Tom Brady Might be the LOAT, but he's Still the GOAT

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We've got a great show for you today. So much
to talk about. I mean, of course, Ezekiel Elliott and
Jerry Jones are still going at it. Of course, Baker
Mayfield and Daniel Jones they talked today. They they kissed
and made up, so to speak, so we'll get into that.

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Antonio Brown still making news, and Tom Brady and Philip
Rivers in the news today, so we're gonna get into
that as well. Got some great guests too, starting with
Merrill Hodge, the former NFL running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
He'll be joining us at the bottom of this hour,

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and he's got a book that I really want to read,
Rob g If you can get that sent to us,
I want to check that out. If not, I'm just
gonna go buy it myself. But it's called Brainwashed, The
Bad Science Behind CTE and the Plot to Destroy Football.
It came out last year in October of twenty eighteen,

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and his basic premises that as the title says the
science about CTE is not legitimate and all of the
hype about CTE is overblown. So I hope he's right
as a football fan, but obviously I'm skeptical because most

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of the news that we hear is that there's a
real problem in football with head trauma and ct So
should be a great conversation with Merrill Hodge. Okay, let
me introduce the I Couple crew before I get into it.
We of course have the producer, the super producer, Rob g.
We've got our man Brian Finley with the updates, and

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then we are blessed with the presence of DJ Alex
ty shirt in on a worship Wednesday. Usually he's now
doing the herd. He has uh moving on up. As
we would say, I'm glad to have you back, man.
I'm all good, brother, I'm all good. It's too long, man,

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way too long. That's why I'm excited to have you here.
All right, So let's get right into it. Of all
the stories we mentioned, the one I really want to
deal with first, he's Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers, great quarterback,
probably a Hall of Fame quarterback, despite his lack of

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Super Bowls and maybe that lends to why he made
this comment, but basically, he said in a recent interview
with Dan Patrick that Tom Brady should not be considered
the goat just because he has six Super Bowl rings.
And here it is right here. I remember thinking when

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the Patriots beat the Seahawks, when the Seahawks, when they
had the interception against the Seahawks down there all fourth
and one, and that gave them what their fifth championship, right,
I think, you know, everybody said, oh, he's now the
greatest of all time. I always thought he was already
one of the greatest of all time. But because they
intercepted the past, Yeah, now the greatest of all time.
What if the Seahawks. What if the Seahawks were running
in and the Seahawks would have won, Brady just played

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the exact same game he had not He didn't do
anything different, you know, but it is it is funny
how that works. So I don't I don't look at that.
That's why I always think moreto's right there in the
next turn. Now, as I said, I'm just gonna keep
it one hundred. In fact, I'm gonna keep it one
hundred and fifty. If I were a great quarterback like
Philip Rivers, but hadn't won any Super Bowls. I would

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take that approach as well. I would be like, this
is a team sport. In fact, it's the ultimate team sport.
You can't judge these guys on super Bowls. Damn Marino's
the greatest we've ever seen fling it and he didn't
win a Super Bowl, but I still think he's the
goat that elevates my position. Just like if I'm Lebron James,

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I'm gonna downplay the number of finals losses. How that
Jerry West, he's mister Clutch, He's the logo. He lost
his first seven trips to the finals. It elevates my
position and decreases the criticism I might receive for losing
five finals or, in Philip Rivers case, for never reaching

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the Super Bowl. All right, so I get where he's
coming from, and obviously there is some legitimacy to what
he's saying. Dan Marino was one of the greatest of
all time. Aaron Rodgers is one of the greatest of
all time with just one Super Bowl. Philip Rivers is
probably a Hall of Famer. Philip Rivers is better than

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Eli Manning and man, he has two super Bowl championships.
But here's the thing. When you start talking about Tom
Brady and whether or not he's the goal, and my
contention is that he is indeed the goal. He is
the greatest quarterback of all time. Now don't get me

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the greatest football player of all time, because he's not
the greatest football player of all time. But he is
the greatest quarterback period. He's got the championships, and he's
got the individual accolades. And here's where and I began
thinking that Brady might be the goat because early in

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his career, even though he had won super Bowls two
thousand and one, two thousand and three, two thousand and four,
but that's three super Bowls in his first four years
as a starter. Okay, so that was great. But at
that point I never considered him in the goat conversation.
I didn't look at him as a guy that in

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the future might be in the goat conversation. But oh,
when two thousand and seven rolled along and he finally
got a top flight receiver named Randy Moss, and then
he obliterated the record books. He led the NFL in

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completion percentage sixty nine in yardage forty eight hundred and
six yards, touchdowns, fifty in yards for game, three hundred
in passer rating one seventeen. And of course they win
sixteen and old during the regular season. Now, they didn't

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cap it off by winning the Super Bowl. They lost
to the Giants and Eli Manning. But when I saw
Brady with a real legitimate receiver, when I saw him
get a Jerry Rice like Joe Montana had and he
just tore it up, That's when I said, oh, this

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dude is one of the greatest ever and may end
up being the goat. And then he follows up the
Moss era, if you will, with three other Super Bowls.
Now he's got six. He's the goat. And here's the thing, folks,

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I would say it to Philip Rivers and any Rob
Parker and any of the other naysayers out there. Tom Brady.
Here are his leading receivers throughout his career without Randy Moss,
Troy Brown, Dion Branch, David Gibbons, David Patton. Richee calledwell,

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those guys have one Pro Bowl appearance between them or
among them. He's won three Super Bowls with that cast.
I mean, come on, then, you're throwing Wes Welker, then
you're throwing Julian Edelman, who was a quarterback at Kent's

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State in college. And then of course he got Gronk,
but they won a super Bowl without Gronk. So this
is why Brady's the goal. Of of course, the winning
and the intangibles that have led to the winning the
six Super Bowls, the nine Super Bowl appearances, but the
fact that he has done it with such a pedestrian

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at best receiving corps and then when he did finally
get a blue chip talent on the outside, he went
ballistic statistically. That is why he is the goat. That's
why it's not just the six super Bowl rings. It's
the same thing with Michael Jordan. When you say Michael

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Jordan's better than Lebron James, the millennials want to say, oh,
it's just the rings. No, it's not just the rings.
That's a part of it. But Jordan dominated individually in
the way Lebron didn't. Jordan does many things better than
Lebron did, free throw, shooting, post up game. I think
he's a better finisher. I think he fits in in

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a team system better than Lebron which makes it easier
for his teammates to play around him. He didn't dominate
the ball like Lebron. There's more to it, but the
Championships is a part of it. So, Philip Rivers, I
get where you're coming from. I understand it. If I
were in your shoes, I'd say the same thing. But

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the fact that the matter is Tom Brady is the goat.
The six rings are a part of the deal, but
not the only part of the deal. I know you
got some haters out there. I know Rob is it
with the technical difficulties. It's texting all his friends in
Detroit and whatnot, saying call in. I need representation. Chris

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is way off base. You gotta hate you gotta represent
the hit boot. I need a cole shower. And then
I know some of you got my back because I'm
coming with facts, not fiction. I'm coming with logic not lies.
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Brady is the goat. Regardless of what Philip Rivers says.
There's much proof beyond the six championships. But you can't
ignore that because the quarterback being the leader, the quarterback

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providing the intangibles, the quarterback doing it without a tremendous
cast of position players around him. If skilled players around him,
all that conspires to make Brady the go. But what
do you think eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox
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You're turning the way in rob g help us out
with these cars. That's right, Chris, let's get it started
with Jabril in Atlanta. What do you gotta say today? Yeah? Right,
Tom Brady not to go. Every time he won the championship,
he had a top seven or better defense, and he
got the ben defensive coaches in NFL history. That's all

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I get you. You're right, he's got a great defense,
and Terry Brash I hit the steal curtain when he
won his Super Bowls. I mean, you need a great defense,
no question. But what about the role players around him
on the offensive end at the skilled positions? He a
role player in the skilled position. I'll stop it. What
role players throng for fifty touchdowns or the equivalent in

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any league? Okay? But what role player about the average
thirty points a game? That's the equivalent. You're right, he
put off a lot of touchdowns. Put the play design
that they give him or designed for short, quick guarantee plays.
He don't don't Drew Brees or most of those quarterbacks

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today now because Drew Brees will take you down now
he would take you down field. Yeah, but he does
and does that because he doesn't really have a deep threat.
Ever thought about that. When he had a deep threat,
he he went deep with Randy Moss opinion, Who if

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it's not Brady, who is it? Damn damn Marino. He
was great, He's great, but you you got the fact
being a little better than Brady too, big Benning, Big Ben,
Next caller, Go ahead, Rogers, I think we got Chris,

(15:44):
little agitator. Let's go with Ben. Let's go with Mike
in New York. Mike, what's up? What's happening? Man? How
are you? You're listening to you? Man? Yesterday he was terrible. Yeo,
it's great to be back, man. And and I'm glad
you you called us. Appreciate it. But I think the
whole Philip Rivers thing is a classic case of perfect message,

(16:08):
wrong messager. Now hearing me out, Chris, and I heard
you say some of the I heard the message, and
you're leaving a lot of Pro Bowl players out even
a home of philand running back who he played with,
and Corey Dillons, which we seem to forget, and those
great defenses. But he also played with Bringo Cooks who
had four straight thousand yard receiving years before he played

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with him, Brandon Lloyd or Landez who walk into the
guy you needs. I'm just saying it's hard to put
him as the goat with Joe Montana bendideed it. Did
you hear those names I rattled off? David Gibbons. Have
you ever even heard of David Gibbons? Chay Carwell, who's
known for the few drop passes he's had in the playoffs.

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But Chris, what about Corey Dillons? What about Alan and Nandez?
What about the great? Get in the Hall of fame.
They're talking about the University of Washington Hall of Fame. No,
the guy is top ten all time of Russ rusting
yards all time. That didn't be in the Hall of fame.
Riss is he is he in the Hall of Fame?

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No played three seasons. Hold On, he played three seasons
in his thirties with the Now he was great. He
was great in on four sixteen hundred yards. He was great.
I'll give you that, and that that's not gonna make
me take it away from Brady because Roger, I mean,

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Joe Montana had Roger Craig, Terry Brashall had Frank o'harris.
You know, John Elway had Terrell Davis. Like he's not
the first one to have a great running back, but
it's not like he had deal in his entire career.
Deal he had one of his seven or eight one
thousand yards seasons with the Patriots. So I'm two and oh,

(18:02):
I see y'all coming at me. You better text Rob
back and say, Bruce Ars taking us down? Who's next?
Rob Hire? We got Max and Georgia ready to jump
in with Chris Busar, Max, Chris Man. Long time I
gotta step in for Rob not being there. I just
want to rattle off some things and hear what you
got to say. Being in the AFC least, that's like

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six guaranteed wins a year. I know it doesn't always happen,
but it's pretty much guaranteed. The other thing I struggled
with putting the labeled goat on anybody, whether it's Tom
Brady or anybody with scandals, whether they be accurate or not,
with the flat gate, spygate, the tuck rule. Not to
mention the fact that a lot of those Super Bowls
were won by a three point field goal margin. They

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had arguably the best field goal kicker of all time,
certainly maybe the best coach of all time, you know,
by Gate and stuff like that aside. I just I
struggled with giving him all the credit. I feel like
Tom Brady these days. It's sort of like the Lebron
James in some ways that if it goes great, it's
all for Tom. If it doesn't, all it was Bill
Belichick or all. They had a poor defense role. They

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don't have receivers. I just struggle with giving him that title.
Is he a great quarterback without a doubt? Is he
one of the great? Sure certainly he could be. But
I just struggle with giving him the goat title. Man,
I really do not to mention what Matt Castle, Jimmy Garoppolo,
like other guys have stepped in and gotten ten plus
wins a year. So help me out, Chris, Matt Castle.

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Matt Castle, not Jimmy Garoppolo. And we see Jimmy G's
gonna be interesting to watch this year. But I give
you Matt Castle, but that was one season. Belichick, I
do think he's the greatest coach in NFL history. But
Rob g correct me if I'm wrong. And his seven
years of coaching without Brady two playoff appearances. Check that,

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correct me if I'm wrong. But seven years without Brady
two playoff appearances, obviously with Brady nine Super Bowl appearances,
six championships. I think the best argument you made is
the scandal. I'll give you that. That's a hard one
to answer. And I look deflate Gate. Do I think
it's the worst thing in the world. No, I mean,

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and they proved it obviously since then, especially right right
after the whole situation. They weren't playing with deflated balls,
and he still went on a wrecked shop. So I
don't think it was a huge deal. But it is
a scandal. And I do think having played football that
softened the ball a little less deflated ball, inflated ball,

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it will help you as a running back hold onto
the ball easier, not fumble as much, catch the ball easier.
So that is a tough one to get over. I
watched the Super Bowl with my wife last year, just
her and I chilling watching the game, and she couldn't
believe I was pulling for Tom Brady because she said
he's a cheater. So that's the best argument. I still

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think he can override it, but that is a tough
one anymore, rob Gi. Yeah, we got for one more. Chris.
Let's get to Manny in Texas. Manny, what's happening, Hey, Chris,
first time caller. I'm about to be a long time listener. Now,
I've always hated Tom Brady. Man. You always see the
Patriots in the freaking Super Bowl and I'm just like,

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you know this guy, how did he do it? And
then you mentioned the receivers that he played with, and
I was like, Dawn, I mean, I don't know any
of those dudes, like maybe Dion Branch and you know
him because he was in the Super Bowl, but he
never made the Pro Bowl. Yeah yeah, so I you

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just blew my mind. I'm like, uh, yeah, he has
to be. He's one of he is one of the
greatest of all time. Um, he's go ahead and say
it the greatest you want? You know you do. I
can tell you're dying to say it. What's hold you back?

(21:58):
He's the great repeat after me. He go ahead. Tom
Brady is the greatest of all time. Mom's gonna he's
done it. I mean maybe the last Gronk. Maybe he
like helped him out a little bit. Yeah, but they
win it with him round, don't forget that. Yeah exactly.

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And also, um, somebody said something about their offense how
they run it like a short game and stuff like that.
So it should be short game and the defense should
be stopping these like short little passes like these guys
shouldn't be going off for they dump it off for
three to five yards and then they go off for
like eighty five yards for a touchdowns, Like come on,
I'm with you, many great call. Look, I'm a I'm

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a lot like Manny. I'm not some super Tom Brady fan.
I mean, he trust me. I'm not a New England
Patriots fans. I do like seeing history. So I am
at the point now where I like seeing Tom Brady
win it because I mean six Super Bowls? What if
he gets seven? I like seeing history. But now I'm
also looking at Pat Mahomes and saying, oh, this boy

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can make some history too. So I'm not this super
Brady fan. But like I said back, in oh seven,
when I saw what he did with Randy Moss after
having all these non descript receivers, That's when it clicked
in my mind. This guy might be the greatest of
all time. And I think what he's gone on to
do since then has sealed it, at least in my mind.
All Right, former NFL running back Merril Hodge wants you

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to forget everything you heard about CTE and concussions. I
cannot wait to get into this discussion with Merrill Hodgs,
my former colleague at the Old Network. He will tell
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seven Auto. The only hard part is figuring out which
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I am so excited to talk with our next guests.
He is an NFL analyst and author, was a very
good running back in his career with the Pittsburgh Steelers
and Chicago Bears, and he's now the author came out

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last year, but the author of a book Brainwash, the
bad Science behind CTE and the Plot to Destroy Football.
It's in stores now, another other than Merrill Hodge Merrill,
what's happening, man? Rob? Did the hear you brother washing
her voice? Chris the hey man, It's great to have
you on. I always liked working with you back at

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the old network, man. So I'm very excited today. And uh,
I want to get to the book quickly. But since
you played with Pittsburgh, I do want to I ask
you this one question before we get there, and I
know Rob wants to get to the book too. Antonio Brown.
I think the Steelers are better this year without Antonio Brown,

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just because of the distractions he brings, even though he's
a great talent. What's your take on the situation in
Pittsburgh without a B Well, I'm gonna tell you this
that the teams win championships. You know, everybody will go
all defense wins championships, and that is actually not true
because no Super Bowl that's ever been won the defense

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has played the entire game, So that can't happen. There's
three thirds to a team offense, defense, and special teams,
and all are critical and all must come together to
play and make a good football team. Do you need
dynamic players, you know, to win a Super Bowl? I've
all kind of believed you need like five difference makers,
you know, across on both all in all phases of

(25:51):
the game. That being said, those five guys have to
be team guys. You know, they have to be committed
to the team and they got to be there when
things get tough, and Antonio Brown just never did that.
I mean, they makes fectacular plays. Is the fact is
he is the best wide receiver as far as getting
separation and being able to get himself open and double coverage.

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There is nobody as good as Antonio Brown. But that's
just one phase of an offense. You know, no matter
how much you get it to Antonio Brown let's say
you can catch is it obviously a big day. Well,
oftentimes you average seventy two snaps a game, So when
you look at there's sixty two sixty three other plays
that have to happen that he's irrelevant. So when you

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look at the phase of your offense, sure to dynamic
a portion of it. But when you look at the
Steeler offense, the one thing that they have always been
really good at and they want to continue to be
good at, is to be able to have three levels,
three ways to attack in the packing game, you know,
obviously vertically intermediately and then a shorter passing game. And

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they have people like that in place, now are they
Antonio Brown? No, But Antonio Brown, we didn't know about
Duntonian Brown, you know when he first started to come
on the scene. And keep mind, the Steelers let a
couple of good wide receivers go because they knew what
they had no doubt. And the Steelers really feel good,
you know, and a lot of the guys that they
have there as far as being able to be productive

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and create all the phases that you need in order
to win a championship. And I just I have a
better sense of that team as being a team than
they have been in the last three or four years,
and therefore I think he might give them a much
better chance to be I have a much more successful year.
I find it hard to believe that they're going to
be better without him or Leveon Bell. But that's just me.

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They didn't even make the playoffs last year without Leveon
Bell playing. But everybody, everybody seems to think that the
Steelers had a successful season, which I don't get because
they didn't make the playoffs. But that's for another thing.
Let's talk about the book. Chris, Yeah, Brainwashed, the bass
signs behind ct in the plot to destroy football Errol.

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You have every right, I mean every reason when we
look at your career to believe in CTE. You know
your career ended the ninety four because the post concussion syndrome.
One of your teammates, a great Steeler, Mike Webster, when
it all time grades he died, of course, in two
thousand and two they found out he has CTE. But

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you don't buy it. So tell me you know why
you wrote this book, and really what the premise of
the entire book is. Well, I'll answer all those I
want to clean up one thing. My career was ended
because of improper care to a concussion. A concussion didn't
end Actually improper care really ended my career. And that
always gets confusing to people and they miss interpret that

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and they misunderstand that. But it's very important with what
I'm about to say. Here's why I wrote the book.
First of all, I didn't go out trying to write
a book. I just wanted to get the answers. I
wanted to find out what CT really was, is football
really causing it? What is the scientific facts? So Chris,
I went to as many neuropathologists as I could, independently

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and individually, without them knowing I went anywhere else. I
was just searching for answers, and I'd ask them the
same thing. Explain CT to me. Every one of them
would start out with this, Mary, we are in an
observation state. We don't know what causes it, and we

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don't know what it causes. And now I said, I
come out. I see on the news, I hear I
read in the paper, I hear it all the time
that football causes this. And they're like, there could be
nothing further from the truth. There is no scientific evidence
of it and how it's caused. We have people who
have never played sports that have it, never had a concussion,

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who have it, never had a history ahead charuma, and
have it. We've found the pattern in three month old
We've found it in three year olds. We have one
hundred cases in the medical journal that have the pattern
and haven't been been involved in sports. And I was like, no,
wait a minute, why don't we hear about that then?
So I was directed to go to read my first

(30:09):
scientific literature. And this is true in my journey before
I wrote the book. After I've written the book, I
have never found anybody from a journalistic perspective who's written
on this, talked on this, that has ever read a
piece of scientific literature. Now, the reason I say that
that is mind boggling that the media can present something

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and they didn't even do their due diligence to verify
the facts. And here's what I mean. First paper that
I was instructed to read by these ner pithologists, go
read the paper The Spectrum of Disease that Anne McKee
authored from Boston University. The two things that struck me
when I read it was one of the conclusions and

(30:53):
what it said in the scientific paper, I'm gonna read
them to you. It reads, caution must be used in
interpreting the high frequency of CTE in this sample, talking
about the methodology and the way they went about it
because they use two different types of testing, which is
a corrupt right there. Red flags should fly in any
science department. If you're going to do that, I think
you're going to call up with an answer. It then

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says estimates of prevalence cannot be concluded or implied for
the sample to the public. Then it goes on to say, consequently, no,
no generalization regarding the incidence and prevalence of CTE in
living athletes and veterans can be made. That's the scientific paper.

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It says, you cannot use this. It's basically so insufficient.
Don't you dare use it? And McKee gets quoted in
the media about that paper that I just read and
she authored, and what does she say when she's asked
about it. I'm wondering, this is what she says, and
I quote, I'm wondering if on some level every single

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football player doesn't have this. Now she signed a hippocratic goal.
There cannot be anything more abusive or criminal to say
something of that magnitude. Now that's not just that's just
one example. I sound dozens. Every time you read a
scientific piece of literature that they authored, meaning Boston University,

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then you heard them talk about it. They were lying
and they absolutely contradicted what the science said. I'll go
back to what every nerpathologist that I have met said. Now,
CTE is a pattern, don't get me wrong. It is
a tow pattern, but it's in an observation state. It
may be irrelevant. In fact, there are a lot of people, nerpathologists,

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great minds in this world that won't even claim it
a disease. They're like, we're not far enough to give
it any type of title of disease. We have no
idea cause. So I'm gonna tell you this trip. That's
what's stimulated. I'm like, when you look at this narrow
to you, I see medical people talking about symptoms of
ct there's no such thing. So Mary, let me just so,

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so this is my problem. Who who is what's the
plot to destroy football? Give me give me the people
who are trying to destroy football with this um that
that's what I would need to do. So because your
book says a plot who are the people who set
out to put this false narrative, false story. You've had

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great players like Brett Farve, who played who said he
wouldn't even let his kid if he had a boy
ever played football, by the way he feels after playing
football in his career. But just tell me who whose
plot is this? Who? Why are there plots? Yeah? Who
is it? And who who? And why are they doing this? Well,
let's let's start with where I just started, Boston University. Okay,

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then you can go the concussion legacy, and then you
go faceing the CT Are you guys out in California?
Where you guys face Yeah? Now California? Okay? In La Okay,
So let's let's use your state for example. Okay, Um,
legislation was I mean they squash legislation and actually the
California Alliance group there just created some legislation to give

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standards and how you practice, how you play. It's very similar.
I sit on the board. I'm very similar to what
I did in two thousand and three when I started
coaching football, and I implemented it in nineteen ninety one
when I was coaching in camps. But let's go back
before that most policies put into place, we got left.
So okay, all the people that I just mentioned have

(34:42):
created legislation to band tackle football. Now, keep in mind,
concussions happen everywhere they're trying to band tackle football. Well,
concussions happen in boxing, and that's actually part of the uh.
The job in boxing is the target ahead. Boxing is
not a part of it. Soccer is not a part
of it. Lacrosse is not a part of it. They

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targeted football. And there's no scientific evidence that if our
kids play tackle football, contact sports period, are gonna have
any issues later. Like there's yeo evidence to that there's
more value than our kids are playing sports than harm
for our kids to play sports, especially in the environment
that exist today. All marrowed great food for thought. We

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got to get them back on. Yeh is a fascinating scause.
I hope you're right. I mean, I I just don't.
But we can and dated with the negative data, you know, Yeah,
and ahead, I'm gonna leave. I'll leave you with this.
There's not a thing that I just told you I
cannot prove. And if anybody wants to go on the

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contrary to that, ask them to prove it. Bring the
scientific literature and bring the facts to the table. I'll
meet anybody, any I would love to come with meet
Master University in a public forum and talk about this.
They won't show up. You set that up. Me and
doctor Cummings will show up. And I promise you, I
promise you. And mcke ain't gonna show up. I'll bet you.

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I bet you have. Some former football players would show up.
We bring former football players because former football players are
probably more uninformed than any one person that I have
talked to, and all of most of them are not accountable.
Instead of looking at their lifestyle, they're blaming a game
that they played when there's no scientic evidence, but there
is scientific evidence to lifestyle. Marrowhides with some great food

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for thought. Man, we will get him back on. I'm
fascinated with this book. So all right, Odell Beckham Junior
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It's obviously the hottest thing out there right now. Rob
and Baker Mayfield never seems to be far from a controversy.
He's back in the news and not for his play.
But there was a recent article in GQ magazine on him,
and here's one of the things he was quoted as saying,

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I cannot believe the Giants took Daniel Jones. Blows my mind.
Some people overthink it. That's where people go wrong. They
forget you gotta win. Now, a little context there. Daniel
Jones was seventeen and nineteen at Duke, So that's where
you gotta win, you know. Kind of quote comes from

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one thing I'll say about this is Baker's wrong about that,
and that there are players who didn't win in college
who have won in the NFL most notably right now
at least Patrick Mahones thirteen and sixteen at Texas Tech,
and yet had a great year last year and won
plenty of games. Got to the a FC Championship Game

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with the Kansas City Chiefs and John Eilway most notable
of all time fifteen and eighteen at Stanford. Two Super
Bowls with the Denver Broncos. Ye, you're just being nice
to him because the whole thing is just out of line.
There's no reason that he needs to be worried about
what the Giants did and naming another player. It just

(42:21):
Chris is disrespectful. Well do you do you buy did
you hear his apology? Well he apologized or not he
trying to clarify yesterday he tried to blame the always
to blame the messenger. It's not out of context. Read
the quote. What's out of context? Let's hear you he
couldn't believe that. How was that out of context? Let's

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hear what he robbed you? Do we have the audio
of what he said today? Rob g Yeah, we got
to hear him. Chris Baker Mayfield like the news conversation.
I probably said that this is the one and only
time I'll addressed this issue because you know, uh, the
interview was done back in April and right out to
the drafting. Just things taken out of context. And that's

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the problem with today's day and age. You know, you
you don't read the whole thing, You don't put two
and two together, You just kind of read scripts and
then uh, people, you know, they combine sentences from different conversations,
and so it seemed very disrespectful and I can understand that.
But what people didn't realize it's the conversation entailed of
me saying that I was surprised that I was drafted
number one overall two and then me going on a

(43:24):
rant after that about QB evaluation and then me frustration
from recruiting processes and stuff that I've had that I've
you know, it's very well documented my thoughts on a
lot of that, and so um it had nothing to
do with specifically about Daniel about the winning and stuff.
Total bs chriss. Once again, people gotta walk back stuff

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because they say stuff and when it when it shows
up in print, and Chris, you know, this being an ESPN,
the magazine writer and being a New York Times reporter.
God say stuff, and when it's in print, right, it
sh think, oh my god. After everybody pushes back, they say, no,
that's out of context. Read the quote. It's unbelievable that

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they drafted them that. You know, how was that out
of contexts Yeah, I gotta admit that. That's hard to
He mentioned something about and I'm not accusing this writer
doing anything of the sorts. This seems to be becoming
the fad, as you said, Rob, because David Griffin, what
was it two weeks ago, he did the same thing
with Sports Illustrated Lebron James story. But he Daniel or

(44:32):
Baker Mayfield kind of said, you string different comments together.
You take, you know, a quote from here and quote
from there and put together. I'm not gonna accuse this
writer doing that. But to your point, Rob, it's hard.
How else can you take the Giants took? I cannot
believe the Giants took Daniel Jones blows my mind? How

(44:54):
was that out of context? Right? It's hard to find
the context's crystal that's crystal clear criticism. I don't know
what the question could have been or what the context
is other than you're dissing Daniel Jones, just like everybody
else see Chris Draft day? Am I right? Everybody? Who

(45:16):
is this guy that they picked? Why don't they take Haskins?
We are all of that stuff. I mean, that's what
people said. He shouldn't be saying it because he plays
in the league. Why is he dissing another player. That's
okay if you're an analyst, or you're a reporter, or
your opinion is Chris, you know what I'm saying. But
why is he saying that? Why is he being quoted

(45:38):
ripping a fellow NFL quarterback? It doesn't make any sense.
I don't know why he would think that it would
be cool until he saw it in print and then
all of a sudden. People are always walking stuff back.
I'm so tired of blaming blaming the media, that's what
they do. I am with you. The only thing I'll

(45:58):
say that when make you this is weird, That's the
only thing. Again, I'm with you. I just don't know
what other way you can take. I can't believe they
drafted Daniel Jones blows my mind, you know. But the
fact that Baker Mayfield called Jones today and apologize, so
to speak, and they talked it out. That is different

(46:22):
from Mayfield, and Mayfield alluded to it today. He said, Look,
I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but if I got beef with somebody,
I've got beef with him. I've proven that I'm not
afraid to say speak my mind about people. We can
bring Hugh Jackson, his former coach, to mind, who he
called fake and even recently he criticized Texas quarterback Sam Erlinger.

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So I will give Mayfield that like for him to
apologize to Daniel Jones, that fits what he's saying. Again,
I don't know how in the world that could be
taken out of context, but that if he really had
a problem with Daniel Jones, I don't think he'd run
from it. No, but but but my only issue is

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he's just ripping on a guy that he has no
connection with, do you know what I mean, Chris. That's
the problem. That's why he called. If it was no
big deal and this was just Baker Mayfield being Baker Mayfield,
he wouldn't have to call. He would say. Sticking by
what I said, I don't think that kid's any good
or but but he knows he's wrong to do that,

(47:29):
and he knows that. The organization said, dude, what are
you doing. You can't do that, Chris, even if you
believe it, you shouldn't go out and just rip somebody
who you have no connection with him. The Giants have
nothing to do with the Browns. Why are you doing that? Well,
I said it today. I'm co hosting First Things First

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all week with Chris Canny and Chris Carter and Sarah Coustock,
and we talked about it today and I said, look,
the fact is this the last quote, the last sentence
of the quote I read from Baker Mayfield, they forgot you.
Gotta win. Baker Mayfield gotta win. He is. He is

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saying so many things, He's putting such a target on
his back that the only way he can overcome this
rob is to win. Right. He is right? And look
if he wins, if they make the playoffs this year,
he's an MVP candidate, plays well, blah blah blah blah blah,
then this will become part of his lore. Like people

(48:34):
will love Baker Mayfield. Someone hate him, but a lot
of people, most people, I'd say, will love him because
of his brashness. Oh, he's breaking the mold. He says
what he wants, he speaks his mind. He's like Joe
Nameth with the guarantee. He's like Jim McMahon on on.
You know, McMahon wasn't an individual great player, but he's
like Jim McMahon, who was conventional led to eighty five,

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bears to the title like this will become part of
his lord. He's this great, unconventional leader. But if he
doesn't win, he is going to be blasted. You know what.
I think the more he talks and the more he does,
he becomes a guy you root against, a guy that

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you don't want to do well. That's where he's coming across.
Because just to attack another player unprovoked, Daniel Jones didn't
do anything to you. Do you know what I mean, Chris, Seriously,
I could I could see where where some fans go.
I can't stand this, dude. You they might not even
be a Daniel Jones fan. That's not even the issue.

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It's like, dude, you won one game against one team
over five hundred and you're walking around. I get what
he did in college. I respect him as a quarterback.
I'm not saying he's a bum but you know you'll
get those Those are people you root against and it's
just bad karma and you gotta be careful about that.
I think that's why the Browns made him apologize from

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the standpoint Chris that they just said, dude, it doesn't
help you at all. It makes other people want to
go hard at you. It makes an opponent, uh, Chris,
who has a chance to pull up when they bring
you down right and not drive their shoulder all the
way into you. Do you see what I'm saying, Like
I got you, and I could just put you down

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or I could drill you into the ground right. Well,
you got to believe that the Giants serious. I don't
even played the Giants this year, but the Giants players
will be giving put a little extra on those hits,
don't you think? I'm question? And I do agree. Look
in Cleveland they will obviously they'll love it, right, but
outside of Cleveland, and I'm not like, I'm the type

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that if he backs it up, then I kind of
be cool with it because I'm like, you know, it's fun.
You're right, most people will be like I'm until it
because like, look if if for you years from now,
he's still winning and they become this he becomes this
great quarterback and they're winning. I do think many people

(51:07):
will just love him. But initially, like this year, if
they start out and two and three and Cleveland, people
are gonna be pulling against him. There's no doubt about it. Yeah,
I think so. Yeah, I'm with you on that. But
what do you think? Do you think that they are
Baker and the Browns will live up to the hype

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And I mean some of the hype is just way overdrawn,
but I think they're gonna be a wild card playoff team.
I'm not convinced. I'm saying if I had to make
a pick right here, right now, not knowing what injuries
and other things, I'm gonna say, No, it's just a
lot of stuff, especially with the first year head coach Chris.
I think that that a lot of people have kind
of put that out of the realm. Everybody's not a

(51:50):
head coach, you know what. There's a lot of great
offensive and defensive coordinators and people think they're gonna make
great head coaches and bomb out and they and they
just are good at at one thing, or you know
what I mean, or being able to direct half a team,
but not the whole team. And so I'm not convinced

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about Kitchens. And I just don't know where ob J's
head is even him and his comments about he's still
talking about the Giant. He's still talking about the Giants.
They sent me to Cleveland to die. And I think, Baker,
what did Baker say that. Baker thinks, no, no, no,
OBJ said they sent me here today. They sent him

(52:31):
to a minor league team or to another NFL team.
I mean, I'm with you. Look, Rob, they took the
best deal they could get. You know, they send him
out of the conference, out of the division. But here's
my thing, and your most teams do that. As much
as I like the Browns, there's question marks. But when
you're the Giants, if they were trying to send him

(52:53):
somewhere to die, they saw and you're right, they only
beat one playoff team, you know with Baker. But still
this rook he steps in, they win seven games after
winning won the last two years. They see the other weapons,
they see the other talent. If anything, I mean, you
can make the argument they did him a favor, I
mean football wise, like he's in a great situation. So

(53:15):
I agree they're both and that's the question. Is this
team mature enough to kind of live up to its
ability on paper and especially what happens early on as
far as if Obj's not getting the ball right and
Land is getting you know, like you just I know
they played together in college and they love each other

(53:36):
and their buddies and all that. But you know how
it is, Chris, when when receivers aren't getting the ball
and now happy about it, how does that play? How
about if they start out oh and two, oh and
three and Obj's not getting the football? Really does he
start talking about Baker? Right? Oh? You know, like I
didn't come here. I didn't come to Cleveland not to

(53:56):
catch the football. I can hear the quotes already. I
didn't for this, right, all right, you'll turn away. In
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All right, Chris, let's start with John and Orlando. You're
on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What you
got John? The Joy Show is always and I agree
with everything you're saying. However, it's it's better to be
hated than irrelevant, and the Cleveland Browns have been in purgatory.
I saw Christmassard talking about the Cleveland brown If I'm

(55:26):
a Cleveland Brown fan, which I'm not. I'm a Buccaneer fan.
We never get national exposure, so I would love to
be even talked about on the nationally that if I'm
a Brown fan, I love it. I understand what y'all
are coming from. But they've been irrelevant. They've been off
of the scene. No one has cared about them, point
blank period. Two years ago, Rob Parky, you were making

(55:50):
chunks about it. They were, they were a byeline. So
what I'm saying is, if I'm a Brown fan, I'd
rather have this than the irrelevancy. All right, John, I
would be with that, right. I don't I would agree
on with that. I don't, but I just think that
it's bad. Ultimately you want to ultimately right because you
gotta win, and if you don't win, then people will
take you to task. But I get it. Nobody was

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talking about the problems. Uh, Tim in Ohio, you're in
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What you got
telling great? I was just gonna say this right here.
I kind of watched them a little bit last year.
They're kind of like, my heart kind of goes out
for a little bit because they had some bad seasons
and everything. But I think I think they finally got
some management in there that's gonna try to do something.

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He put the some young players that want to win.
They haven't had that in a long time. And then
you're bringing in the bedroom with Beckham. I think they can.
I think they can make that work. Because he wanted
to get a ring. He ain't gonna get one in
New York. So mother will come down here and play
with some young players, kind of relive it. It's a
little bit and you know, I take you to work
and I know they got a little bit of depth. Um,

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I don't know about Tim what do you what do
you know about Kitchens? Though? Do you he you know
he's gonna be a head coach and be able to
put it all together or you don't know? Well, but
from last here's kind of hard to take because they
field goal kicking game kind of killed him a little bit.
They didn't have a field goal kicker. But I'm saying
far as some of the decisions that I've seen him,
some of the playing cars, they were like, you know,

(57:16):
they were like with everybody else since running. You know,
you got that guy with Indianapolis just to be a quarterback.
Look at the coach. He turned them around a little bit.
People's gonna respect him and listen to him, I think,
and if he can get them to follow, you know,
follow him and believe in him. I think they can
get it done. Okay, thanks to him. Appreciate the call.

(57:38):
Everybody's high on them. I know in Ohio. He's probably
from Cleveland. Sean and North Carolina, you're in the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Sean and gentlemen,
good evening, Great talking to you both. Thank you man.
So I think they're pretty The Browns are pretty comparable
to the twenty eleven Eagles, so they had a lot
of height behind him with Michael Vick's McCollum. I think

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the only thing the Eagles they had had a better
defensive squad, better than the Browns have right now. So
I think they're probably gonna finish maybe eight and eight
missed the playoffs. Um, I think it's better to probably talk,
you know, softly, and carry a big stick like the
old thing goes. Think they're they're biting off more than
they're gonna be able to cheat. To see and Sean

(58:23):
will be a big disappointment. Sean, and I'm I think
you're spot on. I really do, because I think you
got the difference between last year, Chris and this year
is They're not surprising anybody when you have Olddell Beckham
junior on your team. Seriously, nobody's sleeping on the Cleveland
Browns when they come to town. Okay, now, no question. Yeah,

(58:46):
so they better be ready to play. It ain't like
last year when nobody really knew Baker Mayfield blah blah
blah blah, and they won some game, only won one
game in the two previous seasons. This is a whole
new ball game. They are the Hunt and they got
a tough division too, right. I mean, the Steelers and

(59:06):
the Ravens made the playoffs a year ago, and think
both of those teams are gonna be legit. So one
of these three isn't making the playoffs. There you go,
So we'll see which one it is. All right, Alvin
in Dallas, you're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, Alvin? What's up? What's happening? Man? First, I'm

(59:27):
not mad or disappointed in bigger comments, but I am
disappointed that he backed down. And Rob did you hear
Freddy Kitchen town By saying said it? I know, but
that you know, I actually liked what Kitchen said. But
but we said, look they're trying to beat us anyway,
but we're trying to be But Alvin's point is, right,

(59:48):
Chris like Baker, and this is Baker being Baker, then
he shouldn't have backed down from the quotes. It tells
you that the franchise got to have him. Do you
know what I'm saying, Well, that's that's a good question.
And we got Joe Banner, former NFL executive, coming on
and worked with the Browns. I do want to ask
him that because you're right, Rob like it, that it

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doesn't make sense they must put him up to it
or I mean again, I'm not going to criticize the writer,
but it is not in his person to go ahead
and back to walk it back. Right, He walked it
back and he doesn't do that normally. So that's why
I think that the team got to him. What about
is that the Cooley? Is that Cooley in California or

(01:00:32):
Coley Coley? I'm sorry, Coley in California, And I want
to know that the Wait a minute, is that the
Uncoli or the Coley? I'm sorry that the real col homie.
I have no idea what that means, right, the Uncola
or cola. You know cola. It's uncola, not uncoli. But
that's not close enough for me to sorry or anybody.

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Go ahead, Coley, yeah, Rob okay, either one of you
guys actually read the GQ article the whole thing. Noxy.
He's not walking back anything. He's pointing out the stuff
they left out in the quote. He said about himself
that he was surprised his shot that he was number
one himself. He no, no, no, what does it read?

(01:01:17):
How does it read in the story. How does it
come if you without knowing what Baker said afterwards, when
you read the story, what did you get from that quote?
I got the quote that he was surprised that he
was taken. He was also surprised that Gania was taken.
That's what I got it from it, because when I
heard the quote, I wouldn't found an article to read it.

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If that's the way society he is now, it's no, no, no,
So to wait a minute, So you're saying that when
you read it, you didn't think anything of it. But
he had to call Daniel Jones. Come on, man, you
know he had a call because guys back here didn't
even read the article, and he said, no, I heard
the quote. I heard. I don't need to read the
whole thing. I heard the quote. He said it was unbelievable,

(01:02:01):
but that he was drafted first. He didn't meet it
in a positive way. Everybody trish that draft pick. Come on, man,
be honest with you with yourself. Everybody tries that draft
pick by the Giants. Everybody all right. A former NFL
executive says the NFL preseason is on the verge of extinction.

(01:02:22):
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which way is easier. Rob I'm with you on the
questions about Freddie Kitchens, but I do like the way
he handled he was asked, you know, are the Browns

(01:03:03):
putting a bull's eye on their chest with all the talk.
And I look, obviously guys, as you said, fans, but
players as well might not be happy with what all
these guys are saying, particularly Baker Mayfield, Right, But I,
like Kitchen said, Look, they're trying to destroy us. I'm paraphrasing,

(01:03:24):
they're trying to destroy us. They're trying to kick our
butts anyway, And if they're not trying to get our
butts and we're not trying to kick their butts, something's wrong. Yeah.
You know, I don't think you're adding to it. You
just gotta back it up. Yeah, I don't know. I
just think it's a lot of extra stuff. All Right,
we're gonna bring in a former NFL front office executive.

(01:03:45):
He worked with the Eagles, the Browns as well. It's
Joe Banner. Joe, Welcome to the Eye Couple. What's happening?
Joe is great to have you on and you you
have been tweeting up a storm lately. And one thing
you said is with the players sitting out the preseason
as much as they are the star players and the starters,

(01:04:07):
that you wouldn't don't be surprised if the preseason is
eliminated altogether. Now we've heard them cutting into three to
two games, but eliminated, is that really a possibility. No,
I don't really think it's going to be eliminated, But
I do think you're going to see this will be
that'll be the last or next off year unless some
preseason is what we know it to be. So my

(01:04:29):
expectations will be a couple of games that will still
take place when all this is said and done, but
that will look radically different, and the teams will have
permission to do things like we see these teams practicing
against each other and other such things to get prepared
and evaluate the teams. But the preseason is we know
it is. It's last leg. See the only differences. And

(01:04:51):
people say, well, you know college football, they don't have
a preseason. They don't play any preseason game that they
start the season, but the first three or four games
of the year against the scrub teams, so that it
is a preseason for the most Well, I'm talking about
the powers. Would you disagree with that? No, not at all.
And I think it's so crazy to think we don't
need to prepare them. In the NFL game is significantly

(01:05:14):
more complicated, and obviously we have more restrictions on the
practices and kind of the off season than we've everhead,
So there is a need for a preseason. I don't
think it involves four games. I don't think it involves,
you know, five plus weeks of practice. He did a
fifth game for the teams to play in the Hall
of Fame game. I think that there are ways to
get ready and have a team and the quality of

(01:05:35):
a play that we'd like to see in the NFL
from week one, but with an interpretively different system that
we have, it really intiquated. I mean, the reasoning behind
this is he just lifted itself a long time ago,
and it's time for a change. And I think we're
finally right on the door of it happening. Joe, with
the changes in practices, the lack of hitting compared to
past years, and the fact that the starters aren't playing

(01:05:57):
much preseason ball at all. Do you think early in
the year we're seeing really low quality, you know, relatively speaking,
low quality NFL football. Well, I do think we'll see
some more mistakes. And I think that's always been true,
it may be a little bit more true now. I mean,
teams that are well coached are much better in October

(01:06:18):
than they were in September and so on through the season.
So I do think we'll see a little bit more
exaggerated the kind of version of that. But I still
think we're going to see very high quality play. You know,
we may see a few rookies that are actually very
good players that don't look so good early. We may
see some teams with Additionally, you know, issues in the
huddle are getting off side penalties and stuff like that,

(01:06:40):
But I don't think it's going to dramatically change the game.
And frankly, you know, everybody's in the same boat. So
I think the better teams, better coach teams are going
to be able to overcome that better than the teams
that aren't well coached. Will be the first week we
get on the coaches and the new coaches and kind
of how they're doing is how quickly they can come
out of the box and be read in spite of

(01:07:01):
these changes. What did you make of the optics of
jay Z and Roger Goodell Rubbin l Bowls and then
the TMZ story about you know, jay Z's going to
get a significant minority ownership in a team What do
you make of that? Do you when you first saw

(01:07:23):
that story, what do you think? Well, first, I'll be
surprised if he ends up with a large minority position.
I'm with you, it's frankly not a great role. And
I'm not hearing anything out there that I think I
would if such a thing is actually in the works.
You know, I have been a very strong vocal supporter

(01:07:45):
of what Colin Kaepernick did in terms of bringing and
using his platform to bring attention to legitimate and significant
issues in our society. I do think though, that the
agenda that he verbalized at the time and has this
book in much stins is as a point in time
when we need to be comfortable with shifting from calling

(01:08:07):
attention to the issue to actually doing more things about it.
And I think at this point it's it's a time
as I watch some of the things that Malcolm Jenkins
and some of the other players have led in partnership
with the league, as I see what jay z Is
appears to be doing, we don't know enough details to

(01:08:28):
say with conviction, you know, I actually think this is
the right outgrowth and should be something to calling is
actually pleased about and taking credit for it now. I
understand he's kind of left behind, but it's not uncommon
for somebody to break new ground, do something dramatic and compelling,
take some personal risk, and pay some personal price. But

(01:08:51):
I don't think it would be right to kind of
stop the movement from calling attention to something to taking
action about it. Now, jay Z is gonna have to
prove that that's really what's going to happen. And I
understand the skepticism because we don't know what in details,
but in a general philosophical sensors, somebody's been very supportive
of cons actions. I think moving from calling attention to
to trying to be better, you know, we're at the

(01:09:14):
time with that's the right move. We are joined by
former NFL Front Office executive Joe Banner. Now, Joe, what
do you make of what's going on in Oakland? We
saw Mike Mayott come out and very strong. A lot
of people called it an ultimatum, whether you agree with
that or not. Even pretty about Antonio Brown and now

(01:09:36):
John Gruden saying everything's good, he's all in, We're set,
We're gonna be ready. Do you think this is gonna
be an ongoing story throughout the season where it's just
one distraction after another with a b or do you
think they can see things run smoothly there? Well, you know,
I think it's a good chance. As the end of
the story with him coming and going from camp and

(01:10:00):
all the conversation the degree of conversations taken place about
the helmets. But I worked with John Groom for four years.
John loves great players, but he also has an incredibly
low tolerance for distractions and players that he views as
not you know, focused on the team and helping facilitate
the team be the best it can be. So I'm

(01:10:20):
not sure how much of it will be public, but
there's no way we've seen the last of the kind
of challenges and the you know, maybe he's a phenomenal player,
but he's also a high maintenance guy. That's not making
him the worst guy in the world, but it's just
true and John has really low tolerance for that kind
of stuff. So whether it's visible or public or not,

(01:10:41):
there's no doubt in mind mind we haven't seen the
last of or or it isn't going to be the
last of things happening that kind of are unsettling and
frustrating to John and even might maybe a little lesser degree.
Hey hey, Joe, won't you have about a minute to go?
What do you make of the Browns? I mean, it
seems as if Baker Mayfield they wanted him to walk
that back. He tried to blame the writer, but the

(01:11:04):
quote basically ripping Daniel Jones that he couldn't believe that
he was drafted that high or whatever. I don't know
how that could be out of context if you read
that quote. But do you think the organization told him that? Dude?
You just why would you do that and put that
out there like that? And you should walk it back?

(01:11:25):
Do you think they made him walk it back. I
don't think that they're going to do that. I think
that they probably wish he hadn't said it, and at
the same time, they don't really want to stifle him
being who he is. I think it's clear that he
shouldn't have said it. If it's a reflection of accurate
reflection of what he said, I think he deserves criticism

(01:11:47):
for it. I I'm just you know, maybe this is
my bias from being in management, that the front office
players commenting on other players. It's kind of like we
had this with Jalen Ramsay last year it kind of
unsettled things. Right now, we got it with a Baker.
I don't understand what the upside of that is. Thank you.
I don't get it. I don't get it. He's not
on your team. They had nothing to do with you.

(01:12:11):
There's a plenty of things he can be outspoken about.
It doesn't have to be about other players in the
league who are trying to make their way and trying
to be successful. I just, I just, I never it's
not just that. I mean, I lived through it with
Donna mcnabato without even taking sides on. It's just You's
just no need. You know, if you get something to
say about a player and it's on your team, to

(01:12:31):
it privately. If it's not on your team, just keep
your mouth shut. I don't see the need or the benefit.
Joe in thirty seconds, can you tell us can a
team win with a quarterback like that? We know, we
always hear the quarterback needs to be composed and cool
and you know, not have these types of controversies. Do
you think a team can win big with a quarterback
like this personality wise? You know, I actually do? I mean,

(01:12:56):
I don't think it's the best way to go. I
don't think it's the easiest path to win. You know,
we've had guys like Jim McMahon. You know, we've had
Sonny Jergenson, even in a different way. I mean, we've
we've had flamboyant, outspoken quarterbacks. I think the organizations would
prefer that they didn't do that. There's certainly a risk

(01:13:18):
if the leadership amongst the other players and the coaches
is as strong enough for it to be disruptive. I
certainly wouldn't make a rule saying that teams that have
quarterbacks like that aren't going to be successful. I think
Bank is going to be successful. I think the Browns
are gonna win. But it's a lot easy to do
without this this stuff going on. Joe, excellent stuff now,

(01:13:39):
Thank you, appreciate and we definitely will get you on
again in the future. Sounds good, easy, guys, Thank you
all right. He's Jerrell Owens two point oh. Rob Parker
and that might not be a good thing. Will explain
next as The Odd Couple of Fox Sports Radio. Be
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came out, not a huge story, but from a quality
reporter we both know, Mike Freeman. I worked with him
at the New York Times. Now he's with Bleacher Report

(01:14:45):
the NFL a long time and worked for all the
great newspapers in that country. He worked for the Boston Globe,
he worked for the Washington Post, he worked for the
New York Times. He's one of the best reporters out there. Yep.
And he wrote a story saying that Antonio Brown, like
Terrell Owens, could see his off the field antics, and

(01:15:07):
we know with to was out of perception as well,
but he could see his off the field antics keep
him either out of the hall of Fame altogether or
most yeah, most likely. He seemed to say he could
delay it, and we saw it with to who clearly
should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer on production,

(01:15:28):
was a third ballot Hall of Famer. What is your
take on that. I don't think it thinks these numbers
are so I mean the numbers he put up Chris,
and you look on his career like he has six
straight years of what is it, a hundred receptions, thousand
yards right or whatever? Right, and like Jerry rights, everybody

(01:15:51):
considers the goat and one of the greatest all time players.
Jerry only did it three times. He's done it six times,
Chris six times in the role. I mean, you can't
deny that he is a great football player. And any
Hall of Fame that would deny putting them in would
be questionable at best. It would it just wouldn't be

(01:16:12):
able to because it's not just a character or if
you don't like somebody because of their personality and maybe
they have some some some things you don't like. I'm
not saying it might not delay some people from doing it,
but to say that he wouldn't make the Hall of
Fame giving the numbers that he's put up already. I

(01:16:33):
can't see that. Yeah, he has to get in, and
I agree with you he will, but it could be delayed.
I mean, we could say the same thing about Terrell Owens,
like how in the world can you keep him out
of the Hall of Fame. I'm with you, and they
did until the third Vallet you know how some some
writers are, and so I do think it could hinder

(01:16:54):
him in that regard. But he'll get in eventually. But
I think his off the field anti are becoming a
huge part of his legacy. Yeah, because he's got three
that I feel are unprecedented. One was a Facebook live
a playoff game, your Facebook live in your coach's speech.
I haven't seen that in any sport. Maybe I missed

(01:17:15):
one in you know, hockey or basketball, so I don't
think so. I haven't seen that in any sport. The
frost bitten feet. Now, I hear Chris Carter was saying
today maybe that he's talked to some people close to
this that they're going to sue. It really wasn't AB's fault.
We'll find out, but right now the perception is that

(01:17:37):
that was just he just had a brain fart if
you will and didn't go ahead and protect his feet.
And then the helmet issue. And I have no problem
with the grievances because, as you said, that's just right.
But even with thes, you still can be at practice,
can be working with a different helmet just in case

(01:17:59):
you don't get the one you want. So I think
that his off the field antics are beginning to be
a huge part of his legacy, right along with his
great play until you finally get him to see see
him play football, Chris. And if he goes out and
balls out and Raiders are better than they were a

(01:18:20):
year ago, then I think that talk will change because
there are no games, that's all you can talk about.
So once they are games and he plays well, I
think we'll hear less of that. Well. I think they're
gonna be better, but I think they win maybe six games.
You know, like I too. If he continues to make distracts,

(01:18:42):
I don't think it's gonna be good enough to outweigh
you know, all all the great production he's gonna give
great production. As you said, all right, it's the eye couple,
Christ and Robb one hour left, keep it locked. Be
Chris Broussard and Parker week days at seven pm Eastern,
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(01:19:08):
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(01:19:32):
I believe, yeah. We he ended up looking like a
piece of charcoal by the time we're done with and
I think he's in for the same treatment today. But
stay tune for that. That's in less than thirty minutes.
At the bottom of the hour, Rob, let's get to
Jerry Jones and Ezekiel Elliott. I'll recap quickly kind of
what's happened the last few days. Tony Potler plays well

(01:19:54):
in the preseason game. Five carries forty two yards, a
nifty fifteen yard fourteen yard touchdown run, broke a few tackles,
look good afterwards, Jerry Jones jokes about Ezekiel elied. He's asked,
you know how Pollard might have impact Zeke's play? Whatever
he says, Zeke cool, okay, right, trying to be cute. Right.

(01:20:17):
Comes out that Zeke and his agent are not pleased.
They are upset. They felt like it was disrespectful. Now
Jerry Jones has to fire back, and here's what he said.
I've earned the right with Zeke to joke, period. Right,
I've earned that. So have you got any conversations since

(01:20:38):
then at all? No, let me be real clear about it.
I've earned that right to joke. He was, he was
very serious. He was very serious. How did he earn it?
I think he's earned it now. I get I talked
about it. You know, when we talked about Zeke. I
get Zeke's being sensitive. I mean, he's in a very
tough situation. And no matter how confident you may appear,

(01:21:01):
uh you're in Cabo, it feels like it looks like, oh,
everything's cool. He's not sweating it at all. You gotta
be sweating it. You don't have your money, you don't
my team, you don't, you don't have your money. You're
getting fined every day you missed training camp. It's not
this is your livelihood, right, It's not playing ball in
the backyard, right. So so I get Zeke being upset

(01:21:23):
about it, but I do think Jerry Jones has earned
the right to joke. And I say he's earned it
right because he is stuck by Ezekiel Elliott. It's not
just like Zeke's been this great player and no issues
off the field. Jerry has stuck by Zeke with all

(01:21:44):
his off the field transgressions, you know, from the domestic
violence accusations to you know, pulling down the woman's blouse
in public, to Las Vegas. So you know he's he's
backed him up, and I think that's part of it.
And also Jerry has a history, whether it was Michael

(01:22:07):
Irvin and all the travails he went through and other players,
He's been there for his guys. And you know this
rob basically to a man, these players that formerly played
for Jerry Jones, they swear by him and they think
he's a really good owner for the players. And that's

(01:22:28):
where so I think his treatment of Zeke being there
for Zeke and also for other players, I think that's
why he's earned it. I don't want to overstate it
like he's you know, just this great, you know, awesome person.
And you know, I'm not saying all that, but I
do think he's shown these guys like I got your back.

(01:22:49):
You've said it before. He took on other owners, It
took on the league. For Ezekiel Elliott. No, he tried.
He basically tried to cool. He did try, And so
that's that's what I mean. And again I think to joke,
not to just straight up be mean spirit and things
like that, but to joke, I do think he's earning that, right.
I just I just look at it as and I

(01:23:11):
could see where Ezekiel Elliott you could call him sensitive,
whatever you want to call him, but he knows he's
the missing piece for the Cowboys that if they're gonna
have that success Chris, that they're looking for, that Jerry's
looking for. And if that's really your dude, and you
really want them to feel good about himself, why are
you joking at his expense? He's the missing piece. He's

(01:23:34):
the piece you gotta get you if you want dak
to be able to do what he needs to do.
And Amari Cooper and you know what, I mean. So
that's the part that if Chris, if I'm your boy,
I don't expect you to be making jokes at my
expense because me and you are a team, we work together,
and you're holding out on your contract at Fox Sports Radio.

(01:23:58):
I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't deman when act like Chris,
who exactly that? I right though? And then I could say, Oh, Chris,
I'm just I'm just choking. I I'm just joking. But
do you see what I'm saying where you wouldn't be
Would you be happy with that if I'm not. Now, Look,
obviously you and I go at it. We joke, we've

(01:24:18):
heard all right with each other, but I'm talking about
it in the hold out situation, but yeah, hold out
is tough security of Yeah, That's the only thing I'm
saying is I could see where that would make me
feel a little like, is this dude really in my
corner or he's only in my corner when it's when

(01:24:39):
it's good for him. Do you see what I'm saying? Like, Yeah, yeah,
you went to bat for me because you were trying
to win football games and you need to win another
Super Bowl to solidify your career. So you know you
needed me and now because the games don't matter yet, Chris, Right,
these are all games that don't matter. Now you're you're

(01:24:59):
Joe King and acting like you don't need me and
you forgot who I am. So I could just see
where it could be. Not the end of the world.
I'm not trying to make it like that, Chris, but
where Ezekiel Ellett could be Like, man, that's kind of foul,
Like why are you doing me like that? Yeah? I
think the stuff Jerry's been saying recently, and you saw
it with Jalen Smith when he signed him the linebacker yesterday.

(01:25:22):
The comments Jerry made, you know, he's a team guy
and he's never missed anything, and there's less pie to
go around like he was. He's I think Jerry is
dug in more than ever now, and I've been saying
it since Zeke decided to hold out. I think it
drags into the first couple of games of the season,

(01:25:46):
and now I feel might be right, might be stronger
about that now, you know. So we'll see the leverage
is gonna swing heavily one way or the other once
the season starts, because it still comes down to whether
or not they win or lose, and Chris, I think
if they lose to the Giants and they hope for
there all hell breaks lose even if they win and

(01:26:09):
they can't run the football, right, you know? So I
think he goes back to Zeke. All right, we got
a treat for you, Rod Parker. What hecase? We know
how much you love talking about Tom Brady. Philip Rivers
said some things that you might like, You might feel
him finally finally got some good stuff to say. Far

(01:26:30):
All right, here here's what he said about Tom Brady.
I remember thinking when the Patriots beat the Seahawks, when
the Seahawks, when they had the interception that gains the
Seahawks down there all fourth to one, and that gave
them one their fifth championship, right, I think you know,
everybody said, oh, he's now the greatest of all time.
I always thought he was already one of the greatest
of all time. But because they intercepted the past, Yeah,
now the greatest of all time. What if the Seahawks,

(01:26:52):
What if the Seahawks were running in and the Seahawks
were the won Brady just played the exact same game
he had not He didn't do anything different, you know,
but it is. It is. It's funny how that works.
So I don't. I don't look at that. That's why
I always think Morito's right there in the next turn. Quickly,
let me say something quickly, rob And then I know
you want to go. I get if I'm Philip Rivers,

(01:27:15):
and I agree, a great quarterback, but no super Bowls.
I'm saying the same thing, right, I'm like, look you,
it's a team sport. It's the ultimate team sport. You
can't judge us on super Bowls. What if our defense
is poor, what if we don't have a running game,
what if we don't have receivers? And then he throws

(01:27:36):
out the trump guard Dan Marino, same boat as Philip Rivers.
Now Marino was even better than Thrivers, but same boat.
No super bowl wins. I would do the same thing
because that elevates me, right when I take super Bowls
out of it. So I get where Philip Rivers is
coming from. But I obviously disagree. Go ahead. I know

(01:28:00):
you you're waiting to no and and and I totally
agree with you. I don't. I didn't hear the whole
Dan Patrick interview, but Dan should have pushed back and
like I said, I didn't hear it, Chris, So I
don't know what d you know, but you gotta push
back and say, well, this sounds kind of self serving
because you never want a championship. I'm sure he didn't

(01:28:21):
say that, because he's saying you can't just just look
at the guy's career based on that because he didn't
have any hardware, he didn't have any Super Bowl trophies.
But his case on on the you know, just counting
uh the these the super Bowl trophies and always giving

(01:28:41):
it to uh Tom Brady is is uh because I
always bring up that two of Tom Brady's championships he
only threw one touchdown and didn't play that well, so
you could you could go and say, well, did he really?
That's why I always call him the load because a
lot of things have worked out. It doesn't mean he's
a bum, Chris. It doesn't mean that he hasn't contributed

(01:29:03):
or hasn't had big moments. But there have been a
lot of situations where Tom Brady could easily easily have
won one or two super Bowls rather than six. I mean,
if a couple of things don't go his way, So
I get what Philip Rivers is saying, but I don't
think that really had anything to do with Tom Brady.
I think that was about Philip Rivers, I really do,

(01:29:25):
and he knows that to make his case to get
into Super Bowl. And remember the Philip Rivers and the
Eli Manning, right, Philip is that guy and we could
We talked about it before, Chris. Would you rather have
Philip Rivers as your quarterback who has better numbers than
Eli Manning, who went to more playoffs right than Eli Manning?

(01:29:47):
Or would you rather have Eli Manning who won you
the two biggest super Bowl, won two big super Bowls
for your franchise, won the MVP twice, made signature throws
and nose And would you rather have a consistent, uh
fifteen year quarterback like Philip Rivers has been, or a
neurotic regular season quarterback who beat the Patriots twice and

(01:30:09):
Tom Brady twice? I would take Eli, and I think
that's why he's trying to make his case. I would rather.
I think Philip Rivers has had a better regular season career,
like he's just been a better He's a I think
he's a better I agree, no doubt But if if
you said to me which god you which, now, which

(01:30:30):
player would I rather have? If I'm a GM, I
might say Rivers. But if you ask me, Chris, you're
gonna be a player in the NFL, whose career would
you rather have? That? Knowing what has already happened, It's
not like there's no doubt. I would say Eli, no
doubt with the two super Bowl wins. Not only two

(01:30:51):
super Bowl wins, but as you said, pointed out he
beat Tom Brady and he did in New York, you
know what I mean, Like, there's no question. Now, if
I'm a GM and you say which quarterback would you
rather have? I probably say Rivers betting on that. You know,
if I have the right people around him like I

(01:31:12):
had around Eli a few years, I think he can
win those super Bowls. But if you say which career
would you rather have, I'm definitely picking Eli. Yeah, I'm
with you. I think that winning winning does matter. It
just doesn't the whole pie, but it's definitely a part
of it. That's that's why Dan Marino, for all of

(01:31:33):
his numbers, Christ and all I mean, Dan Marino was
a great quarterback. Am I right? Question? No question? But
he's not in that conversation because he never won. He
went to the Super Bowl the second year they lost,
and he never went back. And that's why you also
are beginning and obviously you love Aaron Rodgers. I think
he's tremendous, but you're starting to just hear some questions

(01:31:58):
like if he's that and he's got his one super
Bowl win an appearance, what right if he's you know,
like you gotta he's got the ones who he's a
made man. But you know what I mean, like people
want to see you win a little more, at least
get there a little more, you know what I mean.
There's no doubt about it. I think I told you
and I brought it up. He still has a chance

(01:32:18):
to win because we saw Tom Brady go ten years
without winning. It's not impossible he if he can just
stay healthy, Chris, I think he can give himself a chance.
If Aaron Rodgers, after this nine year drought, wins one
or two more, and then you add up all the
other numbers, Chris and the MVPs, do you know what
I mean? And you take a look at his career
and he finished a strong people will consider him one

(01:32:41):
of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play. Well, I think
he's considered that already, but I'm just saying he wins
two more. Yeah, if he wins two more, he's firmly
in that Gold conversation, especially if he goes two and
old and now he's three and old, because then he
would be three and old. Right, you would the case.
He has the best quarterback rating, he has the best

(01:33:04):
touchdown the interception ratio. He had the longest stretch of
not throwing an interception was over four hundred passes and
then three and ah, and say one of the two MVPs,
you know, Super Bowl MVPs to go with that, do
you know what I mean? You would add that's a
big if, because no, I know it is. I know.
I'm just saying, we'll see, but this year is gonna

(01:33:26):
tell a lot because I'm expecting a big year from
Aaron Rodgers. So all right, you're turning the way in
how much does winning count? In the Gold conversation? Do
you agree with Philip rivers Um? You know, is it
should be? How much does it count? It is your
turn to speak on it. Eight seven seven ninety nine
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There's eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. How much

(01:34:57):
does winning come into play and how much should it
come into play when we talk about these goat conversations.
No doubt about a Darren in Long Beach. You're on
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Darren? Hey, guys,
big fans love listening to Rob you on Touchhaw some
money when you're filling sometimes, so appreciate it. I appreciate

(01:35:19):
all the hard work to see you guys out there
early in the morning, seeing Chris on a the right
you know, right Nick and Chris in the morning. You
guys push your balls to really appreciate it. Thank you, man, Um.
But yeah, I mean winning for me, it's kind of
loaded because for one, for the case for Brady, outside
of a few fluke years for the Jets, they really
didn't have any competition, so it kind of skated our

(01:35:42):
way to you know, first round buys. And I feel
like Belichick really doesn't get you know it, gets a
lot of praise, but almost suddenly get enough credit because
they always have a top ten defense, Um, and they
kind of just scaped their way through the AFC. Honestly,
it's kind of like Lebron with he was in the
Eastern Conference, right. No, No, you get talking about with division.

(01:36:02):
But they still have to go through the rest of
the conference, right. I don't feel like the competition that
they ever they had was was eleas like you see
him like the NFC. I feel like NFC was a
lot harder to get through with some of these, you know,
all kind of teams. Right, But but Darren the last thing?
But but can could damn Marino ever be the goat

(01:36:23):
for you with like all of his great numbers, but
he never won? Does that Does that eliminate him from
the gold conversation? I believe it does. I mean you
have to have at least one. I mean, I don't
think Peyton gets enough enough credit as well in the
Goat conversation, like what he's done, you know, in his career.
Peyton's problem is he struggled in the playoffs even though

(01:36:47):
it was like a five It was like a five
HU and the last one was a parting gift. Are
you talking about Brady not being that effective? I mean
he looked like Marino in his prime. I'm compared to
Manning in his last year. Manning looked like the tin
man in that Super Bowl. He couldn't move Chris. It
was terrible. Hey, Sean and Sacramento, one of our favorite callers.

(01:37:10):
You're on the yad a couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, Sean? Man? It is good to hear y'all
back together, man, But next time you go out and
hit the strip club and start sending the pictures out, man,
you go ahead and put me in the contact listed right.
But I can't corrupt you man. You know what, Chris Christean,
you know what, Chris? I wouldn't. I wouldn't put that.
I couldn't put that picture on Instagram, but I sent

(01:37:32):
it to Rob g And and Chris was like, oh Lord,
that Mercy Worship Worship on Wednesday, Magic City on Mondays, Right,
you gotta bar on it out right. Chris probably couldn't
sleep that night after seeing that picture out Hey, don't
shake that man's hand. Don't shake that man's hand anyway.

(01:37:53):
The point I wanted to make many first of all,
listen to the whole interview. Dan Patrick walkedhim into that
question like like somebody got in the blind man and
the moving traffic man. But but I think I think
he handled it with class because one thing he didn't
bring up is the cheating man wins an't always matter
when you're dealing with somebody who was playing above the rules.
You know what I mean, it's already making provement once
and twice. Who's to say that the mother Super Bowls

(01:38:14):
were on one with cheating too. So at the end
of the day, I feel like Philip Rivers is the
best as a better skilled quarterback and just based on
his reputation the team that win with he could say
that Philip Rivers is a better quarterback than Brady just
skill wise. Yes, I would say that he's a better quarterback.
I can't go that far. Yea nam Weapons, Namos Weapons,
who Dan Brands, Troy Brandy, he had Randy. They let

(01:38:41):
the league go on fire. He let the league in
just about every quarterback. Sean, here's the other thing. Here's
the other thing, Sean, real quick, would you you would take?
So you would rather take Philip Rivers than Eli Manning
if he was your quarterback for your team, I take
I take Philip Rivers any day of the weekend to
me to build a back the team. Man If I'm

(01:39:03):
a GM, I'm taking. But if you were a player,
but you could have anybody's career, it could be the
Rivers Rocky Line. Whose career would you rather have? Hey?
Check out asking any fantasy football player. Man Philip Rivers
puts up numbers a year in year out, you have
would you rather have? I'm taking the honest, the good

(01:39:24):
old Christian man, Philip Rivers man, shout out to Texas.
You want you don't want rings. Sean has been exposed.
He don't care about winning. No, obviously, and maybe he's
more into Philip Rivers having fifteen kids didn't winning championships. Uh,
Mike in New York, you're on the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Mike? Yeah, I believe winning

(01:39:51):
is fifty percent of the battle. But one thing I
think they just separates Joe Montana away from Time Radio
is he did it the honest way, and you want
and cheating. And I think we gotta wait it a
little bit in there too, And I don't think that's
a lot. I'm the only guy talks about it, Mike.
You know I am. Most people act like it didn't happen.

(01:40:14):
And that's the only part that I think is wrong,
and only from this point, Chris, if you're gonna talk
about Lance, I'm strong and Roger Clemens and and Barry
Bonds and all these other people who write, then you
got up. Tom Brady and Bill Belichick have to be
in that conversation. That's all I'm not saying. In the
gation they should be. The cheating, but deflating the footballs

(01:40:42):
is not the same as taking PDS. Chris did, he did.
He miss four games in the NFL for that same
But it's not. It's not the same as taking It's
just it's the same penalty. The nflaps on the wrist,
it's the same. It's the same. If you can call
a few years ago games for domestic violence. Is that

(01:41:03):
I'm just saying. You can't judge it by the suspension.
But if you get if you get caught with PDS,
you missed four games that we're NFL clearly doesn't care
about PDS and it because of him, you know what
I mean, Like it doesn't move on, like baseball ruined
your whole legacy, right, believe right, you know so all right,

(01:41:24):
but I do think and you know, I think gradies
to go. But that is the best argument against him
to me. The cheating, that's a hard one to get back,
even though I don't think it was huge cheating. It
still was, but it still has this on his record.
That's the biggest argument against Chris. I've always said, if
Tom handled it differently, blame it on me. I asked
the ball boys to do it. I didn't realize it

(01:41:45):
was under the specifications. Do you see what I'm saying.
Don't you would give him a pass. They would have
gave him a fine and he wouldn't have been suspended.
I really believe that you wouldn't give him a pass. No,
I was still I still think the league would have
get the fire department on stand by. Our Fox Sports

(01:42:06):
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(01:42:52):
be E from Salim. You can follow him on Twitter
at E from Salim. He is on the hot seat?
What's up? Brother? Is he there yet? Throwing? You're a
little shy? You know it's about to get hot up
in here. I remember that last time I was on
a hot seat. Uh, it wasn't hot for me, so,

(01:43:14):
oh wow, strange memory. You know, you at CBS getting
some cocoa butter before the show hit us with the
theme music. Right, damn the current temperature again beyond couple
are making it hot in here. Damn time to sit
down in the hot seat. That's right, it is the

(01:43:37):
hot tea. You already introduced our latest victim. He from Salaam.
Now he from a former NFL player, So of course
it's gonna take Chris and Roth the tag team on him,
to really take him down here in the hot seat.
But you know how, you know how this segment works.
He Fraim's got three very hot takes. He's gonna defend
against Chris and Rob. So let's just get right to well,

(01:43:58):
I gotta dresses up anymore than we have to e
from Opinion Number one says that Ezekol Elliott, who we
talked about earlier in the show, he's tripping by holding
out with two years left on the rookie deal paying
him twenty five million dollars from you got thirty seconds,
stay your case to the problem is especially when you

(01:44:19):
have other talented players up for negotiation, i e. A
quarterback in the quarterbacks league, When you're a running back
being compensated as a fourth pick in the draft with
twenty five million dollars, and you want to renegotiate after
three years. Oh, by the way, you got suspended for
six games. Oh, by the way, you've been in trouble

(01:44:41):
every single offseason you've been in the NFL. Oh, by
the way, if you hold out the whole year, guess what,
they don't have to pay you this year. They don't
have to pay you next year because they own your rights,
but you have left on your deal. Look, the singing
was cute, but that's not gonna win you this argument. Okay,
I get what he's doing. You know, he wants to

(01:45:03):
get paid. He saw Todd Gurley get the huge money.
He saw David Johnson get the huge money at the
same stage that he's at right now. He knows the
CBA is horrible for running backs. He saw how the
Cowboys used up DeMarco Murray and then discarded him. So
he wants to get paid. I admit, not a lot
of leverage he has unless the Cowboys stumble out the

(01:45:25):
gates in the regular season. He's not there. But I
get where he's coming from. I think he's trying to
do the right thing and get his money. May not work,
but I don't think he's tripping to try it. Gutty
from what's that was terrible? You just to help my point.
You see what he's doing. He's trying to get his money,

(01:45:47):
but he's not able to get his money because he's
still under a contract, a contract which is compensating him
very well. Unlike the quarterback situation. Who will be a
unrestricted free agent next year, Lagamari Cooper unrestricted free agent
next year. Those two have to get done. He doesn't
have to get done. He doesn't have a leg to

(01:46:08):
stand on. Yeah, Zeke is great when he's available, but
can we trust him off the field when he's playing,
he's great, what we got other backs and we got
an all pro offensive line. He from sounds like one
of those offensive linemen from the Pittsburgh Steelers. Just jealousy
because those guys don't have any stats and they don't

(01:46:29):
get the big contract and nobody knows them after they
stopped playing football. Stop, don't mean the CBA. Don't mean
the CBA doesn't work for running backs. He's gotta do
what he's gotta do to get paid before they use
him up and toss him out like a used tissue.
I'm sorry, Ezekiel Elliott is a man and deserves to

(01:46:51):
get paid for what he's done in the league. Wow,
he had some haymakers thrown in that round. I see
him busting live. I see a black guys getting man
from the smelling sauce. But I want that with his
little jingle, I will say from this sounded like a hater,
but he had the facts to back it up from

(01:47:12):
in round one. That's what I'm talking about. Fact, baby,
you will style over the substance. If Chicago right now,
you would get pimp slack. All right, here we go
topic number two. He from Saloon on the Hot Seat
with the Eye Couple from says that the team USA

(01:47:33):
basketball team is like a duke level college team and
no one wants to play because these contracts are out
of control. He from Got thirty Seconds tell us why Look,
the contract for a the seventh best player on your
team is upwards of one hundred million dollars. So you
mean to tell me you want to pay me one

(01:47:54):
hundred plus million dollars to just be average and then
go overseas for America and the feat for games and
do all this. I would rather spend my summers working
out here and there, spending some of this money, living lavishly,
having a good time. And oh, by the way, I'm

(01:48:14):
not going to risk injury if I'm on a playoff team.
I'm not gonna risk injury playing that deep into the
summer and then coming back to training camp only two
weeks prior to the season starting. I'm not doing that.
From how many years did you play in the NFL?
Because obviously your head game fostered a brown Because the
argaments make no sense from this standpoint, they should have

(01:48:38):
more set of to play because they got guaranteed contracts
unlike the NFL. So if they got one hundred million
dollars and they get hurt playing for their country, they're
still going to get their loot unlike the NFL. So
that doesn't make any sense. And you talk about they
should be going out. They got plenty of time to spend.
All that hundred million dollars ain't going nowhere. If you

(01:49:01):
have any kind of party you want to play, you
still could play. No. See, the bottom line is you
gotta really look at it. All of the A list
players are dropping out. The A list players are part
of teams that go deep into the playoffs. They are needed, right,
They're needed every every every A list guy in the

(01:49:22):
NBA is doing this term that was going last year
load management. All right, so you many time you're gonna
play all summer, get to the season when you're really
getting paid, and then take games off because of load management.
That doesn't sit your argument. So if you're on the
USA playing you can't have load management during the season.

(01:49:43):
Here's where you're really wrong at Aphram when you said
they are a duke level college teams. Stop it. You know,
we've heard people talk about Alabama. Oh, they could play
in the NFL and win seven eight games. No, they couldn't.
No college team in any of the sports major sports

(01:50:03):
could compete with a pro team. You know this. Harrison
Barns was a monster in college. He's averaging the NBA.
Jalen Brown would be killing the nc double A right now.
Kyle Ko's the same thing. Chris Middleton, Donovan Mitchell, they'd
be eating up college teams. Jason Tatum was great in
college years ago. What do you think he'd be doing now.

(01:50:26):
Kimber Walker, Marcus Smart obviously obviously know it's done. You're done. Obviously,
you guys don't know the rules of the game. Because
both to his corner are swinging after the bell. I'm
picking points from both sides. But there was a legitimate
knockdown in that round. Score around two to the old couple.

(01:50:47):
That's right. But g did not take him down. You did. No,
it wasn't. It wasn't you. It wasn't. It was all
right here the this take of the night. We've been
saving the best for last. Irim Salaam says that the
producer to the Bachelor in Paradise should be ashamed of themselves.

(01:51:09):
Because they let a person bring their girlfriend from home
to be on the show. From You Got thirty Seconds,
I'm part of Bachelor Nation and I was furious last
night they yet they let a young lady come onto
the show. She had a relationship back home. She gets
this guy to fall in love with him. He's smitten,

(01:51:30):
knows why open and oh she pulls the you know what,
I really really like you. I enjoy being with you,
I enjoy kitching you. But I'm seeing someone at home. Oh,
that someone has to happens to be a woman. It
doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman. If
you're in a relationship, you don't get to come to
Bachelor in Paradise. And I and what did the producer? Dude,
They've brought her girlfriend to the show who's not part

(01:51:53):
of the show and allowed her to stay there with
them in front of the dude, she just dumped for
someone she had a relation with at home. From I'm
embarrassed for you that you watch Bachelor in Paradise. I mean,
I'm on, give me American Idol, give me Dancing with
the Stars, give me Family feel queen shot something. I

(01:52:16):
mean the Bachelor in Paradise it's not even the best Bachelor.
I mean, this is nuts. I can't believe it. I
don't want to have a little storyline. Look here, Mary,
look you don't. You haven't been swept up in Bachelor Nation.
I have. And what I'm telling you, it's a show
about past contestants who haven't found love getting together on

(01:52:40):
an island in Mexico and finding love with each other.
In no way, shape or form, should you be able
to bring an outside love interest in who had no
part of the show whatsoever. It goes against the entire
fabric of the franchise. It's a slap in the face.
It's a spit in the face of everybody who's in batchelation.

(01:53:04):
And I'm saying it shouldn't have happened. You're just mad
because it didn't wind up being some sort of sick
manage ATOI or something in that show, right, because that's
not That's but that's why I stopped talking. It's my
turn you. I'm with Chris. You shouldn't be watching that
man turn on some engineer FS two. There's some wrestling

(01:53:29):
going on something else. What are you doing watching that?
Nobody watches The Bachelor. I don't know any guy who
watches The Bachelor, except some terrible offensive lineman who's jealous
of a running back making money. Wow, wow, I'm personal
there in the end, you know what I believe, If
I'm not mistaken, only one person is an actual television

(01:53:53):
and film producer to his credit, so he must know
more than the rest of us. Round three goes to
from that's what Rob, We got to get a real judge.
How about you pay? Hey hey, hey, guys, all I'm
saying is that's two in a row. And I want

(01:54:14):
to rename the hot seat. Okay, I want to rename
the hot seat to Salaam's place. All right, how about
the fraud seat? Is what it is? The fraud what
we're doing. Hey, hey, guys, look, I just look at
good sportsmanship. Hey, gouts, great jobs, great arguments. All right.
Round two, you won that great arguments. Thank you for

(01:54:34):
allowing me to come on to your show and just
say you and oh and and and at the end
of the week on Friday, when you guys are lollygagging
and hanging out on the show, replaying this, just leading
your audience. That's right. You better not replay this on
Friday and give them a segment off because they don't

(01:54:57):
want to work hard like me and Chris. It is
the Great Egroms Live Fox Sports Radio Weekend. Love You Friday, No,
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That's the show. Check out. Do not tune out because
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(01:55:17):
for the Eye Cup, no doubt this Friday. All right, brother,
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(01:55:58):
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what I mean, Chris, Really what I was going over

(01:56:20):
time I turned on my phone eating wings, or hanging
out with friends, or going to a ball game, or
you know what I mean. I gotta tell you I
had a great time in Atlanta. There's nothing you know,
I'm gonna say that's real quick. My godson turned nine
years old on Monday and his name is Dallas, and

(01:56:43):
we went to the ball game yesterday. I bought him
a throwback Atlanta Brads Jersey. He's a big baseball player,
loves baseball. And to be able to spend time with him, Chris,
with him and his dad, Jay and my brother. I mean,
we just had a great time. And it's moments like
that in life that it's all about about. Oh yeah, alright,

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