November 23, 2021 • 34 mins
Chris and Rob debate whether or not the Baseball of Hall of Fame should allow alleged (and admitted) steroid users Alex Rodriguez and 'Big Papi' David Ortiz into Cooperstown, explain why Michael Irvin is justified for taking Amari Cooper to task for not being vaccinated, and tell us why the Jacksonville Jaguars coaching staff would be making a colossal mistake if they were to install a collegiate offense to appease Trevor Lawrence.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. But right now,
Rob and you are, as you've told us, one of
your most beloved possessions is your Hall of Fame vote.
And today we found that that Alex Rodriguez and David
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Ortiz are on the new Hall of Fame ballots. So
let's just put it out there, you voting for him.
We know they've both been dogged by steroid. I mean
I A Rid admitted it, right, Big Poppies and Big popped, right,
basically saying that, uh right, that him and many were
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the mirrors testing positive. Remember when they had that Mitchell Report,
their names were leaked out right right. His name was
on the Mitchell Report, right right, But he never admitted
it publicly, did he? No? Right, This is this is
the this is the tough part. I'm trying. I'm gonna
stay consistent, Chris, And my consistent pitch is if you
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didn't get suspended or busted by Baseball, I do vote
for you. Playing is simple even if you think they
did not, that's not my that's not I'm just asking yeah, yeah, no,
and I'm answering your court. Do you see what I'm saying, like, like,
you can't be mad if you say, how could you
not vote for Many? Were mirrors? Wow? Many got busted twice, Chris,
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after base put the new rule in about you know,
remember and stuff that weren't on the original band substance list,
right that was that was the list before they put
it in, and it wasn't on it. But after they
put it on the list, Manny got busted. Not once, Chris,
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but twice, okay, and suspended. You see what you see
what I'm saying? Like, I get that. Okay? So do
you think Barry but you vote for Barry Bonds. I
voted for Barry Bonds. I voted for Mark McGuire when
he was on the on the ballot. He's no longer
Wire got caught doing pe. He never got he never
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got suspended. He never got but he did get caught.
He was he admitted it like that. And Androw I
don't know how to pronounce the day Andrew right was
it was a report that it was in his locker room,
but he never was locked, right, but he did he
admit it. He didn't know. I mean, I don't. He
never got suspended. That's why he got my vote. But
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he didn't get I mean, it's but I get you.
He didn't get. No, he didn't didn't remember he pleaded
the fifth when they had the Senate hearings, right, but
it was It's okay, it was it was reports that
he did it. Right. No, I think I get what
your your basic Your basic rule is if you got
if you tested positive and got suspended, you don't vote
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for him. Yes, but there are guys that you and
most people believe did PDS but didn't get caught, that
you vote for. Yeah, I mean, I'm giving you the
three guys McGuire what McGuire bonds, uh Clemens. I vote
for Sosa and I vote for Gary Sheffield. Those are
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the guys I vote for who I who. I haven't
voted for Manny Ramirez, Rathael Palmerou and then think about this, Chris.
Here's the other thing. Pudge's name was out there with
the big right Conseco book. Pudge got in on the
first ballot, despite Conseco saying he used to stick Pudge
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with the needs right, and he still got in. You know,
even if you're a casual baseball fan going back ten
or fifteen years or twenty years, Mike Piazz's name, Chris
has always been laid correct. Ye, Mike Piazz is in
the Hall of Fame. Jeff Bagwell from the Astros, his
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name was always out there. Jeff Bagwell got in. But again,
all three of those guys never got busted by baseball.
You see what I'm saying, never get it tested positive
under the test that baseball was running. So neither did
Gary Sheffield neither did so so So so my point
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is I will continue to vote for those guys. I
believe Bonds and Clemens will get in. Chris, this is
their last shot, and I believe they're about They're in
the sixty percent, sixty two, sixty one, sixty two. It's
not yeah, you need seventy five, but it's not uncommon.
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Up We've seen other players do it get the Big
Jump Chris their last year, because this is it as
far as being in by the writers. And I think
if writers were really against Bonds and Clements like they
were against McGuire and Sosa, those guys never came close
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to it. Do you see what I'm saying, Like there's
no support for those guys, no support for Gary Sheffield.
They never had. That's just because Clemens and Bonds were
better players. I think also that they also realize that
when you tell that story of the greatest in baseball,
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Bonds and Clements belong. Bonds and Clements were both star
players before this era started. Well here's the thing, right,
and that's where and I I think you made a
lot of sense. I get it. We don't know try
to negause it ain't easy. So you can only just say, look,
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if you got caught then that's it. Otherwise I have
I don't know, right you you you can't base everything
on reports or isn't right? I get that now. I
agree with you that I believe Barry Bonds and Roger
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Clemens were great players before we think they use pds
right because they were. I mean, Bonds came into you know,
he was great as a younger player, and so it
was Clements and you can actually point to a time
based on circumstantial evidence where you think, okay, this is
when Bonds started using right, this is when Clement started
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using right. But we don't know rob. I mean what
we're basing a lot of that on size, on production,
you know. I mean, it's possible that Gary Sheffield and
I don't know that he was. I'm not saying he
was doing it doing PDS. He's been accused of doing it.
But he was never a big you know what I mean.
He was never like had this huge grosspurt. No, he
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was working out with bombs. That's where remember he was
working out with bombs. But I'm just saying, like you,
there are guys that don't aren't huge or don't grow
incredibly that we're doing PDS, you know what I'm saying.
That's my point. So we can't we look at, uh,
particularly Bonds, and say, look at him. He was so
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small when he was a younger player, right, But he
could have technically been doing I don't think he was,
but he could have been. So I'm just saying that
kind of falls into the area of well, we don't
know either here's where I stand around and and I
I mean you you never want to reward cheaters. I
get all that, But the era was so tainted, right,
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And let's be honest, and I'm not trying to cast
the spursions on any of the legends from yesteryear, but
there have been stories. Is tome House the old picture, right?
You know he's come out of story pace? Yes, no,
it doesn't. He says, all all of them would take
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what they called greenies. You know this better than me
in the locker room and pop them like you know,
like like uh candy, yeah, Eminem's and those are amphetamines
that are banned today, and they were commonplace, common place.
And then he even talked about beyond that, he's guys
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were trying steroids. Guys were doing all types of stuff
in the sixties and seventies. And I believe it because
when I played high school sports in the early eighties,
people would do there were guy yeah doing steroids. So god,
steroids were And I give you one, Chris, you can
look at and and there's no proof or anything, but
there's one guy and and and look him up real quick.
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But Davy Johnson, whose record just got broken for the
most home runs by a second baseman. If you look
at Davy Johnson, they say that that Atlanta managing with
Tom Tom House. Right when he was a player, he
had the all time record. Marcus Simeon broke it this
year he hit forty five. But for a long time, right, Uh,
Davy Johnson held a record with forty three home runs
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for a second baseman, which is a lot, right, And
that came out from nowhere. Look at look at look
at looking at he got to Atlanta. If you got it,
can you call up his stats? Look at what he
how many home runs he had the year before? And
then you no other year of his career did he
hit more than eighteen? And the year before he hit
forty three he hit five? Yeah, he had five. He
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went from five to forty three? No that yeah? Is
that is that a rumor that's talk out there that
he was in because that was that team with House
or whatever. House. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see
what you're saying. Yep, there you go, there you go. Yeah.
So I here's what I feel like, Rob. I feel
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like you just need to put the guys in that
deserve it based on their production. It's hard it's one
of the great players, and the same thing with or
you can't tell the story of baseball without Barry Bonds, Nope,
or without Roger Clemens, or even without David Ortiz, just
because of what he did in Boston. Dude, they hadn't
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won a World Series in a hundred years and he
won what three of them? Yep, you got like And
so what I think, rob is you put them in
and if they got busted or if if they're strong enough,
and obviously there is with Bonds, and then you know,
because Bonds Balco investigation, he's like, he's like, what happened
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to John Gruten Chris? They were investigating Boaltco and stumbled
on to Barry Bonds's name. Yep, they weren't investigating Bonds, right,
So I think you put them in and on their
plaque in the actual Hall of Fame, and you're you know,
you're talking about him, but you also you have an asterix,
a literal asterix, and you explain, you know, in whatever
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words you want to use. You know, there was controversy
about this player that he used peeds. He played in
the era where steroid use was widespread. You know, how
do you want the way we call up the you know,
the damn ball era and head ball era, the High
Mound era when Sandy Kofax and those guys, Bob Gibson
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they dominated, the brown was hot, right, Yeah, I think
that's what you gotta do it, because, like you said,
you and I and I applaud you for trying to
navigate these waters, you know, black and white, right right right,
you're saying, no that like legends, right, okay, um, but
you're going through, like look at the circles you got
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to go through. You know what I'm saying. It's just
it's just too crazy. And you know, so that's how
I would do it. That's how I would Yeah, No,
I got it. I mean I think you can put
them on. You can't talk about it. It's just like
major League Baseball, right, we don't and I'm and I'm
not saying it's the same. I'm just we don't discount
Babe Ruth. He played in the segregation era, Chris against
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no black best competition, that was right. Some of the
best players are Hispanic and black, right, he never played
against any We don't diminish what Babe Ruth did. We
we identify it, right, that's what it was. And now
there obviously, you know, putting Negro League players in the
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Hall and even putting their statistics on yeah and like yeah,
like officially acknowledging their stats and stuff. So yeah, I
think that's how you deal with it, and you hope
that it doesn't kind of open the floodgates. And I
don't know what guys are doing today. I don't know
if you have a feel for how much guys. I mean,
there's always people trying to test the system, you know
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that always for an advantage, but you know there's penalties
that come with it. We haven't seen that many, right,
So you like it doesn't encourage guys again, you know
what I mean to be like, oh, you're getting in
the Hall of Fame because Rob, I've always said this.
Obviously there's a temptation to use pds so you can
be a better player, right, So you can become a star,
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and you could stay on the field longer and play
you know, like that's a big part of it, right,
But also Rob, I mean, and let's keep it real,
and I don't I'm not condoning it in any way,
and I you know, I want to say I would
never do it, you know, but you're talking about money.
It's not jess oh, I want to be an All Star.
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It could be the difference between you getting a twenty
million dollar contract and a two hundred million dollar contract.
That's Ryan Braun righte, who just right fired this year, right.
I mean, that's that is to me, that's the temptation
for gods, because they could be like, even if I
get caught, I still got two hundred million dollars come
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to the NFL. And we saw in that big game
on Sunday between the Chiefs and the Cowboys that Amari
Cooper was out and he was out for COVID because
he's not vaccinated. And Rob g he'll be out this
Sunday as well. Correct, he'll be out. I'm sorry Thursday. Yeah,
they play on Thanksgiving. He'll be out on Thursday. Yeah
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for thanks you for the Thanksgiving Day game. I believe
they played the Saints. And so I'm sorry Raiders, Raiders,
I'm all mixed up right now. But he's missing the
next the next game for the Cowboys, just like he
missed the last one, which was obviously a big game.
And Michael Irvin, Hall of Famer, cow Boy legend, one
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of the best receivers ever, went off on Amari Cooper.
Now we know Irvin is about getting a vaccination for
football reasons, right, like he said in the preseason, Look,
it's all about winning a championship, So get vaccinated or
you'll be there for your team. And he pretty much
reiterated that point in talking about Cooper and his absences
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with the Cowboys here. He is absolutely hot about it.
Are you joking? I got a guy named Setcha Wilson
catching passes who makes two million, and a guy didn't
know a Brown catch pets who makes one million, And
I got a guy that makes twenty one million on
the bitch at home not playing. It's crazy. Our job
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as athletes is to try to remove any reason of
not winning super Bowl. That's why I conditioned so that
the fatigue ain't the reason that I lose a super Bowl.
Then that's why I go over plays a million times,
so a mistake is not the reason I lose a
super Bowl. So you have to try to mitigate any
issue that could cause your game or a super Bowl,
and COVID is one of them. You go get vaccinated
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to try to mitigate it best you can. Now you
can still get it even outfter you get vaccinated, but
it's a different percentage a chance when you're getting it,
and I need you to get that different percentage chance.
All right, He ain't wrong, Rob, I mean the bottom
line is your team is at a competitive disadvantage if
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you don't get vaccinated. Now I'm vaccinated, I just win.
Got my booster last weekend I think it lastek or two. Yeah,
so we're with getting the vaccination. I guys can make
their personal choice. Kyrie Irving, Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, they
can do what they want, but there are consequences, and
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one of the consequences is that you're putting your team
in jeopardy. You know, Kyrie Irving's put the Brooklyn Nets
are as good as they should be because there without
one of their best players in Kyrie Irving. And I
would say this to Irving. He's right, and obviously he
bleeds Cowboy blue and white and silver. But Aaron Rodgers
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and Lamar Jackson are even more valuable to their teams
than Amari Cooper is to the Cowboys. And he's valuable.
And so what he's saying the Cooper goes twofold threefold
for Rogers and jack Can you imagine if something happens
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during the playoffs. No, that's a that's a great point
and goodness, and you might look back on the Packers
season and what might cost them the number one seed
in the NFC might have been that game they lost
at right Kansas City. I mean in that time, you
know what I mean, Chris like not normally playing Kansas City,
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but where they were at that time, right, and that
defense gave up third team points to Kansas City, and
if they were to sport more than seven with Bryan Rogers.
So I'm saying like that game could come back to
bite you. I think, Michael Irvin, I'm with you. People
have a right to make their own decision, but there
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are consequences and there's also Chris. I think what Michael
Irvin is saying is right and fair from this standpoint.
If you work at a store or business or something,
probably not going to change the bottom line for the
company if you're not there, right, But when you talk
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about and you're probably working from home, let's keep it real. Yeah,
let's just keep you right now. If you from home,
but on a in a team sport where where every
single player is very valuable, right, and it's a it's
a team. It has to work together, right, you need
all your parts to be able to do it. I
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think there's a different obligation, and I do think that
it does hurt. And now here you go where a
Mari's gonna miss another game? Right, Cowboys? Cowboys lose this game,
you might go back and think this season flipped Chris
during this stretch. I'm not saying it's all on him.
Dak didn't play well. He could have been in there,
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and Dak still could have had a bad day at
the office, right, I'm not saying, but he does and
quickly robbed Amari Cooper does open things up for the
other receivers. That's what being a number one or if
you think Ceede Lamb's the number one, being a number
one or number two guy does. It's just that simple.
When you miss a player like that, it has ramification.
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People might say, oh, he's just a wide receiver, even
though he's good this and no, it had ramifications and
Rob they only lost by ten. The defense played well,
So I'm not saying they would have won with Amar. No, No,
we're not saying that because because we also saw Aaron
Rodgers go to Arizona right without his three top wide
receivers Chris, right, remember who had it? Didn't didn't they
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have a COVID DeVante was out. Yeah there was COVID there, right,
and they were able to win, but it ain't the
way you want to do it. And now this will
be a second game, and Amari is a big part
and I'm sure when Michael Irvin's mentioning that he makes
twenty one million dollars, I don't know what the most.
What do you think the most Michael Irvin made in
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nineteen ninety five or six, Chris, I don't couple million.
I don't even know that's I don't read right, I
don't remember what, Rob, just looking up what is the
most money that Michael Irvin made in the season, And
I don't That's a nice little tangent, Rob that people
think of these great older players. Oh God, they think
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they didn't. They made a lot of money at that time,
for that time, for that time, but they didn't have
generational work, right, Right, This money you make today, particularly
in football and base or basketball and baseball, it's generational money, right,
Like you will not your Fernando Tattis, Chris, and they
gave you three hundred million at twenty three years old. Right,
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you're set. You're set. And doctor Jay and you know
Kareem Magic Johnson once told me he's like, man, I
didn't even make hardly anything playing basketball. He's almost a billionaire,
but he's like, I didn't make anything playing When he
signed it was twenty five years for twenty five, which
at the time I was like, oh my gosh, Lakers
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knew they were getting to steal right. Obviously they reworked
his contract with him later, but um, but yeah, that's
just a little tangent that the difference today and back
in the day. Well, Rob, you wanted to know the answer.
Michael Irvin the biggest contract he ever signed an NFL
player nineteen ninety five, five years, twelve point three million dollars. Wow,
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so hi most not even three million a year? Nope,
and greed, that's good money if he made right around
his career, right, team, nobody's crying for Michael ran eighteen
million dollars. I asked the average joe if they'd want
to make eighteen millions that for the rest, right, if
you invest smartly, you could that could carry you, you know,
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for the rest of your life. But because really, Chris,
eighteen is probably nine million when you take rights and taxes, right,
So that's like nine million yep, Yeah, I mean you've
got a long way to go. That's why he's working
all young. Well, no, that's a lot of guys especially
and a lot of the former players robe that work
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in the media. A lot of them work superstars, No,
and they do need a job. Yeah, you're thirty five
roughly right when you retire, and if you didn't make
huge money and a lot of let's just be real,
a lot of times you're young, right, you're in your
twenties when you're making a lot of money, so you're spending.
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You might not spend at all, but you know you're
hanging out having fund spending your money. What is that?
What is that? The stat seventy percent of NFL players
are broke after five year. It's hard for me to
believe that, but maybe you think about it, if if,
if you're including like again, most of the guys didn't
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get the huge pagers like that, and if they're trying
to hang out with the quarterback or the star receiver
who's got this huge contract. Because we remember Gilbert Arenas
and Javars Crittenton when they've gotten a big you know
brew haha on the airplane and the gun was later
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pulled out in the locker room. Crittenton was making like
a million something a year and Gilbert had this max contract.
Crittenson should not be gambling with Gilbert Arenas. No, you
know what I'm saying no, No, you're right trying to
live up to Yo. I got money too. I'm a
big baller and you know so nah hyers and the
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perfect example you just said it. That's why they're different
tables for high rollers in Vegas. They're not playing with
the nickel any guys, Right, Can you imagine somebody messing
up your head by taking a hit they're supposed to right,
you got you got five hundred thousand on the table,
you would go, oh god, yeah, you'd be having some
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fights up in there, some Isaiah Stewart action up in there.
But nah, but look, Mike Irvin, I he's right. Like
you said, it's definitely a competitive disadvantage if you get
a guy that gets nailed with COVID and rob I mean,
Aaron Rodgers didn't think he was ever gonna get COVID. No,
he didn't. He was immunize. I'm not even trying to
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make fun of him. But you know, if it happens
at the wrong time in the can you imagine that
somebody gets it during the playoffs and there's a real possibility, Chris,
I mean, if I'm Baltimore, I'm scared to death because
because Lamar's gotten it twice, hasn't He's gotten COVID twice.
I think he has had it twice, and he gets
sick a lot. I don't know what a lot I
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agree that is. I don't know if it's dieted and
what it should be. But you know he gets no,
he does seem to get sick a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but but that that would be man, I hate to
see that. I don't care who the team was. I
don't care if you know I was pulling against them
or picked against them, whatever. I'd hate to see that, Rob.
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And again, guys are free to do what they want.
And I'm I do agree with this, Rod, because you
see players, players aren't. From everything I've seen, most players
are not down on their teammates that aren't vaccinated right there,
not going off on them. Um, And I'm I'm cool
with that. I get that, but um, but it's consequences
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for your team and it could be consequences for other players.
Because you know how this works, Rob, You win a
Super Bowl, go deep in the playoffs. That helps the
starter that nobody talks about. You know what I mean?
You're he was a starting guard on a Super Bowl
champion or an AFC champion, So it hurts other guys
in the wallet. So there's a lot of things to
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consider when you're talking about other players not being vaccine
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We've asked a few people about it, but here's what's
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going on down in Jacksonville. According to a report by
CBS Sports NFL insider Jason lockingfora there's dissension among the
Jaguars coaching staff about the best way to develop Trevor Lawrence.
All right, Lawrence is having major trouble against the zone defenses,
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reading the defenses. He's twenty ninth in the league robbed
against the zone. Wow, and he's got two touchdowns five interceptions. Yeah,
it's been ugly when he's faced the zone. And most
of the time why wouldn't he right, they're doing it.
Seventy percent of the time he dropped back. I mean,
it stays stay exactly what you're doing. And he struggled
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madly against the blitz, And I thought Randy Mueller made
some great points Rob about he didn't face any of
that in Clemson. That's challenge that some of these guys
from the power programs, particularly quarter because the players are
just so much better they can just do. Hey, go deep,
Chris just running, just want to gold patterns? Run by
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this dude right right? All right? He can't keep up
with you, absolutely, so he's struggling. And now they're talking
about should we just go back to what he's did
in college? All right? And and I'm I'm with Randy
Mueller on this, robe No, because he ran the ball.
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You know, he wasn't Lamar Jackson or anything like that.
Jalen Hurts, nothing like that. But he did run a
decent amount. He was a pastor who could run. And
he's a bigger target than Lamar Jackson. He's not as fast,
he's not as elusive, he doesn't have the moves, and
I think you put him in the RPO and all that,
he's gonna be getting hit, and I just I don't
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think that's the way to go. I think this guy
is a true pocket passer who can run. And Rob,
I think it's as simple as this. Be patient. That's it.
Just take yourselves, dude, you're not doing anything. What what
where are they off to? They need to get this
guy going, Chris and keep him out there and let
him struggle. But don't go backwards. You gotta go for
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you gonna play pro set right you're doing. It doesn't
make to go backwards. It just shows Rob that the
lack of patients today and maybe the media you know
on slought, social media, talk shows all day everyday, radio, TV,
debate show, like, maybe that has a lot to do
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with the lack of patients now. But if you run
an NFL team, you've got to insist to your group. Look,
we're not going to respond to every odd couple soliloquy.
We're not gonna respond every Colin Cowherd spiel or take that.
You know, like, we're not skip Bayless Shannon's like, We're
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going to develop at our own pace, and if we
lose a few games and we take a few hits,
we're not going to panic and casing point Rob Josh Allen.
Josh Allen's first year fifty less than fifty three percent
of his past is completed, twain touchdowns, twelve interceptions. Right
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it's third year, he's an MVP candidate his second year
only completed fifty eight percent of his band. And here's
the other thing we talked about in our pre show meeting.
We won't ever see we don't think so, right, Chris,
we'll see an Aaron Rodgers sit for three years like
a like a player drafted in the first round. Who's
gonna sit now? Obviously they had uh Bright far so
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you had a great quarterback right at all time great
in front of him. But I don't think guys getting
now Jordan loves not playing Chris. But again, you got
a great We don't think he's that good. We don't
think he's gonna be right, because we do. This is
just my gun. Even as good as Aaron Rodgers is,
and he's an all time great when he made this
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think and didn't want to be there. And if you
were the Packers and you really believe that, you know,
Lafleur is this genius, and they drafted there, you didn't
wait through waste a draft pick, right, you drafted him
to eventually play him. Chris right, absolutely, so if you
drafted him and you believe that he was worth the
first round pick, and remember they moved up, they even
traded a pick to move up. Ye. So if you
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did all that, you had to say to yourself, this
guy something special. And there was the moment, Chris the flinch, right,
there was the moment we could get a haul for
Aaron Rodgers on draft day. What you're absolutely right. And
we haven't been in the super Bowl in a decade. Yep.
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We had a great run. Hey, he won a super
Bowl whatever, yep, but we're gonna try out all over here. Yep, yep. Nah,
I agree with you, And yeah, it's what it is robbing.
You know this nowadays, the thought process is when you
get that quarterback, that rookie quarterback on a rookie contract,
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right and he's not making big money by NFL standards,
certainly not by quarterback standards. That's when you've really got
a shot, right, bill around him, you know, get your
pieces around him and win. You're super Bowl. Russell Wilson,
Patrick Mahomes. But guess what those two are Hall of famers,
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future Hall of famers. It's not gonna be that with
every quarterback. Every quarterback, they came in pretty I mean,
Mahomes obviously sat his first year, but he obviously was
ready his second year, and that was already a good
team Seattle. You know, Wilson came in ready. But Wilson
was older and more mature, robbed than a lot of
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these younger players that are coming in the league. You know.
So it's uh, that's it's a copycat league, as they
all are. And that's the model that these teams are
trying to follow. So they want to you know that
they have got to have challenge. You're gonna have the
challenge in the quarterback spots. It's not gonna happen with
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every every college superstar who you draft high because you
can talk as ready, right, we talked about it, Chris,
all those five quarterbacks from this bast draft, they're not
all going to be stars. That's not gonna happen, right right, right,
they are not. And that's five first round drafting, right,
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five in the top fifteen. Go look, go look in
the NFL and the years gone by, all these guys
who were drafted quarterbacks, they didn't all make it. Absolutely, Jamarku,
JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Achilles Smith. Right, we could go
on and on and on, dude, they didn't make it.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
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Rob and you are, as you've told us, one of
your most beloved possessions is your Hall of Fame vote.
And today we found that that Alex Rodriguez and David
(00:44):
Ortiz are on the new Hall of Fame ballots. So
let's just put it out there, you voting for him.
We know they've both been dogged by steroid. I mean
I A Rid admitted it, right, Big Poppies and Big popped, right,
basically saying that, uh right, that him and many were
(01:08):
the mirrors testing positive. Remember when they had that Mitchell Report,
their names were leaked out right right. His name was
on the Mitchell Report, right right, But he never admitted
it publicly, did he? No? Right, This is this is
the this is the tough part. I'm trying. I'm gonna
stay consistent, Chris, And my consistent pitch is if you
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didn't get suspended or busted by Baseball, I do vote
for you. Playing is simple even if you think they
did not, that's not my that's not I'm just asking yeah, yeah, no,
and I'm answering your court. Do you see what I'm saying, like, like,
you can't be mad if you say, how could you
not vote for Many? Were mirrors? Wow? Many got busted twice, Chris,
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after base put the new rule in about you know,
remember and stuff that weren't on the original band substance list,
right that was that was the list before they put
it in, and it wasn't on it. But after they
put it on the list, Manny got busted. Not once, Chris,
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but twice, okay, and suspended. You see what you see
what I'm saying? Like, I get that. Okay? So do
you think Barry but you vote for Barry Bonds. I
voted for Barry Bonds. I voted for Mark McGuire when
he was on the on the ballot. He's no longer
Wire got caught doing pe. He never got he never
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got suspended. He never got but he did get caught.
He was he admitted it like that. And Androw I
don't know how to pronounce the day Andrew right was
it was a report that it was in his locker room,
but he never was locked, right, but he did he
admit it. He didn't know. I mean, I don't. He
never got suspended. That's why he got my vote. But
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he didn't get I mean, it's but I get you.
He didn't get. No, he didn't didn't remember he pleaded
the fifth when they had the Senate hearings, right, but
it was It's okay, it was it was reports that
he did it. Right. No, I think I get what
your your basic Your basic rule is if you got
if you tested positive and got suspended, you don't vote
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for him. Yes, but there are guys that you and
most people believe did PDS but didn't get caught, that
you vote for. Yeah, I mean, I'm giving you the
three guys McGuire what McGuire bonds, uh Clemens. I vote
for Sosa and I vote for Gary Sheffield. Those are
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the guys I vote for who I who. I haven't
voted for Manny Ramirez, Rathael Palmerou and then think about this, Chris.
Here's the other thing. Pudge's name was out there with
the big right Conseco book. Pudge got in on the
first ballot, despite Conseco saying he used to stick Pudge
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with the needs right, and he still got in. You know,
even if you're a casual baseball fan going back ten
or fifteen years or twenty years, Mike Piazz's name, Chris
has always been laid correct. Ye, Mike Piazz is in
the Hall of Fame. Jeff Bagwell from the Astros, his
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name was always out there. Jeff Bagwell got in. But again,
all three of those guys never got busted by baseball.
You see what I'm saying, never get it tested positive
under the test that baseball was running. So neither did
Gary Sheffield neither did so so So so my point
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is I will continue to vote for those guys. I
believe Bonds and Clemens will get in. Chris, this is
their last shot, and I believe they're about They're in
the sixty percent, sixty two, sixty one, sixty two. It's
not yeah, you need seventy five, but it's not uncommon.
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Up We've seen other players do it get the Big
Jump Chris their last year, because this is it as
far as being in by the writers. And I think
if writers were really against Bonds and Clements like they
were against McGuire and Sosa, those guys never came close
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to it. Do you see what I'm saying, Like there's
no support for those guys, no support for Gary Sheffield.
They never had. That's just because Clemens and Bonds were
better players. I think also that they also realize that
when you tell that story of the greatest in baseball,
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Bonds and Clements belong. Bonds and Clements were both star
players before this era started. Well here's the thing, right,
and that's where and I I think you made a
lot of sense. I get it. We don't know try
to negause it ain't easy. So you can only just say, look,
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if you got caught then that's it. Otherwise I have
I don't know, right you you you can't base everything
on reports or isn't right? I get that now. I
agree with you that I believe Barry Bonds and Roger
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Clemens were great players before we think they use pds
right because they were. I mean, Bonds came into you know,
he was great as a younger player, and so it
was Clements and you can actually point to a time
based on circumstantial evidence where you think, okay, this is
when Bonds started using right, this is when Clement started
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using right. But we don't know rob. I mean what
we're basing a lot of that on size, on production,
you know. I mean, it's possible that Gary Sheffield and
I don't know that he was. I'm not saying he
was doing it doing PDS. He's been accused of doing it.
But he was never a big you know what I mean.
He was never like had this huge grosspurt. No, he
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was working out with bombs. That's where remember he was
working out with bombs. But I'm just saying, like you,
there are guys that don't aren't huge or don't grow
incredibly that we're doing PDS, you know what I'm saying.
That's my point. So we can't we look at, uh,
particularly Bonds, and say, look at him. He was so
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small when he was a younger player, right, But he
could have technically been doing I don't think he was,
but he could have been. So I'm just saying that
kind of falls into the area of well, we don't
know either here's where I stand around and and I
I mean you you never want to reward cheaters. I
get all that, But the era was so tainted, right,
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And let's be honest, and I'm not trying to cast
the spursions on any of the legends from yesteryear, but
there have been stories. Is tome House the old picture, right?
You know he's come out of story pace? Yes, no,
it doesn't. He says, all all of them would take
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what they called greenies. You know this better than me
in the locker room and pop them like you know,
like like uh candy, yeah, Eminem's and those are amphetamines
that are banned today, and they were commonplace, common place.
And then he even talked about beyond that, he's guys
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were trying steroids. Guys were doing all types of stuff
in the sixties and seventies. And I believe it because
when I played high school sports in the early eighties,
people would do there were guy yeah doing steroids. So god,
steroids were And I give you one, Chris, you can
look at and and there's no proof or anything, but
there's one guy and and and look him up real quick.
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But Davy Johnson, whose record just got broken for the
most home runs by a second baseman. If you look
at Davy Johnson, they say that that Atlanta managing with
Tom Tom House. Right when he was a player, he
had the all time record. Marcus Simeon broke it this
year he hit forty five. But for a long time, right, Uh,
Davy Johnson held a record with forty three home runs
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for a second baseman, which is a lot, right, And
that came out from nowhere. Look at look at look
at looking at he got to Atlanta. If you got it,
can you call up his stats? Look at what he
how many home runs he had the year before? And
then you no other year of his career did he
hit more than eighteen? And the year before he hit
forty three he hit five? Yeah, he had five. He
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went from five to forty three? No that yeah? Is
that is that a rumor that's talk out there that
he was in because that was that team with House
or whatever. House. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see
what you're saying. Yep, there you go, there you go. Yeah.
So I here's what I feel like, Rob. I feel
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like you just need to put the guys in that
deserve it based on their production. It's hard it's one
of the great players, and the same thing with or
you can't tell the story of baseball without Barry Bonds, Nope,
or without Roger Clemens, or even without David Ortiz, just
because of what he did in Boston. Dude, they hadn't
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won a World Series in a hundred years and he
won what three of them? Yep, you got like And
so what I think, rob is you put them in
and if they got busted or if if they're strong enough,
and obviously there is with Bonds, and then you know,
because Bonds Balco investigation, he's like, he's like, what happened
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to John Gruten Chris? They were investigating Boaltco and stumbled
on to Barry Bonds's name. Yep, they weren't investigating Bonds, right,
So I think you put them in and on their
plaque in the actual Hall of Fame, and you're you know,
you're talking about him, but you also you have an asterix,
a literal asterix, and you explain, you know, in whatever
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words you want to use. You know, there was controversy
about this player that he used peeds. He played in
the era where steroid use was widespread. You know, how
do you want the way we call up the you know,
the damn ball era and head ball era, the High
Mound era when Sandy Kofax and those guys, Bob Gibson
(11:57):
they dominated, the brown was hot, right, Yeah, I think
that's what you gotta do it, because, like you said,
you and I and I applaud you for trying to
navigate these waters, you know, black and white, right right right,
you're saying, no that like legends, right, okay, um, but
you're going through, like look at the circles you got
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to go through. You know what I'm saying. It's just
it's just too crazy. And you know, so that's how
I would do it. That's how I would Yeah, No,
I got it. I mean I think you can put
them on. You can't talk about it. It's just like
major League Baseball, right, we don't and I'm and I'm
not saying it's the same. I'm just we don't discount
Babe Ruth. He played in the segregation era, Chris against
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no black best competition, that was right. Some of the
best players are Hispanic and black, right, he never played
against any We don't diminish what Babe Ruth did. We
we identify it, right, that's what it was. And now
there obviously, you know, putting Negro League players in the
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Hall and even putting their statistics on yeah and like yeah,
like officially acknowledging their stats and stuff. So yeah, I
think that's how you deal with it, and you hope
that it doesn't kind of open the floodgates. And I
don't know what guys are doing today. I don't know
if you have a feel for how much guys. I mean,
there's always people trying to test the system, you know
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that always for an advantage, but you know there's penalties
that come with it. We haven't seen that many, right,
So you like it doesn't encourage guys again, you know
what I mean to be like, oh, you're getting in
the Hall of Fame because Rob, I've always said this.
Obviously there's a temptation to use pds so you can
be a better player, right, So you can become a star,
(13:48):
and you could stay on the field longer and play
you know, like that's a big part of it, right,
But also Rob, I mean, and let's keep it real,
and I don't I'm not condoning it in any way,
and I you know, I want to say I would
never do it, you know, but you're talking about money.
It's not jess oh, I want to be an All Star.
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It could be the difference between you getting a twenty
million dollar contract and a two hundred million dollar contract.
That's Ryan Braun righte, who just right fired this year, right.
I mean, that's that is to me, that's the temptation
for gods, because they could be like, even if I
get caught, I still got two hundred million dollars come
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to the NFL. And we saw in that big game
on Sunday between the Chiefs and the Cowboys that Amari
Cooper was out and he was out for COVID because
he's not vaccinated. And Rob g he'll be out this
Sunday as well. Correct, he'll be out. I'm sorry Thursday. Yeah,
they play on Thanksgiving. He'll be out on Thursday. Yeah
(15:40):
for thanks you for the Thanksgiving Day game. I believe
they played the Saints. And so I'm sorry Raiders, Raiders,
I'm all mixed up right now. But he's missing the
next the next game for the Cowboys, just like he
missed the last one, which was obviously a big game.
And Michael Irvin, Hall of Famer, cow Boy legend, one
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of the best receivers ever, went off on Amari Cooper.
Now we know Irvin is about getting a vaccination for
football reasons, right, like he said in the preseason, Look,
it's all about winning a championship, So get vaccinated or
you'll be there for your team. And he pretty much
reiterated that point in talking about Cooper and his absences
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with the Cowboys here. He is absolutely hot about it.
Are you joking? I got a guy named Setcha Wilson
catching passes who makes two million, and a guy didn't
know a Brown catch pets who makes one million, And
I got a guy that makes twenty one million on
the bitch at home not playing. It's crazy. Our job
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as athletes is to try to remove any reason of
not winning super Bowl. That's why I conditioned so that
the fatigue ain't the reason that I lose a super Bowl.
Then that's why I go over plays a million times,
so a mistake is not the reason I lose a
super Bowl. So you have to try to mitigate any
issue that could cause your game or a super Bowl,
and COVID is one of them. You go get vaccinated
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to try to mitigate it best you can. Now you
can still get it even outfter you get vaccinated, but
it's a different percentage a chance when you're getting it,
and I need you to get that different percentage chance.
All right, He ain't wrong, Rob, I mean the bottom
line is your team is at a competitive disadvantage if
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you don't get vaccinated. Now I'm vaccinated, I just win.
Got my booster last weekend I think it lastek or two. Yeah,
so we're with getting the vaccination. I guys can make
their personal choice. Kyrie Irving, Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, they
can do what they want, but there are consequences, and
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one of the consequences is that you're putting your team
in jeopardy. You know, Kyrie Irving's put the Brooklyn Nets
are as good as they should be because there without
one of their best players in Kyrie Irving. And I
would say this to Irving. He's right, and obviously he
bleeds Cowboy blue and white and silver. But Aaron Rodgers
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and Lamar Jackson are even more valuable to their teams
than Amari Cooper is to the Cowboys. And he's valuable.
And so what he's saying the Cooper goes twofold threefold
for Rogers and jack Can you imagine if something happens
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during the playoffs. No, that's a that's a great point
and goodness, and you might look back on the Packers
season and what might cost them the number one seed
in the NFC might have been that game they lost
at right Kansas City. I mean in that time, you
know what I mean, Chris like not normally playing Kansas City,
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but where they were at that time, right, and that
defense gave up third team points to Kansas City, and
if they were to sport more than seven with Bryan Rogers.
So I'm saying like that game could come back to
bite you. I think, Michael Irvin, I'm with you. People
have a right to make their own decision, but there
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are consequences and there's also Chris. I think what Michael
Irvin is saying is right and fair from this standpoint.
If you work at a store or business or something,
probably not going to change the bottom line for the
company if you're not there, right, But when you talk
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about and you're probably working from home, let's keep it real. Yeah,
let's just keep you right now. If you from home,
but on a in a team sport where where every
single player is very valuable, right, and it's a it's
a team. It has to work together, right, you need
all your parts to be able to do it. I
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think there's a different obligation, and I do think that
it does hurt. And now here you go where a
Mari's gonna miss another game? Right, Cowboys? Cowboys lose this game,
you might go back and think this season flipped Chris
during this stretch. I'm not saying it's all on him.
Dak didn't play well. He could have been in there,
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and Dak still could have had a bad day at
the office, right, I'm not saying, but he does and
quickly robbed Amari Cooper does open things up for the
other receivers. That's what being a number one or if
you think Ceede Lamb's the number one, being a number
one or number two guy does. It's just that simple.
When you miss a player like that, it has ramification.
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People might say, oh, he's just a wide receiver, even
though he's good this and no, it had ramifications and
Rob they only lost by ten. The defense played well,
So I'm not saying they would have won with Amar. No, No,
we're not saying that because because we also saw Aaron
Rodgers go to Arizona right without his three top wide
receivers Chris, right, remember who had it? Didn't didn't they
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have a COVID DeVante was out. Yeah there was COVID there, right,
and they were able to win, but it ain't the
way you want to do it. And now this will
be a second game, and Amari is a big part
and I'm sure when Michael Irvin's mentioning that he makes
twenty one million dollars, I don't know what the most.
What do you think the most Michael Irvin made in
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nineteen ninety five or six, Chris, I don't couple million.
I don't even know that's I don't read right, I
don't remember what, Rob, just looking up what is the
most money that Michael Irvin made in the season, And
I don't That's a nice little tangent, Rob that people
think of these great older players. Oh God, they think
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they didn't. They made a lot of money at that time,
for that time, for that time, but they didn't have
generational work, right, Right, This money you make today, particularly
in football and base or basketball and baseball, it's generational money, right,
Like you will not your Fernando Tattis, Chris, and they
gave you three hundred million at twenty three years old. Right,
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you're set. You're set. And doctor Jay and you know
Kareem Magic Johnson once told me he's like, man, I
didn't even make hardly anything playing basketball. He's almost a billionaire,
but he's like, I didn't make anything playing When he
signed it was twenty five years for twenty five, which
at the time I was like, oh my gosh, Lakers
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knew they were getting to steal right. Obviously they reworked
his contract with him later, but um, but yeah, that's
just a little tangent that the difference today and back
in the day. Well, Rob, you wanted to know the answer.
Michael Irvin the biggest contract he ever signed an NFL
player nineteen ninety five, five years, twelve point three million dollars. Wow,
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so hi most not even three million a year? Nope,
and greed, that's good money if he made right around
his career, right, team, nobody's crying for Michael ran eighteen
million dollars. I asked the average joe if they'd want
to make eighteen millions that for the rest, right, if
you invest smartly, you could that could carry you, you know,
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for the rest of your life. But because really, Chris,
eighteen is probably nine million when you take rights and taxes, right,
So that's like nine million yep, Yeah, I mean you've
got a long way to go. That's why he's working
all young. Well, no, that's a lot of guys especially
and a lot of the former players robe that work
(23:44):
in the media. A lot of them work superstars, No,
and they do need a job. Yeah, you're thirty five
roughly right when you retire, and if you didn't make
huge money and a lot of let's just be real,
a lot of times you're young, right, you're in your
twenties when you're making a lot of money, so you're spending.
(24:05):
You might not spend at all, but you know you're
hanging out having fund spending your money. What is that?
What is that? The stat seventy percent of NFL players
are broke after five year. It's hard for me to
believe that, but maybe you think about it, if if,
if you're including like again, most of the guys didn't
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get the huge pagers like that, and if they're trying
to hang out with the quarterback or the star receiver
who's got this huge contract. Because we remember Gilbert Arenas
and Javars Crittenton when they've gotten a big you know
brew haha on the airplane and the gun was later
(24:45):
pulled out in the locker room. Crittenton was making like
a million something a year and Gilbert had this max contract.
Crittenson should not be gambling with Gilbert Arenas. No, you
know what I'm saying no, No, you're right trying to
live up to Yo. I got money too. I'm a
big baller and you know so nah hyers and the
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perfect example you just said it. That's why they're different
tables for high rollers in Vegas. They're not playing with
the nickel any guys, Right, Can you imagine somebody messing
up your head by taking a hit they're supposed to right,
you got you got five hundred thousand on the table,
you would go, oh god, yeah, you'd be having some
(25:28):
fights up in there, some Isaiah Stewart action up in there.
But nah, but look, Mike Irvin, I he's right. Like
you said, it's definitely a competitive disadvantage if you get
a guy that gets nailed with COVID and rob I mean,
Aaron Rodgers didn't think he was ever gonna get COVID. No,
he didn't. He was immunize. I'm not even trying to
(25:50):
make fun of him. But you know, if it happens
at the wrong time in the can you imagine that
somebody gets it during the playoffs and there's a real possibility, Chris,
I mean, if I'm Baltimore, I'm scared to death because
because Lamar's gotten it twice, hasn't He's gotten COVID twice.
I think he has had it twice, and he gets
sick a lot. I don't know what a lot I
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agree that is. I don't know if it's dieted and
what it should be. But you know he gets no,
he does seem to get sick a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but but that that would be man, I hate to
see that. I don't care who the team was. I
don't care if you know I was pulling against them
or picked against them, whatever. I'd hate to see that, Rob.
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And again, guys are free to do what they want.
And I'm I do agree with this, Rod, because you
see players, players aren't. From everything I've seen, most players
are not down on their teammates that aren't vaccinated right there,
not going off on them. Um, And I'm I'm cool
with that. I get that, but um, but it's consequences
(26:59):
for your team and it could be consequences for other players.
Because you know how this works, Rob, You win a
Super Bowl, go deep in the playoffs. That helps the
starter that nobody talks about. You know what I mean?
You're he was a starting guard on a Super Bowl
champion or an AFC champion, So it hurts other guys
in the wallet. So there's a lot of things to
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We've asked a few people about it, but here's what's
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going on down in Jacksonville. According to a report by
CBS Sports NFL insider Jason lockingfora there's dissension among the
Jaguars coaching staff about the best way to develop Trevor Lawrence.
All right, Lawrence is having major trouble against the zone defenses,
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reading the defenses. He's twenty ninth in the league robbed
against the zone. Wow, and he's got two touchdowns five interceptions. Yeah,
it's been ugly when he's faced the zone. And most
of the time why wouldn't he right, they're doing it.
Seventy percent of the time he dropped back. I mean,
it stays stay exactly what you're doing. And he struggled
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madly against the blitz, And I thought Randy Mueller made
some great points Rob about he didn't face any of
that in Clemson. That's challenge that some of these guys
from the power programs, particularly quarter because the players are
just so much better they can just do. Hey, go deep,
Chris just running, just want to gold patterns? Run by
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this dude right right? All right? He can't keep up
with you, absolutely, so he's struggling. And now they're talking
about should we just go back to what he's did
in college? All right? And and I'm I'm with Randy
Mueller on this, robe No, because he ran the ball.
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You know, he wasn't Lamar Jackson or anything like that.
Jalen Hurts, nothing like that. But he did run a
decent amount. He was a pastor who could run. And
he's a bigger target than Lamar Jackson. He's not as fast,
he's not as elusive, he doesn't have the moves, and
I think you put him in the RPO and all that,
he's gonna be getting hit, and I just I don't
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think that's the way to go. I think this guy
is a true pocket passer who can run. And Rob,
I think it's as simple as this. Be patient. That's it.
Just take yourselves, dude, you're not doing anything. What what
where are they off to? They need to get this
guy going, Chris and keep him out there and let
him struggle. But don't go backwards. You gotta go for
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you gonna play pro set right you're doing. It doesn't
make to go backwards. It just shows Rob that the
lack of patients today and maybe the media you know
on slought, social media, talk shows all day everyday, radio, TV,
debate show, like, maybe that has a lot to do
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with the lack of patients now. But if you run
an NFL team, you've got to insist to your group. Look,
we're not going to respond to every odd couple soliloquy.
We're not gonna respond every Colin Cowherd spiel or take that.
You know, like, we're not skip Bayless Shannon's like, We're
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going to develop at our own pace, and if we
lose a few games and we take a few hits,
we're not going to panic and casing point Rob Josh Allen.
Josh Allen's first year fifty less than fifty three percent
of his past is completed, twain touchdowns, twelve interceptions. Right
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it's third year, he's an MVP candidate his second year
only completed fifty eight percent of his band. And here's
the other thing we talked about in our pre show meeting.
We won't ever see we don't think so, right, Chris,
we'll see an Aaron Rodgers sit for three years like
a like a player drafted in the first round. Who's
gonna sit now? Obviously they had uh Bright far so
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you had a great quarterback right at all time great
in front of him. But I don't think guys getting
now Jordan loves not playing Chris. But again, you got
a great We don't think he's that good. We don't
think he's gonna be right, because we do. This is
just my gun. Even as good as Aaron Rodgers is,
and he's an all time great when he made this
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think and didn't want to be there. And if you
were the Packers and you really believe that, you know,
Lafleur is this genius, and they drafted there, you didn't
wait through waste a draft pick, right, you drafted him
to eventually play him. Chris right, absolutely, so if you
drafted him and you believe that he was worth the
first round pick, and remember they moved up, they even
traded a pick to move up. Ye. So if you
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did all that, you had to say to yourself, this
guy something special. And there was the moment, Chris the flinch, right,
there was the moment we could get a haul for
Aaron Rodgers on draft day. What you're absolutely right. And
we haven't been in the super Bowl in a decade. Yep.
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We had a great run. Hey, he won a super
Bowl whatever, yep, but we're gonna try out all over here. Yep, yep. Nah,
I agree with you, And yeah, it's what it is robbing.
You know this nowadays, the thought process is when you
get that quarterback, that rookie quarterback on a rookie contract,
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right and he's not making big money by NFL standards,
certainly not by quarterback standards. That's when you've really got
a shot, right, bill around him, you know, get your
pieces around him and win. You're super Bowl. Russell Wilson,
Patrick Mahomes. But guess what those two are Hall of famers,
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future Hall of famers. It's not gonna be that with
every quarterback. Every quarterback, they came in pretty I mean,
Mahomes obviously sat his first year, but he obviously was
ready his second year, and that was already a good
team Seattle. You know, Wilson came in ready. But Wilson
was older and more mature, robbed than a lot of
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these younger players that are coming in the league. You know.
So it's uh, that's it's a copycat league, as they
all are. And that's the model that these teams are
trying to follow. So they want to you know that
they have got to have challenge. You're gonna have the
challenge in the quarterback spots. It's not gonna happen with
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every every college superstar who you draft high because you
can talk as ready, right, we talked about it, Chris,
all those five quarterbacks from this bast draft, they're not
all going to be stars. That's not gonna happen, right right, right,
they are not. And that's five first round drafting, right,
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five in the top fifteen. Go look, go look in
the NFL and the years gone by, all these guys
who were drafted quarterbacks, they didn't all make it. Absolutely, Jamarku,
JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Achilles Smith. Right, we could go
on and on and on, dude, they didn't make it.
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