March 20, 2020 • 30 mins
It's The Best of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob discuss whether or not we should believe that the Patriots never even gave Tom Brady a chance to return to New England, explained why the Patriot Way doesn't seem to work outside of New England, and debate if Brady's time in Tampa Bay is going to look more like the first few years of Peyton Manning's tenure in Denver (when he put up record numbers) or his last year (when he got benched).
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brusso and Rod Harker. One little quick
thing and then let's get into the show, because we
got plenty to talk about. But I did get a thing.
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them and cash out. I mean, you don't make a
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internet now? Yeah, but these are a little different. But anyway, okay,
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I'm just saying it's crazy. But anyway, rob G, what
what about it? You got something? Yeah, acts that it's
not it's not magic. See. They hate to step out
of our comfort zone like that. But the Little Darlings
Gentleman's Club in Vegas. Yes, they they put out on
Hold on, I'm if y'all listening. We're on in Vegas,
rob Gi, Yes, Little Darlings. No, that sounds like pedophilia
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to me. No, come on, I know it's never but
that's a horrible name. Little Darlings. Would you prefer Spearman Rhino?
Sounds like a gum? Yeah, okay, don't something that reminds
me of tiny little girls. Okay, that's not what we're
going All right, here's the story. No, Their director of
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guests who request further separation, we will be offering drive
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will continue to be part of the fabric of American
life that drive drive by or drive through? What does
it drive drive through? Okay? Rob? See, how'd you find
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out about that? You on? You on their email list too?
Like text email you personally? No, he's going to a
couple of bachelor parties and he's on the text list.
I expect that from Rob. He's single. Whatever. You're a
married man with baby Aria. I have been married forever, Chris. Yeah,
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but you married now? I been married five years this year,
this year? Right? What's your wife think about you getting
these emails? It's not an email, it's a news alert, Chris?
What she think about you getting these news alist showed
that she thought it was funny. He thought it was gross,
but she thought it was funny gross. And you know what, Rob,
ge what you've been married five years? So five years
and a month you were at this place. You know
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it's true? Right? All right? As I mentioned earlier, Tom
Brady made it official. Not the two years sixty million
that was being reported the past few days, but he
signs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers two years, fifty million,
all of it guaranteed. And then there's nine and a
half million dollars in incentives, So if he hits certain incentives,
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that could end up basically being sixty million, but only
fifty of the fifty million guaranteed. Now, what's interesting about this, Rob,
is that Ian Rappaport, great reporter for the NFL network,
he came out and he says he has a really
interesting tweet. I'm just gonna read his tweet because it
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just it was interesting. He says this, the Patriots likely
would have done this contract, so they would have gave him,
basically saying they would have gave him two years fifty million.
Though Tom Brady never came to them with his desire
to return, so there was no offer from New England.
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In the end, only the Bucks and the Chargers made offers.
The Raiders sat it out as well, never offering Brady
a deal. Rob quickly, I know you got a lot
to say on this. I'm just gonna say this, this
sounds like Patriots spinn to me, this sounds like spend.
First of all, there was the report that they offered
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him one year at a pay cut. That was a
few days ago. So that's number one. You know, you know,
believe what you want. But there was a report about
that already. I didn't see any denials from the Patriots
on that, and they were getting criticized at time in
certain quarters for that. And I just think this, secondly,
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why is it on Brady? Why is it on him
to go to them and say, I want to be back.
If you want the man, make him an offer. You
made him that that cheap offer reportedly, If you want him,
make him a better offer. If you would have given
him two years fifty million, you could have done it
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last year coming off the Super Bowl number one, and
you could have just done it, you know, in the
last several days or so. So I think, Look, the
Patriots have been getting criticized up in Boston. Fans aren't happy.
They think, not only did you throw away if there
were any remnants or remainder of this dynasty, you gave
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it all up, and fans are upset. So I think
Rob the Patriots are putting out spin. That's how I
look at this, don't I don't disagree, And I'm with you.
It's not up for Tom Brady when they told him,
Chris and you know this, to go out and check
the market. What what what market? Is there a check? Right?
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If you really want somebody. I don't care what other
people talking about. What will all they had to do
call a meeting with him and his agent? What is
it gonna take to keep you on a Patriots uniform
for your entire career. That's what we want to get
done here and make it out. I don't believe for
one second Bill Belichick would have been cool with signing
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Tom Brady two a two year, guaranteed contract. I don't
believe that, not for one second. Oh, had he come back,
we would have matched that. You believe that, Chris, No,
I don't believe you're right. I agree with you on this.
And Tampa Bay, no matter what talent they have on
that roster, because they haven't made the playoffs in twelve years,
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they had to pay the bad team tax. You know
what that is? You had to tack on an extra
year for an aging quarterback? Am I right? They had? Right?
And I said it, Rob, I get Look, obviously I'm
a Brady supporter and I believe in him, but I
get it he's gonna be forty three. I understand why
a team would want it to be year to year, right,
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And like you said that, Tampa Bay couldn't afford that luxury.
The Chargers, they just had to give him the two
years right getting there? Right? And Tampa Bay. You think
they could play hardball with Tom Brady? Oh no, we
were not doing two years. One year and that's it,
you know, really right? And I got to wear this
ugly uniforms starting quarterback to day, that's for sure, right,
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I mean seriously, So they already knew that they had
to do what they had to do. This a notion
or the Patriots trying to clean it up, spend it
let people, No, Oh no, we wanted Tom. Tom made
this decision. I told you, Chris, the day they told
him to go check the market was the last day
that Tom Brady was gonna be there. Because you don't
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do that to people who you really like or you
really want, you know, to stick around. You don't tell
people to go check the market and come back with
an offer. Ye them people come back. Do you think
that there's any remorse or second guessing of themselves on
the Patriots part, I don't think so. I think they
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knew what they were doing the whole time. I don't
believe so they just don't want to get all a
brunt of it. You know what I mean, it's still
to part from a guy like that who a lot
of people love and consider this great quarterback. You're gonna
get criticism, so as you're softened the blow. We saw
Bob Kraft doing the media tour. Anybody, I think, anybody
with two strings in a can in their basement, he
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would have called our boy, stephen A. You know what
I mean, right, this is what I'm saying, right, Yeah, no,
I hear you. And he kind of said the same
thing he told stephen A. Stephen A said that Tim
didn't want to come back, right, That's what I and
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I think, Rob. Look, the more I think about it,
the more I think, Look, he doesn't have Belichick. Belichick
is a great coach, fantastic, phenomenal coach. We get it.
Aaron's isn't bad though. Aaron's a good coach. And the
bottom lines, he's got a ton more weapons, so he
might be he doesn't have to go through I know
he's got a tough road to hole in the NFC,
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but you don't have to go through Pat Mahomes, you
don't have to go through Lamar Jackson. So you know,
in some ways he might be in a better situation.
But I do think Rob, had Tom Brady had his druthers,
he would still be in a Patriots uniform. You agree
with that. If if yeah, if he could have it
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to respect, you know, And I believe that because it's
something special. I always say this. You can talk about
people Derek get awarded Yankee uniform for twenty years, he
was a Yankee. You didn't see him playing for the
Marlins or some terrible franchise, do you know what I mean?
In his last two years, he was only in that uniform,
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Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. There was a
big trade today. A guy we had on our show
back at Super Bowl. You remember the great cornerback for
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the Detroit Lions, Darius Slay, And he was traded. Yes, yes,
he was traded to Philadelphia. Great he came up, you know,
not only did he come up in that he went
to a better team and he, you know, has a
great chance of being in the playoffs and even competing
for Super Bowls. But he also got a three year,
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fifty million dollars extension with the Trade, so good for him.
But it has come out he says that he lost
all respect for the Lions coach Matt Patricia because Patricia
said something to him that was really just out of
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something you shouldn't say to another man. Foul. Yeah, foul,
that's a great way to put it. Very foul. It's
too foul to say on this air. And that's saying
at all. You talking about Magic City and all that,
but anyway, it's much fouler than that. And he said
it to Slay, and Slay lost all respect for him
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as a man. And let's face it, Matt Patricia is
lucky he still got a job, am I right? I
mean if we don't Bob going as a general manager.
Bob Quinn came from New England, I mean Lions or
New England West Chris. He's taking so many play people,
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you know, right, But I'm saying, but he's brought a
lot of people from New England. And that's how Matt
Patricia got that job. When Bob Quinn fired, um, I
just forgot his name. Jim Carwell. Jim Carwell. He said
that wasn't good enough. Remember that that wasn't good enough.
Didn't card well make the playoffs two out of two
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of his last three, two of his last three. So so, Chris,
I mean, normally you'd be happy for that. Most guys
would get an extension in Detroit. Man, he got shown
the door. And now Matt Patricia has won a total
of nine games, Chris, in his first two years, a
total of nine. He's nine twenty two and one to
be terrible, absolutely terrible. And uh yeah, and all he's
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had is problems with the players since he got there.
And and uh, you know, obviously I worked there for
twenty two years, Chris, I'm you know, still tied in
with a lot of people there. And I don't hear
any good stuff about Matt Patricia. I just don't coming
out of Detroit. Well, that doesn't make him unique when
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you talk about a lot of the Belichick disciples and
the Belichick coaching tree. While he may be the goat,
may his coaching tree is far from goldish. Bill O'Brien, Now,
I do give Bill O'Brien credit in Houston from making
four playoff appearances. I give him credit for that. However,
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he hasn't been able to get them even close to
over the hump. And as a GM now he's horrible,
and he's traded away David and Clowney and just recently
traded away arguably the best receiver in the league, DeAndre
Hopkins for a broken down running back that he really
didn't need in my view, Mike Rabel. Now, Rabel's done
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well at Tennessee eighteen and fourteen. Overall, got the playoff appearance,
Man Genie, who was just has on the show. Yeah, Man,
Genie was pretty good, you know, in Cleveland and with
the Jets. Overall, there his records thirty three, forty seven,
one playoff appearance, Josh McDaniels eleven and seventeen, Romeo Cornell
twenty eight and fifty five. Brian Flores, who did a
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good job in his first year in Miami even though
they were only five and eleven. We'll see where he
goes on to be. But Rob, why do you think,
I mean, whether he cheats or not, or has cheated
or not, Belichick's success is undeniable. Why do you think
his disciples haven't been able to replicate that success anywhere?
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Because I don't know if there's Uh. I don't know
if there's some real magic formula that Bill has. I mean,
he's had success. He's always been taping, you know. Ye,
there you go. But the only the one thing that
he was a great defensive coordinator with the Giants, Chris,
we know that won two Super Bowls, right, but he
had lt right, right, he had a hell of a defensive.
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You go back to those teams and look at the
players called banks. I mean you could go Harry Carson,
Harry Carson, right, you could go back and back and
look at some of those players on that team. They
were they were tremendous, they're tremendous players. But it was
his defense. He was the defensive coordinator. And he's put
together really good defenses as well for the for the Patriots.
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I don't know what else. So, so those guys, it's
not about being gruff or tough, it's not about being
all that stuff. Chris, I think he's a defensive Uh,
I guess genius or one of them. Yeah. I hate
to use that word with a guy who's cheated, especially defensively,
but he's had a lot of success on the defensive
side of the ball. But I don't know, I think
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a lot of those guys leave New England. They come
with their Super Bowl rings right, which they've gotten along
the way, and they feel like, you gotta respect me.
I'm a winner. Look at these rings right right, and
they're gonna copy Bill style. Gruff. Uh, don't care about anybody,
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you know, I've treat everybody the same. You can't do
that when you haven't been a head coach, and you
have and you don't have the track record. They that's nice.
Oh you're on Bill belichick squad. You're on his coaching
staff with Tom Brady. Oh that's nice. What are you?
What have you done? Seriously, what have you done? I
think you're making a great point. And I said it
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a few days ago, and I'm gonna say it again.
I think it bears repeating. I think Belichick was fortunate
to get a superstar, a guy that became a superstar
who had the humility, had the personality to just take
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that type of coaching. And I'm not gonna say he
did anything. I don't know what he's done, but I'm
not gonna say he's done anything like Matt Patricia. You know, Mat,
But Matt Patricia said to Darius Slay and you can
look it up online. It's there was out of hand.
And I'm not gonna say Bill Belichick has said anything
like that to his players, but clearly you said it.
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Rob tough, coach, hard nosed, treats everybody the same. Tom
Brady has treated just like Julian Edelman or Sony Michelle
or whoever it may be, or the long snappers, the
forty eighth man on the team or whatever, and Brady
could take it. Brady handled it. And because he became
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you know, he won three Super Bowls in his first
four years. By that point, whether he was you know,
lighting the league up statistically or not, he was a
three time Super Bowl champion. He was a superstar at
that point. And when him falling in line, every other
player in the locker room had no choice but to
fall in line. Same thing about the San Antonio Spurs,
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Greg Popovich. Look at Popovich before Tim Duncan came, nothing special,
you know, no no great track record or anything like that.
Was an assistant coach and was the GM in San
Antonio and then took over as the head coach the
year David Robinson was hurt and you know, kept the
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job and then dunk. They draft Duncan because they were
so bad with Robinson being hurt, but built Greg Popovitch
similar coaching style and also similar with the media, right,
I mean Belichick, Popovich none, neither of them great with
the media. And that's kind of become some of their stick.
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Be loved for that, right that? What was that Mat
Patricia with the reporter from the ESPN reporter for the
Lions in Detroit. Remember he made a big deal about
him slouching right, like like the media thing, like you
should be worried about making the playoffs instead of how
the media is sitting in a eat. He made a
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big stink over it. Yeah, and maybe that some of
that was the influence of Belichick, But with Popovitch he
gets Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is a superstar, a unique
superstar who allowed Popovitch, always says that he allowed Popovitch
to coach him, allowed Popovitch to yell at him, treat
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him like any other player like the eleventh, twelfth man
on the roster. And again, just like Brady, he was
so great that when he takes it and he falls
in line, then all the other players had to do
the same. And I think what you've seen is the
Belichick disciples. When they go elsewhere, they try to do
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that same type of coaching that Belichick does. Again, I'm
not saying he's ever gone as far as Patricia, but
they try to do the same type of thing, and
they don't have that superstar who has that type of
personality who's going to fall in line let everybody, you know,
let the coach talk to him a certain way in
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front of everybody and take it and set that tone
that everybody else kind of wants to follow because he's
such a winner in the locker room. So I think
it's the two things. I think it's what you said.
Number one, that these guys step into their new surroundings
and they think they have the credibility of several championships,
but they really don't because they were just they're just
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viewed as assistance. And then on top of that, I
don't think they get that superstar who falls in line,
is in lockstep with the coach and his philosophy and
sets that tone that everyone in the locker room is
up following. Yep. And I think that that's another reason.
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But but I think it's it's unbelievable the track record
that nobody else and Gray Bull is on his way,
Chris with them with the season he had this year,
and you already said it, what is he fourteen and eighteen?
So he's eighteen, He's eighteen and fourteen, eighteen and fourteen.
So that's not a bad start, you know when you
when you two years won for over five hundred Yeah,
and you had a nice playoff run and uh so,
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so it's it is a little alarming that nobody else
has been able to emerge. But I don't know if
if Bill belichick style is copiable, do you know what
I mean? Can be copied? Right? I don't. I don't know.
And and because everything just seemed to work out. If
you think about Belichick in the beginning, and Eric Mangini
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talked about it, Brady wasn't Brady early on Chris Adam
VENETTERI right, they had a great kicker, and they want
they won those three Super Bowls by the skin of
their teeth. They it was like that, and I think
that's what Bill got some of his juice. When you
put together a football team. And if you remember when
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they beat the Rams and that Super Bowl, they were
double digit underdogs. I mean, they had the best show
on turf and Bill Belichick was in charge of the defense.
Well right, and Rob Man Jeanie pointed out, and I've
pointed out several times Belichick, I mean, we made one
playoff in five years in Cleveland, you know, and they
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Randy Mali Cleveland got fired. And then with the media,
you remember that he was, Yeah, he was really that
paid a part. And I actually remember I was covering
high school sports in the area around that time, and
I did think I thought Belichick was good, but he
once he bitched Bernie Kozar and for Vinnie tests of Verdi.
You know, Kozar was beloved in Ohio and because he's
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from Youngstown, and that just I mean, the media already
didn't like him because he was, you know, he was
the way he is now, but that just really soured
everybody in northeast Ohio on him. I thought it was
a mistake at the time, but Bob lines he still
got fired. He only made the playoffs once out of
five times. And then in New England, as Man Jinnie said,
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he five and eleven his first year, so he developed
that cashe just like Brady, they both kind of did.
Once you win three super Bowls in four years. Now
you're on a whole different level. You can kind of
do things the way you want. They didn't have to
win again, and people still would have looked at it
as why right, that's how big that is, no doubt,
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no doubt. So yeah, it's interesting though that none of
his assistants have really been able to go on and
have anything close to the success that he had. Fox
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to listen live. I don't think it's that big of
a coincidence. I don't think it's much of a coincidence
at all, because of the way the timing the free agency.
It's gonna happen here and there. But Brady does end
up signing on the eight year anniversary of the day
when Peyton Manning signed with Denver. So I'm gonna ask
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you this. We know how it went for Manning in Denver.
He goes there and absolutely lights the place up. First
year years old and no, right he was, well, he
was thirty six. Huge difference, I'll give you that, huge difference.
And he had an injury, serious injury, very serious neck injury,
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kept him out for a whole year because I really
thought he was taking a chance Chris even coming back. No,
you're right, God forbid if he gets blindsided, him gets
popped and that next springs back, what you know, be paralyzed.
I really didn't know now it was it was. He
definitely showed a lot of courage in getting out there,
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because you're right, it was. It was a bad injury.
But anyway, lights it up. Second year breaks all types
of records. Throws for almost fifty five hundred yards in
an NFL record, UH throws for fifty five touchdowns and
NFL record, and throws for like three hundred and forty
two yards a game and NFL record. It was unbelievable.
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But then he didn't win the Super Bowl though, until
his fourth year, which was actually his worst one, not
only in Denver, but pretty much the worst of his career.
He struggled early, but I say that year during the
season he got bench During that season for bl Right,
he got better and then Brock was awful that they
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put him by Right. So he interestingly, he had the
two phenomenal individual seas, actually three his third year wasn't
bad either, through for thirty nine touchdowns and almost three
hundred yards of game. His third year in Denver and
then fourth fell off. But let me ask you, this
is he going to be? Is Tom Brady and Tampa
going to be closer to the Peyton Manning of those
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first two or three years or the Peyton Manning of
the fourth year who was horrible but yet ended up
winning the Super Bowl. I think Tom Brady's gonna wind
up being closer to the Peyton Manning of the fourth
and fifty year. I know he didn't officially play, but
that's how bad Brady o'll beat these two years, the
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last year and and Peyton Manning fifth year what he
had to retire after he failed to throw a touchdown
in the Super Bowl and I think he had ninety
yards you failed to touch throw a touchdown? To saying
he was a favorite phrase, he's Peyton Manning. Tom Brady, whoever,
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let me find don't let me find one of your
guys that, uh that didn't throw a touchdown that won
a Super Bowl. I would love to hear that, all right,
but go ahead, I'm sorry. Yeah, so I'm just saying
that I think he's gonna be closer to that. I
think the wheels will fall off in Tampa. It'll end
very badly, but people will say, oh, well, he gave
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it a shot. He's forty three. He has a built
an excuse if it doesn't work out. He really because
he's because he's old, So people will be forgiving. People
will will will still you know, oh he gave it
a try. You know. I all the sympathy so he
can't lose. Tom Brady is going to win. But I
don't believe he's the same quarterback. And I saw it
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last year. I think he is going to be closer
to the Peyton Manning of the first three years. Now.
I don't He's not gonna break records, all right. He's
not gonna throw for fifty five touchdowns in five thousand
yards and all that stuff. He's not gonna do all that.
But I think he will be a very productive quarterback.
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I said it last year. Rob. You know this isn't
you know Johnny come lately second guessing any of that stuff.
I said it all last year. He's no longer good
enough to carry mediocre talent, But give him some talent
and he'll be fine. And with Mike Evans and Chris Godwinning,
Cameron Braden, o J. Howard, and you know they'll find
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a decent running back. You know, that offensive line which
they've already upgraded. He will be fine. I think he'll
be close to the patent of the first and third
years in Denver. And I think there'll be a tough team.
I'm not predicting a super Bowl, but I think they will,
especially with the extra team now seven teams in each
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conference making the playoffs. I think they can go ten
and six, maybe eleven and five, as man Jeanie said,
and get in those playoffs. And you know, maybe the
second year he might fall off because you don't know
when it's gonna happen. Heck, for all we know, it
may have already happened and we just haven't he hadn't
been on the football field yet to show it. But
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Peyton manning third year in Denver, forty seven hundred plus yards,
thirty nine touchdowns, almost three hundred yards a game, then
all of a sudden robb as you mentioned, the fourth year,
he throws for twenty less than twenty three hundred yards,
nine touchdowns, seventeen interceptions, and it was bad. And it's
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interesting that that's the year he won the Super Bowl.
You know what I mean? They have but they had
an unbelievable defense. Remember incredible, well incredible Cam Newton had
put together an MVP season. He was they were fifteen
and one. They were blowing everybody out and they stopped him.
They got to Cam Newton and they won a super Bowl.
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That that was a super Bowl Carolina should have won
by two touchdowns. Well interesting, you remember in twenty thirteen,
that's the year Manning broke all their record and I
thought that was going to be a fantastic super Bowl.
I thought it was gonna be great. Um, and I
was actually pulling for Manny because I thought it was
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history in the making after his great regular season, and
I really wanted to see some history made. But Seattlogist
demolished him forty three to eight, and so it's interest
that was over. Don't you remember he had a he
had a safety. He was just he had a safety
in the first the first possession. It was over and
it wasn't it something like that, like, but wasn't it
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a safety? Were down ten old quickly? I believe, Yeah,
safety on the first play of the game and that
was it. It was just downhill from there.
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Couple with Chris Brusso and Rod Harker. One little quick
thing and then let's get into the show, because we
got plenty to talk about. But I did get a thing.
Remember I mentioned before about Magic City in Atlanta. I'm sorry,
I just have to they have They're so smart. Close friends,
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you just got all this free time on your hand.
I get's gonna know what you're doing. Twenty four hour Access,
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twenty dollars and you just got a dealer. Yeah, DM
them and cash out. I mean, you don't make a
habit of this, But isn't that stuff free on the
internet now? Yeah, but these are a little different. But anyway, okay,
did it if you paying your twenty dollars? It says
interactive lap dancers an interactive States set. Don't say that.
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I'm just saying it's crazy. But anyway, rob G, what
what about it? You got something? Yeah, acts that it's
not it's not magic. See. They hate to step out
of our comfort zone like that. But the Little Darlings
Gentleman's Club in Vegas. Yes, they they put out on
Hold on, I'm if y'all listening. We're on in Vegas,
rob Gi, Yes, Little Darlings. No, that sounds like pedophilia
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to me. No, come on, I know it's never but
that's a horrible name. Little Darlings. Would you prefer Spearman Rhino?
Sounds like a gum? Yeah, okay, don't something that reminds
me of tiny little girls. Okay, that's not what we're
going All right, here's the story. No, Their director of
operations put out an official statement. He says, for those
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guests who request further separation, we will be offering drive
through strip shows starting tomorrow. America's a free country. Strippers
will continue to be part of the fabric of American
life that drive drive by or drive through? What does
it drive drive through? Okay? Rob? See, how'd you find
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out about that? You on? You on their email list too?
Like text email you personally? No, he's going to a
couple of bachelor parties and he's on the text list.
I expect that from Rob. He's single. Whatever. You're a
married man with baby Aria. I have been married forever, Chris. Yeah,
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but you married now? I been married five years this year,
this year? Right? What's your wife think about you getting
these emails? It's not an email, it's a news alert, Chris?
What she think about you getting these news alist showed
that she thought it was funny. He thought it was gross,
but she thought it was funny gross. And you know what, Rob,
ge what you've been married five years? So five years
and a month you were at this place. You know
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it's true? Right? All right? As I mentioned earlier, Tom
Brady made it official. Not the two years sixty million
that was being reported the past few days, but he
signs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers two years, fifty million,
all of it guaranteed. And then there's nine and a
half million dollars in incentives, So if he hits certain incentives,
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that could end up basically being sixty million, but only
fifty of the fifty million guaranteed. Now, what's interesting about this, Rob,
is that Ian Rappaport, great reporter for the NFL network,
he came out and he says he has a really
interesting tweet. I'm just gonna read his tweet because it
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just it was interesting. He says this, the Patriots likely
would have done this contract, so they would have gave him,
basically saying they would have gave him two years fifty million.
Though Tom Brady never came to them with his desire
to return, so there was no offer from New England.
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In the end, only the Bucks and the Chargers made offers.
The Raiders sat it out as well, never offering Brady
a deal. Rob quickly, I know you got a lot
to say on this. I'm just gonna say this, this
sounds like Patriots spinn to me, this sounds like spend.
First of all, there was the report that they offered
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him one year at a pay cut. That was a
few days ago. So that's number one. You know, you know,
believe what you want. But there was a report about
that already. I didn't see any denials from the Patriots
on that, and they were getting criticized at time in
certain quarters for that. And I just think this, secondly,
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why is it on Brady? Why is it on him
to go to them and say, I want to be back.
If you want the man, make him an offer. You
made him that that cheap offer reportedly, If you want him,
make him a better offer. If you would have given
him two years fifty million, you could have done it
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last year coming off the Super Bowl number one, and
you could have just done it, you know, in the
last several days or so. So I think, Look, the
Patriots have been getting criticized up in Boston. Fans aren't happy.
They think, not only did you throw away if there
were any remnants or remainder of this dynasty, you gave
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it all up, and fans are upset. So I think
Rob the Patriots are putting out spin. That's how I
look at this, don't I don't disagree, And I'm with you.
It's not up for Tom Brady when they told him,
Chris and you know this, to go out and check
the market. What what what market? Is there a check? Right?
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If you really want somebody. I don't care what other
people talking about. What will all they had to do
call a meeting with him and his agent? What is
it gonna take to keep you on a Patriots uniform
for your entire career. That's what we want to get
done here and make it out. I don't believe for
one second Bill Belichick would have been cool with signing
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Tom Brady two a two year, guaranteed contract. I don't
believe that, not for one second. Oh, had he come back,
we would have matched that. You believe that, Chris, No,
I don't believe you're right. I agree with you on this.
And Tampa Bay, no matter what talent they have on
that roster, because they haven't made the playoffs in twelve years,
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they had to pay the bad team tax. You know
what that is? You had to tack on an extra
year for an aging quarterback? Am I right? They had? Right?
And I said it, Rob, I get Look, obviously I'm
a Brady supporter and I believe in him, but I
get it he's gonna be forty three. I understand why
a team would want it to be year to year, right,
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And like you said that, Tampa Bay couldn't afford that luxury.
The Chargers, they just had to give him the two
years right getting there? Right? And Tampa Bay. You think
they could play hardball with Tom Brady? Oh no, we
were not doing two years. One year and that's it,
you know, really right? And I got to wear this
ugly uniforms starting quarterback to day, that's for sure, right,
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I mean seriously, So they already knew that they had
to do what they had to do. This a notion
or the Patriots trying to clean it up, spend it
let people, No, Oh no, we wanted Tom. Tom made
this decision. I told you, Chris, the day they told
him to go check the market was the last day
that Tom Brady was gonna be there. Because you don't
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do that to people who you really like or you
really want, you know, to stick around. You don't tell
people to go check the market and come back with
an offer. Ye them people come back. Do you think
that there's any remorse or second guessing of themselves on
the Patriots part, I don't think so. I think they
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knew what they were doing the whole time. I don't
believe so they just don't want to get all a
brunt of it. You know what I mean, it's still
to part from a guy like that who a lot
of people love and consider this great quarterback. You're gonna
get criticism, so as you're softened the blow. We saw
Bob Kraft doing the media tour. Anybody, I think, anybody
with two strings in a can in their basement, he
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would have called our boy, stephen A. You know what
I mean, right, this is what I'm saying, right, Yeah, no,
I hear you. And he kind of said the same
thing he told stephen A. Stephen A said that Tim
didn't want to come back, right, That's what I and
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I think, Rob. Look, the more I think about it,
the more I think, Look, he doesn't have Belichick. Belichick
is a great coach, fantastic, phenomenal coach. We get it.
Aaron's isn't bad though. Aaron's a good coach. And the
bottom lines, he's got a ton more weapons, so he
might be he doesn't have to go through I know
he's got a tough road to hole in the NFC,
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but you don't have to go through Pat Mahomes, you
don't have to go through Lamar Jackson. So you know,
in some ways he might be in a better situation.
But I do think Rob, had Tom Brady had his druthers,
he would still be in a Patriots uniform. You agree
with that. If if yeah, if he could have it
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to respect, you know, And I believe that because it's
something special. I always say this. You can talk about
people Derek get awarded Yankee uniform for twenty years, he
was a Yankee. You didn't see him playing for the
Marlins or some terrible franchise, do you know what I mean?
In his last two years, he was only in that uniform,
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and that's something special. Be sure to catch live editions
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Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. There was a
big trade today. A guy we had on our show
back at Super Bowl. You remember the great cornerback for
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the Detroit Lions, Darius Slay, And he was traded. Yes, yes,
he was traded to Philadelphia. Great he came up, you know,
not only did he come up in that he went
to a better team and he, you know, has a
great chance of being in the playoffs and even competing
for Super Bowls. But he also got a three year,
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fifty million dollars extension with the Trade, so good for him.
But it has come out he says that he lost
all respect for the Lions coach Matt Patricia because Patricia
said something to him that was really just out of
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something you shouldn't say to another man. Foul. Yeah, foul,
that's a great way to put it. Very foul. It's
too foul to say on this air. And that's saying
at all. You talking about Magic City and all that,
but anyway, it's much fouler than that. And he said
it to Slay, and Slay lost all respect for him
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as a man. And let's face it, Matt Patricia is
lucky he still got a job, am I right? I
mean if we don't Bob going as a general manager.
Bob Quinn came from New England, I mean Lions or
New England West Chris. He's taking so many play people,
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you know, right, But I'm saying, but he's brought a
lot of people from New England. And that's how Matt
Patricia got that job. When Bob Quinn fired, um, I
just forgot his name. Jim Carwell. Jim Carwell. He said
that wasn't good enough. Remember that that wasn't good enough.
Didn't card well make the playoffs two out of two
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of his last three, two of his last three. So so, Chris,
I mean, normally you'd be happy for that. Most guys
would get an extension in Detroit. Man, he got shown
the door. And now Matt Patricia has won a total
of nine games, Chris, in his first two years, a
total of nine. He's nine twenty two and one to
be terrible, absolutely terrible. And uh yeah, and all he's
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had is problems with the players since he got there.
And and uh, you know, obviously I worked there for
twenty two years, Chris, I'm you know, still tied in
with a lot of people there. And I don't hear
any good stuff about Matt Patricia. I just don't coming
out of Detroit. Well, that doesn't make him unique when
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you talk about a lot of the Belichick disciples and
the Belichick coaching tree. While he may be the goat,
may his coaching tree is far from goldish. Bill O'Brien, Now,
I do give Bill O'Brien credit in Houston from making
four playoff appearances. I give him credit for that. However,
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he hasn't been able to get them even close to
over the hump. And as a GM now he's horrible,
and he's traded away David and Clowney and just recently
traded away arguably the best receiver in the league, DeAndre
Hopkins for a broken down running back that he really
didn't need in my view, Mike Rabel. Now, Rabel's done
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well at Tennessee eighteen and fourteen. Overall, got the playoff appearance,
Man Genie, who was just has on the show. Yeah, Man,
Genie was pretty good, you know, in Cleveland and with
the Jets. Overall, there his records thirty three, forty seven,
one playoff appearance, Josh McDaniels eleven and seventeen, Romeo Cornell
twenty eight and fifty five. Brian Flores, who did a
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good job in his first year in Miami even though
they were only five and eleven. We'll see where he
goes on to be. But Rob, why do you think,
I mean, whether he cheats or not, or has cheated
or not, Belichick's success is undeniable. Why do you think
his disciples haven't been able to replicate that success anywhere?
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Because I don't know if there's Uh. I don't know
if there's some real magic formula that Bill has. I mean,
he's had success. He's always been taping, you know. Ye,
there you go. But the only the one thing that
he was a great defensive coordinator with the Giants, Chris,
we know that won two Super Bowls, right, but he
had lt right, right, he had a hell of a defensive.
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You go back to those teams and look at the
players called banks. I mean you could go Harry Carson,
Harry Carson, right, you could go back and back and
look at some of those players on that team. They
were they were tremendous, they're tremendous players. But it was
his defense. He was the defensive coordinator. And he's put
together really good defenses as well for the for the Patriots.
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I don't know what else. So, so those guys, it's
not about being gruff or tough, it's not about being
all that stuff. Chris, I think he's a defensive Uh,
I guess genius or one of them. Yeah. I hate
to use that word with a guy who's cheated, especially defensively,
but he's had a lot of success on the defensive
side of the ball. But I don't know, I think
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a lot of those guys leave New England. They come
with their Super Bowl rings right, which they've gotten along
the way, and they feel like, you gotta respect me.
I'm a winner. Look at these rings right right, and
they're gonna copy Bill style. Gruff. Uh, don't care about anybody,
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you know, I've treat everybody the same. You can't do
that when you haven't been a head coach, and you
have and you don't have the track record. They that's nice.
Oh you're on Bill belichick squad. You're on his coaching
staff with Tom Brady. Oh that's nice. What are you?
What have you done? Seriously, what have you done? I
think you're making a great point. And I said it
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a few days ago, and I'm gonna say it again.
I think it bears repeating. I think Belichick was fortunate
to get a superstar, a guy that became a superstar
who had the humility, had the personality to just take
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that type of coaching. And I'm not gonna say he
did anything. I don't know what he's done, but I'm
not gonna say he's done anything like Matt Patricia. You know, Mat,
But Matt Patricia said to Darius Slay and you can
look it up online. It's there was out of hand.
And I'm not gonna say Bill Belichick has said anything
like that to his players, but clearly you said it.
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Rob tough, coach, hard nosed, treats everybody the same. Tom
Brady has treated just like Julian Edelman or Sony Michelle
or whoever it may be, or the long snappers, the
forty eighth man on the team or whatever, and Brady
could take it. Brady handled it. And because he became
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you know, he won three Super Bowls in his first
four years. By that point, whether he was you know,
lighting the league up statistically or not, he was a
three time Super Bowl champion. He was a superstar at
that point. And when him falling in line, every other
player in the locker room had no choice but to
fall in line. Same thing about the San Antonio Spurs,
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Greg Popovich. Look at Popovich before Tim Duncan came, nothing special,
you know, no no great track record or anything like that.
Was an assistant coach and was the GM in San
Antonio and then took over as the head coach the
year David Robinson was hurt and you know, kept the
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job and then dunk. They draft Duncan because they were
so bad with Robinson being hurt, but built Greg Popovitch
similar coaching style and also similar with the media, right,
I mean Belichick, Popovich none, neither of them great with
the media. And that's kind of become some of their stick.
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Be loved for that, right that? What was that Mat
Patricia with the reporter from the ESPN reporter for the
Lions in Detroit. Remember he made a big deal about
him slouching right, like like the media thing, like you
should be worried about making the playoffs instead of how
the media is sitting in a eat. He made a
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big stink over it. Yeah, and maybe that some of
that was the influence of Belichick, But with Popovitch he
gets Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is a superstar, a unique
superstar who allowed Popovitch, always says that he allowed Popovitch
to coach him, allowed Popovitch to yell at him, treat
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him like any other player like the eleventh, twelfth man
on the roster. And again, just like Brady, he was
so great that when he takes it and he falls
in line, then all the other players had to do
the same. And I think what you've seen is the
Belichick disciples. When they go elsewhere, they try to do
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that same type of coaching that Belichick does. Again, I'm
not saying he's ever gone as far as Patricia, but
they try to do the same type of thing, and
they don't have that superstar who has that type of
personality who's going to fall in line let everybody, you know,
let the coach talk to him a certain way in
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front of everybody and take it and set that tone
that everybody else kind of wants to follow because he's
such a winner in the locker room. So I think
it's the two things. I think it's what you said.
Number one, that these guys step into their new surroundings
and they think they have the credibility of several championships,
but they really don't because they were just they're just
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viewed as assistance. And then on top of that, I
don't think they get that superstar who falls in line,
is in lockstep with the coach and his philosophy and
sets that tone that everyone in the locker room is
up following. Yep. And I think that that's another reason.
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But but I think it's it's unbelievable the track record
that nobody else and Gray Bull is on his way,
Chris with them with the season he had this year,
and you already said it, what is he fourteen and eighteen?
So he's eighteen, He's eighteen and fourteen, eighteen and fourteen.
So that's not a bad start, you know when you
when you two years won for over five hundred Yeah,
and you had a nice playoff run and uh so,
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so it's it is a little alarming that nobody else
has been able to emerge. But I don't know if
if Bill belichick style is copiable, do you know what
I mean? Can be copied? Right? I don't. I don't know.
And and because everything just seemed to work out. If
you think about Belichick in the beginning, and Eric Mangini
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talked about it, Brady wasn't Brady early on Chris Adam
VENETTERI right, they had a great kicker, and they want
they won those three Super Bowls by the skin of
their teeth. They it was like that, and I think
that's what Bill got some of his juice. When you
put together a football team. And if you remember when
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they beat the Rams and that Super Bowl, they were
double digit underdogs. I mean, they had the best show
on turf and Bill Belichick was in charge of the defense.
Well right, and Rob Man Jeanie pointed out, and I've
pointed out several times Belichick, I mean, we made one
playoff in five years in Cleveland, you know, and they
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Randy Mali Cleveland got fired. And then with the media,
you remember that he was, Yeah, he was really that
paid a part. And I actually remember I was covering
high school sports in the area around that time, and
I did think I thought Belichick was good, but he
once he bitched Bernie Kozar and for Vinnie tests of Verdi.
You know, Kozar was beloved in Ohio and because he's
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from Youngstown, and that just I mean, the media already
didn't like him because he was, you know, he was
the way he is now, but that just really soured
everybody in northeast Ohio on him. I thought it was
a mistake at the time, but Bob lines he still
got fired. He only made the playoffs once out of
five times. And then in New England, as Man Jinnie said,
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he five and eleven his first year, so he developed
that cashe just like Brady, they both kind of did.
Once you win three super Bowls in four years. Now
you're on a whole different level. You can kind of
do things the way you want. They didn't have to
win again, and people still would have looked at it
as why right, that's how big that is, no doubt,
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no doubt. So yeah, it's interesting though that none of
his assistants have really been able to go on and
have anything close to the success that he had. Fox
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to listen live. I don't think it's that big of
a coincidence. I don't think it's much of a coincidence
at all, because of the way the timing the free agency.
It's gonna happen here and there. But Brady does end
up signing on the eight year anniversary of the day
when Peyton Manning signed with Denver. So I'm gonna ask
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you this. We know how it went for Manning in Denver.
He goes there and absolutely lights the place up. First
year years old and no, right he was, well, he
was thirty six. Huge difference, I'll give you that, huge difference.
And he had an injury, serious injury, very serious neck injury,
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kept him out for a whole year because I really
thought he was taking a chance Chris even coming back. No,
you're right, God forbid if he gets blindsided, him gets
popped and that next springs back, what you know, be paralyzed.
I really didn't know now it was it was. He
definitely showed a lot of courage in getting out there,
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because you're right, it was. It was a bad injury.
But anyway, lights it up. Second year breaks all types
of records. Throws for almost fifty five hundred yards in
an NFL record, UH throws for fifty five touchdowns and
NFL record, and throws for like three hundred and forty
two yards a game and NFL record. It was unbelievable.
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But then he didn't win the Super Bowl though, until
his fourth year, which was actually his worst one, not
only in Denver, but pretty much the worst of his career.
He struggled early, but I say that year during the
season he got bench During that season for bl Right,
he got better and then Brock was awful that they
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put him by Right. So he interestingly, he had the
two phenomenal individual seas, actually three his third year wasn't
bad either, through for thirty nine touchdowns and almost three
hundred yards of game. His third year in Denver and
then fourth fell off. But let me ask you, this
is he going to be? Is Tom Brady and Tampa
going to be closer to the Peyton Manning of those
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first two or three years or the Peyton Manning of
the fourth year who was horrible but yet ended up
winning the Super Bowl. I think Tom Brady's gonna wind
up being closer to the Peyton Manning of the fourth
and fifty year. I know he didn't officially play, but
that's how bad Brady o'll beat these two years, the
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last year and and Peyton Manning fifth year what he
had to retire after he failed to throw a touchdown
in the Super Bowl and I think he had ninety
yards you failed to touch throw a touchdown? To saying
he was a favorite phrase, he's Peyton Manning. Tom Brady, whoever,
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let me find don't let me find one of your
guys that, uh that didn't throw a touchdown that won
a Super Bowl. I would love to hear that, all right,
but go ahead, I'm sorry. Yeah, so I'm just saying
that I think he's gonna be closer to that. I
think the wheels will fall off in Tampa. It'll end
very badly, but people will say, oh, well, he gave
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it a shot. He's forty three. He has a built
an excuse if it doesn't work out. He really because
he's because he's old, So people will be forgiving. People
will will will still you know, oh he gave it
a try. You know. I all the sympathy so he
can't lose. Tom Brady is going to win. But I
don't believe he's the same quarterback. And I saw it
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last year. I think he is going to be closer
to the Peyton Manning of the first three years. Now.
I don't He's not gonna break records, all right. He's
not gonna throw for fifty five touchdowns in five thousand
yards and all that stuff. He's not gonna do all that.
But I think he will be a very productive quarterback.
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I said it last year. Rob. You know this isn't
you know Johnny come lately second guessing any of that stuff.
I said it all last year. He's no longer good
enough to carry mediocre talent, But give him some talent
and he'll be fine. And with Mike Evans and Chris Godwinning,
Cameron Braden, o J. Howard, and you know they'll find
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a decent running back. You know, that offensive line which
they've already upgraded. He will be fine. I think he'll
be close to the patent of the first and third
years in Denver. And I think there'll be a tough team.
I'm not predicting a super Bowl, but I think they will,
especially with the extra team now seven teams in each
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conference making the playoffs. I think they can go ten
and six, maybe eleven and five, as man Jeanie said,
and get in those playoffs. And you know, maybe the
second year he might fall off because you don't know
when it's gonna happen. Heck, for all we know, it
may have already happened and we just haven't he hadn't
been on the football field yet to show it. But
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Peyton manning third year in Denver, forty seven hundred plus yards,
thirty nine touchdowns, almost three hundred yards a game, then
all of a sudden robb as you mentioned, the fourth year,
he throws for twenty less than twenty three hundred yards,
nine touchdowns, seventeen interceptions, and it was bad. And it's
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interesting that that's the year he won the Super Bowl.
You know what I mean? They have but they had
an unbelievable defense. Remember incredible, well incredible Cam Newton had
put together an MVP season. He was they were fifteen
and one. They were blowing everybody out and they stopped him.
They got to Cam Newton and they won a super Bowl.
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That that was a super Bowl Carolina should have won
by two touchdowns. Well interesting, you remember in twenty thirteen,
that's the year Manning broke all their record and I
thought that was going to be a fantastic super Bowl.
I thought it was gonna be great. Um, and I
was actually pulling for Manny because I thought it was
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history in the making after his great regular season, and
I really wanted to see some history made. But Seattlogist
demolished him forty three to eight, and so it's interest
that was over. Don't you remember he had a he
had a safety. He was just he had a safety
in the first the first possession. It was over and
it wasn't it something like that, like, but wasn't it
(30:33):
a safety? Were down ten old quickly? I believe, Yeah,
safety on the first play of the game and that
was it. It was just downhill from there.
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