September 18, 2020 • 37 mins
Chris and Rob debate LeBron’s legacy and whether people’s minds will be changed if he wins a fourth title. Martin Weiss joins the show for another edition of Trollin’ or Rollin’. Plus, the guys react to Matthews Stafford’s Players’ Tribune article about how he watched his teammates experience racism first hand.
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all ready for an NFL weekend with our pigs can
pick off. All right, Rob, we were talking about lebron
uh and his you know, should he have won the
MVP Award And I'm not gonna kill Gary. I mean,
it's rare that somebody's a unanimous MVP Award winner, so
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you knew some We're gonna vote not vote for Yannis um.
But here's something else Lebron related, Rob that I want
to throw out to you. And you you heard my
fab five. I did it on the biggest upsets in
NBA Finals history, and they were all good. I was
closer to the Pistons one. Obviously, weren't you on the payroll.
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I wasn't on Nonna payroll. That's never going but that
that was the one, and you know that's covered. That
was because in modern history, right, because you gotta remember,
and you could say whatever you want about Gary Payton
and call them alone. Shack and Kobe won three in
a row together without them. So so the whole idea
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that like that was the reason why they lost because
they won't up to par Shack. We had seen Shack
and Kobe win three in a row, Chris not going
into that year. They had lost a year before, but
they won three in a row, lost, and then two
thousand and four rolled up and everybody thought they were
gonna win again. Everybody well, and just to give you now, look,
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they never really They did roll in the playoffs outside
of Detroit, but they never really you know, hit the
stride and had the chemistry that people expected. But just
to give you an example, Gary Payton the year before
going to the Lakers ride he averaged nineteen point six
points and seven point four assists and was an All Star.
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Once again, he's a premium All Star value. So going
into that season, the thinking was that, you know, Gary
Payton is still in his prime or certainly close. He
was right here. Here's the other thing. Carl Malone as well,
coming off of his last season in Utah, he averaged
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twenty three points, I'm sorry, twenty point six points and
seven point eight rebounds and four point seven assists, So
again not his typical numbers, but still was a good player.
It was thirty nine now he was thirty nine years old.
But the bottom line is that was a that was
viewed as a super team, you know before we use
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that term, because you had potentially, not even potentially, you
had four future Hall of Famer What was it? What
was the other guy's name? Take George? No, what they
had no other star? George was dead. Devin George was
the other starter. Because that was the always the trivia
question daughter who had all started with the four Hall
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of Famers? It was there, I believe, dude, that team
should have won. But what happened, and this is a
you know, Phil Jackson, I think you gotta give him
the respect, is the greatest coach and then be a
history Levin rings. But that was not a great job.
That was That was an example of how he could
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not adapt to his talent instead tried to force his
talent to adapt to him because Gary Payton just wasn't
comfortable in the triangle. And Gary Payton was a ball dominant,
you know, scoring point guard and that didn't fit Phil
Jackson's triangle. So that was a problem. But yeah, it
was a huge upset, rob huge upset. So what I
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want to get to is what will I'm gonna hit
you with from from both sides. If Lebron does as
most everyone now expects him to do, which is win
his fourth championship, what does that do for his legacy?
And conversely, if, for whatever reason, you know, barrain Lebron
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getting hurt, the Lakers don't win the championship, what will
that due to his legacy. I don't think it's the
I'm not going to pooh pooh winning a championship. He
would be four and ten, four and six in ten
trips to the finals. So there's no negative to winning
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a championship. The only negative in this whole scenario is
if he doesn't win. And if he doesn't win, if
he doesn't get to the finals, it'll be a major failure.
And if he loses in the finals somehow, Chris, say
it's Miami and the Lakers, and Miami wins, that would
be a blow to Lebron and his minions. There's just
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no way around it, because everybody had automatically assumed, and
I think that would hurt him. He has more to
lose if he has way more to lose if he loses,
and I don't think he gains as much if he wins.
He's still it is not like winning four championships negates
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the six losses, Like there's no like, oh wow, okay,
one is fourth and now we're not going to look
at the six losses any worse. I don't believe that
the people who think that he's the goat will use
that another win as some sort of ammo. But the
six losses are glaring, and I don't think that you
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could overcome that, you know, unless he won, Chris, I
don't know, three or four more in a row or
something like, you know what I mean, it would have
to be of that magnitude for you to kind of
look at the six losses and discount them. So does
he gain something? He gave something with the people who
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already think he's that guy. I don't think it changes
anybody's mind for the people who don't believe he's better
than Michael Jordan, even with the fourth ring, and if
he loses, he would be in a situation where I
think even his minions and fan boys and all his
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fans would have a hard time making that argument for
him and continuing the better than Michael narrative. I would
officially say that that would have to be dead and
no one would be able to bring that up at
a bar or you know, hanging out with your friends,
because people wouldn't be able to buy into that. If
he had this supposedly fourth championship on a platter and
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he doesn't win it. Yeah, look, I think he's got
a great deal to game. Four championships sounds so much
better than three, especially when because one of the arguments
that Lebron has in the argument, you know between him
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and Jordan is longevity. But longevity can work against you
if you don't win. So, yes, he's been great for
seventeen years. Colin Cowhurt said the other day earlier in
the week that Lebron is the greatest player for the
greatest amount of time, like which I would agree. I mean,
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he looks like he's still in his prime in his
seventeenth year, which we've never seen before. But longevity can
work against you if you start saying, well, Jordan won
six championships in basically eleven full seasons. He was out,
he was hurt for one almost the entire year. He
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came back from baseball, played eighteen games, something like seventeen
eighteen games. He then he went to Washington and as
an old man, thirty nine and forty years old. And
and you know, so he even if you say he
won six and fifteen years, and that sounds so much
better than three in seventeen years, and so three or
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seventeen minutes. It's hard, right, it's hard. It doesn't knock
you off your feet by any stretch. You know, four
doesn't either, but it's still much better. And of course,
Rob and I'm gonna say this too, of course, Lebron
will become the first player ever to lead three different
franchises to championships, which is great. That is a notch
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in his belt in the argument with Jordan. As you know,
it doesn't put him on the over the top in
my opinion, but it is a good little piece to
have because that that does say a lot that Lebron
could go to three different franchises and lead them to championships.
And I'm gonna say this, rob even though I had
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picked Kawai, it is fitting. It is more fitting, it
is more appropriate that Lebron become the first player. If
indeed he does to lead three franchises to the championship,
then Kauhi. Here's why I say it, because Lebron truly
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truly led. If he wins this one, three teams to
the championship, truly they were his team. Each one of
those teams was his team. Kawai. Historically, people would have
looked at it that details would have become fuzzy and
they would have seen he was the finals MVP three times. Wow,
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he led three different teams in the championship. He really didn't.
I mean obviously he didn't now, but I mean he
didn't lead San Antonio to the championship. He was a
role player on that team. It was Duncan's team, and
then it was Parker and Ginobli After that. He was
good in the finals. Don't get me wrong. He deserved
the MVP as much as anybody, but it wasn't his team.
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It was like it with Dollar winning it for Golden State.
It wasn't his team, but didn't lead him. But what
about the flip side Lebron and them don't get there
or don't win. How would that that hurts? That hurts?
The question is does it hurt him enough to take
him from number two? It could hurt him enough to
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take him from number two. If Kevin Durant goes to
Brooklyn and wins back to back. I'm just throwing out
a scenario, Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant goes to Brooklyn, they
win back to back, right, which would be two years
that Lebron is still in the league, right right? You wouldn't,
I mean, because right now Duran's not really in that conversation.
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I'm just saying, but something crazy, That's what I mean.
If it would be, it would have to be something
of that ilk to even like they even have that conversation.
I agree with you, not in that conversation, right, it
would definitely hurt Lebron's legacy there there, I mean, because
everybody lay plaque, right, this is set out on the
platter for him. And the thing is because one thing
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people always use, Rob, and it is legitimate to a degree,
is that they say Lebron ran into I mean, come on,
who was beating Kevin Durant and the seventy three win Warriors,
and which is true. Nobody was beating them all right,
So people always throw that out. Here's the problem with
that argument. When Lebron had a stack deck in Miami,
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he only won two out of four. It's not like
like if he had run the table, even if they
won all four, right, are certainly are the row Chris,
that would have put them in right and right out yep,
without question. But because he didn't run the table, now
you can say, yeah, okay, we get that, but he
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didn't win it. Even when he had a stack deck
every and then this year, Rob, this would be more
ammunition for that argument, right, it would be whole he
didn't win, he didn't run the table, or even when
three out of four when he had to stack deck
in Miami and then when he had, you know, a
clear path to the championship in twenty yeah, twenty twenty,
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they didn't win, right, so that it would hurt I
don't I right now, I don't think it would take
him down from no, no, no, I'm saying, but it would.
It would definitely, And you're right, Rob, for those that
would want that want to argue for Lebron, it would
be a lot tougher. It would. They wouldn't have a
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leg to stand in a real debate, do you know
what I mean? Like you would have a hard time
Pruss pushing that narrative if they lost. Yep, yep, yep.
All right, We want to hear what you guys think
eight seven seven ninety nine or fix eight seven seven
nine ninety six sixty three sixty nine, Win or lose.
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We want both your answers, win or lose the championship.
What happens to Lebron's legacy moving forward? We will continue
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way in. If Lebron wins, what's it due for his legacy?
If he loses his championship? What's it due for his legacy?
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You'll turned away in. All right. Let's kick it off
with Nick in South Carolina, you're on the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Nick? What's up? Gentlemen?
How are you guys doing? Great? Man? How are you,
by the way, happy to your anniversary? Excellent? Thank you brother,
thank you, no problem, hey, fourth threeing, I don't think
put them past Jordan in my opinion, the fact that
he left the championship on the table in twenty eleven,
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I think we'll always permit him from overtaking Jordan. Um.
But if you really look at Lebron's career, I mean,
it's just amazing how he came in with. It's no mentors.
He came in with with no college experience, no real
coach or teammate to lean on on his first seven years.
And while he does only have three things, the fourth
ring does solidify him I think as the second best
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player ever. Um, I don't think his legacy is gonna
be based on finals. Alsoes, like Rob says, you know,
while the vosses do count fans like myself or are
going to give an extra credit for dragging in two
thousand and seven, two thousand and eighteen cast team to
the finals, for going six teams for the wars in
two thousand and fifteen without love and Irving, and for
dominating with the double against that bond at Katie worst
team in two thousand and some team. I think people
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are gonna appreciate that much more now considering a stat
Clipper's team couldn't even get past the second round this year.
So in the end, I don't even think Brom's greatest
enemies like Paul Pierces, gonna leave him all mount rushmath. Right, Yeah,
he's in Paul's top ten or fifteen or whatever. But
that's why. Like when people rip on the media about
the votes, look at the players vote, Chris, right, We've
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talked about it before the year they first allowed players
to vote for the All Star team, one hundred and
fifty players didn't even vote for Lebron. Just think about that.
You should never vote again. They never vote again. That's ridiculous.
And I'll say this now and Rob Rob beats on
Lebron for this, and you know, I should prerogative, but
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I do. Look, I know, four and six or three
and seven, you know, if that's what it is, or
three and six whatever. In the finals, it don't look great,
But there is something to be said for getting the
nine or ten finals see, that's what me and you,
that's what me and you part because it is about
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winning christ better than losing in the conference finals. But
but this is this is my argument. I'm just gonna
ask you this. If you're just talking about if he
went to the finals ten times and lost and was
one in nine or oh and ten, don't tell me
you would even consider him for anything like to like
to be the greatest I'm asking not greatest ever, but
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he still but to get there ten times is what
I'm saying. Like you do, it's about winning. It makes
you the goat or anything like that. But I'm saying
to act like it's just garbage, like it's a next Day.
I didn't say it's garbage, but it's just like I
always bring up the Atlanta Braves. I mean, they had
they had a fifth We still remember that was a
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great team, but they never remember it or you know,
was a very good team. Right. We still remember the
Buffalo Bills as a good team even though they never
won it. And again, Lebron's not in that position where
he said he won. Let me ask you this, rob
this year, would it be better for if Lebron's not
gonna win it. Let's say, would it be better for
him to lose to Denver in this series or to
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lose in the finals, lose it to Denver. See that's
serious because he would be to be argument be three
and seven if he goes to the finals and loses
again and he's three and seven. But to me, that's
a black and white argument. That's just that's refusing to
look at the nuance of I mean, it's alway you
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want to go as far as you can't get that,
but you don't. But to tack on another loss in
the final, it just cement you as this guy who
couldn't win in the finals. That's all Anthony in New
York City, you're on the eye couple of Fox Sports raided.
What's up? Aunt? Hey? How are you happy anniversary? Man? So?
Um yeah, Rob, but I have to disagree with you
on this one. Um. I think the whole point of
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being in the playoffs, it's going as far as you
can is trying to win the championship, even if you
ultimately don't win, just having your having your team being
able to being capable of going that far to the finals.
Even if Lebron took on another lass, he can still
say that he went to the He went to the
finals consecutive league, like maybe eight or nine times consecutively. Yeah,
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like basically the whole decade it was him in the finals.
So he has that he has that winging on him
as he compete for the UM. The go conversation. I
think if he does win this upcoming UM, if he
does win this championship, I think he will official I
think to maybe, I don't think he's in the go.
I think there's no go conversation. Michael Jordan is the
best player of all time, but if he would to
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win this champion and ship, I think there's a greater
I think a real conversation can genuinely be had about
Lebron being in that conversation because he was capable of
taking his team that far. Yeah, I don't Yeah, I
don't know about the I just think it's winning. To me,
is the most of one. Let's go to drill one
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morning Queensman in Atlanta, Drew Brill, you're you're you're on
the eye, a couple of Fox Sports Radio, what's up? Yeah,
can you hear me? Yeah? You go ahead, Yeah, Chris,
you're right. I think it do make a difference, like
going to the finals, you want to go as far
as you can go. So like Michael Jordan, don't getting
strikeing to heel again, She'll for getting put out in
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the playoffs. Only Lebron get it right, it's not len
get He don't get put out for that. It's that
when he gets to you, you're good enough to get
all the way there. It's like the Fab five. They
were freshmen and sophomore and they got to the championship
game but they lost. But you're thinking the fact they
gotten beaten the Elite eight. No, but you can't elevate
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them to think that there was some great team. They
didn't win. They never won, They never won a Big ten,
they never won anything. It doesn't in the argument with Jordan,
there's no doubt. It's a it's a deal breaker. It's
a demerit. That's all right, right, that's all. That's all
I'm saying that. And and I think Rob this speaks
to you, know your your feelings about it, like you
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still have him as the second best player ever, right
not give some credence to getting there. Yes, but but
I'm not gonna get you ahead of Michael Jordan. When
we talk about it all the time when we nippick
about the greatest ever. Chris, Come on, come on, a
guy who's won and a guy who's lost more than
anybody else. He's lost as many championships with Michael Jordan's won.
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I mean, how could that be the same equation? All right?
Rolling and Rolling with Martin Weiss is next. Be sure
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It is time, folks, for trolling or rolling. Tom Brady,
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He's done, Aaron Rodgers did not have a Pro Bowl season.
Trying to get it's trolling or Rolland now I'll do
my best to follow that ear catching, break, breathtaking and
arresting update that I just heard Brian Finley. I'm Martin White,
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and it's trolling or rolling. If Rob and Chris liked
the story that I read, you hear the roll sound
see me, And if you don't, if they don't, rather
you hear the trolls? Oh man, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey hey. And honestly, right now, at this point in time,
I'm trolling my vocabulary, I follow me back. I'm sure
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it's trolling and rolling men to find something better. But
Week one was the week of the Jerry Ashes quarterback
with the Breeze and Brady Bowl. But one guy's perform
it says Timmily going under the radar New Colt Thor
to Philip Rivers through another costly interception, basically costing Indianapolis
a chance to beat the lowly Jaguars. Rob Rolling or
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rolling Philip Rivers is done as a starter in the NFL.
I'm rolling with it. I thought he was bad last year.
I mean, he was awful with the Chargers and them
to win the division, I know, but I'm they're gonna
have to get it done. No, But I just like
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when you say done as a starting quarterback, they might
have to win Chris and maybe he's dinking and dunking
or trying to, you know, avoid it. But I like
the Colts. I think, and this is weird because I
think they're gonna win the game. I think that this
game they're gonna win because this season might be over
if they don't. I don't like it when you say
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my donness has a starter. I don't like Philip Rivers
as a starter in the NFL. I just don't. I'm
trolling it. Oh man, hey, hey, hey, his days of
being all Pro or a pro bowler, yeah, those are over,
I mean, but over as a starter. No, I mean,
we got some bad starters in this league. And and
really and this is big. I mean, this is like,
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this is big. But his only problem is he's throwing
a bunch of interceptions. Well but problem, but he throws
the yardage. He you know, he'll he'll have gaudy numbers,
but he throws the untimely interception. And if he did,
he did it last year people thought Frank Reich, the
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quarterback whisper, would fix him. I know it's only one game.
I don't think he's gonna fix him. I think Rivers
gonna have that typical up and down year. Um, but
he's still a starter. To answer your question, Troller Rollers
Sports Radio. The odd couple NFL history shows that an
on and two start to the season makes it incredibly
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hard to make the playoffs. Three teams with high aspirations
the NFC started out and one the forty nine ers,
the Buccaneers, and the Cowboys. Obviously, an O and two
start with be an incredible hole for one of these
teams to climb out of. This week, the forty nine
has played the Jets, the Bucks have the Panthers, and
the Cowboys have the Falcons. Chris trolling a rolling the
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Tampa Bay Buccaneers are the NFC contender in biggest trouble
to start owing two. Who San Francisco got two Jets. Yeah,
that's that's an easier game than the Falcons. Um, But
I'm gonna troll that. Oh man, hey tough. And I
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don't expect Tampa Bay to win the division, but they
could certainly make it as a wild card even if
they start owing two. Dallas is in the best shape
of those three teams, because even if they lose, I mean,
their divisions so bad that you can you know, your
record is not gonna have to be great to get
out of there. But I just think even if Tampa
Bay loses this week, it's still a long season. I
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expect them to improve, get more chemistry. So I'm trolling that.
I'm rolling it. I'm rolling it, all right. Yeah, I
just I don't think they could afford to start owing too.
I just think this is a team that hasn't made
the playoffs in twelve years, people start to question Brady
if they lose again, and then Bruce arians We saw
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what he had to say after. I mean, it could
just unravel if they get off to a bad start
and people could start questioning what's going on there. So
I think it's imperative for them to win, and especially
when you have the Saints are going to win the
division and you're playing for a playoff spot, So you
can't just lose arbitrary games because it's gonna make a
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difference on whether you make the playoff. That's why I
think it's it's harder. So I'm definitely rolling with that,
all right, because we're trolling or rolling Fox Sports Radio.
Now only a few stadium has fans in them, but
ESPN dot com did a poll that came out today
of the best NFL stadium. Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City
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came in third century lakes Field and Seattle took the
silver and the first place stadium with Lamba Field in
Green Bay. Rob, are you trolling or rolling Lambo Field
is the best place to watch an NFL game? I'm
rolling with that. Someone who covered Lions games for twenty
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years and made an annual pilgrimage to lambou Field. It
is worthy of high praise. I know it's not as sophisticated.
I saw the stadium that the Rams have, the brand
new Rams and Chargers and some other newer parks. But
lambeau Field has all the history. It's just it's something
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about it that special. And I'm on board with Lambo Field.
I'm trolling it. Oh Man, Hey, yeah, Chicago Stadium had history.
To rob Boston Garden, the Forum, the Spectrum, they all
had history. You would you would kill yourself. You you
hate to go there and cover a game nowadays? And
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Lambo to wait, Martin worded the question was the best
place to watch a game. I'm sorry, I'm not trying
to freeze when I'm when I'm watching a football game.
That alone's ex Lambo out of the running. Okay, So
I'm going with Seattle. You know, the way it's built
is built to make that Twelfth Man incredibly every other day. Okay.
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I can handle rain. I'd rather have rain than freezing cold.
All right, So I am definitely trolled. I get the tradition,
the history. It makes a great entertainment when I'm watching
the old NFL films about the frozen tundra of lambeau Field.
But guess what I'd rather be in a warm, cozy
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stadium Stay hold, stay home, Chris, state of the art amenities,
then freezing my butt off in a bleat shirt. I'm
trolling both of those because stadium. Do you want to
talk about fan support juxtapose with comfort? The New Orleans
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super Dome far away home. I'll leave you with God
can't help. Yeah, you get raised on the same home game. Huh.
All you do with all these guys are Homer's man
the food down there. You didn't hear me say Shaye Stadium.
That's why I went to watch Jet Skins when I
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was a kid. I didn't bring up Shay Stadium. All right,
Martin Weiss, good work is always work on that. Get
in Thatt the Sars and we'll see you next week.
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Alex Tyser digging into crates. All right, Rob, I you
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you have mocked this guy as pat Stadt Stat Padford
Stat Padford, And I don't know. I assume you know
him to some degree obviously haven't worked a little bit. Yeah,
a little bit. I don't know, but like you know,
we've had conversations. But I'm not buddies with him. I
don't know him at all. Um, just you know, watch
him as a quarterback. But he wrote an article today
(30:59):
that came out today Rob in the Player's Tribune that
was excellent. It was called we Can't Just Stick to
Football and it was about racism. Obviously, Matt Stafford is
white from Texas. He's saying from it sounds like an
over an overwhelmingly white area. He has every reason to
(31:22):
keep his mouth shut and not be worried about it.
Doesn't affect him, right, Yes, yes, grew up together. I
mean that that's the company he was in, right so,
so upper middle class area probably sounds like from his
description in the article. But he talked about the racism
that he has seen his black teammates encounter and recently
(31:45):
when he used to you know, during the pandemic, because
they're getting ready for the season. He uh went, rob
is a great one. So he he wants to throw
the football with his teammates to get ready for the season.
And George right in Georgia. Yes, I think it was
it Atlanta or it was Georgia for sure. I just thought,
I'm not sure if it was Atlanta or not. But
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in Georgia. So he, you know, he gets reserves a school,
I don't know it's a high school whatever, but reserves
the school with a field. Everything's set up, he's got
the green light. It's all good. He goes there with
Danny Amondola, white teammate, and they work out for four
straight days, no issues. He goes back the following week
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with four black teammates and they're out there putting their
shoes on, and within a couple of minutes as they
get on the field, a white guy comes and basically
runs them off the field and says, you can't be here,
just right to call a police, and does call the police.
They said he first, he said you gotta go. I
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don't you know. He didn't want to hear about the reservation,
none of that. Doesn't want to hear that you were
here last week doing the same thing. Just ran him
off the field and then came back and told him
he was calling the cops for no reason. Matt Stafford said,
nobody was rude to him, nobody, you know, nothing. It
was because they were black, right, And Stafford saw it
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because he didn't have an issue the week before or
the time before, I should say, Chris. And that's what
struck him, is that like nobody was doing anything other
than being black in that situation, Like there's a problem,
do you know what I mean? And this is the
stuff that sometimes people don't want to understand or black
people making a big deal or whatever. No, No, that
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Stafford saw it firsthand, and that's great that he wrote
about it and put it out there. Right, I say
it all the time. Yeah, I mean quitch. I got
problem with him as a player. I just I don't
I don't put the two together. I don't dislike Matthew
Stafford as a person or any of that stuff. I
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just don't think he's as good as the numbers say.
He is that's that's been my biggest He's got Hall
of Fame number, yes, but yeah, eleven years, no playoff wins.
He's not a Hall of Famer in my book. But
another thing, right, I remember he talked about in the article,
how you know remember that after the Jacob Blake killing,
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the Lions didn't practice right right and they had instead
they had a meeting where they just talked things out.
And he said, you know, I mean they got white
and black players, and you know, black players were just
sharing some of their stories. And he said this, He said,
Trey Flowers, Trey Flowers. This is what Trey Flowers does
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when he is stopped by a police officer, whether it's
for nothing, whether it's for he was speeding, he didn't
put his blink or whatever it is. You know, when
he is whenever he is stopped by an officer, this
is what Flowers does. He rolls down the window, he
puts both hands on the wheel, and he asks the officer,
(35:09):
would you like me to step out of the car
so you can handcuff me. Every time he does that,
Rob and this is why, so they know he's not
a threat, so they won't see him as a threat.
And Matthew Stafford was tripping like what. I couldn't do it, Chris,
I couldn't be. I've never been in handcuffs. Don't want
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to be in handcuffs. I couldn't do it. I give
him credit to I don't want handcuffs on me. If
I have him committed a crime, ever, I don't. I don't,
I don't care. I mean, I give him credit for
doing it. I understand it, Chris. As you know, I've
been stopped often, But I have you been in handcuffs? No? Never?
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I don't know. No, of course not, but I don't.
I'm not counting the fuzzy handcuffs. You know what I'm
talking about, real hand Look, I hear what you're saying, Rob,
And I never have even thought about anyone doing what
Trey Flowers did. I just read this today, But I wonder, Rob,
And remember we had I think we had a black
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and a white guy call up and say this, who
were both huge? Right? They said? There? One was six.
Maybe that's it. When you're that big and you're black,
people already may see you feel some sort of way
about you because you're black. But when you're huge, you
know what I mean, they may that may lead them
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even more so to feel that. I don't know. But
one thing I want to bring up, Rob, and we
won't have time to get through it. But if you
if you haven't read the article, do you see the player,
whatever your race, go to Players Tribune dot com and
read matt Matthew Stafford's article. It was awesome and I
think it would be be good for everyone to read
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and get his perspective on this. All right, we got
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pick off. All right, Rob, we were talking about lebron
uh and his you know, should he have won the
MVP Award And I'm not gonna kill Gary. I mean,
it's rare that somebody's a unanimous MVP Award winner, so
(01:29):
you knew some We're gonna vote not vote for Yannis um.
But here's something else Lebron related, Rob that I want
to throw out to you. And you you heard my
fab five. I did it on the biggest upsets in
NBA Finals history, and they were all good. I was
closer to the Pistons one. Obviously, weren't you on the payroll.
(01:54):
I wasn't on Nonna payroll. That's never going but that
that was the one, and you know that's covered. That
was because in modern history, right, because you gotta remember,
and you could say whatever you want about Gary Payton
and call them alone. Shack and Kobe won three in
a row together without them. So so the whole idea
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that like that was the reason why they lost because
they won't up to par Shack. We had seen Shack
and Kobe win three in a row, Chris not going
into that year. They had lost a year before, but
they won three in a row, lost, and then two
thousand and four rolled up and everybody thought they were
gonna win again. Everybody well, and just to give you now, look,
(02:40):
they never really They did roll in the playoffs outside
of Detroit, but they never really you know, hit the
stride and had the chemistry that people expected. But just
to give you an example, Gary Payton the year before
going to the Lakers ride he averaged nineteen point six
points and seven point four assists and was an All Star.
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Once again, he's a premium All Star value. So going
into that season, the thinking was that, you know, Gary
Payton is still in his prime or certainly close. He
was right here. Here's the other thing. Carl Malone as well,
coming off of his last season in Utah, he averaged
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twenty three points, I'm sorry, twenty point six points and
seven point eight rebounds and four point seven assists, So
again not his typical numbers, but still was a good player.
It was thirty nine now he was thirty nine years old.
But the bottom line is that was a that was
viewed as a super team, you know before we use
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that term, because you had potentially, not even potentially, you
had four future Hall of Famer What was it? What
was the other guy's name? Take George? No, what they
had no other star? George was dead. Devin George was
the other starter. Because that was the always the trivia
question daughter who had all started with the four Hall
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of Famers? It was there, I believe, dude, that team
should have won. But what happened, and this is a
you know, Phil Jackson, I think you gotta give him
the respect, is the greatest coach and then be a
history Levin rings. But that was not a great job.
That was That was an example of how he could
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not adapt to his talent instead tried to force his
talent to adapt to him because Gary Payton just wasn't
comfortable in the triangle. And Gary Payton was a ball dominant,
you know, scoring point guard and that didn't fit Phil
Jackson's triangle. So that was a problem. But yeah, it
was a huge upset, rob huge upset. So what I
(04:50):
want to get to is what will I'm gonna hit
you with from from both sides. If Lebron does as
most everyone now expects him to do, which is win
his fourth championship, what does that do for his legacy?
And conversely, if, for whatever reason, you know, barrain Lebron
(05:12):
getting hurt, the Lakers don't win the championship, what will
that due to his legacy. I don't think it's the
I'm not going to pooh pooh winning a championship. He
would be four and ten, four and six in ten
trips to the finals. So there's no negative to winning
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a championship. The only negative in this whole scenario is
if he doesn't win. And if he doesn't win, if
he doesn't get to the finals, it'll be a major failure.
And if he loses in the finals somehow, Chris, say
it's Miami and the Lakers, and Miami wins, that would
be a blow to Lebron and his minions. There's just
(05:54):
no way around it, because everybody had automatically assumed, and
I think that would hurt him. He has more to
lose if he has way more to lose if he loses,
and I don't think he gains as much if he wins.
He's still it is not like winning four championships negates
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the six losses, Like there's no like, oh wow, okay,
one is fourth and now we're not going to look
at the six losses any worse. I don't believe that
the people who think that he's the goat will use
that another win as some sort of ammo. But the
six losses are glaring, and I don't think that you
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could overcome that, you know, unless he won, Chris, I
don't know, three or four more in a row or
something like, you know what I mean, it would have
to be of that magnitude for you to kind of
look at the six losses and discount them. So does
he gain something? He gave something with the people who
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already think he's that guy. I don't think it changes
anybody's mind for the people who don't believe he's better
than Michael Jordan, even with the fourth ring, and if
he loses, he would be in a situation where I
think even his minions and fan boys and all his
(07:22):
fans would have a hard time making that argument for
him and continuing the better than Michael narrative. I would
officially say that that would have to be dead and
no one would be able to bring that up at
a bar or you know, hanging out with your friends,
because people wouldn't be able to buy into that. If
he had this supposedly fourth championship on a platter and
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he doesn't win it. Yeah, look, I think he's got
a great deal to game. Four championships sounds so much
better than three, especially when because one of the arguments
that Lebron has in the argument, you know between him
(08:06):
and Jordan is longevity. But longevity can work against you
if you don't win. So, yes, he's been great for
seventeen years. Colin Cowhurt said the other day earlier in
the week that Lebron is the greatest player for the
greatest amount of time, like which I would agree. I mean,
(08:29):
he looks like he's still in his prime in his
seventeenth year, which we've never seen before. But longevity can
work against you if you start saying, well, Jordan won
six championships in basically eleven full seasons. He was out,
he was hurt for one almost the entire year. He
(08:50):
came back from baseball, played eighteen games, something like seventeen
eighteen games. He then he went to Washington and as
an old man, thirty nine and forty years old. And
and you know, so he even if you say he
won six and fifteen years, and that sounds so much
better than three in seventeen years, and so three or
(09:14):
seventeen minutes. It's hard, right, it's hard. It doesn't knock
you off your feet by any stretch. You know, four
doesn't either, but it's still much better. And of course,
Rob and I'm gonna say this too, of course, Lebron
will become the first player ever to lead three different
franchises to championships, which is great. That is a notch
(09:39):
in his belt in the argument with Jordan. As you know,
it doesn't put him on the over the top in
my opinion, but it is a good little piece to
have because that that does say a lot that Lebron
could go to three different franchises and lead them to championships.
And I'm gonna say this, rob even though I had
(09:59):
picked Kawai, it is fitting. It is more fitting, it
is more appropriate that Lebron become the first player. If
indeed he does to lead three franchises to the championship,
then Kauhi. Here's why I say it, because Lebron truly
(10:19):
truly led. If he wins this one, three teams to
the championship, truly they were his team. Each one of
those teams was his team. Kawai. Historically, people would have
looked at it that details would have become fuzzy and
they would have seen he was the finals MVP three times. Wow,
(10:40):
he led three different teams in the championship. He really didn't.
I mean obviously he didn't now, but I mean he
didn't lead San Antonio to the championship. He was a
role player on that team. It was Duncan's team, and
then it was Parker and Ginobli After that. He was
good in the finals. Don't get me wrong. He deserved
the MVP as much as anybody, but it wasn't his team.
(11:01):
It was like it with Dollar winning it for Golden State.
It wasn't his team, but didn't lead him. But what
about the flip side Lebron and them don't get there
or don't win. How would that that hurts? That hurts?
The question is does it hurt him enough to take
him from number two? It could hurt him enough to
(11:22):
take him from number two. If Kevin Durant goes to
Brooklyn and wins back to back. I'm just throwing out
a scenario, Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant goes to Brooklyn, they
win back to back, right, which would be two years
that Lebron is still in the league, right right? You wouldn't,
I mean, because right now Duran's not really in that conversation.
(11:42):
I'm just saying, but something crazy, That's what I mean.
If it would be, it would have to be something
of that ilk to even like they even have that conversation.
I agree with you, not in that conversation, right, it
would definitely hurt Lebron's legacy there there, I mean, because
everybody lay plaque, right, this is set out on the
platter for him. And the thing is because one thing
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people always use, Rob, and it is legitimate to a degree,
is that they say Lebron ran into I mean, come on,
who was beating Kevin Durant and the seventy three win Warriors,
and which is true. Nobody was beating them all right,
So people always throw that out. Here's the problem with
that argument. When Lebron had a stack deck in Miami,
(12:26):
he only won two out of four. It's not like
like if he had run the table, even if they
won all four, right, are certainly are the row Chris,
that would have put them in right and right out yep,
without question. But because he didn't run the table, now
you can say, yeah, okay, we get that, but he
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didn't win it. Even when he had a stack deck
every and then this year, Rob, this would be more
ammunition for that argument, right, it would be whole he
didn't win, he didn't run the table, or even when
three out of four when he had to stack deck
in Miami and then when he had, you know, a
clear path to the championship in twenty yeah, twenty twenty,
(13:13):
they didn't win, right, so that it would hurt I
don't I right now, I don't think it would take
him down from no, no, no, I'm saying, but it would.
It would definitely, And you're right, Rob, for those that
would want that want to argue for Lebron, it would
be a lot tougher. It would. They wouldn't have a
(13:34):
leg to stand in a real debate, do you know
what I mean? Like you would have a hard time
Pruss pushing that narrative if they lost. Yep, yep, yep.
All right, We want to hear what you guys think
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You'll turned away in. All right. Let's kick it off
with Nick in South Carolina, you're on the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Nick? What's up? Gentlemen?
How are you guys doing? Great? Man? How are you,
by the way, happy to your anniversary? Excellent? Thank you brother,
thank you, no problem, hey, fourth threeing, I don't think
put them past Jordan in my opinion, the fact that
he left the championship on the table in twenty eleven,
(15:43):
I think we'll always permit him from overtaking Jordan. Um.
But if you really look at Lebron's career, I mean,
it's just amazing how he came in with. It's no mentors.
He came in with with no college experience, no real
coach or teammate to lean on on his first seven years.
And while he does only have three things, the fourth
ring does solidify him I think as the second best
(16:04):
player ever. Um, I don't think his legacy is gonna
be based on finals. Alsoes, like Rob says, you know,
while the vosses do count fans like myself or are
going to give an extra credit for dragging in two
thousand and seven, two thousand and eighteen cast team to
the finals, for going six teams for the wars in
two thousand and fifteen without love and Irving, and for
dominating with the double against that bond at Katie worst
team in two thousand and some team. I think people
(16:26):
are gonna appreciate that much more now considering a stat
Clipper's team couldn't even get past the second round this year.
So in the end, I don't even think Brom's greatest
enemies like Paul Pierces, gonna leave him all mount rushmath. Right, Yeah,
he's in Paul's top ten or fifteen or whatever. But
that's why. Like when people rip on the media about
the votes, look at the players vote, Chris, right, We've
(16:46):
talked about it before the year they first allowed players
to vote for the All Star team, one hundred and
fifty players didn't even vote for Lebron. Just think about that.
You should never vote again. They never vote again. That's ridiculous.
And I'll say this now and Rob Rob beats on
Lebron for this, and you know, I should prerogative, but
(17:07):
I do. Look, I know, four and six or three
and seven, you know, if that's what it is, or
three and six whatever. In the finals, it don't look great,
But there is something to be said for getting the
nine or ten finals see, that's what me and you,
that's what me and you part because it is about
(17:29):
winning christ better than losing in the conference finals. But
but this is this is my argument. I'm just gonna
ask you this. If you're just talking about if he
went to the finals ten times and lost and was
one in nine or oh and ten, don't tell me
you would even consider him for anything like to like
to be the greatest I'm asking not greatest ever, but
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he still but to get there ten times is what
I'm saying. Like you do, it's about winning. It makes
you the goat or anything like that. But I'm saying
to act like it's just garbage, like it's a next Day.
I didn't say it's garbage, but it's just like I
always bring up the Atlanta Braves. I mean, they had
they had a fifth We still remember that was a
(18:11):
great team, but they never remember it or you know,
was a very good team. Right. We still remember the
Buffalo Bills as a good team even though they never
won it. And again, Lebron's not in that position where
he said he won. Let me ask you this, rob
this year, would it be better for if Lebron's not
gonna win it. Let's say, would it be better for
him to lose to Denver in this series or to
(18:32):
lose in the finals, lose it to Denver. See that's
serious because he would be to be argument be three
and seven if he goes to the finals and loses
again and he's three and seven. But to me, that's
a black and white argument. That's just that's refusing to
look at the nuance of I mean, it's alway you
(18:54):
want to go as far as you can't get that,
but you don't. But to tack on another loss in
the final, it just cement you as this guy who
couldn't win in the finals. That's all Anthony in New
York City, you're on the eye couple of Fox Sports raided.
What's up? Aunt? Hey? How are you happy anniversary? Man? So?
Um yeah, Rob, but I have to disagree with you
on this one. Um. I think the whole point of
(19:16):
being in the playoffs, it's going as far as you
can is trying to win the championship, even if you
ultimately don't win, just having your having your team being
able to being capable of going that far to the finals.
Even if Lebron took on another lass, he can still
say that he went to the He went to the
finals consecutive league, like maybe eight or nine times consecutively. Yeah,
(19:39):
like basically the whole decade it was him in the finals.
So he has that he has that winging on him
as he compete for the UM. The go conversation. I
think if he does win this upcoming UM, if he
does win this championship, I think he will official I
think to maybe, I don't think he's in the go.
I think there's no go conversation. Michael Jordan is the
best player of all time, but if he would to
(19:59):
win this champion and ship, I think there's a greater
I think a real conversation can genuinely be had about
Lebron being in that conversation because he was capable of
taking his team that far. Yeah, I don't Yeah, I
don't know about the I just think it's winning. To me,
is the most of one. Let's go to drill one
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morning Queensman in Atlanta, Drew Brill, you're you're you're on
the eye, a couple of Fox Sports Radio, what's up? Yeah,
can you hear me? Yeah? You go ahead, Yeah, Chris,
you're right. I think it do make a difference, like
going to the finals, you want to go as far
as you can go. So like Michael Jordan, don't getting
strikeing to heel again, She'll for getting put out in
(20:41):
the playoffs. Only Lebron get it right, it's not len
get He don't get put out for that. It's that
when he gets to you, you're good enough to get
all the way there. It's like the Fab five. They
were freshmen and sophomore and they got to the championship
game but they lost. But you're thinking the fact they
gotten beaten the Elite eight. No, but you can't elevate
(21:03):
them to think that there was some great team. They
didn't win. They never won, They never won a Big ten,
they never won anything. It doesn't in the argument with Jordan,
there's no doubt. It's a it's a deal breaker. It's
a demerit. That's all right, right, that's all. That's all
I'm saying that. And and I think Rob this speaks
to you, know your your feelings about it, like you
(21:25):
still have him as the second best player ever, right
not give some credence to getting there. Yes, but but
I'm not gonna get you ahead of Michael Jordan. When
we talk about it all the time when we nippick
about the greatest ever. Chris, Come on, come on, a
guy who's won and a guy who's lost more than
anybody else. He's lost as many championships with Michael Jordan's won.
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I mean, how could that be the same equation? All right?
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Week one was the week of the Jerry Ashes quarterback
with the Breeze and Brady Bowl. But one guy's perform
it says Timmily going under the radar New Colt Thor
to Philip Rivers through another costly interception, basically costing Indianapolis
a chance to beat the lowly Jaguars. Rob Rolling or
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rolling Philip Rivers is done as a starter in the NFL.
I'm rolling with it. I thought he was bad last year.
I mean, he was awful with the Chargers and them
to win the division, I know, but I'm they're gonna
have to get it done. No, But I just like
(23:40):
when you say done as a starting quarterback, they might
have to win Chris and maybe he's dinking and dunking
or trying to, you know, avoid it. But I like
the Colts. I think, and this is weird because I
think they're gonna win the game. I think that this
game they're gonna win because this season might be over
if they don't. I don't like it when you say
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my donness has a starter. I don't like Philip Rivers
as a starter in the NFL. I just don't. I'm
trolling it. Oh man, hey, hey, hey, his days of
being all Pro or a pro bowler, yeah, those are over,
I mean, but over as a starter. No, I mean,
we got some bad starters in this league. And and
really and this is big. I mean, this is like,
(24:24):
this is big. But his only problem is he's throwing
a bunch of interceptions. Well but problem, but he throws
the yardage. He you know, he'll he'll have gaudy numbers,
but he throws the untimely interception. And if he did,
he did it last year people thought Frank Reich, the
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quarterback whisper, would fix him. I know it's only one game.
I don't think he's gonna fix him. I think Rivers
gonna have that typical up and down year. Um, but
he's still a starter. To answer your question, Troller Rollers
Sports Radio. The odd couple NFL history shows that an
on and two start to the season makes it incredibly
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hard to make the playoffs. Three teams with high aspirations
the NFC started out and one the forty nine ers,
the Buccaneers, and the Cowboys. Obviously, an O and two
start with be an incredible hole for one of these
teams to climb out of. This week, the forty nine
has played the Jets, the Bucks have the Panthers, and
the Cowboys have the Falcons. Chris trolling a rolling the
(25:30):
Tampa Bay Buccaneers are the NFC contender in biggest trouble
to start owing two. Who San Francisco got two Jets. Yeah,
that's that's an easier game than the Falcons. Um, But
I'm gonna troll that. Oh man, hey tough. And I
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don't expect Tampa Bay to win the division, but they
could certainly make it as a wild card even if
they start owing two. Dallas is in the best shape
of those three teams, because even if they lose, I mean,
their divisions so bad that you can you know, your
record is not gonna have to be great to get
out of there. But I just think even if Tampa
Bay loses this week, it's still a long season. I
(26:14):
expect them to improve, get more chemistry. So I'm trolling that.
I'm rolling it. I'm rolling it, all right. Yeah, I
just I don't think they could afford to start owing too.
I just think this is a team that hasn't made
the playoffs in twelve years, people start to question Brady
if they lose again, and then Bruce arians We saw
(26:37):
what he had to say after. I mean, it could
just unravel if they get off to a bad start
and people could start questioning what's going on there. So
I think it's imperative for them to win, and especially
when you have the Saints are going to win the
division and you're playing for a playoff spot, So you
can't just lose arbitrary games because it's gonna make a
(26:58):
difference on whether you make the playoff. That's why I
think it's it's harder. So I'm definitely rolling with that,
all right, because we're trolling or rolling Fox Sports Radio.
Now only a few stadium has fans in them, but
ESPN dot com did a poll that came out today
of the best NFL stadium. Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City
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came in third century lakes Field and Seattle took the
silver and the first place stadium with Lamba Field in
Green Bay. Rob, are you trolling or rolling Lambo Field
is the best place to watch an NFL game? I'm
rolling with that. Someone who covered Lions games for twenty
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years and made an annual pilgrimage to lambou Field. It
is worthy of high praise. I know it's not as sophisticated.
I saw the stadium that the Rams have, the brand
new Rams and Chargers and some other newer parks. But
lambeau Field has all the history. It's just it's something
(28:00):
about it that special. And I'm on board with Lambo Field.
I'm trolling it. Oh Man, Hey, yeah, Chicago Stadium had history.
To rob Boston Garden, the Forum, the Spectrum, they all
had history. You would you would kill yourself. You you
hate to go there and cover a game nowadays? And
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Lambo to wait, Martin worded the question was the best
place to watch a game. I'm sorry, I'm not trying
to freeze when I'm when I'm watching a football game.
That alone's ex Lambo out of the running. Okay, So
I'm going with Seattle. You know, the way it's built
is built to make that Twelfth Man incredibly every other day. Okay.
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I can handle rain. I'd rather have rain than freezing cold.
All right, So I am definitely trolled. I get the tradition,
the history. It makes a great entertainment when I'm watching
the old NFL films about the frozen tundra of lambeau Field.
But guess what I'd rather be in a warm, cozy
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stadium Stay hold, stay home, Chris, state of the art amenities,
then freezing my butt off in a bleat shirt. I'm
trolling both of those because stadium. Do you want to
talk about fan support juxtapose with comfort? The New Orleans
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super Dome far away home. I'll leave you with God
can't help. Yeah, you get raised on the same home game. Huh.
All you do with all these guys are Homer's man
the food down there. You didn't hear me say Shaye Stadium.
That's why I went to watch Jet Skins when I
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was a kid. I didn't bring up Shay Stadium. All right,
Martin Weiss, good work is always work on that. Get
in Thatt the Sars and we'll see you next week.
Patrolling or rolling? All right, it's the eye couple. You
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(30:36):
you have mocked this guy as pat Stadt Stat Padford
Stat Padford, And I don't know. I assume you know
him to some degree obviously haven't worked a little bit. Yeah,
a little bit. I don't know, but like you know,
we've had conversations. But I'm not buddies with him. I
don't know him at all. Um, just you know, watch
him as a quarterback. But he wrote an article today
(30:59):
that came out today Rob in the Player's Tribune that
was excellent. It was called we Can't Just Stick to
Football and it was about racism. Obviously, Matt Stafford is
white from Texas. He's saying from it sounds like an
over an overwhelmingly white area. He has every reason to
(31:22):
keep his mouth shut and not be worried about it.
Doesn't affect him, right, Yes, yes, grew up together. I
mean that that's the company he was in, right so,
so upper middle class area probably sounds like from his
description in the article. But he talked about the racism
that he has seen his black teammates encounter and recently
(31:45):
when he used to you know, during the pandemic, because
they're getting ready for the season. He uh went, rob
is a great one. So he he wants to throw
the football with his teammates to get ready for the season.
And George right in Georgia. Yes, I think it was
it Atlanta or it was Georgia for sure. I just thought,
I'm not sure if it was Atlanta or not. But
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in Georgia. So he, you know, he gets reserves a school,
I don't know it's a high school whatever, but reserves
the school with a field. Everything's set up, he's got
the green light. It's all good. He goes there with
Danny Amondola, white teammate, and they work out for four
straight days, no issues. He goes back the following week
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with four black teammates and they're out there putting their
shoes on, and within a couple of minutes as they
get on the field, a white guy comes and basically
runs them off the field and says, you can't be here,
just right to call a police, and does call the police.
They said he first, he said you gotta go. I
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don't you know. He didn't want to hear about the reservation,
none of that. Doesn't want to hear that you were
here last week doing the same thing. Just ran him
off the field and then came back and told him
he was calling the cops for no reason. Matt Stafford said,
nobody was rude to him, nobody, you know, nothing. It
was because they were black, right, And Stafford saw it
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because he didn't have an issue the week before or
the time before, I should say, Chris. And that's what
struck him, is that like nobody was doing anything other
than being black in that situation, Like there's a problem,
do you know what I mean? And this is the
stuff that sometimes people don't want to understand or black
people making a big deal or whatever. No, No, that
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Stafford saw it firsthand, and that's great that he wrote
about it and put it out there. Right, I say
it all the time. Yeah, I mean quitch. I got
problem with him as a player. I just I don't
I don't put the two together. I don't dislike Matthew
Stafford as a person or any of that stuff. I
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just don't think he's as good as the numbers say.
He is that's that's been my biggest He's got Hall
of Fame number, yes, but yeah, eleven years, no playoff wins.
He's not a Hall of Famer in my book. But
another thing, right, I remember he talked about in the article,
how you know remember that after the Jacob Blake killing,
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the Lions didn't practice right right and they had instead
they had a meeting where they just talked things out.
And he said, you know, I mean they got white
and black players, and you know, black players were just
sharing some of their stories. And he said this, He said,
Trey Flowers, Trey Flowers. This is what Trey Flowers does
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when he is stopped by a police officer, whether it's
for nothing, whether it's for he was speeding, he didn't
put his blink or whatever it is. You know, when
he is whenever he is stopped by an officer, this
is what Flowers does. He rolls down the window, he
puts both hands on the wheel, and he asks the officer,
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would you like me to step out of the car
so you can handcuff me. Every time he does that,
Rob and this is why, so they know he's not
a threat, so they won't see him as a threat.
And Matthew Stafford was tripping like what. I couldn't do it, Chris,
I couldn't be. I've never been in handcuffs. Don't want
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to be in handcuffs. I couldn't do it. I give
him credit to I don't want handcuffs on me. If
I have him committed a crime, ever, I don't. I don't,
I don't care. I mean, I give him credit for
doing it. I understand it, Chris. As you know, I've
been stopped often, But I have you been in handcuffs? No? Never?
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I don't know. No, of course not, but I don't.
I'm not counting the fuzzy handcuffs. You know what I'm
talking about, real hand Look, I hear what you're saying, Rob,
And I never have even thought about anyone doing what
Trey Flowers did. I just read this today, But I wonder, Rob,
And remember we had I think we had a black
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and a white guy call up and say this, who
were both huge? Right? They said? There? One was six.
Maybe that's it. When you're that big and you're black,
people already may see you feel some sort of way
about you because you're black. But when you're huge, you
know what I mean, they may that may lead them
(36:34):
even more so to feel that. I don't know. But
one thing I want to bring up, Rob, and we
won't have time to get through it. But if you
if you haven't read the article, do you see the player,
whatever your race, go to Players Tribune dot com and
read matt Matthew Stafford's article. It was awesome and I
think it would be be good for everyone to read
(36:56):
and get his perspective on this. All right, we got
an out. We're left with the Eye couple. You know
what to do. Keep it locked
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