April 21, 2021 • 39 mins
Chris and Rob explain why some around the NFL are overstating the genius of San Francisco 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan, debate if Steph Curry is out of line for saying he deserves to be the NBA MVP, and tell us why quarterbacks like BYU QB Zach Wilson should be able to succeed no matter what franchise he ends up with - if he's as good as they say.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. Let's go with
um this statement that came out yesterday. Rob By an
NFL drafted man. He was on the show Matt Miller. Right,
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he was on our show and he did his latest
notes and rumors, and he talked to a lot of
people around the NFL. And one NFL draft evaluator was
asked by Matt what quarterback he expected to be the
best in the NFL. All right, Trevor Lawrence, Trey, Lance,
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Mac Jones, Justin Fields, Zach Wilson. This is what he said.
The best QB from this class will be the one
San Francisco drafts and I don't care which one they pick,
he'll be the best one. Given that staff Kyle Shanahan,
head coach and supporting cast there, it is you're rolling
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with that, that's that's high praise. If I didn't know better,
I think that the NFL evaluator was Mike Shanahan or
John Lynch, but it wasn't. So what are your thoughts.
I just think that they've gone so outside, you know,
crazy over Shanahan and what he's able to do everything.
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They never talk about that he can't win you a
super Bowl, that he costs you a super Bowl at
the end of games. So for all the praise of
Shanahan and the family name and all that, I get it.
And he's the smartest guy in the room and what
he can do to this guy and that guy, I'm
not there. I'm not buying into that at that extreme.
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If that was the case, and he would have figured
out a way to win the Super Bowl down the
stretch when you're up by what would they up by
ten points with eight minutes to go, Chris or whatever
it was, you know, ten with eight minutes I believe, yeah, whatever,
eight minutes to go and they and they would and
he would have called the right place at the end
of the freaking uh New England Atlanta super Bowl at
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the twenty two yard line, first and ten in field
goal range, and he blew up when he was the
offensive coordinator, you know what I mean. So well, I'm
not all in on Shanahan as everybody else is. Uh.
And I'm not so sure that whoever goes there is
going to be the best quarterback in the draft, because
I think there's more to it. A scheme is important,
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Chris and I and I get it and I understand it.
But you have to have talent. I don't care. I
don't care what the scheme is. If you're not as talented, Uh,
you might not be able to make those throws or
those plays are open, Chris, but you can't make them
because you're not as accurate or your arms not as strong.
So I agree. I don't think it's just strictly oh yeah,
well he'll he has these great plays and these guys
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will be open. Can I can the quarterback get the ball? There?
There there is and this goes for all the sports rode.
There are people within the leagues and I think a
lot of it's there and not the analytics guys, not
just them, but there are guys that just revel in
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the creativity and you know, the imagination of coaches and
they are enamored with guys that are ultra creative and
do this and that, and that's the type of stuff
you hear about Kyle Shannon. He's a genius, right, He's
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they pick out a handful of guys, Chris and then
and once they get that tech eric man genius that
was his nickname, right, right. And at one point there
were people feeling that way about Adam Gase, Right, I
mean really, and I look, I'm not Obviously the dude
knows football. He's been around football his whole life. Obviously,
his dad was the great coach, and so nobody's questioning
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his ability or his his knowledge of the game. But Rob,
you bring up a good point, and the fact of
the matter is this, when they were up twenty to ten,
was seven and a half minutes left against Kansas City
in the Super Bowl, Shannonhan and the forty nine ers
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had a ninety five point three percent chance of winning
and Chris five point three. They were running the football
the whole game and the season. It ain't like they
weren't running the ball that that that's the part that
didn't make any sense, is that they were running the football. Rob.
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To bolster your point again, in the Super Bowl against
the Patriots when they're up twenty eight twelve with nine
minutes left, he had a ninety nine point six percent
chance of winning. That's when a came down. Came down
from his booth. Chris came down from his body. Look,
everybody thought it was over. And here's the deal. A
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lot of the guys that people praise for all the knowledge,
Oh he's he's taking it to another level. He's a genius.
They get too cute. The smartest man in the room. Right,
it's not about you. It's about your quarterback. It's about
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your running back. You tackle your se your ride receiver,
they're the one. I look. Coaching is important, especially in
the NFL. It is more than any others were in
the NFL. Coaching is big time in ports. So not
ripping that. But when you rob I'm not a football genius.
You're not a football genius. But we knew running the
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dang football. Chris went. When Julio Jones made that catch,
you remember the play. It was third and a million yards.
He makes a great catch on the sidelines that sets
up the Falcons first and ten at the twenty two
I'm not a football coach. Chris, I already know I'm
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in field goal range right at the twenty two. All
I need to do is run the football three times.
I could have kneeled down at the twenty two and
have a makeable field goal. If I make a field goal,
I'm up by eleven. Tom Brady can't beat you, Chris,
Rob this, you're right, And I'll coach because I I
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have no problem with I was pulling for Brady and
I was pulling for my home, so I got no
issue with it. But I'm just saying, my goodness, what
are you doing? And Rob? You know what it reminds
me of? Now, it's a little different. It's a different
situation because Shanahan had these games in the back. Okay,
so it's different. However, you know what it reminds me of.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you to guess it. I'll
give you a hit. We just saw it in this
year's NFL playoffs. NFC Kared, who what you think? I'm
talking to? Green Bay Matt Lafloor. Mike, he's another one.
He Dave Dave. They've dubbed him a genius, and I
guess I'm with you. I mean, you gotta Rogers. I'm sing,
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what what I mean? It's tooth? Is it? Two and
a half minutes left? Chris? Chris? In the red zone
last year, the Packers had the best red zone efficiency
in twenty years. Nope, twenty years, Chris. And in that situation,
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I get it. It wasn't third and four, Chris. It
was I mean fourth and three or fourth and four,
which you would feel better about. But you can't give
up the football with that little bit of time left.
You just can't do it. I'm sorry, I'd rather go
down if you're if you're telling me, Chris, if you're
telling me you're gonna stop him, right, because that's what
he's saying. Then I'm gonna try with Aaron Rodger march right,
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I'm gonna, but I'm gonna try with Aaron Rodgers. If
he fails, then my defense has to stop him. There,
it's the same exact thing. I gotta get a stop
either way, So why not go for it? They would
have the ball in the same exact right. It was
the difference, and Rob, here's what it is. And I'm
gonna take it to other sports. There these some of
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these coaches, some some coaches, some scouts. Some executives, they
they think it's about them and they're playing fantasy football, basketball, whatever.
David Griffin struggling right now in New Orleans. All that
talent you are saying looking good, it wasn't fun. It
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wasn't fun. In Cleveland winning with Lebron James, it wasn't fun.
It was terrible. I wonder wherever his quote was. That's
the essence of it. It ain't about you having fun, dude.
It ain't about you getting to build a team. How
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about Jerry Cross Robe was tired of having Michael Jordan
are getting all the credit for winning, Jerry, It's not
about you. Count your freaking blessings. Dude. You were white
socks scout, you were a Chicago white souse side scout.
I would have what I would have gone, have made
you the general manager the Chicago Bulls. I would have
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jumped on that bandwagon and kept riding and legally let
it let it rod, let it rod, not athletes, not
not not mess it up, right, just don't mess it up.
Count your blessing. You're getting paid six and seven figures
and you've got this otherworldly player or team, and Kyle
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Shannahan's called, you know, a super Bowl team perhaps, and
you want to screw it up because you want to
get killed, because you want some credit, because you want to,
you know, flex your muscle, you want to be creative.
Stop it, Stop it all right, we throw it out
to you, guys. Rob and I got hyped about this.
But am I wrong? Rap? No, I'm just seeing it's
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about I've seen it too often and guys try to
be cute. I brought up a Bill Parcel's situation before
he did it once. Wanted to be the smartest guy
in the room instead of just let the players play.
Let those guys who you know can play play, Stop
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If they tried to dish you, that was good. That
was good right from Yeah, it's my party, Leslie. Yes.
The only way I know it, robbed is I'm thinking
about one. You know, as a kid, when we'd watch
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all these shows, they'd have those commercials for all the
you know these compilation out right, all these hits, Oh yeah,
right yes? Or was it from Happy Days or la
Vernon Shirley, you know, was it in that one of
those shows at one point? Because it might have been
very well, oh yeah, that's a that's a big time song.
It's my party. But Leslie Gore. All right, right, so right,
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I'll read them. I'll make a decision. Do what you
want to. I take a mass stay, come, bring your heat,
bring your fire, and I'll just let it go. You
know I won't. I won't come back at you. Just
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let it go. Bring whatever you want. You already know,
Chris Ay reading them. Listen to hell, whatever you want good,
I'm a public figure. Be bold, Come at me. I
can take it. We got Eddie House at the bottom
of the hour, NBA Champion, Fox Sports Radio NBA and listen,
Rob Parker. Right now you got the Golden State Warriors
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and the Washington Wizards playing, and Steph Curry is on
the role of the season. He is balling out of
his mind. Now he's leading the league in scoring. Oh
what was he gonna do without claim? Can Steph? You
know is he's still that guy Durant's gonna he's about
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to be exposed. He's leading the NBA at thirty one
point four points a game. Well when he plays there
twenty eight and twenty two team that's actually better than
what Lebron was with the Lakers in his first year.
So Steph is balling out there. One in seven without him,
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they don't have much with They gotta beat by fifty
without him. So he ain't out there. He's out there
with a team on the bench. Now he's out there
with a G League team. Rob, He's shooting forty three
percent it from Trey and forty nine percent overall. The
dude is ball In the last month of the season,
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he's averaged forty points a game, and now the drum
roll has begun. Is Steph Curry the MVP? This is
a year, Rob, I remind you when the top players
from the top teams are all hurt. Lebron's hurt, James
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Harden's hurt, Kevin Durant's hurt, Joel Embiid's missed tons of games,
and any other guy. Kawi's out, Donovan Mitchell's out. Now
he wasn't really in the race anyway, but he's out.
Is it that people saying this could be what better
year to give it to a guy that's not winning
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than now because all the winners are injured and he
was asked the question rob By Rex Shopman, former NBA
player on the podcast and Steph he said, are you
the MVP? They asked him. It wasn't he Actually it
was Rex co host that asked it, and he said,
I got to be or we got the sound. Here
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we go real quick? Are you the MVP this year?
I mean, I gotta be in. I gotta be. Okay,
all right, I get it, but I guess whatever. No, no,
I don't say that. Keep going that. Nobody will be
able to just keep this sometimes. So I just just
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setting setting the table. I know you do. I know
you do, all right, Rod Parker, your thoughts softballs all
over the place. There you go. That's what you get
when you athletes just just softball city. Why don't people
have been listened to that? Rob takes that very personal.
I do, Chris, I went to journalism school. I'm sorry.
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I take it personal. And it's fine. It's fine. Don't
get me wrong. When they dressed people up and act
like they're reporters, I have an issue with it. I'm
just they're in the costume. Yeah, that's a cost players
interviewing other players from questions written by other people, like
like come on and all of them, you is, all
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of them are soft and I agree with you, and
we've talked about it. How a lot of times you
don't get the follow up question. You know, you might
hear somebody say, yeah, I you know me and Lebron
play one on one all the time in the summer.
Never crosses their mind asks who wins? Right? Really like
the obvious follow up Chris right, Oh, when they had
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Nate Robinson on after he got knocked out on that podcast,
you know that part of it. I'm sure he told him. Look,
but Chris, I ain't talking about we have had him
on the radio show. If you wouldn't talk about look,
we gotta ask you. You don't comment, right, but we're
asking no doubt all right? But anyway, but but here's
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one thing I will give him, no robe, there is
a comfort level, generally of an athlete with an athlete,
and so you do get to see them in a
different light than you typically do with journalists. I'll give
you that. That's worth something. But you're not gonna get
the hard hitting questions and stuff like that. But you
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do get something out of it just because you get
to see them get that. You know what I'm saying yeah,
because they feel like I gotta I gotta cupcake in
front of me. All right, he's not gonna Yeah, he's
not right, so so so I don't have to worry
about that. And I'm not saying that, Chris. All writers
have to attack people. But there are certain questions and things.
You just said it about follow ups, right, when a
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guy gives you something, that's what you're listening. That's why
you listen to the interview anyway, Steph Curry pulling a
page out of Lebron's book, trying to politic for the award.
Just play, Steph Curry, just play, well, oh yeah, gotta
be mine. It's my They're not gonna give it averaging.
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That's nice. And you know what Kobe fining average thirty
five and and and scored what did he scored eighty
one points in the game and they didn't make they
didn't give it to him. He finished fourth, Chris, And
I get that there's injuries, but as jokis not playing
or am I missing something as this p R. Christian,
does that not matter now all of a sudden, I mean,
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I don't know, I'm analytic gigs Number one vote, Yeah,
I'm asking you, the analytic geeks. Does it do not matter? Now?
Is it just Steff launching up threes? I don't. I'm
analytics geeks due love step you know what they do.
I'm more than Yoki, nah Yo, Yoki is going to
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win unless he gets hurt, he's gonna win, or you know,
unless they are you sure, you know there's a lot
of fan boys in the media. Now, I would rib
I would be shocked at this point. Again, unless they
fall back in the pack without Jamal Murray or he
gets hurt, he's gonna win. He's gonna win. And I mean, look,
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here's STEP's chance. Do this the rest of the season,
which is about another month. So you got like fourteen
more games, so basically average forty for two months of
the season and get them up to the five or
six seed. And the only way six seed will work
is if Denver comes back closer to you. So maybe
you're a game behind Denver. You know, that's the only
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hope he has because winning does count. So I'm with
you on that, Rob. But here's what I got to say.
I love it, I Steph, do you baby? Do you
Rob Parker? This is exactly the mentality you got to
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have if you want to become an all time great
player out of david and Davidson. You know, you can't
just come out of Davidson and be mister nice guy.
You can't just come out of Davidson deferring the Cats.
You can't just come out of Davidson thinking James Harden
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and Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant and Lebron James and
Damian Lillard are better than you. The only way you
come out of freaking Davidson and change the game of
basketball is if you got this kind of heart, Well,
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you can say and you know it's going viral, you
know it's going national, you know they're gonna be debating
in the next morning on the TV talk shows, and
you still got the guts to say, Yeah, you're darn skippy,
I'm the MVP. Well, tonight, kids, can I give you
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tonight the minute I want to give you? This is
your MVP bowed down to Steph, the MVP who's two
for ten tonight because the Pixie dust has worn off
four points, tending in the halftime with five turnovers. That's
the Steph Covery. I know. I knew it because now
with the spotlight on him, and it matters now now
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that he's reentered the race, things have gotten tight on him.
What happened steph five turnovers with just the finals? I
remember with thirty wait, do you remember and the final
minute or whatever? He turned the ball over doing the
behind the back pass? Do you remember that? Here's what
I remember. Here's what I know. If I remember the finals,
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he averages twenty seven points a game in the NBA Finals,
I remember what I know. I remember that one winning
the MVP. That's what I remember. I don't care about
the MVP. Twenty seven points a game in the NBA
Finals morning Kobe Bryant, more than Larry Bird and so
many other greats. How about when he one and the
regular huh when he choked down the NBA Finals? Does
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that bother you at all? No? No, nothing, I mean,
it ain't. It ain't to bother me. But it's it's
it happens. Kevin Durrancho down the three one league the
year Noody ever did it in the finals, Chris down
three in the final, Chris three win team Chris that
was doing in the finals, and do it in the
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first or second round he had his Tom Brady moment.
It's the same exact thing the Patriots to Brady, you're
like the same guy. They're the same guy and the
same insult. That's an insult. Yeah, my goodness. They need
hope to be in the same since with Tom Brady
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or Steph Curry, they need other people. They need Igwa
dollar to win of that dollar evere he average nine
more points than Igwa dollar and they Harry he ll
Lebron under fifty. That's what the right that was? He
ain't guess who was Garden Iguadolla, Timothy mas Good from
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underneath the basket while Igwadolla was sitting out in the
corner at the three point line. Come on, man, that was.
I don't know who were the voters, but that is
a travesty. No, that was. That was one time thirty seven.
I believe in the clincher. Unbelievable. But Rob, I like it.
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I like it, and you like it too, you deep
down inside you like it. The gumption the audacity to say, yeah,
so we the ninth seeds, So what ain't nobody playing
better than me? Uh? Two for ten live turnovers tonight?
There you go up with Rob how many's he gonna
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end up with. It's gonna end up with fourteen. He
gonna really wants I bet you he ass thirty. He's
got four, he's got four. Now a third. No, he's averaging.
You said he's averaging how many thirty he's gonna get forty,
but he gonna get thirty. He's averaging forty point eight
this month. Why, let's what's bet that he has a
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big second half? Chris, what you're afraid of? Hold on?
You said fourteen? Here, here we go. Closer to thirty
or fourteen? Wings lemon pepper quarantine fourteen or thirty? You
said fourteen points. So whatever he's closest to. If he's
closer to thirty, I win. If he's closer to fourteen,
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you win. All right, let's do it all right, Wings
lemon pepper for me. I want I get many two.
You guys gotta buy me and Alex wings. That's fright, Okay,
that'll work. That's from exact two. I want my wings
from the hotel we standing in Miami. When you know
how much it costs to get called Miami. That's all
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of him, and have him ship to Chris Bruso for Miami, Rob, G.
Those wings in Miami were great in the hotel. Yeah,
they were boom, they were really they were. I don't
even think they were on the menu the way you
guys were ordering them. But because you know, it's Bruce
start in Parker like, yeah, I'll hook you guys up right,
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because you guys were ordering them and they I don't
think they were on the menu the way you're ordering.
They weren't even limon pepper. They were garlic parmersan, weren't they. Yeah,
I think they was so good. But but they did
hook us up. Though. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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into this, Rob. We talked about it briefly in the
first hour with our guest. But Zach Wilson, who everybody
seems to think is going to be the second pick
of the draft, uh, going to the Jets. Interesting story
in the Athletic today. They talked to you know, NFL evaluators, coaches,
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g executives, GMS, things like that, scouts, guys that measure talent,
who can play who can't in the league. And the
first two coaches they gave positive feedback on Zach Wilson.
But one coach, rob a quarterbacks coach, all right, he
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said that he thinks Zach Wilson and the Jets is
a bad marriage and that Zach is going to fail here.
It is quote the good with Zach Wilson is really good,
but the bad can be really really bad, and we
need goes to a bad team like the Jets, and
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he's trying to win games. Those are big concerns to me.
He's kind of like Patrick Mahomes coming out of college.
Not a bad comparison, if you you know, I'd love
to be compared to Pat Mahomes. People think now about Mahomes.
The quote goes on as the Super Bowl winning quarterback
and how great he is now, but coming out of
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Texas Tech, he was not this surefire guy. He was
uper talented arm wise, and he does a lot of
stuff that is really sexy now, but he threw a
lot of bad picks and his decision making I thought
was really inconsistent with Wilson. Zach Wilson, you see a
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lot of why would he even try that? When he
gets to the NFL, he's got to retool his game
and you're gonna have to let him learn what he
can throw and what he can't throw. But unlike Mahomes,
Zach won't have Andy Reid to coach him and a
year behind Alex Smith to learn from. I could see
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Zach being a Pro Bowl quarterback quickly like Justin Herbert,
or I could see him being like Drew Locke. If
I had to bet money, I bet it doesn't work
out for him with the Jets. Zach playing right away
in that market with his style woolf, that make me
really nervous. Now, Rod Parker, you know that market, New York,
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what do you think? I think that's a long way.
I don't know who the executive is or quarterback coach,
quarterback coach, or what his history is or asks to
grind or I have no idea. I just think that's
a long way to go to try to figure out
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who's going to be good. And you know, you got
a new coach, new people there. This isn't gaze Chris,
where it was awful the last couple of years. I
just I think that's just a reach to really figure out.
I mean, as bad as the Jets are mean at it.
They don't won a Super bowls his nineteen sixty nine, Chris,
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I get it. They did go to AFC Championship game
twice with Rex Ryan. That wasn't a hundred years ago?
Was it feels like it? But no, it wasn't. But
am I right? Though? They went to Foxborough they beat
the Patriots. If you remember who was the quarterback, Mark Sanchi,
they won a super Bowl? Right, they won a Super Bowl? Right?
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Who the Jets? That was in the sixties. I'm just talking.
I'm just saying they won a super Bowl. Right. But
my point is like, don't act like like nothing has
worked there for a hundred years. Go look around. I
do your research, do your homework. Try to find how
many quarterbacks have four playoff road wins in their in
their career, four road playoff wins. Not a lot of people.
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The Jets did it during the run with Sanchez and
and Rex Ryan. My only point is, you know what
him him stepping out on the limb, saying they ain't
gonna work for the Jets is easy, Chris. Anybody can
say that they haven't had enough success over the last
number of years. They drafted Sam Donald that didn't work
out with Gaze. So for him to say that is
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not that big of a leap of jumping out there
and saying, oh, this isn't gonna work Because most of
the time, fifty sixty percent of the time Chris quarterbacks
don't work out. That's just the reality of it. I
don't care what you did in college. Most of them
don't work out. I think more don't than do. Absolutely.
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I mean, look, Trevor Lawrence. Folks are raving about Zach Wilson.
Folks are raving about I was watching something the other day, Rob.
They were just talking about one throw at the com
at not even a combat at the pro day, no less,
one throw at a pro day, and they were making
it legendary. It was a great throw. But right, you're
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not wearing pads. There's no defenders, not even defensive backs.
All right, So justin fields, they're raving about Trey Lance
out of North Dakota State, they're raving about all of
a sudden, Matt Jones is the cats me out. I mean, Rob,
probably at least three of these five dudes won't be
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that good, Emma, right, Probably at least three and maybe
four or maybe all of them. We just don't know.
We really don't know who can adapt, whose game goes
to the next level. It's hard to just say, oh,
well he had success in college. Trevor Lawrence might not
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work out. He won all these games maybe in that system,
no matter what I mean. And even if you go
back to and they say, since right a prospect, since
Peyton Manning, is that what they're talking about Andrew Andrew Luck?
But anyway, Peyton Mannings did he start out house so
fire Chris through through a ton of interceptions. It was
that early on, right, he got there and became a
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great quarterback and put them Now they aren't that patient
if he had a rookie year this year like he
had like oh, I mean, Grant, it was different at
that time. I mean, you could actually manage the first
three years, Chris, go look at the numbers you could hit. Well,
remember the numbers now, you know, I mean you can
go to some of his numbers in his great years
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and they wouldn't look great as great now, you know
what I'm saying, because the numbers are so different nowadays.
Interceptions mainly is the big thing. But um, but the
point is this Here's what I'll say about this quote
about Zach Wilson. Uh. I think, look, Robert solid. None
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of us know what kind of head coach he's gonna be,
but so far the reviews are raving, right. I mean,
the players in San Francisco loved him. You know, everybody's
talking very you know, positively about him. So I think,
you know that's a positive. Joe Douglas did not choose
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Adam Gasee. Joe Douglass seems okay. I mean, we'll see,
but he seems solid, you know, I don't. You made
a good point that it wasn't that long ago when
they were actually one of the best teams in the AFCY.
So it's not just just horrible franchise that Dad's never
have any semblance of success. Right. And the other thing
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is this Rob Weren't they saying the same thing about
Cincinnati and Joe Burrow. But Joe Burrow did his thing right,
He did his thing, and if you're that guy, then
you're gonna be able to turn that place right. You're
if you're that guy, you're gonna be able to impact
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the culture because you're the quarterback. It's there for you
to do it. If you are the quarterback and you
have that type of personality and leadership, you will affect
the culture. Now, if you're not that guy, it doesn't
mean you can't win. Because maybe there's another person in
the locker room, right, a linebacker or some veteran superstar
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who drives the culture. That's fine, maybe the coach, but
ideally it's the quarterback. And if you're that guy, you're
gonna step in there and change things. And so that
must be stated when you talk about this. Now, I
will say this, Rob Zach Wilson. I saw a little
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bit of him. I'm not gonna act like I've been
been devout and tape or Zach Wilson, but I've seen
a little bit of him and obviously read a lot
and heard a lot of people talking about him. He
seems they say, he's, you know, the guy that will
try any past and a bit reckless. You know who
That sounds like Sam Durnal. Oh well, yeah, far too.
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But Sam Durnal robe at usc was like that. He
threw picks, he tried you know, impossible throws. He was careless, reckless,
and he was outstanding at times too. Obviously he was
a number three pick, but remember Rob, Now everybody's down
on Durnal, Right, what were they saying about him three
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four years ago? Gonna be awesome? Yea, even t J
houshman Zada Chris who worked out with him and could
do nothing but rave about the guy. He's a here's
an all Pro wide receiver in the NFL, played a
long time. I would say he knows a little something
about catching footballs from somebody, right, and whether they got
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it or not, he was all in absolutely, So it's interesting, Rob,
I wonder, and again I don't. I haven't seen them
enough to really know it. But are they drafted another
Sam Darnal? And I'm not even saying this like another
guy that's gonna fail, because I do still think the
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verdicts out on Donald. I mean, obviously it hasn't been
a great start, but he has some things working against him.
We'll see what he does in his new place. But
are they drafting another Sam Donald? It's possible, right because
Darnald nobody was more talented than Sam Darnald. Yeah, you
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just it's like I said, you just don't know. And
then you just brought up the other point that I
think is fair and is accurate. You don't have as
long as a leash, Chris, as you used to have
in this league, right, You just don't. You weren't even
always expected to start your first year, right, A lot
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in a lot of cases, No, a lot of cases.
We told that. We always talk about Aaron Rodgers, Chris
three years. Can you imagine nowadays a guy of his
talent didn't play for three years? Can you imagine he
sat there, He'd be labeled to bust? Right, what were
they thinking? Three? You got Brett Farve for here's Peyton
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many first year rob twenty six touchdowns, twenty eight picks
led the league. Now his second and third years he
made the Pro Bowl. Twenty six touchdown Yeah, second and
third years he through for over four thousand yards both years.
Second year twenty six touchdowns, fifteen picks, which today people
might roll their eyes at. Right, that's a lot of picks. No,
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no yet. And then his second third year he led
the league in yardage and touchdowns with thirty three. But
still have fifteen picks. Fourth year twenty six touchdowns, twenty
three picks. I mean then they fought a lot more
picks back then. But but the thing is, Chris, if
you look at Jamis Winston's first five years or four years,
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I think he had less picks than than Manning. No,
I would doubt it if you look at the number,
because Manny had a lot. You just said it. Even
in this fourth year he jumped back up into the twenties. Right,
But you know that, right, you just can't compare, you know,
the numbers without the context, because you can you can
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look up Hall of famers who had tons of picks.
I mean, not even just Brett Farvee. You know this,
because you could hit the quarterback, you had to worry
about getting clocked. The receivers had to worry about getting clocked,
you know what I mean. It was a different game.
And so it doesn't mean these dudes are better, even
though they're really good nowadays. But it was just a
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whole different game. And so the numbers, if all you
young uns out there that's gonna look up Terry Bradshaw,
it's like what he all that? Right? Remember the guy
was saying Ryan Fitzpatrick has more touchdowns than Troy Aikman.
The different game, Man, different game.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
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um this statement that came out yesterday. Rob By an
NFL drafted man. He was on the show Matt Miller. Right,
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he was on our show and he did his latest
notes and rumors, and he talked to a lot of
people around the NFL. And one NFL draft evaluator was
asked by Matt what quarterback he expected to be the
best in the NFL. All right, Trevor Lawrence, Trey, Lance,
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Mac Jones, Justin Fields, Zach Wilson. This is what he said.
The best QB from this class will be the one
San Francisco drafts and I don't care which one they pick,
he'll be the best one. Given that staff Kyle Shanahan,
head coach and supporting cast there, it is you're rolling
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with that, that's that's high praise. If I didn't know better,
I think that the NFL evaluator was Mike Shanahan or
John Lynch, but it wasn't. So what are your thoughts.
I just think that they've gone so outside, you know,
crazy over Shanahan and what he's able to do everything.
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They never talk about that he can't win you a
super Bowl, that he costs you a super Bowl at
the end of games. So for all the praise of
Shanahan and the family name and all that, I get it.
And he's the smartest guy in the room and what
he can do to this guy and that guy, I'm
not there. I'm not buying into that at that extreme.
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If that was the case, and he would have figured
out a way to win the Super Bowl down the
stretch when you're up by what would they up by
ten points with eight minutes to go, Chris or whatever
it was, you know, ten with eight minutes I believe, yeah, whatever,
eight minutes to go and they and they would and
he would have called the right place at the end
of the freaking uh New England Atlanta super Bowl at
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the twenty two yard line, first and ten in field
goal range, and he blew up when he was the
offensive coordinator, you know what I mean. So well, I'm
not all in on Shanahan as everybody else is. Uh.
And I'm not so sure that whoever goes there is
going to be the best quarterback in the draft, because
I think there's more to it. A scheme is important,
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Chris and I and I get it and I understand it.
But you have to have talent. I don't care. I
don't care what the scheme is. If you're not as talented, Uh,
you might not be able to make those throws or
those plays are open, Chris, but you can't make them
because you're not as accurate or your arms not as strong.
So I agree. I don't think it's just strictly oh yeah,
well he'll he has these great plays and these guys
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will be open. Can I can the quarterback get the ball? There?
There there is and this goes for all the sports rode.
There are people within the leagues and I think a
lot of it's there and not the analytics guys, not
just them, but there are guys that just revel in
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the creativity and you know, the imagination of coaches and
they are enamored with guys that are ultra creative and
do this and that, and that's the type of stuff
you hear about Kyle Shannon. He's a genius, right, He's
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they pick out a handful of guys, Chris and then
and once they get that tech eric man genius that
was his nickname, right, right. And at one point there
were people feeling that way about Adam Gase, Right, I
mean really, and I look, I'm not Obviously the dude
knows football. He's been around football his whole life. Obviously,
his dad was the great coach, and so nobody's questioning
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his ability or his his knowledge of the game. But Rob,
you bring up a good point, and the fact of
the matter is this, when they were up twenty to ten,
was seven and a half minutes left against Kansas City
in the Super Bowl, Shannonhan and the forty nine ers
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had a ninety five point three percent chance of winning
and Chris five point three. They were running the football
the whole game and the season. It ain't like they
weren't running the ball that that that's the part that
didn't make any sense, is that they were running the football. Rob.
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To bolster your point again, in the Super Bowl against
the Patriots when they're up twenty eight twelve with nine
minutes left, he had a ninety nine point six percent
chance of winning. That's when a came down. Came down
from his booth. Chris came down from his body. Look,
everybody thought it was over. And here's the deal. A
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lot of the guys that people praise for all the knowledge,
Oh he's he's taking it to another level. He's a genius.
They get too cute. The smartest man in the room. Right,
it's not about you. It's about your quarterback. It's about
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your running back. You tackle your se your ride receiver,
they're the one. I look. Coaching is important, especially in
the NFL. It is more than any others were in
the NFL. Coaching is big time in ports. So not
ripping that. But when you rob I'm not a football genius.
You're not a football genius. But we knew running the
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dang football. Chris went. When Julio Jones made that catch,
you remember the play. It was third and a million yards.
He makes a great catch on the sidelines that sets
up the Falcons first and ten at the twenty two
I'm not a football coach. Chris, I already know I'm
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in field goal range right at the twenty two. All
I need to do is run the football three times.
I could have kneeled down at the twenty two and
have a makeable field goal. If I make a field goal,
I'm up by eleven. Tom Brady can't beat you, Chris,
Rob this, you're right, And I'll coach because I I
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have no problem with I was pulling for Brady and
I was pulling for my home, so I got no
issue with it. But I'm just saying, my goodness, what
are you doing? And Rob? You know what it reminds
me of? Now, it's a little different. It's a different
situation because Shanahan had these games in the back. Okay,
so it's different. However, you know what it reminds me of.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you to guess it. I'll
give you a hit. We just saw it in this
year's NFL playoffs. NFC Kared, who what you think? I'm
talking to? Green Bay Matt Lafloor. Mike, he's another one.
He Dave Dave. They've dubbed him a genius, and I
guess I'm with you. I mean, you gotta Rogers. I'm sing,
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what what I mean? It's tooth? Is it? Two and
a half minutes left? Chris? Chris? In the red zone
last year, the Packers had the best red zone efficiency
in twenty years. Nope, twenty years, Chris. And in that situation,
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I get it. It wasn't third and four, Chris. It
was I mean fourth and three or fourth and four,
which you would feel better about. But you can't give
up the football with that little bit of time left.
You just can't do it. I'm sorry, I'd rather go
down if you're if you're telling me, Chris, if you're
telling me you're gonna stop him, right, because that's what
he's saying. Then I'm gonna try with Aaron Rodger march right,
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I'm gonna, but I'm gonna try with Aaron Rodgers. If
he fails, then my defense has to stop him. There,
it's the same exact thing. I gotta get a stop
either way, So why not go for it? They would
have the ball in the same exact right. It was
the difference, and Rob, here's what it is. And I'm
gonna take it to other sports. There these some of
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these coaches, some some coaches, some scouts. Some executives, they
they think it's about them and they're playing fantasy football, basketball, whatever.
David Griffin struggling right now in New Orleans. All that
talent you are saying looking good, it wasn't fun. It
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wasn't fun. In Cleveland winning with Lebron James, it wasn't fun.
It was terrible. I wonder wherever his quote was. That's
the essence of it. It ain't about you having fun, dude.
It ain't about you getting to build a team. How
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about Jerry Cross Robe was tired of having Michael Jordan
are getting all the credit for winning, Jerry, It's not
about you. Count your freaking blessings. Dude. You were white
socks scout, you were a Chicago white souse side scout.
I would have what I would have gone, have made
you the general manager the Chicago Bulls. I would have
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jumped on that bandwagon and kept riding and legally let
it let it rod, let it rod, not athletes, not
not not mess it up, right, just don't mess it up.
Count your blessing. You're getting paid six and seven figures
and you've got this otherworldly player or team, and Kyle
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Shannahan's called, you know, a super Bowl team perhaps, and
you want to screw it up because you want to
get killed, because you want some credit, because you want to,
you know, flex your muscle, you want to be creative.
Stop it, Stop it all right, we throw it out
to you, guys. Rob and I got hyped about this.
But am I wrong? Rap? No, I'm just seeing it's
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about I've seen it too often and guys try to
be cute. I brought up a Bill Parcel's situation before
he did it once. Wanted to be the smartest guy
in the room instead of just let the players play.
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If they tried to dish you, that was good. That
was good right from Yeah, it's my party, Leslie. Yes.
The only way I know it, robbed is I'm thinking
about one. You know, as a kid, when we'd watch
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all these shows, they'd have those commercials for all the
you know these compilation out right, all these hits, Oh yeah,
right yes? Or was it from Happy Days or la
Vernon Shirley, you know, was it in that one of
those shows at one point? Because it might have been
very well, oh yeah, that's a that's a big time song.
It's my party. But Leslie Gore. All right, right, so right,
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look block you. I'm at Chris underscore Bruce hard on Twitter,
Chris Bruce R sixty eight on the grams different Chris won't.
I'll read them. I'll make a decision. Do what you
want to. I take a mass stay, come, bring your heat,
bring your fire, and I'll just let it go. You
know I won't. I won't come back at you. Just
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let it go. Bring whatever you want. You already know,
Chris Ay reading them. Listen to hell, whatever you want good,
I'm a public figure. Be bold, Come at me. I
can take it. We got Eddie House at the bottom
of the hour, NBA Champion, Fox Sports Radio NBA and listen,
Rob Parker. Right now you got the Golden State Warriors
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and the Washington Wizards playing, and Steph Curry is on
the role of the season. He is balling out of
his mind. Now he's leading the league in scoring. Oh
what was he gonna do without claim? Can Steph? You
know is he's still that guy Durant's gonna he's about
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to be exposed. He's leading the NBA at thirty one
point four points a game. Well when he plays there
twenty eight and twenty two team that's actually better than
what Lebron was with the Lakers in his first year.
So Steph is balling out there. One in seven without him,
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they don't have much with They gotta beat by fifty
without him. So he ain't out there. He's out there
with a team on the bench. Now he's out there
with a G League team. Rob, He's shooting forty three
percent it from Trey and forty nine percent overall. The
dude is ball In the last month of the season,
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he's averaged forty points a game, and now the drum
roll has begun. Is Steph Curry the MVP? This is
a year, Rob, I remind you when the top players
from the top teams are all hurt. Lebron's hurt, James
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Harden's hurt, Kevin Durant's hurt, Joel Embiid's missed tons of games,
and any other guy. Kawi's out, Donovan Mitchell's out. Now
he wasn't really in the race anyway, but he's out.
Is it that people saying this could be what better
year to give it to a guy that's not winning
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than now because all the winners are injured and he
was asked the question rob By Rex Shopman, former NBA
player on the podcast and Steph he said, are you
the MVP? They asked him. It wasn't he Actually it
was Rex co host that asked it, and he said,
I got to be or we got the sound. Here
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we go real quick? Are you the MVP this year?
I mean, I gotta be in. I gotta be. Okay,
all right, I get it, but I guess whatever. No, no,
I don't say that. Keep going that. Nobody will be
able to just keep this sometimes. So I just just
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setting setting the table. I know you do. I know
you do, all right, Rod Parker, your thoughts softballs all
over the place. There you go. That's what you get
when you athletes just just softball city. Why don't people
have been listened to that? Rob takes that very personal.
I do, Chris, I went to journalism school. I'm sorry.
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I take it personal. And it's fine. It's fine. Don't
get me wrong. When they dressed people up and act
like they're reporters, I have an issue with it. I'm
just they're in the costume. Yeah, that's a cost players
interviewing other players from questions written by other people, like
like come on and all of them, you is, all
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of them are soft and I agree with you, and
we've talked about it. How a lot of times you
don't get the follow up question. You know, you might
hear somebody say, yeah, I you know me and Lebron
play one on one all the time in the summer.
Never crosses their mind asks who wins? Right? Really like
the obvious follow up Chris right, Oh, when they had
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Nate Robinson on after he got knocked out on that podcast,
you know that part of it. I'm sure he told him. Look,
but Chris, I ain't talking about we have had him
on the radio show. If you wouldn't talk about look,
we gotta ask you. You don't comment, right, but we're
asking no doubt all right? But anyway, but but here's
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one thing I will give him, no robe, there is
a comfort level, generally of an athlete with an athlete,
and so you do get to see them in a
different light than you typically do with journalists. I'll give
you that. That's worth something. But you're not gonna get
the hard hitting questions and stuff like that. But you
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do get something out of it just because you get
to see them get that. You know what I'm saying yeah,
because they feel like I gotta I gotta cupcake in
front of me. All right, he's not gonna Yeah, he's
not right, so so so I don't have to worry
about that. And I'm not saying that, Chris. All writers
have to attack people. But there are certain questions and things.
You just said it about follow ups, right, when a
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guy gives you something, that's what you're listening. That's why
you listen to the interview anyway, Steph Curry pulling a
page out of Lebron's book, trying to politic for the award.
Just play, Steph Curry, just play, well, oh yeah, gotta
be mine. It's my They're not gonna give it averaging.
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That's nice. And you know what Kobe fining average thirty
five and and and scored what did he scored eighty
one points in the game and they didn't make they
didn't give it to him. He finished fourth, Chris, And
I get that there's injuries, but as jokis not playing
or am I missing something as this p R. Christian,
does that not matter now all of a sudden, I mean,
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I don't know, I'm analytic gigs Number one vote, Yeah,
I'm asking you, the analytic geeks. Does it do not matter? Now?
Is it just Steff launching up threes? I don't. I'm
analytics geeks due love step you know what they do.
I'm more than Yoki, nah Yo, Yoki is going to
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win unless he gets hurt, he's gonna win, or you know,
unless they are you sure, you know there's a lot
of fan boys in the media. Now, I would rib
I would be shocked at this point. Again, unless they
fall back in the pack without Jamal Murray or he
gets hurt, he's gonna win. He's gonna win. And I mean, look,
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here's STEP's chance. Do this the rest of the season,
which is about another month. So you got like fourteen
more games, so basically average forty for two months of
the season and get them up to the five or
six seed. And the only way six seed will work
is if Denver comes back closer to you. So maybe
you're a game behind Denver. You know, that's the only
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hope he has because winning does count. So I'm with
you on that, Rob. But here's what I got to say.
I love it, I Steph, do you baby? Do you
Rob Parker? This is exactly the mentality you got to
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have if you want to become an all time great
player out of david and Davidson. You know, you can't
just come out of Davidson and be mister nice guy.
You can't just come out of Davidson deferring the Cats.
You can't just come out of Davidson thinking James Harden
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and Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant and Lebron James and
Damian Lillard are better than you. The only way you
come out of freaking Davidson and change the game of
basketball is if you got this kind of heart, Well,
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you can say and you know it's going viral, you
know it's going national, you know they're gonna be debating
in the next morning on the TV talk shows, and
you still got the guts to say, Yeah, you're darn skippy,
I'm the MVP. Well, tonight, kids, can I give you
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tonight the minute I want to give you? This is
your MVP bowed down to Steph, the MVP who's two
for ten tonight because the Pixie dust has worn off
four points, tending in the halftime with five turnovers. That's
the Steph Covery. I know. I knew it because now
with the spotlight on him, and it matters now now
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that he's reentered the race, things have gotten tight on him.
What happened steph five turnovers with just the finals? I
remember with thirty wait, do you remember and the final
minute or whatever? He turned the ball over doing the
behind the back pass? Do you remember that? Here's what
I remember. Here's what I know. If I remember the finals,
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he averages twenty seven points a game in the NBA Finals,
I remember what I know. I remember that one winning
the MVP. That's what I remember. I don't care about
the MVP. Twenty seven points a game in the NBA
Finals morning Kobe Bryant, more than Larry Bird and so
many other greats. How about when he one and the
regular huh when he choked down the NBA Finals? Does
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that bother you at all? No? No, nothing, I mean,
it ain't. It ain't to bother me. But it's it's
it happens. Kevin Durrancho down the three one league the
year Noody ever did it in the finals, Chris down
three in the final, Chris three win team Chris that
was doing in the finals, and do it in the
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first or second round he had his Tom Brady moment.
It's the same exact thing the Patriots to Brady, you're
like the same guy. They're the same guy and the
same insult. That's an insult. Yeah, my goodness. They need
hope to be in the same since with Tom Brady
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or Steph Curry, they need other people. They need Igwa
dollar to win of that dollar evere he average nine
more points than Igwa dollar and they Harry he ll
Lebron under fifty. That's what the right that was? He
ain't guess who was Garden Iguadolla, Timothy mas Good from
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underneath the basket while Igwadolla was sitting out in the
corner at the three point line. Come on, man, that was.
I don't know who were the voters, but that is
a travesty. No, that was. That was one time thirty seven.
I believe in the clincher. Unbelievable. But Rob, I like it.
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I like it, and you like it too, you deep
down inside you like it. The gumption the audacity to say, yeah,
so we the ninth seeds, So what ain't nobody playing
better than me? Uh? Two for ten live turnovers tonight?
There you go up with Rob how many's he gonna
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end up with. It's gonna end up with fourteen. He
gonna really wants I bet you he ass thirty. He's
got four, he's got four. Now a third. No, he's averaging.
You said he's averaging how many thirty he's gonna get forty,
but he gonna get thirty. He's averaging forty point eight
this month. Why, let's what's bet that he has a
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big second half? Chris, what you're afraid of? Hold on?
You said fourteen? Here, here we go. Closer to thirty
or fourteen? Wings lemon pepper quarantine fourteen or thirty? You
said fourteen points. So whatever he's closest to. If he's
closer to thirty, I win. If he's closer to fourteen,
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you win. All right, let's do it all right, Wings
lemon pepper for me. I want I get many two.
You guys gotta buy me and Alex wings. That's fright, Okay,
that'll work. That's from exact two. I want my wings
from the hotel we standing in Miami. When you know
how much it costs to get called Miami. That's all
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of him, and have him ship to Chris Bruso for Miami, Rob, G.
Those wings in Miami were great in the hotel. Yeah,
they were boom, they were really they were. I don't
even think they were on the menu the way you
guys were ordering them. But because you know, it's Bruce
start in Parker like, yeah, I'll hook you guys up right,
(26:17):
because you guys were ordering them and they I don't
think they were on the menu the way you're ordering.
They weren't even limon pepper. They were garlic parmersan, weren't they. Yeah,
I think they was so good. But but they did
hook us up. Though. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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(26:38):
into this, Rob. We talked about it briefly in the
first hour with our guest. But Zach Wilson, who everybody
seems to think is going to be the second pick
of the draft, uh, going to the Jets. Interesting story
in the Athletic today. They talked to you know, NFL evaluators, coaches,
(27:06):
g executives, GMS, things like that, scouts, guys that measure talent,
who can play who can't in the league. And the
first two coaches they gave positive feedback on Zach Wilson.
But one coach, rob a quarterbacks coach, all right, he
(27:31):
said that he thinks Zach Wilson and the Jets is
a bad marriage and that Zach is going to fail here.
It is quote the good with Zach Wilson is really good,
but the bad can be really really bad, and we
need goes to a bad team like the Jets, and
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he's trying to win games. Those are big concerns to me.
He's kind of like Patrick Mahomes coming out of college.
Not a bad comparison, if you you know, I'd love
to be compared to Pat Mahomes. People think now about Mahomes.
The quote goes on as the Super Bowl winning quarterback
and how great he is now, but coming out of
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Texas Tech, he was not this surefire guy. He was
uper talented arm wise, and he does a lot of
stuff that is really sexy now, but he threw a
lot of bad picks and his decision making I thought
was really inconsistent with Wilson. Zach Wilson, you see a
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lot of why would he even try that? When he
gets to the NFL, he's got to retool his game
and you're gonna have to let him learn what he
can throw and what he can't throw. But unlike Mahomes,
Zach won't have Andy Reid to coach him and a
year behind Alex Smith to learn from. I could see
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Zach being a Pro Bowl quarterback quickly like Justin Herbert,
or I could see him being like Drew Locke. If
I had to bet money, I bet it doesn't work
out for him with the Jets. Zach playing right away
in that market with his style woolf, that make me
really nervous. Now, Rod Parker, you know that market, New York,
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what do you think? I think that's a long way.
I don't know who the executive is or quarterback coach,
quarterback coach, or what his history is or asks to
grind or I have no idea. I just think that's
a long way to go to try to figure out
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who's going to be good. And you know, you got
a new coach, new people there. This isn't gaze Chris,
where it was awful the last couple of years. I
just I think that's just a reach to really figure out.
I mean, as bad as the Jets are mean at it.
They don't won a Super bowls his nineteen sixty nine, Chris,
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I get it. They did go to AFC Championship game
twice with Rex Ryan. That wasn't a hundred years ago?
Was it feels like it? But no, it wasn't. But
am I right? Though? They went to Foxborough they beat
the Patriots. If you remember who was the quarterback, Mark Sanchi,
they won a super Bowl? Right, they won a Super Bowl? Right?
(30:25):
Who the Jets? That was in the sixties. I'm just talking.
I'm just saying they won a super Bowl. Right. But
my point is like, don't act like like nothing has
worked there for a hundred years. Go look around. I
do your research, do your homework. Try to find how
many quarterbacks have four playoff road wins in their in
their career, four road playoff wins. Not a lot of people.
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The Jets did it during the run with Sanchez and
and Rex Ryan. My only point is, you know what
him him stepping out on the limb, saying they ain't
gonna work for the Jets is easy, Chris. Anybody can
say that they haven't had enough success over the last
number of years. They drafted Sam Donald that didn't work
out with Gaze. So for him to say that is
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not that big of a leap of jumping out there
and saying, oh, this isn't gonna work Because most of
the time, fifty sixty percent of the time Chris quarterbacks
don't work out. That's just the reality of it. I
don't care what you did in college. Most of them
don't work out. I think more don't than do. Absolutely.
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I mean, look, Trevor Lawrence. Folks are raving about Zach Wilson.
Folks are raving about I was watching something the other day, Rob.
They were just talking about one throw at the com
at not even a combat at the pro day, no less,
one throw at a pro day, and they were making
it legendary. It was a great throw. But right, you're
(31:54):
not wearing pads. There's no defenders, not even defensive backs.
All right, So justin fields, they're raving about Trey Lance
out of North Dakota State, they're raving about all of
a sudden, Matt Jones is the cats me out. I mean, Rob,
probably at least three of these five dudes won't be
(32:19):
that good, Emma, right, Probably at least three and maybe
four or maybe all of them. We just don't know.
We really don't know who can adapt, whose game goes
to the next level. It's hard to just say, oh,
well he had success in college. Trevor Lawrence might not
(32:40):
work out. He won all these games maybe in that system,
no matter what I mean. And even if you go
back to and they say, since right a prospect, since
Peyton Manning, is that what they're talking about Andrew Andrew Luck?
But anyway, Peyton Mannings did he start out house so
fire Chris through through a ton of interceptions. It was
that early on, right, he got there and became a
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great quarterback and put them Now they aren't that patient
if he had a rookie year this year like he
had like oh, I mean, Grant, it was different at
that time. I mean, you could actually manage the first
three years, Chris, go look at the numbers you could hit. Well,
remember the numbers now, you know, I mean you can
go to some of his numbers in his great years
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and they wouldn't look great as great now, you know
what I'm saying, because the numbers are so different nowadays.
Interceptions mainly is the big thing. But um, but the
point is this Here's what I'll say about this quote
about Zach Wilson. Uh. I think, look, Robert solid. None
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of us know what kind of head coach he's gonna be,
but so far the reviews are raving, right. I mean,
the players in San Francisco loved him. You know, everybody's
talking very you know, positively about him. So I think,
you know that's a positive. Joe Douglas did not choose
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Adam Gasee. Joe Douglass seems okay. I mean, we'll see,
but he seems solid, you know, I don't. You made
a good point that it wasn't that long ago when
they were actually one of the best teams in the AFCY.
So it's not just just horrible franchise that Dad's never
have any semblance of success. Right. And the other thing
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is this Rob Weren't they saying the same thing about
Cincinnati and Joe Burrow. But Joe Burrow did his thing right,
He did his thing, and if you're that guy, then
you're gonna be able to turn that place right. You're
if you're that guy, you're gonna be able to impact
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the culture because you're the quarterback. It's there for you
to do it. If you are the quarterback and you
have that type of personality and leadership, you will affect
the culture. Now, if you're not that guy, it doesn't
mean you can't win. Because maybe there's another person in
the locker room, right, a linebacker or some veteran superstar
(35:16):
who drives the culture. That's fine, maybe the coach, but
ideally it's the quarterback. And if you're that guy, you're
gonna step in there and change things. And so that
must be stated when you talk about this. Now, I
will say this, Rob Zach Wilson. I saw a little
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bit of him. I'm not gonna act like I've been
been devout and tape or Zach Wilson, but I've seen
a little bit of him and obviously read a lot
and heard a lot of people talking about him. He
seems they say, he's, you know, the guy that will
try any past and a bit reckless. You know who
That sounds like Sam Durnal. Oh well, yeah, far too.
(36:03):
But Sam Durnal robe at usc was like that. He
threw picks, he tried you know, impossible throws. He was careless, reckless,
and he was outstanding at times too. Obviously he was
a number three pick, but remember Rob, Now everybody's down
on Durnal, Right, what were they saying about him three
(36:26):
four years ago? Gonna be awesome? Yea, even t J
houshman Zada Chris who worked out with him and could
do nothing but rave about the guy. He's a here's
an all Pro wide receiver in the NFL, played a
long time. I would say he knows a little something
about catching footballs from somebody, right, and whether they got
(36:47):
it or not, he was all in absolutely, So it's interesting, Rob,
I wonder, and again I don't. I haven't seen them
enough to really know it. But are they drafted another
Sam Darnal? And I'm not even saying this like another
guy that's gonna fail, because I do still think the
(37:08):
verdicts out on Donald. I mean, obviously it hasn't been
a great start, but he has some things working against him.
We'll see what he does in his new place. But
are they drafting another Sam Donald? It's possible, right because
Darnald nobody was more talented than Sam Darnald. Yeah, you
(37:28):
just it's like I said, you just don't know. And
then you just brought up the other point that I
think is fair and is accurate. You don't have as
long as a leash, Chris, as you used to have
in this league, right, You just don't. You weren't even
always expected to start your first year, right, A lot
(37:49):
in a lot of cases, No, a lot of cases.
We told that. We always talk about Aaron Rodgers, Chris
three years. Can you imagine nowadays a guy of his
talent didn't play for three years? Can you imagine he
sat there, He'd be labeled to bust? Right, what were
they thinking? Three? You got Brett Farve for here's Peyton
(38:13):
many first year rob twenty six touchdowns, twenty eight picks
led the league. Now his second and third years he
made the Pro Bowl. Twenty six touchdown Yeah, second and
third years he through for over four thousand yards both years.
Second year twenty six touchdowns, fifteen picks, which today people
might roll their eyes at. Right, that's a lot of picks. No,
(38:36):
no yet. And then his second third year he led
the league in yardage and touchdowns with thirty three. But
still have fifteen picks. Fourth year twenty six touchdowns, twenty
three picks. I mean then they fought a lot more
picks back then. But but the thing is, Chris, if
you look at Jamis Winston's first five years or four years,
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I think he had less picks than than Manning. No,
I would doubt it if you look at the number,
because Manny had a lot. You just said it. Even
in this fourth year he jumped back up into the twenties. Right,
But you know that, right, you just can't compare, you know,
the numbers without the context, because you can you can
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look up Hall of famers who had tons of picks.
I mean, not even just Brett Farvee. You know this,
because you could hit the quarterback, you had to worry
about getting clocked. The receivers had to worry about getting clocked,
you know what I mean. It was a different game.
And so it doesn't mean these dudes are better, even
though they're really good nowadays. But it was just a
(39:40):
whole different game. And so the numbers, if all you
young uns out there that's gonna look up Terry Bradshaw,
it's like what he all that? Right? Remember the guy
was saying Ryan Fitzpatrick has more touchdowns than Troy Aikman.
The different game, Man, different game.
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