March 10, 2021 • 31 mins
Chris and Rob explain why Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson is right when he says that Dak Prescott is capable of leading the Dallas Cowboys to the Super Bowl as 'the guy', and discuss the idea that Steph Curry's 3-point shooting prowess has ruined the NBA since everyone nowadays thinks they can shoot like him. Plus, The Athletic's Mike Sando swings by to share his thoughts on the biggest quarterback headlines around the NFL.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker, Jimmy Johnson obviously
you know, Hall of Fame coach. And you saw that
Rob when he got in the Hall of Fame. I
mean he cried. You saw it on TV problem Yeah,
on the Fox Show, Uh, with Terry Bratsch, I know
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all those guys. So that's a big moment. Yeah yeah,
and uh that was good to see how much it
meant to him. So um. But anyway, he's obviously a
football legend. Led the Cowboys to their last three Super
Bowl or two. It was three. It was his team
for the third one, but Barry Switzer was the coach.
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He took right right and so he spoke. He was
on The Herd today with Colin Cowherd, and he talked
about Dak Obviously, Dak four years, one hundred and sixty million.
But Jimmy Johnson Robb didn't pull any punches. Here's what
he had to say about dak You got to get
some players cheap somehow, you know, because you know they've
got half a dozen players that are eating up a
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lot of the cap, you know, so you've got to
offset that with some players that are inexpensive. And the
way you get inexpensive players is you got a draft. Well,
you gotta hit on your draft picks. Now, I think
they can win the NFC East because you look at
the East right now, really the only other quarterback that's proven,
and he's not exactly proven, it would be Jones with
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the Giants. Philadelphia is a mess right now. Washington, who
knows you know that, you know they have, you know,
no quarterback situation right now. And so Dallas can win
the NFC East, But I don't know if they can
go further than that. Is real talk by Jimmy Johnson
right there. Yeah, I mean, so do you agree? Look,
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the East is so bad? I agree. I think he's
the best quarterback in the NFC East and they should
be the favorites in the NFC East right now. But
can they win the Super Bowl. I'll put it this way, Rob,
if you put a gun in my head, and I
had to bet, will Dallas win the Super Bowl in
the next four years? As much as I might like
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to see it, even I'm not a Cowboys fan, but
you know the Cowboys are good. It's always fun. I
would have to bet no. I'd have to bet. Note
Moll speaks volumes, because when you sign a quarterback like that,
you think, don't forget. ESPN and some others had the
Cowboys last year, and we know that that got heard
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and some other issues. But they had them going to
the Super Bowl last year. They haven't made the playoffs
three of the last four years, and so that's strange.
And I think that this is an indictment of Dak
from the standpoint of he's not a bum. He's a
good quarterback, but whether or not he's really that guy,
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Kenny really leads you. And I think this is Jimmy
Johnson talking. We talked about it also when he got
hurt and Tony Dungee. You remember the comment, I mean
when Tony Dungee said it was a blessing in disguise
and people jumped on Tony Dungee. He was just saying
the Cowboys were a better team when Dak was the
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game manager and the running game was number one, and
then he could make plays and do stuff inside of
that when you need it. But you didn't want him,
as you say with Russell Wilson, you didn't want him
always cooking. He didn't have to be the guy gun slinging.
And last year, you know this, even with all the numbers,
they weren't winning. He was winning up big numbers, but
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they weren't winning. Yeah, I look, and obviously I've been
a guy that's defended Dak, and I do like him
a lot as a quarterback. But Rob, I have always
said he is a game manager who can make plays.
Now that's not just your typical game manager. You know.
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He's not the guy that you don't want it to
take any risk. He's not going to do anything spectacular.
He's not going to make something out of nothing. He's
not that type of game manager. But he has been
a game manager who could make a big play with
his legs, could make a big play with his arm
here and there. And since now I do believe this, Rob,
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I believe Russell or Dak has actually shown improvement as
a quarterback, Like he's shown that he can be a
very good pastor of the football, whereas before I think
there were some questions of Mark Mark's about that. And
the last few years he has aired it out. Remember
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two years ago, through forty nine hundred yards, thirty touchdowns,
eleven picks, they win eight and eight. But his numbers
were good. And last year, of course, he was averaging
three hundred seventy one yards a game, a lot of
it garbage time or rallies late in the game. But
I think he's gotten better in that regard. Rob But
I'm not ready to say. I'm not ready to say
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he can lead your team to a super Bowl by himself, right,
I mean Aaron Rodgers. He don't throw it like Aaron
Rodgers and he never will. But Aaron Rodgers hasn't been
able to lead them by himself. So how in the
world is Dak Prescott gonna do it. He's gonna have
to have, like Jimmy Johnson said, a lot around him.
He is the This is the issue that you have
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with Dak is that when you do sign, you know,
like the window of four years you would have liked
to have felt like, Okay, we got our quarterback in
the fold, we should win now. But that's not really
what it is. Because the Cowboys are top heavy and
have spent too much money. Jerry pay the Amari uh
Cooper Cooper, he paid Ezekiel Elliott. All these guys are
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mating and did some defensive players, right, some defensive players
big money, and and and Jimmy Johnson's speaking the truth. Now,
you gotta get some guys who can make plays, who
aren't making any money, some young guys who can make
plays in order to put them in the spot where
they are. When I look at the NFC, they're not
the first team I think about. I think they're and
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it just depends on where the where the Saints are
and what they do this year, because they're in some
trouble as well. But they might be the fourth or
fifth team in the NFC by itself. Again about the NFL,
I think in the NFC, Rob, if you're saying they're
the fourth team you think about in the NFC, that's
actually good. I mean, like, let's look, you think it's Tampa.
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I'm saying I just don't know about the Bay ye, right,
And whether I agree with you on the Saint Seattle.
As long as they keep Russ. Some people might think
of every Zona before them, But the Rams, that's for
right there, that's for the Rams. So they would probably
be five. And then you start talking about Arizona, right
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then you start talking about Arizona. Who else are we missing?
I don't know about the Vikings. I don't know where
the Bears fit in, you know, without the quarterback yet.
So the Bears are there, The Vikings are there. They
had a really bad year, even defensively, which is normally
their strong suit. So so they would say, talking about
teams on their level, right, that they might be a
little better than or a little worse than. That's what
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you get to at that point, right, And so so yeah,
five is probably the highest that you can look at
them when you delude. Teams absolutely look like we said,
Jerry was in a position where he had to get
this done. But Rob, I tell you what I do
think their offense is. It's good. They got a good
receiving corps, you got a good quarterback. They obviously need
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Zeke to get close to what he used to be
told right exactly, he'll never be back, right, He'll never
be back to where he was when he was the
best running back in the league. But he's got to
be to think about that, like he can. We're saying that,
what how old is he? Twenty six? I know, but
we're saying he's four years on right, Yeah, four years
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on him. Yeah, but they it's to me it's the
defense though. Can the defense be up to snow he's
twenty five years old? That's unbelievable. Wow. Yeah, Look, it's
a bounce back year. Impossible. No, I mean, we'll see,
but it's certainly not something we're expecting. Um, it's all
on the defense. Well two things. It's on the defense.
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They've got to improve and rob The offense has got
to score some points in the first half. We saw
it last year, right, a lot of points, but they
all in the second half when you're down. Don't even
if the defense is given up points, that doesn't mean
right whatever. You hear that, they're like, well but you
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know they fell behind. No, no, no, okay, we got it.
The defense gave up two or three scores in the
first app You can score two or three scores on
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you get your podcasts. Rob Parker wrote a great column
and Danceman dot Com then I took as a great
compliment Steph Curry. I'm not sure he meant it that way,
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but am I wrong? Am I wrong? My point was
that Steph Curry ruined the NBA with the ridiculous threes.
And I said, from this damnpoint, Chris, he was making
those shots and winning those MVPs, and you know the
Warriors were winning that people decided that everybody could take threes.
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And that's when I say he ruined it because other
people we had Ja and Dande, who I quoted in
the piece right from on yesterday. Do we have when
we got this sound? Yeah, here he is. I think
Steph Curry has done and maybe it's irreversible. He changed
the notion of a bad shot. I controlled my iPod
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that there's Steph Curry pulling up one on three with
twenty seconds left on the shot clock. But for him
it's a good shot because he's gonna make it right.
But it's now everyone thinks that they're Steph Curry. You're
not Seth Curry. You pulling up on a one on
three is not the same as Steph Curry pulling up
on a one offer. And that's what you know. I
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quoted him in the column from our show yesterday because
I thought he made a great point that that's that's
where we are. Chris, there's an average. I think I
saw the number of teams are averaging games, are averaging
eighty threes. Now eighty threes taken in an NBA game,
And I get it. Even Popovich, who in the ESPN
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article said it's not basketball anymore, it's not beautiful. It's
just there's only one. You don't care about who I
rebounded people, Chris, how many turnovers you had, None of
it matters. It's only about how many threes you made,
and very seldom. We talked to Antonio Daniels right when
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the Pelicans beat somebody and they didn't have the most three.
That was like an anomal I was amazed at that
when he said that, right, because he said I think
he said the Pelicans only took eleven threes and one
of the game, right, and the jazz I was scoring
him by thirty from three. That that was amazing. You
won't see that much, no, And so that's why I
say that Steph ruined it because he was so good
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and he was pulling up from three quarters or a
half court and taking shots. And Chris early on in
his career, had he missed some of those right and
was just a good shooter, not a great shooter. From there,
maybe it would have changed people, it would have tempered people.
But because he had such success, and I get it
as a smaller guy, I'm sure Chris he had to
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be able to be ready to launch whenever he got
a free look. You know back in those days, and
he became he couldn't go to the basket and tried
to be a big scorer because that wouldn't happen. Right. Well, look,
I thought it was a it was a good read.
Go check it out at dan spend dot com. Was
very good column. But here's what I took from it, Rob,
and you kind of just said it. He was so good,
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Like I looked at it, and why I said it
was a compliment. I wasn't just being you know, lighthearted,
like he was so good that he did change the game.
I've told you this before. I went to Lebron James
as they were preparing in Golden State for the series
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with the Warriors in twenty fifteen, first time they met
in the finals, and I said to him, I said,
do you think this was just one on one? I said,
do they remind you of the Spurs last year they
beat y'all in the finals in Miami. He was like nah.
He kind of chuckled, like nah, he's a jump shooting
teams don't win championships, which was true for sixty years
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in the NBA or whatever. But now that's how Step
has changed it. Rob, And so my thing is. I
get what you were saying, but first of all, that's
how good Steph was. And secondly, it's not his fault.
And remember you noticed Rob you were covering the league
at this time, they used to say the same thing
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about Michael Jordans. Remember, not not that because it was
his fault, but because Jordan was so great one on one,
so many moves, Duncan flying through the air that for
a good twenty thirty years, you had guys that thought
it was just about Isol one on one. Remember the
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league went really heavy isol and one on one, right,
it was just, Oh, he can't shoot, but he can fly,
he's quick. We'll draft him in the in the lottery,
you know. And so I think it's I think you're
right in that this three point barage has come from Steph,
but I look at it as a compliment to him,
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and it's not his fault. Guys copied him. And so
there's gonna be a balancing out of this robe too.
There has to be, because right now I think there's
a lot of people out there. I heard a lot, obviously, Chris,
from a lot of people who read the column and
looked at it, and some people agreed and just said, man,
it's just too much. And and I've said the same thing.
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I've told you that home runs and strikeouts have ruined baseball.
I'm I'll be the first one to raise my hand.
I love to see Aaron Judge and some of these
guys you know, and Bryce Harper and and and these
guys launch and hit home runs, but not every yet
bad Like like I don't, I'll double down the line, right,
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I can take a double down the right field line
as well and have them slide in the second base. Okay,
that's god, that's cool too. So we've seen this because
of the analytics and and the the pen protector geeks
have taken over. And I get it, you know. Like
a friend of mine, Walt, sent me a text after
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reading the column, and he said something like, you can
make two threes, Chris, and it would take you, um
four twos to beat that, do you know what I mean? Like? No, right, right,
And that that's the point like like you made he
only made two threes, but I need four twos just
to beat the two threes that you made. So so
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I do understand that sense mathematically, right, But it doesn't
make for the game. And that's when I say it's
ruined from the standpoint of none of the other factors
uh seem to matter anymore, turnovers, um and and then
I highlighted, of course the Washington Denver game where Denver
and that might be like that. That's that one little
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watershed moment where you go, what what what is going on?
And it was pushed back in the league where people said,
this is not winning basketball. What are you doing? Yeah?
I look, on one hand, I think the game is
a lot of fun to watch. I mean, the skills
of these guards, the range they're shooting from is just unbelievable,
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and so I do like seeing in that. I don't
think we've gotten to the point. Remember I thought in
the All Star Game it got to a point where
it became a joke because they were taking so many threes.
I don't think we're there yet in the regular season.
But there's a threshold. Rob I don't never know exactly
what it is. Is it a hundred threes, you know,
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is it combined a hundred threes? Then it becomes kind
of not basketball as we know it. I don't know,
it's a three point shooting contest. That's what it would
wind up being who could make the most right right,
and that just isn't isn't good for anybody. So I
think there'll be a balancing now. I thought I liked
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my idea of cutting out the corner three to side three.
Some don't like it. But we've had stud Jackson or
Rob and he's told us that he's very concerned about
the three point. We should get him against. We should
because this is still a hot topic going on right
now as we get ready for the second half of
the season, because we've seen so many threes. Who's at
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the most? Is it? Uh? The Clippers shoot the highest percentage?
Utah is up there up there. Yeah, I don't know
who takes the most. But here the other thing is
this right, and you saw this in that column. A
lot of guys are playing. The teams are all basically
playing the same basically right, it's all drive and kick. You.
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I remember when you and I went to the it
was a couple of years ago when Houston and the
Lakers opened up the season at the Staples Center. We
went to that game together and remember how it it
just hit me and we had seen it for a
few years, but how many times Houston players hard and
Chris Paul at that time would get into the like
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the fifteen foot twelve foot range and be open and
wouldn't shoot right like the it back out, drivel out
of the kick it out, yeah, And it was like,
what are you doing? That's like a wide open thirteen
footer and they weren't taking them and so m it
definitely is strange. But the thing is everybody's playing the
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same way looking for the three. And I look at Philadelphia, Rob,
they got a guy that nobody else in the league
is like in Joel Mbat and how you gonna beat Brooklyn?
You're not outscoring Brooklyn out running them. That would be
one advantage. I don't know if you could beat them
that way, but it be worth a try. Who they
have nobody to handle Joel mb and I would just
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keep throwing them the ball until they until they show
me that they can stop them for real, right, slow
the game down, because if it's up and down, I
think Brooklyn's gonna just outscore them. But you could slow
it down. You got shooters around and beat and just seats.
Give it a try, but I don't think they'll go
that route. But Rob, G, what you got an interest
in stat Yeah, you know, five years ago the SPLA brothers,
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Steph and Clay, they won that first championship, there were
only two teams in the league shooting more than thirty
three pointers in the game. They were one of them.
Fast forward to now twenty twenty one season, there are
four teams shooting more than forty three and only three
teams shooting less than thirty. Wow, that's amazing. That's where
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it is. Well, and here's the other thing, Rob and
I don't think, you know, call them the analytics nerds
or whatever. I don't know that they see this, but
you you know this those Durant Staff Warrior teams. Durant
is a mid range shooter. Now, he could shoot the
three and shoot it well, but he does most of
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his damage in the mid range. And the dudes are
two time champion and one of the best players we've
ever seen. Maybe you think, you know, the midrange shot
has some value still, how about Kauai. That's Kauai's bread
and butter is that pull up mid range shot. So
the thing is, everybody's killing the midrange jumper. Mbat is
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killing people with the mid range shot, but everybody criticizes it.
But many of the best teams and the teams that
are winning their guy, they still have guys that excel
in the mid range. No, that's not just all threes.
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So let's let's get right to it. Dak Prescott, of course,
gets the huge contract summer, saying is the best in
NFL history. He was ranked twelfth. I believe last year
that's Tier two. I've always said, or I've said like
this past year, that he's in the route. Rob Parker
kills me for it, but I say he's in route
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to being elite, to becoming elite. Do you think Dak
has that in him that he'll become an elite quarterback?
And really what people around the league think? Do they
think that? Yeah? I think he'll be more on the
fringe of that. He was twelve. I thought it was
too low last year. I mean, Carson Wentz was tenth,
and I just thought he should have been higher than
Carson Wentz. And obviously he's going to be going into
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this next year. So yesterday I was actually on the
phone with somebody from a team that we were trying
to count. Okay, how many guys could you put ahead
of Dak? You know, could you justifiably you know, could
you really make the case? And I think we came
up with maybe seven something like that. If you're moving
Josh Allen up past him, would you move Josh Allen
up past him? Some would, not, everybody would. I would
at this point. Yeah. Yeah. So but I mean I
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think he's good. The question that I have really isn't
much to do with him as more of the team.
It's like, you know, you're sort of damned if you
do it and damn if you don't, because they couldn't
when when he was on his rookie deal. I mean,
they won, but they couldn't, you know, get to the
super Bowl or put together a great team. And so
my feel is like, Okay, now it's even harder when
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you're paying at the very top of the market. You're
really paying him as if he's a top five guy,
but is he more like maybe he is a top five,
you know, but maybe he's a top eight. Is that
now you've got to really, you know, smaller margin for
error in the building the rest of your team, which
I don't know that. I mean, Jerry Jones has drafted
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pretty well lately. But I just I'm a little anti Cowboy,
not anti Dack at all. I just feel like it's
not a great setup overall from ownership, coaching stuff that
really doesn't have as much to do with that, but
will affect Dac. What about We talked about this earlier
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in the show and when Dak got hurt last year,
if you remember, Tony Duney got criticism because he said
on the air that it might be a blessing in
disguise because the Cowboys can get back to running the
football and doing what when they were winning at a
higher clip rather than having Dack throw the ball. Does
that make sense hear that or not? Yeah? I mean
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I think that people would like them to be more balanced,
but their defense was so bad that I'm not sure
what else they could do. You know, all due respect
to Tony Genesy, I have no I get that right
last year, but I think you meant they were a
better team when he was when he was a game
manager and Ezekiel Elliott was running the football more did Yeah,
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I understand where he's coming from. And I think there's
a balance on that, you know. I look, I know
what all the analytics and the numbers say, and passing
is more efficient and all that, but I think it
got harder. Look at Russell Wilson, great quarterback, but they
really went towards the past. I think people play it
differently when you become a passing team. I think there's
a fine line there, and it takes good scheming. Like
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I think some of these Kylie Shannahan type systems know
how to do it where they can get you to
play the run. I think if you can make the
defense play the run, you can pass the ball a
lot easier. And so I think that may be what
coach Dungee's getting at is, like, hey, let's not just
be caution to win throwing the ball where that's all
they're worried about. Make him worry about something else and
then Dak will be that much more efficient. I believe
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that for all quarterbacks. And look, Aaron Rodgers is doing
that as great as he is. He can throw it
all over the yard. They've taken the ball out of
his hands, and I think it's made it easier for him.
He was never on the injury report the whole year.
You know, he had numbers as good as ever because
it's a lot easier game to play when you're play
actioning and that type of stuff. Mike Sandals the athletic
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joining the aykable might you alluded to it earlier with
you know, the Cowboys couldn't win with Dak on his
rookie deal. How in the word are they going to
win a super Bowl with him making all this money?
We that quarterback? What is it? The highest I think
a quarterback's ever had as far as percentage of the
salary cap was like thirteen percent, fourteen percent. That it's
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been high. Okay, it's been high. It's been hiring that.
But I let's follow down this road anyway. Yeah, right,
you're making a good point. Is this going to I
mean that you said it. You got him eighth at
probably the eighth best quarterback in the NFL, But yet
he gets this this top contract. Are we going to
see a correction at some point where teams as important
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as quarterbacks are, I mean, they get paid so much
more than everybody else that it can really skew your
chances of winning. Do you think some team will say,
look this, we're not we can't pay our quarterback this
much money even though you're up, even though that's the market,
and that they'll be kind of a balancing out or
it's just going to continue to increase regardless of whether
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or not it really is good for your team. Yeah,
I think there's still going to be the fear of
the drives that. I mean, Washington kind of did that
with Kirk Cousins, and they're still looking for somebody as
good as Cousins. You know, it's it's hard to find.
I think Dak Prescott at least you hope that is
going to keep ascending and can be in that top
tier you're hoping for, right. I think what really sets
you back is when you're paying a middle tier or
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lower guy like he's a great quarterback, right and expecting
different results. Like Minnesota is a good example of that.
You know, Kirk Cousins pretty good quarterback, but they're never
going to win the championship. But they've been pretty good.
You know, they've been okay, And I guess is that
what you're paying for to be to be just pretty good?
I mean, it's easy for us to say, don't do it,
but do you want everybody to get fired when we
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don't have somebody and absolutely terrible at the position, Like
you can say the best thing. Obviously, we all know
the best thing is to draft a good quarterback, have
him on the rookie contract to build your team. But
we can't guess right for sure which one's going to
be the great quarterback. Even last year we're thinking, well,
two is probably better than Herbert. Now everybody would take Herbert.
He went, I'm gonna be great. Now no one wants them.
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I'm glad you brought up Tah because I was going
to ask you about the tier where Ta fits in
and Murray because Murray came in a lot of people.
We had a guy on our show, Martin Wise, who
was said he's gonna be the MVP of this past
year and that didn't work out, and then Tah. They
were already going to Fitzpatrick in big moments and after
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he got the starting job. So the questions there, where
did those two guys fit in? Yeah, well kind of,
Murray debuted. I don't. I don't put any rookies in
the poll. But last year in the quarterback tiers with
the fifty coaches and the value where there's voting, he
came in at the very top of the third tier,
like ahead of Kirk Cousins, GoF Garoppolo, from guys who
won some games. So there was a lot of optimism
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on him. I think if people watched the second half
of their season last year, I don't know who he's
gonna go hired that this year. I mean he may
come into the bottom of the second tier, but I
don't know. I didn't feel it's great second half of
the year about him on TA There's a couple things
at work. Yeah, I think we saw we didn't see,
you know that on that early specialness like we saw
with Herbert. The other thing is Brian Flores just doesn't care.
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I mean he will cut Kyle van Noy after one year.
He'll he'll have his defensive coordinator Patrick Graham get out
of here to go to the Giants. We'll sit down
to it during the game and play Ryan Fitzpatrick. I mean,
these are a little bit of unconventional leadership tactics. Right,
we'll change our we'll fire our offensive coordinator who whoever.
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I mean, he just sort of does what he's gonna
do and we'll see what that means for the handling
of a quarterback. Right, there's different There's a report or
Chris Sims talking about Miami being all in on getting
Deshaun Watson. Do you do you put much credence into
that that they could get Deshaun or are they going
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to try to go with TWA or is it a
matter of noting but Houston may not trade him. Yeah,
I'll say this, I don't think the presence of two
of there would be enough for them to say counters
out of getting somebody like de Shaun Watson. And I
think that would be true for almost anybody. I mean, right,
you know you've seen to Shaun Watson play. Um, you know,
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do I think they're going to trade them? I mean,
right now, I don't. I mean, we can only really
go off of what we see. Right, they haven't taken
calls yet. Until that starts happening, They're not going to
trade them. May they may eventually, but there's really no test.
There's no way for either side in that to prove
they're serious, right, I mean, Deshahn Watson's not going to
miss any game checks right right, absolutely until their games,
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there's no pressure on either side, all right. I think
the draft, I would say the draft is one thing,
is one missed opportunity. Though, if you were thinking about
trading them and you wait till pass the draft, I
think it's there's fewer teams and in the market's not
quite as good if you're Houston. But but I don't
think that makes them trade them before then either, you
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know what I mean? Right, Yeah, that's it is interesting.
If you're Houston, then you're gonna end up trading him,
you probably should do it around the draft, all right,
Mike sandof the great stuff, Man, We're appreciate knowledge, Yes, indeed, Yes, indeed,
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker, Jimmy Johnson obviously
you know, Hall of Fame coach. And you saw that
Rob when he got in the Hall of Fame. I
mean he cried. You saw it on TV problem Yeah,
on the Fox Show, Uh, with Terry Bratsch, I know
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all those guys. So that's a big moment. Yeah yeah,
and uh that was good to see how much it
meant to him. So um. But anyway, he's obviously a
football legend. Led the Cowboys to their last three Super
Bowl or two. It was three. It was his team
for the third one, but Barry Switzer was the coach.
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He took right right and so he spoke. He was
on The Herd today with Colin Cowherd, and he talked
about Dak Obviously, Dak four years, one hundred and sixty million.
But Jimmy Johnson Robb didn't pull any punches. Here's what
he had to say about dak You got to get
some players cheap somehow, you know, because you know they've
got half a dozen players that are eating up a
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lot of the cap, you know, so you've got to
offset that with some players that are inexpensive. And the
way you get inexpensive players is you got a draft. Well,
you gotta hit on your draft picks. Now, I think
they can win the NFC East because you look at
the East right now, really the only other quarterback that's proven,
and he's not exactly proven, it would be Jones with
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the Giants. Philadelphia is a mess right now. Washington, who
knows you know that, you know they have, you know,
no quarterback situation right now. And so Dallas can win
the NFC East, But I don't know if they can
go further than that. Is real talk by Jimmy Johnson
right there. Yeah, I mean, so do you agree? Look,
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the East is so bad? I agree. I think he's
the best quarterback in the NFC East and they should
be the favorites in the NFC East right now. But
can they win the Super Bowl. I'll put it this way, Rob,
if you put a gun in my head, and I
had to bet, will Dallas win the Super Bowl in
the next four years? As much as I might like
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to see it, even I'm not a Cowboys fan, but
you know the Cowboys are good. It's always fun. I
would have to bet no. I'd have to bet. Note
Moll speaks volumes, because when you sign a quarterback like that,
you think, don't forget. ESPN and some others had the
Cowboys last year, and we know that that got heard
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and some other issues. But they had them going to
the Super Bowl last year. They haven't made the playoffs
three of the last four years, and so that's strange.
And I think that this is an indictment of Dak
from the standpoint of he's not a bum. He's a
good quarterback, but whether or not he's really that guy,
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Kenny really leads you. And I think this is Jimmy
Johnson talking. We talked about it also when he got
hurt and Tony Dungee. You remember the comment, I mean
when Tony Dungee said it was a blessing in disguise
and people jumped on Tony Dungee. He was just saying
the Cowboys were a better team when Dak was the
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game manager and the running game was number one, and
then he could make plays and do stuff inside of
that when you need it. But you didn't want him,
as you say with Russell Wilson, you didn't want him
always cooking. He didn't have to be the guy gun slinging.
And last year, you know this, even with all the numbers,
they weren't winning. He was winning up big numbers, but
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they weren't winning. Yeah, I look, and obviously I've been
a guy that's defended Dak, and I do like him
a lot as a quarterback. But Rob, I have always
said he is a game manager who can make plays.
Now that's not just your typical game manager. You know.
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He's not the guy that you don't want it to
take any risk. He's not going to do anything spectacular.
He's not going to make something out of nothing. He's
not that type of game manager. But he has been
a game manager who could make a big play with
his legs, could make a big play with his arm
here and there. And since now I do believe this, Rob,
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I believe Russell or Dak has actually shown improvement as
a quarterback, Like he's shown that he can be a
very good pastor of the football, whereas before I think
there were some questions of Mark Mark's about that. And
the last few years he has aired it out. Remember
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two years ago, through forty nine hundred yards, thirty touchdowns,
eleven picks, they win eight and eight. But his numbers
were good. And last year, of course, he was averaging
three hundred seventy one yards a game, a lot of
it garbage time or rallies late in the game. But
I think he's gotten better in that regard. Rob But
I'm not ready to say. I'm not ready to say
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he can lead your team to a super Bowl by himself, right,
I mean Aaron Rodgers. He don't throw it like Aaron
Rodgers and he never will. But Aaron Rodgers hasn't been
able to lead them by himself. So how in the
world is Dak Prescott gonna do it. He's gonna have
to have, like Jimmy Johnson said, a lot around him.
He is the This is the issue that you have
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with Dak is that when you do sign, you know,
like the window of four years you would have liked
to have felt like, Okay, we got our quarterback in
the fold, we should win now. But that's not really
what it is. Because the Cowboys are top heavy and
have spent too much money. Jerry pay the Amari uh
Cooper Cooper, he paid Ezekiel Elliott. All these guys are
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mating and did some defensive players, right, some defensive players
big money, and and and Jimmy Johnson's speaking the truth. Now,
you gotta get some guys who can make plays, who
aren't making any money, some young guys who can make
plays in order to put them in the spot where
they are. When I look at the NFC, they're not
the first team I think about. I think they're and
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it just depends on where the where the Saints are
and what they do this year, because they're in some
trouble as well. But they might be the fourth or
fifth team in the NFC by itself. Again about the NFL,
I think in the NFC, Rob, if you're saying they're
the fourth team you think about in the NFC, that's
actually good. I mean, like, let's look, you think it's Tampa.
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I'm saying I just don't know about the Bay ye, right,
And whether I agree with you on the Saint Seattle.
As long as they keep Russ. Some people might think
of every Zona before them, But the Rams, that's for
right there, that's for the Rams. So they would probably
be five. And then you start talking about Arizona, right
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then you start talking about Arizona. Who else are we missing?
I don't know about the Vikings. I don't know where
the Bears fit in, you know, without the quarterback yet.
So the Bears are there, The Vikings are there. They
had a really bad year, even defensively, which is normally
their strong suit. So so they would say, talking about
teams on their level, right, that they might be a
little better than or a little worse than. That's what
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you get to at that point, right, And so so yeah,
five is probably the highest that you can look at
them when you delude. Teams absolutely look like we said,
Jerry was in a position where he had to get
this done. But Rob, I tell you what I do
think their offense is. It's good. They got a good
receiving corps, you got a good quarterback. They obviously need
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Zeke to get close to what he used to be
told right exactly, he'll never be back, right, He'll never
be back to where he was when he was the
best running back in the league. But he's got to
be to think about that, like he can. We're saying that,
what how old is he? Twenty six? I know, but
we're saying he's four years on right, Yeah, four years
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on him. Yeah, but they it's to me it's the
defense though. Can the defense be up to snow he's
twenty five years old? That's unbelievable. Wow. Yeah, Look, it's
a bounce back year. Impossible. No, I mean, we'll see,
but it's certainly not something we're expecting. Um, it's all
on the defense. Well two things. It's on the defense.
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They've got to improve and rob The offense has got
to score some points in the first half. We saw
it last year, right, a lot of points, but they
all in the second half when you're down. Don't even
if the defense is given up points, that doesn't mean
right whatever. You hear that, they're like, well but you
(08:58):
know they fell behind. No, no, no, okay, we got it.
The defense gave up two or three scores in the
first app You can score two or three scores on
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you get your podcasts. Rob Parker wrote a great column
and Danceman dot Com then I took as a great
compliment Steph Curry. I'm not sure he meant it that way,
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but am I wrong? Am I wrong? My point was
that Steph Curry ruined the NBA with the ridiculous threes.
And I said, from this damnpoint, Chris, he was making
those shots and winning those MVPs, and you know the
Warriors were winning that people decided that everybody could take threes.
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And that's when I say he ruined it because other
people we had Ja and Dande, who I quoted in
the piece right from on yesterday. Do we have when
we got this sound? Yeah, here he is. I think
Steph Curry has done and maybe it's irreversible. He changed
the notion of a bad shot. I controlled my iPod
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that there's Steph Curry pulling up one on three with
twenty seconds left on the shot clock. But for him
it's a good shot because he's gonna make it right.
But it's now everyone thinks that they're Steph Curry. You're
not Seth Curry. You pulling up on a one on
three is not the same as Steph Curry pulling up
on a one offer. And that's what you know. I
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quoted him in the column from our show yesterday because
I thought he made a great point that that's that's
where we are. Chris, there's an average. I think I
saw the number of teams are averaging games, are averaging
eighty threes. Now eighty threes taken in an NBA game,
And I get it. Even Popovich, who in the ESPN
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article said it's not basketball anymore, it's not beautiful. It's
just there's only one. You don't care about who I
rebounded people, Chris, how many turnovers you had, None of
it matters. It's only about how many threes you made,
and very seldom. We talked to Antonio Daniels right when
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the Pelicans beat somebody and they didn't have the most three.
That was like an anomal I was amazed at that
when he said that, right, because he said I think
he said the Pelicans only took eleven threes and one
of the game, right, and the jazz I was scoring
him by thirty from three. That that was amazing. You
won't see that much, no, And so that's why I
say that Steph ruined it because he was so good
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and he was pulling up from three quarters or a
half court and taking shots. And Chris early on in
his career, had he missed some of those right and
was just a good shooter, not a great shooter. From there,
maybe it would have changed people, it would have tempered people.
But because he had such success, and I get it
as a smaller guy, I'm sure Chris he had to
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be able to be ready to launch whenever he got
a free look. You know back in those days, and
he became he couldn't go to the basket and tried
to be a big scorer because that wouldn't happen. Right. Well, look,
I thought it was a it was a good read.
Go check it out at dan spend dot com. Was
very good column. But here's what I took from it, Rob,
and you kind of just said it. He was so good,
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Like I looked at it, and why I said it
was a compliment. I wasn't just being you know, lighthearted,
like he was so good that he did change the game.
I've told you this before. I went to Lebron James
as they were preparing in Golden State for the series
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with the Warriors in twenty fifteen, first time they met
in the finals, and I said to him, I said,
do you think this was just one on one? I said,
do they remind you of the Spurs last year they
beat y'all in the finals in Miami. He was like nah.
He kind of chuckled, like nah, he's a jump shooting
teams don't win championships, which was true for sixty years
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in the NBA or whatever. But now that's how Step
has changed it. Rob, And so my thing is. I
get what you were saying, but first of all, that's
how good Steph was. And secondly, it's not his fault.
And remember you noticed Rob you were covering the league
at this time, they used to say the same thing
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about Michael Jordans. Remember, not not that because it was
his fault, but because Jordan was so great one on one,
so many moves, Duncan flying through the air that for
a good twenty thirty years, you had guys that thought
it was just about Isol one on one. Remember the
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league went really heavy isol and one on one, right,
it was just, Oh, he can't shoot, but he can fly,
he's quick. We'll draft him in the in the lottery,
you know. And so I think it's I think you're
right in that this three point barage has come from Steph,
but I look at it as a compliment to him,
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and it's not his fault. Guys copied him. And so
there's gonna be a balancing out of this robe too.
There has to be, because right now I think there's
a lot of people out there. I heard a lot, obviously, Chris,
from a lot of people who read the column and
looked at it, and some people agreed and just said, man,
it's just too much. And and I've said the same thing.
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I've told you that home runs and strikeouts have ruined baseball.
I'm I'll be the first one to raise my hand.
I love to see Aaron Judge and some of these
guys you know, and Bryce Harper and and and these
guys launch and hit home runs, but not every yet
bad Like like I don't, I'll double down the line, right,
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I can take a double down the right field line
as well and have them slide in the second base. Okay,
that's god, that's cool too. So we've seen this because
of the analytics and and the the pen protector geeks
have taken over. And I get it, you know. Like
a friend of mine, Walt, sent me a text after
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reading the column, and he said something like, you can
make two threes, Chris, and it would take you, um
four twos to beat that, do you know what I mean? Like? No, right, right,
And that that's the point like like you made he
only made two threes, but I need four twos just
to beat the two threes that you made. So so
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I do understand that sense mathematically, right, But it doesn't
make for the game. And that's when I say it's
ruined from the standpoint of none of the other factors
uh seem to matter anymore, turnovers, um and and then
I highlighted, of course the Washington Denver game where Denver
and that might be like that. That's that one little
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watershed moment where you go, what what what is going on?
And it was pushed back in the league where people said,
this is not winning basketball. What are you doing? Yeah?
I look, on one hand, I think the game is
a lot of fun to watch. I mean, the skills
of these guards, the range they're shooting from is just unbelievable,
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and so I do like seeing in that. I don't
think we've gotten to the point. Remember I thought in
the All Star Game it got to a point where
it became a joke because they were taking so many threes.
I don't think we're there yet in the regular season.
But there's a threshold. Rob I don't never know exactly
what it is. Is it a hundred threes, you know,
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is it combined a hundred threes? Then it becomes kind
of not basketball as we know it. I don't know,
it's a three point shooting contest. That's what it would
wind up being who could make the most right right,
and that just isn't isn't good for anybody. So I
think there'll be a balancing now. I thought I liked
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my idea of cutting out the corner three to side three.
Some don't like it. But we've had stud Jackson or
Rob and he's told us that he's very concerned about
the three point. We should get him against. We should
because this is still a hot topic going on right
now as we get ready for the second half of
the season, because we've seen so many threes. Who's at
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the most? Is it? Uh? The Clippers shoot the highest percentage?
Utah is up there up there. Yeah, I don't know
who takes the most. But here the other thing is
this right, and you saw this in that column. A
lot of guys are playing. The teams are all basically
playing the same basically right, it's all drive and kick. You.
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I remember when you and I went to the it
was a couple of years ago when Houston and the
Lakers opened up the season at the Staples Center. We
went to that game together and remember how it it
just hit me and we had seen it for a
few years, but how many times Houston players hard and
Chris Paul at that time would get into the like
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the fifteen foot twelve foot range and be open and
wouldn't shoot right like the it back out, drivel out
of the kick it out, yeah, And it was like,
what are you doing? That's like a wide open thirteen
footer and they weren't taking them and so m it
definitely is strange. But the thing is everybody's playing the
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same way looking for the three. And I look at Philadelphia, Rob,
they got a guy that nobody else in the league
is like in Joel Mbat and how you gonna beat Brooklyn?
You're not outscoring Brooklyn out running them. That would be
one advantage. I don't know if you could beat them
that way, but it be worth a try. Who they
have nobody to handle Joel mb and I would just
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keep throwing them the ball until they until they show
me that they can stop them for real, right, slow
the game down, because if it's up and down, I
think Brooklyn's gonna just outscore them. But you could slow
it down. You got shooters around and beat and just seats.
Give it a try, but I don't think they'll go
that route. But Rob, G, what you got an interest
in stat Yeah, you know, five years ago the SPLA brothers,
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Steph and Clay, they won that first championship, there were
only two teams in the league shooting more than thirty
three pointers in the game. They were one of them.
Fast forward to now twenty twenty one season, there are
four teams shooting more than forty three and only three
teams shooting less than thirty. Wow, that's amazing. That's where
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it is. Well, and here's the other thing, Rob and
I don't think, you know, call them the analytics nerds
or whatever. I don't know that they see this, but
you you know this those Durant Staff Warrior teams. Durant
is a mid range shooter. Now, he could shoot the
three and shoot it well, but he does most of
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his damage in the mid range. And the dudes are
two time champion and one of the best players we've
ever seen. Maybe you think, you know, the midrange shot
has some value still, how about Kauai. That's Kauai's bread
and butter is that pull up mid range shot. So
the thing is, everybody's killing the midrange jumper. Mbat is
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killing people with the mid range shot, but everybody criticizes it.
But many of the best teams and the teams that
are winning their guy, they still have guys that excel
in the mid range. No, that's not just all threes.
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We're excited to talk to him. Mike Sando, Mike, how
are you hey? Good to be back. I'm doing well,
thank you? Yes, great to have perfect time. Yeah. Yeah,
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So let's let's get right to it. Dak Prescott, of course,
gets the huge contract summer, saying is the best in
NFL history. He was ranked twelfth. I believe last year
that's Tier two. I've always said, or I've said like
this past year, that he's in the route. Rob Parker
kills me for it, but I say he's in route
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to being elite, to becoming elite. Do you think Dak
has that in him that he'll become an elite quarterback?
And really what people around the league think? Do they
think that? Yeah? I think he'll be more on the
fringe of that. He was twelve. I thought it was
too low last year. I mean, Carson Wentz was tenth,
and I just thought he should have been higher than
Carson Wentz. And obviously he's going to be going into
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this next year. So yesterday I was actually on the
phone with somebody from a team that we were trying
to count. Okay, how many guys could you put ahead
of Dak? You know, could you justifiably you know, could
you really make the case? And I think we came
up with maybe seven something like that. If you're moving
Josh Allen up past him, would you move Josh Allen
up past him? Some would, not, everybody would. I would
at this point. Yeah. Yeah. So but I mean I
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think he's good. The question that I have really isn't
much to do with him as more of the team.
It's like, you know, you're sort of damned if you
do it and damn if you don't, because they couldn't
when when he was on his rookie deal. I mean,
they won, but they couldn't, you know, get to the
super Bowl or put together a great team. And so
my feel is like, Okay, now it's even harder when
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you're paying at the very top of the market. You're
really paying him as if he's a top five guy,
but is he more like maybe he is a top five,
you know, but maybe he's a top eight. Is that
now you've got to really, you know, smaller margin for
error in the building the rest of your team, which
I don't know that. I mean, Jerry Jones has drafted
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pretty well lately. But I just I'm a little anti Cowboy,
not anti Dack at all. I just feel like it's
not a great setup overall from ownership, coaching stuff that
really doesn't have as much to do with that, but
will affect Dac. What about We talked about this earlier
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in the show and when Dak got hurt last year,
if you remember, Tony Duney got criticism because he said
on the air that it might be a blessing in
disguise because the Cowboys can get back to running the
football and doing what when they were winning at a
higher clip rather than having Dack throw the ball. Does
that make sense hear that or not? Yeah? I mean
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I think that people would like them to be more balanced,
but their defense was so bad that I'm not sure
what else they could do. You know, all due respect
to Tony Genesy, I have no I get that right
last year, but I think you meant they were a
better team when he was when he was a game
manager and Ezekiel Elliott was running the football more did Yeah,
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I understand where he's coming from. And I think there's
a balance on that, you know. I look, I know
what all the analytics and the numbers say, and passing
is more efficient and all that, but I think it
got harder. Look at Russell Wilson, great quarterback, but they
really went towards the past. I think people play it
differently when you become a passing team. I think there's
a fine line there, and it takes good scheming. Like
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I think some of these Kylie Shannahan type systems know
how to do it where they can get you to
play the run. I think if you can make the
defense play the run, you can pass the ball a
lot easier. And so I think that may be what
coach Dungee's getting at is, like, hey, let's not just
be caution to win throwing the ball where that's all
they're worried about. Make him worry about something else and
then Dak will be that much more efficient. I believe
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that for all quarterbacks. And look, Aaron Rodgers is doing
that as great as he is. He can throw it
all over the yard. They've taken the ball out of
his hands, and I think it's made it easier for him.
He was never on the injury report the whole year.
You know, he had numbers as good as ever because
it's a lot easier game to play when you're play
actioning and that type of stuff. Mike Sandals the athletic
(25:47):
joining the aykable might you alluded to it earlier with
you know, the Cowboys couldn't win with Dak on his
rookie deal. How in the word are they going to
win a super Bowl with him making all this money?
We that quarterback? What is it? The highest I think
a quarterback's ever had as far as percentage of the
salary cap was like thirteen percent, fourteen percent. That it's
(26:13):
been high. Okay, it's been high. It's been hiring that.
But I let's follow down this road anyway. Yeah, right,
you're making a good point. Is this going to I
mean that you said it. You got him eighth at
probably the eighth best quarterback in the NFL, But yet
he gets this this top contract. Are we going to
see a correction at some point where teams as important
(26:35):
as quarterbacks are, I mean, they get paid so much
more than everybody else that it can really skew your
chances of winning. Do you think some team will say,
look this, we're not we can't pay our quarterback this
much money even though you're up, even though that's the market,
and that they'll be kind of a balancing out or
it's just going to continue to increase regardless of whether
(26:59):
or not it really is good for your team. Yeah,
I think there's still going to be the fear of
the drives that. I mean, Washington kind of did that
with Kirk Cousins, and they're still looking for somebody as
good as Cousins. You know, it's it's hard to find.
I think Dak Prescott at least you hope that is
going to keep ascending and can be in that top
tier you're hoping for, right. I think what really sets
you back is when you're paying a middle tier or
(27:21):
lower guy like he's a great quarterback, right and expecting
different results. Like Minnesota is a good example of that.
You know, Kirk Cousins pretty good quarterback, but they're never
going to win the championship. But they've been pretty good.
You know, they've been okay, And I guess is that
what you're paying for to be to be just pretty good?
I mean, it's easy for us to say, don't do it,
but do you want everybody to get fired when we
(27:41):
don't have somebody and absolutely terrible at the position, Like
you can say the best thing. Obviously, we all know
the best thing is to draft a good quarterback, have
him on the rookie contract to build your team. But
we can't guess right for sure which one's going to
be the great quarterback. Even last year we're thinking, well,
two is probably better than Herbert. Now everybody would take Herbert.
He went, I'm gonna be great. Now no one wants them.
(28:03):
I'm glad you brought up Tah because I was going
to ask you about the tier where Ta fits in
and Murray because Murray came in a lot of people.
We had a guy on our show, Martin Wise, who
was said he's gonna be the MVP of this past
year and that didn't work out, and then Tah. They
were already going to Fitzpatrick in big moments and after
(28:26):
he got the starting job. So the questions there, where
did those two guys fit in? Yeah, well kind of,
Murray debuted. I don't. I don't put any rookies in
the poll. But last year in the quarterback tiers with
the fifty coaches and the value where there's voting, he
came in at the very top of the third tier,
like ahead of Kirk Cousins, GoF Garoppolo, from guys who
won some games. So there was a lot of optimism
(28:48):
on him. I think if people watched the second half
of their season last year, I don't know who he's
gonna go hired that this year. I mean he may
come into the bottom of the second tier, but I
don't know. I didn't feel it's great second half of
the year about him on TA There's a couple things
at work. Yeah, I think we saw we didn't see,
you know that on that early specialness like we saw
with Herbert. The other thing is Brian Flores just doesn't care.
(29:11):
I mean he will cut Kyle van Noy after one year.
He'll he'll have his defensive coordinator Patrick Graham get out
of here to go to the Giants. We'll sit down
to it during the game and play Ryan Fitzpatrick. I mean,
these are a little bit of unconventional leadership tactics. Right,
we'll change our we'll fire our offensive coordinator who whoever.
(29:32):
I mean, he just sort of does what he's gonna
do and we'll see what that means for the handling
of a quarterback. Right, there's different There's a report or
Chris Sims talking about Miami being all in on getting
Deshaun Watson. Do you do you put much credence into
that that they could get Deshaun or are they going
(29:52):
to try to go with TWA or is it a
matter of noting but Houston may not trade him. Yeah,
I'll say this, I don't think the presence of two
of there would be enough for them to say counters
out of getting somebody like de Shaun Watson. And I
think that would be true for almost anybody. I mean, right,
you know you've seen to Shaun Watson play. Um, you know,
(30:12):
do I think they're going to trade them? I mean,
right now, I don't. I mean, we can only really
go off of what we see. Right, they haven't taken
calls yet. Until that starts happening, They're not going to
trade them. May they may eventually, but there's really no test.
There's no way for either side in that to prove
they're serious, right, I mean, Deshahn Watson's not going to
miss any game checks right right, absolutely until their games,
(30:36):
there's no pressure on either side, all right. I think
the draft, I would say the draft is one thing,
is one missed opportunity. Though, if you were thinking about
trading them and you wait till pass the draft, I
think it's there's fewer teams and in the market's not
quite as good if you're Houston. But but I don't
think that makes them trade them before then either, you
(30:58):
know what I mean? Right, Yeah, that's it is interesting.
If you're Houston, then you're gonna end up trading him,
you probably should do it around the draft, all right,
Mike sandof the great stuff, Man, We're appreciate knowledge, Yes, indeed, Yes, indeed,
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