September 5, 2022 • 42 mins
Doug Gottlieb and TJ Houshmandzadeh filling in for Dan. Doug and TJ talk about the wild finish in the LSU-Florida State game Sunday night. Doug and TJ welcome 3-time Super Bowl champ and FOX Sports NFL Analyst Mark Schlereth onto the show to discuss all of the major headlines in the NFL heading into week one. The guys wrap up by discussing Raiders All-Pro receiver Davante Adams and how he wants to be remembered as a legend.
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Good morning to you Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio
with Tjaspins Out. I'm Doug Gottlieb. Happy Labor Day to you.
Summer it's over. It's over. You gonna wake up tomorrow.
I be like summer's over. Summer may have already been over,
like in reality because of you know, school being back in,
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college football games being played and whatever, But I don't know.
Labor Day is the unofficial end of summer. So t
you cook it out today? You grill and what are you?
What are you doing today? I am I getting the
backyard in, uh grill a little bit pow some little
stakes on there, some some chicken. I mean, do you
have the ability to go just dial up some steaks,
like just like snap your fingers and suddenly steaks. This
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feels like something that you may have wanted to prepare
for Granted, we're doing We're done here at nine on
the west, so there is still time to run by
and get some meats. But if you you go into
a meat shop or you go into a a supermarket today,
the pickings aren't slim. Like. There's a lot of philosophies
with it. Right on some level. You go like, I
got some steaks at the crib. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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I got I got some steaks ready to go. What's
what's the cut of steak that you like to let
that you get down with? Rib I, that's probably I'm
not a big steak Well, I eat steak more now
than I ever have, But um, RIBI, I used to.
I used to, you know, growing up, our grew well,
you know, we used to get our steak that thing
well done. Yes, So when I first got in the league,
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I'd go to a steakhouse and I never forget I
going there, Like, how do you want your steak? I'm like,
burn it, burn it, And so I don't. I don't
at that anymore. You know, I'm a little a little
different now, but initially is like, man, if I see
any blood, any pink in my steak, I don't want it,
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and so I evolved. I have evolved in that aspect
of my steak eating. Um, all right, so you have it.
Do you have any special steak grilling technique? Nah na
na none special, none special, man. I just season it
up and uh get the pit ready to go and
throw them on there, like five four minutes each side.
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I'm ready to go to place. So you do have
a system. You got a whole system that I heard
a pit that sounds like a glorious some sort of
there's gotta be Yeah, but I'm not. I'm not a
guy that like people that know me. I'm not barbecuing
like that. Man, I'm I'm really not. I'm like, I
really look forward to watching this Clemson game. That's what
I look forward to today. Outside of that, Yeah, it
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comes as a perfect example. This is an interesting one. Right.
They got a four by their name in terms of
their ranking. They're coming off a year in which they
weren't nearly what. We've come to give you two letters. Okay, DJ.
If DJ can play, uh, they'll be fine. If not,
we might see a uh Trevor Lawrence Kelly Bryant situation here.
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I guess that's my question, can he play? I mean physically,
he has all the tellent in the world. He's big,
he can run, he has a great not a good arm,
a great arm. It's Kenny throwing anticipation, and can he
be accurate. If he can be those things, they'll be fine.
If not, Kay klut Nick gets going Trevor Lawrence him.
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It's really amazing because DJ was so good when he
filled in for Trevor Lawrence the year before. Remember that, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
But then he got his own team and it was
a different story. I don't know what happened, but I'm
sure he feels that guy behind him walking down at
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alley in the dark night. You turn around and you're like, oh,
that's Kay Kublick. Like, if he does not play the
way he's supposed to play, I can I can really
see that happening. You know, DJ was one of the
top two or three recruits in the country, not just quarterbacks.
I'm talking about overall players, and so I'm sure for
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dad boy it wouldn't be easy to bench him. But
I can really see that taking place. If Clemson football
is not Clemson football that we're used to seeing, that
they're gonna put the blame on the quarterback, and I'm
sure kay Klubmick will get his opportunity. But if DJ
is the player he's supposed to be, he'll ride to
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the occasion and this will just be all talk. I mean,
the Clemson thing is going to be fascinating because if
you if you woke up last year and you would
have seen what they were doing, you know, welcover mccomi like,
this is not Clemson. And yet then this year we
just okay back to Clemson being a top five team
preseason when nothing they did last year would it because
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the recruiting class, Doug. When when you get the best players,
you're supposed to be good, you get the best Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, LSU,
USC Ohio State, those schools get the best players. Texas,
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you're supposed to be good. If you aren't good, that's
a lack of development from your coaches. You get the
best players, man, you have no choice but to be good.
Clemson wasn't good last year and so you just blame
one person in the quarterback or to me, it's overall
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lack of development. When you look at Alabama, Nick Saban,
when I tell you he does such a great job
of developing players. Because those offensive linemen who are dominant
in college, what they're coming to NFL and do what
they what they're coming in there. I mean I don't,
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but it depends. I mean they're okay, they're okay, they're okay,
but in college they're dominant. Nobody gets watch Alabama play
man that quarterback sitting back there like it's seven on
seven to watch them plays Bright Shawn back there like
it's seven on seven. Two, it's seven on seven. Matt Jones,
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it's seven on seven. Them dudes get to the league.
Alex n'ther one first round pick, we gotta release you.
Nix Haven does a great job developing kids in college.
And so these schools like Clemson and the ones I
just named, Ohio State, USC, LSU, they get the best players.
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You should win, and when you have a down year,
it better be just that a down year, not two
tj um. They look the succession of events that led
to last night to Florida State being in LSU. Right,
and for people who didn't didn't watch LSU finally got
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a stop, right, they finally scored some points, get a stop,
and all of a sudden they muff us the second punt,
second punt of the night. They they muff Florida States
literally going into score. The game is over. You know,
they're Brian Kelly's you know, they're like, should should Brian
Kelly let them score? It's their only chance to win.
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They're discussing strategy and when do you call timeouts? And
when you just let him score? Florida State fumbles literally
at like the one yard line. Game is over. LSU
comes storming back. They end up going out of bounds
with one second to go, which was he went in
terms of stoppages, right, it was if he got out
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of bounds, the clock automatically stopped. Instead it was the
first down, so they gave him one untimed down from
like the three yard hardline or whatever, but it was
it was a like a ten minute delay, so LSU
had the play called. LSU scores a touchdown. You're like, oh,
this thing's going overtime. They line up to kick the
extra point after all this, you know, they're they're getting
blown out for a while, all this to come back
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and tie the game, and the extra point is blocked.
If that'side college football, I don't know what is man.
If I'm in at LSU locker room alumni fan, I'm pissed.
I'm pissed like I was. I ain't gonna lie. I
was mad watching a game like what I was looking
forward to overtime, like, yeah, it's a good game, I'm
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looking forward to this. It's the little things, Doug, like
you overlooked the little things and they become big problems eventually.
And I said this earlier. You gotta protect the inside.
You're on punt team, protect the inside. You don't field
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goal team protect the inside. They didn't protect the inside.
They gave up the inside, and you give up the inside.
That's the shortest distance to the kick being blocked, and
that's what happens. But you get Flord to stay some
credit due timed it perfectly, timed to snap perfectly. He
went airborne so that you couldn't get a hand on him,
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and he blocked it. LSU shouldn't have been in that
situation to begin with, because in essence, it was an
home game. You're starting a quarterback that's had some success
all bit in the Pac twelve, and he couldn't move
the ball effectively through the air. Was all on the ground.
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LSU defense couldn't get a stop, like you said, until
the end. Their best player on offense, Kashawan Booty, did
not get a touch till the fourth quarter. The good
thing about sports that game yesterday is over. Each week
is independent. Let's be better, let's make adjustments, let's correct
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our mistakes because we can't do that ag again because
what we just talked about the last unless you has
really good players, it doesn't hurt Mason Mason Smith. I
believe that's his last name. He's their best defensive lineman.
He's excited for his teammate making a play, he jumps up, celebrates.
I believe he towards acl I don't know, but when
you do that, he's their best defensive lineman. He goes out.
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It's a little easier for Florida State, but when you're
all that shoe, you should have that type of depth
to where it doesn't affect you that way. Unless you
has a lot of good players, they got to play
that way. Can you believe he got hurt celebrating like
that's one of that That's like the last time I've
heard of that was Martin grammatica Grammatic, Yeah, Martin Martine grammatic.
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Yeah didn't he like, didn't he tere both acls celebrating
but tell us in all, yeah, I think he blew
his knee out, but it might even been both. It
just sucks, man, because it was such a good game,
and that that kid, he's friends with my daughters, and
he was so excited about that game. They're telling me like, yeah, Mason,
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he can't wait to play. He's so excited. He's such
a good dude. YadA yadda YadA, And for that to happen,
it's so unfortunate because you work the entire offseason. I mean,
it's just for this moment, and you get hurt the
first game, and now you gotta mentally I'm hurt. I'm hurt.
Now there's nothing I can do. I gotta attack this rehab.
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I gotta attack it because now I gotta get excited
again for next year. And we haven't even finished this year.
I think I think about the Okay, so here's the play.
If you haven't seen it, we'll put it out on
on social media. I've got lip shows my Twitter hand.
Of course, we'll put it on The Dan Patrick Show
on social media. So he's just they're just a tackle
and he's just kind of sad. He just jumps up
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to kind of celebrate and kind of kicks out his
legs like like a deal and his left knee kind
of lands awkwardly on the turf. And yeah, it looked
like that's what it looked like. Happened again, neither of
us are he has to undergo an MRI. But that's
not in the all time bad luck celebration. It's just unfortunate, man.
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I mean, he was cheering on his teammate and it
wasn't like it like it wasn't like he was doing
a sack dance, right, It wasn't like he was doing
there was there was, there was no it was a
very organic, not even celebration, just almost like a fist pump,
only he jumped up in the air and landed. Um.
I'm not sure which was more a stronger purple, the
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LSU purple or the purple and Brian Kelly's face though,
mak Man, when that when it's it's good to have Brian.
Brian Kelly was calm as past couple of years at
Notre Dame. Early on. This was like early Notre Dame
Brian Kelly in terms of the peak level of his
expressions in his face. All right, we'll get to we'll
get to the the other A couple other side stories
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from this weekend. A second, but this was the radio call. Okay,
so remember Florida State is going to win the game.
Game is over there at the one yard line, two
yard line. They fumble. Hey, then it looked like they
were gonna get a stop. LSU comes marching, march all
the way back scores with no time on the clock,
one untimed down line up for the extra point. Here's
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the Florida State call. Boy to snap rambut the hall
to senate till free football stats food it flocks Shahey,
Brown got his bet on it. Fire up the Lord
chats and plant the spare those web those wind It
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was nuts. Here's the LSU radio call the all important
point after in a twenty four twenty three ballgame. Here's
the snap placement down kick on the way and it
is flock and it hits the cross bar. No good
in Florida State gonna survive this one twenty four to
twenty three. It didn't feel like the Florida State Florida
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Stay announcers, just like here comes the extra point free
football coming. Where's the LSU broadcast was like, you know,
see all important extra point. Let's let's like it was
a much more kind of refined classic call of the
spot down, kick up, it's blocked in and it hits
the upright, No good it. The Florida State guys felt
like they kind of papooted only to see it blocked. Hey,
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I wonder when will the coach one day? You know,
in that situation, they're going ball to the wall, all
out the block or two no, just fake, just fake it. Yeah,
they're they're all don't anymore. They scared. They scared of
the consequences. You know, in that situation, they're going all out.
But I mean, you gotta block that up. As much
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practice as you put into this, you must do the
little things. You gotta block that up. And it has
to be a checkpoint of each other. Return to the
out to left right. You don't give the inside, Just
just reinforce that. Don't give the inside. Everybody stepped down.
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If we step down, we're good. Step down, Get a hand,
just get a hand on a guy running around. You
don't block the guy, get a hand on him. Step down,
get a hand on a guy running around. That's what
we were taught. Step down. And I was never on it,
but I was a returner, so I had to sit
in the meetings. And so you just you hear all
this and you learn it. It sucks, it's a lesson learned.
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I guarantee the player that had happened too, it won't
happen again. It sucks that it had to happen in
that situation. It won't happen again. And that player actually
had a pretty good game. And so you know, it
is what it is, all right? Tell color next. The
guy who actually has done it is March Slayreth. He's
also won three Super Bowls as part of the Washington
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Whether the Commanders down back when, then the Redskins, and
of course the Denver Broncos. He's Fox NF alalist. We'll
get his take on on Hey, it's just easy, just
step down, Just step down, put a hand on somebody.
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not to remember when this was uh in roller skate parties, Man,
this is a good roller skate party song. Man. You
know it's crazy, Doug. I've never put on but a
pair of skates. Man, I can't skate at all. I
can't skate either. I was too busy doing other things. Man,
I wasn't skating. I'm I'm literally the only white kid
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ever grew up in Orange County can't skateboard. Everybody can skate, man, skateboard.
I haven't. I haven't listen this is and I mean
I can. I can get on a skateboard and I can't,
you know, not fall. But yeah, that's about it. That's
about the extent of it. That's about the extent of
it for me. It's what's interesting. So you know, uh,
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you know, my son, so Hayes is he wants to
be a hooper and a football player or whatever, and
so he used to used to skateboard. So and we'd
always tease him like, you know, man, hoopers don't skateboard.
And he's like and he said, well, well, Clay Thompson's
skateboards is like, well, look, he's like the exception to
the rule. Most most hoopers don't skateboard. You only have time,
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plus you can get hurt. Um. He literally said, my bones,
my bones don't break. They don't break. So one of
his close friends broke his wrist, like really nasty compound
fracture of his wrist skateboarding over the weekend. Now, thankfully
he's gonna be okay, but he's got to have like
two surgery now whatever. I just turned to him when
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we heard the story. I was like, as he's like,
don't say it. I was like, I told you, Hooper's
don't skateboard, man, that doesn't they you don't. You don't
break compound fracture your arm when you're playing basketball. Anyway.
Uh yeah, I can't skateboard at all. And now roller skate.
I couldn't roller skate either. But I could like stand
up and go around the rink and you know, hang
out the roller rink roller skating. Oh, I could stand
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up and I could just let it roll. But nah,
I can't do that either. Man, not me. I this
is something I've never really done. And I know, like
a lot of my buddies. Man, they used to always
go roller skating, and I'd be like, I'll meet you'll there.
I'm not gonna roller skate. I'll do what I gotta
do it and then i'll meet you'll there later on.
Do you remember them the rollerblade phenomenon, Yeah, I do.
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I do remember that when that kind of got really popular.
It was, it was really really big. So this is
it's a true story. So I'm getting ready to go
to Oaklahoma State. So I spent a year. I went
to Notre Dame for a year. I went to Golden
West College and Hunton Beach, which I know you train
at you got you train some guys guys there at
their football field, right um and so uh, But I
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didn't play, and I just I practiced with the team.
I would help coach the team in the games. Was
one of my old high school coaches, got named Tom McCluskey.
And then so I'm getting ready to go to Oakham
State and you know Oklahoma, like, well it's flat, you know,
And I don't remember if I didn't have a bike
or what it was. I was like, maybe I'll just
rollerblade to school, right, Maybe that'd be cool. I'd rollerblade
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to school. And again at the time rollerblade was kind
of cool, like you could do it, you get away
with it. It It is not bad like it was a
it was it was. It wasn't really that well thought
out this whole idea of roller blade, because then you
would had to bring your shoes with you, right, and
then you had these big, clunky roll But I remember,
and I one time I was I'd rollerblade to like
twenty four hour fitness to work out and those things
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I don't. You can't really stop on them. And I
remember like I was going down to hill and I
literally sat down on the ground scratched out my whole
backside on like my initial ride of my roller blades.
I never rolled it, wore them ever again ever, not once.
I never put them all. So I can relate to you.
Mark Slayer joins US three times Super Bowl champion in
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flannelists and Fox. I want to get to the NFL
in a second, the game you're covering this weekend. But
TJ was explaining that LSU not block an extra point.
It's just as simple. What is it, TJ? What's the
rule just blocked down? Just hey, Mark, you you've been
on field goal block. Don't give up the inside, correct,
it's never correct. Never give up the inside, you know,
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one of the things that always make you do too.
And this is just just such a football thing, right
they say, always protect your inside gap with the side
of your head, right, put your jam your head in there.
Let the guy run over and try to break your neck,
and then stick your leg the opposite leg out so
that you create this big old you know, so they
got around you. Yeah, so we've got to and it's
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just like a complete and total give your body up
for the team, pat field. There's so many more rules.
You know, you step the wedge, you know, where one
guy would get behind another guy and shoving through that gap,
and you're like, really, this is this is this is
my reward for scoring a touchdown. I gotta get my
bait brain. See Mark, you're you're you're talking. You're talking
at old school football where you throw your head here
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because you know you're gonna give you a body. They
can't even do that any longer. They don't. They're not
even allowed to that step inside. Let's go play overtime, right, yeah, exactly,
that's the way it works. Unbelievable. Um, all right, let
let's let's get to the Nation Football League. Um. Look,
you played with you played with one of the all
time greats and John Elway, and of course you were
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there when it was his last game, right son. Can
you imagine what it would have been like had Elway
taken eleven days away from training camp in the middle
of camp. Oh yeah, well, listen, man, we had yeah
I can. Elway left training camp to go recruit Zimmerman
to come back and play tackle for US in nineteen
ninety seven in our first Super Bowl run because Zimmerman
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was up in Sturgis, So we left camp for three
or four days to go try to recruit Zimmerman to
come back and play tackle for US. So yeah, I mean,
stuff like that happens. You know, it's it's not I mean,
eleven days is a bit extreme, but he's Tom freakin Brady.
And I'll tell you this, like you walk into that
organization even the first year. I probably did five Tampa
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games the first year he was in Tampa. And I'm
telling you all those dudes, and this is what happens
when you get a goat like that that walks in
and holds himself more accountable than he holds anybody else,
and he holds everybody accountable. But it guys like Mike
Evans and guys like Chris Godwin and guys like Ali
Marpett and guys like Ryan Jensen are like, dude, we
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thought like we thought we were grinded. We thought we
were working hard, and we thought we had attention to detail.
We thought we were prepared. We thought They're like, oh,
this is a next This is like a completely different
level of football with him in there. So the respect
factor is so high for a guy like that and
what he brings to organization. Obviously, they won that championship
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at home his first year in Tampa. Like that, that
is so high. I look at guys like that like
I didn't have any issue Alway leaving for three or
four days to run up sturges and ride motorcycles with
him and recruit him back so it happens. Is an ideal?
Probably not, But he's Tom freaking Brady. I'll give him
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a break. I get what you're saying about Elway going
to recruit a player to make your team better, But
what Brady did had nothing to do with making the
team better going to get a player. I get it.
He's Tom Brady. But when if you're in that locker room,
you say, okay, yeah, like everybody else, it's Tom Brady.
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What if this season starts off the way they don't
expect it to, is he still oh, it's okay because
he's Tom Brady. Well, hey, Lizia, you know, winning cures
everything that ails you. And so if if he's playing
great and offensively they're producing, um, you know they've got
some issues. You know, it's more than Tom Brady. Like,
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I know that'll be the narrative, TJ. You know that.
You know, guys will all people in the media and
and just even people just around. We'll screwtinize Tom Brady
for leaving. And I get that. But you lost your
starting center. I don't know how long Ryan Jensen's going
to be out. Ali Marpet retired. You lost the other guard,
h you know you're out. The other guard went to
Tampa or went to Cincinnati as a free agent. And
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then the replacement Aaron Steiney, who played a lot last
year during injuries from either or the inside three guys
he tours ACL in training camp. So one thing, one
thing I've known about Brady or we know about Brady.
I always say he's one of the best scramblers in
football that never actually leaves the pocket. He just has
this pocket manipulation. His ability to move side to side
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is understand of pressure and being able to deliver downfield. Um,
now he's going to have to make up for that
by getting rid of the ball quickly. And one thing
we know the two Super Bowls he lost to the
New York Giants was inside pressure. It's people being in
your face. That's that's you know, you want to be
able to step up, especially when you can't escape the
pocket because, um, you know, from an athletic standpoint, you're
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challenged when it comes to scrambling around. So yeah, that'll
be the that'll be the narrative. But they've got some
serious issues up front, and it'll be interesting see exactly
how they deal with those issues and um and how
will they play up from But yeah, you know, I
mean if it goes if it goes south, it always
opens yourself up. You open yourself up, uh to you know,
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to all that scrutiny and people talking about it, and
you know, that'll be the narrative that comes out of that.
But I still think for the most part what he's
accomplished over the course of his career and just knowing.
I mean it's almost it's almost like reverence inside that
locker room how they feel about Tom Brady and what
he brought to the organization. I tend to feel like
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they'll be okay like that, they're not going to hold
that against him. Um stink. You mentioned upfront? What about
the Cowboys up front? Ironically they play the Tampa Buccaneers.
You know that they're gonna sign Jason Peters, They got
Tyler Smith, but they you know that that offensive line
which has when when the line has been good, the
Cowboys have been good. Now there's a lot of question marks.
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What do you think about what the pokes are thrown
out there? Yeah, I mean that comes down for me.
I mean, obviously, Jason Peters forty years old, and that
guy's one of those supremely gifted, you know, future Hall
of Famer, one of the great athletes I've ever watched
played the position. But m you know, I mean, the
age eventually other than Tom Brady catches us all apparently,
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But um, we'll see how they are. You know, I
always get down to I always get down to when
you have issues up front. Um, then it comes down
to how does your quarterback play, how quickly can he
deliver the football? How good is he from an anticipatory standpoint?
And then how good is your coaching staff? And um,
that would be that would be my big question. How
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much pressure does your coaching staff take off your guys
up front? How easy do they make that for those guys?
And a big part of my belief is that you know,
if you're going to throw it thirty five times a game,
you got you gotta whittle it down. You gotta take
And this is like, as I travel around league consulting
for a couple of different teams, I always talk to
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guys about and coaches about taking the passive out of
pass protection. How do we allow our guys to be
the aggressors? And I think that's a like. I think
that's a big, really important part of pass protection and
having success as a as an organization. So that's a
that's a big part of it for me. We'll see
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how they do. Season kicks off this Thursday. Is this
the year it at the Buffalow Bills get over to
hump win a Super Bowl? Josh Allen MVP or Will
it be somewhat more to the same, I have a
good season, do well on offense, kind of more to say, Yeah,
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you know, I think they're I think there are an
outstanding football team. There's no question about that, you know
as well as I do. I mean, some of it
comes down to health towards the end of the season,
how you're playing toward the end of the season. Josh
Allen obviously is exceptional, as you guys know, and he's
a ton of fun to watch, But you know, it's
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I mean, I still think, you know, a lot of
people writing off the Kansas City Chiefs um simply because
they lost Tyreek Hill. And obviously Tyree Hill is a
dynamic player, there's no question about that, maybe the most
dynamic player in football. But I always kind of look
at it like they're like those guys like to me,
Andy Reid, He's talked about being re energized. Does it
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Does it get you to the point where you become
more balanced, you don't worry about, you know, about how
many times that we're going to get the ball in
Tyreek's hands. Will we run the ball with more efficiency
or at least with more kind of authority, with more
of a plan Like I always looked at that Tampa
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Bay super Bowl that they lost, and I thought, to myself,
that's just kind of football huberists, if you will. When
you're getting seven eight yards to carry and you run
at nine times in the course of a game, and
Patrick Mahomes is running around for his life with a
bunch of backup offensive linemen, like that to me is
just silly. So does this create an opportunity to be
more balanced? Like if I was going to bet the field,
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you know, do I get the Bills or the field?
I take the field. The rest of the teams in
the afcum more than I would take the Bills, although
I think, you know, obviously they're a favorite. Stink you
have what Eagles taken on the Lions. I think I
think everyone who concludes that the Eagles have a really
good roster, the question is jail and hurt and ken
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he you know, can you can you take the next
step right instead of just being a facilitator? What do
you think? Yeah, you know, watching watching some of their
preseason stuff, kind of prepping this game. They are of
roster wise, man, they are loaded. I mean I think
defensive line, offensive line, they can dominate both lines of scrimmage.
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I think you look at the receiving cords that they have,
um with speed, route running and just size and demand
and um just overall just just overall talent on the
receiving corps. I think Dallas got, or excuse me, is
one of, I mean one of the best all around
tight ends in football. Um, that nobody really ever talks
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about when you're having those tight end conversations. Two corners
that aren't sounding, you know, like they were thirty first
in the league of sacks last year, they should bounce
that up simply because they got two corners they can
flat cover. Now, UM, I think they're a really good team. Obviously,
Jalen Hurts, this would be the first time in his career.
I believe that he's been in the same you know,
same offense for two years in a row, without a
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new offensive coordinator, without new you know, terminology and all
that stuff. So I guess we're fixing to see what
he can do. I know one thing, when they run
the ball well, which they were the lead the league,
they led the league last year a hundred and fifty
nine yards a game. When they run the ball well
and they set up their play action stuff. Jalen hurts
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like there's no there's nothing wrong with his abilities in
those situations. But like a a lot of young quarterbacks,
it comes down to, you know, when you have to
play the drop back game, how well do you anticipate?
Are you a site thrower versus an anticipatory thrower? Like
all those things come into to come kind of come
into the forefront. And the other thing is like how
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well do you how well do you layer throws in
zone coverage and those things from the pocket, and those
are the things that he has to be better at
um and I happen to think he will be. I
happen to think that they're an incredibly talented team, So
you know, I think they're gonna lean on their run game,
leaning all that stuff. But I do think you'll improve.
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How much is the big question? And you know we're
fixing to find out, all right, you'll hear Stink along
with Adam Amine and Christina Pink on the call. It's
one o'clock Eastern time, Eagles taken on the Detroit Lions.
He's a three time Super Bowl champion and of course
we've fall him online. You got man Man one oh
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(32:29):
Thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy your day. Yeah
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hope you're getting ready for a great and relaxing Labor Day.
Clemson taking on Georgia Tech later down today. That should
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be fun to watch. And then we got a couple
three more sleeps, and then you got the National Football League. TJ.
You were a two time pro bowler, Davanta Adams, by
some people's estimation, best in the game. He said this
the news member of the Raiders at this point. My
motivation is my kids, my family, my legacy, stuff like that.
He told the Las Vegas Review Journal, I want a
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uniform feeling that Davanta Adams is ultimately wanted to be
a legend or going to be a legend, or when
they look back at it, he was a legend. So
that's what I'm looking at looking about doing. And you
got to win a lot to do that, and you
gotta be out there and stacked a pretty decent resume.
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So I'm still going I think DeVonta Adams is awesome.
I don't think he's going to be a legend per se,
But who am I who might have foreseen what the
future will be? Is Devantea was the best wide receiver
in football? Oh? Yeah, yeah he is. That. That's an
easy answer to that question. Now let me ask you this,
If he's a Hall of Famer, would he become a
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legend in your eyes? Yeah? I think though the status
that he's looking for is the the Jerry Rice discussion, Right,
So he's trying to get to the Jerry Rice to
Moss that yes, I don't yes, yes, is to in
that in that Jerry Rice and Moss discussion. To me,
he is, okay, well you you played it. So I'm
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not going to challenge that. I mean, t man, the
fact that to wasn't the first ballot Hall of Famer. Everybody,
they shouldn't even be allowed to vote anymore. I mean,
it's come on, man, that come on man. TiO probably
could still play. TiO probably should have retired like four
years ago, three years ago. That's how like TiO was.
Just he's different man like CEO can really play football. Yes,
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TiO is a legend when you talk to wide receiver position. Now,
DeVante Adams his first three years didn't do much, kind
of got on the scene his fourth year, and I
would say the last two years he's been the best receiver.
The year before that he was probably top ten. And
so he's gonna have to stack some years here. Now
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he's gonna have to go four or five years in
Las Vegas of being one of the top three receivers
in the league if he wants to be that legend
that he says. You know, like I said, like, listen,
you can tell me, you can tell me. Here's here's
where he's right. You have to win. Here's where I
would sit there and go Kenya, is there a way
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to how do you say this Cooper Cup had a
better year. I don't. Again, you know the wide receiver
position better than I do. On the most important drive
of the season, in the the biggest game in football,
it was Cooper Cup, Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup, Cooper Cup,
Cooper Cup. They had nothing they had the Rams had nothing.
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They couldn't run the football and they had nobody else.
I mean, but you know what I know a lot
of it too. Told Doug is the Bengals just man
Cooper Cup up the whole game. They didn't really double them.
They certain instances they would inside out them. Um, they
didn't really double them. I think they felt like their
corners could cover Cooper Cup. And obviously they were wrong.
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They were wrong. So what so so was everybody else like,
are you gonna sit there and tell me? And again
you it's not just that you played, you the position itself.
You study, you teach, That's it's all about. It's what
you are who and what you do right? Is is
DeVante Adams definally better than Cooper Cup. They said different,
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they they played different. DeVante is really good at the
line of scrimmage, real sub puts his foot in the ground.
Cooper Cup is subtle in his movements. When he's running
routes that you run away from. His dig routes, his
out routes. He kind of will give you a rocker
step two of them, sometimes three of them. They just
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go about it a different way. The way that McVeigh
puts Cooper cups and Candent splits his Davanta is he's
not like that. It's just their offensive systems are completely different. Now.
It's they're both very effective. Davante is more flashy than
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cup is. But I just want results. Just give me
results to be a legend. I mean, he's gonna have
to stack the next four to five years and be
He can't be good. He's gonna have to be great
because he's had three years in my opinion of being
one of the top five receivers. He needs at least
a handful more. I think I think the biggest question
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had in the NFL season is that division because that division,
again on paper, they all have good quarterbacks, They all
have some stars. It does feel like the Chargers have
the best roster, but it doesn't feel like it. They do, Okay,
they don't feel like the Charge. You you look AFC West, Oh,
top to bottom, the Chargers got the best team. I
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mean you top to bottom, you could argue, but say
it was the best quarterback in the division. Everybody would
probably say, my homes But if you said Herbert, you
blo okay, like, yeah, all right, who has the best
running back in the division? You might say Eckler. The
best receivers in division as a whole, probably say the
Chargers offensive line, probably say the Chargers edge rushers, probably
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say the Chargers secondary. For sure. You're saying the Chargers
linebacker might be the only coin flip. The Chargers got
the best roster in that division. They got to make
it do what it do. Yeah, this is that's the
This is the scariest discussion as a Charger fan and
a long suffering Charger fan. Uh that those those those
those are big words. I mean when you think, just
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think about what I just said, Like, no, I listen.
I they have the players radio listen, they have they
have in many ways, what they've done is what the
Eagles have done, only they're better at quarterback, which is
when you you have to drive well and you have
all around and you use while you got a guy
in a rookie contract, you can load up with other
rosters of other really good players. And they've been able
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to do that, right, Derwin James and Joey Bosa and
Mike Williams and Keenan Allen like they had Dude Mac.
They get clear, they get clear matter c Jackson like
what they they're They have a really good team. They everybody.
You need a bit of good luck. Yeah, and you
gotta stay healthy. Ball bounce your way here and there
(39:54):
in you your best players must stay healthy. That they
gotta stay healthy. H Okay, Clemson Georgia Tech tonight does
DJ lost weight in the off season and he worked
hard out here. Now he worked hard, He worked hard.
I'll give him that he was working hard in offseason.
I will say that he worked hard. Now you got
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to go show it. It's crazy, though, to go I
think your first game of the year in Acco that
that one strikes me as just if Clemson is Clemson,
they should beat Georgia Tech. They should beat Georgia Tech.
If they're the Clemson of old, they should beat Georgia Tech.
And now I'll ask you the same question that you
asked Stink. As much as you and I both love
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the Chargers roster, when you talk to most of these
NFL guys who've been around to the camps, they say
the Bills are the best team. Are the Bills the
best team? I believe so um, I will say this
the last two years before the season started, I picked
a Super Bowl winner prior to the season. I'm going
with the Bills this year. And although I believe the
Chargers may have one of the best rosters in the league.
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I just believe there's steps you must take. Yeah, that
first step is just get into the playoffs. Get into
the playoffs. And once they do that, um, they'll get rolling.
But they'll get into the playoffs this year that they'll
just stumble that the Bills have stumbled and now believe
this is your year they go all the way. All right,
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(00:22):
Good morning to you Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio
with Tjaspins Out. I'm Doug Gottlieb. Happy Labor Day to you.
Summer it's over. It's over. You gonna wake up tomorrow.
I be like summer's over. Summer may have already been over,
like in reality because of you know, school being back in,
(00:43):
college football games being played and whatever, But I don't know.
Labor Day is the unofficial end of summer. So t
you cook it out today? You grill and what are you?
What are you doing today? I am I getting the
backyard in, uh grill a little bit pow some little
stakes on there, some some chicken. I mean, do you
have the ability to go just dial up some steaks,
like just like snap your fingers and suddenly steaks. This
(01:05):
feels like something that you may have wanted to prepare
for Granted, we're doing We're done here at nine on
the west, so there is still time to run by
and get some meats. But if you you go into
a meat shop or you go into a a supermarket today,
the pickings aren't slim. Like. There's a lot of philosophies
with it. Right on some level. You go like, I
got some steaks at the crib. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(01:26):
I got I got some steaks ready to go. What's
what's the cut of steak that you like to let
that you get down with? Rib I, that's probably I'm
not a big steak Well, I eat steak more now
than I ever have, But um, RIBI, I used to.
I used to, you know, growing up, our grew well,
you know, we used to get our steak that thing
well done. Yes, So when I first got in the league,
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I'd go to a steakhouse and I never forget I
going there, Like, how do you want your steak? I'm like,
burn it, burn it, And so I don't. I don't
at that anymore. You know, I'm a little a little
different now, but initially is like, man, if I see
any blood, any pink in my steak, I don't want it,
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and so I evolved. I have evolved in that aspect
of my steak eating. Um, all right, so you have it.
Do you have any special steak grilling technique? Nah na
na none special, none special, man. I just season it
up and uh get the pit ready to go and
throw them on there, like five four minutes each side.
(02:29):
I'm ready to go to place. So you do have
a system. You got a whole system that I heard
a pit that sounds like a glorious some sort of
there's gotta be Yeah, but I'm not. I'm not a
guy that like people that know me. I'm not barbecuing
like that. Man, I'm I'm really not. I'm like, I
really look forward to watching this Clemson game. That's what
I look forward to today. Outside of that, Yeah, it
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comes as a perfect example. This is an interesting one. Right.
They got a four by their name in terms of
their ranking. They're coming off a year in which they
weren't nearly what. We've come to give you two letters. Okay, DJ.
If DJ can play, uh, they'll be fine. If not,
we might see a uh Trevor Lawrence Kelly Bryant situation here.
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I guess that's my question, can he play? I mean physically,
he has all the tellent in the world. He's big,
he can run, he has a great not a good arm,
a great arm. It's Kenny throwing anticipation, and can he
be accurate. If he can be those things, they'll be fine.
If not, Kay klut Nick gets going Trevor Lawrence him.
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It's really amazing because DJ was so good when he
filled in for Trevor Lawrence the year before. Remember that, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
But then he got his own team and it was
a different story. I don't know what happened, but I'm
sure he feels that guy behind him walking down at
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alley in the dark night. You turn around and you're like, oh,
that's Kay Kublick. Like, if he does not play the
way he's supposed to play, I can I can really
see that happening. You know, DJ was one of the
top two or three recruits in the country, not just quarterbacks.
I'm talking about overall players, and so I'm sure for
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dad boy it wouldn't be easy to bench him. But
I can really see that taking place. If Clemson football
is not Clemson football that we're used to seeing, that
they're gonna put the blame on the quarterback, and I'm
sure kay Klubmick will get his opportunity. But if DJ
is the player he's supposed to be, he'll ride to
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the occasion and this will just be all talk. I mean,
the Clemson thing is going to be fascinating because if
you if you woke up last year and you would
have seen what they were doing, you know, welcover mccomi like,
this is not Clemson. And yet then this year we
just okay back to Clemson being a top five team
preseason when nothing they did last year would it because
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the recruiting class, Doug. When when you get the best players,
you're supposed to be good, you get the best Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, LSU,
USC Ohio State, those schools get the best players. Texas,
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you're supposed to be good. If you aren't good, that's
a lack of development from your coaches. You get the
best players, man, you have no choice but to be good.
Clemson wasn't good last year and so you just blame
one person in the quarterback or to me, it's overall
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lack of development. When you look at Alabama, Nick Saban,
when I tell you he does such a great job
of developing players. Because those offensive linemen who are dominant
in college, what they're coming to NFL and do what
they what they're coming in there. I mean I don't,
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but it depends. I mean they're okay, they're okay, they're okay,
but in college they're dominant. Nobody gets watch Alabama play
man that quarterback sitting back there like it's seven on
seven to watch them plays Bright Shawn back there like
it's seven on seven. Two, it's seven on seven. Matt Jones,
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it's seven on seven. Them dudes get to the league.
Alex n'ther one first round pick, we gotta release you.
Nix Haven does a great job developing kids in college.
And so these schools like Clemson and the ones I
just named, Ohio State, USC, LSU, they get the best players.
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You should win, and when you have a down year,
it better be just that a down year, not two
tj um. They look the succession of events that led
to last night to Florida State being in LSU. Right,
and for people who didn't didn't watch LSU finally got
(07:11):
a stop, right, they finally scored some points, get a stop,
and all of a sudden they muff us the second punt,
second punt of the night. They they muff Florida States
literally going into score. The game is over. You know,
they're Brian Kelly's you know, they're like, should should Brian
Kelly let them score? It's their only chance to win.
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They're discussing strategy and when do you call timeouts? And
when you just let him score? Florida State fumbles literally
at like the one yard line. Game is over. LSU
comes storming back. They end up going out of bounds
with one second to go, which was he went in
terms of stoppages, right, it was if he got out
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of bounds, the clock automatically stopped. Instead it was the
first down, so they gave him one untimed down from
like the three yard hardline or whatever, but it was
it was a like a ten minute delay, so LSU
had the play called. LSU scores a touchdown. You're like, oh,
this thing's going overtime. They line up to kick the
extra point after all this, you know, they're they're getting
blown out for a while, all this to come back
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and tie the game, and the extra point is blocked.
If that'side college football, I don't know what is man.
If I'm in at LSU locker room alumni fan, I'm pissed.
I'm pissed like I was. I ain't gonna lie. I
was mad watching a game like what I was looking
forward to overtime, like, yeah, it's a good game, I'm
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looking forward to this. It's the little things, Doug, like
you overlooked the little things and they become big problems eventually.
And I said this earlier. You gotta protect the inside.
You're on punt team, protect the inside. You don't field
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goal team protect the inside. They didn't protect the inside.
They gave up the inside, and you give up the inside.
That's the shortest distance to the kick being blocked, and
that's what happens. But you get Flord to stay some
credit due timed it perfectly, timed to snap perfectly. He
went airborne so that you couldn't get a hand on him,
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and he blocked it. LSU shouldn't have been in that
situation to begin with, because in essence, it was an
home game. You're starting a quarterback that's had some success
all bit in the Pac twelve, and he couldn't move
the ball effectively through the air. Was all on the ground.
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LSU defense couldn't get a stop, like you said, until
the end. Their best player on offense, Kashawan Booty, did
not get a touch till the fourth quarter. The good
thing about sports that game yesterday is over. Each week
is independent. Let's be better, let's make adjustments, let's correct
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our mistakes because we can't do that ag again because
what we just talked about the last unless you has
really good players, it doesn't hurt Mason Mason Smith. I
believe that's his last name. He's their best defensive lineman.
He's excited for his teammate making a play, he jumps up, celebrates.
I believe he towards acl I don't know, but when
you do that, he's their best defensive lineman. He goes out.
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It's a little easier for Florida State, but when you're
all that shoe, you should have that type of depth
to where it doesn't affect you that way. Unless you
has a lot of good players, they got to play
that way. Can you believe he got hurt celebrating like
that's one of that That's like the last time I've
heard of that was Martin grammatica Grammatic, Yeah, Martin Martine grammatic.
(10:42):
Yeah didn't he like, didn't he tere both acls celebrating
but tell us in all, yeah, I think he blew
his knee out, but it might even been both. It
just sucks, man, because it was such a good game,
and that that kid, he's friends with my daughters, and
he was so excited about that game. They're telling me like, yeah, Mason,
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he can't wait to play. He's so excited. He's such
a good dude. YadA yadda YadA, And for that to happen,
it's so unfortunate because you work the entire offseason. I mean,
it's just for this moment, and you get hurt the
first game, and now you gotta mentally I'm hurt. I'm hurt.
Now there's nothing I can do. I gotta attack this rehab.
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I gotta attack it because now I gotta get excited
again for next year. And we haven't even finished this year.
I think I think about the Okay, so here's the play.
If you haven't seen it, we'll put it out on
on social media. I've got lip shows my Twitter hand.
Of course, we'll put it on The Dan Patrick Show
on social media. So he's just they're just a tackle
and he's just kind of sad. He just jumps up
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to kind of celebrate and kind of kicks out his
legs like like a deal and his left knee kind
of lands awkwardly on the turf. And yeah, it looked
like that's what it looked like. Happened again, neither of
us are he has to undergo an MRI. But that's
not in the all time bad luck celebration. It's just unfortunate, man.
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I mean, he was cheering on his teammate and it
wasn't like it like it wasn't like he was doing
a sack dance, right, It wasn't like he was doing
there was there was, there was no it was a
very organic, not even celebration, just almost like a fist pump,
only he jumped up in the air and landed. Um.
I'm not sure which was more a stronger purple, the
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LSU purple or the purple and Brian Kelly's face though,
mak Man, when that when it's it's good to have Brian.
Brian Kelly was calm as past couple of years at
Notre Dame. Early on. This was like early Notre Dame
Brian Kelly in terms of the peak level of his
expressions in his face. All right, we'll get to we'll
get to the the other A couple other side stories
(12:52):
from this weekend. A second, but this was the radio call. Okay,
so remember Florida State is going to win the game.
Game is over there at the one yard line, two
yard line. They fumble. Hey, then it looked like they
were gonna get a stop. LSU comes marching, march all
the way back scores with no time on the clock,
one untimed down line up for the extra point. Here's
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the Florida State call. Boy to snap rambut the hall
to senate till free football stats food it flocks Shahey,
Brown got his bet on it. Fire up the Lord
chats and plant the spare those web those wind It
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was nuts. Here's the LSU radio call the all important
point after in a twenty four twenty three ballgame. Here's
the snap placement down kick on the way and it
is flock and it hits the cross bar. No good
in Florida State gonna survive this one twenty four to
twenty three. It didn't feel like the Florida State Florida
(13:58):
Stay announcers, just like here comes the extra point free
football coming. Where's the LSU broadcast was like, you know,
see all important extra point. Let's let's like it was
a much more kind of refined classic call of the
spot down, kick up, it's blocked in and it hits
the upright, No good it. The Florida State guys felt
like they kind of papooted only to see it blocked. Hey,
(14:21):
I wonder when will the coach one day? You know,
in that situation, they're going ball to the wall, all
out the block or two no, just fake, just fake it. Yeah,
they're they're all don't anymore. They scared. They scared of
the consequences. You know, in that situation, they're going all out.
But I mean, you gotta block that up. As much
(14:44):
practice as you put into this, you must do the
little things. You gotta block that up. And it has
to be a checkpoint of each other. Return to the
out to left right. You don't give the inside, Just
just reinforce that. Don't give the inside. Everybody stepped down.
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If we step down, we're good. Step down, Get a hand,
just get a hand on a guy running around. You
don't block the guy, get a hand on him. Step down,
get a hand on a guy running around. That's what
we were taught. Step down. And I was never on it,
but I was a returner, so I had to sit
in the meetings. And so you just you hear all
this and you learn it. It sucks, it's a lesson learned.
(15:29):
I guarantee the player that had happened too, it won't
happen again. It sucks that it had to happen in
that situation. It won't happen again. And that player actually
had a pretty good game. And so you know, it
is what it is, all right? Tell color next. The
guy who actually has done it is March Slayreth. He's
also won three Super Bowls as part of the Washington
(15:50):
Whether the Commanders down back when, then the Redskins, and
of course the Denver Broncos. He's Fox NF alalist. We'll
get his take on on Hey, it's just easy, just
step down, Just step down, put a hand on somebody.
Plus this weekend slate in the NFL. Next on The
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Dannett's Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh TJ World
(16:34):
not to remember when this was uh in roller skate parties, Man,
this is a good roller skate party song. Man. You
know it's crazy, Doug. I've never put on but a
pair of skates. Man, I can't skate at all. I
can't skate either. I was too busy doing other things. Man,
I wasn't skating. I'm I'm literally the only white kid
(16:57):
ever grew up in Orange County can't skateboard. Everybody can skate, man, skateboard.
I haven't. I haven't listen this is and I mean
I can. I can get on a skateboard and I can't,
you know, not fall. But yeah, that's about it. That's
about the extent of it. That's about the extent of
it for me. It's what's interesting. So you know, uh,
(17:19):
you know, my son, so Hayes is he wants to
be a hooper and a football player or whatever, and
so he used to used to skateboard. So and we'd
always tease him like, you know, man, hoopers don't skateboard.
And he's like and he said, well, well, Clay Thompson's
skateboards is like, well, look, he's like the exception to
the rule. Most most hoopers don't skateboard. You only have time,
(17:39):
plus you can get hurt. Um. He literally said, my bones,
my bones don't break. They don't break. So one of
his close friends broke his wrist, like really nasty compound
fracture of his wrist skateboarding over the weekend. Now, thankfully
he's gonna be okay, but he's got to have like
two surgery now whatever. I just turned to him when
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we heard the story. I was like, as he's like,
don't say it. I was like, I told you, Hooper's
don't skateboard, man, that doesn't they you don't. You don't
break compound fracture your arm when you're playing basketball. Anyway.
Uh yeah, I can't skateboard at all. And now roller skate.
I couldn't roller skate either. But I could like stand
up and go around the rink and you know, hang
out the roller rink roller skating. Oh, I could stand
(18:25):
up and I could just let it roll. But nah,
I can't do that either. Man, not me. I this
is something I've never really done. And I know, like
a lot of my buddies. Man, they used to always
go roller skating, and I'd be like, I'll meet you'll there.
I'm not gonna roller skate. I'll do what I gotta
do it and then i'll meet you'll there later on.
Do you remember them the rollerblade phenomenon, Yeah, I do.
(18:49):
I do remember that when that kind of got really popular.
It was, it was really really big. So this is
it's a true story. So I'm getting ready to go
to Oaklahoma State. So I spent a year. I went
to Notre Dame for a year. I went to Golden
West College and Hunton Beach, which I know you train
at you got you train some guys guys there at
their football field, right um and so uh, But I
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didn't play, and I just I practiced with the team.
I would help coach the team in the games. Was
one of my old high school coaches, got named Tom McCluskey.
And then so I'm getting ready to go to Oakham
State and you know Oklahoma, like, well it's flat, you know,
And I don't remember if I didn't have a bike
or what it was. I was like, maybe I'll just
rollerblade to school, right, Maybe that'd be cool. I'd rollerblade
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to school. And again at the time rollerblade was kind
of cool, like you could do it, you get away
with it. It It is not bad like it was a
it was it was. It wasn't really that well thought
out this whole idea of roller blade, because then you
would had to bring your shoes with you, right, and
then you had these big, clunky roll But I remember,
and I one time I was I'd rollerblade to like
twenty four hour fitness to work out and those things
(19:54):
I don't. You can't really stop on them. And I
remember like I was going down to hill and I
literally sat down on the ground scratched out my whole
backside on like my initial ride of my roller blades.
I never rolled it, wore them ever again ever, not once.
I never put them all. So I can relate to you.
Mark Slayer joins US three times Super Bowl champion in
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flannelists and Fox. I want to get to the NFL
in a second, the game you're covering this weekend. But
TJ was explaining that LSU not block an extra point.
It's just as simple. What is it, TJ? What's the
rule just blocked down? Just hey, Mark, you you've been
on field goal block. Don't give up the inside, correct,
it's never correct. Never give up the inside, you know,
(20:37):
one of the things that always make you do too.
And this is just just such a football thing, right
they say, always protect your inside gap with the side
of your head, right, put your jam your head in there.
Let the guy run over and try to break your neck,
and then stick your leg the opposite leg out so
that you create this big old you know, so they
got around you. Yeah, so we've got to and it's
(20:58):
just like a complete and total give your body up
for the team, pat field. There's so many more rules.
You know, you step the wedge, you know, where one
guy would get behind another guy and shoving through that gap,
and you're like, really, this is this is this is
my reward for scoring a touchdown. I gotta get my
bait brain. See Mark, you're you're you're talking. You're talking
at old school football where you throw your head here
(21:19):
because you know you're gonna give you a body. They
can't even do that any longer. They don't. They're not
even allowed to that step inside. Let's go play overtime, right, yeah, exactly,
that's the way it works. Unbelievable. Um, all right, let
let's let's get to the Nation Football League. Um. Look,
you played with you played with one of the all
time greats and John Elway, and of course you were
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there when it was his last game, right son. Can
you imagine what it would have been like had Elway
taken eleven days away from training camp in the middle
of camp. Oh yeah, well, listen, man, we had yeah
I can. Elway left training camp to go recruit Zimmerman
to come back and play tackle for US in nineteen
ninety seven in our first Super Bowl run because Zimmerman
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was up in Sturgis, So we left camp for three
or four days to go try to recruit Zimmerman to
come back and play tackle for US. So yeah, I mean,
stuff like that happens. You know, it's it's not I mean,
eleven days is a bit extreme, but he's Tom freakin Brady.
And I'll tell you this, like you walk into that
organization even the first year. I probably did five Tampa
(22:28):
games the first year he was in Tampa. And I'm
telling you all those dudes, and this is what happens
when you get a goat like that that walks in
and holds himself more accountable than he holds anybody else,
and he holds everybody accountable. But it guys like Mike
Evans and guys like Chris Godwin and guys like Ali
Marpett and guys like Ryan Jensen are like, dude, we
(22:48):
thought like we thought we were grinded. We thought we
were working hard, and we thought we had attention to detail.
We thought we were prepared. We thought They're like, oh,
this is a next This is like a completely different
level of football with him in there. So the respect
factor is so high for a guy like that and
what he brings to organization. Obviously, they won that championship
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at home his first year in Tampa. Like that, that
is so high. I look at guys like that like
I didn't have any issue Alway leaving for three or
four days to run up sturges and ride motorcycles with
him and recruit him back so it happens. Is an ideal?
Probably not, But he's Tom freaking Brady. I'll give him
(23:31):
a break. I get what you're saying about Elway going
to recruit a player to make your team better, But
what Brady did had nothing to do with making the
team better going to get a player. I get it.
He's Tom Brady. But when if you're in that locker room,
you say, okay, yeah, like everybody else, it's Tom Brady.
(23:54):
What if this season starts off the way they don't
expect it to, is he still oh, it's okay because
he's Tom Brady. Well, hey, Lizia, you know, winning cures
everything that ails you. And so if if he's playing
great and offensively they're producing, um, you know they've got
some issues. You know, it's more than Tom Brady. Like,
(24:16):
I know that'll be the narrative, TJ. You know that.
You know, guys will all people in the media and
and just even people just around. We'll screwtinize Tom Brady
for leaving. And I get that. But you lost your
starting center. I don't know how long Ryan Jensen's going
to be out. Ali Marpet retired. You lost the other guard,
h you know you're out. The other guard went to
Tampa or went to Cincinnati as a free agent. And
(24:38):
then the replacement Aaron Steiney, who played a lot last
year during injuries from either or the inside three guys
he tours ACL in training camp. So one thing, one
thing I've known about Brady or we know about Brady.
I always say he's one of the best scramblers in
football that never actually leaves the pocket. He just has
this pocket manipulation. His ability to move side to side
(24:59):
is understand of pressure and being able to deliver downfield. Um,
now he's going to have to make up for that
by getting rid of the ball quickly. And one thing
we know the two Super Bowls he lost to the
New York Giants was inside pressure. It's people being in
your face. That's that's you know, you want to be
able to step up, especially when you can't escape the
pocket because, um, you know, from an athletic standpoint, you're
(25:21):
challenged when it comes to scrambling around. So yeah, that'll
be the that'll be the narrative. But they've got some
serious issues up front, and it'll be interesting see exactly
how they deal with those issues and um and how
will they play up from But yeah, you know, I
mean if it goes if it goes south, it always
opens yourself up. You open yourself up, uh to you know,
(25:44):
to all that scrutiny and people talking about it, and
you know, that'll be the narrative that comes out of that.
But I still think for the most part what he's
accomplished over the course of his career and just knowing.
I mean it's almost it's almost like reverence inside that
locker room how they feel about Tom Brady and what
he brought to the organization. I tend to feel like
(26:06):
they'll be okay like that, they're not going to hold
that against him. Um stink. You mentioned upfront? What about
the Cowboys up front? Ironically they play the Tampa Buccaneers.
You know that they're gonna sign Jason Peters, They got
Tyler Smith, but they you know that that offensive line
which has when when the line has been good, the
Cowboys have been good. Now there's a lot of question marks.
(26:27):
What do you think about what the pokes are thrown
out there? Yeah, I mean that comes down for me.
I mean, obviously, Jason Peters forty years old, and that
guy's one of those supremely gifted, you know, future Hall
of Famer, one of the great athletes I've ever watched
played the position. But m you know, I mean, the
age eventually other than Tom Brady catches us all apparently,
(26:47):
But um, we'll see how they are. You know, I
always get down to I always get down to when
you have issues up front. Um, then it comes down
to how does your quarterback play, how quickly can he
deliver the football? How good is he from an anticipatory standpoint?
And then how good is your coaching staff? And um,
that would be that would be my big question. How
(27:10):
much pressure does your coaching staff take off your guys
up front? How easy do they make that for those guys?
And a big part of my belief is that you know,
if you're going to throw it thirty five times a game,
you got you gotta whittle it down. You gotta take
And this is like, as I travel around league consulting
for a couple of different teams, I always talk to
(27:32):
guys about and coaches about taking the passive out of
pass protection. How do we allow our guys to be
the aggressors? And I think that's a like. I think
that's a big, really important part of pass protection and
having success as a as an organization. So that's a
that's a big part of it for me. We'll see
(27:52):
how they do. Season kicks off this Thursday. Is this
the year it at the Buffalow Bills get over to
hump win a Super Bowl? Josh Allen MVP or Will
it be somewhat more to the same, I have a
good season, do well on offense, kind of more to say, Yeah,
(28:13):
you know, I think they're I think there are an
outstanding football team. There's no question about that, you know
as well as I do. I mean, some of it
comes down to health towards the end of the season,
how you're playing toward the end of the season. Josh
Allen obviously is exceptional, as you guys know, and he's
a ton of fun to watch, But you know, it's
(28:33):
I mean, I still think, you know, a lot of
people writing off the Kansas City Chiefs um simply because
they lost Tyreek Hill. And obviously Tyree Hill is a
dynamic player, there's no question about that, maybe the most
dynamic player in football. But I always kind of look
at it like they're like those guys like to me,
Andy Reid, He's talked about being re energized. Does it
(28:56):
Does it get you to the point where you become
more balanced, you don't worry about, you know, about how
many times that we're going to get the ball in
Tyreek's hands. Will we run the ball with more efficiency
or at least with more kind of authority, with more
of a plan Like I always looked at that Tampa
(29:17):
Bay super Bowl that they lost, and I thought, to myself,
that's just kind of football huberists, if you will. When
you're getting seven eight yards to carry and you run
at nine times in the course of a game, and
Patrick Mahomes is running around for his life with a
bunch of backup offensive linemen, like that to me is
just silly. So does this create an opportunity to be
more balanced? Like if I was going to bet the field,
(29:38):
you know, do I get the Bills or the field?
I take the field. The rest of the teams in
the afcum more than I would take the Bills, although
I think, you know, obviously they're a favorite. Stink you
have what Eagles taken on the Lions. I think I
think everyone who concludes that the Eagles have a really
good roster, the question is jail and hurt and ken
(30:00):
he you know, can you can you take the next
step right instead of just being a facilitator? What do
you think? Yeah, you know, watching watching some of their
preseason stuff, kind of prepping this game. They are of
roster wise, man, they are loaded. I mean I think
defensive line, offensive line, they can dominate both lines of scrimmage.
(30:20):
I think you look at the receiving cords that they have,
um with speed, route running and just size and demand
and um just overall just just overall talent on the
receiving corps. I think Dallas got, or excuse me, is
one of, I mean one of the best all around
tight ends in football. Um, that nobody really ever talks
(30:42):
about when you're having those tight end conversations. Two corners
that aren't sounding, you know, like they were thirty first
in the league of sacks last year, they should bounce
that up simply because they got two corners they can
flat cover. Now, UM, I think they're a really good team. Obviously,
Jalen Hurts, this would be the first time in his career.
I believe that he's been in the same you know,
same offense for two years in a row, without a
(31:04):
new offensive coordinator, without new you know, terminology and all
that stuff. So I guess we're fixing to see what
he can do. I know one thing, when they run
the ball well, which they were the lead the league,
they led the league last year a hundred and fifty
nine yards a game. When they run the ball well
and they set up their play action stuff. Jalen hurts
(31:24):
like there's no there's nothing wrong with his abilities in
those situations. But like a a lot of young quarterbacks,
it comes down to, you know, when you have to
play the drop back game, how well do you anticipate?
Are you a site thrower versus an anticipatory thrower? Like
all those things come into to come kind of come
into the forefront. And the other thing is like how
(31:47):
well do you how well do you layer throws in
zone coverage and those things from the pocket, and those
are the things that he has to be better at
um and I happen to think he will be. I
happen to think that they're an incredibly talented team, So
you know, I think they're gonna lean on their run game,
leaning all that stuff. But I do think you'll improve.
(32:08):
How much is the big question? And you know we're
fixing to find out, all right, you'll hear Stink along
with Adam Amine and Christina Pink on the call. It's
one o'clock Eastern time, Eagles taken on the Detroit Lions.
He's a three time Super Bowl champion and of course
we've fall him online. You got man Man one oh
one in which he teaches men how to be men stink.
(32:29):
Thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy your day. Yeah
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to listen live. That got labor and Tjan's out in
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hope you're getting ready for a great and relaxing Labor Day.
Clemson taking on Georgia Tech later down today. That should
(33:13):
be fun to watch. And then we got a couple
three more sleeps, and then you got the National Football League. TJ.
You were a two time pro bowler, Davanta Adams, by
some people's estimation, best in the game. He said this
the news member of the Raiders at this point. My
motivation is my kids, my family, my legacy, stuff like that.
He told the Las Vegas Review Journal, I want a
(33:34):
uniform feeling that Davanta Adams is ultimately wanted to be
a legend or going to be a legend, or when
they look back at it, he was a legend. So
that's what I'm looking at looking about doing. And you
got to win a lot to do that, and you
gotta be out there and stacked a pretty decent resume.
(33:55):
So I'm still going I think DeVonta Adams is awesome.
I don't think he's going to be a legend per se,
But who am I who might have foreseen what the
future will be? Is Devantea was the best wide receiver
in football? Oh? Yeah, yeah he is. That. That's an
easy answer to that question. Now let me ask you this,
If he's a Hall of Famer, would he become a
(34:17):
legend in your eyes? Yeah? I think though the status
that he's looking for is the the Jerry Rice discussion, Right,
So he's trying to get to the Jerry Rice to
Moss that yes, I don't yes, yes, is to in
that in that Jerry Rice and Moss discussion. To me,
he is, okay, well you you played it. So I'm
(34:38):
not going to challenge that. I mean, t man, the
fact that to wasn't the first ballot Hall of Famer. Everybody,
they shouldn't even be allowed to vote anymore. I mean,
it's come on, man, that come on man. TiO probably
could still play. TiO probably should have retired like four
years ago, three years ago. That's how like TiO was.
Just he's different man like CEO can really play football. Yes,
(35:03):
TiO is a legend when you talk to wide receiver position. Now,
DeVante Adams his first three years didn't do much, kind
of got on the scene his fourth year, and I
would say the last two years he's been the best receiver.
The year before that he was probably top ten. And
so he's gonna have to stack some years here. Now
(35:26):
he's gonna have to go four or five years in
Las Vegas of being one of the top three receivers
in the league if he wants to be that legend
that he says. You know, like I said, like, listen,
you can tell me, you can tell me. Here's here's
where he's right. You have to win. Here's where I
would sit there and go Kenya, is there a way
(35:48):
to how do you say this Cooper Cup had a
better year. I don't. Again, you know the wide receiver
position better than I do. On the most important drive
of the season, in the the biggest game in football,
it was Cooper Cup, Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup, Cooper Cup,
Cooper Cup. They had nothing they had the Rams had nothing.
(36:08):
They couldn't run the football and they had nobody else.
I mean, but you know what I know a lot
of it too. Told Doug is the Bengals just man
Cooper Cup up the whole game. They didn't really double them.
They certain instances they would inside out them. Um, they
didn't really double them. I think they felt like their
corners could cover Cooper Cup. And obviously they were wrong.
(36:30):
They were wrong. So what so so was everybody else like,
are you gonna sit there and tell me? And again
you it's not just that you played, you the position itself.
You study, you teach, That's it's all about. It's what
you are who and what you do right? Is is
DeVante Adams definally better than Cooper Cup. They said different,
(36:54):
they they played different. DeVante is really good at the
line of scrimmage, real sub puts his foot in the ground.
Cooper Cup is subtle in his movements. When he's running
routes that you run away from. His dig routes, his
out routes. He kind of will give you a rocker
step two of them, sometimes three of them. They just
(37:15):
go about it a different way. The way that McVeigh
puts Cooper cups and Candent splits his Davanta is he's
not like that. It's just their offensive systems are completely different. Now.
It's they're both very effective. Davante is more flashy than
(37:36):
cup is. But I just want results. Just give me
results to be a legend. I mean, he's gonna have
to stack the next four to five years and be
He can't be good. He's gonna have to be great
because he's had three years in my opinion of being
one of the top five receivers. He needs at least
a handful more. I think I think the biggest question
(38:00):
had in the NFL season is that division because that division,
again on paper, they all have good quarterbacks, They all
have some stars. It does feel like the Chargers have
the best roster, but it doesn't feel like it. They do, Okay,
they don't feel like the Charge. You you look AFC West, Oh,
top to bottom, the Chargers got the best team. I
(38:23):
mean you top to bottom, you could argue, but say
it was the best quarterback in the division. Everybody would
probably say, my homes But if you said Herbert, you
blo okay, like, yeah, all right, who has the best
running back in the division? You might say Eckler. The
best receivers in division as a whole, probably say the
Chargers offensive line, probably say the Chargers edge rushers, probably
(38:48):
say the Chargers secondary. For sure. You're saying the Chargers
linebacker might be the only coin flip. The Chargers got
the best roster in that division. They got to make
it do what it do. Yeah, this is that's the
This is the scariest discussion as a Charger fan and
a long suffering Charger fan. Uh that those those those
those are big words. I mean when you think, just
(39:10):
think about what I just said, Like, no, I listen.
I they have the players radio listen, they have they
have in many ways, what they've done is what the
Eagles have done, only they're better at quarterback, which is
when you you have to drive well and you have
all around and you use while you got a guy
in a rookie contract, you can load up with other
rosters of other really good players. And they've been able
(39:31):
to do that, right, Derwin James and Joey Bosa and
Mike Williams and Keenan Allen like they had Dude Mac.
They get clear, they get clear matter c Jackson like
what they they're They have a really good team. They everybody.
You need a bit of good luck. Yeah, and you
gotta stay healthy. Ball bounce your way here and there
(39:54):
in you your best players must stay healthy. That they
gotta stay healthy. H Okay, Clemson Georgia Tech tonight does
DJ lost weight in the off season and he worked
hard out here. Now he worked hard, He worked hard.
I'll give him that he was working hard in offseason.
I will say that he worked hard. Now you got
(40:16):
to go show it. It's crazy, though, to go I
think your first game of the year in Acco that
that one strikes me as just if Clemson is Clemson,
they should beat Georgia Tech. They should beat Georgia Tech.
If they're the Clemson of old, they should beat Georgia Tech.
And now I'll ask you the same question that you
asked Stink. As much as you and I both love
(40:38):
the Chargers roster, when you talk to most of these
NFL guys who've been around to the camps, they say
the Bills are the best team. Are the Bills the
best team? I believe so um, I will say this
the last two years before the season started, I picked
a Super Bowl winner prior to the season. I'm going
with the Bills this year. And although I believe the
Chargers may have one of the best rosters in the league.
(40:59):
I just believe there's steps you must take. Yeah, that
first step is just get into the playoffs. Get into
the playoffs. And once they do that, um, they'll get rolling.
But they'll get into the playoffs this year that they'll
just stumble that the Bills have stumbled and now believe
this is your year they go all the way. All right,
(41:20):
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