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How are you? Mister Chris Bussard. I am great, I
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all of that. Yes, we got so much to talk about,
your right. I mean, it's jam packed and we still
haven't even had games yet. Man, so much is going on. Yeah.
I was on a conference call today that the NBA
and the Players Association hell with reporters and they they're
full steam ahead right now, full speed ahead, I should say,
and they they're planning on having this season. Adam Silver

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did say, you know, I mean, if things get too bad,
you know, like a ton of players get it while
they're playing that you know, he didn't rule out having
to call it off. But right now they are planning
to go ahead and uh and have this season, and
so we'll see hopefully they can. But obviously cases are

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spiking all over the place, particularly in Florida and some
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XM channel eighty three. However you may be listening, let
me welcome in the eye couple. Carew already told you
DJ Alex the vegan is on the ones and the twos,
and then we got not Rob g he is out
on another day of vacation. What's getting ridiculous. I thought
you took a lot of days off. What you mean
you thought I took a lot of that, Alex? Would

(02:54):
you say Chris takes up the who takes the move things?
You know? What's interesting is every time it's a holiday
or a long weekend, I always see you, me and
Steve here. I don't know about the other two. What
about that Golden Girls cruise. I mean, the man's gonna
take a little break. The staycation's gonna take a little break.
I don't understand this. Speaking of which, no, every holiday

(03:17):
I'm working. I'm working fourth of July. I see you
working holidays. But then you take normal days off and
you think that matters. Speaking of which is Monday? The day?
Is that the day? No? No, don't come on, come on, man,
I gotta I gotta put you mean not to put
on the air. You gotta hear it first. I want

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I don't want to just I thought you were gonna
do it live on the air. Rosa is that we
want to do. That's why all right, we'll we'll talk
about over the which Chris, we'll talk Sunday. All right. No,
I got my material, No, I got the you do have?
I just want to yeah, I do for Monday's show.
Do I cancel it? No, don't cancel because you do

(03:58):
it and you just put it on tape, play it
for us. I just want to make sure, like the
jokes that were all on board so as far as
whether or not they're suitable family Radio US, because you know,
if you have to ask there. I'm just heavy with
the dump buttons pretty much. I M all right, well
we will we'll work this out. Maybe we'll do it Tuesday.

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We'll work it out though, We'll work it out, Okay,
all right. DJ Alex tysher and lead the lap in
for Rob. G Lee is running things as a producer
today and our man Steve de Sager with the updates.
With all that said, Rob, let's get right to it
and here it is. The National Congress of American Indians

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has called on players for the Washington Redskins to speak
out against the team name, and she is calling for
them to get rid of it. Here here's a little
bit of the statement. I am calling for members of
the NFL franchise and Washington d C to rise to

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the occasion and become heroes. All I ask is that
you state the unequivocal moral truth. Just as you would
never play for the Washington insert any other racial slur,
you will no longer play for any team branded with
a racial slur against Native Americans as long as that

(05:26):
team name stands. Players of conscious should conscience should sit
at home rather than where the NFL equivalent of the
Confederate flag, that is NCAI President Fawn Sharp And I say, Fawn,
more power to you. Can we get a fire for that?

(05:51):
Throw it out, Alex, straight fire. There we go, straight fire.
And what she said, Chris is right on the money.
Stop with all this. You know what's going on in
this country. And God bless Native Americans. They see what's
going on. They see that Uncle Benn and Aunt Jemima

(06:12):
out of work. They see that the last Sambo's restaurant
Chris has been has been name has been changed. Right.
Why why shouldn't they want to get it involved? They
stopped calling it. Put us at the Eskimo Pie no more?
Why not? It's time in nflame Your two hundred and
fifty million dollars is nice. You woke, now you really

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work and you get it. We all know that that name.
I don't even like saying it, Chris. I don't even
like saying it anymore. And there are newspapers and news
organizations around this country that have banned the use of it.
When I wrote a column about a week ago about
this a dead spend, we wouldn't use it. We wouldn't

(06:56):
use the our skins. We wouldn't use it, Chris, even
in the copy, even in the headline. Enough already, and
you know what, Chris, I'm gonna say this. This thing
can be done, done and over with in two seconds. Yep.
When the players say that they refuse to wear that
helmet and refuse to wear those uniforms, the NFL and

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Daniel Schneider will have no choice, zero, Because if the
players revolt and stand up for this and refuse to
wear that, there's no way you can have a team
in Washington, d C. They won't miss a game. And
the only way they'll miss a practice is because the

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powers that people want to wait and see if they
mean business, and once they show they mean business, it'll
be changed yesterday and for those that are wondering, because
I brought this up last week Robe when you were
on your staycation, that if this term is offensive to

(08:00):
Native Americans, then it must go. And if you're really
against racism, then it's not just racism against African Americans,
it's racism against Native Americans as well, absolutely all people
of this land. We're gonna be inclusive. That's what this
country is all about. We're the only nation that has

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people from everywhere, Chris, you go to Japan, it's ninety
nine percent Japanese. Go at most places where all people
from all over the world. Everybody should be welcome to
the party. We need to get off of this. We
all know that that name ain't Ray. We all know it.
Dictionary dot com. Here's the definition of that term. A

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contemptuous term used to refer to a North American Indian.
There it is. It's in the dictionary. What more evidence
do we need? And I am look, here's the difference.
This is the reason that Sambo's restaurant is out of business.
Route or change his name. Change his name. This is

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the reason you don't have some teams named after black
racial slurs because African Americans have numbers in terms of
the population and enough political power power within popular culture
to stand up and make a difference. Native Americans, because

(09:31):
of the way they've been annihilated in the past, don't
necessarily have the numbers or the political power, and that
is why. But that tells if you're only making the
changes because we have enough people or enough political power
to force it or to make you uncomfortable, then your
heart's not in the right place. Then you still are

(09:52):
racist even if you make the changes. If you really
are standing against racism, you will stand again for those
that don't have the power to make you change it,
no doubt. And always remember this, it's not about you.
It's about the people that say they're offended. If somebody says,

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if you don't Chris, if I offend you and I
didn't mean it, and you say, Rob, you offended me,
I apologize, right, That's why I would do. And if
I say, well, I don't know why you're offended, no, No.
If I tell you I'm offended, that's all you need
to know. You don't have to agree with it or
understand it. I'm telling you you offended me. So if

(10:34):
you didn't mean to offend me, you apologize if you don't.
If Native Americans have spoken, they've gone out Chris over
the years and brought in a couple of you know,
there's always somebody on a different you know, who says, oh,
I love it, I think it's good, and they go,
see there's a guy, there's a Native American. He's cool
with it. No, that's not good enough. The National Congress

(10:57):
of American Indians represents five hundred tribes. Thank you. That's
good enough, Chris. That's a better that's a bitter feeling
than some lone wolf who they put on the air
to act like that. He's speaking for all Native Americans.
And you see, look the Radskins are they taking down? Well,
they're getting rid of the former owner Sherman I think

(11:18):
was his name. It took the statue down, but the
name has to go. That's not enough. And I look,
if the league won't do it on its own ride,
we're calling. We're joining missus Fawn Sharp and calling on
the players to take a stand. If you're really about

(11:40):
your life, right, if you're really about that life, you
want Tom Brady and Nick Bosa and you know, you know,
all these other white players to join in our fight, right,
then let's join in the fight with the Native Americans
as well. It can't be picking and choosing which one

(12:01):
do you want. You want everybody to be treated the
same and equal or not, because if you don't understand it.
And the players, hello, I want you guys players, if
you're listening or somebody knows one, tell them to google
what happened at Missouri? And how much power to players
who make no money, Chris have the coaches had their
scholarship in their back pockets, and they stood up for

(12:24):
what was right, and they got the president of the
university and the chancellor to both resign within a week's
time or whatever it was a couple of days. Yep,
it's very emigant. Come on, Like you said, it would
be done within a week. The change would be made
within a week. And it, however long it takes, which

(12:48):
shouldn't be learned to get rid of the uniforms or
the helmets, whatever it is, all that it could be
done quickly. And all you have to do is make
us stand in Washington. Remember when all the people were
getting killed in Washington, so they didn't want to name
the team the Bullets anymore. Chris yep, and they just
changed it to the Wizards the older Poland was just

(13:09):
like that, you know the connotation. Remember they had a
high murder rate and see, and he was like, I
just don't like that name, the bullets being associated with
the team's name. And they changed it. Everybody bought new
jerseys and that was the end of it. Chris, it
was no big deal, right, It's not that complicated. It
really isn't. And so I salute Faun Sharp, the president

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of NCAI, and I assume it's a women. Maybe I'm wrong,
I don't know, but I salute this person. And so
the National Congress of American Indians has called on players
to make the Red Skins change their name. All right,
You're Turned Away in eight seven, seven ninety nine on

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Here's the question for you. Do players need to take
up this cause everybody's talking about social justice and they
are doing stuff. Is this something they also need to
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Should the players take up the cause and add getting
rid of the red Skins name to their fight for justice?
You're turned away in Let's get to it all right,
John and Illinois. You're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What you got, hey, guys? Should they take

(15:00):
up the cause for the Redskins? Absolutely? I spoke with
a Native American friend of mine that I played video
games with, and I ask him, are you offended? For real?
Because I'm a white guy from from from southern Illinois.
So my level of gage of whose rate system who's
not may not be very well. But I'm trying to
understand and I'm trying to be woke as best I
can say. He said that the Redskins is absolutely offensive,

(15:26):
and not just because some dictionary said it, but the
Redskins itself and the meaning behind it was that was
a scout Native American. Yes, that the white people. We're saying,
look at that redskin because of the blood from what
from what we had done. And these are trusts. I
think if you have to tell a person to get
on board, then their hearts not in the right place.

(15:48):
They'll get on board because it's the right thing to do.
I appreciate the show, guys, Thank you, thank you. We
all know some some some of the opposers of the
just this are racist, and some are just ignorant of
what's been going on and what you know, the history
of the country, really right, and just like we don't

(16:09):
know everything about I don't know everything about Native American culture,
about any stretch, not at all. That's why he took
the right approach he did. And he asked a front
of his yep, just like and and and that's where
you find out if somebody tells you so, you just
have to believe them. Why why wouldn't you Chris and Boise,
You're in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio? What's up? Chris?

(16:30):
How you guys doing? How you doing? Man? So, so
I'm taking uh, I think the players should do it.
Um that that name is incredibly offensive. Um. And I'm
coming from you know, I'm a white guy in Idaho.
Uh but I think the cancel culture is getting out

(16:51):
of hand, and you know, the political correctness, I think
I do agree with that. You know, the things are
taking too far. Like I heard the day that really
state agents they're going to start calling the main bedroom
a main bedroom and not a master bedroom because you know,
the terms offensive. So there is some stuff where I'm
kind of in the gray. I draw a line on

(17:12):
how far we take it. But Redskins is very, very derogatory.
And if the only thing that they could be doing
to have not changed it by now is being concerned
over money. But you know, if you read brand and
you read label, you have merchandise staying home without quick Yeah,
you can make money on doing the right thing too.

(17:34):
So I don't know why they haven't done it now. Chris,
it's a good call in the bottom. Like you said,
if they won't do it out of the goodness of
their heart, then the players need to make them do it,
no doubt. Dre in Michigan, you're in the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Drey? Okay, what's going on? Fellas?
What's up? Man? Another much man? Once again? Man y'all

(17:56):
brothers changing the world. Man. I'll tell you that which
I'll talk show the things that you talk about. Thank
you man. I just a shared experience right quick. Man, Chris,
you brought up last week about how when we haven't
need the discussions with people from other races, not to
be offensive or be offended by it, but you know,
try to relate to them. And since I listened to that,
I mean I had two of the greatest conversation with
some co workers and to get a real understand of

(18:18):
what each East person is thinking and going through. So
I really do appreciate you for that. Thank you man.
I appreciate that no doubt. But far as the Native Americans, yes,
they should stand up for them, man, because if anybody
has comparable to that genocide that was committed against them
as African Americans and Native Americans, because we've both been
through it and you can't have somebody stand up for

(18:38):
you but you're not stand up for them. They've got
to be right on all side. And like the first
caller I talked to him name, I don't even use
the term anything no war because I've been talking to
a Native American. He taught me how offensivem that was
I don't even allow my kids saying you know what
I'm saying, We say Native Americans because that's what they are. Drey.
You know what's funny is you say that. I remember

(18:59):
being in the bank. I'll never think this is twenty
years ago. I was in the bank and a little
kid came over and he gave We were standing in line.
This is a long time ago to cash your check.
Standing in line, he gave. He was about the long tens,
like over with twenty years ago. And the kid came
over as a little kid. He gives a guy a

(19:19):
nickel that he had. He gave the kid a nickel,
and then I mean the kid gave the man a nickel.
The man held on to it. The kid came back
for his nickel, asked him for his nickel back. And
I'll never forget as a white kid and white mother,
and I'll never forget, the mother said to him. And
I remember how much it hurt me just standing in

(19:39):
line to hear it. She said, Billy, don't be an
Indian giver. You gave that man a nickel. And I
realized what that meant. Do you know what I mean
is she said it like off her tongue without even
thinking about it. That's exactly what it was. I remember
that term growing up as a kid and probably saying
it myself. Not I don't even you know what I meant. Yeah,

(20:02):
that was just a part of what we you know,
people grew up saying, but you're right and m but
you gotta get rid of that stuff, no doubt, to
get rid of that stuff. Mark and Sacramento. You're on
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's going on, gentlemen.
I'm good that the three callers right before me. I'm
just gonna echo what this head because they hit perfectly

(20:23):
on the head. They expressed this very well. I just
want to add one of my own personal to it.
First of all, yes, the players should do this, and
I agree with Rob. They got a loud voice because
if they don't play, those owners are buckle man. I
agree with Robe. Yeah. And the last point I wanted
to make my personal was that, uh, they're the original Americans.

(20:44):
They were here first. So if we're gonna take down
a statue, let's take down Christopher Columbus. You can't discover
something that people are already here. That's the way I
look at that. You guys, you come in steal my
house and tell me you discovered it, you know, Come on, right,
it's possible, right, yeah. Uh, let's go to I'm sorry, Uh,
let's go to Tucker. Wait a minute, Tucker, justin truck trucker, justin.

(21:10):
I'm sorry, I was looking for the city trucker. Justin.
You're in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. There
it is, Thank you, brother. You know we always love
that sound. Absool a gentlemen. Um. I really think the
players should, but you know, we need to really, I
think we don't need we lose you in the Pandora's

(21:33):
box because if hello, yeah we got oh okay, sorry,
if we start changing everything, which I think it should
be changed, but then we start looking at the history
like I'm a bit of a history buff, and if
you want something kind of really dark, look at the
history of Chief Blackhawks. Scall of what famous leader tapped
it around as a souvenir and as a warning to

(21:55):
others to not defy the American governments Miami. That's the
Native American tribe Mankato, Minnesota. I mean, the lust is endless,
chipping off falls. Let's just go on to our country
and all of the names we our ancestors conquered the people,
and the name our cities that conquered tribes and famous leaders.
So we should That's a really tongue and cheap kind

(22:17):
of thing going on. And I think they should change
where do we go down? And I said this last
week that when when civilizations are countries, societies change, the
names change right now, most in most cases it's done
by war. I mean, like you said, like you said,
when the American settlers came here, they change names, they

(22:41):
knocked down, told them poles, idols, all that right, and
change their names. And this is so far even beyond
you know, some of the looting variety. This has been
a peaceful revolution, but names and stuff are being changed,
and stuff is you know, idols are being knocked down,
idols of these statues, these Confederate soldiers and all that.

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(24:30):
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Being a black nerve was in the closet. Now, man,
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and they remember black nerves a little different because we
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side to us. We just don't know how much we
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(25:35):
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that's not true. But do you get that a lot?
Do people always come up to you because so many
people claim they've seen that movie? Do people come up
to you and say that a lot? Well, this is
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(25:56):
and I was living in the fourth dimension. So now
that I'm back here with regular people, it doesn't my man.
I used to listen to their music the fourth Oh,
that's the fifth match, and I'm sorry that you can't
come back to that. People don't come back. People don't
make it back. Say bad? What do you getting serious

(26:18):
for a moment? What do you think about all that
you see going on? Obviously you've been, you know, in
this country and seen a lot racially different, you know,
generate every generation we seem to deal with this. But
does this one seem a little bit different? This one
is like this one is like the sixties when he
got fired, they just we said done. Remember the sixties,

(26:40):
we said done it, We're done, and it did what
There was a mujric reaction. It has some loss, fake integration,
fake that, fake that, and then we realized things were
almost right back to where they were. It was more coverd,
not over. They hid, They did the minimum. Literally, well,
this one it went on. We know what think about it,

(27:02):
a so called twenty dollars kind of fit. Bill struck
a revolution the building. We still haven't seen to this
day that no one's seen this in twenty right. It
was so blatant. This man knew he was on camera.
He put his hand in his pocket and sold the
other two cops are going, can we do this? He
was training them saying, yes, this is exactly what we do.
And it was kind of post because now that we
know that the George worked with him and I see

(27:25):
got him fired because of the way he was treating
brothers in the club. This was some payback for him.
This was some payback for him. So I hope you
go to prison, and I hope we never see you again,
and I hope somebody puts hands on you. And that's
why I'm I'm at that point now, no more compliance,
no more, hey mane where the good apples? If you're
not speaking up? They said, when when evil things happened

(27:46):
and good men say nothing evil? When? So I'm always
now Yeah, no's bad. I've always said the only people
worse than the people doing the bad stuff, or when
good people don't do anything or jump in, And I
think you're right. Most people just can't do it, can't
deal with it anymore, and have decided that it's just

(28:07):
not We're done with that. Absolutely. We were just talking
before you came on. Native Americans have issued a statement
they want the Washington to change its name in the
NFL that they've had enough as well. They see all
the statues coming down and all the you know, Aunt
Jemima and Uncle Ben and all Confederate flag and they

(28:31):
want they want the Skins to change their name. What
do you think. You know, it's funny, you know, it's funny.
I think now they've been asked for this for a while.
I think for the first time they might get right now,
the world is so in five a lot of people
who've been speaking and speaking, and they should get it.
Native Americans should have almost anything they ask for. If
you go to reservation to see how they treaty. They

(28:53):
were eliminated, this country eliminated. It's Indigenous people. It's indigenous people.
So yes, I think they're gonna get that name elimit
that it finally, finally, it took. I said, when things
catch on fire. Whenever we talk about the protests and
people sad about protesting, they went right to the riots
and looting. I said, well, the first looting was the
Boston tea party. This is straight, straight, y'all. Y'all, sa,

(29:16):
we just learned from your Playbook's absolutely right. Now. You
are a big Lebron fan and you know the sport
because you played in college basketball. So are you very
confident that the Lakers are gonna win this uh, this championship. Okay,
here's two things. I think Lebron and the Lakers and

(29:38):
and the NBA got cheered and watching them man having
a crazy season at his age. Crazy sea, I mean
in team and in same season that we got cheated.
We got cheated, and see how far Lebron could take us.
He was putting up stupid, bawling. Brother. Now this time
has come off. Even if my boys win it, it's
not the same, you know what I'm saying, it just

(30:01):
won't be the same. It just won't be the same.
There are some to think this will be I've heard
some say this will be bigger because of the layoff
and COVID and and you had to, you know, keep
yourself made and all that. But Kevin say, I mean
we know, Lebron stays and say, we know if there's
gonna be a few some couldn't get to court. I'm

(30:22):
we're trying to figure it out. Everybody's not gonna play
remembers like you got Avery. You gotta take care of
his son. So you know which I'm love at. Jr.
Might be here. I'm loving that because I've been waiting
for my boy to come back. I love him Cleland
since twenty sixteen. Though I mean I haven't hit he
seen him hit the three since twenty sixteen. He's been

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but he's been working out since twenty sixteen. Remember him
and Lebron got that symbogy. They're probably be working out together. See,
they got a thing, the boys that played in Cleveland
with him, like when he remember he told New York
they said they got when they got rid of Jr.
And Lebron said, will take him? Remember he said, will
take right until it was Game one against in the
Finals when h Jr. Didn't remember the play at the

(31:06):
end of the game and Lebron remember he didn't remember
he didn't never realized he'd be ran out the clock
when they had a chance to win the game. I've
never seen anything like that, but memory. That was the year.
A lot was going on with his life with his family,
but his daughter. There was a lot of that. There
was a lot going on that brother's life at that time,
you know, and he just he looks scattered, even Lebron like,
he just looked scattered. Yeah, yeah, I look at it.

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I have no worst word because I can't figure it out.
I have no words for it. Because we know he's
a small ballplayer. We know he's the way he's played.
I'm like this, it came out of nowhere. Now you nowhere.
You are from Jordan's generation. Do you think Jordan or
Lebron is the goal or somebody else? This is it, man.

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We always said, we've been talking for we look at numbers. No,
George the boy, I said, you know, man, after we walked. No,
there's nobody as intense as Mike. Let's get this, Nobody
as intense as Mike. Nobody mental like, but some of
that necessary Michael got. There's some isms Michael, Michael got

(32:12):
from isms, but it shared him well. But Lebron dominating.
Let's look at it again from his Rooki year on.
It takes five years. It didn't take five years. It
didn't take a Scottie. This brother was putting teams on
his back from day one. This brother came back from
Miami to a Cleveland team. And I was like, I cried,
if I'm with you man when he went to when

(32:34):
he went to Cleveland, I'll go with you. I'm going
with you. This might be the end. And I said,
this brother always knew. He looked at what he had
because remember to take the first time. This ain't the
first time I had guys like just the fourth. I've
had guys like this before. But what you're telling me,
you think he's better than Michael went Now now people

(32:55):
talk about that. Are you saying that? Are you saying that.
I'm saying this. I'm saying this from a man that
loves both of them. You can't go wrong with one.
You pick, pick you pick? Can you pick a favorite author?
Sometimes no great writers? So I love this. I love
this writer. Can I pick a favorite car? This one

(33:17):
does this, but this one does this. That's why you
have two of them. I want you to pick, but no,
I say this, but here's the problem. Here's the problem.
You want to be two. He ain't got the whole group.
You ain't got doctors. They remember, I'm a probably got
the abab watching doctor Jane Commins. We talk about magic Johns, Hayteel,
Magic Johnson out there, Hayeso kream Jabar haythe Bill Russell
were all talking about who's the greatest. And if you
talk about rings, so' not gonna talk about Bill. And

(33:38):
Bill was a freaking nitch, only being six nine two
when he did. I saw Will Chan, I said, guys,
if you're gonna talk about the greatest of all time,
well you gotta look at a big list. You gotta
look at a bigger list. You can't just look at
two people. Not for me. I'm shocked that people will
sit there and forget about and almost just respect magic.

(33:58):
And with this young brother did in the game. You know,
so I looked at doctor Jay betray gout that he
was an older man when he got here. But if
you see doctor Jay and dines for dinner and he came,
I screamed like a little girl the first time my
son and I was even trying to feel in my
boys from the Bronx. Juti Loud Wilson said, Joe, you
got to see him. I said, man, the Aba, man

(34:20):
a ball was another bounds. He caught up with one hand,
turned around and threw down on Bobby Jones and I
jumped out my seat and screamed like a little girl.
From that day, I grew my outfoot like him. I
pomed it in the back like him. I tried to
walk like him to me, Man, dude, I mean just saying,
the hoost who didn't see him in the Aba have
no clue. And if you asked Jordan about him, and

(34:40):
as she asked the Brown about them, and you asked
the magic a bottom to say, that's the one I
based on. No, that based on that is that is
the truth. And that's many bad ropping some knowledge. We
appreciate it, man, sir, Thanks out there, man yea, thanks
for being on the shol much appreciate you. More. I

(35:02):
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(35:23):
the heat like Lepron, We're going big. It's go town.
It's Brus Sard's Fab five. You know, I was thinking
about if Lebron leads the Lakers to the title in
the year of the tragedy about that was the death
of Kobe Bryant, it would be epic. So that led
me to say one of the most epic individual plays

(35:45):
in my lifetime of the NBA Finals, here we go,
Number five, nineteen eighty seven, Game four, Lakers at the Celtics,
seven seconds left, Boston's up by one. Magic Johnson takes
the inbounds path, goes into the paint, and throws up
a soft sky hook to win the game. He called
it the Junior Junior sky hook. The Lakers went on

(36:08):
to take a three one lead and win the series.
In six. Number four, two thousand and sixteen, Games seven,
Cleveland at Golden State, Lebron's chase down block or Andre
Iguadolla's layup attempt. Game was tied at eighty nine. If
Lebron had been just half a millisecond later, Iguadollas shot

(36:30):
would have hit the glass first and it would have
become goaltending and probably would have given the girl, may
have given the game, the Golden State in the series,
kasmin on to win the game and give Cleveland its
first major league title in fifty two years. Number three,
nineteen ninety eight, Game six, You know, Bulls at Jazz

(36:50):
Michael Jordan, his team down the point, nineteen seconds to play.
He steals the ball from Carl Malone, then sink some
mid range jumper over Brian Russell to seal the game,
the series, and its sixth NBA title. Why isn't this
number one? Because at MJ missed the shot, the Bulls
still would have had a chance to win the series.

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In Game seven, Number two, two thousand and sixteen, Game seven,
Cleveland at Golden State. Again, Kyrie Irving with the game
winning triple in the grill of Steph Curry, the MVP
that year, the unanimous MVP that year, to give Cleveland
the Game seven victory and series, the greatest comeback in

(37:37):
NBA history from a three one deficit to Cleveland. Wall
Street Journal called it the greatest shot in NBA history.
Here's why I didn't go there because the game was tied,
so had Kyrie missed, they still would have had a
chance to win. You know later later on it from
that point Number one, two thousand and thirteen, Game six,

(38:00):
San Antonio at Miami. Miami was done, so done that
hundreds of their fans had left the building. NBA security
was putting the yellow rope around the court so that
fans couldn't disrupt the trophy presentation to the Spurs. San
Antonio was up by three. Lebron misses the three, Chris

(38:20):
Bosh grabs the rebound kicks to a back pedaling Ray
Allen in the right corner, and Ray drained the three
to force overtime. Mammy goes on to win that game
and then Game seven to take the series. I think
that was the best shot in NBA history, the biggest
shot in all of NBA history, because if he misses,

(38:42):
they're going home, and history has changed. Lebron's probably not
even in the gold conversation. They lose that one, all right,
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(40:07):
That's right. But before we get there, Robe, Brandon Marshall
was on the her today saying something very interesting about
your man, Aaron Rodgers. Here he is. They should have
won two Super Bowls in the last five years. You
to me, Aaron Rodgers is my favorite quarterback in the NFL,
But you wasted this guy's career. You got one super

(40:28):
Bowl out of Aaron Rodgers. Are you kidding me? It's
too late, It's too late, all right, Rob, go ahead?
I mean, I don't think Brendan Marshall's crazy with his
take on what the Packers were doing and how they
did their business, Chris. They also won with the way.
Remember they never go out, They never went after free agents,

(40:50):
and I always drafted at one point, which was unbelievable, Chris,
and I thought it was because they were always in
the mix. But at one point their entire roster they
had only one player on the team that Chris wasn't
drafted by them. Who does that right? Like every player

(41:10):
was was drafted by them. They had no outsiders. It
was ancestralists. Is that the right word? You know what
I mean? Like ancestralists? I think that's a word. You
know what I mean? Ancestress Like I'm not but I know,
but you know what I mean? Do you know what
I'm saying? Like they did, they didn't go out and

(41:32):
do that, and they and and and especially when you
talk about maybe spending money and bringing in defensive players,
especially because obviously during his prime and his numbers Chris
and MVPs and his seasons that he's had, he was
able to get that franchise. On the CUSP. There was
the Seattle the onside kick, and obviously if they secured that,

(41:54):
they probably would have gone to the second Super Bowl.
And of course did the tight end miss handled it
and Seattle got the ball back and they wound up
losing that game. And then the other part we talk
about the defense is uh Aaron. In five of Aaron's
playoff losses, um, the defense is given up thirty eight
or more points. I mean, I don't know who can

(42:16):
win in a postseason when your defense is given up
that amount of points. I mean Tom Brady could do that. No,
tom Brady can't because he lost when they did that, right,
that's the Philly game. So don't give me that he lost.
Now he could win, he won't. No, I'm talking about
giving up eight or more than any other quarterback. I'll
get somebody to look it up. How many teams of

(42:38):
one game when their defense gave up thirty eight points?
And in the playoffs, and I guarantee you the numbers low,
but anyway, when you start to look at all those things,
his point is legit that they they could have been
other things done. They were, they were close, they made
the playoffs a lot, they won the division, they were
in NFC championship games. There were all kinds of situations there.

(43:00):
So it's not like that's why they kept doing what
they were doing because it seemed like, well, it's working.
We know we won the division again, we made the
playoffs ten out of eleven or twelve years in a row,
and we've done this and we've done that. But they
couldn't finish the deal in those big playoff games against

(43:20):
better teams. And I think that's what really when you
take a look at his career as a whole, that's
what sunk him. Often times, I can't remember what the
number is, Chris, but there's three games where he tied
the score and never got the ball back because the
defense gave it up, and those games where they lost.
So and it's not to make any excuses. His record

(43:42):
is what it is. But the bottom line is could
they have done more for Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay? Absolutely, Look,
any objective observer would have to agree with Brandon Marshall,
and I think I believe from twenty ten to twenty
sixteen they'm two free agents, two free agents and six years.

(44:03):
That's ridiculous, and that was their modus operende Rob And
I think I don't know if you were saying everything
you wanted to say, but the way you said it
to me gives them a pass because I think they
were just happy being good. You know, they got the
great fan base, they know the fans are gonna be there,

(44:25):
the fans are engaged because they're so good, and I
think they were happy with that. Hey, and if we
get a Super Bowl, great, I'm sure everybody of course
once won, but they were too content with just being
a playoff team, a contender every year, having arguably the
best quarterback in the league, and they didn't go out
and expand on it and make the team better. So

(44:47):
that point, I think that's indisputable. My thing is this,
though Aaron Rodgers is not blameless. So yes, they should
have made the defense better. Yes they could have gotten
even you know, more weapons at times, but he's still
in many cases did not deliver, and typically in the

(45:12):
NFC title games, he just he's won in three NNC
in NFC Championship games, and the game he won he
didn't play well. Do when they beat Chicago in twenty ten,
he threw two interceptions and no touchdowns. And here's the thing.
He got the scores on the three losses in the
in the NFC championship game, yeah one they lost. They

(45:33):
beat Chicago twenty eight, twenty one, fourteen. Okay, they lost
the Seattle twenty eight twenty two in overtime. And so
you know that's twenty eight points. You gotta be able
to now Atlanta, that's the game. In twenty sixteen, they
were just smashed forty four twenty one. But here's so

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and I'll give you that. Obviously, the defense didn't do anything,
but Rogers didn't do anything either. In the first half
they were down twenty four oh at halftime. It was
similar to what happened this year against San Francisco. You
look at the numbers at the end of the game,
you look at the final score thirty seven twenty. You
can say, look how many points the defense gave up.

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He did nothing in the when the game was in
the balance, he did nothing. Then in the second half,
same thing. It would happened against Atlanta. Second half, he
starts racking up the numbers, pad in the stats, as
you you would say, and it makes the score look better,
it makes his stats look a little better, and then
you can blame it on the defense. But when you you,
I know you watch those games. He didn't deliver in

(46:37):
the first half, and it's neither did the defense. But
Aaron didn't either. And here's the thing, rob this you
also played when when you fall behind in your defense
can't stop anybody just put you in a tougher spot.
That's not from the get go. All I'm saying is
he is not blameless, and we can defens to blame,
but he's also to blame. But if you were to

(46:59):
look at the two in the room, Chris, there's no
way you can look at the defense has given up
thirty eight or more points in five playoff losses and
act as if it has nothing to that. Aaron Rodgers
has more than just said that. No, I'm saying the
defense is not an all time great defense. He is
an all time great quarterback. He has not looked robbed.

(47:19):
This is a guy that has a more than a
four to one touchdown The interception ratio in his regular
season career in four NFC title games, he is one
in three. He's thrown six touchdowns and seven picks. I mean,
that is totally against what Aaron Rodgers does. He's got

(47:41):
a career passer rating of one h two point four.
In the four NFC title games, it's seventy eight. So again,
you're right, the defense has been whacked. The front office
didn't build around him the way they should have, but
he also did not deliver in those huge games. When

(48:01):
I think on the defense, I think most of it
is on the defense. I don't think if if when
you look at the difference between what kind of defense
tom Brady's had and I'm just gonna use the comparison
that tom Brady's always been in the situation Chris where
it's easy to play. If you go look at some
of those comebacks you're always talking about Tom Brady, the

(48:22):
defense pitched to shut out in the second half. That's
the difference be met when they beat Atlanta when twenty
tom Brady played terrible with twenty eight to three, he
was able to come back because the defense was was
stinky in the second half. They didn't give up anything. Still,
have to score the No, No, they didn't give up anything.

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And the second half, I'm admitting that Rogers's defense wasn't
up to snuff. But you're gonna sit here and exonerate
what I just told you about rogers performance. That's not objective.
I'm telling you that if if I have to pick
one thing on why they didn't win, I'm telling you

(49:05):
pick one thing, Chris, is it? Is it Aaron Rodgers?
What is it the defense? Well, I'm asking you you
hold on. I'm asking you if it's Aaron Rodgers, because
at the end of the day, you have to stand
up for your record and and here's why, and you
you do the same thing. If it's not Aaron Rodgers,
then why isn't he in the goat conversation? Because you

(49:27):
gotta win more than that? Christ, are we defense? Wait
a minute, they were in Seattle and they and the
tight end ufs an onside kick to go to the
Super Bowl. You're gonna blame that on Aaron Rodgers. If Chris,
you're not conversation, put him in the gold conversation and

(49:48):
win more to be in the goat. All right, That's
all I'm saying. But that, But about that game man
and a mishandle of an onside kick. That's one game, Rober.
What you're talking about it at one in Atlanta when
the defense couldn't stop my Matt where he couldn't score,
but he couldn't rout the circles around him ten steps

(50:11):
that gazy he did won. Rodgers did nothing when the
game was in the balance and then it was over.
The Atlanta's playing prefit and he racks up numbers, same thing,
the same Zac things that what he did is that
what he did when he beat Pittsburgh to win the
super Bowl. When you watch back in twenty you watch that,
That's how how many did asked Dan Marino? Asked Dan Marino.

(50:32):
For all the numbers he has, what what about his
Super Bowl? I'm asking you He's on MVPs, Chris, he
has the greatest quarterback rating in the history of not
see title games. I'm telling you what in the NFL
history he does. And his biggest Achilles heel is that
he never had the defense. If he had any deliver

(50:55):
in the wold, he would have woman ad Super Bowl
didn't put him in the goat conversation. Back up your words,
put your money where your mouth is you keep me
ranting and raving about how he's blameless. Put him in
the goat. Didn't say it. You're trying to make them.
You're making what I'm saying is about I started to

(51:16):
overlook the defense and act like when you're in a hole.
When you're in a hole and they know you have
to throw on every down, it's a totally different football game.
That's why you can't afford to fall behind. It changes
the way they play you defensively. Come on, man, you
know football better than that. Rob. I started out my

(51:39):
rant by saying any objective observer would agree with Brandon Marshall.
I never said the defense wasn't an issue. All I
said is Rogers is not blameless, and you act like
those holes. He didn't have anything to do with it.
This game a few months ago against San Francisco, same
exact thing. He was to blame largely for that hole.

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He turned the ball over and all that. Then in
the second half, you're right, the defense play differently. They
backed up, they went prevent and he racks up numbers.
He is an all time great quarterback. I'm not saying that.
You act like I'm trying to say he's a scrub.
All I'm saying is he is not blameless. That's it.

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And you want to argue that all day, I'm gonna
argue because he's not blameless. I didn't say it wasn't blameless.
But I just think if you, if you really, if
you're really honest, and you take Aaron Rodgers and you
give him that Patriots defense, Chris, he would have won
because he would have won. He would have won more

(52:47):
super Bowls. To talk, you want to live in fantasyland,
go ahead, fantasy, I'm living in reality. I'm debating what
has happened. God Lee, if Bill Russell was seven two,
he might have had thirty championship And come on, is
that where we're going? And like I said, if this
is how you feel, put him in the go conversation.

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tonight's topic, which is going to be rather fun, is
Vince Carter has finally called it quits, putting away his
super suit after twice two years, which is incredible to

(55:02):
think of any athlete going that long. Tom Brady probably
he played in I can't even name all the teams, Raptors, Hawks, Nets, Magic,
you name it. He's been everywhere, played with everybody. He's
won a Gold Medal, Slam Dunk Contest, Rookie of the Year. So, guys,
I want to present the question to you as do
you think that Vince Carter is a Hall of Famer.
So Chris Broussard, we'll start with you. You got two minutes.

(55:24):
Tell me why you think he is. It is the
Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame,
and NBA title is not a requirement, and few stars
without an NBA title have done more in or four
the game of basketball than Vince Carter. Was a high
school All American, a college All American, an Olympic gold medalist,

(55:45):
and when he won gold in two thousand on a
team that included Hall of famers Kevin Garnett, Gary Payton,
Jason Kidd, Alonzo Morning Ray, Allen Vince, Carter was the
leading scorer, averaging fifteen points a game, that's four more
than any of his teammates, and he put down one
of the absolute most iconic play in Team USA Olympic

(56:07):
history when he dunked over seven foot Frederick Weiss. Then
in the NBA, he was great, a bona fide superstar,
one of the best two guards in the world for
eleven straight years, and eight time NBA All Star. Of
the sixty one players who have made eight or more
All Star teams, only one, Larry Foust, who played in

(56:27):
the fifties, is not in the Hall of Fame. Vinces
arguably the greatest dunker in NBA history, both in games
and dunk contests, and beyond that, he's done more than
any other player to lead to the dramatic growth of
basketball in Canada. In nineteen ninety eight, when he started
his career, there were three players from Canada in NBA.

(56:48):
After his seven years in Canada, averaging twenty three points
a game, five All Star teams, becoming one of the
most exciting dunkers and players in NBA history. Canada fell
in love with basketball because of Vince. Now they got
twenty two players in the NBA. They got Andrew Wiggins, RJ. Barrett, Shaye,
Judie's Alexander Jamal Murray. You can thank all of that.

(57:12):
More kids are playing basketball than hockey in Canada because
the Vince as usual. It's not the Hall of very good.
And that's what Vince Carter is. When you really take
a look at his post career. Chris had to trump
up what he did prior. But if you do all
that and take that into account, his NBA career a

(57:35):
career was a disappointment twenty two years and he made
the All Star team just eight times in twenty two years,
and you're consider the greatest of all time all NBA
just twice. I get the dunks, I get the vinceanity.
It's not a lifetime achievement award for having longevity and

(57:56):
playing a long time. Anybody who who puts up minutes
in the NBA gonna put up numbers. So the numbers
are hollow. And here's the most telling thing that hurts
his career when you talk about he went to five
teams in a row after he left Toronto. Although he
didn't go to bump teams, he went to teams that

(58:17):
were good and had chances to win in the postseason.
He went five teams in a row. Those teams had
either gone to the conference finals or the NBA Finals
in the two years prior to Vince Carter getting there.
So imagine they got there. You get a star, supposedly
one of the all time greatest players, so that should

(58:38):
get you into a chance of get winning a championship
by adding a guy of his caliber. None of those
teams went on to get to the finals once they
got Vince Carter, so it didn't help them at all.
That's it just still should be about winning. No one's
saying that if you don't win, you can't make it
to the Hall of Fame. But you have to have

(58:59):
a positive of input an impact with the team at
Vince Carter just hasn't done that. That's the problem I
have with just putting anybody in the Hall of Fame.
He's not a Hall of Famer. Don't hold when he
was an old man against him. Let's compare him for
some current shooting guards, current Hall of famers who were

(59:20):
shooting guards like him. Chris Mullin and Reggie Miller five
All Star teams they made. Tracy McGrady made seven again,
Vince made eight, Chris Mullin six years and Reggie Miller
six years of twenty points per game or more. Team
MAC eight years, Vince Carter ten years, twenty points a
game or more, Chris Mullin five years, twenty four or
more points per game, Reggie Miller one year, Vince Carter six.

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You say he's got no ring, but he made five
times to the second round of the playoffs, one time
to the conference finals. T Mack, Tracy McGrady never got
past the first round, never won the playoffs series. Dominique
Wilkins Hall of Famer, three times to the second round,
never to the conference finals. George Gervin three times to
the second round, two times to the conference finals. Vince

(01:00:06):
average twenty six or more in the playoffs three years,
twenty two or more, four years. You cannot tell the
game of basketball if you talk about internationally Canada without
easily you can tell that because he didn't. He his
mark didn't matter when it came to winning. It still
comes down to wins and losses when it matters most.

(01:00:27):
He stuck around for a long time to pad his
stats and even his scoring numbers, and everything went down
because he stuck around for twenty two years. So a
lot of those numbers you look at and they really
don't have any meaning. It ain't about longevity, it ain't
about just meaningless numbers. Guys have done more with less

(01:00:47):
because they played him bigger games, they played him more
meaningful games. I'll wait for the big shot that he
made in the postseason. Let me wait, because I don't
remember one. I don't remember him going to Dallas after
they wanted championship and helping him win again. That never happened.
So Vince Carter, for all the stuff he's done in
the NBA, which is a lot because of his longevity,

(01:01:09):
none of it registers with me. When I think of
a Hall of Fame, it's not the hall of very good,
it's for the best of the best. Home me, oh my,
look at the hot couple, couple blowing all their flames
and hot takes up in the sky. You know, guys,
I can easily pick a winner here because I have
my views and opinions on him. But you know it's

(01:01:31):
not up to me to decide who wins this. We
gotta go to our beloved fans to let us know
who they think brought the hottest of hot takes. So
let's start off with Ham and Jersey Ham. Who do
you have in this debate? And why I have Rob
because I'm agreeing with him. It's not the Hall of
very Good. It don't mean a thing if it don't

(01:01:52):
got a ring, and he did go to some contenders
and he wasn't able to deliver. Oh you go, Rob,
thoughts got my case all right? We got Joseph in Virginia. Joseph,
who do you got? And why? You know? I gotta
go with Chris, And it's because he's making common sense. Okay,

(01:02:12):
do you remember Dominique Wilkins, the human highlight? That was
what Vince Carter was. You look at his YouTube highlight.
He was a human highlight. Real he should have a
statue in Toronto. Oh, we're all tied up here, one
to one, cbing Rob. Let's go over to JT and Houston. JT,
who do you got and why I'm agreeing with raw Man.
I just think that Vince Carter. Vince Carter is very good.

(01:02:37):
He did a lot of things, and you know he
like trail blazes in the NBA with his ducks and stuff.
With is he didn't win as much and he wasn't
effective like in games, and I just feel like he
just didn't. Really he's in the Hall of very good,
but he's not in the Hall of fame. He's just
he's just, Oh, he's good, well said. Looks like Rob

(01:02:57):
can make a comeback here to the one. We need
one more. If Rob can take it all, let's go
to Marty and Kentucky. Marty, who do you gotten why?
I'll tell you guys, that was real. I'm really torn
because coming into this I was told me for Vince
Carter because I felt the same way christis. But Rob
made such a good artument's such a good debate. I'm

(01:03:17):
gonna have to ask for another opinion. So here it is.
You must be great River, Yes, sir, Rob Parker is
back in the win column. My man music for his music,

(01:03:40):
we got we got his hard going up because we
got time. I Steve sad Way, are you like do
you apology when Vince Carter's inducted into the basketball NBA
Guru Also they say the Hall of Fame, I'm the
poop poo king. Don't matter. A lot of guys who
don't belong near in the Hall of Fame, so that
ain't long. Well, it'll matter, matter more than this. Fox

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nine for seven auto. The only hard part is figuring
out which way is easier. He's a friend, he's a reporter,
he's an analyst and a host for the NFL Network.
Our man, Steve Weiss, Steve, what's happening in brother? What's up? Buddy?
What's going on? Gentlemen? How's everything going? Were? Good man?
We we just got done debating whether or not Vince

(01:04:43):
is a Hall of Famer. Vince Carter, you covered the NBA.
What are your thoughts. I want it's easy, that's easy. Yes, no, Steve,
thank you. We should kill you on the NFL network.
Now go ahead, very right, Steve on. Absolutely, Vince is
not a compiler. Look look at what he did when

(01:05:04):
he was young with the Raptors, what he did with
the Nets. I mean, I know he's played with nineteen ten,
but Chris Rober gets that we were when we were
sharing the same press rooms. How Vince used to dominate games. Yep,
Vince took over again some of the best players. He
was a physical swing player who could post you up.
He developed a jay. He was far more than a dunker,

(01:05:27):
and he led teams to the playoffs. Yes, you know
when he would when he would tweak his ankle, sometimes
he would go down like he took a couple you know,
buckshot to the hip. People hated the drama, but absolutely
Lebron does that. Yeah. Yeah, you guys act hurt him
playing too long, actually hurt him because his numbers went down,

(01:05:48):
you know, and people start seeing him as just a
mediocre player. But when you played twenty two years, he
played too long. Yeah, but let's let's get to the NFL. Steve,
you of course are the guy that broke the story
about Colin Kaepernick sitting for the national anthem. Where are
you adding on his chances of returning. I mean, we've seen,
you know, these comments that teams are interested in things

(01:06:10):
like that. Do you think he has it is going
to get back in the league. It's a tough call.
I mean, you know, I've talked to a lot of
people about this. There apparently are a couple of teams
who are doing their homework on him. But it's it's
it's a real particular peculiar situation because again, talking to
some people, they're like, wow, you know, so you're bringing
him back. He has not had any offseason to learn

(01:06:33):
an offense, right, so wherever he would go, he would
be coming in really behind the other people, even if
they've just learned it virtually. Okay. Now, I would say,
because if COVID they shrink the number of preseason games,
well then he's not going to have enough time to audition. Okay.
And even if there are four preseason games, he may
not get the run because some of these players, some

(01:06:55):
of the starters, are going to play in the preseason
because again there's been no offseason. So will he get
a fair shake. Will he get enough time to show himself?
And then here's where some teams have told me, even
if we were interested, suppose because he'd been out of
the league for three years and he just doesn't have
enough time to catch up, and you cut him for

(01:07:16):
football reasons. Who is going to believe you cut him
for football reasons? Nobody? Right now, everyone can say, Okay,
you just did that to kind of take the edge
off the league or take the edge off your organization,
and then you cut him anyway, So this is all
a sham. So I'm hoping he gets an opportunity. I'm
hoping he would be ready. I just wish they were

(01:07:38):
under more favorable circumstances where he could have had a
whole offseason to really have to me an authentic and
legitimate shot to make a team again. He could come
in on short notice to make a team. I'm not
saying he can't, but I just wish the deck did
not seem so stacked against him. And this is a
big if. If some team were to give him a shot, well,
your league now has to answer to Native Americans who

(01:08:01):
have made the call Steve that they wan't Washington to
change its racist nickname on that football team in the
NFL saying hey, we get up, we're all in on
the peaceful protest, and here's two hundred and fifty million dollars.
We're woke, We're apologized for not listening to our players.
Are they going to listen to Native Americans in this case? No,

(01:08:24):
here's why this isn't new. This is not new. Okay, Look,
this has been something I've done deeply. I do work
on Indian reservations. I do work with a Native American
journalist association. I mentor a couple of students from NAUSEA

(01:08:46):
and they are highly offended by that name. You will
never hear me say that name. I always refer to Washington.
Do you heard say it? Either? I agree with you,
I don't use it. Yeah. And so you see these studies, Oh,
some people see this as a you know, as a
tribut you, you know, because this is honoring natives in
this or that. I've yet to find the people I

(01:09:07):
have spoken with which are true natives, some of them
who actually live on reservations, who who find this some
type of salute. They find the defensive. And look, this
is nothing new. I've been hearing this. I'm fifty four
years old. I've heard this from Natives for thirty years.
And the owner of that team will not do it.

(01:09:29):
He will he won't do it. The league is as
right now, it seems like it's a time for the
league to enforce its will, but it won't do it.
It's I can't see it happening. You know. We've seen
you know, baseball teams universities change their names not to offend,
but I just don't see it because of the stubbornness

(01:09:50):
of one owner who thinks that the voices of the
Natives are so small in comparison to the people who
are starting to not sit in his stadium, that that
he's not going to do this. Steve the National the
president of the National Congress of American Indians, is the
one that she she actually called today for players to

(01:10:13):
not play for the you know, for the Washington team
because of this until they change the name. Rob and
I are in total agreement. We would love to see
the players, uh, you know, especially the black players. That's
the only way up and stop, you know, because and
I don't think we don't think they would miss the game.
You know, we think that that Daniel Snyder would have

(01:10:35):
no choice but to change. Could you see that happening? No? Um,
And I'm with you because I mean, we're we're seeing
we're starting to see the influence of players, are starting
to realize that they wield. But the most it's funny
because the work I've done that you know, Native Americans

(01:10:58):
and black folks seem intertwined and on the same page.
You know, there's there seems to be such a brotherhood
and sisterhood there. Yet will you know a locker room
full of twenty five year olds do this over the name?
I would hope so, but I just don't see it,
especially under the circumstances that we're in right now. It's

(01:11:21):
shame because here's the thing. You don't hear players ever
speak out about it. And it's not as if and
it's not as if they're not aware of guys. So
you know, I would love to see it happen, but
you know, again, it just gets overshadowed by the guy
who signs those players paychecks. Um, who just refuses to

(01:11:43):
do that. Wow, that's Steve Weis's great wisdom there, man.
And look, we hope it'll happen because we've seen Uncle
Ben and aunt Jemima are unemployed and missus butters But's worth.
But things have change and we gotta You know, some people, hey, Rob,

(01:12:03):
you know some people think those are real people? You know? Apparently, Rob, No,
I do too. I saw I saw Anjremima on the
undeployment line when I drove body every day. She's out
of work now, oh, Steve, great stuff is always brother.
Stay safe, Obama, you and your family stay safe, all

(01:12:25):
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(01:13:29):
that are outside and we are worldly gentleman's ourselves and guys,
I thought you would get a kick out of this one,
or maybe want to get your interest to let us
know what you think. Kanye West and Gap have striked
a ten year deal for quote Easy Gap apparel line.
As we all know, Easy has been parading himself as
now a fashion designer, going to all these big brigalias

(01:13:51):
and fashion shows and France and Paris, and you can
see that he has things like Carnigan's that sell for
a thousand dollars his Easy sneakers. So I'm sure if
this means it's going to be more affordable for some
people or less. But the question I want to ask you,
guys is more so derivative off of do you follow celebrities?
So much to where if they are sponsored or part

(01:14:11):
owners or have investments in certain type of brand, shoes
like Jordan, whatever it may be, does it make you
want to buy them more because of the celebrity's name
or not. So won't start with you, CB, Well, look
I do you know, like to we all are getting
a good education on the history of this country and
things like that. So I've always been one to want

(01:14:31):
to support black businesses and black owned businesses. So like
Foo Boo Carl can I if you remember some of
those brands, they didn't necessarily have celebrities. Sometimes they did,
but I just want to support them because I know
the obstacles they have to overcome, so and something like that.
But when it comes to like celebrities, I gotta like

(01:14:53):
the stuff. I mean, I really I If I don't
like it, I'm not gonna get. You know, even some Jordans.
I'm not gonna get a pair of Jordan's because just
because it's Michael Jordan's I have to like them. And
there's many of the Jordans that I don't like. But
the ones I like, I'll get, but not the ones
I know. So to me, it's about you know, the

(01:15:13):
clothing left. The clothes are fresh, and I think there,
I like them, then I'll wear them. But I'm not
just gonna go buy them because somebody's selling them or
putting his name on it. You know it's Chris. The
funny thing is, I'm with you like that doesn't make
me want to go buy. And I have a pair
of I have two pair of yeezis one black, one
black and one like white or weak color like that. Yeah,

(01:15:36):
and I just got black ones too, not a wall
back and that. I thought you're on your I thought
you were on a buying fast or something like that. Yeah. No,
I'm i gotta get off here. You told on yourself. No, no,
I got a couple of pairs. Come on, raw, I
went four months without buying it is see what wasn't
it supposed to be twelve We're gonna be twelve six.

(01:15:58):
But anyway, so um people told me they were really comfortable.
So I got a pair and I liked them. It
wasn't because of him. I'm not into his music. I'm
not into his politics and stuff like that. But I
will say, Christie, exact opposite is if if you do
something or something that I don't like or I don't.

(01:16:18):
I don't like think you're you know, politically in the
right place or morally in the right place. That will
more stop me from buying or endorse you know what
I mean, something that you have more so than buying
something because I like you. Does that make sense? No,
that that does make sense? And I you know, I
hear you and I there are some places that that

(01:16:40):
I agree, I would have to draw the line. But
I've also realized, you know, me being a Christian, there's
a lot of people that sell things. I don't agree
with certain things they do, you know what I'm saying,
But I'd be canceling out or everything if I you know,
if I just went by and everything. That's what I'm saying.
I think there's there's a line. But there are things

(01:17:01):
I'll buy and I don't agree with the people, you know,
what they do or promote, but I'll still buy it.
You know, depends on where that line is, you know
what you guys think obviously, I mean, I'm probably not
in the big glomerate here, I guess you could say,
because I kind of stay away from things when they're
celebrity endorsed and whatnot, because I feel like they already

(01:17:21):
have enough money at it is, And for example, people
like the Kardashians and whatnot, they're making mega billion empires
off of really nothing to give to society other than
like they're good looks and whatnot. So I kind of
tend to stay away from it and from things that
I don't like to endorse that are hurting things rather
than enabling it. No, I don't I don't do that.
I don't do nothing. I don't do name brands. Man,
I got Tommy, That's what I got. No name brand. Yeah,

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(01:18:28):
Rob Draymond Greene was on First Take on ESPN recently
earlier this week, and I'm not sure if it's earlier
this week or last week, but anyway, it was recently,
and yeah, he made some comments about Lebron James that
I want to want to discuss. Oh, we got it, Okay,

(01:18:49):
here it is. I think Lebron there's a lot of
power and as he should. You know, I think arguably
the greatest player of all times. You look at his
resume is flawless on and off. The thing is that
he's been been able to do on the court obviously spectacular,
but it's you know, it's more important the things that
he's been able to accomplish off the court. And that's
where you know, you get the utmost respect for me

(01:19:11):
from you know, it's not about what he's done on
the basketball court as a as a competitor. I enjoy
playing against me, You enjoy playing against the beasts, but
what he's done off the court, and you know, the
initiatives that he's been able to lead, And this is
just another example of that I have the utmost respect
for him, and hopefully he run for president one day.
Does Draymond come with his own theme music or what

(01:19:33):
was that? I think it's just the stuff they play
on there. Oh wow, Okay, that was ESPN's first take.
As we said, Rob, I think, I don't know if
you've ever heard me tell this story, but you know,
I did a lot of cover stories. I think I
did about six cover stories on Lebron for ESPN the magazine,

(01:19:54):
and for one of them, I was talking to the family.
You know, his story how in fifth grade he went
to live with the family of one of his best
friends for three years and it was a husband and
wife and the kids, and so he, the grandfather of
that family, went to pick Lebron and his friend up

(01:20:17):
from school one day. Lebron was in either six or
seventh grade, and the teacher, or not the teacher, the
principal of the school, came out met the grandfather you
know who was picking Lebron and his friend up and
said to the grandfather, this guy, this kid, meaning Lebron,

(01:20:38):
could be president one day. Now that just shows you,
you know, what type of impact obviously Lebron had made
on the principle. And I'll say this, and I'm not
trying to act like Lebron James is, you know Barack
Obama or some you know, some tremendous politician or statesman

(01:21:00):
or something like that. I'll just say this. I firmly
believe Rob and I've been told by those close to
him that at least at this point, he has no
intentions whatsoever of running for political office. So right now
this is just talk. I actually think Rob, if you

(01:21:22):
know what's the thirty five if ten fifteen years from now,
he ran for president, I think he could. I think
he would win. I really think he would. And I
think he'd be a good president, you know. I mean,
I again, he'd have to learn a lot of things,
but obviously a lot of his delegation and you know,
putting people in power to help you run the government.

(01:21:45):
So but I actually really think he could if he ran,
I think he could be president. I couldn't disagree with
you more. I don't think Lebron on any level is presidential.
And this and I'm not talking about the current guy
in the white hoy. I was about to say, like

(01:22:06):
the drama, I'm not talking about that because it's fine,
but but I just don't see him in that light.
I think lebron Um is He's done so many good things.
So I'm not trying. I don't even want to appear
like I'm tearing down his off the court stuff. But Chris,

(01:22:28):
he's he's uh political. He's active when it when it
suits him and when it works for him. The thing
in China, you could say whatever you want, it's not
I'll fight and the other corporations or whatever. But there
was you know, when when when he went after the
rockets GM for saying that he wear them more with

(01:22:48):
darnmore stand with democracy. I mean, like he said darnmore
didn't know what he was talking about and and all
this kind of suff I just didn't understand at all
what that meant to say that there are people fighting
for democracy in Hong Kong, and that's all the tweet
was that that this country's built on democracy here, so
you stand with other countries who are trying to fight

(01:23:09):
for their democracy. So he wasn't he want to know
part of that. And the same thing here Now, I'm
not saying that he had to be involved with the
Kyrie and he just wants to hoop and that's fine.
If Lebron was If this was last year and maybe
Lebron wasn't in the playoffs and the Lakers were no good,
would would it be a different story about finishing the
regular season. Uh, And this is his best last chance

(01:23:33):
to win. So to me, those are the things that
when I look at Lebron, I just that's what I'm saying.
I said it was. I said it was. That's just
me just talking about looking at at the situation. So
I'm saying I don't. I don't look at him in
that sense. Uh as as president, like he could be
president and people would follow his lead. Even some of

(01:23:56):
the stuff he's done other guys Jalen Rose opened up school.
Other athletes have done stuff like that, other athletes, and
not to the degree of him. So I give him
credit Chris with the college for a lot of ships, scholarships,
thousand kids can go to scholar and stuff like that.
But but other people have done stuff, maybe with not
who don't have all of his means, but they've done

(01:24:18):
it on their level to give back to the community
and stuff. So no, no question, that's all. But the
thing is all the things you said, none of that
would preclude him from bringing president, I said, in my mind,
but no, I'm giving you my opinion. You know you
would not whether or not you don't think he should be.

(01:24:39):
But I'm not even giving my opinion. Yeah, I'm my opinion.
I don't I don't look at him that way. He's
he's popular enough, he's respected enough. He's polarizing today, a
lot of a lot of most politicians are polarizing, especially
in this day and age. You know, he's got a family,
a strong family life. Um, he he's obviously done things

(01:25:01):
in the business world, he's done things in the public sector.
Like I just think he really and I might be wrong,
but when I look at Ronald Reagan, who was an actor,
when I look at Donald Trump, you know, who was
basically a reality TV star, and you know, obviously he's
rich and wealthy. But I mean, I really think that

(01:25:22):
he has enough respect from people where he could do it.
But let me ask you this, do you think because
I've had this discussion with a lot of people, because
Lebron obviously, as you mentioned, has done tremendous things off
the court, and now he's got the more than a
vote campaign and he and Maverick Carter are starting another

(01:25:45):
entertainment company to make movies and things that are you know,
featuring you know, people that have been disenfranchised and you know,
people of color who haven't had that opportunity to tell
their story. So they're really still doing a lot of
great things. Do you think because I've talked to a
number of people who want to put Lebron's off the

(01:26:08):
court stuff off the court achievements, accomplishments, goodwill and all
that in the goat conversation. They say, well, look, Muhammad
Ali lost five fights, but yet he's viewed as the
goat of boxing. So a lot of it's because he
didn't go to Vietnam and the things he stood for.
It's not just in the ring, and they want to

(01:26:29):
apply that to Lebron. I refuse to. I always said,
when I talk about Jordan being better than Lebron, it
is a basketball thing for me. I don't bring in
all the off the court stuff. Where are you at
on that? Yeah? I think that's just they look at
Lebron where he is. They know because he hasn't won
enough and the guy ahead of him was perfect, you

(01:26:54):
know what I mean, in the finals, So you got
to try to look for other ways to try to
elevate him because they know they can't do it with
just the basketball stuff alone, so now they look for
something else. I'm with you, I just it's when you're
talking about who was the greatest player basketball player of
all time? The other stuff is nice, Chris, and it

(01:27:14):
can you know, you can tell a nice story about you,
but that's not the deciding fact that there are a
lot of nice people and people have done great things
and whatnot. Should they put you in the Hall of
Fame because you were a nice guy and you talk
to everybody, and your boy kids sneakers and gave out
a couple of scholarships. Do you know what I'm saying.
I don't buy that. I just think that that's a

(01:27:35):
that's that's just the way of trying to build up
Lebron because he's lacking in the basketball. Yeah, and that's
what it is. Yeah, I would tend to agree with that.
And because look, and you can make an argument. You
and I don't agree. I think most people don't agree.
But you can make an argument for Lebron as the

(01:27:56):
go on the court. But Alie, for those that want
to just say it's off the court stuff too. Now,
I mean, you can make that same argument for Ali
is just boxing wise, because we know he lost three
years probably would have been the best three years of
his career, you know, and then when he comes back,
he's rusty and really wasn't as great as he was.

(01:28:18):
He wasn't the same fighter. But his losses, I mean,
he's old. When he lost to Trevor berbick Old, when
he lost to uh Larry Holmes. You know, he lost
to U Joe Frazier his first loss when he was rusty,
and his second or third fight back. And the other
thing Chris too is you know, like um, when you

(01:28:42):
look at him, he fought all the guys. He wasn't
ducking people. So even when you have some losses and
you got you know, uh, you got uh Mayweather who's undefeated,
but you go, well, well, who did he be eight
years to fight manny? Do you know what I mean?
So people they discount that, they say, back then they

(01:29:03):
had to fight to make money, Chris, no gazillion dollars
TV deals. They had to fight the guys who were
in front of them. And that's why I think Ali
gets so much respect because who did he duck? He
didn't duck anybody. He fought everybody. He fought everybody who
was there. And that's why I still think that that

(01:29:25):
people don't get. No one's saying you have to be perfect.
And even a guy who never Rocky Marciano guys never
lost nobody then braced them because he fought a lot
of ten cans and cupcakes. Chris right, everybody knows what's
to him in the Gold conversation. And to be honest,
boxing historians, why we all acknowledge Floyd is an all
time great No, I don't know many, if any, that

(01:29:48):
would say he's the greatest fighter of all time. I mean,
I just so you're right, Like in boxing, I mean, heck,
it's your your courage to fight whoever's in front of you,
you know, and see if you can overcome. And that's
what Ali did say. And yeah, the guts to come back.
A lot of guys can't come back. You know. It

(01:30:08):
wants that that air of invincibility is broken. You know
what last thing? Do you think Lebron could ever get
to a point or maybe eventually will get to a
point where his off the court stuff overshadows his playing career. Now,
I'll say, if he were to ever run for president

(01:30:29):
and obviously win it, then obviously that would overshadow his
playing career. But do you think just be forget that,
just the stuff he's doing otherwise, business wise, politically, whatever
that may be, you think he might overshadow because he's
not going away? No, what I mean, when he's not

(01:30:50):
going away, I don't think that's gonna I don't. I
don't think so. I mean, you can look at Michael Jordan,
where he is financially with the Jordan brand, what he's
been able to do. He's a player who owns a team,
all the obstacles that he has knocked down in front
of him, and when people look at him as successful
as he is off the court, Chris, it's about how

(01:31:12):
great he was as a player. That's how great. So
I'm just not convinced that unless, like you say, unless
I'm misreading this and he becomes president. Other than that,
I really don't see what else with the media company,
what else he really could do that would change and
put that ahead of him right him as a basketball player,

(01:31:36):
unless he becomes president Michael Jordan, Is that I do?
Right right now? I agree with that, all right, you're
turning away in eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox
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Will should Lebron's off the court activism and just business success?
Should that factor into the gold conversation? This is I've

(01:31:59):
had this discussion with many people. They think it should.
Isaiah Thomas, rob our friend. He said he's caused Lebron
the goat because of what he's done off the court.
So what do you think should it factor in the
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couple of Fox Sportsman, Man, it's been a while, brother,

(01:33:22):
Hey man, hey, just keep a low profile man. They
out of trouble that way. Let me let me say this, Chris,
for me personally, Lebron already passed Michael Jordan as far
as off the court is concerned, because we we we
that's not even debatable, right right, all, I think Lebron,

(01:33:46):
But I think Lebron has a chance to be in
a respected class of the Jim Brown's, the Oscar Robinsons,
the Bill Bradley to queen up, I think he's already
class right men that I respect more than Michael Jordan's
and Michael Jordan the wait, you talk about impact or
Lebron athletes are speaking up the day because Lebron gives
them coverage. Michael didn't give that coverage to Craig Hodgers

(01:34:08):
when Craig Hodgens went to him and Magic and said, hey,
I need your voice, And Michael was the biggest voice
on the playmate. Michael was bigger than the president. If
if if a Jesse Hims type candidate ran in the
Akron Ohio, Lebron James would support Harve Began. He wouldn't
take us twenty years later to find out that Republicans
buy shoes too, wasn't a myth. But but yeah, but

(01:34:33):
we're talking about the goat and and and Michael by far,
Michael still we agree with you what I agree with
you there. I'm just saying when you when we say
who's the goat in basketball? Do you you sound like
you do weigh in all the other stuff. You don't.

(01:34:55):
I'm actually old enough to actually know that if we
wouldn't really want to talk about goat conversation, it should
be Kareem he has the greatest basketball. No, that's not
what we're talking about. You can make a strong argument
against Kareem too, because you freed him up in the eighties. Yes,
and you've made the point during his NBA career before

(01:35:16):
Magic got there and we right juvenated it. Wasn't that pretty?
So let's let's not get crazy wins. And if you're
talking about just a basketball player, I'm with you. If
you talking about high school, college and the pros, okay,
but but don't say, uh, NBA, I'm not buying it.
Max and Georgia, you're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. Hey, good eating Fellas. What's happened to Max? Hey, guys,

(01:35:40):
this is a good question. But I think it's pretty
simple for me. I think he's already shown he's not
um that person. I think he really made a huge
mistake this year when he showed kind of how he
felt about basic human rights, how he felt about the
bottom dollar. I was a little bit offended he didn't
call out Adam Over and any other NBA owners for

(01:36:02):
what they haven't haven't done this year with everything going
on from China to today, I think he's uh too
much passive aggressive on Twitter. We already kind of have
a Twitter president. I don't think we want to see
that again. Yeah, I think his personal life could be
highlighted and kind of brought to a light that maybe
he would not want to be seen good and bad.
I think it would be if he was in public,
in the public high life, right, right, and I don't

(01:36:24):
think he's able to handle that. And lastly, Chris, do
you think in a crisis situation of national security, is
he going to be able to rely on Kyrie or
Ray Allen to save him? Oh? God, you can push
to set back. You gotta get in, You gotta get
in for six minutes. You don't forbidden, No, forbidden to been.

(01:36:51):
Max has probably called this show fifty something times, and
every single time he agrees with you, absolutely forbidden. He
should be able to call him minute. No, I didn't
need you today. But I'm just saying that I don't
even know how these callers were off today. But here's
here's what I'll say. Right, here's the one thing I'll say.

(01:37:11):
And you know we were both critical of him for
the Hong Kong thing. I did think that was an opportunity.
That was his ALI moment. That was Chris, you know,
that was he would have been like, he could have
spoke and look, in fairness, I leave fought in some
places with dictators. The rumble in the jungle is I
here Mabuto sesse Suko was an African dictator. You know

(01:37:34):
what I mean? I think, you know, nobody's got something
perfect and but but there was there was that that
being that guy Chris All. It was about the totally agree.
But here's here's the one thing. And I again, y'all
know I was critical of him. The one thing I'll
say though, is virtually nobody in America, you know, as

(01:37:59):
far as the politicians and the businessmen, they're all cowtowing
to China. All the businesses in America that go over
there and do business with China, they're all doing what
Lebron James did. They're turning the blind eye so they
make that money. So I'm just saying, but pass to
these corporations, I you know, I mean, expect one individual

(01:38:21):
to step up. Now, it would have been great. He
would have been his Ali moment. Okay, that's what I'm saying, right,
because he would have separated himself from ever Lebron is
no real zeal They're making sneakers over there, and he's
talking about human rights. Okay. He would have become the
hero not only of many you know, kids in America,
but you're talking about people all over the world. All

(01:38:44):
the impoverished, oppressed people in the world. Would have been
having Lebron James name on their mouth. There's no doubt
about it. So how about Darren and Idaho. You're on
the couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Darren? Hey,
fella's love lessend your show? Yeah, hey, here's here. Here's
my point. Okay, Look, whatever Lebron does off the field

(01:39:08):
or off to excuse me, off the court is like
a bargain to us because he doesn't know anybody anything,
he doesn't have to do anything, So whatever he does,
that's just extra I sing on the cake for us
as far as yeah, yeah, it's as far as being
a go oh my god, how can I I'm old

(01:39:30):
enough to have watched Michael Jordan his whole entire career,
and you got to know that if you're a businessman
and you know now or new then what you might
know now, you would take Lebron over Jordan all day
long to build your franchise, because Jordan had to do
it with players that in this day and age would
be too expensive. And Lebron doesn't need that expensive players

(01:39:55):
to get you to He's always had max guys win
him anyone here. I do think I do think that. No,
I mean Anthony Davis Kyrie Irving, Dwayne chose the top
of the top ten players in the league. Right, thanks

(01:40:18):
for the call. Yeah, let's go to Andrea and Massachusetts.
You're on the couple of Fox Sports readio. Let's squeeze
Andre in. Yeah, how you doing, guys, Thanks for taking
my call. Let's Lebron's philanthropic work, all of his community
service awards. That doesn't factor into the goat conversation, not one.
I old. Okay, he wants to climb Mount Olympus and
get at Michael Jordan's gonna have to win some championships

(01:40:39):
on the court, also get some all time records, namely
the leading all time score. To the point about Lebron's
political aspirations, he absolutely could run for and be successful
for president, and I'll tell you why. First of all,
he can be governor of California the Fair Pay to
Play Act, which was signed on his show with Gavin Newsom.
We already have a track record of celebrities being governor
of California. I eat sports nager he secures that. Okay,

(01:41:02):
then he's one step away from the presidency if he
wants to be a politician and the powerbroker. He had
established himself and build cup the infrastructure if he wants
you to do it. You mentioned Ronald Reagan, who was
an actor celebrity similar background to Lebron Good call, dre
That was a good call, good job. All right. We
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bron Rick, what's happening? I'm just surprised if you guys
didn't have some sort of a sound effect on the board.
As a response to that, Orlando Magic Judge disappointed. He

(01:42:13):
knew it. We knew when you needed him exactly exactly Rick, Rick,
we we have been debating. We debated today Vince Carter.
Is he a Hall of Famer or is he not?
Where you stand, you don't have to say, you answer

(01:42:35):
the question right there, answer he's not. He's not a
first ballot. I don't. I don't consider him a first ballot,
but I is he You have to be distinctive, you
have to be distinguished in some way, shape or form.
To me, Vince Carter, whether it's in game or exhibition,

(01:42:55):
is the best dunker I've ever seen in the game.
If you're going strictly by his resume and accomplishments as
a player, he would be borderline probably on the outside
looking in. But when I consider what he meant as
far as just that that aspect of the game, I'm

(01:43:18):
gonna it's hard. Let's let me flip it around. It's
hard for me to imagine the Hall of the Basketball
Hall of Fame not having Vince Carter in it, considering
the kind of performer that he was. I agree, Rick,
I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. I think
that you know, and especially when you look at the
pro basketball, there's a lot of questionable people and the

(01:43:42):
longevity and Tracy McGrady at yeah, the whole fame thing.
Ch a great player, But I think Vince had a
better career than Chris Mullin. I just I think it's
the best. Well, but you take Molly, yeah, because on

(01:44:05):
that Olympic team in two thousand. Well, and you consider
it's it's not the NBA Hall of Famous, get it.
So you take the collegiate career into consideration. And so
but here's the thing, it's it is it is. Then
this is a difficulty with the Basketball Hall of Fame.
It's because it's taking international, it's taking women, it's taking referees,

(01:44:28):
it takes it takes everybody. So you don't have the
same baseline, uh, the ability to use the same baseline
as you do. I mean, the baseball guys have it easy, right.
It really comes down to a lot of numbers, and
it can be really cut and dried. And I would
say that if the NBA Hall of Fame could be

(01:44:48):
the same way, if it was the NBA Hall of Fame.
But because it's the Basketball Hall of Fame, there is
extenuating circumstances, like for me, h, you look just at
the track record of of Yao Ming Uh you'd say, okay,
he would pretty good. But but but is he a

(01:45:10):
Hall of Famers? Did he get in first ballot? Like you,
probably you'd have to wait on him. I don't. Yeah,
just on this play impact, but his impact internationally and
what he meant bringing the game of basketball, what he
symbolized for China and the world globally, and what he
did as an ambassador between the two countries. I look

(01:45:33):
at it and I go, yes, he like he was
such a unique figure in the history of basketball that
I have to put him in there. And that's the
same logic or thinking that I have when I say
that Vince Carter should be into rig Where are you?
I don't know if you're on the call today the
league and the players Association had I got on there,

(01:45:55):
and they're obviously full speed ahead. Yes, uh, you know
the season? Um, do you think this is a bad idea?
Obviously you see the cases spiking, especially in Florida? Or
are you fine with with this? My concern certainly is
location and being in Florida and their ability to maintain

(01:46:15):
the bubble, not with the Maybe I'm being naive in
terms of with the players, but it has more to
do with you have a certain number of hotel workers
that have to come in and out and personnel to
be able to run the hotels and do whatnot. And
and my concern is that you're going to get some
traffic there. And again, it's not even with the players.

(01:46:35):
It's more with you know, sixty nine year old Mike
D'Antoni or sixty five year old Alvin Gentry. And I'm
you know, we're not even looking at assistant coaches and
and some of the other personnel that that that are
in their in their sixties late fifties. So um, that
is my concern. But I will say I'm I am

(01:46:56):
a realist. And in order for us to have of
next season, they have to finish this season. That's just
the reality of it. And I'm not putting a whole
lot of weight into I'm not worried about asterisks. I'm
not worried about quality play, I'm not worried about I'm
not worried about anything because I know that just for
the league to function, to satisfy their broadcast partners, to

(01:47:20):
have the salary cap looks something like I mean, short
of having to come back and rework the entire setup,
they've got to finish this season. I just it's it's
it's a business proposition, and so Adam is doing everything
that he possibly can to make it as safe as possible.
And as he said on the call today, you know

(01:47:40):
there's they're not going to get to one hundred percent.
But I got to believe that what with sixteen was
its sixteen players that test is positive, that yes, they
got to be doing handsprings. I gotta tell you, the
gms that I talked to earlier in the week, they
were like and some that were optimistic from the very beginning,

(01:48:02):
they're like, we're playing. You know, before anybody was really
buying into that. I think we're going to have a season.
We're going to play. And one of them said to
me it was a day before yesterday with the test,
before the test results came in. I said, so, you know, what,
how are you approaching this? And he goes, you know,
when you guys get back to playing, and he said,

(01:48:23):
if we play. I was like, wait a minute, what
it's like he was expecting like this out of a
lanche of positive tests. And the gms were on a
call with Adam saying, what's the number of positive tests
that we would have to have for us to say
we're going to rethink this and maybe we're not going
to start. That's what they were thinking. And they thought

(01:48:43):
it was going to be a number. You know, he
didn't give me a number, but I dare say they
probably thought one out of three it's going to test positive.
I would have thought about him undred. Well. Last thing
for me, m ab we Bradley not being with the Lakers.
How big of a blow is that Lebron and the Lakers?
It hurts? It hurts. I mean they you don't think

(01:49:07):
of Avery Bradley as being all of that, but he
was a lot of what they needed, which was a
two way player, which was a defensive perimeter player. What
he obviously had moved into the starting lineup. I don't
know what Rajon Rondo's going to be when he gets back,
but uh, it's going to be interesting. I mean, this

(01:49:29):
is this is really going to be a physiology test,
right because the Lakers have a lot of old bodies
and Rajon Rondo, Danny Green and h and Lebron who
have to get back up to speed and get back
up to speed quickly. And the question is going to
be are the young guns going to get there faster
or are the old heads? And what of the old

(01:49:50):
heads has has their level of experience? Have they stayed
in better shape knowing having been through through a few
lockouts and whatnot, that you can't afford to let it
get too far away from you or you're gonna have
trouble getting back. I don't have the answer to that,
but I look, I've never thought that the Lakers, they
were never the favorite. In my mind. The Clippers have

(01:50:12):
more topped top side talent, and they have more depth.
And I just even on a restart, I favored the
Clippers more than the Lakers. So in my mind, Avery Bradley,
I thought he was an important cog and I you know,
if j R. Smith comes in, that's the best available.
But I don't think he can do for you what

(01:50:34):
Avery Bradley could, or they would have signed j R.
Smith a year ago. Good stuff, Rick, we appreciate, Thank you,
be safe, You gotta Fellasi brother Peace more I Couple
coming your way. Fox Sports Radio keep it locked. Be
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(01:50:56):
four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
heart rate your yo, you you you all. Casey and
the Sunshine Band the night I'll tell you the CB.
I will go back and dance there if I could.
What Yo? They were dope Casey and the Sunshine Band.
Oh yeah no there could he look you look a

(01:51:17):
little like Casey Alex with him saying you know you
don't deny you right see you see the uh the resemblance.
They had a lot of hits, Casey and the Sunshine.
Oh they were great. Tell uh that's the way I
huh huh, I like it now. They were they were awesome.
They were awesome. All right. Um that was disco era Chris. Yep.

(01:51:40):
Guess who's having fun again? Bad news for you, by
the way. Oh okay, who's that? Tom Brady? Okay having fun?
Do that? No Tom can. And he's having fun because
he knows that he just held up the Tampa Bay
Bucks for all that money to pay an old man
to come down there. He was off years ago. He

(01:52:03):
was years ago when he won. Idiots gave me all
this money, and they think when he threw no touchdowns
in the Super Bowl. Money and all I'm knowing that's laughing,
laughing all the way to the bank, laughing at them. Yeah,
I'd be having a good time too if I got
paid when I should be getting my retirement and my
pension and my Social Security. It is amazing how the

(01:52:27):
very things that you defend Aaron Rodgers for you ripped
Tom Brady for the very things. What are you talking
very Why do you always have to bring up Aaron
You're talking about Brady when you were talking about earlier,
you brought up by Aaron Rodgers earlier. Quit has weapons galore.

(01:52:51):
They are going to be a problem. Rod Parker said,
that's what you about. The truck told me just like
they told me about Dak Prescott. Nothing going to the
super Bowl. Remember that Prescott told me too. Why are
you going there? Because like like like you picked somebody better.

(01:53:12):
You picked the freaking Chargers. Dude, pick relax, you pick
up Dak Prescott going to the super Bowl. You are
getting in the Chargers. You picked the Steelers to go
to the playoffs. I told you they weren't gonna make
the playoffs. You also picked you picked the Chargers. Who
are about pick the wind? Who'd you pick the win
the Super Bowl? Chris you picked the voices on did you?

(01:53:34):
I picked the wind the Rod Parker picked the obvious.
I picked the winner, and it was Kansas City. If
it was obvious, why didn't you pick them? Anybody could
pick just because you want to make a hot tape.
I don't. I don't think. Okay, so that's your emo. Okay,
that makes a lot of So I don't pick the
you just want to hop. That's why when I picked
the Rod, I was because I picked if I when

(01:53:57):
I picked the Washington Nationals, I I can stick my
chests out because nobody picked them. I'm that guy. I'm
the poop poo king. I'm not the uh take king
you need? You are? You need the all waves so
much rum them. You need to stop having so much
pride in the nickname poop. I'm the poopoo they called me.

(01:54:21):
If I was walking down the street and somebody called
me the poopoo king, I smack him in the face.
How the fighting words and you're walking around like it's
a badge of honors, KINGO. When we get off the air,
I'm gonna translate that for yard. You're a poopoo head,

(01:54:42):
Rod Parker. I am about what I want six minutes today,
play that music cloud, Alex, I want six minutes. Yeah.
We had two of my cards. We had two experts
on the show Man. They read the book. It was
a bom with me. You back the Dad or the

(01:55:03):
Basketball King? I think the man you were Dad. They
knew I was waiting. Oh no, they knew what Parker
left you two weeks in a row. Talk about about
relaxed brother. I swept you like you were freaking Jerry Coy,
old News, old Jews. Stick at your treating like like

(01:55:28):
uh uh Floyd Patterson and I'm cascious, Clay. You don't
want none of this poop poo king. You know you're
happy I'm back. That's why you're yelling. It is the
couple of folks. Have a great weekend. We'll be back
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