Pac-12 Apostles - UCLA Still Undefeated

On this Episode of the Pac-12 Apostles Podcast, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden try to get to the bottom of what would make University of Colorado think that Mike Sanford Jr is the right interim coach to take over for the recently fired Karl Dorrell when Sanford's offense is what helped get Dorrell fired. The guys recap last week's games, including Dorian Thompson Robinson lifting UCLA over Washington to remain undefeated, and Caleb Williams magician-like pocket presence that helped avoid an upset at the hands of Arizona State. After giving their updated power rankings, George and Ralph preview and predict this week's games, and Ralph gives an update and opinion on the ASU Head Coaching Search. #fsrweekends

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go Pack twelve fans, This one's
for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only
the truth lives here. Twelve Apostles Apostles. I'm George Rice Stir,
He's Ralph Amason and this is the PAC twelve Apostles.
All right, this week is a crazy week because there

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was another coach fired in the PAC twelve, and that
is Carl the rail. We will talk about that. What
is Stanford's next move? With David Shaw? Go over Week
five recap and then Week six preview and of course
our power rankings, and for sure leave a five star
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(00:45):
a text message, I'm mad at Unafraid Show dot com
and of course we will address your issue or whatever
you have to say. UM, but I want to start though,
with the firing of Carl Durrell. Now, I think we
all saw this coming at Colorado, right, Yes, I saw

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this coming the day he hired Mike Sandford to be
his offensive coordinator. And I think I even said it
on Twitter. I was like, this is your king, this
is the guy you picked this stead of Brendan Maryon
that this is gonna be Carl Durrell's undoing, and that
this higher was gonna be the one that to to
get him fired. And that's the man that they named

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interim head coach. What the hell are they doing at Colorado?
I don't know, Like I look at obviously it's a
cumulative issue, but I look at Mike Sandford as the
reason Carl Durrell got fired the reason. So why why

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is he being elevated? And why are we getting op
eds from the Denver Post that that say, like, Mike
Sandford isn't Carl Correll, He's fired up and he's hungry
um or or there's another one from the fan one
oh four point three FM in Colorado that Mike Sanford

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is a nice change of pace and full of energy.
Let me be really clear here. The best defense in
the Pack twelve belongs to Utah. They have surrendered seventy
two points on the season collectively. That is the best
defense in the Pac twelve. Colorado has scored sixty seven
points on offense. They are worse on offense than the

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best defense is good at defense, at least scoring defense.
Colorado is not only oh in five, they're oh in
five against an ever increasing spread. They're owing five against
the spread. Colorado is out here making people rich. Whatever,
whatever they make the spread, Colorado, don't, don't worry. They

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will obliterate it. Uh When when when Minnesota was getting
twenty seven points that felt like a million, Like it's
like you would have thought that that would have been
too many, but it was not not even close. Like
he was chased out of town at his previous job,

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chased out at Minnesota. Most people when they let a
coach go, the attitude is like somber, I wish it
could have worked out, YadA, ya, YadA. P J. Fleck
was like, don't let the door hit you. And then
they played each other. Then they played each other, and
p J. Fleck made sure to make a huge statement

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when Minnesota played Colorado this year. Yeah, I just I
I don't. I don't understand what they're doing. It's the
worst offense in college football. And they promoted the offensive
coordinator to interim head coach. And people in Colorado are
treating this the same as people in Tempe or people
in Madison, where the interim coach actually might have a

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vision of how to move things forward. That's this is
not that this is this isn't that at all, even
even Lincoln. Even in Lincoln, the attitude that in the
interim selection might make sense definitely in Madison, where Jim
Lender is one of the most beloved Wisconsin Badgers of
all time. But he's getting that job. I don't mean

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to disparage Mike Sandford as a person. I don't know
anything about him. I just know what the results are
and the idea that him like anyone, anyone but him. Yeah,
he had one of the worst offenses in the entire
country last year at Minnesota, one of the worst. So
I don't even know how carled the rail was. Like,

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yet that's the guy I want right there. He had
other options, Like that wasn't his only option. I would
have hired a dude that has never been an offensive
coordinator before but had played in dynamic offenses in terms
of coaching dynamic systems, had a title of like pass
game coordinator or something. I would have hired him, way

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like Mike Sandford would have been so far down the
list of guys that I would have hired. Yeah, And
I tell you what, if you are trying to get
a job, hire somebody who works at a Collegiate Sports
Information Directory Office to write your resume, you absolutely need

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to because the things that they find to attribute to
a coach, whether it's just players that they locked into
having around obscure statistics. If you pull up any coaches
resume any their bio which serves as a resume. If
you pull up any coaches bio, no matter how bad
they are, after reading their bio, you are going to

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be convinced that they are the greatest coach of all fact.
And I'm sitting here like I'm reading Mike Stanford's bio
right now, and keep in mind, was chased out of
Minnesota and it was like a good riddance situation and
is currently the head of the worst offense in all
of college football that led to the dismissal of Karl Durrell. Right,

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I'm gonna reach you, I'm gonna read you some of
the highlights. Um and and again they give you credit
for things that are just absurdly out of your control.
Because at one point, Mike Stanford Jr. Was the recruiting
coordinator of Stanford. Stanford doesn't need a recruiting coordinator because

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kids just if you offer a kid that wants to
go to Stanford, they go to Stanford. Uh. David Shaw
said that within uh that with with the whole time
he's been a head coach kids that have wanted to
come to Stanford. That because you have to apply to Stanford,
like you just don't get recruited. You then have to apply.

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He said, maybe a handful of guys that have applied
and got in did not come. Maybe a handful. Right.
So they're giving him credit for Deshaun Kaiser and Ian
Book at Notre Dame. They're giving him credit for getting
Kevin Hogan to Stanford, him giving giving him credit for
getting Christian McCaffrey to Stanford. They're giving him credit for
getting Ryan Finley to Boise State. And if anybody remembers

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Ryan Finley had like a minor in possession and then
transferred to nt State and then went to the NFL.
Um they're giving they're giving him credit for Chase Claypool
and Equinhammias st. Brown Dame another place that recruits itself. Uh.
And and and this is how they describe his two
thousand one Minnesota offense. And again he was fired in

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two Stanford oversaw Minnesota offense that ran the ball a
majority of the time, and despite losing three of its
top running backs, still average a d ninety four uh
yards per game to rank thirty one in the n
c Double A. Minnesota was eight and four, including a
thirty nothing win over Colorado and Boulder, where Sanford's offense
rushed for two hundred seventy seven yards and possessed the

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ball over twenty two minutes in the second half, swarting
in and comeback attempt by the Buffaloes. The Gophers were
also fifteenth nationally infused turnovers, seventeenth and third down conversions,
and seven in red zone offense. How about the passing offense?
How about the total offense? How about yeah, like, come on, like,

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Minnesota has the same quarterback, the same running back this year,
all of a sudden, it looks it looks different. It's
got his what he coached at Western Kentucky. But you'll
notice it didn't mention his record, correct. It mentioned how
many all league players he had, and mentions how many
players eventually went to the NFL. It mentions how many

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players thirty nine, by the way, that had a three
point oh or higher. Because that's because he's helping him
out in that class, right, he's leading. Okay, So Colorado
is averaging thirteen point four points per game, thirteen point four,
and their total offense is two hundred and seventy seven

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yards per game. Um hm, guess who the second worst is? Who?
So they're at two seventy seven. Just just actually just
guess the number of yards for the next closest offense.
I'm gonna guess it's probably yep, three forty four at

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Arizona State. And and and then the next mind mind you,
Arizona State also fired its coach. And Arizona State has
played three of the top eleven teams in the country. Yes,
that's not what Colorado schedule is, correct, and they are
uh and then the next closes is three eighty and

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then it goes all the way up to five oh six,
so they're not even. And then points per game and
I told you the the thirteen point four Guess who the
next coat is? This was well just a number eighteen nine,
three ten whole points bro at Arizona State. That is putrid.

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So so the question is there on their third starting quarterback.
They're on their third starting quarterback two weeks in a row.
University of Arizona gave up three hundred yards rushing and
last week Colorado managed for a hundred and fifty. Now
they were down, but still, oh my god, oh my god,

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he is in the running to be their head coach.
They deserve whatever they get, so who should be the
the in the running for them as head coach. Well,
the Brendan mary situation is weird and I worried me
as an Arizona State fan. Ps I got a very
hot take when we get to Arizona State about their
coaching situation. But the Brenda Marian thing was like, well,

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you had a chance to have him as your offensive coordinator.
Are you going to replace Mike Sandford with Brennan Marion, like,
because that that would be ultimate um uh kind of
weird move. Um, there are a couple of people. First
of all, I was dead serious last week when I
said throw the bag at jet Fish because you actually

(11:30):
have to, yeah, reclaim the broken shot. Jet Fish knows
how to dig up. So so I was afraiding about that.
I'm afraid that Colorado was going to go to the
scratching dent man that they are gonna try to pay

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throw the bag at like Matt Rule when he gets
fired or or somebody else, it's gonna be a sketchy
higher instead of somebody young and innovative. But that that
feels like that's the direction that it's going. I feel
like Arizona State, on the other hand, is gonna be
more innovative, probably and more younger, somebody who you know,

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like can provide some energy. I think that that's where
Arizona State's gonna go. I think Colorado is gonna take
the much more conservative approach and fail again. Well, what
do you think about Dan Mullen? What do you think
about Dan mullin for Colorado? Some of these guys that
that are actually taking a year off, um, that have

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been that have been out of the game. Um, you
know he's one of them, Um, coach Ordern absolutely not,
absolutely freaking not. Dude. He can't bring all the women
to the practice. So so no, Okay, he's living his

(12:57):
best life right right now. I think there are guys
that did get booted out of the last cycle. Okay,
what about Paul Chris or do you think he's done?
Because when you get fired by your alma mater, it's
a little bit different like if you get if you

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get booted, then you might not necessarily have the motivation
to go somewhere else. So I don't know, I might
throw him out. Paul Chris, I would not. The only
reason why I wouldn't hire Paul Chris is because he
didn't have a recruiting department for like six months there,

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So I don't know how interested he is in recruiting,
which is a problem. What about a guy to like,
what about a guy like Kenny Dillingham whose interest like,
let's say that obviously he's interested in Arizona State. I
know for a factors on the state's interested in him.
But if they go a different direction, and you know,

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the best he can do is become a head coach,
why would he not take that that opportunity. I think
that's something that, um, they could look at. They did
mention that they want, They did do the Arizona State
thing like young, energetic, and then now they're using words
like energy to describe Mike Sanford. You need more than energy.
You need somebody who can actually drop up a play

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that works, um, and you needed you need a roster overhaul.
If you're on that roster, you gotta understand bringing in
a new coach the n C Double A rules allow
people to cut. Yes, they allow whoever comes in is
gonna cut like twenty players off this roster. Oh yeah,
you you already know that's happening. So we will see

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who they hire. Now on to Stanford. We both respect
David Shaw, right, but what is happening at at Stanford?
Because they beat Oregon last last year and that felt
like an anomaly, like that felt like a bunch of
things came right on the same day for them. Officie

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coordinator being hurt, Mario Cristo, ball, liking to play ball,
how he likes to play ball offensively. A lot of
things factored into that, and they had a couple of
penalties go their way and stuff like that. So the
question is is, if you are Stanford with the results
of the past few years, what do you do? What

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do you do? Because it's a tough place to recruit,
they only have one transfer in how how do you
like do you keep David Shaw? Do you? Because I'm like,
if I'm them, I don't fire David Shaw because I
know how hard it's going to be to get another

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head coach. But at the same time, I probably forced
him to hire a new offensive coordinator, somebody young, innovative,
that's not gonna do. What's what's been going on? Because
since eighteen, well since yeah, twenty eighteen, Stanford waxly seventeen
they went nine and five and nine and five, nine

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and four, four and eight and then four into the
COVID year three and nine and now they're one in three.
So it's like all those the first years. So he
took over for Jim Harball in two thousand eleven, so eleven, twelve, thirteen,
they won eleven, twelve and eleven games. Then they won

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eight games in fourteen and then twelve and twenty fifteen
and ten and uh sixteen, So you can't blame this
all on you know, Jim Harball was there, he got
things rolling and no because David Shall brought his own
recruiting classes and all of that. So what has happened now?

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And I think that the aim has passed his philosophy
by not that they don't have good enough players, even
though they do need better players. Yeah, it is on
the stances that David Shaw has taken are honorable. They're
not sensible, but they are honorable. Stanford is Stanford. You're

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not going to be able to easily grad transfer in
You're not easily going to be able to get into
grad school now that eligibility has been extended. If you
were on a certain academic track, you're not gonna be
able to take advantage of the trans reportal and the
early signing day kills you. Um, so you you have
all of these things. The stances he's taking are honorable,

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they are not necessarily practical or sensible. I have less
sympathy for him going out like the last samurai. Knowing
that he's the highest paid coach in the conference, or
at least the second highest paid coach in the conference.
You could get somebody into Stanford for one thing herd
of his salary and reinvest seven million into the health

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and welfare of Stanford's athletes and making sure that it's
a world class, unique experience. Because they also do, and
you've pointed out multiple times, they do treat the players
much more like college kids than they need to. Yes,
they treat them exactly the same way as they treat
everybody else on campus, but they're not because their scheduled

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demands are not the same, and there are no professors
making ten plus million dollars a year on campus, David
Shaw is so I think I think that it's possible
that it's time to move on the other thing that
I see that could actually uh delay Stanford's demise because
they are twelve and twenty two over the last four seasons,

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and if any other coach in the conference and any
other school in the conference had that track record, we
would be talking about is it time to fire the
coach that wasn't even herm Edwards record, that wasn't even
her Edwards record. So I the what I see is
there is one thing that could delay, not cancel, but
delay the demise of Stanford, and that is moving to

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the Big twelve or the Big Ten, I'm sorry, the
Big Ten. If they are able to move to the
Big Ten, they could probably go back to some of
the offensive they could they could be competitive. Eventually, there'll
be another Vanderbilt. That's just the cards that have been
dealt by the n C Double A and the standards
that Stanford has set. But if they're going to remain

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in the Pac twelve and they're gonna pay David Shaw
ten million dollars a season, and he's not gonna uh
change out any assistant coaches, he's going to continue to
treat college kids like they're just regular students, and the
n C Double A rules are going to continue to
negatively affect Stanford. There's no way out of this. In
my opinion, no change is the only way you will

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always have good players at Stanford, though, because like like
the current interim head coach at at Arizona State, Shawn
Iguana once said, when he was the head coach of
Chambler High School and they were on their run of
winning state championships, he said, I would love for my
kids to stay in state, but if Stanford offers my kid,
I'm taking the pen out of my son's hand and

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to listen live. All Right, Washington at u c l A.
Let's get to the games. Washington thirty two, u c

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l A forty. Washington made a late third sixteen points
in the fourth quarter, but this game was not even close.
This game was not even close. At the end of
the third quarter, it was forty to sixteen. Forty to sixteen. Uh.
Dorian Thompson Robinson got on an absolute heater. He was

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like at the craps table and he kept hitting his
point buddy, the defense kept hitting their point everything. Dude.
That this felt like the equivalent of of you going
to the to a casino and saying my favorite numbers
thirty three. Put it on thirty three, and then you win.

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You're like, let it all right on thirty three again.
You hit it again. Then you're like, let's let it
all right on thirty three again. You hit it three
times in a row, and then you and then instead
of doing at a fourth time, you take the money
and run. That's what you see l A did. They
didn't go broke and they are now five and oh,
Zach charbon At was really good. Dorian Thompson Robinson was

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pretty good, and we found out that that Washington is mortal. Yes,
a couple of things about this game. This is the
third time, third time made me correct me if I'm wrong.
This is the third time I've seen Dory and Robin
Thompson Robinson and into Superman. Oh against USC last years

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last year, and then that insane game against Washington State. Oh,
when they when they came back from Yeah, that was insane. Yes,
then they won in the sixties, Yeah, yeah, that was silliness.
So now it's a It's one of those things where
like this could happen at any time. It's pot I
was blown away by how easily U. C l A

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moved the ball no matter what they did, especially in
that first half. It was like cutting butter with a
hot knife. It was it was and I was shocked
and then defensively and correct me if I'm wrong, but
this is what I saw. It really felt like they
were looking at some of those rainbow throws that Michael
Panos makes, and they said they looked at their safeties

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and they said, all right, just stay home. Make it
look like you're playing too deep. But if you stay home,
you're gonna have a chance to step up and pick
up pick off one of those throws. And I thought
that was a good strategy. And then Michael Panicks still
figured out what to do towards the end of the game.
He still threw for over three yards and four touchdowns.
He still looks really really good, but he had an
adjustment to make, and I felt like just a great

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game plan all around. By u c l A shocked
me because I think I had them outside the top
six in our power rankings last week, and I had
mentioned that I turns out South Alabama is pretty damn
good by the way, and turns out there good and

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uh and and maybe we should have been given u
c l A credit for forgetting that win at home.
Um and and overcoming fumbling problems to either be in
that situation the first place. Um. The other thing that
stuck out to me about this game in particular is
that U c l A can stop the run. Yeah. Yeah,

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because they held Washington to three point four three point
one yard to carry and but for their backs like
about four yards to carry. Yeah. That and that after
watching what Arizona State did against USC this last week,
makes me and it really makes me wonder if that

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if Washington can't get this right, they might start to slide.
You know, I thought they'd be SI in Oregon, but
oh well, And and then it does make you wonder
how much of Washington's schedule permitted them to to look
the way that they did, which is the same criticism

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that people had about U c l A because they
played Kent State, Portland's State Uh, Michigan State and Stanford,
Stanford's terrible. Portland State and Kent State are who they
are in. Michigan State is not looking good at all
this year. So so and then they lose to U C.
L A. So I'm not even sure if we know
who Washington is yet. I think that they can read

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high powered offense, but they can also like they were
looking untouchable and now you're like there are mere mortals. Uh.
And and speaking of uh, speaking of Washington though it's
it's it is no fluke. What they're doing offensively, um,
defensively is now what has come into question. But Michael
pennockx Jr. Who has been this is his fifth year

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play in college football, getting meaningful steps he is has
already reached his career high in yardage in a season.
Do you believe that, Yeah, because he's never finished the season,
but the fact he's already a seventeen hundred yards passing
and his previous high was He's also thrown more touchdowns

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this year and then in any other season. There's sixteen
this year and the war is a good situation. Yeah,
if you can throw the rock, you you had ad opportunity. Brother,
you had that opportunity, all right. Um, Now, Oregon State,
who was mad two weeks ago, their game against USC

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didn't get put on national television, and neither did the
Utah game. Well, the USC game should have absolutely been
on national television. That was a good game to watch.
But this game against Utah, they got their ass kicked
sixteen to forty two. Utah absolutely just opened up a
can of whoop ass. And I think we figured out
the Oregon State does not have a quarterback at all.

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Chance Chance Nolan through another two interceptions, um, after throwing
I think four the Previoyeah against USC the previous week.
Uh go Goldbrison, who I didn't even know was on
the roster because I thought Jeva or uh you know,
or rock Morton or somebody else was gonna be in

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front of in front of him. But nope, he came
in through another two two picks. They have to figure
something out at quarterback, bro, you have to figure something out. Yes,
and Chance Nolan who has now thrown like six straight interceptions,
and somebody on Twitter called him a turnover philanthropist, which

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instead of a turnover machine given away. It's brutal um,
But he has been limited in practice he's got a
neck injury and now so now they're having a split reps,
which is going to be tough. Um, between Ben Goldbrandson
and Chance Nolan. It almost makes you wonder should we

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just bring Jet Coletto back since he already does the
short yardage duties. Maybe maybe? Um, they ran the ball
okay against Utah. This is just Utah is just this
good uh. And I think that if you gave Utah
hell last year, Kyle Whittingham started game planning the next

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day and so it's they are running through people right now.
And I definitely respect, I really respect what they're doing.
The the emergence of Devon vleet Uh has made Utah
that much more dangerous. And I don't know, I think
Oregon State's gonna be all right. There were a lot

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of people that were a lot higher on them than
you and I were, and we talked all offseason about
how the quarterback position was going to be the one
thing that holds them back. So no surprises for me
in this game. Um, I think we both took Utah
to cover last week, so I it but the fact
that they kept their foot on the cast pedal in
the second half was it was interesting. This is a

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twenty one to three second half, Um, And it just
goes to show that that that Utah knows, especially after
that Florida game, they have to finish games. Yep, yeah, yeah.
I think that just like the Oregon game was a
wake up call for well that the Georgia game was
a wake up call for Oregon, this was definitely that
was definitely a wake up call for Utah as well.
Because I got a chance to talk to um Kyle

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Whittingham after that game, and he was like, listen, we
didn't stop the quarterback run. We didn't stop to run
well enough. I thought we handled the environment well. But
this is something that we got to grow from and
you know we and I thought that they were like yeah, yeah.
And Utah, who looks to play a conservative style of offense,
they don't. They don't get in struggle matches. They knock

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you to hell out, all right, Um, And going into
this week, I want to point out, going into this week,
Clark Phillips was getting hype as one of the best
defensive players in Fact twelve. And what happens often when
you're getting right, that's called living up to to the hype.
He is He right now is like far and away

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in the lead for the defensive player of the Year
in the conference. All right, cal at Washington State. This
was a COW nine Washington State. This is one of
the seeing I feel bad right on on on some
level because I've had to because of this podcast and

(30:14):
because of my job, I've had to say some honest
things about some people that I like and their offensive
coordinator over at cow their defensive coordinator, and they're head
coach who are all Oregon guys. Two of them I
played with and one of them was my officsive coordinator

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in Jacksonville. So it has hurt me and it's probably
hurt our relationships as well, because uh because yeah, because
I saw Justin at Pactwell media day and he was
the same, real happy with me and um and I

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texted r o Ce. He text back, So I was like, well,
you know, it's okay, you know, like I don't I
don't condemn them as people, but as football coaches, there's
a certain standard. He need to be better. And and
then and I've never said that Justin Wilcox is a
bad coach. Never, I just said I didn't didn't want
him coach in Oregon unless he was gonna be surrounded

(31:19):
by top tier recruiters. And I was like, there's no
way that he's gonna leave, you know, uh, Peter Sermon.
They're like, no way, no way. Who's one of his
best friends played with him at Oregon. There's no way,
and some of his other staff. So you know, it
is what it is, man. You He's got a situation

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at Cal and Jack Plumber was efficient throwing the ball.
He was twenty three for thirty three and Washington States defense,
which has not been like super stout against the past,
just just did a just didn't get done. And cam
Ward gave them two interceptions, gave them and Cal didn't

(32:07):
turn the ball over. Cal didn't. Cal lost, Cow won
the turnover the turnover battle to to zero and lost nine.
And it's not Washington State has way better players than
Cow does. Yeah, ten points off of ten possessions, ten

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points off of ten possession, zero points possession, Oh my god.
Nine that's right, less than a point per possession, buddy.
And they were in the game. They got to be
so frustrated. Their defense has to be so frustrated because
it was tennis seven three and a half two. It
was seven and three at halftime. I don't have anything

(32:56):
bad to say about Cal's defense here. There's just only
so long, you know, the defense was staying out there. Yeah,
your was optics has to help you out. They have
to help you out because they gotta. They gotta have
some quick decision stuff. For Jack Plummer too, because it's

(33:16):
not the long developing plays. He just gets hit and
then everyone he'll go out there and he'll run and
he'll give up his body more and it's just not
nothing's working out for him. So and this felt and
on the Washington State side, this is exactly who I
thought cam Ward was. He does good on the quicks

(33:37):
but when he has to sit back there and throw
the ball, he's not as efficient at it because he
waits on either people to be wide open or for
the play to break down so he can then you know,
ad lib, which he which that's where he's best, is
a ad living. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, we were told,

(33:59):
we were told Bernard was gonna show up this season,
and I think this is the first game where I've
really seen him do that. Yep, that's big. And so
if he if he's gonna be there, for for a
cam word um moving forward, then I think that you
know they're gonna have some big place yea and Cal
didn't run the ball very well, only ran for a

(34:20):
net thirty one yards. Uh Jaye and not did have
sixty nine yards. But this is just Cow's offense is
the thing that's holding them back. Yes, and it has
to be frustrating for Cow fans to keep running into
the same issue like their their offense has been a
problem for the last four years. Mm hmm. And this

(34:47):
feels like a you know, if you always do what
you're always done, you always get what you always got.
Like you you you have to like they're like they
went from the complete opposite of sunny Dikes, where sunny
Dikes could score, couldn't stop a nosebleed. Now they can't
score and and their their defense gives them an opportunity

(35:10):
to win. It feels like tone said, It feels like
tone setting. And this is a kind of ugly football.
You can play against teams that are better. You're either
gonna have a team that you're better than stick around
because of you, or you're you're gonna muddy things up
for a team that is better than you. A s
U has been going through this hell and now you know,

(35:32):
cow has been doing it for longer than them. So
I don't know what to say. It feels like tone
setting from the top. They're gonna have to do something.
They they made a couple of o C hires that
didn't work out. Um, and you know, is that because
Wilcox wasn't willing to give well, you know, they're free,
free rein or what. Yeah, but they're they're also restricted
by money too, because when a guy, when your head

(35:55):
coach is making like three million dollars, it's gonna be
hard to get an OC that's under you know, that's
around six hundred thousand or less. Yeah, Like, that's gonna
be tough. So now you have to you know, so
now you gotta go with young guys, you mean, like
young guys who are new to the profession or first

(36:18):
time o cs. It limits your options. It's just frustrating
because you you're you have just out there in the world.
You got Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn Lynch to Sean Jackson, some
of the most exciting football players on offensive side of
the ball, Yeah, in the last fifteen years and that

(36:38):
and they're not able to like market that Yep, not
at all all right? Uh, the team that got his
coach fire and jet jet Fish out here. Who would
have thought that Jetfish got getting getting coaches fired? Um,
Arizona forty three, Colorado twenty. Dude, if if last, if

(36:59):
two years ago, I told you that Arizona prior to
Jeff Fish's first game actually, or even last year, at
any point, at any point last year, if I told
you that Arizona would beat a Pack twelve team by
twenty three points, would you have believe me? And I

(37:22):
think even prior to this season, No, prior to the
North Dakota State game when they were not favored against
an FCS and I and I said on this podcast
that the spread wasn't enough. I told you, man, je
Fish got these dudes out there jumping. Man, he's doing
the best possible job with what he has. If you

(37:45):
were having a bad day, or you were having a
bad year, there is nobody better to remind you of
it than Jaden Dolora. He don't always show up against
the best teams or the best schemes, but if you're
not on your ship, Laura, your life. He threw from
four and six touchdowns. That's why they fired the defensive coordinator,

(38:10):
forgot about the offensive coordinator. And they're like, yeah, but
we scored twenty points against Arizona. Their defense is awful.
But Arizona overall is getting better. So so while I'm
saying that their defense is awful, the team, the program,
everything around this is getting better. Like this is something

(38:32):
that kids want to sign up for. I'm telling you
this right now. From recruiting, they are out in these
streets buzzing, bro because they're like, oh oh, because the
recruits are like, oh, progress not perfection. And when you
have a when you have t Mac as a freshman

(38:54):
is contributing, Dorrian Singer as a walk on had a
hundred sixty then on scholarship. Now, but you're you got
a former walk on, a local from Pinnacle High School,
same high school as Spencer Rattler, nine catches for a
hundred sixty three yards and a touchdown. And then you
have Jacob Cowing, who they brought back home from U TEB.

(39:15):
And not only is he living up to the hype,
he very very much belongs in in like like he's
doing the things that we expected out of Jordan Addison
and Jordan Adison looks great, so like an exciting offense. Dude,
everybody eight. This is one of those games that if

(39:38):
you're Arizona, well their their backs aren't quite as quite
a quite as happy. But all the wide outs, oh,
nobody's upset. Nobody. They're all like, oh we're We're all
their top top guys. We're all here eating bro. Yeah.
And then you have Hunter Eccles who couldn't get on
the field at USC had a back and a half.

(40:01):
So then you you kind of open it up as like, oh,
this could be a transfer destination if I'm not you
know that it's just there. Hit the portal hard in
the off season, and they are gonna be people that
sign up for it, and then they're gonna be better
next year. Yeah, because they can point. They can point
to Jacob Cowing and Jayden Dolora the same way that

(40:23):
USC can point to Kayleb Williams and Jordan Anderson. They're like, hey, yo,
oh we need we need some corners. Yeah. Not everybody
could be a trojan If if they don't want you,
you're welcome here, all right. So is there anything worth
talking about about Colorado? Uh? Trevor Woods had twelve solo

(40:48):
tackles at the safety position. That's what that's like, Jordan's
Simony su worst past defense in the country levels where
Simoni was having to go out there do all the
work himself. Oh my god. Yeah, you never want to

(41:10):
see a safety with twelve solo tackles. No, Nope. Fox
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s R to listen live. Alright, Arizona State USC, this

(41:30):
was a game where USC just leaned on them. They
just leaned on him. This was a twenty one to
seventeen game at halftime and USC just like leaned on
him and was like, we're better than you, we have
better players. And it showed like I I didn't take
anything negative from you from a s U about this game.

(41:56):
I just thought that us USC had more more players.
Like that was that was it. They just made a
few more plays and in the in the first half,
I was like, Oh, this is a game if as
you can get a stop in the second half, it's
a game that could go down to it. But nope. Yeah,

(42:16):
uh my takeaway from this game is I'm I'm an
Alakayla Williams believer, and I think I told you this
on the phone. There's maybe two dozen quarterbacks playing college
football right now that will eventually get an NFL start
of some kind. Twenty three of those quarterbacks could have
been the quarterback for USC in this game, and they

(42:37):
might have lost because they had some bad center players
and some bad packle play. Yeah, he just made play
like and the cod bar was he didn't. He didn't
go out there and make throws that you're like, oh
my god, like this is the greatest throwing up. He
just managed the game. He got away from sacks and
then just efficiently delivered the football all Yes, he did

(43:01):
have a pick, but he completed se passes. This was
just a I thought this was Caleb Williams best game
of the whole season because he didn't because he was
under pressure and he just delivered the football. But this
is going to be USC's undoing. This is why USC

(43:23):
will not go undefeated this year because of what we
saw the last two weeks. If Oregon State had a quarterback,
they would have won. If if a SU had a
if a SU had their team from last year. They
probably they have a good chance to win this game
in terms of talent talent wise, you know, and you

(43:43):
can keeping Marie Jones back there too. But if you
just give them all the players that transferred out, they
probably win this game because there is I mean, even
though some of them are on USC's team. I just
don't see like I thought USC should be credited because
they did exactly what they were supposed to do. They

(44:05):
had a good offensive performance, but you can't be okay
because they have problems blocking up front. Yeah, and and
if anybody actually sacks Caleb Williams because he's not Michael
Vick so he can't or Lamar Jackson where he can

(44:25):
keep We're like, You're like, eventually they're gonna get him.
But then you're like, no, it's Michael Vick. No, there's
going to be somebody that there or a couple of
teams that they run into that actually get Caleb Williams
on the ground and he's not able to you know,
avoid all these secs and they're gonna lose or who
aren't surprised that they're like that that two seconds after

(44:48):
the snap, you're standing right next to Cayleb Williams. Some
of these defensive linemen are good at what they do,
but they they they they're they're not you. They're the
dog that catches the car. They don't know what to do.
Once they get there. You're like, oh my god, because
they yeah, I'm here, Yeah now, so now how do

(45:09):
I sack him? Yes? Um, but it was it was
a gutsy performance by him. Jordan Addison once he has
the ball in his hands, he did a lot of
yards after catch stuff in this game. That impressed me. Um,
Travis Die, you know, it's a it's a it's a
it's a um, it's a tragedy and uh and a
triumph at the same time. Uh. And then just again

(45:32):
because he could be doing that at Oregon or I
feel the same way about Eric Gentry on USC's defense.
I just Oregans Oregon is happy with without Travis Die,
though they have a better back right right now, Bucky
Bucky Irving is better than Travis Travis Die. All right,

(45:55):
I'm gonna let you uh cope, I'm not coping. I'm dead.
I'm dead serious. I could not be any more more serious. Bro.
There nobody in Oregon is crying tears about Travis Travis
die Nobody, not one single person there. I have not

(46:17):
one single Oregon fan. And you know I'm on the
boards of all of these of teams. Not one single
Oregon fan has been on on either seven or the
on three board. Maybe like, oh my god, I wish
we had Travis die back. We need him back in
the room. Nobody. Okay, all right, Well, I personally don't

(46:39):
like InTru conference trains. I want to see people thrive
where they go. They're more than welcome to do whatever
they want. But when I look at Jacoby Covington and
I'm like, man, he could have been in that Washington secondary.
When I look at Eric Gentry, I'm like, he was
a freshman All American at Arizona State, and would love
to see him finish up on on on that. You know,
when I look at uh, Travis die and I look

(46:59):
at what he was doing Oregon, it would have been
cool to see him finish. Yes, yes, it would have
been cool. And he made a personal mistake by doing that.
And no, no, no, no no no no, and and and
the reason why I say that is because he's lost.
And I'm talking about after after football is over. He's lost,

(47:23):
like he has severed the tie with the Oregon. They
still fool with his brother, but they're like, oh you
you you are left you were one of Organ's sons. Yes,
but you're but you're not really a trojan because you're
just a higher gun at this point. So you're not
going to be embraced by USC and their network the
same way that you would have at Oregon, where you

(47:45):
would have been a five year starter. You would have
been regardless. And the only way you're gonna be embraced
at USC is if you do something that no one
else has done in ten years. And so you're not
gonna be Reggie Bush. You're not gonna be Lyndale White.
You're not gonna be o J. You're not gonna be h.
Charles White. You're not gonna be h. He's not gonna

(48:07):
be no. Know what I'm saying, Like, you're you're not
gonna be a USC guy. So, well, I think you
and I are speaking the same way. You're You and
I are speaking the same language. Where I do think
that people don't understand the advantages that come with with
going through and not everything is in your control and
something is in this opportunity, Like yeah, he he would

(48:32):
have never he would have thrived financially after because because
he's not a long time in a NFL player. If
he makes the NFL, so what running backs are. But then,
but then, but then there are there are guys on
their team where I'm like, okay, I get it. Austin
Jones probably would have been wasted at Stanford, Brandon Rice
was being wasted at Colorado. But but my my, I

(48:55):
think my main thing is I do want to see
when when somebody makes a decision to go to a
PACT twelveth school, I wanted to work out for them. Yeah,
I want to work out for them. And when they
transfer in conference, and when you have like twelve of
them in a year, it just gets it just gets
dizzy ng. And every time I see a guy that
we've covered, um, I just you know, it's just a

(49:15):
reminder of what of what was I don't know. In
the same way there is on a state having an
Xavian Valade because as a Wyoming fan, I'm like, ah,
and then U see as Solomon Bird, So Solomon Bird
was tackling Xavian Valida, and I was, you know, flipping
back and forth between watching Wyoming get beat. Uh, I
think by San Jose State and I'm like, this is
too much. I will say this about a s U.

(49:37):
They looked better. I think some things are working. Brian
Thompson coming back and be in this is another intra
conference transfer from Utah. If he's going to give them
that deep threat, then that makes them a little more dangerous.
But as it stands right now, if I'm gonna be honest,
Emery Jones is the tenth best quarterback in the Pac
twelve and that's not gonna cut it there now, twenty

(49:59):
four straight games without a three hundred yard passer. He
had a few interceptions dropped in this game. He is
not doing what is necessary in my opinion. Yep, yeah,
that makes sense, all right. Next game up, we had
Stanford Oregon. When I looked at this spread, I was like, Oh,

(50:22):
this is easy work right right out here in Oregon.
You did say that, yeah that this felt like a layup. Bro,
And just like this weekend at Oregon minus thirteen at Arizona,
Bro that that's it's gonna be a layup. But this
Oregon team is Ever since that, uh, the Georgia game,

(50:49):
this team is averaging almost fifty points a game, Like
if you take away that Georgia gave their averaging fifty
points a game. The offense is going crazy. The defense
looks good. They are dominating lesser opponents. They are playing
like they have a bunch of five and four stars
high four stars on the on the field. Yeah, I

(51:13):
mean and vote Nicks does not have to be the superhero.
And when you can run the football, keep him in
goodtion situations, they're fine. But what Oregon did is in
the game against Stanford, which is not tenable at all,
was the amount of penalties, bro the The amount of

(51:34):
penalties was stupid. Fourteen penalties for a hundred and thirty
five yards, including like six false starts. Stop it. You
cannot do that. You will lose. Yes, you cannot do that.
You will lose against better football teams. If you do
that against USC or U c l A, you're gonna lose. Yeah,

(51:56):
so I feel you. I just want to point out,
uh surprise surprise after week one and what we saw
from Bounix and his fourth career loss to Georgia. Bo
Nix is on pace for thirty yards passing and seven
hundred yards rushing. So no, if he this up in

(52:20):
Oregon goes twelve and eleven and one. Oh, he will.
He will be in New York for the for the
Heisman ceremony, not not saying he's gonna win me. Yeah, maybe,
and then and then it would take some other people
falling off. I think and it, but I think people
are just gonna I don't think it's gonna get out

(52:42):
of people's mind what happened in week one. But it's
possible he gets to go if if if he keeps
doing this, because you also have to understand, yeah, yeah,
I'm saying if he keeps doing what he's doing right now. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. A four thousand yard season with
I think forty touchdowns, don't that you're responsible for should

(53:06):
get you an invite if your play in a major conference. Yeah,
and if you're one of those teams that's eleven and
one and he keeps playing like this, he will get
an invite because that's because that's what they do. They
and you would be inside the top five at that point,
and you would have because of the way that things
are structured in the fact that PAC twelve is actually

(53:27):
getting some national respect. If Oregon was to go eleven
and one. It would include three to four wins over
ranked teams. Yes, yes, over Washington, Utah, potentially usc U,
c l A like yeah, all those things would would
definitely yeah. Yeah, that's why I say that, all right, So, um, Stanford,
Though people love Tanner McKee, I don't. He's he's a statue.

(53:54):
He's a statue. Can he throw the ball yes? Does
he throw a nice ball? Yes? Can he throw the
ball all the time? No? Because he can't get away
from anybody to extend to play. He's he's He's Caleb
Williams with cement shoes. But you're the one saying that
you liked that they took it upon themselves to adopt

(54:17):
the slow mesh stuff from wake Forest. I didn't think
it was. Well, they only do the slow mesh, they
don't do the rest of the stuff wake Forest does.
I thought that they were they only took that, they
didn't take the rest of the offense. Yeah. Man, he
gets hit a lot, and Stanford, I think it's been
a while. He was getting frustrated at the end of

(54:38):
the game. I would be too. It's funny because I'm
looking at Tanner McKee and Jack Plumber doing the Spider
Man mean thing right now, because they both throw such
a gorgeous deep ball. But you've gotta be more than that.
You gotta have escapability. You gotta make up for your
offensive line if they're not able to hold their blocks. Um,
and you've gotta have people that you can check down to.

(54:59):
And I just don't see that happening. And Stanford obviously
losing Smith at running back is oh yeah. And and
and Philkins every single time he touched touched the ball
after the play, Like, what what are you coming out for?
Every single time you touched the ball? Bro? You gotta
suck it up, all right? Um, I don't know, dude,

(55:20):
because if you if you click on his profile picture,
I don't know. Does that look like a feature running
back to you? That looks like an equipment manager? All right?
So now onto our pack twelve power rankings for this week?
What do you have? From twelve to seven? Colorado firmly

(55:42):
in the bottom. There there's always one team just cemented
to the bottom. Yeah, I dut I thought long and
hard about this, but I do think Arizona State would
beat Stanford if they played this week, And so I
have a s you above Stanford, so as he's currently
in ten, um Arizona and ninth, but the distance between
nine and ten is enormous. Uh. And then I have

(56:05):
Cow at eight and Washington State at seven. Okay, we
have the exact same twelve to seven, except I have
Arizona and Cal flipped, even though Cal beat the ship

(56:25):
out of Arizona. Yes, yes, what and and I know
that that feels like a lot, right because the previous
week Cal beat them forty nine to thirty one. But listen,
I think that after last week. I think that was
a bad game for Arizona. But but I can't argue

(56:49):
with with with your logic and net like they just
beat them a week ago. But I'm doing like a
a p pole voters where I was saying this week
though they were way better, they beat him. If you
nine times out of ten, they'd beat them. So I'm
I'm acting like a pole voters. Yeah, so I'll have
my AP vote pretty so. Um, there's recency bias and

(57:10):
recency insanity. Yes, all right? Who do you have six
through one? Oregon State? Which is amazing because if they had,
if they had any one of nine other quarterbacks, I think,
did you give them ja. If you give them even
Jaden Dolora, there's a god. Yeah, or give them camp

(57:35):
cam Ward way better. But now imagine if you gave
them um Cam cam Rising who runs a similar offense. Yeah, yeah,
I agree. Uh, so I have I have Oregon State
at six, Washington at five, U c l A at

(57:57):
four because of results, and uh and then USC at three,
Oregon at two, and Utah at number one. I do
feel like the distance between one and two is almost
as big as the distance between eight or nine and ten,
Like you mean you take to me is way out
there right now? Um, just they're playing complete football games. Yeah. See,

(58:20):
now we are the same in your six to one,
except for I have, oh, Oregon State at five in
Washington at six. So Washington fell from one to six
bro for me last last week because I thought that
they had earned one, right, I thought that they had
earned one, but then they lost to a team that

(58:42):
I had fifth, So I'm like, I don't know. Yeah,
so yeah, and I have U c l A fourth,
USC third, Oregon second in Utah first all right, no, no,
now for this week? Well, actually, first, how did we
do last week with our picks? Because because we did
have a review that was like, do not listen to

(59:04):
their picks? Yeah, do not take gambling advice from And
I think that's more mainstream gaming advice because again I
went to the thing that all on our Friday picks
that we do. Um, I'm having the worst season of
all time. I'm usually around uh and this season it's
I was six and like thirteen going into this week.

(59:26):
So the one thing that I can always get healthy
on is finding unders to pick. So I went all
unders this week and I went one and I went
one and four. So like it sued, I, I don't
know what to do. But on the Pack twelve, then
we actually after two weeks ago going two and four,
we've both recovered. Well, you went five and one and
I went for him too. Nice nice, nice beta leader

(59:49):
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All right, um, so you know, because you know, I
mean humble, humble, humble. Um, all right, So we have

(01:00:10):
five games this week. First, all up on Saturday, we
have you taught at u c l A what's the
line on this game? Utah and U c l A
currently has Utah minus three and a half on the road.
Oh man, Now, can you ce l A strike twice? Right?

(01:00:35):
Can they strike twice? I am going to say no.
I am gonna go with Utah, but they're not gonna
get blown out. I think it will be like a
six point victory. So I got Utah minus three and
a half. I think Utah is the best team in
the conference. Uh, they have historically been bad in l A.

(01:00:58):
But they they are really think themselves of all of
their ills. They're just shedding off all of this stuff
that has been uh sort of the bugaboo for for them.
And they did struggle with Anthony Richardson's athleticism, but Cam
Rising also blew that game with an errand throw at
the at the end of the game. The Rose Bowl

(01:01:20):
is not going to be the same environment as the Swamp.
It's gonna be seventy and dry and fans so give
me Utah and I feel the same. It might U
c l A might keep it close, but I do
like Utah to to win by about a touchdown. Yeah.
I don't see a scenario where USC ends up being

(01:01:42):
able to I'm sorry, well, I mean, well, I guess
there is a scenario where you ce l A wins.
I just don't think that that is probably the most
likely scenario that that USC. I'm sorry that you U
c l A ends up encountering So do I they
can win? Yes? Do I believe they're going to win? No?

(01:02:04):
Because they win this game, DTRS confidence is gonna reach
a level that is like like like he's gonna think
he's Stanos and c l A may not lose again
if he reaches Stanos status. If what actually, if they're
able to be Washington last week, come back with Utah,

(01:02:28):
beat Utah, have a week off, and then if they
beat Oregon, Dude, he's then Thanos. He's then Thanos. USC's
going U c l A is going to the College
Football Playoff if they beat Utah and Oregon. Book it.
Book it because because after that, who the hell is

(01:02:48):
gonna beat him? Stanford, Arizona State Arizona cal USC is
the only team that would have a chance to beat them.
The fact that you're thinking about a Path twelve team
going undefeated in conference makes me nervous because we don't
do that here. You're like, I don't know where you're from,
but are you new around here that it doesn't have

(01:03:10):
the black panther? Mean, we do not do that here alright,
So uh yeah, so that's the pick. Next game, Washington
at Arizona State. This is a daytime kickoff, a one
pm Pacific kickoff. Um, what's the line in that game?

(01:03:33):
Washington minus fourteen? Really USC only one by seventeen, right,
so it's it's gonna be and a SU had the
ball twice in the third quarter with the ability to
take the lead. Uh, and so it was closer than
the sevent teams, which suggests, Yeah, so it's gonna be

(01:03:55):
ninety degrees on Saturday. M hmm, hasn't The temperature in
Seattle is six those games in Tempe, Tempe, Phoenix, same place.
I was, yeah, yeah, So I was saying that that's

(01:04:16):
gonna be the the temperature in Phoenix. Temp Um, you
said you said Seattle. No no, no, no, no, no no
no no. I said it's Seattle. After So I was,
I was just giving the reference for the temperature in Uh, yeah,
it's in the So today it's sixty three, it'll be
on Saturday, it will be seventy three there, so nineties

(01:04:37):
a big difference at one o'clock. Ye, that's uh, it's
in in the Dirk Jerseys. So get this. The last
time that Washington one in Tempe, you were playing at Oregon.

(01:05:00):
How many times have they played down there? That was
twenty two years ago? No, no, no no two one season. Yeah,
so that's twenty one years ago. So how many times
have they played down there? Like? Eight? Maybe seven? Eight?
Mm hmm, including coming in as the number five ranked
team in the country and losing to Manny Wilkins. Dude,

(01:05:23):
the Arizona is the place where, like records and and
and yes, yes, yes, Oregon had a dream die there
a couple of years ago in thanks. Ye all right,
so give oh, give me Arizona State all day. If

(01:05:44):
this is a seventeen point line, I don't give me
Arizona State. Please give me all of it. This feels
like lay up time. This feels like Minnesota minus twenty seven.
This feels like Oregon minus seventeen last week. Mm hmm, yeah,
lay up, bro. Arizona State has the longest streak in

(01:06:07):
the country of not giving up fifty yard plays. Uh,
and Washington is a big play offense. Something's gonna give
their Michael Panics is not as mobile as as Kaylee
Williams uh, and it's possible he's going to take a
couple of hits in this game. Washington is by far

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the more talented team, but I don't see two touchdowns
in Tempe Um. I don't think Arizona State's winning this game,
but I definitely don't think it's too touchdowns. So give
me Arizona State plus fourteen. Oh it's fourteen. I thought
it was seventeen fourteen. Yeah, alright, Uh, fourteen is a
little more, but I'm still taking Arizona State. Alright. Washington

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State at USC, if this game we're in the police,
I would feel a little bit differently about it, but
but I need to know the line. First. USC is
actually favored by twelve and a half. That makes sense.
That makes sense sort of because USC they throw the

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ball well. Obviously Washington State doesn't necessarily throw the ball well.
But Washington State just extends plays and make stuff muddy.
They make it muddy. Oh man, all right, I am
going to go with Washington. I think USC ultimately wins
the game, but I'm gonna take Washington State because as

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you saw against Oregon, they will keep fighting until the
very last second even if they can't win. So they're
gonna crush the spread. Even if they're down by like
eighteen with thirty seconds to go, They're gonna end up
crushing this spread and breaking somebody's heart. Give me Washington State,
I feel the same. Their only loss, obviously is you

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know Oregons come back. Um. Oregon was able to move
the ball at will in that game, but you know,
we know how it turned out. I think that the
problem for Washington State is they'll turn the ball over.
USC just isn't doing that. They're not. They've won to
turn over this year. Uh So without extra chances, I

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don't see a chance for Washington State what you did there.
But twelve and a half is man, it's right there too,
because I can see a thirteen point when like clear
as day, I'm still gonna stick with Washington stayed on
this one. Going with road dogs is always tough, especially
multiple road dogs. So hopefully there are not too many

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more of those I know, right all right, the next
game up Oregon at Arizona. This is definitely not a
road dog. Um. This game is on pack twelve Network.
Oh so I didn't even tell you guys. So the
you utah U c l A is on Fox with
Tim Brando and Spencer Spencer Tillman. Washington Arizona States on

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pactwe of Network with j B. Long and Lincoln Kennedy. UM.
Washington State and USC is on Fox with Noah Eagle
and Mark Helfrich Um. The Oregon Arizona games on pactwe
of Network with Ted Robinson and Yogi Roth, and the
Oregon State Stanford game is on ESPN with Mark Jones,

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Robert Griffin the Third and Quent Cassate uh Kin. Alright, so,
Oregon Arizona, what's the line on this game? Oregon is
a thirteen point favorite. This is an absolute layup. Give
me Oregon all day, easy work. They're probably gonna win

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by twenty four? Do you think so? Yes? All right, Well,
because you just jumped to Arizona above cal and all
your excite been about what they what they were able
to achieve. Just swim swimming in the deep end here, buddy,

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do you think? I mean, it's in Tucson and it's
at night. It could be tough. Maybe, I don't know.
It's thirteen is a lot the over under seventy yes, yes,
so so so if the over under a seventy right,

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So if you split that in half, this thirty five each,
you take thirteen away, so that gives them twenty three.
So that's twenty three to wait no, no, no, so
that ends up that starting Yes, so that's thirty five

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minus seven is plus six, so forty one so eight okay,
but you'll put you right under right, Yeah? Okay, uh,

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that actually feels res but but yeah, I'm like, I
got like forty five which would put you right. Yeah,
I want to go with Arizona in this game. But
but but you know who? You know who calls plays

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for Oregon? Kenny dialing him he wants a job. And
you know what, and you know what state? This game
is being played in, Arizona? This is audition. Oh my god,
he isn't he might be having a meeting the night
before the game. Why why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't he
Arizona states at home? I'm telling you they are seriously

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considering Kenny dialing it. They are Arizona state? Is he
is on? They have an internal list of stuff they're
looking at. I'm not sure they're going to go to
the route of the search firm. They're taking to Kenny
Dillingham things seriously and Kenny, Kenny Dillingham coming to the
state of Arizona when the Arizona State game is gonna
be over, and so everybody in Arizona who has the

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back to one network is going to be able to
watch Kenny Dillingham work against the team they hate. This
is important for him. So I guess give me Oregan,
give me Oregon hate it but nice Alright, last game
on the slate, Oregon State at Stanford. I don't care.
I don't care about this line Oregon States winning this

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football game. Well, actually their quarterback play steaks bro. What's
the what's the line's Stanford favorite? No? No, no, it's
Oregon State by seven on the road on ESPN for

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everybody to watch. I cannot believe the Oregon Ares on
a game isn't the one that's on national TV. The
Oregon State, Oregon State. After the last two weeks of
playing an obscurity, now they get a national televised game. Hey,
they didn't. They didn't want last week's game televised, but
they did want the USC wouldn't tell televised. All right,

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do you know what do you want to do? You
want to know why this game is important, Why the
loser is going to be at least oh and three
in Pact twelfth play Because Stanfords oh and three now
in Oregon States oh and two. Oh, that doesn't matter,
neither neither one of these teams was winning the conference anyway.
But but it does. This is this will be a

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bad loss for Oregon State because this puts their Bowl
chances at sketchy. Yeah, because they're three and two right
right now. This will give him a fourth win, which
will put them squarely at an opportunity. All they need
is two wins out of their last six games. Two yeah,

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as opposed to needing three when you have like Washington Oregon,
Washington State left on the schedule. I think they still
got cal and um yeah, yeah, it could get sketchy.
So this is a a game they need to win
if they want to go to a ball game. Yeah.
I think the way to beat Oregon State is to

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overpower them. Uh and I don't see Stanford doing that.
So I like Oregon State to win. Seven on the
road is a lot. But what choice do you have
the other option is to go with Stanford, and that
feels like we'll ride with Oregon State and I am
to do but but but I will say, I don't

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love it. I don't love it, alright. So the last
thing we have to talk about the is the Arizona
State and their head coaching job searching job. You mentioned
that Kenny Dillingham is on the short list. Is Brennan
Marion even being considered for this job? He is? Who

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do you think they end up? Who? Who else is
on the list? Shawn Iguano, who is the interim head
coach right now? Yes? And then I think that there
are some some other outside the box guys that they're considering.
I don't think they've thrown away the idea that Jonathan
Smith would leave Oregon State. But to me, why why

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would you go? Like I don't I don't understand the
Jonathan Smith thing and he gets floated out for every
single job. I don't get it. I think he's in
the perfect place for him. UM, but his offensive coordinator,
Brian Lindgren is somebody who they might look at. Uh.
And also former University of Virginia head coach Bronco men

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In Hall is someone I think that they're taking a
serious look at Bronco has had He did have some
success at Virginia. But that's the other part about a retread.
So Virginia wants to win, So like, why do we
think it will work at a s U now right?
And what I worry about is is bringing some You

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want to bring in somebody who's just gonna do the
right thing. You don't want to bring in somebody who's
I talked to somebody last night about this and I said, look,
whoever comes to Arizona State, they're they're gonna need to
basically have a presentation ready on compliance. And what that
person said back to me, because we were talking about
Brenda Marian. What that person said back to me is
the answer just needs to be how you do anything

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is how you do everything. I do anything is how
you doing everything. So any candidate that is approaching the
Arizona State job that isn't a hundred percent all in
on the idea of being compliant, UH is going to
be somebody that they dismiss outright. It has to be
a priority for them. It just shouldn't be the only thing.
There's so many things that need addressed at Arizona State,
whether it's you know in UM in state recruiting, re

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establishing the footprint of UM of Arizona State, maintaining the
academics which have continued to get better and better. But so,
but here is my here is my current proposal, because
we still don't have the notice of allegations delivered from
the n C double A right, Ray Anderson came out
and he said, we're gonna give Sean I. Guano an
honest crack at this thing. There is no such thing

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as an honest crack at being an interim head coach,
because how are you going to recruit as interim you?
You literally can't do it. Shann Iguana just had seventy
of the top players in in Arizona high school football
out at practice yesterday. Here is here is what I'm
going to float. Because the notice fake allegations has not
been delivered yet, I think it might might behoove Arizona

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State to extend the interim tag through the end of
because that's what an honest shot at well or or
what you could do is, and that that that's actually
not a bad idea to extend the interim tag. But
what a is she is gonna have to do is
probably give him a content whoever the new head coach

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is a contract like they gave Josh Hype over at Tennessee.
They like, listen, we know allegations are coming, Like we
we know this, so we are going to guarantee you
enough money and guarantee you enough time to fix it
and to deal with whatever penalties come down the pipe.
That way, we can't fire you during during this time.

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That way we tie ourselves enough to you. That way,
you have enough time. So I think that that's what
Arizona States going to have to do if they want
a good head coach, They're gonna have to be like,
all right, look, you can take this job, and we
know that this situation sucks, but we will make sure
to give you the time, resources and energy to give

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you a chance to be successful. I agree, I I agree,
and and and at the same time, based on the
seriousness of some of the stuff that they're facing, UM
and the idea that they said they were going to
give Shawn Iguano a shot, I don't personally believe that
nine games against you know, with three ranked teams at
the very beginning of that schedule UM and and no

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ability to be able to tell the recruits that are
part of how you're going to be judged that you're
actually gonna be there next year. I don't think that's
an on a shot. So either they need to say
thanks for your service, Shawn Iguana, but your tenure is
up at the end of this year and we're moving
forward without you, or they need to seriously consider the
fact that these allegations are coming down the pike and

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they need to give him one more year to figure
out if if he can actually do uh an in
person proof of concept moving forward. That's the way I feel.
It will never happen, but that's the way I feel
about it, because uh to say that you're judging somebody
based on if they can collect some players and get
them to commit to you, when you're not even gonna
be able to tell those players whether you'll be back,
that's gonna be the thing that precludes those players from

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committing to you. So I don't know. I just I
want them to be up front and honest with Sean.
I guant on this guy care about a lot, and
I want to see him have success whatever his next
step is UM. But I do know they are taking
the name Kenny dolling him very seriously, and Brenda Marian
as well. Um, and that Bronco Mendenhall is somebody that
for what he did at b y U at Virginia
is someone that they would they would strongly consider. But

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the issue for Arizona State now becomes you can have
guys on a short list, but now you have competition.
It's it's one thing if you're three three candidates for
one open job, but now Colorado is open, and Georgia
times open, and Nebraska is open, and Wisconsin's open. Because
one of the guys, I would have said, if Wisconsin
hadn'ta fired, I would have said, throw the bag at
Jim Leonard. Yeah, he's gonna go home when the when

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the time comes. But like that's a dude that you
definitely would want for because you know your your your
defense is going to be trill trill entertainment television. All right,
you guys, I'm George Raiser, He's Ralpha Amaston. That's the
PAC twelve Apostles. Hopefully you guys have a great weekend,

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