November 3, 2020 • 38 mins
It's The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob debate whether or not Bill Belichick is making excuses by blaming the New England Patriots' ugly start to the season on a lack of cap space and an inability to add talent, and tell us why the New Orleans Saints need to figure out a way to work things out with their superstar wide receiver Michael Thomas. Plus, FOX Sports 1070 Madison host Mike Heller swings by to explain why he's so frustrated that the Packers decided not to make a move for a wide receiver at the NFL trade deadline.
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If God is consin ten seventy you know him? Well?
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Are you just playing off his name? Yes? Yeah, Well
you know Aaron Um Alex, Alex Alex. Everything's not funny
there you go? All right, Uh, that's right, let's get
into it though. Um, you know what what's not funny, Rob,
How about this for a segue, is what's going on
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in New England. Don't look now, I'm just cliche riddled
in this segment. Don't look now. But the Patriots are
two and five and at the bottom, I mean, unless
you count the Jets of the NF the AFC East
just horrible and they look like, uh, they could be
in they're in serious danger of missing the playoffs. Let's
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just put it that way. Um, but they don't look good.
And Bill Belichick all of a sudden, all of a sudden,
Rob Parker, Bill Belichick is chatty. He's never been chatty
throughout his entire career, Chatti, Now right, not when you
won all those Super Bowls, or at least got there,
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Not when you were in Cleveland. That's I was there
in Cleveland, Rob. I was just a little old high
school reporter when he was playing with the when he
was coaching the Browns. But I followed it. And part
of the reason, like the media hated him there because
he just wouldn't give him anything, you know, and he
wasn't big old Bill Belichick at that time. I actually
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thought he was doing a pretty decent job. They got
mad at him because he didn't talk to him very much,
didn't give him anything. And also, you know Bernie Kosars
from Youngstown near that's northern Ohio, not too far from Cleveland.
And when he said Bernie had diminishing skills, he was right.
But nobody in Cleveland too kindly to that except me.
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I was the only person in the hole. You were hurt,
no pennies, I was. I was like, he's right, Bertie,
Bernie is losing it, and uh, you know, and he
had I think he had a pretty good year with
Vinnie there that I'm not positive, but I think that
might have been the one year they made the playoffs there.
But anyway, he never been chatty. Now all of a sudden,
he is. He was on your station, Rob your favorite.
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They love you up there at w EI in Boston.
Oh yeah, you're right, Brady, hate pay me up there.
I love to go up there and give him the
opposite viewpoint of time, Brady. But Belichick was on there,
and here's what he said. We take him a million dollars.
I mean, it's obviously we didn't have any money. It's
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nobody's fault. That's I mean, that's what we did. The
last five years. So we sold out and won three
Super Bowls, played in the fourth, and playing in an
ANFC championship game this year, we had less to work with.
It's not an excuse, it's just a fact. All right,
here's my take, Robber, And I know you want to
get in on this. I get what he's saying. And
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if he had a history of speaking like this, you know,
if all those years when they were great, he was
open with the media and talked about the cap and
talked about you know, his own players, not just praising
the opponent, but you know he was liked this. If
he was open, then I would be like, you know what,
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he's just telling the truth. But because he was so
close mouthed all those great years, because we've never in
my recollection and I'm going back to Cleveland heard Belichick
be this open, then rob I can't help but feel
like it sounds like you're making excuses. All of a sudden,
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the great Bill Belichick is two and five and Tom Brady,
who you seem like you didn't have any more use for,
has gone to Tampa Bay, and to this point he's thriving.
It's only halfway through the season, but to this point,
he looks like he's thirty three rather than forty three.
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He also got this same team. I mean, I know
they have lost some other players. I'll give him that.
I'll be fair. They lost some other players to COVID,
you know, decide not to play and things like that,
So I'll give him that. But they were twelve and
four last year, not really very good. But they were
twelve and four with Brady. So I'm just saying, with
all of that in the consideration round, it just sounds
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to me like he's making excuses to cover his back.
I think it's not excuse from this stampoint that the
stuff that he talked about was factual. I don't think
that they held any money back from Cam like, oh,
we don't want to pay him. I really believe that
that's what they were working with. And he was obviously
without a job, so I do understand that part. The
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only thing I would say in the Bill Belichick is
this is an old saying in the business, you know,
bills now saying hello when it's time to say goodbye.
You know, like like there are people like that. He
when when he was winning and things were going his way,
he didn't have to say anything. He could get away
with it, and you could, you know, you could, you
could get away with it, Chris, when you win and
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when you don't, you have to answer questions, you know,
like it's no mistique. It's just like it's hard to
press a guy who's winning championships, right, like what are
you gonna tell him? And what are you demanding to know?
What do you need to know? We want again? Now?
What what's the next question? You know what I mean? So? Yeah,
So that that's really where he is now. And you
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see this from guys who were in his situation where
and that's what I'm talking. That's the old saying about uh.
You know now you're saying when it's time to say goodbye,
you're saying hello because now things aren't going that well.
Now you got a little more time for me. Now
you want to explain a little you know what I mean,
stuff off the record right that you never gave me before,
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because I want to get your narrative and your story
out there. So it's an excuse. No, it's not an excuse,
but it is different and it's self serving, Chris, not
an excuse. They're self serving because it's not I think
what he's talking about being all in and all that
over the last few years to be able to do
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what they've done. I get all that, and the whole
notion that they didn't even want to give Tom Brady
the money, you know, like they didn't even offer from
a contract. They didn't want to give them the money.
So I don't think that that's an excuse. But this
is self serving to kind of lay your cards on
the table now when you never did it. You always did,
you always had your cards in the hole, right, and
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now all of a sudden, you got them all face
up and letting everybody see what your cards are. I
think I think that's self solved. That's my thing, Rob.
I mean, what he's said is absolutely legitimate, there's no
buts about that. But there are a lot of excuse
that are legitimate. You know, there's a fine line between
an excuse and an explanation. There really is, and this
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is a legitimate explanation. But as you said, because you've
never talked like this, you've never been this open. Now
it comes off, like you said, self serving and like
an excuse. And Rob, I'm gonna say it, and I'm
not you know this you gotta give me this. This
is not a second guess. I have said all along now,
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and I've always given Belichick his credit, and he is
a great coach, but I've always said it was Brady
more than Belichick. See, that's where I've not been on
I've not been on defence. That's why. That's why I disagree.
When you look at their defensive and what they were,
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I'm not trying to say it was all Brady. I've
never said that. I've never taken anything away from their defense.
But I just call it like I see it. And
Brady in all six of their championships, he led game
winning drives. It may have ended in a field goal,
but you didn't start in field goal position. He led
them to field goal, but he credited for They didn't
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give up any points in the fourth quarter, but they
gave up plenty of docs before that. They stopped the Rams.
That was the fifth They didn't Nick Foles. Well, they
stopped the Rams, the fifth gradest offense in the history
of the NFL, held them to a three to three
points and it was like an eighty nine yard field goal.
That's how close they got to score it. That's all
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they could get that was nice, but I mean he
didn't hold Nick Foles. He certainly didn't know that. But
he's not the first perfect though. I mean, I'm just
giving you like the lesson. Yeah, I think from him.
I'm saying this to me what we're seeing right now,
and it's her. I'll admit, it's only halfway through the season,
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and to be honest to most people, this chapter will
not be written this season. Even if New England's two
and fourteen and Brady wins the super Bowl, it won't
be written for and in fairness, it won't be written
because Belichick's got who knows how much longer he'll coach,
and maybe he'll go on to win super Bowls. But
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I'm saying, right now, the evidence rob a guy that's
got nine super Bowl trips, six super Bowl wins, and
yet the seven seasons and I'm not even counting this
year yet the seven seasons without Brady's got one playoff appear.
But but I just don't buy that when you look
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at the team that was put together that he won
without Brady when he was the defensive coordinator with the Giants,
that no, no, no, no, hold on, you just said
you just said you just said your peace. I okay.
When when they beat the Greatest Show on Turf, they
held that defense, held that RAMS team that was double
digit favorites in the Super Bowl, Chris, they they held
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them to thirteen points. So you can't act like Belichick
had nothing when a thirteen to three No, I'm talking
about the Rams of the greatest Show on turn in
that Super Bowl wasn't the score? Was the score thirteen
to three? No? What super Bowl you're talking about? The
last one, last one? No, the first to get ramsay
rob g look up that score. I think they scored
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thirteen and and and and they were double did people
had to I think they were twelve or thirteen point
favorites in that Super Bowl, and his defense shut down
the greatest show on Turf. They were running over everybody.
Um So, so when I look at that, you know,
it's hard for me to act like that didn't happen.
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And it's and I'm not saying that Brady didn't have
a hand. And they also had one of them, one
of the greatest kickers, who also wasn't involved. You could
lead it if the kicking Adam Mina Terry Missus three
field goals no one saying Tom Brady's the greatest quarterback
despite leading them down in position to get there, So
he had to have help. Why hasn't Belichick been able
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to win with any other I don't know. I think
it was bad. They had a bad team in Cleveland
and he was taking steps and they were moving forward.
I think they had made the play off step and
then they moved the team. Yeah. But but in New England,
Drew blads so is not chopped liver. Yeah, but I
don't know if I don't know if he had hold
of his defense as good as as once he got
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his defense together. Man, those those defensive teams were all
I know is he was the defensive coordinator in New
York before that you talk about, and they were they
were really good under him. And then he goes to
New England and they struggled with the same defense that
was always defense. A lot of player Lawrence Taylor lew
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was on that d Rob. He was five and he
won five games, five and eleven the first year, and
then he was just he was owing two. I'm just
abouting facts. I'm not but to hold that to make
it la that's not him, but you, but you don't
want to. Yeah he didn't have anything, but you don't
want to But you don't want to play he didn't
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have anything to do. I don't. But you don't want
to admit the greatest, great coach, but you don't want
to admit about how big the defense is with the Patriots.
I mean, I just gave you know you can look
at that team. The only thing I've said is that
if if I had to pick which one was more responsible,
that's it. I'm not saying the defense wasn't great. I've
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actually said Belichick's to go coach. So but I'm saying
Brady was more valuable. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, not
saying Belichick wasn't valuable. And I'm looking at when I
look at I don't I think it's indisputable. When I
look at Belichick's record without Tom Brady, it ain't pretty.
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When I look at Brady's numbers inside of Belichick. Like
the first Super Bowl they won, Tom Brady had won
one touchdown in the entire postseason. That's Super Bowl Rob,
that's the first. No, I'm just giving you that's how
it won. No, no, no, no, no. If that's the case,
Belichick has six super Bowls. I mean, if it's a
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short man, No, he does. And I never take those
away from him. I never. I'm just saying Brady was
more valuable. Brady went ten years when I wanted a
super Bowl ten Belichick. Okay, So I mean, but all that,
Brady come back and you win three out. Yeah. But
defense was the reason that those three championships happened. That's
what I'm trying to tell you. Go look at the
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numbers during that time and what they did. Brady had
six game winning drives in their Super Bowls, each of
those defensive games. Just if the defense doesn't shut the
three the last three Super Bowl teams out in the
fourth quarter, it wouldn't matter. That's what he gave. But
that's what gave Brady a chance to do it is
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that the defense stopped the points in the first half. No,
but the second half was yeero, you owe us in
the fourth quarter after that, Nah, they didn't give this.
They didn't give it Land anything in a second. That's
how they were able to win. No, Brady had to
put up points. They were down twenty five. No, but
you had to stop them if they But you got
to focus at one field goal. They would have us
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the shutout four quarter after giving up twenty eight in
the first two. Stanzas, No, that that's how That's what
you called making adjustments at the half and the safest
thing getting half of the rise for the first half
they had. They had three Super Bowls where they gave
up zero points in the fourth quarter. That's defense. Eight
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Is Bill Belichick all of a sudden he's a little chirpy,
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little chatty got more to say? Is he making excuses?
You'll turn away in all right, let's kick it off
with Joel in Sacramento. You're on the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Joel, So Chris, first time call.
I've been listening all three years and then two years.
I love is then Mann. Thank you Bro, Thank you Bro.
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We appreciate you. Hey, Rob, I just gotta say the
funniest thing you ever seen. I've been laughing about it
every every day. They're hard to pick it out. What
was when, uh, the last dance when you said the
five guys, the five guys they started the burger company
delivered the pizzas. Man, I've been laughing at that every day. Yeah,
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it was about to what you call it. You remember
they said five guys came to deliver the pizza to
Michael Jordan. Yeah, and then they waked up starting the
Hamburger spot because I didn't work ry. Okay, well, real quick,
I want to say, uh, Chris, you act like you
act like Tom Brady was drafted number one overall or
something like. You gotta remember he started off as a
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game manager, Belichick, one of those first couple of Super
Bowls with him just game. I couldn't he win it
without anybody else even if drew five. Did they make
the playoffs? Yeah? But Chris, they still want to eleven again.
Don't make it like that. That was a freaky year
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when they didn't make That's ridiculous. Come on, he didn't
make the postseason base that's ridiculous. Hey, Joel, that's Chris
should have went twelve. Got a thing for Tom. No,
I'm just saying go ahead, That's all I got to say. Really, thanks, Joel,
Appreciate you, thank you, and which appreciate the support. I
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need to get the Sacramento soon. Uh John and news
less sack and the sack sac Yes, what's going on? Mate?
You down under? No? No? I love New Zealand. When
I went down I ate as many lamb. I'm sorry,
Alex as much Lamb as I could when I was
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down here. Cool man. I hope you come down again
soon and we can go see All Blacks match. But guys,
I just can't miss the opportunity to call in because
I oh, man, I love your show, I really do,
and I love Worship Wednesday, and I love every chance
that I can to poke the to poke the duke
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of doubt. The marquess of contrariness is highness, the poo
poo king go ahead at the US away. Well, you
know that if I can refer back to the All
Black rugby team done here is maybe the greatest team
sport team in history. They had in that retired ye
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better than the Yankees. They I mean they had They
had a They had a captain that retired recently whose
winning percentage was like eighty nine percent, so you can
imagine he would go like eighty nine and eleven when
he captained. And what his coach has said that they
looked at the stats and every time he was on
the field, everybody got better buy one to two percent
every other player. And leadership is real, man, it really is.
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And I think what you what you's seeing is not
a denigration of of Belichick as a coach. But what
you're seeing is the effect of the leadership of Tom
Brady is he's gone somewhere else and everybody's performance has
started to rise. And yesterday, John, I mean that wasn't
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now I'm talking about last night. Yeah, yeah, so I
did fear it. But remember, improvement is not a straight line.
Improvement is a gradual, over time increase of performance. And
the fact that that you can win ugly is of
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a successful a team, no matter what sport it is. Yes,
all right, John, we appreciate you one man, very sound
and the phone is so clear down there, very nice.
He doesn't have hu Yeah, how is it? It's beautiful.
They're more sheep than people down there. Seriously, Yes, Alex,
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you would love it down there, plenty of fir. I
would have a whole ranch just me and then Rob. Yeah,
you could just play around with the lamb. Child, I
mean with the lamb. How dare you? They don't go
to school? That's right, Pat and Saint Louis. You're on
the eye couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up? Uh, Chris?
I don't know how you do it? Man? With Rob,
I gotta give you. I gotta give you a lot
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of props. So, so here's what I want to go.
I got to say, Pat, that's why what are you
are you calling on behalf of my ex wife. I'm
gonna get one hundred right now. Okay, So here's the deal.
They both needed each other. Don't get me wrong, they
both I would agree with that. But here's the bottom line.
I want to ask. I want to ask Rob Parkers this.
You ain't got twenty seconds to look it up and
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google it. Twenty years Brady was there? Name is best
running backs? Uh, Sony Michelle. Okay, that's a good one. Okay.
Outside of that time with Randy Moss in about a
three or four years, fans, name is receivers that were toppen. Yeah,
but how could you say without why? But why are
we pooh poohing Randy Moss? I mean remember that, remember
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that game? You remember that Super Bowl? Thank you, Chris.
I know, no, I'm not. I'm mean no, it's I'm not.
Randy Moss was there, right, Don't get me wrong. He
he helped Brady. But outside of that, there there were
sixteen other years where he had the branches and the
Amadola's notes, guys. And the other thing is I wanted
to dispute me the defense. So so Rob wants to
talk about that defense in the second half against the Falcons, right,
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not just the Falcons, the last three Super Bowls they
have been given up a point. All right, let me
and the Eagles. You know, in the fourth quarter, foes
do we lose? We cut? We cut d y'all cold
bloody man. Don't be mad at me. Don't be mad
at Chris. It wasn't us. They're lying. Rob Parker drops
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all the calls. Se rod g is on a power trip.
I don't know why, but he's on a power trip.
And we ain't trying to get fired Chris. Look, we
got our live We got our man, Mike Heller coming
up now when he was doing those other shows because
nobody called in and have to worry about. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris
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Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app.
The host of The Mike Heller Show on ten seventy
and Madison, Wisconsin, Mike Heller, Welcome to the Eye couple. Brother,
what's happened boys? You guys, you guys are the best.
I've been listening and I'm supposed to kind of be
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doing a little bit of work and and I'm not
because I've just been listening to your debate about the
New England Patriots and that marriage that was Belichick and
Brady right, And my goodness, I know you got an opinion. Well,
thank you for the compliment, first of all, but I
know you have an opinion on it. So where are
you at on Brady Belichick? Well, I don't think five
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wins in Green Bay without homegrin, And I don't think
early that Rogers wins without McCarthy, and I think he
would have won without McCarthy late. I think it's marriages.
I think it's Lombardian star, and I think it's Belichick
and Brady, and I think to argue that one would
have done it without the other is silly. I think
Belichick's the greatest coach of all time, and that marriage
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of Belichick and Brady helps to make Brady the greatest
quarterback of all time. And I don't think either one
of them gets that without the other. But what and
I get I agree that they needed each other, and
both of them are arguably the goats at their various positions. However,
Brady and we don't know, we'll see how this year ends.
But Belichick's track record with Al Brady is not pretty.
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That's all I'm saying. It's ugly. Yeah, that's and there's
no arguing that. And but you know Brady is doing.
Brady is doing what a little bit of what Lebron
or even Katy did. He's got a hell of a
cast around him right now. And it's hard to grade
Brady on what Brady's doing without saying, look at who
he's throwing something and look at who he's got to
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make household. Now it's come you know that, Chris up So,
I just I'm a truth teller. Mike, No, No, you do. Guys,
then you wish you wish you were you choose my butt.
I wish I wish I was that fair. But anyway,
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to the Packers. About the Packers, we were talking earlier
our first segment of the show. Look, they're still a
good team, obviously, but I would have liked to have
seen him add something to help Aaron Rodgers. The defense
looks a little soft at times you couldn't you he
was another receiver. I get with will Fuller. I think
it would have helped a lot, but I get that
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he'll be a free agent. We think that they've taken
the Rodgers for great at least I do. I don't
want to speak for Rob we I think they've taken
Rodgers for granted, and they seem to be content to
be good, relevant a threat, but I don't think they're
giving him the best shot at getting him back to
the Super Bowl? Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong.
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And they just missed Chris. I mean they missed three
years ago. They traded out late in the first round
and passed on t J. Watt and took Kevin King
and then got a linebacker in the fourth round that's
not in Green Bay anymore. They missed a year ago
when they take Rashawn Gary out of Michigan number twelve overall,
and he's just a guy right now. So they've missed.
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And the two year point about I don't know that.
We're not in the room, so we don't know what
will Fuller would have cost them, but it appears to
have been too much in Houston. Leverage back because they'll
get a compensit to pick when he signs somewhere else
as a free agent. But Kyle Sanahan told ARM Media
today on the call in advance of Pators forty nine
ers that he doesn't think they get to the super
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Bowl last year without Emmanuel Sanders in the mid season
trade acquisition. And that's where I got a little heated
today because I wish Green Bay would have done that.
I don't you know, we always care about the horizon
when it gets here. They have to care about the
horizon now. But I think with two years left with
Aaron Rodgers now a year and a half in Green Bay,
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I wanted them to go ahead. And yeah, it might
be a little reckless to go get will Fuller right now,
but you're gonna have to outscore people because you can't
stop anybody. So you've got to be better offensively than
Seattle is. And the Packers number two receiver would have
been will Fuller. Instead, it's Alan Lazard coming back from
the core muscle injury, and he's good, but he's not
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will Fuller, who was in charge. We understand the team
is publicly owned, and I said this is one of
the problems with the Packers is that there's no I
know there's a chairman that runs the organization, but it's
not like having an owner like other teams, where you
can kind of point the finger and what are you
doing and you need to do this or do that.
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The Packers seem to be headless. Who runs the Packers, Well,
it's a fair question. They reorganized the flow chart a
year and a half ago when Mike McCarthy was shown
the door. So now Mark Murphy, the former Redskin safety.
Mark Murphy has been in Green Bay a long time.
He's the de facto report to Brian Goodacoots is the GM.
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But most people will tell you that Mark Murphy is
involved in the football decisions. I think he was involved
in hiring. I think he was. I think he made
the decision to hire Matt Lafleur, and that has turned
out to be very good. Lafleur's first season and a
half has been spectacular. But I also think he was
involved in making the decision on Jordan Love in that
first round selection. Goodacoots was the he pulled the trigger.
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I think Murphy was complicit or on board with that. Too.
Complicit makes it sound like it's wrong because I don't
know if it'll be wrong yet, but yeah, I think
Mark Murphy is He's the report two guy in Green Bay. Yes, Mike.
How confident are fans up there, even the media up
there that this team cannot only you know, win the division,
(29:20):
go to the playoffs and make a little noise, but
actually get to and win the Super Bowl. Yeah, they're
not confident, Chris. Because of the loss at Tampa. You know,
some people are gonna point to what happened Sunday against
the Vikings. I think that was an anomaly, but people
are not going to forget and be able to forget
about what happened to Tampa two and a half weeks ago,
(29:44):
because it happened last year against the forty nine ers,
where you got run out of the building in the
regular season, you find a way to get back to
play them again in the NFC Championship game, and a
lot of us thought it was going to be different
and it wasn't different at all. So that fear factor
hangs over Packers ends because they think they're gonna run
into Tampa again. I don't. I don't think Green Bay.
(30:05):
I think Green Bay could beat any other team in
the NFC. In January but I think there's a lot
of people that don't think that they could beat Tampa
in January. Yeah, I'm not so sure about that. Let's
ask you. You also had a Wisconsin ad Barry Alvarez
was on your show talking about the COVID outbreak and
that they don't have their arms around the problem and
(30:26):
that is still not under control. What's going on there Wisconsin. Well,
I don't know that they're gonna I think they'll be
able to get it corralled in time to play ten
days from now in Michigan, eleven days from now at Michigan.
The problem is Rob is that they don't have any
more wiggle room, and that's not their fault necessarily. That's
the Big Ten. The Big Ten made the huge mistake
(30:48):
of trying to go eight for eight, eight weeks, eight games,
no knowing that there could be games. Well, Chris and
I talked about this with the NFL. If you made
a twelve game season and gave yourself some spe you
know what I mean, and you can make up games.
And originally the comeback date was going to be October seventeenth,
and it left a week of buffer in case this happened. Well,
(31:11):
they didn't have. If they need two weeks and they
can't do that, you know four and miss two games.
I made one of them up already. Wisconsin is gonna
miss two. But the problem is that's two strikes in
the league. That says you got to play six games
to play in the Big Ten Championship. If they get
another strike, not of their own doings, but let's say
they play Iowa and they are late in the season
in Iowa, nowtbreak and they can't play, then Wisconsin will
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be That'll be their third strikes. They'll be out of
any Big Ten championship. And that's bad for the league
because the league wants Ohio State to play Wisconsin, two
top eleven, top ten teams in the country. They want
those two to meet. They don't want Ohio State to
play a two lost Northwestern or a two lost Iowa
in the Big Ten championship game. That doesn't look good.
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And that's the past they might be on. Tell Wisconsin
to get the Michigan asap. They can win that game
with nine player right if they just said anybody to Michigan.
And one last thing, I want to say, my buddy
who and Chris knows him as well is the main
news anchor at Channel's twenty seven there, George Smith. Yes,
(32:15):
George and I went to Comby at Jay School together,
and Chris went to college with George. We know Georgian
very well. Show. We did a podcast from him and
a Mon Greene, the former packer. Yeah, George, he's a
good dude. We're glad to have him here. We're lucky
to have him here. Oh, absolutely, say hello next time
you talk to him. A guy born in Harlem doing
(32:36):
the news and Madison, Wisconsin, My great stuff. Many thanks
a lot. Well, good to talk to you, all right, brother,
all right. It is the Eye Couple, Chris and Rob
and what NFC team is having problems with their best player.
We'll get into that next. It is Christ and Rob
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It's the I Couple, Christ and Rob on an election
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Studios and Rob I'm watching so I have Fox on
(33:18):
one Channel, Fox News and CNN on the other on
TV two TVs. And it's it's interesting because they both
appear to be getting their information from different people, different sorts,
you know, Like for instance, Um, Fox I believe has
Biden ahead on the electoral votes and CNN has Trump ahead. Yeah.
(33:45):
Fox has Biden ahead ninety one seventy three and CNN
has Trump ahead forty two thirty. Yeah, a little behind,
but they're getting them, you know what I mean. Like,
but it just depends on who they have people who
call the states. So CNN might not be ready to
call a certain state, but Fox feels confident to call,
(34:05):
you know what I mean. Yeah, And they better be
careful tonight calling the states. Yeah, that's what because I
remember the one my wife when I was married watching
was the George Bush and Florida when originally they gave
it to al Gore. Yea, and then they took it
off the board. And I remember that night. I was like, oh,
that's bad news, you know, Like, what do you mean
that they took it off you know what I mean?
(34:27):
Because it was called for al Gore? If you remember,
I do remember a thousand I do remember that? Well
ye all right, well, um you you asked a few
of our guests this question, or at least one of them,
about Michael Thomas, and the great receiver for the New
Orleans Saints has played one game this year. We know
he had the injury, and then he you know, had
(34:50):
another injury, I think a hamstring. But Rob, this is
getting odd because I think he's I think he's ready
to play. I don't know, nobody seems to really know
what's full league going on there, but there have been
reports that he's got an attitude problem and some of
even said, is this going the way of Antonio Brown?
(35:11):
That might not be fair to say that, but they
gotta figure this out. Now. For the good news for
Saints fans, Rob, is that they're five and two, and
while they have gotten world beaters, they've yeah, they've played
well enough obviously to be five and two, and they've
beating some pretty good teams. And so when they get
(35:33):
him back, I mean, it should really be they should
be much improved. And I think, Rob, they gotta figure
this out. They just gave him, what a year or
two ago, a five year, one hundred million dollar contract extension.
Now I'm not saying you can't trade him, but you
got a guy that you're paying that much money to
(35:53):
who's that good and who presumably is ready to play
get him on the field. Yeah, it just seems you know,
when you look at what he did last year, Chris,
to go from that to nothing, do you know what
I mean, Like it's shocking, like whetic last year. I mean,
(36:14):
he was unstoppable on machine and now you know, it
just seemed like, you know, what happened here? Like how
was he not there? But you're right, the saving grace
is that they're five and two, that they did win.
They're not two and five without him. They're five and two,
and when they get him back, he will bolster that
(36:35):
offense and make them, you know, more whole again than
they have been. So it's interesting. I don't know, it
just seems like a weird story. And I never bought
the story about the altercation with the teammate and that
was the reason he wasn't play. Has to be bigger
than that. I don't think that was that was, But
(36:55):
I'm saying, normally, there's got to be a little bit
more than that not to play. People getting squirmishes you notice, well,
I guess they the coaches or you know, something like that.
Rob g you got some Adam Schefter, What was he
reporting about this? Yeah, he was on ESPN's Countdown yesterday
and he talked about the situation and the like. You
(37:16):
mentioned the unusualness surrounding his injury, And one thing that
Schefter said on the broadcast is that things still may
not be entirely cool between the Saints and the and
Michael Thomas because of the way that they you know,
you know the teams that they didn't suspend him, they
were just finding him and sitting him out of game.
But I guess that he's still is not happy with
(37:37):
the way it was handled. They're not happy they didn't
apologize right away. So there's still a little bit of
tension there in the building and back right probably like
why are you taking my money? Well, because it looked
there clearly is something going on, because if not, he'd
be out there playing, period, And so I just think
(38:00):
it behooves you as an organization to get this figured out.
You're paying him all this money. Now, I know you
may be finding him, but still you paid him all
this money. He's locked up for the next several years.
You don't want to throw him into late and I
know it's still only halfway through the season, and he's
a great player who can help you, and he and Breeze,
I get it, they've been great in the past together.
(38:22):
But you still want to get him out there together.
You know, you don't want him coming in too late
in the season. If he's able to play. It's one
thing if he's legitimately injured, but you gotta get him
out there and you know, get him reacclimated to Breeze
and to playing and all that. Look, I think they
still got plenty of time, but they need to get
(38:43):
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(01:07):
Are you just playing off his name? Yes? Yeah, Well
you know Aaron Um Alex, Alex Alex. Everything's not funny
there you go? All right, Uh, that's right, let's get
into it though. Um, you know what what's not funny, Rob,
How about this for a segue, is what's going on
(01:29):
in New England. Don't look now, I'm just cliche riddled
in this segment. Don't look now. But the Patriots are
two and five and at the bottom, I mean, unless
you count the Jets of the NF the AFC East
just horrible and they look like, uh, they could be
in they're in serious danger of missing the playoffs. Let's
(01:51):
just put it that way. Um, but they don't look good.
And Bill Belichick all of a sudden, all of a sudden,
Rob Parker, Bill Belichick is chatty. He's never been chatty
throughout his entire career, Chatti, Now right, not when you
won all those Super Bowls, or at least got there,
(02:13):
Not when you were in Cleveland. That's I was there
in Cleveland, Rob. I was just a little old high
school reporter when he was playing with the when he
was coaching the Browns. But I followed it. And part
of the reason, like the media hated him there because
he just wouldn't give him anything, you know, and he
wasn't big old Bill Belichick at that time. I actually
(02:34):
thought he was doing a pretty decent job. They got
mad at him because he didn't talk to him very much,
didn't give him anything. And also, you know Bernie Kosars
from Youngstown near that's northern Ohio, not too far from Cleveland.
And when he said Bernie had diminishing skills, he was right.
But nobody in Cleveland too kindly to that except me.
(02:57):
I was the only person in the hole. You were hurt,
no pennies, I was. I was like, he's right, Bertie,
Bernie is losing it, and uh, you know, and he
had I think he had a pretty good year with
Vinnie there that I'm not positive, but I think that
might have been the one year they made the playoffs there.
But anyway, he never been chatty. Now all of a sudden,
he is. He was on your station, Rob your favorite.
(03:20):
They love you up there at w EI in Boston.
Oh yeah, you're right, Brady, hate pay me up there.
I love to go up there and give him the
opposite viewpoint of time, Brady. But Belichick was on there,
and here's what he said. We take him a million dollars.
I mean, it's obviously we didn't have any money. It's
(03:41):
nobody's fault. That's I mean, that's what we did. The
last five years. So we sold out and won three
Super Bowls, played in the fourth, and playing in an
ANFC championship game this year, we had less to work with.
It's not an excuse, it's just a fact. All right,
here's my take, Robber, And I know you want to
get in on this. I get what he's saying. And
(04:03):
if he had a history of speaking like this, you know,
if all those years when they were great, he was
open with the media and talked about the cap and
talked about you know, his own players, not just praising
the opponent, but you know he was liked this. If
he was open, then I would be like, you know what,
(04:24):
he's just telling the truth. But because he was so
close mouthed all those great years, because we've never in
my recollection and I'm going back to Cleveland heard Belichick
be this open, then rob I can't help but feel
like it sounds like you're making excuses. All of a sudden,
(04:47):
the great Bill Belichick is two and five and Tom Brady,
who you seem like you didn't have any more use for,
has gone to Tampa Bay, and to this point he's thriving.
It's only halfway through the season, but to this point,
he looks like he's thirty three rather than forty three.
(05:10):
He also got this same team. I mean, I know
they have lost some other players. I'll give him that.
I'll be fair. They lost some other players to COVID,
you know, decide not to play and things like that,
So I'll give him that. But they were twelve and
four last year, not really very good. But they were
twelve and four with Brady. So I'm just saying, with
all of that in the consideration round, it just sounds
(05:31):
to me like he's making excuses to cover his back.
I think it's not excuse from this stampoint that the
stuff that he talked about was factual. I don't think
that they held any money back from Cam like, oh,
we don't want to pay him. I really believe that
that's what they were working with. And he was obviously
without a job, so I do understand that part. The
(05:54):
only thing I would say in the Bill Belichick is
this is an old saying in the business, you know,
bills now saying hello when it's time to say goodbye.
You know, like like there are people like that. He
when when he was winning and things were going his way,
he didn't have to say anything. He could get away
with it, and you could, you know, you could, you
could get away with it, Chris, when you win and
(06:16):
when you don't, you have to answer questions, you know,
like it's no mistique. It's just like it's hard to
press a guy who's winning championships, right, like what are
you gonna tell him? And what are you demanding to know?
What do you need to know? We want again? Now?
What what's the next question? You know what I mean? So? Yeah,
So that that's really where he is now. And you
(06:39):
see this from guys who were in his situation where
and that's what I'm talking. That's the old saying about uh.
You know now you're saying when it's time to say goodbye,
you're saying hello because now things aren't going that well.
Now you got a little more time for me. Now
you want to explain a little you know what I mean,
stuff off the record right that you never gave me before,
(07:01):
because I want to get your narrative and your story
out there. So it's an excuse. No, it's not an excuse,
but it is different and it's self serving, Chris, not
an excuse. They're self serving because it's not I think
what he's talking about being all in and all that
over the last few years to be able to do
(07:23):
what they've done. I get all that, and the whole
notion that they didn't even want to give Tom Brady
the money, you know, like they didn't even offer from
a contract. They didn't want to give them the money.
So I don't think that that's an excuse. But this
is self serving to kind of lay your cards on
the table now when you never did it. You always did,
you always had your cards in the hole, right, and
(07:44):
now all of a sudden, you got them all face
up and letting everybody see what your cards are. I
think I think that's self solved. That's my thing, Rob.
I mean, what he's said is absolutely legitimate, there's no
buts about that. But there are a lot of excuse
that are legitimate. You know, there's a fine line between
an excuse and an explanation. There really is, and this
(08:10):
is a legitimate explanation. But as you said, because you've
never talked like this, you've never been this open. Now
it comes off, like you said, self serving and like
an excuse. And Rob, I'm gonna say it, and I'm
not you know this you gotta give me this. This
is not a second guess. I have said all along now,
(08:35):
and I've always given Belichick his credit, and he is
a great coach, but I've always said it was Brady
more than Belichick. See, that's where I've not been on
I've not been on defence. That's why. That's why I disagree.
When you look at their defensive and what they were,
(08:55):
I'm not trying to say it was all Brady. I've
never said that. I've never taken anything away from their defense.
But I just call it like I see it. And
Brady in all six of their championships, he led game
winning drives. It may have ended in a field goal,
but you didn't start in field goal position. He led
them to field goal, but he credited for They didn't
(09:19):
give up any points in the fourth quarter, but they
gave up plenty of docs before that. They stopped the Rams.
That was the fifth They didn't Nick Foles. Well, they
stopped the Rams, the fifth gradest offense in the history
of the NFL, held them to a three to three
points and it was like an eighty nine yard field goal.
That's how close they got to score it. That's all
(09:40):
they could get that was nice, but I mean he
didn't hold Nick Foles. He certainly didn't know that. But
he's not the first perfect though. I mean, I'm just
giving you like the lesson. Yeah, I think from him.
I'm saying this to me what we're seeing right now,
and it's her. I'll admit, it's only halfway through the season,
(10:01):
and to be honest to most people, this chapter will
not be written this season. Even if New England's two
and fourteen and Brady wins the super Bowl, it won't
be written for and in fairness, it won't be written
because Belichick's got who knows how much longer he'll coach,
and maybe he'll go on to win super Bowls. But
(10:23):
I'm saying, right now, the evidence rob a guy that's
got nine super Bowl trips, six super Bowl wins, and
yet the seven seasons and I'm not even counting this
year yet the seven seasons without Brady's got one playoff appear.
But but I just don't buy that when you look
(10:45):
at the team that was put together that he won
without Brady when he was the defensive coordinator with the Giants,
that no, no, no, no, hold on, you just said
you just said you just said your peace. I okay.
When when they beat the Greatest Show on Turf, they
held that defense, held that RAMS team that was double
digit favorites in the Super Bowl, Chris, they they held
(11:09):
them to thirteen points. So you can't act like Belichick
had nothing when a thirteen to three No, I'm talking
about the Rams of the greatest Show on turn in
that Super Bowl wasn't the score? Was the score thirteen
to three? No? What super Bowl you're talking about? The
last one, last one? No, the first to get ramsay
rob g look up that score. I think they scored
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thirteen and and and and they were double did people
had to I think they were twelve or thirteen point
favorites in that Super Bowl, and his defense shut down
the greatest show on Turf. They were running over everybody.
Um So, so when I look at that, you know,
it's hard for me to act like that didn't happen.
(11:50):
And it's and I'm not saying that Brady didn't have
a hand. And they also had one of them, one
of the greatest kickers, who also wasn't involved. You could
lead it if the kicking Adam Mina Terry Missus three
field goals no one saying Tom Brady's the greatest quarterback
despite leading them down in position to get there, So
he had to have help. Why hasn't Belichick been able
(12:13):
to win with any other I don't know. I think
it was bad. They had a bad team in Cleveland
and he was taking steps and they were moving forward.
I think they had made the play off step and
then they moved the team. Yeah. But but in New England,
Drew blads so is not chopped liver. Yeah, but I
don't know if I don't know if he had hold
of his defense as good as as once he got
(12:36):
his defense together. Man, those those defensive teams were all
I know is he was the defensive coordinator in New
York before that you talk about, and they were they
were really good under him. And then he goes to
New England and they struggled with the same defense that
was always defense. A lot of player Lawrence Taylor lew
(13:00):
was on that d Rob. He was five and he
won five games, five and eleven the first year, and
then he was just he was owing two. I'm just
abouting facts. I'm not but to hold that to make
it la that's not him, but you, but you don't
want to. Yeah he didn't have anything, but you don't
want to But you don't want to play he didn't
(13:20):
have anything to do. I don't. But you don't want
to admit the greatest, great coach, but you don't want
to admit about how big the defense is with the Patriots.
I mean, I just gave you know you can look
at that team. The only thing I've said is that
if if I had to pick which one was more responsible,
that's it. I'm not saying the defense wasn't great. I've
(13:41):
actually said Belichick's to go coach. So but I'm saying
Brady was more valuable. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, not
saying Belichick wasn't valuable. And I'm looking at when I
look at I don't I think it's indisputable. When I
look at Belichick's record without Tom Brady, it ain't pretty.
(14:02):
When I look at Brady's numbers inside of Belichick. Like
the first Super Bowl they won, Tom Brady had won
one touchdown in the entire postseason. That's Super Bowl Rob,
that's the first. No, I'm just giving you that's how
it won. No, no, no, no, no. If that's the case,
Belichick has six super Bowls. I mean, if it's a
(14:23):
short man, No, he does. And I never take those
away from him. I never. I'm just saying Brady was
more valuable. Brady went ten years when I wanted a
super Bowl ten Belichick. Okay, So I mean, but all that,
Brady come back and you win three out. Yeah. But
defense was the reason that those three championships happened. That's
what I'm trying to tell you. Go look at the
(14:45):
numbers during that time and what they did. Brady had
six game winning drives in their Super Bowls, each of
those defensive games. Just if the defense doesn't shut the
three the last three Super Bowl teams out in the
fourth quarter, it wouldn't matter. That's what he gave. But
that's what gave Brady a chance to do it is
(15:07):
that the defense stopped the points in the first half. No,
but the second half was yeero, you owe us in
the fourth quarter after that, Nah, they didn't give this.
They didn't give it Land anything in a second. That's
how they were able to win. No, Brady had to
put up points. They were down twenty five. No, but
you had to stop them if they But you got
to focus at one field goal. They would have us
(15:28):
the shutout four quarter after giving up twenty eight in
the first two. Stanzas, No, that that's how That's what
you called making adjustments at the half and the safest
thing getting half of the rise for the first half
they had. They had three Super Bowls where they gave
up zero points in the fourth quarter. That's defense. Eight
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Is Bill Belichick all of a sudden he's a little chirpy,
(16:56):
little chatty got more to say? Is he making excuses?
You'll turn away in all right, let's kick it off
with Joel in Sacramento. You're on the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Joel, So Chris, first time call.
I've been listening all three years and then two years.
I love is then Mann. Thank you Bro, Thank you Bro.
(17:19):
We appreciate you. Hey, Rob, I just gotta say the
funniest thing you ever seen. I've been laughing about it
every every day. They're hard to pick it out. What
was when, uh, the last dance when you said the
five guys, the five guys they started the burger company
delivered the pizzas. Man, I've been laughing at that every day. Yeah,
(17:43):
it was about to what you call it. You remember
they said five guys came to deliver the pizza to
Michael Jordan. Yeah, and then they waked up starting the
Hamburger spot because I didn't work ry. Okay, well, real quick,
I want to say, uh, Chris, you act like you
act like Tom Brady was drafted number one overall or
something like. You gotta remember he started off as a
(18:05):
game manager, Belichick, one of those first couple of Super
Bowls with him just game. I couldn't he win it
without anybody else even if drew five. Did they make
the playoffs? Yeah? But Chris, they still want to eleven again.
Don't make it like that. That was a freaky year
(18:26):
when they didn't make That's ridiculous. Come on, he didn't
make the postseason base that's ridiculous. Hey, Joel, that's Chris
should have went twelve. Got a thing for Tom. No,
I'm just saying go ahead, That's all I got to say. Really, thanks, Joel,
Appreciate you, thank you, and which appreciate the support. I
(18:46):
need to get the Sacramento soon. Uh John and news
less sack and the sack sac Yes, what's going on? Mate?
You down under? No? No? I love New Zealand. When
I went down I ate as many lamb. I'm sorry,
Alex as much Lamb as I could when I was
(19:06):
down here. Cool man. I hope you come down again
soon and we can go see All Blacks match. But guys,
I just can't miss the opportunity to call in because
I oh, man, I love your show, I really do,
and I love Worship Wednesday, and I love every chance
that I can to poke the to poke the duke
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of doubt. The marquess of contrariness is highness, the poo
poo king go ahead at the US away. Well, you
know that if I can refer back to the All
Black rugby team done here is maybe the greatest team
sport team in history. They had in that retired ye
(19:53):
better than the Yankees. They I mean they had They
had a They had a captain that retired recently whose
winning percentage was like eighty nine percent, so you can
imagine he would go like eighty nine and eleven when
he captained. And what his coach has said that they
looked at the stats and every time he was on
the field, everybody got better buy one to two percent
every other player. And leadership is real, man, it really is.
(20:16):
And I think what you what you's seeing is not
a denigration of of Belichick as a coach. But what
you're seeing is the effect of the leadership of Tom
Brady is he's gone somewhere else and everybody's performance has
started to rise. And yesterday, John, I mean that wasn't
(20:41):
now I'm talking about last night. Yeah, yeah, so I
did fear it. But remember, improvement is not a straight line.
Improvement is a gradual, over time increase of performance. And
the fact that that you can win ugly is of
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a successful a team, no matter what sport it is. Yes,
all right, John, we appreciate you one man, very sound
and the phone is so clear down there, very nice.
He doesn't have hu Yeah, how is it? It's beautiful.
They're more sheep than people down there. Seriously, Yes, Alex,
(21:22):
you would love it down there, plenty of fir. I
would have a whole ranch just me and then Rob. Yeah,
you could just play around with the lamb. Child, I
mean with the lamb. How dare you? They don't go
to school? That's right, Pat and Saint Louis. You're on
the eye couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up? Uh, Chris?
I don't know how you do it? Man? With Rob,
I gotta give you. I gotta give you a lot
(21:43):
of props. So, so here's what I want to go.
I got to say, Pat, that's why what are you
are you calling on behalf of my ex wife. I'm
gonna get one hundred right now. Okay, So here's the deal.
They both needed each other. Don't get me wrong, they
both I would agree with that. But here's the bottom line.
I want to ask. I want to ask Rob Parkers this.
You ain't got twenty seconds to look it up and
(22:04):
google it. Twenty years Brady was there? Name is best
running backs? Uh, Sony Michelle. Okay, that's a good one. Okay.
Outside of that time with Randy Moss in about a
three or four years, fans, name is receivers that were toppen. Yeah,
but how could you say without why? But why are
we pooh poohing Randy Moss? I mean remember that, remember
(22:29):
that game? You remember that Super Bowl? Thank you, Chris.
I know, no, I'm not. I'm mean no, it's I'm not.
Randy Moss was there, right, Don't get me wrong. He
he helped Brady. But outside of that, there there were
sixteen other years where he had the branches and the
Amadola's notes, guys. And the other thing is I wanted
to dispute me the defense. So so Rob wants to
talk about that defense in the second half against the Falcons, right,
(22:51):
not just the Falcons, the last three Super Bowls they
have been given up a point. All right, let me
and the Eagles. You know, in the fourth quarter, foes
do we lose? We cut? We cut d y'all cold
bloody man. Don't be mad at me. Don't be mad
at Chris. It wasn't us. They're lying. Rob Parker drops
(23:12):
all the calls. Se rod g is on a power trip.
I don't know why, but he's on a power trip.
And we ain't trying to get fired Chris. Look, we
got our live We got our man, Mike Heller coming
up now when he was doing those other shows because
nobody called in and have to worry about. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris
(23:32):
Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app.
The host of The Mike Heller Show on ten seventy
and Madison, Wisconsin, Mike Heller, Welcome to the Eye couple. Brother,
what's happened boys? You guys, you guys are the best.
I've been listening and I'm supposed to kind of be
(23:52):
doing a little bit of work and and I'm not
because I've just been listening to your debate about the
New England Patriots and that marriage that was Belichick and
Brady right, And my goodness, I know you got an opinion. Well,
thank you for the compliment, first of all, but I
know you have an opinion on it. So where are
you at on Brady Belichick? Well, I don't think five
(24:13):
wins in Green Bay without homegrin, And I don't think
early that Rogers wins without McCarthy, and I think he
would have won without McCarthy late. I think it's marriages.
I think it's Lombardian star, and I think it's Belichick
and Brady, and I think to argue that one would
have done it without the other is silly. I think
Belichick's the greatest coach of all time, and that marriage
(24:35):
of Belichick and Brady helps to make Brady the greatest
quarterback of all time. And I don't think either one
of them gets that without the other. But what and
I get I agree that they needed each other, and
both of them are arguably the goats at their various positions. However,
Brady and we don't know, we'll see how this year ends.
But Belichick's track record with Al Brady is not pretty.
(24:58):
That's all I'm saying. It's ugly. Yeah, that's and there's
no arguing that. And but you know Brady is doing.
Brady is doing what a little bit of what Lebron
or even Katy did. He's got a hell of a
cast around him right now. And it's hard to grade
Brady on what Brady's doing without saying, look at who
he's throwing something and look at who he's got to
(25:20):
make household. Now it's come you know that, Chris up So,
I just I'm a truth teller. Mike, No, No, you do. Guys,
then you wish you wish you were you choose my butt.
I wish I wish I was that fair. But anyway,
(25:43):
to the Packers. About the Packers, we were talking earlier
our first segment of the show. Look, they're still a
good team, obviously, but I would have liked to have
seen him add something to help Aaron Rodgers. The defense
looks a little soft at times you couldn't you he
was another receiver. I get with will Fuller. I think
it would have helped a lot, but I get that
(26:03):
he'll be a free agent. We think that they've taken
the Rodgers for great at least I do. I don't
want to speak for Rob we I think they've taken
Rodgers for granted, and they seem to be content to
be good, relevant a threat, but I don't think they're
giving him the best shot at getting him back to
the Super Bowl? Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong.
(26:26):
And they just missed Chris. I mean they missed three
years ago. They traded out late in the first round
and passed on t J. Watt and took Kevin King
and then got a linebacker in the fourth round that's
not in Green Bay anymore. They missed a year ago
when they take Rashawn Gary out of Michigan number twelve overall,
and he's just a guy right now. So they've missed.
(26:48):
And the two year point about I don't know that.
We're not in the room, so we don't know what
will Fuller would have cost them, but it appears to
have been too much in Houston. Leverage back because they'll
get a compensit to pick when he signs somewhere else
as a free agent. But Kyle Sanahan told ARM Media
today on the call in advance of Pators forty nine
ers that he doesn't think they get to the super
(27:10):
Bowl last year without Emmanuel Sanders in the mid season
trade acquisition. And that's where I got a little heated
today because I wish Green Bay would have done that.
I don't you know, we always care about the horizon
when it gets here. They have to care about the
horizon now. But I think with two years left with
Aaron Rodgers now a year and a half in Green Bay,
(27:31):
I wanted them to go ahead. And yeah, it might
be a little reckless to go get will Fuller right now,
but you're gonna have to outscore people because you can't
stop anybody. So you've got to be better offensively than
Seattle is. And the Packers number two receiver would have
been will Fuller. Instead, it's Alan Lazard coming back from
the core muscle injury, and he's good, but he's not
(27:53):
will Fuller, who was in charge. We understand the team
is publicly owned, and I said this is one of
the problems with the Packers is that there's no I
know there's a chairman that runs the organization, but it's
not like having an owner like other teams, where you
can kind of point the finger and what are you
doing and you need to do this or do that.
(28:15):
The Packers seem to be headless. Who runs the Packers, Well,
it's a fair question. They reorganized the flow chart a
year and a half ago when Mike McCarthy was shown
the door. So now Mark Murphy, the former Redskin safety.
Mark Murphy has been in Green Bay a long time.
He's the de facto report to Brian Goodacoots is the GM.
(28:35):
But most people will tell you that Mark Murphy is
involved in the football decisions. I think he was involved
in hiring. I think he was. I think he made
the decision to hire Matt Lafleur, and that has turned
out to be very good. Lafleur's first season and a
half has been spectacular. But I also think he was
involved in making the decision on Jordan Love in that
first round selection. Goodacoots was the he pulled the trigger.
(29:00):
I think Murphy was complicit or on board with that. Too.
Complicit makes it sound like it's wrong because I don't
know if it'll be wrong yet, but yeah, I think
Mark Murphy is He's the report two guy in Green Bay. Yes, Mike.
How confident are fans up there, even the media up
there that this team cannot only you know, win the division,
(29:20):
go to the playoffs and make a little noise, but
actually get to and win the Super Bowl. Yeah, they're
not confident, Chris. Because of the loss at Tampa. You know,
some people are gonna point to what happened Sunday against
the Vikings. I think that was an anomaly, but people
are not going to forget and be able to forget
about what happened to Tampa two and a half weeks ago,
(29:44):
because it happened last year against the forty nine ers,
where you got run out of the building in the
regular season, you find a way to get back to
play them again in the NFC Championship game, and a
lot of us thought it was going to be different
and it wasn't different at all. So that fear factor
hangs over Packers ends because they think they're gonna run
into Tampa again. I don't. I don't think Green Bay.
(30:05):
I think Green Bay could beat any other team in
the NFC. In January but I think there's a lot
of people that don't think that they could beat Tampa
in January. Yeah, I'm not so sure about that. Let's
ask you. You also had a Wisconsin ad Barry Alvarez
was on your show talking about the COVID outbreak and
that they don't have their arms around the problem and
(30:26):
that is still not under control. What's going on there Wisconsin. Well,
I don't know that they're gonna I think they'll be
able to get it corralled in time to play ten
days from now in Michigan, eleven days from now at Michigan.
The problem is Rob is that they don't have any
more wiggle room, and that's not their fault necessarily. That's
the Big Ten. The Big Ten made the huge mistake
(30:48):
of trying to go eight for eight, eight weeks, eight games,
no knowing that there could be games. Well, Chris and
I talked about this with the NFL. If you made
a twelve game season and gave yourself some spe you
know what I mean, and you can make up games.
And originally the comeback date was going to be October seventeenth,
and it left a week of buffer in case this happened. Well,
(31:11):
they didn't have. If they need two weeks and they
can't do that, you know four and miss two games.
I made one of them up already. Wisconsin is gonna
miss two. But the problem is that's two strikes in
the league. That says you got to play six games
to play in the Big Ten Championship. If they get
another strike, not of their own doings, but let's say
they play Iowa and they are late in the season
in Iowa, nowtbreak and they can't play, then Wisconsin will
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be That'll be their third strikes. They'll be out of
any Big Ten championship. And that's bad for the league
because the league wants Ohio State to play Wisconsin, two
top eleven, top ten teams in the country. They want
those two to meet. They don't want Ohio State to
play a two lost Northwestern or a two lost Iowa
in the Big Ten championship game. That doesn't look good.
(31:54):
And that's the past they might be on. Tell Wisconsin
to get the Michigan asap. They can win that game
with nine player right if they just said anybody to Michigan.
And one last thing, I want to say, my buddy
who and Chris knows him as well is the main
news anchor at Channel's twenty seven there, George Smith. Yes,
(32:15):
George and I went to Comby at Jay School together,
and Chris went to college with George. We know Georgian
very well. Show. We did a podcast from him and
a Mon Greene, the former packer. Yeah, George, he's a
good dude. We're glad to have him here. We're lucky
to have him here. Oh, absolutely, say hello next time
you talk to him. A guy born in Harlem doing
(32:36):
the news and Madison, Wisconsin, My great stuff. Many thanks
a lot. Well, good to talk to you, all right, brother,
all right. It is the Eye Couple, Chris and Rob
and what NFC team is having problems with their best player.
We'll get into that next. It is Christ and Rob
the Eye Couple. Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch
(32:57):
live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris Bruce Art
and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm Eastern four pm
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It's the I Couple, Christ and Rob on an election
night where company live from the Geico Fox Sports Radio
Studios and Rob I'm watching so I have Fox on
(33:18):
one Channel, Fox News and CNN on the other on
TV two TVs. And it's it's interesting because they both
appear to be getting their information from different people, different sorts,
you know, Like for instance, Um, Fox I believe has
Biden ahead on the electoral votes and CNN has Trump ahead. Yeah.
(33:45):
Fox has Biden ahead ninety one seventy three and CNN
has Trump ahead forty two thirty. Yeah, a little behind,
but they're getting them, you know what I mean. Like,
but it just depends on who they have people who
call the states. So CNN might not be ready to
call a certain state, but Fox feels confident to call,
(34:05):
you know what I mean. Yeah, And they better be
careful tonight calling the states. Yeah, that's what because I
remember the one my wife when I was married watching
was the George Bush and Florida when originally they gave
it to al Gore. Yea, and then they took it
off the board. And I remember that night. I was like, oh,
that's bad news, you know, Like, what do you mean
that they took it off you know what I mean?
(34:27):
Because it was called for al Gore? If you remember,
I do remember a thousand I do remember that? Well
ye all right, well, um you you asked a few
of our guests this question, or at least one of them,
about Michael Thomas, and the great receiver for the New
Orleans Saints has played one game this year. We know
he had the injury, and then he you know, had
(34:50):
another injury, I think a hamstring. But Rob, this is
getting odd because I think he's I think he's ready
to play. I don't know, nobody seems to really know
what's full league going on there, but there have been
reports that he's got an attitude problem and some of
even said, is this going the way of Antonio Brown?
(35:11):
That might not be fair to say that, but they
gotta figure this out. Now. For the good news for
Saints fans, Rob, is that they're five and two, and
while they have gotten world beaters, they've yeah, they've played
well enough obviously to be five and two, and they've
beating some pretty good teams. And so when they get
(35:33):
him back, I mean, it should really be they should
be much improved. And I think, Rob, they gotta figure
this out. They just gave him, what a year or
two ago, a five year, one hundred million dollar contract extension.
Now I'm not saying you can't trade him, but you
got a guy that you're paying that much money to
(35:53):
who's that good and who presumably is ready to play
get him on the field. Yeah, it just seems you know,
when you look at what he did last year, Chris,
to go from that to nothing, do you know what
I mean, Like it's shocking, like whetic last year. I mean,
(36:14):
he was unstoppable on machine and now you know, it
just seemed like, you know, what happened here? Like how
was he not there? But you're right, the saving grace
is that they're five and two, that they did win.
They're not two and five without him. They're five and two,
and when they get him back, he will bolster that
(36:35):
offense and make them, you know, more whole again than
they have been. So it's interesting. I don't know, it
just seems like a weird story. And I never bought
the story about the altercation with the teammate and that
was the reason he wasn't play. Has to be bigger
than that. I don't think that was that was, But
(36:55):
I'm saying, normally, there's got to be a little bit
more than that not to play. People getting squirmishes you notice, well,
I guess they the coaches or you know, something like that.
Rob g you got some Adam Schefter, What was he
reporting about this? Yeah, he was on ESPN's Countdown yesterday
and he talked about the situation and the like. You
(37:16):
mentioned the unusualness surrounding his injury, And one thing that
Schefter said on the broadcast is that things still may
not be entirely cool between the Saints and the and
Michael Thomas because of the way that they you know,
you know the teams that they didn't suspend him, they
were just finding him and sitting him out of game.
But I guess that he's still is not happy with
(37:37):
the way it was handled. They're not happy they didn't
apologize right away. So there's still a little bit of
tension there in the building and back right probably like
why are you taking my money? Well, because it looked
there clearly is something going on, because if not, he'd
be out there playing, period, And so I just think
(38:00):
it behooves you as an organization to get this figured out.
You're paying him all this money. Now, I know you
may be finding him, but still you paid him all
this money. He's locked up for the next several years.
You don't want to throw him into late and I
know it's still only halfway through the season, and he's
a great player who can help you, and he and Breeze,
I get it, they've been great in the past together.
(38:22):
But you still want to get him out there together.
You know, you don't want him coming in too late
in the season. If he's able to play. It's one
thing if he's legitimately injured, but you gotta get him
out there and you know, get him reacclimated to Breeze
and to playing and all that. Look, I think they
still got plenty of time, but they need to get
(38:43):
it taken care of. One hour left, keep her locked
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