December 21, 2022 • 32 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental health podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today's episode, the one and only Terry Bradshaw joins Jay for a conversation unlike any he has ever done. Find out what gave him the courage to be one of the first athletes to talk about mental health, why he uses humor as a shield and so much more. Plus, Terry shares three things no-one knows about the NFL's most famous play the 'Immaculate Reception' celebrating its 50th anniversary this Friday!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glazer. Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health
podcast with Jay Glazer. And you know, I've been trying
to figure out how do I possibly introduced this chat
(00:22):
in the right way. You know what. It's Holiday week, family,
and this dude has been part of your family for
probably decades and decades. He's been part of my family
for the last twenty years. A fox in a well
Sunday and uh, probably most famous for coming out with
the Christmas album. I was saying, Uh, he's done a
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couple other things. It's one and only Terry Brownshew. Everybody,
thanks Jaz, Yeah, thanks for bringing up that Christmas album.
That's the only reason I wanted you want it. It's
holiday with you, I hear you. Hey, you know I
am going to do a Christmas album though. Hey, so
you can't hold this talent back, man, you know that,
So listen listen. I I really it's amazing because we
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have been together for twenty years. I spent more holidays
with you than I have my own family. That's where
we are. We're different people. Always look at us and
but but the thing that makes Terry different for me,
this is a mental health podcast, and I've opened up
about my my struggles, obviously writing a book this year
and I'm Breakable, how I turned my depression anxiety and
a motivation and you can't do and now doing a
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podcast on it. But Terry was way ahead of all
of us, ahead of his time. I had of every
dude out there in talking about mental health for men
and what it did for me since two thousand and five,
on I I every time I've been on our show
Fox and El Sunday, I've had a panic attack. I've
suffered a massive panic attack every single show and I
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didn't know what it was until one day I heard
you talking about it about seven years later. So you
kind of lead the path for a lot of us.
So it's definitely for me and I don't know if
I've ever a job grateful I am for you for that.
But if you're talking about it, man, it's has really
made a difference in my life. I believe the major
reason why men do not talk about it is because
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they feel as though it's a sign of weakness, and
it isn't a sign of weakness, a sign of weakness
if you don't do something about it. And once you
have experienced depression, panic attacks and you seek help and
you get help, you were so overjoyed with the fact
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that now there's something that can help you be normal
and feel good. You asked yourself, why did I go
to a doctor center? And the main thing Jay have
always said to men, look, don't be ashamed of this.
Go to the doctor, to see your doctor and seek help,
especially if you want to, if you want to be
able to in some cases control it in other cases,
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maybe even prevent it in other cases. Is a solution
for handling the moment. So I had an opportunity to
do that, same as you. You didn't know what you
were dealing with, and I didn't either until I finally
had such a massive breakdown. I saw I saught help.
And when I did that and they diagnose me, and
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I went, wow, this is the greatest moment of my life.
Because it's one thing to feel bad, it's another thing
not to know why you feel bad. And we don't
want to know why. You know, we don't know why,
And so that was a great moment for me. But
it's a primarily man just don't want to. You know,
we're just mach Jay. You've heard me say this. I've
had men in a grocery store slide up to me
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while I'm pulling a can of beans or soup off
a shell and pretend as though they're looking through the
ship and say, hey, hey, man, I appreciate what you
said about depression, and you know I suffered from that too,
and I've gotten help. And then they slide up. Still great.
What I mean is, yeah, but it's men just yet
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for some reason won't go seek help. But TV so listen,
I had you, okay, so you've made me more comfortable.
So you know, people always say, oh, you're brave for
coming out and talking about your depression anxiety. I'm like,
no, no no, no, no, I had somebody before me. I
had one of my coworkers talk about it. You didn't
like what gave you the courage to finally to be
able to come out and speak about it openly? Well,
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first of all, I got tired of the sickness. I
was so miserable, Jay, that I had to I didn't
know what was wrong with me, Hey, what do I have?
What disease? Would I had? Cancer. What and if you've
ever had a panic attack, a massive penicy as you
well know, he was like a heart attack. Yeah. And
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so finally I went and talked to my preacher quietly
and told him. He sent me. He sent me to
a psychologist, and I spent three years with the psychologists
in getting treatment, psychological treatment. And what what yours? What?
What period of your life after? No? No? No, no?
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What I well, when you go what happens is when
you go back in your life and you go, oh
my gosh, that was there was one, there's one, there's
what you start identifying them. They primarily when I played
in all the stress and I wouldn't say anything to anybody,
and I'd go back to the house and be just
sick of the dog and scared. And that was while
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I was playing. And so we were able to just
based on my recollection of events in my life, I
was able to find that after a great uh like
a super Bowl victory, I was always I'd go into
a deep depression. After a great high of anything, I'd
go into great depression. And then when I'd go into
the this depression, I ended up making horrible decisions, horrible
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decisions I got married coming out of two of those
when I had no right in that. I mean, it
was such a sickness with me. And when I finally
sought help and started to see in the light of day,
I was so proud of myself. There's a little sayings
psychiatrists say, don't tell your children you're happy, you're proud
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of them. Tell them, aren't you proud of yourself? And
I was proud of myself for seeking help and getting
the answers that I needed. And that's easily j one
of the greatest moments of my life because those as
you well know, and you're still having them. I told
you Sunday I had a bad day. Remember, yes, that's right.
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We can out talk about things like this. And I
know when I'm in a bad day. Here's another thing.
I know I'm skipping around here. My wife knows what
I'm having a bad day. There's too many signs that
give it away. And she comes out and and put
her arm around me, and she says, what can I do?
And she knows I just need to sit and I
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need to just take some deep breaths. I need to relax,
and I don't need to be bothered and I don't
and I don't want to talk. Already been through all
of that. I just sit back, sit down, go back
through it, and then work myself out of it. I
was when you said it to me the other day.
It's so cool for me because I've said it to you.
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That's really the first time you've leaned in to me
and said, hey, man, I had a bad day. So
I be your teammate that day and I knew it,
and you were there and you were you were Jay Glazer.
I said, I get you. I get it. Three years
of sessions so I know and that and that that
was another thing, Jay. One of the real keys for me,
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I was lucky I stumbled into this was to go
to therapy sessions because I had to identify what was
wrong with me, and I had to identify what triggers it.
And that's a long time because even as today I
don't take medicines, but I took medicine for a long time.
Then as I got more educated on depression and understood
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the triggers of it, I basically tried to avoid them.
But sometimes you know, you can't you count of one
them day. But the other day it was just a
classic example, I'll tell everybody out there right now. I
flew to l A. I've been gone all week. I
talked my wife into staying home because I was coming
out and coming right back. I moved into a new
hotel where you are. So I traveled all week. I
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was tired. I flew to l A. People were, you know,
jumping all of me for pictures and autographs. And I
got to the hotel and then I saw you that
night at the hotel and UH with Howie, and my
mind was, my mind was just like this. And when
I got back, you know, it was you know, it
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was a bad day and I didn't sleep good. It's
just a bad day. Times like that, you're just completely
out of your When we get out of our rhythm,
right we had, we get out of what makes us
comfortable all. When we get out of those rocks, right that,
the things that we know are our pillars to help
us through it. When they're not there, we spiral. Right.
But now, like I said, now you got a teammate
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you can turn to and be like, hey, man, I
had a bad day where neither one of us had
that years ago. Dude didn't have that. You and I
aren't looking at each other going, oh, just sucking up.
We're like, hey, we got your back. I got your back.
That the dude's got to realize that's the reaction. I
got your back. And listen, I don't tell you something.
I was having a moment on during an interview with
Bryant Gumble, and uh, it was a real downer interview.
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It was an appropriate interview. It was a good interview,
but it was a really low interview for me. And
as the interview went on, I got deeper and deeper
and deeper to a point where I broke down on
the air and I went embarrassed at all. You know,
I knew where I was going, and I was fighting
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it off. Okay, Now I didn't have. My only support
group is my doctor, and uh I passed him off
to my wife, and uh, my wife, now is I
picked the phone up and go hey, and she's Tammy.
You know, Tammy man, She's awesome. And I had this
breakdown from the HBO thing with Brian Gumble, and one
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of our good friends made fun of me when he
saw it, anyway, and I told him years later, I said, uh,
that hurt. That hurt because I was hurting and that hurt,
and he deeply apologized for that. But see, there's why
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men don't talk about it because mother men who don't
deal with this don't understand. It's like they don't understand.
But now, if you picked the phone up and say TV,
I'm having a rough go man, Okay, let's talk about it.
You know, let's get off this cliff together, you know,
or the vice verst one. I told you. All I
wanted from you was I just wanted to tell you
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I had a rough day, and I knew you would understand.
It meant the world to me. There's a lot of
teammates out there for us that we don't realize our teammates.
You find your teammate and you tell them, and a
lot of times exactly the same thing. I don't need
anything back to be said to me. I just want
to get it out. So I'll tell you. I'll tell
how He'll tell Kurt whatever it is when I'm having
a panic attack now, because I hit it, I hit
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the panic attacks from everybody but you for all these years, right,
I just hit it from everybody because also I didn't
want to funk up your show. It's your Show's your day.
That day, I've got to handle it. But now that
you all know, it's easier for me to just walk
over to any one of you and go, oh, I'm
having one. Yeah, and you know who you can walk
over and say that too, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's certain people who love you, but they won't handle
that very well, so we don't involve them, right and
and that's fine. And that's fine because everybody, every friend
has certain certain things they do for us to to
lift us up a lot. Everybody's for this, right There's
some people are great training partners, some people just great teammate.
It's another whiz million percent. Now. One of the things
I do too, when I'm having a panic attack on
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the air, that's when I'll push out a joke to
get myself through because laughter. I always said, the Gray
hates laughter. Right right, You're the funniest motherfucker I ever
met my entire life. Are you using on this podcast? Yes?
Of course? Are you gonna get on me now for that?
Terry gets Terry of all things, he gets to me
when I curse. I curse because I'm in Jersey of
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New York, flat curse, and I use it appropriately, so
he caught on me the other night. But you are
the funniest SLP I've ever met in my life. Is
it all natural for you? Or is half of it
so you could overcome your right? Do you use the
same way I do it? No, it's it's natural. I've
always you know, I'm no Rodney changer Field, but I
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I see I searched for him. I searched for humor.
I find that humor is U is a great hugger.
Humors brings a lot of love and smile at people
faces and breaks a lot of barriers. And I've always
been funny. I've been funny since I can remember, since
it's a little kid. So I searched for that, you know,
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even on on our pregame show, I'm always searching for
something that's a little bit on the happy side, you know,
because people have had a rough week and they don't
want to hear xs and ohs, and they want to
tell them a little bit about their team and whether
they're gonna win and make them feel good about it.
And that's kind of the approach I take. But humors always,
and listen, have I used humor to protect myself? Absolutely?
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When I played in Pittsburgh. Absolutely, that was my my shield.
And the problem with that, though, is that after a
while people begin to think of you only as a
funny guy and they don't realize that there is also
the other side of humor. And I like to coin
coin Robin Williams, who says people that are really funnier
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geniuses so like that, think that that's the only time
I member a genius. But humor. I love humor. It's
soothing to the soul and it breaks barriers. As you said, Jay,
you can use it to deflect hate and anger and
negative Always ask me, it's one of the questions you
get all time. Is he really like that in real life?
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I'm like, Oh, that's him like that? Who is he is?
Where you get? But we're on the field for and
just the way you delivered it, dude. We're on the
field for the tickoff of the Super Bowl. And I
wrote this in my book TV and it's the hundredth
anniversary right of the Super Bowl to send Teddy all
of the Super Bowl And I'm standing there with me,
how Terry, Jimmy Stray, Kurt Raw standing there and Terry
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turns to us all it says, you know, there's all
hundredth anniversary of the NFL. This went off great, they
should do this again next year. But here's the thing, Jake,
here's the here's the thing. I got a little bit
yogi berra in me. I don't for some reason. Like
the other day, we're in New York with Tammy nine,
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the kids, and I come up on East Street and
we're all in this big sedan and we're going to
this function and I said, hey, man, is this where
they filmed um Miracle on thirty fourth Street? And I
got halfway through it and I stopped and just started laughing.
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Just it's just what happens. I don't understand. I don't
understand it. You know, do you have a favorite moment
that made you that you still laugh at that you
said something on the show or in your own show
they just cracked you up. That's hard. It's like asking
a comedian, Hey, tell me a joke, and it's listen.
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The other night, this banquet at this function that kept
saying the MC kept saying, Hey, Terry, your last buddy.
We can't wait to get to you. Twenty minutes later,
Hey Terry, just sit there and enjoy the evening. Your
last man, we we and it's all these executives and
all these heads of these comp and he's in all
and a lot of people in our industry. And I'm like,
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I turned to Tammy and said, am I being paid
for this? Because am I keeping a motivational speech? And
that's the way it was. And this went on for
two hours. Hey dude, it made me nervous. So I
had to get up and perform. I had to do it. Yeah,
and I did twenty five minutes of comedy. So you're
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in a game recently, Yeah, you're there. And the Rock
he's the biggest star in the world. He wrote the
forward to my book. He's one of my teammates that
I reached out to when i'm he is the best,
but he leaves me basically a seven minute voicemail. I
just met Terry Bradshaw. Man, I just met my He's
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my hero, he's my oh my, and he is going
I've never heard him like this, just going nuts about
you and how much he looks up to you. Who
for Terry Bradshaw, who would you go, oh my god, Well,
it wouldn't be an athlete, no disrespect. It would be
Vince Lombardi. I think that that would have been I've
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often said I would have to have played for Tom Landry.
I would have loved to play for Bill Walsh and
Don Coryell, three of the great minds of football. And
I would like to take what I thought what I
could apply to life or play. I would like to
take all that I could get from them and put
it in one peel and have all that knowledge to swallow,
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you know. But those are some of the it's really
not I met Tom Cruise and I didn't have time
to get you know. My daughter was with me, and
she's going, Oh my god, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, there's
Tom Cruise. We're doing the tenure anniversary of the tonight show. Dad,
Dad's Rachel, Dad, there's Tom Cruise. I said, I know,
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just you know Tom Cruise. So we're standing up there
because it's share and all these people and just a
little little old football player and Jay Leno asked me
to be a part of his tenure anniversary, which I
was flattered, but I don't know these people. That's not
my circle. And Tom Cruise came in with an entourage,
five or six people, and they came in. Of course,
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I bought it on the tonight show, you know, as
they should. They made a fuss over and everything. We're
just standing there. We were off maybe thirty feet up
against the wall, and then he saw me and he
just he just parted ways and came over and gave
me a hug. And I said, this is Rachel and
he says, hey, sweetie, you're so beautiful. Gave her hug.
When you can meet someone that's famous, we all are
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impressed and they're super nice. Man. That goes a long
way with me, and right, he didn't have that's cool,
that's very cool. And that's like I met the rock
at the stadium, Like you said, biggest star in the
world right now. And he couldn't have been nicer. Man,
I never met him. What a sweetheart, dude. He's he's
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the most genuine friend now he's that. He's most authentically
like genuine friend of Right. Yeah, it was. I liked
meeting him. I'm like beating those guys. I think it's
cool to meet him. So you talked about these these
offensive coaches, and you called your own place and people
don't realize you called your own place, right. I mean,
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it's stressful enough just to perform much less I'm gonna
call your own place, basically being your own office coordinator.
Would you have preferred that's how, that's how your career run,
that you called your own place, or would you have
preferred that you would have had like a like you said,
Sean mcveigor, Don Querril or somebody else do it if
I had those guys as my coach. First of all,
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you learned the offense. Then you studied the offense and
the application. The key is not knowing what trips right floody? Okay,
there it is. Why am I going trips right floody?
Here's what it does to the defense. See that's that's
what you want to know. Okay, When I get this
defense words of weakness? Where do I go? What if
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they blitz? So I gather as much knowledge as I
can about one formation? All right? And if I could
do that with kore On knew the two I told
to you about and learn all of that stuff, I
would prefer to call my own plays. I don't want
to lose a game. And as a competitor and quarterback
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walk off the field and go back into the locker
room going what a dumb game plan? We didn't attack?
We didn't this, we didn't that, and you have no
control of it. And then here comes the press and
they're jumping all over you because you didn't have a
good game. And now you've heard me say this. Offensive
coordinators don't always have good games, and the quarterbacks pay
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for it. So I would if I'm gonna sink or swim,
I want to sink or swim making my own choices,
but I would be educated. Okay, I want to make
sure that that I apply all of this with the
proper understanding of what it dictates to a defense and
where I can go with it. And that's that takes
a lot of work and a lot of time. I'd
rather call my own plays. I started calling my own
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plays in college, and I've set up all the fronts
and I'd set up you know, uh nine seventy nine three,
you know, I'd set up all the and I love it.
It's it's just so much fun to do that, and
or to get in a huddle. And when I'm in
a huddle with the lineman and everyone, I can say, Okay,
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we ran this, we ran that. I thought this was
gonna work. Hey John, what's going on? What do you
think we And then they'll say, Hey, this guy's jumping inside.
Let's try the special. Okay, let's give that a shot.
When you're when you are the commander in chief, I
can do what I want to do. They're gonna listen.
And also I'm smart enough to know they're out there
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with boots on the ground. Okay to use that frase,
I'm just sitting back here. I'm the four star general
looking through binoculars. They know what's going on, and I
I lean on them for knowledge, and that's what run.
That's how I ran the offense. And we would change.
If we were in sixty two dig stalwarts. I may say, hey, look,
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don't clear to the post this time. Run an option
on him, and if the digs are covered, I'll know
what they're doing. And because instead of going to the post,
you may and and being covered, go to the corner
or the queue or whatever and be uncovered. And so
we did that all the time, change routes up on
plays that we called because it made no sense to
run to be covered. This week's the fiftieth anniversary or
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the Immaculate Reception. Yeah, give me, give me something about
the reception that you know, and the rest of the
world doesn't know something we just don't know about. Well,
here's something full right split sixty six circle option. That's
the play. Circle is with the half back Frenchie Fuqua
bending around and going to the middle of the football
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field to attract the safety. The option is with the
split in take off post corner. Whatever sixty six says,
fullback staying in block, tied in, staying in block, come on,
come up and lay it on the outside with the
flanker as an option. Franco had to block. He didn't
block soul. When I dropped back and got flushed out.
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He literally was standing there watching me because he and
I watched this together three weeks ago. Said yeah, I said, look,
you don't block a soul. You didn't block a soul. Hey,
the guy went inside the stutters a little bit. Guy
went inside and he just standing there, itevable. I'm bailing out,
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trying to avoid being sacked. It was fourth down, twenty
two seconds left, and that was the play. And I swung.
I raised my arm like this to avoid being tackled,
and the guy missed my arm. And when I brought
the arm, when I went like this, and when the
arm came down, I fired it because I saw black
jersey and I got hit and I went down. I
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didn't know what happened. Heard the roar of the crowd,
knew it was a touchdown. Knew it was a touchdown. Okay,
the roar told me it's a touchdown. We're trying to
get first down, not a touchdown. But I knew it
was a touchdown and got up, and you know, I
didn't see it. So I'm asking what happened, and I'm
getting mobbed. What happened? What? What? What? What? What happened?
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And it took a long time. I didn't really understand
what happened, ja until I got in the locker room
and they were able to tell me what happened. And
I went from being this giant hero who stood in
the pocket aboard being sacked, gunned that bad boy down there,
hit whoever it was that caught it, and they went
down the sideline, and man, I'm gonna be doing endorsements commercials.
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I mean, he wrote a million, but when you when
they described Jack Hatum comes up, he blasts Frenchie, followed
those flying back. Franco catch is it off the ground
or whatever? He runs down the sideline and you go,
really really got the air out of it. Really something
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you may not know. As Mr Rooney had left his
owner's box and went to the locker room to congratulate
us on a good year, he didn't know we won. Wow.
Really yeah, he heard the roar, but he didn't know
what it was. Wow, that's incredible. And the other thing,
the other thing that your folks might be interested in.
Back then, there was what a twenty four hour or
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hour sellout rule, and if you didn't sell all the tickets,
the game was blocked in. This game was blocked out
black black on TV. Yes, I didn't know that half
of the city of Pittsburgh was empty because everybody drove
out of town to watch it somewhere else. But the
city did not get the game because the game was
not a sellout. Know what. Oh, that's incredible. No, that's
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that's I just found Hey, I just found that out.
I didn't. That's unbelievable. And I asked Franco. He's done
some research, man, he's got this thing down. And I
asked him, I said, you didn't you never do answer
the question? Did you trap it on the ground? And
I said, I've always told everybody you trapped it because
you get the worst hands on the team. But I
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saw an end zone and he caught it about a
foot off the ground. And I said, what made you
go down? Because he took off running down the field
towards Frenchie and he said, Joe Paterno taught us that
when the ball is released, run to the ball, and
that's what I was doing, and that's why he was
in to make the catch. Yeah, all right, Before I
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let you go, I got two more questions for You's okay,
because one of them is the other most incredible thing
that you would you never told us. We had to
read it in the Athletic a year ago when you
had surgery on your elbow and you went in and
you went under somebody else's name, whose name is Tom Brady. Folks,
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this is a true story, and this is what yours.
This This would have been eighty one nine one. Yeah, right,
But I don't know how old Tom Brady wasn't in anyone,
but this is obviously before Tom Brady, right, folks. The
coincidence of coincidences. Temp Roger goes in to get a
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surgery under the you know, the alias of Tom Brady, right,
that's prophetic in it. That's like, Wow, the original TV
twelve going to t V twelve and you never thought
to tell us. Yeah, I never thought about it. It
had it had to be brought to my attention. It's
been too many years ago. Hey, it's been Um, I've
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been a TV forty three years. That's a long time.
T I hear you that. But there's only one Tom Brady,
and that we you know what we know of at
Tom Rocher, Like you would think that it would have jock.
You remember you called your own place. You would think
this would a jock, Marie. I didn't think about it.
I Hey, j never crossed my mind. It is kind
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of It's kind of funny. You know what I thought.
I told it to Brady this year. Brady didn't know.
I told him training campus year. He's like, what am I?
You would have thought he goes. You thought he would
have told you? Yeah, you thought he would. Yeah. I
got a nice I'm with a nice agency, a really
nice agency. And why Tom and I have not done
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a commercial gather is we should do one, don't you think?
Just because I'm always calling myself the original TV and
I love him to respects. Yeah, I did a deal
with Dick, Butker's it was visa commercial. I took the ball,
I broke your back, I ran so far and it
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was oh yes, I remember it well, and we did
that take. It was hilarious, Oh hilarious. And I can
only imagine the fun that we can have with Tom
and I doing it. You know, well, I think that'll
come up when he works with us. I hope. So
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I'm hearing now and you know more than I do.
I'm here and he's even talking about coming back next year. God.
So my last question I asked, yes, this, you know,
you could take it whatever you want. I always ask people,
what's your unbreakable moment? Like, what's that moment in your life?
It's called unbreakable that something should have broke you but didn't,
and you came through the other side of that tunnel
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and you're strong. There's a phrase I heard on television
and a guy by the name of Quickly Phips used
it before he sang this song. And being a guy
that speaks to a lot of corporations, I used to
I don't as much anymore, but I almost always used
this because it sets up a good ending and it
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goes It's in the quiet crucible of your personal pride.
It's suffering that your noblest dreams are born and God's
greatest gifts are given to you for what you've been through.
And that says it all right there. I am most proud,
most proud of not letting them break me in Pittsburgh
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when they called me dumb and stupid and basically had
nobody defending me as kind of like a man on
an island. And I was sitting in my room, Jake,
all by myself, not married, and I had emotional breakdown
and I had this incredible talk to myself. I've never
said this where I said, I am not gonna let
them take this from me. I am not going to
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be destroyed by these negative people. You know, nobody is
going to steal my dream. I own it. It's mine.
And I had this incredible self motivating talk to myself
and it was from that moment on that I developed
I did, and how he loves it. When I say
mirror economics or mirror self evaluation, what does that mean me?
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Stand in front of the mirror and have a talk
with yourself, and you'll tell yourself, you low life, you
non working dog, you better do this. You know, it's
called I call it mirror economics, but it's basically it's
a self evaluation. And when you do that and you're
all alone by yourself, you're gonna be brutally honest. You're
not gonna try to pull something over someone's eyes or
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pretend to be something you're not. You're gonna be brutally
honest with yourself and you're gonna take that and you're
gonna apply it to your life. And it was that
time where I decided I'm weak emotionally. Everything bothers me.
I need a pat on the back, I need love,
I need this, I need that. But I'm not and
I'm not and I'm not. And from this day forward,
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you know, as you said, the shield is up, and
my shield of armor is up, and nobody's gonna break in,
and I'm gonna turn the surround. It may not have
been in Pittsburgh, may have been somewhere else, but thank
god it was in Pittsburgh. That is my Unbreakable moment.
Heb I love your brother. That is the way to
finish off the Unbreakable podcast. Oh my god, And what
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a what a message to give to people from the
holidays to holidays could be hard for a lot of people.
I love you, my brother. I love you brother. Thanks
for having me on. Happy Hanukkah, Happy Merry Christmas. You
know and enjoy your family, enjoy your friends, and be
nice to people. Folks. Let's keep walking and squak together.
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glazer. Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health
podcast with Jay Glazer. And you know, I've been trying
to figure out how do I possibly introduced this chat
(00:22):
in the right way. You know what. It's Holiday week, family,
and this dude has been part of your family for
probably decades and decades. He's been part of my family
for the last twenty years. A fox in a well
Sunday and uh, probably most famous for coming out with
the Christmas album. I was saying, Uh, he's done a
(00:43):
couple other things. It's one and only Terry Brownshew. Everybody,
thanks Jaz, Yeah, thanks for bringing up that Christmas album.
That's the only reason I wanted you want it. It's
holiday with you, I hear you. Hey, you know I
am going to do a Christmas album though. Hey, so
you can't hold this talent back, man, you know that,
So listen listen. I I really it's amazing because we
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have been together for twenty years. I spent more holidays
with you than I have my own family. That's where
we are. We're different people. Always look at us and
but but the thing that makes Terry different for me,
this is a mental health podcast, and I've opened up
about my my struggles, obviously writing a book this year
and I'm Breakable, how I turned my depression anxiety and
a motivation and you can't do and now doing a
(01:27):
podcast on it. But Terry was way ahead of all
of us, ahead of his time. I had of every
dude out there in talking about mental health for men
and what it did for me since two thousand and five,
on I I every time I've been on our show
Fox and El Sunday, I've had a panic attack. I've
suffered a massive panic attack every single show and I
(01:49):
didn't know what it was until one day I heard
you talking about it about seven years later. So you
kind of lead the path for a lot of us.
So it's definitely for me and I don't know if
I've ever a job grateful I am for you for that.
But if you're talking about it, man, it's has really
made a difference in my life. I believe the major
reason why men do not talk about it is because
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they feel as though it's a sign of weakness, and
it isn't a sign of weakness, a sign of weakness
if you don't do something about it. And once you
have experienced depression, panic attacks and you seek help and
you get help, you were so overjoyed with the fact
(02:33):
that now there's something that can help you be normal
and feel good. You asked yourself, why did I go
to a doctor center? And the main thing Jay have
always said to men, look, don't be ashamed of this.
Go to the doctor, to see your doctor and seek help,
especially if you want to, if you want to be
able to in some cases control it in other cases,
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maybe even prevent it in other cases. Is a solution
for handling the moment. So I had an opportunity to
do that, same as you. You didn't know what you
were dealing with, and I didn't either until I finally
had such a massive breakdown. I saw I saught help.
And when I did that and they diagnose me, and
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I went, wow, this is the greatest moment of my life.
Because it's one thing to feel bad, it's another thing
not to know why you feel bad. And we don't
want to know why. You know, we don't know why,
And so that was a great moment for me. But
it's a primarily man just don't want to. You know,
we're just mach Jay. You've heard me say this. I've
had men in a grocery store slide up to me
(03:40):
while I'm pulling a can of beans or soup off
a shell and pretend as though they're looking through the
ship and say, hey, hey, man, I appreciate what you
said about depression, and you know I suffered from that too,
and I've gotten help. And then they slide up. Still great.
What I mean is, yeah, but it's men just yet
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for some reason won't go seek help. But TV so listen,
I had you, okay, so you've made me more comfortable.
So you know, people always say, oh, you're brave for
coming out and talking about your depression anxiety. I'm like,
no, no no, no, no, I had somebody before me. I
had one of my coworkers talk about it. You didn't
like what gave you the courage to finally to be
able to come out and speak about it openly? Well,
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first of all, I got tired of the sickness. I
was so miserable, Jay, that I had to I didn't
know what was wrong with me, Hey, what do I have?
What disease? Would I had? Cancer. What and if you've
ever had a panic attack, a massive penicy as you
well know, he was like a heart attack. Yeah. And
(04:43):
so finally I went and talked to my preacher quietly
and told him. He sent me. He sent me to
a psychologist, and I spent three years with the psychologists
in getting treatment, psychological treatment. And what what yours? What?
What period of your life after? No? No? No, no?
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What I well, when you go what happens is when
you go back in your life and you go, oh
my gosh, that was there was one, there's one, there's
what you start identifying them. They primarily when I played
in all the stress and I wouldn't say anything to anybody,
and I'd go back to the house and be just
sick of the dog and scared. And that was while
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I was playing. And so we were able to just
based on my recollection of events in my life, I
was able to find that after a great uh like
a super Bowl victory, I was always I'd go into
a deep depression. After a great high of anything, I'd
go into great depression. And then when I'd go into
the this depression, I ended up making horrible decisions, horrible
(05:54):
decisions I got married coming out of two of those
when I had no right in that. I mean, it
was such a sickness with me. And when I finally
sought help and started to see in the light of day,
I was so proud of myself. There's a little sayings
psychiatrists say, don't tell your children you're happy, you're proud
(06:14):
of them. Tell them, aren't you proud of yourself? And
I was proud of myself for seeking help and getting
the answers that I needed. And that's easily j one
of the greatest moments of my life because those as
you well know, and you're still having them. I told
you Sunday I had a bad day. Remember, yes, that's right.
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We can out talk about things like this. And I
know when I'm in a bad day. Here's another thing.
I know I'm skipping around here. My wife knows what
I'm having a bad day. There's too many signs that
give it away. And she comes out and and put
her arm around me, and she says, what can I do?
And she knows I just need to sit and I
(06:59):
need to just take some deep breaths. I need to relax,
and I don't need to be bothered and I don't
and I don't want to talk. Already been through all
of that. I just sit back, sit down, go back
through it, and then work myself out of it. I
was when you said it to me the other day.
It's so cool for me because I've said it to you.
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That's really the first time you've leaned in to me
and said, hey, man, I had a bad day. So
I be your teammate that day and I knew it,
and you were there and you were you were Jay Glazer.
I said, I get you. I get it. Three years
of sessions so I know and that and that that
was another thing, Jay. One of the real keys for me,
(07:43):
I was lucky I stumbled into this was to go
to therapy sessions because I had to identify what was
wrong with me, and I had to identify what triggers it.
And that's a long time because even as today I
don't take medicines, but I took medicine for a long time.
Then as I got more educated on depression and understood
(08:06):
the triggers of it, I basically tried to avoid them.
But sometimes you know, you can't you count of one
them day. But the other day it was just a
classic example, I'll tell everybody out there right now. I
flew to l A. I've been gone all week. I
talked my wife into staying home because I was coming
out and coming right back. I moved into a new
hotel where you are. So I traveled all week. I
(08:29):
was tired. I flew to l A. People were, you know,
jumping all of me for pictures and autographs. And I
got to the hotel and then I saw you that
night at the hotel and UH with Howie, and my
mind was, my mind was just like this. And when
I got back, you know, it was you know, it
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was a bad day and I didn't sleep good. It's
just a bad day. Times like that, you're just completely
out of your When we get out of our rhythm,
right we had, we get out of what makes us
comfortable all. When we get out of those rocks, right that,
the things that we know are our pillars to help
us through it. When they're not there, we spiral. Right.
But now, like I said, now you got a teammate
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you can turn to and be like, hey, man, I
had a bad day where neither one of us had
that years ago. Dude didn't have that. You and I
aren't looking at each other going, oh, just sucking up.
We're like, hey, we got your back. I got your back.
That the dude's got to realize that's the reaction. I
got your back. And listen, I don't tell you something.
I was having a moment on during an interview with
Bryant Gumble, and uh, it was a real downer interview.
(09:35):
It was an appropriate interview. It was a good interview,
but it was a really low interview for me. And
as the interview went on, I got deeper and deeper
and deeper to a point where I broke down on
the air and I went embarrassed at all. You know,
I knew where I was going, and I was fighting
(09:55):
it off. Okay, Now I didn't have. My only support
group is my doctor, and uh I passed him off
to my wife, and uh, my wife, now is I
picked the phone up and go hey, and she's Tammy.
You know, Tammy man, She's awesome. And I had this
breakdown from the HBO thing with Brian Gumble, and one
(10:16):
of our good friends made fun of me when he
saw it, anyway, and I told him years later, I said, uh,
that hurt. That hurt because I was hurting and that hurt,
and he deeply apologized for that. But see, there's why
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men don't talk about it because mother men who don't
deal with this don't understand. It's like they don't understand.
But now, if you picked the phone up and say TV,
I'm having a rough go man, Okay, let's talk about it.
You know, let's get off this cliff together, you know,
or the vice verst one. I told you. All I
wanted from you was I just wanted to tell you
(10:58):
I had a rough day, and I knew you would understand.
It meant the world to me. There's a lot of
teammates out there for us that we don't realize our teammates.
You find your teammate and you tell them, and a
lot of times exactly the same thing. I don't need
anything back to be said to me. I just want
to get it out. So I'll tell you. I'll tell
how He'll tell Kurt whatever it is when I'm having
a panic attack now, because I hit it, I hit
(11:19):
the panic attacks from everybody but you for all these years, right,
I just hit it from everybody because also I didn't
want to funk up your show. It's your Show's your day.
That day, I've got to handle it. But now that
you all know, it's easier for me to just walk
over to any one of you and go, oh, I'm
having one. Yeah, and you know who you can walk
over and say that too, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's certain people who love you, but they won't handle
that very well, so we don't involve them, right and
and that's fine. And that's fine because everybody, every friend
has certain certain things they do for us to to
lift us up a lot. Everybody's for this, right There's
some people are great training partners, some people just great teammate.
It's another whiz million percent. Now. One of the things
I do too, when I'm having a panic attack on
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the air, that's when I'll push out a joke to
get myself through because laughter. I always said, the Gray
hates laughter. Right right, You're the funniest motherfucker I ever
met my entire life. Are you using on this podcast? Yes?
Of course? Are you gonna get on me now for that?
Terry gets Terry of all things, he gets to me
when I curse. I curse because I'm in Jersey of
(12:26):
New York, flat curse, and I use it appropriately, so
he caught on me the other night. But you are
the funniest SLP I've ever met in my life. Is
it all natural for you? Or is half of it
so you could overcome your right? Do you use the
same way I do it? No, it's it's natural. I've
always you know, I'm no Rodney changer Field, but I
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I see I searched for him. I searched for humor.
I find that humor is U is a great hugger.
Humors brings a lot of love and smile at people
faces and breaks a lot of barriers. And I've always
been funny. I've been funny since I can remember, since
it's a little kid. So I searched for that, you know,
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even on on our pregame show, I'm always searching for
something that's a little bit on the happy side, you know,
because people have had a rough week and they don't
want to hear xs and ohs, and they want to
tell them a little bit about their team and whether
they're gonna win and make them feel good about it.
And that's kind of the approach I take. But humors always,
and listen, have I used humor to protect myself? Absolutely?
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When I played in Pittsburgh. Absolutely, that was my my shield.
And the problem with that, though, is that after a
while people begin to think of you only as a
funny guy and they don't realize that there is also
the other side of humor. And I like to coin
coin Robin Williams, who says people that are really funnier
(13:55):
geniuses so like that, think that that's the only time
I member a genius. But humor. I love humor. It's
soothing to the soul and it breaks barriers. As you said, Jay,
you can use it to deflect hate and anger and
negative Always ask me, it's one of the questions you
get all time. Is he really like that in real life?
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I'm like, Oh, that's him like that? Who is he is?
Where you get? But we're on the field for and
just the way you delivered it, dude. We're on the
field for the tickoff of the Super Bowl. And I
wrote this in my book TV and it's the hundredth
anniversary right of the Super Bowl to send Teddy all
of the Super Bowl And I'm standing there with me,
how Terry, Jimmy Stray, Kurt Raw standing there and Terry
(14:40):
turns to us all it says, you know, there's all
hundredth anniversary of the NFL. This went off great, they
should do this again next year. But here's the thing, Jake,
here's the here's the thing. I got a little bit
yogi berra in me. I don't for some reason. Like
the other day, we're in New York with Tammy nine,
(15:00):
the kids, and I come up on East Street and
we're all in this big sedan and we're going to
this function and I said, hey, man, is this where
they filmed um Miracle on thirty fourth Street? And I
got halfway through it and I stopped and just started laughing.
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Just it's just what happens. I don't understand. I don't
understand it. You know, do you have a favorite moment
that made you that you still laugh at that you
said something on the show or in your own show
they just cracked you up. That's hard. It's like asking
a comedian, Hey, tell me a joke, and it's listen.
(15:42):
The other night, this banquet at this function that kept
saying the MC kept saying, Hey, Terry, your last buddy.
We can't wait to get to you. Twenty minutes later,
Hey Terry, just sit there and enjoy the evening. Your
last man, we we and it's all these executives and
all these heads of these comp and he's in all
and a lot of people in our industry. And I'm like,
(16:04):
I turned to Tammy and said, am I being paid
for this? Because am I keeping a motivational speech? And
that's the way it was. And this went on for
two hours. Hey dude, it made me nervous. So I
had to get up and perform. I had to do it. Yeah,
and I did twenty five minutes of comedy. So you're
(16:27):
in a game recently, Yeah, you're there. And the Rock
he's the biggest star in the world. He wrote the
forward to my book. He's one of my teammates that
I reached out to when i'm he is the best,
but he leaves me basically a seven minute voicemail. I
just met Terry Bradshaw. Man, I just met my He's
(16:47):
my hero, he's my oh my, and he is going
I've never heard him like this, just going nuts about
you and how much he looks up to you. Who
for Terry Bradshaw, who would you go, oh my god, Well,
it wouldn't be an athlete, no disrespect. It would be
Vince Lombardi. I think that that would have been I've
(17:08):
often said I would have to have played for Tom Landry.
I would have loved to play for Bill Walsh and
Don Coryell, three of the great minds of football. And
I would like to take what I thought what I
could apply to life or play. I would like to
take all that I could get from them and put
it in one peel and have all that knowledge to swallow,
(17:31):
you know. But those are some of the it's really
not I met Tom Cruise and I didn't have time
to get you know. My daughter was with me, and
she's going, Oh my god, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, there's
Tom Cruise. We're doing the tenure anniversary of the tonight show. Dad,
Dad's Rachel, Dad, there's Tom Cruise. I said, I know,
(17:54):
just you know Tom Cruise. So we're standing up there
because it's share and all these people and just a
little little old football player and Jay Leno asked me
to be a part of his tenure anniversary, which I
was flattered, but I don't know these people. That's not
my circle. And Tom Cruise came in with an entourage,
five or six people, and they came in. Of course,
(18:14):
I bought it on the tonight show, you know, as
they should. They made a fuss over and everything. We're
just standing there. We were off maybe thirty feet up
against the wall, and then he saw me and he
just he just parted ways and came over and gave
me a hug. And I said, this is Rachel and
he says, hey, sweetie, you're so beautiful. Gave her hug.
When you can meet someone that's famous, we all are
(18:38):
impressed and they're super nice. Man. That goes a long
way with me, and right, he didn't have that's cool,
that's very cool. And that's like I met the rock
at the stadium, Like you said, biggest star in the
world right now. And he couldn't have been nicer. Man,
I never met him. What a sweetheart, dude. He's he's
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the most genuine friend now he's that. He's most authentically
like genuine friend of Right. Yeah, it was. I liked
meeting him. I'm like beating those guys. I think it's
cool to meet him. So you talked about these these
offensive coaches, and you called your own place and people
don't realize you called your own place, right. I mean,
(19:21):
it's stressful enough just to perform much less I'm gonna
call your own place, basically being your own office coordinator.
Would you have preferred that's how, that's how your career run,
that you called your own place, or would you have
preferred that you would have had like a like you said,
Sean mcveigor, Don Querril or somebody else do it if
I had those guys as my coach. First of all,
(19:42):
you learned the offense. Then you studied the offense and
the application. The key is not knowing what trips right floody? Okay,
there it is. Why am I going trips right floody?
Here's what it does to the defense. See that's that's
what you want to know. Okay, When I get this
defense words of weakness? Where do I go? What if
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they blitz? So I gather as much knowledge as I
can about one formation? All right? And if I could
do that with kore On knew the two I told
to you about and learn all of that stuff, I
would prefer to call my own plays. I don't want
to lose a game. And as a competitor and quarterback
(20:22):
walk off the field and go back into the locker
room going what a dumb game plan? We didn't attack?
We didn't this, we didn't that, and you have no
control of it. And then here comes the press and
they're jumping all over you because you didn't have a
good game. And now you've heard me say this. Offensive
coordinators don't always have good games, and the quarterbacks pay
(20:43):
for it. So I would if I'm gonna sink or swim,
I want to sink or swim making my own choices,
but I would be educated. Okay, I want to make
sure that that I apply all of this with the
proper understanding of what it dictates to a defense and
where I can go with it. And that's that takes
a lot of work and a lot of time. I'd
rather call my own plays. I started calling my own
(21:05):
plays in college, and I've set up all the fronts
and I'd set up you know, uh nine seventy nine three,
you know, I'd set up all the and I love it.
It's it's just so much fun to do that, and
or to get in a huddle. And when I'm in
a huddle with the lineman and everyone, I can say, Okay,
(21:27):
we ran this, we ran that. I thought this was
gonna work. Hey John, what's going on? What do you
think we And then they'll say, Hey, this guy's jumping inside.
Let's try the special. Okay, let's give that a shot.
When you're when you are the commander in chief, I
can do what I want to do. They're gonna listen.
And also I'm smart enough to know they're out there
(21:49):
with boots on the ground. Okay to use that frase,
I'm just sitting back here. I'm the four star general
looking through binoculars. They know what's going on, and I
I lean on them for knowledge, and that's what run.
That's how I ran the offense. And we would change.
If we were in sixty two dig stalwarts. I may say, hey, look,
(22:11):
don't clear to the post this time. Run an option
on him, and if the digs are covered, I'll know
what they're doing. And because instead of going to the post,
you may and and being covered, go to the corner
or the queue or whatever and be uncovered. And so
we did that all the time, change routes up on
plays that we called because it made no sense to
run to be covered. This week's the fiftieth anniversary or
(22:33):
the Immaculate Reception. Yeah, give me, give me something about
the reception that you know, and the rest of the
world doesn't know something we just don't know about. Well,
here's something full right split sixty six circle option. That's
the play. Circle is with the half back Frenchie Fuqua
bending around and going to the middle of the football
(22:54):
field to attract the safety. The option is with the
split in take off post corner. Whatever sixty six says,
fullback staying in block, tied in, staying in block, come on,
come up and lay it on the outside with the
flanker as an option. Franco had to block. He didn't
block soul. When I dropped back and got flushed out.
(23:16):
He literally was standing there watching me because he and
I watched this together three weeks ago. Said yeah, I said, look,
you don't block a soul. You didn't block a soul. Hey,
the guy went inside the stutters a little bit. Guy
went inside and he just standing there, itevable. I'm bailing out,
(23:40):
trying to avoid being sacked. It was fourth down, twenty
two seconds left, and that was the play. And I swung.
I raised my arm like this to avoid being tackled,
and the guy missed my arm. And when I brought
the arm, when I went like this, and when the
arm came down, I fired it because I saw black
jersey and I got hit and I went down. I
(24:02):
didn't know what happened. Heard the roar of the crowd,
knew it was a touchdown. Knew it was a touchdown. Okay,
the roar told me it's a touchdown. We're trying to
get first down, not a touchdown. But I knew it
was a touchdown and got up, and you know, I
didn't see it. So I'm asking what happened, and I'm
getting mobbed. What happened? What? What? What? What? What happened?
(24:25):
And it took a long time. I didn't really understand
what happened, ja until I got in the locker room
and they were able to tell me what happened. And
I went from being this giant hero who stood in
the pocket aboard being sacked, gunned that bad boy down there,
hit whoever it was that caught it, and they went
down the sideline, and man, I'm gonna be doing endorsements commercials.
(24:48):
I mean, he wrote a million, but when you when
they described Jack Hatum comes up, he blasts Frenchie, followed
those flying back. Franco catch is it off the ground
or whatever? He runs down the sideline and you go,
really really got the air out of it. Really something
(25:12):
you may not know. As Mr Rooney had left his
owner's box and went to the locker room to congratulate
us on a good year, he didn't know we won. Wow.
Really yeah, he heard the roar, but he didn't know
what it was. Wow, that's incredible. And the other thing,
the other thing that your folks might be interested in.
Back then, there was what a twenty four hour or
(25:33):
hour sellout rule, and if you didn't sell all the tickets,
the game was blocked in. This game was blocked out
black black on TV. Yes, I didn't know that half
of the city of Pittsburgh was empty because everybody drove
out of town to watch it somewhere else. But the
city did not get the game because the game was
not a sellout. Know what. Oh, that's incredible. No, that's
(25:56):
that's I just found Hey, I just found that out.
I didn't. That's unbelievable. And I asked Franco. He's done
some research, man, he's got this thing down. And I
asked him, I said, you didn't you never do answer
the question? Did you trap it on the ground? And
I said, I've always told everybody you trapped it because
you get the worst hands on the team. But I
(26:16):
saw an end zone and he caught it about a
foot off the ground. And I said, what made you
go down? Because he took off running down the field
towards Frenchie and he said, Joe Paterno taught us that
when the ball is released, run to the ball, and
that's what I was doing, and that's why he was
in to make the catch. Yeah, all right, Before I
(26:38):
let you go, I got two more questions for You's okay,
because one of them is the other most incredible thing
that you would you never told us. We had to
read it in the Athletic a year ago when you
had surgery on your elbow and you went in and
you went under somebody else's name, whose name is Tom Brady. Folks,
(27:01):
this is a true story, and this is what yours.
This This would have been eighty one nine one. Yeah, right,
But I don't know how old Tom Brady wasn't in anyone,
but this is obviously before Tom Brady, right, folks. The
coincidence of coincidences. Temp Roger goes in to get a
(27:22):
surgery under the you know, the alias of Tom Brady, right,
that's prophetic in it. That's like, Wow, the original TV
twelve going to t V twelve and you never thought
to tell us. Yeah, I never thought about it. It
had it had to be brought to my attention. It's
been too many years ago. Hey, it's been Um, I've
(27:44):
been a TV forty three years. That's a long time.
T I hear you that. But there's only one Tom Brady,
and that we you know what we know of at
Tom Rocher, Like you would think that it would have jock.
You remember you called your own place. You would think
this would a jock, Marie. I didn't think about it.
I Hey, j never crossed my mind. It is kind
(28:06):
of It's kind of funny. You know what I thought.
I told it to Brady this year. Brady didn't know.
I told him training campus year. He's like, what am I?
You would have thought he goes. You thought he would
have told you? Yeah, you thought he would. Yeah. I
got a nice I'm with a nice agency, a really
nice agency. And why Tom and I have not done
(28:27):
a commercial gather is we should do one, don't you think?
Just because I'm always calling myself the original TV and
I love him to respects. Yeah, I did a deal
with Dick, Butker's it was visa commercial. I took the ball,
I broke your back, I ran so far and it
(28:50):
was oh yes, I remember it well, and we did
that take. It was hilarious, Oh hilarious. And I can
only imagine the fun that we can have with Tom
and I doing it. You know, well, I think that'll
come up when he works with us. I hope. So
(29:10):
I'm hearing now and you know more than I do.
I'm here and he's even talking about coming back next year. God.
So my last question I asked, yes, this, you know,
you could take it whatever you want. I always ask people,
what's your unbreakable moment? Like, what's that moment in your life?
It's called unbreakable that something should have broke you but didn't,
and you came through the other side of that tunnel
(29:32):
and you're strong. There's a phrase I heard on television
and a guy by the name of Quickly Phips used
it before he sang this song. And being a guy
that speaks to a lot of corporations, I used to
I don't as much anymore, but I almost always used
this because it sets up a good ending and it
(29:56):
goes It's in the quiet crucible of your personal pride.
It's suffering that your noblest dreams are born and God's
greatest gifts are given to you for what you've been through.
And that says it all right there. I am most proud,
most proud of not letting them break me in Pittsburgh
(30:17):
when they called me dumb and stupid and basically had
nobody defending me as kind of like a man on
an island. And I was sitting in my room, Jake,
all by myself, not married, and I had emotional breakdown
and I had this incredible talk to myself. I've never
said this where I said, I am not gonna let
them take this from me. I am not going to
(30:40):
be destroyed by these negative people. You know, nobody is
going to steal my dream. I own it. It's mine.
And I had this incredible self motivating talk to myself
and it was from that moment on that I developed
I did, and how he loves it. When I say
mirror economics or mirror self evaluation, what does that mean me?
(31:05):
Stand in front of the mirror and have a talk
with yourself, and you'll tell yourself, you low life, you
non working dog, you better do this. You know, it's
called I call it mirror economics, but it's basically it's
a self evaluation. And when you do that and you're
all alone by yourself, you're gonna be brutally honest. You're
not gonna try to pull something over someone's eyes or
(31:27):
pretend to be something you're not. You're gonna be brutally
honest with yourself and you're gonna take that and you're
gonna apply it to your life. And it was that
time where I decided I'm weak emotionally. Everything bothers me.
I need a pat on the back, I need love,
I need this, I need that. But I'm not and
I'm not and I'm not. And from this day forward,
(31:50):
you know, as you said, the shield is up, and
my shield of armor is up, and nobody's gonna break in,
and I'm gonna turn the surround. It may not have
been in Pittsburgh, may have been somewhere else, but thank
god it was in Pittsburgh. That is my Unbreakable moment.
Heb I love your brother. That is the way to
finish off the Unbreakable podcast. Oh my god, And what
(32:14):
a what a message to give to people from the
holidays to holidays could be hard for a lot of people.
I love you, my brother. I love you brother. Thanks
for having me on. Happy Hanukkah, Happy Merry Christmas. You
know and enjoy your family, enjoy your friends, and be
nice to people. Folks. Let's keep walking and squak together.
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