May 15, 2020 • 37 mins
It's The Best of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob discuss the radical NFL proposal that would reward teams with improved draft slots for hiring minority coaches and executives, settle the Isiah Thomas vs. Steph Curry debate once and for all in the latest edition of Six Minutes, and tell us why Aaron Rodgers should be commended for the way he's handled the Green Bay Packers decision to draft his eventual replacement - Jordan Love - in the first round of the most recent NFL Draft.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. Today, it was
reported on NFL dot Com by Jim Trotter that the
league is going to present a couple of resolutions to
the Rooney Rule in an effort to help the league
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hire more coaches of color. Right now, three of the
last twenty head coaching hires were of a person of color.
Last year they have five openings, only one went to
a person of color. And in the league of thirty
two teams, two general managers are of color. And the
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league understands that that's not enough. And so this proposal
is gonna be put forth, and Rob G's gonna explain
it in a succinctive manner. That's right now. This is
the way it's set up. If you hire a black
coach and he's there at least one season, then your
third round pick will go up six because you gotta
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be there for more than one year. Right, it'll go
up six slots if you hire a Remember Steve Wilkes,
right was van near one or two. I think Joseph
was too. Right. Yeah, Now, if they hire a minority executive,
most likely a general manager, and he's there at least
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a year, it'll go up ten slots in the third
round wherever you're picking. If you hire them both in
the same season and they're both there at least one year,
you go up up sixteen slots, which means if you're
picking at the top of the third round, you're suddenly
picking in the middle of the second round. This obviously
isn't ideal. You know, you hate to put something in
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like this, but let's just face it. The owners have
shown they've proven that they're not going to just hire
coaches based on merit. Now again, let Joe judge new
Giants coach. He may turn out to be great. I
have no idea, None of us have any idea. What
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I am saying, though, is that his resume, which is
its supposed to be about your resume, what you've done,
your qualifications, he comes up woefully short. Special teams coach
at Alabama for three years, special team teams coach in
New England with the Patriots for eight years. Last year,
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I'm sorry, special teams slash wide receiver. That's it. You've
got African American coaches who have paid their dudes, who
have done tremendous jobs, who have been under great coaches.
Eric b Enemy comes to mind, but there's more. You know,
he's the offensive coordinator with Kansas City. Obviously did a
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great job with them. Matt Nagy preceded him, got ahead job,
Doug Peterson proceeded Nagy, got ahead job, and be Enemy
comes up short. You know, Byron Leftwich is out there.
Jim Calwell, Rob we mentioned did a very I mean
it's Detroit, for goodness sake. And in Detroit he made
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the playoffs two out of four seasons, and they told
him winning nine games was not enough and they brought
in Matt Patricia. He's won nine games in two years.
You know, So I just I hate that you would
have to resort to something like this, but it's been
proven time and time again in that unless forced, some
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people in society will not give people of color the
equal opportunity. And we had a caller in the first hour,
Rob say, you can't change people's hearts. You're right, you
cannot change people's hearts, but you know what, you can
make a law that will force them to do the
right thing. When the laws were changed in the sixties,
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the civil rights you know, to grant civil rights African Americans,
white hearts didn't change overnight. There are sings that still
haven't changed. But you made you put in laws that
could legislate against over discrimination. And it's been that way
the entire time. Gosh, I wish we didn't need the
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Thirteenth Amendment that in the slavery I wish we didn't
need the fifteenth Amendment that was supposed to give us
the right to vote, but then we needed the Voting
Rights Act of nineteen sixty five. I wish we didn't
need affirmative action, but we did. My father was beneficiary
of that in that first wave of African American college
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graduates hired in the early seventies, given a corporate job,
he was qualified, graduated with a degree in business, qualified,
got the job, did a great job, raised the good family.
I benefit, my kids benefit, but had it not been
for a law affirmative action that some thought was unfair,
he never would have got the chance, even though he
was qualified. And so look, I don't know if they're
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gonna pass this thing, because it does seem strange, But
I don't know what else you can do. You can't
just trust the goodness of the owner's heart to do
the right thing and look at qualified candidates. I'm gonna
jump in and I'm gonna say shame on the NFL,
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Shame on the black players that make up the majority
of the league for allowing us to continue to happen. Chris.
It's not an issue in the NBA, but they have
had many a black coaches and general managers, and the
same thing. We've had a number in baseball, not enough,
but we've had a number. We just talked about. The
first black general manager in baseball was back in the seventies,
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nineteen seventy six. So there's been a number of people
through the years, not enough, but there have been some.
And for this to still be a problem, no other
sport have. They had to legislate and make rules to
make people interview people. At one point, it was so
ludicrous and so ridiculous jobs would open up. They wouldn't
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even interview a black assistant coach or a coordinator. So
they came up with the rooty rule. Now here we
are twenty twenty, and they want to add what I'm
now calling the looney rule. That's right. The loony rule
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is so loony that they want to and set and
have like an incentive, give a coupon and cookies or
a draft pick. If you get a black guy, hire
a black guy, will give you a coupon, you can
move up in the draft. How insulting, how embarrassing, And Chris,
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this is the worst part though. It's in something to
all the black coaches who have work their asses off
for an opportunity. Yeah, but it's not their fault. No,
but it's insulting that that's alting to the owners that
something like this has to be done. No, get them
to open up their minds. But but it compromises and
makes people feel like you're giving these guys something that
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they don't really deserve. That's why it's insulting. These guys
have played the game, studied the game, they know the game.
And you know what, Chris, here's the other part, the
end in NFL stands for no appetism. You want to
go around, Yeah, I want somebody to go and do
their homework. And it ain't. Look at all these damn
coaching Look at all these leagues, all of them, they
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all hired their kids in the NFL. If you want
to you want to know how to make it to
be an assistant coach, either your dad hired you, Chris,
or he makes a phone call to one of his
coaching colleagues and say, give my boy a job on
your staff. That's how those guys get hired. And then
all of a sudden, guys who haven't even played they
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once had what was the guy's name in Kansas City,
I know, I was gonna forget his name. Who who
didn't even play football, who made it as an NFL
head coach. He was a golf He played golf in college,
but his dad was an NFL coach, and he gotta
I remember the name, can get down. I remember the name.
And he had problems with football players pushed back, but
he played golf in college and became an NFL head
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coach because his dad was. And my point is, we're
not in that position. And if a black guy Mike
Tomlin wanted to hire all his family and friends. You
they would frown upon that time. It happens everything Todd Hale, Right, Chris,
did you here? Todd Haley played golf in college. He
became an NFL head coach. And this is and these
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are the things that I'm talking about. We're not asking
for a handout or or or some charity case. How
dare these owners look at thumb their noses down at
the same guys who played the game and excel and
black people and Hispanic people and minorities have up and
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down rewritten the record books in the NFL and help
that game grow to be what it is. And then
you're gonna have the nerve to say we're good enough
to play but not good enough to coach or run
a team. It ain't right and the players shouldn't have
how forget the rules, forget about that. Don't go play
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on organizations that don't give minorities opportunities. You want to
change their minds. That's how you change their minds. Chris,
let me throw this at you, Rob and I hear you,
and I think ultimately we're on the same page. But um,
I don't look at like if if if, if they
go through with this rule and an African American coach
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is hired, and I won't look at him, and I
don't think he should look at it like I only
got the job because you know, we got draft picks,
you know, improvements and all that stuff. And others shouldn't
look at him like that either, because you understand the
playing field is not level. So you're doing this. You're
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doing this to lead you know, this is being done
to level the playing field. You just mentioned it. Todd
Hailey played golf. Was he qualified? I mean, we're gett him, Like,
how in the world did this dude get it? My
point is people gotta understand black people are not the
only beneficiaries of affirmative action. There has been affirmative action
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in this country for whites ever since the country existed,
and before America as we know it existed or in
this land. That's just a proven fact. And so anyone
for anyone to act like it's just blacks who have
gotten these types of quotas, and that's ridiculous because how
many whites have been hired just because they're white, because
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they either weren't considering somebody else or nepotism or whatever
put in the door. And that's all we're talking about.
How in the world could a league could could a
country be seventy percent white and the NFL be seventy
percent black. I'll tell you right now, Chris, if the NHL,
which is what ninety percent ninety five percent white, right,
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if the NHL had ninety percent black coaches, wouldn't you
look at that and go, this doesn't make any sense.
If ninety percent of the coaches in the NHL were black?
What what what would you say? Looking right? It would
be odd looking at why people look at this way
because of the history of the country. Why is every
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owner white? Or you know, essentially there's there's I know,
there's uh the one, the one of color, but you
know that's the history of this country, you know. And
so here's what I'll throw out at at you ride quickly.
I get what you're saying about the players. We both
love to see them stand up for it. But let's
assume they don't, because let's not the history that the
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history is that they won't do it. So let's say
they don't do that. What would you in in place
of this rule, what would you suggest that we just
wait it out and and hope for the best, or
that they put something in to get us in the door,
and we can prove. We shouldn't have to proven at
this point, it's been proven. Should have never even had
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to be proven in the first place. But to those
that needed it, it's been proven, Chris. And you don't
get companies in this country where you can't hire relatives,
how about starting there to stop hiring relatives. You know
that there are plenty of companies. If it's your if
there's somebody related to you, Chris, they can't work there.
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You just teams. You'd have to do the whole league. No,
that's what I wotism right, And I don't look, I
don't even I'd hate. I wouldn't even like to go
there because you know, Kyle Shanahan, his dad might you know,
like he deserves a shot, but he gotta work his
way up like everybody else. That's what I know what
I'm saying. But if we can't, can't we get companies though,
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I know what you're saying, but they know what happens
time and time again. Your dad as a coach, all
he has to do is make a phone call Chris,
some guy he gave a chance to down the road. Right,
my son's getting into coaching. Can you put them on
your staff? Yeah, instant credibility doesn't need question. Yes, And
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here Rob and look, let's just keep it real. Look
at the history of the NFL. At first, blacks could
only be running backs and wide receivers and cornerbacks couldn't
be a safety. You gotta think too much linebacker, middle linebacker,
think too much. Quarterback. No, don't even think about that.
You couldn't even been Chris right, right, that any of
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those positions. We just was the speed, you know. And
then yeah, obviously things opened up. And the last Bashton
was quarterback. Let's keep it real, the last Baston was quarterback.
And now you see those doors have opened. And how
many of the best Patrick Mahomes, de Sean Watson, Russell Wilson,
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I mean, how many of the best quarterbacks in the
league or African America. So every obstacle in this sport,
every every advancement, there's been an obstacle. But the difference
is on the on the field. As you talked about
earlier in the show, Chris, you can't you can't fudge it, right, right,
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you can't fudge it. You might want the white guy
to be your quarterback. He ain't good enough. He did
this other guy's better. Do you know what I mean? Like,
you can't fudge that, right, you can fudge, but you
can coach or general manager. You just said it the
guy judge in New York, right, because it's largely a
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guessing game anyway. Right, you don't know if the guy's
gonna be a good head coach or not. Don't We
can't go off all. We should go off of his qualifications.
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Thanks minute, Thanks minutes that game friends beyond, couple of
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They only have six minutes. That's right, it is six
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at a fifty pm cern where we have Christ and
Rob go head to head to debate some of the
hottest topics in sports. The only catches they only got
six minutes and beyond a couple of callers are the judges.
We got five judges to hold right now. The first
one to get three votes is gonna win. And today's
topic we've kind of been debating a little bit throughout
the last week or so and even before that, but
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here it is. Right now. The CBS and ESPN released
a pole that lists Steph Curry as the thirteenth greatest
player in NBA history. More surprised than that, though, was
Isaiah Thomas was about twenty spots below that. So here
is the eight topic. Who should be ranked higher all time?
Isaiah or Steph Chris We'll start with you, all right.
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This is tough because Isaiah's my man. But Steph Curry,
if you're looking at him objectively, it's not even a debate.
He's the best shooter in NBA history. He's changed the
way the game of basketball is played at every level
from elementary on up to the pros. And when you're
telling the story of basketball. Because of those two factors,
he undoubtedly has to be mentioned before Isaiah Thomas individually.
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He's got more honors two time MVP, first ever unanimous MVP,
six time All NBA in fewer seasons in Isaiah played,
and Isaiah only made five All NBA teams, none of
them during his championship years, and Steph always was two times,
was always on all NBA's championship years. Individual stats, he's
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a higher points per game, higher rebounds, better field goal percentage,
better three point percentage, fewer turnovers game, better free throw percentage.
And while he's not a great defender, Isaiah wasn't either,
never made an All defensive team, and Steph led the
league in steals one year, something Isaiah never did. Analytically
is not close. STEP's got more twenty three more win
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shares in two hunder eighty fewer games because the more
games you play, the more win shares you can get.
And he's still got Isaiah beating three hundred fewer games,
almost five points higher on his PR. In fact, Steph
seventeenth all time PR, Isaiah one hundred and fiftieth team success.
Steph's got him beat three championships, five straight finals appearance.
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Nobody had done it in fifty three years since Bill Russell.
And if you think it was Kadi's team, sink again,
they went twenty five and one with Steph playing and
out Kake, no KD. They went twenty eight and eighteen
playing with KD and no Steph place. He got a
seventy three win season. He beat Lebron, Kade Westbrook, Harden,
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Chris Paul, and Anthony Davis all in their prize without
Kevin Durant. Of course, Chris had to bring up Kevin
Durant because you can't talk about Steph Curry without Kevin Durant.
That's what makes Isaiah Thomas the better player. You could
throw around all these phony numbers. You want Isaiah Thomas
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on the fifty Greatest Players of all time also in
the Hall of Fame. And when you think about what
he was able to do to transform that the lowly
Detroit Pistons that were the second worst team in the
NBA when he was drafted there and too back to
back champions something that hadn't happened in the nbation's nineteen
sixty eight sixty nine. When he led that team to
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two championships, it could have easily been three if it
wasn't for that bad call against the Lakers. Isaiah Thomas
did nothing, but when he didn't have a plethora of
other great players. He didn't have another great fifty top
top fifty player on his roster to team up with.
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He also was able to beat Michael Jordan during his heyday,
Larry Bird during his heyday, and Magic Johnson during his heyday.
Nobody can bolster that. When you think of Isaiah Thomas,
he was that tough guy who can forget that game
six with a badly sprained ankle twenty five points. There
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are no magical moments for Steph Curry in any big games.
It's not about Steph has never been a big game player.
What is his moment? Somebody please help me, There is none.
It was always about other players. Kevin Durant was a
two time back to back Finals MVP for a reason.
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He overshadowed Steph Curry. Nobody could overshadow Isaiah Thomas on
that team. It was his team. Everybody knew it. All
of his accolades matter. The most Hall of Famer and
fifty greatest player of all time, and he slayed every
big giant in his way during that time, turning that
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franchise around. He is the best small guy who's ever
played in the NBA. Isaiah. He scored twenty five in
that quarter rob they lost that series, and in the
other six games in the series, Isaiah average less than
sixteen points on thirty seven percent shooting. Also, Isaiah had
the biggest big game mistake of the two players. Remember
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the gaff in nineteen eighty seven. They had Boston beat
about to go up three two in the conference finals.
He throwed the point guard in bounds pass, throws it away,
Larry Bird steals it. They win the game and going
to win the series. Conversely, Steph Curry has averaged twenty
six and a half points in the playoffs. At twenty
six and a half points in the finals in his career,
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that's the tenth highest scoring average ever in the finals,
second highest ever a month point guards twenty six and
a half points higher than Kobe Dirk, Hakim, Kareem Shack,
Larry Bird, Chamberlain, Doctor J. Dwayne Waite, Rick Barry. I mean,
he's been phenomenal in the finals. Twenty six points a game.
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He's not phenomenal. That's why he's never won a Finals MVP.
They gave it to Iguadowa the first championship and Steph Curry.
They claim if the average twenty six points to tell
you they were meaningless points. And when the game is
on the line, remember he's old for eid to tie
the game or put his team ahead in the final
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twenty seconds. He doesn't make the big shots. He's not clutch.
And talk about a gaff in that three to one
choke job. No other player has ever choked down a
three to one lead in the NBA Finals except the
Steph Curry led Warriors. That's what he has to wear.
Remember that bad pass he was trying to do it
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empty doodle behind his back and turn the ball over.
It was a huge turnover in the fourth quarter. Isaiah
Thomas is a champion and when the Pistons won, it
was about Isaiah Thomas, not about other players. Steph had
a dream team. That's why he was able to win.
Wow Wow, Wow, I tell you guys, the our couple
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is working. Price of admission. Come on, and right now
we got to head out to the college. We got
five judges our hold you guys, now it works. The
first one to get three votes will win this debate
and settle it once and for all, Isaiah versus Steph.
So let's get started. William in Kansas City. Who you
got I got Steph Curry, I'm riding with I'm riding
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with my boy Chris. Just text you huh now trying
to steal my my my material man? Come on, I
see he didn't even give you any reason. William, just
that he defended your side, cbup wanting nothing. Let's move
on now, Joe in Detroit, who do you think want
that battle? Yeah, I'm going I'm going with Rob. I
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gotta go with Isaiah Thomas, my man Detroit. Come on,
we should ban Detroit from why Detroit's one of my
best areas of a city. You know everybody, I guarantee
you you know Rob or whatever his name was. All right,
it's one to one, and now it's kind of funny
brought Detroit because now move on to California. Marcus, who
do you think want this debate? I'm going through the
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person who came through in the clutch, Isaiah Thomas. Just
when the clutch he never wins two to one, one
more can win it, or we can push it to
vote Number five. Mo in Atlanta, Who do you got? Mo? Mo?
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The suspense is killing me. We're gonna move on. Jeff
in Virginia. Who do you think want his battle? I
gotta say Isaiah never choked the three one week, so
let's go with us, no doubt about it. That's right.
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I'm the poopoo kids, I'm the poop poo king Rob Parker.
In three weeks, Rob has won it twice that day
over Chris Bussar. I'm a wards. You and Steph Curry
take that week choking dog three to one championship, and then, uh,
that's smoking. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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NFL first, though. Rob and Aaron Rodgers spoke today to
the media for the first time since they draft. The
Packers drafted Jordan Love and I thought he was great.
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I thought he was honest. He didn't you know, he
didn't just say the right thing he said. I think
what's really in his heart. I think that you just
hit the right word and continue. But honest is what
I got to Chris. That's the first word I thought
of in reading those quotes. YEA, yeah, well here he
is talking, you know, there's a lot to get into.
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He did talk about his initial reaction when they drafted
Jordan Love and how he's kind of disappointed. Now I'll
get into that in a moment, but we have a
clip of him talking about the possibility of finishing his
career in another uniform. Well, I think what it does
is just reinforced kind of the the the adage that
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you can only control what you can control, and it's
always been, you know, a mantra for myself. I think
any you know, any great athlete, there's things that are
just out of our control. That obviously is something it's
very important to me, but I think, you know, is
definitely telling at this point that that is truly, uh,
something that's out of my control. What I can't control
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is how I play, and making that decision at some
point a very hard one. You know. If I were
to retire in the organization's timetable, then it's an easy decision.
But if there comes a time where I still feel
like I can play at a high level and my
body feels great, you know, then there's you know, other
guys have gone on and played elsewhere. Rob It's it's
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hard for him, I guess not to understand it because
he was the Jordan Love at one point, you know,
for Brett, was that yeah, emotions get away. Yeah, you know, emotions.
You're human. So you're disappointed, your egos bruised, you know whatever.
But if you sit back and think about it, you
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gotta realize, hey, there, you know, they drafted me and
they got thirty years of great quarterback play, you know,
and now he's thinking maybe they'll get another fifteen after
I'm done. Just just a side note, and we'll get
back to this. Just a side note. And I wonder
you know a lot of people say we hear the
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clip of Colin even saying I'm not here to be
a Doug god leads mentor or whatever. I don't want
him to have my job. And dud dude, is that
how you act? Is that a part of who you are?
Because I like not wanting to mentor yes, because I could,
I could not be more opposite. I don't look at
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it that way, Chris, I really don't. There's plenty of
play space for everybody, and to help people along the way,
like people help me. I don't look at it that way.
If I help, if I help a young kid, right,
now at USC I'm not worried about like, oh, in
three years, you know, Fox is gonna push me out
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and and he's gonna take my job with Chris. Do
you look, I'm surprised when I hear stuff like that
about people mentoring. I'm with you, you know, you both
you and I we mentor guys. You know, we talked
to guys up and coming in the business. Jason McIntyre
still tells a story about how I was one of
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the few guys that treated him nicely when he met
I first met him. I was working at the New
York Times, you know, coming the Knicks, and he was
because he never forget that, right right yeah, and uh yeah,
I'm more mean to him now. Well you know him now,
right right. I do think rob though, I do think
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there's just a different sports is a different business. Let's
say I'm a great point guard, right and they draft, uh,
you know, a great point guard out of college. I'm
kind of depending like Chris paul is mentoring Shay Gilgris Alexander.
But Chris Paul is, you know, thirty five, thirty six
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years old, and say Shay Gilders is about twenty twenty one,
So there's such a big gap. Chris knows this is
the end, and Chris is starting alongside him, so he
steals playing. If I were if it's a close, if
it's in sports and I'm the point guard and I'm
only in my seventh year and they draft somebody else,
and you know, he's competition. Like, I think sports is
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a little different, though, Rob, I really do. Now. I'm
not saying you gotta be mean to the guy obstacles
in his path, but I gotta there's only twelve spots,
whereas even in sports writing is obviously a limited number
of people doing it. But it's just I just think
it's different in sports because I'm competition is so yeah,
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do you do you see a little difference. I mean,
the only difference I would say is I look at
it from this stamppoint that that you're no one's gonna
You're not gonna have the job forever. And I'm not saying, Chris,
I'm gonna like do stuff so that you could take
the job from me. No, I'm gonna still do my thing.
But that doesn't mean I can't show you some nuances
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or do you know what I mean? If you're a Willing.
I would look back at it down the road and
be like, you're the legacy you leave behind is like, man,
they're like four grade point guards in the NBA. And
guess what they all worked under Chris Broussard. Like Chris
Broussard wasn't a selfish player, he do you know what
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I mean? Like like like it doesn't hurt you. You
can't play forever. Aaron Rodgers can't be the quarterback forever there,
Brett Farve couldn't be. And now, like you hear Brett
Farve saying all this nice stuff about Aaron Rodgers. He
wouldn't talk to the guy when he was there, do
you know what I mean? Like I don't get that.
I do, yeah, And I look, I'm not saying, like
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I said, you gotta be mean to the guy or
you don't talk to him and help him in certain ways,
but you're I mean, Farve was still in his you know,
in his prime, and Rogers is still I'm sure he
feels like he's in his prime, you know. And I'm
gonna kind of bring it back Robin Aaron. I think
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he should look at this like because let's face it,
he has you know, he hasn't been as good the
last few years. He's been good, but he hasn't been
the old Aaron Rodgers. And I'm thinking that this might
because look, he Mike McCarthy had gotten stale. Let's we
know that the offense had gotten stale, and then you
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know Aaron, you know there he certainly has something to do.
I mean, I'm not saying he pulled the trigger on McCarthy,
but you know he had something to do with McCarthy
being let go. So he hasn't had anything to really
light that fire under him outside of his own in
this you know, innate competitiveness. And I'm thinking maybe this
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is something I hope you know, this is something that
he looks like like, Okay, they think I'm almost done.
They got my replacement right here. Let me go out
there and show them I do have five six good
years left. Like I would love to see this light
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of fire under Aaron Rodgers and maybe way came out
of what might have been some complacency and maybe he
has one of those boundary you know, throwback years. Rob. Yeah,
I don't know if you if you were under the
same system and you're mixing in some years where there
was injury as well. And it's not to make excuses,
but I'm just saying when you look at all of
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that in a new head coach who's trying to make
his own name and trying to do you know, he's
one of those uh Sean McVay people, right, who had
a cup of coffee and a sweet role with Sean
and got a job. So all these guys are trying
to make their own It happens all the time. Chris.
It's it's like, this is not new. How do you
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become the big dog and let everybody know you go
after the biggest guy in the room. Right, We've seen
it happen, local saying the coach. The coach is kind
of going after Rodgers. Yeah, yes, that's what I look
at it as like, I'm I'm running this and this
ain't gonna be you might have You might have been,
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I'm running this. We had success. You don't think that
coach feels good the first year they go thirteen and
three and get to the NFC champion. Biship game is
first year as a head coach, so so you feel
I think you feel comfortable and confident to be able
to make a move like that off of success if
you were if they if they were eight and eight
Chris and didn't make the playoffs and they drafted a quarterback,
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I think it would be total I would be shocked,
and it would be totally different here because they would
have to say they got holes. Though I'm just talking
about that they need to feel. But if they were
eight and eight and obviously Rogers would not have had
a spectacular year, Yeah, but if they might have been thinking,
he's he's further gone than some people think already, So
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I think we need a replacement. I think there would
be other holes that you would have to look at first,
defensively or whatever else would have would have made you
a Nate. I don't think that a coach would have
been able because if you would have get you remember,
you would be drafting a player who's not playing. Aaron
Rodgers is under contract for four for three more years
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at big money. So I'm saying, if you're a night,
you can't afford as a as a as a new coach.
Do you see what I'm saying? To have another bad
year so you have to answer some players to it.
That's all I'm saying. Yeah, Uh, it could be interesting
you you said Aaron Rodger before you. I don't know
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if they'll try to move him eventually. Um, but what
if it doesn't go well in Denver with Drew Locke,
does alway go ahead and get Rodgers toward the end.
But you know what I'm saying, Like he got Peyton
Manny toward the end and got a Super Bowl? Could
he had a bad stretch? I'm sure you look at
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the quarterbacks that have come through Denver. It's it's my boggling,
isn't Yeah, other than like I said, other than Peyton.
And here's what Aaron rob Aaron said about his reaction
initially to the pick. And I like this because it
was honest, he said. I think the initial reaction was surprised.
Not gonna say that I was thrilled by the pick.
But I understand the organization is not only thinking about
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the present but the future, and I respect that. I
understand their focus and their mindset. I think that's a
solid and honest answer. Now he's in position ride where
he could he could have thrown him under the bus,
because he's got his money right. He could have been
like guaranteed. Yeah, he could have been like, look, we're
we were thirteen and three, we were we were close
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to getting there. We need help right now. Jordan is
a great guy. Talk to him. You know, I think
he's got a bright future, but you can't. These opportunities
to win a Super Bowl do not come along very often.
Those and that's real to say that. He could have
said that, and that would and that would be cool,
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because that is real, Chris, and you know it. The windows,
what do we say? There are no five year plans
in the NFL anymore. That's not how it's done. And
if you and if you have an opening or a window,
you have to jump through it. You have to because
you just don't know how long it'll take
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. Today, it was
reported on NFL dot Com by Jim Trotter that the
league is going to present a couple of resolutions to
the Rooney Rule in an effort to help the league
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hire more coaches of color. Right now, three of the
last twenty head coaching hires were of a person of color.
Last year they have five openings, only one went to
a person of color. And in the league of thirty
two teams, two general managers are of color. And the
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league understands that that's not enough. And so this proposal
is gonna be put forth, and Rob G's gonna explain
it in a succinctive manner. That's right now. This is
the way it's set up. If you hire a black
coach and he's there at least one season, then your
third round pick will go up six because you gotta
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be there for more than one year. Right, it'll go
up six slots if you hire a Remember Steve Wilkes,
right was van near one or two. I think Joseph
was too. Right. Yeah, Now, if they hire a minority executive,
most likely a general manager, and he's there at least
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a year, it'll go up ten slots in the third
round wherever you're picking. If you hire them both in
the same season and they're both there at least one year,
you go up up sixteen slots, which means if you're
picking at the top of the third round, you're suddenly
picking in the middle of the second round. This obviously
isn't ideal. You know, you hate to put something in
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like this, but let's just face it. The owners have
shown they've proven that they're not going to just hire
coaches based on merit. Now again, let Joe judge new
Giants coach. He may turn out to be great. I
have no idea, None of us have any idea. What
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I am saying, though, is that his resume, which is
its supposed to be about your resume, what you've done,
your qualifications, he comes up woefully short. Special teams coach
at Alabama for three years, special team teams coach in
New England with the Patriots for eight years. Last year,
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I'm sorry, special teams slash wide receiver. That's it. You've
got African American coaches who have paid their dudes, who
have done tremendous jobs, who have been under great coaches.
Eric b Enemy comes to mind, but there's more. You know,
he's the offensive coordinator with Kansas City. Obviously did a
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great job with them. Matt Nagy preceded him, got ahead job,
Doug Peterson proceeded Nagy, got ahead job, and be Enemy
comes up short. You know, Byron Leftwich is out there.
Jim Calwell, Rob we mentioned did a very I mean
it's Detroit, for goodness sake. And in Detroit he made
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the playoffs two out of four seasons, and they told
him winning nine games was not enough and they brought
in Matt Patricia. He's won nine games in two years.
You know, So I just I hate that you would
have to resort to something like this, but it's been
proven time and time again in that unless forced, some
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people in society will not give people of color the
equal opportunity. And we had a caller in the first hour,
Rob say, you can't change people's hearts. You're right, you
cannot change people's hearts, but you know what, you can
make a law that will force them to do the
right thing. When the laws were changed in the sixties,
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the civil rights you know, to grant civil rights African Americans,
white hearts didn't change overnight. There are sings that still
haven't changed. But you made you put in laws that
could legislate against over discrimination. And it's been that way
the entire time. Gosh, I wish we didn't need the
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Thirteenth Amendment that in the slavery I wish we didn't
need the fifteenth Amendment that was supposed to give us
the right to vote, but then we needed the Voting
Rights Act of nineteen sixty five. I wish we didn't
need affirmative action, but we did. My father was beneficiary
of that in that first wave of African American college
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graduates hired in the early seventies, given a corporate job,
he was qualified, graduated with a degree in business, qualified,
got the job, did a great job, raised the good family.
I benefit, my kids benefit, but had it not been
for a law affirmative action that some thought was unfair,
he never would have got the chance, even though he
was qualified. And so look, I don't know if they're
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gonna pass this thing, because it does seem strange, But
I don't know what else you can do. You can't
just trust the goodness of the owner's heart to do
the right thing and look at qualified candidates. I'm gonna
jump in and I'm gonna say shame on the NFL,
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Shame on the black players that make up the majority
of the league for allowing us to continue to happen. Chris.
It's not an issue in the NBA, but they have
had many a black coaches and general managers, and the
same thing. We've had a number in baseball, not enough,
but we've had a number. We just talked about. The
first black general manager in baseball was back in the seventies,
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nineteen seventy six. So there's been a number of people
through the years, not enough, but there have been some.
And for this to still be a problem, no other
sport have. They had to legislate and make rules to
make people interview people. At one point, it was so
ludicrous and so ridiculous jobs would open up. They wouldn't
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even interview a black assistant coach or a coordinator. So
they came up with the rooty rule. Now here we
are twenty twenty, and they want to add what I'm
now calling the looney rule. That's right. The loony rule
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is so loony that they want to and set and
have like an incentive, give a coupon and cookies or
a draft pick. If you get a black guy, hire
a black guy, will give you a coupon, you can
move up in the draft. How insulting, how embarrassing, And Chris,
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this is the worst part though. It's in something to
all the black coaches who have work their asses off
for an opportunity. Yeah, but it's not their fault. No,
but it's insulting that that's alting to the owners that
something like this has to be done. No, get them
to open up their minds. But but it compromises and
makes people feel like you're giving these guys something that
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they don't really deserve. That's why it's insulting. These guys
have played the game, studied the game, they know the game.
And you know what, Chris, here's the other part, the
end in NFL stands for no appetism. You want to
go around, Yeah, I want somebody to go and do
their homework. And it ain't. Look at all these damn
coaching Look at all these leagues, all of them, they
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all hired their kids in the NFL. If you want
to you want to know how to make it to
be an assistant coach, either your dad hired you, Chris,
or he makes a phone call to one of his
coaching colleagues and say, give my boy a job on
your staff. That's how those guys get hired. And then
all of a sudden, guys who haven't even played they
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once had what was the guy's name in Kansas City,
I know, I was gonna forget his name. Who who
didn't even play football, who made it as an NFL
head coach. He was a golf He played golf in college,
but his dad was an NFL coach, and he gotta
I remember the name, can get down. I remember the name.
And he had problems with football players pushed back, but
he played golf in college and became an NFL head
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coach because his dad was. And my point is, we're
not in that position. And if a black guy Mike
Tomlin wanted to hire all his family and friends. You
they would frown upon that time. It happens everything Todd Hale, Right, Chris,
did you here? Todd Haley played golf in college. He
became an NFL head coach. And this is and these
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are the things that I'm talking about. We're not asking
for a handout or or or some charity case. How
dare these owners look at thumb their noses down at
the same guys who played the game and excel and
black people and Hispanic people and minorities have up and
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down rewritten the record books in the NFL and help
that game grow to be what it is. And then
you're gonna have the nerve to say we're good enough
to play but not good enough to coach or run
a team. It ain't right and the players shouldn't have
how forget the rules, forget about that. Don't go play
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on organizations that don't give minorities opportunities. You want to
change their minds. That's how you change their minds. Chris,
let me throw this at you, Rob and I hear you,
and I think ultimately we're on the same page. But um,
I don't look at like if if if, if they
go through with this rule and an African American coach
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is hired, and I won't look at him, and I
don't think he should look at it like I only
got the job because you know, we got draft picks,
you know, improvements and all that stuff. And others shouldn't
look at him like that either, because you understand the
playing field is not level. So you're doing this. You're
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doing this to lead you know, this is being done
to level the playing field. You just mentioned it. Todd
Hailey played golf. Was he qualified? I mean, we're gett him, Like,
how in the world did this dude get it? My
point is people gotta understand black people are not the
only beneficiaries of affirmative action. There has been affirmative action
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in this country for whites ever since the country existed,
and before America as we know it existed or in
this land. That's just a proven fact. And so anyone
for anyone to act like it's just blacks who have
gotten these types of quotas, and that's ridiculous because how
many whites have been hired just because they're white, because
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they either weren't considering somebody else or nepotism or whatever
put in the door. And that's all we're talking about.
How in the world could a league could could a
country be seventy percent white and the NFL be seventy
percent black. I'll tell you right now, Chris, if the NHL,
which is what ninety percent ninety five percent white, right,
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if the NHL had ninety percent black coaches, wouldn't you
look at that and go, this doesn't make any sense.
If ninety percent of the coaches in the NHL were black?
What what what would you say? Looking right? It would
be odd looking at why people look at this way
because of the history of the country. Why is every
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owner white? Or you know, essentially there's there's I know,
there's uh the one, the one of color, but you
know that's the history of this country, you know. And
so here's what I'll throw out at at you ride quickly.
I get what you're saying about the players. We both
love to see them stand up for it. But let's
assume they don't, because let's not the history that the
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history is that they won't do it. So let's say
they don't do that. What would you in in place
of this rule, what would you suggest that we just
wait it out and and hope for the best, or
that they put something in to get us in the door,
and we can prove. We shouldn't have to proven at
this point, it's been proven. Should have never even had
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to be proven in the first place. But to those
that needed it, it's been proven, Chris. And you don't
get companies in this country where you can't hire relatives,
how about starting there to stop hiring relatives. You know
that there are plenty of companies. If it's your if
there's somebody related to you, Chris, they can't work there.
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You just teams. You'd have to do the whole league. No,
that's what I wotism right, And I don't look, I
don't even I'd hate. I wouldn't even like to go
there because you know, Kyle Shanahan, his dad might you know,
like he deserves a shot, but he gotta work his
way up like everybody else. That's what I know what
I'm saying. But if we can't, can't we get companies though,
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I know what you're saying, but they know what happens
time and time again. Your dad as a coach, all
he has to do is make a phone call Chris,
some guy he gave a chance to down the road. Right,
my son's getting into coaching. Can you put them on
your staff? Yeah, instant credibility doesn't need question. Yes, And
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here Rob and look, let's just keep it real. Look
at the history of the NFL. At first, blacks could
only be running backs and wide receivers and cornerbacks couldn't
be a safety. You gotta think too much linebacker, middle linebacker,
think too much. Quarterback. No, don't even think about that.
You couldn't even been Chris right, right, that any of
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those positions. We just was the speed, you know. And
then yeah, obviously things opened up. And the last Bashton
was quarterback. Let's keep it real, the last Baston was quarterback.
And now you see those doors have opened. And how
many of the best Patrick Mahomes, de Sean Watson, Russell Wilson,
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I mean, how many of the best quarterbacks in the
league or African America. So every obstacle in this sport,
every every advancement, there's been an obstacle. But the difference
is on the on the field. As you talked about
earlier in the show, Chris, you can't you can't fudge it, right, right,
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you can't fudge it. You might want the white guy
to be your quarterback. He ain't good enough. He did
this other guy's better. Do you know what I mean? Like,
you can't fudge that, right, you can fudge, but you
can coach or general manager. You just said it the
guy judge in New York, right, because it's largely a
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guessing game anyway. Right, you don't know if the guy's
gonna be a good head coach or not. Don't We
can't go off all. We should go off of his qualifications.
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Thanks minute, Thanks minutes that game friends beyond, couple of
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at a fifty pm cern where we have Christ and
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hottest topics in sports. The only catches they only got
six minutes and beyond a couple of callers are the judges.
We got five judges to hold right now. The first
one to get three votes is gonna win. And today's
topic we've kind of been debating a little bit throughout
the last week or so and even before that, but
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here it is. Right now. The CBS and ESPN released
a pole that lists Steph Curry as the thirteenth greatest
player in NBA history. More surprised than that, though, was
Isaiah Thomas was about twenty spots below that. So here
is the eight topic. Who should be ranked higher all time?
Isaiah or Steph Chris We'll start with you, all right.
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This is tough because Isaiah's my man. But Steph Curry,
if you're looking at him objectively, it's not even a debate.
He's the best shooter in NBA history. He's changed the
way the game of basketball is played at every level
from elementary on up to the pros. And when you're
telling the story of basketball. Because of those two factors,
he undoubtedly has to be mentioned before Isaiah Thomas individually.
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He's got more honors two time MVP, first ever unanimous MVP,
six time All NBA in fewer seasons in Isaiah played,
and Isaiah only made five All NBA teams, none of
them during his championship years, and Steph always was two times,
was always on all NBA's championship years. Individual stats, he's
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a higher points per game, higher rebounds, better field goal percentage,
better three point percentage, fewer turnovers game, better free throw percentage.
And while he's not a great defender, Isaiah wasn't either,
never made an All defensive team, and Steph led the
league in steals one year, something Isaiah never did. Analytically
is not close. STEP's got more twenty three more win
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shares in two hunder eighty fewer games because the more
games you play, the more win shares you can get.
And he's still got Isaiah beating three hundred fewer games,
almost five points higher on his PR. In fact, Steph
seventeenth all time PR, Isaiah one hundred and fiftieth team success.
Steph's got him beat three championships, five straight finals appearance.
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Nobody had done it in fifty three years since Bill Russell.
And if you think it was Kadi's team, sink again,
they went twenty five and one with Steph playing and
out Kake, no KD. They went twenty eight and eighteen
playing with KD and no Steph place. He got a
seventy three win season. He beat Lebron, Kade Westbrook, Harden,
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Chris Paul, and Anthony Davis all in their prize without
Kevin Durant. Of course, Chris had to bring up Kevin
Durant because you can't talk about Steph Curry without Kevin Durant.
That's what makes Isaiah Thomas the better player. You could
throw around all these phony numbers. You want Isaiah Thomas
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on the fifty Greatest Players of all time also in
the Hall of Fame. And when you think about what
he was able to do to transform that the lowly
Detroit Pistons that were the second worst team in the
NBA when he was drafted there and too back to
back champions something that hadn't happened in the nbation's nineteen
sixty eight sixty nine. When he led that team to
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two championships, it could have easily been three if it
wasn't for that bad call against the Lakers. Isaiah Thomas
did nothing, but when he didn't have a plethora of
other great players. He didn't have another great fifty top
top fifty player on his roster to team up with.
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He also was able to beat Michael Jordan during his heyday,
Larry Bird during his heyday, and Magic Johnson during his heyday.
Nobody can bolster that. When you think of Isaiah Thomas,
he was that tough guy who can forget that game
six with a badly sprained ankle twenty five points. There
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are no magical moments for Steph Curry in any big games.
It's not about Steph has never been a big game player.
What is his moment? Somebody please help me, There is none.
It was always about other players. Kevin Durant was a
two time back to back Finals MVP for a reason.
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He overshadowed Steph Curry. Nobody could overshadow Isaiah Thomas on
that team. It was his team. Everybody knew it. All
of his accolades matter. The most Hall of Famer and
fifty greatest player of all time, and he slayed every
big giant in his way during that time, turning that
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franchise around. He is the best small guy who's ever
played in the NBA. Isaiah. He scored twenty five in
that quarter rob they lost that series, and in the
other six games in the series, Isaiah average less than
sixteen points on thirty seven percent shooting. Also, Isaiah had
the biggest big game mistake of the two players. Remember
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the gaff in nineteen eighty seven. They had Boston beat
about to go up three two in the conference finals.
He throwed the point guard in bounds pass, throws it away,
Larry Bird steals it. They win the game and going
to win the series. Conversely, Steph Curry has averaged twenty
six and a half points in the playoffs. At twenty
six and a half points in the finals in his career,
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that's the tenth highest scoring average ever in the finals,
second highest ever a month point guards twenty six and
a half points higher than Kobe Dirk, Hakim, Kareem Shack,
Larry Bird, Chamberlain, Doctor J. Dwayne Waite, Rick Barry. I mean,
he's been phenomenal in the finals. Twenty six points a game.
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He's not phenomenal. That's why he's never won a Finals MVP.
They gave it to Iguadowa the first championship and Steph Curry.
They claim if the average twenty six points to tell
you they were meaningless points. And when the game is
on the line, remember he's old for eid to tie
the game or put his team ahead in the final
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twenty seconds. He doesn't make the big shots. He's not clutch.
And talk about a gaff in that three to one
choke job. No other player has ever choked down a
three to one lead in the NBA Finals except the
Steph Curry led Warriors. That's what he has to wear.
Remember that bad pass he was trying to do it
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empty doodle behind his back and turn the ball over.
It was a huge turnover in the fourth quarter. Isaiah
Thomas is a champion and when the Pistons won, it
was about Isaiah Thomas, not about other players. Steph had
a dream team. That's why he was able to win.
Wow Wow, Wow, I tell you guys, the our couple
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is working. Price of admission. Come on, and right now
we got to head out to the college. We got
five judges our hold you guys, now it works. The
first one to get three votes will win this debate
and settle it once and for all, Isaiah versus Steph.
So let's get started. William in Kansas City. Who you
got I got Steph Curry, I'm riding with I'm riding
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with my boy Chris. Just text you huh now trying
to steal my my my material man? Come on, I
see he didn't even give you any reason. William, just
that he defended your side, cbup wanting nothing. Let's move
on now, Joe in Detroit, who do you think want
that battle? Yeah, I'm going I'm going with Rob. I
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gotta go with Isaiah Thomas, my man Detroit. Come on,
we should ban Detroit from why Detroit's one of my
best areas of a city. You know everybody, I guarantee
you you know Rob or whatever his name was. All right,
it's one to one, and now it's kind of funny
brought Detroit because now move on to California. Marcus, who
do you think want this debate? I'm going through the
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person who came through in the clutch, Isaiah Thomas. Just
when the clutch he never wins two to one, one
more can win it, or we can push it to
vote Number five. Mo in Atlanta, Who do you got? Mo? Mo?
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The suspense is killing me. We're gonna move on. Jeff
in Virginia. Who do you think want his battle? I
gotta say Isaiah never choked the three one week, so
let's go with us, no doubt about it. That's right.
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I'm the poopoo kids, I'm the poop poo king Rob Parker.
In three weeks, Rob has won it twice that day
over Chris Bussar. I'm a wards. You and Steph Curry
take that week choking dog three to one championship, and then, uh,
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NFL first, though. Rob and Aaron Rodgers spoke today to
the media for the first time since they draft. The
Packers drafted Jordan Love and I thought he was great.
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I thought he was honest. He didn't you know, he
didn't just say the right thing he said. I think
what's really in his heart. I think that you just
hit the right word and continue. But honest is what
I got to Chris. That's the first word I thought
of in reading those quotes. YEA, yeah, well here he
is talking, you know, there's a lot to get into.
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He did talk about his initial reaction when they drafted
Jordan Love and how he's kind of disappointed. Now I'll
get into that in a moment, but we have a
clip of him talking about the possibility of finishing his
career in another uniform. Well, I think what it does
is just reinforced kind of the the the adage that
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you can only control what you can control, and it's
always been, you know, a mantra for myself. I think
any you know, any great athlete, there's things that are
just out of our control. That obviously is something it's
very important to me, but I think, you know, is
definitely telling at this point that that is truly, uh,
something that's out of my control. What I can't control
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is how I play, and making that decision at some
point a very hard one. You know. If I were
to retire in the organization's timetable, then it's an easy decision.
But if there comes a time where I still feel
like I can play at a high level and my
body feels great, you know, then there's you know, other
guys have gone on and played elsewhere. Rob It's it's
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hard for him, I guess not to understand it because
he was the Jordan Love at one point, you know,
for Brett, was that yeah, emotions get away. Yeah, you know, emotions.
You're human. So you're disappointed, your egos bruised, you know whatever.
But if you sit back and think about it, you
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gotta realize, hey, there, you know, they drafted me and
they got thirty years of great quarterback play, you know,
and now he's thinking maybe they'll get another fifteen after
I'm done. Just just a side note, and we'll get
back to this. Just a side note. And I wonder
you know a lot of people say we hear the
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clip of Colin even saying I'm not here to be
a Doug god leads mentor or whatever. I don't want
him to have my job. And dud dude, is that
how you act? Is that a part of who you are?
Because I like not wanting to mentor yes, because I could,
I could not be more opposite. I don't look at
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it that way, Chris, I really don't. There's plenty of
play space for everybody, and to help people along the way,
like people help me. I don't look at it that way.
If I help, if I help a young kid, right,
now at USC I'm not worried about like, oh, in
three years, you know, Fox is gonna push me out
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and and he's gonna take my job with Chris. Do
you look, I'm surprised when I hear stuff like that
about people mentoring. I'm with you, you know, you both
you and I we mentor guys. You know, we talked
to guys up and coming in the business. Jason McIntyre
still tells a story about how I was one of
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the few guys that treated him nicely when he met
I first met him. I was working at the New
York Times, you know, coming the Knicks, and he was
because he never forget that, right right yeah, and uh yeah,
I'm more mean to him now. Well you know him now,
right right. I do think rob though, I do think
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there's just a different sports is a different business. Let's
say I'm a great point guard, right and they draft, uh,
you know, a great point guard out of college. I'm
kind of depending like Chris paul is mentoring Shay Gilgris Alexander.
But Chris Paul is, you know, thirty five, thirty six
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years old, and say Shay Gilders is about twenty twenty one,
So there's such a big gap. Chris knows this is
the end, and Chris is starting alongside him, so he
steals playing. If I were if it's a close, if
it's in sports and I'm the point guard and I'm
only in my seventh year and they draft somebody else,
and you know, he's competition. Like, I think sports is
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a little different, though, Rob, I really do. Now. I'm
not saying you gotta be mean to the guy obstacles
in his path, but I gotta there's only twelve spots,
whereas even in sports writing is obviously a limited number
of people doing it. But it's just I just think
it's different in sports because I'm competition is so yeah,
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do you do you see a little difference. I mean,
the only difference I would say is I look at
it from this stamppoint that that you're no one's gonna
You're not gonna have the job forever. And I'm not saying, Chris,
I'm gonna like do stuff so that you could take
the job from me. No, I'm gonna still do my thing.
But that doesn't mean I can't show you some nuances
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or do you know what I mean? If you're a Willing.
I would look back at it down the road and
be like, you're the legacy you leave behind is like, man,
they're like four grade point guards in the NBA. And
guess what they all worked under Chris Broussard. Like Chris
Broussard wasn't a selfish player, he do you know what
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I mean? Like like like it doesn't hurt you. You
can't play forever. Aaron Rodgers can't be the quarterback forever there,
Brett Farve couldn't be. And now, like you hear Brett
Farve saying all this nice stuff about Aaron Rodgers. He
wouldn't talk to the guy when he was there, do
you know what I mean? Like I don't get that.
I do, yeah, And I look, I'm not saying, like
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I said, you gotta be mean to the guy or
you don't talk to him and help him in certain ways,
but you're I mean, Farve was still in his you know,
in his prime, and Rogers is still I'm sure he
feels like he's in his prime, you know. And I'm
gonna kind of bring it back Robin Aaron. I think
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he should look at this like because let's face it,
he has you know, he hasn't been as good the
last few years. He's been good, but he hasn't been
the old Aaron Rodgers. And I'm thinking that this might
because look, he Mike McCarthy had gotten stale. Let's we
know that the offense had gotten stale, and then you
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know Aaron, you know there he certainly has something to do.
I mean, I'm not saying he pulled the trigger on McCarthy,
but you know he had something to do with McCarthy
being let go. So he hasn't had anything to really
light that fire under him outside of his own in
this you know, innate competitiveness. And I'm thinking maybe this
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is something I hope you know, this is something that
he looks like like, Okay, they think I'm almost done.
They got my replacement right here. Let me go out
there and show them I do have five six good
years left. Like I would love to see this light
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of fire under Aaron Rodgers and maybe way came out
of what might have been some complacency and maybe he
has one of those boundary you know, throwback years. Rob. Yeah,
I don't know if you if you were under the
same system and you're mixing in some years where there
was injury as well. And it's not to make excuses,
but I'm just saying when you look at all of
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that in a new head coach who's trying to make
his own name and trying to do you know, he's
one of those uh Sean McVay people, right, who had
a cup of coffee and a sweet role with Sean
and got a job. So all these guys are trying
to make their own It happens all the time. Chris.
It's it's like, this is not new. How do you
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become the big dog and let everybody know you go
after the biggest guy in the room. Right, We've seen
it happen, local saying the coach. The coach is kind
of going after Rodgers. Yeah, yes, that's what I look
at it as like, I'm I'm running this and this
ain't gonna be you might have You might have been,
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I'm running this. We had success. You don't think that
coach feels good the first year they go thirteen and
three and get to the NFC champion. Biship game is
first year as a head coach, so so you feel
I think you feel comfortable and confident to be able
to make a move like that off of success if
you were if they if they were eight and eight
Chris and didn't make the playoffs and they drafted a quarterback,
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I think it would be total I would be shocked,
and it would be totally different here because they would
have to say they got holes. Though I'm just talking
about that they need to feel. But if they were
eight and eight and obviously Rogers would not have had
a spectacular year, Yeah, but if they might have been thinking,
he's he's further gone than some people think already, So
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I think we need a replacement. I think there would
be other holes that you would have to look at first,
defensively or whatever else would have would have made you
a Nate. I don't think that a coach would have
been able because if you would have get you remember,
you would be drafting a player who's not playing. Aaron
Rodgers is under contract for four for three more years
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at big money. So I'm saying, if you're a night,
you can't afford as a as a as a new coach.
Do you see what I'm saying? To have another bad
year so you have to answer some players to it.
That's all I'm saying. Yeah, Uh, it could be interesting
you you said Aaron Rodger before you. I don't know
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if they'll try to move him eventually. Um, but what
if it doesn't go well in Denver with Drew Locke,
does alway go ahead and get Rodgers toward the end.
But you know what I'm saying, Like he got Peyton
Manny toward the end and got a Super Bowl? Could
he had a bad stretch? I'm sure you look at
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the quarterbacks that have come through Denver. It's it's my boggling,
isn't Yeah, other than like I said, other than Peyton.
And here's what Aaron rob Aaron said about his reaction
initially to the pick. And I like this because it
was honest, he said. I think the initial reaction was surprised.
Not gonna say that I was thrilled by the pick.
But I understand the organization is not only thinking about
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the present but the future, and I respect that. I
understand their focus and their mindset. I think that's a
solid and honest answer. Now he's in position ride where
he could he could have thrown him under the bus,
because he's got his money right. He could have been
like guaranteed. Yeah, he could have been like, look, we're
we were thirteen and three, we were we were close
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to getting there. We need help right now. Jordan is
a great guy. Talk to him. You know, I think
he's got a bright future, but you can't. These opportunities
to win a Super Bowl do not come along very often.
Those and that's real to say that. He could have
said that, and that would and that would be cool,
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because that is real, Chris, and you know it. The windows,
what do we say? There are no five year plans
in the NFL anymore. That's not how it's done. And
if you and if you have an opening or a window,
you have to jump through it. You have to because
you just don't know how long it'll take
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