June 4, 2020 • 37 mins
It's The Best of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob share their thoughts on Drew Brees' apology in the aftermath of his comments that he could never agree with anyone who 'disrespects' the flag by kneeling during the national anthem, debate whether or not the comments made by white quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers carry more weight than those made by black quarterbacks like Dak Prescott during times of racial and social unrest, and discuss whether or not Brees is in danger of losing the New Orleans Saints locker room after so many teammates came out and called him tonedeaf for not fulling stand with them in their fight for racial equality and justice.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup Off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. The big
story is, uh, Drew Brees. Big story yesterday was Drew
Brees's statement that he made about the flag and it'll
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never sit well with him. It's always disrespectful to not
stand for the flag and all that stuff, and we'll
play it again. And then today, of course, he got
major pushback, as you said, Robbing. Today he issued an apology.
So we will get into all that. But first let's
let's a bit of his statement that he made. I
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will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the
United States of America or our country. Let me just
tell you what I see or what I feel when
the national anthem is played, and when I look at
the flag of the United States. I envisioned my two
grandfathers who fought for this country during World War Two,
one in the Army and one of the Marine Corps,
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both risking their lives to protect our country and to
try to make our country and this world a better place.
All right, That's was Drew's statement. And then of course
he got major pushed back from athletes all over all
sports basically because it was tone deaf, because he was
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playing into the hands of those As you said, Rob,
they changed the narrative. Yes, was never about the flag ever. Ever, fact,
what did Kylie Kaepernick went out of his way to
respect the flag and the veterans. He contacted Nate Boyer.
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We had Nate Boyer on the show yesterday, Chris and
went over it, yes, where you did, Yes, And he's
the one who said it would be more respectful if
you neo instead of sitting on the bench. And we
got into all that. But the other part is, Chris
and I wrote a column on deadspin dot com. If
you can get a chance to do well, let's let's
mention his apology. Okay, go ahead, because that's what you wanted,
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because I wanted to mention was about the grandfather think,
But go ahead, go ahead, rob Gie. His apology will
read a bit of it. Yeah, he had a very
lengthy apology on Instagram with a clip art photo of
a black hand and a white hand interlock, which was
very interesting, say the least. But here's I thought that
was me in your hand, Rob g No, No, it
was just a nice clip art that you can find
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on any computer. He really dove deep for that one.
But here's the first part of his statement. He said,
in an attempt to talk about respect, unity and solidarity
centered around the American flag, and then at Lanthem, I
made comments that were insensitive and completely missed the mark
on the issues we are facing right now as a country.
They lacked awareness and any type of compassion or empathy. Instead,
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those words have become divisive and hurtful and have misled
people into believing that somehow I am an enemy. This
could not be further from the truth. And he's not
an accurate reflection of my heart or my character. All right,
go ahead, Ron, And then I wrote the column, and
my lead on the column was his grandfathers went out
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the window pretty quickly, Chris, because that was the big thing,
right about the flag, And he basically backed down big
time and walked it back because he understood he got
such pushback from so many people, and Chris, it wasn't like,
oh well whatever, No people went at him. People said
they used to respect him. When you start hearing stuff
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like that, because as you know, Colin went through all
this and this four years ago. I think players now
know that they missed the boat, Chris, and they didn't
take Colin seriously and they didn't realize what's happening or
or a thought too much about the protest back then.
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But then to see George Floyd killed in Live Living
Color eight and a half horrible minutes, and see what's
going on and what's happened recently, I think the last
thing anybody wanted to hear is about the damn flag.
And I say that just because that's how pissed people are.
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It's not a disrespect to the flag, but we're not
going to let other people hijack what is going on
here and the movement and what the focus is. And
you could just see it and hear it. And in
that column I always said, anybody anybody else like who's next?
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I can't wait to see the next guy, because I
don't believe Chris that people are gonna be that cavalier
and toss that around anymore. After what Drew Brees got
done to him when he tried to bring that up again,
people don't want to hear that. Enough with the flag,
enough with the patriotism trying to cover up your racism.
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This is about police brutality and social injustice, and this
is where we're going to be focused on trying to
get solutions and change things. Yeah, I think that. I
think there are several things that layed to Drew Brees
as apology. I think one, as you said, the social
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the pushback, and it was strong, and it was all
over the place, as you said. And I look, social
pressure is a huge deterrent and can be a huge corrector.
And I think, and I'm gonna get to this, I
think Drew Brees has learned some things and I think
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will learn some more things. So I think his heart,
it can change or is already in the process of changing.
But even if someone's heart doesn't change, social pressure can
get them to still do the right thing. There may
be white people who don't like black people, who hate
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black people, even who think we're making too much noise.
We should just be thankful to be here in America,
even if it's worse for us than it is for
white people. There's probably a lot that feel that way,
but they know, don't go in the workplace using the
inn word, don't go on public sprees a spewing your racism.
They know it because of the social pressure and how
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that could affect them negatively. So I'm you know, I
whether he changes heart or not, the social pressure can
get him to do the right thing. That's number one.
Number two, I do think also he saw Malcolm Jenkins
tears and it's one of the you know, a defensive
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star wart in the NFL, one of the more respected
guys in the NFL have tears. Those were crocodile two, right,
And here's what he said. We're done asking Drew and
people who who share your sentiments, who expressed those and
push them throughout the world. The airways are the problem.
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And it's unfortunate because I considered you a friend, I
looked up to you. It's somebody who I had a
great deal of respect for. But sometimes you should shut
the up. Yeah, I think that had an impact on
him and Cam Jordan said he had a conversation with
Drew which I'm sure impacted him as well. Now, as
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for me, I forgive Drew Brees. I've said things myself
that are wrong. I've done things myself that are wrong,
and I know I can't be forgiven for what I've
done if I'm unwilling to forgive somebody else. But there
is a difference, and this is what many people don't understand.
There's a difference between forgiveness and justice, between forgiveness and
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ramifications for what you did. When my daughters, as I
was raising them, they did things wrong, I always forgave them,
but they still may have gotten punished. You still had
to pay the price to learn from what you did.
And so that's what I see in this situation. Mike
Michael Thomas, the receiver, said, I'm a Christian and I'm
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taught to forgive. I forgive Drew Brees, and I think
he can learn. He does not need to be canceled.
He said, I'm willing to learn. I'm willing to listen.
And I think there should be a lot of players
who are willing to share with Drew Derek experiences, and
you would think he'd already talked to some of them
about this. But whatever share with them some of his experiences.
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And here's the thing, Rob, what he's got to learn
and what he's really got to do to show that
he's sincere is put action to your words. He should
he does a philanthropic stuff. He should start doing philanthropic
stuff in the name of justice, fighting against police brutality,
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helping young African American children who are trapped in poverty,
things like that. If you really want to show that
you have learned, that you have had to change your heart,
that you now understand, those are the types of things
you need to do. I'm with you. I'm with you.
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I think Drew learned a hard lesson yep. And I
think he had to learn it because he was oblivious
to reality. Chris. Is one thing to have ideals, it's
another thing to live reality. And that's how it came off.
Do you know what I mean? Like he's talking about
the flag and his grandfather and wearing that that sounds
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all good. What are you watching in front of you?
How could you be so oblivious to what's happened as
the country's being burnt down, Chris, Right as the country
is being burned down. Hello, I say it all the time.
Is this on that's why there was so much blowback.
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iHeartRadio app. Aaron Rodgers, your boy, Aaron Rodgers came up
more now than ever. Hey, you couldn't help, but like
what he said, and kudos props to him. We talked
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about he didn't really say, Chris, he didn't. He could
he could have chilled. He could have just totally been
quiet and watched Drew Brees get hammered, you know, but
instead Aaron made a strong statement. We talked about Drew
Brees and in his statement and how he got a
lot of blowback from that. But here's what Aaron Rodgers said.
It has never been about an anthem or a flag.
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Not then not now listen with an open heart. Let's
educate ourselves and then turn word and thought into action.
Great statement. I thought it was well. I thought it
was well put together. Chris really yep, rare, and it
didn't that wasn't that long. I mean, he said a
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few other things, but you know, he just spoke from
the heart and made it said a very strong statement.
And Richard Sherman talked earlier in the week before Rogers
even came out, because you look, you gotta give problems
to a lot of these these white quarterbacks. And you did,
Rob in a column you wrote for Dad Spin, Ryan Tannehill,
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Derek Carr, Tom Brady, Joe Brow it's Joe Burrows just
about to enter the league. And Trevor Lawrence at Clemson
who's still in college, who's rock out. They made some
strong statements and again, props to them. And Richard Sherman
talked about the importance of white athletes speaking up. Here's
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what he said. Rob G's gonna read it. That's right.
He said this to Albert Brier, the MMQB said, quote,
I'm impressed with the white quarterback speaking up because those
are voices that carry different we weight than the black
voices for some people, Which means the people who refuse
to listen to a black athlete's perspective will hear the
same thing said from a white athlete but received the
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message much differently. All right, Rob, you have some strong
feelings about that. I do, and I'm not trying to
dismiss Chris, and you know it. We talked about it
pre show. These guys speaking up. I think it's tremendous
because and when you're looking at what's happening in this country,
it's just about right or wrong. It's not black or white.
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It's about right or wrong. And most people know the
difference between right and wrong. And they might not want
to say, Chris, but they do. They know even if
it's your own people that ain't right, they know it right.
But in this case, I want to be careful and
Richard Sherman, I get what he's saying, but don't discount
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these black quarterbacks who are some of the biggest stars
in the NFL and faces of franchises. Before I wrote
the column, Chris about the black quarterbacks, the star quarterbacks,
you remember, none of them had spoken about this right
and now since then. And I'm not taking any credit
there could have been on their own timetable. I'm just
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saying I wrote about it because it was missing. There
was no Jack Prescott, there was no Lamar Jackson, there
was no Russell Wilson, there was no uh Dak Prescott.
I mean, um, who am I missing? Deshaun Watson, Deshaun
Watson and he marched though. He marched though, and and
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um and Patrick Mahomes. Those guys were missing in action.
When all of this was going, you had four or
five white quarterbacks already jump out and make their statements. Okay,
Since then, Russell Wilson has been out, Chris talking about it.
Dak Prescott put out a statement and donated a million
dollars for pre police training and all that. Uh, DeShawn
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Watson went out to with the Floyd family. I believe
right to protest in Houston, and Patrick Mahomes also put
out a statement. I haven't seen anything from Lamar Jackson,
but everybody else kind of jumped in. All I'm saying
is I feel a little weird, like people feel like
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we have to wait for white people, white quarterbacks to
validate what we've been saying. And that's the only thing.
So the name prominent players who happened to be black
have that casche. Michael Jordan has cass, Lebron James has cass.
Patrick Mahomes is the biggest star in the NFL right now.
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He has cash. Those guys voices. If you're a fan
in the NFL, or you're white fan in the NFL.
Don't tell me that you don't. You don't care what
Patrick Mahomes thinks or whatnot. That's your guy. That is
your guy and improved positive. I was just watching forty
two the other day, Chris, and um it came apart
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where uh I just forgot his name, the general manager,
Oh my god, branch rick branch Ricky was talking to
Jackie Robinson in like the training room by hisself and
he's and this is near the to the movie. And
he says, I was driving the other day on you know,
in Brooklyn or whatever, and he goes, you made an impact,
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and he said, what are you talking about? He said,
I saw some white kids playing in the sandlot and
I stopped to watch them, and one of the kids
was emulating Jackie Robinson. He was doing all the same
things that Jackie would do. Do you know what I mean?
On the base pass and whatnot. And he was like,
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that's the impact. They all followed. They want to be
like you. So I'm not saying that I'm not appreciative
Chris or I'm pooh pooing them, But white quarterbacks don't
have to validate our play, our people and our stars
and our people should be on the forefront and those
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guys should join in, but they don't have to take
the lead for us to all of a sudden go
oh yeah, okay, man, maybe there is. It's a problem
because Aaron Rodgers said something, because Carson Wentz said something,
If Dak Prescott says something, and Patrick Mahomes said something,
and Russell Wilson said something, people need to listen and
people and people need to get that message out. So
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that's my only thing is looking for white people to
always validate what it is we're going through. Well, I think,
are you saying that the black quarterbacks because white quarterbacks
spoke out first and then the black quarterbacks came Are
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you saying those quarterbacks seem to be waiting for whites
to be oh, okay, it's okay because they said no, no, no.
I'm saying that like like that's the stamp of approval. See,
even Aaron Rodgers thinks this is bad. Hey, even Carson
Wentz came out and saying, I'm saying, you don't need
those guys to validate the plight. It's great to add
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them in and let them and have them speak up
for right and wrong, But looking for those guys is
if we have to wait for them to join in.
Those guys, Chris, the black five black quarterbacks I name
who were around when Colin Kaepernick first kneeled back in
twenty sixteen, they could have validated him. They could have
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validated the whole thing, whether Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers
or anybody else got involved. If those guys would have
validated Kaepernick, tell me that it wouldn't make it. It
wouldn't have made a difference, Chris. If those guys validated
him by kneeling with him or showing support publicly and
saying what he's doing. I might not kneel, but I
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know what he's doing is right, and I'm with Colin Kaepernick.
That would have validated the movement. I think you make
a decent point. But I think that I agree with
Richard Sherman, and not because white told more like because
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what they say is more important. That's not it at all,
But because in a country that's sixty five percent white,
in a country where the economic system, the educational system,
and the very justice system that we're trying to change
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is controlled by white people, where they control well over
ninety of the wealth in this country, that is Richard
Sherman's point is that with those people, with those people,
it will mean more. It's unfortunate, but it will mean
more coming from the white quarterbacks. Now here's what I'll say,
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because but let me finish black. I agree with you,
because I've called for black players in mass to do
some stuff. But if it's just gonna be speed king
out what the white players say, if they're especially if
they're superstars, and it's a lot of them, that will
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hold more weight with mainstream America than a black player
speaking out, the black players have to go further. If
if this is why I agree with you, If Lebron
James and Chris Paul and Yanni's out to the COOPO
and Cam well not Cam, but Lamar Jackson Patrima, if
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they say, we're not playing, make all the plans you
want for disney World, make all the plans you want
for a Bubble, We are not playing until we feel
that justice is served, until the criminal justice system is changed. Yes,
then we would we would be able to make a
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change regardless of what the white quarterbacks do or superstars do.
But but just us making a statement, heck, Lebron James
Chris Paul, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo, Anthony does didn't get any
bigger than that. They stood on the stage at the
Espies and read about this a couple of years ago,
and we see the same junk happening Jackie Robinsons. That
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was seventy years ago. Okay, white kids emulating black athletes.
This message still happening. Yeah, But but the only problem
I have, so your whole life happening. But this is
also a country that had a black president for eight years, Chris,
and they do control the money, they do control the laws,
right and they do, but they but they voted for
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him because he had the right message. So I'm not
I'm not buying that happening with a black president. No,
but I know it. But that's not happened Obama. That's
not my point. My point is that that this whole
notion that it that it has to come from a
white guy. It came from a black guy and they
voted for him. That's how how much? How much change?
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That's not what I'm talking much change happening. That's not
what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about change. Were
talking about saying something. No, this is where we disagree,
because just because Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady say something
doesn't mean it's gonna be change either. Chris, Well, we
don't have we seen it, because who put Jackie Robinson
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in Major League Baseball? It wasn't Josh Gibson and Jackie
Robinson and black players standing up saying take us. It
was branch Rickey. No, but they took a white dude that.
I ain't saying nothing. I'm not saying whites are better.
I'm just saying, in this racist country, what they say
and do holdsmore sway with the powers that be, And
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in this racist country, they elected a black man for
eight years to lead the country. Chris, whether it's symbolic
or whatever, what they try to say we post racial.
That I was quit to say we post racial. I
never I never bought into that. A matter of fact,
I remember having an argument with my nephew about that,
because that's what the millennials were buying into it that point,
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and I never believe that. My only point is I
just don't. I always feel like like we gotta be
validated by the man. Let me just agree with you
gotta be created by the man. It ain't good enough
to like it's always well my own people. When when
when I walk the streets Chris and and people are
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talking about the show or talking about FS one, I
love all of the comments be It don't have to
be from the man or white guys for me to
feel good about what we're doing. If our old people
are robbed, that is funny. When nobody's saying I don't
think Richard Sherman or any black person is saying, oh,
white said it, it means it's real. No, they're talking practically.
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You and I are on a white station. Let's keep
it real. If white powers that be saying y'all get
into racial we're not doing it. We have to deal
with that. I mean, let this is practical stuff. You've
seen black black people and whites get on TV and
say this is not a black problem, this is a
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white problem. Frederick Douglas said this. There is this. He
said this to a couple hundred years ago. There is
no Negro problem. The problem is whether the American people
have loyalty enough, honor, enough patriotism enough to live up
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to their own constitution. He was talking about white people.
They have the power to change this. Unfortunately, we don't
without dire circumstances, and it's not gonna be a tweet
from Lebron James. It's gonna have to be Lebron James
saying I'm not lacing them up. It don't have to
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be that for a white guy. We could agree to
disagree on this one, but I'd love to hear what
people say. I agree with your sentiment. I think if
you're saying you don't like that, people seem to give
more weight to what whites are saying. That's exactly what
I'm saying. As big as any player in the NFL,
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and if we're talking about football players chiming in his world,
he can't and would have to stop playing. But I'm
just My point is his words should count, just as
I agree and George. Black people shouldn't be getting shot
down unarmed by the police. We're talking about black people.
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A third of black people shouldn't be poverty. We're talking
about two different things. You're talking about idealism. I'm talking
about what's real. No, I'm talking about the idea that
just because white guys got to give you a stamp
of approval, now it's a real thing. This thing could
have been stuff by approval or by black people. That's
what I'm telling you. If not to play whatever they
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whatever they whatever the motivation is, it's still wouldn't have
been validated. It still could have been valid today. We
saw it. Christ at Missouri. We talked about it. Yeah,
but that's my point. They didn't know, but they but
they didn't wait for it. But they didn't wait for
the white coach or white players to validate them. They
said they they said, you, you said, That's exactly what
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I said. I said. The black players do have the power,
but they're gonna have to go much further than making
a statement. Aaron Rodgers can make a statement and white
America goes ooh, Lebron James can't make no statement and
making white America take notice. He asked to stop playing.
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I'm withholding my services. That's what the Cats a Missouri did.
That's why it worked. And we make so much money
for white America on athletic fields that you're right. If
we say we're not playing, things would change. Fox Sports
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R to listen live. Shannon Sharpe has you know, as
he is on everything, He's been very outspoken about this
with Skip Bayless or undisputed, and he had a serious
issue with what Drew Brees said yesterday when Breeze was
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asked about if players knelt, you know, knelt for the
flag or during during the anthem next year when they
start the upcoming NFL season, and Breeze went into a
soliloquy about how he would never kneel for the flag
and he never you know, he always reviewed as somebody
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disrespects the right, and so he got that pushback. But
here's what Shannon said about Breeze Drew Breese. Phil doesn't
seem to get it. Now. He issued apologist skill, but
it's meaningless because the guys know that he spoke his
heart the buried first time around. Correct. Now. I don't
know if I don't know what Drew's gonna do, but
he probably should just go ahead and retire. Now it
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will never be the same. Take it from a guy
that's been a leader in the locker room for a
number of years. At every step Skip, I've been the
leader in the locker room. What he said, they're gonna like,
oh yeah, you know, no, they will never look at
him the same because he spoke his heart and Skip
and what he's said it wasn't what he said is
how he said it. He was de fighting, all right,
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strong words. Indeed for Shannon, we may be able to
get him on the show. We'll talk to him and
next week maybe next week. And Shannon and Chris, you know,
we've been here since FS one we launched, and Shannon
took this job, you know, and people weren't sure an athlete, uh,
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you know, having to go up with against Skip every
day and have we work out yep. Every Shannon has
done a great job. He has a board, he really has.
He's researched, Chris. He's prepared, he's passionate. We're not doing
it too, We're just talking about because he does his homework.
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He's ready. He's ready every day and has done a
great job and is a great voice. The only thing,
my only little critique there was, and you know me, Chris,
I'm with the absolutes. He said he probably should retire.
To make that strong. He should have said he should retire. Okay,
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I mean, let's say he came that strong. Do you
think that's right, though that Breeze should retire. I think
what Shannon is talking about is right about the way
his teammates going forward, Chris, they might be able to
play with people. We've all worked with people who we
have little regard for, Chris, correct, Yes, and we got
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to work with them. You gotta do stuff right, right,
I could think of at least one person, and he's
not talking about me, right, or Rob g or Alex
or Hey. I don't think he's talking about anybody on
this show. No, yeah, yeah, But my point is so
you just gotta go out and get a job done.
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But but I think what he's talking about, as far
as it not being the same, it will be hard
because at the time, when the teammates were looking to him,
the leader in the room, Chris, this guy who had
done so much for New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, you know,
having these relationships with the black players. But when push
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came to shove and black people were crying out and
in crisis, he went to wrapping himself in the flag,
the old reliable That's what he ran back to. Rather
than confronting it. They wanted to hear him denounce police brutality,
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social injustice. That's where we were christ that point when
he spoke, that's where we were. Even if and I've
said this to you a million times, Chris, we love
it as reporters when guys say stuff that you can
run with. Just because we ask you a question, Chris Bouzard,
doesn't mean you have to answer it. And he could
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have said, even with Yahoo Finances interviewing him and even
gave you the hypothetical, Drew Brees could have said, not today,
I'm not talking about the flag. I'm talking about Walt Floyd.
I'm talking about the innocent black men who have been
killed in this country. Do you see my point? He
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didn't have to go there. I don't care what question
they ask you. Stop making a reporter the guy he
asked you a question. If not, if that's not on
your mind and you have bigger and better things to
talk about, Chris, you can always say, next question, I'm
not gonna talk about a hypothetical. When when the country's
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on fire and people are hurting, and there's other things
that we need to try to make happen in this
country to change this country. That's what people wanted to
hear from Drew Brees, and they didn't. Well, said, Rob,
I agree with what you said. I disagree with Shannon
on a few things. One now i'm I'm I don't
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know exactly what he meant, and we'll find out when
we can talk to him. I think, listening to the
context of his comment, I think he was saying, Breeze
has lost the locker room. These guys aren't gonna look
at him as a leader anymore. So he probably should retire.
Because after he said he probably should retire, that's kind
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of the stuff he went into. I don't think he
was saying because Drew Brees feels this way, because Drew
Brees made this comment, because Drew Brees is insensitive to
the plight of black America or you know whatever, he
should not be in the NFL. I don't think he
was saying that. If he was saying that, then I
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don't think that's right. That's what happened to Colin Kaepernick.
Kaepernick should be in the NFL regardless of his personal views.
He's happened to be honorable personal views. But your personal views,
you still should be able to make a living and
so I but I don't even think Shannon was saying
just because of what he said, he shouldn't be in
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the NFL. I think it was more because he felt
like he'd lose the locker room. And I don't think
he will because Riley Cooper after he and we talked
about this a little bit earlier. Rob. I mean, he
was at a Kenney Chesney concert which was obviously overwhelmingly white.
He probably felt like, hey, you know, I'm just chilling.
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You know, there's no yeah, I guess. So he played
for the Eagles, of course, and he meant, you know,
he used the N word, said I beat all of
them in words up and so, and he was. He
got into a mogument right with the security guard, right
with the bard guard. But it wasn't like it was
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a personal thing about him, you know, with the guy
who are about Yeah, yes it was. That was way worse.
And yet Michael Vick, who was the quarterback of the Eagles,
forgave him, welcomed him back in and he started the
next two years for the eat. Not only that, he
got a huge contract. If you remember Chris Yep, yep, yep.
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Now another one and I and I'm not I am
not personally I'm not saying this guy's a racist, but Twitter,
which you know, Twitter is Twitter, so we're not putting
saying they're right. But he's got a rep Nick Bosa
in San Francisco. He's you know, he was very pro Trump,
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you know, before he was drafted and and and he's
now this doesn't make him racist, might just be as
a p but he said Black Panthers a horrible movie.
He's tweeted Beyonce's music is trash, you know, he said.
I think people feel that way about him, whether it's
right or not. From everything I can see, he's fine
in the forty nine ers locker room. So I get
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it Breezes the quarterback, but I think that I'm glad
the black players spoke out. And my hunch, I mean
Cam Jordan already spoke with him. Think Alvin Kamara said
he's spoken with him. I think that black players are
gonna sit down with Drew and I think he's gonna
be open to it and speak with them. I'm sure
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they may even have had a team meeting today, but
there when he's going to address the entire team very soon,
and it's gonna I think it's gonna be heartfelt. I
think he's gonna, you know, talk about how he's learned
and he's listening more and you know, like he didn't
mean anything by And I think he'll be forgiven. Michael
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tom has already forgiven you, the great right receiver has
already forgiven him publicly. Demario Davis has done the same thing,
the linebacker for the Saints. So I think, Rob, now,
it's going to be a story. It's gonna be something
they're gonna have to deal with all year, and to
a certain degree, at least early in the season, it's
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gonna be a distraction. And if they don't play well,
it will become a huge story during the season. And
so that could be a whole other issue that this
creates a negative, you know what I'm saying. But it
will also be interesting to see how Drew Brees has
received around the league crowds. Right, I don't know. Good point.
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I think that there's something there. Chris, we heard the chance.
You didn't get to hear him, but Rob g and
I did, and it was a little surprising. And that
was in New Orleans, in New Orleans. That wasn't even
somewhere else, Chris. That was in New Orleans. Where protesters
outside were channing f Drew Brees after the uh, the
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the comments, and um so it'll yes, it will be
gonna have to play it out. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna
have to do some things, as we said, to really
first to show that you are sincere in your apology
and you meant what you said. And if he's gonna
have to do some things though, Rob and look you
know this too. Fans of opposing teams, they'll do whatever
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they have to to get you off your game. You know,
so even fans that might not even care what he said,
they may bring it up in visiting. Uh. Feel although
are we gonna have fans? I mean that's a question too, right.
We don't even know she work out for the Saints,
and we already know that if we play baseball this
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year at the Houston, Nashville's made out
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup Off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. The big
story is, uh, Drew Brees. Big story yesterday was Drew
Brees's statement that he made about the flag and it'll
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never sit well with him. It's always disrespectful to not
stand for the flag and all that stuff, and we'll
play it again. And then today, of course, he got
major pushback, as you said, Robbing. Today he issued an apology.
So we will get into all that. But first let's
let's a bit of his statement that he made. I
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will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the
United States of America or our country. Let me just
tell you what I see or what I feel when
the national anthem is played, and when I look at
the flag of the United States. I envisioned my two
grandfathers who fought for this country during World War Two,
one in the Army and one of the Marine Corps,
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both risking their lives to protect our country and to
try to make our country and this world a better place.
All right, That's was Drew's statement. And then of course
he got major pushed back from athletes all over all
sports basically because it was tone deaf, because he was
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playing into the hands of those As you said, Rob,
they changed the narrative. Yes, was never about the flag ever. Ever, fact,
what did Kylie Kaepernick went out of his way to
respect the flag and the veterans. He contacted Nate Boyer.
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We had Nate Boyer on the show yesterday, Chris and
went over it, yes, where you did, Yes, And he's
the one who said it would be more respectful if
you neo instead of sitting on the bench. And we
got into all that. But the other part is, Chris
and I wrote a column on deadspin dot com. If
you can get a chance to do well, let's let's
mention his apology. Okay, go ahead, because that's what you wanted,
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because I wanted to mention was about the grandfather think,
But go ahead, go ahead, rob Gie. His apology will
read a bit of it. Yeah, he had a very
lengthy apology on Instagram with a clip art photo of
a black hand and a white hand interlock, which was
very interesting, say the least. But here's I thought that
was me in your hand, Rob g No, No, it
was just a nice clip art that you can find
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on any computer. He really dove deep for that one.
But here's the first part of his statement. He said,
in an attempt to talk about respect, unity and solidarity
centered around the American flag, and then at Lanthem, I
made comments that were insensitive and completely missed the mark
on the issues we are facing right now as a country.
They lacked awareness and any type of compassion or empathy. Instead,
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those words have become divisive and hurtful and have misled
people into believing that somehow I am an enemy. This
could not be further from the truth. And he's not
an accurate reflection of my heart or my character. All right,
go ahead, Ron, And then I wrote the column, and
my lead on the column was his grandfathers went out
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the window pretty quickly, Chris, because that was the big thing,
right about the flag, And he basically backed down big
time and walked it back because he understood he got
such pushback from so many people, and Chris, it wasn't like,
oh well whatever, No people went at him. People said
they used to respect him. When you start hearing stuff
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like that, because as you know, Colin went through all
this and this four years ago. I think players now
know that they missed the boat, Chris, and they didn't
take Colin seriously and they didn't realize what's happening or
or a thought too much about the protest back then.
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But then to see George Floyd killed in Live Living
Color eight and a half horrible minutes, and see what's
going on and what's happened recently, I think the last
thing anybody wanted to hear is about the damn flag.
And I say that just because that's how pissed people are.
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It's not a disrespect to the flag, but we're not
going to let other people hijack what is going on
here and the movement and what the focus is. And
you could just see it and hear it. And in
that column I always said, anybody anybody else like who's next?
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I can't wait to see the next guy, because I
don't believe Chris that people are gonna be that cavalier
and toss that around anymore. After what Drew Brees got
done to him when he tried to bring that up again,
people don't want to hear that. Enough with the flag,
enough with the patriotism trying to cover up your racism.
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This is about police brutality and social injustice, and this
is where we're going to be focused on trying to
get solutions and change things. Yeah, I think that. I
think there are several things that layed to Drew Brees
as apology. I think one, as you said, the social
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the pushback, and it was strong, and it was all
over the place, as you said. And I look, social
pressure is a huge deterrent and can be a huge corrector.
And I think, and I'm gonna get to this, I
think Drew Brees has learned some things and I think
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will learn some more things. So I think his heart,
it can change or is already in the process of changing.
But even if someone's heart doesn't change, social pressure can
get them to still do the right thing. There may
be white people who don't like black people, who hate
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black people, even who think we're making too much noise.
We should just be thankful to be here in America,
even if it's worse for us than it is for
white people. There's probably a lot that feel that way,
but they know, don't go in the workplace using the
inn word, don't go on public sprees a spewing your racism.
They know it because of the social pressure and how
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that could affect them negatively. So I'm you know, I
whether he changes heart or not, the social pressure can
get him to do the right thing. That's number one.
Number two, I do think also he saw Malcolm Jenkins
tears and it's one of the you know, a defensive
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star wart in the NFL, one of the more respected
guys in the NFL have tears. Those were crocodile two, right,
And here's what he said. We're done asking Drew and
people who who share your sentiments, who expressed those and
push them throughout the world. The airways are the problem.
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And it's unfortunate because I considered you a friend, I
looked up to you. It's somebody who I had a
great deal of respect for. But sometimes you should shut
the up. Yeah, I think that had an impact on
him and Cam Jordan said he had a conversation with
Drew which I'm sure impacted him as well. Now, as
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for me, I forgive Drew Brees. I've said things myself
that are wrong. I've done things myself that are wrong,
and I know I can't be forgiven for what I've
done if I'm unwilling to forgive somebody else. But there
is a difference, and this is what many people don't understand.
There's a difference between forgiveness and justice, between forgiveness and
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ramifications for what you did. When my daughters, as I
was raising them, they did things wrong, I always forgave them,
but they still may have gotten punished. You still had
to pay the price to learn from what you did.
And so that's what I see in this situation. Mike
Michael Thomas, the receiver, said, I'm a Christian and I'm
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taught to forgive. I forgive Drew Brees, and I think
he can learn. He does not need to be canceled.
He said, I'm willing to learn. I'm willing to listen.
And I think there should be a lot of players
who are willing to share with Drew Derek experiences, and
you would think he'd already talked to some of them
about this. But whatever share with them some of his experiences.
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And here's the thing, Rob, what he's got to learn
and what he's really got to do to show that
he's sincere is put action to your words. He should
he does a philanthropic stuff. He should start doing philanthropic
stuff in the name of justice, fighting against police brutality,
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helping young African American children who are trapped in poverty,
things like that. If you really want to show that
you have learned, that you have had to change your heart,
that you now understand, those are the types of things
you need to do. I'm with you. I'm with you.
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I think Drew learned a hard lesson yep. And I
think he had to learn it because he was oblivious
to reality. Chris. Is one thing to have ideals, it's
another thing to live reality. And that's how it came off.
Do you know what I mean? Like he's talking about
the flag and his grandfather and wearing that that sounds
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all good. What are you watching in front of you?
How could you be so oblivious to what's happened as
the country's being burnt down, Chris, Right as the country
is being burned down. Hello, I say it all the time.
Is this on that's why there was so much blowback.
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iHeartRadio app. Aaron Rodgers, your boy, Aaron Rodgers came up
more now than ever. Hey, you couldn't help, but like
what he said, and kudos props to him. We talked
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about he didn't really say, Chris, he didn't. He could
he could have chilled. He could have just totally been
quiet and watched Drew Brees get hammered, you know, but
instead Aaron made a strong statement. We talked about Drew
Brees and in his statement and how he got a
lot of blowback from that. But here's what Aaron Rodgers said.
It has never been about an anthem or a flag.
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Not then not now listen with an open heart. Let's
educate ourselves and then turn word and thought into action.
Great statement. I thought it was well. I thought it
was well put together. Chris really yep, rare, and it
didn't that wasn't that long. I mean, he said a
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few other things, but you know, he just spoke from
the heart and made it said a very strong statement.
And Richard Sherman talked earlier in the week before Rogers
even came out, because you look, you gotta give problems
to a lot of these these white quarterbacks. And you did,
Rob in a column you wrote for Dad Spin, Ryan Tannehill,
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Derek Carr, Tom Brady, Joe Brow it's Joe Burrows just
about to enter the league. And Trevor Lawrence at Clemson
who's still in college, who's rock out. They made some
strong statements and again, props to them. And Richard Sherman
talked about the importance of white athletes speaking up. Here's
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what he said. Rob G's gonna read it. That's right.
He said this to Albert Brier, the MMQB said, quote,
I'm impressed with the white quarterback speaking up because those
are voices that carry different we weight than the black
voices for some people, Which means the people who refuse
to listen to a black athlete's perspective will hear the
same thing said from a white athlete but received the
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message much differently. All right, Rob, you have some strong
feelings about that. I do, and I'm not trying to
dismiss Chris, and you know it. We talked about it
pre show. These guys speaking up. I think it's tremendous
because and when you're looking at what's happening in this country,
it's just about right or wrong. It's not black or white.
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It's about right or wrong. And most people know the
difference between right and wrong. And they might not want
to say, Chris, but they do. They know even if
it's your own people that ain't right, they know it right.
But in this case, I want to be careful and
Richard Sherman, I get what he's saying, but don't discount
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these black quarterbacks who are some of the biggest stars
in the NFL and faces of franchises. Before I wrote
the column, Chris about the black quarterbacks, the star quarterbacks,
you remember, none of them had spoken about this right
and now since then. And I'm not taking any credit
there could have been on their own timetable. I'm just
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saying I wrote about it because it was missing. There
was no Jack Prescott, there was no Lamar Jackson, there
was no Russell Wilson, there was no uh Dak Prescott.
I mean, um, who am I missing? Deshaun Watson, Deshaun
Watson and he marched though. He marched though, and and
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um and Patrick Mahomes. Those guys were missing in action.
When all of this was going, you had four or
five white quarterbacks already jump out and make their statements. Okay,
Since then, Russell Wilson has been out, Chris talking about it.
Dak Prescott put out a statement and donated a million
dollars for pre police training and all that. Uh, DeShawn
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Watson went out to with the Floyd family. I believe
right to protest in Houston, and Patrick Mahomes also put
out a statement. I haven't seen anything from Lamar Jackson,
but everybody else kind of jumped in. All I'm saying
is I feel a little weird, like people feel like
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we have to wait for white people, white quarterbacks to
validate what we've been saying. And that's the only thing.
So the name prominent players who happened to be black
have that casche. Michael Jordan has cass, Lebron James has cass.
Patrick Mahomes is the biggest star in the NFL right now.
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He has cash. Those guys voices. If you're a fan
in the NFL, or you're white fan in the NFL.
Don't tell me that you don't. You don't care what
Patrick Mahomes thinks or whatnot. That's your guy. That is
your guy and improved positive. I was just watching forty
two the other day, Chris, and um it came apart
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where uh I just forgot his name, the general manager,
Oh my god, branch rick branch Ricky was talking to
Jackie Robinson in like the training room by hisself and
he's and this is near the to the movie. And
he says, I was driving the other day on you know,
in Brooklyn or whatever, and he goes, you made an impact,
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and he said, what are you talking about? He said,
I saw some white kids playing in the sandlot and
I stopped to watch them, and one of the kids
was emulating Jackie Robinson. He was doing all the same
things that Jackie would do. Do you know what I mean?
On the base pass and whatnot. And he was like,
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that's the impact. They all followed. They want to be
like you. So I'm not saying that I'm not appreciative
Chris or I'm pooh pooing them, But white quarterbacks don't
have to validate our play, our people and our stars
and our people should be on the forefront and those
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guys should join in, but they don't have to take
the lead for us to all of a sudden go
oh yeah, okay, man, maybe there is. It's a problem
because Aaron Rodgers said something, because Carson Wentz said something,
If Dak Prescott says something, and Patrick Mahomes said something,
and Russell Wilson said something, people need to listen and
people and people need to get that message out. So
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that's my only thing is looking for white people to
always validate what it is we're going through. Well, I think,
are you saying that the black quarterbacks because white quarterbacks
spoke out first and then the black quarterbacks came Are
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you saying those quarterbacks seem to be waiting for whites
to be oh, okay, it's okay because they said no, no, no.
I'm saying that like like that's the stamp of approval. See,
even Aaron Rodgers thinks this is bad. Hey, even Carson
Wentz came out and saying, I'm saying, you don't need
those guys to validate the plight. It's great to add
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them in and let them and have them speak up
for right and wrong, But looking for those guys is
if we have to wait for them to join in.
Those guys, Chris, the black five black quarterbacks I name
who were around when Colin Kaepernick first kneeled back in
twenty sixteen, they could have validated him. They could have
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validated the whole thing, whether Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers
or anybody else got involved. If those guys would have
validated Kaepernick, tell me that it wouldn't make it. It
wouldn't have made a difference, Chris. If those guys validated
him by kneeling with him or showing support publicly and
saying what he's doing. I might not kneel, but I
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know what he's doing is right, and I'm with Colin Kaepernick.
That would have validated the movement. I think you make
a decent point. But I think that I agree with
Richard Sherman, and not because white told more like because
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what they say is more important. That's not it at all,
But because in a country that's sixty five percent white,
in a country where the economic system, the educational system,
and the very justice system that we're trying to change
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is controlled by white people, where they control well over
ninety of the wealth in this country, that is Richard
Sherman's point is that with those people, with those people,
it will mean more. It's unfortunate, but it will mean
more coming from the white quarterbacks. Now here's what I'll say,
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because but let me finish black. I agree with you,
because I've called for black players in mass to do
some stuff. But if it's just gonna be speed king
out what the white players say, if they're especially if
they're superstars, and it's a lot of them, that will
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hold more weight with mainstream America than a black player
speaking out, the black players have to go further. If
if this is why I agree with you, If Lebron
James and Chris Paul and Yanni's out to the COOPO
and Cam well not Cam, but Lamar Jackson Patrima, if
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they say, we're not playing, make all the plans you
want for disney World, make all the plans you want
for a Bubble, We are not playing until we feel
that justice is served, until the criminal justice system is changed. Yes,
then we would we would be able to make a
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change regardless of what the white quarterbacks do or superstars do.
But but just us making a statement, heck, Lebron James
Chris Paul, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo, Anthony does didn't get any
bigger than that. They stood on the stage at the
Espies and read about this a couple of years ago,
and we see the same junk happening Jackie Robinsons. That
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was seventy years ago. Okay, white kids emulating black athletes.
This message still happening. Yeah, But but the only problem
I have, so your whole life happening. But this is
also a country that had a black president for eight years, Chris,
and they do control the money, they do control the laws,
right and they do, but they but they voted for
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him because he had the right message. So I'm not
I'm not buying that happening with a black president. No,
but I know it. But that's not happened Obama. That's
not my point. My point is that that this whole
notion that it that it has to come from a
white guy. It came from a black guy and they
voted for him. That's how how much? How much change?
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That's not what I'm talking much change happening. That's not
what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about change. Were
talking about saying something. No, this is where we disagree,
because just because Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady say something
doesn't mean it's gonna be change either. Chris, Well, we
don't have we seen it, because who put Jackie Robinson
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in Major League Baseball? It wasn't Josh Gibson and Jackie
Robinson and black players standing up saying take us. It
was branch Rickey. No, but they took a white dude that.
I ain't saying nothing. I'm not saying whites are better.
I'm just saying, in this racist country, what they say
and do holdsmore sway with the powers that be, And
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in this racist country, they elected a black man for
eight years to lead the country. Chris, whether it's symbolic
or whatever, what they try to say we post racial.
That I was quit to say we post racial. I
never I never bought into that. A matter of fact,
I remember having an argument with my nephew about that,
because that's what the millennials were buying into it that point,
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and I never believe that. My only point is I
just don't. I always feel like like we gotta be
validated by the man. Let me just agree with you
gotta be created by the man. It ain't good enough
to like it's always well my own people. When when
when I walk the streets Chris and and people are
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talking about the show or talking about FS one, I
love all of the comments be It don't have to
be from the man or white guys for me to
feel good about what we're doing. If our old people
are robbed, that is funny. When nobody's saying I don't
think Richard Sherman or any black person is saying, oh,
white said it, it means it's real. No, they're talking practically.
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You and I are on a white station. Let's keep
it real. If white powers that be saying y'all get
into racial we're not doing it. We have to deal
with that. I mean, let this is practical stuff. You've
seen black black people and whites get on TV and
say this is not a black problem, this is a
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white problem. Frederick Douglas said this. There is this. He
said this to a couple hundred years ago. There is
no Negro problem. The problem is whether the American people
have loyalty enough, honor, enough patriotism enough to live up
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to their own constitution. He was talking about white people.
They have the power to change this. Unfortunately, we don't
without dire circumstances, and it's not gonna be a tweet
from Lebron James. It's gonna have to be Lebron James
saying I'm not lacing them up. It don't have to
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be that for a white guy. We could agree to
disagree on this one, but I'd love to hear what
people say. I agree with your sentiment. I think if
you're saying you don't like that, people seem to give
more weight to what whites are saying. That's exactly what
I'm saying. As big as any player in the NFL,
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and if we're talking about football players chiming in his world,
he can't and would have to stop playing. But I'm
just My point is his words should count, just as
I agree and George. Black people shouldn't be getting shot
down unarmed by the police. We're talking about black people.
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A third of black people shouldn't be poverty. We're talking
about two different things. You're talking about idealism. I'm talking
about what's real. No, I'm talking about the idea that
just because white guys got to give you a stamp
of approval, now it's a real thing. This thing could
have been stuff by approval or by black people. That's
what I'm telling you. If not to play whatever they
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whatever they whatever the motivation is, it's still wouldn't have
been validated. It still could have been valid today. We
saw it. Christ at Missouri. We talked about it. Yeah,
but that's my point. They didn't know, but they but
they didn't wait for it. But they didn't wait for
the white coach or white players to validate them. They
said they they said, you, you said, That's exactly what
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I said. I said. The black players do have the power,
but they're gonna have to go much further than making
a statement. Aaron Rodgers can make a statement and white
America goes ooh, Lebron James can't make no statement and
making white America take notice. He asked to stop playing.
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I'm withholding my services. That's what the Cats a Missouri did.
That's why it worked. And we make so much money
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R to listen live. Shannon Sharpe has you know, as
he is on everything, He's been very outspoken about this
with Skip Bayless or undisputed, and he had a serious
issue with what Drew Brees said yesterday when Breeze was
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asked about if players knelt, you know, knelt for the
flag or during during the anthem next year when they
start the upcoming NFL season, and Breeze went into a
soliloquy about how he would never kneel for the flag
and he never you know, he always reviewed as somebody
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disrespects the right, and so he got that pushback. But
here's what Shannon said about Breeze Drew Breese. Phil doesn't
seem to get it. Now. He issued apologist skill, but
it's meaningless because the guys know that he spoke his
heart the buried first time around. Correct. Now. I don't
know if I don't know what Drew's gonna do, but
he probably should just go ahead and retire. Now it
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will never be the same. Take it from a guy
that's been a leader in the locker room for a
number of years. At every step Skip, I've been the
leader in the locker room. What he said, they're gonna like,
oh yeah, you know, no, they will never look at
him the same because he spoke his heart and Skip
and what he's said it wasn't what he said is
how he said it. He was de fighting, all right,
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strong words. Indeed for Shannon, we may be able to
get him on the show. We'll talk to him and
next week maybe next week. And Shannon and Chris, you know,
we've been here since FS one we launched, and Shannon
took this job, you know, and people weren't sure an athlete, uh,
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you know, having to go up with against Skip every
day and have we work out yep. Every Shannon has
done a great job. He has a board, he really has.
He's researched, Chris. He's prepared, he's passionate. We're not doing
it too, We're just talking about because he does his homework.
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He's ready. He's ready every day and has done a
great job and is a great voice. The only thing,
my only little critique there was, and you know me, Chris,
I'm with the absolutes. He said he probably should retire.
To make that strong. He should have said he should retire. Okay,
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I mean, let's say he came that strong. Do you
think that's right, though that Breeze should retire. I think
what Shannon is talking about is right about the way
his teammates going forward, Chris, they might be able to
play with people. We've all worked with people who we
have little regard for, Chris, correct, Yes, and we got
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to work with them. You gotta do stuff right, right,
I could think of at least one person, and he's
not talking about me, right, or Rob g or Alex
or Hey. I don't think he's talking about anybody on
this show. No, yeah, yeah, But my point is so
you just gotta go out and get a job done.
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But but I think what he's talking about, as far
as it not being the same, it will be hard
because at the time, when the teammates were looking to him,
the leader in the room, Chris, this guy who had
done so much for New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, you know,
having these relationships with the black players. But when push
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came to shove and black people were crying out and
in crisis, he went to wrapping himself in the flag,
the old reliable That's what he ran back to. Rather
than confronting it. They wanted to hear him denounce police brutality,
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social injustice. That's where we were christ that point when
he spoke, that's where we were. Even if and I've
said this to you a million times, Chris, we love
it as reporters when guys say stuff that you can
run with. Just because we ask you a question, Chris Bouzard,
doesn't mean you have to answer it. And he could
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have said, even with Yahoo Finances interviewing him and even
gave you the hypothetical, Drew Brees could have said, not today,
I'm not talking about the flag. I'm talking about Walt Floyd.
I'm talking about the innocent black men who have been
killed in this country. Do you see my point? He
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didn't have to go there. I don't care what question
they ask you. Stop making a reporter the guy he
asked you a question. If not, if that's not on
your mind and you have bigger and better things to
talk about, Chris, you can always say, next question, I'm
not gonna talk about a hypothetical. When when the country's
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on fire and people are hurting, and there's other things
that we need to try to make happen in this
country to change this country. That's what people wanted to
hear from Drew Brees, and they didn't. Well, said, Rob,
I agree with what you said. I disagree with Shannon
on a few things. One now i'm I'm I don't
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know exactly what he meant, and we'll find out when
we can talk to him. I think, listening to the
context of his comment, I think he was saying, Breeze
has lost the locker room. These guys aren't gonna look
at him as a leader anymore. So he probably should retire.
Because after he said he probably should retire, that's kind
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of the stuff he went into. I don't think he
was saying because Drew Brees feels this way, because Drew
Brees made this comment, because Drew Brees is insensitive to
the plight of black America or you know whatever, he
should not be in the NFL. I don't think he
was saying that. If he was saying that, then I
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don't think that's right. That's what happened to Colin Kaepernick.
Kaepernick should be in the NFL regardless of his personal views.
He's happened to be honorable personal views. But your personal views,
you still should be able to make a living and
so I but I don't even think Shannon was saying
just because of what he said, he shouldn't be in
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the NFL. I think it was more because he felt
like he'd lose the locker room. And I don't think
he will because Riley Cooper after he and we talked
about this a little bit earlier. Rob. I mean, he
was at a Kenney Chesney concert which was obviously overwhelmingly white.
He probably felt like, hey, you know, I'm just chilling.
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You know, there's no yeah, I guess. So he played
for the Eagles, of course, and he meant, you know,
he used the N word, said I beat all of
them in words up and so, and he was. He
got into a mogument right with the security guard, right
with the bard guard. But it wasn't like it was
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a personal thing about him, you know, with the guy
who are about Yeah, yes it was. That was way worse.
And yet Michael Vick, who was the quarterback of the Eagles,
forgave him, welcomed him back in and he started the
next two years for the eat. Not only that, he
got a huge contract. If you remember Chris Yep, yep, yep.
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Now another one and I and I'm not I am
not personally I'm not saying this guy's a racist, but Twitter,
which you know, Twitter is Twitter, so we're not putting
saying they're right. But he's got a rep Nick Bosa
in San Francisco. He's you know, he was very pro Trump,
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you know, before he was drafted and and and he's
now this doesn't make him racist, might just be as
a p but he said Black Panthers a horrible movie.
He's tweeted Beyonce's music is trash, you know, he said.
I think people feel that way about him, whether it's
right or not. From everything I can see, he's fine
in the forty nine ers locker room. So I get
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it Breezes the quarterback, but I think that I'm glad
the black players spoke out. And my hunch, I mean
Cam Jordan already spoke with him. Think Alvin Kamara said
he's spoken with him. I think that black players are
gonna sit down with Drew and I think he's gonna
be open to it and speak with them. I'm sure
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they may even have had a team meeting today, but
there when he's going to address the entire team very soon,
and it's gonna I think it's gonna be heartfelt. I
think he's gonna, you know, talk about how he's learned
and he's listening more and you know, like he didn't
mean anything by And I think he'll be forgiven. Michael
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tom has already forgiven you, the great right receiver has
already forgiven him publicly. Demario Davis has done the same thing,
the linebacker for the Saints. So I think, Rob, now,
it's going to be a story. It's gonna be something
they're gonna have to deal with all year, and to
a certain degree, at least early in the season, it's
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gonna be a distraction. And if they don't play well,
it will become a huge story during the season. And
so that could be a whole other issue that this
creates a negative, you know what I'm saying. But it
will also be interesting to see how Drew Brees has
received around the league crowds. Right, I don't know. Good point.
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I think that there's something there. Chris, we heard the chance.
You didn't get to hear him, but Rob g and
I did, and it was a little surprising. And that
was in New Orleans, in New Orleans. That wasn't even
somewhere else, Chris. That was in New Orleans. Where protesters
outside were channing f Drew Brees after the uh, the
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the comments, and um so it'll yes, it will be
gonna have to play it out. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna
have to do some things, as we said, to really
first to show that you are sincere in your apology
and you meant what you said. And if he's gonna
have to do some things though, Rob and look you
know this too. Fans of opposing teams, they'll do whatever
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they have to to get you off your game. You know,
so even fans that might not even care what he said,
they may bring it up in visiting. Uh. Feel although
are we gonna have fans? I mean that's a question too, right.
We don't even know she work out for the Saints,
and we already know that if we play baseball this
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