Aaron Torres and Jason Martin talk Kyrie Irving and Sean Payton!

Aaron Torres and Jason Martin talk Kyrie Irving’s latest trade demand, Sean Payton’s fit with the Denver Broncos, Tom Brady’s second retirement, the NFL QB carousel, and much more!

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should be Errantors in the l A. Fox Sports Radio,
Tirax Studios, Jason Martin in the Nashville Tireraxt Studios, Jason,
what's going on? Man? What's happening? Man? There's been a
lot of basketball on TV today. Really, this is like
sort of the calm before the storm. We have the
I guess fun to come with the Pro Bowl games
or whatever that's happening tomorrow. But it's kind of been

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a basketball weekend, has it not? Well? Sort of? H
I do want to lead with bastball in a minute.
But I was telling the guys Martin and VJ before
I came in, like, this has to be this has
to be the easiest show that we will ever prep
for all year long, right because we got the Lebron
top that we're gonna get to in a minute. That
has been a story all week long. We got the
Kyrie story that broke last night. We got a new
twist on the Kyrie story within the last hour or so.

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Tom Brady retires. We got a Super Bowl. We have
uncertainty with Aaron Rodgers. We have uncertainty in San Francisco.
Like I got a head coach, You've got a head call.
I didn't even mention Shaw paying what. We got a
super Bowl winning coach go to Denver. It's like, you know,
during the during the season. Um, you know, there's obviously
so much with the games to break down, but from
a storyline perspective, it feels like we're gonna be wall

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to wall today for the next four hours. We're taking
until two a m. Eastern. We got plenty to start with,
and so let's start with it because, as you said it,
it does feel like, you know, that time of year.
We obviously have one more football game, which we will
be discussing throughout the show tonight. But big stories, you know,
really across sports this week outside of the NFL have
come in basketball. College hoops is starting to ramp up.

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We had a first Duke Carolina game today, maybe even
discussed that in a little bit, but obviously, in the NBA,
the big story continues to be lebre On james pursuit
of Kareem Abdul Jabbar's all time scoring record. Lebron tonight,
in a game that went final about an hour hour
and a half ago, had twenty seven points against the
New Orleans Pelicans. He is now just thirty six points

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away from Kareem breaking Kareem Abdul Jabar's all time scoring record.
And Jason, let's get into it because I will say this,
I have a couple of hypotheses. Hypothesis is if you will,
I don't know what the right word is there on
why this isn't a bigger story or doesn't feel bigger.
And I will say, I think it's starting to feel
a little bit bigger as we inch closer to it.

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But we are talking about, you know, maybe not one
of the most talked about records, you know that, like
there are records that that are more discussed, but it
feels like, you know, this is an iconic record in
terms of what you have to do to to to
pass Kareem. You have to be so great for so long.
I mean, Lebron bursts on the scene in the winter

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of two thousand three and as basically been you know,
elite since then. He I believe, a triple double in
his second game in the NBA, and he basically hasn't
slowed down, never had any real major injuries to speak of,
and we're now in year twenty, year nineteen, whatever it is,
and he is still going strong. I bring all that
up to say, this is what you have to do
to put yourself in the same company as Cream Abdul Jabar.

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Yet it does feel like it has been a relatively
quiet conversation as to the fact that he is set
to break this record, maybe as early as Wednesday of
this week or Tuesday of this week. Excuse me against
the Oklahoma City Thunder. Why do you think or do
you think? Let me just ask you. Do you feel
like this is getting the coverage that you expected or thought?
Because I do feel like this hasn't been talked about

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as much as I would have expected coming into the season.
I would say this, I would say, maybe the reason
why you feel that way, and I don't think you're
wrong to feel that way, is because there's nothing surprising
about this, because it didn't come out of nowhere. It's
not something that all of a sudden three weeks ago
we realized or a month ago we realized that this

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guy might actually do this. It's like no, we we
it's almost, oh, he's gonna do that. Well, of course
he is. Well it's it's so it's interesting, right, So
like what the the opposite analogy would be, like Aaron Judge, Like, no,
and by the way, we know sixty two isn't really
the record, but our sixty one isn't really record. But
so so your point is on Aaron Judge, and nobody
saw it coming in April and May, so when we
get to June, July, August, we get excited about it

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as opposed to this, which we've basically known as coming
for years. That what you're essentially saying, yeah in in effect,
but I mean, we know Lebron James is good, like
real good, like since day one in the league, he's
been excellent. So any record he breaks at this point
doesn't really move that much of a needle because anything

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he breaks, you almost are saying, well, of course he
broke that one. Oh cool, Oh that one too, okay cool, Yeah,
Like all of this sort of makes sense and to
your point about Kareem and what it takes to to
get to this point. One of the things that Lebron James,
and this has changed a bit in the last few
years as he's aged, but he has been uncharacteristically healthy

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for a player that plays with the level of physicality
and power that Lebron has since he entered the n
b A, He's been able to stay healthy, play a
lot of games. We talk a lot about load management.
We buried load management as a matter of fact over
the last couple of weeks on this very program. Lebron
James was somebody that played a whole lot of games

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and played him at a high, high level, and it
puts him in position to do this within the confines
of his career. You're not gonna see a whole lot
of other people do this as long as the load
management rules don't change. When that shifts, maybe in the
next collective bargaining agreement and they're able to do something
about it, that might change it. But Lebron played in

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the last real era where this is doable for somebody
that does not try to take nights off. So I
think him being healthy and him being that good is
why this has happened. But I just think it did
lacks the surprise factor or the wow factor because it's
almost like everything is inevitable. He's basically Thanos at this point. Yeah,

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I I I think there's something to that I hadn't
really considered that is, oh, it's just another record, um.
I I have kind of a little bit of a
different theory. And it's interesting because you know, obviously I
I thought about this long before, but I saw a
Rashmar Kazi, who is a long time reporter in the
l A. Area. He was actually just tweeting about this
before we came on the show, and he said, uh,

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you know, I'm trying to find the exact tweet that
he said, but essentially he said that that one um
only about twenty percent or so, maybe even a little
bit less of of his points. Lebron's points are as
a laker, and so I think there there's a few
factors here. I do think if he was an all
time great that had essentially played, I think actually go

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back to the first one. I think the first one
is the team isn't winning, and it feels as though,
you know, like like winning is taking a backseat to
the pursuit of this record. Now, I don't think Lebron
doesn't care about winning, um, And I'm not saying like like,
I'm not saying that he doesn't care about winning, But
what I am saying is it does feel like, you know,

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the record isn't as awesome, you know, when the team
isn't good, right, Like it's not as cool for James
Harden to average thirty six a game when you get
bounced in around one of the playoffs, and it doesn't
mean anything, you know. And so I think there's that
part of it. And then I think the second part
of it is if you aren't winning, it would mean
a little bit more if you had more equity with

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your organization. It doesn't mean that Lebron has zero equity
with the Lakers, but he isn't an all time Laker.
He isn't an all you know, a guy that's been
there for twenty years and you can kind of just
celebrate this with him because you've been along for the
journey the entire time. Right we think about the way
the late Kobe Bryant retired where you know he was
at the end, but you celebrated everything as a Lakers

(08:03):
fan because it's like, man, we've been with this guy
from the beginning. Same with Dirk in in Dallas. You know,
Dwyane Wade, I know he had kind of a stop
in you know, he was in Miami forever, then he
went to Chicago that he came back to Miami at
the end. With Lebron, I just feel like, because you're
not winning, it takes a little bit out of it.
But then I think the other part two is because
you're not a lifetime guy there, like you can't like

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like it's not as though the fan base is just
so happy to kind of see these major accomplishments. I
don't know if all that made sense, but I think
that those two things are to me what stands out
about why I kind of feel like this isn't as
big of a deal at least, you know, I don't know.
I don't think it's as big of a deal as
I would have expected it to be. The not winning
point is definitely there miss the idea of you know,

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the m v P going to the losing team in
the finals or something like that. As good as that
guy was, that's not generally a thing that happens. And
it's really easy to argue against. And to the second
point you made, this is the Lebron James record. It's
not a Lakers records a Laker to get there too, exactly. Yeah,

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that's that's absolutely true. So it's not something you're gonna
embrace like Laker Nation doesn't embrace this record and hasn't
been prepared for it for years or talking it up
or anything to that degree, because Lebron has always kind
of felt almost he's felt to me more mercenary than
he has like pure bred Laker and that's not I mean,
that's just the way business is done now. I mean,

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they're they're very few guys. I could see Patrick Mahomes
playing his entire career in Kansas City, but that's gonna
be that's gonna be the exception, that's not going to
be the rule. And for Lebron James, he made business
decisions and he made basketball decisions. He went to Miami
because he might have peaked with the group and the
way things were structured in Cleveland around him the first time,

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and then he was able to go back there and
bring them a championship, which I thought was important. I
think this would feel different had he not gone to
a third team, I would say that if he had
stayed in Cleveland after taking the sojourn to Miami, winning
a couple of titles and coming back and then winning
another championship for a team that's not used to winning
championships and a city that have been starving forever to

(10:13):
win a pro sports championship, I think that would be
different him going to l A. I just I would
say that there would be a massive rallying cry behind
him if this was happening all in Cleveland, this second act,
the fact that he's bounced around as many have, and
more power to him for making the choices that he

(10:34):
has made. But I do think that that just makes
this a very personal record as opposed to something that
is as embraceable for one fan base. Now I agree
a percent, and and you know, listen, this isn't you know,
tear down Lebron moment. And yeah, I was gonna say,
I do think that's one thing, and I've said this
since probably literally maybe the first month that he's been

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a Laker, but I think that was something that I
don't know that he necessarily anticipated when he got here.
I remember it might have even been the first media
day that the Lakers had with him as a Laker,
and he said something to the effect of, you know,
they they said something. It was maybe not the first
press conference, but it's pretty early onward. They said, do
you feel an obligation to bring the Lakers a title?
Do you feel an obligation to bring the Lakers this?

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That the other thing he said, you know, my resume
speaks for itself. I don't really you know, I'm not here.
I don't have anything to prove to anybody. And at
that moment I said, well, Lebron, you really kind of
do though, because Lakers fans don't really care about what
you accomplished in Cleveland or Miami. They they you will
be defined as a Laker by what you do as
a Laker. And so, you know, he has the championship

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and we can debate is it a real one? Is
it not. I I have no fundamental issue. It was.
It was what it was. Somebody had to win it
that year. I'm not going to discredit him for doing it.
But that is one thing that I've always felt like.
I don't know if if maybe he's figured it out
since he's gotten to l A but that was one
thing that I always felt like Jason was that he
maybe didn't have the full understanding. You know, he saw

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it as this is my quote unquote legacy play, This
is my last up. You know, this is part business,
this is part basketball, this is part being an icon
for an iconic franchise. But you know, haven't lived here
for as long as I have in l a over
a decade now. Um, you know, Lakers fans are very
insular from the perspective of they care what you've done
as a Laker. They don't. They don't care about you know,

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you and your history and you're this or you're that.
They they want you to perform as a Laker. And
if I say that he has n't, not say these
terrible it's not say that he's overrated, it's not say
any of those things. But I do think that's probably
all wrapped up into again, why this doesn't feel as
big as it could or should. Yeah, I think I
think all that's true. I think that I think the
legacy point, I don't know that Lebron didn't understand it.

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I think he made a move that was a non
basketball move. I believe that at the time that he
was doing this to get closer to movie producers, closer
to Hollywood, to build that brand, to build his future.
His legacy was going to be larger than the sport
of basketball in his own mind. And I don't necessarily
think he's wrong, by the way, but I think that's
one of the things that appealed to him about doing that.

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But I do think that there is something to be
said for that and the idea of you know, I
care about what you do for me. If I'm a
Lakers fan, I care about what you do for this
organization once you get here. That's the same reason I
don't agree with, like you pay the veteran big time
legacy money. It's like I don't care what you've done before.

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Like as a businessman, I'm paying you for what you're
about to do. If I'm gonna go acquire an aging player,
he might have been a stud at one point in
his career, right Like I can go get Cam Newton
right now. Cam Newton's a former m v P in
the NFL. But I'm not paying Cam Newton big money.
A matter of fact, I'm not gonna put them on
my roster because I don't think there's value there. I
don't get a single victory, I don't get a single

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first down. I don't get one passing yard from anything
Cam Newton has done before he comes to my organization.
So I think there's truth there. Also, this is Fox
Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday again. Lebron James uh In
a loss tonight to the New Orleans Pelicans did put
up twin seven points now thirty six points away from

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Kareem Abdul Dbars scoring record. Kareem Abdul Jabbar. I don't
know why I tripped over that name right there. Fox
Sports Radio errant towards Jason Martin coming up. I'll say
this for Lebron, may get the scoring record next game,
may get a new teammate. By the end of this week.
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Just spent some time talking about Lebron James, now twenty
or thirty six points away from breaking Careem Abdul Jabbar's
all time scoring record. He had twenty seven points tonight

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in New Orleans. But as is pretty common around not
only the Lakers, but any team that Lebron plays for,
there's always the uh, you know, the story arcs outside
of the actual games themselves. And we got another one yesterday, Jason.
So yesterday, uh, a few days before the NBA trade deadline.
NBA trade deadline is Thursday, we gotta report. I want

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to say about two o'clock Eastern time, maybe it's probably
about eleven and eleven thirty Pacific. That are old buddy
Kyrie Irving, who we hadn't really heard from, had been
a good soldier, really had stayed out of trouble. It's ironic.
I remember you and I were on air during that
weird dust up with Nick Fernell that became the huge
story that week, and then he gets suspended and blah
blah blah blah blah and this and that. Um, it

(16:13):
had been a couple, you know, kind of weeks that
are quiet in the world of as Kyrie Irving turns.
But Friday afternoon, Kyrie Irving does demand a trade. Now
I you know, I have kind of my half baked
X Files conspiracy theory on this one. But what did what?
What did you? What was your reaction when you first
saw the news that Kyrie Irving had demanded the dream

(16:37):
the biggest eye roll this side of the Undertaker in
his prime? Like this? What are you supposed to say
about this? Like I we talked yesterday a little bit,
so I kind of know where you're about to head.
And I'm curious to just kind of hear you lay
it out here on the air. But at this point,

(16:58):
it's just like you talking about not being surprised. We
talked about that in the first segment about the Lebron deal.
And maybe that's why it doesn't feel that big, because
it's just felt inevitable for so long, because he's been
healthy for so long and been this good for so long.
Kyrie being disgrown on, unhappy, dramatic, all of this kind
of stuff. When has this not been the case He's

(17:20):
been in Brooklyn and pretty much ever since, it's been
disaster after disaster, some self inflicted, some you know, going
back to the state of the country at the time,
and him taking a stand, and all of this stuff
has led the Nets to virtually no success. I don't
care how many points he's averaging this year. He's actually

(17:40):
having a good year. If you look at his numbers,
he can still play. We know what a baller he is.
I don't want that dude anywhere near my franchise. I
know Lebron wants him. He won a championship with Lebron.
Maybe that can fix it. I am not bringing whole
COVID nine nine six he'll turn into my organization and

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expecting that the n w oh, We're gonna go on
a two year terror and win championships. It's just not
my this is not my bag, I said, I said
yesterday to human Bow in the text chain. I just
said quickly, I was like, I request a trade of
Kyrie irving to another universe, maybe one that's flat. Maybe
maybe maybe a planet that's flat somewhere in there where

(18:23):
maybe he can find happiness there, because apparently he can't
seem to find contentment or just avoid drama anywhere in
the continental United States. So, you know, I don't know.
I guess my opinion on this has changed a little
bit since the initial news, because when the initial news
came out, I will say, you know, last week I

(18:44):
thought I did a pretty good job of of sniffing
out that that BS Jim Harball report. I thought at
the time it was to put pressure on somebody else
to take the job. Maybe it was Sean Payton, whatever.
When I first saw the Kyrie news, I did think,
does this guy really want to trade or does he
just want his extension with the nets and he's not
gonna get it. For people who don't remember even last offseason.

(19:08):
He wanted it, the team wouldn't give it to him.
Then Durant demands a trade. Then Durant comes back. While
Durant demanded a trade, they tried to see if there
was a market for Kyrie. There really wasn't a market
for Kyrie outside of maybe the Lakers. But then you're
gonna take Westbrook's contract and blah blah blah blahlah blah
blah blah blah. So I still do kind of feel
like it is more Kyrie trying to use any leverage

(19:30):
that he has left to get that extension. And the
latest report that came out, and I had kind of
heard this, you know, probably three or four months ago,
so I don't know if it was ever officially reported,
but I want to give credit to to Ryan Rissilo
from The Ringer because he said this at some point,
is that the offer has been on the table for
Kyrie with the extension, but it kind of did come
with some caveats in terms of, you know, whether it's

(19:51):
games played or whatever. Um, basically, we're just not gonna
give you all the money without any kind of you know,
kind of protection from ourselves from you basically going full
on Kyrie and just deciding you don't want to play basketball.
So anyway, So so that story kind of comes out yesterday,
is that that the offers on the table, but there's
definitely some provisions. Um And I still kind of feel

(20:12):
that way, Jayson. I. I do still kind of feel
like I don't know if Kyrie really wants a trade
or whether he's just doing this to try to push
them to get the extension done before the trade deadline.
I guess what I would also say, though, is I
do think there is some smoke to what you just
said about the Lakers. The Lakers, you know, as we
just talked about like Lebron's kind of pursuing an all

(20:32):
time historic record and it doesn't really matter because the
Lakers are freaking terrible. Uh and right now they're in
thirteenth place in the Western Conference, and it's crazy because
ten teams technically make the Playoff with the play in games,
and the Lakers aren't even anywhere close to that, or
certainly I don't want to say they're nowhere close, but
they're not even in that conversation. So I guess what
I would say is, you know, if I had to

(20:53):
do a kind of pie if you will. Of of
how much do I think Kyrie actually truly genuinely walked
in there expecting to get traded. I would still say
it's like it's more about getting the extension than it
is about getting traded. But I don't want to dismiss
the fact that we've known since the summer lebron Is

(21:14):
opened up bringing back Kyrie. Lebron doesn't want Westbrook there.
Can we figure out a way to make this work.
So I think it's somewhere in the middle of trying
to get that extension in Brooklyn. But you know, if
you're gonna trade me, yeah, I am interested in the Lakers,
and I should mention really quick here too. By the way,
there was a report from major in Wildronowski ESPN that
the Clippers have been, you know, in pursuit, but that

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Kyrie does prefer playing for the Lakers, So you have
that element of it as well. But I guess what
I would say is my my opinion has changed a
little bit, but I do still think this is mostly
a leverage play from Kyrie. Irvan Bobby Mark's ESPN asked
about Kyrie's time in Brooklyn. I think it's important real
quickly to go over the history lesson, He says a

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disaster drama has replaced by basketball in the past four seasons.
So there was the nineteen twenty season when Irving called
out management that there was not enough talent on the
roster with the ran out for the year due to
his achilles following season, well, real quick, remember he tried
to blow up the bubble. Remember the bubble happens, He's
not able to play because he's hurt, and he's not

(22:18):
gonna go. And because he's hurt, and obviously with the bubble,
remember they weren't trying to bring people that they weren't
trying to bring more people that weren't going to play,
so he's not going. And then he tries to blow
up the bubble, saying we need to focus on other priorities,
not basketball right now. And everybody kind of told him, hey, man,
we gotta play basketball, so keep going. But I don't
want to dismiss that because that was a thing as well,

(22:39):
no kidding. The following season, Irving left the team with
an unexcused absence, eventually getting fined in Irving missed an
extended period because of the vaccination rules in New York City.
Then there was last offseason when he explored sign and
trade options before he was suspended this season after his
tweet linking to an anti Semitic documentary. That's four years, man,

(23:02):
that is four years. I don't even know how many
playoff series they've won. I think it's like one they want. Yeah,
they've done virtually second nothing he is and it even
says the last thing Mark says, and Marx was a
front office guy for a long time. Irving is an
All Star and a max player, but only on a
one year contract. Again, you get sucked right on into

(23:22):
this because you know how good a basketball player he is.
Can you put up with it? I would suggest outside
of Lebron James, not a single team can put up
with this. Well, I'll tell you what that was actually
going to be. My next question is we keep seeing
these reports of all these teams that are interested. Is
anybody actually interested? I want to continue that conversation next, Jason.

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I'll tell you what we'll discuss that. Do want to
throw it over to the news desks first time this evening,
Steven Segre was trending. Hello, gentlemen, looks like Steph Curry
has headed to the locker room after bumping knees with
an opponent in the lane. It's been a blowout for
most of the night for the Warriors against the Dallas
team that does not have Luka don sits tonight or
Monday due to a bruised heel of Mavericks are winless
this season without him. Got nine minutes left, Golden stayed

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up one oh four ninety three. Now Curry with twenty
one point seven assists. The other late games at Denver
about five minutes to go third quarter, Nuggets ahead of
Atlanta eighty six to seventy one. Jamal Murray twenty seven
points for the Atlanta Hawks. Trey Young out tonight due
to illness. At Oklahoma City, Shay giljis Alexander forty two
points in a win against Houston one fifty three to

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one twenty one. Houston's record thirteen and forty. Detroit lost.
The Pistons are fourteen and forty lost at home to
Phoenix Clippers one in overtime. At New York. Victories for
Chicago and Milwaukee. Milwaukee Bucks have won seventh straight. New
Orleans ended a ten game losing streak beating the Lakers
one thirty one, one six, and Brooklyn came from twenty

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points down in the third quarter to beat Washington one
five one twenty three. Cam Thomas forty four points off
the bench. Kyrie Irving was out they quote sort half
tonight after he just asked to be unquote. He was
not on the injury list this morning or last night.
We can say that much for sure. In college hoops,
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Tennessee a forty six forty three winners against Auburn was unwatchable.
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The two teams from three point range combined were five
for forty eight. Virginia Tech upset number six. Virginia. Texas

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Arizona's a forty seven twenty one over Oregon State. Earlier
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Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday in towards jaspart Company Live
from the tirect dot Com studios. Before the break, we
were talking about Kyrie Irving. Everybody's seen it trade demand yesterday.
The latest as of yesterday was that the Lakers, MAVs

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and Sons would be interested. And then right before we
came on air, Adrian Ozanowski a report that the Clippers
are now in the mix as well. And Jason, I'll
tell you you know, my thought was and is the
same as yours is I do, you know. Like I said,
to be clear, I still think it's it's it's a
leverage play in Brooklyn to get a contract extension there.

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But what I would also say is I think the
other thing that we have to consider, even if it
isn't like you know, you people in life like you
can make a demand, but like your employer could just
say no, or there has to be a market for you,
right Like I could go to our bosses and say
I want this much money and this, this, this and this,

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and they'd be like, Okay, you're you're absolutely entitled to
ask for that, but we're not gonna give it to you.
And nobody else in the market is gonna give it
to you. So you can take a hike, you can
test the market, but you're not gonna get it. So
that's kind of my thought is like, Okay, Kyrie asked
for a trade. Maybe it's for leverage, maybe it's because
he actually wants out, And I could see where the
Lakers would be interested. What I can't see is why

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anybody else would be interested. Because here's the thing. The
Brooklyn Nets are in fourth place in the Eastern Conference
right now, So if he's quitting forget all of the
other stuff that you just said, and you laid it
out beautifully everything that he's done since he got to Brooklyn,
and that doesn't include quitting on the Celtics and demanding
a trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers. But if you if
you trade for a guy that's quote unquote unhappy in

(28:08):
a situation where they're in fourth place and comfortably in
the playoffs, what makes you think that he isn't gonna
quit on your team that is pursuing a playoff versus
So there's a lot there taking whatever direction you want.
But I just think you know you can demand anything
you want, doesn't mean you're getting it. That's that's where
I I'm with you a million percent. I don't want
the guy if I'm one of these other teams, Like

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I'm looking at the Clippers, I'm like, what who are
the vets on the Clippers that want to deal with
this chaos? Who are who are the guys that that
play on that roster and this organization they're gonna benefit from? Kyrie? Like,
if you want to what are the Clippers? The Celtics
that didn't work for Boston? And Boston had some adults
in the room, and it's still didn't work there. Why

(28:50):
would it work with the Clippers, the Sons. There's just
too much volatility there, There's too much issues there. This
is why I say, and I'm not even sure Lebron
even knows what he's getting because the Kyrie that he
knew may not be the Kyrie that has gone through
what Kyrie has gone through, much of it because of
his own doing, oh this last stretch, this last few years,

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especially in Brooklyn. But if there is anybody that might
be able to thrive with Kyrie, it's Lebron James. It's
not even the Lakers, it's Lebron James. He's the only
one I think that might be able to keep Kyrie
in the right lane to be able to do something. Now,

(29:32):
do I think that makes them title contenders? Not really,
but it makes them a much better basketball team on
the floor. The drama Lebron Lebron. Lebron is no stranger
to having drama around him. The Lakers franchise is the
glitzy franchise, So you've got the royal family there, all
of that. That's the only place where it makes a

(29:53):
bit of sense. Anywhere else it's gonna be a disaster
all over again. It's gonna be the exact same thing.
And you better pray Like you made the point Kyrie
would prefer to go to the Lakers, Well you better
darns you're send him where he prefers, because you don't
want to put him somewhere he doesn't want to be,
because that's gonna be bad for you. Even if you
think he can play for you, he'll find a way

(30:14):
not to, or he'll find a way to do something
else that's gonna submarine your franchise. The guy, to me
is poison. Lebron James is the only one that I
could almost see saying, you know, I could make this work,
and I could almost believe that he could. Outside of
that no way. Him and Durant we're best friends when
Katie went there, and that hasn't worked out well at all.

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So other than Lebron, I think everybody else should be out,
and I hope they are out. I hope a lot
of this. I hope you're right. Hope it is a
leverage play in many respects because I can't imagine intelligent
front offices and intelligent basketball players on these other teams
wanting to join the Kyrie experience in their city. Yeah,
And I would add one last thing on this topic,

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And I don't think it's something people are taught king
about and I think they should. And I don't understand
why this isn't the first high profile trade demand that
the Nets have gotten. Oh I don't know, in like
the last eight months, Kevin Durrett to match trade and
the owner was just like, no, we're not trading you, Like, like,
you go find us a deal where we get back
what we want, uh, a fair trade, then we'll change you.

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But there's nothing out there that is gonna get us that.
And I kind of think it's the same thing with Kyrie.
People keep telling me um and you know, I'll tell
you what next segment. We'll bring in producer both the
Lakers expert to to get to weigh in on this.
But my whole thing is this, Okay, Everyone's like, well,
you know what I mean, if he wants to be trade,
you gotta trade them, go get Westbrook. It's like, what
did I just say? They're currently in fourth place in

(31:41):
the Eastern Conference right now, And it's like, if you're
the owner of this team and you already know listen,
Kyrie is a little bit, a lot, a bit aloof
but we're still winning games. Like, why am I just
gonna trade him to get rid of him, to bring
back whoever? And the other thing that I keep thinking
is like this might be stoopid it and maybe this
doesn't matter, but keep in mind, like you make the playoffs,

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that's you know, potentially a lot of revenue for the organization.
Now if you get swept in round one and you
only play two playoff games, but you get Katie back
all of a sudden, now you're potentially winning the series.
You're potentially going in second round. You're not beating Milwaukee,
you're not beating Boston. I get that in the seven
game series, you're probably not happening. But like this idea
that they're just gonna tank the season and give up
when they're in fourth place in the Eastern Conference right now,

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in position to host playoff games in round one, Like I,
I just think there's a lot more variables than just well,
Kyrie wants to be traded, so you gotta trade him.
So I'll tell you what, let's come back, let's wrap
up the Kyrie stuff. Will bring in producer Bow, He'll
share his thoughts. He's he, of course, is the Lakers
of ficionado. Uh and Jason. I'll chime in as well
more Kyrie, because goodness is they're allowed to talk about

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Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio aera
towards Jason Martin here recording live from the tire rack
dot Com studios. For the break, we're talking a little
bit about Kyrie Irving. Obviously on Friday demanded a trade.
The latest is that the Clippers are now in the
mix along with the Box, and that the Box, when

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I say the Bucks, the Sun's, the MAVs, and the Lakers,
Jason and I seem to be an agreement. It feels
like Lakers or bust. Even in the Clippers report, it
did say that Kyrie Irving, UH preferred the Lakers, and
that feels like maybe somebody trying to create a market
so that the Lakers have to actually go get them.

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But I want to bring in somebody else. I wanted
to bring in our our Lakers expert here, producer Bo,
longtime Lakers fan. I mean, you obviously got opinions on it.
What was it, Bo? What was your first thought when
you saw this report yesterday I wasn't surprised at all,
Like you can't be surprised about Kyrie Irving anymore. Um.
But also like Lakers fans have been, you know, screaming

(33:53):
at Rob Lincoln to do something all year, but this
is kind of what they've been holding out for. Uh,
you know, a big name player become available, uh, someone
that they can realistically acquire to um. Yovan Buha the
Athletic has mentioned that the Lakers are willing to do
everything they can to get Kyrie. Um. They would certainly
be routing Russell Westbrook to another team, not the Nets,

(34:17):
so he wouldn't be in he be. I think the
most common ideas that Utah would be involved. Part Utah
gets Westbrook and a first, and then the Nets get
players from Utah and another first. So I think it's
out there. I don't I don't buy the Clippers because
it's just a little bit too convenient. And like like

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you guys both said, the Lakers are the only team
that need Kyrie Irving, like the Clippers will be just
fine without him. The MAVs, I don't think the MAVs
want to pay him, and the MAVs are unsure about
how he would fit in with Luca, and everybody should
be unsure of how he would fit in because the
only time he's ever been successful is with Lebron James.
What I would say really quick to is that it
doesn't like like the difference between the MAVs and the Son,

(34:59):
the even the Suns, but really the MAVs and the
Lakers and the Clippers is like, the MAVs window is
not like right now, like the Lakers window is right now.
The Clippers, it's like, Okay, Kauai has this window where
he's healthy. Who knows how long that's gonna last. It
feels like that's why those two makes sense. And even
the Lakers, I think, to a degree, make even more sense.
I mean the Clippers for all the you know, the

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handwringing there in fourth place right now. Teams that are
ahead of them are Sacramento. Okay, Sacramento is a great story.
It's gonna be They're gonna be happy to be there.
They're not a real threat. Memphis, Okay, I'll see it
when I believe that they're a real threat. Denver, same deal.
I know Jamal Murray's back, it's a little bit different.
But the point I'm trying to make is just that, Um,
I don't know. I just like, like the MAVs don't
really make sense to me because I know they need

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a second superstar alongside Luca, but Lucas three, You've got
time to find the guy. And why are you gonna
bring this Kyrie in for four months potentially tank everything
and then he's gonna walk away. That one doesn't make
sense to me. Lakers do Clippers due to due to
a degree. I I just I think the Clippers make
more sense for like, you know, getting a veteran point
guard off the buyout market, like they're gonna they're gonna
buy out John Wall Uh. I just I don't think what.

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I don't see what they have to really offer that
just make either, right, Like why are you gonna bring
Kyrie to Logan That's not going to encourage the Kawhi
Leonard is not a leader. Like as good as he is,
he's not a leader. Like, so you're asking Paul George
to keep Kyrie Irving in check and I don't know
if he can do that. I just and you know,
the Lakers are in thirteenth and that was an abysmal

(36:24):
loss today to the Pelicans. Truly, but they are only
three games behind being in the top four in the West.
And really, I mean, for all the handwringing and the
you don't want to hear it, they got jobbed by
the Revs quite a few times in the last couple
of weeks where they could have had four wins easily,
and they're you know, in the top of the playoff picture,
and it makes all the sense in the world to

(36:44):
strengthen the roster with Kyrie, so I I think they
will most likely be the team to do it, because
they're the only team that really truly has a need
for Kyrie irving Um. But you know, there and then
there's all the baggage that comes with real quick what
would the Nets get back? Because I keep going back
to their in position to make the playoffs right now,
and even if Cattry is gonna leave after this year,

(37:06):
ride that wave, make the playoffs, get the playoff revenue,
and then you figure out next year, next year. The
hidden calculus and all this too is what is going
on with Kevin Durant. I think that's what the Sun's
interest is. I think the Sun's probably called to see
if they were gonna move k D rather than trying
to get Kyrie Irving. Um, I I would think that
you would, you know, you'd look for something from the
Jazz like Malik Beasley and Jared Vanderbilt er, you know,

(37:28):
guys that can help you now. But it's also possible
they're just tired of Kyrie Riving and one off this ride.
I mean, that's it's very possible. But why why not
wait in just until the off season? Like I mean,
I guess you get something, but you're not gonna get
like what are you going to get a value? I
don't I don't know if fans are fans are booing
him when they show him on the video board. There,
it's it's a it might just be a bad situation

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all around. Yeah, I just I still sit there and
I say, and I don't know the economics of it,
but both That's what we talked about all the time
in l A is the Lakers have to make the
play offs because the revenue that is created in the
playoffs is you know whatever, astronomical. I don't know what
the percentages or what the numbers are, but I just
can't imagine Brooklyn being in fourth place right now without

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Katie and you would know better than me. But weren't
they in first or second place when Katie was healthy?
Maybe third place? I don't know, but they were playing
really well and to just give it all up, Oh
Kyrie wants a trade, Well, we gotta get rid of them.
Will take picks and a bench player will take, you know,
picks and Colin Sexton from the Jazz Like. It doesn't
make sense to me. It just it doesn't pass the
smell test um. I'm not saying that Kyrie didn't demand

(38:34):
a trade. I just don't know why the Nets are
in a rush just to get rid of them, uh,
just to get rid of them, to get anything back
in return to just I just don't know where this
turns it Like, I don't see how this helps Kyrie
get an extension when the Nets have been working on
that with him year and it hasn't come to fruition.
So I I mean, they traded James Harden last year

(38:56):
at the deadline. Uh, you know they they could do
it again with Kyrie. I think they probably will. It
just sounds like they're done. And you know you don't
linger with a breakup partner for six months just because
you couldn't find a new girlfriend right away. You know
what I mean. I mean I solid analogy. Sometimes things
get toxic, and even though if there are pros, you

(39:18):
still have to sometimes cut bait. I'll be curious gonna
do Yeah, I'll tell you. I think it'll be interesting.
I will say when the three of us started texting
at about you know, noon Pacific time on Friday, I
did think it was all a total ploy. Now I
do think there's there is probably one team that's genuinely interested.
It's just whether the Nets want to do it or not.

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I just, you know, and this is something I do
I have had a pretty good track record of. Like
I remember when Kauai was on the market. I remember
last year, you know, Anthony Davis was on the market.
It's like, just because somebody demands a trade doesn't mean
that you have to do it. If you're not going
to get something good. And especially Brooklyn, especially assuming Katie's
coming back, which all indications are that he is, I
just don't know why have to rush to do it.

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We obviously spent a lot of time talking NBA and

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our one Lebron James pursuit of cream until Jabbar, and
of course Kyrie Irving's trade demand. But it was somehow
like the busiest week of the year in the NFL
without a single game being played since last Sunday. And
so we'll talk about some of the results from Sunday
what they obviously mean next week in the Super Bowl.
But I want to start uh with I guess probably

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the second biggest story. I mean, Tom Brady retired, and
we'll get to that later on in the show. I
don't know that there's a lot of new ground to
cover there, since you know he did retire last year. Um,
but about twelve hours before that, Jason, Uh, you're Denver Broncos.
They were looking for a coach. They didn't have a
coach when we were on air last Saturday, they were
flying to Ann Arbor to meet with Jim Harball, even

(41:26):
though Adam Schefter then said there was no interest in
Jim Harbaugh, which was weird. I bring it all up
to say, what was it about Tuesday? What about five
pm Eastern? Four pm Eastern, Sean Payton Super Bowl winning
head coach was named the head coach of the Denver Broncos.
What do you? Where were you, Jason Martin, Mr Bronco,

(41:46):
Where were you when Sean Payton became your head coach
on Cloud nine? Around that point in Tom that in
the same orbit that you sent Kyrie Irving into earlier
in the show. That's that. No, he's nowhere near Cloud nine,
Like he's not a loud in the Cloud nine vicinity,
elsewise it would not be Cloud nine anymore. But this

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franchise needed a coach that had a track record, because
over and over my Denver Broncos have hired first time
head coach after first time head coach guys that have
been coordinators and it just has not worked. They haven't
been able to develop, especially in offense, seemingly in forever.
Kubiak's like the last the last one that was able

(42:30):
to do something. And then of course since Peyton Manning,
they haven't been able to find a quarterback on top
of that. Yes, they brought him Russe last year and
they brought in Nathaniel Hackett and the entire thing was
a disaster. So this is a cleanup job. And I
don't know how appetizing the job was for some candidates
who decided to stay put, or whether it was hardball,
whether it was Dan Quinn, or it was somebody like

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Damiko Ryan's that over the weekend, uh Nick Cosmitor and
other folks that covered the Broncos were saying he was
the guy they were talking getting. But then it was Houston.
He had a lawsuit against the Houston Texans in the past,
and he's now their head coach. So what were the
Broncos gonna do? Well? Originally, the first name that was
ever attached to the Broncos job in terms of who
they wanted was Sean Payton. Way back in the day

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they made the move with Hackett to create that opening
so that they could get ahead of some of the
other teams in the market for Sean Payton. Peyton wants
a lot of control, and he wants a lot of money,
and his track record indicates he is probably worth it.
He's probably worth a shot. If nothing else. If you're
a new owner of a franchise that has a ton

(43:36):
of money and not a whole lot of expertise when
it comes to sports, well you can look at that
and say that looks like a good bet to me.
And here's what Denver ultimately wants. They want to have
found their version of Andy Reid. Andy Reid who went
to Philadelphia but didn't win a Super Bowl there throughout
the time that he was there, but ran a great offense.

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No matter who was a quarterback, they found success. He left,
he went to Kansas City. We know what's happened since
Sean Payton's offenses were ranked in the top ten virtually
every year he was in New Orleans. Drew Brees was
fine before he met Sean Payton. Then he became elite.
You looked at what Sean Payton did even when he
didn't have Drew Brees, how inventive he was, how just

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he was able to seemingly outscheme defenses on a regular basis.
And you're a Denver bro you're somebody associated with the
Broncos in the front office, and you look at that
and you're like, yeah, that's what we need. We need
somebody help us score points, especially in that division where
we're staring at Justin Herbert twice a year, and we're
staring at Patrick Mahomes and since the Chargers, and if
I'm the Broncos, this is the way I'm thinking. And

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since the Chargers were dumb enough to stick with Brandon
Stay for another year while they could have opened up
their job for a Sean Payton to have gone in
potentially and coach Justin Herbert. Yet money whatever. We talked
to Bernie, and we know that's not a franchise that
generally spends money. Well, that's why there are franchise is
probably not gonna win a Super Bowl. Right. If you're

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the Denver Broncos and you have the capitol, the draft
pick whatever they were able to get a little something back,
that coach is gonna be worth more most likely than
the draft pick. If you get an Andy Reid type.
If you get somebody like that, it's a bet that
you had to make. And honestly is Sean Payton wants
a bunch of control and he's got it. He's the guy.

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He can tell Russ what for. You don't have to
run what Russ wants. You can run what Sean Payton wants.
If Russ is not in, Russell be gone after this season.
That kind of power, that's what you do. When that
guy is smarter than everybody else. I give him whatever
he wants because he's got a track record. I sound excited.
I am excited because Sean Payton knows what he's doing

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and he has had success everywhere he has been, So
I don't care about the caveats, the potential pitfalls. How
much worse could it get? Aaron, You take a big
swing sometimes, and I'm glad Enver was able to get
their guy and my guy now in Sean Payton. Really quick.
What was the stat about the defense, It was like
they'd beat They would have been you know, twelve and

(46:09):
five if they averaged you know, one points a game
instead of eighteen points a game or whatever like like. So,
so they're not that they're probably not as far off
as we think. But I think the last point that
you got to there is the most important one is
that I think you know, listen, you have to go
big for a few reasons, right. I think one is
the division. The window we just talked about it with

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in the NBA, but the window for the Broncos is
right now. You have a thirty five year old quarterback.
You're paying him a ton of money. You gave up
two first rounders in a second rounder or whatever it
was to get them, maybe two, two and two, I
don't even remember. But you have a lot of draft
capital to get him. You gotta win now. And I
think that's part of it. But then more importantly, and
we discussed this last week when when there was the
new Hardball, rumor at the time was you've got to

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bring in a guy that is going to be able
to look Russell Russell Wilson in the eye and say
this is how we're We're not doing it your way.
We tried it your way last year. It didn't work. Um,
you know, as ain't Seattle anymore. They needed somebody to
look him in the eye and and be able to
stand up to him and I'm not like you know,
there's a lot of Russell Wilson noise out there, and

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I don't know what is the truth and what isn't.
But what I do know is that you can't bring
in another coordinator, another first time head coach, another guy
who hasn't had success somewhere else, um, not just for
all the obvious reasons, not just because Nathaniel Hackett bombed,
but because again, it has to be somebody that can
look Russell Wilson in the eye and say this is

(47:34):
how we're doing it. This may be the way that
you did it last time, but it ain't gonna work
this time around. So I love the higher Obviously, the
division is really tough. I think, you know, there's another
conversation on another day to have about is this the
biggest mistake in Chargers history when they knew that this
guy wanted that job. We can discuss that another time,
But I think as far as the Broncos perspective is concerned,

(47:56):
that to me is the thing that stands out. You
had to have a guy that was gonna get walked
all over by Russell Wilson, and that's obviously exactly who
Champagne that's right. Like he has cloud. That is a
very important word. We we talked a lot about Lebron
in the first hour. Lebron at times has been able
to run coaches off right, whether it was uh, David

(48:18):
Blow or whoever it was that they have had through
the years that he has found a way. But there
are some coaches that he respect, some coaches that he
wants around, and that's the way stars are stars. A
lot of times they're used to getting their way. So
you've got to have cloud. I don't know that there
was another candidate in this cycle that could have gotten

(48:39):
the job other than Sean Payton that has the level
of cloud that even Russ is going to back down
if necessary. Now he may just fall right in line
and and have wanted Sean, and they're gonna work hard,
and we're gonna see the Broncos that we thought we
were gonna see potentially a year ago start to emerge
very early next see in with the new offense and

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healthy and all of that good stuff. We may see that.
But the fact that Sean Payton has cloud and he
can show off a Super Bowl ring matters. That's a
coach that even if you're Russell Wilson, you're like that
guy I probably should listen to, and that is that
is priceless. I don't care what it costs to have

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that back in your building. That's exactly what you had
to pay. And good on the Broncos for making the
proper choice. It really feels like the only choice. And
when you look at all of it and you look
at what it can mean, it feels like a bargain.
Like whatever you had to pay, it's gonna be worth
it if you have success. Again, that was an unwatchable

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football team and it's so painful to have to admit
that as a Broncos fan, it was hard to watch.
It was a tough, tough fall, a tough winner, and embarrassment.
And now you have flipped the script and at the
very least put yourself back in the back into conversation
for the right reason. And now we'll have to see

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how it plays. But we know what Sean Payton can do.
And it's not a fluke. It's not like it happened
for two years and you didn't know. We know exactly
what do you remember what the Saints were before Sean
Payton about what the Broncos are right now. They were worse,
but it's how and it speaks to what he could
potentially do, which kind of leads me to my next question.
Do you and I don't know, I remember, I remember

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if we talk about this last week, do you buy
into any of the narrative that Sean Payton is quote
unquote overrated? Um? You know, people, I think the argument
would be won a super Bowl in oh nine, never
made it back h one NFC Championship game post that
super Bowl run. I don't buy it. They were still
relevant until the bitter end, even without Drew Brees in
that last year. Um, and the team obviously fell apart

(50:46):
completely without him this year. I don't buy that at all.
Do you do you believe in that at all? That
that the guys a little bit overrated. Here's what I
would say is Aaron Rodgers overrated as a talent. Aaron
Rodgers went to Super Bowl, went to one super Bowl
and never got back. You look at the exact same
thing with Sean Payton as a coach, but Aaron Rodgers
year after year right up until this year, and of

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course as a player, your skills are gonna diminish a
lot faster than you as a coach. We know what
Nick Staban can still do in his sixties. We know
what Andy Reid is doing right now. Sean Payton's got
a whole lot of time left to coach if that
indeed is what he wants to do, and do it
at an extremely high the highest level. So if you
look at Aaron Rodgers talent and say, yeah, he's overrated

(51:30):
because he's won one Super Bowl, then you could potentially
make the Sean Payton argument. But the fact that he
had them, regardless of what else was happening injuries, uh,
personnel issues, salary cap wos, all of those things. The
fact that that offense was relentlessly year after year top
ten says a lot. And I would even point this out.

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Drew Brees not exactly the tallest guy. Russ isn't either,
But Sean Payton crafted an offense that played Debreezes straights.
And what is he said? What did he say? I
think it was to Cowherd, But he has said it
in a couple of different interviews over the past couple
of months when he was asked if you if the
Broncos were open, what would you do or if you
stepped in as a new head coach to Denver Broncos.

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What would you do? He says, Well, I'd get every
shot of Russell Wilson from Seattle, thirty yards and n
and I would make sure we had those lyrics in
our symphony. So he's already looking at it like I'm
gonna find out what Russ did well, and we're gonna
craft the offense based on what I think his skill
set is not necessarily what he wants to do, but
where I know he is likely to thrive. That sounds

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like a dude to me that knows exactly what he's doing.
That that sounds like a guy that understands offense. And
if there's one franchise in the NFL right now that
doesn't seem to understand offense, it's the one that just
hired that guy. This is Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday,
Errant Towards, Jason Martin, Company Life from the Entirect dot
Com Studios. Coming up. I want to talk offense, but

(52:58):
I want to talk one of the team that loss
last week and what's next for them. We'll discuss that next.
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at some point we're gonna talk about the you know,
the games themselves, you know, and really look ahead to

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next week. Maybe we do that to lead hour four.
But this this is the first time we've been on
since last Last Sunday's a f C NFC Championship games.
Two great games. I'll give you a ton of credit
because you I tried to make the claim if Joe
Burrow ds, well, we gotta say he's better than Patrick
mahomes Hey and you said Torres, they're both awesome. Don't
overthink it. And about in the way through the third

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quarter on Sunday, I did say to myself, why did
I ever try to make that argument? That was dumb. Anyway,
I bring it up to say, I actually want to
ask you about the other game because I thought, you
know that was that was a really good game, and
the a f C championship game was fun. Either team
could have won. Actually, let me let me just ask
you real quick. Did you have any like fundamental issue
with the refereeing or anything like that. The Joseph aside

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play I thought was the right call, and people said, oh,
there was holding from the chiefs on that. There's holding
on every play. Um, I didn't think the refs were
agreed in that game. I don't think the refs lost
Cincinnati that game. Did you have any fundamental issues coming
out of that game with what the result was and
how we got there? This is the NFC, the a
f C I'm talking about. No, I mean I didn't
like the officiating and either one of the games. I

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thought it was a terrible day of officiating across the board.
I thought they missed stuff. I mean, there were some
big time errors and they did look like they favored
Philadelphia in the first game, like the errors seemed to
benefit on my mean, not the officials necessarily, but in
the second game, it just it just was. It was
a sloppily officiated game more than anything. And the asside

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play I felt terrible for him, because I understand nothing
malicious was intended right there. He was trying to make
a play, was at full speed. Um, he was doing
everything that he could, and then he did something that
you can't do. And in this league, when you hit
a quarterback, it's probably and you hit him out of bounds,
it's probably gonna be a flag, and it should have

(55:28):
been a flag. I hate that the game was decided
that way, but unfortunately I hate the way many things end,
but they still have to end that way. Like, look, Bucker,
the ball went through Buckner's legs. That's not what you
necessarily wanted, but that's part of history. J R. Smith
called that time out like your fan or cav Cavs fan,

(55:50):
I should say against the Warriors in Game one, like
and that ended up costing you a big time deal,
or he made that dumb decision I should say, where
he went the wrong way with the basketball. I you know,
you look at all of these things. I hate that
it into that way, but it hadn't in that way
like that that Unfortunately, that's the play that was made,
and that's the call that had to be made right there.

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You have to protect these assets, these quarterbacks sometimes you're
over protecting when I get it, but I actually saw
some suggesting that was a flop, like no, no, I
don't think so hit him from behind, and it wasn't
like you hit him while one of his feet was
still in the playing field. He was clearly out of boundary.
Momentum carried you into him. I hate it, just like

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I hate running into the punter. But at the same time,
that's a rule. You can't do that, and unfortunately, that's
pretty much went into their season. But it's not just
that call. It's the fact that you had the ball
a minute and a half before that and couldn't do
anything with it. Like unfortunately the offense when you had
the opportunity to go win and it looked like maybe
Cincinnati was about to do just that, they got shut down.

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Best player on the field last week was Chris Jones.
That guy played the best game I've ever seen him play.
And he's already outstanding on a weekly basis, but that
defense stepped up, made a couple of opportunistic plays. But
he reminded me very much of Aaron Donald in the
Super Bowl in terms of the way that he took
it over late when it had to be there had

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to be a few plays made on Joe and he's
the one that made those plays and as a result
of Kansas City escapes and wins, I don't really have
much to add, um. I you know, I was watching,
you know, with family and friends, and so I wasn't
sitting there watching with a fine tooth comb and replaying everything.
But even as I was watching, you know, I hated

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that Joseph side play was what to find the game, um,
not to find the game, but basically sealed the win
for the Chiefs. But it was the right call. Like
I said, you can't claim and you can't whine about
holding because holding happens on every play. And I'm sure
if we went to the second quarter with eight minutes
to go, you could find the Bengals getting away withholding
as well. Um, And I thought, you know, the better

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team won. The Bengals had a chance to extend that
lead that settled for a field goal late or take
the lead. I really should say, uh, and weren't able
to do it, which obviously set up the game winning
field goal. But I want to switch gears and talk
to you really quickly, Jason about the other game, because
obviously look, you know, Philly wins and dominant fashion, and
it was just such a buzz kill with the Brock
Party stuff. He goes down early, you know, Josh Johnson

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goes down after that. By the end of the game,
Brock Party can't throw the ball. Um. You know, Christian
McCaffrey's taking snaps his quarterback. I just want to ask you,
I do think the situation San Francisco is interesting now
since since that game went final, um, since that game
went final. Uh. Kyle Shanahan has said that he doesn't
see a scenario where Jimmy Garoppolo comes back next year.

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And I don't think that's a surprise to anybody. I
don't think anybody really expected that. But I will say, like,
you know, I think there was this kind of understanding that, um,
whether Brock Party won that game or not, whether San
Francisco won that game or not, that Party had done
enough to keep that job into next year. And I
will say, like, now, I do feel like that's a
lot more Why open one, he's gonna have the he

(59:01):
has the elbow injury, which I know people say he'll
be ready for training camp, but you just don't know. UM,
And that injury has altered careers. I don't want to
say it's ended careers, ruined careers, but guys have had
that injury and not been a percent the same after that.
So I guess what I would ask you, like, what
do you think is next for San Francisco? Because I
do think there was this belief that pretty had done enough,

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he was gonna be the guy going into next season.
Now it just feels like, man, they're on this hamster
wheel again where Jimmy g wasn't the guy. He can't
stay healthy. Trey Lance has shown nothing that makes us
think he's the guy, but then he gets hurt. You
know he'll be healthy, but is he really the guy?
Then you think you have the answer in in brock Purty.
Now he's hurt. What do you think happens there next?
Because it just feels like they just can't catch a break, man,

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No they can't. I mean you talk about a team
with bad luck and a coach with bad luck. I mean,
Kyle Shanahan runs an awesome offense, but he can't get
a quarterback that's actually gonna be able to make it
through four quarters. It just doesn't seem to happen, and Purty.
That was a pretty cruesome injury when you saw and
it didn't look it didn't look as bad, and then
you find out the next day it's a ucl which

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is exactly, by the way, what Chase Daniel said on
social media. He said, this is what this looks like
to me. I had this. This is really painful. Yeah,
it sounds like it. Man. It sounds and looked like
he couldn't throw the ball more than you know, two
yards and those are basically push passes. Um, you gotta
figure something out here. I don't think Trey Lance is

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a Niner next year. I don't. I think that he's
gonna get moved. I'm not sure to where. I've seen
a few things. I even saw Mike Sando at the
Athletic or one of the people that was part of
his pick six columns say he's headed to Tennessee with
the new gm um who replaced John Robinson. Maybe. So,
I don't know. If I'm the Titans, I don't know
that that's what I'm hoping for either, if I'm Titan fan.

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But I look at that, I think Jimmy g is out.
I agree, Um, And then you look at obviously Josh
Johnson was just going to be a fill in there.
You've got to figure something out. It's now I could
be Tom Brady, which we'll talk about later. Also, brock
Party still feels like day one unless he's not healthy.
But you do need to go get yourself some kind
of a veteran like I don't know who it needs

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to be at, Jacoby Brissette, somebody like that. I think
Jacoby Brissette is a very underrated asset in the league
because when you saw the way that he played for
Cleveland when he had no business plan that well, and
this is not the first stop where he has played
effectively in relief. If somebody else, if Ryan Fitzpatrick could
help a football team for half a season, or if

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he could be a primary backup that could sometimes step
in and start when necessary, things like that, what he
had to do in Miami, what he had to do
in Tennessee, what he had to do with the Jets,
Where's wherever he's been where, what he did in Tampa Bay,
all of that is true. Uh, I don't see why
Jacoby Brissette can't be that type of player for you.
Somebody like that. I'm not necessarily saying it has to
be him, but they've got to go get a veteran

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guy who can back them up. They have to have
more than this that that's the answer. I even wondered
when when Purty got hurt and Johnson came in. The
first thing I ran through my head was who plays quarterback?
If he goes down? Does the punter have experience? Like,
you know, who is it that can step in and
do this? And then of course we find out it's

(01:02:14):
probably gonna be McCaffrey and all of this. They gotta
get this figured out. It's I mean, it's not like
Kyle Shannon is doing anything wrong with his quarterbacks, but
this is becoming almost comical, and how bad it is,
Like this is a tragic comedy to say the least party.
This isn't an injury that should dog him out. But
there's even that talk of, you know, trying to avoid

(01:02:35):
Tommy john surgery and all this other stuff that would
worry me significantly if I'm a member of the front
office with San Francisco. They've got to have something else.
So I think it's a Jacobe Brisette or somebody like
that that steps in that is at least a fail
safe kind of player, a Tyrod Taylor type, a Gardner

(01:02:56):
Minshoe type, somebody that can keep it on the tracks.
If that makes sense. I'll tell you what. There is
one name that you did not discuss, and I want
to get to that name next. But before we do,
let's toss over the news desk Steve de Sager, what's
trending to Hello, gentlemen, and thank you for mentioning Chris Jones.
What a superb season and game he had. And I

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hope people are not confused by what you say that
it's bad luck for the coach what he's seen with
his quarterbacks. The Niners did not lose last week because
of bad luck. Their offensive line got beat. That's why
the quarterbacks were out. Philadelphia was just better beat him
thirty one seven. Jalen Hurts sixteen and one as a
starter this season. So we got a week from Sunday
the Super Bowl on Fox TV with the Eagles against

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the Chiefs. Chief's defensive lineman Chris Jones is an All Pro.
This has nothing to do with the silly Pro Bowl
that's happening tomorrow. Aps voting every year for All Pro
that's both conferences combined, the best of the best in
the sport. There are fifty voters. Patrick Mahomes got forty
nine votes at a fifty for All Pro quarterback, Chris
Jones got forty nine votes at a fifty for the

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defensive line, Nick bosat votes at a fifty, Travis Kelsey
for the All Pro tight end fifty votes at a fifty,
and Justin Jefferson in Minnesota All Pro wide receiver at
fifty votes. As for the Chiefs, they got the late
field goal to beat Cincinnati to win the a f
C and Chris Jones had two of the five sacks
on Joe Burrow, including the key third down sack in

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the final minute with the game tied. Eagles tackle Lane
Johnson says he'll play in the Super Bowl next weekend
despite missing practice all this week with a groin andrey
he'll have surgery later. Chief's defensive back Lagarius Need was
still in concussion protocol. Forty Niners tackle Trent Williams says
he will play again next season and the year after.
He's a ten time Pro bowler who was, by the way,

(01:04:42):
find about thirteen thousand dollars for his unnecessary roughness, one
of the few instances where the Niners just lost it
as things went south in that game on the road
through an opponent down that cost him. As for the
Senior Bowl that was played in Mobile, Alabama. Today, kicker
Chad Ryland of Maryland four field goals in a ten

(01:05:03):
victory National Team over the Americans. Fresno State quarterback Jake
Haynter with a touchdown pass. The NHL All Star Game
won by the Atlantic Division. Today. We'll get to college
hoops in a moment, but everything's final in the NBA.
The late game goes to Denver. There dominant at home
and thirty seven and sixteen overall. Denver beat Atlanta one
one eight as Jamal Murray had forty one points. Nicola

(01:05:27):
Yokich was questionable with hamstring tightness and had a triple double.
Yes he played eighteen rebounds included at Golden State, Steph
Curry left with a leg injury. He had twenty one
points in a win over Dallas, again not closing out
games well, but at w this time for the Warriors
one nineteen, one thirteen as Dallas All Star guard Luka
don sits out tonight and Monday with a bruised heel.

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Oklahoma City one fifty three to one one winners against Houston.
Clippers won in overtime at New York. Victories for Chicago
and Phoenix Milwaukee one at seven Star Brooklyn was down
twenty and the third quarter without Kyrie Irving. He did
not play tonight, and the net still won three over Washington.
New Orleans ended a ten game losing streak beating the

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Lakers one, one, one six. Great matchup in the late
game in college hoops, it's at halftime in the West
Coast Conference, Gonzaga leads at St. Mary's thirty two twenty four. St.
Mary's is nine and oh in league play. Earlier it's
Arizona getting a victory u C l A one tonight
as well. There was the Tennessee game we mentioned from
earlier Today, second ranked vollst forty three winners against Auburn. Overall,

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each club shot about from the floor. Indiana beat number one,
produced seventy nine seventy four. I believe Connecticut played. I
saw the last two minutes of this where they don't
get me on my ranch. They stole a victory from Georgetown,
a team that has one in twelve in conference. By
the way, to Seger, I don't know if this is
a national radio topic. Did you just see what Jim

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Beheim just said in a in a in an interview
with the SPN today, this is today, after a game
he said, this is an exact quote. He said, this
is an awful place we're in in college basketball. Pit
bought a team. Okay, fine, my big Donor talks about it,
but he doesn't give anyone any money nothing. Not one guy.
Our guys make likes wake Forest bought a team, Miami

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bought a team. It's like, really, this is where we are.
That's really where we are, and it's only going to
get worse. The dude, first of all, that sounds like
Nick Saban off season. Well, first of all, Wake Forest
coach Steve Forbes already denied that. And if you, first
of all, if you look at Pit and you look
at wake Forest, like this is not Texas A and
M football. Okay, but as somebody who knows college basketball

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a little bit, they have nobody on their teams that
anybody would be getting into a bidding war over. So
you brought up George Town, He brought up a Yukon.
I figured this is just a good place to just
jump throw this in. Really quick. And by the way,
when you first brought this up, I'm thinking, oh, so
Beheim's actually gonna get sick and tired enough to retire.
I thought you were about it. Here's the other thing

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in the same article, where he's complaining about how awful
college basketball is, here's the other quote. I have no
other plans. This is to leave. Listen. This has been
a question of the day for fifteen years. This isn't
a new question. It's just a calendar going well, he's
seventy eight, it's just the calendar. If it wasn't the calendar,
if I was sixty five, no one would be saying anything.
And I'm not going to retire just because it's the calendar.

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Anything can happen, anything literally, or we'll just see what happens.
I don't say anything because I don't know. And he
told Pete Famlet that he would quote unquote probably be
back next year, and the decision is up to him.
The calendar and the win loss record. You know, I
looked this up the other day. They haven't finished in
the top five of their conference, not not, not not

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number one, not won the league. They haven't finished in
the top five of their conference. Since two thousand fourteen.
That's nine years. Even Mr Syracuse on this network, Jason
Smith told me in the hallways this week, I think
I think they're just done in the a c C.
And they need to get out. They can't compete with
the a c C is terrible. The a c C
is terrible. Of course they can compete. They need a

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coach that actually cares about something besides having something to
do when he gets out of bed in the morning.
I'll say this really quick on behead when we can
get back to actual NFL really quick after you this
is good? No, I agree, I agree, go right ahead. Well,
I'll say this and and Jason Smith would be the
best person to talk to about this. But this feels
like the year where I do think Queues fans have

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had enough. And and for people who don't know a
ton about the program, both of his sons were playing
in the program up until last year, and I think
kind of the understanding or the thought was that, you know, hey,
once his sons leave, he's I mean, he's he's not
going to actually come back and keep doing this. And
then his sons leave, and now he says he wants
to come back for and for people do not know

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they actually did win today. Um but right now and
their ten and ten every year in there the the
only how about this the only season since two thousand fourteen,
Like I said, that was the last time they finished
in the top five of their conference, which is their
first year in the a c C. The only year
where they finished with fewer than uh ten losses or

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ten losses are fewer. Actually, I take that back. The
only year that they finished with fourteen losses or thirteen
losses are fewer was the COVID year when they only
played twenty eight games total. So they've had at least
thirteen losses every year since. They have missed the tournament
a bunch. The times they get in, sometimes they get hot.
I mean, that's what's kind of saved him, is that
they get in the tournament and they get hot a

(01:10:36):
couple of times. But the guy, you know, and I'm
sure you guys saw too, he had a he kind
of screamed at a student reporter. It's just, you know,
this is the year where I a legitimate question, like where,
why why didn't this guy play? Yes, and it's so
it's totally embarrassing, but yes, he just claimed that Pit
and Wake Forest are buying their teams and just say

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even around Cole Sports Wild Jason, he's been too. Does
Wake Forest strike he as the team that's that's just
dropping bags? Did they just buy Chris Paul? And I
mean I grew up in Look, I grew up in
Winston Salem, and I grew up when Tim Duncan was planned,
Like he came into the movie theater I worked in
when I was in high school. Randolf Children's was going
to school at that point in time Can, Yeah, that's
absolutely right. Wake Forest was rocking and rolling. You mentioned

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Chris Paul. He went to high school, you know, a
few miles away from where I went to high school,
and all of this kind of stuff. Those Wake teams,
we could releast argued, you know, you had the talent
on those teams that may be deserve to be paid.
But Wake Forest in three, we're really having that discussion.
It is about time for Beheim to I don't know,

(01:11:42):
pick up a fishing rod or a tether ball or
whatever it is. Shuffle board sounds about right, cribbage like,
whatever it is. He needs to probably do something away
from basketball, Like I think we have reached a place
of diminishing returns about half a decade ago when it relates,

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and at some point you start to harm your legacy.
Like man Bayon has done a lot of great stuff,
and he's coached a lot of good teams, and he's
been a character in a positive sense for all. But
sometimes it's like, all right, now, it's time to move on,
because I want to remember some positive things that you did.
And every time you talk right now, it sounds like
Larry David in a bad David's funny bad rip off,

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exactly right. But you remember, this is a guy with
a thousand wins in his career. But when he had
great teams eighties and nineties, how often did they lose
first or second round in the tournament? My goodness, if
he hadn't had Carmelo for that one year, what kind
of a legacy would it be? I always joke, I
joke this was like literally ten years ago. Is like

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he's just the guy, like like his greatness if you
will call it that up, and you know it came
with his consistency, Like when you do something long enough,
you're gonna accumulate awesome stats. And by the way, this
is like Lebron has been legitimately awesome for twenty years
and that's why he's about to break Cream's record. But
if you stick around long enough, Burt bli Levin parteting
Hall of Fame consideration. He had a very long career.

(01:13:11):
But do you ever remember, like, uh, oh, man, we're
facing Burt bli Levin in game five, like we got
no chance tonight, like no. And it's the same with
Bee him, like he's just been around for he started
his nineteen seventies six. I'll tell you how long it's been.
If you look at the film of John Wooden's last game,
his last Final four was nineteen seventy five. Jim Beheim

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is on the Syracuse bench as an assistant right before
he took over. Wow, well, I'll tell you Billie Packer
called the game. If I'm not mistaken for well, I'll
tell you this. And this is actually a little bit
of a like a sad note. But Louis Or, who
was his first great recruit, recently just passed away like
in his sixties, like his late sixties. So I mean
that that shows you that, you know, Beheim has been

(01:13:56):
around forever. Perfect. By the way, did you have something
you wanted to jump in on. No, I saw I
was actually a student at wake Forest when Chris Paul
was playing there, and like that's just all skip proser
just bringing tons of end talent to wake Forest at
the time. That's just I just find the A C
C fascinating And yeah, everything you guys said, like Bay
I'm whimpering about Yeah, I'll say for people don't know,

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Wake Forest is the lowest school population of any Power
Conference team, like the student body of about like four
or five thousand. They're not a program that has like
this endless you know, conveyor belt of boosters that can
just write check so and then you know, pit's been
irrelevant forever. So anyway, man, we we could get off behind.
But another I just think another embarrassing black eye for

(01:14:44):
him is he just basically just threw half of his
league under the bus, and oh, by the way, through
his own booster under the bus, claiming that his own
boosters aren't stepping up. So, I mean, you know, perfect
definition of a guy that's that's you know, passed his
prime and whatever, blaming everybody but himself. Even when he
was young, Beheim was the ultimate get off my lawn guy.
It doesn't have to do with age. Well, I'll tell

(01:15:05):
you last funny Beayheap story because we gotta get to
break here is uh. I don't know if you remember
the Jerry mcnmurry Wonna, we wouldn't have won ten freaking
I was in the arena that day of that press
conference as a as a fan, not as a as
a reporter. But that was almost twenty years ago, and
he was get off my lawn twenty years ago. So

(01:15:25):
we are enough with Jim Beheim. He embarrassed himself. You
can find the quotes, uh you know available online. Fox
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You know I heard Jonas and the guys on on
two pros talking about this, this reimagined Pro Bowl. Let

(01:16:08):
me just ask you. We got a quick segment here,
might as well just knock this out now. Why are
we still trying to make the Pro Bowl thing? Like
I guess it probably makes someone money in the NFL,
everything that they do is to monetize, to to to
you know, ring every last dollar out of whatever. Can
we just like, can we put the Pro Bowl out
to pasture? Can? Can we? Can we take it down

(01:16:29):
to the woods and you know, put it, put it
away for good? Why are we still doing this? Jason?
I mean I agree. I mean it does do well,
like seven million or something. I think it was the
last time probably I remember seeing. It still does better
ratings than it has any right to and better than
virtually than a lot of other sports postseasons. So there's

(01:16:52):
a value proposition there. People do still watch. It's a
horrible product. No one that's any one generally wants to
play in it. Obviously you're not gonna get Super Bowl
players in it. It's just another potential injury risk in
a sport that you just don't want to add any
more fuel to that. It just it should have already

(01:17:13):
been this. But you already have all pros and stuff.
So it can be a ceremonial honor. It can be
some kind of like a bonus that goes into your paycheck.
You make a Pro Bowl, here's fifty grand or whatever
it is. I don't know, but the fact that there
was a game, as long as there was a game
is preposterous. Now we're doing flag football, and we're doing games.
And I do like skills competitions in All Star weekends.

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I enjoy watching those. I always have. But in terms
of like me sing there to watch that flag football
game tomorrow, you are out of your dag on mine, Like,
there is no way I have any interest whatsoever in
watching something where the only story that will come from
that of any relevance is if somebody suffers an injury.

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And I'm praying that does not happen. But Jonas is
right that us are right. You're right mostly people listening
to us that all agree. We are preaching to a
choir here. There is no need for this. It exists
because it does make some money for some people that
like making money, which means anybody. There are people that
make money. There are decent enough ratings, actually good ratings

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when you really look at them, but they were declining.
But in terms of this being a thing that still
needs to be happening, absolutely positively not. I remember, uh,
this was probably you might know the year because I'll
tell you why. I remember one year Vincey Young made
the Pro Bowl when he was with Titans, and he

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was like legitimately terrible. And this this had to have
been probably about twelve thirteen years ago. I'm trying to
look it up really quick because I'm guessing didn't make
very many Pro Bowls. He made his only he made
two Pro Bowls two thousand sixes rookie year and then
two thousand nine, so this was two thousand nine. And
I remember saying at the time, if Vince Young is
making the Pro Bowl, why are we still laying the

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Pro Bowl? And that was in two thousand nine. Now again,
I know that was a game. This is not a game,
but it's just it's just one of those like I mean,
like you said, it's gonna do well ratings wise. People
want football. You never have too much football, except for
spring football. We will save that for the spring. But
it's just like, man, it's just it's so weird that
we try to keep this thing going and now it's
reimagined and painting a kneel are involved, very very very strange.

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you heard an absolute legend did step away this this
week named Tom Brady, may have heard of him. Will

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discuss that next, and we'll play a little game where
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your car at work. Whatever next segment, we're gonna play
a little game. Okay, so Tom Brady retired this week
and we're gonna talk about that. But what producer Bo
has spent countless hours doing over the last three days
since Tom Brady announce his retirement. He's been in the
lab in front of a computer with his calculator, crunching numbers.

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We're gonna play a little game called tom Brady Real
or fake Trivia. In other words, Tom Brady has been
around for so long twenty whatever years that you hear
stats a out him that sounds like they can't possibly
be true, but they are. You know, tom Brady did
this and whatever. Everybody knows the stats, and so Bo

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has put together a segment for us where we're gonna
it's gonna be me and you trying to figure out
whether a stat that Bow gives us as a real
Tom Brady stat or it isn't. But we also want
callers to join in and call in to I'll be
part of this. So if you want to be part
of Tom Brady Trivia, you can call in seven seven

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nine on Fox seven seven nine six three six nine
one eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox seven seven
six three six nine If you want to be part
of Tom Brady Trivia, that will be in the next segment.
Before we get to it, though, we probably should talk
a little bit about Tom Brady, who, for the second
time in thirteen months, announced on Wednesday that he was

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officially retiring. Um, I will say I'm not totally surprised
this to me. One, obviously, look, he's forty five whatever.
But I'll also say is that I remember us talking
about this over the last couple of weeks, is that
I found the whole conversation of like, where is Tom
Brady gonna go next? Really weird because I felt like, one,

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he was a depreciating quarterback at forty five years old.
You and I talked about the fact that, like you know,
he basically needs everything perfect around him, the right offensive line,
wide receivers, defense, etcetera. But the other thing was, after
he did this whole thing with his family for the
last year year and a half, like the idea of
him just going to Vegas or going to San Francisco
and just playing. I just I never really bought the

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idea that like that made a ton of sense for
him to just abandon his family in Miami after he
spent all this time talking about how important it is,
took time away from training camp to spend time with
the family to try to save the marriage with Chisel.
Never got it. But Tom Brady officially announced his retirement
on Wednesday. What were your thoughts, good, like, it's time,
it felt like and to your point, and we did

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discuss it, it didn't seem like there should be just
a bunch of people lined up to get tom Brady's
services at the I'm not that he couldn't come in
and help you, because it's clear he could still play football,
but he was closer to being that, you know, tenth,
eleventh best quarterback in the league than he was number
one at this point, Like we started naming guys, and
we could have gone even further with guys at this

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point you would want even in a one year situation,
unless you just had again everything set up beautifully for
Tom Brady um and with what he's looking at in
the future and with the family, that that's a really
unfortunate part of this is when you saw it just
sells statement where she's like, I hope that he finds

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happiness in life. Like you could tell there was a distance.
You could tell this was over, Like this was somebody
speaking about somebody they used to know, but not someone
that they are you know, still involved with. He lost
his family because he played football for another year. That
I mean that that is that's eaton as I know
how to say it, and it's one of the saddest

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things that we could ever say on this radio program.
Short if somebody actually passing away, is this man traded
his family, He traded his marriage, He traded everything for
one more crack at a super Bowl he had already won,
you know, to nearly two hands worth of times. He
didn't win. He didn't go out on a good note either,

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because they were not good throughout the year. They suffered
all sorts of injuries, and then they got absolutely annihilated
in that final game against Dallas. And now he's still
walking away. Now he's walking away as perhaps the greatest
football player of all time, depending on who you are.
I mean, most of us would say he is at
this point, but it would be you know him, Jim Brown,

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a couple of other names that you might put out there,
but but Brady is pretty much the goat when it
comes to what he's won and how successful he has been.
He is walking away, He's probably walking into that broadcast
booth position where I hope that he's good and I
want I can't wait to see what that actually looks like.
But it was just time like I just didn't understand

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and you didn't either. Why there was speculation about how
many suitors they were gonna be. There were gonna be
nearly as many this time around. No, that exactly right.
But you're looking at a guy that's now forty six,
not thirty six. Uh, this is a guy that has
played longer. I mean there are guys that played with
him that have been analysts on TV for a decade.

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There are guys that played with him that have been
coaches of NFL teams for longer than half a decade,
playing and coaching, playing with him and now coaching against him.
Things like that, like this, this was a thing that
eventually had to happen. I just hate that he felt
like he had to come back one more time and
then it cost him his marriage like and maybe there

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maybe that was not gonna last anyway. Maybe it was
on uh, not very sure footing. Maybe there were a
lot of other problems. We don't know all of that,
and we've seen some speculation that there were issues beforehand.
But coming back, it certainly feels like the final straw
and the way he walks away is more limping than
anything triumphant. Yeah, I don't disagree, you know, And I

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think you could even see it on his face in
that video, um, and even some of the things he said,
you know, I had my emotional sappie whatever. Um. And yeah,
I think that that's the only way to describe like,
like incredible career, and nobody's saying it wasn't. But the
fact that you come back and and I think, and
I've always said, and I forget. I think Arnie did

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a show with me around the time you must have
been out one Saturday, Jason, when or maybe I filled
in with Arnie where I said to him, I said,
you know, I was a little bit disappointed. That the
right word. But when he retired the first time, you know,
he had made such a big thing about wanting to
play until he was forty five, and I think the
other thing too, that's easy to forget now. I mean,
they were good last year, like they like they didn't

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just win the division because the division was terrible last year, Like,
they were actually pretty good and they were a player
too away from beating the Rams to go to the
NFC Championship Game, which if memory serves me correct, they
would have hosted. They absolutely would have, because they would
have played San Francisco. So, like, I could see the
thing where why he wanted to come back, but on

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top of losing the family, it was just so obvious
by the end this year that that you know, he
was coming back to a situation where he wasn't playing
for the coach that he came to play for. He
was he wasn't playing with the guys that he came
to play with. So many guys had moved on Gronk
A B. And I know him and A B have
had their friction post a B. But you know, I
mean A B was a guy that you know, he

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really went to bad for to get there, and so
it was just a sad final year. I don't think
it affects his legacy at all. Um, maybe he doesn't,
you know, maybe it does it obviously does impact his
his his family situation, but um, yeah, I don't know,
it's just one Like I was talking to the guys
about this during the break, Like I just don't have
a lot of like takes on it, like he's we

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had we we got them all out last year, right,
Like he was awesome, he was an all time great. Um,
but you also, at least in this moment, I don't
know if in ten twelve years will be talking about this,
but in this moment, it just feels like you can't
talk about the retirement without also bringing in the family
element to it. And obviously you know everything that he
lost by deciding to come back. So yeah, it's just said.

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I mean again, there's nothing else to say other than
you wish. That's not how that had gone down for anybody. Uh,
And we unfortunately, because of his standing and because of
her standing and the fact that we know who they were,
it was a lot more public and it was painful
behind the scenes, There's no question about that. And there's
unfortunately collateral damage in the form of his children. Um,

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in terms of the football side of it. Like I
saw it, just like you saw it. I said immediately, Okay,
this one's probably for real, And you say probably just
because it is Tom, But this one definitely felt much
different than the last one, and I just said, all right,
now we can finally move on here, like eventually this

(01:29:06):
was going to happen. Now it does. Now he can
move on tonight has been in many cases, at least,
this show has been full of things that are not
particularly surprising. My argument about Lebron's thing not being as
big a deal as a story as some other chases
have been, it's just because it feels inevitable. He's the
Thanos of the NBA. He's been playing forever. He's gonna

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break record after record after record. This one's super impressive.
But I don't know that it's moving the needle, you know,
on a giant degree. And the fact that Kyrie Irving
is out here causing drama is the least surprising thing
we could find. And now you get to a forty
five going on forty six year old who had a
tough season who probably may know that there's not that

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many suitors out there, and what suitors are there, and
maybe it's one, I don't know. Unless it's San Francisco,
you're probably not gonna win a championship, and even if
you go there, everything's got to be right and he
can look around and eventually if if I'm Tom Brady
and I know how good I am, it might be
hard to admit it. But I'm looking at Joe Burrow,

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and I'm looking at my homes and I'm looking at
Josh Allen. I'm looking at these guys and my team
could compete with those teams last year. Do I really
think I'm gonna win another title? And if the answer
that question is at all no, it's time to retire.
And I think that's finally where we got the only
real option, as you said to to to, I think
compete at the highest level with San Francisco. And again

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it goes back to what I just said, is like,
you know, there was all this talk about well what
about Vegas? I mean, Josh mcdato, and it's like, you know,
at a certain point it's like, what are we doing here?
You're gonna go to Vegas for a year and new
you know it just it never made sense. So I'm
with you, Um, I don't even think it's a debate.
I think this is final. I don't think he's coming back. Yes,

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he's gonna get the bug at some point, but he
lost everything and even when the season ended. I know,
I'm just rehashing everything I've already said, but I thought
maybe Miami, if Miami somehow becomes uh, you know, if
they move off to UH or if they you know,
if they fired Mike McDaniel, which I'm not saying that
was ever in the cards and they brought in Sham Payne,
and I know there was talk of previously Brady and

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pa and going to Miami. Like I was like, maybe
there's a half baked scenario where he goes to Miami. Um.
And but I I didn't see him sticking around in Tampa,
not with that coaching staff, not with the way things ended. UM.
But yeah, I don't know. There's not not anything else
to add. I will say that it will be interesting.
I say this, It'll be interesting to see what Tampa
does next. Do they try to plug you know, a

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veteran like a Jimmy g ironically, you know Jimmy G
former teammated Tom Brady's UH. Do they try to go
with Derek Carr somebody like that, or do they try
to rebuild. I'll tell you what we can discuss that
later on in the show. But coming up, we are
going to play some Tom Brady trivia. This is the plan. Okay,
So tom Brady was been around for so long that
what I had bo do is put together a list

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of stats and it's on Jason and I might bring
the Sager as well on this one, UH, to determine
if the stat about Tom Brady is real or not.
And if you as a caller, I want to get
in on it. Seven ninety nine Fox seven nine six
six three six nine if you want to call him,
be part of tom Brady Trivia that is coming up next.

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Sports Radio. And as we discussed a moment ago, tom
Brady did step away this week, UH, finishing up not
only a historic career, but I don't think it's hyperbole
to say that we will never see a career like
it again. And so what we want to do now
play a little game that I'm calling Tom Brady fact
or fiction. Both spent all week in the lab, even

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before Tom Brady officially announced his retirement, looking up stats
on Brady, crunching the numbers, uh, pouring fancy chemicals into
beakers to see what worked and what didn't. And now
what we're gonna do is play the game. Bow is
gonna give us a fact will play me Jason Martin
to say, you can hop into if you care to
join us, not not if you care not I didn't care,

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I didn't mean care like that. We do have one
caller on the line. Joey will bring it in in
a minute. And if you want to call in and
be part of the game. One eight seven seven, foe
seven six three six nine, Bow, the floor is yours.
That's right. Uh, we're doing this and then Tom Brady
is gonna retire in three weeks when Brock Brady and
Tommy John anyway, So, uh, it's number one here. Tom

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Brady was so dominant throughout his career that he never
slipped up against the team that's long been at the
bottom of the league. Tom Brady never lost to the
Detroit Lions. Is that factor fiction? Wow? Having Chris per
Feed in the building seems ironic her fetic. Maybe it
might be that he never lost, he wouldn't be playing

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him every year. What about you, Jason, I'd say it's facts.
That sounds legit to me. The only team, is it
the only team or just a team that he never
lost to? He tom Brady never lost to the Detroit Lions.
I'm going to say that is fact. He never lost
to the Detroit Lions. It's a total fabrication. Whoa. The
first series of tom Brady's career came in a loss

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against the Detroit Lions when Drew Bledsoe was benched due
to his poor performance. Held up, they actually lost to
map It's the Lions, Matt Patricia's first year in Detroit
that you lost to Matt Patricia. That's a damn loss
right there. I can't believe you didn't retire at that point.

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I might have if I was. Let's keep it going.
Both tom Brady factor fiction gone for one. By the way,
tom Brady's legendary longitivity would longevity was well noted as
he became the only quarterback to play in a Super
Bowl after the age of forty, doing so three separate times.
Nobody else did it even once. Is that true or false?
I am going to say that's play to play or

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start play in a super Bowl after the age of forty,
and he did it three times. I am going to
say that's false, that there's other people. In other words,
he is not the A lot of super Bowls were
talking about quarterbacks. Are we talking about anybody only quarterback
to play any Super Bowl after the age of forty?
Mm hmmm, let's say fiction. I'll say true. I'm sorry,

(01:35:41):
the game is factor fiction. I saact sorry, you were correct.
It's fact. So he is. He's the only one and
he did it three times. And the Saga and Jason
both said that it was fact, that it was true,
which is it's crazy. I saw I'm sure you guys
all saw it. But if you divide Eton Manning didn't play,

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I could have sworn he was over four. Ye he
just played like yeah, if you divide, if you divide
Tom Brady's career into you know, separate thirds, they're probably
all Hall of Fame careers and that's it's insane. Yeah,
compared to Kurt Warner. Interesting. Yeah, but I'll tell you
what real quick, Let's bring in Joey from New York.
Let's let's let's let Joey be a part of Tom

(01:36:24):
tom Brady factor fiction. Tom Brady played for so long,
we're trying to figure out what is true about his career?
What is false? Joey in New York? Are you there? Yeah?
How's it going? It's going good? What are you doing
up at this hour? Joey? It's late? Were you working?
I'm a machine operator? Okay? Well? Perfect? All right, Well
stay awake please, yes, make sure the focus on the

(01:36:45):
machines first. And Tom Brady please get out of the forklift. Alright, alright,
but the floor is heres, go ahead, all right, next up.
Tom Brady has won more playoff games thirty five than
thirteen other franchises have even appeared in. Is that fact
or fiction? Joey our guest on a break? What do
you got? Joey says? Fact? Fact? What about? Yeah? Yeah,

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I'm gonna say fact because that's a way too oddly
specific stat to seem to be more playoff games now
that it's fact, Yeah, Joey, my good luck charm. All right,
So tom Brady has one more playoff games than thirteen
teams have even played in. Yeah, alright, let's go, joe Bo.

(01:37:35):
What else we got? All right? Tom Brady has played
in eight of all these super Bowls in NFL history.
Keep in mind, I believe the first Super Bowl was
prior to the moon landing, So eight percent of all
the Super Bowls tom Brady has played in. Joey, she
was like a number. I just fiction. Joey says fiction.

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Go ahead, scre what he got. Yeah, it's almost so
I'll say, yeah, that number is correct. Fact, I'm gonna
say that number sounds about right. It's so close. I
just wonder if this is a trick question. It's nineteen percent,
like it's got to be. Eventually. Bow is going to
be a jerk about this. He is a Lakers guy,
So in ten, right, So yeah, well if it's ten.

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But there's right, So how many did we say? Eighteen percent?
Was that the number? Okay, I'll change, I'll say fact,
I'll say fact, you were correct, right, So Joey got
that one wrong. Alright, alright, Joey, this next one might
be the most difficult question. Okay, all right, tom Brady

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ends his long NFL playing career completely scandal free factor fiction.
Wait wait, you mean, like, are the scandals over or
did he actually have scandals at some point during his career?
Tom Brady was the cleanest player in NFL history. Okay,

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now we're just trolling at this point that I think, Yeah,
Rob might have made me how that wasn't even a drop.
That was Jason. That was well done, thank you very much.
That was actually Rob calling in. He's like I need

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it on this right now. Alright, so all four of
us say fiction, Yeah, that's uh. I don't even know
if you need to drop for that one. It never happened. Yeah, alright, alright,
let's do one more and then we'll let Joey off
the phone. We'll get to the update. Go ahead, but
what he got? All right, Tom Brady never played a
snap where he was mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. Joey,

(01:39:45):
go ahead. M hmmm, Joey, I couldn't hear you. In fact, okay,
Jason would go, gosh, that is a that is an
amazing thing. Almost actually have to debate, almost toss it
with the Yankees Jeeter. Almost. I'll say, fact man, that

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is I thought there was one year. I'll say fiction.
There had to have been they did, but he was hurt,
I will say, I will say, fact, bo, do you
want to give the details on this? Go ahead? Uh? Well,
you were the this was the this was the stat
that spawned this idea. I believe you were saying that,

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you know, the closest he got was the final snap
of a game, and then another team eliminated them after
it was over, So he like never was technically out
of it until the very end or something like that. Right,
what do we got? You were correct? Okay, So I
so I saw this stat. This was the stat that
spurred the whole idea for this segment is that in

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two thousand two, his second year, they didn't the Patriots
didn't make the playoffs, but they played an early game
when they were still mathematically alive, and so after they
played their game, they were eliminated. Every other year they
made the playoffs except for oh eight, where I don't
know if they made the playoffs or not, but obviously
he did not play, so that is factually correct. I'll

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tell you what. It's a fun start. Joey Joey. We
gotta let you go, man, machines are calling. We appreciate you. Man.
All that was Joe in New York. And I'll tell
you what. We'll continue this. We got a few more,
I think, but before we do, let's get some updates
with our main man, Steve. What got and a reminder.
The Super Bowl is a week from Sunday, with Kansas

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City against Philadelphia on Fox TV from Arizona, and Patrick
Mahomes now joins Tom Brady as the only starting quarterbacks
to reach the Super Bowl three times in their first
six seasons in the league. In the NBA a game,
Denver beat Atlanta one oh a triple double for Nicola Yokich.
Jamal Murray scored forty one points. Scolden State held on

(01:41:52):
to beat Dallas one third team, but Steph Curry left
with a leg injury. It looked like they collided knees
he and an opponent in the lane. It's called a
lower leg injury. Luka don Citch not playing tonight and
we'll not play Monday due to a bruised he'll after
a fall this week. Milwaukee won at seventh straight game,
Clippers one in overtime, Brooklyn came back to beat Washington

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on three. The Nets were down twenty and the third quarter.
Kyrie Irving did not play, and New Orleans ended a
ten game losing streak beating the Lakers one one, one s.
The NHL All Star Game was won by the Atlantic Division.
In the late night college basketball, about three minutes to
go and it's a tie game in the top twenty

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matchup in the West Coast Conference, Gonzaga fifty seven St.
Mary's fifty seven, the home team has come back to
even at up. St. Mary's is nine and oh in
conference play. Wins in the top ten for Alabama, Arizona
and u c l A. Indiana beat number one per
Due seventy nine seventy four Tennessee over auburntty three. That's
two hours of our lives. We will never get betched.

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Virginia Tech down number six, Virginia Texas came back to
win number seven Kansas State in Iowa State toppled number
eight Kansas. And then there's Yukon ran in the country.
Ladies and gentlemen going up against the Mighty Hoyas in
Georgetown team that's won in twelve in Conference Connecticut trailed
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night will host number four teen Marquettes on FS one.
Marquette one again today tied for first in the Big East,
which with Savior which one again today. Thank you, thank
you very much, Steve de Sager, Fox Sports Radio, Fox
Sports Saturday, Aaron Torres, Jason Martin. We are broadcasting live
from the tire IRAQ dot com studios. Thank you again
to Joey who called. And we are playing a little

(01:43:42):
game we called Tom Brady Factor Fiction can Tom Brady
stepped aside? He retired this this week, and because he
played so long and his career is so crazy, um,
we decided, hey, there's some stats that are out there
that sound made up, that can't possibly be true, like,
for example, the fact that he never played in a
game where he was mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. That

(01:44:03):
sounds crazy, but it's true. So we're trying to decipher
what's real what's fake. Producer Bow came up with some
ideas and what's the next what's the next fact or
fiction for us? Both all right, tom Brady had a
better chance of reaching the Super Bowl, then Steph Curry
does making a three pointer? Can you explain what that means? Uh?

(01:44:27):
The percentage? Yes, the percentage chance of Tom Brady making
a super Bowl is higher than Steph Curry's career three
point shooting percentage. So does that mean how many super
bowls he went and how many he could have gone
to his percentage of reaching super Bowls compared to career
three point percentage? I think that's probably a fact. I'm
gonna stick with fact as well. You're right, Yes, ten

(01:44:49):
super bowls and seasons for Tom Brady equals Steph Curry
is a career three point shooter? Certain how many threes
and the margin of difficult at the fact that he
shoots from three is preposterously stupid when it comes to
Steph Curry. Alright, the last one here maybe the best

(01:45:10):
possible for last here, Tom Brady ends his career as
the last active pro athlete to be drafted by the
Montreal expos Factor. Fiction. Wow, what do you guys get?
I am unaware of this, so I guess I'll have

(01:45:31):
to say fiction. I I kind of hope it's true.
I'm gonna say it's true because why would why would
you come up with that if it's not like I
am with Steve on that, but I'll say fact. But
Drew Henson was a starter over Brady and a better
baseball player, That's true. I will say fact as well.
You were correct. That is nuts. Yes, that is maybe

(01:45:54):
my favorite one on here. I'm still not getting over
the nobody else played over four. Me and bo were
doing the math. Peyton Man who was thirty eight in
that last Super Bowl he played. He looks a lot
older than two absolute kids starting the Super Bowl at
quarterback next weekend. Yeah, and it's not their first or
it's certainly not for Ma Homes like that. Dudes, that dude,

(01:46:17):
I want to see. I want to know what the
percentage for him is compared to Steph Curry making a
three when we get to the end of this. By
the way, we mentioned All Pro earlier. This is one
of those rare Super Bowls where you've got the first
team All Pro quarterback against the second team All Pro quarterback.
We mentioned Mahomes was near unanimous as first team. So far,
the first team All Pro QB has always lost the

(01:46:38):
Super Bowl when he faces the second team or Matt
Ryan was one year first team ahead of Brady, and
we know how that Super Bowl went. But there you
know Peyton Manning losing to du Brees, on and on.
By the way, how about this, I'm looking at the
Patriots roster Tom Brady's first year in two thousand and
this actually makes sense when you break it down. So

(01:47:00):
we now have players in the NFL that were born
in the two thousand's, right, so you know you're born
in two thousand, you're twenty two years old, you're playing
in the NFL. The first team that Tom Brady played
on in two thousand didn't forget the two thousand's, obviously,
forget the nineties. They didn't have a single player born
in the nineteen eighties playing on the on his roster.

(01:47:22):
So everybody that was on that original roster is now
at least what forty four years old, So and I'm
trying to see who the oldest guy was on that roster. Honestly,
when you said I'm looking at that roster for the Patriots,
then I thought you were gonna say, and here's the name.
Walt Coleman was actually on the Patriots. It was Tom
Brady's very first playoff game. Right where the tuck rule

(01:47:45):
with Walt Coleman is the ref, they came back and
somehow went in overtime in the snow. Otis Smith was
born in nineteen sixty five, so that's what sixty years
old next year, two years from now. He played with
Tom Brady. A guy that's about to be sixty played
with Tom Brady. Um, yeah, that's I'm I'm just looking
at the roster really quick, because first of all, there's

(01:48:05):
some crazy names, you know, Terry Glenn, uh, you know,
all the names that you would kind of expect. Curtis
Jackson apparently played with him. Not just kidding, not that
Curtis Jackson Terry Glenn, but like they had just remember
they had just made the Super Bowl within the last
five years, Parcels. You know, this gives me a chance
to I can't say this often enough. New England sports
history is rich anyway, but especially in these last twenty

(01:48:28):
plus years. Their greatest heroes of New England sports. It's
almost an accident that any of them wind up with
those Boston area teams. Everybody passed on Tom Brady, including
the Patriots for five rounds. Nobody knew he was gonna
be this. David Ortiz was cut in the off season.
Nobody signed him for three weeks, including the Red Sox.

(01:48:51):
Bill Belichick signed with the Jets and had a press
conference to coach them, and then stepped down after a
day and went to the Patriots. It's just one thing
after another. Well this this isn't that exactly the sager.
But remember to Jayson Tatum, who's obviously the current star
out there, was the third overall pick. The Celtics traded back.

(01:49:11):
They had the number one pick and traded back to
They traded back in the seventy Sixers took Marquelle Folds
and Jayson Tatum fell to them at three. Remember Larry
Bird was not drafted his senior year. He there was
a different rule then where they took him a year early.
It's just it's just silliness oddness at these legends of
that area, how they wind up there. Thank you for

(01:49:33):
not mentioning who picks second in that draft, by the way, Yeah,
I mean a lonzo like they had to take I
that I don't. I will say like Folts was an
interesting one because you know what, we don't have to
get into that draft, but I mean, come on, a
Lonzo U C l A injuries, Folts didn't play at
the end of his college season. So real quick, I

(01:49:53):
I looked up another fun Tom Brady stat relating to
the age thing. Uh, John Elway has the second most
super Bowl starts at quarterback with five. Brady started five
super Bowls after turning thirty seven years old. Wow, I'm
gonna list my mind. Well I'll tell you. And you
know it's funny too because like the history of it
all right, like you know, you go back, like John

(01:50:15):
Madden and Pat Somerroll called that first Super Bowl against
the Rams. That feels like a million years ago that
those guys were where Tom Brady was Super Bowl m
v P having less than a hundred yards passage until
the final drift. That's a that's a great question. How
many like broadcast crews for each network has Tom Brady gone, dude,
I have that might break my brain to try and

(01:50:39):
figure out, or even just limited to like Super Bowl
Cruise and John Madden in that first Super Bowl of
Brady saying when it wasn't a good kick return with
under two minutes to go, oh, they should just be
taking a knee and just go to overtime. It's tied
with the Rams, and then what do you know? Adam
Vinitary wins. How about this. I just found six players
who began their careers after Tom Brady have already entered

(01:51:01):
the Hall of Fame, Calvin Johnson, Troit Paulamalu, Ed Reid,
Steve Hutchinson, L t Ladanian Thominson, and Richard Seymour. So
we've got guys up for the Hall on Thursday night
as well. I'm sure some of those I don't know
when Darrell Revas started, but I'm sure some on those lists,
you know, might be adding to the names. Okay, this

(01:51:22):
is a great one. This is courtesy as CBS Sports
from Pro Football Reference. How about this? First, that Tom
Brady ranked second all time in NFL history in receiving
yards after turning forty. Jerry Rice is number one with
nine yards. Tom Brady is number two with six receiving yards.
So I guess he can throw the ball and catch

(01:51:44):
the ball. I know. Well, Giselle too soon, Giselle, you
know whatever she was. All of this gets too guys,
It's time. Can we can we move on? Now? It's time. Well,
let's move on. We'll come back to Sega. Will give
us an extended update. I had some fun, guys, I
don't know if you guys have, but that was Tom

(01:52:05):
Brady factor. Fiction. Will come back and to sagre will
get us updated on everything that happened in the world
of sports. Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports
Radio editors. Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tirac dot
Com studios. We're gonna get to the saga in half
a second. But we did just do our Tom Brady
fact or fiction in the previous two segments, and we

(01:52:26):
brought up how in Brady's first Super Bowl, Pat somewhere
all in on John Madden. We're still working in the
booth for Fox, and so we asked, you know, kind
of hypothetically, who who are all the broadcast guys that
have called a Brady Super Bowl? Producer bo produced the
crap out of stuff during the break and actually came
up with the full list. Go ahead, but what he got.
So the first Super Bowl started with Pat Summer all

(01:52:49):
on John Madden. We then went to Greg Gumbel and
Phil Simms, Joe Buck and Troy Aikman back to back
for three and four, Al Michael's and Chris Collinsworth back
to back for five and six. Joe Buck and Troy
Aikman for seven, Michael's and Collinsworth for eight, and nine,
and ten were Jim Nance and Tony Romo. So Brady
went from like the first CBS crew to the very

(01:53:12):
last CBS crew just in the Super Bowls he played in.
And Tony Romo, a guy who I'm guessing was probably
in college when Brady started his career, was calling his
Super Bowls by the end, so younger than town Brady
calling his super Bowls those last couples the way. I
hate to do this, but Greg Gumbo and Phils super

(01:53:33):
I must have forgotten. I really like Greg Gumbo and
people Tony Romo called a super Bowl. Wow, maybe we
talked told Greg Olson has supplanted him in my opinion.
All right, Well to say, I'll tell you what. We
can talk a little Tony Romo our four. There was
interesting report about him. But Seger, come on, man, we
were you know, every every show, every you know Saturday.

(01:53:55):
We we give you this time. And I apologize we
got to you a little late. But what he got
for we had his story night in the NBA. But
I have a college late game to update. It's a
top twenty matchup with a very very loud Jim at St. Mary's,
a team that's trying to go ten and oh in conference.
They have taken the overtime lead on Gonzaga seventy to
sixty four two and a half minutes left in the OT.

(01:54:15):
St Mary's tied the game with five seconds left in
regulation on a layup. Gonzaga missed a shot at the
other end made the follow up jumper, but it was
after the buzzers, so we went to OT and now St.
Mary's at home is leading. Now for the NBA News,
believe it or not, we had tonight well for starters.

(01:54:36):
Team wise, if you add up the scoring of each
of the clubs this evening, NBA team's averaged a hundred
twenty three points tonight. That is the highest mark all
time on a single day that had eight or more games.
There was an Oklahoma City game tonight where they won
one fifty three to one one against Houston. Shay gil
Just Alexander had forty two points in that game and

(01:54:57):
he only played thirty minutes. Camp Thomas off the bench
at Brooklyn and their comeback when had forty four points
and he only played twenty nine minutes. This is the
first that on the same day. This is the only
time since the merger with the A b A back
in the nineteen seventies that the NBA seen two players
have forty point games while playing thirty minutes or less.

(01:55:18):
And we had five different guards tonight score forty. Not
only Cam Thomas, not only Shay Gil Just Alexander Jalen
Brunson scored forty one in the Knicks home loss in overtime,
Damian Lillard scored forty in Portland's loss on the road,
and Jamal Murray had forty one points in Denver's home win. Yeah,
that's the first time in NBA history five different cards

(01:55:41):
scoring scoring forty or more on the same day, and
in fact, last night in the NBA, no one scored
thirty five In any of the games tonight, ten different
players scored at least thirty five, the most on a
single day in NBA history. These notes from Stats Inc.
N v p at janis attendant Coombo at thirty five

(01:56:01):
points as part of a triple double where Milwaukee beat Miami.
The Bucks have won seven in a row. We'll get
to college hoops as time permits, but you know, you
might know the Los Angeles Lakers only retire the jerseys
of Hall of famers, so when Jamal Wilkes got into
the Hall of Fame a decade ago, his jersey fifty
two is up in the rafters along with Kareem and

(01:56:23):
the rest. Well. The Dodgers made an announcement today that
the number thirty four, Fernando Valenzuela, is going to be
retired this summer. Easily one of the most popular Dodgers
since they have moved to Los Angeles, but it's been
long kind of unofficial club policy that they only retire
the numbers of Hall of famers. The only exception is
when a guy who was a Dodger coach in eight

(01:56:46):
died before the World Series began. Jim Gilliams number nineteen
is retired. He played in seven World Series as a
Dodger and then became a coach. But now Fernando is
getting the honor, and that was announced at the team
fan fest at Dodger Stadium today. Fernando valen whale his
first six years as a Dodger, six All Star appearances,
and just in his first season, he was both Rookie

(01:57:07):
of the Year and say Young Award winner and finished
top five for m v P by the time it
was his last year as a Dodger. He pitched a
no hitter that year and batted three hundreds. So it's
just an amazing amount of things he did in a
short amount of time in his career. As for college hoops,
number one, Perdue Falls a team that was twenty two

(01:57:27):
and one, lost it Indiana seventy four today. Although centator
Zach Dye, if you haven't seen him, you can't miss
him for Purdue. He's seven foot four. He had thirty
three points eighteen rebounds in this defeat. From the floor,
he was fifteen of nineteen. The rest of the team
was fourteen of thirty eight shooting, he had more baskets

(01:57:48):
than the rest of his team combined. The Hoosiers move
up to a tie for third place in the Big
Ten Conference Number two Tennessee over Auburn. We've mentioned at
forty six forty three, Auburn's lost three of four. Next Saturday,
Auburn will host first place Alabama, which is ten and
oh in conference. Now after winning at L s U
L s U one and nine in the SEC, Arizona

(01:58:08):
and u c l A each one, Bruins remain ahead
of Arizona in the Pact twelve Conference. In fact u
c l A is thirteen and oh at home, and
they'll be hosting Arizona to end this season. Number six
Virginia lost at Virginia Tech seventy four sixty eight. Virginia
is still a half game behind Clemson for first place
in the a SEC. Number twenty three ranked Miami one
at number twenty Clemson seventy eight seventy four. Number seven

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Kansas State beaten at home in a comeback by Texas,
which is ranked tenth in the country, sixty nine sixty
six to The Longhorns stay a game ahead of Iowa
State for first in the Big twelve Conference. Thirteenth ranked
Iowa State pounded Number eight Kansas sixty eight fifty three
fifty three is all fred Jayhawks team. They had twenty turnovers.
Jalen Wilson of Kansas twenty six points. The rest of

(01:58:54):
his team had twenty seven points combined. Kansas has lost
four of its last six games. It will be hosting
Texas on Monday, and Baylor beat Texas Tech easily. Texas
Tech one and nine in conference update overtime. St. Mary's
now up seven with about a minute and a a half
ago in overtime against Gonzaga. Oklahoma State blew a nineteen

(01:59:14):
point lead but still upset number fifteen TCU. TCU's next
three games are against Kansas State, Baylor, and Iowa State. Yes,
it's a very tough conference. Thank you very much, Steve
de Sager. And as the Sager just told you, Gonzaga
down by seven with under now it's four with about
a minute to go in overtime against St. Mary's coming up,

(01:59:34):
we get back to the NFL. Aaron Rodgers where he's going.
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(01:59:55):
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(02:00:16):
the way tire buying should be so, Jason. Last hour,
we talked a little bit about the situation with the
forty niners. Where do they go? What if brock Purty
is not ready? And you know, we talked a little
bit about, you know, all the different names that were
potentially out there, and I said, well, there's one name
that you haven't considered or that you didn't mention um.
But then we got sidetracked talking about Jim Beheim, who,

(02:00:38):
for people who missed it, through his own boosters under
the bus tonight through every other team in the A
C C. Under the bus, basically saying that everybody's paying
for their team except for Syracuse because his boosters aren't
stepping up. So you can go back and listen to
what we had to say about that on the podcast.
But why bring it up is because we're talking about
forty niners and I'm not saying that Aaron Rodgers is

(02:00:59):
going to the forty niners. But what I will say, Jason,
increasingly it feels like you ain't gonna be a packer
next year now? Is that the right decision is that
the wrong decision. The NFC will, once again, I think,
be very wide open. We don't even know who's gonna
play quarterback for San Francisco. Tampa's obviously going to take
a step back. The NFC's wildly wide open. But I

(02:01:20):
bring it up to say that that we've had all
sorts of stuff this week about the Packers. We had, um,
you know, Aaron Rodgers even said publicly, ah, sounds like
they're making calls without my consultation. But then we also
had Davante Adams tweeting that, you know, there was kind
of a Twitter Q and A and Davonte Hannap said,
Aaron Rodgers is moving to my neighborhood. Blah blah blah
blah blah. What do you think about Aaron Rodgers. I mean,

(02:01:43):
we talked a lot about Brady stepping away. Aaron Rodgers
very much looks like he wants to play next year,
and I think increasingly it's looking less and less like
it's gonna be in Green Bay. See. I just I've
been here before where I thought maybe he would leave,
and for some reason, I still feel like he ends
up back in Green Bay. Now I'm with you that

(02:02:03):
you feel a little less secure about it now. And
of course he's at Pebble Beach and Raiders fans are talking,
and you're here in the Davante Adams speculation and everything else.
I could see it, no question about it. I could
see there's certainly we talked about Brady well for Rogers,
there's still some landing spots here. But I still just
look at him, just like, if you want to win

(02:02:24):
a championship, that's still probably the best place to do
it is Green Bay. You're telling me you want to
go to the a f C West right now, if
you're Aaron Rodgers, I mean, look at those quarterbacks and
now you add Sean Payton to Denver Broncos situation. We
got to see how it plays out. But I'm very
optimistic as a giant Broncos fan, as you know. But

(02:02:44):
it's the same thing as Brady, Right, Like Brady in
the NFC South, that made sense because you were gonna
get an opportunity to make the playoffs, almost assuredly, because
the rest of that division is so pitiful. Well, the
division he plays in the NFC is not a pitiful
Lines are getting better and we're pretty good this year.
The Vikings were not as good as the record indicates,
but they certainly were not a scrub team. Maybe the

(02:03:07):
Bears are gonna pull out a seller, but they're still
pretty bad right now. But it still seems like a
much easier pathway. I don't think he's staying in the
NFC if he leaves, And if that's me and I'm
Aaron Rodgers, I still feel like I got some you know,
I've still got a lot of power. That organization is
kind of cows out to me multiple times in the past.
I will here's what I'll say if it happens. Okay, great,

(02:03:30):
I can understand why you would waiver a little bit
right now, but I will believe this one when I
see it. A couple of things. One, First of all,
I did not realize Chris Plank will actually join us
in the next segment. I had put in the request
for Plank, but he's a busy guy. Didn't know if
he would be available. But Chris Plank will join us
about fifteen minutes from now to preview his show. Um,
but back to Rogers is you know, I don't really

(02:03:53):
know it again and we've been here before. Feels like
there is real friction with him in the organization. But
I think there's a couple of things. I think it's
from both perspectives. It's not just from Aaron Rodgers perspective,
from the Packers perspective. I understand you've been doing this
song and dance with Jordan Love and all that, but
I just look at the NFC right now and I say, man,
it is so. I mean, just think about the NFC

(02:04:14):
right now today Tom Brady retires. That was your NFC
South champion, which by the way, was below five hundred.
Team team that won the division was below five hundred.
With Tom Brady, we don't even know what the plan
is in Tampa. Are they gonna tear it down? Are
they gonna try to bring in a veteran quarterback? Are
they're gonna try to just be five hundred and win
that division? We know obviously New Orleans stinks, Carolina stinks,

(02:04:36):
everybody else, Atlanta stinks in that division. Um, to your point,
the Bears they're gonna be bad. The whole division is
gonna be bad. But then on top of that, no
Tom Brady, we literally don't know who's gonna be the
forty Niners quarterback the forty Niners are probably the second
best team on paper. We kind of know that Doc
is not a guy that can elevate an entire organization. Um,

(02:04:57):
and I think the other thing too. By the way,
Kyler Murray has anath, he's not coming back. Matt Stafford
is thirty five, thirty six, he has injury problems. There's
no guarantee that he's coming back. And the Rams increasingly
or not coming back. In acent I should say the
Rams are increasingly old, fragile, thin, no depth, one or
two injuries away from being irrelevant like they were this
year the Seahawks. I didn't go over achieve the point

(02:05:19):
I'm trying to make. Just look at the rest of
the NFC, and so I know we've done the song
and dance, and I agree with you. Is like like,
I get that we've done it, and I get that
it gets exhausting at times. But I also sit there
and say, man, like the NFC is a really bad
and so one. If you're the Packers, you've got a
chance to run it back and compete this year right

(02:05:39):
now and then too again. If you're Aaron Rodgers, I
know you want to shove it. I know you want
to approve everybody wrong. You want to prove the Packers wrong.
But again, you're gonna go to a division with Justin Herbert,
Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson and Shom Payton. You're gonna
go to I don't know, Tennessee and uh, you know, yeah,
you'll get into the playoffs, but you're gonna have to

(02:06:01):
go through Burrow and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and oh,
by the way, Trevor Lawrence is gonna push over either. You.
You know, you're probably favorite to win the division, but
but it's far from a guarantee. Um. I'm increasingly sitting
here saying, like, I like, like, if they just decide
to split up, it's time. He's thirty nine years old. Whatever.
I'm not gonna like throw my hands up and say

(02:06:21):
it's the worst decision that's ever been made. But you
look at how bad the NFC as a whole could
potentially be next year. I think you got to run
it back. I really do. If you're the Green Bay Packers, Yeah,
and we said that before, we talked about this. At
the end of the year, they didn't make the playoffs.
Good on the Lions for playing as hard as they
did and making sure that you look at all of it,

(02:06:43):
and that's his best chance. And if that's what you're
trying to do, is play for legacy and not purely money,
even though of course they paid you a lot of
money on top of everything else. But you're Aaron Rodgers
at this point, do you really want to end your
career with one Super Bowl? If you stay in Green Bay,
You've still gotta running game, you still got a coach
at least that you're familiar with, even if you started

(02:07:04):
to see a few blemishes in play calling, and uh,
maybe how high the thirteen and three really was for
three years in a row. But and you've got a
defense that started to perform better towards the end of
the year. And the biggest thing was your receivers got
a little bit of experience. They finally got their sea
legs underneath them. You understand them a little better, they

(02:07:26):
understand you a little bit better. I just don't like
the idea at his age of going and uprooting. This
isn't the Patriots with Brady where the cupboard is bare
and he can look at that situation and say, boy,
the best days here are behind us. That's not really
the case, especially considering he was in the a f C.
It was Brady moved to the NFC, which even then

(02:07:46):
was a weaker conference and now is a much weaker conference.
And it just seems like you would want the easiest
pathway to the playoffs if you're Aaron Rodgers, and that
is going to be in Green Bay. Real quick. We
we heard a little bit of well, Tom Brady's from
the Bay area. Could Tom Brady want to go to
San Francisco? Does that make sense at all for Aaron Rodgers.

(02:08:09):
I mean, that's one I just haven't heard the buzz,
and I don't understand why I wouldn't hear the buzz
if if, if we agree that Aaron Rodgers probably isn't
gonna go back, and not probably, but we're having the
conversation that he might not be back in Green Bay.
We're having that conversation. We're having the conversation that the
fort Niners may need a quarterback. I guess I just
don't understand why you don't kick the tires on Aaron

(02:08:31):
Rodgers for one year until you know, I don't know,
is it one year, is it more than one year?
I don't know, but until you kind of know what
Brock Party is, until you kind of know, uh, you
know what you're doing with Trey Lance. I just haven't
heard that, and I don't really understand why if we're
kind of penciling in Tom Brady is a potential landing
spot because he's from the Bay Area, well, Aaron Rodgers
from the Bay Area to that one doesn't make sense

(02:08:52):
to me. Yeah, I guess it's just do you really
feel like that's a move Green Bay is gonna make.
That's that's the part of it with me, is I
think that that Brady going to the Niners, the Bucks
are not going to be competitive. They're like, the Bucks
are not gonna end with you. We were just talking

(02:09:14):
about Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers to the
Green to the San Francisco forty Niners. I'll tell you what, Uh,
let's come back. We can continue this conversation and what
we will do, We'll go ahead and bring in Chris Plank.
Chris Plank of course hosting for Bernie Fratto following our show,
Chris Plank. Next, we'll talk Rogers, will talk San Francisco,

(02:09:36):
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(02:10:23):
I haven't talked to you in a while. I don't
know if Jason and you hang out often, but I
haven't talked to you a while. How to know? We don't.
We don't, So this is nice. This is a good
little treat for me leading up to uh the four
hours Sware through the middle of the night. Aaron, I, Uh,
I gotta tell you something. I love the college basketball season.
Last Saturday. I can't stand it today. What's going on

(02:10:43):
in my sooners? Holy smokes man. You blow out Alabama,
then you lose to Oaklahoma State and get throttled. Today,
I think the bubble burst. But are we still in
a world where people give a damn about bubble conversations?
Or no, oh they will Yeah right, well, wait wait
until about two you know, only four months from now,
when we have the Iowa versus two lane for the

(02:11:05):
thirteenth spot in the college football playoff conversation Chris Blanks,
So it's coming, Blake. We got a lot going on.
I will say this though, you are Mr Laker, So
even though you're you're based in Oklahoma, you love the Lakers.
Are you on it right now? Are? What? Are you
in or out Kyrie? If if if? If Kyrie is
available and I'm not totally sold that he is, but

(02:11:26):
if he is actually available and the Nets are willing
to trade him, as a Lakers fan, do you want
him on your team? Yeah? I think so. Um, But
I also I've had a weird take on this. I
kind of blamed Josi, the governor of the Nets, for
a lot of this is Kyrie mal content? Sure, um,
but you pretty much knew that at the moment you
made that deal. So I don't think josephs I ever

(02:11:47):
forgave him for not getting vaccinated. Um. I understand that
it's not a full season, but he has been money
since he got back from his six game suspension. Seems
like the fans forgave him because he was eating vote
getter for guards in the East. So uh, I'm I'm
I'm cool with Kyrie Irving if he ends up in
l A. And my god, Lebron is tampering like crazy

(02:12:09):
right now to try to get him there, So I
don't think it can get much worse for l A.
But listen, what can you trade? What can the Lakers trade?
Are you giving up Thomas Bryant, Russell Westbrook and Austin Reaves?
Probably not, It's not something they want. With the Clippers
entering the chat, I think they have a more formidable
opportunity to to maybe acquire Kyrie if they want him,

(02:12:32):
and it seems like they might. But yeah, I'm fine
with it. Whatever this this Lakers thing is that's going
on the last couple of seasons, I'd be willing to
do whatever it takes to try to get a little
bit more juice right now. So my take on it,
Chris is outside of Lebron, James, I don't trust anybody
to really harness what Kyrie can be. Likest to the Clippers,
we're talking load management central. I don't think that's the

(02:12:55):
environment that you put him in, Like if you're a
drug addict. I don't think you said and the guy
into a into a crack house and say this is
where he's going to stay clean here for a little bit,
exactly like Lebron is the one dude we know there's
demonstrable success with those two gentlemen playing alongside one another.

(02:13:15):
Lebron's the one guy where I think this makes some
kind of sense Outside of that, I don't want poison
in my organization. And if he's not happy, that's exactly
what you get with you're seeing a play at right now.
I mean that's the reality of it. He's he's not happy,
he didn't get his extension like he wanted. And I
mean I had to laugh last night, Jason, I saw

(02:13:37):
the Chris Chris Haynes had. Is nothing against Chris, but
it's just it popped in my timeline that Kyrie plans
to play even if he's not traded. You're like, thanks
for for honoring your contract and and it's still playing right.
But I just I think that is a a money
take Jason Martin because in my mind, you know, you
you have a guy that you know has all the abilities.

(02:14:00):
He can go out, he can score. Uh. He he
is one of the top guys when it comes to
you know, odd angles and still getting buckets at the basket.
I mean he is. He's a legit score And the
only dude that's been able to kind of keep that
under control, and even they had a falling out was
Lebron James. So uh, to me, right now, this kind

(02:14:21):
of iteration of the Lakers isn't necessarily going anywhere, even
though I mean there are only four games out of
the four seed right now, but every time they have
a chance to make some hey, they blow it like
they did tonight. So count me in as as a
Lakers fan who um is angry to see how you know,
getting rid of guys like Brandon Ingram, even though you
get Anthony Davis, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy.

(02:14:42):
How that hasn't necessarily panned out? Um. I know some
Laker fans would say, but we want a title, and
I agree, but all everyone does is dump over that title.
It was in the bubble. You didn't have to go anywhere.
So give me Kyrie. Let's see how this works out
and see if the Lakers can make a run. Because
even after getting this was something we learned last night
that that blew me away. You know, I think you

(02:15:02):
get read of Wrestle Westbrook and all that opens up
so much salary wise for the Lakers. It doesn't. It
just doesn't. So they're still gonna be kind of in
I know, there's not a true salary cap. They're gonna
be kind of in financial hell next year. Still, so
you'll make the move. Why not, Let's see if you
can make a run here, because you could still find
yourself in a spot where you're hosting a playoff series.

(02:15:23):
Real quick plank um, Jason, I actually led the show.
We were coming in right after the Pelicans Lakers game.
Well we didn't actually talk Lakers, but it feels like
there's not a lot of buzz, or as much buzz
as I would have expected about this Lebron passing Kareem stuff.
Um and my my kind of hypothesis. You know, Jason

(02:15:45):
just said, we expect greatness from Lebron. It's not surprising.
My hypothesis is because the team is struggling. Um. You know,
it feels very individualistic in a in an awful season
on the floor, a disappointing season on the floor. Um.
And because he's not a career laker, it's not like
a Kobe or a Dirk or even a Dwyane Wade,
who yes, he left Miami, Boddy came back to end

(02:16:06):
his career. You don't really get to celebrate the entire
career because he hasn't been with you. I guess what
I'm asking is, do you feel like this story has
been undercovered and if so, what do you think it
might be? Yeah, I mean I think again, that's a
great point, Aaron. This is this is one of those
records that for me, knowing the longevity of cream Abdul Jabbar,

(02:16:27):
I never thought it was gonna be broken, you know.
I I thought that, especially with the way that NBA
careers are trending, and also with the lack of games
that guys are I mean, let's just be honest, the
lack of games guys are playing. And then you have
this genetic and athletic freak that comes out of nowhere
in Lebron James. But you're right, you know there, You're
the You're the third stop, and yeah, you want you

(02:16:49):
want to you want a championship. But through this whole process,
it's it's just not the greatness level team wise that
you would expect. Right um in you you hit the list.
Kobe life for Magic, life for Kaream wasn't necessarily a
life for with the Lakers, But once he got to
l A, he was l A through and through and
want a bunch of titles. So I I'm with you.

(02:17:12):
I was, in fact, I was. I was sitting here
going over the notes and realizing that he's just thirty
six points away and looking ahead over the next few
games for the Lakers. Um, you know, and I guess,
hypothetically there's a chance he could break this record in
in Oklahoma City, which I'm off for, but uh, it's
just not it's not what it would be. I think
if it went, I guess that would be against Oklahoma

(02:17:33):
City in l A. Uh, it's just not what I expected.
As far as buzz around it, I think that's a
really good point, you know, kind of like the Brady
retirement this week. It's like Brady retires on the beach,
everyone spends a day talking about it, and then we
move on. I was like, well Tom Brady retired. I mean,
I know we did this with this dog and Pony
show last year, but wow, we moved on rather quickly.
It's almost as if we haven't really started to. I

(02:17:55):
don't know, realize Aaron, that this is happening right now
and there's some sort of disc next somewhere, which just
it's not even resonating. I think with a massive amount
of the fan base, not just Laker fans, but beyond
Laker fans in the NBA and in sports, this isn't
a This isn't a major story right now to a
lot of people, and it really should be. Chris what
and you're plugged in so you you will know? How bad?

(02:18:16):
Does it feel like the Big twelve wants to wants
to kind of move forward in a post Oklahoma Texas world?
Like it's like, this is moving, this is moving in
an interesting direction. I'm really glad you brought that up,
because I don't know if everyone's going to be around
at three am Central time when we opened the hour
with this. But I you know, I feel like Jason

(02:18:38):
I've covered this story since its inception in twenty one,
which is wild to think that now we're heading into
a third football season with Oklahoma and Texas as lane
duck members of the Big Twelve, and we didn't even
know if they would last after one season, right, But
it's it's twenty This is unprecedented for teams that are
moving on to other conference is. But I think you

(02:19:01):
reached this point where we're truly finding out who runs
college sports. And if you didn't know before, you know
now it's it's TV because the Big Twelve is ready
to move on. They've got their their new twelve team
league and the playoffs expanded twelve in. They don't want
Oklahoma in Texas getting their playoff spot, right, That's that's

(02:19:24):
the last freaking thing you want. And I get it.
Oklahoma was six and seven last year. Texas hasn't been
what we expected them to. But you're talking about two
teams that have had top five recruiting classes and seem
to be trending back in the right direction on that
front when it comes to bringing in talent. So the
Big Twelve, there's five entities in this and trying to

(02:19:44):
make this whole the Big twelve, Oh you Texas, ESPN
and Fox. Uh, there's a myriad of buyouts. Right, So
in order to get out, and this is nerdy stuff
and I'll be quick, Jason, but in order to get out,
you had to agree to a number, which is eighty
million dollars with the with the time left on the
TV deal. But if you wait till at zero. But
now magically it's like whoaa in twelve we started ninety

(02:20:07):
nine year agreement. So you still have to pay us
a certain amount of money to get out. So apparently,
oh you Texas and the Big twelve all reached the
number financially where they're like, let's go, and the Big
twelve is happy, Oh you Texas were happy they get
to start their new lives. But Fox came back and said,
we don't like this where we we we don't like

(02:20:27):
what we're doing, whether it was future nonconference games, whether
it was a financial stake for Fox, and so TV,
as great as it is for college sports, just imploded.
Oklahoma and Texas getting out early. Now, I know all
the reports on Friday where installed it's not happening. But
if there's one thing I've learned, deadline spur action. Unfortunately, boys,

(02:20:48):
there's no dead life in this right now. So I
don't know what the next step is, but Jason, you
hit it on the head man. The Big Twelve is
ready to move on. They're ready to be a twelve
team league and see what their future. It's like, Aaron,
if that includes Gonzaga on the basketball side, that will
be interesting. But yeah, it's it's it's become quite a
mess right now. Over the last few weeks. I literally

(02:21:08):
had the thought during this Gonzaga game they would be
the seventh best team in the Big Twelve this year
and they probably shouldn't be rushing to get there. But
I actually, I actually do you want to follow up
on that? Because you know, you bring it up, and
I guess I'm just curious, as a guy who who eats,
sleeps and breeze Oklahoma, where is the fan base at
on the move? I mean, I think everybody's excited. Sec
and Plank. I remember talking to you the week that

(02:21:30):
this happened, and you know, we get to replace in
Iowa State eleven AM kickoff with Georgia at night, and
everybody's all excited. But obviously a lot has changed with
the program Now, I want to give coach Venable's credit.
He did sign a great recruiting class in this post
previous cycle, So so rebuilding it from the ground up,
if you will. But is the fan base ready to
move on from the Big twelve? Do they know they're
not quite ready for the sec Like like if if

(02:21:52):
the fans had their way and we know they don't, like,
where are they at on the move? As far as
are we ready or do would we could we use
the extra a year to kind of rebuild this thing
where they at? I think it's a it's a question
we bring up a lot on on my local show, uh,
one of the great affiliates of Fox Sports Radio k
F and Norman, and it's it's truly split. There's some

(02:22:14):
that say, give us time, let's develop this recruiting class.
They've got a five star quarterback coming in that everyone's
high on in Jackson Arnold, So you want to give
him some time if he's the starting court. I don't
think it's gonna be next year, but the following season. Uh,
And let's continue to recruit these dudes on the interior
of the defensive and offensive line, which is where you
gotta be good. In the SEC, let's take our time.

(02:22:37):
But then there's others and not like the Big twelve
is easy, right, but it's a little different world than
seeing Georgia and Alabama and Tennessee UM. And then there's
others that are like, let's just go pull the band
aid off with the'll are we waiting for? I'm tired
of now a home schedule that has no offense to
go to night fans because I'm excited about it, but
a home schedule that has UCF. Like Oklahoma had a

(02:22:57):
nonconference game this year with Georgia that they had punt
because the SEC was like, hey, let's let's redo this.
So oh use on schedule which would have had, you know,
Georgia and maybe a Texas text not a big deal
to some, but Georgia in Texas Tech on it. Well,
now it's s MU and instead of Texas Tech as
UCF coming to town. So I think fans want that

(02:23:19):
home slate. I think there's also the financial stake in it. Sure,
you gotta step up, but they're doing the things to
step up facility wise. Obviously they gotta get a lot
better on the field, but it's a it's gonna be
a fascinating time to see if you're able to get
there sooner. And I felt like for a while every
and if you talked, if you had Jocastiglione on on

(02:23:40):
Fourth Mike with us right now, he'd be saying all
about twenty five. But I also think everyone reached a
point last year where they're like, all right, let's go.
And I think that's what's really accelerated this now. I
think they feel really good about where they are and
where they're heading. He is Chris Plank. You can hear
him at the top of the hour, filling in for
Bernie Fratto. Of course, he also hosts with uh you know,

(02:24:00):
with Arnie Spanier on Sunday nights, by the way, on
Top of Our on Top of your show. This tonight, Plank,
you will also be hosting with Arnie basically the postgame
Super bowls. Are are you guys on? Yeah, We're on
during the Super Bowl next week, so yeah. And I
think I might even be out officially in l A
next Sunday. So yeah, yeah, let's go coming on Saturday.

(02:24:22):
Do do a couple of segments? Come hang, how I
might be able to do that? I do have to
figure out how to get there, So that might be
a good practice run for me from where I'm staying
to make sure I know where I'm going. I'm terrible
even with my phone direction wise, so that's not a
bad idea. Aeron tours. There you go. Be a great
practice run. Uh, that'll be a great practice run. So
we will see you probably, I don't know, ten pm
Eastern next Saturday, ten pm Pacific, I should say, but

(02:24:45):
you gotta get ready for your show tonight. So he
is Chris Plank. Thanks guys. You can hear him the
top of the hour, the Plank Show on Twitter and
of course every Sunday with Arnie Spanier as well. Thank you, Plank.
We appreciate the time. Thanks guys. All right, that is
Chris Plank. As I said, he will up at the
top of the hour following us for Bernie Fretta, who
was out tonight, coming up. React to some of the
stuff that Chris Plank said before we do the final

(02:25:08):
time this evening, let's toss over the news desk Steve
di Sega, what's up? Hello? Reminder the NASCAR Open Sunday
night on Fox TV with the clash at the l
A Coliseum. The exhibition a quarter mile track on the
floor of the coliseum this weekend. The exhibition debut last year.
The Dallas Cowboys promoted Brian Schottenheimer's offensive coordinator. He was
a consultant there last year. The Broncos are allowing defensive

(02:25:29):
coordinator as Ero A Barrow out of his contracts so
we can interview elsewhere, including four Minnesota Eagles. Tackle Lane
Johnson says he'll play in the Super Bowl next weekend
despite missing practice all this week with a groin injury.
He'll have surgery later Philadelphia against Kansas City on Fox
TV from Arizona. The Pro Bowl Flag Football game is
Sunday in Las Vegas. Last night checked up. Our level

(02:25:51):
tickets are about thirty five dollars including ticket Master fees
thirty five bucks upper level at an NFL stadium for
like from bunk. I guess that's why they're still doing it,
I asked the quest Yeah. Even the skills thing got
a million viewers, which was about the same as the
TNT basketball doubleheader Thursday night. So yeah. Pictures and catchers

(02:26:11):
report to MLB Spring training at just under two weeks.
The Dodgers will retire Fernando Velenzuela's number thirty four in August,
and the NHL All Star Game was won by the
Atlantic Division in Florida today, beating the Central in the
final seven to five. Florida's own Matthew could chuck the
game m VP. The league schedule were Zooms on Monday night.
We had Golden State win at home in the NBA tonight,

(02:26:32):
but Steph Curry left with a leg injury. Warriors held
on to beat Dallas one thirteen. Out for the mass
with the bruised heel was Luka dons it she'll be
out Monday as well. Denver had Nicola Yoki questionable for
tonight with hamstring tightness. He played. He had a triple
double including eighteen rebounds. Nuggets beat Atlanta one oh h
Jamal Murray forty one points, and Aaron Gordon of Denver

(02:26:55):
returned from a sprained ankle at fifteen points at Oklahoma
City one three one Okay CB Houston shake gil Just
Alexander forty two points. Houston Rockets record thirteen and forty.
Detroit lost again they are fourteen and forty. Pistons lost
at home to Phoenix one six one, DeAndre eight and
thirty one points and sixteen rebounds. Clippers one in overtime

(02:27:18):
at New York Kawhi Leonard thirty five points, Paul George thirty.
Chicago got a win Milwaukee one at seventh in a row.
Brooklyn was down twenty and the third quarter and still
edge Washington one five, one three. Bradley Beale was out
with a sore foot for the Wizards tonight. Kyle Kuzma
left with a sprained ankle. The Wizards had won six
straight until last night, when they blew an early twenty

(02:27:39):
point lead and lost. New Orleans had lost ten straight
games until beating the Lakers this evening one thirty one, one,
twenty six. Brandon Ingram thirty five points against l a
He scores more against them than any other team. Lebron
James had twenty seven points from three point range, was
one of seven. Lebron needs thirty six points more to
pass Kareem. In College is Indiana upset number one, Produce

(02:28:02):
sevente four, Number two Tennessee beat Auburn forty forty three. Overall.
Each club shot about from the floor. Virginia Tech upset
number six. Virginia Texas came back to win at number
seven Kansas State and Iowa State pounded number eight Kansas
and in the top twenty late night matchup, it win
over time at St. Mary's with the home team beating

(02:28:22):
in Zaga seventy. You know t Iowa beat Illinois. Today
it was Rutgers over Michigan State, Creighton defeated Villanova, Duke
over North Carolina, and Louisville is three and twenty in
college basketball after losing a close one to Florida State.
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(02:28:44):
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and I wouldn't have thought to ask it, and I'm
glad you did. This big twelve Texas Oklahoma thing is

(02:29:08):
getting very interesting for people who don't know, and Plank
just kind of laid it out really well for us
UM as things stand, you know, really ever since that
that initial report happened, and then, of course, you know,
the Texas and Oklahoma officially do go to the Big
TWA or ago announced they're going to the SEC. Um

(02:29:28):
was kind of the drop dead date, and it was
interesting because you know, you start to hear reports is
it gonna be before? And I had the thought that
Plank had that Plank just mentioned a few weeks ago,
is that we're going to a twelve team playoff in
And does the Big Twelve want Texas and Oklahoma in

(02:29:49):
that league and risk having Texas be their representative or
have Oklahoma be their representative and then go out the
door to the SEC. And so I always thought the
Big Twelve probably wanted this US and then we find
out this week that they do. But it's actually the
TV partners that want Texas and Oklahoma in the league
for another year to fulfill their TV contracts, to get

(02:30:10):
the ratings that Texas and Oklahoma bring. I think it's
a really interesting story and I think, as as Planks said,
it does kind of peel back the layers on who
really runs things in college sports these days. Yeah, it does.
And I think that point about you don't want that.
You don't want your representative to them walk out the
door like you want your conference. I think you just

(02:30:31):
kind of want to have more of a more of
a sense of your league being stable soon. Like things
are getting out of control, and I know that the
moves are certainly not done. We're going to continue to
see more things change. That's just the nature of where
we find ourselves right now. But you do look at
it as a power and you look at where Oklahoma

(02:30:53):
and Texas are going. They're already halfway out the door.
You're already looking towards what you're gonna do as a conference,
how you're gonna evolve, what you're gonna bring to the dance.
And maybe it's time that it's like, look, let's just
cut the court now, because it's gonna be painful anyway.
We know we're losing big time partners, but what are
we really gaining out of this right now? Like this

(02:31:15):
is inevitable at this point in time, and I think
at some point maybe you just look at it. It's
just like can we just go ahead and move on?
And that that's that's that's why I asked the question,
and he immediately says real bad like that was. That
was his response, Like, the conference is ready to just
turn this page and see what they can do going forward.

(02:31:36):
And look, we just saw a year in which Oklahoma
Texas weren't general factors. Texas was decent, but Oklahoma certainly
was not. But you look at the rest of the
Big Twelve, that was a good year for them in football.
It really was. They had depths from places we weren't
necessarily expecting, and then the teams we anticipated being good,
at least from the like Kansas State perspective, they were good.

(02:31:58):
We even had a few teams had down year, but
even those teams were very competitive. So I think that
the conference maybe in better shape. But you just kind
of want to be fully formed, and until they're gone,
you're kind of looking at them like, yeah, we know
you're leaving out the side door, and it just kind
of feels off, and maybe that's part of this. Yeah,
I do think overall, it was a great year, as

(02:32:19):
you said, for the Big Twelve, where um, you know
TCU and and k State play for the title. You
have a great game TCU. First of all, the place
is packed, it feels like a big game. It feels important.
Then obviously TCU goes to the playoff and gets a
win there against Michigan, and I think you probably want
to keep that momentum going. And then I mentioned too,
and I I know in the grand scheme it's not

(02:32:40):
that important, but but the Basketball conference is great. Um,
you're gonna add be adding Houston to the mix there,
and everything is in a positive direction on the eight
teams that are staying and then you're adding four. And
I can see where the league is ready to move on.
They got their new TV contract. They want to keep
that momentum. But as Plank told us, it's the TV
partners that are not ready for those two to move

(02:33:02):
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(02:33:49):
Crown today. By the way, if anybody missed any of
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We talked Lebron Kai Re, Jim Beeheim Uh, Aaron Rodgers,
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What what did we not talk about today? Well, we

(02:34:10):
covered everything, Jason, pretty much. One thing I was going
to ask you at some point, even though I mean
there's still you know, we've still got a lot of
basketball left to be played. Is with Purdue going down
in Tennessee, losing to Florida earlier this week, and I
just am not convinced that anybody is all that great.
If you had to tell me who the best team

(02:34:32):
in the country is right now, you would say, what,
I think it's weird. I think Alabama is play is
the best. I think they they at their best, have
been the best team. I also think weirdly that Perdue
would be a really bad matchup for them. UM, and
I worry about Alabama because four of their key rotation

(02:34:53):
players are freshmen. And just historically, listen, cal Parry won
won a title with Anthony Davis as the center pieces
of freshman and coach k did it once. But it's
just really hard for freshman to win big in the tournament. Um,
but you look at everybody else, everybody else has flaws.
I mean, Perdue, by the way, has two freshman guards.
And we saw it today to Segre gave us the stats.

(02:35:13):
You know, zach Eti went for like zach Eti the
center of everybody's national Player of the year, he went
for like twenty nine and eighteen or something, and he
didn't have enough help. And so I just think everybody's flawed.
It'll will eventually whittle it down by the end of
the regular season. To you know that we will know.
But I mean, Arizona has been up and down. Kansas State,

(02:35:35):
who I actually think is pretty good, lost twice this week.
Kansas got destroyed today. UM Texas is still playing under
an interim head coach. Gonzaga lost tonight. It's just gonna
be so wide open. It's just gonna be so wide
open um. And I think most years, like like, I
always used a stat and I might have dropped it
last week. I forget if I did or not. But
every year everybody says, oh, it's so wide open. Here's

(02:35:57):
the truth. Since two thousands seven, we've had, uh, that's
fifteen n c A tournaments. We've had eleven or twelve No, No, No,
fourteen n c A tournaments because twenty wasn't played. So
the last fourteen n c A tournaments, eleven have been
won by a number one seed. One was won by
the top number two seed, which is basically a one seed,
and the other two were won by Kona when they

(02:36:18):
had the best player in the tournament, Kemba Walker inven
In Shabazan Apeen. So I bring it up to say,
everyone says every year it's wide open, and by the
end of by the time we play the tournament, it's
basically down to about four or five teams that can
win it. If you're not a number one seed, or
you don't have the best player in the tournament, you're
probably not winning it. This year. I don't know if
I feel that way though, because I just I look
at Purdue. We saw today if if even when Zachiety

(02:36:40):
goes off for thirty and twenty, they're beatable. Tennessee, I mean,
that offense speaks for itself. Alabama four freshmen, Virginia, that
offense speaks for itself. Kansas has taken some really bad losses.
It's just it really is gonna be a really wide
open tournament this year. I'm actually really excited about it. Yeah,
I mean, just in terms of the viewing experience, it's
gonna be pure chaos, or it feels like it should be.

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Like if it turns out that it's chalk, that's gonna
be really disappointing for me as a viewer, because I
mean I watched a good bit of these games on Saturday.
I'm just like, I see, I mean, obviously Eati's one thing,
but perdue it is flawed. You look at Tennessee and
I saw this last year when they got beat by
Michigan for in the first weekend of the tournament. All

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they gotta do is have one offshooting night and they're done.
And that happens, and then that's a story for a
lot of these teams like Kansas I've not been impressed
with I wasn't sure. I never bought into where they
found themselves earlier in the season. Some team could potentially
sneak in and do some real damage out of nowhere.
But it should be absolutely glorious to watch as long

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as you're okay watching a lot of mediocrity, because that's
what it's gonna be. Real quick. We only got about
a minute left. But did North Carolina uns North Carolina
duke today? Neither team was ranked. I just don't think
it feels as big without coach K. Where is it
because the team stung? Did it feel the same to you?
Or is it different because coach K is not on

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the sideline? Totally different? I mean I grew up on
Tobacco Road. I grew up and we talked about Wake earlier.
I grew up in wins in Salem, and um, that
game is supposed to matter. I do think coach K
says a lot, But I mean I grew up with
Dean Smith. He was the coach when I lived there.
Then it was Guthrie and then you have Roy Williams
come in, and it was it was still special there.
I think that's part of it is just Hubert Davis

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versus John Shire is just not it right now, like
it's gonna They're gonna have to build those programs. I
know Davis is coming off a final four runner in
a national Championship appearance where they had a real look
at it um, but I just kind of see it
as these are two programs. This feels like they need
to have something special happened. This is why you don't
want to replace the guy. You want to replace the

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guy who replaced the guy whoever has to replace Nick
Saban ain't gonna be Nick Saban. I don't care how
good he is. No, I don't disagree, and I do
think there was something missing without coach k He was
great villain. Sports need villains. Both that said, it is
time for us to get out here. I want to
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