December 28, 2022 • 32 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental health podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today's episode, former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Rashad Evans takes Jay on a magical ride through the medical mushroom industry and explains the many benefits of functional mushrooms.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glazer. What's happening to Gang? This is
Unbreakable a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer and listen.
I've talked many times in the past battling my own
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mental health issues, my depression, anxiety, that I need teammates
and teammates coming all forms and shapes and sizes. The
guy I'm having them right now. He's one of my teammates, man,
and he's the former UFC Light heavyweight champ in the world,
but also now he's diving into the mental health game
as well with a new business. Listen, my job here
for this podcast is to give as many people options
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that can to battle this thing we call life and
you know what goes on between the years as I
possibly can. And I'm kind of fascinating about what my
guest here with Sean Evans, is doing in his next
step of life, in his post fight career. Although I
think you're about to fight again, aren't you? But welcome
to Rich I haven't tell you doing, brother. What's up?
Jake Glazier? Man? What is It's a long time they'll
see you. Man, I feel like I've seen you so long. Baby.
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I miss you. I miss you, I miss you. We
and Roshan and I have a long history together, a
fucking with each other as much as we possibly can. Right,
one time he lost a bet to me and he
had to do seven any time push ups, which right,
at any point I could call him wherever he is
and say, you gotta drop and give me ten push ups.
So one time I was in the gas station on
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a filthy floor, right, one time you were you were
a club, right, and he looks like a complete jerk
off that you're just getting down doing pushups right in
the middle of, like in the middle of like a
dance floor the club, just like you know, he's already
a meet because he's a fighter, but now he's doing
push ups in front of the club. You got me
one time on airs, you see the problem get any
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time pushing up with Jake Glaziers. The fact that Jay
Power trips on you, like he it's just like the
way that he says it. It's just such a it's
such a demean thing, you know. So I did it
on the air only every one time he and I
were hosting the UFC show and in the middle of
the show, I'm like now, he's like and he just
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looks at me. I'm like now, And he had to
get up with the desk to do push up to
the producers, like, what is going on here? What is
going on? I just ignored him and he had to
get up with the desk to do anytime puts up.
Man you are I mean, you've done so much in
your life. And Els his brothers and and Rich is
also he's an ask to train with because he don't
let up. I'm kind of fascinated by where you're going
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to her Tell everybody what you're doing your business partner
with Jake Plumber, who's a famous quarterback in the NFL.
Tell her what tell us about your business, how you
got into it, where it helps you know, I'm only here. Well,
I got into the whole mushrooms and functional mushrooms coming
from my career from the UFC. You know, like my
last few fights in the UFC, I just wasn't myself
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and I just didn't have that feeling inside anymore. And
I was on my way out and I didn't really
know if that's the direction I need to go, but
something that I felt as if like I needed to
do and so. But during the round that time, you know,
I had a brain injury that kept me out of
New York, UH from getting license in New York. You know,
I was supposed to fight in New York Tim Kennedy,
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but I didn't get the license because I had some
kind of brain injury that came up on by MR.
So when it came time for me to close that
doing my life for transition into the next phase of
my career, I was worried about my mental health. I
was worried about my brain. I was worried about you know,
what's gonna happen. Because I'm an analyst, and I was like,
you know, I want to still be able to talk.
I don't want to sound a punchy. So I really
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started to look at the things to kind of bring
me back, bring my mind back. And then that's when
I discovered mushrooms in general. It started off first with
the psychedelics, the psilocybin, but I ran across an interview
with Paul Stammon and UH and Joe Rogan. In the interview,
Paul Stamits, he talked about this combination that he uses
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with psilocybin with lions, main mushrooms and nyacin. So I
started using that stack, and once I started using the stack,
I started feeling so much better, Like my mental clarity
came back. I felt as if like I started to
really turn the corner mentally speaking, even with my train.
I felt like I can finally get to the openings
that I was seeing that I couldn't before when I
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felt like I was fading out. So once I started
to dive into the whole mushroom aspect, I really got
into functional mushrooms. Around the same time I that Jake Plumber, well,
function philocybin not legal yet, No, it's not, and functional
mushrooms are yeah yeah yeah so so yeah. So the
difference with the functional mushrooms in the psilocybin is, you know,
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like you said, function psilocybin is the magic mushrooms, but
the people here about what you're saying, mushrooms where you
can and just for for transparency with people here, I
have done psilocybin mushroom journeys with therapists that have gotten
me to unlock things that I have spackled over in
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childhood and just things that it has opened me up.
So this is not for me to say, hey, you
go do mushrooms. Not this is that was my choice
and my darkness is so deep and painful for me,
I am willing to push the limits and try to
do what I can to see some blue. So you know,
so this is why I am kind of fascinated here.
It didn't work for me, doesn't mean it can work
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for somebody else, but it did help me, so go
keep going. Yeah, So so it helped me out tremendously,
Like it was like one of those things that kind
of removed a lot of the fog. But you know,
I really started to lean them more of the functional
mushroom aspect of it, because the functional mushrooms are legal,
but they have such tremendous effect to you know, what
are some of those called the functional emotions. So you
have the Turkey tale, which is like gut health, and
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that's really good for people who was like having cancer
where anybody takes antibiotics because it feeds the natural gut
by the gut biome, and your gut, your gut is
your second brain. It's your second brain, right and and
it's in your immune system. So having a healthy gut.
It helps you stay healthy with you know, eighty five,
same with your immunity. So it's good to have a
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huge tincture that you can use Turkey Tale for the
for that. Then you have the Lions Main. The Lions
Main is for cognitive function, and it's you know, it's
really really good for kind of uh clearing out your cognition,
but even just kind of focused in concentration to really
good for that. Then you have the Court of Steps.
It was good for respiratory health, and uh, then you
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have the Ratio, which is good for like the overall
body type health. So Jake and I we were on
the same program because Jake was still coming from his
whole football thing and he was still trying to find
something to kind of help him get out of the
fog as well too, and we both kind of started
taking these functional mushrooms. Then once we met, you know,
we were kind of you know, on the same journey,
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and we've we've done a few journeys together and we
did off a really close friendship. We met through a
guy named Dale Joudy out of Denver, one of our
good friends who kind of showed me the game with
the mushroom, and uh, when we talked about what these
mushrooms have done for us, you know, we're like, you know,
we gotta be able to get this back to people.
We gotta be able to find a way to kind
of pack yourself and get back to people. We tried
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other mushrooms on the market, but we felt like there
was something missing, so we came with our own brand,
which is called Umbo. And you know, with Umbo, so
the umbo is the top of the mushroom, So you
have the mushroom capital a little top of a little
little bump that's called an embow. So that's what that's
what we named our confidence. Real quickly, when you say
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you guys are in the fog, yeah, wasn't fogged from
head injuries. There was a fog of man, I don't
I don't know want to do next with my career.
You know, for me, it was it was a little
bit of both. You know, only can speak for myself,
but uh, it was the fog from kind of head injuries,
but also more or less, you know, just that transition.
That transition for me was really hard because I didn't
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go out the way that I wanted to do. And
you know, I'm such a competitor and I wanted to
be able to to leave the sport on my terms,
you know. And I felt as leaving the UFC the
way that I did, losing five fights in a row,
it just wasn't me and it didn't represent the legacy
that I thought that I had, So it really bothered me.
You know. I struggle for a while to really find
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my place, you know, in the next phase of my life,
and I really wanted to understand what that phase looked like.
So for me, it was I think it's a big
problem that. Look, nobody leaves their sport. It's very rare,
I should say, people leave the sport the way they
want to. Unless you're like Barry Sanders, You're like, I'm
out on top, right, nobody really does that. You're an athlete,
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you're a warrior, so you're gonna hold on and bribe
that shield as long as you can. And I do
think that's a huge problem with a lot of our
athletes is then comparing themselves to what they used to
be instead of appreciating what you will have done the
height of your career. Absolutely absolutely, and that's something that
that's one of those lessons Jay that you know, I
had to really dig deep myself and I had to
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really just you know, have some some some journey, some
of the psychedelic journeys that you talked about to kind
of really get to the heart of the question and
really uncover some of the things that I was afraid
to look at, some of the things I was afraid
admit to myself. Started there, and once I was able
to start there just being honest with myself, I was
able to start to heal in some of the ways
and really started to get perspective on things I didn't
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have perspective on, Like you, you're a world champion. Nobody
can take that from you, but you're never not going
to be a champion. You've done it? Are you able
to love yourself? Can see that? Yeah, I see it.
I definitely see it now. I definitely see it now.
But you know, during that time, you know, I gotta
be honest, it was it was a very hard phase
because it's not only just the way you see yourself,
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but it's the way that you feel other people see you,
you know, And that for me is like, you know,
your phone stops ringing as much. You know what I'm saying,
and people stop. You know, they treat you differently, even
even though they don't really mean to. They just kind
of treat you differently because there is no you know,
there's no there's no big caveat to really you know,
keeping that relationship with you like it was before. You know,
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before they can you know, go and you know, go
to one of your fights or something like that. You know,
but then once that all ends, everything is the relationship
that you had, the way you would treat you ends,
and it can be very difficult to deal with, you know,
just the whole transition. Yeah, I know, and I look,
I've been around a lot of football players. That's the
issue is, you know, they were let in the club
before anybody else, and now all of a sudden, you know,
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those developt ropes don't open up, and it's hard for them,
it is, and it's it's it's a humbling experience. You know,
it's a truly humbling experience. But it's something that you
know when you're in, when you're in it and you're
living it, you don't ever see that it's gonna end.
You know, you just feel like it's just the way
that it is. From now when you get used to
that because you know, I was in the UFC for
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so many seasons that I was doing my thing and
I was on top for so long. So for me,
it just felt like I can just keep on doing
this until I decided that I wasn't ready anymore. But
you know, the end has a different way of coming
for everybody, and it doesn't necessarily mean it's the end,
but it's more of less of a transition, and uh,
you know, having to hit that transition for me but
was something I really didn't expect, but it was something
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that made me strong as a person to go through it.
And look, when I started m v P, a part
of it was for the athletes in there, and I
would tell all these football players and fighters, like, man,
you play in the NFL, is now who you are?
What's behind your rib kidge that got you to beat
out millions to play on this level. That's who the
funk you are that never goes away, that suddenly don't
just leave when the uniform comes off. And same for you, man,
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just because you lay your gloves down that cage doesn't
mean that fighter and you ever dies, He's always there.
He's always been there. But who reminds you of that
when the lights kind of start turning off. Yeah, yeah,
You're absolutely right, man, And that's something that you know,
like I had to take about like four years off
and I went on a lot of different you know,
internal journey, so really trying to get to the really
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heart of the matter. And once I was able to
start to get some kind of perspective, I felt that energy,
that love for the sport to start to come back.
So I started to train and I started to nurture it,
and I really started to just enjoy it from a
different perspective, you know. And once I was able to
enjoy it from a different perspective, that was healing in itself.
You know that that was my medicine, and that really
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helped me to come to terms with with the way
that things were and really get to see the beauty
of it all, you know what I'm saying, and not
just look at as like, oh, I didn't go the
way that I wanted to in the end, because at
the end of the day, I wouldn't have had it
gone any other way because I'm so happy with the
way I came out on the other side. But I
don't feel like I would have been able to come
out on the other side like this if I had
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not went through that that at that time, that rough period.
What could you tell other fighters now, like the younger
guys or ready athlete, based on what you've been through,
you know, I'll tell them to enjoy it, enjoy enjoy
every single minute of it, because you know, you're always
want to fight away from your last fight, and when
when it's over, it's over, you're gonna want to redo,
but there's no reduce. So the best thing to do is,
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you know, enjoy every single moment of it. Because I
look back on those times and I can still close
my eyes and I can still feel the feeling of
just you know what it feels like the moments right
before I'm about to walk onto the cage, or you know,
right when I'm in a hotel room sitting and getting
ready for a fight, and I have that feeling of
you know, fear and anxiety and just you know, uber excitement.
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All those feelings were were so much part of the
journey and made me feel alive and made just kind
of live from a different place. And when I think
back on those times, I think, like, man, I made
it a lot harder than I needed to make it
because I wasn't willing to just live in and enough.
You know, I didn't understand how how fragile that that
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that moment was, how how just a moment of time
that it was. You know, my mind played a trick
on me. And when when when I got on the
other side that I'm just like, man, what I wouldn't
give to be sick in the hotel room, getting ready
to throw up, not being able to sleep because I'm
getting ready to fight in a few hours. You know
that's excited, you know, so I would just tell them
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just to enjoy it. Man, this is all part of
the journey. Yeah, that's the part of Goldie in the
Rainbow to climb itself. Yeah, that's what the rainbow. That's it.
It's it's the journey. It's it's going it's facing yourself.
You know what I'm since saying, Jay, It's being able
to face yourself. And that's one thing that I truly
miss about the fight game when it when it was done,
Like it's that moment of having a full training camp
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and then having you know, your life still happening on
the outside, but then you gotta put it together for
one night. No matter if you wake up on that day,
feel on fight day and you feel like you don't
feel your best, you gotta put it together. And it
tells you a lot about yourself because you gotta come
from a place. And even in the fight when it
gets hard and you just look across the cage and
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the guy still has a lot of energy and you
just gave it all, but you refuse to quit that
right there. It meant more to me than having my
hand raised. That moment, that moment right before your opponent
breaks or when he breaks and you look in his
eyes and he's done that right there. To me, that
gets me higher than anything, you know, that made me.
That made me happier than anything that made me happier
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than raise my hand. And to me, that's what it
was all about. Yeah, that's again. That's when you can
take the ego out of having your hand raised or
not and just say, man, I'm gonna go in there
today and I'm gonna put all my hard work into
breaking somebody else. Yeah, and I'm just gonna make it
a horrible afternoon for that person across me. You take
that ego out, that makes you a dangerous fighter, absolutely, man,
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absolutely because at the end of the day, well, what
I what I've come to realize is that it was
never about me competing with anybody. It was always about
me competing with myself. It was always about me getting
and tapping into that part of myself that was gonna
allow me to perform my best because no matter who
I went against, it was always about me and posing
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my will on them. And it's about me finding that
gear inside of myself to do so, finding that mindset.
It was all between the years and the times that
I lost, I just mentally wasn't bringing myself there. Now
you know, we're talking about mental issues. So anybody who fights,
we're up going in right right. And then you know
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that's problem with transition to is those that funked up
this doesn't suddenly just leave. You know, when the career
is over. It's still there. So now what are we
gonna find ourselves doing. The roommates on our head are
still fucking crazy right there, still sucking there. That's what
gets you to take three steps. So that's what gets
us to train over and over and put all those
hours in when nobody else is watching, and the injuries
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we sustained and the fucking you want to throw up
in a fucking sauna and man, and I say, well,
just because I've trained with you, not that I've done
it like you, but it's it is a craziness and
it's the same thing like you know these football players,
like man, you gotta be fucked up to put a
helmet on and just smash your head and airan donnald
all day long, like there's something off about you. I
am proud of being off in that way. I have
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found salace in knowing that I'm fucked up, but I'm
good with my funked up. This. When you saw that
you had brain injury, what did it make you? What
kind of emotions did that bring for you? You know,
it kind of brought, um, you know, a feeling of
of mortality to me. You know, I felt I felt
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very mortal, and as I say, like you know, when
I'm when as a fighter, I felt indestructible as time.
You know, I felt as if like things happened, but
they're not gonna happen to me. But when when I
when I see that I had a brain injury, and
I've seen that, you know, it's something that couldn't get
worse as I got older. It kind of scared me
because the worst thing and and one of my biggest
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fears was, you know, being trapped in my body, you know,
having having something like Muhammad Ali, you know, got arrest
his soul or somebody else who has those kind of
injuries where you know it manifesting them, just kind of
being a prisoner of the body until the end of days.
And I'm just like, man, I don't I don't want
that for myself. So it scared me, man, And I
was like, what am I gonna do with the rest
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of my life? You know, I didn't. I didn't want
that for myself. So I really wanted to find some
way to heal myself in a natural way and something
I was going to uh be it be a life
changeing thing, a lifestyle changeing thing for me. Tell me
more about like just what you've learned about the the
mushroom industry, and because I'm starting to see a lot
of these companies stuff. Yeah, so, so the mushroom industry
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is huge, you know, it is, right, It's where cannabis
was years ago, and it's gonna go beyond that because
of the benefits of these mushrooms. You know, these mushrooms
are are are amazing with kind of you know, healing
the neurological body, you know. And and when we look
at what we call old age, that's typically a lot
of neurogenesis, right, it's a neuropathy, you know, we get
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the all zonomerss, we get you know, you know, the
Parking sans, and we get a bunch of things that
kind of ends up to just, uh, you know, neuropathy
because of the fact that we're we're ingesting these toxins,
where in a toxic environment with stress and all these
different things, and it takes a toll on a neurological body.
So these mushrooms do a great job of just rerouting
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the neurological body. But not only that, you know, you
talk about with the psilocybin. The psilocybin has has so
many benefits when it comes to healing your body from
a neurological standpoint, you know, um physically speaking to use
of physical therapy, but even from emotional standpoint and really
getting perspective. And I feel like that's one thing that
we all lack in a lot of different ways, you know,
because it takes time to get perspective. But in order
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to go through that, you know that time, you gotta
take a lot of bumps on the head until you
get that perspective. Well, when you do psilocybin, it's like
it takes you out of that that in close framework,
so then you can kind of sit back and then
you can see the whole entire picture. And then when
you come back the games that you learn it becomes
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your new true north because it's something that you realize
yourself versus going to a therapist and having them speak
until you over and over again about it, so you
start to believe in yourself. So there's so many benefits
with these mushrooms, and you know, with Umbo, you know,
we're really focusing on the functional mushroom because we believe
that the functional mushrooms have so much benefit, just like
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the psilocybin does. And you know, think about this, there's
only ten really truly known what mushrooms can do. So
this is the whole entire kingdom that we've kind of
you know, admitted out of our diet. But once we
start to really put it back into our diet and
we start to understand what the impact these mushrooms can do.
I think it's gonna be astounded. But I've been over
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the years, I've been prescribed like over thirty antidepressants and
anti anxieties and um, and they haven't worked. I had
one that worked in anti anxiety for about two weeks
and then my body just synthesizes things really fast and
then all of a sudden, it doesn't work. You know, me,
I'm like a rhino, Like man, it takes three times
the amount of things to work on me. So and
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and this is to say, like man, whenever somebody I
have a friend who has an anti anxiety matter or
antidepressant that works for them, I'm I'm like jealous, Like
I'm happy for them, but I'm jealous, and like man,
I always want them to work. So I always want
people to yes, like if med's works, we like definitely
used meds, but I had to go out of the
box to try and find other ways. You know, I
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knew a lot of our veterans we're using so salmon
and trying that, and and I heard more fighters us
into something like you know, I'm gonna give a shot.
And it did. It really got me to see, like
you're saying I got to take a step out and
see everything from childhood UM from a different lens and
then go and use what I learned there with my
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therapist moving forward. But it also it it got me
to stop beating up on myself for why was a
certain way? It got mean to understand more why it
was a certain way. Once you able to do that,
it's you that see it right and and it's nothing
that nothing to anybody needs to convince you of it.
It becomes a true north for you and a true
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understanding for you. You know. One of the biggest tools
that I used that one of the medicines that I
did UM you know I've I've you know done Ayahuaska
journeys and things like that. It was a five M
e O d mt dyeah that the toad for me
that to me was was one that truly UM was
was the most actful for me because it truly UH
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allowed me to have a perspective all myself and on
all of this around me, which I didn't even have before.
So when I came back into the physical I I
no longer seemed like the same way. It was almost
as if like did you die during your oh I died. Yeah,
I definitely, Yeah, you're not literally dying. You you think
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you've died, And yeah, I didn't die, but I'll tell
you my experience. But when I had my experience, you know,
it was just kind of you know, uh it was
it was right when I was, you know, thinking about
whether I should retire or whether I should go on
with the rest of my career. So I needed some answers,
and uh, when I did this medicine, it really, um
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it blew me out of my socks, like to the
point where, you know, right out the gate, I'm just like, oh,
I felt like, oh man, I killed myself. But then no,
sooner than I had that thought, I then had a
knowing this kind of tell me that you've done this
millions of times, You've done as colendars of time. This
is what you are. And then I had like this
beautiful feeling of just this connectedness and it's it's truly
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something to be hold and not to be told, because
it's there's really no words for it. Right there. It's
a place where there's there's really no words that can
can truly describe the difference between you know, this reality
and a reality and which we are truly a part
of you know that that's that's that's that's part of
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this collective and which connects you and I and every
single sentient and every single thing in existence altogether. It's
not legal America. You gotta go elsewhere. I've gone elsewhere.
But so my experience with d MT it's actually where
the my term the great came from. So I did this,
and people it's a ten minute trip, right that, that's it,
unless and some people throw up like I didn't. I'm
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afraid to throw up during anything and purds because when
my love asked for a couple of years ago, you know,
and you know, and I almost died from from that.
I'm just not willing to have that happened to me again.
So but what happened was like I do this trip,
and man, I go through this dark maze of this
gray this gray maze, and going through the gray maize,
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going through the gray maids, going through this gray made
and all of a sudden, bom, I come in and
I feel like I'm in heaven, and I feel and
I see like the most beautiful kaleidoscope colors like you
could ever see, and I start smiling from ear to
ear like where it hurts to smile that much, and
the therapist is with me, she's giggling because of my
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goofy has smile, but how much I'm smiling. And then
I started to cry and she said, what are you crying?
But I said, well, I finally felt what it was
like to be happy, and I said, this was my life.
I've been through all this gray. My whole life is
that gray. And then I felt, for the first time
in my life, I felt that lou and I saw
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that blue, and I felt the way I'm supposed to feel.
But then I felt bad for that guy who only
gets to live in that gray. And that's why I
started crying. Yeah, that's deep, that's that's that's so deep
because when I when I came back to I was
crying as well too. You know, for me, it was
like I just couldn't believe that I forgot. I couldn't
believe I forgot what what I'm true, what I truly am.
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Just that realization and that understanding of just how hard
I've I've made life and I didn't really need to
make it that hard. The understanding of just of what
I am and what this truly is. It was such
a freeing thing for me that allowed me to put
a lot of the fear that I had down, a
lot of the baggage that I doubt, the emotional baggage
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that I had, allowed me to put it down, and
allowed me to just um live from a different place.
Like if you wanted the pression comes out, I'm gonna
try it. Like I'm not gonna stop working on myself,
the same way I won't stop working on myself physically.
I'm not gonna stop work to myself. Between years. It's
easier for me for gains physically than it is between
my ears. You can really quantify the gains physically speaking,
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but it's really hard to quantify the gains uh mentally
in between the years. And one thing that I've started
to do it kind of helped me, you know, get
past it. And you know, I started to to write
right down. I start to really write down and really
start to to read my words out of journal Yeah.
I started to journaling and that helps me out a lot,
because there's some things that you you can't tell people right,
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or you don't want to tell people, or you don't
know how to put it in words. You you ever
really worked it out yet in your mind to really
put it in words and even just come there's some
things you just want to keep to yourself. So fighting
and finding a way to write these things down, write
my thoughts out, just allowing me to just kind of
have that emotional diarrhea on on paying and paper. It
has been such a healing thing for because then now
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I can go back and I can read it, and
then off of reading it, I can then start to
you know, start start to have a different look at myself.
I can get perspective, right, I can get perspective on
what I wrote down and think, Okay, well where was
I at emotionally when I was writing it down? So
it is it has been a really good tool for
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me to use to kind of get perspective on myself.
But even just kind of find some way to emotionally
vent without having to tell somebody. I want every dude
Ansor to hear this and realize, these are two bad
motherfuckers who were talking about crying, talking about our emotions,
talking about our feelings. If we could do that, then
so could everybody else. I do want us to pave
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the way for others in this way. The more dudes
could start talking about their ship, the more dudes will
not be so apt to put a revolver in their mouth.
You know that that's the problem when when we talk
about this kind of masculinity that that we've all agreed
to without even agreed to in society, that you know,
we're gonna be a man that doesn't really show an
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emotions and a man that you know who does emotions.
This week and all these different things that we've come
to know that really made us feel as if like
we we can't be vulnerable with ourselves. You know, it
felt like at one point in my life, like I
felt like the tear ducts just dried up, like I
just couldn't cry, and also emotionally constipated. I just I
didn't know how to feel. I didn't I really didn't
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know how to feel a lot of times, and I
would do things just to see if I could feel,
Like you know what I'm saying, Like I I wanted
to feel something, but I really I couldn't feel anything
because I've I've stuffed those feelings, and I stuffed those
feelings for so long to the point where I didn't
know how to express it anymore. I didn't know how
to let it out anymore. But when I finally was
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able to let it out, I'm like, it felt so good,
and it really showed me that that's where I need
to live from in order to be my best meat.
That's the place where I need to live from. Another thing,
I write about my book to get people through the
grays laughter, And there's no way I have reshot my
shows about him making me laugh my ass off and
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you all laugh with this story. So he has this
next to a neighbor, right, it's an old Jewish man
who lives across the street in Boca, and rashot, I'm
gonna let you tell the world here and let us
laugh about your first interaction with Ira across the street. Yeah.
So when I first moved, I lived across the street
from this old guy, and it's like a retirement home
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a lot of places, you know, And I lived in
this gated community. So I have a new car and
I leave the drive that my garage shore open. I
go in the house and my girl comes out in
the house and say, hey, there's there's some guy in
our drive in our in our garage. I'm like, wait what,
So I go and there sure is this guy looking
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at my car and he's like just inspecting it, and
you're just like, you know, uh, what'd she get you for?
And I was like, what do you mean, well with
with the car cost? Shot? And I was like, oh,
I told him with the price of car, no, not mad.
And then he said, she looks like she goes, she
goes fast. How how fast she get her? And I
(30:05):
was like, I got a pretty fast. Oh you know,
I probably can do a little bit better, you know,
like you should reach you and I used to, you know,
get on it. And I'm like okay. So he always
comes with this like he never leaves right the right way.
He's just like all right and just walks off. One
time he came in. I got a new chandelier. And
then he comes and he looks at the chandelier and
(30:26):
he's just like, wow, she's she's a beauty. You can
see my chandelier from the street. It's like you She's like, wow,
she's she's a beauty. My uh my wife, she she
likes this chandelier. I was like, oh man, that's cool.
Well thanks to you. Now, I uh, I have to
go get a new one. And he just walked off
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one time. No, no, till the first time you met him, oh,
the first time, the last time, oh the first time,
the first time I met him. He comes to the
house and he says, uh, so, uh, you're the colored boxer.
And I don't even flinch at the fact that he
said color. I'm just like, I'm like, no, I don't,
I don't box, I just do I just glanced over
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the color apart and then he says, M M may,
which which which M may? And I was like, well,
you know it's in the cage where you're fighting. He's like, oh, oh,
you're you're one of those guys. Huh huh. Well to
each their own, and he just walked off of neighborhood.
My brother, I love you, man. Tell everybody what the
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website is to go up. You want to get some
of these are functional mushrooms. Go to get humble dot
com and you can put in rashot fifteen and get
fifteen per cent off, so let the people know who
sent you. I'm putting in yeah, but yeah, guys, go
check it out. Functional mushrooms. It's the best thing to
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heal you're neurological body, make you feel good and uh,
and previously quality to be passionate about. Man, I'm you
know again every one of my guys retire as I
worry because that transition sucks. Right, there's no guide book
for transition. It fucking sucks. So I love you to
see you found something to be passionate about, brother, and folks,
if you haven't gotten my book, also here it's a
breakable How I turned my depression anxiety and the motivation
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you can too. And you know there's chapters in there
about having great teammates. Uh. And Rashot certainly is one
of my best teammates E ever had in my life. Jay,
I love you, man, I appreciate brother, appreciate you man,
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glazer. What's happening to Gang? This is
Unbreakable a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer and listen.
I've talked many times in the past battling my own
(00:23):
mental health issues, my depression, anxiety, that I need teammates
and teammates coming all forms and shapes and sizes. The
guy I'm having them right now. He's one of my teammates, man,
and he's the former UFC Light heavyweight champ in the world,
but also now he's diving into the mental health game
as well with a new business. Listen, my job here
for this podcast is to give as many people options
(00:44):
that can to battle this thing we call life and
you know what goes on between the years as I
possibly can. And I'm kind of fascinating about what my
guest here with Sean Evans, is doing in his next
step of life, in his post fight career. Although I
think you're about to fight again, aren't you? But welcome
to Rich I haven't tell you doing, brother. What's up?
Jake Glazier? Man? What is It's a long time they'll
see you. Man, I feel like I've seen you so long. Baby.
(01:06):
I miss you. I miss you, I miss you. We
and Roshan and I have a long history together, a
fucking with each other as much as we possibly can. Right,
one time he lost a bet to me and he
had to do seven any time push ups, which right,
at any point I could call him wherever he is
and say, you gotta drop and give me ten push ups.
So one time I was in the gas station on
(01:28):
a filthy floor, right, one time you were you were
a club, right, and he looks like a complete jerk
off that you're just getting down doing pushups right in
the middle of, like in the middle of like a
dance floor the club, just like you know, he's already
a meet because he's a fighter, but now he's doing
push ups in front of the club. You got me
one time on airs, you see the problem get any
(01:49):
time pushing up with Jake Glaziers. The fact that Jay
Power trips on you, like he it's just like the
way that he says it. It's just such a it's
such a demean thing, you know. So I did it
on the air only every one time he and I
were hosting the UFC show and in the middle of
the show, I'm like now, he's like and he just
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looks at me. I'm like now, And he had to
get up with the desk to do push up to
the producers, like, what is going on here? What is
going on? I just ignored him and he had to
get up with the desk to do anytime puts up.
Man you are I mean, you've done so much in
your life. And Els his brothers and and Rich is
also he's an ask to train with because he don't
let up. I'm kind of fascinated by where you're going
(02:31):
to her Tell everybody what you're doing your business partner
with Jake Plumber, who's a famous quarterback in the NFL.
Tell her what tell us about your business, how you
got into it, where it helps you know, I'm only here. Well,
I got into the whole mushrooms and functional mushrooms coming
from my career from the UFC. You know, like my
last few fights in the UFC, I just wasn't myself
(02:52):
and I just didn't have that feeling inside anymore. And
I was on my way out and I didn't really
know if that's the direction I need to go, but
something that I felt as if like I needed to
do and so. But during the round that time, you know,
I had a brain injury that kept me out of
New York, UH from getting license in New York. You know,
I was supposed to fight in New York Tim Kennedy,
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but I didn't get the license because I had some
kind of brain injury that came up on by MR.
So when it came time for me to close that
doing my life for transition into the next phase of
my career, I was worried about my mental health. I
was worried about my brain. I was worried about you know,
what's gonna happen. Because I'm an analyst, and I was like,
you know, I want to still be able to talk.
I don't want to sound a punchy. So I really
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started to look at the things to kind of bring
me back, bring my mind back. And then that's when
I discovered mushrooms in general. It started off first with
the psychedelics, the psilocybin, but I ran across an interview
with Paul Stammon and UH and Joe Rogan. In the interview,
Paul Stamits, he talked about this combination that he uses
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with psilocybin with lions, main mushrooms and nyacin. So I
started using that stack, and once I started using the stack,
I started feeling so much better, Like my mental clarity
came back. I felt as if like I started to
really turn the corner mentally speaking, even with my train.
I felt like I can finally get to the openings
that I was seeing that I couldn't before when I
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felt like I was fading out. So once I started
to dive into the whole mushroom aspect, I really got
into functional mushrooms. Around the same time I that Jake Plumber, well,
function philocybin not legal yet, No, it's not, and functional
mushrooms are yeah yeah yeah so so yeah. So the
difference with the functional mushrooms in the psilocybin is, you know,
(04:35):
like you said, function psilocybin is the magic mushrooms, but
the people here about what you're saying, mushrooms where you
can and just for for transparency with people here, I
have done psilocybin mushroom journeys with therapists that have gotten
me to unlock things that I have spackled over in
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childhood and just things that it has opened me up.
So this is not for me to say, hey, you
go do mushrooms. Not this is that was my choice
and my darkness is so deep and painful for me,
I am willing to push the limits and try to
do what I can to see some blue. So you know,
so this is why I am kind of fascinated here.
It didn't work for me, doesn't mean it can work
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for somebody else, but it did help me, so go
keep going. Yeah, So so it helped me out tremendously,
Like it was like one of those things that kind
of removed a lot of the fog. But you know,
I really started to lean them more of the functional
mushroom aspect of it, because the functional mushrooms are legal,
but they have such tremendous effect to you know, what
are some of those called the functional emotions. So you
have the Turkey tale, which is like gut health, and
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that's really good for people who was like having cancer
where anybody takes antibiotics because it feeds the natural gut
by the gut biome, and your gut, your gut is
your second brain. It's your second brain, right and and
it's in your immune system. So having a healthy gut.
It helps you stay healthy with you know, eighty five,
same with your immunity. So it's good to have a
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huge tincture that you can use Turkey Tale for the
for that. Then you have the Lions Main. The Lions
Main is for cognitive function, and it's you know, it's
really really good for kind of uh clearing out your cognition,
but even just kind of focused in concentration to really
good for that. Then you have the Court of Steps.
It was good for respiratory health, and uh, then you
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have the Ratio, which is good for like the overall
body type health. So Jake and I we were on
the same program because Jake was still coming from his
whole football thing and he was still trying to find
something to kind of help him get out of the
fog as well too, and we both kind of started
taking these functional mushrooms. Then once we met, you know,
we were kind of you know, on the same journey,
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and we've we've done a few journeys together and we
did off a really close friendship. We met through a
guy named Dale Joudy out of Denver, one of our
good friends who kind of showed me the game with
the mushroom, and uh, when we talked about what these
mushrooms have done for us, you know, we're like, you know,
we gotta be able to get this back to people.
We gotta be able to find a way to kind
of pack yourself and get back to people. We tried
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other mushrooms on the market, but we felt like there
was something missing, so we came with our own brand,
which is called Umbo. And you know, with Umbo, so
the umbo is the top of the mushroom, So you
have the mushroom capital a little top of a little
little bump that's called an embow. So that's what that's
what we named our confidence. Real quickly, when you say
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you guys are in the fog, yeah, wasn't fogged from
head injuries. There was a fog of man, I don't
I don't know want to do next with my career.
You know, for me, it was it was a little
bit of both. You know, only can speak for myself,
but uh, it was the fog from kind of head injuries,
but also more or less, you know, just that transition.
That transition for me was really hard because I didn't
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go out the way that I wanted to do. And
you know, I'm such a competitor and I wanted to
be able to to leave the sport on my terms,
you know. And I felt as leaving the UFC the
way that I did, losing five fights in a row,
it just wasn't me and it didn't represent the legacy
that I thought that I had, So it really bothered me.
You know. I struggle for a while to really find
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my place, you know, in the next phase of my life,
and I really wanted to understand what that phase looked like.
So for me, it was I think it's a big
problem that. Look, nobody leaves their sport. It's very rare,
I should say, people leave the sport the way they
want to. Unless you're like Barry Sanders, You're like, I'm
out on top, right, nobody really does that. You're an athlete,
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you're a warrior, so you're gonna hold on and bribe
that shield as long as you can. And I do
think that's a huge problem with a lot of our
athletes is then comparing themselves to what they used to
be instead of appreciating what you will have done the
height of your career. Absolutely absolutely, and that's something that
that's one of those lessons Jay that you know, I
had to really dig deep myself and I had to
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really just you know, have some some some journey, some
of the psychedelic journeys that you talked about to kind
of really get to the heart of the question and
really uncover some of the things that I was afraid
to look at, some of the things I was afraid
admit to myself. Started there, and once I was able
to start there just being honest with myself, I was
able to start to heal in some of the ways
and really started to get perspective on things I didn't
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have perspective on, Like you, you're a world champion. Nobody
can take that from you, but you're never not going
to be a champion. You've done it? Are you able
to love yourself? Can see that? Yeah, I see it.
I definitely see it now. I definitely see it now.
But you know, during that time, you know, I gotta
be honest, it was it was a very hard phase
because it's not only just the way you see yourself,
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but it's the way that you feel other people see you,
you know, And that for me is like, you know,
your phone stops ringing as much. You know what I'm saying,
and people stop. You know, they treat you differently, even
even though they don't really mean to. They just kind
of treat you differently because there is no you know,
there's no there's no big caveat to really you know,
keeping that relationship with you like it was before. You know,
(09:53):
before they can you know, go and you know, go
to one of your fights or something like that. You know,
but then once that all ends, everything is the relationship
that you had, the way you would treat you ends,
and it can be very difficult to deal with, you know,
just the whole transition. Yeah, I know, and I look,
I've been around a lot of football players. That's the
issue is, you know, they were let in the club
before anybody else, and now all of a sudden, you know,
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those developt ropes don't open up, and it's hard for them,
it is, and it's it's it's a humbling experience. You know,
it's a truly humbling experience. But it's something that you
know when you're in, when you're in it and you're
living it, you don't ever see that it's gonna end.
You know, you just feel like it's just the way
that it is. From now when you get used to
that because you know, I was in the UFC for
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so many seasons that I was doing my thing and
I was on top for so long. So for me,
it just felt like I can just keep on doing
this until I decided that I wasn't ready anymore. But
you know, the end has a different way of coming
for everybody, and it doesn't necessarily mean it's the end,
but it's more of less of a transition, and uh,
you know, having to hit that transition for me but
was something I really didn't expect, but it was something
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that made me strong as a person to go through it.
And look, when I started m v P, a part
of it was for the athletes in there, and I
would tell all these football players and fighters, like, man,
you play in the NFL, is now who you are?
What's behind your rib kidge that got you to beat
out millions to play on this level. That's who the
funk you are that never goes away, that suddenly don't
just leave when the uniform comes off. And same for you, man,
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just because you lay your gloves down that cage doesn't
mean that fighter and you ever dies, He's always there.
He's always been there. But who reminds you of that
when the lights kind of start turning off. Yeah, yeah,
You're absolutely right, man, And that's something that you know,
like I had to take about like four years off
and I went on a lot of different you know,
internal journey, so really trying to get to the really
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heart of the matter. And once I was able to
start to get some kind of perspective, I felt that energy,
that love for the sport to start to come back.
So I started to train and I started to nurture it,
and I really started to just enjoy it from a
different perspective, you know. And once I was able to
enjoy it from a different perspective, that was healing in itself.
You know that that was my medicine, and that really
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helped me to come to terms with with the way
that things were and really get to see the beauty
of it all, you know what I'm saying, and not
just look at as like, oh, I didn't go the
way that I wanted to in the end, because at
the end of the day, I wouldn't have had it
gone any other way because I'm so happy with the
way I came out on the other side. But I
don't feel like I would have been able to come
out on the other side like this if I had
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not went through that that at that time, that rough period.
What could you tell other fighters now, like the younger
guys or ready athlete, based on what you've been through,
you know, I'll tell them to enjoy it, enjoy enjoy
every single minute of it, because you know, you're always
want to fight away from your last fight, and when
when it's over, it's over, you're gonna want to redo,
but there's no reduce. So the best thing to do is,
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you know, enjoy every single moment of it. Because I
look back on those times and I can still close
my eyes and I can still feel the feeling of
just you know what it feels like the moments right
before I'm about to walk onto the cage, or you know,
right when I'm in a hotel room sitting and getting
ready for a fight, and I have that feeling of
you know, fear and anxiety and just you know, uber excitement.
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All those feelings were were so much part of the
journey and made me feel alive and made just kind
of live from a different place. And when I think
back on those times, I think, like, man, I made
it a lot harder than I needed to make it
because I wasn't willing to just live in and enough.
You know, I didn't understand how how fragile that that
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that moment was, how how just a moment of time
that it was. You know, my mind played a trick
on me. And when when when I got on the
other side that I'm just like, man, what I wouldn't
give to be sick in the hotel room, getting ready
to throw up, not being able to sleep because I'm
getting ready to fight in a few hours. You know
that's excited, you know, so I would just tell them
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just to enjoy it. Man, this is all part of
the journey. Yeah, that's the part of Goldie in the
Rainbow to climb itself. Yeah, that's what the rainbow. That's it.
It's it's the journey. It's it's going it's facing yourself.
You know what I'm since saying, Jay, It's being able
to face yourself. And that's one thing that I truly
miss about the fight game when it when it was done,
Like it's that moment of having a full training camp
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and then having you know, your life still happening on
the outside, but then you gotta put it together for
one night. No matter if you wake up on that day,
feel on fight day and you feel like you don't
feel your best, you gotta put it together. And it
tells you a lot about yourself because you gotta come
from a place. And even in the fight when it
gets hard and you just look across the cage and
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the guy still has a lot of energy and you
just gave it all, but you refuse to quit that
right there. It meant more to me than having my
hand raised. That moment, that moment right before your opponent
breaks or when he breaks and you look in his
eyes and he's done that right there. To me, that
gets me higher than anything, you know, that made me.
That made me happier than anything that made me happier
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than raise my hand. And to me, that's what it
was all about. Yeah, that's again. That's when you can
take the ego out of having your hand raised or
not and just say, man, I'm gonna go in there
today and I'm gonna put all my hard work into
breaking somebody else. Yeah, and I'm just gonna make it
a horrible afternoon for that person across me. You take
that ego out, that makes you a dangerous fighter, absolutely, man,
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absolutely because at the end of the day, well, what
I what I've come to realize is that it was
never about me competing with anybody. It was always about
me competing with myself. It was always about me getting
and tapping into that part of myself that was gonna
allow me to perform my best because no matter who
I went against, it was always about me and posing
(15:42):
my will on them. And it's about me finding that
gear inside of myself to do so, finding that mindset.
It was all between the years and the times that
I lost, I just mentally wasn't bringing myself there. Now
you know, we're talking about mental issues. So anybody who fights,
we're up going in right right. And then you know
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that's problem with transition to is those that funked up
this doesn't suddenly just leave. You know, when the career
is over. It's still there. So now what are we
gonna find ourselves doing. The roommates on our head are
still fucking crazy right there, still sucking there. That's what
gets you to take three steps. So that's what gets
us to train over and over and put all those
hours in when nobody else is watching, and the injuries
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we sustained and the fucking you want to throw up
in a fucking sauna and man, and I say, well,
just because I've trained with you, not that I've done
it like you, but it's it is a craziness and
it's the same thing like you know these football players,
like man, you gotta be fucked up to put a
helmet on and just smash your head and airan donnald
all day long, like there's something off about you. I
am proud of being off in that way. I have
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found salace in knowing that I'm fucked up, but I'm
good with my funked up. This. When you saw that
you had brain injury, what did it make you? What
kind of emotions did that bring for you? You know,
it kind of brought, um, you know, a feeling of
of mortality to me. You know, I felt I felt
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very mortal, and as I say, like you know, when
I'm when as a fighter, I felt indestructible as time.
You know, I felt as if like things happened, but
they're not gonna happen to me. But when when I
when I see that I had a brain injury, and
I've seen that, you know, it's something that couldn't get
worse as I got older. It kind of scared me
because the worst thing and and one of my biggest
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fears was, you know, being trapped in my body, you know,
having having something like Muhammad Ali, you know, got arrest
his soul or somebody else who has those kind of
injuries where you know it manifesting them, just kind of
being a prisoner of the body until the end of days.
And I'm just like, man, I don't I don't want
that for myself. So it scared me, man, And I
was like, what am I gonna do with the rest
(17:47):
of my life? You know, I didn't. I didn't want
that for myself. So I really wanted to find some
way to heal myself in a natural way and something
I was going to uh be it be a life
changeing thing, a lifestyle changeing thing for me. Tell me
more about like just what you've learned about the the
mushroom industry, and because I'm starting to see a lot
of these companies stuff. Yeah, so, so the mushroom industry
(18:08):
is huge, you know, it is, right, It's where cannabis
was years ago, and it's gonna go beyond that because
of the benefits of these mushrooms. You know, these mushrooms
are are are amazing with kind of you know, healing
the neurological body, you know. And and when we look
at what we call old age, that's typically a lot
of neurogenesis, right, it's a neuropathy, you know, we get
(18:30):
the all zonomerss, we get you know, you know, the
Parking sans, and we get a bunch of things that
kind of ends up to just, uh, you know, neuropathy
because of the fact that we're we're ingesting these toxins,
where in a toxic environment with stress and all these
different things, and it takes a toll on a neurological body.
So these mushrooms do a great job of just rerouting
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the neurological body. But not only that, you know, you
talk about with the psilocybin. The psilocybin has has so
many benefits when it comes to healing your body from
a neurological standpoint, you know, um physically speaking to use
of physical therapy, but even from emotional standpoint and really
getting perspective. And I feel like that's one thing that
we all lack in a lot of different ways, you know,
because it takes time to get perspective. But in order
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to go through that, you know that time, you gotta
take a lot of bumps on the head until you
get that perspective. Well, when you do psilocybin, it's like
it takes you out of that that in close framework,
so then you can kind of sit back and then
you can see the whole entire picture. And then when
you come back the games that you learn it becomes
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your new true north because it's something that you realize
yourself versus going to a therapist and having them speak
until you over and over again about it, so you
start to believe in yourself. So there's so many benefits
with these mushrooms, and you know, with Umbo, you know,
we're really focusing on the functional mushroom because we believe
that the functional mushrooms have so much benefit, just like
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the psilocybin does. And you know, think about this, there's
only ten really truly known what mushrooms can do. So
this is the whole entire kingdom that we've kind of
you know, admitted out of our diet. But once we
start to really put it back into our diet and
we start to understand what the impact these mushrooms can do.
I think it's gonna be astounded. But I've been over
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the years, I've been prescribed like over thirty antidepressants and
anti anxieties and um, and they haven't worked. I had
one that worked in anti anxiety for about two weeks
and then my body just synthesizes things really fast and
then all of a sudden, it doesn't work. You know, me,
I'm like a rhino, Like man, it takes three times
the amount of things to work on me. So and
(20:37):
and this is to say, like man, whenever somebody I
have a friend who has an anti anxiety matter or
antidepressant that works for them, I'm I'm like jealous, Like
I'm happy for them, but I'm jealous, and like man,
I always want them to work. So I always want
people to yes, like if med's works, we like definitely
used meds, but I had to go out of the
box to try and find other ways. You know, I
(20:58):
knew a lot of our veterans we're using so salmon
and trying that, and and I heard more fighters us
into something like you know, I'm gonna give a shot.
And it did. It really got me to see, like
you're saying I got to take a step out and
see everything from childhood UM from a different lens and
then go and use what I learned there with my
(21:20):
therapist moving forward. But it also it it got me
to stop beating up on myself for why was a
certain way? It got mean to understand more why it
was a certain way. Once you able to do that,
it's you that see it right and and it's nothing
that nothing to anybody needs to convince you of it.
It becomes a true north for you and a true
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understanding for you. You know. One of the biggest tools
that I used that one of the medicines that I
did UM you know I've I've you know done Ayahuaska
journeys and things like that. It was a five M
e O d mt dyeah that the toad for me
that to me was was one that truly UM was
was the most actful for me because it truly UH
(22:03):
allowed me to have a perspective all myself and on
all of this around me, which I didn't even have before.
So when I came back into the physical I I
no longer seemed like the same way. It was almost
as if like did you die during your oh I died. Yeah,
I definitely, Yeah, you're not literally dying. You you think
(22:27):
you've died, And yeah, I didn't die, but I'll tell
you my experience. But when I had my experience, you know,
it was just kind of you know, uh it was
it was right when I was, you know, thinking about
whether I should retire or whether I should go on
with the rest of my career. So I needed some answers,
and uh, when I did this medicine, it really, um
(22:48):
it blew me out of my socks, like to the
point where, you know, right out the gate, I'm just like, oh,
I felt like, oh man, I killed myself. But then no,
sooner than I had that thought, I then had a
knowing this kind of tell me that you've done this
millions of times, You've done as colendars of time. This
is what you are. And then I had like this
beautiful feeling of just this connectedness and it's it's truly
(23:12):
something to be hold and not to be told, because
it's there's really no words for it. Right there. It's
a place where there's there's really no words that can
can truly describe the difference between you know, this reality
and a reality and which we are truly a part
of you know that that's that's that's that's part of
(23:33):
this collective and which connects you and I and every
single sentient and every single thing in existence altogether. It's
not legal America. You gotta go elsewhere. I've gone elsewhere.
But so my experience with d MT it's actually where
the my term the great came from. So I did this,
and people it's a ten minute trip, right that, that's it,
unless and some people throw up like I didn't. I'm
(23:56):
afraid to throw up during anything and purds because when
my love asked for a couple of years ago, you know,
and you know, and I almost died from from that.
I'm just not willing to have that happened to me again.
So but what happened was like I do this trip,
and man, I go through this dark maze of this
gray this gray maze, and going through the gray maize,
(24:18):
going through the gray maids, going through this gray made
and all of a sudden, bom, I come in and
I feel like I'm in heaven, and I feel and
I see like the most beautiful kaleidoscope colors like you
could ever see, and I start smiling from ear to
ear like where it hurts to smile that much, and
the therapist is with me, she's giggling because of my
(24:40):
goofy has smile, but how much I'm smiling. And then
I started to cry and she said, what are you crying?
But I said, well, I finally felt what it was
like to be happy, and I said, this was my life.
I've been through all this gray. My whole life is
that gray. And then I felt, for the first time
in my life, I felt that lou and I saw
(25:01):
that blue, and I felt the way I'm supposed to feel.
But then I felt bad for that guy who only
gets to live in that gray. And that's why I
started crying. Yeah, that's deep, that's that's that's so deep
because when I when I came back to I was
crying as well too. You know, for me, it was
like I just couldn't believe that I forgot. I couldn't
believe I forgot what what I'm true, what I truly am.
(25:23):
Just that realization and that understanding of just how hard
I've I've made life and I didn't really need to
make it that hard. The understanding of just of what
I am and what this truly is. It was such
a freeing thing for me that allowed me to put
a lot of the fear that I had down, a
lot of the baggage that I doubt, the emotional baggage
(25:45):
that I had, allowed me to put it down, and
allowed me to just um live from a different place.
Like if you wanted the pression comes out, I'm gonna
try it. Like I'm not gonna stop working on myself,
the same way I won't stop working on myself physically.
I'm not gonna stop work to myself. Between years. It's
easier for me for gains physically than it is between
my ears. You can really quantify the gains physically speaking,
(26:08):
but it's really hard to quantify the gains uh mentally
in between the years. And one thing that I've started
to do it kind of helped me, you know, get
past it. And you know, I started to to write
right down. I start to really write down and really
start to to read my words out of journal Yeah.
I started to journaling and that helps me out a lot,
because there's some things that you you can't tell people right,
(26:31):
or you don't want to tell people, or you don't
know how to put it in words. You you ever
really worked it out yet in your mind to really
put it in words and even just come there's some
things you just want to keep to yourself. So fighting
and finding a way to write these things down, write
my thoughts out, just allowing me to just kind of
have that emotional diarrhea on on paying and paper. It
has been such a healing thing for because then now
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I can go back and I can read it, and
then off of reading it, I can then start to
you know, start start to have a different look at myself.
I can get perspective, right, I can get perspective on
what I wrote down and think, Okay, well where was
I at emotionally when I was writing it down? So
it is it has been a really good tool for
(27:13):
me to use to kind of get perspective on myself.
But even just kind of find some way to emotionally
vent without having to tell somebody. I want every dude
Ansor to hear this and realize, these are two bad
motherfuckers who were talking about crying, talking about our emotions,
talking about our feelings. If we could do that, then
so could everybody else. I do want us to pave
(27:35):
the way for others in this way. The more dudes
could start talking about their ship, the more dudes will
not be so apt to put a revolver in their mouth.
You know that that's the problem when when we talk
about this kind of masculinity that that we've all agreed
to without even agreed to in society, that you know,
we're gonna be a man that doesn't really show an
(27:57):
emotions and a man that you know who does emotions.
This week and all these different things that we've come
to know that really made us feel as if like
we we can't be vulnerable with ourselves. You know, it
felt like at one point in my life, like I
felt like the tear ducts just dried up, like I
just couldn't cry, and also emotionally constipated. I just I
didn't know how to feel. I didn't I really didn't
(28:20):
know how to feel a lot of times, and I
would do things just to see if I could feel,
Like you know what I'm saying, Like I I wanted
to feel something, but I really I couldn't feel anything
because I've I've stuffed those feelings, and I stuffed those
feelings for so long to the point where I didn't
know how to express it anymore. I didn't know how
to let it out anymore. But when I finally was
(28:41):
able to let it out, I'm like, it felt so good,
and it really showed me that that's where I need
to live from in order to be my best meat.
That's the place where I need to live from. Another thing,
I write about my book to get people through the
grays laughter, And there's no way I have reshot my
shows about him making me laugh my ass off and
(29:03):
you all laugh with this story. So he has this
next to a neighbor, right, it's an old Jewish man
who lives across the street in Boca, and rashot, I'm
gonna let you tell the world here and let us
laugh about your first interaction with Ira across the street. Yeah.
So when I first moved, I lived across the street
from this old guy, and it's like a retirement home
(29:24):
a lot of places, you know, And I lived in
this gated community. So I have a new car and
I leave the drive that my garage shore open. I
go in the house and my girl comes out in
the house and say, hey, there's there's some guy in
our drive in our in our garage. I'm like, wait what,
So I go and there sure is this guy looking
(29:45):
at my car and he's like just inspecting it, and
you're just like, you know, uh, what'd she get you for?
And I was like, what do you mean, well with
with the car cost? Shot? And I was like, oh,
I told him with the price of car, no, not mad.
And then he said, she looks like she goes, she
goes fast. How how fast she get her? And I
(30:05):
was like, I got a pretty fast. Oh you know,
I probably can do a little bit better, you know,
like you should reach you and I used to, you know,
get on it. And I'm like okay. So he always
comes with this like he never leaves right the right way.
He's just like all right and just walks off. One
time he came in. I got a new chandelier. And
then he comes and he looks at the chandelier and
(30:26):
he's just like, wow, she's she's a beauty. You can
see my chandelier from the street. It's like you She's like, wow,
she's she's a beauty. My uh my wife, she she
likes this chandelier. I was like, oh man, that's cool.
Well thanks to you. Now, I uh, I have to
go get a new one. And he just walked off
(30:48):
one time. No, no, till the first time you met him, oh,
the first time, the last time, oh the first time,
the first time I met him. He comes to the
house and he says, uh, so, uh, you're the colored boxer.
And I don't even flinch at the fact that he
said color. I'm just like, I'm like, no, I don't,
I don't box, I just do I just glanced over
(31:09):
the color apart and then he says, M M may,
which which which M may? And I was like, well,
you know it's in the cage where you're fighting. He's like, oh, oh,
you're you're one of those guys. Huh huh. Well to
each their own, and he just walked off of neighborhood.
My brother, I love you, man. Tell everybody what the
(31:30):
website is to go up. You want to get some
of these are functional mushrooms. Go to get humble dot
com and you can put in rashot fifteen and get
fifteen per cent off, so let the people know who
sent you. I'm putting in yeah, but yeah, guys, go
check it out. Functional mushrooms. It's the best thing to
(31:52):
heal you're neurological body, make you feel good and uh,
and previously quality to be passionate about. Man, I'm you
know again every one of my guys retire as I
worry because that transition sucks. Right, there's no guide book
for transition. It fucking sucks. So I love you to
see you found something to be passionate about, brother, and folks,
if you haven't gotten my book, also here it's a
breakable How I turned my depression anxiety and the motivation
(32:14):
you can too. And you know there's chapters in there
about having great teammates. Uh. And Rashot certainly is one
of my best teammates E ever had in my life. Jay,
I love you, man, I appreciate brother, appreciate you man,
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