August 14, 2020 • 29 mins
It's The Best Of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob discuss if the additions of Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving to an already impressive Brooklyn Nets nucleus would make them the favorites to win the NBA championship in 2021, debate if Gregg Popovich is really one of the greateset coaches in NBA history or not, and explain why Michael Irvin is setting Dallas Cowboys fans up for disappointment by comparing the addition of CeeDee Lamb to the Golden State Warriors getting Kevin Durant.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of The Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. You watched it.
I watched it. Everybody interested in basketball watched it last night,
and I know, look, they battled. It was there. They're
fortunate to get out of that, right. The Portland Trailblazers,
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Oh oh, they could have lost that game easily last night.
And let's had a chance at the end. Lavert, Chris
Craire cares Lavert, who is nice? He is He had
thirty seven yep, and he decided to do a step
back jumper where he was getting to the basket time
and time, especially in the fourth quarter. I was just right.
I was surprised by that because to me, they would
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either had to foul him or he would have made
a basket. Chris, especially with CJ him right. CJ did
a good job obviously smaller, but he did a good
job of kind of standing in front of Lavert. But yeah,
you can spend move You got the height on him,
you know what I mean, you can get you can
get your shot off into Surprised that that was the shot.
I know Reggie Miller didn't have an issue with it,
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but I just thought he was getting to the paint
and the paint and the bat was he was. I
think this is what happened though, Rob. I think had
it been because they were in the playoffs already, they
were playing for nothing, which is impressive because they went
all out. You know, they didn't play like they didn't
have anything on the line. But had they had something
on the line, like had they you know, had to
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win the getting the playoffs or was it a playoff game,
I think they probably called time out right out and
set up a play or I do think Lavert probably
goes to the whole uh and tries to get a
better shot. I think, you know, they were playing with
house money, you know what I mean, So they just
did what they did. Yeah. Yeah, but but great game
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and Damian Lillard. Had they lost, he look, he would
have got some criticism. There's no doubt. Of course I
was on with skipping shann and they skipped. Definitely would
have criticized him, But you really, I don't know how
you could really find fault with what he did. Even
had they lost, well, it would be right. It would
just be that that no matter he put up all
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these points and they still have still wasn't enough, you
know what I mean? That would have been like everybody said,
like all the Portland's gonna upset the Lakers. They don't
want Sad make the playoffs, you, I mean, right right?
And look, I mean I look, I don't think there's
no way Memphis beats them too straight. I don't think
although Memphis could win tomorrow, they could. You think they
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could beat them too straight? I think Memphis, remember they
got to win too straight. Yeah, I agree, I'm picking Portland,
but I agree with you. I would not be surprised
in the least bit if Memphis wins tomorrow, especially the
way Portland looked last night. Right, Yeah, but I would.
I don't remember, Memphis has to beat them twice as
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the nine seed, whereas Portland's just gotta beat them once.
So I expect Portland to be there with La and
Rob you and I have been on the same page
on this, and I don't look Friend of the Show Barkley,
Charles Barkley, I don't know what he's thinking. He's got Portland,
I think going to the finals in the Western Conference finals, right,
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and yeah, but that was just because you remember that
side of the bracket was was weak. But Greg Anthony,
who I worked with a lot at h the old
Network and had great times with him, he also picked
them to beat the Lakers. There's a few others, and
I just don't see it. Rob. They played absolutely no defense.
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I think I could go out there and get five
points against them, and again, all right, maybe let's not
get crazy. You just have to I think getting up
the court two or three times, we're wearing me out
at this stage. But no, they played no defense. And
Carris Leavert, as good as he is, he ain't Lebron James,
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nor is he Anthony Davis. And they made Carris LeVert
look like a future Hall of Fame. Oh yeah, So
I just can't see them. Stop in LA four times,
four times they'll get it. I think they'll get a
couple of games, right, Yeah, I don't see it. I
know everybody that's the upset special all the matchup. I
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keep hearing all these basketball people, especially on social media,
the fans, oh yeah, you know. And I don't know
if it's just that they want Lebron to lose or
they didn't really think. Do you know what I'm saying
to the moment you say it all the time. I mean,
I think the Lakers haven't looked good in the bubble.
If this was the whole year, then yeah, you would
think the Blazers were better. You think a lot of
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teams were better. But this is just I mean, the
Clippers haven't won much, the Bucks haven't won much, but
that went over Denver was good for the Clippers. I think, yeah, yeah,
But I'm just saying, like, you know what I mean,
you can't. I don't think you can overreact to the bubble,
is what I'm saying. But you know, we'll see. But
you were impressed with the Nets. I am impressed. Uh,
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just that they just keep for whatever reason. You know,
they're missing two big stars from injury, k D and
kind that right, Spencer DINWITTI, and they just keep playing
and and and I really believe and Chris when they
add those two pieces next year, watch out East and
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watch out NBA Finals because I like what they have
put together. I know a lot of players roles are
gonna change when you add two dynamic, big time stars together.
But if they can get people to buy in too
as to what they are, what they already do, everybody
moves back to slots, you know, strengthen the bench, have
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guys who can come in. They they can score a
lot of the Nets. And I think, and I said
this after they got Kywe and Kyd and after Paul
George and Kawhi went to the Lakers, I mean the Clippers.
I said it, and I think it's documented on my Twitter,
but I said, Clippers win the championship in twenty twenty
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and the Nets win it in twenty twenty one. And
now I'm gonna stick with that because I think that
team adding two stars Chris is going to be a problem.
Look on paper, they look like the best team in
the East. On paper that I would take them over Milwaukee.
Boston's good. They got more. You know, They've got a
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nice group of four guys that are, you know, close
to all star level. Toronto obviously is tough, but let's
star who in the East. Rob's gotten to nobody legitimate,
you know, I would say Durant's obviously a superstar, and
Kyrie is right there, and all two guys who have
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won championships. I mean, when you add all that to
the mix of been there, done that, it's hard. It's
hard to not look at them and not think, if
those guys are healthy, Chris, that they're going to be
in the championship mix. Well, I'll say this if they
win it, and this should be I mean, they should
be motivated anyway, and I'm sure they are. But something
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robbed for both of them, even though they've won championships.
What it would do for each of their legacies, each
of them. Durant and in the s we respect him.
He was the best player in Golden State. He won
two rings. But you know we know the deal, right,
But if he wins in Brooklyn, who hasn't won a
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championship before, who he is the number one guy, There's
no doubt about it, that takes his legacy to a
whole nother level. And then for Kyrie, even though he
hit arguably the biggest shot in NBA history, he was
the second guy. And so if he wins with Durant.
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I think that changes a ton for Kyrie too, And
it's not outside of the realm of possibility that even
though Durant's a better player, Kyrie could be the one
to lead them in the finals or throughout the playoffs,
you know what I mean. Yeah, No, it's it's big
for both and I think they'll have a golden opportunity
because that that cupboard is not bad. They have some
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good players people might not know about, but you add
that to the mix, and then depending on who's hired
as coach, not that that really matters that much, Chris,
not a lot, because I think it's a question mark.
I think they got some question marks. I'm not as
certain as you. I don't I right now, I would
say they don't win the championship next year. They could
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win the East if everything works out, but I still
would think the Clippers would be better. But I'm not
so sure that. And don't get me wrong, the Clippers
winning a championship this year, I don't know if it's
going to be back to back or anything like that.
You know, I know how difficult it is, and that's
why it's not that they're going away, Chris, or they
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might not win the year after or something. But you
got two guys who have been out, especially Kevin Durant,
who has something to prove. I just think that it
could it could be set up for the next the
year after they got they got questions because Kyrie obviously
we know his health. His health is an issue, you know,
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and it has been most of his career. To be honest,
he really was at his best as far as health
wise with Lebron, and I don't think that was a coincidence.
I think Lebron's pushing him, setting an example for him,
and I think that that's one reason he was so healthy.
But you know, this year twenty games, last year sixty seven,
which is bad year before that sixty you know, so generally,
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and even his first two years in Cleveland fifty one
and fifty nine. So what's Kyrie's health gonna be? Like
k D I think he'll come back fine, but you know,
we gotta see him first. Who's the coach? And then
you mentioned it earlier, the roles, Like I think there's
a little bit of a difference between the Clippers just
bringing in Kawuhi and Paul George and the Nets because
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Lou the Clippers only had one big score and that
was Lou Williams, and he was a guy off the bench,
and he was kind of known as you know, I'm
a bench guy. I'm a six man and that's what
I do. So it was easy to see you could
drop these two stars in there, whereas with the nets,
you know, Spencer didn't win. He's been a big score.
Levert's not a star, but he's been a big scorer
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you know at times, and so will that. I'm not
saying they won't, but will they accept those lesser roles,
and it is their game even suited to accept the
lesser role, Like Joe Harris' game has suited for a
lesser role. I think he's a keeper rob. They gotta
keep it. If you can catch and shoot, you know
what I mean, that's the type of guy they're going
to need. Would you bring a Laverde or din Witty
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and then what he's been off the bench, like, you know,
one of those guys could easily be a Lou Williams.
So it's just a matter. They got to work these
things out. But the only painting reason I think they're
gonna be stacked that they'll work it out is because
then want anything the other way. I mean that they've played,
they've made the playoffs like eight seven seeds, you know
what I mean. It's not like they've been running away
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on the won the division. Without those guys, then I
think there would be some pushback. So I think if
everybody buys in, they can have a chance to win.
I think Jared Allen's gonna be a nice fit with
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just floored me and I couldn't disagree more. But go ahead,
make a statement and back it up, yeah before we
get there, because I don't want people to think that
I think that he's a bomb and he can't coach
or anything like that. But sometimes I think in coaching,
you got to take a look at where you are,
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the circumstance and situation you're in, the players you have,
and is it you or is it them? Or how
much of it is you? And you know, for me
popping them never being able Chris to win back to
back or string together a couple of championships or three
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in a row or something to put them there. That
always bothered me, considering the talent and where and like
all the success that they've had. But when I always
look at two coaches and this is just me. Pat
Riley earned my respect, not for what he did with
the Lakers, but when he took over the Knicks and
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they didn't win a championship Chris in New York, but
he trans over that. Can't gloss over that, No, I'm
just I'm they didn't win a championship, but I remember
what he did, how he altered his style of coaching
from what he was used to rolling the balls out
with the Lakers to all of a sudden changing into
a gritty like Detroit Pistons kind of physical Oakley, you know,
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Anthony Mason kind of guy. This is all just you know,
it's not based on just winning championships. Anybody. I'm not
gonna sit here and say he's not gonna make the
Hall of Fame or I don't think he's a good coach.
I'm just talking about the way I view it. Are
you saying he you don't consider him an all time. Great. No,
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I don't, and not because I think he doesn't can't coach.
I think he was in a think he was in
a great situation and circumstance, and I think that had
a lot to do with it when you have an
anchor like Tim Duncan for that many years and you know,
and the perfect situation. And he had obviously David Robinson
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before that. But anyway, the other guy is Bill Parcels.
Bill Parcels won two Super Bowls with the Giants, but
Bill Parcels didn't went on. He coached to Dallas, but
I thought his best coaching job was with the New
York Jets. Again. They got to the a FC Championship game,
if I remember correctly. The Jets were one in fifteen
or two and fourteen two and fourteen when Bill Parcels
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took over from Rich coach tight turned the team around somehow, Chris,
and two years later they were in the AFC Championship
Game at Denver, leading at the half. They wind up losing.
Vinnie Testaverdy got hurt the next year and everything fell apart,
but they were on their way. And I don't know
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when it comes to Pop, I think he's I think
he's mostly a victim of circumstance and benefactor exactly right,
and that's worked for him. I'm not I don't want
people to sit here and say I think he can't coach,
or he's bad, or he's not a Hall of Famer.
When you win five out of six championships and all
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the other stuff you talk about. But for me, there's
something missing. And I'm just saying, maybe it's because it's
only been at one place. Chris and other great coaches
have gone elsewhere, you know what I mean, and proven
that it's not. It wasn't just in that circumstance, And
then you could see people, you know what I mean,
Like like Bill Parcels took the Patriots Chris to the
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Super Bowl. They lost. Bill Parcels turned the Cowboys around.
They didn't win anything. Bill Parcels turned the Jets around.
They didn't win anything, you know what I mean. But
but I could look at him and say, everywhere he went,
I always look at Larry Brown that way. Larry Brown
won the championship with the Pistons. I think he's the
best basketball coach I've ever seen. Uh And the only
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place he really failed at was the Knicks. That thing
just didn't work out. But Chris, if you look at
what he was able to do everywhere he went, I
would take Larry Brown over Pop any day. I just would.
I completely disagree. Um. I think Greg Popovich is not
only an all time great coach, but he's arguably the
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greatest basketball coach in NBA history. I think it's clearly
between him and Phil Jackson. And here's why I say.
And I don't know how deep your all time great
list goes, but my thing is, I don't think there's
any way possible you can leave Pop off the all
time great list because in basketball, who would that lead?
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If if the crowd that yeah, let me say so
so that you understand what I'm saying. I get all that. Actively.
I don't want yeah, I don't want people say that
he's not. You're saying he's a good coach, probably a
really good coach, but you are saying he's not an
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all time great in your book. I'm telling you, if
I had a choice of Larry Brown and Greg Popovich,
I would take Larry Brown. Give Larry Brown the talent
that he had, they win multiple championships. They probably would
have won more than five and twenty five years. I
really believe that. And I know he was an assistant
under Larry Brown Chris in San Antonio, Right, wasn't Larry
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And Larry couldn't have stayed anywhere that long? No, No,
I get it, he's got in the contract, he's he's
looking for the next job. No, he's a drama queen.
But that's the one guy I think. Look, Larry's a
good coach. There's no way I put him ahead of
pop because Larry, I mean as as and that what
he did with the Sixers was great, you know, with
Alan Iris and as far as getting him to the finals,
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obviously they didn't win it. And what he did with
Detroit was great when he won it. He's only coach
to have won it in college and the NBA. I
believe that's the fact, right, Um, yeah, the only one
which is mind boggling, which has been But he's one
of the I mean, Popovich never coached in division. I'm
just saying, No, I'm talking about a guy. To us,
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it's just weird that nobody else was able to do
it has done it. But Larry uh had some massive failures.
I mean, like you said, New York Yeah, it looked
like he didn't know how to coach in New York.
I mean, that was just it was just, yeah, he
was starting dudes based on they were from the town
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they were playing in. You know, they were if they
played the Pistons Old So and Soli from Michigan, we'll
start him now. I mean it was a mess. And
then what he did with the Olympic team in two
thousand and four when he wouldn't play Lebron and Carmelo
Anthony and and they had Duncan and Audi, I mean,
and they're losing the Puerto Rico. It was terrible. And
then he was fired in San Antonio. It went south
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in Indiana, they bring in Larry Bird and they get
to the finals right away. Like so, Larry had as
great as he was, and he's a legit Hall of Famer,
but he had some serious missteps. And then if you
want to say what Pop had Duncan, then you're the
Duncan was the hub. There's no if sarahs or butts
about that, but I would then I would say, okay, well,
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Phil Jackson, always have Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen or
Shock and Kobe or Kobe. Some people dismissed without him,
some people dismissed Phil. It's impossible to dismiss him. No,
he's got eleven championship. No, I'm just talking about it
and those guys, and the thing is robbed. Those guys
never won it without Phil. That's maybe what what's I
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don't think it saves Phil because I think he's legitimately
great in his own right. But for those that would
want to, you know, belittle what his success, I think
they'd have to answer. Okay, well, then why didn't Michael
Jordan ever win the championship with anybody else? Or Shock?
He won it with Riley and Duwayne Wade, but Kobe,
Shock and Kobe together never won it without anybody, and
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Kobe never want it without feel So that's feels thing.
But rob, if there's not been a coach like if
the Criterias, you had to win it without these superstars
or you know, the a guy that was an all
time great, then who who would be an all time
great coach? Larry Brown? Okay, you want to say he
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took an I'm not great team, No, I just you
know what, I'm obviously never won it without magic and
Kareem and when he You're right, he went to New York,
made him a good team. He did have Patrick you
ain't to build around, and they never won it. But
also but he also changed his coaching style, which is
what I was impress But Pop does that every year.
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That's the great thing about Pop is he went from
he would adjust to his talent. So when they had
Robinson and Duncan, it was twin towers, play inside out.
Then when Duncan Robinson, goals were built around Duncan. Then
Duncan gets older. Okay, Tony Parker's the focal point and
we're actually gonna be more offensive minded than defensive minded.
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Then he's not never been a big three point coach,
But you know what, twenty fourteen, that's the game. That's
what our team is built around. We're gonna shoot the
three and they run Miami. Also when they lost the championship,
now they go mid range with DeMarcus LaMarcus Argers and
Demark De Rosings. So Pop can coach many different brands
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of basketball. And the other one that I think always
bothered me was when they lost to Lebron in Miami
and he had Tim Duncan out of the game, and
they couldn't get the rebound on the miss free throw
by Kauai. I just I couldn't believe that Tim Duncan
wasn't in the game. That's fine, but that's just I'm saying.
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But I'm just saying, let Johns park Chris. I don't.
I know. I'm just I didn't say disqualified him. I'm
just saying that was one of those that was the
first guest I looked at. I looked him, was like,
where's Tim Duncan like before? That's fair, I mean, but
obviously we don't know if they would have got the
rebound anyway. But I mean, this dude, to me, his
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his UH record is virtually impeccable. Like he's a legit,
all time great coach. And you know he had to
remember when you say he never won two in a row,
he had to keep going against Shock and Kobe too.
They had to beat them almost every time they went
to the finals, and so it was tough out there
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in the West. Pat Riley when he went to Miami,
they got beat I believe three times in the playoffs
in the first round. Well, I don't know if all
three were in the first round at least two were
in the first round. Ye lower Sea was the eight
verses one one. Charlotte beat him with Paul Silas as
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the coach is a lower seed, and then Van Gundy
did it again. I believe with the Knicks is a
lower city. And yeah they New York. We know they
beat Miami a lot in the playoffs, but most of
those years they were lower seeds than Miami or several
of them. So, you know, Pat I could argue that
about pat Riley. He never won it without you know,
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Magic and Kareem or Shock and Wade, and of course
he came in at the end of the season with
Shock and Wade. So I just think for eighty two games,
and I think when you look at Larry Brown's championship
with the Pistons with no stars, and not only that, Chris,
they went back the next year, so it wasn't just
a fluke year and they got lucky and they went
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to the finals once and you never heard from them again.
They went back and they lost in seven games to
San Antonio. You know in San Antonio in game seven,
I give I give Larry Brown a lot of credit.
And that's when I realized what a great coach and
what he was able to turn around. So so that's
just my my take. I would if it was up
to me, I'd take Larry Brown over Greg Popovic. Fox
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Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, he's great. But and he's he's
great to us. He is and he is a great commentator.
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Although I think what he said recently was assinine and
here it is. It's about Cede Lamb and what like,
how how good Ceedee Lamb is going to be with
the Cowboys? What the Dallas Cowboys did in the ninth
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and in the twenty twenty NFL Draft by adding scene
D Lamb to the number one offense in the National
Football League? What Will McClay did, What what Jerry Jones,
those guys, Mike McCarthy did by adding this guy, Cede
lamp is a kid almost tantamount, almost tantamount to Kevin
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the risk being added to a seventy three win Warriors
team stopping stopping. Are you kidding me? Oh my god, oivey,
two live jews. Oivey. It's so humid in here, it's
like a sauna. Oh what is he talking about? Chris?
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I hate to break it to you, but the Cowboy
didn't make the playoffs last year and haven't won a
play haven't won a championship in twenty five years, and
has three playoff wins in twenty one. What stop the Warriors?
They had already won a championship in seventy three games.
That'd be like the Cowboys going sixteen and old and
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winning the championship the year before. The Prisoner of the Moment.
That and that's just one of the reasons he was
over the top. Okay, they're not the Warriors. Clearly, he
didn't even make the playoffs. Secondly, I mean, look, I
like cg CD Lamb, like everybody else. He was great,
like Lamb, a little medium, well, a little jelly on
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the side. He's nice. But Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant is
and I look, I'm willing to step out on the
limb and I think, ceedee, Lamb's got a great future
ahead of him. I'm willing to bat Rob, he's not
gonna be the Kevin Durant of white receivers. I will
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agree with that. I don't. I don't. I just as
good as he could be. I mean, the whole idea.
I mean this, this is just so over the top
and I don't know we can we go back this.
This is one of those things. This is where like sometimes,
you know, being a former player and attached to a team, Chris,
you just you go overboard, remember, trying to get back
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into good grace. He's just about to say the same
thing because what he's say about Jerry, Uh do he
say something about trade and dak or yeah that was
something and you remember yet that they were talking about
it or whatever, and then when they pushed back man,
he was peddling. Ever since then, he's just throwing flowers
at the right right, And there's part of that. I mean,
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maybe that's Michael Irvin. You know how it is you
want to get back into good graces. But to say,
I know, Will McClay and he's done a great job there,
Chris drafting and whatnot. He's really really good in the
front office. Of course, he was with the Lions and
they let him go to Dallas and he becomes typical,
typical Will McClay back in the day, but he is, uh,
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he's tremendous. Yeah, and and look so so Number one,
the Cowboys aren't the equivalent of the Warriors by any
stretch of the imagination. Number two, uh td lamb. Look
and he I think he could be a great one,
But my goodness, he's gotta be Randy Moss like Jerry Rice,
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like maybe not quite that good, but slightly below to
be Kevin Durant. And then he's a receiver, and receivers
in football, as big an impact as they make, they
don't make the type of impact that Kevin Durant can
make in basketball because there's only five guys on the floor.
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Totally different And uh, you're right, you gotta get the football, Chris.
There's other guys out there, other skilled guys who also
demand the rock. I just don't look at it that way.
And scoring points and stuff. I don't think that's been
an issue for the Cowboys, do you know what I mean?
Like that? So it's not like, oh my god, they
just added the piece that was meant they've been scoring
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right now, right, it's a great move to get him
at seventeen. I mean it's it's nice. I mean, we're
we're with Irvin on that. We just think he overstated
it to the degree. But I like, look, ceedee lamb
Amari Cooper and uh, what's his name of the third guy? Uh, Michael,
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what's the third receiver? Gall Gallup? Yeah, Gallup. Yeah. So
they gonna have a nice receiving corps for Dad to
throw to, and it'll be interesting to see Dak with
Mike McCarthy. I actually think it's gonna be it's gonna
work out pretty well. Rob. I know, of course you do,
but yeah, uh, well, of you hope. So because you
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said Dak's on his way to what lo, He's on
his way. This is the big they don't make the playoffs.
He's on the path and that'll be interesting to see.
We'll see what happens.
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Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. You watched it.
I watched it. Everybody interested in basketball watched it last night,
and I know, look, they battled. It was there. They're
fortunate to get out of that, right. The Portland Trailblazers,
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Oh oh, they could have lost that game easily last night.
And let's had a chance at the end. Lavert, Chris
Craire cares Lavert, who is nice? He is He had
thirty seven yep, and he decided to do a step
back jumper where he was getting to the basket time
and time, especially in the fourth quarter. I was just right.
I was surprised by that because to me, they would
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either had to foul him or he would have made
a basket. Chris, especially with CJ him right. CJ did
a good job obviously smaller, but he did a good
job of kind of standing in front of Lavert. But yeah,
you can spend move You got the height on him,
you know what I mean, you can get you can
get your shot off into Surprised that that was the shot.
I know Reggie Miller didn't have an issue with it,
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but I just thought he was getting to the paint
and the paint and the bat was he was. I
think this is what happened though, Rob. I think had
it been because they were in the playoffs already, they
were playing for nothing, which is impressive because they went
all out. You know, they didn't play like they didn't
have anything on the line. But had they had something
on the line, like had they you know, had to
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win the getting the playoffs or was it a playoff game,
I think they probably called time out right out and
set up a play or I do think Lavert probably
goes to the whole uh and tries to get a
better shot. I think, you know, they were playing with
house money, you know what I mean, So they just
did what they did. Yeah. Yeah, but but great game
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and Damian Lillard. Had they lost, he look, he would
have got some criticism. There's no doubt. Of course I
was on with skipping shann and they skipped. Definitely would
have criticized him, But you really, I don't know how
you could really find fault with what he did. Even
had they lost, well, it would be right. It would
just be that that no matter he put up all
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these points and they still have still wasn't enough, you
know what I mean? That would have been like everybody said,
like all the Portland's gonna upset the Lakers. They don't
want Sad make the playoffs, you, I mean, right right?
And look, I mean I look, I don't think there's
no way Memphis beats them too straight. I don't think
although Memphis could win tomorrow, they could. You think they
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could beat them too straight? I think Memphis, remember they
got to win too straight. Yeah, I agree, I'm picking Portland,
but I agree with you. I would not be surprised
in the least bit if Memphis wins tomorrow, especially the
way Portland looked last night. Right, Yeah, but I would.
I don't remember, Memphis has to beat them twice as
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the nine seed, whereas Portland's just gotta beat them once.
So I expect Portland to be there with La and
Rob you and I have been on the same page
on this, and I don't look Friend of the Show Barkley,
Charles Barkley, I don't know what he's thinking. He's got Portland,
I think going to the finals in the Western Conference finals, right,
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and yeah, but that was just because you remember that
side of the bracket was was weak. But Greg Anthony,
who I worked with a lot at h the old
Network and had great times with him, he also picked
them to beat the Lakers. There's a few others, and
I just don't see it. Rob. They played absolutely no defense.
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I think I could go out there and get five
points against them, and again, all right, maybe let's not
get crazy. You just have to I think getting up
the court two or three times, we're wearing me out
at this stage. But no, they played no defense. And
Carris Leavert, as good as he is, he ain't Lebron James,
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nor is he Anthony Davis. And they made Carris LeVert
look like a future Hall of Fame. Oh yeah, So
I just can't see them. Stop in LA four times,
four times they'll get it. I think they'll get a
couple of games, right, Yeah, I don't see it. I
know everybody that's the upset special all the matchup. I
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keep hearing all these basketball people, especially on social media,
the fans, oh yeah, you know. And I don't know
if it's just that they want Lebron to lose or
they didn't really think. Do you know what I'm saying
to the moment you say it all the time. I mean,
I think the Lakers haven't looked good in the bubble.
If this was the whole year, then yeah, you would
think the Blazers were better. You think a lot of
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teams were better. But this is just I mean, the
Clippers haven't won much, the Bucks haven't won much, but
that went over Denver was good for the Clippers. I think, yeah, yeah,
But I'm just saying, like, you know what I mean,
you can't. I don't think you can overreact to the bubble,
is what I'm saying. But you know, we'll see. But
you were impressed with the Nets. I am impressed. Uh,
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just that they just keep for whatever reason. You know,
they're missing two big stars from injury, k D and
kind that right, Spencer DINWITTI, and they just keep playing
and and and I really believe and Chris when they
add those two pieces next year, watch out East and
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watch out NBA Finals because I like what they have
put together. I know a lot of players roles are
gonna change when you add two dynamic, big time stars together.
But if they can get people to buy in too
as to what they are, what they already do, everybody
moves back to slots, you know, strengthen the bench, have
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guys who can come in. They they can score a
lot of the Nets. And I think, and I said
this after they got Kywe and Kyd and after Paul
George and Kawhi went to the Lakers, I mean the Clippers.
I said it, and I think it's documented on my Twitter,
but I said, Clippers win the championship in twenty twenty
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and the Nets win it in twenty twenty one. And
now I'm gonna stick with that because I think that
team adding two stars Chris is going to be a problem.
Look on paper, they look like the best team in
the East. On paper that I would take them over Milwaukee.
Boston's good. They got more. You know, They've got a
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nice group of four guys that are, you know, close
to all star level. Toronto obviously is tough, but let's
star who in the East. Rob's gotten to nobody legitimate,
you know, I would say Durant's obviously a superstar, and
Kyrie is right there, and all two guys who have
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won championships. I mean, when you add all that to
the mix of been there, done that, it's hard. It's
hard to not look at them and not think, if
those guys are healthy, Chris, that they're going to be
in the championship mix. Well, I'll say this if they
win it, and this should be I mean, they should
be motivated anyway, and I'm sure they are. But something
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robbed for both of them, even though they've won championships.
What it would do for each of their legacies, each
of them. Durant and in the s we respect him.
He was the best player in Golden State. He won
two rings. But you know we know the deal, right,
But if he wins in Brooklyn, who hasn't won a
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championship before, who he is the number one guy, There's
no doubt about it, that takes his legacy to a
whole nother level. And then for Kyrie, even though he
hit arguably the biggest shot in NBA history, he was
the second guy. And so if he wins with Durant.
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I think that changes a ton for Kyrie too, And
it's not outside of the realm of possibility that even
though Durant's a better player, Kyrie could be the one
to lead them in the finals or throughout the playoffs,
you know what I mean. Yeah, No, it's it's big
for both and I think they'll have a golden opportunity
because that that cupboard is not bad. They have some
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good players people might not know about, but you add
that to the mix, and then depending on who's hired
as coach, not that that really matters that much, Chris,
not a lot, because I think it's a question mark.
I think they got some question marks. I'm not as
certain as you. I don't I right now, I would
say they don't win the championship next year. They could
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win the East if everything works out, but I still
would think the Clippers would be better. But I'm not
so sure that. And don't get me wrong, the Clippers
winning a championship this year, I don't know if it's
going to be back to back or anything like that.
You know, I know how difficult it is, and that's
why it's not that they're going away, Chris, or they
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might not win the year after or something. But you
got two guys who have been out, especially Kevin Durant,
who has something to prove. I just think that it
could it could be set up for the next the
year after they got they got questions because Kyrie obviously
we know his health. His health is an issue, you know,
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and it has been most of his career. To be honest,
he really was at his best as far as health
wise with Lebron, and I don't think that was a coincidence.
I think Lebron's pushing him, setting an example for him,
and I think that that's one reason he was so healthy.
But you know, this year twenty games, last year sixty seven,
which is bad year before that sixty you know, so generally,
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and even his first two years in Cleveland fifty one
and fifty nine. So what's Kyrie's health gonna be? Like
k D I think he'll come back fine, but you know,
we gotta see him first. Who's the coach? And then
you mentioned it earlier, the roles, Like I think there's
a little bit of a difference between the Clippers just
bringing in Kawuhi and Paul George and the Nets because
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Lou the Clippers only had one big score and that
was Lou Williams, and he was a guy off the bench,
and he was kind of known as you know, I'm
a bench guy. I'm a six man and that's what
I do. So it was easy to see you could
drop these two stars in there, whereas with the nets,
you know, Spencer didn't win. He's been a big score.
Levert's not a star, but he's been a big scorer
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you know at times, and so will that. I'm not
saying they won't, but will they accept those lesser roles,
and it is their game even suited to accept the
lesser role, Like Joe Harris' game has suited for a
lesser role. I think he's a keeper rob. They gotta
keep it. If you can catch and shoot, you know
what I mean, that's the type of guy they're going
to need. Would you bring a Laverde or din Witty
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and then what he's been off the bench, like, you know,
one of those guys could easily be a Lou Williams.
So it's just a matter. They got to work these
things out. But the only painting reason I think they're
gonna be stacked that they'll work it out is because
then want anything the other way. I mean that they've played,
they've made the playoffs like eight seven seeds, you know
what I mean. It's not like they've been running away
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on the won the division. Without those guys, then I
think there would be some pushback. So I think if
everybody buys in, they can have a chance to win.
I think Jared Allen's gonna be a nice fit with
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just floored me and I couldn't disagree more. But go ahead,
make a statement and back it up, yeah before we
get there, because I don't want people to think that
I think that he's a bomb and he can't coach
or anything like that. But sometimes I think in coaching,
you got to take a look at where you are,
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the circumstance and situation you're in, the players you have,
and is it you or is it them? Or how
much of it is you? And you know, for me
popping them never being able Chris to win back to
back or string together a couple of championships or three
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in a row or something to put them there. That
always bothered me, considering the talent and where and like
all the success that they've had. But when I always
look at two coaches and this is just me. Pat
Riley earned my respect, not for what he did with
the Lakers, but when he took over the Knicks and
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they didn't win a championship Chris in New York, but
he trans over that. Can't gloss over that, No, I'm
just I'm they didn't win a championship, but I remember
what he did, how he altered his style of coaching
from what he was used to rolling the balls out
with the Lakers to all of a sudden changing into
a gritty like Detroit Pistons kind of physical Oakley, you know,
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Anthony Mason kind of guy. This is all just you know,
it's not based on just winning championships. Anybody. I'm not
gonna sit here and say he's not gonna make the
Hall of Fame or I don't think he's a good coach.
I'm just talking about the way I view it. Are
you saying he you don't consider him an all time. Great. No,
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I don't, and not because I think he doesn't can't coach.
I think he was in a think he was in
a great situation and circumstance, and I think that had
a lot to do with it when you have an
anchor like Tim Duncan for that many years and you know,
and the perfect situation. And he had obviously David Robinson
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before that. But anyway, the other guy is Bill Parcels.
Bill Parcels won two Super Bowls with the Giants, but
Bill Parcels didn't went on. He coached to Dallas, but
I thought his best coaching job was with the New
York Jets. Again. They got to the a FC Championship game,
if I remember correctly. The Jets were one in fifteen
or two and fourteen two and fourteen when Bill Parcels
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took over from Rich coach tight turned the team around somehow, Chris,
and two years later they were in the AFC Championship
Game at Denver, leading at the half. They wind up losing.
Vinnie Testaverdy got hurt the next year and everything fell apart,
but they were on their way. And I don't know
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when it comes to Pop, I think he's I think
he's mostly a victim of circumstance and benefactor exactly right,
and that's worked for him. I'm not I don't want
people to sit here and say I think he can't coach,
or he's bad, or he's not a Hall of Famer.
When you win five out of six championships and all
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the other stuff you talk about. But for me, there's
something missing. And I'm just saying, maybe it's because it's
only been at one place. Chris and other great coaches
have gone elsewhere, you know what I mean, and proven
that it's not. It wasn't just in that circumstance, And
then you could see people, you know what I mean,
Like like Bill Parcels took the Patriots Chris to the
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Super Bowl. They lost. Bill Parcels turned the Cowboys around.
They didn't win anything. Bill Parcels turned the Jets around.
They didn't win anything, you know what I mean. But
but I could look at him and say, everywhere he went,
I always look at Larry Brown that way. Larry Brown
won the championship with the Pistons. I think he's the
best basketball coach I've ever seen. Uh And the only
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place he really failed at was the Knicks. That thing
just didn't work out. But Chris, if you look at
what he was able to do everywhere he went, I
would take Larry Brown over Pop any day. I just would.
I completely disagree. Um. I think Greg Popovich is not
only an all time great coach, but he's arguably the
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greatest basketball coach in NBA history. I think it's clearly
between him and Phil Jackson. And here's why I say.
And I don't know how deep your all time great
list goes, but my thing is, I don't think there's
any way possible you can leave Pop off the all
time great list because in basketball, who would that lead?
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If if the crowd that yeah, let me say so
so that you understand what I'm saying. I get all that. Actively.
I don't want yeah, I don't want people say that
he's not. You're saying he's a good coach, probably a
really good coach, but you are saying he's not an
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all time great in your book. I'm telling you, if
I had a choice of Larry Brown and Greg Popovich,
I would take Larry Brown. Give Larry Brown the talent
that he had, they win multiple championships. They probably would
have won more than five and twenty five years. I
really believe that. And I know he was an assistant
under Larry Brown Chris in San Antonio, Right, wasn't Larry
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And Larry couldn't have stayed anywhere that long? No, No,
I get it, he's got in the contract, he's he's
looking for the next job. No, he's a drama queen.
But that's the one guy I think. Look, Larry's a
good coach. There's no way I put him ahead of
pop because Larry, I mean as as and that what
he did with the Sixers was great, you know, with
Alan Iris and as far as getting him to the finals,
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obviously they didn't win it. And what he did with
Detroit was great when he won it. He's only coach
to have won it in college and the NBA. I
believe that's the fact, right, Um, yeah, the only one
which is mind boggling, which has been But he's one
of the I mean, Popovich never coached in division. I'm
just saying, No, I'm talking about a guy. To us,
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it's just weird that nobody else was able to do
it has done it. But Larry uh had some massive failures.
I mean, like you said, New York Yeah, it looked
like he didn't know how to coach in New York.
I mean, that was just it was just, yeah, he
was starting dudes based on they were from the town
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they were playing in. You know, they were if they
played the Pistons Old So and Soli from Michigan, we'll
start him now. I mean it was a mess. And
then what he did with the Olympic team in two
thousand and four when he wouldn't play Lebron and Carmelo
Anthony and and they had Duncan and Audi, I mean,
and they're losing the Puerto Rico. It was terrible. And
then he was fired in San Antonio. It went south
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in Indiana, they bring in Larry Bird and they get
to the finals right away. Like so, Larry had as
great as he was, and he's a legit Hall of Famer,
but he had some serious missteps. And then if you
want to say what Pop had Duncan, then you're the
Duncan was the hub. There's no if sarahs or butts
about that, but I would then I would say, okay, well,
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Phil Jackson, always have Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen or
Shock and Kobe or Kobe. Some people dismissed without him,
some people dismissed Phil. It's impossible to dismiss him. No,
he's got eleven championship. No, I'm just talking about it
and those guys, and the thing is robbed. Those guys
never won it without Phil. That's maybe what what's I
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don't think it saves Phil because I think he's legitimately
great in his own right. But for those that would
want to, you know, belittle what his success, I think
they'd have to answer. Okay, well, then why didn't Michael
Jordan ever win the championship with anybody else? Or Shock?
He won it with Riley and Duwayne Wade, but Kobe,
Shock and Kobe together never won it without anybody, and
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Kobe never want it without feel So that's feels thing.
But rob, if there's not been a coach like if
the Criterias, you had to win it without these superstars
or you know, the a guy that was an all
time great, then who who would be an all time
great coach? Larry Brown? Okay, you want to say he
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took an I'm not great team, No, I just you
know what, I'm obviously never won it without magic and
Kareem and when he You're right, he went to New York,
made him a good team. He did have Patrick you
ain't to build around, and they never won it. But
also but he also changed his coaching style, which is
what I was impress But Pop does that every year.
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That's the great thing about Pop is he went from
he would adjust to his talent. So when they had
Robinson and Duncan, it was twin towers, play inside out.
Then when Duncan Robinson, goals were built around Duncan. Then
Duncan gets older. Okay, Tony Parker's the focal point and
we're actually gonna be more offensive minded than defensive minded.
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Then he's not never been a big three point coach,
But you know what, twenty fourteen, that's the game. That's
what our team is built around. We're gonna shoot the
three and they run Miami. Also when they lost the championship,
now they go mid range with DeMarcus LaMarcus Argers and
Demark De Rosings. So Pop can coach many different brands
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of basketball. And the other one that I think always
bothered me was when they lost to Lebron in Miami
and he had Tim Duncan out of the game, and
they couldn't get the rebound on the miss free throw
by Kauai. I just I couldn't believe that Tim Duncan
wasn't in the game. That's fine, but that's just I'm saying.
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But I'm just saying, let Johns park Chris. I don't.
I know. I'm just I didn't say disqualified him. I'm
just saying that was one of those that was the
first guest I looked at. I looked him, was like,
where's Tim Duncan like before? That's fair, I mean, but
obviously we don't know if they would have got the
rebound anyway. But I mean, this dude, to me, his
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his UH record is virtually impeccable. Like he's a legit,
all time great coach. And you know he had to
remember when you say he never won two in a row,
he had to keep going against Shock and Kobe too.
They had to beat them almost every time they went
to the finals, and so it was tough out there
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in the West. Pat Riley when he went to Miami,
they got beat I believe three times in the playoffs
in the first round. Well, I don't know if all
three were in the first round at least two were
in the first round. Ye lower Sea was the eight
verses one one. Charlotte beat him with Paul Silas as
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the coach is a lower seed, and then Van Gundy
did it again. I believe with the Knicks is a
lower city. And yeah they New York. We know they
beat Miami a lot in the playoffs, but most of
those years they were lower seeds than Miami or several
of them. So, you know, Pat I could argue that
about pat Riley. He never won it without you know,
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Magic and Kareem or Shock and Wade, and of course
he came in at the end of the season with
Shock and Wade. So I just think for eighty two games,
and I think when you look at Larry Brown's championship
with the Pistons with no stars, and not only that, Chris,
they went back the next year, so it wasn't just
a fluke year and they got lucky and they went
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to the finals once and you never heard from them again.
They went back and they lost in seven games to
San Antonio. You know in San Antonio in game seven,
I give I give Larry Brown a lot of credit.
And that's when I realized what a great coach and
what he was able to turn around. So so that's
just my my take. I would if it was up
to me, I'd take Larry Brown over Greg Popovic. Fox
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(24:28):
Although I think what he said recently was assinine and
here it is. It's about Cede Lamb and what like,
how how good Ceedee Lamb is going to be with
the Cowboys? What the Dallas Cowboys did in the ninth
(24:50):
and in the twenty twenty NFL Draft by adding scene
D Lamb to the number one offense in the National
Football League? What Will McClay did, What what Jerry Jones,
those guys, Mike McCarthy did by adding this guy, Cede
lamp is a kid almost tantamount, almost tantamount to Kevin
(25:15):
the risk being added to a seventy three win Warriors
team stopping stopping. Are you kidding me? Oh my god, oivey,
two live jews. Oivey. It's so humid in here, it's
like a sauna. Oh what is he talking about? Chris?
(25:37):
I hate to break it to you, but the Cowboy
didn't make the playoffs last year and haven't won a
play haven't won a championship in twenty five years, and
has three playoff wins in twenty one. What stop the Warriors?
They had already won a championship in seventy three games.
That'd be like the Cowboys going sixteen and old and
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winning the championship the year before. The Prisoner of the Moment.
That and that's just one of the reasons he was
over the top. Okay, they're not the Warriors. Clearly, he
didn't even make the playoffs. Secondly, I mean, look, I
like cg CD Lamb, like everybody else. He was great,
like Lamb, a little medium, well, a little jelly on
(26:22):
the side. He's nice. But Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant is
and I look, I'm willing to step out on the
limb and I think, ceedee, Lamb's got a great future
ahead of him. I'm willing to bat Rob, he's not
gonna be the Kevin Durant of white receivers. I will
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agree with that. I don't. I don't. I just as
good as he could be. I mean, the whole idea.
I mean this, this is just so over the top
and I don't know we can we go back this.
This is one of those things. This is where like sometimes,
you know, being a former player and attached to a team, Chris,
you just you go overboard, remember, trying to get back
(27:04):
into good grace. He's just about to say the same
thing because what he's say about Jerry, Uh do he
say something about trade and dak or yeah that was
something and you remember yet that they were talking about
it or whatever, and then when they pushed back man,
he was peddling. Ever since then, he's just throwing flowers
at the right right, And there's part of that. I mean,
(27:25):
maybe that's Michael Irvin. You know how it is you
want to get back into good graces. But to say,
I know, Will McClay and he's done a great job there,
Chris drafting and whatnot. He's really really good in the
front office. Of course, he was with the Lions and
they let him go to Dallas and he becomes typical,
typical Will McClay back in the day, but he is, uh,
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he's tremendous. Yeah, and and look so so Number one,
the Cowboys aren't the equivalent of the Warriors by any
stretch of the imagination. Number two, uh td lamb. Look
and he I think he could be a great one,
But my goodness, he's gotta be Randy Moss like Jerry Rice,
(28:10):
like maybe not quite that good, but slightly below to
be Kevin Durant. And then he's a receiver, and receivers
in football, as big an impact as they make, they
don't make the type of impact that Kevin Durant can
make in basketball because there's only five guys on the floor.
(28:33):
Totally different And uh, you're right, you gotta get the football, Chris.
There's other guys out there, other skilled guys who also
demand the rock. I just don't look at it that way.
And scoring points and stuff. I don't think that's been
an issue for the Cowboys, do you know what I mean?
Like that? So it's not like, oh my god, they
just added the piece that was meant they've been scoring
(28:56):
right now, right, it's a great move to get him
at seventeen. I mean it's it's nice. I mean, we're
we're with Irvin on that. We just think he overstated
it to the degree. But I like, look, ceedee lamb
Amari Cooper and uh, what's his name of the third guy? Uh, Michael,
(29:20):
what's the third receiver? Gall Gallup? Yeah, Gallup. Yeah. So
they gonna have a nice receiving corps for Dad to
throw to, and it'll be interesting to see Dak with
Mike McCarthy. I actually think it's gonna be it's gonna
work out pretty well. Rob. I know, of course you do,
but yeah, uh, well, of you hope. So because you
(29:41):
said Dak's on his way to what lo, He's on
his way. This is the big they don't make the playoffs.
He's on the path and that'll be interesting to see.
We'll see what happens.
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