August 14, 2019 • 31 mins
This is the Best of The Odd Couple, with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Jonas Knox is filling in to help Rob deliver you the best sports takes of the day! The guys kick things off questioning Baker Mayfield’s recent comments suggesting that people are hoping the Browns have a bad season. Eli Manning’s time in New York seems to be drawing to a close and Rob and Jonas debate whether or not he’ll be the Giants starting QB for the entire season. Finally, the guys wrap things up by discussing rap legend, Jay Z’s recent partnership with the NFL today on The Odd Couple!
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s R. You're listening to the Best of The Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Ron Harker. Here we go
again again. Here's the part. Dude. I love to watch football,
I'm like everybody else, but the made up stories and
the stuff that goes on. You know what I'm talking about, Jonas.
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It's like, it's like I love when they go a
certain player goes, certain quarterback says, we're going to make
a long run into play Oh my god, you really
like you expect to go to the playoffs and make
a run and have a chance to win. I mean,
is that that's the story? It's the story is we
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can't win. I'm look at those roster when a guy
says that, I'm reading that story. I'm afraid that the
NFL is starting to take the NBA's approach to where
they make non story stories. If somebody likes a post
on Instagram. Somebody did this, somebody threw shade it. So
and so what did this emoji mean? It just it
was pathetic, man. And what happened this past NBA season?
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And everybody can talk all they want about Lebron on
the West Coast and Lebron this kiss my ass. The
Golden State Warriors are on the West coast. People were
watching their games the year before. What people were tired of?
They tired of the in the middle of the season.
Where's Kevin Durant going, Where's Kyrie going? Already in the
NFL this year, before the season's even starting, people are
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talking about, hey, is Tom Brady dune after this year? Man?
Look enjoy training camp, can see the goal in And
let's just calm down, everybody. Don't turn into the NBA.
And here's the fake store, the latest story right here. Well,
I just scratch my head. Baker Mayfield is saying, here
we go with the US against the world, and my goodness, great,
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should everybody wants us to lose? That's that's it's exact opposite.
They have, first of all, two of the top five
selling jerseys in the NFL. OBJ is number two behind
Tom Brady and number five is Baker Mayfield. No, then
you got go to Vegas, Go pick them up the
phone and talk to Vegas and see how much money
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has been laid on the Brown stop with this whole
Nobody wants to see us, to see us win. It's
it's exact opposite. There are media people who have lost
their minds. The networks have to The most you could
be on national television is five games for per team.
They were on four times. Yeah, there's a team that
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before last year had won one game in two seasons.
They were on four times on national television. So all
the build up, all the time, we got it. The
roster is very good Jonas, there's no doubt about it.
But there's a rookie head coach. Is it all gonna
come together? Baker only beat one team over five hundred
a year ago. Now that everybody has a target, is
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it the same as when the Browns came to town
last year and people didn't know what to expect. So
so this whole mate notion that people want them to lose,
They haven't want anything for people to want them to lose.
To do people want the Warriors to lose yes, because
they won titles. You can't be you're hated when you
haven't won anything. I don't get it. What have they
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wont It's insane? I love then. Just a little backstory, So,
I have a dear friend of mine and is a
Cleveland Browns fan. Not from Cleveland. He's actually from Malibu,
and he started liking the Browns because they were the
worst team on Madden and so he wanted to play
with the worst team. That's how he became a Browns fan.
So I've been to Browns bars with him. I have
known a bunch of Cleveland Browns fans since then. I
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do a show with Brady Quinn, a former Cleveland brown
and a Cleveland brown fan girl, Brady Quinn have a
cup of copy in the sweet roll with that team. Listen. Now,
they weren't exactly the most high functioning organization at that
point in time, but the point is they are starting
to become a high functioning team. And so when I
say this, I love what they're doing and I love
Baker Mayfield. But this is the straw Man argument. This
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is what has been termed here in the Fox Sports
radio hallways as the fake argument guy. By the great
John Ramos, a technical producer here at FSR. Fake argument
guy is a guy who like opens up a show
or an article or sends a tweet in which he says,
I'm seeing a lot of people say this, and let
me tell no, you're not. Nobody said that. You made
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that up in your head so you could have a
counter to an invented thought or opinion that you didn't
see anywhere else. Baker Mayfield's doing fake argument guy. Nobody
out there wants to see you lose. If anything, people
want to rally around the Cleveland Browns and see them
do something good. They feel bad for their fans. It's
why people were happy when the Red Sox finally won
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a World Series. Finally won a World Series. Nobody is
rooting against you. Stop. You're not the heel in professional wrestling.
You're the baby face. Just embrace it and quit making
stuff up. Stop saying that that that people don't want
you to win, because it's exact opposite. People are all
on board. They looked at this when they got OBJ.
I thought it was all over. Why even play the
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Super Bowl? Right? I mean, let me tell you something.
It seems I didn't even make the playoffs last year
and then they got him going to the Super Bowl
rob less than a year ago. They won a game
and bud Light fridges automatically opened up around the country. Okay,
they were the god let's please hope they win. Let's
please hope they win. People were standing by wanting free
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beer out of some like hocus pocus magic trick to
where these bud Light fridges opened up. They're not a
disliked team. They're a liked team. People like the brand
new Baker Mayfield approach at quarterback. People like this storyline.
They also like Odell Beckham. And to your point, if
you were so hated, why the hell does so many
people want your jerseys? That doesn't make any sense. Crazy
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and you can't hit it's team that hasn't won. I'm
sorry you might. You might be disgusted by their organization
and that they're losers, but but that you're hating them.
They haven't lost, they haven't won. Whereas the Golden State Wars,
they did not turn into the darlings the first time
they won and to the villain, yeah, because they kept
winning and people are I'm so tired of stuff, Curry, Oh,
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I'm so tired of Clay Thompson. Oh I'm so tired
they get They're on television, a national TELEVI every night.
Oh my god, Steff Curry is the greatest shooter, the
best backcourt. I mean, you know, over and over and
over to you to acknowledge. Look, the Red Sox are
a very well are a very disliked team now because
they finally won, and they won. The feuds and the
arrogance has come along with it. The Cubs and a
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big portion of their fan base are very unlikable because
of what happened. Since they won, you no longer feel
bad for him. At least get something done, win a
Super Bowl and then you can have this this this thought.
But to just invent something to get hyped up about,
I just I don't understand how you need that. I
don't understand as a player, or that you have to
come up with something to make you feel like you
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have to play for something. Shouldn't it just be that
we have a talented roster. I'm a guy who's overcome
all kinds of things. Walk on at Texas Tech right,
and went on to win the Heisman, went on to
be the first overall pick. I mean give him credit. Yeah,
I mean, he's not an unbelievable ride so far. Okay,
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the Browns were terrible. They won seven games last year.
And if he were to come out and say, dude,
I love this roster. We got a good young team
or first year coach. This is exciting to be a
part of something that I think we could build. I
would love that. That that's good. If anything, people felt
bad for the Browns. You gotta we talk about Okay,
when when franchises leave cities or when they depart. Okay,
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when the Browns left Cleveland, that was an ugly split
because people they were devastated. That is a legitimate football town.
They love the Browns. They were all about the Cleveland
brown and not only did their team leave, but they
went and then won a Super Bowl. So you're Browns
and go, oh my god, like that was our teams.
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Yeah yeah, yet you're heartbroken. In two weeks later, she's
already pregnant anything, and what the hell happened? We just
broke up? How this way? There's not even mad uped
in my mind, I could barely get a kiss. What
happened here? I don't understand. And the Browns are looking
around and and they're they're terrible, and they're dysfunctional on
all of that stuff, but they finally start to figure
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it out and they finally start to become fun, and
they finally, you know, hire a general manager who knows
what he's doing, and they've got players with personality. They're
not a disliked team. You're only disliked after you've done
something and accomplish something that somebody else can't do. And
the Browns aren't there yet. They're one of those teams
like the Lions, who you know you won't find many
people say, oh, I hate that team because they're more
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harmless than anything else, because you've never seen them be good, right,
the Kitty Cats. How could you hate the Lions? Your
team always has a good chicks. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like,
if you do, I mean, if you're if you're the Bears,
if you're the Vikings, if you're the Packers, in essence,
you I think you get three by weeks a year
with the Lions in vision and I could see if
you like you hate the Packers because they went a lot, right,
I mean, and you've always been respectful of the Lions
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and their quarterback's again, what's okay? We've always seen that act.
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iHeart Radio app. The New York Giants. I don't know
if you heard this, but John Mara has a plan.
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His plan is despite what you see when it comes
to the number six, picked Daniel Jones, our rookie quarterback
out of duke, John Mara wants to see something a
little bit different. It has a great year in Daniel
never sees the field. I mean, I would be in
an ideal world, you'd like to see that, sou But again,
it's um. At the end of the day, it's going
to be a decision by the head coach has to win,
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you know, or if Daniel ends up plan this year.
There's literally zero chance that Daniel Jones doesn't start a
game this season for the New York Giants. Zero chance. Zero.
Couldn't disagree with you more. You think you think Daniel
Jones is gonna sit the entire year? Yeah, I do.
I think the ELI thing in New York doesn't make
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any sense. And so that's why it's hard for people
because Eli has been bad for years. It's not new,
right and Eli. When they wanted to city Eli, what
happened They fired Jerry rees dear general manager and who
was the coach, Ben macadoo. Right, they both of them
got whacked. They both got whacked even though they were
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trying to make a change and say it was time Eli.
Eli will not be removed that way. He'll get the
benefit because he won two Super Bowls for the Giants.
Not only did he win two MVPs, beat the Patriots
twice and included the eighteen and old Patriots who were
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going for a perfect season. Right, Yeah, he will not
be displaced that way. This kid went to the Manning
football camp. He's like a part of the Manning family.
That this is all to massage Elise so that when
they do do it, he feels good about it. I'm
telling you, I do not believe unless unless like there's
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some injury or something like that, that they will use whatever.
Remember here's his built in excuse. Already they already had
a couple of receivers get injured and then Golden Tate
is out for four games. So right, Oh, what was
he throwing to You can't blame him, he didn't have
any receivers. I'm telling you what the story will be.
I do not believe the giants are going to do that.
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They're going to let him go out on his own terms,
and it'll be It might be after the season Jonas.
Don't get me wrong now, but they're not going to
pull him because he should have been pulled already. Well,
I do have good news for you. You're wrong, but
you're wrong for multiple reasons. Okay, okay, So here are
the multiple reasons why you're wrong. Have you talked to
ye when you propose to on a plane? That one?
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I mean the pilot proposed to us. Okay, dude, that
was probably my mistake. That's okay, another wrong of that.
Come on, you want to plane sharing his caring rights
the rules. And then all the women on the play
were like, can I see your ring? You know what?
She was going like this, showing a ring around everybody.
And then they gave us two bottles of champagne as
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we walked off the flight. And then and I heard
that you got the ring back and pond it for
singles to go to Magic City. I wish I could
have gotten it, Okay, but now you are the many
singles I would have got. Whatever thing, it was a
real deal. You're wrong for the far reasons, okay. The
comparison to what happened a couple of years ago with
Ben McAdoo, and that situation is different. The Giants completely
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caved under the pressure of the backlash they got. And
here's what actually happened in that scenario. Eli Manning was told,
all right, you can start the game, but we want
to see Geno Smith at halftime, and Eli Manning turned
him down and said, we'll just sit me the whole game.
He could have kept his consecutive start, and so they
got so much heat and Eli Manning went was sobbing
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and crying at the mic that the public backlash caused
Ben McAdoo and the general manager, who were right to
be fired. Here's here's the other thing, Jonahs, I just
want to squeeze this in. There's no way they made
a decision without the owner's signing off. Okay, So the
owner came back and and did them dirty, because there's
no way that they replaced a two time winning Super
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Bowl quarterback with I'll talking to ownership. So with that
being said, do you think that this regime, and without
having the power to do so, was allowed to draft
a quarterback number six overall if they didn't also have
the power to install that quarterback whenever they're ready they needed,
they needed to get a quarterback. I think that they're
on that. But I'm telling you that not going to
dump him. It's a way. It's the way that it appears,
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is what I'm trying to tell you. It's not that
he's not going to be replaced. He's not. I'll bet
you right here twenty wings in a large diet coke
that he will not be dumped by game seven. Okay,
that's all right, twenty large, twenty large wings, right, Okay,
subtract the die coke and I'll take an ipa. Okay.
And what you say, you say a hundred percent game seven,
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hundred percent. Daniel Jones will be the starting quarterback at
some point this year for the Giants, he said, game same,
But game seven is my prediction. But you're saying not
at all that Daniel Jones is not going to start them, okay.
And and if an injury happens, that doesn't County is
different Okay, injury count I'm talking about and put in
this Daniel Jones. It's happening, man. Look around the look
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around the NFL, look in recent years. Yeah we did.
We heard that, John Mars. John Marr said, I hope
Eli Manning uh plays the entire field. Cool hope in
one hand, take a dump in the other and see
which one fills up first. Eli Manning is going to
get benched at some point this season. That's a fact.
Look around the NFL. We got enough sample size to
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see this whole. Let him sit a year behind a
veteran quarterback doesn't fly. Its special. When you got a
GM and a head coach, you know if they have
another five win season, they might lose their job. So
at least if you're Pat Shermer, you want to show ownership. Look,
I know we were bad again, but did you see
how well this young quarterback played the last part of
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the season. I think we're onto something here, and that's
how you keep a job. There's no chance Danda Jones
doesn't get a start there on the normal circumstances. Yes,
I agree, they will not do like like that because
of what they got the last time. They're gonna let
this guy out. This guy's gonna be in the Hall
of Fame. I know people don't want to believe it,
but he's gonna be a Hall of Fame quarterback because
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he because of what I told you. He didn't just win.
He wasn't just the quarterback on a great defensive team.
He won the MVP in both of those games, and
through signature throws to win both of those Super Bowls. Okay,
I want you to sit and repeat after me. Can
you repeat this? Yes? All right, boneless, just listen to me.
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This is important, all right. You gotta have the bones,
boneless boneless mango hoping narrow mangob with a side of
blue cheese, A side of blue cheese and an ipa
and an ipa. All right. The reason I wanted you
to do that is because you're gonna be saying that
a few months from now after gets benched. Yeah, so
at least we got some practice. Is it's seven games?
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Do I win after seven games at any point this season? Ropsaid?
Any point this season? He says, that is what you bet? Yeah,
at any point this season. Now, I'm saying week seven,
week seven, because Thursday night, if it doesn't happen after
week seven you still feel the same way, and the
Giants to four and three. Yeah, he's getting benched this year.
David Jones is gonna get us. You want to do
it double or nothing worth it happens in week seven?
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You own forty wings and two IPAs. Yeah, No, we're
not doing that. I'm talking about Yeah because he knows that. No,
because if he double and if it doesn't happen in
week seven, do I get my wings? No? It's just
that he got it so right that he gets double.
The doing that, there's no reward for me. What do
I get. I'm believing I'm multi millionaire haggling over wings? Oh,
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this is ridiculous. Chris ain't on today, Rob Parker. He
is Rob Parker. I'm Jonas Knox in for Chris Russorry.
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SR to listen live. But this story in the NFL
very very interesting, and you know a lot of the
brothers man, they are a little sideways over what's happened.
What you say, brothers, what you mean? Uh? Like, what
do you mean by that? African American? Okay, the brothers
know what you meant by that. And you know, whenever
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jay Z's involved, people are all in jay Z about
the people. Until today and now there's some pushback, some
pushback because and here's the thing, Rob G's gonna explain
what happened. I'm gonna tell you why. I think people
are within their right to push back on jay Z
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and this new deal with the NFL. Rob do we go? Well,
that's right. He did have a small media conference with
Roger Goodell to discuss the new partnership and he was
basically asked a bunch of different versions of the same question,
which was basically, how involved was Colin Kaepernick in any
of this agreement? Was he consulted in any way about
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this partnership? And here's what jay Z said. He said, quote,
we forget that Colins whole thing was to bring attention
to social injustice. In that case, this is a success.
This is the next phase. There are two parts of protesting.
You outside and you protest, and then the company or
the individual says I hear you, So what do we
do next, And for me, it's like action, an actionable item.
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What are we going to do with it? Everyone heard,
we hear what you're saying, and everybody knows I agree
with what you're saying in with regards to Colin Kaepernick's message.
So what are we going to do help millions and
millions of people? Or we can get stuck on Colin
out having a job. And then he was also asked
if he had spoke to Colin. He said yes, which
was misreported that he had spoke him about this topic,
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when he clarified later saying that he had spoke to him,
but not specifically about this agreement. Here's the problem, and
I hear what he's talking about with action, But now
you're going to the same people who did the unthinkable
to Colin Kaepernick. That's the problem. I have the same
people who blackballed a man from playing football, took away
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his livelihood because he had the nerve to stand up
for something that's right. That's the problem. And it's always
like they want to pay you off. Here's the money,
here's the check. Can you quiet down now so we
can go ahead and keep doing what we're doing. And
I think that's the part that's being lost letting Roger
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Goodell and the NFL owners off the hook for what
they did. If Colin Kaepernick couldn't play, he should have
had a chance to go out on the field fail
like everybody else, get caught and people can do that.
That's not what happened here. They did not like the message.
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They didn't want to upset the Apple card. There have
been nothing but great people in this country who have
upset the Apple card. When the Brooklyn Dodgers brought in
Jackie Robinson, other team owners said, we won't play the Dodgers.
Branch Ricky, screw you. We don't want a black guy
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in the major leagues. Fans said they wouldn't come. You
know what they did, They changed America because branch Ricky.
And I'm not saying it was all about branch Ricky
in being self righteous and standing the plight of the
black man. Branch Rickey had a team in Brooklyn. He
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saw all these black people walking around and they weren't
going to his game. He said, how can I get
these black people to buy baseball tickets? You know how,
I'm gonna bring one of the best athletes we've ever
seen and he's gonna wear my uniform. Muhammad Ali another
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guy who stood up for what he believed in. He
didn't care about that bottle. You want the medal, he
threw it into the river school in That's the same
man now who was revered and ulytic torch for the
Olympics in this country. That's the guy they vilified, who
they hated, and now here we are getting in bed
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with the same people who did this to Colin Kaepernick.
This is the problem that I have. Just taking people's
money isn't always the answer. Sometimes I'd rather have my
dignity and not two dimes to rub together rather than
take the money from the people who committed. What they
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did was ill. They went against everything that sports is
supposed to be about, which is about equal playing field,
the strongest survived, the best guy gets the job. That's
not what they did here. And you could paint it
anyway you want, and you can keep on. Even the
NFL players took the ninety million dollars check from the NFL.
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This is what they do, and they do nothing but
tell you, oh, this is all about football. We're not
interested in anything but football. Yet they have breast cancer
awareness right, what does that have to do with football?
I want to go to a game. What's all a
pink splash? I understand breast cancer awareness, but what does
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it have to do with football. You know why they
do it. They make money off of it. They sell
the pink garbed. Women buy it. Everybody. That's why that's okay.
They also this is the same league that went to
the state of Arizona when the people of the Commonwealth
Jonas voted not to have the Martin Luther King Holiday.
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And what did the NFL do. They showed up and
they told them the people of Arizona who voted for it.
In this country, if you don't have the Martin Luther
King Holiday, you'll never get another Super Bowl. Is that
football or is that social? It's social when you wanted
to be social. I'm sorry, I can't get with it.
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Stop taking the money from the people doing the bad.
What they did to Colin Kaepernick is unthinkable. He didn't
do anything wrong. You would rather sign a guy who's
abused women, beat up kids, whatever, drug users everything. Those
guys get second chances. When a guy standing up for
the rights of unarmed black men and we're being shot
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and killed, all over his country. He's the enemy. Stop it.
I'm disappointed in Rock Nation in jay Z today to
partner with the NFL. I don't care what anybody says.
Why are they obligated to have to side with Colin Kaepernick?
Why do they need to take up for his fight?
His fight is his fight. They're looking at their own business.
Why why is it their responsibility? What is he doing
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wrong because he's putting together a halftime show? What's what's
the problem? Because he's the same guy who when Colin
was out the league, who refused to perform. But now
he's now he's okay with the NFL. Do you remember that? Yeah?
But I just out the change. But why is this
always going back to Colin Kaepernick? You do you really
think that if Colin Kaepernick wanted to play that a
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team just wouldn't sign him right now? See, I see
here's I don't think Colin Kaepernick wants to play that.
I don't think I think he's done with football. But
I think the longer he stays silent and the longer
he stays away from the game, the more everybody else
speaks for him, and it keeps the narrative going. The
idea that anybody out there thinks that the NFL is
intentionally signing guys and you're saying, screw you, Colin Kaepernick.
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That doesn't make any sense. I believe he was blackballed.
They they they, And that's why I called here's the
other thing, Jonas. Why they settle with him? There was
a court case that went forward if there if there
was no merit, they could have thrown the case out.
There was a court case that that they settled because
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they didn't want the texas and the emails and all
and all their files to be looked at. Why did
he take the settlement because I guess he figured when
talking to illegal people that that this is the best
way rather than going through the whole trial. But but
if you're really adamant about you want your right spot
for and you want to stick up for yourself, and
you're talking about Jay Z taking money from the NFL,
didn't Colin Kaepernick take money from the NFL? And the settlement? Yeah?
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Because he was He was put out of a job unfairly.
And you know what it happens all the time. People
get you ever hear of unlawful termination, you get paid
when they fire you, and it's not us. That's what
he was entitled to. That he was an NFL quarterback
making millions of dollars who was denied a job he
was entitled That was not welfare. They took away his
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livelihood for no reason other than him standing up for
what he believed in. And that's what this country's all about.
It is, well, we lost our way. I find it
really hard to believe that that guy just couldn't get
a job. I think here's and I also think people
forget this. So remember when Kaepernick was brought to Seattle,
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and I remember doing talking about this on my show
and saying, look, Seattle makes a lot of sense to
me because it's a similar offense, mobile quarterback. That fit
made sense to me if you wanted to go be
a backup quarterback. And Kaepernick was brought there and while
he was there having a visit, things were reportedly going well.
Right after that, the Seth Wickersham article came out about
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all the Seahawks not liking Russell Wilson and not getting
along with him. And I said at the time, I said,
all right, I guarantee you Kaepernick will not be signed
by the Seattle Seahawks because they don't want to sign
a guy who all the guys in the locker room love,
right after an article comes out in which they talk
about how all the guys in the locker room don't
love Russell Wilson. So that was terrible timing and bad timing.
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But I think that what also needs to be talked
about here. I think it's more likely that Colin Kaepernick
would love to come back to the NFL, but would
love to come back to the NFL on his terms,
and his terms haven't been available to where teams aren't
willing to pay a guy to be a backup. The
amount of money that he is asking for in the
NFL paid for before. I've never seen any offer or
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anything that he asked for. I mean, that's what people
that's a talking point, but I've never seen that. I've
never seen him say I got to have X amount
of dollars and oh, oh, I won't play. I do believe,
deep in my heart that the only reason he wasn't
allowed to play is because he did something that made
the white fan base in the NFL fell uncomfortable and
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they just don't want to deal with it. In front
and that's it. This is my escape. I don't want
to hear about it. I'm gonna cover my eyes. I'm
here to watch football. You heard it, And what was
the distraction? Oh, they're doing it against the military. It's
about the flag. It was never about that. Yeah, but
that's the distraction. Let me go. Let me make it
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a distraction so that we could get away from what
the real story was and what the real thing. He
never had nothing to do it. And the other thing is,
wasn't it um cadet or marine who told him to
kneel that it would be it wouldn't be as disrespectful
if he knelt down. That's what he followed. Okay, But
also I think that and what to your point when
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you're talking about people, Here's here's where I think we
get lost in all this. Everybody feels strongly about it,
but there's not enough people that are willing to on
both sides, look at both sides and be understanding to
why you feel that way. And it's like, look, maybe
people from a military background who are offended by him take,
you know, sitting down during the anthem. You know, maybe
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they need to do a little bit better job at
looking at why he did it. But I think also
the Kaepernick supporters need to look do a better job
at looking at to why that's offensive to people in
the military. Okay, look, we understand that you come from
and know what's offensive to me is to be an
unarmed black man and get shot down by police are
supposed to protect and serve. You can't ask me for
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my driver's license and shoot me. I will know it.
Can never stand for that. I get it. Get it, kid, Yeah, Okay,
worth fighting for. But at some point football game. But
at some point we come all the way back around
to jay Z partners with the NFL, and I'm hearing
people throw out stuff like he's a sellout. He's a
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sellout because he doesn't agree with your approach to how
he's going to handle and make make things good with
the NFL and trying whenever it is money involved. This
is this is this is going on in our history
for a long time. This is what's done all the time.
How do we shake it up or stop people from
feeling well to write him a check? It happens a lot.
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That's where the term comes out. That's why the term
is used because it has happened in our community, go
go to the loudest black guy in the protests and
pay him, tell him to go home, and he's good,
and then everybody else there's no fight anymore. And I'm
not saying that that's totally where jay Z, but that's
why people are always leery of it, because it's always, well,
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how about some action. NFL is the same way they
went and forth for the Martin Luther King Holiday and
made it and made it happen. Help me with that.
Why did they do that because they knew that there
was because they had a league that was seventy black,
and it didn't make sense going to someplace that wouldn't
even recognize Martin Luther King of all people. Look, I
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just think I think gets a layered conversation that's got
a lot of twists and turns. But I just don't
agree with the approach of jay Z's a sellout because
he partnered with the NFL. I to me, I think
you're starting to label people as something that it just
I don't think that there's a clear cut definition as
to what's happening. And on top of all that, nobody's
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heard from Colin Kaepernick like he hasn't spoken at all
at any point. It's just all vagueness because it keeps
the story going longer
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s R. You're listening to the Best of The Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Ron Harker. Here we go
again again. Here's the part. Dude. I love to watch football,
I'm like everybody else, but the made up stories and
the stuff that goes on. You know what I'm talking about, Jonas.
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It's like, it's like I love when they go a
certain player goes, certain quarterback says, we're going to make
a long run into play Oh my god, you really
like you expect to go to the playoffs and make
a run and have a chance to win. I mean,
is that that's the story? It's the story is we
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can't win. I'm look at those roster when a guy
says that, I'm reading that story. I'm afraid that the
NFL is starting to take the NBA's approach to where
they make non story stories. If somebody likes a post
on Instagram. Somebody did this, somebody threw shade it. So
and so what did this emoji mean? It just it
was pathetic, man. And what happened this past NBA season?
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And everybody can talk all they want about Lebron on
the West Coast and Lebron this kiss my ass. The
Golden State Warriors are on the West coast. People were
watching their games the year before. What people were tired of?
They tired of the in the middle of the season.
Where's Kevin Durant going, Where's Kyrie going? Already in the
NFL this year, before the season's even starting, people are
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talking about, hey, is Tom Brady dune after this year? Man?
Look enjoy training camp, can see the goal in And
let's just calm down, everybody. Don't turn into the NBA.
And here's the fake store, the latest story right here. Well,
I just scratch my head. Baker Mayfield is saying, here
we go with the US against the world, and my goodness, great,
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should everybody wants us to lose? That's that's it's exact opposite.
They have, first of all, two of the top five
selling jerseys in the NFL. OBJ is number two behind
Tom Brady and number five is Baker Mayfield. No, then
you got go to Vegas, Go pick them up the
phone and talk to Vegas and see how much money
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has been laid on the Brown stop with this whole
Nobody wants to see us, to see us win. It's
it's exact opposite. There are media people who have lost
their minds. The networks have to The most you could
be on national television is five games for per team.
They were on four times. Yeah, there's a team that
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before last year had won one game in two seasons.
They were on four times on national television. So all
the build up, all the time, we got it. The
roster is very good Jonas, there's no doubt about it.
But there's a rookie head coach. Is it all gonna
come together? Baker only beat one team over five hundred
a year ago. Now that everybody has a target, is
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it the same as when the Browns came to town
last year and people didn't know what to expect. So
so this whole mate notion that people want them to lose,
They haven't want anything for people to want them to lose.
To do people want the Warriors to lose yes, because
they won titles. You can't be you're hated when you
haven't won anything. I don't get it. What have they
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wont It's insane? I love then. Just a little backstory, So,
I have a dear friend of mine and is a
Cleveland Browns fan. Not from Cleveland. He's actually from Malibu,
and he started liking the Browns because they were the
worst team on Madden and so he wanted to play
with the worst team. That's how he became a Browns fan.
So I've been to Browns bars with him. I have
known a bunch of Cleveland Browns fans since then. I
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do a show with Brady Quinn, a former Cleveland brown
and a Cleveland brown fan girl, Brady Quinn have a
cup of copy in the sweet roll with that team. Listen. Now,
they weren't exactly the most high functioning organization at that
point in time, but the point is they are starting
to become a high functioning team. And so when I
say this, I love what they're doing and I love
Baker Mayfield. But this is the straw Man argument. This
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is what has been termed here in the Fox Sports
radio hallways as the fake argument guy. By the great
John Ramos, a technical producer here at FSR. Fake argument
guy is a guy who like opens up a show
or an article or sends a tweet in which he says,
I'm seeing a lot of people say this, and let
me tell no, you're not. Nobody said that. You made
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that up in your head so you could have a
counter to an invented thought or opinion that you didn't
see anywhere else. Baker Mayfield's doing fake argument guy. Nobody
out there wants to see you lose. If anything, people
want to rally around the Cleveland Browns and see them
do something good. They feel bad for their fans. It's
why people were happy when the Red Sox finally won
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a World Series. Finally won a World Series. Nobody is
rooting against you. Stop. You're not the heel in professional wrestling.
You're the baby face. Just embrace it and quit making
stuff up. Stop saying that that that people don't want
you to win, because it's exact opposite. People are all
on board. They looked at this when they got OBJ.
I thought it was all over. Why even play the
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Super Bowl? Right? I mean, let me tell you something.
It seems I didn't even make the playoffs last year
and then they got him going to the Super Bowl
rob less than a year ago. They won a game
and bud Light fridges automatically opened up around the country. Okay,
they were the god let's please hope they win. Let's
please hope they win. People were standing by wanting free
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beer out of some like hocus pocus magic trick to
where these bud Light fridges opened up. They're not a
disliked team. They're a liked team. People like the brand
new Baker Mayfield approach at quarterback. People like this storyline.
They also like Odell Beckham. And to your point, if
you were so hated, why the hell does so many
people want your jerseys? That doesn't make any sense. Crazy
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and you can't hit it's team that hasn't won. I'm
sorry you might. You might be disgusted by their organization
and that they're losers, but but that you're hating them.
They haven't lost, they haven't won. Whereas the Golden State Wars,
they did not turn into the darlings the first time
they won and to the villain, yeah, because they kept
winning and people are I'm so tired of stuff, Curry, Oh,
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I'm so tired of Clay Thompson. Oh I'm so tired
they get They're on television, a national TELEVI every night.
Oh my god, Steff Curry is the greatest shooter, the
best backcourt. I mean, you know, over and over and
over to you to acknowledge. Look, the Red Sox are
a very well are a very disliked team now because
they finally won, and they won. The feuds and the
arrogance has come along with it. The Cubs and a
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big portion of their fan base are very unlikable because
of what happened. Since they won, you no longer feel
bad for him. At least get something done, win a
Super Bowl and then you can have this this this thought.
But to just invent something to get hyped up about,
I just I don't understand how you need that. I
don't understand as a player, or that you have to
come up with something to make you feel like you
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have to play for something. Shouldn't it just be that
we have a talented roster. I'm a guy who's overcome
all kinds of things. Walk on at Texas Tech right,
and went on to win the Heisman, went on to
be the first overall pick. I mean give him credit. Yeah,
I mean, he's not an unbelievable ride so far. Okay,
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the Browns were terrible. They won seven games last year.
And if he were to come out and say, dude,
I love this roster. We got a good young team
or first year coach. This is exciting to be a
part of something that I think we could build. I
would love that. That that's good. If anything, people felt
bad for the Browns. You gotta we talk about Okay,
when when franchises leave cities or when they depart. Okay,
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when the Browns left Cleveland, that was an ugly split
because people they were devastated. That is a legitimate football town.
They love the Browns. They were all about the Cleveland
brown and not only did their team leave, but they
went and then won a Super Bowl. So you're Browns
and go, oh my god, like that was our teams.
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Yeah yeah, yet you're heartbroken. In two weeks later, she's
already pregnant anything, and what the hell happened? We just
broke up? How this way? There's not even mad uped
in my mind, I could barely get a kiss. What
happened here? I don't understand. And the Browns are looking
around and and they're they're terrible, and they're dysfunctional on
all of that stuff, but they finally start to figure
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it out and they finally start to become fun, and
they finally, you know, hire a general manager who knows
what he's doing, and they've got players with personality. They're
not a disliked team. You're only disliked after you've done
something and accomplish something that somebody else can't do. And
the Browns aren't there yet. They're one of those teams
like the Lions, who you know you won't find many
people say, oh, I hate that team because they're more
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harmless than anything else, because you've never seen them be good, right,
the Kitty Cats. How could you hate the Lions? Your
team always has a good chicks. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like,
if you do, I mean, if you're if you're the Bears,
if you're the Vikings, if you're the Packers, in essence,
you I think you get three by weeks a year
with the Lions in vision and I could see if
you like you hate the Packers because they went a lot, right,
I mean, and you've always been respectful of the Lions
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and their quarterback's again, what's okay? We've always seen that act.
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iHeart Radio app. The New York Giants. I don't know
if you heard this, but John Mara has a plan.
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His plan is despite what you see when it comes
to the number six, picked Daniel Jones, our rookie quarterback
out of duke, John Mara wants to see something a
little bit different. It has a great year in Daniel
never sees the field. I mean, I would be in
an ideal world, you'd like to see that, sou But again,
it's um. At the end of the day, it's going
to be a decision by the head coach has to win,
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you know, or if Daniel ends up plan this year.
There's literally zero chance that Daniel Jones doesn't start a
game this season for the New York Giants. Zero chance. Zero.
Couldn't disagree with you more. You think you think Daniel
Jones is gonna sit the entire year? Yeah, I do.
I think the ELI thing in New York doesn't make
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any sense. And so that's why it's hard for people
because Eli has been bad for years. It's not new,
right and Eli. When they wanted to city Eli, what
happened They fired Jerry rees dear general manager and who
was the coach, Ben macadoo. Right, they both of them
got whacked. They both got whacked even though they were
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trying to make a change and say it was time Eli.
Eli will not be removed that way. He'll get the
benefit because he won two Super Bowls for the Giants.
Not only did he win two MVPs, beat the Patriots
twice and included the eighteen and old Patriots who were
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going for a perfect season. Right, Yeah, he will not
be displaced that way. This kid went to the Manning
football camp. He's like a part of the Manning family.
That this is all to massage Elise so that when
they do do it, he feels good about it. I'm
telling you, I do not believe unless unless like there's
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some injury or something like that, that they will use whatever.
Remember here's his built in excuse. Already they already had
a couple of receivers get injured and then Golden Tate
is out for four games. So right, Oh, what was
he throwing to You can't blame him, he didn't have
any receivers. I'm telling you what the story will be.
I do not believe the giants are going to do that.
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They're going to let him go out on his own terms,
and it'll be It might be after the season Jonas.
Don't get me wrong now, but they're not going to
pull him because he should have been pulled already. Well,
I do have good news for you. You're wrong, but
you're wrong for multiple reasons. Okay, okay, So here are
the multiple reasons why you're wrong. Have you talked to
ye when you propose to on a plane? That one?
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I mean the pilot proposed to us. Okay, dude, that
was probably my mistake. That's okay, another wrong of that.
Come on, you want to plane sharing his caring rights
the rules. And then all the women on the play
were like, can I see your ring? You know what?
She was going like this, showing a ring around everybody.
And then they gave us two bottles of champagne as
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we walked off the flight. And then and I heard
that you got the ring back and pond it for
singles to go to Magic City. I wish I could
have gotten it, Okay, but now you are the many
singles I would have got. Whatever thing, it was a
real deal. You're wrong for the far reasons, okay. The
comparison to what happened a couple of years ago with
Ben McAdoo, and that situation is different. The Giants completely
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caved under the pressure of the backlash they got. And
here's what actually happened in that scenario. Eli Manning was told,
all right, you can start the game, but we want
to see Geno Smith at halftime, and Eli Manning turned
him down and said, we'll just sit me the whole game.
He could have kept his consecutive start, and so they
got so much heat and Eli Manning went was sobbing
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and crying at the mic that the public backlash caused
Ben McAdoo and the general manager, who were right to
be fired. Here's here's the other thing, Jonahs, I just
want to squeeze this in. There's no way they made
a decision without the owner's signing off. Okay, So the
owner came back and and did them dirty, because there's
no way that they replaced a two time winning Super
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Bowl quarterback with I'll talking to ownership. So with that
being said, do you think that this regime, and without
having the power to do so, was allowed to draft
a quarterback number six overall if they didn't also have
the power to install that quarterback whenever they're ready they needed,
they needed to get a quarterback. I think that they're
on that. But I'm telling you that not going to
dump him. It's a way. It's the way that it appears,
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is what I'm trying to tell you. It's not that
he's not going to be replaced. He's not. I'll bet
you right here twenty wings in a large diet coke
that he will not be dumped by game seven. Okay,
that's all right, twenty large, twenty large wings, right, Okay,
subtract the die coke and I'll take an ipa. Okay.
And what you say, you say a hundred percent game seven,
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hundred percent. Daniel Jones will be the starting quarterback at
some point this year for the Giants, he said, game same,
But game seven is my prediction. But you're saying not
at all that Daniel Jones is not going to start them, okay.
And and if an injury happens, that doesn't County is
different Okay, injury count I'm talking about and put in
this Daniel Jones. It's happening, man. Look around the look
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around the NFL, look in recent years. Yeah we did.
We heard that, John Mars. John Marr said, I hope
Eli Manning uh plays the entire field. Cool hope in
one hand, take a dump in the other and see
which one fills up first. Eli Manning is going to
get benched at some point this season. That's a fact.
Look around the NFL. We got enough sample size to
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see this whole. Let him sit a year behind a
veteran quarterback doesn't fly. Its special. When you got a
GM and a head coach, you know if they have
another five win season, they might lose their job. So
at least if you're Pat Shermer, you want to show ownership. Look,
I know we were bad again, but did you see
how well this young quarterback played the last part of
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the season. I think we're onto something here, and that's
how you keep a job. There's no chance Danda Jones
doesn't get a start there on the normal circumstances. Yes,
I agree, they will not do like like that because
of what they got the last time. They're gonna let
this guy out. This guy's gonna be in the Hall
of Fame. I know people don't want to believe it,
but he's gonna be a Hall of Fame quarterback because
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he because of what I told you. He didn't just win.
He wasn't just the quarterback on a great defensive team.
He won the MVP in both of those games, and
through signature throws to win both of those Super Bowls. Okay,
I want you to sit and repeat after me. Can
you repeat this? Yes? All right, boneless, just listen to me.
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This is important, all right. You gotta have the bones,
boneless boneless mango hoping narrow mangob with a side of
blue cheese, A side of blue cheese and an ipa
and an ipa. All right. The reason I wanted you
to do that is because you're gonna be saying that
a few months from now after gets benched. Yeah, so
at least we got some practice. Is it's seven games?
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Do I win after seven games at any point this season? Ropsaid?
Any point this season? He says, that is what you bet? Yeah,
at any point this season. Now, I'm saying week seven,
week seven, because Thursday night, if it doesn't happen after
week seven you still feel the same way, and the
Giants to four and three. Yeah, he's getting benched this year.
David Jones is gonna get us. You want to do
it double or nothing worth it happens in week seven?
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You own forty wings and two IPAs. Yeah, No, we're
not doing that. I'm talking about Yeah because he knows that. No,
because if he double and if it doesn't happen in
week seven, do I get my wings? No? It's just
that he got it so right that he gets double.
The doing that, there's no reward for me. What do
I get. I'm believing I'm multi millionaire haggling over wings? Oh,
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this is ridiculous. Chris ain't on today, Rob Parker. He
is Rob Parker. I'm Jonas Knox in for Chris Russorry.
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SR to listen live. But this story in the NFL
very very interesting, and you know a lot of the
brothers man, they are a little sideways over what's happened.
What you say, brothers, what you mean? Uh? Like, what
do you mean by that? African American? Okay, the brothers
know what you meant by that. And you know, whenever
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jay Z's involved, people are all in jay Z about
the people. Until today and now there's some pushback, some
pushback because and here's the thing, Rob G's gonna explain
what happened. I'm gonna tell you why. I think people
are within their right to push back on jay Z
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and this new deal with the NFL. Rob do we go? Well,
that's right. He did have a small media conference with
Roger Goodell to discuss the new partnership and he was
basically asked a bunch of different versions of the same question,
which was basically, how involved was Colin Kaepernick in any
of this agreement? Was he consulted in any way about
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this partnership? And here's what jay Z said. He said, quote,
we forget that Colins whole thing was to bring attention
to social injustice. In that case, this is a success.
This is the next phase. There are two parts of protesting.
You outside and you protest, and then the company or
the individual says I hear you, So what do we
do next, And for me, it's like action, an actionable item.
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What are we going to do with it? Everyone heard,
we hear what you're saying, and everybody knows I agree
with what you're saying in with regards to Colin Kaepernick's message.
So what are we going to do help millions and
millions of people? Or we can get stuck on Colin
out having a job. And then he was also asked
if he had spoke to Colin. He said yes, which
was misreported that he had spoke him about this topic,
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when he clarified later saying that he had spoke to him,
but not specifically about this agreement. Here's the problem, and
I hear what he's talking about with action, But now
you're going to the same people who did the unthinkable
to Colin Kaepernick. That's the problem. I have the same
people who blackballed a man from playing football, took away
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his livelihood because he had the nerve to stand up
for something that's right. That's the problem. And it's always
like they want to pay you off. Here's the money,
here's the check. Can you quiet down now so we
can go ahead and keep doing what we're doing. And
I think that's the part that's being lost letting Roger
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Goodell and the NFL owners off the hook for what
they did. If Colin Kaepernick couldn't play, he should have
had a chance to go out on the field fail
like everybody else, get caught and people can do that.
That's not what happened here. They did not like the message.
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They didn't want to upset the Apple card. There have
been nothing but great people in this country who have
upset the Apple card. When the Brooklyn Dodgers brought in
Jackie Robinson, other team owners said, we won't play the Dodgers.
Branch Ricky, screw you. We don't want a black guy
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in the major leagues. Fans said they wouldn't come. You
know what they did, They changed America because branch Ricky.
And I'm not saying it was all about branch Ricky
in being self righteous and standing the plight of the
black man. Branch Rickey had a team in Brooklyn. He
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saw all these black people walking around and they weren't
going to his game. He said, how can I get
these black people to buy baseball tickets? You know how,
I'm gonna bring one of the best athletes we've ever
seen and he's gonna wear my uniform. Muhammad Ali another
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guy who stood up for what he believed in. He
didn't care about that bottle. You want the medal, he
threw it into the river school in That's the same
man now who was revered and ulytic torch for the
Olympics in this country. That's the guy they vilified, who
they hated, and now here we are getting in bed
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with the same people who did this to Colin Kaepernick.
This is the problem that I have. Just taking people's
money isn't always the answer. Sometimes I'd rather have my
dignity and not two dimes to rub together rather than
take the money from the people who committed. What they
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did was ill. They went against everything that sports is
supposed to be about, which is about equal playing field,
the strongest survived, the best guy gets the job. That's
not what they did here. And you could paint it
anyway you want, and you can keep on. Even the
NFL players took the ninety million dollars check from the NFL.
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This is what they do, and they do nothing but
tell you, oh, this is all about football. We're not
interested in anything but football. Yet they have breast cancer
awareness right, what does that have to do with football?
I want to go to a game. What's all a
pink splash? I understand breast cancer awareness, but what does
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it have to do with football. You know why they
do it. They make money off of it. They sell
the pink garbed. Women buy it. Everybody. That's why that's okay.
They also this is the same league that went to
the state of Arizona when the people of the Commonwealth
Jonas voted not to have the Martin Luther King Holiday.
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And what did the NFL do. They showed up and
they told them the people of Arizona who voted for it.
In this country, if you don't have the Martin Luther
King Holiday, you'll never get another Super Bowl. Is that
football or is that social? It's social when you wanted
to be social. I'm sorry, I can't get with it.
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Stop taking the money from the people doing the bad.
What they did to Colin Kaepernick is unthinkable. He didn't
do anything wrong. You would rather sign a guy who's
abused women, beat up kids, whatever, drug users everything. Those
guys get second chances. When a guy standing up for
the rights of unarmed black men and we're being shot
(23:59):
and killed, all over his country. He's the enemy. Stop it.
I'm disappointed in Rock Nation in jay Z today to
partner with the NFL. I don't care what anybody says.
Why are they obligated to have to side with Colin Kaepernick?
Why do they need to take up for his fight?
His fight is his fight. They're looking at their own business.
Why why is it their responsibility? What is he doing
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wrong because he's putting together a halftime show? What's what's
the problem? Because he's the same guy who when Colin
was out the league, who refused to perform. But now
he's now he's okay with the NFL. Do you remember that? Yeah?
But I just out the change. But why is this
always going back to Colin Kaepernick? You do you really
think that if Colin Kaepernick wanted to play that a
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team just wouldn't sign him right now? See, I see
here's I don't think Colin Kaepernick wants to play that.
I don't think I think he's done with football. But
I think the longer he stays silent and the longer
he stays away from the game, the more everybody else
speaks for him, and it keeps the narrative going. The
idea that anybody out there thinks that the NFL is
intentionally signing guys and you're saying, screw you, Colin Kaepernick.
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That doesn't make any sense. I believe he was blackballed.
They they they, And that's why I called here's the
other thing, Jonas. Why they settle with him? There was
a court case that went forward if there if there
was no merit, they could have thrown the case out.
There was a court case that that they settled because
(25:26):
they didn't want the texas and the emails and all
and all their files to be looked at. Why did
he take the settlement because I guess he figured when
talking to illegal people that that this is the best
way rather than going through the whole trial. But but
if you're really adamant about you want your right spot
for and you want to stick up for yourself, and
you're talking about Jay Z taking money from the NFL,
didn't Colin Kaepernick take money from the NFL? And the settlement? Yeah?
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Because he was He was put out of a job unfairly.
And you know what it happens all the time. People
get you ever hear of unlawful termination, you get paid
when they fire you, and it's not us. That's what
he was entitled to. That he was an NFL quarterback
making millions of dollars who was denied a job he
was entitled That was not welfare. They took away his
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livelihood for no reason other than him standing up for
what he believed in. And that's what this country's all about.
It is, well, we lost our way. I find it
really hard to believe that that guy just couldn't get
a job. I think here's and I also think people
forget this. So remember when Kaepernick was brought to Seattle,
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and I remember doing talking about this on my show
and saying, look, Seattle makes a lot of sense to
me because it's a similar offense, mobile quarterback. That fit
made sense to me if you wanted to go be
a backup quarterback. And Kaepernick was brought there and while
he was there having a visit, things were reportedly going well.
Right after that, the Seth Wickersham article came out about
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all the Seahawks not liking Russell Wilson and not getting
along with him. And I said at the time, I said,
all right, I guarantee you Kaepernick will not be signed
by the Seattle Seahawks because they don't want to sign
a guy who all the guys in the locker room love,
right after an article comes out in which they talk
about how all the guys in the locker room don't
love Russell Wilson. So that was terrible timing and bad timing.
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But I think that what also needs to be talked
about here. I think it's more likely that Colin Kaepernick
would love to come back to the NFL, but would
love to come back to the NFL on his terms,
and his terms haven't been available to where teams aren't
willing to pay a guy to be a backup. The
amount of money that he is asking for in the
NFL paid for before. I've never seen any offer or
(27:40):
anything that he asked for. I mean, that's what people
that's a talking point, but I've never seen that. I've
never seen him say I got to have X amount
of dollars and oh, oh, I won't play. I do believe,
deep in my heart that the only reason he wasn't
allowed to play is because he did something that made
the white fan base in the NFL fell uncomfortable and
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they just don't want to deal with it. In front
and that's it. This is my escape. I don't want
to hear about it. I'm gonna cover my eyes. I'm
here to watch football. You heard it, And what was
the distraction? Oh, they're doing it against the military. It's
about the flag. It was never about that. Yeah, but
that's the distraction. Let me go. Let me make it
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a distraction so that we could get away from what
the real story was and what the real thing. He
never had nothing to do it. And the other thing is,
wasn't it um cadet or marine who told him to
kneel that it would be it wouldn't be as disrespectful
if he knelt down. That's what he followed. Okay, But
also I think that and what to your point when
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you're talking about people, Here's here's where I think we
get lost in all this. Everybody feels strongly about it,
but there's not enough people that are willing to on
both sides, look at both sides and be understanding to
why you feel that way. And it's like, look, maybe
people from a military background who are offended by him take,
you know, sitting down during the anthem. You know, maybe
(29:07):
they need to do a little bit better job at
looking at why he did it. But I think also
the Kaepernick supporters need to look do a better job
at looking at to why that's offensive to people in
the military. Okay, look, we understand that you come from
and know what's offensive to me is to be an
unarmed black man and get shot down by police are
supposed to protect and serve. You can't ask me for
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my driver's license and shoot me. I will know it.
Can never stand for that. I get it. Get it, kid, Yeah, Okay,
worth fighting for. But at some point football game. But
at some point we come all the way back around
to jay Z partners with the NFL, and I'm hearing
people throw out stuff like he's a sellout. He's a
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sellout because he doesn't agree with your approach to how
he's going to handle and make make things good with
the NFL and trying whenever it is money involved. This
is this is this is going on in our history
for a long time. This is what's done all the time.
How do we shake it up or stop people from
feeling well to write him a check? It happens a lot.
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That's where the term comes out. That's why the term
is used because it has happened in our community, go
go to the loudest black guy in the protests and
pay him, tell him to go home, and he's good,
and then everybody else there's no fight anymore. And I'm
not saying that that's totally where jay Z, but that's
why people are always leery of it, because it's always, well,
(30:34):
how about some action. NFL is the same way they
went and forth for the Martin Luther King Holiday and
made it and made it happen. Help me with that.
Why did they do that because they knew that there
was because they had a league that was seventy black,
and it didn't make sense going to someplace that wouldn't
even recognize Martin Luther King of all people. Look, I
(30:59):
just think I think gets a layered conversation that's got
a lot of twists and turns. But I just don't
agree with the approach of jay Z's a sellout because
he partnered with the NFL. I to me, I think
you're starting to label people as something that it just
I don't think that there's a clear cut definition as
to what's happening. And on top of all that, nobody's
(31:19):
heard from Colin Kaepernick like he hasn't spoken at all
at any point. It's just all vagueness because it keeps
the story going longer
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