Dan Beyer and Aaron Torres Live Reaction to Bills Loss & Much More

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dot com. The way tire buying should be Aaron Torres
on the seat of George Weister today. How are you
on this Sunday erin, Dan Buyer, I'm doing very well,
as you said, a very competitive game. I was doing
my show last night during the Philly Giants games, so
it's fun to have a game that looks like it
could come down to the wire the snow Buffalo. It

(00:41):
just feels right, Dan, It just feels right. That is
interesting because I think that there is this premise that
this is awesome. This look at the conditions, look at
these teams. Honestly, I don't like it at all. I
think that we've put a governor on the Bengals and
Bill's offense, Like I know, like next week wouldn't be
ideal if the Bills end up winning this game, and

(01:03):
you have a neutral site scenario in Atlanta, but you
would not have any conditions there to slow down Josh
Allen or Patrick Mahomes. Maybe the only thing that slid
on Mahomes is the high ankle sprain that he has.
But I thought about this when I saw the conditions today.
I'm like, oh, that looks cool. And then I thought, man,
are we really going to see the Bengals and Bills

(01:25):
at their absolute best? And I don't think we are.
I I know it's a great thing to be like, Oh,
I love the snow, and there there are people in
the Midwest who are being pelted right now with the
white stuff. So the more they see, if it, the
worst it probably gets. I'm not a fan of this.
I don't think that we're seeing the Bills and Bengals
at their absolute best. It's funny. A buddy of mine,
Barrett Sale, who works for bleacher uh CBS sports excuse me.

(01:48):
He has this famous tweet that he always puts out
in a moment like this, and he put it out
late yesterday. He said, reminder, thirty seven degrees with a
wintry mix is in football weather football weather sixty five
sunny and calm. So there is definitely a percentage of
fans that feel like, uh, that feel the way that

(02:08):
you do. Dan, I guess what I would say is
one thing that I love about football, The entire sport
is about overcoming adversity, right, the physical adversity, the mental adversity.
You're tired, you're weak, you're whatever, And so I have
no problem if you're just throwing another element into this
and and it does hurt the game, but it doesn't,
like fundamentally alter I guess it maybe does. It feels

(02:31):
different than like say baseball, though, where it's like, okay,
like you can't even throw the baseball, you can't even
sweat whatever the thing is. So I personally like and
have no problem with the winter weather. Maybe it's because
you know, I'm a tough Northeasterner from Connecticut and I
played football and conditions like this back in my day.
Nobody ever canceled their postponed a game for a little
snow flurry. But I understand those that feel differently, But

(02:54):
I like the weather person this is it's just to me.
And in watching the Bengals convert another third down their
fifth of the game, as they are now knocking on
the door for another score. Bengales up seven. As you
heard Monsey say, now there's two minutes left to go
on the third quarter in the Bengal setting up shop
first in goal from the Buffalo Bills five yard line.

(03:16):
It's just to me, is you know, it's it's tough
enough to deal with the playoff expectations and what we
have and and the and the expectations that the Bills
UH fans have and people that have of the Bills.
It's interesting because I think that there was a lot
of Bills love, not on not only from the Damar

(03:37):
Hamlin thing erin, but just because of of them being Buffalo,
of Bill's mafia, of Josh Allen, and I think in
a way that we have we haven't really analyzed Buffalo
as as we should have, like when you look back
at their at their season and who they are. Their

(03:58):
most memorable games this year were a lost to the
Dolphins when they completely played I'll played Miami but lost,
had a lead against the Vikings only to see the
Vikings make this miraculous comeback and end up beating them
the Thanksgiving Day a game against the Lions. Remember that
that when yeah, they needed a field goal to to win.

(04:19):
Like the dominant Buffalo Bills that we saw in Week
one against the Rams and then the next week against
the Titans, those Buffalo Bills are a long way away.
Those those that Bills team is not anywhere close to
where this Buffalo Bills team is. And and I and
I feel like the only chance Buffalo actually had today

(04:41):
in in a game where they were favored, was for
Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs and Gabe Davis to get
into that shoot out and just outscore Cincinnati. These conditions
actually favor the Bengals in a way where you have
a shorthanded offensive line, So guess what, maybe we can
run the ball a little bit more. We're not dropping
back forty and fifty times and the Bills are pinning

(05:01):
their ears back. It's narrowed that. And the Bills have
just played they've played close games, haven't been the dominant
team that we have seen. And when they have been dominant,
they've been the one scoring the points. And this hampers them.
And it's just like, there's there's a there's a quarter
left in this game right now, and I know Cincinnati's
knocking on the door. To make it two scores. I
don't see anyway Buffalo comes back in this game. I
just with with everything that's that's been their season with

(05:25):
these conditions right now, I just think that we are
on the verge of seeing a rematch of last year's
NFC championship game. Well, and it brings up an interesting
question one. I mean, I can absolutely see the scenario
because of the conditions. I mean, Joe Barrow could fumble
here on the one yard line and and it's still
a one score game. I don't think he's going to,
but I could. It brings up an interesting conversation Jason
and I. Jason Martin and I on Saturday Night had

(05:45):
which is I understand that this is a weird thing,
right because the Bengals are the reigning a f C champs.
Um it is a scenario where obviously they are a
good team, they're not at full strength, but they still
have one of the the elite quarterbacks in the league.
I bring it up because I said to Jason, I said,

(06:06):
this has to be considered a disappointing season if you're
the Buffalo Bills, if you don't make it out of
this round. And I think we both kind of agreed
on it because it's one of those weird things. And Dan,
I actually remember filling in with you at some point
during the summer um and talking about this very topic.
Is I understood why the Bills were the favorites going
into the season, but I also remember telling you, I said,

(06:26):
I don't ever remember a team that's actually literally accomplished
less than the Buffalo Bills that are that are given
as much praise as they are. This is a team
that has never won a Super Bowl, has this core?
I mean, obviously the organization has, but this core has
never won a super Bowl. They've never made a super Bowl,
and the one a f C Championship game they got
absolutely blown out. And now I understand that last year

(06:48):
in this round, uh, they played an all time classic
and they were thirteen seconds away from going to the
a f C Championship Game. But it doesn't change the
fact that Casey did win that game. And so if
you don't win this game with this group, this is
now like you're four with this core group of players.
I think this has to be considered a catastrophic disappointment
of a season, even though the Bengals are of course

(07:08):
a really talented team that is again the reigning a
f C champs. You know what ends up happening. And
you're younger than I am, so I don't know. Do
you remember the four straight Bills Super Bowls? I don't know. Yeah,
I remember some, but not not vivid details there. There
there was this sense and even in documentaries that you'll
see that that are out now about the Bills team.

(07:30):
I think there was a thirty for thirty about it
of like the fourth time they went to the Super
Bowl and this was gonna be the second of the
back to back when they lost to the Dallas Cowboys,
there was just there was no excitement, like I think
even Buffalo didn't want to go, like you know, like
their fans because they just didn't want to lose again.

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And Jim Kelly even said in that Super Bowl in
Super Bowl because they went to halftime and I think
they were winning at that at that point, but it
was maybe like ten to three. I think they were done.
Like it was spent. It was over. And so when
you have those feelings and I know that they're thirty
years ago, but for you know, a guy like me

(08:10):
who grew up and then that's the prime like of
of when you're a teenager and you're loving football and
everything's great, that is the prime time of it. Like
you hearken back to that, and that starts to sink in. Now.
So to your point of like what what have they accomplished?
Is very very fair and it is a true criticism.
And not only that, Aaron, you now add the element

(08:33):
of now, what's going to happen to us? So now
you're adding an extra layer of my goodness, are we
just are we just jinx? Are we cursed? Are we
never to win a super Bowl? Or go back or
get this? You know, this monkey off of our back?
And it was like that with the playoff drought that
they had, like we even forget like the Music City
miracle happened to the Bills, Like that's another one that

(08:56):
Bills fans can point to and be like, well that
happened to us like this, And that's a layer that
comes onto it. So I think your point is is
very fair. And then now when you add on to
this of like the expectations of thirty years ago and
the thought process that we're cursed and this isn't gonna happen,
it's gonna even make it that much more difficult for
Buffalo down the line. And this is a real thing

(09:18):
that we could be witnessing right before our eyes. Yeah,
I don't know if people of a certain age, like
you know, put all of that together. I'm just looking
at this specific group as a definitive underachiever. And it's
not saying and I'm not one of those like if
you don't do it now, you'll never do it. But
I mean, come on, now, favorites in this, in this,

(09:39):
you know, favorites coming into the season, And I know
von Miller got hurt, and I get that it has
not been easy, but man, you know this game is
at home, and I don't I know, you kind of
laid out the the scenario where the snow actually helps
Cincinnati more that does Buffalo. I don't care you're at home.
This is a huge game that you're the two seed. Um,
you know you're plaining late that you should be the one. Like,

(10:02):
there's just no excuses to me. And so I get
that there's probably some historical things that their fans are
thinking about. I don't know that most people necessarily associate
completely disagree with you. Yeah, and and and here's the
fact let's let's be honest. We're from a bit of
different generations. I mean, because I think that you're ready

(10:24):
to go see look at what Pat Mahomes is and
Josh Allen is now fourth on my rankings. I don't
think that's what we get. We get to like, like
there's a bigger picture to this of of of their expectations.
And I think we still want to sit there and
put guys in and put guys in their place. And
I don't think that like we weren't doing that thirty

(10:46):
years ago. During this time, like we know, there was
never ever a conversation that said, you know what, Jim
Kelly just isn't one of the all time greats. We've
had this conversation before. That's not who I am, and
that's not what I'm saying. I just think this specific group,
this was the year that you were out of excuses,
uh two years ago, Josh Allen, he's young, he's this,

(11:09):
he's that. Last year, Arrowhead, you're on the brink. Well,
this year you come back, you're the favorites in the preseason,
you win the division. Yes, you had a major injury
to Vaughan Miller, but to your point, Dan, And this
is the point that we started a segment with. This
hasn't been the same team the last five, six, seven
weeks whatever it's been, so I we I mean, we
could disagree on the semantics, but let me ask you.
Is this season a failure if you can't get out

(11:31):
of the divisional round at home? Well? Yeah, I mean,
I I think it's I think it's a failure for them.
I think whoever loses next week, if the Bills don't advance,
if it's the Bengals are the Chiefs, is a failure
for them? You think it's a failure. You think if
if Cincinnati goes to k C without three starting offensive
linemen they lose that seasons of failure? Well yeah, I
mean they went to the super Bowl last year, Like

(11:52):
I think that their goal is to go back and
actually win the Super Bowl. I don't think that they're
racking up a f C championship up here, prances and
and they're going to be satisfied with that. I think
there are very few teams that can be satisfied like
the Bengals last year probably could be satisfied with that
from where they were and where they came from. It's

(12:13):
probably an instance where you know what, they did lose
the Super Bowl even though they had the football at
the fifty yard line, you know, with a chance to
win the game. Looking back in hindsight, that's probably a game,
you know, a season that you look back and say,
all right, but to not like to get that far
to get to the a f C Championship game and
then maybe lose that game and not be able to
cash in. Yeah, I would think that that's a disappointment. Well,

(12:35):
I mean, I think you're disappointed because if you've gone
to the Super Bowl, you want to get back. But
I also think there are mitigating factors that kind of
keep things from from you know, like keep you from
reaching your ultimate success, right, Like, yeah, the Rams were
a really disappointing team this year, but they also had
their star quarterback go out early in the year. Cooper
Cup goes out, you know, with seven eight weeks left

(12:56):
in the season. Um, Aaron Donald has his situation and
so like, yes, it's a disappointment, but they're mitigating factors.
I think with the Bengals, like, as you said, the
Bengals aren't even favorite in this game. I think if
you can survive this round, get to Arrowhead. If you
don't survive Arrowhead, um, I still think you can look
up and say we probably got just about the most
out of this team that we could. Now. One thing

(13:18):
that I know we'll talk about over the next three hours.
Patrick Mahomes, is he a d percent. That's a different variable.
If he sprains his ankle again and can't walk after
the first quarter and you still lose the game, then
that's different. But to me, I think the Bengals this
feels like about where they're supposed to be, where their
season is supposed to end. Um And you know, and

(13:39):
you can even go back to last week where they
kind of essentially needed a miracle play from Sam Hubbard
to to to survive Baltimore. So whereas Buffalo. Again, maybe
I'm being too tough on them, I don't know, but
I think part of this goes back to how we
started the segment. Dan Is, this hasn't been the team
for the same team for the last six seven weeks.
I do think it is a colossal disappointment if you
can't get out of the jin round, divisional round, even

(14:01):
if it is against a good Cincinnati team. On taking
it with the Bengals angle though, like I also think
that maybe we didn't appreciate how good the Bengals were.
And in regard to that, I state they beat Kansas City.
So so the team you know that they're gonna maybe
play next year is by the way, Joe Mixon got

(14:22):
into the end zone. So it's twenty four to ten.
Extra point is good. Uh, it was a reviewed play
at the goal line while Aaron and I were going
back and forth, they reviewed, mixing did get into the
end zone. So it's twenty to ten Cincinnati leading Buffalo.
But it is a team that beat the Chiefs, uh,
you know, earlier this season, so they have have that.
And in the little bit that they did play against

(14:42):
the Bills before the Damar Hamlin injury, they were up
seven to three and looking like the offense was maybe
moving towards another score. And you know, and and and
so much was made about this game being played in
Buffalo and how it was unfair to Cincinnati considering of
what could have happened in that outcome. Now that we
see that, now you say to yourself, man, and that

(15:04):
you know, day after New Year's game, Yeah, maybe Sincinnati
was on their way to winning that game and maybe
they were the better team. So maybe we haven't given Cincinnati,
you know, enough credit for what they have done because
it hasn't necessarily have been pretty for them. But it
seems like we've kind of maybe gone head over heels
at times with the Bills. We'll not even remembering what
the Bengals have done at times this season. That part

(15:24):
really quickly, I will say, I agree with I think
we've gone head over heels for the Bills and we
probably haven't acknowledged, um, just everything that the Bengals have done.
And again, I know you're coming off of a Super
Bowl appearance, but there have been kind of speed bumps
and row bumps along the way. And I give him
credit because they're a quarter away now from going to
a second straight an FC Championship game. He's hereon Tores.

(15:45):
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(16:49):
point was good, and now the Bengals have the football
back up to ten on the Buffalo Bills with twelve
forty eight left to go. Uh, it is snowstorm in Buffalo.
Joe Burrow still throwing for two two yards and two
touchdowns and now we have a pass interference play that's
gonna set the Bengals up inside the ten yard line.
And to make matters worse, Aaron Uh the heat Bills

(17:14):
in trying to defend Tee Higgins on the play, Jordan
Poyer and Trudavious White collided and hit each other, knocking
them both um down to the ground and injured. So
not only is there a fourteen point deficit that's not
going to set up the Bengals first in goal, You've
not had one, but two of your starting star defensive

(17:36):
players be knocked out on the same play. That's gonna
set the Bengals up for possibly another score. Yeah. I
was gonna say its unbelievable. A couple of things. One,
I have a Joe Burrow thing I want to run
by you when this game goes final. If they are
to hold on, we'll save that one. Well that's what
we call it tease on on this on this show.
But two, I was gonna say something about Buffalo. I

(17:57):
can't remember what I was gonna say, but man, like,
this is this is bad. This is bad and whether
it is the historical and it's funny, Dan, you and
I were at the Georgia National Championship game where Georgia
for years was one of those programs, if you will,
that couldn't get over the hump, that always believed the
worst was gonna happen. Whether that's in the players minds,
the fans minds, whatever, this is bad. It's one thing

(18:18):
to lose to a good Bengals team. You start losing
by two touchdowns, you get punked at the line of
scrimmage with three starters out on the offensive line. This
is about a worst case scenario for the Bills right now.
It really is. And this is this again gets back
to who Buffalo is because I think if we get

(18:38):
wrapped up in and everything that is the Bills, because honestly,
it's an awesome story. It's an awesome story for the
for the NFL, they're very you know, Buffalo. Buffalo isn't
New York. Buffalo isn't l a. You know, we just
talked ten minutes ago about the the history of Buffalo
and the misery of the four Super Bowls. Bill mafia,

(19:01):
you know, obviously has their identity. And then you have
a you know, a guy like Josh Allen who some love,
some didn't love, and he's ended up living up to
so many of the uh, you know, expectations that that
those had for him and proved some of the doubters wrong.
But there's also this point, Aaron, of how good are

(19:22):
they really? Like is it just Josh Allen, because that's
what it seems like. The Bengals today have not hit
a three and out, So there there hasn't been a
scenario where the Bill's defense said, you know what, we
got you offense because the conditions are bad, We're going
to get a stop for you guys. We're gonna get
a turnover. It has not happened. And I don't just

(19:43):
think it's the absence of von Miller, which I do
think is a big deal obviously when you're putting pressure
on a quarterback, But I don't know how good that
they don't run the ball that well and when they
do it's usually Josh Allen doing the most of it.
Like I think that there is you know, there's a
real question of like how good of an overall team
Buffalo really is. Maybe that's even more of a tip

(20:05):
of the captain Josh Allen to get him here, But
there has been not one situation in this game. Heck,
even in the Dolphins game, you could say where the
defense is stepped up and have done like anything hugely
you know that that could maybe change romantum momentum or
do something. It's almost like they're just a one man
show right now. Is yeah, And it is something I've
heard our buddy Collin cow Her talk about a lot,

(20:26):
and I've seen him send out a few tweets today,
But it does feel like it doesn't feel like there's
any like game plan that's been put together. And I'm
not XS and O's guy, and I don't claim to
be smarter than the guys that are paid millions to
do this, but like if I let me, let me
just ask you this dam simple kind of you know,
one two sentence answer. If I said, what is the
Bill's identity? What would you say? Yeah, that's it. It's

(20:52):
exactly right. And and like, by the way, sometimes you
kind of have that identity and it works like like
the chief's identity is kind of Patrick Mahomes is gonna
do two or three crazy things a year, but they
there's like a four year track record or two or
three crazy things a game and we're gonna get seventeen
points because of it. But there's like a four year
track record that that works. But most great teams in

(21:13):
any sport, at any level, they have an identity, and like, like,
I think the Bengals have an identity, and yeah, a
lot of it is Joe Burrow, but I don't know,
Like I look at the Bills and it really does
just feel like, hey, we have maybe the most physically
gifted quarterback in this league. Let's just go let them
do stuff and see what happens. And it's just it's
a weird deal. But I agree with you and you

(21:36):
kind of I led you to water and you you
picked up right where I thought you might, which is
it doesn't feel like they have a real identity other
than let Josh Allen figure it out on the fly.
Jump Mixing today leads the Bengals and rushing with seventeen
carries for nine yards and a touchdown. Josh Allen leads
the Bills today in rushing with seven carries for twenty
yards of a touchdown. Like there's you know, like there's

(21:57):
you know, easier passing gaming. He'sier unning game, and your
defense now can't get stops and maybe your passing game
isn't doing as well as it should. I mean, you know,
in the point of of trying to to look at
really where the Bills are and where Josh Allen is.
Joe Burrow has been able to figure things out in
this weather. And and I do think some of that

(22:19):
is the Bill's inability to get to Joe Burrow, and
I'll sell the Bill's inability to cover these guys. But
it is, yeah, it is they They right now seem
to be a one trick pony and and and it works.
I mean it works at times to the regular season.
But if you just go down their schedule and just
kind of look back at the games that they have
had and that they have played, you're gonna realize maybe

(22:42):
how incomplete of a team Buffalo was entering this contest.
He's Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Buyer, live from the Direct
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(23:03):
us the latest of what's going on not only in Buffalo,
but also an upset in college basketball. Sign No, I'm
excited to hear what Aaron thinks about that. But I'm
actually gonna tell you guys something. First, were we got
the Bills and the Bengals going on right now, and
then we've got the Cowboys on the forty nine ers. Obviously,
nobody has forgotten kicker Brett Maher and what he did

(23:25):
in the last game. No one know. Well. A reporter
for the Athletic in San Francisco just tweeted this about
twelve minutes ago. Brett Maher just missed a forty three
yard about twenty ft wide right after two earlier misses
from shorter distance. Then he made too, Then he missed
another wide right. This is in warmups. Yes, wow, So

(23:48):
right now in warmups you got you got sources on
the ground or what you know? Twitter? Yeah, Twitter, Twitter,
I know, I love it, I love it, and so
it's I just I want to say something to this.
I said this on Friday on the Network on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. I didn't think that Mars misses were

(24:08):
that who were as big of a deal as people
wanted to make out, because I felt like the misses
were the same. They were all missed to the rights.
And as someone who plays golf, you don't want a
two way miss that if you're missing left or right,
you if you're missing left and right, you have no
idea where to came right. You have no right side
of the fairway, left side of the fairway. The one

(24:30):
that Mayer missed the third time was just the pull hook,
and I'm like, okay, that was a little odd. But
the other ones we're all had fairly the same ball flight,
so I figured that it was maybe just a minor adjustment.
Now that you say this, I'm thinking my theory is
thrown up a window. We'll find out. We will find out.
I mean, it's got to be psychological at this point.

(24:51):
That sucks. It sucks, but the yips are real, and
hopefully maybe maybe he won't have as bad of again,
maybe he won't miss foreign or who knows. Guys, who knows.
We're gonna have to wait and see in about an hour.
But right now, the Bengals look like they're gonna beat
the Bills. Twenty seven to ten is the score. We're
down to the last ten minutes of the game. We'll
see how this one ends. Maybe a miracle is upon us.

(25:12):
We'll see, we'll see. But yes, major upset in college hoops.
Number one Houston lost to Temple fifty five. They had
a chance to win at the end, a couple of
chances and just could not get the ball in the basket.
Number three per Doo held on to beat Maryland and
number fifteen Yukonde cruise pass Butler no problems at all.
Eighty six fifty six was the final score my Clippers

(25:33):
one YEA against the Mavericks one twelve to nine eight
Khi Leonard actually played thirty points, nine rebounds. Luca done
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off SMU number eight in the country, storm the court,
and that's the last biggest one we've had. So it
feels great to be a Temple alum here in Los

(26:36):
Angeles as we knock off number one in the country.
I say it again, baby, the former number one Houston
Cougar says yes. Back to you guys, thank you, and
look at the throwback from Ethan Miller. That is very
very good. Congrats on the the upset win. We should
have a new number one in the A people tomorrow

(26:59):
were doing a poll today probably. I mean, we've got
some football playoffs. It's not in the preliminary rundown, but hey,
maybe we can find one. At some point. It looks
like the Bills may have just turned the football over
as Josh Allen was attempting a pass. This is gonna
be one of those close ones. Was the arm moving forward?
Is it an incomblee pass? Even if even if the

(27:21):
ball is moving forward, if the arm was not in
that position, it is still a fumble. So Mike Hilton
coming up from his safety position, forcing that uh, forcing
that fumble of of Josh Allen. So it is now
under review, but it is almost over. It's to ten
Cincinnati against Buffalo, ten minutes to go in that contest.

(27:46):
I do want to get your thoughts on last night's
You were on the air when the Giants fell to
the Eagles, and the Eagles walked on to the NFC
Championship where they'll host either the Niners or the Cowboys
next Sunday. Beau is now you look at the Giants
and you look forward. Daniel Jones is not under contract.
Quon Parkley is not under contract. Jones didn't really want

(28:08):
to talk about his contract situation last night, understandable in
what his future holds, but did say that he wants
to go back and you know, I know you guys
talked about it. Aaron and I don't know what the
temperature in the room, but when I ended up leaving
that game last night, I just kind of felt to myself,
I don't know if it was the greatest thing in
the world that maybe Daniel Jones had this sort of season,

(28:28):
because I I don't maybe maybe there are brighter days ahead,
but I think, like there are instances in the NFL
we sometimes you gotta be careful for what you wish
for and this maybe I look at the Seahawks for
an example. I don't know if it's great that they're
picking in the top five and now they think that
Gino Smith could be there guy, like maybe this is
the time where you do take a quarterback. And I

(28:49):
kind of wonder about the Giants as well, like are
you now going to be throwing a bunch of money
at Daniel Jones when you only have this one season
of success. It was a very interesting conversation we did
have last night, because I think Jason and I both agreed,
and at least I'll speak for myself is that it
was one it's great, it's great you got to the playoffs, right,
But but I think there's also a belief like it

(29:09):
does feel like Brian Dable got every ounce that you
could out of Daniel Jones, like like this isn't um.
You know, Trevor Lawrence with more natural gifts in year
two and and and you know, he was the consensus
number one pick, and everybody thought that that he could
have a moment in time like he has had over
the last four or five weeks, leading them to a
division title and a playoff win. Daniel Jones on the

(29:32):
other hand, Uh, this is now year four, obviously next
year will be year five, and you know he's gonna
be twenty six years old early next year, and it
just feels like this is the best version that you're
going to get of him. And so it's the weird
situation where you know, you could certainly do a lot worse.
Like to be clear, you know, just ask the team

(29:53):
across the city from you, the Jets or whoever you know,
the tech I can't even think off the top of
my head, the Colts, whoever. You could certainly do worse.
But also it feels like it's almost like you know
we talked about with a number of quarterbacks, is you
need everything to go right just to be in the
position that you worked yesterday. And then, oh, by the way,

(30:14):
you saw against a team that has an elite defensive front,
elite weapons on offense, uh, a quarterback that's better than yours,
it can get ugly really quick, and so um. You know,
obviously the franchise tag it feels like it's in place,
so that probably helps things. But it's the weird thing
where you could do a lot worse. But we also

(30:35):
kind of know Daniel Jones probably isn't the answer long term. Yeah, yeah,
that's this is this is where it's it's not as
simple as hey, is it Daniel Jones or is it
not Daniel Jones? Like it's really because it's really on
how much you have to pay. And that's where because

(30:57):
of his contract situation that makes the scenario even more difficult.
You obviously didn't pick up his fifth year options, so
now he is a free agent. If you use that
franchise tag, it's gonna cost you forty five million dollars
and that's a lot of money. That's a lot of
money for Daniel Jones, and that's a lot of money
just to find out do you have do you have

(31:18):
your quarterback or not? Like it's one thing that you know,
if you picked up the fifth year option and are
you know, paying him the million or whatever it is,
that that's one thing to be like, all right, we
can we can take that and then we can decide
and see if really he's our guy long term and
if we're gonna franchise him after that. But to do
that for that amount is tricky. That's why I think

(31:40):
that that I think that the Giants season Aaron and
in their defense, seemed to get better. Um the the
guys that they've had stepping up on the outside, you know,
Darius Slayton seemed to be the number one guy, and
they've missed on wide receivers. You know, Kenny Golladay signing
was was atrocious. If if you can get pieces there
at gives you more weapons, I just wouldn't want to

(32:02):
pay him forty five million dollars a year to find out,
you know. So that's why you like, if they could
get a short term deal done that pays him, you
know somewhere in that you know, thirty million dollar neighborhood,
I'd feel a lot more. I'd feel a lot better
about it if I were a Giants fan than than
even risking on the one year deal to pay him
forty five million dollars to see if he's actually worth it.

(32:23):
It is a weird, weird, weird situation there. And again,
I know you kind of frame this segment. I think
you're absolutely right. Is that sometimes having a degree of
success beyond your expect it seems like, oh, that's always
a good thing. It isn't always a good thing, right,
There were teams that lost in Week eighteen, or teams
that one in Week A teen that hurt the draft stock,
teams that you didn't want to win one. And this

(32:45):
feels like one of those scenarios where Brian Dable establishes Okay,
I am to some degree to QB Whisper. I mean,
we're talking about Josh Allen melting down. He looked a
lot better when Brian Dable was his o C. Daniel
Jones reaching his potential. But again, what more or can
you get out of Daniel Jones? I'm not sure and
if you can't, as you just laid out, it's going

(33:05):
to be very very expensive to bring him back, even
on a franchise. Take there is there is something to like,
like he's not Josh Allen, but the numbers you know
that he put up against the Vikings were very Josh
alan esk and with his running ability and his size,
you're just now wanting him to take the next step.
And I mean, hen you know, giants have a better
defense maybe than than what Buffalo has right now, at

(33:28):
least than in some of the names and what could be.
So there there there is that like blueprint and heck, yeah,
Brian Dable and and Joe Shane coming from you know,
from Buffalo, so you could see like there is a there,
there could be a plan for that, but it's yeah,
it's just it's just the price of it. We're down
to eight minutes in the a f C Divisional Showdown,
Bengals leading the Bills twenty seven to ten and the

(33:49):
Bills facing a fourth down. They are in Cincinnati territory,
but again running out of time down to the Bengals
sixteen yard line. Buffalo has just two time outs left
in this game as well. Should also be pointed out
that this Brett maher a warm up session in San
Francisco is becoming um quite the story as reporters are

(34:11):
just watching Mar do this left and right. And Tim
cowak Uh Kawakami, who covers uh the Bay area of
the Niners and Warriors and and has for years for
The Athletic, reported that Jerry Jones actually walked out into
the field after Brett Maher missed a couple of kicks.

(34:31):
So now you got Jerry in your ear. This is
I'll say this. I don't think it's gonna even come
down to a couple of Brett mar kicks today. I don't.
I think the forty Niners will roll and to sit
there and worry about the kicker. I just don't think
it's gonna matter. I'll just say I missed the old

(34:52):
Jerry Jones mid nineties. We just talk about the nineties
with the Bills. I missed the mid nineties. Jerry Jones
would just be like, you're out, we're finding somebody else. Well,
let's I don't know, like he used to have that
George Steinburner quality to him. I feel like where he
had a short fuse. Now it's just happy, go lucky.
You know, Jason Garrett gets fifteen years to figure it out.
I need old school Jerry Jones back. He's eron Torres.

(35:14):
I'm Dan Buyer. I actually think he's a lot more loyal.
Like to your point, he kept Jason Garrett, cap Wade
Phillips gave Dave Campbell the job one year. I think
he's more loyal, and maybe that's maybe part of the
Jerry Jones problem. Get eran on Twitter at Aaron Underscore Torres,
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(35:37):
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Bengals continually to the continue to lead the Bills seven
to ten with just under six minutes to go, and
Joe Mixon on a third and two run. It's gonna
be close. I thought maybe his knee was down short

(36:43):
of the line to gain, but the BEng goes up
twenty seven to ten on Buffalo. Not only that, Aaron,
the Bills are out of time out, they were out
of time outs two minutes ago. Like I can't, but
like this is it was weird. I don't know if
you're driving, if you're going so where and you're listening
to us, you can't see it on the screen, but

(37:04):
it is weird to look at the Buffalo graphic on
the screen and see none of the dashes underneath their
team name representing first downs, because yeah, they've already used
them all to try to stop the clockdown seventeen crazy
crazy day in Buffalo, and it was a first down.
So disappointing crazy day as well. By the way, we
were doing updates on the Twitter videos of um of

(37:28):
Brett Maher in the second game. It's worth noting a
video just surfaced of Robbie goldd Gould. However, you say
the name of the kicker of the forty niners. He
is kicking from the end zone purpose. I don't even
know how to describe it. He's to the right of
the goal post, back of the end zone, kicking and

(37:49):
hitting the upright I can't even describe it. Dan, I'm
just gonna tag you on this video so you can
see it yourself. Uh So, at the very least, it's
gonna be a kicking mismatch. It appears as though it's
going to be a kicking mismatch in uh in San
Francisco today. Can't speak for everything else but a kicking mismatch. Indeed. Oh,
I actually I just I brought it up. I saw
it as well. It's man, so he's basically just trying

(38:12):
to be straight on with it, right, just trying. It's
from right at the edge of the goat line that
the crossbar actually hovers over, but he's kicking from the
corner pylon. Uh that is that is accuracy. Again, I
don't think it's gonna come down to kickers today in
the Cowboys Niners game. I just I just don't see it.
The Jerry Jones coming out of the field and talking

(38:33):
to to Brett Mars now going to be talked about
and talked about for a while. And I'm sure people
are saying, like, man, why don't you just move on
from him? And I don't think that you could after
Monday's performance. I also think Aaron it's a lot to
ask if you were to sign Tristan Viscayano off the street,

(38:57):
put him on the practice squad, and then now you
put him in the game to be your kicker in
an NFC Divisional playoff game. And I think there's like
a lot of pressure with that and just move on
so quick. I think the Cowboys in short, what I'm
saying is they made the right move, and it's stifficult
to fire someone. I I had to let somebody go
this week. Yes, I had to fire our pool guy

(39:19):
this week. Okay, yes, yes, so, which I'll get into
later in the show. But it was, you know, like
I think, at some point, you know, you got to
think of the pressure if you do make the move,
what you've gotten. That's why I think the Cowboys didn't
make the move. When you said he had to fire somebody,
I was worried about our our update anchors. I was like,
they're they're great. No, no, not at all. They all

(39:39):
are great. They are magnificent, including Monty Melanos, who was
in for US today to live an update. At the
top of the hour, Tom is running out on the
Bills and the Niners and Cowboys coming up. He's aeron Torres.
I'm Dan Buyer. That's all next year on Fox Sports
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say up on Buffalo twenty seven to ten. Buffalo does

(40:21):
have the football back, but no time outs and again
down seventeen. Quite a tall order doing it in the snow,
wintry mix, white stuff all over the field. Bills running
game nonexistent, Bengals running game shortly present, Joe Burrow was great,
and Cincinnati for the second straight season will advance to
the a f C Championship Game and for the second

(40:43):
straight season they will go to Kansas City and face
the Chiefs in that championship game. Get Aaron on Twitter
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at Dan Buyer on Fox and I do just want
to touch on this and we're gonna touch on the
Bengals next hour as well on on what this win
means and how we look at the Bengals. But from
a Bill's perspective, Aaron, you and I last hour we're

(41:07):
talking about this, you think that there are some immediate
short term ramifications and in looking at Buffalo and what
this loss means and and really looking at who they
are as an organization, Well, I just think I don't know.
Like what I would say is this is that going
into the year, I thought it was a little weird,
but also like weirdly justified. I said it two things

(41:30):
gonna be true. They were the favorites going into the year,
and I felt like they probably should be. But I
also said, I don't ever remember a favorite that has
actually accomplished less than the Buffalo Bills. As I said,
this particular core of guys has never won a Super Bowl,
has never played in a Super Bowl, has been one
a f C Championship game two years ago at Arrowhead,

(41:51):
and got destroyed last year. Obviously, I know it was
an all time classic, but they didn't lose in the
divisional round. And so why I bring it up is
I just think that given the circumstances. You're at home.
I know the weather wasn't great, blah blah blah blah blah.
But you're at home. You're playing a Bengals team that
I would argue is more banged up than you. I
know you don't have Von Miller. That's not an excuse though.
This is football. Injuries happen. It's a game you gotta win.

(42:14):
And then you know, if if it's a weird thing
where you're in Atlanta and mahomes and it's indoors and whatever,
that's different if you lose there, in my opinion, to
a team that has been there a million times before.
But I think this is a colossal loss for the
Buffalo Bills. I really, really, really do. I'm not saying,
you know, Josh Allen delvar Rein and are you know
I and I know you and I have joked about

(42:37):
the people that need to contextualize everything, and this guy
is now number seven on my all time list because
he did that. And it's like, no. But I also
think that we can acknowledge that if you are the
preseason favorites and your best player is ready to go,
and you're at home in the divisional round. This is
a game that you gotta win. So I look at

(42:57):
where Buffalo is now and this is what's going to happen,
and I think it's I I look at it from
like the long term, you know aspect, and I think
where you've got guys like me and their forties, Um,
who remember what happened thirty years ago in the four
straight losses in the Super Bowl and we referenced the
Music City Miracle. The Buffalo Bills are becoming the Boston

(43:19):
Red Sox of the NFL. Like and I know Boston
won their World Series title in two thousand four, but
you want to talk about what is starting to look
like a cursed franchise. I mean like this is this
is another another opportunity where it was all there for them.
I mean it was. There were even adjustments made to
the NFL schedule because of you know what happened with

(43:42):
Damar Hamlin, where you know, there's some people who felt
that Buffalo shouldn't even have you know, shouldn't have gotten
home field, that Kansas City had the better winning percentage,
and that was the rules that were put in. So
there were even adjustments made that benefited them, but and
benefit the Bengals in the same breath. Like now, like,

(44:04):
if you're a Bills fan, you didn't forget those four
Super Bowl losses and now it's just gonna be on repeat,
like the playoff droute that they ended, you know what
was now what you know five six years ago? Like
that's that's like a distant memory, but that's put into
the the file cabinet of all of this misery of

(44:25):
being a Buffalo Bills fan. And when you're talking about,
you know, cursed franchises in the NFL. You know, you're
talking about the Cleveland Browns and the drive and the
fumble and how close it was for them to get
to the to the World Series. I think it's the
same for the Buffalo Bills. They're the cursed franchise in
the NFL now with losing this game against the Bengals,
and it dates back thirty years to the four straight

(44:46):
Super Bowl losses. It's something that they just can't shake
right now. And until they go to a Super Bowl
and win a Super Bowl, I think it's gonna hover
over them. Yeah, And and to go back to our
our one conversation, I guess what I would say is
I don't disagree that there are definitely a lot of fans,
and certainly fans of a generation that are probably you know,
thirty five to forty plus who do feel cursed. I

(45:08):
guess what I was trying to say is I don't
think that you can equate, certainly for the players in
the locker room, most of which aren't even old enough
to remember that four straight Super Bowls where you lose. Um,
but I always don't you don't you remember when the
Red Sox lost to the Yankees and Aaron freaking Boone. Yeah,
don't you remember that? Like you know, Paedromar, Like that's

(45:29):
that's the scar tissue. And I know that you don't
remember eighty six and the and the Red Sox and Mets.
But that's what ends up happening. Are these these scenarios
end up building up where you think it's your year.
And yeah, they don't remember the Babe Ruth trade in Boston,
But let me, can I jump in on that? Should
a Bills fan have felt like this is their year?

(45:51):
Not in August? But I mean, I'm talking the last
four or five weeks when, as you said, Dan, I mean,
you let the show by saying this ain't the Bills
of September and oct Over when they're playing Sunday Night Football,
they're up twenty four nothing or whatever against the Green
Bay Packers. Should they have felt like this is their year?
Or should they have felt like, you know what, we
have the talent, but we haven't seen that talent play

(46:12):
to its potential in five, six, seven weeks. I think
that that you have an expectation that you've got a
home playoff game, it's a winter remix that you would
you would have every reason to think that this is
going to be your day, and then it completely doesn't.
Like it's it's it's it's not a this isn't the

(46:35):
ball going through Buckner's legs sort of deal. But like
this was, this was set up in a way where
Buffalo with the you know, the awful scenario with the
Damar Hamlin and thank goodness, Damar Hamlin is alive and
at the at the game today that the NFL took
steps where you know, now, I think we'd have questions

(46:57):
if they would have won that game in Cincinnati any
a for how this how this played out today, But
the NFL took steps to ensure that the Bills wouldn't
have to go to Kansas City if there was an
a f C Championship game, which I know Bills fans
are like, why don't we always have to go to
Kansas City because it seems like they're always going to
Kansas City, and I think actually they are again next season.
It's just the fact that it's just you file it away.

(47:20):
It's another disappointing loss, like last year's thirteen second to
backle that's the ball through Buckner's legs, or that's the
Aaron freaking Boon like in those things add up in
those you know, that ability to just you know, to
break through and win a Super Bowl or to try
to get there. It's just it's another season of disappointment
when you feel like you should break through. It doesn't

(47:43):
mean it may not be on a ten errand it
was probably at a tent at the start of the season,
you know, and and maybe as the season unfolds, if
you're a realistic gets added eight and a half or
a nine. But still there was stuff that was set
up to go your way, and now you have another
early exit like this, Like that's there are very few
cursed franchises in the National Football League, and I think

(48:04):
you could put Cleveland in that breath. That's why I
just looked at it the charger. Sure, you know they've
they've they've had their issues, but there's something about the
four straight Super Bowl losses. And that's why I just
keep going back to is because I know that there's
got a lot of guys like me in our age
that remember that scenario. And now you're looking at Buffalo
and maybe maybe you are in Buffalo saying here we

(48:25):
go again. Let me ask you a different question, but
it's kind of the same context, is you know, and
again I'll use the analogy that I used an hour one.
You and I were at that College Football Championship game
at Sophi Stadium where Georgia obliterated TCU. But there was
a moment in time where Georgia had this. And when
I say a moment in time, I mean literally the
start of last season, the middle of last season, the

(48:46):
end of last season where people just said Georgia, sorry,
I'm done, proved me wrong. Do you think that we're
now at like, like, how are we going to talk
about the Bills going into next season? Are there gonna
be people on these air waves? Josh Allen, This is
the year blah blah blah blah blah. Or are we
gonna say you got the home loss on your resume
to Joe Burrow? Back to back losses to Patrick Mahomes.

(49:09):
You're gonna have to go through one of those guys,
if not both, I need to see it, Buffalo. I
guess I'm curious for your perspective. How are we going
to talk about them going forward? Is it gonna be
a yeah butt situation where Okay, we gave you the
benefit of the doubt last year, but it's now now
you need to prove it to me. I think they're
gonna talk about them like you talk about them. I

(49:30):
don't think they're going to get any benefit of the doubt.
I think that this loss is extremely um different than
last year's. They were dominated today. They were dominated by
a team that they're gonna now have to compete with
over the next couple of years and who knows how
much in the future. And I know Cincinnati's gonna have

(49:52):
some decisions to make with with te Higgins, but Joe
Burrow is gonna be there next year, and so is
Jamar Chase and and yeah, so I think that there
is I think that the good will that they built
up last season entering next season is not going to
be there. And I do believe, I do think, I
do believe short term, like there are there are questions,

(50:13):
but I also just think on the bigger level, like
this is if you're a Bills fan, now you're just wondering,
why why is this happening to us? Why? You know,
like why you know, like there was there was a
lot of good will when they broke through in the
playoffs and Andy Dalton and the Bengals beat the Ravens
and that allowed Buffalo to go in when you know

(50:34):
Throd Taylor was their starting quarterback. But now that you've
arrived there, like that's that's a very very small victory
of getting into the playoffs considering how they've been ousted
from the playoffs now the last three years. Yeah, and
I agree with you. I think I can. And by
the way, I've been not critical, but but I think
asking questions about if they were should have legitimately been

(50:56):
the betting favorite coming into the year. But again, I
understood it, and I think this was the year where
you said, okay, thirteen seconds away from beating uh Casey
and Arrowhead and then you're hosting the soup, You're hosting
the a f C Championship to go to the Super Bowl. Uh.
Of course in the divisional round last year the January
of two. So I feel like this was the year

(51:17):
that they got the benefit of the doubt. I don't
think they will publicly next year. And I will say, Dan,
I think I've come around a little bit to the
idea that the fans, that the people who follow this
team on a day to day, week to week basis,
feel like this is probably a cursed franchise. Um. You know,
I think from the outside. I can't speak for anybody
else to me, I kind of look at it, as
you said, a little bit of a different scenario this year,

(51:39):
where this isn't being cursed, isn't playing poorly down the
stretch and then losing by seventeen at home uh in
the playoffs. But I do think there's probably a significant
portion of the Bills fan base that feels like everything
was lined up this year. If it didn't happen this year,
maybe we are just cursed. He's here on Torres. I'm
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on a Fox Football Sunday highlight There courtesy of seven
hundred w LW and the Bengals Radio Network. It was
a touchdown, the extra point was good, and now the
Bengals have the football back up to ten on the
Buffalo Bills with twelve forty eight left to go. Uh,
it is snowstorm in Buffalo. Joe Burrow is still throwing
for two two yards and two touchdowns. And now we

(53:06):
have a passing interference play that's gonna set the Bengals
up inside the ten yard line. And to make matters worse,
Aaron uh the heat Bills in trying to defend Tee
Higgins on the play, Jordan Poyer and Trudavious White collided
and hit each other, knocking them both um down to
the ground and injured. So not only is there a

(53:29):
fourteen point deficit that's not going to set up the
Bengals first in goal, you've not had one, but two
of your starting star defensive players be knocked out on
the same play that's gonna set the Bengals up for
possibly another score. Yeah, I was gonna say it's unbelievable.
A couple of things. One, I have a Joe Burrow
thing I want to run by you when this game

(53:50):
goes final. If they are to hold on, we'll save
that one. Well that's what we call it tease on
on this on this show. But two, I was gonna
say something about Buffalo. I can't remember what I was
gonna say, but man, like, this is this is bad.
This is bad, and whether it is the historical and
it's funny Dan, you and I were at the Georgia
National Championship Game where Georgia for years was one of

(54:11):
those programs, if you will, that couldn't get over the hump,
that always believed the worst was gonna happen. Whether that's
in the players minds, the fans minds, whatever, this is bad.
It's one thing to lose to a good Bengals team.
You start losing by two touchdowns, you get punked at
the line of scrimmage with three starters out on the
offensive line. This is about a worst case scenario for
the Bills right now. It really is. And this is

(54:34):
this again gets back to who Buffalo is because I
think if we get wrapped up in and everything that
is the Bills, because honestly, it's an awesome story. It's
an awesome story for the for the NFL. They're very
you know, Buffalo. Buffalo isn't New York, Buffalo isn't l A.

(54:54):
You know, we just talked ten minutes ago about the
the history of Buffalo and the three of the four
Super Bowls. Bills mafia, you know, obviously has their identity,
and then you have a you know, a guy like
Josh Allen who some love some didn't love, and he's
ended up living up to so many of the uh,

(55:14):
you know, expectations that that those had for him and
proved some of the doubters wrong. But there's also this point, Aaron,
of how good are they really? Like is it just
Josh Allen, because that's what it seems like. The Bengals
today have not hit a three and out, so there
there hasn't been a scenario where the Bill's defense said,

(55:36):
you know what, we got you offense because the conditions
are bad, We're going to get a stop for you guys,
We're gonna get a turnover. It has not happened. And
I don't just think it's the absence of von Miller,
which I do think is a big deal obviously when
you're putting pressure on a quarterback, But I don't know
how good that they don't run the ball that well
and when they do, it's usually Josh Allen doing the

(55:57):
most of it. Like I think that there, you know,
there's a real question of like how good of an
overall team Buffalo really is. Maybe that's even more of
a tip of the captain Josh Allen to get him here,
But there has been not one situation in this game. Heck,
even in the Dolphins game, you could say where the
defense is stepped up and have done like anything hugely,

(56:18):
you know that that could maybe change romantum momentum or
do something. It's almost like they're just a one man
show right now, is yeah, And it is something I've
heard our buddy Collin cow Hear talk about a lot,
and I've seen him send out a few tweets today.
But it does feel like it doesn't feel like there's
any like game plan that's been put together. And I'm
not XS and O's guy, and I don't claim to
be smarter than the guys that are paid millions to

(56:39):
do this, but like if I let me, let me
just ask you this dam simple kind of you know,
one two sentence answer. If I said, what is the
Bill's identity? What would you say? Yeah, that's it. It's
exactly right. And and like, by the way, sometimes you
kind of have that identity and it works like like

(57:00):
the chief's identity is kind of Patrick Mahomes is gonna
do two or three crazy things a year, but they
there's like a four year track record or two or
three crazy things a game, and we're gonna get seventeen
points because of it. But there's like a four year
track record that that works. But most great teams in
any sport, at any level, they have an identity, and like, like,
I think the Bengals have an identity, and yeah, a

(57:21):
lot of it is Joe Burrow, but I don't know,
Like I look at the Bills and it really does
just feel like, hey, we have maybe the most physically
gifted quarterback in this league. Let's just go let them
do stuff and see what happens. And it's just it's
a weird deal. But I agree with you and you
kind of I led you to water and you you
picked up right where I thought you might, which is

(57:42):
it doesn't feel like they have a real identity other
than let Josh Allen figure it out on the fly.
Jump Mixing today leads the Bengals and rushing with seventeen
carries for nine yards and a touchdown. Josh Allen leads
the Bills today in rushing with seven carries for twenty
yards of a touchdown. Like there's like there's you know,
he's your passing game and he's your running game, and

(58:03):
your defense now can't get stops and maybe your passing
game isn't doing as well as it should. I mean,
you know, in the point of of trying to to
look at really where the Bills are and where Josh
Allen is, Joe Burrow has been able to figure things
out in this weather. And and I do think some
of that is the Bill's inability to get to Joe Burrow,

(58:23):
and I'll sell the Bill's inability to cover these guys.
But it is, yeah, it is they They right now
seem to be a one trick pony and and and
it works. I mean, it works at times to the
regular season. But if you just go down their schedule
and just kind of look back at the games that
they have had and that they have played, you're gonna
realize maybe how incomplete of a team Buffalo was entering

(58:47):
this contest. He's Aaron Torres, I'm Dan Buyer, live from
the diirect dot Com Studios. We've got this game. We've
got Cowboys and Niners coming up on Fox kickoff an
hour from now. But first let's add to the news
test from the tire bat Com Studios, the one and
Only Mats giving us the latest of what's going on
not only in Buffalo but also an upset in college basketball.

(59:11):
I know I'm excited to hear what Aaron thinks about that,
but I'm actually gonna tell you guys something. First, were
we got the Bills and the Bengals going on right now,
and then we've got the Cowboys on the forty nine ers. Obviously,
nobody has forgotten kicker Brett Maher and what he did
in the last game. Noe one No Well, a reporter
for the Athletic in San Francisco, just tweeted this about

(59:32):
twelve minutes ago. Brett Maher just missed a forty three
yard about twenty ft wide, right after two earlier misses
from shorter distance. Then he made too, then he missed
another wide right. This is in warmups. Yes, wow, so
right now in warmups you got you got sources on
the ground or what you know? Twitter? Yeah? Twitter, Twitter?

(59:58):
I know, I love it. I love it, and so
it's you. I just I want to say something to this.
I said this on Friday on the Network on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. I didn't think that Mars misses where
that were as big of a deal as people wanted
to make out, because I felt like the misses were
the same. They were all missed to the rights. And

(01:00:18):
as someone who plays golf, you don't want a two
way miss that if you're missing left or right, you
if you're missing left and right, you have no idea
where to game right. You have no right side of
the fairway, left side of the fairway. The one that
Mayer missed the third time was just the pull hook,
and I'm like, okay, that was a little odd. But
the other ones we're all had fairly the same ball flight,

(01:00:40):
so I figured that it was maybe just a minor adjustment.
Now that you say this, I'm thinking my theory is
thrown up a window. We'll find out. We will find out.
I mean, it's got to be psychological at this point.
That sucks. It sucks, but the yips are real, and
hopefully maybe maybe he won't have as bad of a game.
Maybe he won't a spurnero. Who knows, Guys, who knows.

(01:01:02):
We're gonna have to wait and see in about an hour.
But right now, the Bengals look like they're gonna beat
the Bills. Twenty seven to ten is the score. We're
down to the last ten minutes of the game. We'll
see how this one ends. Maybe a miracle is upon us.
We'll see, we'll see. But yes, major upset in college hoops.
Number one Houston lost to Temple fifty five. They had
a chance to win at the end, a couple of

(01:01:24):
chances and just could not get the ball in the basket.
Number three per Doo held on to beat Maryland and
number fifteen Yukonde cruise pass Butler no problems at all.
Eighty six fifty six was the final score. My Clippers
one YEA against the Mavericks one twelve to nine. Cohi
Leonard actually played thirty points, nine rebounds. Luca done a
double double in the lost twenty nine points and ten rebounds.

(01:01:45):
Back to you guys, thank you very much. And it's
a special day here at Fox Sports Radio. We have
a Temple lum staff. Yes, yes, the one and only
Ethan Miller, our executive producer today. Uh, let's let's go right.
So he was exploring champagne on himself in the back
that thought it was kind of weird for like a

(01:02:06):
one o'clock shift. I'm doused in champagne right now. Don't
tell Scott, don't tell Mike, don't tell anybody. The Temple
victory today over Houston. How does it feel being a
Temple alum? You know what, It brings back memories to
twenty sixteen when I was a freshman and we knocked

(01:02:27):
off SMU number eight in the country, storm the court,
and that's the last biggest one we've had. So it
feels great to be a Temple alum here in Los
Angeles as we knock off number one in the country.
I say it again, baby, the former number one Houston
Cougar says yes. Back to you guys, thank you, and

(01:02:51):
look at the throwback from Ethan Miller. That is very
very good. Congrats on the the upset win. We should
have a new number one in the a P hole
tomorrow probably. I mean, we've got some football playoffs. It's
not in the preliminary rundown, but hey, maybe we can
find one at some point. It looks like the Bills

(01:03:11):
may have just turned the football over as Josh Allen
was attempting a pass. This is gonna be one of
those close ones. Was the arm moving forward is in
an incomblee pass? Even if even if the ball is
moving forward, if the arm was not in that position,
it is still a fumble. So Mike Hilton coming up

(01:03:31):
from his safety position, forcing that uh forcing that fumble
of of Josh Allen. So it is now under review,
but it is almost over. It's to ten Cincinnati against Buffalo,
ten minutes to go in that contest. I do want
to get your thoughts on last night's you were on
the air when the Giants fell to the Eagles and

(01:03:54):
the Eagles walked on to the NFC Championship where they'll
host either the Niners or the cowboy Boys next Sunday,
Because now you look at the Giants and you look forward.
Daniel Jones is not under contracton Parkley is not under contract.
Jones didn't really want to talk about his contract situation
last night, understandable in what his future holds, but did

(01:04:15):
say that he wants to go back, and you know,
I know you guys talked about it, Aaron and I
don't know what the temperature in the room, but when
I ended up leaving that game last night, I just
kind of felt to myself, I don't know if it
was the greatest thing in the world that maybe Daniel
Jones had this sort of season, because I I don't
maybe maybe there are brighter days ahead, but I think
like there are instances in the NFL we sometimes you

(01:04:36):
gotta be careful for what you wish for, and this
maybe I look at the Seahawks for an example. I
don't know if it's great that they're picking in the
top five and now they think that Gino Smith could
be there guy, like maybe this is the time where
you do take a quarterback. And I kind of wonder
about the Giants as well, like are you now going
to be throwing a bunch of money at Daniel Jones
when you only have this one season of success. It

(01:04:58):
was a very interesting conversation we did last night because
I think Jason and I both agreed, and at least
I'll speak for myself, is that it was one It's great,
it's great you got to the playoffs, right, But but
I think there's also a belief like it does feel
like Brian Dable got every ounce that you could out
of Daniel Jones, like like this isn't um. You know,

(01:05:19):
Trevor Lawrence with more natural gifts in year two and
and and you know, he was the consensus number one pick,
and everybody thought that that he could have a moment
in time like he has had over the last four
or five weeks, leading them to a division title and
a playoff win. Daniel Jones, on the other hand, Uh,
this is now year four. Obviously next year will be
year five, and you know he's gonna be twenty six

(01:05:41):
years old early next year, and it just feels like
this is the best version that you're going to get
of him. And so it's the weird situation where you know,
you could certainly do a lot worse. Like to be clear,
you know, just ask the team across the city from you,
the Jets or whomever, you know, the Tech I can't
even think off the top of my head, the Colts, whoever.

(01:06:01):
You could certainly do worse. But also it feels like
it's almost like you know we talked about with a
number of quarterbacks, is you need everything to go right
just to be in the position that you worked yesterday.
And then, oh, by the way, you saw against a
team that has an elite defensive front, elite weapons on offense, uh,

(01:06:23):
a quarterback that's better than yours, it can get ugly
really quick, and so um. You know, obviously the franchise
tag it feels like it's in place, so that probably
helps things. But it's the weird thing where you could
do a lot worse, but we also kind of know
Daniel Jones probably isn't the answer long term. Yeah, that's
this is this is where it's it's not as simple

(01:06:45):
as hey, is it Daniel Jones or is it not
Daniel Jones? Like it's really because it's really on how
much you have to pay. And that's where because of
his kind trek situation that makes the scenario even more difficult.
You obviously didn't pick up his fifth year options, so
now he is a free agent. If you use that

(01:07:06):
franchise tag, it's gonna cost you forty five million dollars
and that's a lot of money. That's a lot of
money for Daniel Jones, and that's a lot of money
just to find out do you have do you have
your quarterback or not? Like it's one thing that you know,
if you picked up the fifth year option and are
you know, paying him the million or whatever it is,

(01:07:27):
that that's one thing to be like, all right, we
can we can take that and then we can decide
and see if really he's our guy long term and
if we're gonna franchise him after that. But to do
that for that amount is tricky. That's why I think
that that. I think that the Giants season Aaron and
in their defense, seemed to get better. Um the the

(01:07:48):
guys that they've had stepping up on the outside, you know,
Darius Slayton seemed to be the number one guy, and
they've missed on wide receivers. You know, Kenny Golladay signing
was was atrocious. If if you can get pieces there,
it gives you more weapons. I just wouldn't want to
pay him forty five million dollars a year to find out,
you know. So that's why you like, if they could

(01:08:09):
get a short term deal done that pays him, you
know somewhere in that you know, thirty million dollar neighborhood,
I'd feel a lot more. I'd feel a lot better
about it if I were a Giants fan than than
even risking on the one year deal to pay him
forty five million dollars to see if he's actually worth it.
It is a weird, weird, weird situation there. And again,
I know you kind of frame this segment. I think

(01:08:31):
you're absolutely right. Is that sometimes having a degree of
success beyond your expect it seems like, oh, that's always
a good thing. It isn't always a good thing, right.
There were teams that lost in Week eighteen, or teams
that one in Week a teen that hurt the draft stock,
teams that you didn't want to win one. And this
feels like one of those scenarios where Brian Dable establishes. Okay,
I am to some degree to QB Whisper. I mean,

(01:08:53):
we're talking about Josh Allen melting down. He looked a
lot better when Brian Dable was his o C. Daniel
Jones reaching his potential. Uh but again, what more can
you get out of Daniel Jones? I'm not sure And
if you can't, as you just laid out, it's going
to be very very expensive to bring him back, even
on a franchise. Take there is there is something to like,
Like he's not Josh Allen, but the numbers you know

(01:09:15):
that he put up against the Vikings were very Josh
alan esk and with his running ability and his size,
you're just now wanting him to take the next step.
And I mean, hen you know, Giants have a better
defense maybe than than what Buffalo has right now, at
least in some of the names and what could be.
So there there there is that like blueprint? And heck yeah,

(01:09:36):
Brian Dable and and Joe Shane coming from you know,
from Buffalo, so you could see like there is a there,
there could be a plan for that, but it's yeah,
it's just it's just the price of it. We're down
to eight minutes in the a f C Divisional showdown,
Bengals leading the Bills twenty seven to ten and the
Bills facing a fourth down. They are in Cincinnati territory,
but again running out of time down to the Bengals

(01:09:57):
sixteen yard line. Buffalo has is two time outs left
in this game as well. Should also be pointed out
that this Brett maher a warm up session in San
Francisco is becoming um quite the story as reporters are
just watching mar do this left and right. And Tim
kawakam Uh Kawakami, who covers uh the Bay Area of

(01:10:21):
the Niners and Warriors and and has for years for
The Athletic, reported that Jerry Jones actually walked out into
the field after Brett Maher missed a couple of kicks.
So now you got Jerry in your ear. This is
I'll say this. I don't think it's gonna even come
down to a couple of Brett mar kicks today, I

(01:10:43):
don't I think the forty niners will roll and to
sit there and worry about the kicker. I just don't
think it's gonna matter. I'll just say I missed the
old Jerry Jones mid nineties. We just talk about the
nineties with the Bills. I missed the mid nineties. Jerry
Jones would just be like, you're out, we're finding somebody else. Well,
let's I don't know, like he used to have that

(01:11:04):
George Steinburner quality to him. I feel like where he
had a short fuse. Now it's just happy, go lucky.
You know, Jason Garrett gets fifteen years to figure it out.
I need old school Jerry Jones back. He's eron Torres.
I'm Dan Buyer. I actually think he's a lot more loyal.
Like to your point, he kept Jason Garrett, cap Wade
Phillips gave Dave Campbell the job one year. I think

(01:11:24):
he's more loyal and maybe that's maybe part of the
Jerry Jones problem. Get eron on Twitter at Aaron Underscore Torres.
Find me on Twitter at Dan Buyer. On Foxes, we
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(01:11:49):
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(01:12:13):
but no time outs and again down seventeen. Quite a
tall order doing it in the snow, wintry mix, white
stuff all over the field. Bills running game nonexistent, Bengals
running game shortly present, Joe Burrow was great, and Cincinnati
for the second straight season will advance to the a
f C Championship Game, and for the second straight season

(01:12:35):
they will go to Kansas City and face the Chiefs
in that championship game. Get Aaron on Twitter at Aaron
Underscore Tours. You can find me on Twitter at Dan
Buyer on Fox and I do just want to touch
on this, and we're gonna touch on the Bengals next
hour as well on on what this win means and
how we look at the Bengals. But from a Bill's perspective, Aaron,

(01:12:55):
you and I last hour we're talking about this, you
think that there are immediate short term ramifications and in
looking at Buffalo and what this loss means and and
really looking at who they are as an organization, well,
I just think I don't know. Like what I would
say is this is that going into the year, I

(01:13:16):
thought it was a little weird, but also like weirdly justified.
I said it two things gonna be true. They were
the favorites going into the year, and I felt like
they probably should be. But I also said, I don't
ever remember a favorite that has actually accomplished less than
the Buffalo Bills. As I said, this particular core of
guys has never won a Super Bowl, has never played

(01:13:39):
in a Super Bowl, has been a one a f
C Championship game two years ago at Arrowhead, and got
destroyed last year. Obviously, I know it was an all
time Classic, but they didn't lose in the divisional round.
And so why I bring it up is I just
think that given the circumstances, you're at home. I know
the weather wasn't great, blah blah blah blah blah. But
you're at home. You're playing a Bengals team that I
would argue is more banged up than you. I know

(01:13:59):
you don't have Von Miller. That's not an excuse though.
This is football. Injuries happen. It's a game you gotta win.
And then you know, if if it's a weird thing
where you're in Atlanta and mahomes and it's indoors and whatever,
that's different if you lose there, in my opinion, to
a team that has been there a million times before.
But I think this is a colossal loss for the

(01:14:20):
Buffalo Bills. I really, really, really do. I'm not saying,
you know, Josh Allen Dolvar Rein and are you know
I and I know you and I have joked about
the people that need to contextualize everything, and this guy
is now number seven on my all time list because
he did that, and it's like, no, But I also
think that we can acknowledge that if you are the
preseason favorites and your best player is ready to go,

(01:14:44):
and you're at home in the divisional round, this is
a game that you gotta win. So I look at
where Buffalo is now and this is what's going to happen,
and I think it's I I look at it from
like the long term, you know aspect that I think
where you've got guys like me and their forties, Um,
who remember what happened thirty years ago in the four
straight losses in the Super Bowl and we referenced the

(01:15:06):
Music City Miracle. The Buffalo Bills are becoming the Boston
Red Sox of the NFL. Like I know, Boston won
their World Series title in two thousand four, but you
want to talk about what is starting to look like
a cursed franchise, I mean like this is this is
another another opportunity where it was all there for them.
I mean it was. There were even adjustments made to

(01:15:29):
the NFL schedule because of you know what happened with
Damar Hamlin, where you know, there's some people who felt
that Buffalo shouldn't even have you know, shouldn't have gotten
home field, that Kansas City had the better winning percentage
and that was the rules that were put in, so
there were even adjustments made that benefited them but didn't

(01:15:50):
benefit the Bengals in the same breath. Like now, like
if you're a Bills fan, you didn't forget those four
Super Bowl losses, and now it's just gonna be on repeat,
like the playoff droute that they ended, you know what
was now? What you know five six years ago? Like
that's that's like a distant memory, but that's put into

(01:16:12):
the the file cabinet of all of this misery of
being a Buffalo Bills fan. And when you're talking about,
you know, cursed franchises in the NFL, you know you're
talking about the Cleveland Browns and the drive and the
fumble and how close it was for them to get
to the to the World Series. I think it's the
same for the Buffalo Bills. They're the cursed franchise in
the NFL. Now with losing this game against the Bengals,

(01:16:35):
and it dates back thirty years to the four straight
Super Bowl losses, it's something that they just can't shake
right now. And until they go to a super Bowl
and win a Super Bowl, I think it's gonna hover
over them. Yeah, And and to go back to our
our one conversation, I guess what I would say is,
I don't disagree that there are definitely a lot of fans,
and certainly fans of a generation that are probably you know,

(01:16:55):
thirty five to forty plus who do feel cursed. I
guess what I was want to say is, I don't
think that you can equate, certainly for the players in
the locker room, most of which aren't even old enough
to remember that four straight Super Bowls where you lose. Um,
But I always don't you don't you remember when the
Red Sox lost to the Yankees and Aaron freaking Boone. Yeah,

(01:17:16):
don't you remember that? Like you know, Pedromar, Like that's
that's the scar tissue. And I know that you don't
remember eighty six and the and the Red Sox and Mets.
But that's what ends up happening. Are these these scenarios
end up building up where you think it's your year.
And yeah, they don't remember the Babe Ruth trade in Boston,
But let me, can I jump in on that? Should

(01:17:38):
a Bills fan have felt like this is their year?
Not in August? But I mean, I'm talking the last
four or five weeks when, as you said, Dan, I
mean you let the show by saying this ain't the
Bills of September and October. When they're playing Sunday Night football,
they're up twenty four nothing or whatever against the Green
Bay Packers. Should they have felt like this is their year?
Or should they have felt like, you know what, we

(01:18:00):
have the talent, but we haven't seen that talent play
to its potential in five, six, seven weeks. I think
that that you have an expectation that you've got a
home playoff game, it's a winter remix that you would
you would have every reason to think that this is
going to be your day, and then it completely doesn't.

(01:18:22):
Like it's it's it's it's not a this isn't the
ball going through Buckner's legs sort of deal. But like
this was this was set up in a way where
Buffalo with the you know, the awful scenario with the
Damar Hamlin and thank goodness, Damar Hamlin is alive, and
at the at the game today that the NFL took

(01:18:45):
steps where you know now, I think we'd have questions
if they would have won that game in Cincinnati anyway,
for how this how this played out today, But the
NFL took steps to ensure that the Bills wouldn't have
to go to Kansas City if there was an a
f C Championship up game, which I know Bill's fans
are like, why don't we always have to go to
Kansas City? Because it seems like they're always going to
Kansas City, and I think actually they are again next season.

(01:19:08):
It's just the fact of it's just you file it away.
It's another disappointing loss, like last year's thirteen second to bacle.
That's the ball through Buckner's legs, or that's the Aaron
freaking Boon like in those things add up in those
you know, that ability to just you know, to break
through and win a Super Bowl or to try to
get there. It's just it's another season of disappointment when

(01:19:31):
you feel like you should break through. It doesn't mean
it may not be on a ten errand it was
probably at a tent at the start of the season,
you know, and and maybe as the season unfolds, if
you're a realistic gets added eight and a half or
a nine. But still there was stuff that was set
up to go your way, and now you have another
early exit like this, like that's there are very few

(01:19:52):
cursed franchises in the National Football League, and I think
you could put Cleveland in that breath. That's why I
just look at it from the charger. Sure, you know
they've they've they've had their issues, but there's something about
the four straight Super Bowl losses. And that's why I
just keep going back to is because I know that
there's got a lot of guys like me in our
age that remember that scenario. And now you're looking at

(01:20:13):
Buffalo and maybe maybe you are in Buffalo saying here
we go again. Let me ask you a different question,
but it's kind of the same context, is you know,
And again I'll use the analogy that I used an
hour one. You and I were at that College Football
Championship game at Sophi Stadium where Georgia obliterated TCU. But
there was a moment in time where Georgia had this
And when I say a moment in time, I mean

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literally the start of last season, the middle of last season,
the end of last season where people just said Georgia, sorry,
I'm done, proved me wrong. Do you think that we're
now at like, like, how are we going to talk
about the Bills going into next season. Are there gonna
be people on these air waves Josh Allen this is
the year blah blah blah blah blah. Or are we

(01:20:54):
gonna say you got the home loss on your resume
to Joe Burrow back to back losses to Patrick Homes
You're gonna have to go through one of those guys,
if not both, I need to see it, Buffalo. I
guess I'm curious for your perspective. How are we going
to talk about them going forward? Is it gonna be
a yeah butt situation where Okay, we gave you the
benefit of the doubt last year, but it's now now

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you need to prove it to me. I think they're
gonna talk about them like you talk about them. I
don't think they're going to get any benefit of the doubt.
I think that this loss is extremely um different than
last year's. They were dominated today. They were dominated by
a team that they're gonna now have to compete with
over the next couple of years and who knows how

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much in the future. And I know Cincinnati's gonna have
some decisions to make with with te Higgins, but Joe
Burrow is gonna be there next year, and so is
j mar Chase And and yeah, so I think that
there is I think that the good will that they
built up last season entering next season is not going
to be there. And I do believe, I do think,
I do believe short term, like there are there are questions,

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but I also just think on the bigger level, like
this is if you're a Bills fan, now, you're just wondering,
why why is this happening to us? Why? You know,
like why you know, like there was there was a
lot of good will when they broke through in the
playoffs and Andy Dalton and the Bengals beat the Ravens
and that allowed Buffalo to go in when you know,

(01:22:25):
throughout Taylor was their starting quarterback. But now that you've
arrived there, like that's that's a very very small victory
of getting into the playoffs considering how they've been ousted
from the playoffs now the last three years. Yeah, and
I agree with you. I think I can. And by
the way, I've been not critical, but but I think
asking questions about if they were should have legitimately been

(01:22:47):
the betting favorite coming into the year. But again, I
understood it and I think this was the year where
you said, okay, thirteen seconds away from beating uh Casey
and Arrowhead, and then you're hosting the soup, You're hosting
the a f C champ ship to go to the
Super Bowl. Uh of course in the divisional round last
year the January of two. So I feel like this
was the year that they got the benefit of the doubt.

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I don't think they will publicly next year. And I
will say, Dan, I think I've come around a little
bit to the idea that the fans, that the people
who follow this team on a day to day, week
to week basis, feel like this is probably a cursed franchise. Um.
You know, I think from the outside. I can't speak
for anybody else. To me, I kind of look at it,
as you said, a little bit of a different scenario

(01:23:29):
this year where this isn't being cursed, isn't playing poorly
down the stretch and then losing by seventeen at home
in the playoffs. But I do think there's probably a
significant portion of the Bills fan base that feels like
everything was lined up this year. If it didn't happen
this year, maybe we are just cursed. He's Aaron Torres,
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(01:24:53):
NFL Radio or Fox Sports Radio. NFL insider Adam Kaplan Adam,
welcome in and Aaron and I just discussing the a
f C Championship game. I guess, uh, you know, Bills
are done, so we can start to look ahead to
that team. Aaron and I were both in agreement that
this this team is just it's so Josh Allen based.
How does that change this offseason or what it changes?

(01:25:16):
Do you expect the Bills to make? Uh? Now, as
they were ousted, you guys gonna be with you, I think,
first of all, not that they're ever gonna be a
running team. That's certainly not gonna happen with Josh Allen.
But when they run it, they have to be able
to sustain some time of a running game, and they
have not been able to do that at all this season.
James Cook, just my understanding is that he's probably gonna
transition to be their main back, Dalvin's younger brother, and

(01:25:38):
he's he's flashed. He what happened was he had a
fumble in the first game against the Rams, he got
kind of buried on the depth chart, and then second
half of the season he's been much of a factor,
much more of a factor. But you're right, it's they've
got to find something that to compliment Josh Allen. And
then one other things. Do not underestimate the loss of
Brian day Ball being the head coach of the Giants transitioning.

(01:25:58):
He's the guy really developed Allen. Uh and I'm going
to kendor So he's done a decent job going from
being quarterbacks coach to play caller. There's also been a
drop off and they've got to figure out some other
ways to move the football. Adam, have you had the
opportunity to spend time around Joe Burrow at all? And
the reason I ask is because he feels like he

(01:26:19):
himself is such a galvanizing force and elevates other guys around.
And we know about the old line injuries and stuff.
I don't mean to cut you off, but it feels
like this guy gets everybody in that locker room to
believe what he believes as well. And I've been around
not just not Burrow like this, but just being around
quarterbacks and particularly coaches about what happened when you have

(01:26:40):
that championship feeling. It's there's something you know they called
that in factor, which it's hard to it's it's hard,
it's hard to kind of put it in words what
it means. Certainly it's something like it's first of all,
it's a leadership at rising to the moment. I know
people are beating up Josh Allen. I get it. I mean,
it's it's fair. It's fair game. When you're the starting
quarterback at star him, you're gonna get criticized. But if

(01:27:03):
you just something about him, about his ability to lead.
Now it's rising to the moment when you need to.
You mention the three offensive line injuries, which are significant.
And by the way, this it was not easy today
in the snow. Now, what's happened lately because of the injuries.
It's not that they're down at attempts. He's still threw
a thirty six times a day, but they're not taking

(01:27:24):
a lot of deep, deep drops, not a lot of
shot plays. They did when they could. But the past
games had a change, and that's kudos is actually of
the head coach is calling the plays. But there's definitely
something about Burrow and this is not a guy. Remember now,
this is not a guy who started a ton of college.
He sort of bucked the trend. You typically, when you
don't have like three or four years starting, there's this

(01:27:44):
belief that you can't be a great quarterback at this level.
But he shot that down and he's been terrific and
and and right now with with Patrick Mahomes of that
right ankle injury, he'll play, but he clearly was hobbled
by it. He had trouble stepping in the throws. I mean,
I know the game will be in Kansas City, but
let's not forget what happened last year championship game. Adam
Kaplan our Fox Sports Radio, NFLNS that are joining us,

(01:28:05):
and it is an absolute epics Sunday with these two games.
It's so epic, Adam, that we are concerned about the
pregame warmups with the Cowboys and Niners. Were you surprised
that Dallas ended up sticking with Brett Marr this week
to kick against San Francisco. Yeah, a little. Well, he's
been so good, you Brett Marr has been a journeyman kicker.
I mean, he's they called him money Mar because he's

(01:28:26):
been so good. And then he has this bizarre situation
with the Missextra points. In fact, for gamblers. All he
had to do is make one of the game would
have gone over. I thought that was kind of funny.
Sorry for the bad beats, folks, but yeah, look, they
signed the kicker to the practice squad. They made sure
and what this does is this puts pressure on him.
He knows this because the guys they are practice, but

(01:28:47):
they're sticking with him, and this is gonna be a
fun game today. I I do like like the Niners
to win, but I've yet to see Brock pretty super
challenge yet. He's been great. No question he'll be their
starter going to the offseason, but we did we still
have not seen him being under severe pressure and how
he deals with that. And I could tell you Michael Parsons,
but by the way, is lining up at Danne more
than he's linebacker. This is where you know in dan

(01:29:11):
Quinn will blitz. I'm very interested to see what they
can do against him. So Adam, you know, obviously Cowboys
are playing in this round because they take care of
Tampa on Monday night. And I guess my question for you,
we talked about this a little bit on my Saturday
show yesterday, is there's this insane, you know, curiosity of
where Tom Brady plays next year, then I guess my

(01:29:32):
question for you is should we be that excited? Because
I know that there were injuries and coaching stuff, and
it's clear there was disconnect, you know, disconnecting the locker
room and everything with the coaching staff. I just see
what I saw on Monday night and what I saw
most of this year, a forty five going on forty
six year old guy. And I don't know that if
I'm a Dolphins fan that's worried about two uh or

(01:29:55):
a forty Niners fan if brock Purty falls apart today,
like I don't know that Tom Brady is the ants
or anymore. What are you hearing about not only his future,
but about if there's an excitement or a market for
him heading into this office. Yeah, it'll be a one
year bridge kind of situation where the team that signs
him is looking towards the future. And and here's the
early word that I have on quarterback the quarterback classes,

(01:30:16):
there will be no more in three that go in
the first round, and they could go in the top
fifteen and after that the Richard Richardson the quarterback for
Florida probably second round pick as of now, so it's
not a great draft. And and by my account, I've
got ten to twelve teams that do not know who
the quarterback is gonna be for the twenty three season.
So he clearly if he wants to play, and I
know he's gonna take some time, so is Aaron Rodgers
to figure out what they want to do he'll be

(01:30:37):
able to be a starter. Uh. Spots to look at
would be the Raiders. Obviously with Josh McDaniels, the Raiders
were on him uh three years ago, and my reporting
on this the Raiders are actually poised to sign him,
and they just were not comfortable with some of the the
things he was asking for, not just money, just certain
perks and and and Mark Davis is not ready to
do that. But now with Josh McDaniels there, I think

(01:30:58):
things could change. And this would of the Raiders at
least one year to figure out what they can do
at the quarterback position because they don't have that starter
there with Derek Carr was either going to be released
or traded, so they have to figure out what they're
gonna do there. But someone will sign him as a
bridge quarterback while they tried to develop a young younger
quarterback Adam Capitla joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
He's here in Torres. I'm Dan Buyer. Does Jeff Saturday

(01:31:19):
have a legit chance to keep the job full time
in Indie Interview? Well, they've, boy, they've really sort of
run the gamut. Special teams coaches, Um. Obviously Jeff Saturday,
some offensive coaches, defensive guys doesn't. Yes, because he's very
close to the owner and he's been he had been
consulting with the team before they hired him to be
the interim head coach. So yeah, he does, he does.

(01:31:42):
But it see and Chris Ballard's a really real good
football guy, and Chris Ballad will have heavy say, I'm told,
on the decision who's going to be the head coach.
Jeff Saturday's gotta have a plan because the Ballots got
to get got to get the quarterback situation right. First
of all, that's on him, he is. That's one area
where he's obviously failed. But they're gonna they're gonna get

(01:32:02):
a quarterback here that They're gonna be serious about getting
a younger guy um in the draft. That's that's their goal,
and they have to have a plan how are they
going to develop the quarterback? Because that's the thing with
this coach at carousel, and there's there's I know there's
one off offensive coordinator I've heard who's not interviewed. Well,
it's just it's a guy that everybody likes, but he
does not have he didn't have a good staff I'll
put together. And and I'm telling you, if you don't

(01:32:23):
have a good staff and a GM or owner both
know this, you're not getting that job. And you mentioned
kind of some early draft until that you're starting to
kind of trickle in. Any word on if the Bears
plan on moving that pick, obviously you know not you know,
it seems as though they're established a quarterback. Any word
on what there, I'll tell you what that. Yeah, they
don't know what they're gonna do it. It's well in January.

(01:32:44):
I know, I've spoken to three teams that already doing
homework on justin fields. They just they're they're not saying
they're gonna trade for him, but but they're looking at
all the options and they know he's under contract, but
they also know that you have a new GM and
coach staff. They didn't heerd of the quarterback. They weren't
with him. They weren't there when he was drafted. So
it's something to keep an eye on on Justin Fields
here now. Obviously, if the Bears, if you trade him,

(01:33:07):
that you have nothing left. You don't have a quarterback,
so that no, you you can and I'm sure they're
gonna want a first round pick. They should get one
if they wind up trading him. And again I'm not
being clear here that they don't have him up to
be traded right now, but who's to say they won't
They won't do that as we get closer the trading,
the trading opening of of mid March. Last one from

(01:33:27):
me Adam Cowboys Niners coming up. Mike Silver reported earlier
this week longtime NFL reporter that the party decision has
already been made. He's their guy in three I would
say in the off season. Yeah, he's definitely will be
the start of the off season, there's no doubt. I mean,
no matter what happens, Yes, I would believe that. Interesting. Interesting,

(01:33:50):
and it's been unbelievable. I mean, I know it's crazy
and one other they're not good on this. It's what
most people don't know this. Do you know he was
a fourth string quarterback to start training camp. But who
was the third guy? By the way, you have bet
you don't know who the number two was. You probably
don't know this well as Lance Garoppolo. I don't know
who the number two of the men. Nate Sutfield, No, yeah,

(01:34:11):
Nate Stubfelt was the two. They in fact, they gave
him a nice guarantee in his contract. Garoppolo technically was
the three because he was not going to be on
the roster. I remember being there and just laughing at
how crazy it was with Garoppolo not a lot of
practice and Party was the four, but filling in as
the three because they didn't know what they're gonna do
with Garppolo, and and every Domino hit Lance. You know,
obviously with the significant Ancho injury, Garoppolo gets hurt, and

(01:34:33):
here we are. I mean, it's just one thing after another.
It's certainly one of the strangest situations my twenty one
years is my twenty first year. I mean, we'd have
to sit down. Maybe if you guys are the super Bowl,
we can talk about in Phoenix. But it's certainly one
of the most bizarre situations. And who knew that last
pick overall in this draft would turn out to be
a guy who's carrying the football so quickly. Then, Adam,
where do you think Trey Lances next year is a

(01:34:53):
backup or somewhere else? Um, we'll see. This is a
situation where the agent has to look at it, and
that just so you know, they it's not like they've
told it. They don't have to make any decisions right now.
They won't make decisions on anything until they get to
the off season. But then they're gonna have to make
a decision because if I'm Trey Lance's agent, I'm not
gonna put up with with brock party being. I just
know how agents are. I'm not gonna mean Lances. Look,

(01:35:15):
they made a significant trade up last year. Are you
gonna tell me he's gonna sit three years? And we
saw it. We we saw Jordan Love and that that
situation we're talking more about this next week. That Jordan
Love situation is coming up. They've got the fifth year.
That's the untold story which needs to be discussed. The
Packers have to make a decision when it's fifth year
option in May. That half against the Eagles, Uh, I

(01:35:37):
think really helps. I think you saw enough in that
game for Green Bay, you know, to to be like
and if they end up moving on, to move on.
But it's enough to think that there's something he looked
great and I know that Eagles couldn't prepare for that,
and they just you know you can. There's no way
you can prepare for it. He's got great arm, he does,
he's got good athletics and talking about Packers source, his

(01:35:57):
knowledge of the offense grew significantly this this past off season.
He's pretty, he's super gifted. He was just kind of
raw come out of Nevada and they've developed him. He
knows this West Coast, West Coast offense really well. And
see Rogers has got to make his decision what he
wants to do and then in terms of playing or
not in the number two, does he ask out because

(01:36:17):
they have to buy their agreement, they have to earnestly
try to trade him if he wants out, and Jordan
Love would be that guy if they do. He's Adam
Capitlan our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider Here, I'm on
the Inside the Birds podcast on it will be a
Big Week NFC Championship. Get him on Twitter at Capitlan
NFL appreciate it at him. Talk to you guys, Thank you.
He's Aeron Torres. I'm Dan Buyer Errands in the hot
seat for easy as one to three four. That's after

(01:36:39):
Mons Milanios gives us the latest from the news desk
Alive from the Direct Back Com studios. What's going on? Many? Well,
Joe Burrow being so awesome and cool? Why is he
so cool? He just you can't you can't, you know,
teach swag and he's got the swag and still does.
Tracy Wilson asked him after the game. He she brought

(01:37:00):
up the a f C Championship game, the neutral site game,
and how everybody was talking about the neutral site game
but not the Bengals, and she was like, how much
does that motivate you coming into this and all? He
responded and said, better send those refunds. Better send those refunds.
We gotta get that audio. Somebody's there that they gotta
like in the back. We can crack it. Dowst swag.

(01:37:22):
You can't teach that. And to go along with swag,
he also threw for two yards and two touchdowns lead
the Bengals. Pass the bill was the final score, but
in reality, it really was all Bengals, like it was
very lopsided. The score doesn't do justice to what the
Bengals did from start to finish. They advanced to the
a f C Championship game against the Kansas City Chiefs,

(01:37:44):
so there will be a rematch and just about to
start the Cowboys and the forty Niners. You can catch
this game on Fox. It's gonna start any second. Now.
We've got one NBA game going on right now. Toronto
has an early lead against the nixt. Thirty to twenty
is the score they're about to end the first quarter.
To you, guys, thank you very much. Don't go far
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(01:38:06):
as is Ethan Miller, our executive producer, and Iowa Sam
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Never been more ready for anything in my life. All right,
let's do it. Strike up the band. Aaron's goal is
to get a perfect score of ten with the over

(01:38:29):
under today eight and a half, so we expected to
do well. Topics of conversation NFL, NBA, in college basketball. Okay,
so right up your alley. You can use a lifeline,
but you can only use it once. So once that
person is used, they cannot get back into the game.
That varies week to week, by the way, depending on

(01:38:50):
the questions, it does vary. But for the time being,
the lifeline cannot get back in. So I'm gonna give
you a topic. You don't have to give me all
of the correct answers, but just some. Again, the goal
is to get the ten Aaron Torres named one of
two leading vote getters by the fans as of right

(01:39:11):
now or our latest update for the backcourt spots in
the Eastern Conference for next month's NBA All Star Game.
One of the two in the backcourt Eastern Conference. Yes,
one of the two leading vote getters. All right, I
saw the recent polling. I'm gonna jump right to the lifelines.
Come on, Monsey, miss miss NBA, the Queen of the

(01:39:32):
n B A you and Genie Buss that the two
faces of female basketball. I mean, because my thing is okay,
so who would it even? See? Like I'm confused, Like so,
Jayson Tatum would be like a small forward, right, So yeah,
let's talk this out. Okay. So the first thing that
came to mind was James Harden Um. He plays for Philly.

(01:39:55):
We have Miami, Jimmy Butler, Trey Young, Trey Young. What
about Kyrie Kyrie? I would go I I would go
Kyrie over James Harden. Okay, I would go Kyrie over
James Harden for sure. Maybe a Celtic. What we have
to give you the top just wanted to for the backcourt,

(01:40:16):
specifically backcourt specifically, I would go to Kyrie for sure
over James Harden. Well, the over under said it eight
and a half um Irie, Yeah, I feel like last
night hate him? No, they don't hate him. Okay, alright,
very I'll be I won't list the groups that are
he's that are not a fan of him right now.

(01:40:36):
But all right, Manti has sold me on Kyrie Irving
as one of two. All right, show me Kyrie Irving. Yes,
everybody loves Kyrie three nine seven million votes in the
most recent update, Donovan Mitchell of the Calves, then Jalen Brown,

(01:41:02):
then James Harden you mentioned and Trey Young fifth. So
that's so on lu sweat to start. That's okay. The
first question doesn't mean it's the easiest. It just happens
to be the first you used your lifeline. Well Aaron Torres,
I'm a question number two, named two of three all
time at leading receivers in touchdown receptions for the Cincinnati Bengals. Oh,

(01:41:28):
my god, all time touchdown reception leaders for the Cincinnati Bengals.
My goodness, gracious, can't even well, Okay, I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna do it. Dan, I'm pro I don't know
if I'm right. I am going to start with a

(01:41:50):
beloved not just a like a beloved colleague of mine,
t J. Houshman Zada. And then I'm gonna go with
his former te mate, Chad Johnson slash chat o Cho Sinkle.
That's one person, just so we're clear, Okay, I'm using
both last names as one person in that. So those
are gonna be my two answers. All right, final answers,

(01:42:13):
as final as they can be. Show me Chat Johnson.
He has number one on the list, sixty six touchdown
receptions four Chat Johnson in his career as a Bengal.
And to continue with the perfect score of three, is it?
T J hush Monzata, Well, t J. Six all time

(01:42:34):
with thirty seven reception. You know what, He's number one
in my heart and that's all that matters. So A J.
Green was second with sixty five receptions touchdown receptions as
a Bengal and Carl Pickens yes the nineties nineties sixty three.
Then he had Isaac Curtis who played the seventies and eighties.
Eddie Brown had forty one. He was fifth, and then

(01:42:56):
t J. Hush Menzata and seventh Chris Collinsworth. Chris Collinsworth
with thirty six. If I had, if I had all day,
I probably could have come up with A J. Green,
But as I said, t J. Hush Manzade is at
the very least my favorite former Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver.
So let's let's get that on the record right now.
Two of three right now for Aaron Torres. Can he

(01:43:17):
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(01:43:39):
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(01:44:01):
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(01:44:23):
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Mayer comes on to attempt to kick, that is for sure.
But let's get the band going again. Aaron, we are
smack dab in the middle of this game of easy
as one to three four. College basketball and NFL are
the two categories left. We done the NBA, We've done
one of the NFL questions. Now on the question three, Well,

(01:44:47):
he's one of your lifelines, Iowa. Sam is a lifeline,
as is Ethan Miller. You've used Monter Milanos, who helped
you get a point earlier in the game. So question
number three, name three of four Nonpower five conferences represented
in this current week's AP Top twenty five men's college
hoops poll. Power five. You said non Well, the team

(01:45:10):
that was number one in the country that just lost
Houston is of the A A C. So that's I
should say Power six. So they're so. The Big East
is the sixth power conference of basketball, so they're so
they're out. Okay, So that's one. WCC with Gonzaga is too.
Um and here's the complicated part. I'm almost certain that

(01:45:34):
two other teams are College at Charleston and Florida Atlantic.
Where it gets a little tricky, though I'm not totally
sure what conference those teams are in. It may have
been the reason for this question. We may have been
in the same boat. We may have been in the
same boat. Okay, So I know Ethan Miller is a

(01:45:58):
die hard college basket ball fan. Um, I don't get
Sam isn't giving me big confidence vibes In this one,
he's shaking his head, he's he's smirking. Um. So I'm
gonna hold off on Ethan. Okay, Ethan's pointing at me.
Does that mean that he wants to be a lifeline.

(01:46:20):
I'll tell you what. I'm gonna go to Iowa, Sam, Iowa,
Sam is a lifeline. Do you feel confident? I think
those are the two teams. So we have the A
A C. I feel good and I we have the
W C C. I feel good. Yeah. Florida Atlantic, I
believe plays in the sun Belt for basketball. It's a
Sun Belt or Conference USA, Conference USA. You're right, it

(01:46:41):
is Conference Usay alright, Sam and I have consensus, maybe
because I peer pressured him into it. Right, you're right.
I'm gonna say Conference USA is the third of four? Uh.
College of Charleston. Is it like the Swack? I don't know.
No swack is hbc U. I think it might be
like so cold, But we're gonna stay away from Charleston.
We agree on Conference USA and SAM, W C C

(01:47:05):
and A A C. We're in those. How many do
we need? Three or four? Three? Show me the A C. Yes,
Houston number one probably won't be tomorrow, but they're in
the rankings. Show me the West Coast Conference, yes, consegutive,
it won't be number six when the new pool comes
out tomorrow, and show me Conference USA. There they are

(01:47:29):
Florida Line. Great work, great more support in the background there.
I appreciate you guys. And this is completely threw me
off College at Charleston or just Charleston as they're now known. Colonial. Yes,
I would never have guessed that. I would never have either.
I was actually along. I'm like, yeah, are they Are

(01:47:50):
they in the Atlantic Sun where you know? And in
the Southern Conference where was it? And uh not in
the Colonial? So good job by you guys. Three full
points that one five so far. The ability to hit
the over with Ethan Miller as your final lifeline. Are
you ready, Aeron Torres? Ready as I'm gonna be, Let's
do it. How boys had the punt by the way

(01:48:10):
on their first possession, so the Niners getting the football back?
Named four or five teams that have played Super Bowls
hosted in Arizona. Four or five teams super Bowls hosted
in Arizona. Okay, so this is I can get two
right away. Patriots and Giants were that classic uh Mario

(01:48:31):
mant not Mario Manning him David Tyree game that was
in Arizona. So I feel confident in Patriots and Giants, Ethan?
Do you have any strong opinions on this one? All right?
I remember in Arizona. I remember the Steelers played in Arizona.
I'm pretty sure Steelers. Would that have been at the Cardinals?
I can't remember? Come on, hold this thought because I'm

(01:48:56):
I'm picturing. What year was it? I remember Arizona was
about five or six years ago. Okay, Ethan, we're gonna
talk this out. Okay, last Super Bowls Bengals? It might
have been the Seahawks. Okay, real quick, let's do this.
Bengal Chiefs, Bengals. Whoever was last year? Rams Chiefs? Bucks
was in Tampa? Chiefs? Who to the Chiefs play San Francisco?

(01:49:20):
That was in Miami? Who was the year before the Chiefs?
It was Patriots? Whatever? The Patriots or out? So let's
not include them. Who was the you know what? I don't.
We don't have enough time to figure this all out.
They're gonna have to give me a final answer at
some point. Aeron Torres, maybe try Rams, Pats. No, no, no,
that was New Orleans. Um, so it's I'll say Patriots, Giants.

(01:49:43):
You can confirm those two. Well, I think about the
other ones. Man, somebody's calling in to trying to get shoot.
So I just can't remember recent Super bowls before that?
Who else? Who else from the a f C has
played in the Super Bowl besides the pay troots in
the Chiefs the last couple of years outside of Cincinnati.
Cincinnati doesn't count. You talking to me, He's talking to

(01:50:07):
he's talking to me, and I'm over here, I'm the Eagles.
That was not a that was not Arizona. Right, my
whole child, my whole life, it's been the Patriots. That's
aren't you from Philly? The NFC? When did they they
played in Minnesota? Seventeen? And who did the Rams play?
And they played the Patriots? A H Seahawks And I'm

(01:50:31):
gonna do uh? I really thought it was Steeler Seahawks,
Steeler Seahawks. Final answer. Okay, show me the Patriots, show
me the Giants, show me the Seahawks they play the
Patriots in Super Bowl forty nine. And show me the
Steelers they played the Cowboys in Super Bowl thirty in

(01:50:54):
Sun Devil Stadium. There it is Ethan Miller coming through
as a lifeline territories. What a day for Temple. Nine
out of ten the Niners are driving, and in Cowboys
Territory he's aratorres, I'm damfire. It's all next year on
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