Was Michael Jordan a 'Horrible Guy'?

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Great Show. I mean, I think everybody's hyped about The
Last Dance, you know, the documentary on ESPN starting Sunday,
five weeks ten parts, gonna run two parts every Sunday,

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And it's about the last year Michael Jordan played with
the Bulls when they completed their second three peat in
eight years. And we will be joined by one of
Jordan's teammates from the first three peat, Craig Hodges, And
so it'll be good to talk to him about playing
with Michael Jordan and all that. Let me welcome in

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my partner, mister Ry Parker. What's up man? How are you?
I'm doing good? How are you, mister Bissard? I am great?
I am great. I do have a question. Yes, will
they use Donna Summer's Last Dance? Is that the theme song?
Will we hear that at all throughout the I heard you,
I know, I'm not. I just didn't know that's that's

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the name of the song. I know, but it's from
what like nineteen seventy eight or something, but it fits.
I'm twenty years you're saying, no, don't think so okay,
because here's why. Because it was a good song, right,
it was a hit. It's probably number one, I guess right,
it probably was. It's everybody knows that song. But is

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it a classic? I think it's a dated song. It's
a disco song, right, last so most of though I
don't know about most of them, but yeah, it's probably dated,
you know what I mean, Like in that era, it
might not sound as good. And it just popped into
my head because you know, when they're looking for music
to go along with things and names of stuff something.

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Could you I don't see that song fitting, could you know?
But I like when you think about it, you know,
last Dance, I just yeah, I don't think it fits. No,
I get it. But I just thought of the title.
And that's that's why. I mean, you might be right
for all we know. I mean, that's the opening thing.
It would be dat But yeah, another busy day in

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him listening to us, Chris, it almost made it just
made me that he had gotten his ged. He just
talked about his own and to hear us, you know,
be so elegant and smart. Elegant. No, you know, maybe

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that's not elegant. Hold on, that might never be the
right word. But but I know I get what you're saying.
You know what I'm saying. It looks like I said,
we want to bring inspiration, information, enlightenment, entertainment. Like so,
so you're right, I mean, that's I got it. Let
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know what impact you have. This is James in Philadelphia,
and he just says, sometimes I would get discouraged because
of my age. He's thirty one, but whenever you guys
talk on Fox, I would use it as motivation. Just
being a strong black man helped me a lot. Thanks
a million. I think that's awesome. S No, it's great, man, Chris.

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You're just talking on the radio right talking sports, arguing, debating.
You never know how you can influence people, motivate people.
So when we get a note like that, that's that's awesome.
And he just said, and I just told you how
the GD he got it a month ago. He's thirty
one years old. He got it a month that he
wants to get into business, and and uh, he was

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just I think he just said he admired us more
than that. But the thing that was great is he
didn't give up and he got it. That's all that matters, Chris.
So it's inspirational to me, I think to you and
we appreciate. Right, that's a great way to start off
the show and segue into a group that really inspires

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You know, I don't have many vices. That's one of
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all you got you hit the jackpot. Yes, she got money,
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but then we got the super producer Rob Gee. I'm
trying to think of a way rob G inspires me.
Rob Gi inspires me. Rob G's husky, as I've said,
and I say that in positive. It's all love and

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it inspires me not to be husky. There it is.
I'm just saying, Is that is that me? Rob G? No,
that's because you inspire me too, Chris, because I got
like eleven gray hairs in my beard and I just
let them grow because I feel it. So I want
people when they see me in person that it's the
same guy that you see, you know TV. Hold on,

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There is not a person out there that will say
I saw Chris Bruce Are and it's with a full
head of gray hair and a gray beard. They won't
say that. There's nobody. I've heard at least one person
say that. I swear no, no, yes, I'll tell you
off the air, I tell you I want me. Why
are you gonna bring me in? But I'm just saying,

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I mean, you know, you've probably see me when I
wasn't out, you know, and about so. But anyway, rob
G inspires me. Who's on the updates today? That'd be
David Gas. Guys, we fun fires me. We finally got
rid of the Peanut Gallery and got a real update guy,
mister Gascon and of course Steve de Saga my two

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very favorites. So happy, But gascoy, you got it? Is
he can he hear us? I don't know if he's
listening right now, but he's probably guy, he's listening to
uh Jim Rome podcast. I think well, like for some reason,
Irvin Ralph Irvin and Brian Finley are my guys. I
don't know how right. You know, that's fine, that's right,

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But I'm just saying you're assuming. De Sager and Gascon
yes gone and Steve Sag, oh my guy. I don't know.
I think they're neutral. No, made him my guy? How
they gonna be you guy? We'll see. I called the
full disclosure Chris. I called Rob last weekend to see
how he was doing. I know how to call you back,
call me back at all? Like he's too busy, slag guy.

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Now he's too busy slaging shoes, he's slanging hoodies and
and sorry mis to gas got gasko. Have you ever
called me? And I did not immediately get back to you. No,
you got to be a Chris guy. Okay, let me
see you never called me. But mister Gasky, how many
times have we gone out here compared to mister Broussard's

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that's one more than Chris. That's her dad. What we're
going out to him by himself? No? Yeah, me and Rob?
Have you got that free time? But wait a minute,
when you were in a la the Chris, Hey, listen,
I was there for Rob's birthday, that's right. Yeah, and
I believe early like Chris did. Chris, and no, I'm

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stayed for a nice little chunk and then you know,
and I heard it got crazy after I left some
good stuff. Yeah, so it was probably good. All right,
So guess I don't mean we we are we gonna
even get to a topic. Yes, let's go it all right.
So anyway, some are calling it the death of college

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All right, Rob, interesting story that Rope today. Our friend
of the show, Chris Haynes, was one it was reporting this,

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and it is that California high school superstar Jalen Green.
He's the number one prospect in the twenty twenty class
or in ESPN's rankings, and he's obviously near the top,
if not at the top of other rankings. Rob, instead
of going to play in college or overseas or in

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Australia or I AMG or wherever, he is going to
the G League. Now they got a new program together.
Remember last year they talked about we're gonna let guys
come from high school into the G League. We're gonna
pay him one hundred and twenty five thousand, and they're
gonna play in the G League with the other players.
It's different. Now they have a special development program. It's

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a one year program where a handful of the best
college or high school players will it's you know, they
won't go to college, they want to go to the NBA.
They'll come to this program. They get paid five hundred grand,
five hundred thousand dollars. You play, you know, a handful

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of teams. You're on a team with some veteran players,
and then, like I said, the handful of high school stars.
You play maybe fifteen to twenty games or so against
G League teams, or maybe maybe twelve to fifteen games
against G League teams. You play some international or four
national teams, and you play team, you play exhibitions like that,

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and also you get to develop, you know, they work
with you on not only on the court skills, but
life skills as well. So when you do go to
the NBA the next year, you'll be ready, you know,
or at least better. You'll be more prepared than you
would have otherwise. So I think it's a great idea.
I mean, the fact that they're giving these kids in

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these Emily's real money I love it, and I think
that's a winner. So I think this is a great thing.
And I'm gonna let you talk about the impact on
college basketball if you think there will be one first,
and then I'll chime in after you. Yeah, I don't
think there'll be an impact. I think there'll be people
still want to go to college, be the big man

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on campus, you know, uh, data all the pretty women
on campus. Uh, you know, get to play on national television,
play against some better competition. I'm not knocking anybody. You
want to take five hundred grand, I wouldn't go for
one twenty five. But five hundred grand is enough money
to because I thought at least one twenty five is

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nothing because to me, I wouldn't. And then because you
want about in different leagues and exposure, you know what
I mean, in the G League? Who's watching that? What
cities you're playing in? You're playing in? Uh, but that's
different now, it's not like that like that was a
That's one reason they changed the program is because there

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was concerned from families. You know, my kid's gonna be
on the bus going to Sue Falls and you know,
wear Sue Falls whatever, you know, going to Cedar Rapids,
and you know all the little towns that the G
League teams are in, and that's not gonna be the
case now they're not They're not gonna be in the
G League. They're just going to play G League teams

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you know a handful of times. But still it's still
a G League and it's not really it's a different
But you're playing some G League teams, are you not?
I mean, yes, you are teams too. Okay, I played
a Serbian national team or something. Okay, Well, to be determined,
I'm not knock gonna if it's just the money grab, Hey,

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I'd rather take five hundred grand than go to college.
I'm not mad at them. I just wonder if you
had a chance to go to a great school and
and like I say, be that big man on campus
and enjoy all that for one year rather than being
quote unquote in the minor leagues playing where the exposure
might not be there. Most of those games are not

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going to be broadcast, like if you were to go
to Duke or North Carolina or you know, Kansas or
any school like that. So it's just about what you
want if you don't want, you know, because You're only
doing it for one year. It's not like you're doing
it for four years. You're just going for one year
college and enjoy it. I'm doing if you're a great player,
a top echelon player, I think I still would rather

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I would I would rather have Carmelo Anthony's career one
year at Syracuse blowout the NCAA tournament, people remember you forever.
I think Carmelo Anthony's I would take his one year
over five hundred thousand dollars playing G League and national
teams any day. Yeah, I mean, that was a long

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time ago. It's kind of different now. But I'm just
saying whether or not that was a great experience. I'm
just saying if at that point all of the great
players were going to college at least for a year,
you know, um or actually that now that was during
the time because Lebron came after that and went straight
from the pro, so you didn't have to go to
college at that time. But I hear you and and

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I I said, I think it depends on what the
kid wants. So if he does want that, you know,
he's into the march madness, he's into the tradition of
the college games and all that. Then then he may
want that, or if he even wants that, one or
two semesters of experience just socially at college. But where

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I don't think when you say exposure, I think that's
what you mean. You mean exposure to, you know, the
TV audiences and stuff. I don't think you mean And
tell me if you do. No, I'm talking about yeah,
because they're talking about your friends and family watching you.
If you're playing that North Carolina a big game against Duke,

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I mean that that. That's that's the exposed advantage now
because you don't need it. You don't need college basketball
anymore for the exposure you know, to NBA scouts, even
the fans. Now, I get it. You're right as far
as a Saturday afternoon game, the March madness and all that.
But I'm just saying now, these kids have social media

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followings that are tremendous in the millions, and high school
games are now on national television, you know, so a
lot of these kids are known by basketball fans before
they even get to college, like really well known. Case
in point, the most well known player, now he may
not go number one, but the most well known player

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in this upcoming draft is LaMelo Ball, and it's he
didn't he's not gonna play a lick of college basketball.
And he's also gonna go high in the draft, if
not number one. And so I hear you see. Our
college experiences were different from these kids. They were four
years and all that. But college is a great time.

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It's a lot of fun, and the kids they will
want that for a year, will go to college. But
I think that number is lessening. You know, even this year,
we saw several not just LaMelo Ball, but other players
you know, didn't go to college. Kenyan Martin's son was
going to go to I believe Vanderbilt. He was gonna
go somewhere, and he pulled out over the summer and

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instead worked on this game to try to get ready
for the NBA. UM. So I do think some kids
are going to do that. And I think now that
they're offering five hundred grand um, it's going to be
you know, it's for that handful of the group, like
it's this is I think you know you're talking about
like they've mentioned some of the other kids that are

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considering this, and it's about four or five other kids.
I think that they had to up the money because
the one twenty five wasn't going to move anybody. Well,
what they did, Rob as they actually talked with players
and families. They had Sharifada Rahim who works with the
G League and you know, out of the NBA, and
they talk to them about what can we do, you know,

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because they were like, look, it's one thing to lose
kids to college, if you even want to call it
that losing kids, but to lose kids going to Australia
for a year. You know. They were like that that
and now scouts and everybody has to go over there
and watch those kids. We can come up with something
in America that can come that's comparable to get the

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kids to stay. And what they found was one they
want more money, which is understandable. They're offering way more
in Australia and other places. And two they didn't want
to have to deal with, you know, traveling all around
the you know, the country on a bus and playing
in these little po dunk cities like many of the
G League teams do. And another thing Rob was that

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they didn't and I've said this before, even though these
kids come out of high school are much more talented
there's a lot of guys in the G League who
are better than them just because they're grown men. They're smarter,
they've had cups of coffee in the NBA and some
may some even had a bite, if not a whole
suite roll. Why But you know, like they you don't

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want to come out of high school you're the top third,
one or two or three player in your class, and
then you're you're getting used in the G League or
you're not shining. Maybe you're not getting used, but you
know you're not standing out. You don't look that good,
and maybe that can drop your value. That was a
concern too, and now that's not a concern because it's
you know, it's gonna be this special team and select

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team and special system. And here's the other thing, rob
which I like about it. They don't have the restrictions
that you get in college basketball. There's not gonna be
a limitation on how many hours a week they can
work on their game or spend with the coach. Obviously,
they get the money, they can hire an agent if

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they want, they can. They can capitalize off their likeness.
You know, they can have a sneaker deal so and
a lot of these kids are gonna get sneaker deals
even though they don't have the exposure of playing at
a Division one school. So I'll wait to see the
sneaker deals or how much they are. I'm not saying
that they won't be any but yeah, anyway, they're already
and there's already reports about kids, you know, getting sneaker deals.

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One of the kids had one last year with Leaning
Now that's leading in China's Dwayne Way the company he
was with, and they got several NBA players. But yeah,
so kids are getting the sneakers. I'm not saying they're
gonna get ninety million like Lebron did, but they'll get
decent deals. So I think it's a win. Um, you know,
if the kid doesn't mind not having the exposure of

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March Madness and all that, I think it's a win.
It's certainly not gonna hurt him in terms of his
draft stock if indeed they're still really good players. So
I'll like it. We'll see what the what it develops into.
What was it really like to play alongside the goal
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Welcome to the Eye Couple. Brother, How are you? How
are you doing? I'm going fine, brother, appreciate you. Great
to have you when first of all, as your family
and you guys safe and everything so far. Hey man, man,

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thank god? You know what's the U s Aby Rod
just sitting back watching all of this, but you know
everything's been well, understand, appreciate it all right, right, Well,
let's get to it. You won championships with the Bulls
and Michael Jordan in one ninety two. You played four
years with him. Those two years you won championships. You
were a big time three point shooter for that team

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and others in your career. Let me ask you this first.
A lot of people point back to, you know, the
ninety six Bulls who won seventy two games. This Last
Dance documentary that's coming up on ESPN that's going to
deal with the ninety seven ninety eight team, which was
his last in Chicago. How do you think your Bulls

(24:41):
championship teams compared to that second three peat? Like? Were
you guys? It's good? Better? What's your take? As you know,
it's funny for me because I always tell people, you know,
you don't get to that last dance if you don't
have a person and you don't know how to dance.
So right dressing and the blessing of learning how to

(25:02):
dance and to actually win the dances. It's something that
I think is unique, and I feel like our first
championship team would have probably been any championship team that
ever wanted m What we think people will learn from
this about Michael Just learn about Michael Jordan. What could
you give us awesome insight? What don't people really know

(25:25):
about Michael Jordan? Well? I think you know the biggest
thing for me is his ability, the longevity of his tenacity,
the ability to keep the eye to tige in and
have your mindset. And I was blessed to haven't had
a chance to coach Kobe Um and you know for
five years when I was with the Lakers, and to

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see his work habits and to be able to see
how close they were to m gays is. It was
cool to watch man and it was cool to be
a part of it. And for me to have a
chance to practice against Michael every day and to know
know that every day he wanted somebody against you never
don't bring it. And I think that's the thing that
you know, possibly separates him from a lot of other

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champions is its genacity and his ability to know how
to get it down. Craig Craig Hodges, a world champion
with the Chicago Bulls ninety two, joining the odd couple.
Michael Jordan even said in this documentary, and it's been
reported around over the last few days, he said he
was a bit apprehensive about doing it because he said,

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when people see how I acted around my teammates and
how hard I pushed guys there, this is a direct quote,
They're gonna think I'm a horrible guy. I mean, honestly,
you gave us a little something there, but really, like,
what was it like playing with Michael Jordan and was

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obviously he's not a horrible guy, but you know, was
he like at times did you just want to kill
him as a teammates because I'm going to guys, you know,
for me, I was I was blessed to have have had,
you know, that authoritarian type upbringing as far as coaching
was concerned. So it was very little that could actually
rattle me as a player. But I've seen it. I've

(27:12):
seen it up coaching personal the players that were demoralized,
players who couldn't handle it and were out of here,
you know. So it was a thing where he could
push you to the limit. And the main thing, you know,
for me just seeing it and being a part of it,
it was just a matter off you standing your ground
and if you didn't stand your ground and you took
a step backwards, you're gonna go aufter you to see

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if you take two steps back. And I think that's
the biggest part of us being able to win championships
with you know, we had venterans like Bill Cartwright and
myself who had who had been in in you know,
playoffs battles, and we had more playoff experience than anybody
on the team, so we were able to balance some
of that. But at the same time, MJ was MJ

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and he had the personality in the persona that you know,
it was a larger than life. A lot of guys
that played with the man against him and if you weren't,
if you weren't pick scanned and you didn't have your
game tight, it was gonna be a problem. Can you
can you give us an example or two. You don't
have to name the player that he went at or whatever.

(28:16):
Can you example or pers Yeah, you know something he was.
You know what you're talking about? Well, you know, you
know there's a couple of guys that you know and
not to some degree you don't want to name them.
You know. We had a power forward from from a
Big ten school that was one of the key figure
on our team at the point in time we were
trying to win and he and m J n c

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I I. I felt MJ was a bit too hard
on him, same way with another guy from Ohiole State.
So for me it was one of those things learning
a learning experience for myself and for them, but them
as well. I think they saw the game in a
different light thing as far as you know, the positions
that they played were the positions that they played, and
Michael wanted a little bit more of them. And it

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was one of those things that oftentimes you can ask
more of someone that's out of their talent pool or
out of the DNA pool or what have you. And
when you're an exceptional talent and Blake and MJ and
the Kobe, your your tolerance is a little bit less
than a lot of other guys because you are so great.
Brian brad Sellers and Dennis Hopson, you called it, I

(29:23):
say nothin saying nothing, man, But if you watched it,
if you watch it, if you said where I said,
if you said where I said, there were there are
a lot of times when you know, and once again,
we're in this civilization where the balance oftentimes is out

(29:44):
of whack because you know, we're in it for different things.
We have a terrier motives, whether it be fame and
fortunate as opposed to just win him and just opposed
to just being a teammate and I want my teammate
to get better. You know, it's a lot of guys
that they could now and man, and for me, it
was just one of the things like, come on, man,
you put on your shoes the same way I put

(30:04):
on Ron. Let's get it on. And for me it
was always fun to be able to compete against him
every day and to know that a lot of times
when y'all saw him do he wouldn't have did it.
And without me practicing against him, I think, Craig, what
do you make? I think it says a lot about
Michael Jordan and the imprint he left on a lot

(30:26):
of people and players that former Pistons, Bill Lamber or
Isaiah of all going out of their way to say
Lebron is better than m J. And I still you know,
obviously the battles that do the Pistons and the Bulls had.
What does that say when those guys are still still
have a grudge against Michael Jordan's hey man? You know?

(30:47):
And that that's the cool part about it is that
you know, when you talk about it Lebron, he wasn't
looking at Idaia or whom he was looking at him j.
You know, so when you right, when you talk about
him being better than MJ. He talked about invitation is
the highest form of flattery. So you know, man, it's
one of the things where they just don't want to

(31:07):
admit the fact that we were able to kick ourselves
up the ground from all of those wild things and
able to put it back on him to a point
where they were embarrassed that, you know, they couldn't even
couldn't even man up to the point of saying, ay man,
y'all better than us. Now, we just got to go
back to the drawing board and get back at it
like we did. So it's on those things that it's

(31:28):
a it's a grudge that athletes often have when we
don't grow up because we grew up playing a child game,
so we can still be childish at times. Craig, you
mentioned your years coaching Kobe, and obviously, I mean he's
very similar to Michael, not only his game, but you know,
as you said, the killer instinct and the work ethic
and all that was. He similar to Mike as well

(31:51):
in terms of the way he went at teammates in
terms of challenging him, pretty much the same thing, and
he was worse he was worth, you know for me.
And you know, part of it is it's generational. Man.
You know, I look at you know, I look at
some players who they used to say with temperamental before

(32:13):
m J. Simon, who was hard teammates to get along
with the life. But it's one of those things where
I would watch sometimes where would be Covil coming practice
that he's on this thing where I'm gonna just give
it to everybody and if you ain't enough for the challenge,
You're gonna be embarrassed today, and then if I embarrass
you today, then it's gonna be an ongoing thing where

(32:34):
you got to stand up CLASSA Buya shitch was a
classic case where but Sasha got better from it that
you know, MJ would slap shots to literally trap him around,
but Sasha was big enough to take it within practice
to where m J would you know, would you would
basically bring out I mean, excuse me, Kobe would basically
bring him along to the point where Sasha would knockdown

(32:55):
jumpers and play big for us in championship seasons. Wow, Wow,
that's great stuff. Craig Hodges, two time NBA champion with
the Chicago Bulls, one of the best three point shooters
that the game's ever seen. And I was looking at
some of your numbers, Craig, I mean you shot forty
nine percent one year from three and that's that's three

(33:16):
times the game. You know, it wasn't like a small sample.
Let me ask you this quickly. We only got about
thirty seconds. If you played today, where obviously the three
point shot is so prominent, do you think I mean,
you won two championships, but you think individually you would
have had an even better career because of the change
in the game. I would have been fun to see, man,

(33:37):
because you know, at the same time, I came in
the game as a point guide, so I could dribble
the basketball. And now if you can dribble and shoot,
you a marquee players. So it would have been fun
to see to be able to drip around and tell
somebody give you a picking you launch from thirty five
where you can launch down. It's a different high picking
rolls back then. Man, I'm telling you it's a different game.

(33:58):
But I still feel blessed that I played during the
golden era of the game. Great stuff. That's Craig. Craig
Hodges Champion with the Bulls. Craig, thanks a lot, man,
and be safe outa all right. See this list represents
the elite of the Elite, My five best players at
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(34:22):
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(34:42):
course is what's happening. Great show back in the seventies
and what's happened Chris is Brusar's Fab five. Are you
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(35:05):
are my best players in NBA history at each of
the five positions. Now, I gotta say this, if you're
putting a team together to win a game, this might
not be it. Not that they wouldn't be great, but
you know, I might be able to come up with
better teams. But these are my best five players at

(35:25):
each position. Number five at center, Kareem Abdul Jabbar. I'm sorry,
Shock fans. I love Shock two, but I had to
give Kareem the edge over Russell. Russell had the championships,
but not the individual stats. Over Will Wild had the

(35:45):
individual stats, but not the championship over Shock because Kareem
was a six time MVP, Shock was a one timer.
Kareem won six championships. Shock one four all right, number
four at point at power forward. I know we always
say Tim Duncan's the greatest power forward ever, and that's fine,

(36:07):
but I'm going with Larry Bird because Larry Bird played
both power forward and small forward. We included myself at
times have tended to think of him more as a
small forward. But I'm gonna put him at power forward,
and he's better than Tim Duncan. As great as Tim
Duncan was, Larry Bird was better. And so Bird is
my top power forward, number three small forward. Even without

(36:32):
Bird in the mix, it is Lebron James giving him
the edge over Kevin Durant. I want to see Durant
lead his own team. I know he was the best
player on the Warriors team, but lead your own Tim
he leaves Brooklyn, then um, he's gonna rise. I don't
know if he rise above Lebron, but he's gonna rise
in the all time rankings. But Lebron's the best small

(36:54):
forward of all time, number two, of course shooting guard.
Who else? Jay Michael Jordan. All you millennials out there
who are screaming Kobe or Lebron is better than m
j Watch the Last Dance, all right, watch it and
you will see that Michael Jordan is not only the

(37:16):
greatest small shooting guard of all time, he is the
greatest player period. I got Kobe second, Jerry West third,
in Dwayne Wade fourth. But James Harden is chasing Wade
hard all right at number one, number one point guard
Magic Johnson, But it's getting closer. Steph Curry is on

(37:37):
his heels. But I got Magic Johnson right now as
the greatest point guard of all time, and it's not
gonna be easy for Steph to catch him. He asked
to really, I think win another championship if he if
he leads, like if he comes back next year and
leads Golden State to a championship without Kevin Durant and

(37:57):
they basically go back to what they were before, or
Durant run through the league, beat Lebron and a d
beat Kawhi and Paul George, beat Yannis and whoever else
is in the East. Durant and Kyrie. I mean that
would be incredible. I don't know how you deny him.
I really don't. As much as I love Magic, but

(38:19):
that's a tall order for stuff to do. I don't
know that he's up to it. So the top point
guard of all time, Magic Johnson, Rob g how you
like me? Now? It's a good list. I'm not gonna lie.
It's a very good list. But I didn't do my
own exercise on Twitter where I try to put together
a team that would beat your team in a game.
And I think I did. Now, now you're gonna give

(38:41):
me your te give your team. It's Shack, KD, Kawhi, Kobe,
and Chris Paul. I think my team beats your team
straight up. Here's the one thing my team. Every single
guy on my team is an immortal and your yours
are Hall of famers. But it's Chris Paul and Kawhi.
They're not immortals. At this point, you would agree with that, Yeah,
that's fair, But I think again. But it'll be in

(39:01):
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for this entire hour. You will not be disappointed. We
just had Craig hodges on, former teammate of Michael Jordan,

(40:10):
also coached you know with Phil Jackson, coach Kobe Bryant
and uh great insight into Jordan and talked about how
tough Jordan was on teammates and his whole purpose was
to get them toughened up so that he could count
on them in playoff games in clutch moments. Uh, and guys,

(40:35):
some guys, as Hodges illustrated, couldn't take it, and those
are the ones who ended up at some point leaving
the Bulls. But those that could take it stayed around,
improved as players, and won championships. And he said Kobe
was the same way. In fact, he said Kobe was
even worse than Jordan going at players, going at teammates.

(40:56):
But Michael, you know, we're talking about this Last Dance documentary,
ten part series on ESPN that's gonna start on Sunday,
And Jordan apparently was concerned about doing the documentary because
he was like, when people see me. The director of
the documentary said this. He said Jordan was apprehensive because

(41:19):
because Jordan said, when people see how hard I was
or my teammates, They're going to think I'm a horrible guy.
And so get ready because Michael, you know, and the
Haynes commercials always smiling Mike, I want to be like Mike. Right,
If I could be like Mike, you know all that,

(41:42):
I don't know, it's different Mike. It's gonna be a
different Mike. In the last dance. Here's Jordan himself talking
about it that This is from the documentary has not
been released yet, but here's an excerpt from one thing
he said about what you just got discussed about being
a horror guy. Jordan said, quote, Look, winning has a price,

(42:04):
and leadership has a price. So I pulled people along
when they didn't want to be bulled. I challenged people
when they didn't want to be challenged. And I earned
that right because my teammates who came after me didn't
endure all the things that I endured. Once you joined
the team, you lived at a certain standard that I
played the game, and I wasn't gonna take any less. Now,
if that means I'd to go in there and getting

(42:24):
your ass a little bit, then I did that quote
go ahead, Robert, let you had a first. I'm just
gonna say, I think Michael Jordan is gonna have even
more fans after they watched this ten part documentary because
they will see Chris there is. He said it perfectly.
There's a price for winning. It ain't about being a

(42:45):
nice guy. You're not putting together a church choir and
things like that. Michael demanded a lot. That's why he
was six and old. That's why he was so dominant.
He worked at it. It wasn't just god given talent.
He worked at it. He was a great leader. He
led by example, he led off the court. I mean

(43:05):
there was a lot of things that Michael did. I
think that teammates looked at and said, if this guy's
coming to practice early, if this guy's staying late, right,
and he's a star player, how in the world can
I go home? How in the world can I come late?
You can? You know that? And if you know Chris,
you know, if they're a star playing a team and
he doesn't care. If he doesn't care, why should I care? Right?

(43:28):
And he's talented. So I think the millennials who have
heard all of Michael Jordan's farming over and all the
salivating and all the old wise men tales or wise
stories you know about Michael Jordan will get to get
an inside looked finally and they might take a look
and go, you know what, reevaluate everything they've thought and say,

(43:54):
I think he is a goat. I think he is
the best player. Wow, I can't believe what he was
able to do. Wow, did you see those hard fouls
that they were committed against him and you know, and
all the other stuff that he went through to get there.
I think you'll have a better appreciation of Michael Jordans
and the six and old with all six MVPs in

(44:14):
those finals. Quits will finally come into uh focus and
ain't just watching some YouTube games or whatever. But you'll
be able to get an in depth look. And I'm
really meaning this. I think they'll be way more Michael
Jordan fans after this documentary. Well that's hard to do
because they're I mean, Jordan is He's the most as

(44:37):
as popular as Lebron is. Michael Jordan's the most popular
basketball player of all time. Do you doubt that or
question that? No, I don't doubt. I don't even think
Jordan's polarizing, like just about everybody. Now, there are those
that think Lebron's better, but just about everybody of Jordan.

(45:02):
They may not think he's the gold and I know
there are some people that don't love you, but you
know what I'm saying, Like, for the most part, he's
not as polarizing as Kobe Detroit right right, because they
beat him, ye, so they do you know, they can

(45:23):
stick out their chests a little bit. But you know
what I mean, I think he's he's wildly popular. Um,
but I think a few things rob One. I think
specifically getting the Jordan. You know how hard he wrote
teammates and you know that's what he's talking about. He
doesn't you know, people are gonna see that. It might
not like it. First of all, there are people like

(45:44):
that in every profession. There are people that I mean,
I'm talking about the ultra elite. Not all of them
are like that, but a lot of the ultra elite
at every single profession. Some of them are obsessed and
some of them are not fun to work with. Some

(46:07):
of them, you know, people around the office can't stand them,
but they're great at what they do, and they get
their job. They do their job at a tremendous level,
and they lift other people to do better. And something
that that don't want to be around that just disappear

(46:28):
or go elsewhere or whatever. But there are people like
that in every field. You know, who are just you
just can't stand being around them. But they're they're wonderful
at their jobs and it's because of their obsessiveness and
their obsession with it, and they're hard on people. That
aren't like that. Yeah, I'm not talking about you, not

(46:50):
that you're not good at your job, but you know
that's not You're not that personality. Um, But I think
there are people like that in every field. Secondly, Rob,
I think that what's going to stun that might be
a little strong, but it might not be. But what's
going to stick out and stand out to these millennials

(47:12):
is how tough Michael Jordan was or his teammates physically,
as far as what he took from the Pistons and
other teams and just period, because we don't not that
they aren't tough athletes now, but it's just different. It's
just different, and it's so much more friendlier. It's friendlier.

(47:36):
You know, it's a different generation. You know, your coaches
aren't supposed to yell, Teammates aren't supposed to yell. You
get in an argument with a teammate and people write
about it and talk about it like you can never
be friends again. And Jordan was different. They're going to

(47:57):
see how tough he was. And I think when you
talk about separating the all time great athletes like Muhammad Ali,
he didn't have the best boxing record of all time,
lost fights. You know, some fights he even won. You
could argue he lost. But Ali's will to win, Ali's toughness,

(48:20):
I mean physically he took maybe the best even I
had the best chin in the history of boxing. And
then mentally he was so tough to take on bigger folds,
harder punching folds, and he could just mentally wear them out.
That separated him from others. Jordan was similar. Jordan's will

(48:42):
to win separates him and that is going to stand
out to these millennials because we don't. I mean, the
closest you got is Kobe. But even to the millennials,
they didn't even see all of Kobe. So who's like
that now there? I mean, I can't. I'm trying that.
Chris paul Is, you know, but he didn't win at

(49:05):
their level. I was gonna say, you have to win,
And so I'm looking at it and I think you're right.
Christy'll be able to look at it. Like for all
you can say about Lebron and his greatness, he's more
of everybody's cool, let's get everybody involved and all that,
and you could see that you don't have to be
you know, you can be hard and win and everybody

(49:29):
doesn't have to like you in order to be successful
in life. That's not what it's about. I always say,
and you notice Chris being in the business that we've
been in forever. It's not about being liked, it's about
being respected. Right. I really don't care if people like me,
but I want to be respected that people look at
me and go. This guy puts in a hard day's

(49:50):
work every day. He comes prepared, he's ready to do
his job or whatever. I might not personally like him,
but I can't, but I have to respect him, right.
And I think something else you said, Rob, I want
to highlight when you said, um, you said Jordanum, you

(50:10):
have to be good. You have to be great, like
to do what Michael Jordan did. You you better be
great because, as you said, people aren't gonna like you. Now.
What happened with a guy like Jordan is he was
so great and you started winning because of his greatness.

(50:32):
And as a teammate you just say, you know what, heck,
let's just jump on the bandwagon. Right, Like, I can't
stand him. He's driving me crazy, he's too hard on me,
he's cussing me out, he beat me up, whatever, but
we're winning championships. I'm a star. I'm a little star.
I know he's the man, but I'm part of the

(50:53):
circus too. You know what I'm saying. I'm getting fringe
been of it. I'm getting more money too. So you
go along with And I've seen quickly before you go, Rob,
I've seen other players try to lead that way. And
and you know, Isaiah kind of led somewhat like that,
Isaiah Thomas, but again, he was great enough to win.

(51:15):
And I've seen guys try to lead like Jordan or
Isaiah or Kobe and be hardcore. This is how we
do it hard, but they're not there. Might be really good,
but they're not good enough to win championships. And when
and that when that happens, I mean, and again I'm
not picking on him, as I like him. I think
he's a great player and a great guy. But Chris Paul,

(51:36):
he's known Rob for what driving teammates crazy, and he
rides them hard, no differently probably than these other guys.
But they haven't won. And that's the problem. When you
don't women you do that, it's gonna be ugly, Just
like it was with Jordan in Washington. I was gonna
say one other there was coaches get away with that too.

(51:58):
What you can't be all a Belichi X disciples who
go other places, right and trying to be like him.
That's not Bill O'Brien right, this with DeAndre Hopkins, right,
Bill O'Brien and uh in the in Detroit, I just uh, Patricia,
Matt Patricia. That stuff doesn't work because you don't have

(52:19):
You could walk around and be like well I was
with the Patriots, but you don't have the six the
super Bowls that he's won to be able to uh,
you know, to be able to have that cashe and
I remember in Detroit a lot of the players didn't
like Scotty Bowman, who was the Red Wings coach and
a Hall of Famer. He won nine championships, Chris Okay,

(52:39):
nine Wow Stanley Cups. So you couldn't you know what
I mean, Like Scottie got away with it. Why he won?
They hated him, but he but he won. And that's
the point. No, that's real. That's real if you do
if you and it's followed those future great players out
there that they're gonna watch this. If you want to

(53:01):
try to lead like Michael Jordan and get all up
in your teammates and all the things you're gonna see.
You better be great enough to lead your team to
championships because otherwise you're just gonna drive him crazy and
they're gonna be you know what I mean. It's it's
just the truth. And again we said it happened with

(53:23):
Jordan and Washington. Rob right, He was the same Michael
in Washington, but they weren't making the playoffs. Like there
are people that will tell you he destroyed Kwame Brown
Psyche and then quam poor Kwamie. Then he leaves Washington
with Jordan and goes to the Lakers, and Kobe just
picks it up from it. He didn't have a chance.

(53:44):
He shot right. But that so that's the only way
it works, is when you are that good and you
can win. All right, There's more of the Eye Couple
coming up, But we want to check your pulse eight
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(54:05):
Michael Jordan documentary actually changes the way his fans look
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his own all those own all right, Michael Jordan, Yeah,
obviously we all want to see this last dance. We

(55:11):
can't wait. But just the shutdown has heightened the suspense.
You know what I'm saying, Rob, Like now now if
you're gonna look forward to it anyway, but now now
now with nothing else going on, and it'll be interesting
to be able to dissect it and look at it.
So definitely, definitely. So let's will it be more m

(55:31):
J fans or fewer MJ fans eight seven seven ninety
nine on Fox? Let's see what they say? All right,
Let's start with Eric and Oregon. You're on the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What you got Eric? Hey?
What's happening? Th Us? How are we doing this evening?
All right? I'm good man, Yo, Rob, you told me
not to call anymore. I can. We disagree with Stephane
the other day, but I'm gonna come in agreeing with you. Hope.
What are you doing calling? We were supposed to screen

(55:52):
you out. You can call anytime, and don't don't let
Rob change your view. It's like Jordan, you gotta stay
end up to him and tell him he's wrong. That's right,
That's right, all right. But here's the thing, man. I
was my first memory of Jordan. I was six years old,
Washington nineteen ninety NBA Finals and it was the shrug
game against Portland. I was born in Portland, and I

(56:12):
remember being like, I'm asking my dad, I said, why
is he being like that? And he said, because he's
a cold budded killer. He's a winner, man, that's what
he does. And I remember thinking, oh man, this dude
is serious. So I'm hoping what this is gonna do
is gonna wake up some of my crazy peers ye
whales out there who don't seem to understand what the
dude was doing. The dude is the goat, all right,

(56:33):
he's better. Okay, that's it, and so you know what, Hey,
that's what I'm saying is that some of those young
guys are finally going to get a peek inside Chris
and it might sway some people. No, I think that's
a good point. You know, a lot of it will
depend and I think they are gonna do a great
deal of this. But how much they go back, you

(56:53):
know what I mean, because I'm not right centered around
that last year, but I'm sure you know they're gonna
go back into college and probably gotta be more like
like like there's a circumstance that happens that season where
they go back and go well back in North Carolina.
He was, you know what I mean, Or that's what
they're gonna do. Yeah, it's got to be that where

(57:14):
you'll get the fans to be able to get ten parts,
you've got to be that those flashbacks, what he learned
from there, how he took that to the NBA with him,
how he became that kind of player. All Right, is
it abde in Canada? You're in the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio? Yeah? How's it going, guys? How are
you guys doing? Man? We're doing good. I'm good Man. Hey,

(57:36):
you guys are a great show man. You listen to
it us here in Toronto is where I live. Man.
But the question you are asking, um, Yeah, No, I
think there's gonna be a lot of more appreciation for
Michael Jordan man, just like the worst work aspect that
he had like instilled into himself and the teammates around him.
You look at like guys like Scottie Pippen, for example,
I'm like twenty seven years old, so like I haven't

(57:56):
been able I wasn't able to watch like all these
moments as it happened, but being able to first like
know about what fasketball is watching those sort of highlights,
It's incredible to see that worth ethic and then how
he instills that off to like other players and like
the closest resemblance of that that we've seen for your
millennials and how they bring it up. It's like Kobe

(58:17):
Bryant right right, and like even Lebron James, so like
it's it's gonna be good for Michael Jordan's in that today.
So but yeah, great show, guys, it's great listening to
you guys. Thank you. We appreciate it. And Toronto, of course, Chris,
one of the great cities in this in this world,
great city, beautiful Canada. Uganda has got some tremendous cities,

(58:37):
but Toronto, as you say, one of Canada, beautiful, very
clean and all Canadians wear comfortable shoes, so it's a
good place. Harry Globus, Ohio, you're on the couple of
Fox Sports Radio. Hey, what's that fellas, how's it going?
Are you good? How are you? I'm doing well. Hopefully

(58:58):
families are safe. Thank you. So I would say, I
don't think this is gonna get any more MJ fans.
Hopefully millennials can appreciate, um, you know, appreciate Michael Jordan more.
But I think with today's culture, like I know, Rick
Bucker kind of touched on it on speak for yourself,
like you know, that's why Michael Jordan's like, oh, you know,

(59:18):
some people are gonna think I'm a bad guy just
because how you had the will to win, because I
get an arguments about um Lebron James with my millennial
friends and Michael Jordan, Like honestly, Michael Jordan did have
a better team. Like if you replace Michael Jordan with
Lebron James, for sure, the first, the finals and the

(59:38):
fifth and fifteen where he lost to the When Lebron
James lost to the Gold State Warriors, he wins that.
Michael Jordan wins that because there's and I hate to
say there's time then it's unfair just because Michael. I mean,
Lebron James didn't grow up with a father, so you
know he was raised a little differently being raised by
a single mom. And I'm not saying, you know, uh,
single moms didn't do it, don't do a great job,

(59:59):
but it's feren statistics shows different having the father. There's
multiple series that you replaced Michael George Lebron James with
Michael Jordan, and Michael Jordan wins those games. So hopefully
this opens their eyes and understands how much of a
winner Michael Jordan was. Well, the fact is this, and
granted we saw him lose in the playoffs, of course,
but we never saw him lose once he started winning.

(01:00:22):
It was just like over right, he never lost, no,
and that that is is different. And you know, did
did you say did Jordan obviously had better teams? I
mean he made them better, but you know Dwayne, Wayne
and Chris Bosh that all Lebron with, right with Pipping

(01:00:43):
and Roding and then all in Lebron's draft class, right right?
Think about that? Come on, And then that's not to
mention the Ray Allens who was past his prime but
still a great shooter. But and then he's in Cleveland,
Kyrie and Love, I mean the two mister numbers in Minnesota.
But people don't realize not only was was that the

(01:01:04):
super team of those guys, but it also weakened that
conference by taking those guys from their team, right right,
Absolutely talk about that. That's why you're able to dominate.
You just took you just direct two teams, no, no question,
because that's the thing. Like obviously in Cleveland, Lebron didn't
have a Pippin Like his first go round in Cleveland,

(01:01:25):
but obviously after that, you know, Miami and then Cleveland
again they had he had starts playing with him there. Yep,
let's start squeeze in Justin in Virginia. You're on the
yard couple, Fox Sports Radio. What's up Justin? Hey, what's
up guys? How y'all doing? Yeah? I'm good. Yeah. I
just want to say, I mean, I don't think Jonda

(01:01:46):
canna have any more fans really, I mean, everybody buys
his shoes. He's probably still the rigid athlete each year.
I just think that if they had an HBO or
a place where they can show the cursing, I think
it would be a little bit politically incorrect for nowadays.
But I think obviously you're saying Jordan's cursing, yeah, because

(01:02:06):
I'm pretty sure Jordans behind the scenes, he's cursing that
these guys and everything, because you know, I'm pretty sure.
But they're gonna clean that up on ABC and the ESPN.
We well, ESPN. I mean, look nowadays, we see Lebron
cursing all the time, and you know what I mean,
even in their championship parade. But I think basketball court,

(01:02:30):
you know how people are cursing. You put people in
the grate with somebody's garbage. You see a lot of things.
I say, they showed that. That's interesting to say. Yeah,
it'll be interesting to see how they do that. You know,
do they beep it out? Do they? Yeah, that'll be
that will be interesting. All right, appreciate the call so much.
Thank you. Do we have time for one more? Knowledge
we don't. Let's move on, all right, we got we

(01:02:53):
got one more? Yeah, Mark and Sacramento, make it quick.
You're on the couple far sports radio. What's going on, gentlemen?
He hey, he'll he'll get more fans because you'll see
the raw Michael Jordan. This is the part that's been legendary.
We now get a chance to hear him talk about
it and see it and at anger from Jerry Klaus.
There's a part of the Dream Team that talks about

(01:03:13):
that when it went up to twenty KU coach because
that was about Jerry Kraus. So I hope they play
on some of that too. You guys have we'll give
him and I'll talculate, right. Yep, thanks Mark, short and
see beautiful. Yep, thank you a lot, Thanks a lot, Mark.
All Right, We got our man Martin Weiss about to
join us. Hopefully he's not in his bathroom. The regular
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The only hard part is figuring out which way is easier. Rob,
You know, I'm flicking channels, you know, in between in
breaks and uh, I don't know if it's still on
in this hour, but it was on a replay of
the horse competition. Uh that's on the other network. And uh,

(01:04:23):
what did you What are your thoughts? Did you watch
any of it? Do you have thoughts about you know,
the horse, how they did it? What's your thoughts about it?
Qu no interest whatsoever? Thank you. I'm just not I'm
not interested in that. I tried. It's tough horses. It's

(01:04:44):
only fun if you play right, I would. I just
don't have any interests on in that. It was it was,
it wasn't it wasn't good all right. Anyway, my man
Martin Wie is here at trolling or rolling Tom Brady,
he's done. Aaron Rodgers did not have a Pro Bowl season.

(01:05:07):
It's trolling or rolling. Guys, Which do you think has
better watchability? Poker on TV or Horse on TV? Because
poker was really popular for a while, but it really
kind of fell out, And I'm just curious now in
twenty twenty twenty, which would you watch first? Neither. I
never watched poker until I love to play poker when

(01:05:28):
I go to Vegas. Never watch one show of somebody
else playing poker. Yeah, I used to play poker in
high school with friends and it was a ball. But yeah,
I never have watched it at all. I can't imagine
there's no way I can sit there and watch poker
on TV. You know, as as as boring as the
Horse has been, I would watch Horse. It's just when

(01:05:49):
I heard you guys talking about Horse going into it,
it just made me think, It's like, those are two
things that are much better done by participating instead of watching. Right,
So I was gonna say college, we used to have
a Tuesday Poker night Tuesday night poker game, played poker
every Tuesday night. Loved it, but I wouldn't watch one
minute of it. Right, But I'm here for Crimna Roland,

(01:06:12):
and if this is the first time here in this segment,
I'll breaking down for your real quick. If Grob and
Chris liked the story that they that I read you
the roll sounds, I'm sorry the roll sound, hey, go
appreciate that. And if they don't, you had a troll sound,
oh man, hey, hey hey. So, like many states, Nevada

(01:06:34):
clothes non essential business the state wide to help curb
this bread of the coronavirus. People who gamble for a
living normally wouldn't be able to collect unemployment, but if
the state wide shutdown of casinos who the coronavirus may
change that, the government the governor ordered the shutdown of
casinos until April thirtieth and positively longer, so gamblers will

(01:06:55):
not be able to visit their quote work sites for
at least three more weeks. Of course, to us vocal
mem for the Department of Employment, Training and Rehabilitation, gambler
are considered self employed and they qualify as independent protectors
during this unprecedented situation and under the new Cares Act, Chris,
are you trolling our role in professional sports gamblers collecting

(01:07:17):
unemployment right now? Wow? That's a that's a great question. Um.
I mean, i'd really have one a half time to
really think about it. But obviously you need an answer now,
So I'm going to say I'm trolling it. Oh man, Hey, hey, hey,

(01:07:38):
hey hey, Look, gambling is becoming more and more legitimate
in our society. So as that happens, it's going to
be viewed as more and more legitimate work. So and
I don't want to disrespect anybody's work. Um, but right now,
I'm not there yet. So that's why I'm trolling it.
But you know that could change. That's a that's troll.

(01:08:01):
I'm trolling that. Come on, oh man, hey, I mean
that's how people really make their living. Well, I don't
know what I would have to see. Do they file
that taxes? Do they pay that they pay taxes on
the money? Do they do they appoint these guys were
paying They're paying taxes on all the taxes on income.

(01:08:21):
Didn't they should get unemployment. I'm I'm talking about when
I go into a casino and I put down something
and within fifteen hundred dollars, That's what I'm saying. But
if they pay taxes and all of their uh gambling
is monitored and determined, that's totally different. Can be as
a as a like that's what you do for a living, right,

(01:08:43):
that's different. That's still made professional gambler. Yeah, I mean,
I guess you know there are other professions people do
you know that you wouldn't think they're gonna get unemployment
for it, you know what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, they're
not on their back for the last month, so they
might have to. But serious, you know what I mean. Like, so,

(01:09:03):
but it's legal, you know, gambling, So it's a tough one.
But like you said, if they paying taxes. If they're
paying taxes, you can monitor it. That's something different. Trolling
rolling odd couple of Fox Sports Radio, and of course
we all missed the NBA, we all missed sports in general.
But there's a new plan that might get it back
that might actually work. There's a new proposed longline saying

(01:09:27):
that Walt Disney World of Florida would be the best fit.
The ESPN Wild World of Sports complexes there, and there
are two hotels right down the street within walking distances,
over four thousand hotel rooms. And best of all, Disney
World is a private complex, so it would be relatively
easy to close outside access and maintain a quarantine department

(01:09:48):
for players and their families. Rob, are you trolling or
rolling the NBA at Disney World. I'm trolling it? Oh man, Hey, hey,
I'm just not on board with keeping people apart families, wives,
I get it, and I think, uh um, I just

(01:10:08):
I don't. I think it's a you know, on paper,
you could kind of come up with this idea. I
think it's above and beyond the ask people during this
time to work and not have even during the quarantine. Chris,
your wife ain't in another house, your daughters aren't somewhere else.
You're together as a family. Am I right? No? You're
right right? Would you would you go for that? If

(01:10:30):
you told everybody that you had to separate Chris from
your wife indefinitely and your two daughters and they had
to be separated, people in this country would not buy that,
would not go for that? Why would the players doing well?
What I think is. I think it's different with basketball,
and it's why I'm rolling with it, rolling with it

(01:10:53):
because I'm like, Baseball, how long is that season? You know,
it's a whole season, and right, so you're talking about
being separated for five, six months whatever it is, you know,
four to five to six months. You know, for the
entire season. Football, you got an entire season to play,
so you gotta be separated that long. Basketball you're only

(01:11:15):
talking about probably two months. And so that's the difference.
And from most of the guys, it's not even gonna
be two months. Some of the guys will be back
after two weeks, you know, or a month if they
have a training camp, you know, because they won't make
the playoffs. Then others will be eliminated early in the
playoffs and they'll be back with their families. So I

(01:11:36):
think because it's not a full season like the other sports,
I think the players and even the families will be
more open to it. So that's why I'm rolling with
this troll and rolling odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.
It's pretty much a four gone conclusion at this point
that Joe Burrow will be the first quarterback off the board.

(01:11:57):
A week from today during the virtual NFL Draft. While
people expect two A talking about Loa and Justin Herbert
to be top ten picks, TOA has a spiding down
team's draft forwards because of injury concerns after that group
of hip injury last year, NFL Network hold twelve general
managers and executives, and seven of them predicted Herbert would

(01:12:18):
be drafted before Tuba Rob. Are you trolling or rolling
Herbert is a better quarterback process? I'm trolling? Oh man, Hey,
hey hey, the only reason is the injury. But seven
out of twelve, seven out of twelve isn't that overwhelming

(01:12:39):
to me? You know? And the only reason. If if
Too wasn't injured, I would probably be twelve to nothing
or eleven to one. So I think that's the only
reason he's slid down or people. It's not about his
talent or how good he is. I think if he
was healthy, he might be the number one overall pick. Yeah,
I'm trolling it as well. Hey, hey, hey, hey, look,

(01:13:03):
I get obviously you always have to take injuries into consideration,
and a guy that's been injured in college, you know
that's gonna concern you a bit. However, Deshaun Watson was injured,
Patrick Mahomes was injured. Carson Wentz was injured. Now Wentz,

(01:13:24):
it's followed him a little bit in the NFL, but
he's still, you know, been able to play for the
most part. Um so, and I think two is a
better quarterback. So that's why I would go with him.
If I'm Miami and I could draft either one of
those two, I'm taking too U at five all right,
all right, Martin White, Martin's disappeared. I'm glad you got

(01:13:44):
out of the bathroom though, Martin. Listen. I just I
just had them, Uh you know, I've been here all week.
I just had them came and installed some new uh
salute signal in my bathroom. So I got. I got
the five tea in the bathroom now, so I got.
I'm good to go. Broadcast everywhere, work, data, work, all right.
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(01:14:07):
Odd Couple with Chris Brussar then Rob Parker weekdays at
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and Rob on a TV theme show Thursday, Rob, what
is this? Adam twelve? Superhero super Friends? Is that super Friends?

(01:14:27):
Super Friends? Very nice super friends? All right, du Adam twelve?
One of these days? Remember that? Rob? Oh? Yeah, I
mean I was a tiny kid when that was out
super Friends. I remember Chris and Alex they were That
was on Saturday morning. Yep, I remember. I actually loved that.
It was um on on Instagram or on Twitter. They

(01:14:52):
wanted it, so they recommend They requested all the all
the super hit Batman, Robbing, aquam Man, Wonder Woman, Superman,
The Wonder Twins. Oh wait a minute, Chris, Now you
just said it, the Wonder Twins. I want you to
name the Wonder Twins. Who can name the one? I
can't name. All I can say is their song. Their

(01:15:13):
Their little theme was Wonder Twin Powers Activate. That's all
I knows. Zan and Jana the Wonder Twins, and they
had a monkey name Gleek. Only I would know that
you did would sit around and watch TV. No, I
can't name. You know everything about every show Wonder Powers

(01:15:37):
Activate four movad Why didn't we call the show the
Wonder Twins The Wonder Twins we're not twins. You know,
even that would good daughters their radio. But that would
have been on brand though, because you guys are making
it habit of just ripping things off old TV shows.
Is that what we do? That's right? That was bad

(01:15:59):
even either it's been on TV in the seventies or
Rob did it back in the trust. That's what this
show is. I am upset about that. Every little thing
he comes up twenty years ago in Detroit. I mean,
nobody listens, so it works. Nobody knows. You know, that's
been bad for us, So good for us, it's been good.

(01:16:20):
Its been good for us. But I'm sure the ten
people in Detroit, they used to listen to your show
or like that when Bernie Fratto and Mark Rolson, right,
Bernie shot me attacks and I just wanted you to
something kind of upset about the our couple name because
we had your first But it's okay, that's what he said.
Oh all right, Uh, let's get the shop talk. Nobody.

(01:16:45):
Nobody ain't still been a bomb shop, you know that
ain't nobody you were talking about whoever, whatever whatever you
want to in the bob. It's shop talk, yes, sir,
this shop talking do this every single day we discussed
something that happened outside of the world of sports. It's
gonna be a quick one because we only got two
min it's left in this segment. But this story came
across across Twitter today. Did you guys, I mean, you

(01:17:05):
know that Bruce Willis and Demi Moore were a couple
back in the day. I think we all kind of
know that. Oh yeah, but did you know that even
though Bruce has remarried, he is currently quarantined with his
ex wife and the three kids that they share, ages
of A twenty sixty thirty one, while his other younger
kids with his new wife, eight and five are with
their mom home alone. So here's the question, guys, you're

(01:17:26):
the thoughts on Bruce Willis quarantine with his ex family?
Sorry where you rob? I think that's fine, and you
know what, this is what I'm thinking happen. He was
spending time with those kids when everything hit the fan,
and then they decided that, you know what I mean, like,
you shouldn't leave that where you were and go somewhere else.

(01:17:47):
So he just decided to stay because he had already
been with his kids there, and I think that's why
that's the only reason that makes sense. I'm no. I mean,
I get that he's doing it. I think there's a
legitimate reason, and you think that's it. I mean, I
think it's a legitimate reason. But I'm still saying, as
the other spouse, the current spouse, you're not happy about it.

(01:18:10):
You know what I'm saying, You're gonna be happy about that,
but you can't expect him, I mean, never to see her.
I mean they have people together. No, but you, I'm
saying you're not gonna be happy about it. Although I
don't know how you know the virus, you know, I
just my point is his current spouse probably isn't happy

(01:18:32):
about it. Of course, you you trust your spouse. You
you feel like you can trust you if you don't
have If you don't have trust, you don't have a relationship, right.
But a lot of spouses break that trust. Obviously, I'm
not saying he will. But I'm just saying, just because
you trust them doesn't mean they're trustworthy, you know. So
I I could see how she wouldn't like that. That's

(01:18:55):
all I'm saying, rod G Would you like her? Oh?
Hell no? If my wife went to see her ex
boyfriend or whatever and gotten trapped because of the RONA.
I would leave my house immediately with a full hazmat
suit just to bring her back home because this household.
Why my man, look at robs. You can do it,
cannot side, can coach with them, can't do it? I

(01:19:18):
think too. Once you've had relationships like that, it's easier
to fall into something like that. I really do slide
into something to fall on you, just you know, slide
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(01:20:00):
bottom of the hour. One of our favorite NFL guests,
he's a former GM in the league and now an
analyst for the NFL Network. It's none other than Charlie
Castlelei and we got plenty of basketball to talk about
before Charlie joins us, and that's where we want to

(01:20:21):
start with the NBA, and I guess college basketball to
some degree. But the big news of the day, Rob
is that one of the top prospects high school prospects
in the nation, if not the top high school player,
Jalen Greene, has decided that he is going to rather

(01:20:43):
than go playing college for a year, he's going to
join the NBA's G League initiative. It's like a special
select team that they're putting together, and he's going to
be paid five hundred thousand dollars. They'll play twenty some
odd games, maybe a dozen of them against G League teams,

(01:21:07):
several against foreign international or foreign national teams, and they
will get life lessons off the court to prepare them
for the NBA. They won't have to go playing all
of the small G League cities and ride the bus
with the G League and all that, and you know,

(01:21:29):
they get to work full time on their craft, and
really it's preparing them for the following year when they
can enter the NBA draft. And I like it right.
I think it's a great idea. It'll be a handful
of high school players that it's open to. We'll see
how many accepted. But with that kind of money, I
don't think it hurts their exposure because you know a

(01:21:51):
lot of people know about these high school kids already
with social media, with coverage now on the national level
of the best high high school players and teams, they'll
be well known. LaMelo ball is, I don't know. He's
a little bit of a special circumstance because his dad,
but he's the most well known player in this draft

(01:22:12):
coming up, and he didn't play a minute of college basketball,
so it won't hurt their draft stock. They won't of course,
playing March Madness and all the tradition and the pomp
that comes with playing NCAA basketball. They'll miss out on that,
But it's not a bad trade off if you can

(01:22:33):
deal with that. For me, it's just whatever it is
you're up to. If you want the money grab five
hundred thousand is great. If it was the one twenty
five they originally talked about, I wouldn't want no part
of that because one twenty five ain't that big when
you take away forty percent on taxes and an agent's
fee and all the other stuff. Chris, you don't wind

(01:22:53):
up with that much money, but five hundred thousand is significant.
I would rather have a Meloanthony one year in college
if it was possible. And I'm not saying everybody gonna
play one year and win a championship. I'm not saying that,
but a chance of that and being big man on
campus and everybody falling over you, and the women going
crazy over you, and your your friends at home watching you,

(01:23:18):
if you're playing at North Carolina and they're playing Duke
in a big game, and a chance to shine. I
get to social media, I get all the other stuff,
but nothing wearing a certain uniform and being a part
of a certain organization. It's it's it's bigger. And I
would say to you, Chris, you could have maybe the
same exposure doing social media and doing some stuff, or

(01:23:42):
you could work for Fox, or you could work for ESPN,
or you can other people take that other route, right,
But there's something prestigious about being at certain places. And
that's all I'm gonna say is I think that's what
you lose. And I know they're trying to soften the blow,
and you're not gonna be on the buses with all it,
all the other all the other G League ers. So

(01:24:03):
you're already telling me that the G League is garbage.
That's why you don't have to participate in it. So
it's not garbage. It's a minor league. There's no more
garbage than the Triple A, double A single. But the
difference is and the fact that everybody but play these
high school kids, which is another reason, but not putting
them in it. But but but you still would play

(01:24:24):
even if, no matter how big of a star, if
you went to the minor leagues you go through. You
might not go all the way to triple A, Chris,
you might, you know, get go to the majors from
double A. But you go to the minor leagues and
you ride the buses and you do everything that everybody
else does. That's all I'm saying. It's a difference. Yeah,
I think, uh some people are wondering, Okay, is this

(01:24:45):
a death sentence for college basketball? Man? College basketball? Look,
they go, they can make money because I think March Madness,
because of the gambling aspect is going and just because
of the way the tournament is, it's going to be
popular no matter what. But college basketball is dying. It's dying.

(01:25:10):
There whether it's the overexposure, the best college aids kids
are in the NBA. Heck, remember a few years ago
the Marquelle Faults number one pick didn't make the nc
Double A Tournament March Madness. The next year, Ben Simmons
doesn't make March Madness, or maybe it was reversed, however
it was. But you know, it's just nobody really pays

(01:25:33):
much attention to the regular season. All they've got now
is March Madness. As far as you know, really having
a lot of interest from more than your die hard fans.
Like I said, that was the most popular guy in
the draft, Anthony Edwards, James Wiseman. We know more James

(01:25:54):
Wiseman because of the scandal at Memphis, but we don't
know him. You know, that's the only reason we know him.
Most people, casual fans can't name anybody else at the
top of the draft. So college basketball is in trouble
in general. As far as just a popularity standpoint, there's
there's no doubt about it. And the other part is,

(01:26:16):
and I know people always think that more is better,
but when you oversaturate something, Chris, it just there used
to be games I used to watch college basketball. I
covered Saint John's for the Daily News in New York.
I told you Mark Jackson was on the team, and
Walter Berry and guys like that and Loue, Yes, you

(01:26:38):
know what I mean. And Blue Cornersector was the legendary coach.
Mullen had had already left the year before I got there,
but I was. I traveled with them. I covered their
games and all that, and and I did. I don't
know if I ever told you who the other beat
writers were. They have I ever told you this? Cliff
Brown ready for this. So I was working for the

(01:26:59):
Daily News. Bill Rowden, legendary commas from the New York Time,
was the be writer for Saint John's. Michael Kay, the
Yankee announcer, was for the New York Post Wow, And
Sandy keenan who wound up being going into executive side
of Newsday, was from Newsday. And the four of us

(01:27:20):
covered that team, Michael Kay and Bill Rowden and me.
But anyway, my point is, um, I don't know what
my point is. I forgot it. Well, that's fine, so
let's move on. Bill Lamb Beier, and we've been talking
about Michael Jordan. The last dance coming up But Bill Lambier,
you mentioned it rib earlier. Detroit gotten that made me

(01:27:43):
the one city in America that has no love loss
for my Even New York got love for him, and
he beat New York up worse than Detroit. They would
like for Michael to score fifty, but the Knicks to win.
But they did ye Michael Jordan, I agree, not Detroit.
They they hate him and hated him. They want a
bad boys, right, the bad boys don't want to give

(01:28:04):
him any love. Ah, He's all right, he was, he
was okay, we beat him? How good? Right? Like, come on,
we used to beat up on Michael Jordan. And so
it's no surprise that they always name Lebron is the goat.
But here's lamb Beer just just disrespectful. I'm very vocal.
I think Lebron is the best player it's ever played

(01:28:25):
the game. He's six foot eight, two hundred and eighty
five pounds, runs like the wind and jumps out of
the gym. And more importantly, when he came in the league,
from day one, he knew how to involve his teammates
to win. And that's something that Jordan had to learn
for a long time. Now, if you go by championships. Obviously,
Michael Jordan has more championships, but I think Lebron in
any generation would be doing what he's doing right now

(01:28:49):
all these years, and I think he at the end
of the day, I firmly believe that he's the best
basketball player in the history of the game. Well, Rob look,
obviously Lebron is tremendou this Both of us have him
as the second best player of all times, so this
is not taking anything away from him, But I want
to throw this out. It's kind of a twist on

(01:29:09):
the goat discussion because both of us have Jordan is
the goat, and I'm asking this because I want to
hear the viewers. I want to hear your opinion, and
I want to hear the listeners opinion. Lebron doesn't. And
I've never even used this in the goat debate when
I'm saying why Jordan is better, But it is something
I could use and probably will use going forward. Lebron

(01:29:33):
in his seven sixteen years, let's not count this year,
his sixteen years in the league, none of his teams
he has yet to be a part of what most
would call an all time great team and beyond and
what's debt. Now, if you want to say Miami, I

(01:29:53):
think you're they're low on the list. You know, there's
a lot of teams I would put before that Miami
team with Wade and Bosh. But you can get what's
undeniable is Lebron definitely has not been a part of
a dynasty or I never forget being a part of

(01:30:14):
it led a dynasty. Because here's the thing. If you're
the goat, do you have to have led a dynasty?
Michael Jordan created a dynasty. If you want to throw
Magic and Kareem in the conversation, they were a part
of a dynasty. They co led a dynasty. You know

(01:30:35):
in football, Tom Brady dynasty, Joe Montana dynasty, and I'm
just throwing it out there, even Kobe and Shock dynasty
a short one, but a dynasty. Three pet dude, what
do you think about that? I'm asking you do should
a part of the criteria be that you had to

(01:30:58):
have led a dynasty? Because if you're the greatest ever,
then you you wouldn't lant a team that dominated. I
don't disagree with that at all. I mean, if anything,
you know, but if anything, if you look at Miami
I think that they were a disappointment more than they
were some celebrated team. I mean, let's be honest, Chris,

(01:31:21):
when you have that big fanfare and you go through
all the uh not two, not three, not four, that's
what people thought they were put together. They were gonna
win all these championships. They were gonna wreck the East
and and and have a chance to win every year.
And they lost two of the four, and I think
that that made them If they had they won Chris

(01:31:44):
the last one and it was three in a row,
then they all right. But you know what I mean,
you would put yourself in rarefied where you would be
a dynasty three in a row. I always say to me,
a dynasty, you gotta win three in a row or
three out of four. To me, that's when you dominated
an era, a part of a league. It's three in

(01:32:06):
a row or three out of four. So they didn't
do that. They won two when they lost two, which
most people would take. But when you have that talent
and those kind of people put together, because you expect
more than that to illustrate your point. And you know,
obviously I was a huge part of that coverage when
when those guys teamed up together, and that night I

(01:32:28):
was all over TV Sports Center when Lebron, you know,
made made the decision. If you had told me, if
somebody had been across from me on Sports Center and
said they're gonna win two of the next four championships,
I would have laughed in their face. I would have
been like, that's it, You're crazy. They're getting at least three,

(01:32:52):
if not four. I mean, that would have that was
the thinking at that time. Am I correct? At least
saw us what. I don't say they're a disappointment, but
I would say this, they're closer to a disappointment than
to a dynasty. I agree with that, That's what i'd say, right,
But I'm saying that they're not a dynasty. So are two?

(01:33:14):
And two is mediocre? Chris? I mean, I know I'm
talking about championships, but I'm talking about with the talent
that they had, they were expected to do more. Yeah,
And so it's just like I said, can you be
the goat if you didn't create a dynasty? And I

(01:33:35):
know that's high cotton. You're asking somebody to walk in,
you know what I mean, Like, I mean, you're really
putting the bar high. But that's what we're talking about.
We're talking about the greatest to ever play a game.
And you know what should be high. They're more like
the Kobe powder Lakers than they are the Kobe shack Lakers.

(01:33:55):
Think about that. Oh yeah, right, Kobe Powdy one two
they won two and check they want three one one two. Yeah. Yeah.
So it's a I think it's an interesting part of
the discussion, and we want to get your guys to
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(01:36:38):
off with Richard and West Virginia. You're on the eye couple,
Fox Sports Radio. What's up? Richard? All in the family
and the Jeffersons, two of the greatest sitcoms of all time.
If not, they are in the discussion for sure, Yes,
no doubt. As far as Lebraun, first of all, I
was thinking not winning championships, getting three or four championship

(01:37:01):
doing that, But what have you done? Nobody else has done.
Went to the Cleveland Cavaliers. They didn't have a great
team surrounding him, but just him himself, he won them
and they didn't won anything in any sport. And fifty
years Lebron comes along and wins him a championship with
the Lakers. You have to avoid this year. But you

(01:37:24):
just think right now, if they want to cap on
going either won them a championship. I don't know about that.
I don't think that was automatic, Richard, that they were automatic.
He got a chance. No, I didn't say that, but
I said I don't think it was automatic. And that
might be Richard brings up a good point, Rod, because,
as you know, if he leads the Lakers to the championship,

(01:37:46):
he will become the first player, you know, if he
does it before Kauhi. Yeah, but a lot of the
first player to ever lead three team different teams the championships.
Is that the type of thing that can override you
not having had the dynasty. No, it just means you
moved around a lot, and it doesn't really that that
thing doesn't really meet it just because most great players

(01:38:08):
don't go to three different teams. That's that's the reality
is most great unless it's at the end of it.
It's impressive though I'm not I'm not impressive, but but
but you gotta admit, most great players will moved around
right and he only won to right, but most don't
most that's all. I'm not knocking it, but I don't
think it would would would uh up some somebody else?

(01:38:32):
All right, Max and Daytona, Florida, you're on the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up? Max, Rob, Chris?
Much love. First of all, I hope you guys are
safe and wealth. Thank you Max, Thank you man. We
appreciate that. Yes, now from DADTONA, yes, sir. Now here's
the first thing. Rob, I'm not even gonna talk about
the forty wings. You're gonna owe me when Lebron wins
it with LA this year, this one, I'm gonna talk

(01:38:52):
about a right, we do have a bet, Yeah, we do,
we do. He's gonna owe me forty wings. I'm gonna
fly all the way to LA so I can get
it fresh off the stove. Nice um. Now here's the thing. Now,
he doesn't have an all time great thing, an all
time great team, but I think that's acts that's my rebuttal.
He is the all time great because how many players

(01:39:15):
in general have gone to eight straight finals teams? Let
alone you have to think of Bill Russell's Boston Celtics.
So he doesn't have an all time great team, and
he has three rings already. But here's all time here's
but here's Michael Jordan made it an all time great team.
If you look at the players on that roster without
Jordan's yes, that's not gonna trump Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen,

(01:39:40):
none of those guys. None of those guys are better
than way to Bosh, none of them. Right, right, Let's
let's be honest though, Michael Jordan, Kevin Love. Michael Jordan
never won a playoff series until Scottie Pippen got there.
But Pippen wasn't that good for those first few years
he averaged I think seven points. Like Jordan built Pipping

(01:40:02):
into what he became. You could just see it. You
can watch Pipping's development. I can remembering the playoff game, Chris,
where Scottie Pippen sat on the end of the bench
in the game seven against the Pistons with an ice
pack on his head because he had a migraine. Do
you remember that, ye, come on out in the game seven?
He sat there and didn't play. I don't know if

(01:40:22):
the flu and he played a couple of minutes, Chris,
I don't know if he played a game. He even
may he was on the bench dressed, so he may
have played. Might played two or three minutes, but for
the most game, for most of the game he's sitting.
I never thought Scotti should cover from that. That's your
guy and a game seven Pipping look and I get
I give all respect to Scottie Pippen because he was

(01:40:42):
a great player, and he was He's a tremendous robbin
you know, he was just a tremendous robbing but I
don't think he would have ever become what he did
without Jordan. And I don't mean because Jordan was drawing
so much attention that people didn't pay as much to
Scott No, I don't meaning in that we guard. I
mean the improvement you saw in Scottie Pippen. Every year

(01:41:07):
rob he got better. And I remember watching him and
I was relatively young at that time, but looking at
him and saying, it looks to me like this dude
is mimicking to the best of his ability, Michael Jordan.
Like you could see the development in his game. He
played differently than Jordan, but you could just see he

(01:41:28):
was getting better and better every year. And I don't
think without Jordan pushing him, challenging him, setting an example
for him, that he would have become that guy. All right,
let's squeezing James in South Carolina. You're in the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio. What you got, James, Man,
I don't even know how we're coming to this thing,
even being this close. I mean, do people do people

(01:41:50):
realize how many times Jordan was named All defensive teams.
I think he's a great player. Don't get me wrong.
Don't get me wrong. He's a phenomen an athlete his
size and hissability. But the goal, Come on, man, Michael
joined us. This guy will so with us, a beast
on defense and offense, and he just basically led the team.

(01:42:11):
And I agree he made Scott a typical here's the post.
Those guys who practice. He hit um passing in the
road with the ball one time because he wasn't playing
in the right position. Jordan was just a phenomenal athlete
and he just demanded everybody to give what he gave.
Ain't even close. Ain't even close. Now there you have it,
all right. We will be joined by our man, Charlie

(01:42:31):
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He's one of our favorite NFL guests. He's a former
GM now with the NFL Network as an analyst. Charlie Castilely, Charlie,
welcome to the Eye Couple. Charlie, Hey, get anything, gave me? Hey, guys,

(01:43:13):
good to be with it. It's good to have you
on as always. Let's get right to it, Charlie. Uh
to uh. I mean, you know, obviously there's a lot
of smoke screens out there right now, but there's it
looks like he may be dropping all the way out
of the top ten. What do you think about all
this smoke that's out there. Well, I don't think it's smoke.

(01:43:35):
I think I think there's some reality to it. Um
and I do the single be as the chargers do.
The chargers pass the guy and I'm not. My guess
is they don't. Okay. I can see more of Miami
not taking them than the chargers letting him slide. Okay,
because he slides fast the charger. You know a lot

(01:43:57):
of teams that donated quarterback because of his injury or
I don't know that it's all because let me say this,
based on the information I have, it's not all because
of the injury. Now I think he's a top five player. Um,
the injury is a roll of the the ice. All medicals

(01:44:17):
are a roll of the dice. Okay. Curtis Martin was
rejected medically. He's in the Hall of Fame. Drew Bees
was rejected medically as a free agent. He's going to
be in the Hall of Fame. Will he rope is Way?
He was rejected in the expansion driving two thousand and two.
He's in the Hall of Fame. See, So it's it's
a it's a total guess from everybody whether this guy

(01:44:38):
is gonna be healthy, and maybe some people just pass
on him because of that team. Um, he gets into
the teams, you know, you start thinking about it. Okay,
John Gruden at Oakland, does he like the guy? Okay?
Does he take him? And you know, now you got
two quarterbacks. You see what happened. So, um, Miami's sitting
there with another pick beside me. Interesting if he ever

(01:45:00):
got to another pick Aaron Rodgers in MFL he was healthy.
So yeah, so do you Uh so Burrow is the
number one pick? Is that kind of certain or well?
Cincinnati never told me that, Okay, So, but I respect
that but I gotta believe he's their pick. And I

(01:45:24):
go back to this, Mike Brown's the owner of the
team Otto Graham. Ten straight years they went to the
championship with Auto Graham. They know with the franchise quarterback,
they got a chance to win, and now they got
a chance to get a guy. He's the best guy
in the draft. So I think he's as good as
say Andrew Luck No, is he John Elway? No? But

(01:45:44):
he's the best guy in the draft. And when I
did a poll of twenty seven teams in the league,
twenty three had him ahead of two. And that's with
two totally healthy. That was my forget to his medical
how do they play on the field? They voted for
Burrow and Chris let me take let me jump back
in real quick. Charlie, what about the Lions? Are they

(01:46:05):
gonna are they? Who are they gonna take at three?
Are they gonna drop down? Would they even chance if
we're taking a two way even though you have Stafford there? Uh?
What about the Lions? I'm interested? All right? Well, again,
this is just my opinion. I think they'd like to
drop down. Nobody wants to come up. It seems at
this point I all right. So I think they say

(01:46:27):
at three and they take a coon of the corner
from Ohio State, which would be, you know, a great
pick form at that point. So I think that I
don't think they can drop down and to me, that's
the guy they would take. Charlie, how much do you
like Justin Herbert and more and compare and compare. You know,
do you like him better than two or no? I

(01:46:50):
think there's a twenty difference between him and two. I'd
be concerned. I have a concern level of concern about him.
I like the athletic talent. Some people will think he
might be quiet as a personality. I don't know if
that's a problem or not. When you watch him on tape,
there's an inconsistency factor with accuracy and decision making. In judgment,

(01:47:12):
he doesn't have the anticipation that say Daniel Jones does.
He hesitates, he waits till the guy gets open. I
watched the number of games on him. I think I
saw one play where it was a back shoulder throw,
a timing throw where I could say, boy, that's anticipation.
When when I asked a question, they said he never

(01:47:34):
had to have anticipation they they trained him to throw
when the guy is open, well, asking that anticipation. So
that's said, that's why he does it. But my concerns
are anticipation, consistency with accuracy, and decision making at a
high level for a top ten take. I think he's
better than Josh Allen a Buffalo, but I have there's
some of the same concerns about the same areas of problems.

(01:47:58):
Let me ask you this, Charlie. We saw some rumors
about ob j potentially being traded to Minnesota. Cleveland came
out today and kind of shot those down. Do you
think they should look to move on for him? I mean,
not give him away for a terrible deal, But do
you think they should be looking to move on for
him or do you think it'd be better to give

(01:48:20):
him a new shot with this new regime and see
if they can put all that talent together. First of all,
they came out and said they're not trade him. I
believe that I would definitely give him a shot with
this new staff. I gotta believe the new staff wants
a shot, you know what I mean. The guys are
terrific talent and I don't know this, but I believe he.

(01:48:44):
I believe he wasn't an issue for Cleveland. I mean
I was told that, So I'm gonna believe it. And
let's get him a shot with this new staff and
see how it goes well. Charlie, I'm gonna push back
on that. Look at his numbers he didn't have. He
had like his worst year as a pro last year.
He's been hurt a lot. Look at the last three years.

(01:49:04):
He was caught up in wearing a watch on the field,
which is just another distraction. He also wound up giving
Tom Brady some funky cleats as if Tom was retiring
or something. I just I just wonder if you can
get something now, why not when he didn't make you
any better last year? Wow, The thing to me was

(01:49:28):
so screwed up there that I don't know how to
give a fair evaluation to the players they had. And
so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. On
the coaching situation there last year, and they namely the
head coach. I mean, he didn't do a good job,
and I'll be polite about that. So I'm going to

(01:49:48):
give him the benefit of the doubt. I know his
personality is different, but let's see how this coaching staff
handles him. The bigger problem to me is Landry. Landry
thinks he's a one and he's not a one, and
then that's where it's spreading the ball all around becomes
a problem. That's gonna be interesting how they handled two
of them. Last thing, Charlie and we we got about
a minute left. Actually looks like we, uh, we gotta

(01:50:11):
move on. So Charlie, thanks a lot. I appreciate it,
to appreciate it. Charlie's safe as we all continue to do, okay,
greing with you guys. All right, Charlie, thanks, and someone
in sports is setting Joe Burrow up to fail. We'll
discuss next couple of Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to

(01:50:33):
catch live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris Brussard
and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Wow,
was that that's from a caller or a tweeter? Yeah?
He's named Rob Parker? No, no, no, no, I sent

(01:50:53):
that because they sent it to me on Twitter. Yes,
it was another request. This wasn't I forgot about Neil Carter?
Now Carter, we give me some special fact about don't sing? Please,
but tell me about some special fact that nobody knows
about this show. I know you got one. Why you
gonna put me on the spot. I'm just saying, I

(01:51:13):
remember this show talked about. I mean, you know every
I mean, you're you're the sitcom king. You're not the
poopoo king. Well you're the poopoo king too, but you're
the sitcom king too. That's so funny. You say that,
and I'll have you do have something right, But I
don't have Neil Carter and give me a break. I
don't I know the show, didn't watch it like you

(01:51:35):
aren't really into it? No, but I like she was
the spin off? What was she in before? She was
Fucky Brewster or something like that? No, she gosh, what
show was she she was? I think a Maid or
some other show. Her show Give Me a Break was
a spinoff of because she I think, I think if

(01:51:56):
I'm if I remember correctly, But anyway, Uh, we'll move
on from that. But I'm shocked. I stumped you. I
can't believe I stumped you on a sitcom. Yeah, I'm
sorry about that. I did. I thought you knew every
single thing there was that was one. I know the show,
but I'm telling you you were older. You couldn't in fairness,

(01:52:18):
I was stop look at you all right? Anyway, rob
we were as we wrap up another three hours of
the Eye Couple. Uh. I like Boomer Sciason. But he
said something Robbed about Joe Burrow, who why do you
gotta sugarcoat if by saying you like him, just say it.

(01:52:40):
I do. I want to say that, but you don't
have to say that just to I didn't say it
because I had to. I say that because I wanted to,
and he was you know, I liked him as a quarterback.
I think he does a good job as an announcer. Um.
But anyway, he said something about Joe burr Row that

(01:53:01):
I just think is, uh, it's too much. And here
he did. I'm just gonna read it, and y'all, I
can't believe anybody's not gonna think it's too much. I
equate him to win Lebron James came out of high school.
I can stop right there. He's not Lebron James, but

(01:53:24):
I'll keep reading. His senior year and the Cavaliers had
the top pick. They had some good years under Larry
Nance how he picked Larry Nance of all the Mark Price,
Brad Doherty. I was gonna say, Doughty and Mark Price,
I would say first. I think he just I don't
know what he was thinking. But anyway, they had some

(01:53:44):
good years under Larry Nance, but they were never thought
of as the Bulls or the Lakers or Celtics. Really, Okay,
see you see Boomers out there. He's just all over
the place. Think about what he just said. They had
some good years under Larry Nance, but they were never

(01:54:05):
thought of as the Bulls, Lakers, or Celtics. You think, gosh,
they were the Cleveland Browns. For God's sake, all right,
I'm sorry, they were the Cleveland Cavaliers. For God's sake.
He grew up in the shadow of Cleveland and brought
them the championship. Now it's Joe Burrow's time. This is
his time. He's got to go home and get it straight.

(01:54:27):
And he's the reason they get it straight. That's the
way it should be written, and that's the way he
should be looking at it. Now. If you're trying to
charge him up, if Boomers his attitude coach, you know,
if if Boomers the guy that gets him hyped for
his workouts, the guy that's getting his confidence up his

(01:54:50):
sports psychologist. I get it, you're Lebron. Joe. Oh, the
Cavs were nothing. They were guard bitch. They reviewed just
like the Bengals. But a hometown kid from the same
state came out of nowhere and led him to the
promised land. That's you, Joe. I get that. But if

(01:55:14):
you're saying this as reality, as a real scouting review,
stop it. That's okay. I just want to make sure
that was pretty good. I got was passionate that. I
just think it's always hard when you want to compare

(01:55:36):
somebody at that let's even you know what this goes
back to, and I know this will be a like
the Baby Jordan. What was his name, Harold Minor? Remember
that Harold I covered the cast. Remember that poor Harold
Minor they called his nickname was Baby Jordan. Harold Minor
was never made or. He was closer and I and

(01:55:57):
I say this because Harold was a really nice kid,
but he was closer to Baby Hue. Come on, and
all I'm saying is what Gusto and I get you
your faith a former Bengal and all that, but this
is way over the top. Yes, should the Bengals take him? Yes?

(01:56:17):
All the way he had to put together the greatest
college football season by a quarterback ever, arguably, right, Chris, Yes,
I would say he probably was. I mean, and I think,
and I think you would be crazy to pass on
that because I don't know, you got some hunch on
somebody else. I just you're scared, right, you know that

(01:56:40):
quickly because you're on the roll. But you know, there
was the rumors that uh Kobe and his his agent
scared John Calipar and the Nets from taking him, from
drafting him when he was in the draft. I don't
doubt it. You could scare people. They were like, we
ain't going there, we ain't playing for you, blah blah blah. Right,
But that's that's one of those things. And I think

(01:57:03):
in this case this is just over the top homerism.
But the Bengal should take him. He's he's the right guy,
he's from the areas from Ohio. I think it's just
the right thing. And if it doesn't work out, quits,
it doesn't work out. But I'm not gonna be afraid
to take the quarterback who just put together the greatest
season ever. Yeah, and look, I like Joe Burrow, Um

(01:57:26):
I think, I mean, look, the dude was tremendous, and
I don't want to I really don't want to hear
all he had the great players with him, all he
you know, look at those receivers. Alabama's got that, you know.
I mean a lot of guys had come from situation
like that, So I'm not gonna hold that against him.
I think Joe Burrows is a really was a great

(01:57:47):
college quarterback. Should go number one. I couple. We'll see
you guys tomorrow. Be safe out there, pas

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