February 9, 2022 • 39 mins
Chris and Rob get into a heated debate about whether or not it's insulting to Joe Burrow to compare him in Year 2 to Tom Brady in Year 2, and explain why a Super Bowl victory won't do anything to enhance Aaron Donald's legacy. Plus, former NFL MVP Shaun Alexander swings by to share his thoughts on Pete Carroll's decision to throw the ball at the goal line late in Super Bowl 49, the evolution of the running back position, his Pro Football Hall of Fame candidacy, the work he's doing with Cafe Momentum, and much more!
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. Interesting stories, storylines
with these quarterbacks, you know, Matthew Stafford a number, both
of them, number one picks. Stafford could not deliver. And
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you know, as well as anybody in Detroit, had some
good years, obviously put up some big numbers, but never
was able to turn him into a consistent winner. And
that's one thing about Stafford. Like even number one picks
and some of them are just straight busts. But most
great quarterbacks, even if they don't win a Super Bowl,
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they turned their team into a perennial playoffs you know,
like most years they're making the playoffs. He didn't even
do that. No, Chris, that's my biggest argument when people
talk about him and even the numbers, it's not like
like he had to win a super Bowl to validate him.
But they were not there like like he was supposed
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to lift, like Joe Burrow just did Chris in two years, Fairness,
Burrows done something no other than no I know, but
I'm saying, and I'm not saying that man had to
take him to a super Bowl, but he changed the
culture and lifted the organization. Would you say that, Yes,
A Stafford didn't do that in twelve years in Detroit.
And I've had great player and you had Calvin Johnson,
a first ballot wide receiver Hall of Famer. Most wide
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receivers don't get in on the first ballot. It's very difficult.
And Dominican sued Nick Fairley. They had some good pieces
on the defensive and Jim who went to the Super
Bowl Chris. So, I like when people act like he
had nothing, Oh my god, you know what, he didn't
have anything. Come on, man, don't don't do everybody else
like that. I think that's that's that's fair um. On
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the other side, of course, as you mentioned Joe Burrow,
and you know, he has just taken the league by
storm right now, and we say it all the time,
Rob Man, we were first guessers on this, we guessers.
We just came out strong. When everybody was saying you
shouldn't go to go to the Bengals. Oh, it's a
terrible ruin your career. We said, no, if you're that guy,
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go there and turn them around. Most number one picks
go to bad teams. That's how they got the number one.
And Cincinnati, furthermore, has been the Super Bowls. They they're
not Again, I no excuse for Stafford, but they're not
the Detroit Lions. They are they've been to super Bowls before.
I get it. You want to say they're cheap and
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things like that, but they have put together legitimate football teams, period.
And so obviously he went there and the rest is history.
And we'll see how great that history gets on Sunday.
But Rob Joe Burrow is getting a ton of comparisons
to Tom Brady. Von Miller, who's gonna face him on Sunday.
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The ad dresser for the Rams, linebacker Um Boomers Sciason,
the former Bengals quarterback, has compared him to Tim Brady.
Rex Ryan has compared him to Tom Brady. Uh, and
here's Von Miller talking about it. You know, it's the
Joe Barrow show. Don't don't forget it. No, this this,
this guy is the real deal. Um. I don't like
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making comparisons to you know, anybody else. Joe Barrow is
his own guy. But you definitely see shades of Tom
Brady and this guy. Man. You know at the moment
it's not too big for him, all right, Rob, you
you don't like these compares, No, I don't. And if
he's just talking about like moments, then maybe that's different.
If he's talking about he's Tom Brady wasn't this good?
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Uh year or two in the NFL. Tom Brady was
a game manager who moved the ball down field so
to take a kick field goals. Tom Brady wasn't. So
you're saying it's an insult, like not fair to Burrow.
Not because I think Joe's better. I think Joe Burrows
better at this point than where Tom Brady was. Chris,
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I am I do because I don't. I don't think
that that Patriots team wasn't was about Tom Brady. It
was about the defense and about kicking, and Tom Brady
was a game manager that first Super Bowl. Tom Brady
scored exactly one touchdown in the post through one touchdown
in the entire postseason. That's it. I'm not I'm not.
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They won the Super Bowl, Chris, I'm not knocking it.
But that ain't what Joe Burrow is. I'm sorry. I
think Joe Burrow is light years ahead. I'm not saying
he's gonna beat Tom Brady. I'm not gonna say, Chris,
he's gonna win more than Tom Brady, or he's gonna
be better than Tom Brady or whatever. But I'm talking
about if you look at the first two years and
he missed what seven games last year with injury, he played, Yeah,
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he played ten. Unbelieve they were two and seven, two
seventy one, two seven and one right when he missed
those games, So he hadn't even played. He's played like
a season and a half. And where he has and
what he's been able to do here without a coach
like Bill bellichicking place, I'm just saying. I'm just saying,
like a veteran coach, veteran and I just don't I
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don't think they're the same. I really don't. Okay, Joe
Burrow individually, I would say is probably ahead of where
Brady was. He came in as the number one pick.
He led a team to a national championship. Tom Brady,
you know Michigan, right Blake, you know his last year
he did a few things, but was the one hundred
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ninety ninth pick. So I get all that, but I
will say this, Rob, because I think it. I think
you just did it, and I think a lot of
people overstate, Oh Brady was not. Then Brady was just
this like he was just Mac Jones right now, and
he wasn't. The facts are the facts. The New England
Patriots under Bill Belichick were five and eleven the year
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before Brady took over for Drew bledso and Bledsoe was
a Pro Bowl, four time Pro Bowl quarterback. They were
oh and two with Bledsoe starting when he got hurt,
and then Brady comes in. So five and thirteen they were,
and Brady steps in and they go on this tear.
They go eleven and three over the rest of the
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season and obviously go ahead to win the Super Bowl.
So I'm just saying he did turn that team around.
There's no evidence that had Drew Bledsoe just stayed at
quarterback that he would have done that as good as
he was individually, because he hadn't done it, and Bill
Belichick at that point, rob Bill Belichick had coached six
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years in the NFL, had the playoffs once, and had
been fired once, and so Bill Belichick was no. At
that point, nobody was thinking more of Bill Belichick than
they're thinking of Zach Taylor. But Chris, you know, so
you're looking at history. No that, dude, these are all
the Hey, hold on, here's the last thing. Let me
but here's the last thing. Tom Brady, just like Joe
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Burrow and Joe Burrows, this is his second year as
a starter. In Tom Brady's second year as a starter,
he led the league in touchdown passes. Everybody, Oh, he
was just handing the ball off check He led the
league in touchdown passes with twenty eight. And we know
we said they weren't his second year as a starter,
two thousand and two. So we can't act like Tom Brady,
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like I said, with just Matt Jones throwing little checkdowns
all the time. He was a doing good. He was
playing ball. And so again I'll give you that Burrow
is more prolific at this point in the visually, but
let's not act like Tom Brady. Just anybody could have
stepped so sore to hear. Two for Tom Brady that
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he played sixty four percent completion, eighteen touchdowns, supercent is
second year sixty four That is what I saw. Well,
that's his you got. His third year in the league
was his second year as a starter. No, I'm giving
you a second year, just second year in the league,
super Bowl. Eighteen touchdowns, twelve picks, one hundred and ninety yards.
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Quarterback rating of eighty six point five. Joe Burrow seventy
percent completion, thirty four touchdowns, fourteen picks, two eighty nine.
Quarterback rating one oh eight point three. Rob that playoffs Okay,
I'm just giving you the playoffs in there we're talking about. Yes,
his first year he played Brady, he did go to
win the Super Bowl. Brady had went three and oh
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the playoffs there sixty two percent, one touchdown, one pick,
seventy seven quarterback rating, Joe Burrow three and oh sixty
nine percent same completion, four touchdowns, two picks, ninety six
quarterback waiting. And then Burrow went on the road and
beat the number one seed. Jordan didn't see. Wasn't about Burn. No,
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I'm talking about the big An. Ryan's I'm talking about
the big win against Mahomes and the jordanst Mahomes, I
should say, and the Chiefs. They were down twenty one
to three on the road to a team that had
gone to the super Bowl the last couple of years, right,
two years in the road going for three and he
pulls that out on the road. That wasn't impressive for
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a guy who missed us. But I'm just saying, you're
talking like he didn't do anything. I said he I said,
Joe brus you just something. Joe Burrows better better than
what in his second year and his second year to Tidown.
He he played better than Brady did he leading about touchdowns.
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I'm talking it's all about But I'm say it's not
about no, because that doesn't mean I'm telling you what
a guy did with a with a franchise that hadn't
been to the Super Bowl since nineteen eight in England
great before, Yeah, pretty good, que they were pretty good
that they had been to two Super Bowls. Betty, wouldn't
they were Garberet. He wouldn't even played if what you
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bloods get, he wouldn't even play, right, I mean, he
he didn't enter the league like Joe Gray. That's what
I'm trying to say. He took the job. He didn't
take the job. He got it because somebody got hurt.
So back in did they do it? Well, you're not.
If things are working out, you don't have to make
a change. He never forgot his job. But it's not
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like he too worst. He let him touchdown and the
whole playoffs stopping Joe Burrow. Stop making it like he did.
He let them. He did not, Joe Burrow, he did not.
Are you done? Yeah, I'm done. Joe Burrow has had
two touchdowns and two interceptions in the last two games.
Joe Burrow, And again, I like birt off. My main point,
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it's just sitting here trying to poo poo Tom Brady
as a rookie, Tom he won a Super Bowl with
one touchdown in three playoff games. You know what? But
he wasn't incredible? Yeah, because defense really and they had
a great cable. It was about it was about Bill Belichick. Stop. Okay,
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I'm stopped giving Tom Brady so much credit. Wouldn't they
beat the Rams thirteen to three? Tom Brady had no
top downs in that is that? Did he win that
Super Bowl too? Yeah, Okay, he's got a ring for it,
so he ridiculous. Let me ask, just be fair, Let
me ask be fair. Can you be fair? Let a
brother get a word and hit him? Talk? Talk? Why
if the Patriots were so good? Why were they five
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and eleven the year? But the defense wasn't good enough, Chris?
How about that they had the great bill? About that
it wasn't It wasn't put together. Rob, here's the deal.
You didn't know, Chris. It's either Bill Belichick or Tom Brady.
They had a great defense. Why don't you give the defense? No,
you don't. Rob. You think that by yelling that you're
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gonna win. Called passion? You know, it's called foolish, it's
called passion. It's called Can you let a brother talk?
Like you're yelling and interrupting, that's how you're gonna try
to win the debate. Try, but let's let's eat. I'm
getting I let you talk, so let me talk. I'm
not saying the defense wasn't great. What I am saying
is I'm pointing out facts. You're pointing out feelings because
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your panties are in a bunch, all right. I'm pointing
out facts and the fact is the New England. Patriots
were a more ribundant franchise before Tom Brady took over.
Bill Belichick was a coach who had made the playoffs
one time in six years. Before Tom Brady took over,
they were five and e left in the year before
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Tom Brady took over and owing two that season with
Drew bles I'm saying is give I'm not saying he
was Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning the second year. What
I am saying is don't act like Allie. Anybody could
have stepped in there and done what he did because
Belichick and the defense were so great. That's all I'm saying.
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The Patriots defense in two thousand was seventeenth in the league,
and the next year when Tom Brady became Tom Brady,
it became the sixth best defense. There's a huge difference,
Chris Bussar between seventeen middle of the pack and top
five or six. Patriots got good, then why were they
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owing two with bled So in that defense? Why couldn't
bled So win with that defense? Huh? Why couldn't bleed
So win with it? Get on the air, you talk
to this dude later. Why couldn't bled So win with
that defense. He's a four time Pro Bowl. What do
you mean the defense was bad? He got hurt, chriss, No,
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they were wet, they were going two. He got hurt.
They were owing two. Okay, so that was the sixth
best defense in the league. They were owing two. Maybe,
but maybe they got better to defense that the season
went on. Okay, maybe maybe Brady changed the cold one
in the six. Maybe maybe Brady changed the clear the
six best defense from the first two games. Is that
what you're telling me that year? It was that year. Yeah,
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but that doesn't mean they could better they Okay, Okay,
eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven, seven
nine ninety six, sixty three sixty nine. You're turning away
in RV Tom Brady Joe Burrow comparisons unfair to Joe Burrow,
I mean, because he's so much better than Tom Brady.
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Chris Brussar then Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm
Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
iHeart Radio app Our next guest set numerous NFL and
Seattle Seahawks franchise records in his legendary career. Still looking
good to mess. He's here on Radio Row LA conventions
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and they're promoting Cafe Momentum, which is an award when
he nonprofit restaurant initiative providing twelve months paid internships and
life change in support the young people exiting the juvenile
justice system. And I know Sean well. He's a great
friend and a great brother. Were honored to have you, man,
how are you, brothers? This is good man. I'm so
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hyped to be here in Radio Row. I ain't been
down here in a minute. And it's still a lot
of people doing a lot of shows out here. Oh yeah,
oh yeah yeah. And you look like you could still
play man, You still staying in show? You could give
you a carry on the gold line? Okay, no, but
he's on the gold line in Seattle er. But if
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the gold line, they're gonna throw the ball into the
end zone and not if I was there, we wouldn't
have left the hun give me the ball, give me
a time. When you were watching that, I don't know, people,
we couldn't believe it. Could you? You couldn't believe it?
Would you have real talk? Would you have said to
Russ and the he look, give me the ball. Well,
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we were different now, so Hasteback was the quarterback. So
I'd be like Matt with no do it, Matt, you
know what I mean? Because like we had situations before,
coach we called quarterback sneaks of time and we wouldn't
get it. I was like, man, what you're doing right? Right?
But that one with the best r he was Mars
Shawn Lynch was the best running back in the league.
He had over one hundred and twenty yards in that
Super Bowl. He was playing well, there was no reason
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not to do that. You know. I heard Pete when
we all went in the locker room afterwards. Everybody was
giving all kind of praise the Lord kind of messages
to each other, right and uh and uh. Pete he
did the best job that I've ever seen a coach
due for that situation. He comes in and says, hey, everybody,
come here, let's talk about this right now. This is
my fault, he said. I said. The clock was running down.
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I just thought, if I throw it on second down,
we'll running on third down. If we don't get it,
we'll call time out and we run on fourth down.
And everybody was like, oh, so like there was like
a little bit of a plan. Now I me and
me would have been like, you know, you could have
ran you could have ran it on second now ran
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on third down and then you know, or even the
announcers doing the game, which I remember, they were like
they should let the Patriots should let That's what they said,
because that made sense to try to get the ball back. Yes,
that was crazy, but that was wild. Now, Sean, you
played in the Super Bowl, of course, and and what
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I mean, you're here now in this rhymer. Should you
come every year? But yeah, what would you say to
the players to have to enable them to perform to
their best because it's such a different environment than your
normal game. It's a different game. And you know, like
I used to say that I was a guy that
was like, you know, I was like probably like the
last breed of like you're gonna get them bout thirty.
Sometimes those days are all set the game up, and
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so you're jabbing at people. I'm gonna running, Hey, I
see this lineback, I'm just gonna run and run it
to him and get hit and get tackled. A next time,
give me a little something to go outside, and you
don't set nothing up. In the Super Bowl, every player
is be it as much yards that you can't on
this play. And it's really because the timeouts are so
like it's every possession. Yeah, and then you got the
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halftime is like you know, hofresh like that you couldn't
wear anybody out and so and so I would sell
all the running backs, especially hey, get the four yards,
get the five yards, like unfortunately, this is more of
a coaching game than the regular season game. Like you
know what I mean, because you know, if you break
a long run, it's because you just hit the hole
and somebody missed you do you like this NFL with
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all the passing, some of the great running backs wouldn't
even be able to play today. They don't even consider.
I mean, I look at it, and it's mind boggling
because we always talk, Chris and I about if you
go look at the old passing records or whatever, guys
didn't throw fifty times a game. Quarterbacks might have thrown
eighteen times because the running back was running thirty times
or you know, or this game is totally yeah, it's different,
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you know what I mean. And and some of it,
like guys don't even training like that. No more so
Derek's still trains Like and I look around now and
I'm like, Naja, Harris is the only one that I know, like,
could go be that guy? Hey, we we thirty some
carriers out of you for the next three weeks, you
know what I mean. So, but like everybody else is now,
they've off conformed into it. So now they're all like
they're they're I'm the quick guy, you know, I'm the
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guy that's going to get the ball three or four times,
you know, a game, and everybody's happy and throw me
a screen where I just remember looking at the sidelines
and giving coach Honger that looked like, yo, what we're doing?
You know right now? Now, Ricky Waters was there when
I was a rookie, and so he showed me that
that was okay, you know. So because Ricky was so like, hey,
we're like, no, can you get me out of here? Yeah? Yeah,
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And so because he did that, I thought, okay, that
must be normal, you know. And so so that was
kind of how we did it. But like the running
backs today, they're just way more comfortable, you know. So
I finished my eyear was with the Redskins and Alfred
Morris was like a little brother to me. I would say, hey,
why you come out of the game in the red zone.
He's like, oh, you know they're trying to sit. No, no, no, no, no,
you tell them you want to stay here because you've
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just now made yourself um able to be cut. Now
you used to find another runner. That's and like literally
like he was like, oh, man, I can't do that.
I'm you know, ain't like you. I ain't gonna be
like bullheaded. I was like, I know, man, but I'm
just telling you. And so you look up and the
Redskins were like, man, like he don't score touchdown back
back to back thousand yard seasons, four touchdowns. I'm like, yeah,
if if number ten, now you're the highest paid running
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back in the end. You know what. They used to
do that in Detroit with Barry Sanders. I hated that,
Like Barry Sanders came out at the goal line, you know,
and somebody when Barry ran, because Barry was susceptible for
being caught in the backfield sometimes you know, and so so,
but he he wasn't used like an Emmon Smith who
got all those touchdowns, you know, because he stayed in
Chris Emmont Smith could catch and he could score from close.
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Yeah yeah, I mean I'm out of my game after
after Tony door setting, I'm like a bigger version of
Tony door Set. And then I read I did all
the red zone behind Marcus Allen. And then and then
I wanted to learn, Like I was like, how's he
getting all these yards? Because em it doesn't like he
didn't blow your way with speed or power, but he
knew how to get behind blockers and he had to.
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That's a little I was like, Okay, So if I
can can burst through holes like Tonier said, hide behind
blockers like Emmen, and then can kind of man up
in the red zone like Marguts Allen, I might have
a good career. And that's what I did. You did,
and we announced you as the NFL MVP. We didn't
put Hall of Famer there, but you got a heck
of a case. Five straight thousand yard seasons, laid the
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league in rushing. Like I said, MVP one year, almost
one hundred and twenty yards a game. What what do
you think? I mean, obviously you want to be in,
but why do you think like I know you're looking
at guys like man how am I not in there?
What are your thoughts on just this whole process. It
gets wild because you know, I get here and you know,
and I see Drome and and Emmen and you know
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we're talking on I saw Marshall the other day, you know,
and all these guys like, yo, you know, gold Jacket,
what's up? You know what I mean. I'm like, y'all,
like I'm not many And they're like, how you not in?
Like you know, so all the grades are like they
all treat me like I'm like I'm in, and I'm
just not in it. So it gets weird because to me,
like you know, you look at it and I feel
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like part of it is I get compared to um
Amn and Ladanian who played fifteen fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years
and and I probably played about seven. You know what. Now,
I vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame, and I
just think that there the structure and like numbers like this,
like certain benchmarks you can look at and like if
you get, uh, three thousand hits in the career, you
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get you get in the Hall of Fame, or if
you hit five hundred, hold like they're I don't. I
think the NFL needs some sort of parameters because it's
all over the place, and I don't even think, like
guys who are Hall of famers know what get you in?
Do you see what I'm saying? I agree? You agree
with that because I would say, like hundred touchdowns, right, Like,
there's certain numbers that should be If you get a
hundred touchdowns, you should be in all you if you
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get an und yeah, you know, something like that a benchmark.
And I think that's why people don't know who's a
Hall of forty seven touchdowns in the year? Yeah, can
you imagine that twenty seven one year hit the secret
sat I set out nine quarters in that year, did
you really want? Came out two games at halftime, five
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other games. I came out in the fourth quarter. Wow,
for the fourth quarters started? So you didn't play at
all in nine quarters in sixteen games too. Now they're
playing seventeen. So how about the new new all these
some of these younger coaches we've seen uh in uh
with the charge of the fourth going down forward on
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fourth down and their own territory. Have you watched that?
And I know it's like, oh, you're so old school,
and you know there's all these analytics and you guys
are dinosaurs and we're living this this uh maddened life,
you know, just going game. Am I right? Like like
when you see some of them ad meant to learn
in the game from Maddens. Yeah, it's not. But you know,
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like I'm walking around and that people saying that, oh,
I know you from mad and I'm like, hey, when
I put my foot down in the game, like, hey,
I actually played, right, I played. I was getting down,
They're like, oh, yeah, you know all fantasy football. I'm like,
we saw that in that the game that caused the
Chargers when they played the Raiders they went forward? What
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was that Rob g done for fourth and two on
their own on their own eighteen yard line? Crazy? But
you know, but don't you think like that happened a
little bit with the Kansas City even playing the Bengals. Yes, yeah,
I'm like I heard Romo talking about like, oh, well man,
they should just kind of run out the clock, and
I'm like, dude, score score, stop playing around, score the touchdown,
like get the game and get the game over with,
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like cause then you just say, hey, you know what
if he's got them and he can beat us with
ten seconds right, I mean thirteen seconds, you like, like
just score the touchdown? All right, Sean, tell us about
Cafe Momentum. I mentioned it earlier, but tell us about it.
I saw it when I came in and had yeah yeah, yeah,
so yeah. So Caffeymentum is it's it's pretty cool, man.
I I'm an ambassador for a group called Staying Together.
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So it's about seven hundred of the successful businessmen, women
and philanthropic leaders in the country. And what they have
done is they go find a way to help people
that are poor or poverty or things have been affected
by poverty. And so one of their organizations that they
put money into was Caffee Momentum. And I just saw it.
And I met Chad Houser, who was a celebrity chef
(25:27):
in Dallas, and and uh he actually put um. He
spent some time at a juvenile center teaching kids how
to cook and uh and and um. And he what
he did was he put them in a cooking contest
against a culinary school and one of the kids won.
That's unbelievable, but it killed you. What you can do right,
you put put the right people around them, and the
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kids jumping up or down, I'm gonna work at a
restaurant when I get out. I'm thinking either Taco Bella
or Wendy. So he knew, oh, wait minutes. This kid
ain't ever been outside of He don't even know like
he can work as that's right. So he changed the
company to be a foundation's nonprofit, and he said he
started taking all the kids in the juvenile system in Dallas,
and so kids instead of going to a juvie center,
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they'll come and work for him. So now they still
stay at home, but they have to have so many
hours working with him, and they have social worker psychologists
all that. He put aunties and uncles around them, and
these kids allowed to change. So the recivatives out there
is fifteen percent. Normally in most places is fifty, but
it's fifteen percent there. But that's the bottom the success stories.
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He's the other eighty five percent of the kids got
to be trip out college college graduates. There. You know
one of the girls that we love, little Maya, she's
working as a as a nurse assistant at the children's hospital.
And so I saw it and I just thought we
should put this in every NFL city. And so that
was a simple goal. And I called up the NFL
and was like, Hey, I want y'all to see this.
Let's throw a dinner, let's start having these parties. And
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we're started. So we started in Dallas. We just we
just broke aroun broke ground in Nashville and in Pittsburgh,
and we're gonna announce Friday that we're gonna start the
process of breaking ground in LA and then yeah, so
it's really cool week got Yeah, well, congratulations on that.
Great having you here man, and keep doing your thing. Yeah, man,
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Love y'all show. Yeah, thank you. NFL MVP Sean Alexander,
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for the super Bowl. Sold here, Rob Ge? You got
no jat nothing on your sleeves? Are you cold? I
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was herks of being husky that he will never understand.
Chris Bruce han nah, we all got jacket show? Are
you Harry you? Are you a Harry guy? I don't think,
sir over you. I mean I have hair, I have
mad hair, but I don't think I have it on
my back or anywhere that you wouldn't expect it to be.
If he took a shirt off, you would think he
had a chinchillo on his back. There you Alex thank you.
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All right, Well, like I said, let's go to the
in nfl um and talk about this Super Bowl and
rob a lot of was it Sean mcvain that came out?
Who was it? If? Itsive coordinator for the RAM said
they want to win this Super Bowl for Aaron Donald.
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Aaron Donald that said, of all the things he's done,
he's obviously accomplished just about everything you could accept winnings.
He's talking about it. Rob a lot like you know,
like a quarterback wood where we obviously we we judge
quarterbacks very much by super Bowls. We don't tend to
do that with most other positions, if any other positions,
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not not any position. Running backs you certainly don't. Receivers,
you don't. It's nice to get rings, of course, but yeah,
you want to be on a team that went. But
it ain't like, oh yeah, so and so he's running
back he had three rings. Nobody said that. I don't
know how many rings, uh um, frank o' harris won.
I don't. But I'm just saying, right, right, but I'm
(30:09):
just saying like that, ain't that ain't fixed into my
head about frank O Harris? Right, Yeah, it just doesn't
it doesn't. You're not gonna put frank o' harris ahead
of Ojason because never won, right, right, So we're Barry
Sanders for that matter. Um, but what do you think
of this? I mean, he is a defensive player, one
of the best, most would say the best of this generation.
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Do you think it will enhance his legacy or anything?
Not at all? Not at all, Not at all. Wow.
I just don't think that we look at defensive players
that way. I really don't, Chris. I hate to break
it to him, but if they win the Super Bowl,
they'll probably give the MVP to Matthew Stafford, not to him. Uh,
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they've been great defensive does just about anything. He'll win
the Super Stafford, Yeah, just about problem other than throwing
twe picks and they win, you know what I mean?
Like for real? Uh, they've been great defensive performance. As
we talked about it before, even last year, Chris. They
shut out Patrick Mahomes. Lady got no points in the
Super Bowl. Nobody on the defense got any any prize,
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nobody got anything. They won, They scored points. Brady was
the MVP. They shut Patrick mahomes out. They got nothing
for that. Nobody unless you get you know, I mean,
you could give it to the defense, but but you know,
even even an individual even in uh, I'm just saying, like,
normally that's just not unless it's a game deciding play.
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Who was the guy for the Raiders? Uh? No? Was
it Larry Brown? Rob G? Who am I thinking of?
When when the Steelers played in the Super Bowl? Guy
got to two interceptions against the Steels? I thought it
was did he get an MVP? Yeah? He did, and
he got he was he was like a dB. He
got two interceptions? Looking up, Larry Brown was his name?
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He got rob G? He got uh two interceptions one
the MVP, got a big contract the next year for
another team, and was out of the league three years later.
Am I right? Yeah? Who was that Larry Brown? Super
Bowl thirty? Who was Super Bowl MVP? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
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right way back? He had two interceptions. He wasn't a
big name player. He had three interceptions, two in the
second half, right, and he got the MVP. But normally
that's not how it goes. Was it was he with
the Raiders? Who was he with Cowboys and they were
playing Pittsburgh? And then he signed with the Raiders, got
that fat deal. That's why I knew the Raiders were involved.
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He got a big deal after that, Chris. But normally
we don't look at defensive players. When I think of
Lawrence Taylor, Lawrence Taylor won two championships, I'll never bring
that up with him. I think of what he did
defensively and how he uh you know, reshaped how the
importance of that position, how people started drafting players to
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go up against him, right, to block him, and to
try to protect a quarterback. So I don't look at
lawns Taylor go he won two championship with the Giants.
I know he did, but I don't put that on
his record. I think defensive players are different. I tend
to agree with you. So for the most part, like
we started off the conversation, yeah, we don't tend to
judge any other position by that. But what I will
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say is this rob most of the other legendary defensive players,
not Hall of famers. I'm talking about the guys that
are the elite of the league. The elite Ray Lewis,
Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Ronnie Lott, Mike Singletary, the mean
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Joe Green, like the guys that we think of, like
we think of Aaron Down, the Lawrence Taylor. To your point,
they most of them, not every single one, but most
of them did win Super Bowls, and I maybe that's
why we think of them as more legendary. You're right,
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we don't name oh Nornce Taylor got two, Ray Lewis,
what do you get one? You know, like like, we
don't say it like that, But do we think of
Mike Singletary maybe a little more than Brian Erlacker because
Singletary did play on that great defense in Chicago that
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won the Super Bowl? You know, so I think that matters.
I'm with you in that it's not like quarterbacks. But
as I began to think about this, I was like,
you know what the guys that Dion saying the defensive
there aren't something. The one, the biggest one I can
think of that didn't is Bruce Smith, Okay bowl. Reggie
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White won the Super Bowl like most and again I
know there's a few out there. Jack young Blood with
the Rams, he never won a Super Bowl. J. J.
Watt obviously has, and I think with JJ a lot
of it. We will think of John, but I think
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most of the ones just do we talk about John
Randall is great and he was awesome, But do we
talk about him like we talk about Reggie White? Do
we talk about uh Junior say how like we talk
about he was? But do we talk about him like
we talk about ray Lewis. I think that when you
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win a super Bowl it does Mate. I don't know
if it raises you in stature a little or all.
Most of the guys at that level did win, and
again you're right, there's some so so if they lose, No,
if Joe Burrow throws four touchdown and they beat the Rams, right,
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no one's gonna say, oh, you know, uh uh Aaron
Donald lost the Super Bowl or he couldn't he couldn't
stop Joe Burrow, Like, it won't be on him. That's
why I don't think he gets the credit. I think
there will be something like if they only sacked Burrow
once you think that, I look, nobody's gonna say Aaron
Donald is not this awesome guy. But we will say
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you couldn't get that that paper machete offensive line and
you're you're the best player. You couldn't get to the
quarterbright right, I'm the man. But I don't think that
he would get if they lose and and Burrow has
a great day or whatever. I just don't think people
are gonna hold it against them. I think somewhere it
won't be like a quarterback stuff for those two picks
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pay right. But I think the people that really, you know,
beyond the casual fan, the guys that are really breaking
down the game, will say, man, they couldn't get to
the quarterback. And we thought the Rams were gonna that
was a huge advantage for them, and they couldn't get
to the quarterback. You know. So I heard a few
weeks ago. I don't know if it was Tony Romo,
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but there was one of the Rams games and the
commentator was saying, you know, one name we haven't mentioned
this whole first half is Aaron Donald. Like, so I do,
I hear you? And I obviously nobody gets championship comparisons
like quarterbacks. But as I was thinking about it, ROB
so many of the all time elite of the elite
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defensive players that we talk about, not every single one,
but most of them did win Super Bowls, and it
does I think it does seal their legacy. I just
think that when people think of them, it's not that
I'm not saying that having a Super Bowl hurt you
or anything. It doesn't. But I don't think that if
you were still I don't think anybody will say Aaron
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Donald wasn't a awesome uh no defense, one of the
greatest or whatever, but he didn't win a Super Bowl
like like, I just don't think and I'm not saying
that winning okay, but comparing and comparing him and Reggie White,
do super bowls come into play? I don't think so.
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Do you think not? At that Reggie White one, I
don't know he won one, Okay, with the Green Bands
of free Agent h No, I know they won Chris,
But I don't think that. I don't think that's going
to be a demerit against Aaron Donald when when you
start the lot, you know, stack him up and you'll
just be like, he was one of the great defensive
players we ever saw. But I think you also think
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of many of the great defensive players were associated with
a great defense. We think of the Ravens in the
early two thousand, which was an unbelievable Lewis was the
hub and you know, and that and that one we
take it away from the quarterback. That's the that's the one. Yeah,
they that offen that you do it where you go.
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Anybody could have been a quarterback on that team. Just
don't make a bad pick or you know, throw the
ball away like and that's the thing. Like even with
Singletary and the eighty five Bears, they had Jim McMahon's
a quarterback, it wasn't great. No Curtain got a lot
of love, and Bradshaw got a lot of love. That's
one where it kind of both sides. But the Steve
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Curtain was you know, everybody was praising him. And we
talked about the Bears before. It's probably one of the
only times, or its probably could have happened before. But
when they the defense, if you remember, Buddy Ryan was
the architect of that defense and the defensive coordinator, and
they carried him off the field and the offense carried
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Mike Dicket off the field, it was unbelievable. Like that's
how big of a part that defense was, right,
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. Interesting stories, storylines
with these quarterbacks, you know, Matthew Stafford a number, both
of them, number one picks. Stafford could not deliver. And
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you know, as well as anybody in Detroit, had some
good years, obviously put up some big numbers, but never
was able to turn him into a consistent winner. And
that's one thing about Stafford. Like even number one picks
and some of them are just straight busts. But most
great quarterbacks, even if they don't win a Super Bowl,
(01:03):
they turned their team into a perennial playoffs you know,
like most years they're making the playoffs. He didn't even
do that. No, Chris, that's my biggest argument when people
talk about him and even the numbers, it's not like
like he had to win a super Bowl to validate him.
But they were not there like like he was supposed
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to lift, like Joe Burrow just did Chris in two years, Fairness,
Burrows done something no other than no I know, but
I'm saying, and I'm not saying that man had to
take him to a super Bowl, but he changed the
culture and lifted the organization. Would you say that, Yes,
A Stafford didn't do that in twelve years in Detroit.
And I've had great player and you had Calvin Johnson,
a first ballot wide receiver Hall of Famer. Most wide
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receivers don't get in on the first ballot. It's very difficult.
And Dominican sued Nick Fairley. They had some good pieces
on the defensive and Jim who went to the Super
Bowl Chris. So, I like when people act like he
had nothing, Oh my god, you know what, he didn't
have anything. Come on, man, don't don't do everybody else
like that. I think that's that's that's fair um. On
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the other side, of course, as you mentioned Joe Burrow,
and you know, he has just taken the league by
storm right now, and we say it all the time,
Rob Man, we were first guessers on this, we guessers.
We just came out strong. When everybody was saying you
shouldn't go to go to the Bengals. Oh, it's a
terrible ruin your career. We said, no, if you're that guy,
(02:30):
go there and turn them around. Most number one picks
go to bad teams. That's how they got the number one.
And Cincinnati, furthermore, has been the Super Bowls. They they're
not Again, I no excuse for Stafford, but they're not
the Detroit Lions. They are they've been to super Bowls before.
I get it. You want to say they're cheap and
(02:50):
things like that, but they have put together legitimate football teams, period.
And so obviously he went there and the rest is history.
And we'll see how great that history gets on Sunday.
But Rob Joe Burrow is getting a ton of comparisons
to Tom Brady. Von Miller, who's gonna face him on Sunday.
(03:12):
The ad dresser for the Rams, linebacker Um Boomers Sciason,
the former Bengals quarterback, has compared him to Tim Brady.
Rex Ryan has compared him to Tom Brady. Uh, and
here's Von Miller talking about it. You know, it's the
Joe Barrow show. Don't don't forget it. No, this this,
this guy is the real deal. Um. I don't like
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making comparisons to you know, anybody else. Joe Barrow is
his own guy. But you definitely see shades of Tom
Brady and this guy. Man. You know at the moment
it's not too big for him, all right, Rob, you
you don't like these compares, No, I don't. And if
he's just talking about like moments, then maybe that's different.
If he's talking about he's Tom Brady wasn't this good?
(03:57):
Uh year or two in the NFL. Tom Brady was
a game manager who moved the ball down field so
to take a kick field goals. Tom Brady wasn't. So
you're saying it's an insult, like not fair to Burrow.
Not because I think Joe's better. I think Joe Burrows
better at this point than where Tom Brady was. Chris,
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I am I do because I don't. I don't think
that that Patriots team wasn't was about Tom Brady. It
was about the defense and about kicking, and Tom Brady
was a game manager that first Super Bowl. Tom Brady
scored exactly one touchdown in the post through one touchdown
in the entire postseason. That's it. I'm not I'm not.
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They won the Super Bowl, Chris, I'm not knocking it.
But that ain't what Joe Burrow is. I'm sorry. I
think Joe Burrow is light years ahead. I'm not saying
he's gonna beat Tom Brady. I'm not gonna say, Chris,
he's gonna win more than Tom Brady, or he's gonna
be better than Tom Brady or whatever. But I'm talking
about if you look at the first two years and
he missed what seven games last year with injury, he played, Yeah,
(05:02):
he played ten. Unbelieve they were two and seven, two
seventy one, two seven and one right when he missed
those games, So he hadn't even played. He's played like
a season and a half. And where he has and
what he's been able to do here without a coach
like Bill bellichicking place, I'm just saying. I'm just saying,
like a veteran coach, veteran and I just don't I
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don't think they're the same. I really don't. Okay, Joe
Burrow individually, I would say is probably ahead of where
Brady was. He came in as the number one pick.
He led a team to a national championship. Tom Brady,
you know Michigan, right Blake, you know his last year
he did a few things, but was the one hundred
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ninety ninth pick. So I get all that, but I
will say this, Rob, because I think it. I think
you just did it, and I think a lot of
people overstate, Oh Brady was not. Then Brady was just
this like he was just Mac Jones right now, and
he wasn't. The facts are the facts. The New England
Patriots under Bill Belichick were five and eleven the year
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before Brady took over for Drew bledso and Bledsoe was
a Pro Bowl, four time Pro Bowl quarterback. They were
oh and two with Bledsoe starting when he got hurt,
and then Brady comes in. So five and thirteen they were,
and Brady steps in and they go on this tear.
They go eleven and three over the rest of the
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season and obviously go ahead to win the Super Bowl.
So I'm just saying he did turn that team around.
There's no evidence that had Drew Bledsoe just stayed at
quarterback that he would have done that as good as
he was individually, because he hadn't done it, and Bill
Belichick at that point, rob Bill Belichick had coached six
(06:57):
years in the NFL, had the playoffs once, and had
been fired once, and so Bill Belichick was no. At
that point, nobody was thinking more of Bill Belichick than
they're thinking of Zach Taylor. But Chris, you know, so
you're looking at history. No that, dude, these are all
the Hey, hold on, here's the last thing. Let me
but here's the last thing. Tom Brady, just like Joe
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Burrow and Joe Burrows, this is his second year as
a starter. In Tom Brady's second year as a starter,
he led the league in touchdown passes. Everybody, Oh, he
was just handing the ball off check He led the
league in touchdown passes with twenty eight. And we know
we said they weren't his second year as a starter,
two thousand and two. So we can't act like Tom Brady,
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like I said, with just Matt Jones throwing little checkdowns
all the time. He was a doing good. He was
playing ball. And so again I'll give you that Burrow
is more prolific at this point in the visually, but
let's not act like Tom Brady. Just anybody could have
stepped so sore to hear. Two for Tom Brady that
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he played sixty four percent completion, eighteen touchdowns, supercent is
second year sixty four That is what I saw. Well,
that's his you got. His third year in the league
was his second year as a starter. No, I'm giving
you a second year, just second year in the league,
super Bowl. Eighteen touchdowns, twelve picks, one hundred and ninety yards.
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Quarterback rating of eighty six point five. Joe Burrow seventy
percent completion, thirty four touchdowns, fourteen picks, two eighty nine.
Quarterback rating one oh eight point three. Rob that playoffs Okay,
I'm just giving you the playoffs in there we're talking about. Yes,
his first year he played Brady, he did go to
win the Super Bowl. Brady had went three and oh
(08:52):
the playoffs there sixty two percent, one touchdown, one pick,
seventy seven quarterback rating, Joe Burrow three and oh sixty
nine percent same completion, four touchdowns, two picks, ninety six
quarterback waiting. And then Burrow went on the road and
beat the number one seed. Jordan didn't see. Wasn't about Burn. No,
(09:13):
I'm talking about the big An. Ryan's I'm talking about
the big win against Mahomes and the jordanst Mahomes, I
should say, and the Chiefs. They were down twenty one
to three on the road to a team that had
gone to the super Bowl the last couple of years, right,
two years in the road going for three and he
pulls that out on the road. That wasn't impressive for
(09:36):
a guy who missed us. But I'm just saying, you're
talking like he didn't do anything. I said he I said,
Joe brus you just something. Joe Burrows better better than
what in his second year and his second year to Tidown.
He he played better than Brady did he leading about touchdowns.
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I'm talking it's all about But I'm say it's not
about no, because that doesn't mean I'm telling you what
a guy did with a with a franchise that hadn't
been to the Super Bowl since nineteen eight in England
great before, Yeah, pretty good, que they were pretty good
that they had been to two Super Bowls. Betty, wouldn't
they were Garberet. He wouldn't even played if what you
(10:19):
bloods get, he wouldn't even play, right, I mean, he
he didn't enter the league like Joe Gray. That's what
I'm trying to say. He took the job. He didn't
take the job. He got it because somebody got hurt.
So back in did they do it? Well, you're not.
If things are working out, you don't have to make
a change. He never forgot his job. But it's not
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like he too worst. He let him touchdown and the
whole playoffs stopping Joe Burrow. Stop making it like he did.
He let them. He did not, Joe Burrow, he did not.
Are you done? Yeah, I'm done. Joe Burrow has had
two touchdowns and two interceptions in the last two games.
Joe Burrow, And again, I like birt off. My main point,
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it's just sitting here trying to poo poo Tom Brady
as a rookie, Tom he won a Super Bowl with
one touchdown in three playoff games. You know what? But
he wasn't incredible? Yeah, because defense really and they had
a great cable. It was about it was about Bill Belichick. Stop. Okay,
(11:25):
I'm stopped giving Tom Brady so much credit. Wouldn't they
beat the Rams thirteen to three? Tom Brady had no
top downs in that is that? Did he win that
Super Bowl too? Yeah, Okay, he's got a ring for it,
so he ridiculous. Let me ask, just be fair, Let
me ask be fair. Can you be fair? Let a
brother get a word and hit him? Talk? Talk? Why
if the Patriots were so good? Why were they five
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and eleven the year? But the defense wasn't good enough, Chris?
How about that they had the great bill? About that
it wasn't It wasn't put together. Rob, here's the deal.
You didn't know, Chris. It's either Bill Belichick or Tom Brady.
They had a great defense. Why don't you give the defense? No,
you don't. Rob. You think that by yelling that you're
(12:09):
gonna win. Called passion? You know, it's called foolish, it's
called passion. It's called Can you let a brother talk?
Like you're yelling and interrupting, that's how you're gonna try
to win the debate. Try, but let's let's eat. I'm
getting I let you talk, so let me talk. I'm
not saying the defense wasn't great. What I am saying
is I'm pointing out facts. You're pointing out feelings because
(12:31):
your panties are in a bunch, all right. I'm pointing
out facts and the fact is the New England. Patriots
were a more ribundant franchise before Tom Brady took over.
Bill Belichick was a coach who had made the playoffs
one time in six years. Before Tom Brady took over,
they were five and e left in the year before
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Tom Brady took over and owing two that season with
Drew bles I'm saying is give I'm not saying he
was Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning the second year. What
I am saying is don't act like Allie. Anybody could
have stepped in there and done what he did because
Belichick and the defense were so great. That's all I'm saying.
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The Patriots defense in two thousand was seventeenth in the league,
and the next year when Tom Brady became Tom Brady,
it became the sixth best defense. There's a huge difference,
Chris Bussar between seventeen middle of the pack and top
five or six. Patriots got good, then why were they
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owing two with bled So in that defense? Why couldn't
bled So win with that defense? Huh? Why couldn't bleed
So win with it? Get on the air, you talk
to this dude later. Why couldn't bled So win with
that defense. He's a four time Pro Bowl. What do
you mean the defense was bad? He got hurt, chriss, No,
(13:56):
they were wet, they were going two. He got hurt.
They were owing two. Okay, so that was the sixth
best defense in the league. They were owing two. Maybe,
but maybe they got better to defense that the season
went on. Okay, maybe maybe Brady changed the cold one
in the six. Maybe maybe Brady changed the clear the
six best defense from the first two games. Is that
what you're telling me that year? It was that year. Yeah,
(14:17):
but that doesn't mean they could better they Okay, Okay,
eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven, seven
nine ninety six, sixty three sixty nine. You're turning away
in RV Tom Brady Joe Burrow comparisons unfair to Joe Burrow,
I mean, because he's so much better than Tom Brady.
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and they're promoting Cafe Momentum, which is an award when
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life change in support the young people exiting the juvenile
justice system. And I know Sean well. He's a great
friend and a great brother. Were honored to have you, man,
how are you, brothers? This is good man. I'm so
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hyped to be here in Radio Row. I ain't been
down here in a minute. And it's still a lot
of people doing a lot of shows out here. Oh yeah,
oh yeah yeah. And you look like you could still
play man, You still staying in show? You could give
you a carry on the gold line? Okay, no, but
he's on the gold line in Seattle er. But if
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the gold line, they're gonna throw the ball into the
end zone and not if I was there, we wouldn't
have left the hun give me the ball, give me
a time. When you were watching that, I don't know, people,
we couldn't believe it. Could you? You couldn't believe it?
Would you have real talk? Would you have said to
Russ and the he look, give me the ball. Well,
(16:02):
we were different now, so Hasteback was the quarterback. So
I'd be like Matt with no do it, Matt, you
know what I mean? Because like we had situations before,
coach we called quarterback sneaks of time and we wouldn't
get it. I was like, man, what you're doing right? Right?
But that one with the best r he was Mars
Shawn Lynch was the best running back in the league.
He had over one hundred and twenty yards in that
Super Bowl. He was playing well, there was no reason
(16:24):
not to do that. You know. I heard Pete when
we all went in the locker room afterwards. Everybody was
giving all kind of praise the Lord kind of messages
to each other, right and uh and uh. Pete he
did the best job that I've ever seen a coach
due for that situation. He comes in and says, hey, everybody,
come here, let's talk about this right now. This is
my fault, he said. I said. The clock was running down.
(16:46):
I just thought, if I throw it on second down,
we'll running on third down. If we don't get it,
we'll call time out and we run on fourth down.
And everybody was like, oh, so like there was like
a little bit of a plan. Now I me and
me would have been like, you know, you could have
ran you could have ran it on second now ran
(17:06):
on third down and then you know, or even the
announcers doing the game, which I remember, they were like
they should let the Patriots should let That's what they said,
because that made sense to try to get the ball back. Yes,
that was crazy, but that was wild. Now, Sean, you
played in the Super Bowl, of course, and and what
(17:27):
I mean, you're here now in this rhymer. Should you
come every year? But yeah, what would you say to
the players to have to enable them to perform to
their best because it's such a different environment than your
normal game. It's a different game. And you know, like
I used to say that I was a guy that
was like, you know, I was like probably like the
last breed of like you're gonna get them bout thirty.
Sometimes those days are all set the game up, and
(17:48):
so you're jabbing at people. I'm gonna running, Hey, I
see this lineback, I'm just gonna run and run it
to him and get hit and get tackled. A next time,
give me a little something to go outside, and you
don't set nothing up. In the Super Bowl, every player
is be it as much yards that you can't on
this play. And it's really because the timeouts are so
like it's every possession. Yeah, and then you got the
(18:08):
halftime is like you know, hofresh like that you couldn't
wear anybody out and so and so I would sell
all the running backs, especially hey, get the four yards,
get the five yards, like unfortunately, this is more of
a coaching game than the regular season game. Like you
know what I mean, because you know, if you break
a long run, it's because you just hit the hole
and somebody missed you do you like this NFL with
(18:32):
all the passing, some of the great running backs wouldn't
even be able to play today. They don't even consider.
I mean, I look at it, and it's mind boggling
because we always talk, Chris and I about if you
go look at the old passing records or whatever, guys
didn't throw fifty times a game. Quarterbacks might have thrown
eighteen times because the running back was running thirty times
or you know, or this game is totally yeah, it's different,
(18:58):
you know what I mean. And and some of it,
like guys don't even training like that. No more so
Derek's still trains Like and I look around now and
I'm like, Naja, Harris is the only one that I know, like,
could go be that guy? Hey, we we thirty some
carriers out of you for the next three weeks, you
know what I mean. So, but like everybody else is now,
they've off conformed into it. So now they're all like
they're they're I'm the quick guy, you know, I'm the
(19:19):
guy that's going to get the ball three or four times,
you know, a game, and everybody's happy and throw me
a screen where I just remember looking at the sidelines
and giving coach Honger that looked like, yo, what we're doing?
You know right now? Now, Ricky Waters was there when
I was a rookie, and so he showed me that
that was okay, you know. So because Ricky was so like, hey,
we're like, no, can you get me out of here? Yeah? Yeah,
(19:40):
And so because he did that, I thought, okay, that
must be normal, you know. And so so that was
kind of how we did it. But like the running
backs today, they're just way more comfortable, you know. So
I finished my eyear was with the Redskins and Alfred
Morris was like a little brother to me. I would say, hey,
why you come out of the game in the red zone.
He's like, oh, you know they're trying to sit. No, no, no, no, no,
you tell them you want to stay here because you've
(20:02):
just now made yourself um able to be cut. Now
you used to find another runner. That's and like literally
like he was like, oh, man, I can't do that.
I'm you know, ain't like you. I ain't gonna be
like bullheaded. I was like, I know, man, but I'm
just telling you. And so you look up and the
Redskins were like, man, like he don't score touchdown back
back to back thousand yard seasons, four touchdowns. I'm like, yeah,
if if number ten, now you're the highest paid running
(20:23):
back in the end. You know what. They used to
do that in Detroit with Barry Sanders. I hated that,
Like Barry Sanders came out at the goal line, you know,
and somebody when Barry ran, because Barry was susceptible for
being caught in the backfield sometimes you know, and so so,
but he he wasn't used like an Emmon Smith who
got all those touchdowns, you know, because he stayed in
Chris Emmont Smith could catch and he could score from close.
(20:46):
Yeah yeah, I mean I'm out of my game after
after Tony door setting, I'm like a bigger version of
Tony door Set. And then I read I did all
the red zone behind Marcus Allen. And then and then
I wanted to learn, Like I was like, how's he
getting all these yards? Because em it doesn't like he
didn't blow your way with speed or power, but he
knew how to get behind blockers and he had to.
(21:08):
That's a little I was like, Okay, So if I
can can burst through holes like Tonier said, hide behind
blockers like Emmen, and then can kind of man up
in the red zone like Marguts Allen, I might have
a good career. And that's what I did. You did,
and we announced you as the NFL MVP. We didn't
put Hall of Famer there, but you got a heck
of a case. Five straight thousand yard seasons, laid the
(21:29):
league in rushing. Like I said, MVP one year, almost
one hundred and twenty yards a game. What what do
you think? I mean, obviously you want to be in,
but why do you think like I know you're looking
at guys like man how am I not in there?
What are your thoughts on just this whole process. It
gets wild because you know, I get here and you know,
and I see Drome and and Emmen and you know
(21:51):
we're talking on I saw Marshall the other day, you know,
and all these guys like, yo, you know, gold Jacket,
what's up? You know what I mean. I'm like, y'all,
like I'm not many And they're like, how you not in?
Like you know, so all the grades are like they
all treat me like I'm like I'm in, and I'm
just not in it. So it gets weird because to me,
like you know, you look at it and I feel
(22:13):
like part of it is I get compared to um
Amn and Ladanian who played fifteen fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years
and and I probably played about seven. You know what. Now,
I vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame, and I
just think that there the structure and like numbers like this,
like certain benchmarks you can look at and like if
you get, uh, three thousand hits in the career, you
(22:36):
get you get in the Hall of Fame, or if
you hit five hundred, hold like they're I don't. I
think the NFL needs some sort of parameters because it's
all over the place, and I don't even think, like
guys who are Hall of famers know what get you in?
Do you see what I'm saying? I agree? You agree
with that because I would say, like hundred touchdowns, right, Like,
there's certain numbers that should be If you get a
hundred touchdowns, you should be in all you if you
(22:57):
get an und yeah, you know, something like that a benchmark.
And I think that's why people don't know who's a
Hall of forty seven touchdowns in the year? Yeah, can
you imagine that twenty seven one year hit the secret
sat I set out nine quarters in that year, did
you really want? Came out two games at halftime, five
(23:18):
other games. I came out in the fourth quarter. Wow,
for the fourth quarters started? So you didn't play at
all in nine quarters in sixteen games too. Now they're
playing seventeen. So how about the new new all these
some of these younger coaches we've seen uh in uh
with the charge of the fourth going down forward on
(23:38):
fourth down and their own territory. Have you watched that?
And I know it's like, oh, you're so old school,
and you know there's all these analytics and you guys
are dinosaurs and we're living this this uh maddened life,
you know, just going game. Am I right? Like like
when you see some of them ad meant to learn
in the game from Maddens. Yeah, it's not. But you know,
(24:01):
like I'm walking around and that people saying that, oh,
I know you from mad and I'm like, hey, when
I put my foot down in the game, like, hey,
I actually played, right, I played. I was getting down,
They're like, oh, yeah, you know all fantasy football. I'm like,
we saw that in that the game that caused the
Chargers when they played the Raiders they went forward? What
(24:22):
was that Rob g done for fourth and two on
their own on their own eighteen yard line? Crazy? But
you know, but don't you think like that happened a
little bit with the Kansas City even playing the Bengals. Yes, yeah,
I'm like I heard Romo talking about like, oh, well man,
they should just kind of run out the clock, and
I'm like, dude, score score, stop playing around, score the touchdown,
like get the game and get the game over with,
(24:44):
like cause then you just say, hey, you know what
if he's got them and he can beat us with
ten seconds right, I mean thirteen seconds, you like, like
just score the touchdown? All right, Sean, tell us about
Cafe Momentum. I mentioned it earlier, but tell us about it.
I saw it when I came in and had yeah yeah, yeah,
so yeah. So Caffeymentum is it's it's pretty cool, man.
I I'm an ambassador for a group called Staying Together.
(25:06):
So it's about seven hundred of the successful businessmen, women
and philanthropic leaders in the country. And what they have
done is they go find a way to help people
that are poor or poverty or things have been affected
by poverty. And so one of their organizations that they
put money into was Caffee Momentum. And I just saw it.
And I met Chad Houser, who was a celebrity chef
(25:27):
in Dallas, and and uh he actually put um. He
spent some time at a juvenile center teaching kids how
to cook and uh and and um. And he what
he did was he put them in a cooking contest
against a culinary school and one of the kids won.
That's unbelievable, but it killed you. What you can do right,
you put put the right people around them, and the
(25:48):
kids jumping up or down, I'm gonna work at a
restaurant when I get out. I'm thinking either Taco Bella
or Wendy. So he knew, oh, wait minutes. This kid
ain't ever been outside of He don't even know like
he can work as that's right. So he changed the
company to be a foundation's nonprofit, and he said he
started taking all the kids in the juvenile system in Dallas,
and so kids instead of going to a juvie center,
(26:11):
they'll come and work for him. So now they still
stay at home, but they have to have so many
hours working with him, and they have social worker psychologists
all that. He put aunties and uncles around them, and
these kids allowed to change. So the recivatives out there
is fifteen percent. Normally in most places is fifty, but
it's fifteen percent there. But that's the bottom the success stories.
(26:31):
He's the other eighty five percent of the kids got
to be trip out college college graduates. There. You know
one of the girls that we love, little Maya, she's
working as a as a nurse assistant at the children's hospital.
And so I saw it and I just thought we
should put this in every NFL city. And so that
was a simple goal. And I called up the NFL
and was like, Hey, I want y'all to see this.
Let's throw a dinner, let's start having these parties. And
(26:53):
we're started. So we started in Dallas. We just we
just broke aroun broke ground in Nashville and in Pittsburgh,
and we're gonna announce Friday that we're gonna start the
process of breaking ground in LA and then yeah, so
it's really cool week got Yeah, well, congratulations on that.
Great having you here man, and keep doing your thing. Yeah, man,
(27:14):
it's gonna be good man. Thank you all for y'all.
Love y'all show. Yeah, thank you. NFL MVP Sean Alexander,
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you get your podcast from. But Rob, we are here
for the super Bowl. Sold here, Rob Ge? You got
no jat nothing on your sleeves? Are you cold? I
(28:39):
was herks of being husky that he will never understand.
Chris Bruce han nah, we all got jacket show? Are
you Harry you? Are you a Harry guy? I don't think,
sir over you. I mean I have hair, I have
mad hair, but I don't think I have it on
my back or anywhere that you wouldn't expect it to be.
If he took a shirt off, you would think he
had a chinchillo on his back. There you Alex thank you.
(29:03):
All right, Well, like I said, let's go to the
in nfl um and talk about this Super Bowl and
rob a lot of was it Sean mcvain that came out?
Who was it? If? Itsive coordinator for the RAM said
they want to win this Super Bowl for Aaron Donald.
(29:24):
Aaron Donald that said, of all the things he's done,
he's obviously accomplished just about everything you could accept winnings.
He's talking about it. Rob a lot like you know,
like a quarterback wood where we obviously we we judge
quarterbacks very much by super Bowls. We don't tend to
do that with most other positions, if any other positions,
(29:46):
not not any position. Running backs you certainly don't. Receivers,
you don't. It's nice to get rings, of course, but yeah,
you want to be on a team that went. But
it ain't like, oh yeah, so and so he's running
back he had three rings. Nobody said that. I don't
know how many rings, uh um, frank o' harris won.
I don't. But I'm just saying, right, right, but I'm
(30:09):
just saying like that, ain't that ain't fixed into my
head about frank O Harris? Right, Yeah, it just doesn't
it doesn't. You're not gonna put frank o' harris ahead
of Ojason because never won, right, right, So we're Barry
Sanders for that matter. Um, but what do you think
of this? I mean, he is a defensive player, one
of the best, most would say the best of this generation.
(30:33):
Do you think it will enhance his legacy or anything?
Not at all? Not at all, Not at all. Wow.
I just don't think that we look at defensive players
that way. I really don't, Chris. I hate to break
it to him, but if they win the Super Bowl,
they'll probably give the MVP to Matthew Stafford, not to him. Uh,
(30:54):
they've been great defensive does just about anything. He'll win
the Super Stafford, Yeah, just about problem other than throwing
twe picks and they win, you know what I mean?
Like for real? Uh, they've been great defensive performance. As
we talked about it before, even last year, Chris. They
shut out Patrick Mahomes. Lady got no points in the
Super Bowl. Nobody on the defense got any any prize,
(31:17):
nobody got anything. They won, They scored points. Brady was
the MVP. They shut Patrick mahomes out. They got nothing
for that. Nobody unless you get you know, I mean,
you could give it to the defense, but but you know,
even even an individual even in uh, I'm just saying, like,
normally that's just not unless it's a game deciding play.
(31:39):
Who was the guy for the Raiders? Uh? No? Was
it Larry Brown? Rob G? Who am I thinking of?
When when the Steelers played in the Super Bowl? Guy
got to two interceptions against the Steels? I thought it
was did he get an MVP? Yeah? He did, and
he got he was he was like a dB. He
got two interceptions? Looking up, Larry Brown was his name?
(32:00):
He got rob G? He got uh two interceptions one
the MVP, got a big contract the next year for
another team, and was out of the league three years later.
Am I right? Yeah? Who was that Larry Brown? Super
Bowl thirty? Who was Super Bowl MVP? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
(32:20):
right way back? He had two interceptions. He wasn't a
big name player. He had three interceptions, two in the
second half, right, and he got the MVP. But normally
that's not how it goes. Was it was he with
the Raiders? Who was he with Cowboys and they were
playing Pittsburgh? And then he signed with the Raiders, got
that fat deal. That's why I knew the Raiders were involved.
(32:40):
He got a big deal after that, Chris. But normally
we don't look at defensive players. When I think of
Lawrence Taylor, Lawrence Taylor won two championships, I'll never bring
that up with him. I think of what he did
defensively and how he uh you know, reshaped how the
importance of that position, how people started drafting players to
(33:01):
go up against him, right, to block him, and to
try to protect a quarterback. So I don't look at
lawns Taylor go he won two championship with the Giants.
I know he did, but I don't put that on
his record. I think defensive players are different. I tend
to agree with you. So for the most part, like
we started off the conversation, yeah, we don't tend to
judge any other position by that. But what I will
(33:24):
say is this rob most of the other legendary defensive players,
not Hall of famers. I'm talking about the guys that
are the elite of the league. The elite Ray Lewis,
Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Ronnie Lott, Mike Singletary, the mean
(33:48):
Joe Green, like the guys that we think of, like
we think of Aaron Down, the Lawrence Taylor. To your point,
they most of them, not every single one, but most
of them did win Super Bowls, and I maybe that's
why we think of them as more legendary. You're right,
(34:09):
we don't name oh Nornce Taylor got two, Ray Lewis,
what do you get one? You know, like like, we
don't say it like that, But do we think of
Mike Singletary maybe a little more than Brian Erlacker because
Singletary did play on that great defense in Chicago that
(34:30):
won the Super Bowl? You know, so I think that matters.
I'm with you in that it's not like quarterbacks. But
as I began to think about this, I was like,
you know what the guys that Dion saying the defensive
there aren't something. The one, the biggest one I can
think of that didn't is Bruce Smith, Okay bowl. Reggie
(34:54):
White won the Super Bowl like most and again I
know there's a few out there. Jack young Blood with
the Rams, he never won a Super Bowl. J. J.
Watt obviously has, and I think with JJ a lot
of it. We will think of John, but I think
(35:14):
most of the ones just do we talk about John
Randall is great and he was awesome, But do we
talk about him like we talk about Reggie White? Do
we talk about uh Junior say how like we talk
about he was? But do we talk about him like
we talk about ray Lewis. I think that when you
(35:38):
win a super Bowl it does Mate. I don't know
if it raises you in stature a little or all.
Most of the guys at that level did win, and
again you're right, there's some so so if they lose, No,
if Joe Burrow throws four touchdown and they beat the Rams, right,
(36:02):
no one's gonna say, oh, you know, uh uh Aaron
Donald lost the Super Bowl or he couldn't he couldn't
stop Joe Burrow, Like, it won't be on him. That's
why I don't think he gets the credit. I think
there will be something like if they only sacked Burrow
once you think that, I look, nobody's gonna say Aaron
Donald is not this awesome guy. But we will say
(36:25):
you couldn't get that that paper machete offensive line and
you're you're the best player. You couldn't get to the
quarterbright right, I'm the man. But I don't think that
he would get if they lose and and Burrow has
a great day or whatever. I just don't think people
are gonna hold it against them. I think somewhere it
won't be like a quarterback stuff for those two picks
(36:51):
pay right. But I think the people that really, you know,
beyond the casual fan, the guys that are really breaking
down the game, will say, man, they couldn't get to
the quarterback. And we thought the Rams were gonna that
was a huge advantage for them, and they couldn't get
to the quarterback. You know. So I heard a few
weeks ago. I don't know if it was Tony Romo,
(37:11):
but there was one of the Rams games and the
commentator was saying, you know, one name we haven't mentioned
this whole first half is Aaron Donald. Like, so I do,
I hear you? And I obviously nobody gets championship comparisons
like quarterbacks. But as I was thinking about it, ROB
so many of the all time elite of the elite
(37:34):
defensive players that we talk about, not every single one,
but most of them did win Super Bowls, and it
does I think it does seal their legacy. I just
think that when people think of them, it's not that
I'm not saying that having a Super Bowl hurt you
or anything. It doesn't. But I don't think that if
you were still I don't think anybody will say Aaron
(37:57):
Donald wasn't a awesome uh no defense, one of the
greatest or whatever, but he didn't win a Super Bowl
like like, I just don't think and I'm not saying
that winning okay, but comparing and comparing him and Reggie White,
do super bowls come into play? I don't think so.
(38:18):
Do you think not? At that Reggie White one, I
don't know he won one, Okay, with the Green Bands
of free Agent h No, I know they won Chris,
But I don't think that. I don't think that's going
to be a demerit against Aaron Donald when when you
start the lot, you know, stack him up and you'll
just be like, he was one of the great defensive
players we ever saw. But I think you also think
(38:39):
of many of the great defensive players were associated with
a great defense. We think of the Ravens in the
early two thousand, which was an unbelievable Lewis was the
hub and you know, and that and that one we
take it away from the quarterback. That's the that's the one. Yeah,
they that offen that you do it where you go.
(39:01):
Anybody could have been a quarterback on that team. Just
don't make a bad pick or you know, throw the
ball away like and that's the thing. Like even with
Singletary and the eighty five Bears, they had Jim McMahon's
a quarterback, it wasn't great. No Curtain got a lot
of love, and Bradshaw got a lot of love. That's
one where it kind of both sides. But the Steve
(39:24):
Curtain was you know, everybody was praising him. And we
talked about the Bears before. It's probably one of the
only times, or its probably could have happened before. But
when they the defense, if you remember, Buddy Ryan was
the architect of that defense and the defensive coordinator, and
they carried him off the field and the offense carried
(39:45):
Mike Dicket off the field, it was unbelievable. Like that's
how big of a part that defense was, right,
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