Aaron Torres and Jason Martin talk Deshaun Watson and Vin Scully!

Aaron Torres and Jason Martin talk about Deshaun Watson’s suspension, are joined by Fansided’s Matt Verderame to talk all things NFL, the guys remember Vin Scully and talk about the MLB trade deadline, reacting to some sour grapes from Alabama HC Nick Saban, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in everybody, Fox
Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday, Aaron Torres, Jason Martin, Jason,
back from whatever you worldwide? What was it w w
E you had last week at the Nissan Stadium? Is
that correct, Jason Martin? How you doing doing well? Doing well?

(00:24):
It was? Yes, it was a wrestling field weekend last week,
and so yes, I was at Nissan Stadium at this
point last week. A matter of fact, I was not
home until after our show would have ended, because I
sat motionless in a parking garage for over two hours.
Literally my wheels didn't roll until well like two and
a half hours after that show ended. So I didn't
get home until newly two am my time. Uh So

(00:47):
it was quite a night, but it was a good time.
Spent some time with some of the listeners here from
the show I do on Fox Sports Radio affiliate w
gf X here in Nashville. Uh and now back and
back until the Florida Tennessee. You can when I'm gonna
be in Knoxville, but that's a while away. So we
got we We finally had the band back together. Band
is back together, hopefully, you know, maybe turn on w

(01:09):
g f X over there in Nashville. Lists and already
Spanner a little bit with me last Saturday. But it's
good to have you back. And I'll say this, Um,
you know, I know, I I know, I've said quite
a bit this summer, like, oh man, We've got a
lot to talk about. But this is the first week
where it feels like four hours might not be enough
to cover everything that has happened since the last time

(01:30):
that we came on air. Now, nothing pressing, nothing that
has really happened in the last you know, couple hours.
So that allows us to kind of reflect back on
the week that was. And and yeah, we'll be talking
a little you know, psychedelic drugs and uh, you know,
some some other things of that nature. Uh, you know,
I want to talk. I want to start with a
topic that, unfortunately is I guess a little more serious

(01:51):
than that, uh and not as good natured. And it
is the Deshaun Watson stuff. I mean, the last time
that you and I talked about it, Jason, it was
interesting because I thought out to you this week, Um,
you know you you kind of said, and I agreed
with you. Um, you know, we need the ruling because
It's one it's just exhausting talking about it, but too,

(02:11):
it's not a fun topic to continue to revisit over
and over and over again for obvious reasons, uh, you know,
out of respect to the accusers and all that stuff. Well,
this week we got quite a bit since I was
last on air with Arnie on Saturday. Um, you know,
we not only got the decision by Sue Robinson the
six game suspension. She puts out a sixteen page report.
Uh you know that, frankly, and we can get into

(02:33):
some of the details here over the next couple of minutes. Uh,
did not cast Deshaun Watson in a good light. Uh.
You know, Monday was not vindication for Deshaun Watson. It
didn't make anybody feel good. Uh. And apparently the NFL agreed,
because they obviously on Wednesday announced that they would be
appealing the suspension. The reports are that they want upwards

(02:53):
of and and well really they want an indefinite suspension,
uh minimum of a year, which is something that I
think you and I have talked about quite a bit.
But but it's been a quite a few days. But
but obviously, you know, take to Shaun Watson wherever you
want because we did get the verdict. Um, you know,
and I'll just say, and we'll throw it over to you.
I you can't. You can't read the report and feel

(03:15):
good about Deshaun Watson being an NFL quarterback any time
in the near future. For people who don't know, he
essentially got the six game suspension on a technicality because
it was a non violent offense. He was a first
time offender. But Sue Robinson very much confirmed that at
the very least, he put a couple of women in
some really uncomfortable situations, and that, excuse me. At the

(03:37):
very best, he put a couple of women on some
very uncomfortable situations, and likely it was probably much much
worse than that. So I hate the idea that she
used the term non violent because I just think that
is inappropriate quite frankly, because violence can be defined in
a number of different ways. I would say, Aaron, you
tell me whether or not you're with me on this.

(03:59):
I feel like traumatizing another human being is another way
to engage in violence. I don't think you have to
hit somebody in the face. I think there is a
such thing as psychological torture, and I think that's where
we need to. I think that's the first thing that
came to mind when I saw non violent. I just
kind of rolled my eyes, like, come on, man, so
so you had to hit her in order for you

(04:20):
to go higher than six well, and to jump in
really quick. In her report, we found out that that
all four women that that were interviewed by the NFL
refused to work with Deshaun Watson again. A couple of
them have considered getting out of the field altogether. Uh,
and all four have have basically sought, you know, therapy,
you know, mental health checks, things like that. So to

(04:43):
answer your question, and I'll toss it right back to you,
I am very much in agreement with you, and I thought, honestly,
and I saw and I don't want to put words
anybody else's mouth, but I saw Fox Sports Radio legal
analysts Amy Dash essentially say exactly what you just said
is that, uh, it's weird that that is somehow uh,
basically exactly what you just said, that that it's considered

(05:04):
non violent. And and he was kind of given a
lighter punishment because there was no um, you know, literal
violence to to a person. To the four women that
were interviewed as opposed to obviously the mental strain that
he's put all of them through. Yeah, I mean the
psychological side of this and just the uncomfortable nature. And
again I go back to Jenny Vrentis is kind of

(05:25):
the the big bombshell from less than two months ago
where we heard about sixty six women and all this
other stuff. That's when you find out, yeah, there were
women that did not join the lawsuit, that their names
were never revealed. That went to Vrents. One in particular,
didn't want a family to know all this kind of stuff.
That doesn't sound like somebody who uh just just had

(05:45):
a had a bad experience. That's somebody that had something
far worse than that, that feels some level of guilt,
all of that kind of stuff, because that's the other
part of the victimology and all of this. So that
was the first thing that I thought of. The second
thing was her ruling seemed to be based entirely on precedent,
And I rolled my eyes again, because precedent's got to
stop being away to be lazy about doing things that

(06:09):
need to be done. If precedent was always the reality,
if that was, oh well, it's precedent, We gotta do that.
Think about the horrible things that finally changed because it
was time to evolve when new information comes through. Okay,
so so at some point I think six games is
not enough. That's what you've given in the past. That

(06:31):
doesn't necessarily mean it's what you need to give in
the future. And you can't just say well, because we
did this in the past and we gotta do it now. No, No,
you really don't like that's not that's not a thing
like circumstances dictated something different. I looked at all of
the things that that Goodell has been a part of,
all the investigations, a lot of number four games, six games,
and of course there's weed and twenty five games to

(06:52):
Josh Gordon and indefinite to Martavis Brian and all this stuff.
But I know those are different. I know this are
collectively bargained, and I get all of that. I just think,
relying on precedent and nonviolent I immediately just said one
not enough. Nobody, nobody believes that this is enough, at
least nobody that I know. I believe this is enough.

(07:13):
And to the NFL has no choice but to appeal this.
They cannot just say, well, you know that's what we
agreed upon, and its independent arbiter. Uh. They get called
with their pants down because she didn't do what they
thought that she was going to do. And apparently, if
you read from Yahoo Sports Aaron, UH, they've known for
about a month. She said in the room with them, Hey,

(07:35):
you know this is likely not going to be what
you think it's gonna be. They basically knew that this
was not going to give them what they wanted, so
they had to step in. I don't care what the
nfl PA thinks, I don't care about all of those things.
You have to find a way to get this right,
and in my opinion, she did not, So I agree
on everything. First of all, it's funny. It's not funny,

(07:55):
but it's interesting you mentioned precedent because, UM, you know,
we can criticize dri Goodell for a lot of things,
but you know very much. Um, we found out in
her written report that they did expect more. And I
don't think it goes without saying that Roger Goodell would
have given a muxtu much stricter punishment if he had
an outsourced this punishment. Um. But part of the reason

(08:18):
why she struggled to uh, you know, kind of come
to this conclusion was essentially because you know, the NFL
basically argued, uh, you know, with her that this is why,
you know, this is why we shouldn't have baseline minimums
or whatever, because you can't put everything into a box

(08:38):
of this is this, this is And so even the
NFL kind of acknowledged, you know, in their dealings with
Sue Robinson of like, this is unprecedented. And because it's unprecedented,
you can't go by the by laws that we have
had in the past. And so you know, that's one thing.
And I know in the grand scheme, I don't think
it really matters. And I'm not here to like defend
Roger Goodell. Some of his uh previous punishments have been

(09:01):
kind of inexcusable, and there's a reason that he and
and kind of the NFL decided to to kind of
bring in an independent arbiter here. But I saw a
lot of anti Roger Goodell stuff on Monday and Tuesday,
And on the one hand, I get it right, like
this is why you bring in an outside investigator. But
to you know, if Roger Goodell in the NFL had

(09:21):
been in charge of this, I think it's safe to
say that we're looking at a one year suspension minimum.
And by the way, this goes back to a lot
of what we've already talked about over the last two
or three four weeks. Um the reason that I think
they want a minimum of a one year suspension, I
think you know, one, it publicly quote unquote looks good,
and I think you and I both agree that, like,
it doesn't really matter what's publicly looking good. It's about

(09:41):
what's right and wrong. I don't think that it's impossible
to assume that we could get more. And I believe
in correct me if I'm wrong, that there is still
one civil case pending. Yes, and so, like you know,
I think that's part of why. And I know I
just went in a bunch of different directions there, but
I think that's part of they want the one year
suspension minimum is yes, because six games is not enough.

(10:05):
I mean, you know, I understand the whole innocent until
proven guilty, that there were no criminal charges brought against
the Shawn Watson. I think everybody feels uncomfortable with this
guy only getting six games, let alone just being able
to represent an NFL team on the field on Sundays.
But then to take it a step further. UM, you know,
I think the NFL is very much in the position
of what you and I have talked about for weeks

(10:26):
now is there is still one civil case going Um,
and I don't think it's it's impossible based on the
behavior that we now know. This isn't speculation, this isn't innuendo.
This came from a an NFL report, you know, uh,
witnesses with four people. Um, it wouldn't surprise me if
more came out because Uh, it's just a it's just

(10:46):
a weird, bizarre, you know whatever situation. Uh. And that
for people who don't know. That's why I think the
NFL wants the minimum of one year, not just because
a quote unquote looks better. But I don't think that
they believe that that it's impossible that something else comes out.
I think there's another part of this also. I think
everything you just said is accurate, but I also would
include this, what is the deterrent for the next Cleveland

(11:09):
Browns not to make this decision because if it's a
six game decision. I hate to say it, but most
fans to three years from now, if you get a
Super Bowl out of this, they're going to be happy
with the decision. They're gonna be happy with the move.
If a team understood going in that this is gonna

(11:29):
be a six game suspension, even in eight game suspension,
but that you were going to have this dude in
the prime of his career for a full on contract
with you. It shows two things. One, the basically infinite
importance of a franchise level quarterback to an organization in
the National Football League. In two, which is something we've
all discussed on every radio show across the country for

(11:52):
a few years, is it's never been more important to
have that guy than it is right now. But secondarily,
if it's six games, there's gonna be a lot of
other teams that are gonna make the same kind of bet.
They're gonna bet that the NFL is gonna come back
and give a six games suspension, and that's a slap
on the wrist. And yeah, this might not look good,
but yeah, that Lombardi Trophy is gonna look real good
to all these fans that have never seen one since

(12:15):
the Browns have existed, or certainly since this iteration of
them have And they finally get a quarterback, which since
they decided to toss Baker Mayfield onto the scrap pile
of history, they haven't. They they're acting like they've never
had one before, and I guess they haven't since cos Are.
But I think that's the other thing is the NFL
needs other teams to at least stop and halt and

(12:35):
not guarantee money to a alleged scumbag that's got this
kind of stuff hanging over his head. The fact that
red flags didn't deter the Browns and then the punishment
comes back and it's so light, then if I'm an owner,
if I've got any kind of moral issue at all
in terms of I'm not a pure which means everybody,

(12:56):
then you're gonna have more guys with red flags being
green lighted and given more money up front because of
this penalty not really hitting anybody. It didn't hit the Browns,
it didn't hit the Seawan, it didn't hit their money.
It was nothing to me. That's the other side of this.
It's a lot of layers to it, layers that will
discuss here over the next four hours um and certainly

(13:20):
not not the last that we've heard of this with
the NFL now in the midst of an appeal. UH.
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those pesky little comments that Aaron Rodgers dropped the other day. Also, Jason,
I'll say this, I thought those pesky little comments that

(13:41):
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you get your podcasts. Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio,
Aaron Torres, Jason Martin here on a Saturday night. We're
gonna get to Matt verd HM in a minute, but
before we do, uh, it's the audio that has shaken

(14:46):
up really, I mean, the NFL, the internet. Uh. Here
is Aaron Rodgers talking about a lot of different things
on the Aubrey Marcus Podcast earlier this week. It was
a very deep and meaningful a couple of nights, uh ceremony,
and I came back and knew that I was never
going to be the same. And like you said, it
doesn't you don't do that and then not for me.

(15:08):
I didn't do that and think, oh, I've never played
football again. No, it it gave me a deep and
meaningful appreciation for life. I really feel like that set
me on my course to be able to go back
in to my job and have a different perspective on things,
and then to be way more free at work as

(15:29):
a leader, as a teammate, as a friend, as a lover.
And I really feel like that experience paved the way
for me to have the best season in my career.
That was Aaron Rodgers on the Aubrey Marcus Podcast. And
with that we are going to bring in Matt verde Ram,
national NFL reporter at fans sided host of the Stacking
the Box Box podcast. Matt, Uh, you know there are

(15:53):
moments in life that we all remember, you know, wedding day,
birth of our children. Where were you when you first
learned earned of Aaron Rodgers talking about psychedelic drugs? Um,
you know him being a great lover all that good stuff.
Where were you met when you first heard this audio?
Nowhere I remember, but it sounds really special for him,

(16:14):
and so kudos. Look, apparently it's working. He's playing great football.
He just got an unbelievable contract extension. He's won two
m vps in a row. So whatever's working for him,
more power to him. But this, uh, that's not the
stock answer that you get from an NFL quarterback, So
I guess in that regard, Um, I appreciate his his

(16:36):
honesty and his experience because it's given us all something
to talked about here over the song, Hey, Matt, can
he potentially have another one of those experiences in late
December so he doesn't crap the bed again in January
the way that he has for the last seven or
eight years. Takers, fans are open. So um, you know
it's it's weird because you know the ticker's he's had

(16:59):
a quarterback before win three straight MVPs. We saw Brett
far through in the nineties. But that coincide there with
two trips to the Super Bowl and a super Bowl victory.
Obviously the Packers has not even gotten to the super
Bowl in these confusions with Rogers, So you know, he's
done everything individual you can do. He has won a
super Bowl. He did do it over a decades ago.

(17:19):
Now do you look at them and say, yeah, I
mean anything less than them getting to and really winning
a Super Bowl, he's a failure. Even with the Vonte
Adams in Las Vegas. Um, to look at the NFC,
it is not the more thounton conference by any stretch. Yeah,
it's time for them to take the next step. But

(17:40):
it's been time. Let's face it, They're overdue, and if
they don't do it, no matter how many games they
win between September and the beginning of down or Right,
it's a failure. Matt verd Ram joining US national NFL
reporter Fansided dot com host of the Stacking the Box podcast,
Matt just last Daron Rodgers question for me will move
to some other stuff. What is in your personal experiences

(18:00):
around him? Are certainly people you know around the league?
Is this just who he is? I mean it certainly
as he's gotten later in his career, has cared less
about what other people think. And you know, we don't
need to get into everything that happened last year with
the vaccine, with this, with that. But it seems as
though he's just his own dude. Uh. He performs, you
know on Saturdays or Sunday's excuse me, he gets the job.
Is he just a different cat that sees things differently?

(18:23):
I mean, what are the people that you know around
the league have to say about him personally one on one? Yeah?
I mean I don't think you hear these bad guy right,
He's just he's different, He's unique. He's a little bit
of electic um. I think the general thought on him.
His look. He shows up on Sundays and he dominates.
He's not a guy who's gonna be necessarily a problem

(18:44):
in the room. He may not be a conformist, he
may not be somebody who you look at and say
he's he's gonna be just an average joe one of
the guys. I don't think that's going to be the case. Um,
But you don't hear anything bad of that. There are
certain guys in the league that absolutely behind the scenes
when you're talking to people in the league, don't hear that.

(19:05):
You know that guy is a problem in the locker room.
That guy's a bad dude, at least in my experience.
I've never heard that about Aaron Rodgers. Um, but he
definitely is unique and he I think, as you put it,
he doesn't care what other people think. He does what
he wants and Hey, to his credit from an NFL

(19:25):
from a a football perspective, he's had an unbelievable career
and so it's worked out for him. Matt Um, the
Packers are pretty loaded in terms of a roster except
a wide receiver. If you go through and you look
at all the teams last year in the playoffs or
teams that have played well, it's usually been a great
young quarterback to go with an excellent wide receiver. One.

(19:46):
I can't wait to see both Kansas City and Green
Bay this year because they made bets, and a lot
of the good teams seem to make those bests. I
didn't pay necessarily that wide receiver the huge money he
was expecting. But you lose a guy like Davante Adams,
who has been maybe the best receiver in football over
the last half decade, that's gonna change you. He's made Jordy.

(20:06):
I understand what Jordy did there. I understand what Davantae
Adams has done there. Who's the dude that he's going
to be throwing to that he's going to try and
you know, elevate with this year because I'm not I'm
not exactly bullish on their offense just because of that. No,
it's a fair point. Look to answer the initial question,
I don't know who that guy is gonna be. The's
gonna be Kristal Wounson. Is it gonna be Romeo Dobbs.

(20:28):
Two guys that they drafted, uh this year. Dobbs in
the middle rounds watching in the second round out of
North Dakota State. I like Dobbs a lot. I saw
him the senior I saw both those guys at the
senior ball actually, but I really liked from Dobbs that
and he's gotten ready for the camp. But you're asking
a mid round receiver to come in just be great.
I mean that that is not something that ifitally happened,

(20:49):
so but I think it's gonna be a committee thing.
But if the Packers are going to challenge for a
Super Bowl, they're gonna have to be different this year.
There's goose two ways. They're gonna have to to be much
better defense of the league on a consistent level. They
were good in the playoff flush. The defense is great
against the nine is they just they couldn't score. But
that's the defense. I believe at seven first round picks

(21:11):
that that defense has to be top five at the
worst top ten. They've got the ob run the heck
out of the ball. I'll tell you what. More concerning
to me than the receiver is the continued injury issue
with David Boxieri to be healthy and he has played
one half of football in the last eighteen months. If

(21:31):
Batari is not there and he can't play, that is
a huge problem for the Packers, I think, more so
than even their issue at receiver, which we all see
they right now are barreast of any proven top fear
talent at that position. Matt Verdam joining US National NFL
writer fans side It also hosted the Stacking the Box podcast,

(21:54):
let's kind of switch gears. Um, you know, Matthew Stafford
a little little buzz this week about a little ingering
elbow thing. Uh. It seemed as though that, you know,
reports out of even practicing as recently as today say
that doesn't look like it's a big deal. But have
you heard anything that should concern anyone as we head
into the season. No. I think it's something a monitor

(22:16):
you know. Um, anytime a quarterback has pain in his
throwing elbow, especially a guy who four years old, he
just came off the year where he played all the
way through the season, went right to the super Bowl,
something obviously he's never done before in his career. That matters.
I think it's worth monitoring. And and you know, is
it something that looked in a couple of weeks calmed

(22:37):
down and it's fine. Maybe he had to get an
injection in the elbow. That's significant. He hasn't thrown in
team drills, that's significant. Based off of the way McVeigh
has utilized his personnel and past years in the preseason,
I would not think we're gonna choo Stafford grow pass
until they opened the season and we want to get
in Buffalo on Thursday night, So it doesn't matter. Do

(23:00):
I think all of a sudden he's just gonna fall
off a cliff because of this doesn't sound like it.
But what does this look like some week ten week?
To Levin? Is he okay? Is his elbow barking? Do
they have to shut him down for a couple of weeks?
You know? Right now my concern level is not a
really high, but I do think it's something that you
do watch throughout the course of the year to see

(23:21):
if that goes away or if it becomes a recurring
problem that it has to be managed throughout the week
each week. What's your sense, Matt of Trey Lance. I
know what the forty Niners are saying, and I know
that they've handed the keys to him. I haven't seen
that guy play enough football, and I don't feel comfortable
yet in really assessing anything about him other than I'm
a little concerned if I'm a Niners fan. But what

(23:42):
are you thinking right now about Lance? I think that
they are going to have to insulate him early on
in the season. The talents there and in perfect raw ability,
but Rome also isn't where you could use for just
his overall skill set at this point thrown a hundred
two combined passes I believe over the past two years

(24:05):
between college and pro. I mean that is that is nothing.
That's two games or some guys. You are talking about
somebody who's gonna be coming in and that team has
Super Bowl eductations. I don't think any players under more
pressure in the NFL or across the entirely the tray Lances.
Maybe you want to argue Killa majn Orgue, Russell, Wilsell,

(24:26):
and Wilson's got a ring. I don't think he balls
in that category. But if Lance isn't good, they are
going to struggle. You don't win in this league with
a bad quarterback. If he's really good, they could win
a Super Bowl. Like I think early on, they're gonna
have to try to, frankly, do a lot of what
they did in GAP, which just say the short passing
game on the ball, play action, win with some defense,

(24:48):
and then as the year goes on, expand the playbook.
But to expect the kid to come in who's coming
from a small college, who has not played a lot
of football in years, almost three years by the time
he shoots up week one against the Bears to just
come out and start winging it. I think he's aggressive.
They're going to have to try to just scoon feed

(25:10):
him into this for a little bit and get his
feet wet, and if that happens, great. I I expect
earlier that it's gonna be uneven because he just hasn't
played a lot. He's Matt verd Ram, National NFL reporter
fans Sided dot Com, also the host of the Stacking
the Box podcast. Always busy this time of year, Matt,
we know how busy you are. Thank you for joining us.
Have a great evening. Thank you, Matt. Matt verder Ram,

(25:36):
I had a lot of interesting stuff to say. I
actually want to hit on that Trey Lance question Jason
because it is something that I am absolutely fascinated with.
That was Matt verder Ram, National NFL reporter fans Sided
dot Com. Also make sure to download the Stacking the
Box podcast. We'll discuss what he said, Jason and Trey
Lance will discuss some other stuff that Matt verd Ram
just said. But for the first time this evening, Steve

(25:58):
d Sega, what's up man, Hello, j little minut. Let's
start with the NFL as Brown's running back Kareem Hunt
is reportedly skipping team drills unhappy with his contract. He
is expected to be fined. Buck's quarterback Tom Brady returned
to practice. He was excused from the last two. Tampa
Bay wide receiver Mike Evans is day to day with
the hamstring issue he suffered yesterday, said to be minor.

(26:19):
Quarterback Mitchell Trabinsky is number one on the Steelers depth chart,
Mason Rudolph number two. Linebacker Kiko Alonso retired. He had
just signed with New Orleans Cardinals. Quarterback Kyler Murray returned
to practice today after having COVID. The Carolina Panthers won't
choose their starting quarterback until after the second preseason game.
They have Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald. There are four

(26:39):
NASCAR races left in the regular season, including Sunday's four
hundred at Michigan. Bubba Wallace earned the poll for tomorrow,
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Five ball games still going in the major leagues. The Padres,
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Steve Sagred, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday, Aaron Torres,
Jason Martin here on a Saturday Night. Great stuff from
Matt verd Ram and Jason. It's you know, we did
it again, man. You you led right into where I
wanted to go next. And I thought Matt gave a
very interesting quote. So the Trey Lance thing is is
really interesting to me because I feel like, you know,

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I I just think because he was a top five pick,
and because it's been accepted for like a year that
that Jimmy Garoppolo was not coming back this year. I
think it's getting completely brushed under the rug, like they
just gave away a quarterback and they haven't given away
still technically there, but they are clearly pushing aside. A

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quarterback that took them to a Super Bowl, was one
throw away from from winning them a Super Bowl, was
one defensive stop maybe be from winning them a super Bowl,
then gets them back to the NFC Championship game again
next year, last year, and they're just giving up that
they're giving up on them because they got a young
guy on a rookie contract that they got to figure
out if it works. And it feels to me like

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everyone has just accepted this. It's kind of crazy to
me that they just gave up on Jimmy G. And
and we've talked to enough about Jimmy G. But Matt
vern Ram said, and I agree, like you talk about
a guy that that, you know, I don't know if
it's the most pressure that that was what Matt said,
but like this guy. They have a roster to win
the super Bowl right now, and they had a quarterback

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that clearly could get them there, and they pushed him
aside to get this guy in. I think this is
a fascinating story. And I don't want to say it's
like under discuss because we've we've discussed it on all
these air waves and everything. But I don't know, I
don't know. I just find it to be a fascinating
deal that we all just kind of accept. Well, you know,
you draft a gun in the top five, you gotta
get rid of the other guy. I find it fascinating.

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I find it incredible, and I think to your questioning
and to Matt's answer, it's far from a certainty that
this guy is gonna be the answer in San Francisco.
I think we will be talking about it a heck
of a lot if it doesn't work. Um. I agree
with the top five point. I also just feel like
the only reason you let Jimmy G go in this case, well,

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there's two. One. He has had health concerns, and you've
heard from people close to the forty niners that they
really like Jimmy G. But he has been banged up
a lot. Now, he's been a warrior about and he's
played and he's apparently a great teammate. Everybody likes playing
with him, all of those things. But I think there's
a secondary part of this, and I think there are
other teams in this league that have similar issues. I

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think maybe one of them resides right here in the
city I'm in in Nashville. I think you've got Kirk Cousins.
I think maybe you've even got Dak Prescott. You've got
a group of guys that are that you could even
at times say are really good, but at other times
you're not quite sure. And I think that that it
comes down to this, do the Niners look at a

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super Bowl like roster, which is what they've got, right,
They've got when the great play callers in modern football
in Kyle Shanahan. They've got Kittle, who maybe is the
best tight end in the league. They've got Debot who
they were able to pay mainly because they know the
twenty six million dollars is coming off that Jimmy g
they're not going to be paying by Week one. They've

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got Fred Warner, They've got talent absolutely everywhere. But how
perfect does it all have to be around your quarterback
for you to win a Super Bowl? There are guys
that create margins for error, like a Patrick Mahomes, like
a Josh Allen, who by the way, has never made
a Super Bowl, um like a Borough that there are
guys that can overcome that kind of thing. And then
there are quarterbacks who are excellent caretakers when things are right.

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And how right do you have to be if you're
the Niners, Like you made it to the NFC title
game and then there was Garoppolo to not play particularly
well in the second half of that game. Now you
also had a drop the interception in there you have
some other things that you can point to, but I
think at some point you're just like, can it be
better than this? Is there a ceiling where we can
see in this moment? The problem is And I'm not

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gonna say he's a failure or he's gonna be a failure.
I don't know what Trey Lance is. None of us do.
I mean that dude didn't play much, As Vernon said,
he hadn't played much in the last couple of years,
dating back to what he did in college, his last
year when he didn't play, and then came last year,
of course, and he played very sparingly. I don't know,
like he might turn out to be the second coming

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of you know, Joe Montana or Steve Young or whatever.
We have no idea, but they are making a giant,
gantning bet on him, and I do think part of
it is just, gosh, we've given Jimmy so much and
he hasn't been able to get us where we think
we need to go, and so he began And maybe
that's gonna be a bad bet by them, but I
have to think that's part of this is just we've

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got everything for him and he still hasn't been able
to get us there. We got a rookie guy on
a rookie contract. That's that's the dream right now in
the NFL is to have Justin Herbert before you have
to pay him, to have Joe Burrow before you have
to pay him. If you're New England, you hope Mac
Jones hits you, hope Sever Lawrence hits you hit. You
hope that you have a rookie quarterback so that you
can then spend money elsewhere to go for a championship

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at that moment. And so if you've got Trey Lance
in year two, you better put him out there and
see what you've got with him, even if you ended
up making the wrong bet on this. If you don't
think that Garoppolo is getting you to the promised Land,
I have some thoughts on what you just said about
Trey Lance about the forty Niners. We're going to continue
this conversation next. Also some interesting stuff out of Patriots

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camp which you just brought up. Mac Jones will discussed
that as well. Aerators Jason Martin here on a Saturday
night Fox Sports Radio, Welcome Back Everybody, Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports Saturday. Aara towards Jason Martin here on a
Saturday night. As I just said, it is Fox Sports Saturday,
so of course it would make sense that it would
be on a Saturday night. Really quickly on Trey Lance. Jason,

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you know, it was funny because when you were kind
of talking about him um and Jimmy g you know,
Jimmy can he really get you over the hump? Two
things kind of stood out. One. First of all, it
does kind of remind me of, uh, you know, like
in college football, and we talked top of college football.
We'll talk something later in the show when you've had

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the same coach for like six, seven, eight years and
you know that you're gonna be really good, but you're
not really sure if that coach can ever really get
you over the hump. And like that was the guy
that was exactly on my mind when I was making
that analogy. Yes, like like there does come a point.
And it's actually funny because I remember last year before

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the Michigan Ohio State game, I was actually in Vegas
visiting my family and I was, you know, doing what
you do in Vegas, walking through the casino late at night, uh,
and I see a guy in Michigan Gear and of
course Michigan Ohio State play every year on Thanksgiving. And
I remember seeing a guy in Michigan Gear. I said,
you know, well, what if fire Ball los again, He's like,
it's done, it's done. I've seen what I need to see.

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I don't care. And if you remember, at the time,
they hadn't made the playoff, they hadn't won the Big
And he said, if they don't do it this year,
I've seen everything I need to see. I'd rather start
over and take a chance that the next guy is
actually the answer rather than run it back. And so
I think that might be a little bit of where
San Francisco was as an organization. But what I would
also say is that, you know, I think it does

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go back to a few things. One, Uh, if Jimmy
G does complete that deep pass, uh, if the defense
and I always bring up this thing they went into
the fourth quarter, the forty Niners against the Chiefs in
the Super Bowl went into the fourth quarter with a
double digit lead. It's not all on Jimmy G and
so one, you know, if he completes that pass or
if the defense gets that stop, that guy's a Super

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Bowl Champ. Now, obviously that probably means they don't draft
Tree Lance to begin with, but it's amazing how one
play can change everything. And I understand he's had injuries
and everything, but I still go back to I get
the idea that you use the top five pick on
this guy. I get the fact that, as you said,
this is the world that we live in where everybody
is hoping to get a young quarterback on a rookie contract.

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I also go back to her Edwards. Your play to
win the game, and Jimmy G wins you a lot
of games, and it's just crazy to me that everybody
just accepts, well, you know, top five quarterback, rookie contract,
gotta give him a chance. I don't know, Jimmy G
had him a play or two away from getting to
a second Super Bowl and three years last year, uh
and and obviously basically was just given up. So I

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think I've mentioned this before. I can't even remember what
I called it at the time, that I call it
the five ten five, I'm not sure. But in effect,
what I believe is most every quarterback that's on an
NFL roster can make about eight of the place. Generally speaking,
they can make most of the throws, they've done it before,

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they have the arm, talent, they have the strengths and
make most of the place. Then there is a second
tier of guys that can then make maybe the next
ten percent that gets you, and then there's a select
few that can make that last five. Whether it's because
they just have unbelievable touch or because if you're Tom Brady,
you just meticulously get it, like you're just driven in

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a way that just can barely even be quantified, or
you've got an arm like Justin Herbert or something like that,
and you can make all these kind of plays. I
think that the point about Garoppolo being a play away
from a Super Bowl is a good one. But the
difference in that Super Bowl was the Garoppolo didn't make
that play and then Patrick Mahomes proceeded to make one

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on their next possession to Tyree Hill. And I think
that becomes that becomes the kind of line of demarcation
where you look at and you're just like, yeah, he
was real close. But here's the question. I would ask you, Aaron,
you give Jimmy Garoppolo that exact scenario five times, And

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I mean in the Super Bowl, same pressure, same absolute everything.
How many times does he make that play successfully if
you had to try and just in your how how
probable is that play for Jimmy Garoppolo based on what
you've seen from Jimmy Garoppolo in his career in pressure moments.
I know where you're going. Um, yeah, it's it's it's

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not a ton and it speaks to your point? Is
that it speaks to the point I led the segment
with is that at a certain point, you know what
a guy's limitations are and are are not and you
basically are put in a position of do we want
to be just good enough where everything has to break right,
or do we want to take the chance that this
guy is the next guy. So I know where you're going.

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I didn't really answer the question, but yeah, exactly, yeah
you did. I mean generally, I mean, I mean it
what it was one that was. It's not like I
was expecting you to have a perfect answer to the
question in terms of oh, I would say three or five,
like no, not necessarily. The question is is that who
you want in that moment, that moment, not the moments
that got you to that moment. Those are great moments

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and there's a lot of guys that can't make those
plays too. I get all of that. He is very
very good at times, but I have seen enough to
feel I would feel some level of just uncertainty and
insecurity with the ball in his hands in that moment,
in that crucial spot. And if that's how I feel,

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then I'm probably always going to be looking for the
next guy. And I think that explains what San Francisco
has done here, which is, gosh, man, I really like
this guy. He is he is awfully good, but is
he good enough to help us take that step? And
I think that's I think that's the one where you
get the incomplete on the report card, and that's where
you have to go find a different student. Absolutely, And

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for those who missed it, Matt Verderram from Fansided dot
Com was just down. He said he believes that Trey
Lance has more pressure on him than any player in
the NFL this year. I'm not sure that I necessarily disagree.
By the way, maybe it is too because he's a
little bit more established. But to the point that we've
been making here for the last you know, two segments,
the bottom line remains is that this was a team

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that was in position to make a Super Bowl last year,
they gave up on Jimmy Garoppolo. Now bringing in Trey Lance, who, again,
as Matt said, as you and I have discussed on
this show, uh, didn't play played one game his last
year of college, didn't play any meaningful snaps last year. Uh,
and now he is under the fire. This is Fox
Sports Radio eron towards Jason Martin coming up. Switch gears

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to baseball really quick. Obviously the passing of a legend,
but then also maybe the passing of a torch at
the top of the standings. Will discuss next Fox Welcome
in Everybody Hour to Fox Sports Radio eron tourist Jason
Martin here Saturday night. We're taking up till two a m.
Eastern time. Bernie Fratto will obviously be following us. Bernie

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will join us in the one am hour to preview
his show Talk All Things Vegas and and a lot more.
I know one thing that Bernie does want to talk
to us about, very passionate about. Bernie grew up in
the Los Angeles area, was a college baseball player, and
I know he's gonna have a lot to say about
the passing of Vince Scully obviously earlier this week. I
believe it was Wednesday night we got the news. Then

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Scully ninety four years old, iconic broadcaster Jason Martin in
sixty seven years in the booth as the voice of
the both Brooklyn and Los Angeles Dodge. If you need
some context about how long Vince Scully was the the
the play by play voice of the Dodgers, that's all
you need to know. He started his career with the

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team in Brooklyn, came with them to Los Angeles, retired
in and did pass away on Wednesday night. Yeah, I mean,
I'll look forward to that conversation. Obviously I'm not from
Mouth there, but I existed in the sports fan universe
for so long. I grew up watching Vince Scully. I
remember the Kirk Gibson moments just like everybody else does.

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I remember him calling football games, but that Saturday afternoon
game of the week, Um, just, I mean, he was
right there. He was that. He was the guy I
remember watching my grandparents house and just there are some giants,
especially in baseball announcing. I was thinking the three guys
specifically this week. Vin's the top of the list. Dick
Enberg's my favorite sportscaster of all time. Also California in

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terms of what he did baseball and worked for NBC
for a long period time. And Jack buck Um, a
longtime voice that Cardinals did a lot of the World
Series games, famously did the radio call for the worst
sports moment of my life, which was um Twins Braves
games seven, uh in the World Series. So just it's
amazing when you look at some of the longevity as

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some of these guys and what wonderful storytellers they were,
because baseball gives you so much time between pitches. There's
so much downtime that you've got to be good at
it in order not to stick out in the wrong
way like a sore thumb. And then was just a
consummate gentleman, a consummate professional, somebody that you could emulate anything.
Anybody ever said, hey man, you remind me a little

(42:44):
bit of Vince Gully. Anybody that's ever heard that statement, Uh,
that's probably something that you've done really, really well and
should be taken as to highest honor. So it was
sad to see him go, but it was also it's
one of the moments where then you get to go
back and relive a lot of stuff because you've heard
a whole lot of tributes, you've heard a lot of audio,
you've heard a lot of the clips, and that's been
it's been fun to go back and relive, even though

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you would you would hope it was under different circumstances.
But what a life Vince Gully lived. Yeah. Absolutely, And
and you know, I think that was, you know, among
the many things that stood out to me, I mean
that that was certainly One is is we know he
was the voice of the Dodgers. We know he was
on that iconic Kirk Gibson call. Uh. You know, I
knew that he had done some football, But when you
hear him on Hank Aaron's whatever it was, seven hundred

(43:30):
home run, when you hear him, uh, you know obviously,
you know, I think we all kind of knew that
he was the voice of of of you know, gets
through the bag on Buckner, Uh, you know, Mets win,
Mets win. I think we all kind of knew that. Um,
but I don't think that that you know, I don't
think you realize all of the things that he was
a part of until until you go through it. One

(43:52):
quick story. So first, of all. You know, he was
the voice of the Dodgers. And I want to bring
a producer bow in a minute. But when I before,
I do you know one thing that you said jay'son
that stands out to me? Um? You know, I do
think baseball is a little bit different. I was thinking
about this the other day, is that it's no disrespect
people call football, who call whatever. Um, But you know,
football sixteen Sundays a year, you know, seventeen eighteen, You know,

(44:15):
probably what twenty if you include the preseason. Maybe four
if you're lucky and you make a late postseason run.
Major League Baseball is a hundred sixty two nights per year. Um.
And you know I I you know, sometimes when someone passes,
like the stories about them become a little bit hyperbolic.
I don't think it's hyperbolic to say that Vince Scully,

(44:37):
you know, raised children and generations in the city of
Los Angeles. You know my story. I moved here in
twelve and and you know, I just vividly remember, you know,
first few months, you know, you don't really know where
you're going, you know, you you know, kind of one
it was just cool to have the games on in
the background or to have on at the end of
the night to watch. But you know, I vividly remember

(44:57):
myself driving around uh you know, lost Angels probably about
six seven months after I moved here, have the Dodgers
game on, have Vince Scully on in the background, and
it struck me as like, oh, I don't need a
GPS anymore, I don't need maps anymore. Like this is
my home now. And it was really cool. And that
was kind of like my Vince Scully moment in in

(45:17):
you know, my life, of like he was. You know,
that was when I realized, Okay, I'm at home. It's
you know, I'm here, It's all that. But bo I
did want to bring you and bo is a Dodgers
fan host of the Swingshift podcast, which is a Dodgers
main mainly a Dodgers podcast baseball in general. You grew
up in Los Angeles. I mean, I don't think it's
like hyperbolic to say that Vince Scully literally did raise

(45:39):
kids and and make make separate generations. There's there's nothing
you can say about Vince Skull, Like you said, there's
nothing you can say about him that's hyperbolic. Uh, he
was the best at what he does. There's people much
more talented than me that have mentioned all week, Um,
how skilled he was to not only call the games
on the radio but also on the TV at the

(45:59):
same time. Uh, nobody else could do that. And um,
you know, it's it's sad. I I I found out,
you know, like everybody else during the broadcast, and it's
sad but not tragic because he just lived such a
full life. And I think my favorite thing about Vince
Scully is just how uncomplicated he was as a person. Um.

(46:20):
You know, there's no there's no uh controversy to his passing.
There's no like you know, it's you know, Vince Scully
past and there was this, but you know, you forgiven
blah blah blah. There's none of that. It's just it's
just sad because he he meant so much of this
city and he meant so much to Dodger fans. He
meant so much, so much to baseball fans. Um. So

(46:41):
it's it's a tough week, and uh it's nice to
see the outpouring of support and yeah, I think like
last night, you saw what he meant to this city.
To have the entire stadium, you know, let's say it's
time for Dodger baseball, it's it's uh. He's truly one
of the uh the greats, and it's sad to uh
to lose him. I think you had another unique quality
that he had, bo And I think I think a

(47:02):
lot of these guys that like I grew up on
Skip carry and a Braves guy, but everybody has their
guy in baseball. I think it was different than all
the other sports. But another thing that Ben really was
good at is as larger than life as he was,
as important to the story of the Dodgers game that day,
or that season or that era was he always gave

(47:24):
you the impression he was talking directly to you and
your family, Like I don't know how you did both,
like you realized he was calling this for a you know,
a country or for a global audience. But the radio,
to me is best if the person listening on the
other end actually thinks you're speaking to them. And then
had a way when I did get to hear him

(47:44):
call games, whether it was on radio, were certainly watching
TV where I just got the sense that that dude
was having a conversation with me and he wanted me
to know what was happening in this baseball game, and
he wanted me to know the background of Eric Carrolls
or whoever it might have been in that moment. And
I thought that was that was a unique skill set
for somebody that was doing such a grand job at
such a high level to also be able to compartmentalize

(48:07):
it enough to where I felt like he was speaking
personally to me as a sports fan and that he
cared about my knowledge of the game, And that to
me is one of the lasting legacies that he leaves. Also, yeah,
there was there was truly nobody better. I mean, you
can say that about almost anything about Vince Gully, but
there was nobody that was better at, you know, telling
you a story and you know, in the middle of

(48:29):
the story saying and too too, or here's the pitch,
and you know, continuing on with the story. Um. And
I also love how he wasn't biased. There are too
many guys that are very clearly announcing for the team
they're calling games for. But Vince Gully was so good
at just being a baseball fan and not letting his

(48:50):
personal bias get in the way. There's so many guys
that had monster games against the Dodgers, and you wouldn't
tell from Vince Called that he was the Dodgers announcer.
The other thing that stands out to me just from
a distance is what you guys said about, you know,
the preparation and the passion. And I mean, look, we
we all love sports, right, but as guys get older,

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and it could be a player that you see isn't
putting in the work, could be a broadcaster that we
know is not putting in the work. I mean, this
guy was in his earlyad a mid to late eighties
by the end, and there was never a moment on
a broadcast where you're like, this guy, this guy is prepared,
he's knowledgeable, he's funny, he's interesting, he's worldly. Um, he's

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got stories like though that the work ethic, the want to,
the inquisitiveness is kind of what stands out to me.
And then the last thing I would say two guys
is you know, in sports, we do this thing where
you know, we everybody is, oh, we'll never see anybody
like that again. I mean, you know whatever, and it's
like we are there will never be another Vince Calling,

(49:54):
not just because of the talent, sixties seven years on
the job, starts at you know, right around twenty one
years old in Brooklyn. You know, again, you you remember stuff,
but you forget stuff and then you go back and
you look when he did ultimately pass and Jackie Robinson
was on the team when he started his career, and

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you know, Jackie Robinson past fifty years ago. Vince Scully
was still broadcasting games as of six seven years ago,
and when his career started, Jackie Robinson was on the team.
I mean, you know, you talk about a guy that
not only had a passion for what he did and
was like just a liver, a living excuse me, history
book of not just Dodgers Baseball, but sports, um, you know, society,

(50:41):
you know, I mean obviously everything that the Civil War,
everything that he It's just that's the other part that
stands out is you know, it's one thing, you know,
if if a guy's go to the job and but
sixty seven years and that that that's what just I mean,
it's just we will never see a guy or a
girl at twenty one years old get a job keeping
until they're eight eight and have as much you know,

(51:02):
vinegar and energy and excitement as as he did. Even
when he stepped away in two thousand sixty. Yeah, I mean,
I think that's a million percent true and well said.
And I also think, what are the Dodgers without Vince Gully? Like,
I understand how important they are, but one of the
reasons they're so important is because they had that guy

(51:23):
as their storyteller. The dude that wrote the biography for
the Los Angeles Dodgers for more than half a century
is one of the most brilliant guys to ever do
anything in this business. I don't even mean what he did.
We know he was the cream of the crop there,
but just in sports in general, like the Dodgers brand
benefited astronomically from that guy being attached to it for

(51:47):
so long, being able to tell the stories to bring
you into all of that. Like, I know they've had
great players through the years. I'm not indicating they have
been nothing, But you can't tell me not only can
you not write the history of the Dodgers without Vin,
I would be very curious to know what they would
be as a franchise if it weren't for Vince Scully
being the voice of as you said, multiple generations where

(52:11):
fathers even grandfathers taught their fathers and then taught their
sons to appreciate Vince Scully and to listen to and
watch Dodgers baseball. Yeah, last thought as we as we
wrap this up is, um, you know, is interesting driving
around being in Los Angeles and hearing stories on Wednesday
Thursday of well Thursday, I guess it would have been
of um, you know the idea that we're talking about.

(52:35):
You know, guys and girls were calling in that. You know,
my dad passed away forty years ago, fifty years ago,
and the lasting memory that that I have is watching
games with him, listening to games with him. We listened
to UH games in the hospital with Vin on the call.
So uh, again, not to be hyperbolic, you know, not
to over exaggerate, but we will never see anybody else

(52:57):
sixty seven years on the call of one of the
most prominent UH Sports franchises in professional American sports, and
no one that did it quite like him. So Vince
Scully passes away at ninety four years old. UH and
as BO said, a a fulfilling, um, incredible career for
him and his family. So this is Fox Sports Radio
errant towards Jason Martin. Coming up. We will go to

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the Diamond Padres made a big splash this week. What
does it mean for both them? The Dodgers, the n
L West, in baseball in general. Fox Sports Radio, Welcome
back everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Saturday errant towards
Jason Martin here on a Saturday night, obviously, just talked
about the passing of Vince Scully. We'll get to the

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Segar a little early because the Segar, I know, uh,
lifelong Dodgers fan, lifelong l a guy, he'll have plenty
of thoughts. So we'll get to Sager here in just
a few minutes really quickly. Uh, you know. On the Diamond,
there was some some obviously very interesting news with the
trade deadline over the last couple of days. Obviously it
goes without saying Shohyotani was not moved. But Juan Soto,

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I mean, a guy that is just twenty three years
old to be twenty four in October, already a two
time All Star World Series champ in twenty nineteen, traded
to the San Diego Padres, who are currently playing the
Los Angeles Dodgers. Jason, I know you're a baseball guy.
I mean, you know, I don't think it was shocking
that that Juan Soto was moved, but the Padres all

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of a sudden become pretty interesting. I mean, obviously Won
Soto has got a little bit of time before his
extension is up or before he has to to sign
that long term contract. You add him with the you know,
a potentially returning Fernado Tatis Junior here in a few
weeks Many Machado. Obviously interesting team, interesting trade for the
San Diego Padres to this week. Jason, Yeah, I think
it's good for baseball. I think it's good to have

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a couple of teams that are a little off the
beaten path go make big swings. No pun intended, what
maybe pun intended with what Soda is capable of doing
for them. But they have spent some money, have the
Padres Over the last few years. They've become more have
than have not to franchise the You really haven't had
to pay attention to for a while, right, I mean
it's been what Tony Gwinn and Keim cam and Nitti

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and a couple of guys here and there. Maybe you've
had to pay attention to a a closer or somebody
like that from time to time, But they are. Then
being in the mix and then being in the same
division with the Dodgers makes that very interesting. I think
that's good for baseball because the Dodgers are the Dodgers,
like they're they're gonna be there. The Yankees and the
Yankees they're gonna be there. You expect the Red Sox

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will get back on track, probably not this year, but
they're gonna get back on track at some point in time.
There are those kind of made guy franchises. Uh. The
Padres aren't one. But this is good. And I think
it's also a kind of deal where you look at
it and you're another market and a team that hasn't
spent a ton of money, but you think, hey man,
there's a possibility this can happen. That's the beauty of

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baseball is if somebody wants to go spend money, they
can make something happen real fast. You don't have necessarily
that luxury, although if you manipulate the salary cap properly, cronky,
you can find a a uh to get things done. Uh.
And there are still haves and have nots in the NFL.
But I think in the baseball universe, because of that

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lack of salarycap. Uh, you have the opportunity for something
like this to happen, and I like this, Like I'll
tell you this makes me want to take a trip
next year. Let we see the Dodgers and Padres in
a series like mixed in a vacation out there, but
then find a way to get to a couple of
those games. It's gonna be a hot ticket, but you're
gonna be basically watching a couple of all star teams. Well,

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first of all, uh, if you have you ever been
a Dodger Stadium, First of all, I haven't. No, I
have not. I saw the Dodgers play out there, but
I saw him a candlestick before the new Giants Park
opened up. Was the last time I was out there
during baseball season. So no, I've never gotten to go
to shop has not never been to Dudges Stadium? Okay,
because it's it's an incredible place to watch a game.

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It's obviously historic, iconic. Also, Petco Park is an incredible
place to watch a game too. It's uh beautiful, it's
right by the water, um, and it's funny. You know,
last time I was down there, the team was rible
and tickets were easy to come by. Now, I don't
think nearly as much. But I'm with you. You know,
it's funny. I don't know, you know, I keep making
college football analogies here. I made some analogies with Trey

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Lance last hour. But what you said about teams that
are willing to push the chips in the middle and
go for it, you know, I mean, I think that's
been the problem with college football for way too long,
the last couple of years is uh, you know, is
anybody everybody says they want to compete with Alabama? But
are they they putting the resources, facilities, paying for assistant coaches,
paying paying the head coach? Uh? And there's been a
few Clemson or High State whatever. But now you know,

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you have Lincoln Riley at Oklahore or at USC pushing
all the chips in the middle. You have Texas A
and m obviously doing what they're doing Miami with Mario
Crystal Ball. And I think it's the same with with
the Padres and with the Padres in Major League Baseball.
Is it's just exciting to me. It's a new team,
it's a different team. Um. And like you said, a
genuine rival on the West Coast and it's interesting because

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living here. Um, it's definitely like I don't know if
big brother little brothers the right term to use, but like,
the Padres want to be arrival of the Dodgers, and
I don't think the Dodgers really see them as that
as of yet. But the best way to do that
is to go ahead, get you know, get difference makers,
get players, be competitive and uh, you know again to

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to make an analogy to any other sport is the
only way you become a true rival is by being
able to compete on the field of play or the court, uh,
the court in general. So I'm excited about this. Um,
you know, I think anything, you know, me being a
casual baseball guy, anything to get me to the tube
is exciting. Obviously seeing the Dodgers and Padres playing today, uh,
you know, getting in studio and being able to have

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that game on, I'm excited. Uh And and you know,
I I think it's I just think it's interesting. Also
the Padres going from you know, one of the smallest
payrolls in baseball to now just spend, spend, spend to
put an interesting product on the field. Jason, Yeah, no,
I agree, And I might just think the more teams
that you feel like have a shot, and more teams
that you feel like are taking big shots, the better

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your league is. Um yeah, there's gonna be some fan
bases and some teams you're gonna look at this and say, well,
how do you compete with this? Good news is in sports,
all kinds of crazy things can happen. We know what
we expect to see, but is that definitely what you're
gonna see. I mean, you've got injuries, You've got all
sorts of things that can happen. You've now got you
just got the universe where guys can get unhappy and

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they get very interesting and intriguing really really fast. Going
back to Rossilo's comment that the you know that you're
not really worried as much about free agents as you
are the next mal contented superstar that can be your
game changing guy. Um, I just I think that this
is a good thing. If he had landed with the
Yankees of the Dodgers, that would have been kind of

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to me. That would have been a wet blanket. Those
two teams are loaded. They were gonna go make some
moves one way or the other. I think it's better
that there's somebody else, especially when it's that close to
l A and a good division. I mean, there are
the teams that vision that certainly can be fun to
watch at times, and the Giants very often every couple
of years they're usually in a mix. But I think
it's good that it's the Padres. I like it. Plus,

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if there was a city in in in California I
would live in, it is San Diego. And they lost
the Chargers even though they were great fans, So I'd
like to see that for them too. Don't disagree on anything.
That's what I gonna do. I want to get over
to the news desk early. I want to bring in
Steve Disager with what's trending. But the Sager knows as
much about the Dodgers in l A history as anybody,

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so one di Sager. You know, obviously any thoughts on
Juan Soto, But then more importantly, I know you you've
worked games for years, You've been around the city forever.
Did you have any personal interactions with Vince Scully or
any stories that you wanted to share? Yeah, plenty of stories,
and as far as the interactions, you know, I've covered
sports a long time and you get to be around
plenty of athletes and you just you're able to function.

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It's cool being around whoever, Kobe, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky,
all of these people. But the person that I just
couldn't strike up a conversation with with Vince Scully. And
I saw him often, but actually city because he was
like up there, higher than anyone else. For me, I've
lived in southern California my whole life, so of course
grew up listening to Scully like many wanted to be him.

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I used to cover the Dodgers, but this I'm I've
got a lot of Vince Keully tapes of old games
that I listened back to this week. As a matter
of fact, it's been a sad week, been tearful a
little for a lot of Dodger fans last night, but
a great pregame tribute. It was typically of the Dodgers,
a really good moment before last night's game. One of
the tapes, Um, I should have brought it in. It

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was it was one of the last games before they
left Brooklyn, and they handed over to video at the
beginning of the broadcast and he mentioned, I just spilled
my coffee and I just had this so clean it
was it was it should be. It should be some
sort of clip that we dig into the show on occasion.
But I did find this from you mentioned how he
used to be Brooklyn Dodgers announcers. And so it's come

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down to the September seven on the final game of
the year, the Dodgers and the Philadelphia Phillies. This is
nineteen fifty seven before they moved to l A And
he didn't sound dissimilar than he sounded decades later as
the Dodger announcer. I have the ninth inning of his
Sandy Kofax Perfect Game, for example, and he said he

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used to in his call well before the ninth inning,
he would make sure to talk back to the station
and say, roll with this, because not everything was taped
in the old days, roll on this, tape it, and
then we can give a copy to the picture if
he winds up throwing a no hitter. That was the reason.
It was, not to preserve it for history. But then
in the call, as much of a word smith as

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he was, and as much as the inning itself as
a whole was great, he would sneak in like the
date and the time of day and things like that.
He wasn't just baseball, although as you mentioned sixty seven
years as Dodger announcer, he was. I believe it was
CBS golf for many years, which would include the Master's
CBS NFL for years, not just Pat Summer all I

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remember him missing the nine one World As Game five
because it was a Sunday and he was doing the
NFL for CBS. In fact, it was the next season
where Joe Montana's famous pass against the Cowboys in the
NFC Championship Game at San Francisco. It's Ben Scully and

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George Allen. I believe it was doing CBS back then,
so it wasn't just baseball. As awesome as he was
at that, and you mentioned how great he was communicating
to his audience like it was one to one. He
always loved and pretty much demanded to be solo on
the radio, now national, and he did a lot of

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World Series national radio. He would have like Sparky Anderson
with him, but as far as local he was always solo,
and in fact would do in the late innings a simulcast.
He'd be your TV announcer on say Channel eleven l
A and the Dodgers radio station. You'd hear him both
in the late innings simultaneously. It's Creed. It's perfect. It

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was absolutely perfect. But he always said, as far as
being solo on the radio, if if you're going to
buy a car, you know, if I'm the car salesman,
I want to talk to you personally. I don't want
you to listen to me talk to another sales guy
about the car. That was his analogy. But he was
an incredible gentleman. Love to say a joyful hide to

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the workers that we saw every day at Dodger Stadium,
whether it was Maria in the cafeteria or Dave the cook,
or James in security. Knew them, all loved him, all
always said at the same table at the media cafeteria.
He was also human. He announced for NBC not only
Game of the Week, as you said, but therefore all
Star games in World Series early eighties, he mentioned a

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fan interference for a Cardinal road game or home game
in a flyball to deep center field, and the governor
of Missouri, grand standing as a politician, later said after
the game, well, how could that announce or be right?
The greatest fans in the country fan interfering. You know,
Vince Scully was taken back by that. So later in
the World Series, as it's still going on, the governor

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said he wanted to apologize and give Vin the key
to the state or some such thing if he could
come on the air in the booth on one of
the NBC broadcast. Well, that was a nonstarter. And then
actually later in telling that actually said the words I
will never forgive him for that. That was That was
the closest to like the dark side I ever heard
anything for Vince Gully. And oddly I just mentioned this

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last week here on the air how he hated old
timers games. I remember him chatting in the press box
about because we mentioned because the Yankees had their old
timers games last weekend that he didn't need to see
the old guys trying to still play because he saw
them in their prime. And also he was so fearful
of injuries. And the last thing is are Ben Maller

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here at Fox. He used to host ages ago post
game Dodger Talk. So in more recent years Ben and
I were in the press box typically chatting in the
press box hallway. Then he comes down the hallway and
says Hey, Ben, big smile and keeps walking in and
opens the door and enters the cafeteria. And I have
told Ben this before, I'm happy to say it again.

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You will never get anything larger in your radio career
than what just happened here. Vince Gully just stopped and
said hello to you by name. That's it. Nothing higher
in your career will occur, even if you're on fifty
years here and Ben has a good show at a
loyal following. It's just for all of us, Ben included, then,

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is the highest of the heights in the broadcasting injury.
Personal opinion, there will never be anyone better the Seger.
We appreciate that man, and it does speak to h
It does speak to again. I I can't I keep
going back to its sixty seven years. I mean, you
just you can't the play the fact we just started
audio from fifty seven, like I heard him, just like

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I would have fifty something like what that just sounds
so dumb to me. Fifty seven an award broadcasting games
six years ago, so to say anything else? Trending before
Dodgers oddly yes, going up against Wuan Soto and the Padres.
And you're right, the Padres have spent a lot of
money in recent years. Juan Soto is one for three

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where the runs scored. Now. The Padres took a lead
in the fourth inning on three unearned runs. They were
up three too, but Max Munsey, who's now betting one
seventy the average, has arisen in the past week monthly
with a three run homer, and the Dodger lead is
five three over the Padres in the top of the
seventh inning. The only other game that's going no one
is paying attention to, certainly not in Southern California, because

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the Angels are playing. They're up three nothing at Seattle
in the bottom of the fifth inning, trying to split
a double header. The Mets swept a double header from Atlanta.
Baltimore won its fifth straight, Philadelphia won its fourth game
in a row, and in the ALE Central, the Twins
first place are still two games over Cleveland. Both the
Twins and Cleveland one in the n L Central, the
Cardinals are alone in first now. St. Louis, winners of

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sixth straight, beat the Yankees one nothing. Cincinnati has seven
five winner at Milwaukee, and linebacker Kiko Alonso retired. He
had just signed with New Orleans back to you. Thank
you very much as Sager, thank you as always, but
thank you more for the Vin Scully, you know, memories
and everything. Seger been around the l A sports scene
for a while. This is Fox Sports Radio, aeron towards

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Jason Martin. Let's stay with the l A sports scene. Jason.
You know I mentioned to Matt Verdam earlier kind of
just an interesting, you know, nugget that's kind of come
out of a fall camp. And and I don't know
if it's everything, but I don't think it's nothing either. Um.
And that's that, you know, Matthew Stafford. Obviously Rams are

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coming off of a Super Bowl win. Um, you know
a little bit of um, you know, Uh, I don't
even know what the what the right word is, but
elbow soreness, elbow discomfort. Now he did practice today. Sean
McVeigh said that basically, you know, if he didn't know
he was hurt, you wouldn't even been asking me about this.
But I'll tell you man, you know Verduran brought it

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up thirty four years old. UM, I don't know. I
don't think you can say it's nothing otherwise, you know,
I don't know, it just feels like it's something and
what it says to me, jays Moore anything, you gotta
have so much stuff break right to win a super
Bowl because you think about all the breaks that they
got along the way last year in the playoffs, the
comebacks to this, to that. Uh, and now six months later,

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Matt Stafford's at least a little bit banged up going
into the year. It shows you how hard it is
to win one of these things. Yeah, look, I get
kind of what McVeigh is saying and Stafford saying, and
I feel like, probably it's gonna be all right. But
there was one line where I'm just like, yeah, maybe
don't say that one when McVeigh said it's a little
bit abnormal for a quarterback. That was the quote about
this injury goes, yeah, this is this injury is a

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little abnormal for a quarterback. Okay that that's not what
I want to hear like that. If I'm a RAMS fan,
I want to hear that. But anybody that that's hearing
that thinks, wait a second, what do you mean it's abnormal?
Like I don't know that abnormal is better than normal
or worse, but abnormal indicates and we don't really see this.
I'm not sure how we're supposed to proceed here. Again,

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I don't know, and certainly he's not. He's gonna downplay it.
They're both gonna downplay he said, I just have a
little soreness. We're gonna be fine all of this. But
it was just the word abnormal that kind of stuck
out where I was just kind of like, that was
a little bit more information than you needed to share
right there. Sean like that that might have added just
a hair of concern out there to those that we're

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thinking the Rams are still gonna be the best team
in the a S or in in the NFC. Uh.
That was the only thing that really stuck out to me.
I mean, look, it's August. August is six, so Stafford's
got plenty of time here. But he's also been a
dude that's been hurt a lot. Now, he's been a warrior.
He's also been like super tough and playing through all
this stuff, but he's also been nicked a lot during
the course of his career. I'm sure Bernie and tell

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us that in the fourth hour of the show when
he joins us by it. I think that was the
only thing that stood out to me was the word
abnormal about this injury or this soreness or whatever it is,
that exactly what is going on with Matthew Stafford. Where
I was just like, Okay, Sean, alright, Uh, maybe not
what I would have said, but I'm certainly intrigued by it. Well,
and I thought Verdan brought up a good point to Matt.

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Verdan from fansideed dot Com joined us an hour one,
is that, you know, with the way Sean McVeigh structures
the preseason, I mean, obviously Matt Stafford is taking snaps
at practice, but we're not gonna see him, like we
as fans are not gonna see him until week one
and so one, it'll be interesting to see him in
week one on that Thursday night opening game against Buffalo.

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But then, as Matt said, it'll be interesting to kind
of follow throughout the season itself, because uh, just it's
you know, one, if he doesn't look right week one,
that's a really bad sign. But then too, if he
looks fine week one, it doesn't mean that it's behind
him because really, frankly, they're probably letting him, you know,
kind of take it easy here in in training camp

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up in the lead up to the season, and what
does he look like in week six, what does he
look like in week eate, what does he look like
when he has to play on a Sunday and then
the following Thursday. So, uh, you know, it's a story
that that. Again, we don't know that it's it's it's everything,
but I don't know that it's nothing either. Uh, And
it's just gonna be interesting to follow here. Over the
next couple of weeks, Fox Sports Radio erran towards Jason

(01:12:20):
Martin here on a Saturday Night, from one NFC West
quarterback to another, Cliff Kingsbarry, some interesting comments on Kyler Murray.
We discussed that next Fox Sports Radio Welcome Back Everybody.
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Let us know what you think, what we're talking about,
what you want us to talk about? All that good stuff.
So I mentioned last segment obviously some news out of
the NFC West where there's sorting a little smoke around.
Maybe Matthew Stafford not being a percent coming into the
year sore elbow. Uh. And as I said a minute ago,
we're probably not going to find out all that much
about it, uh for a while, because he probably will

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not play in the preseason, as has been customary for
the RAM since Sean McVeigh got there. Obviously, there's a
lot of uh, you know, smoke around. Another quarterback in
the NFC West, Kyler Murray signs that massive extension. There
is the clause in his contract that was later removed. Uh.
Kyler Murray has been in the news, and he was
in the news again a few days ago because he

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was apparently calling some plays around practice and and somebody
asked him. Somebody asked their head coach, Cliff Kingsbury, why
Kyler Murray was doing it. Here is what Cliff Kingsbury
had to say. That easy, you know, like every now
and then he started shaking his head when I'm calling
it in there, I'm like, all right, well go ahead,

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and big dog, he did a good job. It's just
I would not want to play for Kyler Murray if
I was a quarterback. He was the coach that was
Cliff Kingsbury, head coach of the Cardinals. So Jason, Um,
I know it was like it was like a funny
quote to see. I also feel like it kind of
speak like that exact quote with that exact tone from
Cliff Kingsbury. Uh, it kind of speaks to exactly everything

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that we've been saying about Kyler Murray all along. Very
talented guy. Nobody questions his talent, but I mean Cliff
Kingsbury did Cliff Kingsbury not kind of confirmed that he's
a little bit of a pain and that you know
what to deal with behind the scenes. Where am I crazy? Uh? Well,
I read the article about it after the facts, like
I always smiling and joking, I'm like, yeah, sure he is,
um because as you said, this isn't the thing to

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smile and joke about right now. Um, this isn't the
joke to tell. Considering the knock on Kyler Murray that
currently exists, like this read differently to me. It was interesting,
But I think the bigger issue is this whole Kyler thing.
You've paid him the money, he comes out wearing an

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easy money sure to lay out his resume, which I'll
get to in just a second, and then he talks
about it. It's disrespectful and unthinkable to think that I
don't watch tape and don't prepare. I said this to
Chris Blank last week since I wasn't on with you.
This is what he said on December the twenty, two thousand,

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twenty one. If anybody hasn't heard this, make sure you
don't have a beverage uh, and make sure you're not
in a moving vehicle. He said. I think I was
blessed with the cognitive skills to just go out there
and just see it before it happens. I'm not one
of those guys gonna sit there and kill myself watching film.
I don't sit there for twenty four hours and break
down every team and watch every game because in my
head I see so much unquote really quick. That would

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be a fun was that Aaron Rodgers talking after he
did psychledelic drugs or Kyler Murray. That'd be a fun game.
But keep keep that one in the hopproom. We might
be able to do it all season long. But so
this was this that was December, and now seven months
later's like, how dare you accuse me? And not watching film?
Like dude, dude, I got it from your words like
that that that's a quote like I That wasn't paraphrase.

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Those were direct comments from Kyler Murray. And somehow that's
not as egregious to me as saying I went forty
three and oh in high school. That's where you called
a press conference, said, hey, you know, I don't like
talk about myself, but I'm gonna read my resume. I
went forty three and oh in high school. I was like, dude,
there is not a soul that cares about that, like

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not at all. Like who touts that other than Uncle
Rico in Napoleon Dynamite? Like are you yeah, right, exactly? Okay,
you know what, that's a good answer by you. That's right.
Four touchdowns for Paul Kai but forty but you don't.
But you're in NFL quarterback right, Like you won a
Heisman Trophy. You've been in a college football playoff, didn't
win it, but hey, you were at Oklahoma. Lincoln Robby

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doesn't win national championships. He just get you close. And
then you get to the NFL and you've had late
season collapses, but you've also been you know, rookie of
the Year, the first overall pick, the A's wanted you,
they were gonna pay you to play baseball. All these
things are true, but you still felt the need to
tell us you were forty three and oh in high school.
Like I was like, all right, cool, Like I understand

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where we are here, but all of this stuff. The
of course I watched film, but you've got to watch
it for four hours a week, and that's in a contract. Yeah,
we're gonna take it out, but your agent signed it,
and they didn't put it there for no reason, and
it didn't make it out to the public for no reason.
And Kingsbury saying this, there is there is a there's
an immaturity in Kyler Murray. But it's not immaturity like

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he's a five year old and I'm not attacking his
intellect here. This is what I mean by immaturity when
it comes to Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray's immaturity is born
out of arrogance because he's been so good, because he's
such a great natural athlete. Again, he might have been
a star MLB player, but he was a first round
draft pick where they offered money. He was the first

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overall pick, he was the highsman. Trop he's just one
of those natural gifted athletes, and more power to them
for it. That's awesome, But in effect, what the Cardinals
have been saying and what all of this stuff that
is sort of just this cauldron of sewage that's surrounding
this season for the Cardinals, they're basically saying, dude, look
how good you are at man, If you put in

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all of the work, you might be in Canton, just
like those dudes we saw earlier today. And I think
that's what irritates them. It's like you ever see somebody
that's really good at something, but you also know they're
lazy in your own mind. You feel like they could
be putting in a little bit more work, and it's like,
you were gifted with so much, why don't you maximize that?
And it irritates you because you're not born of the

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same stuff. You're not gifted with the same stuff. I
think Arizona, who's been a barren waste lam for quarterbacks
pretty much forever outside of Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer
for a time and Jake Plumber for a little while, um,
they're looking at Kyler Murray like, gosh, if you would
just do it all right, now, in the preparation phase,
nothing might be able to stop you. This guy might

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be the limit for you. You're your worst enemy right now.
And again he's up there saying it's disrespectful that you
would ever assume he's not watching film, and you've got
his You've got Zach Hurt saying, well, I knew, you know,
I would tell a play and he would know exactly, okay, man, whatever.
All I know is back in December he basically said
I don't sit there watching film because I'm too good
and hat what does that mean? That's the same thing

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as Cliff Kingsbury saying go ahead and call play since
you think it's so easy. Is that not exactly basically
the same thing. It's a thousand percent. And when I
saw that quote, and I heard the quote and I
know it's it. You know, Cliff kind of made it
sound tongue in cheek, but um, you know, to me,
it speaks to everything that we talked about. Everything. You know, Oh,
we're gonna we might have to take the clause out

(01:19:42):
of the contract, but we're gonna let you know that
that we need a little bit more out of in
that we need a little bit more effort, and we
need a little bit more accountability, a better teammate, all
that good stuff. So wild, interesting quote I thought from
Cliff Kingsbury. Uh, it's speaking a wild interesting quotes coming up.
Nick Saban, he had some things to say. Jason Martin
doesn't like If Bo doesn't like it, we'll discuss that

(01:20:04):
next Fox Sports, right Boa, look at that the standing
ovation our three Fox Sports radio eron tords Jason Martin.
We're taking up till to a m Eastern Bernie Fretto
will follow us, and of course, Bernie Fretto will join
us a little over an hour from now to preview
his show. Bernie, of course grew up in Los Angeles,

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have plenty on Vince Scully, he'll have plenty on quite
a bit from across the world of sports. Bernie Fretto
here joining us pretty soon about an hour from now. Uh, James,
you gotta kick out of my teas coming out of
our number two. Uh. So you know we are obviously
well what are we now? Four weeks away? Three weeks
away Week zero college football? Uh? And we're four saturdays

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away from like real games, real implications. Georgia, Oregon, Florida, Utah,
all these big games. I'll try what's the big Ohio
State and Notre Dame. We'll be coming on air four
weeks from now. Notre Dame, Ohio State will be on
our TV. So uh, a lot of college football to
get to the next segment will kind of get to
some of the storylines going into the year. But there

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was also a storyline this week our buddy Nick Saban.
May have heard of him multiple time national champion. I
can't even think of how many times he's won a
national championship. I think it's seven. I think that's what
he's up to. Uh, six at Alabama, won at l
s U. He was on a showdown in Birmingham friend
of mine Cole Public is a co host along with
Greg McElroy, Alabama Legend, UH and Nick Saban. Amongst many

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things that he said during that interview was that last
year he deemed to be a rebuilding year. Now, I
didn't really have a problem with it, and I'll explain
why in a minute, but apparently a lot of people did,
including you and including producer Bo because my text messages
blew up before the show when I proposed this as

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a segment. You are adamant you almost called out and
refused to do the show. You're so upset that Nick
Saban says that it was rebuilding. Go ahead, tell me
why Nick Saban is a big, filthy liar and why
you hate his guts. Go ahead. Look, first off, I'm
an Alabama fan, you know that, and I love Nick Saban,
and I just laughed at this because it's just like,

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hey man, you lost to Texas A and M and Georgia.
It's alright, it happens. Uh. They got you on a
Saturday night. I don't know what Zach Calzada had in
a smoothie that day, but he was rocking and rolling
that night, and they got you. They got you there.
The offensive line performance you guys had not great, Bob,
it wasn't perfect um. And then Georgia got you in

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the national title game. If you didn't lose your receiver,
do you win that game? Maybe? Who knows? But Georgia
was loaded. You knew how good they were. Everybody all
season said it was Georgia and everybody else right up
until the SEC Championship game. So they lost games. They
lost a couple of games. That doesn't make it a
rebuilding year. I understand how much talent they lost from

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the year before. But that's the that's rents and repeat,
because that's college football. That's where I was just like,
all right, Nick, I see what you're saying. Yes, it
is a rebuild. That is college football. That's what the
sport is. That's why I don't believe in the idea
of relegation, which has been discussed with some of these

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super conferences, and maybe you relegate teams that are lower
performers and you bring out you can't do that because
you don't have the same roster. If I've got to
do for ten years on a contract in the Premier League,
for example, I can do that. I can't do it
in college football when the turnover is with graduation and
guys going to the NFL and all these other things.
That just doesn't work the same way. Every single school,

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it's constantly in rebuilding mode. They're always That's why Nick
is already recruiting on the plane watching iPad, you know,
watching highlights and on huddle and all these other things
on the way home from the National Championship game where
he just won and in this case last year lost.
But I don't think you hear a peep about this.
If they win, I can't call it a rebuild, Aaron,

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When you have the Heisman Trophy, you sure quarterback Heisman
Trophy winner, and you have the best player in college
football who's not the Heisman Trophy winner, it's actually Will
Anderson and he will be the best player in college
football this year. Who knows if maybe he can actually
win the thing this year. But you had those two guys,
and you had Jameson Williams, and you had Metchie and

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you had other guys like It's not like this was
a barren cupboard. It's always well stocked at Alabama. It
doesn't mean it's not impressive what they're able to do
year after year in terms of the talent that's brought
in and the guys there. I mean, look, they had
Mac Jones sitting on the bench for years. They had
to they had to get off the bench to take
Jalen Hurts his job in the National Championship Game. All

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these things, our tools and their moves and their depth
and they're all of this. But what it's not is
a rebuild, like and that that's it's just like, all right,
you can't call that a rebuild. Everybody You're rebuild at
Alabama is most everybody every other school in the country's
greatest team they'll ever field. Let me tell you why
it was rebuild. So, first of all, I get the argument.

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I was talking about Buddy We've We've actually had him
on the show David Nunio who hosts Down in Texas
A and M Texas Radio, and he said, he goes
South Carolina rebuilds, Mississippi State rebuilds, Kentucky rebuilds, Arkansas rebuilds,
he goes Alabama doesn't rebuild. But by the definition of
which a team rebuilds, last offseason was about as big
of a rebuild as Alabama could possibly have. They did

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lose a record setting amount of talent, that's not hyperbole.
They lost six first round picks, which tied for the
most ever um They lost their entire offensive staff, including
Steve Sarkaesian. But we we forget Steve Sarkisian brought a
bunch of assistants with him. I know, we It's easy
to say, well, they had the Heisman Trophy winner. That
Heisman Trophy winner went into the season with no meaningful

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snaps in his career. And so I get the argument
that Alabama doesn't rebuild. But what I would also say is,
by the definition of rebuild, UM, that was as close
to what Alabama would have. That that is as close
to a rebuild as Alabama will have under Nick Saban.
And I think people can get two things twisted just

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because they overachieved or you know, I think and Nick
Saban would probably say that too. He did say that
at various points in the year. Just because, um, they
made a national championship game, just because the quarterback that
replaced Mac Jones, who statistically had one of the greatest
seasons in college football history, won a Heisman Trophy, it
doesn't mean that it was not a rebuild. And Jason,
you know how, I know part of it it was

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sort of a rebuild because you and I on these
airways for fourteen fifteen straight weeks kept saying, I don't know,
doesn't look like a vintage Obama team, and then all
of a sudden they win the SEC Championship. Doesn't mean
to rebuild, though, Aaron, does that mean they rebuild it vintage?
That just means, all right, this isn't the best, this
isn't the most talented team we've seen. Again, they rebuild
every year, every school in college football does, so you

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can't call it a rebuild. You can say, look if
Nick Saban stands up and he's just like, you know what,
you know last year, you know, we lost a ton
of talents to the NFL that have year after year.
I was really impressed with the way these guys came
in and performed like that. They played really really hard.
A lot of them were young that were inexperienced. You know,
they've really really had a nice season. Like maybe that

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doesn't sound like Nick Saban, but you can say that'd
be like, but everything, you know, every single school in
college football has to reload continuously, and you would never
hear any of this if they hadn't actually lost to
Georgia in the National title Game. I don't even think
the A and M lost would have been enough. Again,
I laughed at it because it's just Nick is such
a competitor. I even heard Fine Bam say the same

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thing this week. Is like, anytime they lose, there's gonna
be an excuse. They're almost always is. There's something and
it's usually subtle or passive aggressive, but it finds its
way out there. Because Nick has a very large megaphone,
and I just more than anything, I just found this amusing.
I'm like, nag, puppy peaches, sit down here. It's not
a rebuild. I would argue it was. But what I

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would also argue is, this is, like you said, Saban,
it's got a big megaphone, whatever that means. But I
know exactly what you meant there, and that is that
when Nick Saban steps to the podium and says something,
a lot of times, many times he is saying something
without saying it. And we've we've kind of all heard
the press sound bites in the past where he gets

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mad if media gives his team too much credit, rat
poise and all that stuff, and he's basically telling his team, hey,
you're not quite as good as you think you are.
I would counter what you said, what Paul fine moom said,
what everybody said. I I think it was a rebuild.
I think they they, you know, in some ways, overachieved
in some ways. Um, you know, it was just Alabama

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being Alabama. Doesn't mean it wasn't a rebuild. But what
I would also say is, and maybe I'm overthinking it,
I think he also kind of said we weren't supposed
to be as good last year as we were when
we did lose for six first round picks, when we
did lose a quarterback that statistically had one of the
best offensive seasons ever in college football, when we did
lose our entire offensive staff. But guess what, and that

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ain't the issue this year. We got both our coordinators back.
We got, as you said, Jason not only the Heisman
Trophy winner, but the best player in college football, Aaron
torres Is picked to win two Highsman Trophy Will Anderson.
We crushed it in the portal last What what I
heard from Nick Saban the other day was not last
year was a rebuild. What I heard was y'all should

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have gotten us last year, and Georgia and Texas A
and M congrats on that, because I know what a
national championship looks like. I know what a team that's
gonna steamroll teams in the regular season looks like. And
I got one of those. As we opened camp this week.
Do you think I'm crazy to think that Nick Saban
was not only saying maybe he was making an excuse,
maybe he wasn't, but what he was also saying was,

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you guys better have caught us last year because we're
coming for you this year. Well, look, I could easy
to see that. I mean, he usually has some purpose
behind what he's saying. I also just think it really
ticked him off that they lost those games last year.
I don't think he likes listening to Jim at all.
Kirby he loves and respects, but he's just such a competitor.
The only reason he's still there five years from today

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is because he just can't stop trying to compete. It's
not because it's an addiction to to being a champion
as much as it is. He's just fire to compete.
He's got that in him. I still predict he will
be gone with him five years. But I think that's
the biggest thing is because how many times have we
actually been able to comment during this offseason of something

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that has said. Usually he doesn't do this like he'll
say something, or he'll say something funny, or he'll make news.
This year, like four or five times he said something
that has has led to something else that's led to
a discussion on this show and a bunch of others.
And I look at that and I'm just like, something's
under this guy's skin. I know he doesn't like this
in I L universe right now because he feels like

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other teams are gonna be able to play on the
field that he had found a way to to perfect basically,
And so when you're standing on top of Mount every
you all of a sudden one erect defense around it
so that no one else can do it too, and
that kind of levels of playing fields. Same thing it's
in baseball with the Padres. There can be a Padres
like team in college football in the n I O universe,

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especially without the regulations that currently exists. Now, you can
do special things potentially, So I think you look at
it from that perspective. But I think more than more
than anything, the fact that he is saying so many
kind of either controversial or newsworthy or interesting things is
because something's on his mind and something is stuck in

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his craw. And the biggest thing is he lost to
Jimbo in the regular season, he lost to Georgia in
the National title game, and he lost the top recruit
to Dion Sanders. All of those things mixed up together
reveal why he is saying so much, And to me,
I'm just kind of looking at like, dude, you were
talking an awful lot. You're still gonna be really good,

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Like they should win the national title this year. That
team is absolutely loaded this year. We'll see whether or
not that happened. But he he is talking in a
way that's just kind of un characteristic for somebody like Nick.
That's so kind of heads down, we're running our program,
come get us kind of stuff. It's it's It's just
shows me that something emotionally right now, something has triggered

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him about the state of college football and where he
resides within it. I would also say to his guys,
get older, they just stop caring. That's true. Yeah, I remember.
Actually it's ironic because I just brought up David Nuno.
I remember him saying this on our show where if
you watch the Jimbo Fisher sound it is kind of
like a senior moment where he just gets worked up
and he doesn't realize where he is and what he's saying.

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And then I don't even think he like like Nato,
it's the basketball coach is sitting right next to him
and like turns his head. When Nick Saban said, it's
so uh, it's interesting. I also would be very concerned
if I was the rest of college football because at
least for one more year. Now, as we get further
into the n i L world and maybe the talent
spreads out a little bit more and Lincoln Riley gets
some USC and Marrow Krystine Ball gets some at Miami

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and Jimbo Fisher gets my text s A and M.
For at least one more year, Alabama, in my opinion,
has by far the best team in college football, which
we'll discuss next. We're gonna do a little college football
uh semantics here, the overrated, underrated, all that good stuff.
Preview the season. Four saturdays from now. We will have
Notre Dame, Ohio State, we will have Clemson, Georgia Tech,

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we will have Georgia Oregon. A lot of a lot
of good games that week. So come back, talk about
the season itself. Coming up next. Aaron Towards, Jason Martin,
Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, DJ
Don Brown. All this oh highway to the danger zone.

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Huh still making money. I was gonna try to make
some weird like drawback to Nick Saban, but not. Nothing
immediately came to me. So anyway, let's get back into
the college football talk. So we're talking a little bit
about Nick Saban these comments about rebuilding, but but I
also think it speaks to is, uh, you know, we're
getting really close to college football here, and obviously, oh,

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it's gonna be so good. It's gonna be so good. Uh.
Jason and I of course around every Saturday from ten
pm Eastern to two am, so we have the privilege
of coming on right after all of these big games
every single Saturday. And so the big one obviously in
Week one that will be coming on for Ohio State
and Notre Dame. And so what I want to do now,
Jason is just and and maybe it's something we do
over the next couple of weeks. We you know, we

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don't have to rush through these, but do a little
bit of college football superlatives. I mean, you and I
both love the sport. Obviously, there's a lot of people
listening that maybe haven't been paying attention to all the
big offseason moves and everything that happened. But what I
want to do is just ripped through, you know, some
some things that that people may have forgotten, just some
conversations about the sport itself coming into the year. By
kind of getting into some superlatives, some this, some that.

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So if I told you, Jason Martin, who is the
most interesting team coming into the college football season, who
would you say is the most interesting team? I mean,
I think there's there's gonna be multiple candidates for all
of this. I'm curious and and if you start going
then I'll give you some. Then I'll probably give you
some different answers. So what would you say to that?

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I have one, but I'm gonna see what you say
and then i can adjust accordingly. I think there's about
four or five. I will say the most interesting team
to me is the USC Trojans. Uh. We are on
here often when the Trojans are playing late night college
football Pack twelve after dark, and there were just some
abominations when we were on air last year. I mean

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it was tough to watch. We were on air as
a matter of fact, the Stanford game, which ultimately ended
up being Clay Hilton's final game as the USC head coach.
He was fired, you know, day or two later. But
you look at at USC and I think it's so
interesting because there's so much excitement about Lincoln Rally, and
I think there should be. There's so much excitement about
Caleb Williams, and I get it, But first of all,

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this was a four and eight team last year. Caleb
Williams as great as he was over his five know
three regular season games, four touchdowns, three interceptions, which, oh,
by the way, means that the like the six games before,
I think, trying to do the math here off the
top of my head, the four games before there by
he had off the top. So let's see here eight

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fourteen touchdowns, one interception in the four games before the
bye after the by regular season four touchdowns, three interceptions.
So against better teams he struggled, which as a freshman
that tends to happen. It's not a big deal, but
you know you're you're asking a four and eight team,
You hit the portal, you bring in a million guys.
But for all the criticism the Pack twelve gets, there

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are still some good teams. Utah should be really good
this year. U C l A came up, is coming
off an eight win year. Oregon is not on U
c USC or USC schedule, excuse me, but obviously could
be a potential Pack twelve championship games showdowns. So I'm
intrigued because the interest is unbelievable. The talent at certain spots,
specifically quarterback, wide receivers unbelievable. But then we all know

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football at every college, pro high school is one on
the lines. I don't think USC is there, and I
think everybody's gearing up for eleven and one competing for
a playoff, and I think they're probably nine and three
is this season. Yeah, look, I think it's a great answer.
It would have definitely been one of mine. Um, So
I think maybe I can go with two here because

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they're basically the same thing. L s U and Notre Dame,
because you've got Notre Dame without Brian Kelly Freeman, who
I really really like, but we don't know exactly how
he's gonna do in this gig, in this role, and
right out of the gates, he's got Ohio State. So
I don't know if anybody's gonna expect them necessarily to
win that game. But there's gonna be a microscope there

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because Notre Dame has been so close so often has
been in a college football playoff. But if I just
picked one, and SC is a really good one, But
I think L s U maybe would be where I
would go because they expect a ton in Baton Rouge,
and you had sort of the weird start to the
Brian Kelly here Rah and then when he went to

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SEC media days, I thought he hit a home run
with the way he kind of was self deprecating about himself.
Didn't take it fully, you know, he didn't take anything
personally that people have said. Whatever you want to say
about Brian Kelly. That dude can recruit, he can put
together a staff, and he's a heck of a coach.
And so I want to see what l s U does.
I don't know exactly where their talent puts them in

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the Southeastern Conference, but he said one of the reasons
he wanted to go there is because he wanted to
take a bite out of Nick Saban, like he wanted
to go beat Alabama, which he couldn't do while he
was at Notre Dame. So I'm fascinated to see what
L s U is because basically since the Borough year,
they've been on a very mediocre pathway and Brian Kelly,

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there's a lot expected and this is a kind of
higher because it's so out of the box in terms
of he doesn't seem like a natural fit for that
program and that part of the country. That to me
makes that unique and really interesting to see how that
plays out well. And I think it's a lot of
the same stuff with Lincoln Riley. Is that, you know,
because you bring in a new coach who had a

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ton of success at another place, the immediate assumption is, well,
you know, I mean, you know, coaching upgrade. Not only
you know philosophy, but they hit the portal herd and
you know, this guy knows how to develop a program
and all that stuff. Well, they went you know, six
and six in the regular season last year. Um and
then oh, by the way, and I think this is

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interesting as well. Vegas, at least the sports book that
I saw, they have the over under as as a
six win team at l s U. And so what
that says is Vegas says, you know, a successful season
for l s U is potentially seven and five. Keep
in mind, not only do they have the SEC schedule,
they open with Florida State, who in their own right
is a very interesting team. Um. They have you know

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obviously Alabama at home, Old Miss at home Tennessee and
across division game Florida as well. And so you know,
sometimes you don't you know. And I know you don't
do a ton of gambling stuff, Jason, but you don't
you know, you don't even have to be a gambler
to kind of look at points spreads or look it
over under win totals and sit there and say, well,
Vegas is saying they're about a six six and a
half win team, then they're probably close to about a

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six six and a half win team. And so what
would be interesting to me is obviously, look, you know,
we know part of why Lincoln Riley went to USC
was probably an easier pathway, especially from from when Oklahoma
eventually gets to the SEC. Brian Kelly, you know, you
can't say he didn't take anything other than the path
of most resistance. And everybody loves you in the off season.
But if you go seven and five and year one,

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which is considered a success in Vegas, um, I don't
think that's gonna be considered a success in Baton Rouge
know that that's gonna be man. I mean, he's gonna
get a little bit of time, But I don't know,
like I know, Notre Dame. There's a ton of pressure there.
I get it. But with the advantages that you have
in recruiting and the recent success, the fact that coach

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O and Burrow and that squad with Joe Brady, they've
won the national title in such a it's not been
very long since that point. L s U is one
of those pressure cookers. And if they go in, if
he goes in there and win six games, he better
win ten the next year. Let's just say that it
becomes real hot. They're real, real fast. He would get

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a little bit of a grace period, but it won't
be a giant one. So that's boy. Uh, six wins
would not be very good. Let's just say that it's
a great point. I mean, coach gets fired two years
after winning a national championship. Uh, you know you go
six and six in your one. Uh, you're gonna You're
gonna have a lot of heat. Conan's here to Fox
Sports Radio air towards Jason Martin. Tell you what I'll

(01:41:36):
we'll do some other stuff, some more superlatives college football
related coming up next. Before we do, though, I want
to get to Steve to Seg with what's trening? What's
up to Seger? Well, you mentioned PAC twelve after Dark
for college football that first weekend in September FS one
while at Washington Huskies home opener that late Saturday night,
right after the Wisconsin broadcast. But I noticed that PAC

(01:41:56):
twelve network, which seemingly no one in a pactwell city
can get there, gonna have a triple header that first day.
Notable because and I brought out this up before that
includes the u C. L A and USC home openers.
People in l A won't unless they go to one.
They can't go to both, but they'll be stuck with
Pack twelve networker fine trying to find it for those

(01:42:17):
nonconference games early September. Congratulations, we do have one ball
game still going. It's bottom of the eighth that Seattle
Angels up five one over the Mariners. Everything else is final. Mariners,
by the way, had beaten the Angels in the first
of this double header. The Dodgers have just won their
seventh game in a row, eight three over San Diego
Max Munsey with a three run homer. St. Louis won

(01:42:38):
its six game in a row, beating the slumping Yankees
one nothing. The Yankee offense had two hits. Yanks have
lost four in a row, and Milwaukee lost at home
tonight seven five to the red so the Cardinals first
time since June are alone in first in the NL Central.
In the a L Central, the Twins are still two
games over Cleveland. Both Minnesota and Cleveland won their games.
Philadelphia one, it's fourth in a row. Baltimore one, it's

(01:43:00):
fifth straight. Six three against Pittsburgh. Cubs on FS one
today shut out Miami for nothing. The Marlins offense went
five for thirty one a reminder, the Cubs Field of
Dreams game in Iowa is Thursday night on Fox TV
against the Reds, and the Mets swept a double header
from the Braves eight to five and six to two,
Max Scherzer winning the nightcap, so the Mets first in

(01:43:20):
the NL East, now five and a half games over
the Braves and picture Jacob deGrom will start tomorrow's game
for the Mets. As for NASCAR, they've got a four
hundred at Michigan tomorrow. Little history. Bubba Wallace earned the
poll first of his career. There are four NASCAR races
left in the regular season, including tomorrow. Their playoffs start
in September. Ty Gibbs one Today's Exfinity event, his fifth

(01:43:42):
victory in that series this year. He'll be in Sunday's
race in the car of Kurt Bush, who has a concussion.
Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray returned to practice today after having COVID,
and Brown's running back Kareem Hunt is reportedly skipping team
drills unhappy with his contract. He is expected to be fine.
We were talking about Vince Gully last hour. I remembered
one other story when Ben Maller and I were seated

(01:44:05):
in the last row of the press box and the
national anthem started being sung before a Dodger game, and
Vince Scully, you know he can sing, aside from the
fact that, more to the point, he broadcasts so many games,
more than nine thousand, he's heard the anthem a time
or two, the good and the bad. But this particular one,
he instead of making his way back to the booth
during the anthem out of respect, stopped in the hallway,

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literally right behind us as the lady singing that night
started the anthem, and you could tell after the first
line of the song, a this was going to take
a while and be she was trying to be the
next Mariah Carey. So she sings one line of the
anthem and Vin not only rolls his eyes, but under

(01:44:47):
his breath, but out loud. She It was everything Ben
could do from cracking up out loud at the moment.
He waited all the way through the song, all the
way until Vin walked back down the hall to his
own booth, and then let out his laughter. But Vin
himself good, saying, you may have seen the clips this
week when he was at Wrigley Field singing take me

(01:45:08):
out to the ball game. At Dodger Stadium, this was
his last home broadcast. He led the Dodger fans in
take me out to the ball game, and they love that,
of course. And that was the day where he put
out the banner in front of the booth in I'll
miss you. And then last night pregame, as they were
honoring Vin outside the same booth, they unveiled a banner

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that said we'll miss you Vin, and that was up
there for the whole night, for the whole game last night.
Thack to you, Thank you. Steve Sagard, Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports Saturday eron Torrest, Jason Martin here Saturday Night,
UH three Saturdays now away from Week zero of college football.
The notable game there Northwestern against Nebraska on Fox and

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then of course, also by the way, Yukon Yukon Huskies
playing uh Utah State that day. Jimmoura Aero begins, Baby,
by the way, among the teams that we could mention
among the most interesting, and I'm kind of this, uh,
this superlative segment is already off the set, off the rails.
We're just now just talking about individual teams, but most
I'll say this, my superlative for most interesting team playing

(01:46:16):
in Week zero is definitely Nebraska UH three and nine
last year, all nine losses by nine points or less.
I mean, Jason, and this is incredible. I mean, you
go through and look at their schedule from last year.
This was a team. Listen, listen to just these games. Okay.
They lose to Oklahoma, which wins ten games by seven.
They lose to Michigan State, which wins eleven games by

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three and overtime at Michigan State. They lose to Michigan,
who made the College Football Playoff, by three. They lose
to Ohio State by nine. They lose to Iowa, which
won the Big Ten West and won ten games by seven.
I know, there's a lot of numbers. I just threw
at you. Nine losses by nine points are less, eight
losses by seven points or less. Obviously, Scott Frost his

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his contract was restructured, meaning that he's basically he's lucky
to have the job this year. Um. But obviously it's
it's go time. It's you know, he's got to start
winning games. And they open in Week zero against Northwestern. Yeah,
last year was there were a lot of near misses.
That team at times looked really good and at times didn't. Um,

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Scott Frost has got to find a way to win
at a school that it's hard to recruit at. Because again,
and we've talked about this many times, you've gotten so
far away from Nebraska being good that almost nobody that
you're recruiting I can remember when you were good. It
has to be like your parents telling you, hey, I

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remember tom osborn in with Tommy Frasier, like and then
you've got to go find those clips on YouTube. It's
that becomes a problem. And the part of the country, like,
it's not the it's not Miami, it's not a place
where it's gonna be as easy. So that's an issue
for Scott Frost and he was in Florida before that.
The other thing I'm gonna point this out real quick,

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even though I'm in Tennessee. This is not a biased comment.
But the dude that replaced Scott Frost, Josh Hypel, right now,
I think his standing is higher than Scott Frost is. Oh,
no doubt, and that that's that's something I'm not sure
you would have had on the Bengo card three years ago. No,
and you know it speaks to uh, you know, you
don't want to discredit what Scott Frost did, but um,

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you know, really good recruiting base down there in Florida. Um,
you know, I forget the stat but it was like
the year before Scott Frost got to UCF, they I
think they were winless, but the year before that they
won like nine or ten games. And so he inherited talent.
He's in a great recruiting base. He has success. He
goes to Nebraska and it has not translated yet, by

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the way to sacred to just get in my ear,
uh that the game is in Dublin. So for those
of you, you know whatever, it will be a two
thirty or excuse me, a twelve thirty Eastern kickoff on
Fox and week zero. But no, I mean I think
all that's right, and I don't think anybody cares right.
I mean, you know, at at a certain point, and
you know, it's one thing to Jason is I don't

(01:49:08):
by the way, I don't think anybody has used I
think everything you said is is factually correct. Credit to
nobody at Nera. Nobody's using that as an excuse, and
it's certainly not an excuse when you're so competitive and
you're so close in so many games. Um, you know
you can't say that, oh, we just can't get guys
at Nebraska. When it's a touchdown loss at Oklahoma, when
it's a three point loss to Michigan, when it's a

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a nine point loss to Ohio State where you had
a chance late in the fourth quarter to take a lead,
they obviously go down and score after you turn the
ball over on down. So Nebraska is an interesting one.
Last one before we take a quick break and head
back to the Saeger. I'll tell you that's who who
I think is interesting is Texas. I mean another one
that um, you know, five and seven last year for

(01:49:50):
people forget what was it a six game losing streak
right in the middle of the year. I think it
was basically the longest in modern history, and they're another one.
They crushed the portal. Sark has all sorts of momentum
after getting arch manning, and absolutely none of it matters.
They play Alabama and week two. I think everybody will
forgive Steve Sarkisian if he doesn't win that game. But
you start losing the games that Texas isn't supposed to

(01:50:12):
lose to. And we know who those games are in
that in that conference, and they've lost a lot of
those over the years. I know everybody. I know it's
nothing but sunshine and rainbows down there in Austin right now.
But you take one too bad losses in September early October,
that whole hamster wheel starts all over again to Texas. Yeah,
and I think there's another thing and always needs to
be talked about as relates to people that are going

(01:50:35):
to be on your campus. Until they're there, they're not
They're correct. Uh. The one thing I'll make the Tennessee
reference one more time. I have said the most important
thing for Tennessee this year is to build upon what
they did last year and not fall apart. They end
up a five win team this year is Nico gonna
look at that and still come to Knox Violle, Is
he gonna change his mind? It's the same thing, right

(01:50:56):
if Texas looks like a bad program and and the
blooms off the Sarkas and rows, Arch doesn't have to
go there, Like he's not there yet. I know there's
in I l deals and all this stuff, but hey, man,
like you've got to keep on doing something like you've
got to. You've got to actually be the place where
the people that have said they're coming to you actually

(01:51:19):
want to go. And if you start to fall apart,
if things aren't going well, I'm gonna reopen my recruitment.
You know where we've seen this happen even recently in
college basketball and in college football. I look at that
and I just say, it's important for Texas to win
and and at least be pretty solid this year because
you don't want second guessing from the guys that aren't.

(01:51:41):
They're wondering, is this really where I want to go?
Like it, I might actually be able to go somewhere
else and win bigger and put myself in a better
level and all this kind of stuff. It may not
affect it. And maybe that's me being a little conspiracy theorist.
But if it, but if I'm a recruit, I want
to see the program where I'm headed to flourishing. I
want to see them in a good place when I
get in there. It's it is something to be said

(01:52:03):
for building it from nowhere and all this kind of stuff,
But what's the task, what's the challenge, what's the advantage
and what's the standing of the brand when I get there?
I think that's important, zero doubt. And as you noted,
I mean it's it's great to get a commitment in
June and start to build a big class around him,
But um doesn't have to sign anything until until December,

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and there's gonna be a lot decided between now and then.
This is Fox Sports Radio Eron towards Jason Martin. Uh,
it is a busy Saturday night. We are coming up
on college football, still plenty of baseball as well. Steve
Disager's gonna join us as he does every week at
around twelve forty five Eastern, to discuss a busy Saturday
in sports. To Sagar's next Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody,

(01:52:45):
Fox Sports Radio Aeron towards Jason Martin. Here Saturday night,
as we do every Saturday around twelve forty five Eastern Time,
to bring in Steve to Sager for an extended update
to Saga, tell us everything that happened in the world
of sports today. Well, we will get to the Pro
Football Hall of Fame in a moment, but I cannot
pass up the chance to play three clips of greatness

(01:53:07):
of Vince Gully and one that I had never heard
before researching it this weekend. Now the first clip, and
we talked about this earlier in the show, how he
would kind of slate things for belief. He had Sandy
kofax Is no hitters, which of course included his final one,
a perfect game nineteen sixty five. This was just after
the third out on the Dodgers Radio Network on the

(01:53:29):
strawboard in right field. It is ninety six pm in
the City of the Angels, Los Angeles, California, and a
crowd of twenty nine thousand and thirty nine just sitting
in to see the only pitcher in baseball history, the
herald four no hit, no run games. He has done

(01:53:50):
a course right years and now he capted on his
fourth no hitter. He made it up perfect game and
Sandy Kovak. His name will always remind you of strikeouts.
Good it with a claren. He struck out the last
sixth consecutive vat so when he wrote his name in

(01:54:12):
capital letters in the record books, that case Sam's out
even more than the O U f ai. It's just perfect.
Fernando Valenzuela was an obviously influential Dodger of the nineteen eighties,
but he missed the playoff run due to injury. He
was still a Dodger his last year with the Dodgers,

(01:54:32):
as it turned out, and he was throwing a no
hitter two outs in the ninth against the Cardinals. Fernando
al ready in the strike to pitch his head back
to the box, dribbling the second Samuel on the bags
the first double play. Fernando Valenzuela has pitched a no
hitter at ten seventeen in the evening of June the

(01:54:55):
twenty nine. If you have a sumbrero, throw it to
the sky and then he would just let the crowd go.
We will talk about that in a moment. With this
third and final clip we mentioned, he of course did
plenty of All Star Games in World Series for NBC,
but before and after he did a lot of World

(01:55:16):
Series for national radio on CBS. We all heard watching
TV Joe Carter's game winning home run in Toronto in
the ninety three World Series Sean mcdunno against Philadelphia. Well
on the radio it was Vin Anderson a second malat
at birth, one out of the ninth, six five Philadelphia,
Donald Meyra and Cassio throwing in case of x Renning

(01:55:39):
fast ball is h Field down the line in the corner,
and he just let the crowd go hardly. The only
time he did this in a big moment, I mean
thirty forty five seconds, which is an eternity in radio.

(01:56:00):
But when he was a kid, he used to sit
under the big radio in the living room just so
he could be enveloped by the crowd noise. He adored
the roar of the crowd, and he also said, in
moments like this, what am I going to say? They won?
What am I going to add to this? This added
to the drama and he would let it go. As

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for the NFL, we had the Pro Football Hall of
Fame exhibition this week and the Hall of Fame ceremonies
to induct the eight men in enshrinement today the Hall
of Fame Exhibition game the Raiders win over the Jaguars
on Thursday Night for NBC. It was actually the second
least watched edition of the Hall of Fame game in
the past decade. But context again, TV ratings are down

(01:56:42):
for pretty much everything in television. The NFL is still king.
Let me put it to you this way. Thursday Night,
the number one rated TV show was the preseason game
with the Raiders and the Jaguars, with all those starters
sitting comfortably number one, five and a half million people watching.
Let me put it to you this way. Remember there
was the weather delay at the beginning, so starting eight

(01:57:05):
pm Eastern Time, Prime time, the first forty minutes there
was no game. They were just talking football. That was
the number two rated show of Thursday night, four point
one million for no game those first forty minutes of
the eight pm hour. As for the Hall of Fame
candidates for next year listed as first time eligibles tackled

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Joe Thomas from the Browns was Cleveland for over a decade,
James Harrison, former linebacker the Steelers, and others. Dwight Freeney
from the Colts and others. Derrell Ribas from the Jets
and others among the eight men getting into the hall
this year and again the ceremony was today. It was
a daytime ceremony. Tony Boselli, Cliff Branch, former coach, Dick
for Meal, as well Leroy Butler, Sam Mills, Richard Seymour,

(01:57:47):
Bryant Young, and also Art McNally Di saga real quick.
They usually do it at night. Am I crazy? Is there? Yeah?
Do you? Is there a reason they did it during
the day today? No. I could only think because it
had been forty eight hours separating from the Thursday night.
That's all I could figure. But we've had Thursday night,
you know. The way they've done things recently, especially now
that we have a field they can rely on in

(01:58:10):
Canton where the games they branded training camp. They branded
training camp last week, that's right. Anything for marketing exactly,
what's got people out of Canton before Saturday night, That's
all I could think of. But you're correct, many a
Saturday night where we've heard speeches go along into the evening.
But no, it was notable that it was daytime. It
had been years. It's happened before, but it's been years

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There are two NFL exhibitions on Thursday, plenty of games
after that through next weekend. Boston Scott Eagles running back
misspractice due to a concussion. The Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow
course still out indefinitely after his appendeck Tomy. Steeler's depth
chart is out and quarterback Mitchell Trabisky is number one
on at Mason Rudolph number two. Kenny Pickett, rookie from

(01:58:53):
pitt is number three, a rookie offensive lineman fifth rounder
with the Giants. Marcus mckeffin out for the season with
a torn a c L and more starters are going
to be sitting next weekend. We know already ravens QB.
Lamar Jackson among those who will sit there first exhibition
which is Thursday. Baltimore hasn't lost a preseason game since,
oddly enough, twenty straight exhibition victories. Thank you. Bernie Fretto

(01:59:18):
always has the great stats on John Harbaugh, one of
the few coaches that seemingly always plays hard and the
has these guys play hard in the preseason. Of course,
as sere just said, no Lamar Jackson this week. We
will have Bernie next hour, though Bernie Frido join us
about twenty minutes from now. One hour left here on
Fox Sports Saturday, Eron towards Jason Martin. Still a lot
to cover in the NFL college football, Plus, Bernie Frado

(01:59:40):
joins us. This is Fox Sports. Are welcome in everybody
our four Fox Sports Radio Aeron Torres, Jason Martin, top
of the hour, Bernie Fratto Stranda Vegas will follow us.
Bernie will also join us in about twenty minutes. Uh,
Bernie grew up in l A, played college baseball. I know,
gonna have a ton of really good stuff on the

(02:00:02):
passing of Vince Scully and all of course, you know,
plenty of good stuff on pretty much everything. Bernie Frado
joining us twenty minutes from now. Jason, we lad the
show three hours ago, just just kind of talking that
that this is the week that it feels like, you know,
good and bad in terms of the types of stories
that we've gotten, but just so much going on. Uh

(02:00:23):
And by the way, if anybody missed any of it,
you can go back and listen to Jason and I
talking about Deshaun Watson, talking about Kyler Murray, talking about
obviously the passing of Vince Scully as well the Wan
Soto trade. Jason, you know, football might not really be
here yet, but it's it's here. Obviously. We don't have
another Thursday through Saturday without college without football Thursday through

(02:00:44):
Sunday pretty much till the middle of February. It's back.
It's just good. It's just good to have everything back.
It just felt like this week it was one story
after the other after the other. We are getting back
to business, my friend, Yeah, we are. And look, we
got fake football that's already been played one game which
we heard to say or talk about. Yeah, the ratings

(02:01:05):
were down, but still higher than everything else for a
game where no one really was playing except Josh Jacobs.
I appreciate you not giving him that fifth year option
and then having other guys. It's clear that they want
to look at him, which is really interesting, and that's
gonna be another storyline this year. But yeah, we're getting
actual stories, like, yeah, Deshaun is still here, but now

(02:01:27):
we actually can kind of push that to the wayside
a little bit, not over talk it the way that
maybe we were sort of used to there for a
bit because I was getting tired of doing it. We
did talk about it earlier, because of course we did,
because it's not fully over. But now we've got training camps.
Now we got Aaron Rodgers talking about what a great

(02:01:47):
lover he is. I mean, what, yeah, that's what he said.
I have no idea imagine if he did, though, that
would make for an interesting segment. But yeah, that would
be Now, that'd make for more than a segment. I'd
probably have quite a bit of content on that situation.
But I did hear. Dan Patrick suggests maybe that's why
Davonte Adams wanted out. It's like, yeah, you know what,

(02:02:09):
I'm good on the whole you're a good lover thing. Like,
I don't know that there's anybody in the locker room
that needed to hear that brought it, brought the Karma
Sutra into the locker room, started chare anyway t M
t M I from us, but not t M I
from Aaron Rodgers. Here is what he said earlier this week.
It was a very deep and meaningful a couple of
nights uh ceremony, and I came back and knew that

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I was never going to be the same And like
you said, it doesn't you don't do that and then
not for me, I didn't do that and think, oh,
I've never playing football again. No, it It gave me
a deep and meaningful appreciation for life. I really feel
like that set me on my course to be able
to go back in to my job and have a

(02:02:50):
different perspective on things, and then to be way more
free at work as a leader, as a teammate, as
a friend, as a love. And I really feel like
that experience paved the way for me to have the
best season in my career. That was Aaron Rodgers on
the Aubrey Either one, whichever one. What I do with

(02:03:16):
my private life stays private. Alright, let's let's let's let's
let's let's keep that straight. But that was the Aubrey
Marcus podcast. That was Aaron Rodgers speaking about many things,
including his uh, you know, his fortitude, and things away
from the football field as well. But let me ask you,
I mean, you do you do in the Monday through
Friday show? You obviously I don't. I don't have to
comment on all this stuff right away. I do a

(02:03:37):
lot of different stuff, but one of them is not
talking NFL necessarily five days a week. What what was
the reaction of of Jason Martin and Ramon Foster on
Thursday or Friday morning when this sound first came out. Yeah,
so we barely talked about it. Um we talked about
Hiawaska just a little bit, and I was just kind
of like, my take on it is, this is so
Aaron Rodgers. It hurts like this is exactly what he's

(02:03:59):
been building towards. Like he he goes from Olivia Mann
to Danna Kirpatrick to um Shaleene Woodley and there's videos
ahead of them and Miles Teller like hanging out somewhere
on rock in Denver. Uh, you know, this is what
he's been building towards. And then now it's a witch
and he's like, well, you know, my girlfriend had to

(02:04:22):
uh answer all these No, she's a witch, like she's
she's a witch in the in the holistic sense. And
I don't know if she's got a cauldron and she's
casting spells on Jared go in the NFC North or
anything like that, but maybe we keep an eye on that.
See if he starts, you know, spitting up blood like
the Ultimate Warrior back in the day. But this is
so Aaron Rodgers, like the way he showed up with

(02:04:43):
the con Air thing and all this, and I remember
Verde Ram in the first hour talking about how you
know this is just you know, there's there's other things
and all this. It seems to me he's a guy
that's trying to make you think there's a lot more
to his life than football, which tells me his whole
like this whole idea that he's gonna win another championship thing.

(02:05:04):
I don't know that I believe it. Okay, really a
matter of fact, I don't believe it because I think
Davante Adams leaving. I just don't think Alan Lazard and
a bunch of rookies are going to outduel Tom Brady,
Matthew Stafford and maybe not even the Minnesota Vikings. Let
let me jump in on that because I actually brought
this up last week with Arnie Spanier and he thought
I was crazy, which is ironic, Yeah, ironic. And so

(02:05:28):
when I saw the con Air picture, Um, what it
said to me, this was obviously before the podcast interview
that came out this week, Um is like, like I said, again,
it's I said with Matthew Stafford the elbow earlier. It's
not everything, but it's not nothing either, And On the
one hand, when I saw the con Air picture, I
was like, oh, you know, look at look at Aaron Rodgers.

(02:05:49):
You know, he's having fun. He's not taking himself too seriously.
But then I, you know, I dove into it kind
of just in my own thought process, and I kind
of said to myself, I was like, you know, it
seems as though he's in that point of his career
where it's just like, you know what, I don't care
what anybody says. I don't care what anybody thinks. I'm
gonna dress how I want to dress. I'm gonna pose

(02:06:11):
for goofy pictures. And what I said to Arnie, And
this was before the interview, by the way, I said,
I don't know if I like that, if I'm a
Packers fan. I mean, you know, it's one thing if
Tom Brady gets goofy on on Instagram after he's won
six Super Bowls, Aaron Rodgers, whatever the stats are, he's
got a losing record in the playoffs since he wanted
Super Bowl one super Bowl they obviously lost the last

(02:06:32):
two years after being the number one seed at home
in the NFC playoffs. Again, I'm not saying it's everything
and you know you want him out of town, like
you having Aaron Rodgers. Life is better with Aaron Rodgers
and without him. But I don't know that I want
my guy that has perennially underachieved in the postseason walking
into training camp kind of with a I'm just here

(02:06:54):
having a good time, don't really care what anybody thinks attitude.
That was what I told Arnie last week. Add to that,
look how much money he got paid in the off season.
If I'm a Packers fan, you better care about winning,
because basically your money is one of the big reasons
Davante left. Maybe these comments and maybe just wanted to
be around their car, or just being tired of the circus.

(02:07:17):
Like everything surrounded Aaron Rodgers. Nobody's talking about Davante Adams
contract and that then he ends up leaving, and that
might have been another thing. It's like, I'm fed up
with not ever being taken. It's just like you just
assume I'm gonna be here, but you gotta worry about
Aaron Rodgers said, Oh, well, he finally showed up with
the uh Kevin versus the chili shirt last year in
the off season, so I guess he's gonna be back

(02:07:38):
now and now him and Guda constant everything else that's
working out, like eventually the circus and Tabloid's gotta pay
off or you end up, like you know, Prince Harry
Uh not in a good spot, and people wondering what
Megan Markel is right now? Aaron Rodgers is Megan Markle
Like he's getting frustrating because he's not doing any winning

(02:07:58):
for you in January And so the one question I
didn't get to ask, but to ask Verderan, and basically
what we've both just said would indicate I don't know
if Aaron Rodgers even cares. What is Aaron Rodgers legacy
if he ends his career with one Super Bowl the
way that he's been talked about over the last decade,
to go one in five in NFC Championship games, to
lose that game and just look poor doing it last

(02:08:23):
year as the one seed against the San Francisco forty Niners, Like,
what is the legacy of Aaron Rodgers at that point?
Because it almost seems like to me he kind of
underperformed those expectations because that's a lot of numbers, and
it's a lot of talent, and I get all that
but one super Bowl. I know it's hard to win one,
it's hard to even get to one. But we were

(02:08:44):
talking like this duke was gonna be dynastic, and that
has not been the case, not in the playoffs. It's
it is really interesting to think about. And I think
at this point, you know, if Bernie Fratto was giving
us uh odds out in Vegas about will he win
a super Bowl versus will he not win a super Bowl?
Of the course of the end of of the rest
of his career. I believe he's gonna be thirty nine
this year, so I bet the odds are pretty strong

(02:09:07):
that that it's more likely that he doesn't want a
super Bowl at this point than he does. And it's funny,
right because I think when you when you think of
like wasted talent in sports, you think of guys that
that don't care, didn't put in the work, you know.
I think about the NBA where Ben Simmons like just
doesn't I don't know what's going on, don't know what's
going on between the year. Is not going to speculate,
but this guy is right now wasted talent. James Harden,

(02:09:30):
incredibly talented, doesn't doesn't elevate himself in the playoff. Wasted talent.
Aaron Rodgers like, it's not wasted talent because he's won
a lot of individual awards. But again it's it's it's
winning when it matters. And so this isn't obviously the
conversation to have today. And and in theory, I guess
he could win a Super Bowl, but I do wonder

(02:09:51):
what that legacy would be of Like, you know, he's
one of the greatest talents we've ever seen. Loved him,
but he had a lot of bites at that apple,
and he never you know, he never got back to
where we where we thought he could be. It's just
an interesting thought process that I hadn't really thought about
what we would think of him if he does retire.
As you said, he's very open and not afraid to
talk about it. I'd be interesting to think about what
we would actually say about him if if and if

(02:10:13):
and when it ends, if he doesn't want another Super Bowl,
which I think is unlikely at this point. I just
wondered what the Packers fan to think at that point, Like,
I mean, he won one, so did Brett Farve, and
you know, Farv was revered and Aaron Rodgers has been
talked of in in such high terms for such a
long time, you have to think, even though you understand
how difficult it is and it had been a minute

(02:10:35):
and all those kinds of things, if you're a Packers fan,
how many Super Bowls do you think you would have
if you go back to when he won his first one?
The way he was talked about by everybody in our
industry as a Packers fan, what was reasonable to think
he probably had three by now, right, like at least
and he's got one. He's got one. He's got the
same number as Tread Dilford, in the same number as

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Brad Johnson. And I think that that's important to talk
about because when you start talking about all time guys, uh,
there's always gonna be a Bloomers Show night record if
you didn't win a championship. With all due respect to
Dan Marino and Charles Barkley and guys like that, all
time greats and some of my all time favorites, Uh,
there's a difference in winning a championship. Doesn't mean I
think Trent Dilfer is a better player than Dan Marino.

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But that's a glaring omission and there's a difference between
winning one and winning multiples, asked Peyton Manning Peyton, look,
I'm a Brocko, saying he did not win that Super
Bowl for us. He would have won the one the
year before, the one a year before that, but he
was done in the year that he was carried to
it by Von Miller in that defense, but him having
the second Super Bowl means a lot. I wonder if

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Aaron Rodgers realizes, because I think Russ does, and I
think that's why he left. I think Russ wants multiple
super Bowls and it's been a while since he's gotten
even close to one, and he didn't see it happening
in Seattle. He seems driven to win. Aaron Rodgers seems
driven to be Aaron Rodgers, oh a thousand percent. And

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I think, you know, to kind of wrap on this
that that is, you know, another thought if you just
kind of go back to everything, not just the you know,
the the interview or the way he came into training camp,
but like I think it all speaks to a bigger
picture of you know, again, it's not a lack of
self awareness, but you know, like the Connor thing is

(02:12:24):
fun and it's goofy, and it's this, and it's that,
but it's also like, again he's aloof he doesn't really care.
He's having the time of his life. I don't know
that I would want that out of a guy that
just lost the single most important weapon that he has.
Like like, it's not and by the way, it's not, oh,
you can't show up to training camp, Tress goofy, but like,
like it seems to me as though he isn't really

(02:12:45):
phased about not about not having Davanta Adams there. He's
not really phased about what war're saying about him and
his legacy. And again, maybe to your point earlier, it's
it's proof that he has things outside of football that
he's interested in that it doesn't matter to him. But
you also see a guy with the immense potential that
he has all of the opportunities that he's had, and

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it's a little bit disappointing at this point. It's a
little bit disappointing that he doesn't have more than one
super Bowl. Yeah, he's he's behaving, and even the stuff
that he's talking about the Hiawaska and oh these is
these experiences and a witch and all these other kinds
of things. It's he's kind of going through a midlife
crisis as an athlete. Like the way he's behaving and

(02:13:27):
the things that he's doing this whole like care free attitude.
That's the stuff that happens before a fifty year old
goes into therapy. Right Like, he's like you just well,
I would say this, but he probably already owns one,
Like he just bought up Maserati, like out of nowhere,
even though they live in a suburban house, to cost
two d dollars, Like what what exactly happened right here?
All of a sudden his hair came back, Like everything

(02:13:50):
about how he has operated over the past few years,
it's been trending towards more and more eccentric and weird.
And that's just like, that's the kind of thing you
expect from a midlife crisis. So I'm not saying that's
what he's doing. I'm saying that, if you wanted to
make that comparison, I'm here for it. A lot of
a lot of thoughts on Aaron Rodgers, but we'll wrap

(02:14:11):
on that because it is just a surreal it's just
a surreal like it's just a weird story. But it's
also not weird if you've been following the last couple
of years of Aaron Riders careers. Jason said, Fox Sports Radio,
aeron towards Jason Martin coming up, Bernie Frado joins us
for Vegas. He'll have all sorts of good stuff on
this upcoming NFL season, obviously. Uh. Thursday night, the opening

(02:14:33):
of preseason, Vince s Gully Bernie Frido discussing it all
next Fox Sports Radio, What up everybody? Fox Sports Radio.
I just went in like DJ Torres over there, what
up everybody? Sorry? The Bernie Fratto walk up music got
me in the mood. When you hear Big pimpin ten
twenty Pacific one twenty Eastern time on a Saturday into

(02:14:55):
Sunday means one thing. Bernie Frido straight on Vegas joined us. Bernie,
what's up man? How you do doing great? Guys? Uh?
So I heard Thesiger call up the Fernando Valenezuela no hitter.
Little known fact in one, Vince Scully lost a tryout
to Pat summer All at CBS to call NFL games
alongside John Madden because Scully's partner, Hank Stram, was retiring

(02:15:19):
and What was interesting is that pretty much did it
for him, except they decaturday gave him one last game,
a consolation game to throw him a bone, and ended
up being the Dwight Clark catch game. Vin on that call,
So Burne, you know I mentioned it earlier, but uh,
you know you growing up in in in l A.
Um you were a baseball player. People don't know you

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played college baseball. But one thing I was saying is
that you know, kids literally grew up on Vince Scully, right,
I mean, you know, hundred sixty two games a year
for their entire childhood, into their adulthood, into their late adulthood. Uh,
somebody who grew up in l a. Uh. You know,
I don't know how much you got to listen to Inn,
but I assume it was quite a bit. Is that,

(02:16:00):
first of all? Is that a fair assessment that kids
in l a for you know, decade upon decade, generation
upon generation, really grew up on Vince Scully one million percent.
I've always said, if you heard Vince Gully's voice anywhere,
and most of the folks giving commentary about him this
week didn't grow up in south of California, But if
you heard his voice anywhere you had a ticket to

(02:16:21):
broadcast paradise. But if you grew up in southern California,
you had a front row seat. I got to meet
him in my cost professor Terry Bales, who worked for
Associated Press, wanted me to be a writer, and I said, now,
they don't make any money. I was an idiot. I
wish I had started my career earlier. The bottom line
is this. We go to Dodger Stadium, we go to
the press box. I introduced. He introduces me to Vince Scully,

(02:16:43):
and I'm lame. I'm twenty three. I'm like I said, Mr,
Mr Scully, it must be really great, man. You get
to come here every day and broadcast baseball, and you
must love baseball born anything else. He looks at me
with a straight face and says, you know, you give
me a sunny day and afternoon at the ballpark and
a pretty girl by my side, and you can have
the sunny day in the afternoon at the ballpark. It

(02:17:04):
floored all of us. I'm going, this is a guy
with incredible dimensions. And you hear that voice on the radio,
but then you hear it in person. To wait a minute,
that's really his real voice. I thought this was coming
down from Mars. No one's got a voice like this.
But my two favorite Vince Gully stories. When he was
in high school, his best friend was a guy named
Larry Megans. Larry was a baseball player, and they were

(02:17:25):
sitting around one day and said talking to each other
and said, what do you want to do when you
when you grow up? And Larry said, well, I want
to be a major league BAM player. How about you, Vin, Vince,
because well, I want to be an announcer. I wanted
to be one since I was eight years old. Eight
years later, nineteen fifty two, Larry Megans is playing for
the St. Louis Browns. The St. Louis Brown's traveled at
Ebbottsfield to play the Brooklyn Dodgers. Vince Scully is on

(02:17:46):
the call. Larry Megans hits his first career home run
that day, only one of two he hitting his entire career.
Scully admits, it's the only time you ever cried behind
the microphone. The second thing is night. Brooklyn moves to
Los Ange jelists can PC says we're not sure we
want Vince Gully as our announcer. Peter O'Malley wouldn't hear
of it obviously the rest of his history. Can you

(02:18:08):
imagine if the Dodgers would have come to Los Angeles
without Vince Gully. I mean, somebody was gonna have to
tell the stories of of any franchise. I mean you
can always look in the name and say, well, someone
else would have done the gigs, like well, you know,
if if Michael J. Fox hadn't played Marty Marty McFly,
someone would have Back to the Future would have been made.
But I think that undercuts the fact. And I mentioned

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this earlier, Bernie and you can speak to it, just
what are the Dodgers without Vince Gully being the one
that authored the stories like the only he wasn't a character,
but he kind of was, like he was able to
actually tell you, uh, the story of the Dodgers. He
was the guy. He was the biographer basically because he

(02:18:52):
was the voice of that team. And I just I
just don't know what the Dodgers are. I don't know
if they're anywhere near as big without Vince Scully being
the guy that did that. Again, you're spot on. What
would the Yankees have been without Babe Ruth? And I am,
this is not hyperbolic. The transistory in the air air
and you asked, I I started listening to Vince Scully
by accident with a you know, with a earbud in

(02:19:15):
my ear when I was twelve years old and transistor radio.
Because it was magic. You can't explain it. You go
to the stadium and everybody was would be listening to
their transistor radio in the stadium. And finally got to
a point where the Dodgers realized, hey, you know, why
don't we just pipe Vince Gully through the stadium. So
if you had to get up and go to the
restroom where you went to the concession stand to get

(02:19:35):
something heat, you would miss anything because Vince Gully was omnipresent.
I'll never forget. In two thousand three, fast forward, I'm
now a full fledged member of the media. I have
been for ten years. The Dodgers come to Detroit for
a three game series, I can't wait to say hello
to Vin Scully. Had been twenty two years. I wanted
to say something clever. Vince Gully didn't make the trip

(02:19:56):
at that point in his career. He wasn't making every
road trip. Charlie Stearner was there, and it it dawned
on me while one was the only time I ever
met him, and it it meant the world. Burne, let's
switch gears. Let's talk obviously, uh NFL. I mean what
first of all, take us into what was Thursday night? Like, Um,

(02:20:16):
you know we talked with Arnie last week when you
were with me and Arnie when Jason was covering wrestling
in Nashville. But preseason, even though starters sit out, even
though this happens, that happens whatever, I'm guessing, it didn't
slow down the handle over the sports books last week. No,
it went crazy. Uh if you noticed the game went
from Jacksonville minus one Friday night check that Wednesday night

(02:20:38):
to the Raiders minus two and a half by kickoff
on Thursday. Why because once it got out that Josh
McDaniels was returning to his old high school stadium, Kenton
McKinley High School, where he played, where he coached, where
his father was a legendary coach, and they won state
championships there, word got out that the Raiders are gonna
play this like a super Bowl, and nowy we're gonna

(02:20:59):
play their starters there. And then Josh Jacobs, and people
can debate whether or not they were showcasing. Of course
they were showcasing him. Why do you start a bell
call like that in beginning of the game. But the
Raiders played with a lot of spirit. They wanted to
win one for Josh. I missed out. I didn't bet
the game. But it's another example of a situation where, yes,
in the preseason you typically have one team that wants

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it more than the other. They play as such, and
you don't get that kind of edge in the regular season.
So bettters cash big on the Raiders and the pros
came in. I missed out on it, but that was
the reason. Once they realized that Josh McDaniels had this
homecoming to his old high school and wasn't going to
be denied. That changed the dynamic of the game. Bernie, Um,
how how is Vegas handling or maybe misshandling in some

(02:21:41):
cases the Shawn and the situation with the Browns first
when it was a six game deal, and of course
now we have no idea what it's gonna be a
good question. So what happened was Monday morning, which is
I think it was about six am specific time. The
book suggested immediately when it looked like the on Watson
would only be getting a six game suspension, you had

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a situation where to get to the Super Bowl, the
Browns immediately went from thirty to one to twenty to
one to when the a f C totally went from
sixteen to one to ten to one. Just to win
the a f C North, they went from three to
one to two to one, and just to make the playoffs,
they now became even money. What's interesting, the biggest full paw,
and I think this was Draft Kings. There was a

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time when DraftKings had Cleveland's over under win total season
win tool at eight and a half. Then it crept
to nine. Monday when it was announced that Josh or
Check that Deshaun Watson would have a six six game suspension,
it went to nine and a half. So hear me
out here. You could be holding a ticket of over

(02:22:45):
eight and a half and the minute it goes to
nine and a half, you got the under. You got
the ultimate free roll at nine. So it was a
situation the books don't want to find themselves in, but
clearly it was an overreaction. I think you're gonna see
things change quite a bit here in the next couple
of weeks. I am tooled by sources I trust very
much that not only does the NFL won a full season,

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they're shooting for a ten million dollar fine and a
treatment program, so we can't return to the field until
he completes it. That's really good stuff, Burn Bernie. Yeah,
Bernie Fratto, stright out of Vegas. Top of the hour.
Burn always delivers on all sorts of good stuff. Very
good information there. I know, Bernie, you're gonna have more
on that Deshaun Watson news. He just shared more Vince
Scully stories. Also, of course, make sure to follow Bernie

(02:23:27):
on Twitter at Bernie Fratto. Burnie, appreciate the time, and
we'll be listening at the top of the hour. Thanks
for having me, guys, really appreciate it. That was Bernie Fratto,
straight out of Vegas. Listening to him at the top
of the hour. Jason, how about we react to what
Bernie Fritto just said. Well, we come back before we
do final time this evening, Let's get to Steve to
sig with what's trending? Hello once again, and I'm glad

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Bernie brought this up. Vince Scully had talked about that.
The nuns at his elementary school had a sign right
in essay what do you want to be when you
grew up? And this kid wrote, I want to be
a sportscaster and had all the detail. I mean's age eight,
who at that age in that decade was thinking about
sports broadcaster as a profession. And yes, you could hear

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Vin's voice in many parts of Dodger Stadium years ago,
fans brought their radios. People who had tickets and had
the game in front of them brought the radios just
so they could listen to Vince Scully. I recently watched
a nine World Series black and white telecast, and sure enough,
when the network announcer paused, you could hear Vin in
the background. Well. As far as these Dodgers, they've won

(02:24:32):
seven in a row, eight three the final over San
Diego Max Munsey with a three run homer, Mookie Betts
three hits, three runs scored the Dodgers against the Padres.
Have won sixteen of their last eight teen head to
head matchups. Clayton Kershow is on the injured list. The
Dodger pitcher got an epidural shot in his back recently
left side the right was the problem. Earlier in the year,

(02:24:54):
Padre short staff Fernando Tatis Jr. Started a rehab assignment
at Double A. He went over to with two walks
to night. The Cigay, who had risk surgery in March,
still hasn't played in the majors this year. Boy am
I looking forward to the National League playoffs in October.
It's not just Dodgers Mets. The Cardinals won their six
in a row, beat the Yankees one nothing today, hold

(02:25:15):
the normally potent Yankee offense to two for twenty eight.
Nolan Aaronado with an RBI single in the first inning
and x Yankee Jordan Montgomery just acquired when five shoutout
innings for the wind and the Brewers lost at home
seven five to the Red. So the Cardinals are alone
in first in the NL Central and then you've got
Mets Braves. They played a double header kind of like

(02:25:35):
the Seattle double header tonight. It was to make up
one of the game's miss due to the lockout in
early April. Mets swept Atlanta eight five and six two.
In the nightcap, Max Scherzer got the win. He's eight
and two. You could have and I've looked at the standings.
You could have remember there's an extra wild card, a
Braves versus Padres wild card series. There is no wild

(02:25:59):
card game any more. It's a best of three series
and whoever is the higher seed will get all three
games at their home. And the Padres are only three
and a half behind the Braves. Was still two months
to go. Looking ahead at the standings, the top two teams,
top two division winners in each league will get that
new first round off. By the way, and Max Scherzer
and I think it was last night justin Verlander as well.

(02:26:21):
One again, those two guys. According to Stats Inc. The
first pair of pictures age thirty eight year older to
have their season e r A is this late beat
under two at since nine they're just going like it's
ten years ago. I mean erser was eleven strikeouts, no
walks tonight seven scoreless innings. The Mets are not only
first in the NL East, there five and a half

(02:26:43):
games over the Braves. Picture Jacob deGrom will start tomorrow's
game for the Mets. Edwin Diaz, the Mets closer, is
having a great year. He got to save in the
opener his twenty Francisco Lindor with three hits and three
r b I s and looking ahead to October. Mets
fans tonight taunted the Brave in the ninth inning of
the nightcap by performing the Tomahawk chop Cleveland in Minnesota

(02:27:06):
each one as they battle for the a L Central lead.
The Twins still two games up on Cleveland. Baltimore won
its fifth straight You know, the Orioles could be in
the playoffs this year. Seattle has the longest playoff drout
in any of the four major sports in North America,
about twenty years. Seattle could be in the playoffs this year.
Those Orioles, their last five years have been horrid. They've
lost over a hundred game three times and I was

(02:27:27):
a hundred ten losses last year. And yet despite trading
way a couple recently, they are fighting for that new
extra wildcard birth in the American League. Phillies won their
fourth straight game Detroit and the Cubs with wins A
reminder of the Cubs Field of Dreams game in Iowa
is Thursday night on Fox TV against the Reds. Sunjay
m is tied for the lead in golf at the

(02:27:48):
Windham Championship in North Carolina, but the third round will
conclude tomorrow after more rain today. The p g A
playoffs start next week Sunday's NASCAR four hundred at Michigan's tomorrow,
with Bubba Wallace earning the poll. Linebacker Kiko Alonso retired.
He had just signed with New Orleans Saints. Wide receiver
Michael Thomas participated in eleven on eleven drills for the
first time in nearly two years, coming back from an

(02:28:09):
ankle injury. Safety to Hron Matthew of New Orleans also
in full team drills for the first time after missing
the beginning of camp for personal reasons. Brown's running back
Kareem Hunt reportedly skipping team drills unhappy with his contract.
Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray returned to practice today after having
COVID back to you. Thank you, Steve to Seger, appreciate
your help. All evening is always Fox Sports Radio errant

(02:28:31):
towards Jason Martin here wrapping up a Saturday night. So Jason,
you know we we opened the show three and a
half hours ago talking about Deshaun Watson. Bernie who you
know for years obviously worked in Detroit cover the Lions
has sources all across UH Sports said that that he
believes we we know the NFL has appealed to Deshaun
Watson six game suspension. That is not news, but Bernie

(02:28:54):
said it falls in line with some reports that the
NFL wants a season long suspension, a fine, and then
also some type of rehabilitation. Uh Bernie putting the number
potentially on a fine at ten million dollars, which I
will say sounds crazy, but it also falls in line
with something that you have been saying for weeks. Jason.

(02:29:14):
I give you credit for being ahead of this, but
you know, before I really heard anybody else talking about it,
the Cleveland Browns giving Deshaun Watson two hundred thirty million
dollars guaranteed, but structuring the contract in a way that
it's very minimal this year, anticipating a lengthy suspension, basically
backloading the contract over the final few years of the
contract so that he would not lose very much in

(02:29:36):
salary this year. So it sounds like uh Bernie's you know,
sourcing very much in line with what you've been saying
is the NFL doesn't want this to be not only
forget the game suspension, but doesn't they. It sounds like
they basically want to punish the Browns for structuring a
contract in a way that you know, we talked about
it earlier. Almost and I don't want to say incentivizes

(02:29:57):
the behavior, but maybe doesn't de incentivize behavior, if that
makes sense. But very much in line with a lot
of stuff that you've been saying for the last couple
of weeks. Yeah, I mean, look, but last year, and
some people keep arguing that Sean served last year. No,
he no, he did not. Every penny he demanded a trade.
He demanded a trade, sat out and got every penny
that he was owned. You know how much he got

(02:30:19):
last year? It was like ten something. So think about
the money that Bernie just mentioned and then reflect back
to last year. It's like, we're gonna take a year
of your salary, Like we're gonna take a year of
what you would have made at the very least. We're
gonna And look, ten is important because ten feels big.
Ten feels a lot bigger than nine. Right, nine million

(02:30:39):
dollars and ten million dollars or one million dollars different,
But ten just hits different. Ten would be substantial and honestly,
that's what I thought. I thought when they came back
an appeal, which I didn't think they had any choice
but to do from an optical standpoint, everything else that
we talked about, I thought, they want a year and
they want ten mill like those of the things that

(02:31:00):
that I have mentioned this week on on our daily show,
and just that that just felt right to me in
terms of what I had heard and what we had
seen in this entire process. And that's kind of where
we are now. Are they gonna get that? I don't know.
Are they gonna end up getting the twelve that they
said they wouldn't settle for less than and a ten
million dollar fine? Maybe maybe it comes down to, all right,

(02:31:21):
you get the season or you get twelve games in
a ten million dollar fine. I think the most important thing,
and this not being in her ruling was really strange.
Why there was not like mandated therapy, like what were
we doing here? Like you you said in the report, Ms.
Robinson that he was untrustworthy, that he showed no remorse,

(02:31:45):
that you didn't believe him, that he engaged in inappropriate behavior,
troubling conduct, all of these things, and yet it's not
actually mandated that did he go and get help for this.
I had heard conflicting reports that maybe he had been
doing that, but the other thing that that always threw
me off. And it's just like, um, I don't know

(02:32:07):
why you would accept six games. I don't know why
you would. Why why why suspend him at all? Then?
Like if he didn't do anything wrong, but if you
if you're admitting he did something wrong, then it needs
to be more than six. So you're looking at this
the NFL is like, what are people going to accept?
What's gonna reflect poorly on the league. What's gonna reflect
is if this actually was a punishment, because six games

(02:32:28):
just doesn't feel like a punishment, like at all. It
doesn't feel like it's punishing the Browns. Certainly doesn't look
like it's penalizing de Shaun Watson considering again, like you
just mentioned the way that contract is structured, nothing looked
like it was actually going to lay a finger on
parties that need to know that that behavior is not okay.
And I honestly think it goes for the Browns too.

(02:32:51):
I think the rest of the league U wants to
give them the stone cold Steve Auston double finger salute
because of that guaranteed deal, especially the Ravens because now
Lamar Jackson seeing that and that becomes potentially his floor.
But two hundred thirty and fully guaranteed. I still would
love to know, and we never will. I would love

(02:33:11):
to know what the other offer was. What was the
second place offer that Cleveland went over the top of.
I don't think it was fully guaranteed. I would love
to know who almost got Deshaun Watson, who was going
to get him before Cleveland said please, please, please, will
give you primaan nocta if you need it, like whatever,
just please come be the Brown's quarterback. And then they
offered him all of this, revealing again how desperate they

(02:33:34):
are and how important a quarterback is in this league,
especially in two, a guy in his prime that has
been steller in his career on the field. You're willing
to give up, basically the reputation of your franchise to
do it, because you're betting that people will forget and
that you will win. The only thing I'll say is
if he plays after six games, which I don't think

(02:33:57):
he's going to now. He would have played against the
Cincinnati Bengals on Monday Night Football on Halloween night, and
can you think of the Halloween costumes. This is Fox
Sports Radio eron Towards Jason Martin. One segment left. We'll
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that's coming up next. We got one segment left. Fox
Sport Tradio, Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio aeron Torres.

(02:34:21):
Jason Martin here, one segment left, ten minutes for now
Bernie Frado Straight of Vegas. Uh, he will be taking
over for us. Bernie is gonna have a ton of
good stuff on. Vince Scully on All sorts of good stuff,
Bernie Fratto at the top of the hour, Jason, we
got one segment left. And here's the thing. By the

(02:34:41):
time we get back on air next week, we're gonna
have a week's worth of preseason football pretty much done. Now.
We got a Sunday night game next week, but other
than that, we got preseason football on Thursday, preseason football Friday,
preseason football Saturday. I'm not gonna ask for any predictions.
I mean, is there anything you're looking for, anybody that
you're excited to want to anything? In these games? I

(02:35:03):
don't know who's playing and who isn't. But is there
anything that you're keeping your eye on in week one
of the preseason? I mean, you always want to see
what the quarterbacks look like, if there's somebody new out there,
or whatever. I mean, not really, I mean, preseason football
is preseason football. The one thing you do is you
sit around and you pray people don't get hurt, and
that's what you want to see. You just don't want
to see the a c L news, the torn achilles news,

(02:35:26):
separated shoulder news, and not just for your team. Nobody
wants to go into the season with a bunch of
banged up players. All over this league. This league is
in great condition. There are stars all over the place.
I want to see them all healthy. And so I
watched this kind of stuff and it's just like, all right,
let's just keep it everybody healthy. And of course, certainly

(02:35:46):
a lot of them aren't going to be playing, but
I'll be watching because it's football, because it's the NFL,
and I think you just kind of follow the storylines.
I don't know if there's one thing I expect in
the preseason that I really want to see outside of
the rookies. I mean, whatever you get from them, some
of these guys is just just seeing what they look
like in an NFL uniform for the first time. That's
always cool. But outside of that, I think it's just more.

(02:36:09):
I think the best thing you could do in the preseason,
even though I don't think it exists, is that Scott
Hanson could host a red Zone and just move us
from game to game to game and give us storylines
about that team and things like that and just kind
of be more of a storytelling kind of motif because
just individual obviously, I've got to watch the Titans, so
I'll be watching them, and the Broncos of my team,
so I'm gonna watch them. But generally it's new faces

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and new places, and it's rookies, and it's just making
sure everybody gets through unscathed. Will be interesting because even
the rookies, by NFL standards aren't super intriguing. Obviously, only
one first round picking at quarterback with Kenny Pickett. Uh,
any team that you're especially intrigued by going into the season,
I mean, I know it's an open ended question to
kind of end the show, but uh, anybody that as

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we go into the season you're super fired up or
intrigued to see Uh, well, I mean it's five teams
that I'm really interested to watch just because of well,
and you could actually say six really because of Russ
But um, I think for similar reasons. I am most
fascinated to see Kansas City in Green Bay and what

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they do without their top flight wide receivers. And at
the same time, I want to see what Miami and
Philadelphia look like with their two quarterbacks under a microscope,
with weapons brought in, with talent on both sides of
the ball, and with aspirations for the playoffs. Are hurts
and two are gonna be ready with those guys to
do that. And we talked about him earlier. I want

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to see and I'm intrigued to see San Francisco and
see what Trey Lance actually has because boy was he
ever touted to us and we didn't get very much
last year and now they're handing him the keys to
a franchise that's pretty dagon close to the Super Bowl
if you look at that roster. So I think it's that.
I think it's I think it's those five teams that

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really stand out to me. Yeah, I'll throw in another
one to um. You know, the New York Jets with
the second year quarterback. I mean, I know Wilson's made
quite a few headlines off the field, or allegedly off
the field, over the last couple of weeks, but you know,
I think it's easy to forget now. I mean, we
all came out of the the NFL Draft liking the
moves that the Jets had made. Obviously, they added Garrett Wilson,

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the wide receiver from Ohio State. Uh, they added a
bunch of other guys that I think we all kind
of agreed. You know, they take obviously the cornerback, Sauce Gardener.
So they show up the offense, show up the defense,
and you know, you look at Zack Wilson in year two. Um,
I I just I don't know. I just think I
think he's really interesting because he might not be the
right quarterback, but they're putting together an interesting roster around him,

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and we're gonna find out really quick. And if he's not,
you know, is it already after two years? Are we
already looking in a different direction with the Jets? So
the Jets are another one to me. You mentioned the
forty nine ers. I'm just absolutely fascinating with Trey Lance,
and if you missed any of this, by the way,
go back and download the podcast. We talked a lot
about Trey Lance earlier in the show. I just think
it's incredible that nobody's really talking about the idea that

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they just gave away a quarterback that nearly got them
to a super Bowl. With that said, it is time
for me and Jason to get out of here. Bernie
Friddo following us at the top of the hour. Bernie,
of course, we'll have plenty on Vince Scully, the NFL,
and much much much more. One of course, thank the crew,
producer bo Don, Steve Di Sega with all sorts of
good Vince Scully stuff as well from my partner Jason Martin.

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I'm Aara Torres fun week. We will be back next Saturday,
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