February 3, 2020 • 35 mins
It's The Best of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob debate whether or not Patrick Mahomes' Super Bowl performance is further proof that he's on track to become the Michael Jordan of football, discuss how much blame Kyle Shanahan deserves for blowing yet another 4th quarter lead in the Super Bowl, and explain why it's too soon to say that the Chiefs are set to become the next great dynasty in sports.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. I'm not going
to gloat. I'm not robbed. I know you probably thought
I'm gonna come in here and throw everything in your face.
I'm not facts or facts. I pick Kansas City to
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win it all. In the preseason. You called me a
prisoner at the moment, I said Patrick Mahomes Jordan esque.
You called me a prisoner at a moment. I said,
Lamar Jackson's gonna win the a unanimous MVP. You said
I was a prisoner at a moment. I want that
to change. I no longer want you to call me
the prisoner of the moment. I want the profit of
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the moment. I want profit of the moment. Rob Parker,
no more prisoner of the moment from you. Next time,
just listen. Last year, I said it was the Patriots.
This year, I said it was the Chiefs. If you're nice,
I'll tell you next year who's gonna win it too.
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And here we go, just keeping I want profit of them.
Don't don't bring up regular season. No no, don't tell
me what to talk about. Don't tell me what you
talk about. Oh no, okay, it's still Let me go.
Let me go. You're gonna bring up the regularly. Hell
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I know is a brother, a brother named Chris. Chris
Pick was nine and two in the playoffs. I've won
the regular season that I couldn't care less out to
regular season record. I am Kawhi Bruce. So he's so
about the playoffs and nine and two in the playoffs, Chris,
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you you were like six and five or something like that.
This is where we are with Chris Bussard. Chris Bussard
is captain obvious everything yet him hear me out, Jordan,
let me talk. Every pick every year is of the favorite.
It the favorite. No, you're not right. That about being
right or eything about being just say it's hitting picking
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the act. So you picked the Astros, you pick you
also picked the Warriors. All you ever do wouldn't pick
if they have hurt. Anybody can pick the favorites, Chris,
that's all you do that Kansas City was the favorite.
They didn't upset anybody. They were the favorite. They are
doing the most money. No, he's not about being right.
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You never step out and go on the limb to
make it real. Pa, you're too easy. He's not going
out on the limb. No, he was me. He was
the MVP last year. He wasn't rip me. He was
the MVP last year. You went on the limb to
pick at the MVP from last year. So now that
ain't going on to lims. You just you just say
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something to get clicked. No, I don't say something. I've
been worrying about the limb. I don't worry about anybody.
I worry about what I think. Right, you every favorite
or not? You pick Cleveland to make the playoffs. I
was at the Cowboys. These are or Howard All Cowboys
have went like three playoff games in twenty five years.
That's that's the obvious. Yeah, he hadn't made the playoffs,
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and who knows that he picks out all of his picks. Picks.
This is all you got. You can't be that captain
Obvious is who Chris? We saw this tonight. You want
super Hi Jacksonville and uh Houston next year for the
Super Bowl, just so he can be different. No, when
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I went on the limb about being cool, I went
on pack the Washington National to win the world. Nice.
That's nice. I also when I picked Toronto in six games? Yeah,
you injuries on it? Also picked the Lakers to make
the playoffs, didn't happen. Also picked Lebron James V. I
mean when you picked out All I'm saying is, Chris,
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your record is it wasn't not busy obvious pick every
to give me your upset. Give me the one time
you picked it up it was right? Was Lamar Jackson
supposed to be unanium? No, I'm telling you about it.
Can I hear the answer? Chris? Can you answer my question?
Give me a game where you an when you picked
an upset? He hasn't picked an upset I made because
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I don't think it's gonna be an upset. But you've
been wrong. I'm just saying who was well? Why are
you bringing up past history? Who was right yesterday? I'm
just telling where was right? This sea? Anybody could a
blind man could have picked. They would have favorite, They
would have favored you. You didn't pick up. No, I
was wrong this one. That's fine. I'm good with Mark
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just picking. I got two or the three, the three
championship off two or the three championships. This year, I
was right. I was right with the right, with the Nationals,
and I was wrong on this game. That's okay. I'll
take two out of three props one and three. How
could you be a profit one in three? Lamar? You
you may have picked the obvious. Pick Kansas City. Everybody
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in the uncle picked the favorite. Favorite? What are you talking?
And was the favorite? You didn't pick them? Skip didn't
pick up I gotta roll in. Shannon Sharp, who lost
my homes, didn't pick them? Some stop it with the
Captain Obvious. It was that what your favorite? Last twenty
four hours thinking about this is how I'm gonna come back, Chris.
I'm going to come one him, Captain Obvious. What it
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tells you about Shannon and Skip at me is that
we just don't follow the pack. We take a look
at the game, Chris. Everybody ever, I said it. I
already said I was no. But Ida is a little
weak not not becoming of you. All I'm telling you
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is you pick every big game, you picked up your favorite.
If you want to beat your chest for picking the
favorite better than this, I'm just telling you I thought
you were better than That's what. Maybe maybe now though
you will. Is Patrick Mahomes off to a jordan Esque start? No,
I can use that term. Not after I watched the
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seven minutes he went to champions him what three years?
Four years before Jordan? Maybe? Is that? Why? No? That
Jordan was getting swept out of the playoffs at this
point of h just so he's better than Jordan. Why
why I'm saying that start? Jordan didn't win this first time.
Tom Brady won three championships in his first four years,
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So call it Brady esque. I don't know why would
you call it jordanst. You just said Jordan didn't win
for six years, so how could he be jordanst? That
doesn't make any I'm gonna tell you why. This is
how he's jordanste. If you had watched my videos and
listen to me when I said it here, you wouldn't know.
Michael Jordan was clearly before he was even winning titles
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on the level above even the other greats. You could
see it other greats. Twenty points is the barometer for him.
It was thirty and Patrick Mahomes is on another level.
That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying he's Jordan yet,
because he's obviously gotta win a lot more to become Jordan,
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but I'm saying he's off to a jordanst start. Individually,
his statistics are off the chain, and now he's got
a championship. And furthermore, he was clutch. You're right, he
struggled through the first three quarters, I'll admit that, but
when the money was on the line, when the game
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was on the line, he came through in flying colors.
That is what Michael Jordan to do. Jordan had plenty
of nine for twenty six, shooting nine for twenty five,
shooting nine for twenty two shooting in playoff games, finals games.
But when the money was on the line, when somebody
needs to make a play, whether it was the past,
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the shot, the still, Jordan got it done. And that's
what this dude is doing. That's what he did last night.
Garoppolo did play better than him through the first three quarters,
but he's when it was money time, he delivered. He's
got the physical tools, the intangibles. He picked up Tyreek
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Hill and the rest of the Chiefs when they thought
it was over, and then he delivered. You gotta give
him that. And I don't know what athlete, maybe Tom
Brady says. You said he won three in his first
four years. But from an individual level, this is arguably
the best start to a career in team sports. Got
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he's the youngest ever to win the MVP Award in
the second year, first as a starter, and then he
won the Super Bowl in his second year as a starter.
And to find and the Super Bowl didn't Brady win
his first year? Brady won three, but didn't he win
the start the first but he didn't have the individual accolades,
but that that my homes had. Yeah, I think the
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team standpoint, I think it's gonna be hard, even in
Brady's case. And vine Terry had a lot to do
with those championships early on, right, he wasn't driving, but
he won three out of four his first four years.
So we'll see. So you you you jordanst I'm not there.
I'm just not there. I'm just not God. I said,
I'm the prophet I'm just not I'm the prophet of them.
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You want to wait, you're talking about me, captain I
have you want to wait to well, let me see
when he's won four championships. Just say it's not my Hey,
that's not my nature. I'm just I'm not that all
you gotta do. I've never been pre time. I just
have a couple of dreads. From all I'm saying is
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it'll help you, Rob. Just start listening. That's all the
brothers saying. You want to mock. I ain't about mocking.
I'm about marketing anything. You're right, I'm the pom. But
it's not prisoner of the moment. It's the profit of
the moment, all right. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Odd Couple with Chris Brussar then Rob Parker
weekdays at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox
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Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. I'm gonna let you
go ahead. You want to blame this on Shanahan. You
want to say that this wasn't so much about the
Chiefs winning it and taking the title as it was
about Kyle Shanahan giving it up. And so I'm gonna
give you the floor and then I'll respond it's just
the we've seen this movie before, and I think a
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lot of forty Niner fans were just disappoint Uch, you
could have run the ball and maybe you don't get
the yards or whatever it is, and I think people
could live with that, do you, Yeah, I do. Let
me just ask you this. I do, because what if
they had run the ball and they ran it effectively
for the most part, there were times the chief shot
I just showed you the last fourteen plays that way
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threw it. They threw it, went through twelve and rushed
only two. I'm just saying at the end of the
game with the clock, but if you still had to
get first down, no, I understand you. I'm not saying
not to throw at all, Okay, but if they if
they had run it and got three and out, four
and out, whatever, run it every down on third down
to ten, then you gotta throw it. I get that.
So I'm just saying, like to it's it's overly simplistic
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to just say they should have run the ball. I
don't think it's overly I must saying that more critical
of Shanahan for how he handled the end of the
first half. I just don't like like just basically conceding, Okay,
we're going with a ten ten tie, not trying to
be aggressive and score. You could have had the ball
with like a minute forty five left and three two
time outs and you just basically let the clock run
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out and you showed Kittle on that. Now Grady was
called for pass interference, but that showed you could have
moved the ball down the field or at least you
had a good change. But I also thought that he
knew that he was getting the ball in the second half, right,
the scores tied, and we didn't want to make a
mistake there. I'm not gonna ki, I'm not gonna kill
him there like I'm making when you got to be aggressive.
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I mean, it worked out and it worked for him,
But I'm just saying, and this thing, we saw this
before with with giving Tom Brady time Chris and not
running the football. Greg brought up to play. You remember it,
Julio Jones made an unbelievable catch on third down first
and tenant to twenty two because you don't need to
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throw the football, Am I right or wrong? You watch
that they were a passing team, No, but they were
not Ryan was the MVP for throwing the football. Do
what you do? No you I'm here, I don't do
I don't agree with that. I think that you do
what you do? You don't. You gotta be you, gotta
be smart you What the what the what? The forty
nine ers did best. He's running the football, so they
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got the chief. The Falcons got criticized for going away
from what n no, no, no, he's getting criticized here
for going away from what he did totally totally wrong
or I'm sorry. The Falcons got criticized for doing sticking
with somebody did how many? How many yards are they
having the first half? Running the football the Falcons, I mean,
I don't remember the sack. It was over one hundred
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and twenty five. They were moving the ball, running the football.
So my point is, when you're already in field goal range,
the word the two things you don't want is a
holding or a sack to take you out of field
goal range. The only way you get that is by
being in a in a passing situation. That's all I'm saying.
The people who watch Kyle Shanahan self destruct, he's a
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part of two of the worst uh two of the
h three because it was tied right ten points of
giving it up in the fourth quarter. Kyle Shanahan is
attached to two of them. He out there, he called
the game, and look, he made some mistakes. Like I
said to me, the biggest thing was at the end
of the first half how he handled that. And there
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were a couple of calls where he could have run
the ball. But he also he made the calls that
got them up twenty ten. He made the car that
got Emmanuel Sanders wide open. It was wasn't his fault,
that was Garoppolo. No, but you all missed the throw.
The dude was had his had the defenders beaten by
two steps. I still Chris take the play and when
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it's a whole different conversation. But you can't run the
ball twice is my point. I get it that I'm
not saying don't throw the ball at all and run
on every down. But it's about clock. What I'm about
two scores. It's about clocks. And I'm saying is if
they had gone three and out running the ball, people
still with have critics. No, but it was hot. Garoppolo
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was accurate. Put the ball, let him. It wasn't hot
he and scoring points in the fourth quarter? How was
he hot? He was hot through for the Hirst three quarters. No,
but I'm talking about in the fourth quarter they won't
didn't get any any points at that point. It was
like eight minutes left in the game, that one or
two one possession early when he didn't when he didn't
get it done point lead was six minutes to go.
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That was that. The Chiefs were in the middle of
their drive after they scored. All I'm saying is I
thought to myself, you gotta play this right. Yes, you
need some first downs, Yes you need a quarterback to
make a third down throw Chris if possible. But you
want to eat clock and you want to do what
you can. I'm just telling you. Uh, Kyle Shanahan to
me is officially the new Andy Reid. That's where I
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am with an overstate. He's the new Andy Weird. You
can't even give him that he had. Andy Reid is
one of the most successful regular season coaches in history.
I can't give Kyle. He's not on that level yet.
Yes he is, wow, because he's he's lost two of
the offensive giving it up in the giving it the
offensive quarter as a head coach, you can need cold
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those plays. I cannot put him in the class of Andy.
I'm saying Andy Reid before this Super Bowl win was
better than Kyle Shanahan. Yes, but to the Super Bowl
two out of the last three year coach. Yes, but
it was his offense, Chris, he made those calls. He's
the one who win again. Coach could have stopped him.
He could have said, look, we gotta start running the football, Kyle,
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what are you doing? He did, just stop him him
all I'm saying, if I'm a fan of the forty
nine ers, you would have thought he would have learned
his lessons. And the Patriots debacle, he didn't learn his lesson.
He went right back to the same well and then
made Jimmy Garoppolo. They you know, they got to the
Super Bowl. Jimmy Garoppolo completed six passes because he was
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running the football. And now he's gonna tell me against
you're gonna ask Jimmy. You're gonna ask Jimmy Bay Packers,
You're gonna ask Jimmy Garopolo. They knew Green Bay couldn't
rally on them. That was ridiculous. He was worried that's
why he's a bad coach. He's a bad coach. He's
a bad coach. He's not He choked it down twice
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in the last three Super Bowls. Kyle Shanahan, you people
in care you people in San Francisco, tell me I'm wrong,
tell me I'm I'm off. I'm off my rock, off
your rocker. They just went thirteen. Ain't nothing, Ain't nothing
wrong with your quarterback. It's about your coach. What was
it about your Shanahans fought that he missed Emmanuel Sanders
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by five yards. Shannahan, don't know what to do. Your
fater he missed, Oh my god, it so didn't stop
putting it all on him, No, because he did the
same thing against the Patriots and the cost uh the
found if I was a forty nine, If I was
a forty nine, I would have pulled that contract back
after watching at the bottle against the Patriots. I would
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have never let him be the coach of the forty
nine is that was the most ridiculous Super Bowl I've
ever seen turned over and given to another team. This
is just all fueled by your hatred or dislike Tom Brady.
I don't hate Tom Brady. I don't know Tom Brady
dislike I don't hate him. I don't dislike him. Looks
like as a player. Whatever the heck it is you
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got with Brady, whatever it is, Let let the call
is figured out. I don't I do with Tom Brady.
I just think lucky then roll U c k wise
how you smell it? Lucky? You are so often it's
first of all done. And I think Kyle shanahand is
a good coach, but don't dare put him in the
class of Andy Reid. What he did terrible. You've been
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talking for ten minutes. Kyle Shanahan is twenty three and
twenty five is a head coach. Andy Reid was arguably,
in my view, clearly a Hall of Famer. Before yesterday,
he'd been the six championship games in the conferences. How
in the world you're gonna put Kyle Shanahan in that class.
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That's number one, that's number one, number two, Kyle shannonhead
Are you protecting Garoppolo? Oh? I get it. I know
why because he was going to be the heir apparent
to Tom Brady. That's why. And for all those out
there who didn't think Patrick Mahomes deserved the MVP. This
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whole game was about Patrick Mahomes. We're not even talking
about that, are you going? That's not where we're going.
We're talking about don't change the top now, I'm not
Will you listen? Listen? You just went off for eight
minutes about Shanahan. My point is this, Kyle Shanahan froze
at the end of the first half because of his
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fear of Patrick Mahomes. He was afraid. He set it.
I didn't want to give them the ball back and
let them score before halftime. So instead of being aggressive
and trying to march with a minute forty five left,
he let the clock run out. That shows you the
power of Mahomes. He wasn't afraid that. Ain't got nothing
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to do with it. Stop standing himself. Did you read it?
He was getting the ball back to start the second half.
He said it himself, I don't want to give up anything.
I guess he was nine. Now he's not only a
bad coaching estimation, but he's a liar too. He wasn't
afraid of the Green Bay Packers because they owned the
green Bay Packers. They whipped them in the regular season.
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They ripped them in the playoffs. It's a different animal
with Patrick Mahomes. I've been telling you that, Chris, you
get off the highs. For three and a half quarters,
Patrick Mahomes looked like an ordinary quarterback who was awful
and could have lost that game. You wouldn't be in
here talking this nonsense. Had nothing for shat Ahead, who
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gave up the game. Indeed, he handed it to him
like candy, I'm ana you go and there you go.
You were stopatheticals. He weren't. You weren't doing all that
for three and a half quarters. He you didn't see you?
What was I knew you had him, you had on
It depends that's what you were doing at the Super
Bowl party. I'm not yours. I know you got a
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box ready for your Golden Girls cruise. Don't put that
on me. The designer depends too. I'm just saying, man,
look you're gonna sing here, really really rock. Kyle Shannon
had should have been fired after the game. I would
have been like, what this dude has choked down two
of the biggest collapses that history of the NFL. This
is the same guy, America. This is the same man
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that saying Andy Reid should have been fired had they
lost the first playoff game this year. They should have
been if he went. They didn't. They stopped against nobody.
They had to eat path. This is ludicrous. Andy Reid
has been a choke guardist. He finally won. You know
what this is how bad Andy Reid is. He is
first is he's the first head coach in the history
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all the favor in the history of the National Football
League who won a super Bowl after twenty years in
the league. You know why, because people don't last that
long when you don't win a championship. That's how to do.
People that don't win championships don't win running the regular season.
He won the years and the first head coach who
ever won a championship twenty years after being a head coach.
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That's how long he's been. It's been embarrassing the games
that he's low off. This is this is embarrassing. This take,
I mean really, this take is embarrassing. And there's a
lot of coaches that coach more than twenty years that
didn't win championship. Oh, it's if he's the first guy
to win one. He the first to win one. But
there's a lot they coach that long and never won.
Who coached twenty years? Yeah, you better, because nobody's been
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in the NFL twenty years as the head coach without win.
They don't win, they get fired in the regular seas,
they get fired away before twenty years of the coach
I winning the championship. How much blame does Kyle Shanahan
deserve for the full love it super Bowl lost yesterday.
I'm not even gonna throw out shitty before. I mean,
come on, really, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports
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Kansas City Chiefs. We said last hour, there's been a
lot of talk about them becoming a dynasty. Now I'm
I will say this. I am one that thinks they
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can be a great team for the next several years.
I don't know that they'll win it next year. I mean,
it's hard to win a Super Bowl, it really is.
That's one reason you gotta credit the Patriots so much.
But it's difficult to get back. It's difficult to win it.
Remember Roan Philadelphia, A lot of people thought they would
be a team that could. You know, they were young
and you know, and they're still a good team, but
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you know, who knows if they'll ever win the Super
Bowl again. Carolina with Cam Newton, it won right, he
has a great year. So Seahaw easy Seahawks even though that,
like their dynastya was about fulfilled. They went to two
Super Bowls and they lost one. Ye but they left
that one on the table. They left on the table.
But Chris, they weren't able to get back again, right,
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and they have Russell Wilson. Ain't nothing wrong with him.
He's still good. But as as you know, once you
have success and once you start paying people, the team change.
And that's why if you don't, you aren't able to
secure it. Really that second year before people start going
their separate ways and teams have to decide are we
keeping this guy? What are we doing? You know, it's
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it's it's hard, right, It definitely is hard. It's a challenge.
But um, several people are kind of comparing them to
the Golden State Warriors. So they're gonna choke when they
when they go undefeated sixteen and old, and then choke
if they win three out of five years, that'll be Uh,
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whether they choke one down the drain or not, that'll
be a heck of an achievement. So, uh, that'd be
I'm sure they would love to become the Golden State
Warriors and when three championships in the next five years
or two many, But they added a great play. I
don't know if you could really relate to them the
same way because with Steph and Draymond and Clay, they
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went to two when they won one and lost one,
you know what I mean. But I'm not so sure
Chris that without the addition of Durant that they were
gonna for sure win two more championship. I'm not convinced
to that. Well, yeah, maybe they would have won two.
I do think they would have won the next year.
I think they would have been so driven by, you know,
feeling like they gave away that one title that I
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think they would have came back. I had a tremendous
season and won it that next year. Now would they
have won two? That's you know that that's tough to say. Yeah,
I don't know. After being after giving up that one
with a three one lead, I'm just not so sure
that it would have been automatic. You know what I mean?
If despite the team they were, don't you think they
were the better team because they I think you agreement.
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And I'm not taking anything away from Cleveland because stuff happens.
I mean, we can any number of finals. We can
look at injuries that play the role or whatever it
may be. But I think if Draymond doesn't get suspended,
I would probably close them out right there in Golden
State in Game five. But my only problem with that
is all they had to do is win one game,
and they lost two of the three at home. Even
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with the Draymond. They had to win one of two
games at home christ and they couldn't do it. That's
the part that I think you look at and say, wow,
you know what I mean That that was to me
the part that made me question whether or not they
could make that happen. Well, anyway, the question is are
the Chiefs canny? Are they like the Warriors? And a
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lot of people are saying Michael Irvin actually said, is
he compared Patrick Mahomes to Steph Curry? And I see,
I get the comparisons, as far as you know, if
stylistically relative to their sports, they both score in bunches.
They both have to some degree, staff to agree greater degree.
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But they both changed the game. You know, Mahomes hasn't
changed it like Steph did. Step I mean Steph really
has completely changed the game of basketball with the three
point shot. I mean now it's nothing rob it used
to be. I mean you would never see guys shoot
from the hash mark and it was like especially not
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a normal jump shot. They might throw it up there
in some awkward way. That's commonplace now and you and
behind deeper than that, you know, a Trey Young and
Damian Lillard and these guys taking these long bombs from three.
So Steph has changed the game to a greater degree
than my Homes has. But I think my Homes has
changed a little. He's doing some things differently, you know,
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the no look past. It's not that they're that common
for him, but he does throw him. But I think
Mahomes is better potentially, I think he's better than Steph
relative to their sport. Because I think Mahomes, and obviously
I've been saying this, I think he's a guy that
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will eventually be in the goat conversation. I just when
you say that, I still cringe at it because I
just think of where you have to go. And he's
off to a good start, Chris, but so many things
can happen. It's a long row. Of course, he can
get hurt and even forget about Tom Brady six and
I and I don't think he has to win six.
But but I'm sure I don't think you do A
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group think that either. Well, but but I'm saying even that,
just the daunting of what's in front of you, of
of Joe Montana's four and oh is enough? Do you
know what I mean, like you can't have a lot.
But I'm not just taking this out of thin air.
I mean I watched and I know you watch the
game too. I'm not saying you don't, But I'm saying
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this on watching his talent, watching the way he plays
the game, watching the way he is in the clutch,
watching the way he is as a leader in his intangrals.
And again I think every so often a run are
I'm sorry, a player in various sports comes along that
has that type of ability. But when Lebron James was
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in high school, some people were saying he could one
day be better than Michael Jordan. That's similar to what
I'm saying. And yeah, but they were but he had
a shot. But but here's the only thing I'm saying,
a shot. That's all I'm saying. And even hold on,
even with Michael Jordans, Bobby Knight, the legendary coach, Bobby
Knight said during the eighty four when he was trying out,
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you know, he was on the Olympic team, Bobby Knight said,
this is the best basketball player I've ever seen. So
they're a guy you can watch the guy. I don't
just look at stats. I don't just look at accomplishments.
I watching the game and seeing how well a guy
plays it. Mike Trout, people are saying he could one
day become the best player of all time. Nobody saying
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they are at this point. I don't think it's out
of bounds. But for somebody to be able to look
at a player and how good they are at a
certain age and say, potentially, this guy could one day
be the greatest. But there are a lot of players
where people thought that they had they had that it,
or they thought like the start of their career. And
I'm not saying of but but but even but even
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the conversation you're talking about goat. Tom Brady won three
super Bowls in his first four years. Like, like that's
on the table. If you're talking about goat. That's what
I can't. It's not just that, No, but what you're
talking about you don't have again, you don't have to
win six. Kobe's got five, Lebron's got three. Most people
think Lebron's better than Kobe. So it's not just about
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he doesn't have to win. You think Montana is better
than Brady. He's won four, Yeah, but he's what he's four. No,
I'm just talking about the degree of difficulty of doing that.
That's all I'm saying. It's like it, That's all I'm saying.
So I can I just don't agree with you. Who
of you can't look at a guy early in his career. Okay,
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he's got the potential to be the greatest. Okay, that's
what I can't. I can't see it. I can't see Eric.
I didn't see. I didn't see my third season it
said he could be the greatest running back. Everyone that
I didn't say. I saw. I saw Barry Sending. I
didn't even see it with I never saw I didn't
see it with Tom Brady, I who else? I think him? Right?
Even even Michael Jordan, as great as he was. Chris
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I didn't think to myself through after his first seven
years that he was going to be the greatest player.
I knew he was a great player, but I didn't
I didn't think he was gonna win at that at
that rate, because it's not just that it's about winning.
It's not just about it's not just about number. You're
that good, you've got to win it. If you're that good,
you will win. I mean, I know there's a lot
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that goes into it's a lot of great players didn't win. No,
And I never said they weren't great players. But the
greatest there's no player that's the greatest ever in his
sport that's never won. The greatest player I ever saw
in baseball is Barry Bond. He didn't win well baseball
is okay. I'm just saying, no, you're right, But that's
a whole different I know. But I'm just giving Mike
Trout whatever example, that's different than basketball and football. We're
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talking about football bad baseball. Mike Trout, whether he becomes
the greatest ever, is not gonna be based on whether
he wins a World Series. I think that that's going
to count. I think that's going I'm gonna I said
the greatest that ever. So I'm talking about when people
but when people talk about it winning championships, they not
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as much in baseball. I just think that they do.
I'm not saying baseball, I'm not saying that you're you're
counted out because you didn't win a championship. Baseball you aren't.
I mean, in baseball, who's the greatest baseball player? I
said that I ever saw people would say what most
people say other than Babe Ruth, people would say right
at that time, people now, who would they say, Well,
what would say as far as war numbers, that would
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say Mike Trout is just a base I don't even
get to the playoffs. So I'm saying baseball is a
whole different hand law. But in basketball, in football, basketball,
you have to win championships. And so I agree. I mean,
I don't care what kind of numbers Mahomes puts up
if they're not if he doesn't win the several championships
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far more than this one. We talk about Aaron Rodgers
all the time. So a lot of people have said
he's the greatest they've seen throwing the football, but he's
only got one championship, so he's not gonna be in
that conversation saying with Dan Marino, no championships. So I
agree with you that Mahomes has to win and that
depends a lot on teammates, the organization, the coaches, injuries,
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all that. I get it, right, I don't. I'm not
a gain. I totally disagree with the notion that if
you know a sport, you can't look at somebody and
see how good they are and say, potentially he could
become the greatest ever. Okay, that's that's what That's what
we disagree. I think, you know, I think there's too many.
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I think, but I think there's too many. There's too
many land minds between here and the end of his
career with injury, football or stuff. Would say that. I mean,
of course you have to stay healthy, of course you
have to win. But I mean Tom Brady was not
doing what Patrick Mahomes doing. He was winning, but he
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wasn't always the driving force like Mahomes is. You know,
so I think Mahomes is better. We're talking about the
Warriors comparison, I think Mahomes is better than Steph Curry,
like as great as Steph is. And obviously, you know,
people that listen to the show know that. I think
he's an all time great, but he's never gonna be
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in the Gold Conversation. I don't think he's ever been
in the Gold conversation. And Patrick Mahomes, I think people
can look at him and say, yeah, one day, if
things break the right way, if he stays healthy, if
the team can stay together, and all that. But I
think could be that You're the only one I've heard
say that. And this is what I'm saying. Most people
Rod Woodson and saying I'm on the right track or
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just or just premature. That's what I think. Premature, That's
what most people think. That's what I'm saying. I don't
know people. Most of these people said, I'm right, he's
Jordan Nest. Most of the callers the premature to talk
about he could be that's gold talk. Jordan didn't even
win his first six or seven. But how was that
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jordanst Do you say nobody thought he could be the best?
People were he had come fly with me videos, he
had the signature sneaker that was selling. A lot of
people thought he was that before he even one. Oh,
I don't think anybody Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan never won.
I don't think people agreed about but people were looking
at him as that potential. That's all I'm saying. I
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just what I don't get. I look, I'm I'm not
saying I know sports better than a lot of people,
but I know him enough to watch somebody play football
and be able to say, this guy could be the
best running back we've ever seen. This guy could be
the best quarterback we've ever seen. Same in basketball.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. I'm not going
to gloat. I'm not robbed. I know you probably thought
I'm gonna come in here and throw everything in your face.
I'm not facts or facts. I pick Kansas City to
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win it all. In the preseason. You called me a
prisoner at the moment, I said Patrick Mahomes Jordan esque.
You called me a prisoner at a moment. I said,
Lamar Jackson's gonna win the a unanimous MVP. You said
I was a prisoner at a moment. I want that
to change. I no longer want you to call me
the prisoner of the moment. I want the profit of
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the moment. I want profit of the moment. Rob Parker,
no more prisoner of the moment from you. Next time,
just listen. Last year, I said it was the Patriots.
This year, I said it was the Chiefs. If you're nice,
I'll tell you next year who's gonna win it too.
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And here we go, just keeping I want profit of them.
Don't don't bring up regular season. No no, don't tell
me what to talk about. Don't tell me what you
talk about. Oh no, okay, it's still Let me go.
Let me go. You're gonna bring up the regularly. Hell
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I know is a brother, a brother named Chris. Chris
Pick was nine and two in the playoffs. I've won
the regular season that I couldn't care less out to
regular season record. I am Kawhi Bruce. So he's so
about the playoffs and nine and two in the playoffs, Chris,
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you you were like six and five or something like that.
This is where we are with Chris Bussard. Chris Bussard
is captain obvious everything yet him hear me out, Jordan,
let me talk. Every pick every year is of the favorite.
It the favorite. No, you're not right. That about being
right or eything about being just say it's hitting picking
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the act. So you picked the Astros, you pick you
also picked the Warriors. All you ever do wouldn't pick
if they have hurt. Anybody can pick the favorites, Chris,
that's all you do that Kansas City was the favorite.
They didn't upset anybody. They were the favorite. They are
doing the most money. No, he's not about being right.
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You never step out and go on the limb to
make it real. Pa, you're too easy. He's not going
out on the limb. No, he was me. He was
the MVP last year. He wasn't rip me. He was
the MVP last year. You went on the limb to
pick at the MVP from last year. So now that
ain't going on to lims. You just you just say
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something to get clicked. No, I don't say something. I've
been worrying about the limb. I don't worry about anybody.
I worry about what I think. Right, you every favorite
or not? You pick Cleveland to make the playoffs. I
was at the Cowboys. These are or Howard All Cowboys
have went like three playoff games in twenty five years.
That's that's the obvious. Yeah, he hadn't made the playoffs,
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and who knows that he picks out all of his picks. Picks.
This is all you got. You can't be that captain
Obvious is who Chris? We saw this tonight. You want
super Hi Jacksonville and uh Houston next year for the
Super Bowl, just so he can be different. No, when
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I went on the limb about being cool, I went
on pack the Washington National to win the world. Nice.
That's nice. I also when I picked Toronto in six games? Yeah,
you injuries on it? Also picked the Lakers to make
the playoffs, didn't happen. Also picked Lebron James V. I
mean when you picked out All I'm saying is, Chris,
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your record is it wasn't not busy obvious pick every
to give me your upset. Give me the one time
you picked it up it was right? Was Lamar Jackson
supposed to be unanium? No, I'm telling you about it.
Can I hear the answer? Chris? Can you answer my question?
Give me a game where you an when you picked
an upset? He hasn't picked an upset I made because
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I don't think it's gonna be an upset. But you've
been wrong. I'm just saying who was well? Why are
you bringing up past history? Who was right yesterday? I'm
just telling where was right? This sea? Anybody could a
blind man could have picked. They would have favorite, They
would have favored you. You didn't pick up. No, I
was wrong this one. That's fine. I'm good with Mark
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just picking. I got two or the three, the three
championship off two or the three championships. This year, I
was right. I was right with the right, with the Nationals,
and I was wrong on this game. That's okay. I'll
take two out of three props one and three. How
could you be a profit one in three? Lamar? You
you may have picked the obvious. Pick Kansas City. Everybody
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in the uncle picked the favorite. Favorite? What are you talking?
And was the favorite? You didn't pick them? Skip didn't
pick up I gotta roll in. Shannon Sharp, who lost
my homes, didn't pick them? Some stop it with the
Captain Obvious. It was that what your favorite? Last twenty
four hours thinking about this is how I'm gonna come back, Chris.
I'm going to come one him, Captain Obvious. What it
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tells you about Shannon and Skip at me is that
we just don't follow the pack. We take a look
at the game, Chris. Everybody ever, I said it. I
already said I was no. But Ida is a little
weak not not becoming of you. All I'm telling you
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is you pick every big game, you picked up your favorite.
If you want to beat your chest for picking the
favorite better than this, I'm just telling you I thought
you were better than That's what. Maybe maybe now though
you will. Is Patrick Mahomes off to a jordan Esque start? No,
I can use that term. Not after I watched the
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seven minutes he went to champions him what three years?
Four years before Jordan? Maybe? Is that? Why? No? That
Jordan was getting swept out of the playoffs at this
point of h just so he's better than Jordan. Why
why I'm saying that start? Jordan didn't win this first time.
Tom Brady won three championships in his first four years,
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So call it Brady esque. I don't know why would
you call it jordanst. You just said Jordan didn't win
for six years, so how could he be jordanst? That
doesn't make any I'm gonna tell you why. This is
how he's jordanste. If you had watched my videos and
listen to me when I said it here, you wouldn't know.
Michael Jordan was clearly before he was even winning titles
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on the level above even the other greats. You could
see it other greats. Twenty points is the barometer for him.
It was thirty and Patrick Mahomes is on another level.
That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying he's Jordan yet,
because he's obviously gotta win a lot more to become Jordan,
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but I'm saying he's off to a jordanst start. Individually,
his statistics are off the chain, and now he's got
a championship. And furthermore, he was clutch. You're right, he
struggled through the first three quarters, I'll admit that, but
when the money was on the line, when the game
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was on the line, he came through in flying colors.
That is what Michael Jordan to do. Jordan had plenty
of nine for twenty six, shooting nine for twenty five,
shooting nine for twenty two shooting in playoff games, finals games.
But when the money was on the line, when somebody
needs to make a play, whether it was the past,
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the shot, the still, Jordan got it done. And that's
what this dude is doing. That's what he did last night.
Garoppolo did play better than him through the first three quarters,
but he's when it was money time, he delivered. He's
got the physical tools, the intangibles. He picked up Tyreek
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Hill and the rest of the Chiefs when they thought
it was over, and then he delivered. You gotta give
him that. And I don't know what athlete, maybe Tom
Brady says. You said he won three in his first
four years. But from an individual level, this is arguably
the best start to a career in team sports. Got
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he's the youngest ever to win the MVP Award in
the second year, first as a starter, and then he
won the Super Bowl in his second year as a starter.
And to find and the Super Bowl didn't Brady win
his first year? Brady won three, but didn't he win
the start the first but he didn't have the individual accolades,
but that that my homes had. Yeah, I think the
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team standpoint, I think it's gonna be hard, even in
Brady's case. And vine Terry had a lot to do
with those championships early on, right, he wasn't driving, but
he won three out of four his first four years.
So we'll see. So you you you jordanst I'm not there.
I'm just not there. I'm just not God. I said,
I'm the prophet I'm just not I'm the prophet of them.
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You want to wait, you're talking about me, captain I
have you want to wait to well, let me see
when he's won four championships. Just say it's not my Hey,
that's not my nature. I'm just I'm not that all
you gotta do. I've never been pre time. I just
have a couple of dreads. From all I'm saying is
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it'll help you, Rob. Just start listening. That's all the
brothers saying. You want to mock. I ain't about mocking.
I'm about marketing anything. You're right, I'm the pom. But
it's not prisoner of the moment. It's the profit of
the moment, all right. Be sure to catch live editions
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Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. I'm gonna let you
go ahead. You want to blame this on Shanahan. You
want to say that this wasn't so much about the
Chiefs winning it and taking the title as it was
about Kyle Shanahan giving it up. And so I'm gonna
give you the floor and then I'll respond it's just
the we've seen this movie before, and I think a
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lot of forty Niner fans were just disappoint Uch, you
could have run the ball and maybe you don't get
the yards or whatever it is, and I think people
could live with that, do you, Yeah, I do. Let
me just ask you this. I do, because what if
they had run the ball and they ran it effectively
for the most part, there were times the chief shot
I just showed you the last fourteen plays that way
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threw it. They threw it, went through twelve and rushed
only two. I'm just saying at the end of the
game with the clock, but if you still had to
get first down, no, I understand you. I'm not saying
not to throw at all, Okay, but if they if
they had run it and got three and out, four
and out, whatever, run it every down on third down
to ten, then you gotta throw it. I get that.
So I'm just saying, like to it's it's overly simplistic
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to just say they should have run the ball. I
don't think it's overly I must saying that more critical
of Shanahan for how he handled the end of the
first half. I just don't like like just basically conceding, Okay,
we're going with a ten ten tie, not trying to
be aggressive and score. You could have had the ball
with like a minute forty five left and three two
time outs and you just basically let the clock run
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out and you showed Kittle on that. Now Grady was
called for pass interference, but that showed you could have
moved the ball down the field or at least you
had a good change. But I also thought that he
knew that he was getting the ball in the second half, right,
the scores tied, and we didn't want to make a
mistake there. I'm not gonna ki, I'm not gonna kill
him there like I'm making when you got to be aggressive.
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I mean, it worked out and it worked for him,
But I'm just saying, and this thing, we saw this
before with with giving Tom Brady time Chris and not
running the football. Greg brought up to play. You remember it,
Julio Jones made an unbelievable catch on third down first
and tenant to twenty two because you don't need to
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throw the football, Am I right or wrong? You watch
that they were a passing team, No, but they were
not Ryan was the MVP for throwing the football. Do
what you do? No you I'm here, I don't do
I don't agree with that. I think that you do
what you do? You don't. You gotta be you, gotta
be smart you What the what the what? The forty
nine ers did best. He's running the football, so they
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got the chief. The Falcons got criticized for going away
from what n no, no, no, he's getting criticized here
for going away from what he did totally totally wrong
or I'm sorry. The Falcons got criticized for doing sticking
with somebody did how many? How many yards are they
having the first half? Running the football the Falcons, I mean,
I don't remember the sack. It was over one hundred
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and twenty five. They were moving the ball, running the football.
So my point is, when you're already in field goal range,
the word the two things you don't want is a
holding or a sack to take you out of field
goal range. The only way you get that is by
being in a in a passing situation. That's all I'm saying.
The people who watch Kyle Shanahan self destruct, he's a
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part of two of the worst uh two of the
h three because it was tied right ten points of
giving it up in the fourth quarter. Kyle Shanahan is
attached to two of them. He out there, he called
the game, and look, he made some mistakes. Like I
said to me, the biggest thing was at the end
of the first half how he handled that. And there
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were a couple of calls where he could have run
the ball. But he also he made the calls that
got them up twenty ten. He made the car that
got Emmanuel Sanders wide open. It was wasn't his fault,
that was Garoppolo. No, but you all missed the throw.
The dude was had his had the defenders beaten by
two steps. I still Chris take the play and when
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it's a whole different conversation. But you can't run the
ball twice is my point. I get it that I'm
not saying don't throw the ball at all and run
on every down. But it's about clock. What I'm about
two scores. It's about clocks. And I'm saying is if
they had gone three and out running the ball, people
still with have critics. No, but it was hot. Garoppolo
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was accurate. Put the ball, let him. It wasn't hot
he and scoring points in the fourth quarter? How was
he hot? He was hot through for the Hirst three quarters. No,
but I'm talking about in the fourth quarter they won't
didn't get any any points at that point. It was
like eight minutes left in the game, that one or
two one possession early when he didn't when he didn't
get it done point lead was six minutes to go.
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That was that. The Chiefs were in the middle of
their drive after they scored. All I'm saying is I
thought to myself, you gotta play this right. Yes, you
need some first downs, Yes you need a quarterback to
make a third down throw Chris if possible. But you
want to eat clock and you want to do what
you can. I'm just telling you. Uh, Kyle Shanahan to
me is officially the new Andy Reid. That's where I
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am with an overstate. He's the new Andy Weird. You
can't even give him that he had. Andy Reid is
one of the most successful regular season coaches in history.
I can't give Kyle. He's not on that level yet.
Yes he is, wow, because he's he's lost two of
the offensive giving it up in the giving it the
offensive quarter as a head coach, you can need cold
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those plays. I cannot put him in the class of Andy.
I'm saying Andy Reid before this Super Bowl win was
better than Kyle Shanahan. Yes, but to the Super Bowl
two out of the last three year coach. Yes, but
it was his offense, Chris, he made those calls. He's
the one who win again. Coach could have stopped him.
He could have said, look, we gotta start running the football, Kyle,
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what are you doing? He did, just stop him him
all I'm saying, if I'm a fan of the forty
nine ers, you would have thought he would have learned
his lessons. And the Patriots debacle, he didn't learn his lesson.
He went right back to the same well and then
made Jimmy Garoppolo. They you know, they got to the
Super Bowl. Jimmy Garoppolo completed six passes because he was
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running the football. And now he's gonna tell me against
you're gonna ask Jimmy. You're gonna ask Jimmy Bay Packers,
You're gonna ask Jimmy Garopolo. They knew Green Bay couldn't
rally on them. That was ridiculous. He was worried that's
why he's a bad coach. He's a bad coach. He's
a bad coach. He's not He choked it down twice
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in the last three Super Bowls. Kyle Shanahan, you people
in care you people in San Francisco, tell me I'm wrong,
tell me I'm I'm off. I'm off my rock, off
your rocker. They just went thirteen. Ain't nothing, Ain't nothing
wrong with your quarterback. It's about your coach. What was
it about your Shanahans fought that he missed Emmanuel Sanders
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by five yards. Shannahan, don't know what to do. Your
fater he missed, Oh my god, it so didn't stop
putting it all on him, No, because he did the
same thing against the Patriots and the cost uh the
found if I was a forty nine, If I was
a forty nine, I would have pulled that contract back
after watching at the bottle against the Patriots. I would
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have never let him be the coach of the forty
nine is that was the most ridiculous Super Bowl I've
ever seen turned over and given to another team. This
is just all fueled by your hatred or dislike Tom Brady.
I don't hate Tom Brady. I don't know Tom Brady
dislike I don't hate him. I don't dislike him. Looks
like as a player. Whatever the heck it is you
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got with Brady, whatever it is, Let let the call
is figured out. I don't I do with Tom Brady.
I just think lucky then roll U c k wise
how you smell it? Lucky? You are so often it's
first of all done. And I think Kyle shanahand is
a good coach, but don't dare put him in the
class of Andy Reid. What he did terrible. You've been
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talking for ten minutes. Kyle Shanahan is twenty three and
twenty five is a head coach. Andy Reid was arguably,
in my view, clearly a Hall of Famer. Before yesterday,
he'd been the six championship games in the conferences. How
in the world you're gonna put Kyle Shanahan in that class.
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That's number one, that's number one, number two, Kyle shannonhead
Are you protecting Garoppolo? Oh? I get it. I know
why because he was going to be the heir apparent
to Tom Brady. That's why. And for all those out
there who didn't think Patrick Mahomes deserved the MVP. This
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whole game was about Patrick Mahomes. We're not even talking
about that, are you going? That's not where we're going.
We're talking about don't change the top now, I'm not
Will you listen? Listen? You just went off for eight
minutes about Shanahan. My point is this, Kyle Shanahan froze
at the end of the first half because of his
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fear of Patrick Mahomes. He was afraid. He set it.
I didn't want to give them the ball back and
let them score before halftime. So instead of being aggressive
and trying to march with a minute forty five left,
he let the clock run out. That shows you the
power of Mahomes. He wasn't afraid that. Ain't got nothing
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to do with it. Stop standing himself. Did you read it?
He was getting the ball back to start the second half.
He said it himself, I don't want to give up anything.
I guess he was nine. Now he's not only a
bad coaching estimation, but he's a liar too. He wasn't
afraid of the Green Bay Packers because they owned the
green Bay Packers. They whipped them in the regular season.
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They ripped them in the playoffs. It's a different animal
with Patrick Mahomes. I've been telling you that, Chris, you
get off the highs. For three and a half quarters,
Patrick Mahomes looked like an ordinary quarterback who was awful
and could have lost that game. You wouldn't be in
here talking this nonsense. Had nothing for shat Ahead, who
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gave up the game. Indeed, he handed it to him
like candy, I'm ana you go and there you go.
You were stopatheticals. He weren't. You weren't doing all that
for three and a half quarters. He you didn't see you?
What was I knew you had him, you had on
It depends that's what you were doing at the Super
Bowl party. I'm not yours. I know you got a
(21:04):
box ready for your Golden Girls cruise. Don't put that
on me. The designer depends too. I'm just saying, man,
look you're gonna sing here, really really rock. Kyle Shannon
had should have been fired after the game. I would
have been like, what this dude has choked down two
of the biggest collapses that history of the NFL. This
is the same guy, America. This is the same man
(21:29):
that saying Andy Reid should have been fired had they
lost the first playoff game this year. They should have
been if he went. They didn't. They stopped against nobody.
They had to eat path. This is ludicrous. Andy Reid
has been a choke guardist. He finally won. You know
what this is how bad Andy Reid is. He is
first is he's the first head coach in the history
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all the favor in the history of the National Football
League who won a super Bowl after twenty years in
the league. You know why, because people don't last that
long when you don't win a championship. That's how to do.
People that don't win championships don't win running the regular season.
He won the years and the first head coach who
ever won a championship twenty years after being a head coach.
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That's how long he's been. It's been embarrassing the games
that he's low off. This is this is embarrassing. This take,
I mean really, this take is embarrassing. And there's a
lot of coaches that coach more than twenty years that
didn't win championship. Oh, it's if he's the first guy
to win one. He the first to win one. But
there's a lot they coach that long and never won.
Who coached twenty years? Yeah, you better, because nobody's been
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in the NFL twenty years as the head coach without win.
They don't win, they get fired in the regular seas,
they get fired away before twenty years of the coach
I winning the championship. How much blame does Kyle Shanahan
deserve for the full love it super Bowl lost yesterday.
I'm not even gonna throw out shitty before. I mean,
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Kansas City Chiefs. We said last hour, there's been a
lot of talk about them becoming a dynasty. Now I'm
I will say this. I am one that thinks they
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can be a great team for the next several years.
I don't know that they'll win it next year. I mean,
it's hard to win a Super Bowl, it really is.
That's one reason you gotta credit the Patriots so much.
But it's difficult to get back. It's difficult to win it.
Remember Roan Philadelphia, A lot of people thought they would
be a team that could. You know, they were young
and you know, and they're still a good team, but
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you know, who knows if they'll ever win the Super
Bowl again. Carolina with Cam Newton, it won right, he
has a great year. So Seahaw easy Seahawks even though that,
like their dynastya was about fulfilled. They went to two
Super Bowls and they lost one. Ye but they left
that one on the table. They left on the table.
But Chris, they weren't able to get back again, right,
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and they have Russell Wilson. Ain't nothing wrong with him.
He's still good. But as as you know, once you
have success and once you start paying people, the team change.
And that's why if you don't, you aren't able to
secure it. Really that second year before people start going
their separate ways and teams have to decide are we
keeping this guy? What are we doing? You know, it's
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it's it's hard, right, It definitely is hard. It's a challenge.
But um, several people are kind of comparing them to
the Golden State Warriors. So they're gonna choke when they
when they go undefeated sixteen and old, and then choke
if they win three out of five years, that'll be Uh,
(24:45):
whether they choke one down the drain or not, that'll
be a heck of an achievement. So, uh, that'd be
I'm sure they would love to become the Golden State
Warriors and when three championships in the next five years
or two many, But they added a great play. I
don't know if you could really relate to them the
same way because with Steph and Draymond and Clay, they
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went to two when they won one and lost one,
you know what I mean. But I'm not so sure
Chris that without the addition of Durant that they were
gonna for sure win two more championship. I'm not convinced
to that. Well, yeah, maybe they would have won two.
I do think they would have won the next year.
I think they would have been so driven by, you know,
feeling like they gave away that one title that I
(25:30):
think they would have came back. I had a tremendous
season and won it that next year. Now would they
have won two? That's you know that that's tough to say. Yeah,
I don't know. After being after giving up that one
with a three one lead, I'm just not so sure
that it would have been automatic. You know what I mean?
If despite the team they were, don't you think they
were the better team because they I think you agreement.
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And I'm not taking anything away from Cleveland because stuff happens.
I mean, we can any number of finals. We can
look at injuries that play the role or whatever it
may be. But I think if Draymond doesn't get suspended,
I would probably close them out right there in Golden
State in Game five. But my only problem with that
is all they had to do is win one game,
and they lost two of the three at home. Even
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with the Draymond. They had to win one of two
games at home christ and they couldn't do it. That's
the part that I think you look at and say, wow,
you know what I mean That that was to me
the part that made me question whether or not they
could make that happen. Well, anyway, the question is are
the Chiefs canny? Are they like the Warriors? And a
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lot of people are saying Michael Irvin actually said, is
he compared Patrick Mahomes to Steph Curry? And I see,
I get the comparisons, as far as you know, if
stylistically relative to their sports, they both score in bunches.
They both have to some degree, staff to agree greater degree.
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But they both changed the game. You know, Mahomes hasn't
changed it like Steph did. Step I mean Steph really
has completely changed the game of basketball with the three
point shot. I mean now it's nothing rob it used
to be. I mean you would never see guys shoot
from the hash mark and it was like especially not
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a normal jump shot. They might throw it up there
in some awkward way. That's commonplace now and you and
behind deeper than that, you know, a Trey Young and
Damian Lillard and these guys taking these long bombs from three.
So Steph has changed the game to a greater degree
than my Homes has. But I think my Homes has
changed a little. He's doing some things differently, you know,
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the no look past. It's not that they're that common
for him, but he does throw him. But I think
Mahomes is better potentially, I think he's better than Steph
relative to their sport. Because I think Mahomes, and obviously
I've been saying this, I think he's a guy that
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will eventually be in the goat conversation. I just when
you say that, I still cringe at it because I
just think of where you have to go. And he's
off to a good start, Chris, but so many things
can happen. It's a long row. Of course, he can
get hurt and even forget about Tom Brady six and
I and I don't think he has to win six.
But but I'm sure I don't think you do A
(28:25):
group think that either. Well, but but I'm saying even that,
just the daunting of what's in front of you, of
of Joe Montana's four and oh is enough? Do you
know what I mean, like you can't have a lot.
But I'm not just taking this out of thin air.
I mean I watched and I know you watch the
game too. I'm not saying you don't, But I'm saying
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this on watching his talent, watching the way he plays
the game, watching the way he is in the clutch,
watching the way he is as a leader in his intangrals.
And again I think every so often a run are
I'm sorry, a player in various sports comes along that
has that type of ability. But when Lebron James was
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in high school, some people were saying he could one
day be better than Michael Jordan. That's similar to what
I'm saying. And yeah, but they were but he had
a shot. But but here's the only thing I'm saying,
a shot. That's all I'm saying. And even hold on,
even with Michael Jordans, Bobby Knight, the legendary coach, Bobby
Knight said during the eighty four when he was trying out,
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you know, he was on the Olympic team, Bobby Knight said,
this is the best basketball player I've ever seen. So
they're a guy you can watch the guy. I don't
just look at stats. I don't just look at accomplishments.
I watching the game and seeing how well a guy
plays it. Mike Trout, people are saying he could one
day become the best player of all time. Nobody saying
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they are at this point. I don't think it's out
of bounds. But for somebody to be able to look
at a player and how good they are at a
certain age and say, potentially, this guy could one day
be the greatest. But there are a lot of players
where people thought that they had they had that it,
or they thought like the start of their career. And
I'm not saying of but but but even but even
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the conversation you're talking about goat. Tom Brady won three
super Bowls in his first four years. Like, like that's
on the table. If you're talking about goat. That's what
I can't. It's not just that, No, but what you're
talking about you don't have again, you don't have to
win six. Kobe's got five, Lebron's got three. Most people
think Lebron's better than Kobe. So it's not just about
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he doesn't have to win. You think Montana is better
than Brady. He's won four, Yeah, but he's what he's four. No,
I'm just talking about the degree of difficulty of doing that.
That's all I'm saying. It's like it, That's all I'm saying.
So I can I just don't agree with you. Who
of you can't look at a guy early in his career. Okay,
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he's got the potential to be the greatest. Okay, that's
what I can't. I can't see it. I can't see Eric.
I didn't see. I didn't see my third season it
said he could be the greatest running back. Everyone that
I didn't say. I saw. I saw Barry Sending. I
didn't even see it with I never saw I didn't
see it with Tom Brady, I who else? I think him? Right?
Even even Michael Jordan, as great as he was. Chris
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I didn't think to myself through after his first seven
years that he was going to be the greatest player.
I knew he was a great player, but I didn't
I didn't think he was gonna win at that at
that rate, because it's not just that it's about winning.
It's not just about it's not just about number. You're
that good, you've got to win it. If you're that good,
you will win. I mean, I know there's a lot
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that goes into it's a lot of great players didn't win. No,
And I never said they weren't great players. But the
greatest there's no player that's the greatest ever in his
sport that's never won. The greatest player I ever saw
in baseball is Barry Bond. He didn't win well baseball
is okay. I'm just saying, no, you're right, But that's
a whole different I know. But I'm just giving Mike
Trout whatever example, that's different than basketball and football. We're
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talking about football bad baseball. Mike Trout, whether he becomes
the greatest ever, is not gonna be based on whether
he wins a World Series. I think that that's going
to count. I think that's going I'm gonna I said
the greatest that ever. So I'm talking about when people
but when people talk about it winning championships, they not
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as much in baseball. I just think that they do.
I'm not saying baseball, I'm not saying that you're you're
counted out because you didn't win a championship. Baseball you aren't.
I mean, in baseball, who's the greatest baseball player? I
said that I ever saw people would say what most
people say other than Babe Ruth, people would say right
at that time, people now, who would they say, Well,
what would say as far as war numbers, that would
(32:51):
say Mike Trout is just a base I don't even
get to the playoffs. So I'm saying baseball is a
whole different hand law. But in basketball, in football, basketball,
you have to win championships. And so I agree. I mean,
I don't care what kind of numbers Mahomes puts up
if they're not if he doesn't win the several championships
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far more than this one. We talk about Aaron Rodgers
all the time. So a lot of people have said
he's the greatest they've seen throwing the football, but he's
only got one championship, so he's not gonna be in
that conversation saying with Dan Marino, no championships. So I
agree with you that Mahomes has to win and that
depends a lot on teammates, the organization, the coaches, injuries,
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all that. I get it, right, I don't. I'm not
a gain. I totally disagree with the notion that if
you know a sport, you can't look at somebody and
see how good they are and say, potentially he could
become the greatest ever. Okay, that's that's what That's what
we disagree. I think, you know, I think there's too many.
(33:55):
I think, but I think there's too many. There's too
many land minds between here and the end of his
career with injury, football or stuff. Would say that. I mean,
of course you have to stay healthy, of course you
have to win. But I mean Tom Brady was not
doing what Patrick Mahomes doing. He was winning, but he
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wasn't always the driving force like Mahomes is. You know,
so I think Mahomes is better. We're talking about the
Warriors comparison, I think Mahomes is better than Steph Curry,
like as great as Steph is. And obviously, you know,
people that listen to the show know that. I think
he's an all time great, but he's never gonna be
(34:35):
in the Gold Conversation. I don't think he's ever been
in the Gold conversation. And Patrick Mahomes, I think people
can look at him and say, yeah, one day, if
things break the right way, if he stays healthy, if
the team can stay together, and all that. But I
think could be that You're the only one I've heard
say that. And this is what I'm saying. Most people
Rod Woodson and saying I'm on the right track or
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just or just premature. That's what I think. Premature, That's
what most people think. That's what I'm saying. I don't
know people. Most of these people said, I'm right, he's
Jordan Nest. Most of the callers the premature to talk
about he could be that's gold talk. Jordan didn't even
win his first six or seven. But how was that
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jordanst Do you say nobody thought he could be the best?
People were he had come fly with me videos, he
had the signature sneaker that was selling. A lot of
people thought he was that before he even one. Oh,
I don't think anybody Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan never won.
I don't think people agreed about but people were looking
at him as that potential. That's all I'm saying. I
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just what I don't get. I look, I'm I'm not
saying I know sports better than a lot of people,
but I know him enough to watch somebody play football
and be able to say, this guy could be the
best running back we've ever seen. This guy could be
the best quarterback we've ever seen. Same in basketball.
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