September 12, 2019 • 40 mins
It's the Best of the Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob debate whether or not the recent series of events in the AFC East (Antonio Brown forcing his way to New England, the Dolphins tanking, and Sam Darnold getting mononucleosis) is further proof that Tom Brady is the L.O.A.T - The Luckiest of All-Time, and discuss the possibility that Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson could become the future of the quarterback position in the NFL. Plus, Hall of Fame wide receiver Terrell Owens stops by to share his thoughts on Antonio Brown's sexual assault lawsuit, Odell Beckham Jr.'s watch controversy, and much more!
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. When is the
last time, Rob that you heard of a football player?
Maybe I missed it, but I can't remember a football
player being out from mino? Yeah, can you? No? You're right,
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I haven't heard that. I may be wrong, but I
tend to think of that as like a young person's disease.
It's like a kissing disease, isn't it. That's what they say.
I had it in college. I had a slopping down
in college. Tell me, who are you stopping information? So
you actually the girl I was dating my wife at
that time. She gave you mono No, no, no, but
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that's who I was dating. So it was my junior
year at college. I missed about two or three weeks. Yeah,
it's something very contagious, right, I mean, yeah, I was
down your low on energy. It's definitely contagious. Part of
me thought, man, if I was a pro athlete and
I had to get out there and play because I've
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played with it, no but college Division three. I didn't
play through it. But it is contagious. That's what I think.
That they want to keep him away from all the
other players. That's what they're really afraid of. And uh,
you know what a blow. And you know what, I
don't think this is prison of the moment. The Jets
season just ended. Uh right there, Well he's out. Yeah. Hell,
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I mean if you look at this schedule, you were
the only one in America that thought they were gonna
have any type of season. Anyone I thought they had
a good show. You're just trying to get out of
you can't get out of it. I didn't say anything,
now ever, did you let me. I'm saying if we
had a bet, I have what the vegans vague, I
would not. You can't get out. You got to stick
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with your Jets. I'm just saying I wouldn't. If I
had a bet with you over Jordan, I would owe
you a pair of Jordans. I would pay it. I'm admirable.
Oh sorry, Oh, you're gonna get some Jordans. Yeah, you're
gonna in fifty cents, but you're gonna get your Jordans.
You're gonna you're gonna pay off. You finally decided you
gonna pay off. If I find something for like under
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thirty dollars, you're getting a homopuck what what kind of
Jordans of those? I don't know, but there's come on,
you know I'm in the right on that. It's you understood.
We won't get all into that. I'm just saying you
gotta stick with your Jets pick. No, I didn't knock
down from it. But I'm telling you this season said
the seasons don't mean First you said they're making the playoffs.
Now you're saying the seasons over. When you get their
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quarterback to get monoled after the first week of the season,
and now when you look at the scare edule, what's
gonna what's gonna play out? No jokes, it's just it's
just a bad spot for them to be and they
need dear Guy Brown's Patriots, Eagles, Cowboys, Patriots. I mean
that's what I'm saying. Oh my gosh, didn't they get
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the Dolphins. They get a reprieve there midway it lightens
up after the Jaguars, who they may not even be
that tough. You got the Dolphins in November, November three,
the Giants, the red Skins, three teams that you know
aren't very good, but the Craters, the Bengals, the Dolphins.
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So they gotta reprieve in that little stretch is you
could be in such a big hole and that's the price, right.
But on top of that, Levian Bell, well I just
had it was more of a precautionary one. Yeah, but
you know, is he is he definitely playing Sunday? Is
that I just said? But they said he was a
precautionary X ray wasn't like okay, so yeah, no major damage,
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so we'll see, uh if he's playing Sunday. But yeah,
so there it is. So you're trying to get out
of him, the Jets. But let me make my point
on this, all right, this is the point. I thought
the point was that they're done. No, but this is
what this is the point. And this is the first
thing I thought of when this thing happened today and
the news came down, I said, here we go further
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proof that Rob Parker is right. Rob Parker once again
the trendsetter, the guy ahead of the curve, the guy
who knows what's always happening before it happens. Because Tom
Brady is officially the load, the luckiest of all time.
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You know what, Antonio Brown falls into his lap. I mean,
everybody's thinking he's out of the league. Oh, the Raiders
released him, nobody wants him. What's he do? He winds
up in New England with a forty two year old
quarterback who needs them now? Serious, the only quarterback who
could challenge Tom Brady in the AFC. Least he has modo.
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He's gonna be out for three or four weeks. This
gives the Patriots a thirteen and three record. All they
gotta do is win two lousy home games to get
to the super Bowl. Again, he's the luckiest guy on
this planet. It all lines to Brady. Want to go there? Yeah?
Really turning this into a treatise on time. Yes, this
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is what has happened to him his whole career. I
don't did he make a deal with the devil? I
don't know what it is. Everything works out for Tom Brady.
First of all, you forgot something in your in your
bragging about yourself with all your titles, the one who
knows things in advance, what's coming down the pipe, the
one who should be in Mexico too. How about that
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one I told him should be living in Mexico. All right,
but I want to product Veranda for the weekend I
was in Mexico. He is. This is ridiculous. First of all,
the Jets. I don't care if Sam Darnald was healthy.
I don't care if Levian Bell's shoulder wasn't nicked up
a little bit. There's still a week team. This is
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your this is your moment. This is the season that
this is what turns around the Patriots season. Ye. Now,
the Jet wasn't Darnald healthy last week? Yeah, but it's Buffalo.
If that's the case, didn't then Bill Jets aren't even
the second best team in the week Division. Yeah, we
lost in the Bill They were gonna be better than
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the Bills. That was a lucky game by the Bills.
The Bills beat them. I'm not sure it's a short menu.
I heard somebody once to say it's a short menu
on football. It's funny because it's in losses with all
I have to go on in week one and entering
week two is who won Last week? Buffalo beat the Jets.
That means right now Buffalo is better, so that that
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worked out for you and this one. But when it
was the Browns losing in week one, you want to
tell everybody it's Jet week one. It didn't. It didn't
week one. You're gonna have to say the whole season
over because in week one, I just don't bail. That's all.
I didn't make the playoffs. I'm sticking with him. I
don't say that season's over some people. I'm just the realist.
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I'm being honest. All right, let me let me get
to your point, all right, Tom Brady the load, Yes, Rob,
I'm gonna dismantle this point by point. All right. Here
are the leading receivers for Tom Brady's first three Super Bowls,
Troy Brown, Dion Branch and David Givvens. I guarantee you
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never even heard of David Givvens that one Pro Bowl
between them. Oh, and I forgot one of the other
guys in the future years Richet called well then Wes Welker.
Julian Verman, a former quarterback in the mac Ki in State.
All Right, he's you gonna say he's lucky when those
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are guys who were his leading receivers throughout his career.
And then he did get a few primetime receivers, a
few Blue Chippers, Randy Moss, but Randy was violatile. Randy
had some issues. Rob Gronkowski, he's hurt a lot. He's
a Hall of favor What are you talking about. He's
not gonna Super Bowl. He was also good enough that
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he's gonna get into the Hall of Fame playing for
the Patriots. Yes or no, Chris Now's yes or no?
He is a Hall of Fame game. His career is
ended prematurely. I can say that's bad luck for Brady.
He's twenty nine years old, he's retired. That's bad luck
for Brady. Antonio' Brown, that's lucky. Yeah. Really, the one
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that doesn't know if he wants to play because it's
helmet doesn't look cute. That one, the one who gets
frostbite on his feet. That one. The best receiver in
the league. Tom Brady's forty two. He needs all the
help he can. And when I talk about luck, Chris,
you can talk about the Scraggley receivers your name, and
I'm talking about uh when the when he with the
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tuck rule, tom Brady fumbled the ball, got it back
from the Raiders, right, rob g that was the legitimate
that No, that wasn't He got the rule later. But
what what about Uh the Carolina Panthers kicking the ball
out of bounds. Give tom Brady the ball at the
forty yard line. That's another super Bowl he that that
helps him with the Ram's lucky last year. Wait minute,
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we're talking about the Patriots and Tom Brady. Everybody's got
Can we talk about Seattle reception and the one yard line?
How dare you not run the ball in with the
best receiver? Then the Atlanta Atlanta Falcons are up twenty
eight to three and they don't run the ball in
the second half, and they choked to Tom Brady in
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that game. Tom Brady the three sounds like he still
had to put a lot of points on the ball.
Tom Brady should have one Super Bowl maybe too stop
And I've never seen anything like it. And now you're
gonna send them to the Super Bowl again. This is unbelievable. Wow,
you're giving him I mean just because you win your division.
You say it, you said it off like two Measley
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home game. Is that's not easy to do that. Kansas City.
I saw Kansas City's defense. I'm not impressed. Kansas City
is a legit team. You know the coaches. He's a
very good coach. He's an offensive gene. He's a choker.
How about the race? A choker? Choker right off Pittsburgh.
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Oh yeah, did you watch Pittsburgh Chargers. You love the
Chargers last year. Not think you gotta go through all
these teams just because you win your division means nothing.
You still have to win two games and they may
not have the best record. In the end. Time Killer
is gone back by the player. Georges lost what they lose.
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Safety they live back, James Derwin, James Melvin Gordon holding.
Now they got so many issues that Eckler is about
to be a Pro Bowl. It's just an automatic. It's
it's a it's a lay up. Here we go again.
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Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and The iHeart radio app. I tell
you one matchup I'm super excited about this week, and
that is the Arizona Cardinals and the Baltimore Ravens. Really
you're not, I mean, hold on, Lamar Jackson versus Kyler Murray.
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That doesn't excite you. Blowout? I'm looking for a blowout
in that game. No, it might be. I mean we
looked obviously, the Ravens looked tremendously Mimi defensively and offensively enough.
Miami met get to two young quarterbacks and you want
to watch that, But I don't know about us as
a football game. It well, it may be a blowout,
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but yeah, I'm looking at storyline. So even if it's
a blowout, wouldn't it excite you if Lamar goes out
there and throws for four touchdowns and three hundred something
yards runs for seventy years? You know what I mean? Like,
because that's the thing I'm really intri you know, And
I think we're on the same page on this. I
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have not been one that has bought in. I've pulled
for him, but I've been bought into the Lamar Jackson
is going to, you know, change football narrative like I
have not thought that. I didn't think. I don't think
you can run as much as he's run last year.
He didn't run a lot in Week one, but I
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don't think you can run as much as he ran
last year and remain healthy. Jaws even said you take
a lot of hits. And all the guys that ran,
Donovan McNabb, Randall Cunningham, Michael cam Newton, Steve they're all bigger,
much bigger than Lamar Jackson. And I didn't think he
threw it well enough to be a great pocket passer.
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Now last week he proved me wrong. He looked great.
Not only obviously guys were open, he had plenty of time,
but he also made some great throws into some tight windows,
and so he was impressive. I want to see if
he can keep that train going. So that excites me,
and I'll let you comment, but I could say, you know,
I feel I've same issues or similar thoughts about Kyler Murray.
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So that's what excites me about this game. Yeah, I
mean from that standpoint, to see those two young guys,
a second year quarterback in a rookie Kyler Murray disappointing
for three quarters. Really was just looked awful, and then
all of a sudden he looked awful, awful. I mean
I just was like, what, And don't you think people? Look?
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I get it, he was. He was bad, and he
was hyped, right, But for a rookie quarterback to look
awful in the first half, and really, as you said,
first three, first three quarters, first game, heck for to
look awful his whole first game, It's nothing unusual. No, no, no,
I mean we live in a society now where it's
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all about instant gratification, so you know, nobody's really ready
to give him any time to grow and develop. But
it wasn't unusual that he looked so bad early on. No,
I'm just saying, but but it was. I thought. I
look at both of those games, and I know he
came back in the second half. I don't. I don't know, Chris.
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I wasn't watching it that closely at the end to
know how what the defense was when you're obviously there
in some previous right, you know what I mean, you're up,
You're up twenty four to six, right, right, so you
I mean defensively, you you do pull back a little
bit and you allowed him to throw the ball in
front of you. Do you know what I mean? So
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that's just that's not taking anything away from him. It's
just the way football's played. And it's the same thing
with with Lamar Jackson and and you know where the
where the Dolphins are. Dude, these to us to make
the plays and they're out on the field and I'm
not gonna pooh pooh what he did. But that's a
bad football team. I don't know what pressure that. It's
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a bad football team that may have quit halfway. Yeah,
you know, really, christ And I think that that's fair
to say. And we've heard about the reports right after
that about players calling their agents after that, like getting
me out of Miami. I don't want to be here
right like like it wasn't just that they lost it,
Like this is awful. They're tanking. We don't have any
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talent here. We're gonna get embarrassed every week and could
get hurt and could get hurt out there getting steamrolled
and uh even hardball going forward up big going forward
on fourth down, like like it was disrespecting. I'm glad
you brought that up because my take generally robbed and
I get people saying, oh, you're rubbing it in and
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you know you didn't have to do that. The game's over.
But these are professionals, and my take is always, if
you don't like it, stop them. Don't do anything dirty,
but stop them from kicking your butt. Don't get mad
when a team is up twenty and they take a
three pointer at the end of the game or a dunk,
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you should have got mad and stopped them during the game.
This is not CYO. It's not YBA, the y m
c A or junior high high school ball, anything like that.
This is not Michigan against Appalachian State, although I know
that ended badly for Michigan one year, but maybe that
was a bad the wrong, not Ohio State and cost
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uh Lloyd Carr's job. That was the beginning of the end, right,
But you know what I'm saying, Like, that's my take, Rob,
I'm sorry, you're professionals, You're being paid to do it.
I'm not gonna lose any sleep over the fact that's
somebody pounded you erubbed it in. Well, you know, things
have changed. It used to be there were certain things
you didn't do, and that was one of them. Same thing, Chris,
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you remember taking threes at the end of an NBA
game when you were all big players took its offense
to that. Now people just seem like it doesn't matter
what the score. But you know what I mean, it's
just it's not as frowned upon, not as much as
it used to be. It used to be a big problem.
But uh yeah, I guess I could see where a
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team would be like, really you need to, like, you know,
jam it down our throats and try to score on
the fourth down play instead of just kicking the field goal.
And then again, I'm not playing both sides, but if
you're trying to work out plays and you're like, they're
probably trying to figure it out like on the fourth down,
and one can can this work? And it's an opportunity
to do it and get some working, especially when the
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game is out of reach there's no game. Yeah right,
there's no game. Yeah, I agree with that. Now, the
Cardinals coach Cliff Kings, he's got a lot to prove himself,
all right, because remember he told everybody was gonna wait
till you see his offense. He's gonna revolution Nazi NFL.
Oh yeah, we didn't show you anything in preseason and
all that we didn't see anything in the first three
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quarters either, So you're right about that. You're right about that.
But he was talking about these two quarterbacks and here's
what he's said. I don't think we have it on audio.
Is that true, rob Okay, I'm just gonna read it.
Cliff Kingsbury told reporters this yesterday talking about Kyler Murray
and Lamar Jackson. It's two very dynamic playmakers, no question,
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they could be the future of football if they continue
to work and develop. Now here's something that John Harball,
of course, the Ravens coach, said as well. He talked
about Lamar Jackson and his offense kind of changing the
game as well. He said this about those two guys
being so mobile. The mobility at that position is not
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something that's new. But maybe the speed and the ability
of these guys to really get out and run are
more like Michael Vick, who's a more recent phenomenon. I
would expect more and more of it in the league,
for sure. So do you think, Okay, go ahead, from
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the standpoint of because he's saying it, we've seen this before.
Let's not act like it's brand new. Maybe the speed
of the guys Chris is different, but running guys running
being running quarterbacks and and I'm not saying totally running quarterbacks,
but having the ability to. We've seen it in Vic.
I think Vic is similar. Now Lamar looks like he
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could be better. But when Vic first came, people saying
all the game but changed and everybody all the quarterbacks
gonna be Michael Vick and it didn't happen. Right, I'm
with you. I think Kingsbury Couch did enough. He said
they could be future, so it could look it's way
too early. I mean Lamar Jackson last week saw him
before game one, he looked like he had been soft,
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right the Chargers, I mean they stopped twice. Yeah, they
had shut him down. And then to your point, you
always say he came back in the second half when
the game was over, playing prevent defense and all that,
and that's not the That's just the way it was
because when the game mattered, when it was hanging in
the balance, he couldn't get the he couldn't move the
ball right. So he's had one game where you really
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and it was a heck of a game, perfect passer raining.
But one game I'm not going to jump to conclusions.
But he seems like a hard worker, He seems humble,
he seems like a guy. I can't say he seems
like a tremendous leader. I'm not saying he's a bad leader,
but just he doesn't seem to give off that vibe.
But the teammates seem to love him. I mean, his
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teammates really seem to defend him and pull for him.
And that's good, Kyler. I do think, uh you know,
he threw a lot of balls into the the scrimmage, Rob, Yeah,
a lot of a lot of passes batted down at
bout defensive lineman. Does that bother you? Does that scare
you or worry you a little bit? As I think
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it may have been four, Rob, g correct me if
I'm wrong, But I think it's through four. No. Again,
it was his first game, right, so I'm not gonna
jump to a conclusion one way or the other. But
I think they both couched it enough Hardbor and Clint Kingsbury. Well, yeah,
we're all sitting here waiting, And that's one reason I'm
excited about this game, because I want to watch and
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see I think a guy like Pat Mahomes it's far
more the future than these two are. Uh, Deshne Watson
is kind of in between my homes and these because
my homes is still your still typical, a typical big, army,
big quarterback and dudes like that win, right, and he's
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out from the park pocket you're not. You're not hoping
he does uh dipsy doodle and some tricks. He stands
in there and he can beat you. I do think
that the athleticism of the quarterback, for the most part,
it has to be there nowadays. Trubisky, who's not great,
but he's athletic, WinCE is athletic, right, you know, Mahomes
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doesn't run a tom but he's athletes like that. The
game is just so fast now that you probably are
going to have to be a guy that can do that.
I mean even you know Rogers has been a guy
that can is mobile. Oh no, no, don't now. Tom
Brady of course isn't, and he's still there doing his thing.
But I do think Josh Allen, you know Buffalo, you
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know the guy that that whipped up on your jets
last week. I mean, he's athletic. You know, Darneld's athletic.
So you you are seeing I do agree with these
guys on that that we're about to hit the era.
We're beginning the era where the quarterback's got to be
an athlete to be sure to catch live editions of
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He's one of the best wide receivers to ever do it,
A Hall of Famer, you know him, Tarrell always uh man,
the wide receivers are are are doing some crazy stuff nowadays. Man,
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I don't think it has nothing to do with wide receivers.
It's just uh yeah, we are some uh enigmatic, uh
kind of kind of guys. But you know, Ab is
on one right now, and uh, I think the world
has witness the world has witnessing obviously like one of
the most bizarre, you know, kind of behaviors and things
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that are happening, especially for the hundredth season, going to
the hundred season of the of the NFL. So this
is it's been interesting to say the least, because I mean,
I have nothing but love for for Ab. And again,
a lot of people have been asking me kind of
my take on what's going on, and I do consider
a be a friend. I don't. I don't condone everything
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that you know he's done and the way he's going
about it. But at some point, hopefully you know, he
can just get to playing football. Hey, Geo, Well, I
was gonna say, have you talked to him? Or you know,
why do you do you? Like a lot of people
think he purposely did a lot of that stuff to
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get out of Oakland because he knew he could get
to New England. Uh, do you buy any of that?
Have you talked to him about any of that? No,
I'm not buying that at all. I don't even know
if it was for sale, but no, I'm not buying. Um. Honestly,
I think I mean he honest I think he dodged
a bullet. Um. I think the other thirty teams that
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didn't jump on the jump on the idea of acquiring
him as soon as he was released. Um. That's why
I think Bill Belichick will probably go down as one
of the greatest and best, I mean best coaches in
NFL history. Um. Obviously, the culture itself there in Boston,
A number of players obviously has has spoken of what
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that's like. And I figured I think he figured you know,
if anybody can can kind of real abn, Um, it's him.
It's what they're doing with the you know that culture.
Obviously they've won super Bowl. Like the Super Bowl, UM,
that's what AB wants to do is win. UM. I
don't think it is it is and it isn't about money. UM.
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Obviously if you saw that, UM, with the process in
which he got out of Pittsburgh, UM, he wanted money.
He got that. And then at the end of the day,
me talking to Ab towards the end of last year,
with some of the issues that were going on in
the locker room with Ben and the coach and management. UM,
I talked to him on a few occasions. So again,
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I know, I understand where he's coming from to a degree,
but I think he's just going about it the wrong way. UM. Obviously,
he's trying to address some issues that is going on
behind the scenes within the league, especially when you think
about guys of color that are having to go to
the instegree to get paid, get guaranteed money. UM. I think,
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like I said, he has he has, you know, an
idea of what he wants to do. He just hasn't
executed that plan to here's one of my big things
when it comes to the NFL trying to legislate and
dolliu punishment and whatnot. I think a b should be
allowed to play because this is a civil suit, not
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a criminal situation, and you let it and you should
let it play out. And I just don't want to
see like people are like, oh, he shouldn't play and
they should get to the bottom of this, and I'm like, dude,
this is not a criminal investigation. This is a civil suit.
Anybody can follow lawsuit against you, right absolutely, and obviously
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with a civil civil suit, the burden of proof is
obviously lower in the court. And so um again, you know,
obviously it looks bad. I think the timing is bad
when you look at everything that is transpired, you know,
since you know, since last year, and then obviously you
know it's it's well documented things that have happened, you know,
since he got with the Raiders. So again, public opinion,
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obviously it's gonna look worse. They're gonna they're gonna they're
gonna automatically make him guilty. And I think you know,
we all know that any American, like I said, with
in any situation, you're you're innocent until proven guilty, not
the other way around. And so again I'm with you
on this, he has to be I think he should play. Um.
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I think this is a situation where um, the female
is there is a money graph type of situation. Um.
Obviously there are some things like there's always two sides
to a story. I just think for AB, it looks
bad because of the timing of it. And obviously she's
trying to almost like kick a man when he's down. Um. Obviously,
like said, with the public opinion, like said, for something
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like this to come out, like everybody that heard this,
they automatically think that Ab is guilty, right because because
of all the other stuff as well, they just pilot
all together and go, oh, this is the last straw.
This is it. They should throw them out of the league.
And none of this has to do with what happened prior.
And people need to be very very careful. We've seen
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Michael Irvin be accused of this thing a couple times
and both times he was exonerated both times, right, right,
And like I said, I mean, like I said, I
think the thing is it's just bad timing. It's just
the timing of this situation, and I think unfortunately, like
I said, for AB, it's not a good look. Um,
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you obviously want to be sensitive to to anything as
it relates to rape. Sure, i'm women especially you know,
at the climate that we are in at this at
this moment time in this country. But again, like I said,
if it's false, then she should be she should be
dealt with to the mp degree of the because this
is not a good situation, you know, obviously to try
to destroy man's you know, reputationist character and obviously destroy
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man's you know, his livelihood. So I, like I said,
I feel bad in that sense because this is one
thing after another and it almost seems like it's it's
it's a never ending thing when it comes to Ab.
But like I said, I personally I love the guy.
Um I took said, I don't condone everything that he's done. Um,
like I said, I know, I know, I kind of
I know his mindset. You know, there are some things,
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like I said, behind the scene, Like I said, he's
trying to get these players, you know, to to understand
the leverage that they have, and individually they can't do it.
They can't do it individually. When you think it when
you look at when you look at these situations, you know,
look at all these guys that are having to go
through the innth degree to get paid. Ab did it,
Um Julio was almost threatened to holdout. Aaron Donald, Eric
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Donald did it last year, Zeke did it last year.
Lady that I hold you and what I'm trying to
tell you all these are black football players. You saw
and like I said, it's I know what he's trying
to I know what he's trying to do. Like I said,
he's just going about it the wrong way. He's trying
to accomplish something but doesn't have the right execution of
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plan to execute it. So is he talking Is he
talking with any other players about this? Yeah, you know,
trying to put something together honestly. To be honest, I've
talked to a number of players and these players don't
feel like they have the leverage. A lot of these
players don't feel like it's going to benefit them. And
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it's not about benefiting them at the moment. It's about
the generation of guys that are coming after you. That's
what it's about. It's you have to sacrifice and what
I trust me, I've seen it For example, Carson Winster's
got paid one hundred million dollars. And I'm not discounting
Carson wins ability to play the game, But do you
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think he's warranted one hundred million dollars? He didn't have
to do anything to get that hundred million, But you
know what heyto Here's the thing. Until the players come
together and the union is strong enough that the NFL
owners have been bending over players forever. And I'm telling you,
trust me, I totally agree. Until they get a union
that the strong as the MLB and the NBA, it's
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not going to happen. And I trust me. I've talked
to these guys individually. They they want to do it,
but collectively they have to do it. The league is
made up of seventy plus percent minority. Yes, they trust
me that these the owners have these players thinking that
we need them. Yes, it's the other way. You're right.
The players have to get together, band together and stand
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up for what they what they believe in, and what
they want, and they will get it. They will get
them unified. They got to know everybody's doing it right,
but everybody's doing it individually and it's not working. It's
not going to happen. And you know what I want
to say, And all they need to do is go
back to when the baseball players didn't play the World
Series that year. You remember the play the owners are
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gonna lock them out. They said, you're not gonna lock
us out, We're gonna strike. And that's what changed everything.
Look at the money that baseball players are getting TiO
three hundred million, four hundred and thirty million. It's it's
absolutely it's absolutely mind boggling. And then again you these
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these weirdest football players. We see these these these these
numbers that these players are getting, and then these guys
want to go on social media and chime in and
chirp about it. Don't chirp about it, in chime if
you're not gonna do anything about it, it's right, go ahead,
joining the eye couple, Let's go to Cleveland and look.
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I don't know if Rob and I are old school
or what, but you know O O. B. J Odell
Beckham Junior with the watch, I mean, I don't get it.
What are we all of What are you making that
I don't understand. I'm a good friend of O. B. J.
Two And again, like it's it I don't understand. I
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don't understand it. I get, I really don't understand it.
I mean, when you think about something like this happening
is like, okay, where are your priorities? Why? I get,
I understand the fashion element of it. But there's a
time and a place for it. No pun intended. There's
a time and the place. But it's not it's not
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it's not on the football field. That would be. It
would almost be what if Lebron played the play the
game he had a watch on. I can't even did
you ever even consider wearing a watch? Like think, No,
it just doesn't make it doesn't make sense. And then
the thing is, okay, just say for it, I mean,
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just hypothetical to speaking, just okay, just say if it's
a it's a it's a key game, it's a it's
a playoff game or something. He catches the panting and
he's about to score, and the time is running out,
and a player tries to reach out and grabbing, grabbing
by the watching. He gets tackled, and he gets tackled
by the watch. Any boy, you get what I'm saying.
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And my thing is, when all that was writing, all
the hype about it that that's something worth fighting over
and being consumed with when you just got your butts
kicked in the home open at home by thirty points. Yeah,
that's and and again it's it's it's a it's a distraction, dude.
And this is what kills me, dude, is that I
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got critical, I got I got rid of cute. I
got criticized so much for this this it pales in
comparison to what he does are doing right, And people
look at me, dude, like like I like I was.
When you have guys like Skip Baitis and Sean Salisbury,
these guys just talked about me like I was the
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worst guy that ever stepped in in a pair of cleats,
It's it's refreshing because now they see, like for me personally,
I was ahead of my time and what I did,
like I said, I didn't I didn't tinker with the
integrity of the game. I tried to have fun. I
knew that what I was doing once I started to
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become the football player and the receiver that I that
I was, and I did like I became an entertainer
as well as a performer, like as well as a
football player, like I knew where to draw the line,
but everybody that was in the booth they didn't understand.
They didn't know how to really they didn't know what
they were seeing. And it wasn't bad. I wasn't doing
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anything neat like this stuff at all, Like you said,
it was refreshing. Have you since have people begun to
change their view of the things you did based on
what they see happening now? No, because I think at
that time, during that time, you know, Chris, it's just
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almost like you know, the damage has already done. Bro.
I trust me the way that the media portrayed me,
trust me, I don't, like I said, it's it's it
has affected kind of what I wanted to do and
what I want to do, like business wise, because people
hold that negative image and what they heard and what
they read during the time that I played. And it's
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like I told, I tell people I was thinking and
when I when I went on and I tried to
defend myself, I adamly said, I was like, yo, I
have been unfairly criticized for what I wasn't doing anything
just because it was different than what guys did in
the seventies and the eighties. That doesn't mean that I
was doing something wrong. I never did anything wrong. And
then you have guys like Ryan Clark that that that
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is going on and try to articulate and try to,
you know, add his two cents as far as what's
going on with ab things, and he's done off the field,
and then he throws my name in the mix for what.
I haven't done any thing off the field. I have
no criminal records, no nothing. I told him like, the
only thing close to me doing something off the field
was to sit ups in my driveway. Right, what's funny?
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It's funny. I tried to make light up a situation.
But then guys that have played the game is doing,
guys that are playing in the league or disservice because
they know what's going on in these locker rooms. When
when when when this you know, storm kind of fades
away or whatever? Would they be ob J, will you
talk to him? Because, as you said, I mean, the
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things you did were nothing like what they're doing. But
will you talk to them about Look, even though I
didn't do what you guys are doing, it's still has
negatively impacted me, you know about the look Yeah, and
they may not and they may not see it. They
may they may not see it at this point. But again,
this is a different generation, this is a different era. Again,
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the social media platforms are I mean, they're plentiful. So
they may feel like, again, these guys are making well
more money than than than we did and then I did.
So they may not feel like it's it's it's going
to impact them, you know, at that at that level.
But at the end of the day, like I said,
when you start, you know, you know, wanted to orchestrate business,
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get into the business world. These are some of the
things that again, these these corporate companies and these people
they take into consideration. Bro, I trust me. I know
I walked in several meetings and and people expect the
TiO that they they they heard about or they saw
on the football field. That's that's not that's not that's
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that's not who I am. Yeah, that was what I did.
That was what I had to do. That was that
mentality that I had to turn on when it was
time to face football. But people are their soul, their
soul taken back when I when I'm coming and I
and I'm talking to them and like for twenty men,
they like dude, you're nothing like I thought you were
because of the media perception. Well I was gonna say, well, TiO,
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I hope that this year too, man, you could come
back through my class at USC because you came last
year and the kids thoroughly enjoyed your information and your
talk with them. So hopefully you can come back this
year too. Man, anytime, you know, you got my number, man, Uh,
like I said, Chris rest out man, Like I said,
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I love being on the show with you guys. You
guys are doing some some awesome stuff. So you know,
anytime and I'm available, I can kind of add my
little two cents in and and and help you guys out.
You know, I'm always I'm here for you and and
the other thing. Can you help Chris out on some
sit ups because his midsection? Can you tell them how
to do sit up correctly? Oh? Yeah, you still stay
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out shape? Yeah he got he know how to get
get ahold of the right guy when you're talking sit ups.
That's me, that's right, He's he's still in shape. He's
an unbelievable shop. I know, I know we appreciate the
thank you, Thank you all right, man, anytime, right,
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. When is the
last time, Rob that you heard of a football player?
Maybe I missed it, but I can't remember a football
player being out from mino? Yeah, can you? No? You're right,
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I haven't heard that. I may be wrong, but I
tend to think of that as like a young person's disease.
It's like a kissing disease, isn't it. That's what they say.
I had it in college. I had a slopping down
in college. Tell me, who are you stopping information? So
you actually the girl I was dating my wife at
that time. She gave you mono No, no, no, but
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that's who I was dating. So it was my junior
year at college. I missed about two or three weeks. Yeah,
it's something very contagious, right, I mean, yeah, I was
down your low on energy. It's definitely contagious. Part of
me thought, man, if I was a pro athlete and
I had to get out there and play because I've
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played with it, no but college Division three. I didn't
play through it. But it is contagious. That's what I think.
That they want to keep him away from all the
other players. That's what they're really afraid of. And uh,
you know what a blow. And you know what, I
don't think this is prison of the moment. The Jets
season just ended. Uh right there, Well he's out. Yeah. Hell,
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I mean if you look at this schedule, you were
the only one in America that thought they were gonna
have any type of season. Anyone I thought they had
a good show. You're just trying to get out of
you can't get out of it. I didn't say anything,
now ever, did you let me. I'm saying if we
had a bet, I have what the vegans vague, I
would not. You can't get out. You got to stick
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with your Jets. I'm just saying I wouldn't. If I
had a bet with you over Jordan, I would owe
you a pair of Jordans. I would pay it. I'm admirable.
Oh sorry, Oh, you're gonna get some Jordans. Yeah, you're
gonna in fifty cents, but you're gonna get your Jordans.
You're gonna you're gonna pay off. You finally decided you
gonna pay off. If I find something for like under
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thirty dollars, you're getting a homopuck what what kind of
Jordans of those? I don't know, but there's come on,
you know I'm in the right on that. It's you understood.
We won't get all into that. I'm just saying you
gotta stick with your Jets pick. No, I didn't knock
down from it. But I'm telling you this season said
the seasons don't mean First you said they're making the playoffs.
Now you're saying the seasons over. When you get their
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quarterback to get monoled after the first week of the season,
and now when you look at the scare edule, what's
gonna what's gonna play out? No jokes, it's just it's
just a bad spot for them to be and they
need dear Guy Brown's Patriots, Eagles, Cowboys, Patriots. I mean
that's what I'm saying. Oh my gosh, didn't they get
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the Dolphins. They get a reprieve there midway it lightens
up after the Jaguars, who they may not even be
that tough. You got the Dolphins in November, November three,
the Giants, the red Skins, three teams that you know
aren't very good, but the Craters, the Bengals, the Dolphins.
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So they gotta reprieve in that little stretch is you
could be in such a big hole and that's the price, right.
But on top of that, Levian Bell, well I just
had it was more of a precautionary one. Yeah, but
you know, is he is he definitely playing Sunday? Is
that I just said? But they said he was a
precautionary X ray wasn't like okay, so yeah, no major damage,
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so we'll see, uh if he's playing Sunday. But yeah,
so there it is. So you're trying to get out
of him, the Jets. But let me make my point
on this, all right, this is the point. I thought
the point was that they're done. No, but this is
what this is the point. And this is the first
thing I thought of when this thing happened today and
the news came down, I said, here we go further
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proof that Rob Parker is right. Rob Parker once again
the trendsetter, the guy ahead of the curve, the guy
who knows what's always happening before it happens. Because Tom
Brady is officially the load, the luckiest of all time.
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You know what, Antonio Brown falls into his lap. I mean,
everybody's thinking he's out of the league. Oh, the Raiders
released him, nobody wants him. What's he do? He winds
up in New England with a forty two year old
quarterback who needs them now? Serious, the only quarterback who
could challenge Tom Brady in the AFC. Least he has modo.
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He's gonna be out for three or four weeks. This
gives the Patriots a thirteen and three record. All they
gotta do is win two lousy home games to get
to the super Bowl. Again, he's the luckiest guy on
this planet. It all lines to Brady. Want to go there? Yeah?
Really turning this into a treatise on time. Yes, this
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is what has happened to him his whole career. I
don't did he make a deal with the devil? I
don't know what it is. Everything works out for Tom Brady.
First of all, you forgot something in your in your
bragging about yourself with all your titles, the one who
knows things in advance, what's coming down the pipe, the
one who should be in Mexico too. How about that
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one I told him should be living in Mexico. All right,
but I want to product Veranda for the weekend I
was in Mexico. He is. This is ridiculous. First of all,
the Jets. I don't care if Sam Darnald was healthy.
I don't care if Levian Bell's shoulder wasn't nicked up
a little bit. There's still a week team. This is
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your this is your moment. This is the season that
this is what turns around the Patriots season. Ye. Now,
the Jet wasn't Darnald healthy last week? Yeah, but it's Buffalo.
If that's the case, didn't then Bill Jets aren't even
the second best team in the week Division. Yeah, we
lost in the Bill They were gonna be better than
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the Bills. That was a lucky game by the Bills.
The Bills beat them. I'm not sure it's a short menu.
I heard somebody once to say it's a short menu
on football. It's funny because it's in losses with all
I have to go on in week one and entering
week two is who won Last week? Buffalo beat the Jets.
That means right now Buffalo is better, so that that
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worked out for you and this one. But when it
was the Browns losing in week one, you want to
tell everybody it's Jet week one. It didn't. It didn't
week one. You're gonna have to say the whole season
over because in week one, I just don't bail. That's all.
I didn't make the playoffs. I'm sticking with him. I
don't say that season's over some people. I'm just the realist.
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I'm being honest. All right, let me let me get
to your point, all right, Tom Brady the load, Yes, Rob,
I'm gonna dismantle this point by point. All right. Here
are the leading receivers for Tom Brady's first three Super Bowls,
Troy Brown, Dion Branch and David Givvens. I guarantee you
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never even heard of David Givvens that one Pro Bowl
between them. Oh, and I forgot one of the other
guys in the future years Richet called well then Wes Welker.
Julian Verman, a former quarterback in the mac Ki in State.
All Right, he's you gonna say he's lucky when those
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are guys who were his leading receivers throughout his career.
And then he did get a few primetime receivers, a
few Blue Chippers, Randy Moss, but Randy was violatile. Randy
had some issues. Rob Gronkowski, he's hurt a lot. He's
a Hall of favor What are you talking about. He's
not gonna Super Bowl. He was also good enough that
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he's gonna get into the Hall of Fame playing for
the Patriots. Yes or no, Chris Now's yes or no?
He is a Hall of Fame game. His career is
ended prematurely. I can say that's bad luck for Brady.
He's twenty nine years old, he's retired. That's bad luck
for Brady. Antonio' Brown, that's lucky. Yeah. Really, the one
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that doesn't know if he wants to play because it's
helmet doesn't look cute. That one, the one who gets
frostbite on his feet. That one. The best receiver in
the league. Tom Brady's forty two. He needs all the
help he can. And when I talk about luck, Chris,
you can talk about the Scraggley receivers your name, and
I'm talking about uh when the when he with the
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tuck rule, tom Brady fumbled the ball, got it back
from the Raiders, right, rob g that was the legitimate
that No, that wasn't He got the rule later. But
what what about Uh the Carolina Panthers kicking the ball
out of bounds. Give tom Brady the ball at the
forty yard line. That's another super Bowl he that that
helps him with the Ram's lucky last year. Wait minute,
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we're talking about the Patriots and Tom Brady. Everybody's got
Can we talk about Seattle reception and the one yard line?
How dare you not run the ball in with the
best receiver? Then the Atlanta Atlanta Falcons are up twenty
eight to three and they don't run the ball in
the second half, and they choked to Tom Brady in
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that game. Tom Brady the three sounds like he still
had to put a lot of points on the ball.
Tom Brady should have one Super Bowl maybe too stop
And I've never seen anything like it. And now you're
gonna send them to the Super Bowl again. This is unbelievable. Wow,
you're giving him I mean just because you win your division.
You say it, you said it off like two Measley
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home game. Is that's not easy to do that. Kansas City.
I saw Kansas City's defense. I'm not impressed. Kansas City
is a legit team. You know the coaches. He's a
very good coach. He's an offensive gene. He's a choker.
How about the race? A choker? Choker right off Pittsburgh.
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Oh yeah, did you watch Pittsburgh Chargers. You love the
Chargers last year. Not think you gotta go through all
these teams just because you win your division means nothing.
You still have to win two games and they may
not have the best record. In the end. Time Killer
is gone back by the player. Georges lost what they lose.
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Safety they live back, James Derwin, James Melvin Gordon holding.
Now they got so many issues that Eckler is about
to be a Pro Bowl. It's just an automatic. It's
it's a it's a lay up. Here we go again.
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Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and The iHeart radio app. I tell
you one matchup I'm super excited about this week, and
that is the Arizona Cardinals and the Baltimore Ravens. Really
you're not, I mean, hold on, Lamar Jackson versus Kyler Murray.
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That doesn't excite you. Blowout? I'm looking for a blowout
in that game. No, it might be. I mean we
looked obviously, the Ravens looked tremendously Mimi defensively and offensively enough.
Miami met get to two young quarterbacks and you want
to watch that, But I don't know about us as
a football game. It well, it may be a blowout,
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but yeah, I'm looking at storyline. So even if it's
a blowout, wouldn't it excite you if Lamar goes out
there and throws for four touchdowns and three hundred something
yards runs for seventy years? You know what I mean? Like,
because that's the thing I'm really intri you know, And
I think we're on the same page on this. I
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have not been one that has bought in. I've pulled
for him, but I've been bought into the Lamar Jackson
is going to, you know, change football narrative like I
have not thought that. I didn't think. I don't think
you can run as much as he's run last year.
He didn't run a lot in Week one, but I
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don't think you can run as much as he ran
last year and remain healthy. Jaws even said you take
a lot of hits. And all the guys that ran,
Donovan McNabb, Randall Cunningham, Michael cam Newton, Steve they're all bigger,
much bigger than Lamar Jackson. And I didn't think he
threw it well enough to be a great pocket passer.
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Now last week he proved me wrong. He looked great.
Not only obviously guys were open, he had plenty of time,
but he also made some great throws into some tight windows,
and so he was impressive. I want to see if
he can keep that train going. So that excites me,
and I'll let you comment, but I could say, you know,
I feel I've same issues or similar thoughts about Kyler Murray.
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So that's what excites me about this game. Yeah, I
mean from that standpoint, to see those two young guys,
a second year quarterback in a rookie Kyler Murray disappointing
for three quarters. Really was just looked awful, and then
all of a sudden he looked awful, awful. I mean
I just was like, what, And don't you think people? Look?
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I get it, he was. He was bad, and he
was hyped, right, But for a rookie quarterback to look
awful in the first half, and really, as you said,
first three, first three quarters, first game, heck for to
look awful his whole first game, It's nothing unusual. No, no, no,
I mean we live in a society now where it's
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all about instant gratification, so you know, nobody's really ready
to give him any time to grow and develop. But
it wasn't unusual that he looked so bad early on. No,
I'm just saying, but but it was. I thought. I
look at both of those games, and I know he
came back in the second half. I don't. I don't know, Chris.
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I wasn't watching it that closely at the end to
know how what the defense was when you're obviously there
in some previous right, you know what I mean, you're up,
You're up twenty four to six, right, right, so you
I mean defensively, you you do pull back a little
bit and you allowed him to throw the ball in
front of you. Do you know what I mean? So
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that's just that's not taking anything away from him. It's
just the way football's played. And it's the same thing
with with Lamar Jackson and and you know where the
where the Dolphins are. Dude, these to us to make
the plays and they're out on the field and I'm
not gonna pooh pooh what he did. But that's a
bad football team. I don't know what pressure that. It's
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a bad football team that may have quit halfway. Yeah,
you know, really, christ And I think that that's fair
to say. And we've heard about the reports right after
that about players calling their agents after that, like getting
me out of Miami. I don't want to be here
right like like it wasn't just that they lost it,
Like this is awful. They're tanking. We don't have any
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talent here. We're gonna get embarrassed every week and could
get hurt and could get hurt out there getting steamrolled
and uh even hardball going forward up big going forward
on fourth down, like like it was disrespecting. I'm glad
you brought that up because my take generally robbed and
I get people saying, oh, you're rubbing it in and
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you know you didn't have to do that. The game's over.
But these are professionals, and my take is always, if
you don't like it, stop them. Don't do anything dirty,
but stop them from kicking your butt. Don't get mad
when a team is up twenty and they take a
three pointer at the end of the game or a dunk,
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you should have got mad and stopped them during the game.
This is not CYO. It's not YBA, the y m
c A or junior high high school ball, anything like that.
This is not Michigan against Appalachian State, although I know
that ended badly for Michigan one year, but maybe that
was a bad the wrong, not Ohio State and cost
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uh Lloyd Carr's job. That was the beginning of the end, right,
But you know what I'm saying, Like, that's my take, Rob,
I'm sorry, you're professionals, You're being paid to do it.
I'm not gonna lose any sleep over the fact that's
somebody pounded you erubbed it in. Well, you know, things
have changed. It used to be there were certain things
you didn't do, and that was one of them. Same thing, Chris,
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you remember taking threes at the end of an NBA
game when you were all big players took its offense
to that. Now people just seem like it doesn't matter
what the score. But you know what I mean, it's
just it's not as frowned upon, not as much as
it used to be. It used to be a big problem.
But uh yeah, I guess I could see where a
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team would be like, really you need to, like, you know,
jam it down our throats and try to score on
the fourth down play instead of just kicking the field goal.
And then again, I'm not playing both sides, but if
you're trying to work out plays and you're like, they're
probably trying to figure it out like on the fourth down,
and one can can this work? And it's an opportunity
to do it and get some working, especially when the
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game is out of reach there's no game. Yeah right,
there's no game. Yeah, I agree with that. Now, the
Cardinals coach Cliff Kings, he's got a lot to prove himself,
all right, because remember he told everybody was gonna wait
till you see his offense. He's gonna revolution Nazi NFL.
Oh yeah, we didn't show you anything in preseason and
all that we didn't see anything in the first three
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quarters either, So you're right about that. You're right about that.
But he was talking about these two quarterbacks and here's
what he's said. I don't think we have it on audio.
Is that true, rob Okay, I'm just gonna read it.
Cliff Kingsbury told reporters this yesterday talking about Kyler Murray
and Lamar Jackson. It's two very dynamic playmakers, no question,
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they could be the future of football if they continue
to work and develop. Now here's something that John Harball,
of course, the Ravens coach, said as well. He talked
about Lamar Jackson and his offense kind of changing the
game as well. He said this about those two guys
being so mobile. The mobility at that position is not
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something that's new. But maybe the speed and the ability
of these guys to really get out and run are
more like Michael Vick, who's a more recent phenomenon. I
would expect more and more of it in the league,
for sure. So do you think, Okay, go ahead, from
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the standpoint of because he's saying it, we've seen this before.
Let's not act like it's brand new. Maybe the speed
of the guys Chris is different, but running guys running
being running quarterbacks and and I'm not saying totally running quarterbacks,
but having the ability to. We've seen it in Vic.
I think Vic is similar. Now Lamar looks like he
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could be better. But when Vic first came, people saying
all the game but changed and everybody all the quarterbacks
gonna be Michael Vick and it didn't happen. Right, I'm
with you. I think Kingsbury Couch did enough. He said
they could be future, so it could look it's way
too early. I mean Lamar Jackson last week saw him
before game one, he looked like he had been soft,
(20:04):
right the Chargers, I mean they stopped twice. Yeah, they
had shut him down. And then to your point, you
always say he came back in the second half when
the game was over, playing prevent defense and all that,
and that's not the That's just the way it was
because when the game mattered, when it was hanging in
the balance, he couldn't get the he couldn't move the
ball right. So he's had one game where you really
(20:27):
and it was a heck of a game, perfect passer raining.
But one game I'm not going to jump to conclusions.
But he seems like a hard worker, He seems humble,
he seems like a guy. I can't say he seems
like a tremendous leader. I'm not saying he's a bad leader,
but just he doesn't seem to give off that vibe.
But the teammates seem to love him. I mean, his
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teammates really seem to defend him and pull for him.
And that's good, Kyler. I do think, uh you know,
he threw a lot of balls into the the scrimmage, Rob, Yeah,
a lot of a lot of passes batted down at
bout defensive lineman. Does that bother you? Does that scare
you or worry you a little bit? As I think
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it may have been four, Rob, g correct me if
I'm wrong, But I think it's through four. No. Again,
it was his first game, right, so I'm not gonna
jump to a conclusion one way or the other. But
I think they both couched it enough Hardbor and Clint Kingsbury. Well, yeah,
we're all sitting here waiting, And that's one reason I'm
excited about this game, because I want to watch and
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see I think a guy like Pat Mahomes it's far
more the future than these two are. Uh, Deshne Watson
is kind of in between my homes and these because
my homes is still your still typical, a typical big, army,
big quarterback and dudes like that win, right, and he's
(21:54):
out from the park pocket you're not. You're not hoping
he does uh dipsy doodle and some tricks. He stands
in there and he can beat you. I do think
that the athleticism of the quarterback, for the most part,
it has to be there nowadays. Trubisky, who's not great,
but he's athletic, WinCE is athletic, right, you know, Mahomes
(22:15):
doesn't run a tom but he's athletes like that. The
game is just so fast now that you probably are
going to have to be a guy that can do that.
I mean even you know Rogers has been a guy
that can is mobile. Oh no, no, don't now. Tom
Brady of course isn't, and he's still there doing his thing.
But I do think Josh Allen, you know Buffalo, you
(22:38):
know the guy that that whipped up on your jets
last week. I mean, he's athletic. You know, Darneld's athletic.
So you you are seeing I do agree with these
guys on that that we're about to hit the era.
We're beginning the era where the quarterback's got to be
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He's one of the best wide receivers to ever do it,
A Hall of Famer, you know him, Tarrell always uh man,
the wide receivers are are are doing some crazy stuff nowadays. Man,
(23:23):
I don't think it has nothing to do with wide receivers.
It's just uh yeah, we are some uh enigmatic, uh
kind of kind of guys. But you know, Ab is
on one right now, and uh, I think the world
has witness the world has witnessing obviously like one of
the most bizarre, you know, kind of behaviors and things
(23:44):
that are happening, especially for the hundredth season, going to
the hundred season of the of the NFL. So this
is it's been interesting to say the least, because I mean,
I have nothing but love for for Ab. And again,
a lot of people have been asking me kind of
my take on what's going on, and I do consider
a be a friend. I don't. I don't condone everything
(24:06):
that you know he's done and the way he's going
about it. But at some point, hopefully you know, he
can just get to playing football. Hey, Geo, Well, I
was gonna say, have you talked to him? Or you know,
why do you do you? Like a lot of people
think he purposely did a lot of that stuff to
(24:27):
get out of Oakland because he knew he could get
to New England. Uh, do you buy any of that?
Have you talked to him about any of that? No,
I'm not buying that at all. I don't even know
if it was for sale, but no, I'm not buying. Um. Honestly,
I think I mean he honest I think he dodged
a bullet. Um. I think the other thirty teams that
(24:48):
didn't jump on the jump on the idea of acquiring
him as soon as he was released. Um. That's why
I think Bill Belichick will probably go down as one
of the greatest and best, I mean best coaches in
NFL history. Um. Obviously, the culture itself there in Boston,
A number of players obviously has has spoken of what
(25:10):
that's like. And I figured I think he figured you know,
if anybody can can kind of real abn, Um, it's him.
It's what they're doing with the you know that culture.
Obviously they've won super Bowl. Like the Super Bowl, UM,
that's what AB wants to do is win. UM. I
don't think it is it is and it isn't about money. UM.
(25:30):
Obviously if you saw that, UM, with the process in
which he got out of Pittsburgh, UM, he wanted money.
He got that. And then at the end of the day,
me talking to Ab towards the end of last year,
with some of the issues that were going on in
the locker room with Ben and the coach and management. UM,
I talked to him on a few occasions. So again,
(25:51):
I know, I understand where he's coming from to a degree,
but I think he's just going about it the wrong way. UM. Obviously,
he's trying to address some issues that is going on
behind the scenes within the league, especially when you think
about guys of color that are having to go to
the instegree to get paid, get guaranteed money. UM. I think,
(26:12):
like I said, he has he has, you know, an
idea of what he wants to do. He just hasn't
executed that plan to here's one of my big things
when it comes to the NFL trying to legislate and
dolliu punishment and whatnot. I think a b should be
allowed to play because this is a civil suit, not
(26:34):
a criminal situation, and you let it and you should
let it play out. And I just don't want to
see like people are like, oh, he shouldn't play and
they should get to the bottom of this, and I'm like, dude,
this is not a criminal investigation. This is a civil suit.
Anybody can follow lawsuit against you, right absolutely, and obviously
(26:56):
with a civil civil suit, the burden of proof is
obviously lower in the court. And so um again, you know,
obviously it looks bad. I think the timing is bad
when you look at everything that is transpired, you know,
since you know, since last year, and then obviously you
know it's it's well documented things that have happened, you know,
since he got with the Raiders. So again, public opinion,
(27:18):
obviously it's gonna look worse. They're gonna they're gonna they're
gonna automatically make him guilty. And I think you know,
we all know that any American, like I said, with
in any situation, you're you're innocent until proven guilty, not
the other way around. And so again I'm with you
on this, he has to be I think he should play. Um.
(27:39):
I think this is a situation where um, the female
is there is a money graph type of situation. Um.
Obviously there are some things like there's always two sides
to a story. I just think for AB, it looks
bad because of the timing of it. And obviously she's
trying to almost like kick a man when he's down. Um. Obviously,
like said, with the public opinion, like said, for something
(28:00):
like this to come out, like everybody that heard this,
they automatically think that Ab is guilty, right because because
of all the other stuff as well, they just pilot
all together and go, oh, this is the last straw.
This is it. They should throw them out of the league.
And none of this has to do with what happened prior.
And people need to be very very careful. We've seen
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Michael Irvin be accused of this thing a couple times
and both times he was exonerated both times, right, right,
And like I said, I mean, like I said, I
think the thing is it's just bad timing. It's just
the timing of this situation, and I think unfortunately, like
I said, for AB, it's not a good look. Um,
(28:44):
you obviously want to be sensitive to to anything as
it relates to rape. Sure, i'm women especially you know,
at the climate that we are in at this at
this moment time in this country. But again, like I said,
if it's false, then she should be she should be
dealt with to the mp degree of the because this
is not a good situation, you know, obviously to try
to destroy man's you know, reputationist character and obviously destroy
(29:07):
man's you know, his livelihood. So I, like I said,
I feel bad in that sense because this is one
thing after another and it almost seems like it's it's
it's a never ending thing when it comes to Ab.
But like I said, I personally I love the guy.
Um I took said, I don't condone everything that he's done. Um,
like I said, I know, I know, I kind of
I know his mindset. You know, there are some things,
(29:27):
like I said, behind the scene, Like I said, he's
trying to get these players, you know, to to understand
the leverage that they have, and individually they can't do it.
They can't do it individually. When you think it when
you look at when you look at these situations, you know,
look at all these guys that are having to go
through the innth degree to get paid. Ab did it,
Um Julio was almost threatened to holdout. Aaron Donald, Eric
(29:52):
Donald did it last year, Zeke did it last year.
Lady that I hold you and what I'm trying to
tell you all these are black football players. You saw
and like I said, it's I know what he's trying
to I know what he's trying to do. Like I said,
he's just going about it the wrong way. He's trying
to accomplish something but doesn't have the right execution of
(30:14):
plan to execute it. So is he talking Is he
talking with any other players about this? Yeah, you know,
trying to put something together honestly. To be honest, I've
talked to a number of players and these players don't
feel like they have the leverage. A lot of these
players don't feel like it's going to benefit them. And
(30:37):
it's not about benefiting them at the moment. It's about
the generation of guys that are coming after you. That's
what it's about. It's you have to sacrifice and what
I trust me, I've seen it For example, Carson Winster's
got paid one hundred million dollars. And I'm not discounting
Carson wins ability to play the game, But do you
(30:59):
think he's warranted one hundred million dollars? He didn't have
to do anything to get that hundred million, But you
know what heyto Here's the thing. Until the players come
together and the union is strong enough that the NFL
owners have been bending over players forever. And I'm telling you,
trust me, I totally agree. Until they get a union
that the strong as the MLB and the NBA, it's
(31:23):
not going to happen. And I trust me. I've talked
to these guys individually. They they want to do it,
but collectively they have to do it. The league is
made up of seventy plus percent minority. Yes, they trust
me that these the owners have these players thinking that
we need them. Yes, it's the other way. You're right.
The players have to get together, band together and stand
(31:45):
up for what they what they believe in, and what
they want, and they will get it. They will get
them unified. They got to know everybody's doing it right,
but everybody's doing it individually and it's not working. It's
not going to happen. And you know what I want
to say, And all they need to do is go
back to when the baseball players didn't play the World
Series that year. You remember the play the owners are
(32:07):
gonna lock them out. They said, you're not gonna lock
us out, We're gonna strike. And that's what changed everything.
Look at the money that baseball players are getting TiO
three hundred million, four hundred and thirty million. It's it's
absolutely it's absolutely mind boggling. And then again you these
(32:27):
these weirdest football players. We see these these these these
numbers that these players are getting, and then these guys
want to go on social media and chime in and
chirp about it. Don't chirp about it, in chime if
you're not gonna do anything about it, it's right, go ahead,
joining the eye couple, Let's go to Cleveland and look.
(32:49):
I don't know if Rob and I are old school
or what, but you know O O. B. J Odell
Beckham Junior with the watch, I mean, I don't get it.
What are we all of What are you making that
I don't understand. I'm a good friend of O. B. J.
Two And again, like it's it I don't understand. I
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don't understand it. I get, I really don't understand it.
I mean, when you think about something like this happening
is like, okay, where are your priorities? Why? I get,
I understand the fashion element of it. But there's a
time and a place for it. No pun intended. There's
a time and the place. But it's not it's not
(33:34):
it's not on the football field. That would be. It
would almost be what if Lebron played the play the
game he had a watch on. I can't even did
you ever even consider wearing a watch? Like think, No,
it just doesn't make it doesn't make sense. And then
the thing is, okay, just say for it, I mean,
(33:54):
just hypothetical to speaking, just okay, just say if it's
a it's a it's a key game, it's a it's
a playoff game or something. He catches the panting and
he's about to score, and the time is running out,
and a player tries to reach out and grabbing, grabbing
by the watching. He gets tackled, and he gets tackled
by the watch. Any boy, you get what I'm saying.
(34:18):
And my thing is, when all that was writing, all
the hype about it that that's something worth fighting over
and being consumed with when you just got your butts
kicked in the home open at home by thirty points. Yeah,
that's and and again it's it's it's a it's a distraction, dude.
And this is what kills me, dude, is that I
(34:40):
got critical, I got I got rid of cute. I
got criticized so much for this this it pales in
comparison to what he does are doing right, And people
look at me, dude, like like I like I was.
When you have guys like Skip Baitis and Sean Salisbury,
these guys just talked about me like I was the
(35:01):
worst guy that ever stepped in in a pair of cleats,
It's it's refreshing because now they see, like for me personally,
I was ahead of my time and what I did,
like I said, I didn't I didn't tinker with the
integrity of the game. I tried to have fun. I
knew that what I was doing once I started to
(35:22):
become the football player and the receiver that I that
I was, and I did like I became an entertainer
as well as a performer, like as well as a
football player, like I knew where to draw the line,
but everybody that was in the booth they didn't understand.
They didn't know how to really they didn't know what
they were seeing. And it wasn't bad. I wasn't doing
(35:42):
anything neat like this stuff at all, Like you said,
it was refreshing. Have you since have people begun to
change their view of the things you did based on
what they see happening now? No, because I think at
that time, during that time, you know, Chris, it's just
(36:03):
almost like you know, the damage has already done. Bro.
I trust me the way that the media portrayed me,
trust me, I don't, like I said, it's it's it
has affected kind of what I wanted to do and
what I want to do, like business wise, because people
hold that negative image and what they heard and what
they read during the time that I played. And it's
(36:24):
like I told, I tell people I was thinking and
when I when I went on and I tried to
defend myself, I adamly said, I was like, yo, I
have been unfairly criticized for what I wasn't doing anything
just because it was different than what guys did in
the seventies and the eighties. That doesn't mean that I
was doing something wrong. I never did anything wrong. And
then you have guys like Ryan Clark that that that
(36:46):
is going on and try to articulate and try to,
you know, add his two cents as far as what's
going on with ab things, and he's done off the field,
and then he throws my name in the mix for what.
I haven't done any thing off the field. I have
no criminal records, no nothing. I told him like, the
only thing close to me doing something off the field
was to sit ups in my driveway. Right, what's funny?
(37:10):
It's funny. I tried to make light up a situation.
But then guys that have played the game is doing,
guys that are playing in the league or disservice because
they know what's going on in these locker rooms. When
when when when this you know, storm kind of fades
away or whatever? Would they be ob J, will you
talk to him? Because, as you said, I mean, the
(37:31):
things you did were nothing like what they're doing. But
will you talk to them about Look, even though I
didn't do what you guys are doing, it's still has
negatively impacted me, you know about the look Yeah, and
they may not and they may not see it. They
may they may not see it at this point. But again,
this is a different generation, this is a different era. Again,
(37:53):
the social media platforms are I mean, they're plentiful. So
they may feel like, again, these guys are making well
more money than than than we did and then I did.
So they may not feel like it's it's it's going
to impact them, you know, at that at that level.
But at the end of the day, like I said,
when you start, you know, you know, wanted to orchestrate business,
(38:15):
get into the business world. These are some of the
things that again, these these corporate companies and these people
they take into consideration. Bro, I trust me. I know
I walked in several meetings and and people expect the
TiO that they they they heard about or they saw
on the football field. That's that's not that's not that's
(38:36):
that's not who I am. Yeah, that was what I did.
That was what I had to do. That was that
mentality that I had to turn on when it was
time to face football. But people are their soul, their
soul taken back when I when I'm coming and I
and I'm talking to them and like for twenty men,
they like dude, you're nothing like I thought you were
because of the media perception. Well I was gonna say, well, TiO,
(39:00):
I hope that this year too, man, you could come
back through my class at USC because you came last
year and the kids thoroughly enjoyed your information and your
talk with them. So hopefully you can come back this
year too. Man, anytime, you know, you got my number, man, Uh,
like I said, Chris rest out man, Like I said,
(39:21):
I love being on the show with you guys. You
guys are doing some some awesome stuff. So you know,
anytime and I'm available, I can kind of add my
little two cents in and and and help you guys out.
You know, I'm always I'm here for you and and
the other thing. Can you help Chris out on some
sit ups because his midsection? Can you tell them how
to do sit up correctly? Oh? Yeah, you still stay
(39:43):
out shape? Yeah he got he know how to get
get ahold of the right guy when you're talking sit ups.
That's me, that's right, He's he's still in shape. He's
an unbelievable shop. I know, I know we appreciate the
thank you, Thank you all right, man, anytime, right,
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