Pac-12 Apostles - UCLA Overlords

On this Episode of the Pac-12 Apostles Podcast, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden welcome UCLA as the new overlords of the Pac-12, and discuss their offensive dominance over Utah in last weekend's 42-32 win. The guys discuss whether Trenton Bourguet should start over Emory Jones after ASU's upset of Washington, and try to figure out what the future holds for David Shaw after a crushing last-second loss to Oregon State. Also, George and Ralph heap praise on Caleb Williams and Bo Nix, while discussing what Jayden de Laura needs to do to keep Arizona out of a free-fall. Finally, predictions for the four conference games coming up this weekend, as well as Stanford's trip to Notre Dame. #fsrweekends

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans, This one's
for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only
the Truth lives here twelve Apostles Apostles. I'm George Rice Stir,
He's Ralph Amason, and this is the Pack twelve Apostles.

(00:21):
This week we got a lot of big time action
in the Pack twelve. We had upsets and and controversy
and everything else. Um So, Ralph, after a strong start
to the season, how would you great this week for
the Pack twelve Week six? Well, if we're still pretending

(00:45):
that U, C, l A and USC are part of
the Pac twelve, if there had never been any real
amment talk at all, that I think this would be
a pretty damn good week. But instead we're looking at
like the oh hey, we're losing the two bass teams
in the conference. It's not like we're the Big twelve,
looking at Texas being middling in Oklahoma getting blown out

(01:07):
and probably not even being a favorite against Kansas this weekend,
like the Big twelve is has already moved on. Well,
they're already trying to determine the hierarchy of what their
conference is going to be after Texas and Oklahoma bounced
and uh, and we're sitting here like, uh oh once
the t l A schools go, what are we? And

(01:27):
I know that that that it's just it's a bummer
because you can't enjoy U c l A doing what
they did to Utah because you're like, man, but also
they're leaving yep, exactly like people. I've been on people's
shows and they've been like, man, how's the Pack twelve doing.
I'm like, bro, there's no back to pack anymore. It is.

(01:48):
It is tired, I mean, and how can you say
back to back and care anything about what U c
l A and USC are doing? Not even a little bit. Uh,
It's better, sweet man. I feel like the four other
guys and in sync watching justin timber Lake released with
Jay Z. Oh my, so dude, I'm sitting here and

(02:11):
we actually got news that well from Greg Flugar, who
has been all over the conference realignment broke USC to
the that they were talking to the Big ten. He
now says that the hot window is now closed and
that expansion is on pause for right now. Do you

(02:32):
believe that to be true? Yeah? I do. I know
you consider him to be credible I've watched some of
the videos that you have sent um uh that he's
done to me. I love how like low tech they
are still I don't care. You could be talking college
football into a paint can out in the desert and

(02:54):
I'm probably gonna listen. Like, but he seems to have
a pretty firm grasp on what's going on, obviously as
the the track record, But it was like this week,
we had conflicting reports that Oregon and Washington were about
to bounce now that the exclusive TV negotiating window was opened,
and then he came in and he shut that down.
I think that, I think, I think everybody it's in

(03:16):
everybody's best interest to seek the best possible short term
deal for for the Pack twelve products UM, so that
you can we can find out if three or four
years from now the Pack twelve is still viable and
worthy of keeping everybody in the fold. I also think
it gives the Pack twelve the ability to reach out
to other schools to make sure that we stay at
twelve and UH and also you know, give them what

(03:41):
to expect when they come in, because it's probably gonna
be at a discounted um at a discount of rate,
And my guess is we're gonna be raiding Mount West team.
So I don't know. The whole thing is very very
interesting to me. Um. I was thinking this week, why
stop at twelve? I was, I was really considering, like,
why if you are going to get everybody into a
discount of rate on a short contract, what's the point

(04:04):
of going to tool? Like why not? Why not go above?
And why not do what the Big ten does for
the Big twelve does and not have the number mean
anything and just bring in the California schools and maybe
un LV or something. So what San Diego State and
who else? Fresno, San Jose, un LV mm hmm, oh god.

(04:26):
They feel so beneath us. They feel so beneath us, um.
And I mean as an Oregon guy this year, a
couple of years, you couldn't say that about right, um,
So I do as an Oregon fan. If this news
is true, I hope it's not true because I want

(04:48):
us in the Big ten. I mean, I just I
just just do for financial reasons, for recruiting, reasons for
getting a national championship reasons. I think that you're better
off there. Um. I think that USC is gonna find
a tough time in the Big twelve adapting to now.

(05:09):
Granted they have to play in weather some when you
had to pull him independent on the time of year,
Oregon State, depending on the year, you know, even Seattle.
But listen, it ain't like that heading to Michigan, Michigan State,
Ohio in in in November and December. Bro, it's be
colder than the witches titties out there. Um Now, now

(05:34):
it'll be interesting because I think that we're gonna find
more out in short order. So man, but there's still
so much influx. So let's get to the games from
last week. Um So, first game up U c l
A Utah U c l A forty two, Utah thirty two.

(05:56):
I thought U c l A was going to have
good shot to win this game. But Dorian Thompson Robinson.
There is no player that gets hotter than Dorrian Thompson Robinson.
I mean, not Bryce Young, not c J. Stroud. When
this dude, when he gets hot, he's cooking with Crisco.
Bro cooking with absolute absolutely Crisco. Like there's nothing you

(06:18):
can do to stop him. He threw for two yards
and four touchdowns, had a couple of rushes that were
very important to keep drives going. Zach charbon At went
for buck and a touchdown, like you taught, I think
that we saw in this game. Utah is good, you

(06:41):
taw solid on both sides of the ball. There's solid
on defense, solid on offense. But solid doesn't beat good teams.
Solid loses forty two to thirty two. Well, you the
thing with with Utah and U c l A in
this game is you can make a pretty strong argument
that up until eleven minutes left in the game, not

(07:02):
only was it still a game, but you talk probably
should have had the lead. UM that first that first
drive of the game, like turning the ball over, uh
and then turning the ball over multiple times, UM coming
out with you know, and that they had held I
think U c l A to a missed field goal.
It was it was enough of a game that with
about I think it was about eleven forty left in

(07:23):
the fourth quarter, then in you but U c l
A never slowed down, never made more than one or
two mistakes. The offensive line, which is made up of
four seniors, three red shirt seniors and a and A
and a red shirt freshman, like they the missdirection stuff
they were doing where everybody would pull left and then
they toss right and say like all right, utah's the

(07:45):
lineback because let's see how good you are tackling and
Zach Sharmon they just exploited them all day long. I
thought the offensive line was so dominant. And the thing
you bring up about Dorian Thompson Robin said about when
he gets hot, there's just a few times in sports.
But like you watched Ken Griff Jr. Walk up to
the eight and he had like the swagger in his Yes,
you knew what was gonna happen. Barry Bonds, Yeah, yeah,

(08:08):
same with the same, same with Barry Bonds, Like you
have uh, you know, a runner like there's no uh,
Like the bases are loaded and it's like, all right,
are we gonna are we gonna walk him in? Are
we actually gonna have to be or are we gonna
give up one run of four runs? Yeah? And when
things are going well for U. C. L A. You
see him walk up under center and it's just the

(08:29):
level of confidence and cool and collection. I'm I'm such
a big fan of his because it's um he he
grew and people get locked into that narrative of whoever
you are early in your college football career where he's
trying to do No, he's the growth of Like his
growth and and maturation is something that I talked about

(08:51):
when he said he was coming back. I was like,
I'm all in. I was like, this dude is going
to raise his stock as an NFL player big of this.
And when you look at this game comparison, four hundred
and seventy nine yards to five eleven h one nine
rush into two twelve, I mean the average per rush

(09:13):
four point five five point six. Uh, I mean the
numbers were so like so close on both sides that
it's clear that the turnovers, the two turnovers by Utah
were the difference in the game where U c l
A only had one because there were four or four

(09:34):
in the red zone they were four. You have tad
On Thomas on your team. It's not just the turnovers,
it was the turnover on downs. You have tab On
Thomas on your team on a fourth and one and
you run a quarterback sneak with Cam Rising and he
doesn't get it. Yep. Are you surprised that U c
l A. After like, after the way their seasons started

(09:57):
because they started slow against Bowling Green. They almost lost
the South Alabama like that. This has turned into the
knocking the doors off of Washington, which which I think
that we've seen that Washington's defense is terrible. But knocking
the doors off of them and then turning around and
beating Utah, this is what people were expecting out of

(10:19):
chip Kelly. And if you notice people are actually in
the stands at the pack twelve, I'm sorry at um
at the Rose Bowl, now, yeah, I mean it's hard
to feel that thing. So it wasn't you know that
deep in the deep in the first quarter, you still
had one end zone that was completely empty. But it

(10:40):
was well, that's been because people were trying to get
into the game, because they because they forgot. Dude. Then
when I went to the South Alabama, Dude, when I
went to South Alabama, from the time I parked to
the time I walked in, I mean granted I parked
extremely close, like I could have thrown a rock and
hit the stadium, but but still that would have normally

(11:00):
been at least a twenty minute walk in. It took
me five minutes to We'll go through the metal detector
and get to the tunnel five minutes and what with
the amount of people there the for the Utah game
that was like a forty five minute or an hour. Yeah. Um,

(11:22):
I'm hoping that people continue to come out and see
a great product because again, when you talk about the
offensive line and and DTR that's you know, there are
so many upper classmen on this team that it's not
it's not going to be that way. It's gonna be
um not not necessarily a rebuild or reload. We don't
know what it's gonna look like with Ethan Garber's or
if they bring somebody else in. It's gonna be interesting. Though.

(11:45):
Right now, they've they've matured, uh together, and they understand
this system and the way that Chip Kelly kind of
game plans for each individual opponent. You're not gonna put
as much energy into this how the conference stuff as
you do the inconference stuff. So it's no surprise to
me that they look better in conference than they did
in some of those out of conference games. Um, they're good, man,

(12:06):
They're they're good. I underestimated them. I had to bump
them in the power rankings pretty drastically. And I will
also say that like this, this offensive line to me
is the key to the conference. If they stay, if
they stay healthy, I think they have a legitimate shot
to win it all playoff. Will they went out. I

(12:28):
don't believe that that's a thing, like until I see it,
that's not really a thing that happens here. Um. However, however,
I think this is something Utah will learn from. We
have to understand. Utah is notoriously piss poor in so
count notoriously pissport and SoCal. Like the fact that they
got the game against USC last year was the extreme outlier.

(12:52):
So I think if you put these teams on a
neutral fielder, you put them in Salt Lake. Again, what's
the game USC in Salt like this week? Buddy, that's
gonna be tough. We're gonna find it. And shout out
to Clark Phillips for the stat pad pick six. Yeah,
that's pretty funny. Um. Washington Huskies thirty eight, Arizona State

(13:16):
Sun Devils fort. When I was watching this game, I
was like, wait, what, excuse me? Excuse me? Like I
knew that Washington's defense wasn't what we thought it was.
But then also that's super surprising considering what they did
to Michigan State. But then you're like, holy, like bro,

(13:37):
Michigan State stinks right now that that is a terrible,
terrible football team at this point in time. But you
had Michael pinnockx Jr. Who's lightening it up three and
eleven yards. He didn't throw it for a touchdown in
this game, surprisingly um one interception and um and Trenton

(14:00):
board Game, who has been much maligned, came in for
Emery Jones through three touchdowns a d eighty two yards.
I mean, are you surprised at how this game went
at the quarterback position? Yes? And no. I mean you're
talking about Trent board Gay being much it is my guy,

(14:22):
but we're like we're talking about much Maligne like by
her Edwards, like not not by anybody on the outside
because nobody knows anything about him. Which was he a
walk on? He was a walk on? Yeah he is.
So here's his whole back story. Had we had him
on for an hour last night on this a s
U Twitter spaces that I co host last night to
just talk about his backstory. He is the seven on

(14:47):
seven god, Like, that's who he is. They started a
seven on seven organization in Tucson called Tucson Turf and
him and his friends dominated every elite player in the country,
and now that organization is upwards of two kids across
all age levels. He and his father started. He played

(15:09):
dB and quarterback in seven on seven tournaments in like
ten different states across America over the course of his
high school career. So not only was he in quick
passing situations. And you know that seven on seven can
be highly beneficial depending on the attitude you take toward it. UM,

(15:29):
but the best, the best thing for any quarterback is
to get reps. He has thousands more reps than any
other quarterback because of the dedication to seven on seven
in tight windows spaces. He also played defensive back against
some of the best quarterbacks in the country. UM. He
took his initial team to like the championship game of

(15:50):
the first tournament, and he had like a like a
fourth grader on the roster with him. He's he So
he's really well known in certain circles, but in the
college football circles because he didn't get those offers. Even
though he set five a passing records in the state
of Arizona. UM he's five eleven, one seventy and so

(16:11):
he didn't. He didn't. He he chose to walk on.
At Arizona State. He's been in the running to be
the number two quarterback despite the fact that they have
seven on scholarship for like the last three years. He
probably could have gone into this season as a starter.
He was endorsed by some of his teammates when um
Jalen Daniels left for l s U. However, um her

(16:31):
Edwards publicly said that the quarterback of the future might
not be on the roster yet, and he went shopping
for Emery Jones and they brought him in. Um Trent
was Trenton was recovering from injury and and didn't have
the best spring, but there wasn't really a separation between
the two. So what her Edwards said was we need
a guy who can give us results when everything breaks down,

(16:54):
and for him, that was Emery Jones. And we've seen
what Emery Jones brings to the table over over his
six games. Starter. Uh Trent bore Gay is somebody who
knows the offense back and forth. He's a crazy football mind.
Whatever physical limitations you might think are there, he's going
to get the ball where it needs to go. So
for him to come in. It wasn't nothing that happened

(17:15):
was a surprise. That's who he is. I think it
was a surprise to a lot of people that your
backup can move the offense that efficiently after four straight
years of like one read and run. Yeah, so uh
not a surprise. At the same time, thirty five offensive
points in two and a half quarters when you struggled
offensively that much, was a surprise. It was much of

(17:37):
a surprise to see Jordan Clark getting nine tackles on
a pick six when he's kind of been injured and
he's on the similar side. Um, I don't think I'm
not Washington's defense is obviously bad. I think it's a
scheme issue, not a talent issue, and their offense is
obviously good. They can't play in Tempee. It's been twenty
one years since they won down there. I still consider

(17:59):
Washington to be the better team overall. I think in Seattle,
I think it would go the other way. It's just
gonna be really interesting to see what a su does
from here. Because Emery Jones has a concussion. He's coming
back from a concussion. They got a buy a week
and then they have Stanford what would you do? You
saw Trent play, you saw the way the the offense move,
You've seen five weeks of Emery. I know what I

(18:20):
would do, but I'm not objective, so I'm from an outside.
Oh my god, it would depend on practice for me
at that point, Like like, I don't know if this
was a large enough sample size to make a full switch,
but you did only win one game with Emery Jones
at quarterback, and this is one of those things. If

(18:42):
you make that change, it's a it's a full it's
a full change. Like like you can't be like, oh,
I'm gonna play both, No, you have to make a
full change if that's what you're gonna do. Full change.
Don't listening to Fox Sports. So you say depend on practice, Well,

(19:03):
so that you're not, because how do you subscribe to
the whole thing of like you don't lose your job too,
And even though we have a million examples losing their jo,
that is a That is a lie, Craig, that is
a lie, dude. Yes, you can lose your job to
to injury. Now, if I think it would have been
easier on Arizona State if they had a game this

(19:24):
weekend and Emery Jones couldn't play, and then Trenton got
another start. I think that would make it easy. I
just think it's gonna be hard to make that switch
off of you know, three quarters of football. Yeah, um,
and then and then. And it makes you wonder because
if you leave it up to Pras because it wasn't
like Emory was bad. He was seven for nine before

(19:45):
he went out. He was he was, he was moving
the ball. Would the same thing have happened. I mean,
it's I think it's pretty night and day. Like I
think you watched the two quarterbacks, and there are very
obvious differences in the way the offense moved in the
way that you know, I think Emery doesn't like to
turn the ball over, like Jade Daniels didn't like to
turn the ball over. So there's a couple of times

(20:06):
where like Dave Brian Thompson an opportunity to catch a
deep ball even though there were two defenders in the area.
That's not a thing that I've typically seen from memory. Yeah,
I think it's an interesting situation because you have an
interim coach and Emery Jones was herm Edwards guy, but
her Medwards is gone. It's like that line from Hamilton's Well,

(20:29):
It's like, hey, we signed a treaty, but it's like, oh, yeah,
we signed a treaty with the king, and his head's
in a basket. You want to take him out and
ask it, like he's offended that we broke the treaty.
He's dead, so Herm Edwards has gone. Shawn Iguano is
trying to fight for this job. He's gonna have to
make a very tough decision. But this is what he
signed up for. It wants the job. You have to
make these tough choices. Hey, hey, if they if they

(20:51):
go on to finish like five and seven, boil boy,
I think that that that that this is Sean shan
Iguano's job if he can get to five wins. And again,
I want to reiterate that I think it should be
Shawn Iguana's job. In I don't think s you should
be making any decisions until they until they And I'm

(21:16):
okay with having an interim we we uh what Bud
Bud Seek was an interim commissioner for like six years
before he was the actual commissioner. Like, I'm fine with
having an interim for for eighteen months. If that's what
makes understand that's tough for recruiting. Though, that's tough for
recruiting in the portal era, they're already in hell. You
talked about it. You you you had a rant Matt

(21:38):
rule this week. You had a rant on Matt rule
this week where you brought up Arizona State's UH roster issues.
You know it's gonna be it's gonna be tough for
whoever comes in unless they are able to bring in
twenty guys from the portal who are ready to play
right away. That's true. UH. Next game up, Washington State

(21:59):
fourt in USC thirty. Now, watching Washington State play is
probably one of the more frustrating things that I can
Like watching this game and watching Washington State, I was like,
I'm so frustrated, so frustrated because now they ran the
ball at ten yards to carry with with Jenkins, he

(22:22):
only got thirteen carries. Cam Ward when he has to
be on time, it's good. When when it's like quick
passing game, when he has to stand back there survey
the landscape, he's just waiting on an opportunity to make
a play. And like there were some people that were
alluding to him in the NFL. I was like, nothing

(22:44):
about cam Ward is an NFL quarterback at this point
and at this point in time, not that he can't
be later, but at this point in time, he's not
an NFL quarterback. And USC just held on. But I
want to I do want to interject with a way
that your former offensive coordinator used Justin Herbert to say, like,

(23:05):
we sometimes we don't know because someone is being used
in a way that's not olive to their strengths, right
and you, but you would figure that a coach that
has been with with cam Ward at Incarnate Word and
now at Washington State would understand how to use them.
This game was infuriating, though please continue. Yes, you you

(23:28):
had Washington State miss opportunity after opportunity after opportunity, and
then on USC side, it was frustrating if you're USC
fit because you're like, why can't we run away from them?
And this is what I've been trying to tell people
about USC is that they are not the seventh best
team in the country. They have major flaws. They just

(23:51):
haven't running into anybody who can expose the well, actually
they ran into Oregon State. Oregon State exposed it. The
problem is Oregon State literally has no quarterback right now.
They threw four interceptions four and they lost and they
only scored seventeen points. Think about that, Yeah, four interceptions

(24:13):
and you only score seventeen points. That means that you
can be put in a in an absolute headlock. And
USC has played Rice terrible, Stanford terrible, Fresno State bad
this year, Oregon State no quarterback, Arizona State at they
just ran out of talent, and in Washington State just

(24:36):
missed opportunity after opportunity after opportunity. And if you're a
USC fan, you were build on this, Like if you
notice how they would come out, it was our offense
is gonna be great, is Lincoln Riley. They're not scoring
as many points as that, Like, they are not uh
at the point where people thought that they were gonna

(24:57):
be the number one offense in the back twelve scoring offense.
They are fifth in the pack twelve. They are averaging game,
but it's number number one. Look who you've played. And
also like their fifth in the pack twelve and scoring,
and they don't have the type of open field playmakers

(25:18):
that they're gonna need to make this system go. The
thing I worry about with the pack twelves. Wait, you
said they don't have enough open How do How don't
they have playmakers? They got Mario Williams, the the the
kid from pitt people are Some people are really fast
possession receivers are They're the guys that take it, take
things over the top. Not everybody is a guy that

(25:38):
can get a screen and and make two or three
people miss for those huge chunk plays of yardage after
the catch. They got a bunch of guys that will
bring the ball down if you get it in their vicinity,
and they'll create space and get open. But I don't
see USC getting a bunch of yards off of getting
the ball to a playmaker at the light of scrimmage

(25:59):
and letting them work. Uh. Arizona State was able to
slow USC down for the most part by keeping everything
in front of them. Oregon State was able to do
it through the same also having length of the defensive backfield.
You know, the USC is in a position where it's
testing the outside to see you know, are your defensive
backs going to come up and make the tackle? And
so far the answer has been yes, So until they

(26:21):
get until they get a couple of guys, and and
I'm not saying that they're devoid of talent. The thing
that scares me about USC is so many teams have
let them get away with not being fully meshed as
a team. Yet that by the end of this season,
if everybody is tapping into their talent and getting coached up,
then in USC finds their footing, it could be bad
for everybody else. So you missed the opportunity to beat

(26:43):
them when they were actually vulnerable. And Washington State missed
a huge opportunity because one player on fifteen touches had
a hundred eighty four yards one player on your team,
and you weren't forcing the ball to him, you weren't
running the ball you. It reminds me you have you
ever been playing Uno and you have like Draw four

(27:06):
wild card in your hand, but you only got like
four or five cards left, and you know that that
you're gonna play that card and that's gonna turn the
game around, and and the pile. Something gets put down
on the pile and it's not a color that you have.
You could play that wild draw four, or you could
risk and draw out of the pile and see if
like you can keep keep that good card in your hand, right,

(27:27):
That's how I felt like running is working. But they
were trying to see if they could get cam War going,
and he was getting sacked over and over and pets
shirt over and over. There was no reason why they
couldn't have been running that the slow mesh or the
draw or or or handing the ball off. There's no
reason they couldn't have been doing that. And they just
gave USC so many chances and killed their own drives.

(27:49):
It was very frustrating to watch them on offense. It
made me feel like they're fraudulent um. And that was
the same thing that I came away with. That was
the same thing that I hime away with. Now. I
put out a tweet after the games. Well, during the
games this weekend, I said Travis died, while I said
Bucky Irving from Oregon the running back greater than Travis die.

(28:13):
What you said on our show last week too? Yeah,
And people thought that that and they're like, oh, you're
a hating no, and I said, there's there's no there's
no hate because Travis dies a good back, Like, there's
no denying that. He also, while he was at Oregon
fumbled too much and he and like he's not as

(28:34):
elusive as people think he is. And and he's broken
some tackles at USC, like that's that's what he does.
But he's lighting the ass, so like there are times
where he gets tackled by by people and he can't
fight for those additional yards. And so that means that
I think that Travis Dive is a really good back.

(28:55):
But I think Bucky Irving is an NFL back. Yeah.
I look at Travis that is like a third down
guy in the NFL if he gets his pass pro right,
like that's yeah, but it's gonna be hard for him
to pass pro at that size in the NFL with
them linebackers running downhill because they're gonna be like I'm
not going around you, I'm gonna go straight over you. Yeah. Yeah.
And I I understand that he is a very good

(29:17):
college football player. I always enjoyed him. I fought with
you on this show for years about him. He at
one point he was carrying the ducks and and I
get that he I get that he fumbles. I also
think that, like it's been so ingrained into football people
that fumbling is like cheating on your spouse or something
like that then it happens. Yeah, And sometimes it's a

(29:40):
ball security issue, and sometimes it's the fact that like
the the way that people are, Like I look at
the I'm out here in Charlotte and I watched the
way the Carolina Panthers playing. There's eight dudes on Christian
McCaffrey every time he touches the ball, because they all
know the balls coming in his way. He would not
be I'm amazed that he holds onto the ball like um.
But I don't know. I think that they are getting

(30:01):
the most out of Travis D right now. He's a
rental for them at at USC. I understand your tweet,
and I understand that fans are going to feel that
way anyway about the players that chose to stick around.
But but but based upon my my history and what
you know about me and Travis D, do you think

(30:24):
that that's hate or do you think that's what I
objectively think. I think that you have been Here's what
I'll say. I do think that you've been hating on
USC all year, and I'm fine with it. That's anyway.
It doesn't matter to me. However, However, you have had
legit criticisms of Travis d for years, so it's not

(30:48):
like you change at all. And when he was doing well,
you were like, oh, he's improved. Oh, I appreciate him,
especially when it was like six of the yards were
going through Travis Dy they could get c J. D
all go and you're like, oh, if I have to
like this guy, I'm gonna like this guy. But you've
never been a Travis Ti guy through and through, and
so there's nothing about it where I'm like, oh, he's
just being a USC hater or saying don't let the

(31:10):
door hit you on the way out. You wouldn't have
mind him sticking around. But I don't think Oregon's missed
to be and I don't think you're wrong about that part. Yeah,
I think Oregan's running back room is better this year
than it's been since since like Kenyan Barner and Michael
James were there, which makes it mutually beneficial because I
don't know if ye correct, I don't know if he's

(31:32):
getting twenty touches in Eugene this year correct. And people
are like, well, look look at the stats he's got.
He's higher than him a rushing He's got five hundred
and seventy seventy one yards compared to Bucky Irving who
has four twenty nine. Yeah, but Bucky Irving also literally
has exactly thirty thirty less carries. So you you give

(31:52):
a dude who's averaging over seven yards to carry in
additional thirty carries. Yeah, I'm gonna taken, But I have
to say time, it would have been fun to see
Travis d and Kenny dolling Ham's offense because they seem
to get a lot of players in space and that's
where he was at his best. Correct, Now, what did
you think about Caleb Williams, Because this dude is a magician.
This dude is a magician. And the thing I love

(32:15):
about him as a player, it's not that he always
makes these heroic big plays and all of this stuff. No,
he just manages the game really well, like he's clearly
got elite talent. But the thing is he doesn't throw
the ball away to to the other team. He doesn't
at all. He so he protects the football. He gives

(32:37):
you a chance to win and that's the most pro
And he will throw to you in one on one coverage,
which that's not an emory thing, that's not a Jaden
Daniels thing like that. You have to give your receivers
a chance to make a play, and he'll do that.
Has he been perfect? Is his completion percentage all that great? Now?
I think completion percentage as long as you're getting chunk

(32:57):
plays can kind of be uh overrated. I don't. I
don't have a lot of patience for people right now
who are trying to poke holes in his game. Oh
you know what it is, but I just don't there
it seems like there's so many people trying to say
that he's not. Like I brought up how Dorian Thompson
Robinson's confidence levels off the charts, and a bunch of
people were like, I wanted to get into a discussion

(33:18):
about how he's better than Kayleb Williams. They're two very
different football players. I'd be happy to have either one
quarterback in my team. But it's not. It's just not
the same. It's not the same. Dorian Thompson. Robinson's like
that learning curve of all of those mistakes that he
made that doesn't exist in Kayla Williams history. He's either trying.

(33:40):
He's either trying to figure it out or he's making
it place. He's not costing the team. USC Dy haven't
left a bunch of stuff on the table because of
bad decision making on his part. And I think he's
just his level of preparedness and how he doesn't get
shook and his ability to make some plays I don't
think anybody else in the country can make. I don't

(34:03):
think it's a conversation about about who is better. I
think they both work for what correct, what what is
going on right now? I just that KYLEB. Williams stuff.
I've seen enough. He is very, very special, and I
don't see him having like a big drop off or
making a bunch of mistakes. Have we seen them when
they're down. We've seen him in close games and he

(34:25):
wasn't like he wasn't perfect, But that you know, I
think that we will find out more information about him
this weekend versus Utah and the and this team. You're
listening to Fox Sports alright, Oregon fort Arizona, UM Oregon.

(34:46):
Opportunity for Arizona, huge blown opportunity because they didn't need
to get blown out in this game. Correct. Correct? It
started with that fumble and in the when when they
had the ball in the red zone. I think it
was all zero zero, like at the seven yard line
with eleven minutes left in the first and they fumbled,
fumbled with the ball and the rest was history, buddy, like,

(35:08):
like that was the ball on a wide receiver end
around from the inside exchange that was so unnecessary and
would have gotten blown up. Yes, you know, if that's
why the exchange went wrong, I think it was just
I think it was just trying to get way too cute,
but like that was unnecessary and you might look and

(35:29):
see like, oh, and then it was twenty one three,
but that's not even the story. It was seven three
at the end of the first quarter and Arizona had
the ball in Oregon territory. They did not need to
get blown out. But they spent the whole first half
playing like they were down twenty eight, trying to get
back in the game. Well and see, but that's the
that's the thing that happens when teams play good teams,

(35:53):
they feel like that they need to press a little bit.
And then when Oregon started scoring, when it was like
fourteen read, you're like, whoa, whoa. Then it's twenty one three,
and and that's where you do not want Jaden Dolora
in that situation because because when because he's a guy
who's going to and I mean this in a good way,

(36:16):
he's going to try to will his team back. And
when he yeah, and when he gets correct and when
when he gets into that mode, it changes, you know,
he gets a little more risky, a little more inaccurate,
balls get in trouble, you incomplete passes, and then you
don't end up, you know, being able to to get yards.

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And Oregon has done a fantastic job against the O run.
So they're averaging giving up I think ninety eight yards
a game, which is the best in the conference. And
when when they make a team one dimensional, that's when
they've got you. If they if you are forced to

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if you cannot run the football, then then that creates
a significant problem. Or like what if you make yourself
one dimensional for no reason? And Oregon would have won
this game, they probably would have wanted by two touchdowns
because I think four quarters tells the truth. But she's
as stute. But didn't I tell you didn't? Didn't I

(37:21):
tell you that? That? What was the line in this game?
I was like, bet, bet, bet the college fund on
that one, buddy, that this was such a layup talked
about like Kenny Dillingham was back in Arizona. He he
left offering a few kids in the state of Arizona.

(37:41):
He went out to games. You knew he's gonna want
to beat that ass because no matter what Arizona is,
no matter if he's gonna be in the running for
the Arizona State job or not, that he was juiced
to be in his hometown. It was like Paul Pierce
playing against the Clippers or Lakers, like he was home
and he wanted to show out, and you knew Oregon
was gonna put points on the board. But the biggest

(38:01):
difference in this game to me was if bone Knicks
looks down the field and he sees that he might
have somebody fifty yards down the field, but it's second
and four and there's a six yard window of open
space for him to move the sticks, He's going to
move the sticks. That I love that it's helpful because
if if Jaden Dolora is in that same situation, he's

(38:26):
gonna not throw it to the guy that's fifty yards
down the field, not take the run. He's going to
throw it to the guy that's seventy yards down the
field like, no, no, just get the first down and
live to fight another play reminds me of like he
reminds me the type of person that like they can't
like like if I came to you and I was like, George,

(38:49):
I got inside information Wyoming minus three this weekend, drop
a bag on it, and you're gonna be good. And
then I call you after Wyoming wins by two touchdowns
and like did you take my advice? And you're like yeah,
but it wasn't enough action for me, so I parlayed
it into an eight leg and I lost a thousand dollars.
Like that's what he reminds me. He's like, just I need,

(39:10):
I need to throw the ball all the way down
the field just to feel something, and that that's only
when it works. But man, it was so unnecessary against Oregon. Yeah,
and Oregon got a player thrown thrown out for targeting
and I and I can't tell you how much I
hate these targeting penalties in in college football, Washington State

(39:32):
got the a tackle kicked out against USC. He didn't
even hit him in the in the in the head. Yes,
it was a blind side block, but it's but it
feels like the conference who's initiating a lot of these reviews.
It's just actively like that when when it's called on
the field, it has a legitimate shot of being adjudicated correctly.

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But if San Francisco calls it in and stops the game,
they're not overturning it under no circumstances. And you're sitting
there as a fan like, bro, like, can we like
I understand that that it's tough when people get get
hit some sometimes, but you have to understand the nuance
in targeting like that there needs to be a targeting

(40:19):
one and a targeting two. Like targeting two, you get
kicked out of the game. Targeting one it's just a
fifteen yard penalty because there are in there's incidental contact
because people are moving so fast, and and in usc
you had to do get kicked out. You could also

(40:39):
have it worked like the NBA where if you get
two of them, even if they're both incidental, you got
to sit the rest of the game. Correct. Yeah, And
and then when when when you have like six three
guy on five eight, Guy, Bro, it's tough. That happened
in the A s U game. B Green b J.
Green is shorter and he had his head down. He shouldn't.

(41:01):
I don't have your head down. I'm gonna throw that
out there, just don't. But he had his head down
and he got uh Michael Panics got hit from the
other side, which pushed him into b J Green who
had his head down, and b J Green got disqualified
for targeting and Panics and Panics ended upetting Win knocked
out of him, and it was kind of it was
it was a rough plate, but it was one of

(41:22):
those things where it was like, was this targeting or
an accident? Because to me, like like b J Green
wouldn't hit him if he didn't get hit from the
other side. So I don't know. I'm with you there.
There needs to be more nuance, but you put more
decision making with nuance in the hands of Fact twelve officials.
And is that a good idea? No, the answers no, Um,

(41:45):
I want to give some some bow Knicks love though
a man that I have slandered for years, for years,
for years, or if you go back to our first episode,
it's very possible it includes bow Nick slander. Oh yeah, yeah,
because that was when Oregon was going down to go
play Auburn. He was terrible in the game, except for

(42:07):
the last drive terrible. And granted it was his first start,
but still, And I've never thought that bo Nix was
Like I thought that he had good moments at Auburn,
but I never in my life thought that he would
be playing the way he's playing football right now. So
it's amazing a dude with a competent offense and competent

(42:32):
coaching playmakers around him where he's not being asked to
to do everything. Then it's amazing how good that he's been. Yeah,
I mean and and and it helps when you rush
for three hundred and six yards as a as a team,
very helpful. And that he doesn't take a lot of

(42:52):
negative plays. Um the H word. Please let's sleep, like
I think, Yeah, let's leave let's leave that out of it. Um. However, Uh,
I was listening to and there are so many pac
twel podcasts now and so you know, my entire week
has spent listening to people that it seems like the
whole Pack twelve football podcast landscape is just a collection

(43:15):
of everybody who hates pronouncing names correctly. Present company included
Uh Yeah, pronounced this word s h o U g
H s H s h o you shug Yep, there

(43:40):
we go. See shout out to Tyler shuck um. But
so I don't remember what I was talking about anymore
because I wanted to get that shot in oh So
was the John and John podcast Wildner and Kanzano, and
they brought up that they don't think that the selection
committee would give Oregon a shot at twelve and one,

(44:02):
and I can't like that. I can't. I can't imagine
a scenario where they wouldn't, especially with the way that
they have won after that game. Yeah, and but at
the same time, like nobody pays it when by the
time it gets to be your first game in the season,
plus you factor in what everybody else in college, I
cannot imagine a scenario in which a twelve and one

(44:25):
organ First of all, Oregan is not going twelve and one. Again,
this is the pact twelve. Nobody goes undefeated, right, So
but if Oregon goes twelve and one, they're not going
to be fifth in the country, not with UTAH U
c L a USC being ranked, Washington State being and
you would have had to beat every single one of
them probably, yes, yeah, And so like that one, that

(44:49):
one's surprised me because it was like, what us as
a chance, U c l A as a chance And
at the time they'd said utah, but but they'd said,
you know, I don't see the they think that the
blowout to Georgia would preclude them from being selected if
they were twelve and one. There's no situation on Earth
where twelve and one power five team is not included,
because the landscape of college football is there's not gonna

(45:10):
be a ton of one mass teams anyway, especially one
twelve in a row with four victories overranked teams in
the process just doesn't happen. Yep, you are right about that. Um. Now,
the last game on the slate was Oregon State Stanford,
oh Yo. Can can we please stop pretending about Oregon

(45:30):
State because because Stanford is awful, Stanford is awful and
Oregon State almost lost this football game. They literally had
to win it at the end of the game. And
if and I tweeted, I said, if Stanford had fans,
they would blow up Twitter for for how they lost.
I mean they would. Any major fan base would have

(45:54):
been trending number one after the way that they lost
on that on that long pass at the end of
the game. Yeah, what do you want to talk about
this game? Because I had there's so much, so much
that confused me on both sides. I left angry at
both teams. Okay, why okay, well, why did you leave

(46:16):
angry at Stanford? Well, Stanford, it was primarily the fourth quarter,
so and there in the fourth quarter, yeah, and and
the defensive effort up to that point. There were two
very long drives by Oregon State that were very impressive,

(46:37):
that took up a bunch of yardage, a bunch of time,
and they looked very Oregon State like. Masterful play calling
by uh Jonathan Smith and and uh what's his zocie's name,
Harrison Dude nor down L Yeah, different iron last name.

(46:58):
But uh so they they had two drives where they
really look like themselves. They never looked rattled, they never
looked shook. There was one throw by Ben Goldbrandson that
went to Silas Bolden in the back corner of the
end zone that was like the dimiest of dimes. Right.
So o, Oregon State was doing its thing with its

(47:18):
limitations and they were just kind of the little engine
that could. They kept at it. Stanford's defense had played
with so much energy and so much swag for three
quarters and then they legitimately just went soft, and I
don't know what to blame that on. And and then
still there was no excuse for losing this game. They
had the ball with less than a minute thirty left.

(47:40):
Did they bring an Ari Patu because of his moment?
Did they take Tanner McKee out? Am I imagining this?
They bring and run a slow where Aripat kept the
ball got tackled for a loss on third and like one, no, no, no, no,
did they are a pot potto? He didn't come in
a game. It was the it was the Daniels kid. Um,

(48:03):
Well what what in the hell was that? Well, he's there,
he's there. Jack Coletto, he's the guy that they put
in forth this South that cost you the game. Oregon
State tried as hard as they could in that fourth
quarter to make as many bad decisions as possible to

(48:24):
allow Stanford to win, and it didn't matter. They went
for two for no reason. Didn't use Jack Coletto. They
went for two for no reason again, or I guess
for a reason because of the last one. But they
didn't use Jack Coletto. And then George on their third
touchdown of the quarter, they took a knee, which was
the dumbest thing I have ever seen, because what if

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Stanford got in field goal range, if Tanner McKie completes
that pass instead of throwing an interception, their one ten
yard play away from having an attempt to beat you
instead of to tie. Why did they take a knee
like Oregon State was just was like Oregon State had
money on Stanford, and Stanford wouldn't stop them because they
had money on Oregon State. Bro Okay, So I think

(49:12):
we need to give some credit to go Go Branson.
He came in and he played well like he he
didn't turn the ball over for three on that last drive. Yeah,
so that that matters, right, um, And that takes a
long time to get to the receiver though, Yeah, a

(49:32):
long time. That thing was a moon ball, and especially
at last touchdown to a Harrison, I mean that last
touchdown interfere, Yes, interfere What is the why not? Yeah,
it's it's only fifteen yards. What's that video twist? Is
dick like anything that you need to do? Yeah? Yeah

(49:59):
it was. It was bad, dude, Like this was a bad,
bad situation. I mean this I think that this was
the loss that kind of signals the end for David Shaw,
because well, I actually actually maybe the beginning of the end,

(50:20):
or kind of the ending of the end, because after
they lose to Notre Dame this this weekend, I don't know.
And I like David Shaw, and I might. I like
David Shaw. I think he's good for the PAC twelve.
I think he's good for Stanford absently significant changes like
bringing in an offensive, like forcing him to change his

(50:43):
offensive and defensive situation, situation at coordinators and coaches and
all of that, absent that I don't know how you
keep them, but I don't know who you get to
replace him. Well, then that's that also becomes the interesting thing,
because you know what I would absolutely do if I
was the top name out there, I would absolutely go

(51:05):
for the Stanford job, a job above all else, because
any other job is gonna pay me half m M.
I don't and they're going to guarantee my contracts so
I don't have to turn anything around. The incentive to
make Stanford good based on their budget right now is absolute.
It doesn't exist because you have to figure they They've

(51:26):
let it be known that their budget is a minimum
for the staff as a whole is a minimum of
thirteen million a year. We're talking sec money that is
going to their to their coaching staff. Give me that
job and give me the patients that you showed David Shaw,
and let me walk out of their forty million dollars

(51:47):
richer because I paid uh North cal Rent. No, that's
a that is a good point. Um. Yeah, that it's
just tough. Now on to this weekend end, we have
some games. We have Cow versus Colorado Cow. For for Cow,

(52:13):
it's a must win for Yeah. This game is on
the PAC twelve network with b J Long and Max Brown.
What is the line on this game? I want you
to guess and then I'll give you that. Do you
think it's three touchdowns? Uh? No, I say it's seventeen.

(52:35):
You are correct, but not correct enough. It's only fifteen,
believe it or not. I can believe that with an
over under a forty eight, which is might be the
lowest in the conference this year. Jez Louise, Yeah, that's
oh my gosh. That means that that means that they're

(52:55):
expecting Colorado not even to score like under, they're expecting
him to score under twenty points. Yeah, yep, and all right,
so who do you have in the game, California. Yeah,
Colorado's oh and five against the spread. This is probably
their tightest spread, uh since maybe the opening week. Um,

(53:21):
I think no air Force was seventeen. Air Force was
favored by more. Yeah. I think Col's gotta go in there,
feed j not and just get off the field. Go
in there and make sure this game is over by
four thirty. And because you got the rest of your
season to worry about and moving into the rest of

(53:42):
your season, four and two would be huge. Colorado might
have some be energized coming off the bye with the
coaching change, but it shouldn't matter if it's just fundamental
stuff like you are better than them on the O
line and you're running the ball with a running back
that they can't they can't get down. I think they
have to be no nonsense about it, but I think

(54:03):
they have to take it very seriously. It's weird to
say that it's a must win, but it's cal cal
is the back half of their schedule. They're gonna have
to fight to get two or three wins, so they
need to go in at four and two. Yes, yeah, yeah,
This is the difference in being Bowl eligible or the
possibility of being Bowl eligible and not. Yeah, all right, um,

(54:25):
I got call as well. You're listening to Fox Sports. Alright,
Arizona at Washington. What is the line on this game?
It's in Seattle and Washington is favored by two touchdowns. Conversely,
this over under is the highest this week at seventy three. Yeah,
there are gonna be a lot of points scored in

(54:46):
this game. And what did what did you say? The
line was Washington minus fourteen. I'm gonna take the Huskies, bro,
really okay, I think they're gonna score and score and
score and score. Wait, nope, nope, I'm taking Arizona. I
think it's gonna be a ten point victory for for

(55:06):
for a Washington. I'm taking Arizona. Okay. I think Arizona
is putting points on the board for sure. But if
they bring that same game plan to uh to Seattle
that they tried to use in Tucson last week, these
games they get away from him. Yeah that's a fact, Jack,
there there's some dbs in this game. I hope you're
wearing a fit bit. I bet you're gonna run like

(55:27):
four miles and That Games on PEC twelve Network with
Tay Robinson a Yogi rock on a fit bit. Because
I'll take I'll take Arizona. I do think Washington is
gonna win this game, but I think it'll be like
eight to ten points. I would love for it to
be like a final score. That'd be fun, all right.

(55:49):
Uh Stanford Cardinal in South Bend against Notre Dame on NBC.
This game has lost a lot of its luster because
neither team is ranked. Um. Yeah, this is honestly a
sad state of a sad state of affairs. But I

(56:13):
hope that it's I just at least hope that it's
a good game. You got all those future lawyers on
the field on both sides. Put up a fight. Yeah,
pretend it's a courtroom, Okay. In this game, I want
Notre Dame to win mm hmm, because I want, uh,
they're there, their new head coach to do well. And

(56:34):
I think that that it's already too late for David Shall, right.
I just wanted to be close. That's all I care about.
Seventeen points is a massive spread. It's the answive spread.
Especially Notre Dame's offense has not really done anything to

(56:57):
inspire the type of confidence that even if Stanford didn't
score that it would be seventeen nothing. Oh my god,
bro Um Marcus Freeman team. Okay, let's let's see what
they've done. So they beat b y U twenty. They
beat North Carolina forty five to thirty two, and North

(57:18):
Carolina's defense is awful. They beat Cal seventeen. All right,
I don't see this as a seventeen point win. Nope, nope, nope.
I think I'm taking Stanford, but Notre Dame gets to win.
I am with you, I will, I will follow your
lead on this one. Yeah, yeah, I just don't. Yeah,

(57:43):
the way Notre Dame is played, They've gotten some points
put up on them. Notre Dame hasn't beaten anybody by
seventeen points, so so why might have believed that this
is gonna be the start of that? Um? They lost
to Marshall All USC at Utah the game of the week,

(58:06):
the game of the week. What is the line in
this game? This is I believe USC is favored and
they are No, no, no, no, no, Utah minus three
and a half. I was wrong. That is fascinating. It

(58:27):
feels like one of those lines where they're baiting USC fans,
Oh to to to take the line, yeah plus three
and a half. Oh God, give me utah or give
me death in this game. Well, actually no, don't give
don't give me death, but give me give me utah.

(58:49):
So this game. It's weird to say this in week
seven or game seven, but I think we're actually going
to find out which, if it's truly two blow to
or Clark Phillips is the fact all defensive Player of
the Year, because right now those two are absolutely running
away with it. The other people who are making an
argument to like who's gonna win the bronze, But right
now it's down to two players and they're gonna be

(59:12):
on the field at the exact same time. I think
that as long as Cam Rising limits any negative plays,
if this is a real turnover battle game, because USC
doesn't give the ball away, So if you taught matches
that energy and they don't give them all away, I
do think that they're one touchdown better, So give me
give me utah. Um. I don't feel great about it

(59:34):
because one of these teams turns the ball over and
the other one doesn't. But it's all comes down to
Utah taking care of the football. If they take the
care of the football, they will win this game. Bingo, buddy, bingo, bingo, bingo.
Give me Utah that you couldn't have been more spot
on their last game of the weekend, Washington State at
Oregon State. What is this and this game is on

(59:55):
pack twelve network? Oh my god? We we don't even
have an ESPN game this weekend. Three pack twelve network
games and then a Fox game. So ESPN was like,
we only want one of them games. We do have
a game on Peacock. Thank you, notre dame. Um we
so Oregon State will not. I believe chance Nolan has
probably done for a while, right, like, yes, are you

(01:00:17):
hearing the same thing? Yeah? So it's Ben Golbrandson again.
This is in Corvallis. Um Oregon State is favored by
three and a half. The over under fifty two and
a half. I would hammer that under, which means if
you followed my picks this year, I was about to

(01:00:39):
say I would not have a hammer the under. I
would actually take the game. All right, Um, I gotta
take Washington State. Maybe I believe in them too much.
I do believe Oregon State can win this football game.
But watching this State is slippery due they are slippery

(01:01:00):
like that. That's the best way I can explain how
cam Ward plays. He's slippery. But but if you can
get a hold of him though, oh you can choke
him out. But but if you but if he just
is slipping out of your fingertips all the time, you're
gonna be in for a miserable day. So Oregon say
either wins this game on like the last play again
or they lose by like ten points. Yeah, and what's

(01:01:22):
nice is Vegas is giving you three and given three
and a half to the home team, So you can
take Washington State and they you know, and all they'd
have to do is is eeak it out. I think
I think it's super favorable to jump on the Cougars
here as plus three and a half. Yeah, I totally agree. Um,
but before we get out of here, do you have
anything else on the weekend, because there are a lot

(01:01:43):
of college football games this weekend that I'm super excited about.
I'm excited about Alabama Tennis Tennessee. Who do you think
wins that game? Uh? If, if, if the rumors are
true and Bryce Young was being saved for this game
instead of putting him in last week. I do like

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him a little bit more than Hendon Hooker. But Tennessee
so good. Um, I think either way, I think it's
gonna be a barnburner. But I give me Alabama. Yeah,
totally agree. Um, But but Tennant Tennessee is tough, boy.
Tennessee is tough, tough, tough. Um. Now I'm rooting. I

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am rooting for Oklahoma State to beat TCU in uh
in Fort Worth this weekend. Though that's a that that's
one that I actually do have a rooting interest because
if you look at Arizona State schedule thus far, it's
already absurd, but you know, to have to multiple top
ten teams in there, then the two and four doesn't

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look as crazy. So I'm rooting for Mike Gunde to
be a man and be be a be a man
and be forty. Yeah, that that's gonna be a good
game too. Um. This is and then there's another ranked
game that is surprising that both of these teams are

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ranked right, and it is Syracuse playing against NC State.
Because there's a lot of people that were writing off
Dino Baber's as an early wonder but now he's gotten
his quarterback situation fixed better. And and this is gonna
be a big game because in the a c C standings,

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I mean, Syracuse is still undefeated, and when they get
a chance to play at home in the j M
and what used to be the Carrier Dome now that
j M a wireless dome, then it is like they
are a much tougher team in that in that situation,
and then in the a c C they are on

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the same side as Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, like
all the good teams are on one side of the
a C C um Yeah, so it'll be very very
interesting to see how that shakes out. Well. The Syracuse
thing is funny because it's like it'd be like you're
watching your grandma hit five three pointers in a row, like,

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oh my god, she's really getting this thing going. But
it's very unlikely, like it's possible Syracuse finishes five and
seven and they're five and oh right now they have
to be like super steadfast and everything they do because
they follow up NC State, who is for real. They
haven't always put it together, but they are for real.
With number four Clemson at Clemson, I think I'm gonna
go to that game, then they gotta play Notre Dame.

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Then they're at pit then they have Florida State, then
they have ranked Wake Forest at god, God, they need
to be five and oh they're like they I would
be proud of them for being Bowl eligible at the
end of this run. But I do root for Tony White.
He's their defensive coordinator. He used to be Arizona State's
defensive coordinator, and I think he bounced when uh, well,

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we won't get into white bounce, but he uh, he
is out there at Syracuse, and I'm rooting for them
to continue to have success. All right. Penn State Michigan.
Michigan is favored by seven points in that game. Uh.
Penn State is the most frustrating team in college football
for me because normally, when you have like four straight

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years of top ten recruiting classes, it matters. Yeah, and
and it did. It doesn't matter if they had four
straight years of the number one recruiting class. Penn State
just wants to make everything a close game no matter
who they play. Uh do I don't have any faith
in Penn State at this at the like James Franklin,
and and it's funny because he was like, I don't
have any. The guy on the other side is Jim Harbaugh.

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So but yeah, I'm I'm on Michigan here. Yeah, totally agreed. Um,
you guys, I'm George Rice, Sir. He's Ralph Amson. And
this is the pack twelve Apostles