Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger Preview Super Bowl LVII

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next five hours, giving you all the latest news, all

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the latest developments as we get ready for what we hope.
Whether you're rooting for the Eagles, rooting for the Cheese,
or have no rooting interests at all, we just want
a good football game. And you know, it's just the
thirteen time since seating began in nineteen seventy five that
we have two number one seeds in the Super Bowl.

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Rich and I think you and I both agree currently
these are the two best teams in the NFL. Yeah,
there's no question about that, there's no question about that,
and I'm so glad that you started there because you know,
like the reality is, I think everybody cares about the
Super Bowl for their own reasons. You know, people show

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up with their husband or wife who's really interested in football,
or you have a rooting interest either side, whether it
be or an Eagles fan or a Chiefs fan, or
you like the commercials, or you like to party because
it has become a holiday in this country to get
together with family and friends and party on Super Bowl Sunday,
whatever your reasons, though, the best Super Bowls, the most

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memorable super Bowls, are when the game becomes the conversation.
It It just sort of kills the vibe at the party.
It kills the atmosphere when you don't have a good game.
And that's what I'm thinking we're gonna see. I mean,
we have to evenly matched teams. We have two elite
quarterbacks who are young quarterbacks in this league, so this

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bodes well for the future of the NFL. And we've
got two defense is one obviously a little bit more
secure team wise and the Eagles, but the Chiefs coming
on late in this season, that can absolutely wreck house
I'm I'm excited. I think this is going to be
a good one. I feel like every time I say that, though, Steve,
it ends up being a blowout game. Well, and you know,

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I was listening to the guys earlier this morning talking
about well, I love I love crack right. I mean
the guy he admitted that by the time this game
kicks up he has seventy five different wagers on this game. Yeah,
he's he's all in. Man. I love spending time with
that guy. He puts his money where his mouth is. Yeah,
he is all ready to go. Now. Of course, as

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we get ready for this game, we're gonna give you
all the latest news. There's a lot of news happening
around the NFL we're gonna get to as well. But
also everyone's getting ready for their big Super Bowl parties. Um.
You know, I've always had this. I have covered many
Super Bowl weeks and I'll tell you a little bit
about my experience in Arizona this week. But I've actually
have only stayed been in attendance for four Super Bowl games. Uh,

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and I have felt looking back on those four games,
they are four games I missed Because when you're at
the game, it's like any other game, which is the
super Bowl obviously is not super Bowl to me, is
the whole experience, including the commercials, super Bowl parties, getting
together with friends and family, although I haven't done a

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lot of that because I'm always been working seemingly on
Super Bowl Sunday. But to me, that's part of the experience,
right Rich. I mean, there are a lot of people
that feel that the Monday after Super Bowl should be
a national holiday, you know, it's it should be a
recovery day from everything that's going on. I was talking
to my oldest son, Drake. He's twenty six now. He's
going to a huge super Bowl party today. He says, Dad,

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it's a little embarrassing because he's not a big sports guy.
He's a movie guy. And so he goes, you know
that everyone knows who my dad is. So can you
give me some names of people? I go, well, you know, Mahomes,
Jalen Hurts, I'm not I'm trying to fill him in,
Travis Kelsey, A J. Brown, DeVante Smith. No, you know,
just some passable names out. But it becomes you know,

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that event that transcends football, transcends sports. This is unlike
really any day in America. It isn't it's not it's
not like any any other day because it's it's it's really,
first of all, this is America's game. And I understand
that for a long time baseball was the the pastime

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for Americans, but that it's just no longer the case. Um.
Football has taken center stage. It's been at center stage
for at least fifteen twenty years, UM, and it really
has become the obsession of Americans. And it's not just
the game. It's not just going to the game or
watching the games at home. It's the fantasy football aspect,

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which is the perfect companion an app four sports league.
No other league has really come close to replicating the
success that the NFL has had with that. It's also
the water cooler talk on Monday's or Friday's after Thursday
night football, getting you set for a football weekend. It's
also the fact that Super Bowl Sunday has become a
national holiday. It's unacceptable almost to be by yourself on

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a Super Bowl Sunday. You've got to find a crowd
to be a part of. And so yeah, it's it's
it's interesting, man. I I've lived through the transition you know,
I'm thirty seven this year. As I've aged, I've watched
baseball soar to the highest possible heights. And I grew
up in New York. The Yankees were everything, and I
saw the I saw the flames start to flicker, you know,

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and then the NFL really soared to the front and
center of the psyche for everybody. So yeah, it's it's
an interesting time to be a football fan. It's an
interesting time to watch football. And then the gambling aspect
of it's Steve, did you know that one deep person?
This is based on a survey done by the American
Gaming Association. Twenty percent of the United States is going

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to wager on Super Bowl fifty seven. There will be
sixteen billion dollars spent on wagers on Super Bowl fifty seven.
The population of the country is three hundred fifty millions,
So when you think about that, of that population is
over sixty million people. That is the same number of
people who tell who who, when surveyed, admit that jogging

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is one of their hobbies. I mean, this game has
exploded in popularity, no question about that. I think that's
a low number probably. I mean, in fact, Super Bowl
I'm as you know, I'm not a gambler for a
good reason because I'm always wrong. Um, but super Bowl
is that one game, right, I mean, you know how
it is. You have the little boxes, you know where

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whether what are the point totals, you know, small stuff,
you know where, you're at a party, and you just
figure out ways to do some kind of wagering to
make the game even more interesting. So it's a big
Sunday for everybody out there now. Originally, and I last
spoke to Rich, I talked to you on Friday as
I was heading back from Arizona. Um, I thought you
were gonna be here, but you're you actually had to

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change your super Bowl party plans today. So you know
you're down in San Diego right now. So what happened
here because I talked to you Friday, what was the
upheaval to change your super Bowl party plans? Well, originally
we had gotten invited to a super Bowl party last
weekend up in l A. And then Um, talking with Ann,
she said, well, I mean, let's see what's going on

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in San Diego. You know, So I I realized. I
was like okay, I was like all right. I was
excited for the l a party. But then our neighbors
are throwing this huge party down the block, so we're
gonna be going over there for the game. As soon
as we turned off our microphones at three o'clock, I'm
grabbing the dip, I'm grabbing the chips, and I'm walking
about ten houses down and it's going to be, uh,

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it's going to be a celebration like it is in
many households across the country. All right. So what I'm
doing in your absence here is I've got obviously Sam,
and I got Ryan, and I have Monsey here, so
I'm going to treat them to some food. But there
and in fact, the right now i'm watching, they're having
a major discussion. They're not listening to anything we're saying, right,
so they're having a major discussion because, as you know,

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Monsey is a vegetarian. Uh, And now and then she's
got to figure out how to you know, result the
two here, you know. And and I don't really need
that much. I have a full day because we have
this show and then I have TV later on today,
so it's it's a big, big, super busy day for
us here, all right. So we got a lot of
things we're gonna break down in this game over the

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course of these five hours as we cant you down
to Super Bowl fifty seven between the Eagles and the Chiefs.
One quick note is that the line on this game
is held steady where the Eagles have been a point
and hal favorite. And it's interesting to me Rich because
and I'll get into more details some of the things
I heard in Arizona, but when you were just you know,

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walking around and talking to different people and started getting
their thoughts about this Super Bowl, I mean everybody was
in on the Eagles. I mean it was basically the
same storyline. Everyone said, look, the Eagles are the better team,
but the Chiefs had the best player in Mahomes. And
it just seems weird that so many people are picking
the Eagles. And remember they've won their two playoff games

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by scores of thirty eight to seven and thirty one seven,
two blowouts against the Giants, and the course, for the
Nanders had no quarterback, and Mahomes is a lot better
than Daniel Jones. So it's just interesting to me with
all the buzz seemingly that yeah, well you know Mahomes, Yeah,
but the Eagles are the better team that this line

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is holding steady, and from what I'm reading now, just
sort of following your late movement, seems like late money
is going in on the cheese EEFs, So who knows.
By by kickoff it could be a pick up game.
But it just seems weird that so many people are
conceding the fact that the Eagles are the better team,

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but the Mahomes factor is weighing heavy at least people
that are wagering on this game. Well, football is one
of those games, like we know that waiting until game
day to cast your your your your bed is probably
the right move because so much can change in one
week leading up to a game. When you're given two

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weeks to mull everything over. Uh. Certainly when there's injuries
that play to two of the most important players in
the game, jail And Hurts and Patrick Mahomes, well then
it makes it even more so a level of importance.
If you're gonna bet aside, you know, if you're gonna
bet Chiefs or Eagles to win or or to cover,
or if you're gonna bet a total to wait until

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game day to see these guys move around a little bit,
to see these guys, warm up to see if you
have any insight on how they're going to perform that day,
and then cast your bat. Look, we're going to see
a tremendous amount of late money surge on both sides.
I'm just curious who's gonna end up being uh, if
there's gonna end up being late line movement on the Chiefs.

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I get the feeling that a lot of people really
like the Eagles today. Of course we'll make our official
picks at the end of the show. But but um,
but yeah, Look, you can't look past Patrick Mahomes in
the experience that he and Andy Reid having these big moments.
It's Jalen Hurst's first time in the Super Bowl, it's
Nick Sirianni's first time coaching a Super Bowl, and that
matters all right. On the other side, if you're leaning

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Mahomes and I don't say Chiefs, I mean Mahomes, I'm
gonna give you some numbers that maybe you need to
know before you go all in on the Chiefs today.
Keep it right here. This is Fox Football Sunday. Steve
Harbin and Rich arm Burger, welcome back. This is Fox
Football Sunday. We are alive from the ti iraq dot

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com studios as we continue our out down to Super
Bowl fifties seven, as the Eagles and Chiefs get ready
to partake and what we are hoping is going to
be a memorable Super Bowl matchup. So Rich I was
talking earlier, those that are leaning Chiefs in this game

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obviously are doing so because the league's m v P
is the quarterback of the Chiefs. It's not Daniel Jones,
is not Brock Purty that the Eagles defense is facing.
This is Patrick Mahomes. And his numbers are remarkable. I
mean we're talking about, I mean, try to put in
perspective what this guy has done in five years as
a starting quarterback in the NFL. He has led his

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team to the conference championship game all five years. He's
won three of those and the other two he lost
an overtime. So I mean, he conceivably could be in
five straight Super Bowls. And the passing numbers are equally
out of this world. So in eighty regular season starts,
he's sixty four and sixteen with a passer rating of

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one oh five point seven. In thirteen postseason starts, he's
ten and three were the one oh six point one
passer rating. So yeah, again this is this is Hall
of Fame stuff, right. However, However, in Super Bowls it's
been a different story. So remember he leads the Chiefs

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to the come from behind victory over the forty Niners
and the Super Bowl and he's named Super Bowl m
v P. In that game, his passer rating was seventy
eight point one and only nine games in his career
out of eighty starts as he had a lower passer
rating than seventy eight point one. But let's go to
the next year, the blowout loss against Tampa. His passerady

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in that game fifty two point three, the worst of
any game he has played in his entire career, regular
season or postseason. So when I look at the game
and I'm trying to formulate away where the Chiefs are
gonna win this game, Patrick Mahomes is going to have

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to have a huge game, and based on his two
previous Super Bowl experiences, if he has those kind of numbers,
they have no chance. So that when you have when
I look at this, that's that's what this comes down to.
Can Mahomes have a Mahomes type day against that Eagles defense?
The reason why we love Mahomes or or why the

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general public is so enamored with Mahomes is because he's
an amazing talent. And the only reason why we know
that is because the Chief's offense truly truly leans on
him to do special teams to win as many games
as the Chiefs have one since he's been a starting quarterback. Look,
when when you have a Brock Purty, it's great that

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he can handle the moment that he's he's composed. It's
great that he knows the playbook well enough that a
third string quarterback can walk into a huddle and still
seemingly keep the wheels on and have some success. There's
no question that that's great in its own right. But
you can't rely on brock Purdy to go out there
and win you a whole bunch of games on his own. Like.

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That's not what they were doing. That's not what Kyle
Shanahan wanted him to do, because he knows he can't,
not at this level, not yet. But Patrick Mahomes from
day one. Now, he's been in the league for six years,
he's only been a starting quarterback for five of them.
Because Alex Smith was the starting quarterback of the Kansas
City Chiefs when he first was drafted by them, but

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from his first snap as a starting quarterback, which came
in the final week of the regular season against the
Denver Broncos when the Chiefs were playing against basically their
B team, both teams were on their way to the playoffs.
Patrick Mahomes sword in that game, he looked like a
first round draft pick. He looked like a guy who
you could conceivably replace your starting quarterback. And by the way,

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Alex Smith had a lot of success with the Chiefs
and bring you to the next level. And that's exactly
what happened. Because again, no shade against Alex Smith, no
shade against brock Purty. We don't even know what brock
Purty is gonna turn into. But the reason why the
Chiefs moved on from Alex Smith is because they realized, Hey,
we have a ceiling here. We keep kind of hitting
the same ceiling and it's round one, round two of

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the playoffs, and we we want to advance beyond that.
How do we get there? We need to improve the
quarterback room. They did so with Mahomes, and they did
so with a generational talent. Nobody can predict that. But
Mahomes is exactly that. He is a once in a
generation talent and we've gotten to see it on display
the last five seasons. All Right, now again I want

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to just a state and again we're gonna have our
picks later on the show. I'm just tiny lay out
all the facts for you. All Right. So Mahomes, who
has been this you know, out of the world type
talented quarterback, has not pass the ball well into super Bowls. Okay,
now here's another stat. It just sort of blows your mind.
It just seems is its significant or not. The last

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nine m v ps regular season m vps to play
in the Super Bowl have lost the last nine. The
last time a player won the regular season m v
P played in the Super Bowl and won the Super
Bowl was Kurt Warner in the ninety season. By the way,
two of those nine m vps that lost Super Bowls

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Tom Brady. So he was the MVP in twenty two
thousand seven, he was the MVP in twenty seven team
both those years he lost the Super Bowl. Now, it's
weird because prior to that it was sort of a
mixed bag of m vps winning Super Bowls. Losing super Bowls,
but nine in a row, it just seems really bizarre
that a league's m v P getting to the Super

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Bowl ends up losing the game. And there's a game
that I want to mention a little bit later on
that could be a precursor of things to come on
a little bit later on. Um, So, well, how do
you read it? Decide? I mean, that's you know, nine
in a row, that's that's a bit of a trend.
Rich it is, I I don't know if I really
believe in trends like that. You know, the reality is

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usually on two of them are Tom Brady? Yeah, The
reality is this is this is a game that's played
in a vacuum. It's kind of like flipping a coin
to me, you know what I mean. Like, the reason
why football is so intoxicating from a viewership standpoint is
because you never know what's gonna happen, you know, in baseball,
because these games are played over or I should say

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these these playoffs series are played over games and not
a game usually the better team wins. You know. In
the NBA postseason, same thing, you have seven games to
decide who's gonna win. In advance, Well, the usually the
better team wins, but that's not the case in football.
Just because you have the best player on the field

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doesn't mean you're gonna win, because anybody can win one game,
I mean, and that's as true in basketball and baseball
as it is in football. We just don't get to
see it in the postseason because we have to slog
through these endless series. Some of them are great, most
of them aren't, and usually the best team wins. That's
not the case in football. And so it doesn't shock

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me at all that these m v ps have failed
to win the final game because you have two weeks
to prepare. So if you're the Philadelphia Eagles and you're
hearing everybody talking about Patrick Molomes, Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes
this entire week, well guess what you're doing. You're very
aware that you gotta circle number fifteen on your roster
and find a way to take the game away from him. Now,

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you have to be talented enough to do that. You
have to have a good enough game plan to do that,
and then you have to go out there and execute
that game plan on the biggest stage possible. But like
you mentioned nine times in a row, that's what's happened. Well,
you know, so I I it doesn't surprise me. It
doesn't surprise me because anybody can win one game. All right,
we'll talk about on the other side. Uh, just how

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what is trending right now. Mancy Belanos is here on
this big, big day. So Moncy, how are your friends
and family and you? I mean, what are your game
plan for the big Super Bowl matchup today? Well? I
didn't note first of all, Hi, I am so excited
to be here working on Super Bowl Sunday with you guys. Yeah.

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I didn't know when I was gonna be off, so
I didn't make a lot of plans. But luckily one
of my best friends, who does not care at all
about sports but loves hosting, I told her I'm gonna
be off at through She's like, perfect. I'm gonna party.
I have games, I'll have bingo, I'll have themed food
for football. Who's playing? What colors should I have? So
my friend who lives about ten minutes from here, is

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throwing a little get together. It's gonna be a couple
of us. Yeah, she's so sweet. My dad will be
watching by himself because my mother is in Costa Rica.
So he's gonna chill at home, he said, with the
dog and just watch the game and not worry about
the crowds and just hang out. Saw. That's what I'll
be doing. Once we're done here, I'm gonna go and
have a drinker two and cheer on for the Chiefs.

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I'm cheering. I'm going for the Chiefs. I don't think
they I don't know who's gonna win. I think it's
gonna be a close game. So it wouldn't surprise me
if the Eagles but the Chiefs, because I think the
Eagles are boring the I'm boring. I'm bored. I'm boring
everybody out And the fact that hurts one game this
year I just so. I call me crazy. I want

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to see Patrick Mahomes throw a sideways sideways pass off
you know, a broken foot to Travis Kelsey run. The
running game is boring to me, and that's what the
Eagles rely on. They're they're good. It's not that they're
not good. But I I rather see, you know, Patrick
Mahomes do crazy throws. So that's what I'm That's what
I'm rooting for for no real reason. I have no
dog in the fight, and none of these teams really

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matter to me. I don't believe that rich. I believe
Moncey has got some huge money today, not even a
little bit, because I think it's gonna be a close game.
A tall the only way pounds. But in the gambling
world she's known as well. No, no, no, not in

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this one because I'm not confident. I think it's going
to be a close game. That's what I think. So
but I got good cheaps. That's what I'm going for.
See a lot of a lot of excitement for the game.
But there is a story in the NBA, guys that's
quite interesting. It's from the Athletic The NBA received a
complaint from the Golden State Warriors against the Portland Trailblazers

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and they've launched a review about potential misleading by the
lady by the Blazers. Regarding Gary Peyton, the second who
was just traded back to the Warriors, apparently the core
muscle injury that he had surgery on in the off
season is still in bad shape. The Blazers reportedly would
shoot him up so he could play, but they didn't
tell this to the Warriors when they worked out the deal.

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The Warriors medical staffs say he needs about three months
to recover, So now they're kind of weighing the options
of what to do, whether to cancel the trade or
except being blindsided essentially by you know, the Blazers and
Peyton's medical exactly involved. A lot of teams involved, and
the story continues that he wanted out of Portland's and

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that after the trade happened, he's the one who disclosed
this information to Warriors personnel and that he wanted this
because he rather have the medical staff that the Warriors
have versus the Blazers. Yeah, so this is all from
the athletic, this whole report. All right, All right, well, mons,
now have you figured out the food situation with the guys?
I think we did, Fellas right, Y've gotten it, We've

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gotten it. We're ready to spend your money. He the
least I can do for you guys hanging out today?
All right, very good. We'll check in with the Monster
a little bit later on. Alright, So the Eagles have
a great defense. I mean, think about this, rich. Over
seventeen regular season games, they gave up less than a
hundred and eighty yards passing average per game, and only

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once did they give up more than two fifty yards
passing in any game. But they didn't face Patrick Moms.
So in order to get ready for this game, and
I didn't even know they had done this, but we
found out that they hired Vic Fangio as a consultant
for two weeks. Now we know that Fangio is going

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to be the defensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins, and
he will be joining the Dolphins this week. But he
was a free agent, so they actually signed him for
two weeks. In fact, if the Eagles win this game,
he gets a Super Bowl ring. Oh yeah, so Vic Fangio,
you say why, Vick Fangio will remember he was the
head coach of the Broncos. He has plenty of knowledge.

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Playing twice a year against Mahomes over the last several years.
Obviously one of the most respected defensive coaches in the
entire NFL. So let's let's try to get into the
head of Vic Fangio. Right, he's there, he's consulting with
an already good Eagles defense. You know this is a
defense a setter league record for sacks. We know they
can put pressure on the quarterback. Uh, they got strength

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really throughout their defense. But what do you think Vic
Fangio brought to the table as a consultant to get
this defense ready for Mahomes. Well, I think if you've
watched Broncos games against Patrick Mahomes over the years, they're
a headache to put up with. And it's because of
two things. One, they do a nice job at times

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of getting Mahomes on the run and pushing him towards
the side of the field where they know they're gonna
swing coverage towards. Two, they do a nice job of
disguising coverages to make the pre snap picture look different
than when the ball is snapped. And three, there's a
lot of times where it looks like the rush isn't
really getting to Mahomes, but it is. And I'll explain

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it from this damnpoint. Have you ever liked tried to um,
Like if you were in a subway car or a
train and it's packed, then there's people all around you,
and you try like somebody said, hey, check your phone.
I think I just heard you get a text message.
And then you try to kind of snake your hands
back down towards your pocket because there's just no breathing room, right,

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and you're just trying to get your h and then
you reach into the wrong pocket. It's not in my
jeans pockets, in my co pocket, and then you're elbowing
people and you're getting in everybody else's way trying to
get to your cell phone. That's what it's like for
a quarterback trying to throw out of the pocket when
it's compressed. And that's what Vic Fangio and the Denver
Broncos have done a really nice job of at times,
not always because Mahomes is elusive, but compressing the pocket

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on him, getting good push with the big pigs up front,
you know, pushing on the depth of the pockets, so
getting the center guards center or excuse me, guard center
guard push back into the lap of the quarterback, and
then instead of having the edge rushers really flying around
the corners trying to get to Mahomes. They're actually bull
rushing or ripping their way inside to get more and

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more pressure, just pushing the backs of his own offensive
lineman closer and closer to Patrick Mahomes so that the
timing has to pick up. It's disturbing the timing. And
also he's got to throw out of a well. And
just the same way I was describing that scene on
the subway when you're trying to reach for your phone
and it's really difficult and you don't have room to breathe.
It gets really claustrophobic for a quarterback when that's happening.

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And you could get him to throw interceptions, You could
get him to throw poor throws because he's reaching and
changing his arm angle throwing out of a deep pocket. Yeah,
a couple of things about Mahomes. Now. Clark Hunt, the
owner of the team, is conceding the fact that Mahomes
is still not a dent. But obviously he's gonna be
better off than he was two weeks ago in the

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NFC Championship game. It again, this is normally a high
ankle sprain, like a six week injury, So he's as
close to, you know, ready to go as possible. The
thing about Mahomes because I remember when Vince Young first
came into the NFL and he had a great rookie season.
People forget that. I mean, Vince Young was not a
complete bust in the NFL, but he liked to go

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to his right, and so he could, you know, get
out of the pocket and really be effected going to
his right. Eventually, defense is realized he couldn't go to
his left. I mean he was completely different quarterback. That
is not the case of Mahomes. I mean, he can
go right, he can go left. The the ability to
throw across his body is almost unmatched. I mean always

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could do this to some degree, but I don't think
he had the quite the mobility of a guy like
Patrick Mahomes. So you're right. I mean, this is one
of those ideas where where do you want to go?
Do you do you want to contain him? Do you
want to flush him out of the pocket. The bottom
line is, look what Tampa did two years ago. Now,
granted the Chiefs were without their starting offensive tackles. I

(29:00):
remember you and I were talking to our buddy Nick
Hardwick about that matchup and he said, well, you know,
for most teams, if you lose offensive lineman, it would
be a problem. But when you have Mahomes, that's not
a problem. Well, immediately we found out it was a problem.
He was under siege that entire game. And when we've
seen Mahomes struggle and a few times he has struggled

(29:23):
over the course of his career, it's because he's getting
a lot of pressure. So I would imagine the Eagles
with this tremendous defensive front, They're gonna try a lot
of different things. In other words, you can't you talk
about bull rushing, or you talk about guys coming from
the outside, whatever it may be. I'm gonna guess the
Eagles are just gonna have a multitude of looks. Like

(29:43):
you know, sometimes they're gonna come at him, or we
force him to stay in the pockets step up. Other
times flush them out. But that's when Mahomes does struggle,
and especially if they fall behind early in the game,
Mahomes gets a little anxious here and he starts making
pass past he should make the Here's the secret, and
this is true with every great quarterback. If you're able

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to generate a pass rush without adding rushers, meaning you
don't have to blitz linebackers, you don't have to blitz safeties,
you don't have to add exotic blitz packages where you're
gonna have, you're gonna leave yourself vulnerable somewhere. It doesn't
matter if your zone blitzing or you're putting your coverage
in man and you're adding rushers that way, You're putting

(30:27):
yourself in a vulnerable situation somewhere, and the best quarterbacks
know exactly where to hurt you when you do that.
So yeah, you may be bringing two extra rushers, but
he knows that now you have Travis Kelsey and man
coverage against the safety, and that's a battle that he's
gonna win eight times out of ten. So I'm gonna
throw the ball to seven. You know, sometimes when you
blitz and you you leave guys in zone, that means

(30:48):
there's gonna be extra space in the zones because you
don't have as many players dropping back into coverage. And
so that means with smart receivers, which they have plenty of,
and Patrick Momes at quarterback, they're gonna have a receiver
somewhere get open, sit down in one of the large
gaping holes in the coverage and get a catch and
get some yardage for you. So it's very difficult to

(31:10):
blitz great quarterbacks, especially when they've been working with a
couple or many of their wide receivers and running backs
over the years. The best way to do it, though,
is to get a pass rush with four and that's
the reason why the Eagles have been so devastating this
season is because they can do that. So while we
could talk about all the different things that Spags likes
to do defensively for the Chiefs, you know, or or

(31:33):
likewise for from an Eagle standpoint, the goal is always
if we can get pressure with three or four rushers
and we can put eight or seven players in coverage
on every single play, You're gonna win a lot of
games that way. You're gonna win a lot of games
that way. So if the Eagles can find a way
to get to Mahomes, make them uncomfortable, make him rush decisions,

(31:55):
and only rush three and four rushers, this is gonna
be a very very long, hard fought battle for the
Kansas City Chiefs offense. Five years ago, the Eagles won
the Super Bowl. Two years ago, they were a complete mess.
How did they get back to the big game, so
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live from the ti iraq dot Com studios. Yes, we're
getting ready for Super Bowl fifties seven, the Eagles and
the Chiefs. The fact that the Chiefs are there certainly
no surprise. When you've hosted five consecutive conference championship games,
you are the team to beat in your conference. However,

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the Philadelphia Eagles who won the Super Bowl five years ago.
Two years ago, rich they had absolutely fallen off the cliff.
Doug Peterson was out, remember that whole mess with Carson
wins Uh. They had drafted Jalen Hurts, but you know,
at the end of the year they sort of threw
Hurts in there. It just seemed like a desperation move.

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But they were as bad as any team in the
league by the end of the season. And then they
hired Nick Sirianni, who became a laughing stock after his
opening press conference. No one was interviewing Nick Sirianni for
a job. It just seemed like the Eagles were going
absolutely nowhere. And here we are two years later and
they're back in the Super Bowl and they have the

(34:03):
most complete roster in the NFL. And and he said,
how's this possible? Right, Well, when you think about it,
Howry Roseman, what he's been able to do? This guy
Eagle fans wanted to fire his ask two years ago.
Now all of a sudden, he might be a Super
Bowl went away from a spot in the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Um, but think about the moves they make.
A lot has been made obviously of A. J. Brown.

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What a great signing that was. Not only bringing in
that caliber receiver, it just makes Davante Smith that much better.
But the Hassan Reddick signing, Um, remember he went to
Carolina for a year after leaving the Cardinals Eagles game
a three or forty five million dollar deal. And this
guy has just been lights out, especially in the postseason.

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But in order to get back to where they are
now after such a deep fall just two years ago,
you gotta make all the right moves, like every move
you egg has to work out. And that's exactly what's
happened in the Eagles. I mean, give rosemand credit whatever
genius he has, it's been in full force because they

(35:09):
have not missed on any moves they made over the
last couple of years. Well, and if you look at
that Carson Wentz trade, so, like you said, they started
scraping bottom with Carson Wentz and Doug Peterson. But when
they traded Carson to the Colts, they got a conditional
first rounder from the Colts along with the third round
draft pick. Roseman actually used that third round pick from

(35:32):
the Colts to help the Eagles move up in the
draft to select a number one wide receiver for Jalen Hurts.
And that number one wide receiver was Davante Smith, who
he knew from college. Yeah, yeah, so they got to
play together in college. He comes in. There's instant comfort
for UH, for Jalen Hurts. There, and then the Eagles
traded two first round pick UH number eighteen and to

(35:55):
third round pick UH to acquire A J. Brown from
the Tennessee Heightens and that gave Philadelphia number one rider
wide receiver also for Jellen Hurts. Because Davante Smith is
a number one on I would argue twenty five teams
around the NFL, but a J. Brown walks in and
now you have two number ones, you know. So like this,

(36:17):
this offensive weaponry that Jellen Hurts has been surrounded by
is really a circumstance of Howie Roseman taking some of
the worst um some of the worst moves and turning
him into them into real positives. Now we don't know
what all goes into this. I mean, obviously Frank Reich,
Doug Peterson, Uh, they were in the room too, and

(36:40):
I'm sure they had some decision making control. Clearly Reich
liked Carson Wentz enough to convince the Colts to trade
a conditional first rounder form and he got a lot
out of him, admittedly in Indianapolis. But Howie Rosamond got
good value for Carson Wentz. You know, especially when you
look at what quarterbacks are traded for nowadays. If you

(37:01):
are a starting quarterback with a big contract, like a
Derek Carr for example, you're not going for a conditional
first round draft pick. A lot of people are real
shaky around that. Um. So it's it's interesting, man, Howry
Rosamond is probably an underrated general manager for how he's
been able to get the Eagles back into the super Bowl.

(37:22):
It's it's really one of the smaller stories of all this,
but it should be a much bigger one. Absolutely. And
again when you are a an executive contributor so to speak. Uh,
and you look at those resumes of those that and
up in the Hall of Fame, what are they looking for?
Super bowls? You winning super bowls? You're finding this out,
by the way. You can't imagine how frustrating this has

(37:45):
to be for Jerry Jones, right, I mean, so Jerry
Jones is sitting there and he takes a shot at
the Eagles, say, well, they were all in for like
one season. You know, we're building to the future, and
like building for the future. I mean for the last
thirty years, seven straight years without reaching the conference championship game.
Is that how you're building in the future. It just

(38:05):
seems unbelievable. He's got to be beside himself, like, let
me ask you this right now, who would you rather
have as a quarterback? Jalen Hurts her Dak Prescott right now?
Jalen Hurts the way that he's playing. I mean, here,
here's the biggest reason why, is because he's more careful
with the football. Like there's there's a certain level of
trust that I have in Jalen Hurts right now that

(38:26):
I don't have in Dak Prescott. He's just too careless
with the football and the games that he started this year.
I mean, yeah, he put up some gaudy numbers, but
one of the numbers that really sticks out like a
sore thumb, and this was a good season for Dak,
was how many interceptions he threw. And you just can't
do that in this league anymore. You can't get away

(38:46):
with it. The gone are the days where you could
have a gun slinger like Brett Farve, who can throw
a ton of interceptions and just play great defense and
you know, make explosive plays like the Green Bay Packers
were able to with that passing offense. Because rest of
the league is caught up. Every single one of these
thirty two teams can score points, and they can score
them in bunches and fast, and so if you turn

(39:07):
the football over, it is a crucial statistic because a
lot of offenses Kennon will be able to turn the
ball around and put three or seven points on you.
So that's a problem that they need to fix with
DAK this offseason. Well it is and it just the
idea that somehow this Eagles team is a one hit wonder.

(39:28):
It doesn't make any sense. I mean, this team is
now build for several years, I had and I know that,
you know, I picked the Eagles to win the NFC
East before the season began. I didn't have them in
the Super Bowl, but that was based on the fact
we haven't had a repeat winner in the NFC East
since the Eagles rattle aout for straight division tattles from
OH one to oh four. The idea of the Eagles,
you know, winning a Super Bowl or even losing today

(39:50):
and not dominating the East next year. Uh, that is
a pipe dream if you're a Cowboys fan. Alright, coming up,
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I think I said I I heard a stat on
how much money was going to be spent on beer
for this game. How much money around the country is
going to be spent just on beer? And the number
I heard was one point three billion dollars. Does that

(41:17):
seem possible that that much beer is going to be
consumed today? Ryan? How about you? Any beer on your
agenda today for the Super will be honest, Steve, I
got a little bit on my agenda. Okay, So you're
contributing to the one point three billion dollars spent on
beer today for the Super Bowl game A tiny bit,

(41:41):
maybe maybe a one point one billion coming from me.
I wonder how much Rich is going to spend? So
rich again, they estimate that one point three billion dollars
will be spent just on beer today for the Super Bowl. Um,
I know, I'm already about fifty dollars in Um. Yeah,

(42:04):
because you know, whenever you go to a Super Bowl party,
you don't show up empty handed, because whether or not
the beer that you bring gets actually drank that day,
the host of the party they're going to absolutely you know,
they're they're they're gonna be wiped out, They're gonna they're
gonna lose whatever they had in supply, and so you
just try to help replenish that. So I'm probably even

(42:25):
gonna go out and make another run after our show today.
Um yeah, I listen one point six billion dollars three
or one point three. It feels low. That feels it
does feel yeah, it does feel low. Um. By the way,
if you are looking to hire a head coach in
the NFL, call Rich because anybody that he worked with

(42:52):
apparently is a head coach. Um. So, Mike McCoy is
barely a footnote in the history of the NFL as
a head coach, but he now has three assistants that
are head coaches. Uh, Frank Reich, Nick Sirianni and now
Shane Steiken apparently is going to be the new coach

(43:12):
of the Indianapolis Colts. Riches. Is unbelievable. These are your guys.
I mean, you are a star maker and you didn't
even know it. But they were all together at one
point together on that Charger coaching staff under Mike McCoy
and also with you on that offensive line. So what
is it about the magic? Because if I had known

(43:33):
they had that kind of star power on the coaching
staff of the Chargers at the time, I'm trying to
figure out why didn't they win more games? Well, there's
a lot of reasons why. UM. With Mike McCoy specifically,
I would say that the injuries that the team's face
during his time as a head coach, and how unlucky
it was during those years, UM factored a lot more

(43:57):
than people wanted to give credit. Why I wouldn't staying lucky,
I would say very chargery. Well yeah, well, and also
it definitely matches the theme like the Chargers, for whatever reason,
and this is both when they were in San Diego
and moved to Los Angeles for whatever reason, really really
struggle with injuries, being devastated by injuries at critical positions,

(44:19):
especially when they're when they have good teams on paper.
But I digress to talk about Shane Steiken, who was
on that coaching staff. Uh wash was another young guy
who was an offensive assistant who was tasked to just
sort of keep the wheels on and help you know,
you know, coach position groups or or ready the scout

(44:40):
team defense or offense for the day by you know,
getting getting plays that you were going to see from
the opponent up. You know, those sort of things. These
coaches they go from virtually gophers, you know, guys who
are picking up draft picks or potential draft picks from
the airport and bring them over to the facility, to
being members of the coach staff, to being relied on

(45:01):
coming up with game plans, to being you know, one day,
head coaches in the NFL are at the college ranks.
And that's the case for Frank Reich, who was a
quarterbacks coach in Arizona when I was with the Cardinals,
and then he became an offensive coordinator on the staff
with Mike McCoy in San Diego when McCoy was the
head coach of the Chargers, and very similarly to Nick Sirianni,

(45:23):
who was an offensive quality control coach before I think
coaching the tight ends. Maybe they gave him that responsibility
before I had left the Chargers. I mean, all these
guys earned it, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
Even though they're young men and they are you know,
they're they're among the younger coaches in the league. They've
they've worked from the very bottom of the totem pole

(45:45):
to the tippy top. And so yeah, the Colts, Uh,
I guess the big story here is they e Lock
did not to go with with Jeff Saturday I mean
a sanity rules there. I want to get back to
second for a second. Though he's the already seven years old,
seems like he's been around quite a while, only because
we know about his roots with the Chargers organization. But

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Sirianni was a raw rock guy like, he was one
of those really enthusiastic type of guys that's carried over
obviously to being a head coach in the NFL. What
kind of personality are the Colts getting as a new
head coach. Well, he's a real like cerebral coach. He's
somebody who understands exactly what the defense is trying to do,

(46:28):
understands exactly what we should be doing offensively, and he
knows every position on the field offensively. I remember when
he when he even spoke to the offensive line. If
he didn't know something, he would ask you, and it
was that sort of unabashed curiosity to learn every single
aspect of of the game. That's important for every young coach.

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You know, it doesn't matter who you're talking to. You
want to try to have a full understanding of what
every player is seeing at every level, whether it's at
the offensive line level or on the outside. With the
receivers or you know, in an intermediary intermediary standpoint with
the tight ends or slot receivers, or in the backfield
with the running backs, in the quarterback you have to

(47:09):
have an idea of what everybody is experiencing on every
single plan. He wasn't shy to walk up to you
and ask you what you saw, and um we overlapped
for a short time. But he was a good communicator.
He was a guy who could easily connect two players
and understood, you know, how to talk with players. That
is one of the most important things that you see

(47:30):
with a Sean McVeigh, that you see with a Kyle shanahan,
that you see with the Matt lafleur, that you see
with the Shane stike In and Nick sirianni uh a
Frank Reich even who's one of the older coaches amid
amid the group that I just mentioned, but one of
the newer coaches to the head coaching ranks, Like these
guys are great communicators and you have to be. You

(47:51):
have to be able to connect with a locker room
uh in order to win. And I think all of
these guys have that quality. Yeah, I mean if Shane
steike In and of course eventually became the coordinator of
the Chargers. And then when Nick Sirianni got his Eagles job,
he reached out to his buddy to become his offensive coordinator.
But I mean, the Colts are one of those teams
that could have a major rebound if they can get

(48:12):
something settled at quarterback. I mean, I don't know if
they're going to pursue a veteran quarterback. Are they gonna
look to the draft to figure out what they're gonna
do with their next quarterback. But they got a lot
of pieces there. I mean a couple of years ago,
I mean we were the Colts were in the conversation
to get to the Super Bowl, and we talked about
the strength of their offensive line. He had one of

(48:34):
the premier backs in the league, and they had a
plenty of weapons out there. So it will be interesting
to see if Shane Stiken can get things turned around
in Indianapolis. Now, there's another coaching story rather interesting today.
Um So, when Sean Payton was a free agent and
making it clear that he was interested in a head
coaching job, we heard that he already had a commitment

(48:55):
from Vic Fangio to be his defensive coordinator. Well, as
it turned out, Fangio at an unbelievable offer by the Dolphins,
and he will of course be in Miami after working
for a couple of weeks as a consultant with the
Eagles getting ready for the Super Bowl game, but now
in search of a defensive coordinator. Apparently Sean Payton interviewed

(49:15):
Rex Ryan for the job. Now. Rex, of course has
been on ESPN for several years. He hasn't coached since
twenty six But if he's interviewing for a job, that
means he's interested in a job. I'm always curious, you know,
when we talk about head coaches. You know Dick from
Meo maybe the most famous case of guys out for
fifteen years as a head coach, comes back and ends

(49:38):
up winning a Super Bowl with the Rams, but as
a defensive coordinator. And that's of course Rex's background before
he became a head coach. If you're gone that long
from the game, you know, starting comfortably as he has
with ESPN all these years as an analyst, is he
in for route awakening trying to get back to speed

(49:58):
on where the game is writing al as opposed to
six years ago. Well, it's possible, It absolutely is possible,
because yeah, if you're not keeping up with the players
and the personnel and the and the uh, the the
intricacies of these offenses. Yeah, I mean this, this, this

(50:18):
could this could lead to problems. I mean okay, And
I don't know how much credence there is to this story,
but I'll remind you he did interview. Well, no, no, no,
I'm talking about I'm I'm going to a different story. Yeah,
and I'll tie it back to Rex Ryan because it's
it's a story about a broadcaster who became a head
coach in the NFL. And this is what I'm talking

(50:39):
about with Rex Ryan. There was a story that came
out when it was all falling down in Jacksonville a
season ago where urban Meyer apparently allegedly was walking around
the field and got one of his assistant coaches close
enough to him and kind of gestured over to number

(51:00):
nine on the Rams defense and said, who's that guy? Yeah,
like that that was in the Athletic article. I'm not
I'm not saying anything that's completely out of line here.
I mean this was something that was sourced. Again, I
don't know if there's credence to this. I don't know
if this is an actual thing that happened or if
somebody had an ax to grind against urban Meyer and

(51:20):
wanted to completely embarrass him. But apparently he had no
idea who who Aaron Donald was, or at very least
that was the indication that this assistant coach got from
him allegedly. Now you think about that, that would be
an insane oversight. If anybody doesn't know personnel to that level,
that's ridiculous. But look, Rex Ryan is a commentator, he's

(51:42):
an analyst. He's not breaking down film every single night
the way he would if he was a head coach
or a defensive coordinator in the league. So are there
certain personnel pieces on defenses that he's become unfamiliar with
over the past handful of years. Yeah, of course, and
that have an effect on decision making in game? Yeah?
Absolutely could. Now is he a quick study? Um? Is

(52:06):
he somebody who could get caught up in a hurry?
Is he somebody who could you know? Is his defense
applicable to the personnel that the Denver Broncos have or
whatever staff he joins in the NFL? Should he be
interested in coming back in a coordinating role. Yeah, maybe
it is. You know, we won't know until we know.
But but if you're asking me flat out, is there
any chance that the game has passed him by? There's

(52:28):
always a chance that the game has passed by an
old coach who's trying to come back and make a comeback.
All right, there's another team still looking for a coach.
That would be the Arizona Cardinals, and there's a new
name on the board that could be their guy. Will
bring in the latest. This is Fox Football Sunday. Steve
Harban and rach Herburger, Welcome back. This is Fox Football

(52:50):
Sunday and we are live from the ti iraq dot
com studios. We are now four hours and nine minutes
away from the kickoff of Super Bowl fifty seven between
the Eagles and the Chiefs. Talking about some of the
other NFL stories going on. So it looks like Shane
Steiken is going to be the next head coach of

(53:10):
the Indianapolis Colts. That leaves one team without a coach.
That would be the Arizona Cardinals, who of course fired
Cliff Kingsbury, who was specifically brought in to mentor a
young quarterback and now all of a sudden, I'm looking
at the candidates for this Cardinals job, and it looks

(53:33):
like they're going defense. And the latest name is Eagles
defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon, who did interview, by the way,
for the Texans job before they hired to mak O Ryan's.
But it does surprise you, Kyler Murray that they're they're
looking to have a defensive guy, because apparently they've also interviewed,

(53:57):
let's see some of the other people they've been talking about.
The Bengals defensive coordinator is another one now, Mike Kafka,
offensive coordinator for the Giants. Uh, apparently he's in the
running for the job. But is that the right move
for the Cardinals, especially with Murray coming off the kind
of bad season that he and the team had. It's

(54:18):
all they can do. It's all they can do, because
if you really think about it, Um, there have been
a couple of reports out there that have said there
are coaches who don't want to work with Kyler Murray.
You know, it was reported that Sean peyton Um was

(54:39):
not interested. Now I don't I don't know if he's
refuted that claim or if that sort of just sort
of got washed over by the news cycle here as
we get ready for Super Bowl fifty seven. But that
was something that was reported, was that, you know, he
wasn't all that interested in that job because of Kyler Murray.
Cliff Kingsbury, for crying out loud. He he left the

(54:59):
job head coach of the Arizona Cardinals, or was fired,
i should say, and ran off to Thailand and stopped
answering his phone. Now I'm not saying Cliff Kingsbury's never
gonna coach again. I'm not saying that he hates football
because of working with Kyler Murray. I'm not gonna blame
any of that on Kyla Murray directly, but it is odd.
That's pretty odd behavior. You know, typically, typically coaches, especially

(55:23):
ones who are coming off of a year where they
were you know, obviously they were a head coach, they
look for a job immediately, maybe maybe maybe a one
year break. Frank Reich went from being a head coach
right back into being a head coach. I mean, this
happens often. You know that coaches are looking for their
next job as soon as their last one ends, you know,
So it's interesting, man Um. I think the reason why

(55:47):
they're only interested in defensive candidates. Is probably because none
of the offensive candidates or maybe none of the offensive
candidates wanted the job. Because you if you, if you
think of it this way, what is what is similar
about Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Andy reid Um. They all

(56:08):
worked with Hall of Fame quarterback Sean Payton. You know,
the best head coaches ever to coach the game of
football typically have worked with an elite quarterback. You know.
So if you are looking to be a head coach
in this league and you're an offensive coach and you
want to hit your trailer to a you know, to
a certain to a to a certain team, it better

(56:31):
be a team that's either a is going to give
you an opportunity to draft the quarterback you want and
hopefully it's a good quarterback draft. That's not the case
with the Arizona Cardinals, though, because they just signed a
huge contract with Kyler Murray and whoever in their next
head coaches has to find a way to work with
Kyler Murray. And Kyler Murray right now from the standpoint
of studying his playbook and an interest level for other

(56:53):
coaches working with him isn't extremely high. Right now, so we'll, uh,
we'll find out what happens with Arizona. It doesn't shock
me in the least bit that they're interviewing defensive minded
head coaches, because defensive minded head coaches may think to
themselves like, hey, I could fix that defense and I
could get Kyler to play just good enough for us
to be all right. Well, depending on who they hire,

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a prime candidate to be the offensive coordinator and worked
erectly with Kyler. Murray is a very familiar name. In fact,
when you think about the constants for the Chiefs in
this five year run in which they've been in the
a f C Championship game all five years again winning
three the other two were overtime losses. You got and

(57:35):
you Reid, you got Patrick Mahomes, and you have Eric b. Enemy,
who's been the offensive coordinator for all five years that
Mahomes has been the starting quarterback for the Chiefs. Once again,
he gets passed over. He apparently was in the running
for the Colts job. They go with Shane steike In instead.
But there's been rumors that the Enemy may not stay
in Kansas City, that he could go to the Ravens,

(57:57):
or he could go to the Commanders, and an other
team would be the Cardinals. So you know, when you
look at the other Andy Reid assistance have gotten head
coaching jobs and the enemy has been passed over time
and time again. If you're Eric B Enemy, do you
just ride the wave as long as you can with
the Chiefs? Do you test yourself to see maybe? And

(58:21):
by the way, if he were to go to another
team and it pays dividends, does that make him a
better candidate to be a head coach in the NFL?
If you're Eric B. Enemy and you're just sort of
stuck in this rut. Although it's hard to be in
a rut when you're, you know, in the Super Bowl
every other year. Um, are you looking to maybe enhance

(58:43):
your resume by being success or elsewhere to get that
opportunity to be a head coach in the NFL. So
you're saying, if he makes a lateral move, like he
gets out from underneath Andy Reid, goes and becomes a
coordinator with someone else and has success like it, goes
to the Ravens, he goes to the Commanders or the Cardinals,
and suddenly, let's say say he goes to the Cardinals,

(59:05):
and and Kyler Murray has a huge season, it would
seem to me then he would be taken. I don't know.
More seriously, as a head coaching candidate, I don't I
have no idea what's going on with these interviews where
he can't seem to land his job. But I mean
that's a risk. Maybe not, maybe not, because look, the
reality is, when you're hiring a head coach, a lot

(59:28):
of people automatically, they automatically steer their attention to the
things that football is about. But a head coach isn't
just a football coach. A head coach is also the
brand of your organization. The head coach is going to
be the person who is speaking with the media and
your fan base. As a result, for the majority of

(59:50):
the year, your head coaches, outside of your starting quarterback,
is the face of your franchise. You know, in many cases,
the head coach is the face of your franchise because
maybe you don't have a quarterback, um who who really sells?
You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I remember
with the New York Jets, Mark Sanchez was obviously, I

(01:00:12):
mean has become a tremendous broadcaster and uh and was
a tremendous college football player, and he was a winner
in the postseason with the Jets. But you wouldn't you
wouldn't credit the Jets success on Mark Sanchez the way
you would say at Patrick Mahomes. Rex Ryan became the
star of that of that franchise. He became the face

(01:00:35):
of that franchise. You know. So there are there are
certain coaches, or I should say, there are certain candidates
who you hire and immediately from the standpoint of the
the political position that they're going to possess, they make sense.
Like Adamiko Ryan's. If you heard the way he spoke
after being hired by the Houston Texans, You're like, oh,
my goodness, that guy's almost presidential the way he's handled himself.

(01:00:59):
He said it was a dream job. He may regret
those words, but that's possible. Um. You look at Sean
Payton though, on the recent hiring carousel, the way that
he comported himself. I mean, this is a guy who's
obviously a veteran of many years and understands exactly how
political of a position he's gonna hold now in Denver.
But but that's a guy who exudes that that level.

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Mike Tomlin is another example. For years and years and years.
He knows how to handle the press, he knows how
to deal with all these things. I mean, maybe Eric B. Enemy,
you know, maybe he doesn't have what Andy Reid has,
which is likability, which is an ability to sell himself.
You know, So when you get into those meetings with

(01:01:42):
owners who don't necessarily speak football their business owners, there
are people who just want to win and make a
ton of money. And maybe when he gets in front
of those people, they look at Eric B. Enemy and
they say, yeah, I just don't see him as the
face of our franchise. We just don't. We just don't
see him in that light. So to your point, maybe
it could help him having further success with a different team,

(01:02:05):
not just with Andy Reid. Get out from the nest
and see if he can fly on his own a
little bit as an o C. And who knows, you know,
depending on the circumstances, coaches get fired, you know, you
can get brought on as an interim for part of
the season, and then that can springboard the rest of
your career. That certainly isn't going to happen in Kansas
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(01:02:47):
But first let's find out what it is trending right now.
Uh and Rich Monsey has been working on TikTok. So yes, Rich,
you're not gonna be in this video because you're not here. Okay, okay,
do you want to send me a video of yourself?
I do? Actually, I do. How many people have you
interviewed for this TikTok forever you're doing? I got yeah,

(01:03:09):
I've been doing this all week. I've been grabbing people
here at the studio, putting my phone in their face
and asking them questions. And she asked me a lot
of questions about Rihanna, and I gave a very very
succinct answer, Oh yeah, oh no, what's going in there? All?
It's going in there? It's so good, you know what?
Also is pretty good is that it's become kind of

(01:03:30):
a tradition. But Baltimore Ravens defensive end Calais Campbell announced
today that he is going to return for his sixteen
NFL season. He's been doing this the last couple of years,
every Super Bowl. His quote during his final segment as
an NFL Network analyst today was I'm coming back, baby.
So he'll be back his sixteen NFL season. Pretty awesome.

(01:03:53):
NFL media reports at the Arizona Cardinals are expected to
interview Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon tomorrow for their head
coaching job. That the Houston Texans are hiring forty Niners
passing game coordinator Bobby Slowick as their new offensive coordinator.
More NBA news. And I hate to say this, because man,
he just can't stay healthy. Pelicans All Stars Zion Williamson.

(01:04:13):
He's been sidelined since January two with a handstring injury.
He re agreed, he reaggravated that injury. He's expected to
miss additional weeks after the All Star break. So again, injuries,
Why well, why is he He's a big guy. I
mean we said this when he came into the league
with all the immense tality has that body he has. Yeah,

(01:04:35):
it's not going to hold up. It's just not holding
It's so unfortunate that he can't stay healthy. We do
have one game in the NBA going on right now.
The Grizzlies have an early lead against the Celtics. Seventeen
is the score with two minutes left in the first quarter.
Back to you guys, that working putting that all together
for us out there. Uh So, during this week, obviously

(01:04:59):
with the retirement of Tom Brady, and by the way,
a lot of people were like, oh, well he filed
the retirement papers. That means nothing that it doesn't mean
he he can't unretire. Okay, let's just make that clear.
But you know, let's just assume for a second the
Brady has done and he's got the ten Super Bowl appearances,
by the way, fourteen appearances in conference championship games, and

(01:05:22):
of course seven Super Bowl wins. Mahomes was asked, you know,
about whether or not he could get to that level,
and I thought I thought Mahomes was right on the
money when he said, I'm just trying to get the
second Okay, you know, before we can start talking about
seven Super Bowls. I'm just trying to talk about getting
to a second Super Bowl, So I want to I

(01:05:44):
want to turn to Brady for a second here. Uh
we obviously last week, Rich, we're talking about his retirement
that was announced. This this this story about him signing
his retirement papers was just another way for Tom Brady
to sort of keep his name in the news during
Super Bowl Week. Here's what was much bigger news to
me about his future, and that is he said he

(01:06:06):
will begin his ten year, three million dollar contract run
with Fox not in three correct, but in twenty four,
which of course would leave him open to any possibilities
out there, whether it's San Francisco or Miami. I mean,
there's just so many attractive teams out there, Rich, where

(01:06:27):
you feel like I can plug Tom Brady in and
we become an instant Super Bowl contender. Yeah. And let
me make another thing, like unbelievably clear. I I think
that everything we've heard from Tom Brady is authentic. I'm
not saying that he doesn't mean it. Um. I really

(01:06:50):
truly believe he thinks he's retired right now. But that
doesn't mean that John Lynch with the San Francisco forty Niners,
or Dave's Eagler with the Las Vegas Raiders, or Bill
Belichick with the New England Patriots, or any of these
teams who are potentially looking or interested in a quarterback

(01:07:11):
to carry them for just one season, in one season
only as like a kind of last ride. It's not
like all of them forgot Tom Brady's number or his
agents number. I mean, like we can all pretend like
this story is over, but this story is far from
over because the reality of the circumstances. You know, we

(01:07:33):
we've all been in conversations with people who sound extremely
certain about their job path, or about their plans for
the weekend, or you know, I mean, it could be
something trivial, trivial, it could be something important and all
of a sudden they change their mind that very much.
So could be the case with a guy who's done
this already. If there's a track record we have proof

(01:07:57):
of is the fact that when Tom Brady retired, he unretires.
He's only done it once. But my point being that,
how can you trust that this retirement is the last
time around, given the fact that he's done this literally
last offseason less than a year ago. He did this
and he stayed retired for forty days. You know what

(01:08:18):
creates urgency is deadlines. There is no deadline right now
for for Tom Brady to truly make a decision on
his future. There's no deadline because the draft isn't for
another couple of months. Okay, it's early February. No team
needs to make a decision at quarterback today. Now, in
the coming weeks, I'm sure we're going to see news,

(01:08:40):
you know, potentially Derek Carr gets traded. Um, Aaron Rodgers
may or may not be with the Green Bay Packers.
I think some of the dance cards are gonna get
full with some of these NFL teams where they're going
to say, hey, look, we're not gonna wait around for,
you know, a quarterback in his mid forties, even if
he is one of the greatest or the greatest to
ever play the game football, to make up his mind

(01:09:01):
whether or not he wants to say retired. Um, we're
gonna move on with our decision. Yes, certain teams will
get there, but they're still going to be a lot
of open seats and you're not going to need to
necessarily make a move on Tom Brady until the draft.
So that's the reality of the situation. Well, he mentioned
Aaron Rodgers. Now Aaron Rodgers, uh doing the Aaron Rodgers thing.

(01:09:24):
Apparently he's sitting in a dark room right now. Is
that what we've been told? Going to enter a darkness
therapy isolation room, right. So he likes to do this to,
you know, sort things out in his head of exactly
what he wants to do next. But I can't help
us say, because we were saying that it would be
very unrut Aaron Rodgers like to retire simultaneously with Tom Brady,

(01:09:50):
setting up a situation at the Pro Football Hall of
Fame induction ceremonies where he's planned b I mean, Tom
Brady will be the star of his Hall of Fame
class and Aaron Rodgers would not be if he's in
the same class. So and I believe this manners to
Aaron Rodgers because he likes to talk about how many
how many MVP awards he's won. So I think Aaron

(01:10:12):
Rodgers is one of those guys that has to wait
a little bit here to see whether or not Tom
Brady is going to actually make a move to get
back in this league. I think we're gonna find out
plenty by March first, Yeah, by by by by March first.
I think all of this will sort itself out out there.

(01:10:33):
But I mean, I'm ken the forts. It's just sitting there.
I mean, they've got an untested quarterback trail Lands that
they don't know about. Brock Purdy, even though they like
what they see, may not even be ready for the
start of next season. They've already said Jimmy Garoppolo's out.

(01:10:53):
Tom Brady. It's it's there in Bay Area, where his
roots are absolute, ready made team, all the weapons he
could possibly dream about on a team, a coaching staff
that has stability. I just I can't believe that if
John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan make that call to Tom

(01:11:17):
Brady that he doesn't say, I will not I will
be there in a matter of minutes. Yeah. I can't
see a scenario where he would turn that down. I
can't and this whole idea that he won't start until
at Fox. Yeah, I listen. I I I have a
hard time again believing that this retirement's official until it's

(01:11:39):
officially official. When when he retired last year, I had
some insight into what was happening in Tampa Bay, and
I shared it with everybody, um in terms of there
was some discord amongst him and the offensive voices in
the room Byron Leftwich and Bruce Arians. There was no
question that he had a different a different thought process

(01:12:03):
and what it meant to commit to a season than
maybe some of the other voices in the room. And that,
I mean, look, that is the truth as I heard
it from multiple parties. Okay, I I I, I don't know.
Here's one thing I do know, I I I feel
like last year's retirement impacted me more from the standpoint

(01:12:25):
of that seemed like a guy who was really exhausted
with the current situation he was faced with. It seemed
that way, and it felt like the reason why he
retired was more out of frustration, and it felt like
it was more out of like football reasons than it
was this year. This year, it just sort of feels
like he might be emotionally drained. I mean, think about

(01:12:49):
some of the things that transpired over the course of
this of this year. I mean, he came back out
of retirement and then immediately had to take time during
training camp because there were clearly issues between he and
Gisele or this FTX thing, or maybe a combination of
those two things, and the crypto thing crashed and he's
got lawsuits pending against him. There his wife divorced him.

(01:13:13):
They split amicably, however you want to say it. I
mean a lot happened over the course of this year
and then, oh, by the way, they limped into the
postseason as a division winner, got absolutely stomped by the
Dallas Cowboys, embarrassed in their own home. It kind of
feels like this time around, he's exhausted, and so what
do is exhausted people do? They circle the wagons. They

(01:13:34):
spend time with their family, and maybe, like you said,
because he's punting on, you know, spending time as a
broadcaster until just maybe he's going to feel rejuvenated after
some rest and he's gonna come back. And it could
be a situation like going to the San Francisco forty
Niners and going on a retirement world tour where he's

(01:13:56):
playing his final games across the NFL, and the schedule
makers make it make it fit that the Forts are
gonna face the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the New England
Patriots coming up. In this way, he can he can
visit those two teams, or they could visit him one
final time. All right, Speaking of quarterbacks, most people agree
that in this matchup and Super Bowl fifty seven, advantage Chiefs.

(01:14:19):
Hard to argue with the league's MVP as your quarterback.
But just how far behind is Jalen Hurts. We'll look
at that matchup as we continue on. This is Fox
Football Sunday, Steve Harman and Rich John Burger. This is
Fox Football Sunday, and we are here in the tire
rack dot Com studios. So as the Chiefs and Eagles

(01:14:41):
get ready and they've been when watching Fox and their coverage.
Heres show the Chiefs getting on the buses from their
hotel and Scottsdale heading over to the stadium. I was
in Phoenix, Rich all week and uh drove by the
stadium and of course was hanging out on Radio Row
on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. I've covered Super Bowls there before. Um. Yeah,

(01:15:05):
I mean it's such a big event. Um. In some ways,
the coverage of it has changed a little bit over
the years. It used to be sort of a must
be destination for every sports talk station in the country.
It doesn't seem to be that way. Anymore. A lot
of podcasters though, Um, yeah, I mean podcasting is is everywhere,

(01:15:27):
and so you know, it used to be I would
get to radio row and I'd see a lot of
familiar faces, a lot of familiar stations. It's changed over
the years, but there's there's no doubt the whole country, everybody,
and and and by the way they're predicting, this could
be the largest television audience ever for anything, uh, in
this matchup, because it is such a great matchup. Um,

(01:15:49):
but when we talk about these quarterbacks, look at Mahomes
is the guy. I mean, he's had five years as
a starting quarterback in this league. He's dominated. Uh. You know,
I was wrong. I thought maybe the loss of Tyreeko
would have some adverse effect. Wrong. Uh, he's the league's
m v P. But I wonder how far behind Jalen
Hurts is if he can't the the playoff games. His

(01:16:10):
record this year's sixteen and one, Yeah, sixteen and one.
Had he not had that late season injury, who knows,
maybe he would have been the league's m v P.
And I think the argument I heard Jeff Schwartz, you know,
and and I say this as a friend, he's a
shameless homer for the Chiefs. I mean, just just Jeff.
I mean he loves the Chiefs, and I get it right.

(01:16:32):
But his argument is, you know, five minutes ago, game
on the line, who would you rather have a quarterback?
Mahomes and Hurts? And yeah, I can sde Mahomes, but
I think about all the adversity the jail and Hurts
has gone through in his football career, from his demotion
at the University of Alabama and two a ton of
Voloa beat him out for the job, literally have to

(01:16:54):
even to sit as a backup for entire at Alabama.
Never complain, not even a hint of a complaint there.
He transfers to Oklahoma New school news system, is runner
up for the Heisman Trophy. A lot of doubts about
whether or not he had the it factor to be
a successful quarterback uh in the NFL. I just do

(01:17:17):
not believe, even though this is his first Super Bowl experience,
that the stage is too big for this guy. I
I think he's up for the moment. Is a conceivable
Mahomes get out play him, Obviously it is, But I
don't If the Eagles lose this game, I don't think
it's gonna be because Jalen Hurts lost the game for them. Yeah,

(01:17:37):
I agree with that. I I think that well, look,
I mean, so much relies on the quarterback position, but
I think more importantly it comes down to which team
defensively shows up better. And I think what Philadelphia does
the best is run the football. And so if the

(01:17:57):
Chiefs find a way to stop the run, they forced
the game into Jailen Jalen Hurts his hands, and I'm
talking about as a passing quarterback. Or if the Chiefs
get out to an early lead and really find a
way to sustain and put the pressure on Jalen Hurts
and this passing game of the Eagles, then yeah, we
may look at the autopsy on Monday and say Jalen
Hurts could have could have done more and they could

(01:18:20):
have won. But essentially, the Eagles are built the way
they're built the same way. There's a huge reliance on
Patrick Mahomes to be the reason why the Chiefs win offensively.
It's the run game, you know, I would be I
would be more surprised if if Jellen Hurts doesn't rush
for over you know, whatever the number the total rushing

(01:18:40):
yards is for the game. I think it's fifty five
on most books. Like I would be more shocked if
he didn't rush for over fifty five yards and carry
the ball for a touchdown, then I would um. Then
I would if he passed for over two hundred yards
or two hundred fifty yards and he found a way
to get this game lockdown for the Eagles in a

(01:19:02):
blowout victory, because that's just not what they do. What
they do is run the football. So I didn't at
the end of the day, if the Chiefs, if they
can stop the rush and they can make this a
jail and hurts game, yeah, that's the only way we
would we would really say, like jail and hurts lost
it for them. But I don't I don't really perceive
that being the case. Yeah, And a lot of people

(01:19:23):
make the point, and it's fresh in our memory here
with these playoff blowouts against the Giants and the forty Niners,
that the Eagles have had a lot of blowouts, but
they've had some close games this year. They have that
they came out on top. They at a three point
when in Detroit, that at a three point when in Arizona,
they had a one point win on the road against
the Colts. Uh five point went on the road against

(01:19:44):
the Bear So they've had close games. Were hurts delivered
late in the game? All right, where is the money going?
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so rich on this Super Bowl Sunday, it's all about
the food. I mean, it's all about food. And by

(01:20:50):
the way, there were a lot of doctors warning people
about food intake on Super Bowl Sunday. And I'm not
saying if you got a serious condition that you shouldn't
watch things, but I I you know, let's face it,
it's like the ultimate cheat day, isn't it. Rich? Yeah?

(01:21:11):
I mean I And by the way, Rich Ornberger is
one who used to pride himself on his cheat days
that unfortunately at times of his life became cheat weeks
and sometimes cheat months. But you're you're really an expert
on cheat days when when uh super Bowl comes around,

(01:21:31):
I really honestly tear up whatever diet I'm on for
whatever length of time feels appropriate. Today today, I'm probably
gonna get underway at some point on our show, Like
at some point, oh, we've already started here. By the way,
can we get an update on the food? So there's
a place right down the street that we went to

(01:21:52):
get some food. And it was a little complicated here
because as you know, uh vegetarian. Um, So Sam, can
you update us on exactly what everybody is now eating
as we get ready for the big game today? I
think we're all very content here. Um, I have not started,
but I got a tri tip burger and some fries,

(01:22:13):
some garlic parmesan fries. Very nice, very nice. And Ryan,
what are you munching on today? I've got a buffalo
chicken sandwich with some fries and I'm pleased to report
that both are excellent, excellent, excellent. Now I've got some
what we call stadium pretzels here with the variety of
both a sort of a spiced up mustard sauce and
a cheese sauce. And Rich, I know you love pretzels,

(01:22:35):
you know, the big baked warm pretzels. Uh do we
have Monsey available? Uh? So, Monsey, what are you taking
in today on the Super Bowl Sunday? An excellent, impossible burger,
impossible burgner wounds? Thank you, Steve. Now did we also

(01:22:56):
get some buffalo cauliflier? Do we get that? That we do? Okay, okay,
all right, so you can see it's sort of a mix, right,
I mean you got from a try tip and you
know to the So what how lay it out for us? Rich? Like,
how how are you going to progress food wise over
the course of this day? Now? I'm glad you asked. Um. First,

(01:23:16):
I'm gonna dive into a little charcuterie, you know, which
is a fancy word I believe of French origin. Um,
that means a cheese plate. Okay, you know what I mean.
It's pretty simply put meats, cheeses, maybe even some berries
on the cutting board. I'm gonna stuff those down the gullet,
wash that down with some bruskies, There's no question about it.

(01:23:37):
And then I'm gonna head over the neighbor's house where
apparently they've got a full spread over there, we're bringing
sliders now normally, and you know me, um, I'm I
I I'm of an epicurious nature. You know, I'll cook um,
but not this time because we're gonna be spending all
this time broadcasting. I ordered from this place nearby, and

(01:23:58):
so we're gonna show up with with eighteen or twenty
sliders to share monkst a small group. And uh, now
you mentioned chips and dip. Go ahead, yeah, yeah, I mean,
do you have a favorite chip? Favorite dip? I mean,
what do Yeah? Okay, let's hear that my favorite my
favorite chip? Yeah yeah, there's no question in my mind

(01:24:19):
is a is a tortilla chip? Tortilla chip just a plane?
Maybe you could give me There are certain tortilla chips
that go overboard. But there you know, there's some like,
you know, give me a hint of of lime, give
me a hint of soy sauce. That sounds odd, but
I'm telling you it works. Well, that's the salt factor there,
a little bit of savory, right. Uh, you dip that

(01:24:40):
into a case. So I'm not sure if there's anything
that sings to me more than like caso concarnate, like
where you have you know, like you're dipping your it's
into a velvety hot, steaming bowl of melted cheese, but
then all of a sudden you come out with little
morsels of meat. Surprise. Yeah, so you have like a
little like the chilies with the cheese and maybe some

(01:25:03):
maybe some hidden you know, spicy peppers. You know what
I'm saying. Yeah, so caeso concarnate with so you could
eat that, and you've got a couple of beers with
you as well. I mean you could literally devour gallon,
maybe two gallons of so so yeah, all right, well okay, um, yeah,

(01:25:24):
by the way, as everyone's getting ready food wise, I
hope we made you a little hungry, because we're definitely
hungry here. Um. It's always interesting with betting on the
Super Bowl because there's more money wager this day than
by far any other day of the year. And it's
not uncommon for the line on the Super Bowl to

(01:25:48):
make a a sudden, late change. It's almost like a
lot of people wait till the very last moment started
taking in all the information injury parts, you know, so
many things can happen, obviously, injury wise, where somebody gets hurt,
in practices, whatever. So people wait till the last second
many times to actually put their money down on the

(01:26:10):
Super Bowl. And apparently that is the case this year
because we've been talking about this line point and a half,
two points with the Eagles favored has held steady for
two weeks, but all of a sudden, it's changing, and
it's changing in favor of the Kansas City Chiefs. Big
money is coming in. One of the sports books in

(01:26:34):
Vegas said, it just keeps coming in on the Chiefs. Now,
what's interesting here. Of the previous fifty six Super Bowls,
only five have had a closing line of a point
and a half or less. And it looks like this
is gonna be one of those games. I don't know
if it's gonna get all the way to pick them,
but it's heading in that direction. So this is you know,

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at least from a point spread standpoint, this is a
coin toss game. But it looks like late money is
coming in on the Cheefe. Are you surprised by that? No? No,
I mean I wouldn't be surprised either way, Like if
all of a sudden there were a bunch of big
bets being placed on the Eagles too, but the fact
that the Eagles have been favored and and holding steady

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basically basically since the books open betting. I want to say,
very early on you could get the Eagles as an
underdog um and then it very or and then it
very quickly flipped. I think there might have been a
half point underdog to open, and then all of a
sudden money just started pouring in on the Eagles, and

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it stayed pretty consistent where they were at most a
two point favorite or one and a point half point
favorite um throughout the course of the two weeks leading
up to the game. But it wouldn't shock me at
all if all of a sudden the script flipped and
enough money came in on the Chiefs to push this
thos are to a pick them or maybe the Chiefs

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being favored by a half point. It would take a
lot of money in order for that to be the
case this late in the game. But a couple of
big bets maybe that's followed by a lot of people
who wait for the sharps to cast their bets, pouring
money in on Kansas City, and things can move. The
line could move. I mean, a big bet on the
Super Bowl is slightly inflated. You know, A big bet

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during the regular season could be five thousand dollars. You know,
it could be depending on how close the money is um.
But super Bowl, obviously we're talking about larger amounts needing
to be bet for line movement. It's interesting when we
talk about this match up where we are constantly harping
on the young dominant quarterbacks in the a f C, right,

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and where does it stand in terms of the NFC
Where the Tom Brady's and the Aaron Rodgers, obviously, if
not already at the end of their careers, are nearing
the end of their careers. And yet you look at
the first two Super Bowl of this decade, and again,
the Chiefs won a Super Bowl in the last decade.
I hate to remind people, I know the game was

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in but it was the season. But the first two
Super Bowls of this decade were won by the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers and the Los Angeles Rams in the NFC.
So why is that rich? I mean early on, and
the Eagles are favored in this game. It could be
three for three with all the height that we're giving

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the a f C with all their young quarterbacks. So
when you look at the overall string, because a lot
of people are looking at the Eagles and the record
they've had this year and like, yeah, about who they play, right?
I mean? And and by the way, the a f
C division they were matched up was with the a
f C South. You know, it wasn't like, you know,
they we're playing like dynamite teams in the a f

(01:29:50):
C side. But if they do win the Super Bowl,
are we making too much of the quarterback situation in
the a f C or do you think because of
the Mahomes and the Boroughs and the Allen's and the
Herbert's and the you know, all the young quarterbacks and
that uh, you know, Trevor Lawrence Lamar Jackson, that this
thing is gonna flip quickly, Ken, I mean, look, the

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reality of this game is if you have a quarterback,
and I mean a great one or or anything resembling
a great quarterback, you've got a chance to make the playoffs.
If you have an elite quarterback, you've got a chance
to win a Super Bowl. So everybody's chasing the same thing.
There's only so many quarterbacks to go around. It just
so happens, though, that all of the best young talents

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at the position outside of Jalen Hurts. I mean, I'm
really struggling to think of another young talented NFC quarterback
who you could make an argument is going to uh
um carry a franchise for the next decade. I mean,
so outside of Jalen Hurts that he's kind of the standalone,

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you know. I mean, Danny Dimes is five years into
his career and it's been me you know. Dak Prescott
is not young anymore. He's onto his second courter contract
and and honestly, we're starting to see him settle into
what that Prescott is probably gonna look like for the
remainder of his career, which is great at times, good
enough almost the rest of the time. And and yeah,

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I mean so enthusiastically. I'll say that the a f
C is out to a huge head start in terms
of having franchise quarterbacks who are going to carry the
next decade. We'll see if the NFC can catch up.
Apparently this is a loaded uh draft class coming into
the league. You know. I feel like we say that
every two or three years, and it pans out where

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maybe one or two of those quarterbacks who's being highly
touted end up breaking through. And if that's the case,
if two NFC quarterbacks or two NFC teams rather scoop
up one of those two quarterbacks or both of them, uh,
then we could see a little bit more balance here.
But right now, if it sort of feels like Jellen
Hurts is the only young talented quarterback on the NFC

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side that we can really point to and saying, yeah,
that team, they've probably got their guy for the next decade. Alright.
So Patrick Mahomes has been a game changer, no question,
for Chiefs fans out there, as much as Tom Brady
was a game changer for the fortune of the New
England Patriots. But I'm gonna talk on the other side
about a single individual whose life was changed for the

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better because of an association with Patrick Mahomes, this is
Fox Football Sunday. Steve Harbin and rich Ornburger, this is
Fox Football Sunday. We are now three hours and six
minutes away. Excuse me, nine minutes away. Got ahead of
myself from the gig off of Super Bowl fifties seven,

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and the brightest star in the field will be Kansas
City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes. That one is second m
VP award. Dominated the voting, by the way, I got
forty eight of the fifty first place votes, So no
doubt he's been a game changer for the Cheese organization.
Re member before he arrived, the Chiefs of one exactly
one super Bowl and that's back when they were an

(01:33:15):
a f L team. Uh, And there hadn't been a
lot of success in the postseason until he arrived. He's
ten and three in his postseason run, and of course
this is his third Super Bowl in four years. But
while I was walking around Radio Row over several days
last week or during the course of this week, I
ran into someone that I've known for a very long time,

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and I was reminded again about how a single individual
can really alter the course of someone's life. And that
is my dear friend Lee Steinberg. I've known Lee Steinberg
so long that my sons, who are now twenty six
and twenty four, on the day that both of them
were born, I received in the may Ill uh special

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delivery a bottle of champagne courtesy of Lee Steinberg, both
times with a note that read, just in case their
future NFL quarterbacks, remember who was there first. So I've
normally for a long long time. And you know this
goes back to even pre Jerry McGuire. Now, if you
don't know about the Jerry McGuire movie came out in
the mid nineties star Tom Cruise, and essentially he was

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the consultant. It was it was almost like his life story,
and Lee was on top of the world. He he
represented eight players that were the first overall pick in
the NFL draft, mostly quarterbacks. That's an NFL record, by
the way, for an agent. He represented Troy Aikman, Steve Young,
all the great quarterbacks of that era. But he fell

(01:34:47):
on hard times. You know, he battled alcoholism. Uh he's
been you know, knock on wood sober now for uh
twelve years working on thirteen right now. Um, he had
a fall for bank Crupsy I mean, there were a
lot of down times for Lee and I knew him
through this entire time, and it was sad because you know,

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here's a guy who've been on top of the mountain
and then a lot of people worked against him. Uh
and it just it just seemed like he was never
going to get back. And then he ends up with
the opportunity to represent Patrick Mahomes. And I asked him
about mahomes in representing Mahomes in as opposed to representing

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the likes of a Troy Aikman or a Steve Young,
let's say, thirty years ago, and he said, well, obviously
the money is a lot different than it was back
in the day, but the one thing that doesn't change
is the kind of character in quarterbacks where they actually
think about their public perception rather than just the almighty dollar.

(01:35:59):
And he made it clear to me that as much
as we see Patrick Mahomes with State Farm and all
these different endorsement deals, if they were to take every
offer throwing in Mahomes, you would see him ten times
as many times. Um. And he gives a little gave
me a little insight because I wanted to know about Mahomes.
He says, understand this first and foremost, he comes from

(01:36:19):
a great family. In fact, his mother is so adamant
because Patrick mahomes father is Pat Mahomes. She wants to
make it clear He's not Pat, He's Patrick. His father
is Pat Homes. My son is Patrick Holmes. She's very
upset about this. I like a mom would write and
everything else. But to see Lee out and about then

(01:36:44):
he's in his early seventies now and everyone reaching out
for him because obviously represents Mahomes, sort of warms me
because I know what this guy has been through and
he was at the top and it was a steep fall,
and now he's back with the not just the best quarterback,
best player in this league, but he's a really good
kid from a really good family. So you know, I

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I don't necessarily have a rooting interest in this game.
I just want a really good game. But when I
hear these things about Mahomes and understand what Homes Mahomes
helped do for my friend Lee Steinberg, I have to men,
I have a little bit of a soft spot. There
no question about that. Yeah, well, let let me let
me put it to you this way. I think Lee

(01:37:30):
Steinberg and this is just using him as an example,
But there are other out there. Um there, there are
agents who intentionally pump the brakes on blowing up the
popularity and the marketing of the stars they work with,
especially in sports, because this isn't This isn't like it

(01:37:52):
is in Hollywood. You know, where you're going to do
one movie potentially per year, and then you gonna you're
gonna coast off of you know, those obvious Sometimes it's
a windfall of cash, or you know, if there's a
successful TV series you're on, you know, you'll continue to
ride that wave until the wave gives out and you

(01:38:13):
have to start a new project. In in football, you're
judged on a daily basis, you know, especially in season.
You know how you handle the media, how the media
perceives you, how you play, how your teammates like you.
And I think it's a very intelligent um proposition, even
with a guy who's a budding star, to try to

(01:38:34):
keep some of the trappings of their fame at bay
at first, because it can help you keep the main thing,
the main thing. The main thing is being the greatest
football player you possibly can be. Now, in the case
of Mahomes, it is an exceptional example, because he may
become the greatest football player to ever live if he
keeps going on the tradeactory and the pace he's on

(01:38:56):
for the next twenty years, if he can play that long.
But the reality the situation, as many players are not.
I'll give you a recent example, Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield
was all over your television his entire rookie year. It
felt like he was in every single commercial break during
the NFL season, and I think I think it was

(01:39:16):
too much, too soon. I think it was I think
it was overexposure. And I think that people obviously loved
Baker's Baker Mayfield's authenticity in some ways, but some people
found it detestable. And the main thing is that you
become the greatest quarterback he possibly could be. And I'm
not saying that served as a distraction to all of that,

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because I think it had more a lot more to
do with the fact that he was in a really
volatile situation in Cleveland. But I also don't think it
was great advice to have him be marketed as heavily
and as often as he was out the gates. So yeah,
credit Lee Steinberg for having a good plan for a
guy who was an upcoming star in this league. Yeah,

(01:39:57):
it's he and he's it's a perfect fit. You know.
The one thing I know about Lee and is the
fact that his appeal to so many of these players
was to give back immediately, right In other words, all right,
we're gonna make this money, you got your contract, We're
gonna obviously seek endorsement deals, but it's it's equally important

(01:40:20):
to give back. And not everybody is on board with that,
and maybe they choose to go in a different direction,
which is their prerogative. But for those that are conscious
of something like that, counting their blessings that they were
giving the God, given the ability to play a game
at a certain level, you know, and all the hard
work that goes with it, then he's the right guy.
And apparently Mahomes is certainly of that. Ilk um. All right,

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on the other side, I want to get to a
Super Bowl m v P. And if you're going to
wager on who should be the m v P of
the game, then and we've got some information for you
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Last time we heard from her, she was enjoying what
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(01:41:25):
and lived up to the hype. Oh it's so good.
The bread is a like brioche bun, which like just
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because he's he's you know, it's one thing. I have
a burger, and obviously you have a vegetarian burger, but
the the amenity, all the other stuff on there so good,

(01:41:45):
so good. I really am not super picky when it
comes to my burger as long as there's no pickle.
That is my biggest thing. Like I was. If there's
a pickle, I'm sending it back. Okay, Yeah, there could
be baking on my burger and I'll just move it
to the side, no problem, okay. Know, the residual taste
of a slab of bacon is less detestable than easily

(01:42:07):
one thousand I'll eat bacon over a piece of pickles.
You know what, I I honestly envy people who like
this is gonna sound so bizarre, I honestly envy people
who are particular about any food. I will eat anything
as I will, and Rich knows I am. I'm with
Rich and I are literally people that will eat anything.
Like when people say, like when people say, like, hey,

(01:42:29):
do you have any dietary restrictions? Have any allergies? Is
there anything you don't like? Like, it's almost embarrassing to
be like, no, you could just put it all on
the plane. It's fine, I'm good. Pickles have such a
strong taste, like overpowers when I'm eating. That's why I
don't like it. Yeah, that's strong tastes his happiness. It's

(01:42:54):
the local lookal all right, much sane in luck much
and look side like that alright, guys. ESPN is reporting
that the New York Jets have inquired about Aaron Rogers
his availability with the Green Bay Packers. Now he's obviously
isn't He still in his four day darkness retreat, so

(01:43:16):
he's not available right now, but they're inquiring about it.
Now He's thinking about the fifty one million in salary
that he's going to make. That must be nice, Must
to be nice. What's also nice is that Baltimore Ravens
defensive end Callas Campbell is going to return for his
sixteenth NFL season. Woo. In the NBA, it's been back
and forth, and now we have a tie game between

(01:43:37):
the Memphis Grizzlies and the Boston Celtics, tied at sixty
three halfway through the third quarter, Jason Tatum leading Boston
with thirteen points and four rebounds. Back to you guys,
all right, montery, very very good. Put those pickles aside.
Well then if you don't, all yours all right, very
very good, Thank you very much. Al Right, Uh, Super

(01:43:58):
Bowl m v P one of the very popular wagers
when it comes to the Super Bowl, and as you always,
the favorites are the quarterbacks. I mean, that's that's a
pretty easy fit. Although it's it's interesting there's not a
whole lot of difference in the odds between Mahomes and
Hurts winning Super Bowl MVP. The thinking is, well, if
the Eagles win, Hurts will be the m v P.

(01:44:20):
If it's the Chiefs, that will be Mahomes. So what
about not betting on a quarterback, so rich fifty six
Super Bowls, quarterbacks have won the MVP Award thirty one times.
What position do you believe has had the second most
m v ps um I don't know. The answer is

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wide receiver including last airs, Cooper cop Julian Edeman was
a Super Bowl m v P. Santonio Holmes was an
m v P hines Ward Dion Branch. There have been
eight wide receivers that makes sense to win the MVP Award.
Now you say, what about running back? Are you ready

(01:45:08):
for this? There have been seven running backs to win
the m v P Award, but none since Super Bowl
thirty two when Terrell Davis had the big day for
the Broncos and he was the Super Bowl MVP. It
does kind of make sense when you really think about
what's been going on lately. Well, let me ask you this, though.

(01:45:31):
You have the Eagles and they're a running team, right
and you have a Pro Bowl running back and Miles Sanders,
so he's still sitting. I think he's like number five
right now as far as the odds are concerned. If
the Eagles win this game, they're gonna be running the
ball effectively. And if Miles Sanders, let's say has a

(01:45:52):
hundred in twenty yards and scores two or three touchdowns.
You know that because again, if you look at the Eagles,
they they're not particular in the way they get into
the end zone. It could be Jalen Hurds. I mean,
he could run the ball in. Um. I don't know
if this wouldn't be a case where I would if

(01:46:13):
you like the Eagles to win this game, I might.
I might throw some money on Miles Sanders in this game.
It's conceivable, but i'll, i'll. The problem is when you
really investigate what makes the Eagles go offensively. Yeah, it's
their run game, but it's not just the run game
in terms of like, hey, let's hand it off to

(01:46:33):
Miles Sanders twenty times a game that rarely happens. It's
more like, hey, let's give Miles Sanders twelve carries. Let's
give Kenneth game will you know, ten carries. Let's have
a sprinkling of of Jalen Hurts getting five quarterback carries,
and a lot of those can go for a good
yardage because you can, you know, fool people on the

(01:46:55):
the the zone read or you know, maybe there's an
RPO pass that has a QB run tag to it
or quarterback draw like we've seen the Eagles execute many
times before. You know, they kind of they kind of
they kind of divide and conquer. They kind of use
all of their and then, by the way, some of

(01:47:15):
their wide receivers get get involved obviously in the run game,
whether it's a gadget plays or jet sweep type stuff.
So there's all that too. Yeah, I get what you're saying.
And if this was the Tennessee Titans, I would agree
with you, because they are very running back reliant, especially
when Derrick Henry's healthy. But that's not really the Eagles

(01:47:37):
formula for success. They spread the ball around even in
the run game. It's interesting the Super Bowl record for
most rushing yards in the game is held by somebody
that you would have to be an absolute diehard NFL
fante ever remember this guy playing the game? Wow? Who
is it? The record is two hundred and four yards.

(01:47:59):
Only one person has ever run for more than two
hundred yards in a Super Bowl. How long ago was
it before you you know about? How long ago was
this was Super Bowl twenty two? Okay, okay, yeah, I'm
not gonna be able to come up with this name.
Who is it? The name? Are you ready? Timmy Smith?
Now what makes this even even more absurd was is

(01:48:22):
that Timmy Smith? That day? It was the first game
he ever started in the NFL. And the reason that
no one remembers Timmy Smith is that that was the
same game where Doug Williams Super Bowl, he was Washington
running He was the Washington running back therese you know,
Doug Wayne super four touchdowns. Was Super Bowl m v

(01:48:44):
P Cowboys the Broncos, the Broncos m But Timmy Smith
in that game ranford two hundred and four yards. And
it was funny because after that game, like, who is
this guy? Right? He he went to camp the next year.

(01:49:04):
Get this, So he'd started one game and he ran
for two hundred four yards in the Super Bowl, and
he suddenly had an agent because he was I think
of fifth round pick originally complete nobody, and he went
to camp demanding to be the highest paid running back
in the league. Smart. So he goes, all, right, after
that Super Bowl, I want to be the highest paid

(01:49:26):
running back in the league. He finally showed up. They
didn't give him a deal. He showed up twenty five
pounds overweight, and two years later he was completely gone.
Oh my gosh, so uh it's it's unbelievable. That is
I'll tell you what that is. If there isn't a
better American story, then hey, listen, I just had the

(01:49:50):
best day of my life on the job. Y'all need
to pay me a ton of money and then to
show up overweight and then to be washed out of
the league in two years. I feel that is just
that is what dreams are made of, right there. But
he goes on forever as the leading rusher ever in
a Super Bowl game. And when you think about it,

(01:50:12):
unless like a Derrick Henry shows up, I mean, that
record could last forever. I mean it's already lasted more
than you know, thirty years, so it would be it
would be hard to imagine the circumstances that would permit
a running back in this game, especially between these two teams,
to to beat that record, because when you really think
about it, between Jerick McKinnon and Pacheco and Cadarius Tony

(01:50:37):
and you know, all these other receivers that the Chiefs
will involve in the run game. Um, and then, like
I mentioned on the side, of the Eagles, between Hurts
and Sanders and Gamewell like there, there's just a lot
of mouths to feed, and nobody is going to be
featured in that way, like like a Timmy Smith. It's
just not gonna happen in this game. So certainly, if

(01:51:00):
I were to make one bet and and feel secure
in it, there isn't going to be a running back
or a player to rush for over two hundred yards
in this year's Super Bowl. I can promise you that.
All right, Rich, I want you to think about this
for a moment, because we have had over the years
many unexpected heroes in the Super Bowl. Some have been
m v ps, like Malcolm Smith Super Bowl m v

(01:51:23):
P for the Seahawks and their blowout victory against the Broncos.
How many people remember that that Malcolm Smith the linebacker?
What's the Super Bowl m v P? Um A guy
like Dion Branch in one of the Patriots Super Bowl wins.
It wasn't Tom Brady that was an m v P.
Don Branch. Dexter Jackson was another Super Bowl m v P.

(01:51:46):
How Larry Brown, not the basketball coach, but a cornerback
for the Dallas Cowboys was super Bowl m v P
of Super Bowl thirties. So I want you to think
about this. On the other side, we're gonna give you
a name who could emerge from obscurity, the complete long
shot that could be v difference maker in Super Bowl

(01:52:09):
fifty seven. This is Fox Football Sunday, Steve Harbin and
a Rich Armburger. Once again, you are listening to Fox
Football Sunday Live from the tire rack dot Com studios,
continuing the countdown to Super Bowl fifty seven. Eagles and
the Chiefs talk a little bit about Super Bowl MVPs

(01:52:34):
and although quarterbacks dominate this award and have over the years,
makes a lot of sense every once in a while
out of left field, like what what happened there? Who?
Who is this person? So I'm I'm looking at some
names that are not necessarily anonymous. But if you're thinking
outside of the box of who could be a Super

(01:52:56):
Bowl m v P, I got one guy. Now, I
don't know if you've come up you I'm gonna go first.
You ready for this. I've got one and I'm curious
if it's the same one you're thinking of. All right,
So I'm thinking from the Philadelphia Eagles standpoint Okay, So
if the Eagles win this game, it could be because

(01:53:16):
of their defense, right. I mean, if the Eagles defense,
which has been outstanding all season long, does something to
disrupt Patrick Mahomes, that's gonna put spotlight on somebody. And
if Mahomes, let's say, throws a couple of interceptions and
the same guy intercepts both, that could be a ticket

(01:53:39):
to m v P. Darius Slay. Okay, now, so I'm
looking here because of the tremendous pass rush of the
Eagles and all works hand in hand mentioned before that
the Eagles are given up less than a hund yards
per game passing the ball. That's as much about their
defensive front as it is their set secondary. But you know,

(01:54:02):
Mahomes gets behind, he starts throwing things up there a
little bit, gets a little careless, which we've seen in
the past. It's like, gets a couple of interceptions. He's
a veteran, he's been around, you know, he's he's he's
had interceptions a couple of years ago, and a couple
of fumble returns for touchdowns. I could see a guy
like that having one of those games where even if

(01:54:24):
you've never heard him before. Although you should have the NFL.
He's had some good seasons, has some great seasons in Detroit.
I can see a guy like Darius Slay becoming an
m v P okay. Um, I'll make this pretty simple.
Jerick McKinnon since becoming Kansas City chief has really surged

(01:54:46):
as an offensive threat. Um. I just think that they
use him creatively. He's not just used as a running back.
He's used as a slot receiver. Sometimes he's you know,
he's in motion. Sometimes he's shared is the backfield with
other running backs occasionally. And this is a guy where,

(01:55:06):
you know, while everybody is going to be interested in
covering some of the names that you do know in
terms of the Kansas City Chiefs receivers, the Juju Smith
Schusters or the Marquees Valdis Scandling or certainly Travis Kelsey,
I could see mckinton McKinnon getting open a couple of times,
especially in the low red zone. Maybe single covered, or
maybe he'll just be a target, like they'll plan for

(01:55:29):
him to get uncovered somehow and get a couple of scores.
You pair that with a decent receiving day, a decent
rushing day, and I could easily see Jerick McKinnon getting
them VP honors. All right, So right now I'm looking
at some odds for both those players. McKinnon right now
is plus eight thousand. Yeah, there's some value there. Slaves

(01:55:49):
plus fifteen thousand. How about this though, how about odds
of either Chad Hanny or Gardner Minshew be in the
m v P of this game? Oh my god, Now
think about this. Both Jalen Hurts and Mahomes are a
little banged up, right, I mean, Hurt's got hurt late
in the season. You know, I don't know. I mean

(01:56:09):
he might be healthy, but you know, and you don't
want to see this obviously, but if one of these
two starting quarterbacks go down and the backup comes in
and they win the game. Heck, we saw Nick Foles
do it, right. He was the Super Bowl m v
P as a backup. Now, granted he started the game,
but possible. Now if you're wondering about odds with those

(01:56:31):
two guys, hen he has listed at plus fifteen thousand.
Min Shoes at plus seventeen thousand, five hundred, right, I
mean that's conceivable, right it is. I Mean, look the
crazy thing about the Super Bowl again, in a one
off capacity if anything is conceivable, because we were talking

(01:56:52):
about this earlier, Steve, when you play one game to
determine the entire season, the outcomes, I mean, they they
could be so varied. Like if if we're gonna play
a series, and we're gonna name a series m v P, well,
if it's the Yankees, most likely it's gonna be Aaron Judge,
you know what I mean. If we're gonna play a series,

(01:57:13):
if it's if it's the Lakers, most likely it's gonna
be Lebron James. You know, because the best teams typically
will win a series, and the best players on the
best teams will typically win the m vps because they're
going to bear out as statistically the most important players
in those series. But in a one off game, you know,

(01:57:34):
I mean, the Golden State Warriors can win, you know,
by ten points or or a nail biter, and it's
not Steph Curry, or it's not Clay Thompson, it's Jordan Poole,
you know what I mean, In a one off game,
the San Diego Padres can win, and it's not because
of Manny Machado or Xander Bogart's it's because of Jake
cronin Worth, you know what I mean, Like, there are

(01:57:56):
relatively anonymous players who in one game can all of
a sudden becomes stars. You may not know them nationally,
they're definitely not spoken about that often, but in one game, Yeah,
it absolutely kind of so Darius Slay Gardner, Minshew Jerick McKinnon.
You know, it's possible. It's very conceivable because we only

(01:58:16):
get one of these to determine who's the champ. By
the way, according to the odds, if it's not Mahomes
or Hurts, the two most likely MVP candidates according to
the odds are Travis Kelsey and A. J. Brown. So,
by the way, no tight end has ever won Super
Bowl m v P. Well, Travis Kelsey is barely a

(01:58:38):
tight end. Travis Kelsey is basically a wide receiver. Yes, uh,
he's a challenge. You know, we're we're gonna do much
more on this breakdown here. But if if you're the
Philadelphia Eagles, and if you didn't hear Vic Fangio was
brought in as a consultant for two weeks by the
Eagles before signy his deal with the Dolphins because of

(01:58:59):
his larity with that Chief's offense. It just always amazon
to me when teams play against the Chiefs, when I
see Kelsey go uncontested off the line of scrimmage. I mean,
you have a five yard rule for a reason. Why
would you let Kelsey literally run off the line of

(01:59:19):
scrimmage without hitting him? Because in the passing game, it's
all about timing. Oh yeah, yeah, you put a shoulder clip,
anything to throw off the timing. And yet time and
time again, I see teams playing the achieves and I'm like,
what are you doing? Why is Kelsey literally running down
the field uncontested? All Right, we got a lot more

(01:59:40):
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(02:00:47):
the information, one thing we know about j is he's
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Ja Ja is not one of those guys are gonna
give you a steady flow. It's got to be something
of substance for Jay Glazer to come forward in his
track records. Batting average is remarkable, but Jay Glazer. Rich

(02:01:08):
says he spoke to Andy Reid and asked him if
there was any chance that this could be his final game,
and Reid said, quote, I'm not getting any younger. I
still have a young quarterback. I have a decision I
have to make after this game. Now, Andy turns next month,

(02:01:33):
and you're thinking, why would he retire? I mean, you've
got Mahomes under contract for eternity, UM the systems working. UH.
Five straight trips. Hosting the a f C Championship game,
UH is very conceivable. Obviously, there are many more Super
Bowls ahead for Patrick Mahomes as a quarterback. But if

(02:01:55):
you're any Reid who's gone through a lot of personal
tragedy obviously with his sons, and a lot of stuff
that's gone on in his personal life, his spot in
the Hall of Fame is set, no question about that.
I don't know when he when he says I have
a I have to make a decision after this game.
If you're starting to think about it, rich you might

(02:02:16):
already be there, yeah or or um, he wants more money.
You know, Listen, I don't mean to be cynical about this,
because I think Andy Reid is a really, really likable guy.
But he's also a businessman. You know, Andy Reid is
one of the greatest coaches who's ever coached in football history,

(02:02:38):
you know, at the collegiate or the professional level, because
of how how much success he's had with multiple franchises,
with multiple quarterbacks, and you know, the the offensive impact
he's had, certainly on the NFL. You know, the fact
that he has acclimated his offense to so so many
different types of quarterbacks. You know, Diamond McNabb was different

(02:02:59):
from Patrick Mahomes, was different from Alex Smith. You know,
He's had success with a lot of different types of quarterbacks,
a lot of different styles of play. And this goes
back to the time where he was an assistant on
Mike holmgren staff as well. You know. So there there
is a part of this where it's, yeah, okay, Andy
Reid is getting up there in age, and Andy Reid
certainly has done enough in this game to earn his

(02:03:22):
his seat in the Hall of Fame and all those things. However, also,
how do you make it worth his while? You know,
how do you make it worth his while to stick
around and coach for the next I don't know, two years,
four years. Well, I got some numbers for your rich.
I love where you're going with us. Okay, So we
do not know, unlike every player in the league, exactly

(02:03:43):
what the salaries are for the NFL coaches. It's not
public records, so he has to start digging behind the scenes.
Here's what we do know. Sean Payton is now the
highest paid coach in the NFL, and Sean Payton is
gonna make somewhere between seventeen and twenty million dollars a year.

(02:04:04):
Sean McVeigh is making between fifteen and eighteen million a year,
Belichick making about twelve and a half million, Pete Carroll's
at eleven million, cost about nine and a half million,
John Harbaugh's and that nine million dollar range. But reports
are that Andy Reid is it about eight million. Well,
if you're making eight million and you go out and

(02:04:26):
win your second Super Bowl and there's a guy Sean
Payton who's only won one Super Bowl and that was
two decades ago, and he's doubling your salary, Yeah, yeah,
if you're and you read saying, hey Clark, how about
Hunt family, how about how about we antie up a
little bit here? Right? Well, listen to this. I got

(02:04:47):
this from the Sporting News. Okay, okay, So, according to
Sports Illustrated Albert Berrier, Reid is making about ten million
per season based on a six year deal he's signed
back in So this contract is going to expire in
the season and it's going to pay him about sixty
million dollars over that time. If I were Andy Reid,

(02:05:09):
if I won Super Bowl fifty seven and I'm supposed
to be under contract through the season. What I'm saying is,
you know what, I want a brand new sixty million
dollar deal, but I want that sixty million dollar deal
over three years, and I want yeah, I mean, I
want to be paid twenty million dollars a year for

(02:05:29):
my presumably final three years in the league. After winning,
you guys, two super Bowls, bringing your team to three
Super Bowls, and hosting the a f C Championship game
for the past five years. I mean, it's great. It's
great to imagine that Andy Reid is just, you know,
the friendly guy who talks about eaton cheeseburgers all the time.

(02:05:53):
But the real the reality is he's also trying to
set up life for his grandkids and his grandkids kids
and you know, and and earn the same sort of
um generational wealth that Patrick Mahomes earned when he signed
his contract extension. Hey, listen, you can't have Patrick Mahomes
without Andy Reid. You can't have Andy Reid without Patrick Mahomes.

(02:06:15):
So if we're gonna believe that this this sort of
quarterback head coach relationship thing, like Belichick and Brady like
Carol and Russell Wilson, Uh, like Jimmy Johnson and Aikman
like you know, I mean name it, name all the
other Hall of Fame coach, quarterback, Duo's Peyton and Brees. Um.
If we're gonna believe it's glove in hand, well then

(02:06:37):
you're gonna have to If you're the Hunt family, you're
gonna have to pay Andy Reid. Oh yeah, especially after
that Sean Payton deal. See that Sean Payton deal changes
the whole dynamic. It changes everything when you have one
guy all of a sudden get everything. And and we
knew ultimately as far as the Broncos organization was concerned,

(02:06:59):
the Wall and family that bought the Broncos and they
have more money than you know countries have. Um, you know,
partying with twenty million dollars a year for a coach
is chump change. I mean it's absolutely nothing to them.
You know, I'm looking at Andy Reid and his legacy.
If they win this Super Bowl, where does he rank

(02:07:22):
all time? So they're only seven coaches. This is an
amazing staff. There's only seven coaches in the history of
the NFL who have won at least two hundred games
during the regular season. One of them is a coach
that never never got to a single Super Bowl. Marty
Schottenheimer never made it to a single Super Bowl, finished

(02:07:44):
his career with exactly two wins in the regular season.
The others include old timers like Curly Lambo and George Hallis.
And then, of course you've got the likes of a
Tom Landry and a Don Shula. The other two guys,
Belichick and Andy Read. Read now is just three wins
behind Tom Landry for fourth place on the all time list.

(02:08:07):
Belichick is still thirty wins shy of Don Shula. So
where do you Where do you now rank any Read?
If they win the Super Bowlanne they lose the Super Bowl?
Keep in mind this about Andy Reid. He has led
eighteen teams the eighteen time now he's led a team
in the playoffs. That's a remarkable number. But if he

(02:08:27):
only has one Super Bowl win out of those eighteen
runs of the playoffs, Hey, I know it's tough to
win super Bowls, But when you start putting in perspective
careers and ranking coaches, how much does it mean to
Andy Reid in terms of legacy to get the second
Super Bowl it's it's enormous. I'm not saying it isn't,
but you know, to imagine that you could write the

(02:08:50):
history of the NFL without Andy Reid, you know, it's
I mean, it's what we're talking about, is one of
arguably the top ten coaches to ever do it, you
know what I mean. And I and I realized that
ultimately winning the final game of the season, when there's
only two teams, you know, standing off and facing each other,

(02:09:13):
is uh, is of grave importance in terms of legacy.
His legacy is cemented. I will say this, though, um,
it's not cemented with everybody. There are still certain people
who will argue that Andy Reid is overrated. I spent
some time on the radio right here on Fox Sports
Radio yesterday morning with one particular person, Brian No Brian

(02:09:35):
know who I hosted Countdown to kick Off with throughout
the fall. Me and Jared Smith were kind of left
um mouth the gape when he was talking about Andy
Reid is not just overrated, but as one of the
most overrated coaches in NFL history. I I disagree vehemently,

(02:09:56):
and I told him, I was like, look, you're entitled
to your opinion, but I just can't. I can't sit
here and and quantify his importance to the game in
terms of how many coaches have come off of his
coaching staff, how many Super Bowls in the future that
are going to be that Andy Reid is going to
be credited with already. You know, the work that Doug
Peterson has done coming off of his staff is is

(02:10:19):
you know, it may be worthy one day of a
Hall of Fame appearance, and he's he's just beginning his
coaching career as a head coach, you know, so I
it's it's gonna be interesting man to see when he
does finally retire for good, depending on how many Super
Bowls he's won. If this is even a conversation for me,
it's not. I don't think he's I don't think he's

(02:10:40):
overrated at all. In fact, I could probably make the
the opposite argument. I could probably make an argument that
Andy Reid has been underrated through the majority of his
career and uh, he's finally getting his uh his flowers
now because of the work he's done in the second
act of his career with Patrick Mahomes in the Kansas
City Chiefs. I'm gonna correct myself here I I correct,

(02:11:02):
I was incorrect. This is his nineteenth time in the playoffs.
Nineteen time. That's still an astounding number. Nineteen times impact
in his entire coaching career, which started in nine with
the Eagles, and its first year they were five and eleven.
Since then, he's only had five teams that did not

(02:11:23):
make the playoffs in the last twenty three years. That
is unbelievable when you think about that kind of level
of consistency. So yeah, Anie Reid obsoletely one of the
all time legends. Remember the Chiefs of now won seven
consecutive division titles, five straight appearances in the conference championship game,

(02:11:43):
and their third Super Bowl. But still still people said,
well how many did you win? Um. By the way,
speaking of legacy, something near and deared to me happened
over the week. Something that Rich has total disdain for.
Happened during the week. But I want to take not
so much a look back, but to look ahead. We're
talking about the Pro Football Hall of Fame. We got

(02:12:04):
the latest. This is Fox Football Sunday, Steve Hartman and
Rich arm Burger. This is Fox Football Sunday. We're live
from the tirac dot Com studios. We are continuing our
countdown here to the big game between the Eagles and
the Chiefs. We are now two hours and nine minutes away,

(02:12:27):
so we're getting ever so close. Now, be eating anything yet,
rich or what's uh? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've
I've dipped into the meats and the cheeses and the crackers.
And I'm not gonna lie to you. The cooler that
we're gonna bring over to the super Bowl party as
soon as this broadcast ends is calling my name. I'm

(02:12:47):
gonna have to crack open a survey Sa mos Fina.
Maybe maybe an ice cold crisp buddy. Now, are you
one of those who likes a chilled mug? Oh? Yeah, please,
I mean you mean, I mean it's got to have that,
you know, I never really was. In my my late
great father in law, he always had chilled mugs, uh

(02:13:11):
you know, like in the freezer, and he would and
he would never, ever, ever ever drink a survey any
without that. And he got me turned onto it. I
was like, wow, that is a difference maker. Yeah, there's
something about when you can when you can crack open
a beer and you can pour it into a mug.
That's so cold that as soon as it touches the air,

(02:13:33):
the condensation start treezing against the cup. And then and
then you just start you'd start taking SIPs, right, you know,
And you know you're not noticing it at first, but
gradually as the beer, you know, drifts down to half mast,
you start to see icebergs of frost floating down the
side of the mast. Yah. Yeah, Sam, you want to

(02:13:54):
add something to this. Everything you're saying, Rich is just
you're you're preaching the sermon right now, and I'm loving it.
But how about this on a on a on like
a warm day. Okay, So I know that it's a
cold evening afternoon for a lot of people listening to
our voices, but have it on a warm day, like
when you you pull a beer out of the fridge
and then all of a sudden a neighbor rings your

(02:14:14):
doorbell and you get stuck on the patio the porch
you're talking, and you realize, as you're holding the beer,
your hands just being moistened by the cold condensation and
maybe even dab your brow with it, Like goodness, there
is something about that. My well, right now, he just
passed out, all right, I almost did So what I'll
do is I'll take a glass beer mug and I'll
run it under the faucet and get it on. Okay,

(02:14:36):
then you put it into the freezer. You can either
stop there, or sometimes I'll take it back out of
the freezer, trickle a little more water on it, put
it back into the freezer, and then it's like this
glacier and it's just amazing. I'm gonna give you another tip.
I'm gonna give you another tip, and I defy anybody
to try this and not enjoy it immensely. Okay, So
if you're ever in a rush, or even if you're not,

(02:14:57):
but you love the taste of an ice cold beer, okay,
take a a paper towel and damp in it. But
then soak that paper towel um or with a poor
a bunch of salt on it, so you're basically creating
a salt water barrier, and wrap it around your your
bottle of beer, and then put in a cooler filled

(02:15:19):
with ice in a record timing that beer is going
to be ice cold, because salt water actually freezes at
a much lower temperature than regular tap water than freshwater does,
so it actually chills the beer beer colder than the
freezing point and enjoy and enjoy. Uh. One thing I

(02:15:43):
enjoy immensely that Rich has total disdain for is the
big announcement each year for a variety of Hall of Fames.
This time, of course, it was the Pro Football Hall
of Fame on Thursday. I thought that when you looked
at who was on the finalist list, they actually picked
the five guys that were the best picks. Um. We

(02:16:04):
knew that Darrell Reevas and Joe Thomas were automatic first
ballot guys because they're in the argument of best ever
at their positions. Um. Then I was excited for Zach Thomas,
who had been overlooked for several years, probably because he
didn't have a Super Bowl win on his resume. Um Uh.
Then you looked at a guy like, uh uh, let's

(02:16:28):
see here, Randy Barber, who's been waiting for a while.
You think of that great Tampa Bay defense, and he
had John Lynch, and he had Warren Sapp and he
had Dirk Brooks. So he's the fourth member of what
was a historically good defense, right Super Bowl defense, to
get in. So you look at all these guys to
get into the Hall of Fame and that's great, But

(02:16:50):
immediately my my thoughts are the guys that are moving
into the future. And you know I mentioned earlier about
Marty Schottenheimer two wins in the regular season but never
made to a super Bowl. And we now have a
coach from the Super Bowl era who never made it
to the super Bowl to get into the Hall of Fame,
and that was Don Cooreel. Richie and I, with our
work in the San Diego area for years, have been

(02:17:13):
trumpeting that the late great Don korey L, because it
went beyond just winning Super Bowls, are getting to a
super Bowl, talking about contributions to the game. How did
he impact the game as a head coach? Can you
write the history of the NFL without mentioning Don corre
L and the air car Absolutely not two of his

(02:17:35):
Two of his proteges where John Madden and Joe Gibbs,
both of them at their Hall of Fame induction ceremonies
say how is it possible? I'm here, but the guy
that I learned everything from is not here. So coaches
to me are an interesting breed because you got a
Mike Holmgren still out there, Mike Shannonhan out there, uh,
Marty Schottenheimer, Dan Reeves for Super Bowl runs, never won one,

(02:17:59):
but got the four Super Bowls. I know the players,
and I get the senior players. We had a player,
Ken Riley of the Bengals. He became the first player
in the merger era from nineteen seventy on to get
to the Hall of Fame without being named to a
single Pro Bowl, not one man. He played fifteen years

(02:18:20):
and not once did he get to a Pro Bowl.
Is that okay? Yeah, I guess. But I would like
to see a little more effort in some of these
coaches that I think had an impact. Look at you.
You put up that many years, you coach that many
years in the NFL, you went a couple of Super Bowls.
You should be in the Hall of Fame. I look
at it very simply, like I I think to myself,

(02:18:43):
you know, if we're gonna put so much stock on
the Super Bowl just getting there? Yeah, I mean, if
you think about it, it's only two teams per year.
There have only been fifty seven totals, So that's a
hundred fourteen teams over the course of this in tirety
of football that we are going to consider. Even in

(02:19:04):
the conversation to win a super Bowl in the final
week of the NFL season. So how is it that
we diminish the the success of coaches and coaching staffs
and players and greats who have gotten to the precipice
of that accomplishment without winning the final game. Like in
no other sport other than March madness, in a postseason

(02:19:27):
are are are things decided in single elimination? So isn't
it fair to just to to give a bit more
credence and credibility to making it. I I don't know.
I I've always looked at the post season in the
NFL is being the most challenging because of the parody
in that league and because of the winner takes all

(02:19:48):
mentality of single elimination. So it baffles me when you'll
hear you know, and and occasionally, and this doesn't bother
me so much because everybody's entitled to their own pinion,
But when I hear from people, especially who have never
played the game, you know, maybe they've covered it their
whole life, ensure that gives you some credence, but but
never never understood what it feels like to miss the

(02:20:10):
postseason or to play the in the postseason or understand
how violent of a sport it is ultimately on your body.
To understand the level of of of durability, you need
to have to play twenty weeks, twenty plus weeks in
an NFL season to get there. To to diminish the
fact that a player because he never won a championship

(02:20:32):
or a coach because he never won a championship is
lesser than it's. It's just bothersome to me. And that's
the reason why I have such disdain for the Hall
of Fame in general, because I just think it's it's
a subjective um list and and everybody can make up
their own opinions. Why am I gonna trust some some
NFL writers over my own eyes, because I know what

(02:20:53):
greatness looks like. You know, next year, two first year
eligibles that should be automatic, neither neither one of them.
By the way, when he has to Pro Bowl, Julius Peppers,
no doubt about it, no pro bowler, and your former
teammate Antonio Gates, eight time Pro Bowler, three time first
team All Pro, and has the record not gunk most
touchdowns by a tight end in NFL history one hundred

(02:21:18):
and sixteen it's a tight end. By the way, you
know who's also eligible first time? I'm sure you went
up against this guy, Helooni Nada. Uh, that guy was
a problem, and that to me, he's a I think
he's a Hall of Famer. He's a lock in my mind.
I mean, Nada was you know, yeah, I mean we

(02:21:39):
talked about that great Ravens defense. When you have a
guy like that in the middle of your defensive front,
he occupies a few people, right. Uh. Yeah, yeah, Helodi
Nada was one of the more terrifying human beings to
prepare for because the problem was when you were watching
him on film, there were like quarters or haves where

(02:22:01):
you thought you were watching a Helody not a highlight film,
and you realize, no, no, no, no, this is just
what he looks like on every down, and that that
was the worst feeling in your stomach. Yeah, I'm there's
something good. Eric Berry's on the list next year. Uh.
A guy like Jamal Charles. Jamal Charles average five and
a half yards and carry for his whole career. He

(02:22:23):
was unstoppable. Yeah. And you know who else is eligible?
The guy we maybe thought might come back, Andrew Luck.
Can you believe it's gonna be already five years since
Andrew decided to end his career at a very short
amount of time. So maybe he'll come back and play
with Shane Steikin. I'm sure Shane Stikin will welcome back

(02:22:43):
if he can still throw the ball all right once again, Uh,
let's find out what's trendy. Let's bring on Muncy once again.
Are y'all done with your TikTok? Are still working? I'm
still working on it, but you know, I'm just a perfectionist,
so I am making it very detailed. Well, if you're
gonna put in the effort. I see. This is something
I say to my kids all the time. Right, if

(02:23:05):
you're gonna do something, do it right exactly. It doesn't honestly,
it doesn't take It may take a little more effort,
but if you're gonna do it anyway, they just do
it right exactly. I'm almost done with it. I'm past
the halfway point for sure. I Mean, I don't know
how many times over the years I'd see my boys,
I say, make the bed, and then it's like that's

(02:23:26):
not making a bit, you know, just throwing the confianor
back on the bed, and then throwing the that's not
making a bed. Yeah, I'm making Hollywood magic here, you
know what I'm saying Orsese right now? Right? What's like that? Right,
Martin Scorsese. I don't want to say Steven Spielberg because
I would do obviously either one. Either one. More NFL

(02:23:48):
tousing it has something to do with Super Bowl f
at the seven um and the NFL network is reporting
that Raiders quarterback Derek Carr has informed the team that
he will not accept a trade to the Saints or
any other team, So the Raiders are expected to release
him and he'll be a top free agent. Well, ESPN
reports at the New York Jets have inquired about Aaron

(02:24:08):
Rodgers and his availability with the Green Bay Packers, but
you know he's in his darkness retreat, so he's unavailable
right now. Earlier I mentioned that Danny Green, NBA player
who had to negotiate a bio with the Houston Rockets,
had interests from multiple teams. Well, the Athletic has just
reported that he has signed a one year, two million
dollar contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Now two games going

(02:24:29):
on in the NBA, the Celtics have officially beat the
Grizzlies one nineteen to one on nine was the final score.
John Moran five point six rebound, seven assists in the loss,
and the game going on right now, the Raptors up
on the Pitston sixties seven to fifty eight, halfway through
the third quarter. Back to you guys, all right, Monsty,
thank you very much. By the way, Iowa, Sam, as

(02:24:49):
all of us are riveted on the countdown to this
Super Bowl, he's riveted on the women's basketball game between
Iowa and Rutgers, where Iowa right now has an eighty
eight to thirty eight lead, eight to thirty eight. Is
there a competitive balance in women's basketball in the Big

(02:25:10):
Ten where one team could be fifty points up on
the other team. I'll just say for women's basketball in general, um,
there's not a lot of parody. No, there are really
bad teams and there are really good teams. And right
now number five Iowa over Rutgers is rebuilding all right,
first year. Here's the thing. Get focused on the game, Sam.

(02:25:34):
By the way, you know we were talking about beer
a few minutes ago. Well, one man who deserves cheers
with a big frosty is Northwestern head coach Chris Collins
safe to say his NC tournament route is over after
his Wildcats did this. It's our progressive play of the day.
Here's a length of the court pass eighty cash, is
it lost it? Ferry's gone it? Nine seconds to go,

(02:25:57):
Clive Berry protecting the ball was back in the foul
and for the first time ever for Wildcats have not
done number one set of the country at the feet
of the Purdue of Art Akers sixty four top fifty eight.
And the fans have stored the court. Yeah, that's Dave Nit.

(02:26:21):
They're from liar Field. They did store the court in
mass those Northwestern fans. By the way, Northwestern is second
right now in the big tim behind Perdue, by the way.
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that far away here, Rich, No, it's not. It's one
of my favorite times a year where I basically take
out a big dartboard and I just fling darts at them,
and I pretend like I'm a huge VCU fan, even
though I couldn't even point to where that is on
a map. Yeah, you know, we of course, you work

(02:27:07):
your flagship station and San diegoes the home of the
San Diego State Aztecs. They win yesterday again. It has
been my biggest challenge working with i From on Saturdays.
I how many times have we had a San Diego
State basketball game going on during our show? At least
a half dozen times? At least a half a dozen.
If they're on during your show, it's got to be

(02:27:29):
on in here. I mean, they were absolutely blowing out
U n l V for much of the game yesterday
at home, and it was really hard to get his attention.
I love the From loves his az Texas. I mean,
I love college basketball time. Well that's college sports. He coaches.
You see, here's the thing. He he coaches his kids
in basketball and everything else, and so you know it's

(02:27:50):
he gets frustrated when he sees his team blow a
big lead and everything else. I remind him Brian Dutcher,
outstanding coach at San Diego State, a friend of both
of ours. He's got to win a tournament game. I mean,
that's that's the thing missing on his resume. But we
were talking about the possibility, and I've seen some of
the bracketology where my U c l A Bruins and

(02:28:13):
the San Diego State Aztecs a couple of times in
the updated bracketology are in the same region matched up
in the second round, And I said, can you imagine
if we try to do a broadcast with me and
e from while U c l A and San Diego
State are playing an NC tournament game, you would hear
dead silence except for a few screams, cursing and a

(02:28:35):
few other things. He wouldn't hear a show. It would
be completely I mean, the translation text if somebody tried
to go speech to text would be it would just
be inaudible grunting. Yeah. Um yeah. The thing about it
is what March madness. We we go through this every
single year with the end of the NFL season, right,

(02:28:57):
you know, we we put the college football seas into
bed and we're fully into the playoffs or the NFL.
By the way, it doesn't seem like the conference championship
games or a month ago. I mean, it always seems
that way. But when the Super Bowl is over, and
as I say, the biggest problem with the football season

(02:29:18):
every single year is that it seems to end before
it even begins. Like we get all excited and then
it's there and we you know, we you know, you
and I be do the Sunday shows with the Red
Zone radio. You know, we got ten games, just craziness
all season long, and then it's over for you. How
much withdrawal do you go through? Because we we always

(02:29:42):
talk about this in the sports talk industry that post
Super Bowl you don't have a whole lot going on.
I mean, I'll spring training starting a little bit, but
you know, come on, I mean and we're still way
off as far as and maybe playoffs or NHL playoffs,
you know, March madness, but that's at the end of
mar How much withdrawal time do you go through when

(02:30:03):
the football season is over? Oh, I mean I feel
it immediately. I feel it immediately, like you know and
have done for the majority of your broadcast career. Um,
when you show up on that Monday, which will all
do tomorrow, and you open the microphone and realize we
are the farthest from the next NFL season, that we

(02:30:25):
will be all year long. It's a little bit depressing,
you know. So, so you definitely sort of spend a
couple of days in in a day's where you're thinking
to yourself, well, shoot, I mean I guess, yeah, we
can start to get excited for baseball. Yeah, I mean,
the golf season is starting to get in full swing here.

(02:30:46):
The spring is coming, you know. So there's some exciting
majors that are coming up on the golf on the
golf docket. But you're sort of, you know, you you're
a little bit listless for a little bit. But but
having said that, the NFL off season has picked up
steam lately. The NFL off season feels like almost on
a weekly or a bi weekly basis to deliver some

(02:31:09):
breaking news about a major player in the NFL. We're
not talking about small bananas things, you know. Derek Carr
just turning down, Uh, the trade to the New Orleans
Saints is huge news. I mean, in in three days
following the Super Bowl, the Raiders even need to find
a new trade partner or release Derek Carr, otherwise they're

(02:31:29):
guaranteeing him forty plus million dollars in the regular season.
Like that, that happens within days after the Super Bowl,
so that is going to be obviously a storyline everybody's
gonna follow. Aaron Rodgers pretty shortly after. Derek Carr's deal
is going to either be activated or he's gonna be
cut or traded. Is going to be emerging from his

(02:31:52):
darkness isolation, and and and who knows what kind of
shape he's gonna be in. But at some point after
that he needs to make a decision on whether or
not he wants to play again, whether or not, whether
or not he wants to play in Green Bay, and
if not, who he would like to go and talk
to in terms of a trade partner there. So there
will be storylines to follow very quickly here following Super

(02:32:13):
Bowl fifties, you don't forget the XFL is back, that's right. Uh.
In fact, their first game between the Vegas Vipers and
the Arlington Renegades will be next Saturday, That's right. And
then after that's over, then you have the USFL back
starting in April, so we have multiple football leagues. By
the way, I'm watching right now, Aaron Andrews is interviewing

(02:32:34):
the mom of Travis and Jason Kelsey, Donna Kelsey, Donna Kelsey,
and she has the half Eagles, half chiefs. I could
only imagine. I was always remembering this. The day that
Jimmy Carter was inaugurated as President of the United States,
he had his mom. She was, you know, like its
old white haired lady, miss Lily, and I think they

(02:32:56):
called her right, and she was being interviewed. I'm there,
we get this, and they said, so you must be
proud of your son right on his inauguration day, and
she just without hesitation, said which one because she has
multiple suns, right, And she's like, I mean, like a mom, like,

(02:33:19):
you know, which one are you talking about? Um? Mom,
believe they're talking about me. This is my inauguration. They
were like walking down here, you know, but she remember
it even being funny, like she was just like she's
just like looking at him, like, which one are you
talking about? Right? Is Well, it's such a mom thing.

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You know. The reality is and this is the truth.
And and close families know this. It doesn't matter regardless
of what your accomplishments or your your siblings accomplishments, They're
going to be equally weighed because if it's important to
your kids, it's important to you, and so I remember,

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you know, like the joy my parents would get, you know,
coming to a professional football game for me, or if
it was going to because both my brother and my
sister were musicians, or would be going to a live
show that my brother was performing in some bar in
Long Island, New York. Or you know, my sister singing

(02:34:20):
in front of like, you know, a theater, you know,
as a part of some operatic group that she belonged to. Like,
my parents were equally proud of all of us. You
know it doesn't you know. So for Donna, I mean,
both of her kids are in the Super Bowl. She
is in a win win position. I mean, there's no
losing today. And you think about it. Both these guys
have already won super Bowls. Both these guys are heading

(02:34:42):
into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, so I mean the
the you know, the the really I mean, she cant
sort of kick back. By the way, here's one thing
about Kelsey. Their actual name is pronounced Kelsey, but it
became Kelsey because apparently the father kept getting tired of
people correcting people when I would say Kelsey even though
it's actually pronounced Kells. So so the play they said fine,

(02:35:06):
it's Kelsey. But but for both Jason and Travis, they
say the reason they just say fine, it's Kelsey is
because that's their dad got tired of correcting everybody. But
actually in the family, they're known as the Kelse family.
That's such an American story, like just big dumb Americans,
like we all are just like, well, if there's a

(02:35:26):
need there, so I'm gonna pronounce it. And then finally
they're just like, all right, forget it. What we're our
last name is Big Mac. You guys can just call
us Jason and Travis Jesse tired of it, and that
the dad says, fine, just go with the Kelsey. What
are the boys gonna do? Of course they're gonna go
with their father, all right. We continue to bring you
all the latest news as we count down to the

(02:35:48):
big game coming up. Keep it right here. This is
Fox Football Sunday, Super Bowl. Steve Hartman and rich Armbarger.
This is Fox Football son Day. We are alive from
the ti iraq dot com studios. I'm checking out a
story here rich about Derek Carr, and according to Ian

(02:36:11):
Rappaport NFL Media, Derek Carr has informed any team that's
trying to make a trade with the Raiders for him.
He will not approve any trade. He has a no
trade clause and he has veto power over any deal.

(02:36:34):
Raiders expected to release him on February fifteen. He's uh
before a forty million dollars in guarantees go on. But
I'm trying to figure this out. Why he is he
basically telling it has Raiders because the reality is they're
gonna owe him within you know, a million dollars or

(02:36:54):
so about the same. They're gonna have the same cap
hit whether they trade him away or they cut him,
So it's not it's not hugely important that either either
side occurs in terms of their cap for the season.
But what is is the capital that the Raiders could
get for him. And I think what this is is

(02:37:15):
Derek Carr saying to Mark Davis especially like how dare
you so? I I was drafted into this circumstance and
I made the Raiders relevant for all these seasons, through
all these different iterations of head coaches and offensive coordinators
and you're throwing in with Josh McDaniels over me, like
you're like like, how did this happen? And so so yeah,

(02:37:40):
this is a spike play. I mean, I'm sure if
he if he fell in love with the Saints, maybe,
just maybe he would have allowed the Raiders to trade.
But you know, maybe the Raiders were driving too hard
of a bargain with New York, which could be a
market he wants to play in, or with San Francisco,
who knows, or they didn't want a trade inside the

(02:38:01):
conference and Derek Carr said, screw you, cut me, cut
me if you don't want me either that or you're
gonna have to guarantee me forty million plus. It's always
a man. I talk about this all the time when
you fire coaches and you really don't know who is
your next coach. I mean, it's easy if you got
somebody you know ready to go. Same thing here, I mean,

(02:38:22):
I mean outside of what Tom Brady and and Aaron Rodgers.
I mean, do you think if you replace Derek Carr
with Jimmy Garoppolo that's an upgrade? How's that an upgrade?
I mean, I mean, well, from a durability standpoint, you
can make that argument. I mean I don't I don't
look at Jimmy Garoppolo as a step up from a

(02:38:44):
Derek Carr. Like you said, Derek Carr is a durable quarterback.
At the very least. The Raiders better have thought this out,
because what if they don't get Jimmy Garoppolo or Aaron
Rodgers or Tom Brady that what are you gonna do? Well,
they may buy themselves some I'm by drafting one of
these young quarterbacks, and you're gonna have to give Josh
McDaniels an additional year uh to work with that quarterback.

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So we're getting never so near bonus are for us here, Richie,
as we get ready for the big game today between
the Chiefs and the Eagles. So I've been spending much
of this week trying to look for some kind of

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statistical anomalies, you know, something like sort of stands out
that maybe people have overlooked, uh, in terms of this
matchup between the Eagles and the Chiefs. Here's something that
I found interesting. So the Kansas City Chiefs offense led
the NFL in passing touchdowns. Okay, so that's certainly no

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surprise forty one of them courtesy of one Patrick Mahomes.
As far as touchdown passes allowed, the Chiefs gave up
more touchdown passes by far than any team in the NFL.
They gave up thirty three touchdown passes as a defense.

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No other team gave up party. And now that that's
interesting because they only gave up ten yards ten touchdowns
on the ground, which was one of the better numbers
in the league. The reason I'm mentioning this is is
I'm trying to figure out the offensive strategy for the Eagles. Obviously,
much much to do about the Eagles defense and how

(02:41:20):
they're gonna defense Mahomes and everything else, and what's their
strategy to try to slow down Travis Kelsey. But I'm
trying to figure out the Eagles plan of attack because
we look at the Eagles as a run dominant team.
But when you see these defensive numbers for the Chiefs
and they've been vulnerable, especially in terms of giving up

(02:41:43):
touchdown passes, and of course you do have a J.
Brown and you do have Davonte Smith. Could this be
a game where Jalen Hurts throws the ball a lot
more than we are thinking he's gonna throw the ball today. Well,
it's possible. Look, the Chiefs have two rookie corners and

(02:42:04):
you have Davante Smith and a J. Brown on the
outside there. For the Philadelphia Eagles, it's not like they
don't have offensive weapons that can go up there and
bring the ball down, you know. So, yes, the answer
to your question is yes. However, you have to remember
who you are as a team and what got you
to the place you're at. You can't all of a

(02:42:26):
sudden expect Jalen Hurts to be a seven step, five
step drop back quarterback. That's not who he is. You know.
This is a guy who's game throughout his time in
college and also in the NFL to date, whose game
is predicated around the run game and the run pass
option game and the dual reed game in terms of
the inside zone. Yeah, this isn't a quarterback who's going

(02:42:50):
to drop back like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or
Patrick Mahomes at times and give you a seven step
you know, evaluate survey of the field and deliver football
to the open to the open route. That's just not
who he is. So yeah, I do think you could
take advantage of rookie corners and maybe a leaky past
defense in terms of the Kansas City Chiefs, But also

(02:43:12):
you have to set up those opportunities for Jalen Hurts
because he's not type of quarterback who's going to just
you know, dice a defense up with his arm. All right,
let's talk a little bit about this Eagles defense now
as they go against the Chiefs, especially in the red
zone and the presence of Travis Kelsey. Alright, so you
bring in Vic Fangio. He gives you his thoughts, but

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you know when you get inside the twenty yard line
into that red zone, that Mahomes is going to try
to figure out a way to get the ball to Kelsey.
And we've seen teams try a number of different things,
whether they double him or whatever, and yet somehow, some
way he seems to be open and any of the

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ball in his hand in the end zone. So, if
you're that Eagles d defense right now, it's a red
zone situation and you know that mahomes number one target
is Kelsey. Are you paying too much at tension to Kelsey?
Do the Eagles have anybody to try to match up
one on one against Kelsey? That sounds like a tall order.

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Are you concerned if you spend too much time in
Kelsey you leave somebody else open? What do you think
the defensive strategy is going to be defensively for the Eagles,
especially in the red zone against this Chief's offense. Well,
you gotta take away your your your primary problems and
and one of the primary problems is Travis Kelsey, you know.
So if you don't shut down that option for Patrick Mahomes,

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he'll find them, you know. And then the other part
of it is you have to spend an awful lot
of time on film when you're facing Andy Reid, because
if they fell in love with a play earlier in
the season that they ran against a defense that even
looks remotely similar to what they think you're gonna run
at the goal line, well then I'll bring it back.

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You know, if there's a team out there or teams
out there who have had success in the low red
zone against your defense, you better study up on that
film because Andy Reid's gonna find it and he's gonna
find a way to exploit it. You know. So you
have to understand where your weaknesses are, and you have
to understand where the chief strengths are. And you also
have to be well studied and well versed and what

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they've done and worked and what you've done and hasn't
worked in the past. Because that's Andy Reid's game. He's
a game plan coach. He's gonna switch up the script
at the goal line against every single opponent, and they're
gonna have new projects in play, and you have to
be um amendable enough to stop those things. On game day,

(02:45:42):
we'll see, man. I I'm really curious to see how
the Chiefs handle the low red zone because normally it's
a it's a lot of deception with personnel groups and
a and a lot of a lot of um creative gameplay.
And I'm curious if they leash some of that early
in this game or if they have a plan to

(02:46:03):
unleash more of it in the second half, because a
lot of coaches and Andy Reid no different, sometimes get
a little conservative in the first half, especially in meaningful
football games. So I know one of the popular prop
bets for this game is whether or not Kelsey is
going to get into the end zone. Here's a little
staff for you. I'm gonna throw it out to you.
I'm not gonna recommend you go one way or the other.

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But the Philadelphia Eagles defense this year gave up just
three touchdowns to opposing tight ends in seventeen games. Only
four teams gave up fewer touchdown passes to tight ends. Now, again,
they haven't faced a tight end like Travis Kelsey all season,
but they have been effective in keeping opposing tight ends
out of the end zone over the course of the year.

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Let me ask you about the Eagles pass rush. Um.
This is a team that just piled up sacks all
season long. And is that simply based and personnel? Is
that based on scheme? Why have they been so effective
getting to opposing quarterbacks the Eagles? The Eagles, Yeah, I

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mean it's it's mainly because they have a couple of
guys up front who are incredible individual talents. I mean
it starts with Hassan Reddick, who had the quietest sixteen
and a half sacks season I've ever seen in the
NFL history, Like it says if he was born yesterday.
People are just starting to wake up to the fact

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that I bet you a lot of people who are
hearing the name Hassan Reddick haven't heard that name before.
I just mentioned it. And he was a first round pick.
He had good years with the Cardinals. Yeah, double digit
sacks last year in Carolina. Yeah, dude, he's incredible. Seventy
sacks for the Eagles. You realize no other team had
more than fifty five. By the way, Chiefs were second
in the NFL and sacks they had fifty five. The

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Eagles had seventy. But but listen to this defensive line.
So I mentioned Hassan read but but Brand and Graham
He's still there. He's still really good off the other edge,
um Jordan Davis. They added the freight train of a
three hundred sixty pounder out of Georgia defensive tackle. They
already had Fletcher Cox. He's had a good season this year. Uh,

(02:48:16):
Javon Hardgrave, Uh, Josh Sweat. I mean, you know, you
go down the list. How about just as part of
their three deep in Dominican Sue. I'm just saying, like,
this is one of the most fearsome front four and
the depth behind them that there's ever been in terms
of a Super Bowl team for guys in double digit

(02:48:37):
sacks this year, I'm forgetting Robert quinn Is on this
defensive line. I mean, these are names again like Sue
and Quinn and to a certain extent, Linville Joseph, who
maybe their best days are behind them. But if you
go if you have those guys resting on the sideline
and then they come into the game and they say, hey,
just give me one great snap per series and they

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go in there to spell one of the starting defense
of tackles or ends and go out there for just
one great rep. You know, every four or five plays.
You're telling me they're not gonna be effective. Well, I'm
telling you you're wrong, because that's part of the magic
of this defensive front for the Philadelphia Eagles, and they've
been good all season long because they have such depth

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the same way we were talking about the Buffalo Bill's
depth at defensive line. Really, the Philadelphia Eagles were the
team all along that we should have been paying attention to.
History made today, first time we've had two African American
quarterbacks face on, face off in the Super Bowl. So
how significant is this milestone for Super Bowl fifty seven.
We'll break it down. This is Fox Football Sunday, Steve

(02:49:42):
Hartbert Red Dryburger, Fox Football Sunday, once a End live
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one hour eleven minutes. So we are getting ever so close.
So the kick off of Super Bowl fifty seven between
the Eagles and the Cheese. History have made of this
year's Super Bowl. First time that we've had two starting

(02:50:04):
African American quarterbacks uh in this same game here in
the Super Bowl. A couple of things. Of course, when
we think about the significance of that, we go back
to the first African American quarterback to play in a
Super Bowl, and of course ended up Super Bowl m
v P. Doug Williams of course asked the infamous question
before that Super Bowl, how long have you been a

(02:50:26):
black quarterback? It goes down as maybe as someone called
him immediate, like like an idiot immediate um that asked
them the question, how long have you been a black quarterback? Uh?
So Doug Williams had to struggle with a lot of
in a uh coverage of his significance at the time.

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You know what's interesting to me about this, though, Rich,
is that sixteen years ago, sixteen years ago, in Super
Bowl forty one, we had our first matchup of African
American coaches Tony don Geeve versus Lovey Smith. So it's
seeing it doesn't seem weird because we're constantly talking about

(02:51:06):
the lack of hiring a minority coaches around the NFL,
But that Super Bowl matchup actually ended up happening. Sixteen
years before we had a matchup of African American quarterbacks
in the Super Bowl. Yeah that I mean. Here, here's
the reality of the situation is there are just positions

(02:51:29):
on the football field, on the basketball court, on the
baseball diamond that you know, classically predominantly have been occupied
by white people. And it's it's no secret this has
been going on for a long time. And I think
part of the reason was because there was, you know,

(02:51:50):
a baked in racism. And trust me, I've been exposed
to some of that over the course of my career.
You know, you play with a lot of people from
a lot of different places, and there are there were
there were times where I would share a locker room
with somebody who who would express that there are things
that black players just couldn't do as well as white players.

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And it was baffling. It was baffling to hear people
talk like that. But that was still alive and well
and I've I've I've I've only been a retired eight years,
you know, So just imagine how some of these you know,
seventy and eighty year old owners think, and you know,
and that you know, that can lead you down a
path to realize like, well, if they're in the position

(02:52:34):
of hiring coaches, um, then you can understand why there
might be a little bit of a racial disparity. And
then you think about well, in terms of who, uh,
which quarterback you're gonna select, Well, yeah, that has to
cross a lot of desks at the football level, the coaches,
the general managers, the executives, the personnel directors who are

(02:52:55):
involved in that decision, but also an owner of the
team needs to sign off on that. You if you're
gonna select the guy with a first round draft pick,
and typically those are the guys that teams will make
the heaviest investment in, and the league will make the
heaviest investment in a lot of second chances given to
first round draft picks, and a lot of those draft
picks have been white over the years, you know, especially

(02:53:16):
at the quarterback position. So no, I wouldn't say I'm
I'm shocked by any of this. You know, it's a
long time coming. I would argue because there have been
plenty of talented black quarterbacks in the league, um, and
there have been more and more over the years, and
I think that has a lot to do with um,
you know, at the youth level, more and more black

(02:53:38):
players who are talented athletes getting opportunities at quarterback, whereas
before they would be made automatically a defensive back or
a lineback or running back or receiver, and they wouldn't
give been given the opportunities at quarterback. So that is
going to continue to change as the years to take forward.
You know, the significance to me with Jalen Hurds gets

(02:53:59):
back to something I get to every single year when
it comes to the NFL Draft, and that is call
it the factor, something that goes beyond just you know,
how fast the guy runs a forty or how how
far does he jump? He was the fifth quarterback taken
then that draft, Joe Burrow was number one. He's lived

(02:54:23):
up to the hype and then some to a tongue
of Volo was the second quarterback. We'll figure out about
his future. We all don't know where his future is
right now, but certainly this year he had a breakout
season when healthy. Justin Herbert was the third quarterback taken.
You know, obviously he's he's found himself a pretty good situation.
Let's see if Kelly Moore can help him generate a

(02:54:44):
little more offense. But the quarterback taken fourth ahead of
Jalen Hurts seven spots before Jalen Hurts was Jordan's love. Now,
I don't know if Jordan's love, who you saw plenty
of when he was in college, is going to be
a start with the Green Bay Packers, who knows who
I had a chance to see him in that position
a year from now. But the fact that Hurts dropped
all the way to fifty three despite playing some big

(02:55:07):
time football in college on and again, it's just it's
one of those things where the scouts say, well, yeah,
does he does he throw the ball? I know this
My number one priority in selecting a quarterback is is
he a leader? And I remember even in his college days,

(02:55:30):
when I would listen to Jalen Hurts be interviewed, you
could sense a certain command right, you know, And that's
this is something that becomes with a leader, you know,
when you I can hear it in a guy, whether
or not he has the fiber to be a leader
for a team. And Jalen Hurts, despite whatever deficiencies that

(02:55:53):
were deemed uh that dropped him, you know, late into
the second round the draft, were overcome by the fact
that he had every box checked in terms of the
X factor, the IT factor, uh and and and and
give it to the Eagles. They saw it. They saw
something in Jalen Hurts. They convinced them that this guy

(02:56:14):
could be Remember they had Carson Wentz at the time.
You know, the nick full situation. And yet they decided
this guy has it. Let's slow down. Let's slow down.
Because Tim Tebow was the ultimate leader and he couldn't
play a lick at the NFL level. Okay, you know,
so you can say because he did lead a team

(02:56:34):
to the playoffs, yeah he did. And then but I mean,
but everybody chance to play again? But that, well, yeah,
that's because he was a terrible quarterback. Well I mean,
I mean, wait, hang on, he won a playoff game objectively, objectively, Steve,
he was a terrible He was a terrible thrower of
the football. Okay, so hang on a second. So you

(02:56:56):
are going to say that Tim Tebow was a good
was a good NFL quarterback? All right? So Tim Tebow
in his career in the NFL started fourteen games, and
he was eight and six. He was seven and four
with the Broncos inn when he led him in the
playoffs despite completing just forty six percent of his passes.
He couldn't throw, and then he never got a chance

(02:57:17):
to play again. And why is that? Because teams didn't
know how to put together an offense that would showcase
his skills. I remember a conversation I had with urban
Meyer about this. You know, I remember after after he
left Denver and he signed with the Jets, and I
had urban Meyer on the show and I said, let
me ask you this, how is it when he was
your quarterback in Florida he led the nation in passing efficiency?

(02:57:40):
And he said, because I was able to identify what
he could do and what he couldn't do, and I
only asked him to do what he could do right, Well,
he couldn't figure that out with Trevor Lawrence as the
head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. So what what what
does urban Meyer have to do with this conversation? My
point is this, it's really difficult to spotlight one thing

(02:58:01):
that that you can hang your hat on and say,
this is the one criteria that I look at when
I'm when I'm looking at a quarterback and whether or
not he's going to make it at the level. Because Steve,
you know this as well as I do, and I
know you're trying to defend the point, but the fact
of the matter is leadership is is is kind of

(02:58:21):
far down on the list. Because you could teach someone
how to be a better leader, you can Yeah, what
are you talking about either you have it or you
found In terms of being a leader, I don't agree
with that at all. I think there are certain people
who are bad public speakers who become great orators. I
think there are certain people who cannot command the respect

(02:58:44):
of their peers who have to learn a couple of
new social skills and put it in their holster and
then develop those skills and they can become more comfortable
in that leadership role. But one thing that you can't
teach is intangibly how to see a defense in real
time faster than the defense is actually unfolding. Like. You

(02:59:04):
have to be able to see it. You have to
be able to operate under stress. You have to be
able to make the throws. Tim Tebow couldn't. Now I'm
not saying he wasn't an amazing college quarterback. He absolutely was,
but he couldn't do it at the next level. Jalen
Hurts Ken and you're absolutely right. The Philadelphia Eagles, I
want to give them their credit. They drafted him in
the second round, but they didn't spend a first rounder

(02:59:25):
on him, you know, I mean they saw something in
Jail and Hurts where at the round or the selection
they were picking. They saw value in Jail and Hurts,
and they were in a little bit of a bind
a quarterback, if you remember, so it was probably a
good idea to have a security blanket there, somebody who
they could groom while they're figuring out the whole situation.

(02:59:46):
So I look at Jalen Hurts and I say, yes,
Jaalen Hurts objectively is a good quarterback in the NFL.
Objectively statistically, he can play, Uh, he can leave, he
can run, he can pass. I mean, he's done it.
He's a talented quarterback. That is the most that's the

(03:00:06):
most important criteria. Can you do it? Can we build
from there? And the answer is yes, they absolutely can
build upon this. Is he great at any one thing?
I would argue running the football is probably what he's
best at right now. And he makes good decisions with
the football and that is something that's super important. But
is he the best passer? No? No, not even not

(03:00:28):
even close. Is he the most accurate thrower? No? I
mean is he slow sometimes to make reads? Does he
get a little flustered when there's pressure sometimes? Does he?
Is he a little bit inaccurate as a rhythm passer?
Meaning like when he's being depended on to lead a
drive with his arm. You know, are all those passes
on on target? The answer is no, he's he's not

(03:00:50):
that type of player. But can you build upon those things? Absolutely,
and I think there's recent proof of that. Josh Allen.
Josh Allen could play the position. I mean, as soon
as he got into league, it was very obvious like,
oh no, this guy belongs. He's good enough to play
quarterback and that is the most important criteria. But the
reality of this situation was he needed to get better

(03:01:12):
and he did so. I'm really curious to see win
or lose in this game if Jalen Hurts continues to
get better, because if he does, the sky's the limit
for the Philadelphia Eagles. Well, this brings up a bigger question.
Do you still overpay for a razor? I mean, in
this economy that's gross. With dollars shaved Club, you can

(03:01:33):
get a top shove shave at a regular shelf price.
Dollars shaved Club is available at a store near you
in the man's razor aisle. That said, that's the end,
and with that, let's find out what is trending right
now as we bring on a born leader, but no,
that can't be to me. This she's she's leading away

(03:01:58):
in TikTok right now among other yes, fellas. I'm just
finishing it right now. When is the world going to
see this? Because I know it's yes, I am going
to post it and it'll probably go on the Fox
Sports Radio Instagram as well. I don't know if I'm
gonna put it on Twitter because the quality of video
goes way down when you upload a video to Twitter. Yes,

(03:02:22):
so it would be pointless to put it on Twitter.
So I'll put a link and then you can either
see it on Instagram or actual Twitter so you can
see the quality of it. I'm also gonna do two
different versions of it because I literally asked like twenty
of you guys different questions. So there's gonna be one
one video with five minutes worth of content and then
one with just one minute. Everybody answering you who's gonna
win the Super Well? Want I ask you this? All? Right? Yes,

(03:02:44):
I I'm a genius. You asked me two questions about Rihanna.
I'm the same answer for both, right. I took one
of the Rihanna questions out, or else the video would
have been too long. Alright, So Um asked Rich two questions. Okay, okay, Rich,
what's gonna be Rihanna's song during the halftime show? Oh? Um,
I think probably Umbrella? Okay? And then what who is

(03:03:07):
going to be her surprise guest? Oh? Great question. Um,
I don't know. I'm kind of feeling like justin Timberlake. Man.
Let me tell you, nobody gave me that answer. I'll
tell right now, though, keep them away from keep them
away from the chest areas memories serving me correctly. My

(03:03:28):
answer to both of those questions was I know nothing
about her. I know her, but I know nothing about her.
By the way, you asked me about celebrities. Now, let
me ask you this because I've been watching here. They
showed Lebron James, and then they showed Bradley Cooper. I
heard already that they showed him. But no, it's when
the game starts. Okay, So when the game starts, will

(03:03:49):
be the first celebrity that they show after kickoff? Correct,
once the game has started. So the fact that they've
already shown Lebron and they showed Bradley Cooper, Cooper said
it would be him not saying that they won't do
it again. They might, But here's the point that the
specific question was after the game kicks off, who will

(03:04:10):
be the first celebrity they show? What about Bobby de Niro?
Is he around the Super Bowl at all? I have?
Remember he was in the Silver Linings? Remember, yes, but
Cooper actually is like an Eagles Yes, Kevin Kevin Ken.
My answer was Kevin Hart was my answer the first,
because we know he's a big Eagles I remember that

(03:04:33):
embarrassing scene after the Eagles won the Super Bowl five
years ago when he was blasted out of his mind.
Remember that he stormed the stage and everything. Oh yeah,
and then yes, Um, so I'm going to guess Kevin Hart.
That was my guest that that was a good one.
That was an answer in Bradley Cooper was a common
answer as well. Yes for sure, So we'll wait and see.

(03:04:53):
But it has to be once the game starts, who
was the first celebrity that they show? Yes? So obviously
what's going on on Twitter. Everybody's super excited about the game.
We are what about twenty no, not twenty, about fifty
five minutes away from kickoff, so we are almost their
Super Bowl fifty seven, which is probably why the NBA
decided to have its games early so that people would

(03:05:14):
watch before the Super Bowl game actually started. The NBA
game that's about to end. It's between the Pistons and
the Raptors, and the Raptors are gonna win. It's one eighteen,
one thirteen, seven seconds left in the game. Fred Vanvley
leading Toronto with thirty five points and eight assists, and
the Celtics did beat the Greenes the Grizzlies earlier today.
One nineteen to one oh nine was the final score.
Pelicans All Stars Zion Williamson. It came out that he

(03:05:36):
reaggravated his hamstring injury, so he's expected to miss additional
weeks after the All Star break unfortunately, and Raiders quarterback
you guys talked about it, Derek Carr has informed the
team that he won't accept a trade to the Saints
or any team, so he's gonna be released and we'll
be a top free agent. Back to you guys. Super
Bowl at seven, it's here, less than an hour away,

(03:05:59):
so we are you definitely getting close right now. Again,
this is a Fox Football Sunday um. By the way,
speaking of Lebron James, who is obviously at the game,
So I'm there. Uh, he broke a course, the all
time scoring record rich on Tuesday night. By the way,
that was a real bummer for people that tickets for
the Thursday game against the Bucks, where the average ticket

(03:06:20):
price was thirteen hundred dollars. A lot of people thought
he would wait till that game because he was going
to break the record one way or the other, be
being that that was the team where Kareem Abdul Jabbar
started his career with was the Milwaukee Bucks. So not
only did he not break the record in that game,
he didn't even play in that game, and the average

(03:06:41):
ticket price was thirteen hundred dollars. I hear that some
of those tickets were sold off for as little as
sixty five dollars. Wow, when it was announced he wasn't
even going to play in that game. Okay, so if
you have just supposable income, maybe you don't blink. But

(03:07:02):
for some that must have been an absolute white out.
By the way, after that game, so Lebron had a
big party. Yeah yeah, and he brought in two goats
to the party, like actual goats to actual goats, by
the way, so he you know, he basically bought out this,
you know, really nice restaurant. They brought two actual goats

(03:07:23):
into this place for about fifteen minutes. Okay, okay, and
apparently he was part of it. And then when he
was asked about where he stands in basketball history, he said,
I believe I'm the greatest player of all time. Yeah,

(03:07:44):
I am. I think I think what he said precisely
because I think it was shock on TNT who was
questioning him, like, I want you to say, Lebron, I
want you to say it, and you know, he was
kind of like, well, I don't really want to, you know,
it's not really my thing. And then he was like,
come on, say it with the chest and so Lebron
finally was like, listen, I would put my career up

(03:08:05):
against anybody else's and and I agree with him. Listen.
A lot of people find this to be controversial. Do
I like Lebron's game as much as I liked Michael
Jordan's No? Did? Do? I? Is it as appealing to
me as Kobe Bryant's No? There was a certain you know,
trademark attitude that went along with Jordan and Kobe that

(03:08:29):
I that I I don't know, I just I I
just remember enjoying more. It seemed a little bit more authentic.
Lebron James seems a little more sanitized, a little more Disney,
a little more concerned about the way he projects himself
to the public. And that's fine because guess what, he's
a billionaire as a result of it, you know, and

(03:08:49):
he's a billionaire before he finishes his career as a
result of it. So good on him. I mean, he's
he's an incredible marketer. But I do feel like there's
a there's there was there's just a lack of authenticity
a little bit. But do I think he's the greatest
player who's ever played the game of basketball? Yeah, there's
no question in my mind Lebron James wins that title
in terms of my opinion. And it's hotly debated and whatever.

(03:09:13):
But um, secondarily to this conversation, have you ever actually
eaten a goat? I have not eaten a goat? Am
I missing out on something? Here? Tell you what it's delicious?
It seems like it would be a really lean meat.
I don't really know exactly, to be perfectly honest, exactly
what it tastes like, because I remember in high school

(03:09:33):
I went to I had a buddy who is half Pakistanian.
His dad owned a bunch of uh land in Jackson Heights, Queens,
and we went down to this restaurant where they served
us all sorts of food and before you know what,
I'm chonging down on something. I'm like, oh my gosh,
this is amazing. And I've been you know, you put
in some sort of like rap or whatever. I'm like,
what is this, Like what type of meating is I

(03:09:54):
thought it was pork and he goes, oh, it's goat.
It was just like kid, we are can go dude.
It was delicious, really absolutely delicious when it tastes like
chicken or what is it chastes like yeah kind of.
I thought it was like to be lean likely lean.
I thought it was pulled pork, but I just I
couldn't really it was gamier than that. Maybe I don't

(03:10:16):
know either way, like lamb uh yeah, maybe it's close
to the lamp lamb yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah I
like that. Yeah. Yes, Sam, who's eating plenty of goat
over the years cheese which is actually on my tri
tip burger. Yes, it was delicious, delicious as well. Um, no,
you know, goats will eat like anything. They'll eat trash

(03:10:37):
like grasses, track tie whatever. So so if you eat them,
you're getting all of that, getting all those nutrients. Ye.
All right, it is that time for us. Um, I'm
people are running right now, flocking thing. We totally overlooked
goat for our Super Bowl feast that we try to
get some goat immediately. Um, all right, we gotta make

(03:10:58):
our picks. Gonna tell you who's gonna win this game?
Over unders m v P. Keep it right here. This
is Fox Football Sunday, Steve Harman, Rich Armburger, Fox Football Sunday,
once again live from the ti iraq dot Com studios.
We are less than forty five minutes away from the
kickoff of Super Bowl fifty seven between the Eagles and

(03:11:19):
the Chiefs. I want to thank the crew today, going
over time as usual. Iowa Sam on the board, What
a day. I will get to everybody's picks in the
second here Monsia of course, keeping this updated on anything
else happening here on the Super Bowl Sunday, and uh
Ryan out and Mr Eagle himself bow is in. So

(03:11:44):
let's get some picks here. Rich, Let's let's go around
the crew before we get to our picks here. Uh, Sam,
we're gonna start with you. Give us a score and
give us an m v P for Super Bowl fifty seven.
I'm going with the Eagles taken down the Chiefs. Miles

(03:12:04):
Sanders will be my m v P. Interesting, is Monsey there, Mancy,
give us a score, give us an m v P
for Super Bowl. Mont is getting ready. I'll go real
quick because it's gonna be easy. Okay, bow is ready
to go, all decked out in his Eagles geared today.
So both give us a score and give us an

(03:12:26):
m VP. Chiefs by a million rights. Hassan Reddick is
the MVP. Hassan Reddick with a von Miller like he
did dominating defensively for the Broncos back in the day.
All Right, Monsey, give us a score and give us
an MVP. I don't know the score, but it's gonna
be close. It's gonna be really close, like within a

(03:12:49):
field goal. And I'm picking the Chiefs, and I think
the m v P is going to be Patrick Mahomes
going with Mahomes and Chiefs by a field goal. All right, Richie,
we've done plenty of talking on this game. How do
you see it? Give US a score. Give US an
m v P. Okay, uh, I got the Chiefs winning
this one. The under is gonna hit. It's a twenty

(03:13:14):
who twenty four ballgame. Kansas City brings home the Super
Bowl and Patrick Mahomes is your Super Bowl m v P.
Interesting you say that because I picked this game a
week ago for my TV work and I haven't changed.
I also have but in favor of the Philadelphia Eagles.

(03:13:39):
Am My m v P in this game is gonna
be a J. Brown. Okay, I think he's gonna have
one of those big days wide receiver one last year, Coop.
It's gonna happen again this year. Um. One game that
I keep having in the back of my mind though
when I look at this matchup was the year the
Seahawks played the Bronco Remember that Broncos team that sent

(03:14:02):
an all time NFL record for points scored in a season.
Peyton Manning had fifty five touchdown passes. You know, it
was like a super mismatch between you know, one of
the all time greats, Peyton Manning and a very young
Russell Westbrook and Russell Will Russell. Yeah, I'm sorry, I
head Lakers on my mind. Russell Wilson and ex Liaker

(03:14:26):
on my mind, Russell Wilson eight Seattle my to me
because of the Mahomes factor, all this late money's coming
in on the Chiefs. I get it, and I just
hope this is going to be a good game. But
if the Eagles operate at full throttle on both sides

(03:14:50):
of the ball, this could be a pretty one side
of game in favor of the Eagles. I I think,
with the exception of quarterback, tight end and may coach,
I'm trying to figure out where the Chiefs have an
advantage over the Eagles. I'm not sure. I hate to
say it. I mean, obviously, quarterback tight end. You could

(03:15:13):
argue interior defensive line with Chris Jones. You can make
the argument, you probably win that argument. But the depth
of the interior line of the Eagles, I mean, I
get it with Chris Jones. But but I mean you
look at defensive front, offensive line trenches the Eagles. Yeah, yeah,

(03:15:34):
I listen, that advantage is there. I'm with you. I
think the better team is Philadelphia. I think the better
the better, more explosive players, um they live on the
Kansas City Chiefs roster. This should be and then also,
I mean, let's let's put one of the most important
criterias we're leaving out is experience at head coach Andy

(03:15:55):
Reid has been in this situation many times before. Nick
Sirianni is first for a into the unknown here. M hm.
So Jalen Hurts I said this before. If the Eagles
do lose this game, it will not because of Jalen Hurts.
To me, If the Chiefs win this game for the

(03:16:18):
first time ever in his Super Bowl history, Patrick Mahomes
will play to the level that we see in all
these other games, because that I mentioned right at the
top of the show, the lowest passerade he had in
any game of his entire career was in his last
Super Bowl, and even when he was Super Bowl m
v P, he had a subpar passing day. And I

(03:16:41):
don't think he's faced the defense like the Eagles. Everybody
keeps talking about how the Chiefs, you know, for you know, well,
the Eagles defense haven't faced anybody like Mahomes. I'm not
so sure that Mahomes has faced the defense like this.
Seventies sacks, Rich, I mean, they average more than four
sacks a game for an entire season. And you saw
what they did. They knocked out two quarterbacks in that

(03:17:02):
NFC championship game. Yeah yeah, I mean they are a
vicious pass rush. This Philadelphia Eagles team. They they I
mean not all of them, but a lot of these
players who have suck around and been through the rebuild,
they know how fleeting these moments can be. And um,
you know, especially look at a Brandon Graham for example,

(03:17:23):
a guy who's on that defensive line plays at a
tremendous amount of fury and passion. You know, Lane Johnson
on the offensive line. These guys know what it means
to be in a big game like this and against
arguably one of the most potent offenses in the league
at that time as well. You know, talking about the
New England Patriots, Nick Foles had to outduel him that day.

(03:17:45):
Are we gonna see the same from Jalen Hurts? Is
it possible that we're gonna see Jellen Hurts throw the
football around the yard the way that that a backup
quarterback in team was able to and outdule the goat
will find out, ma'am. Alright, So we are counting down
to the big game, but my countdown is this go ahead.

(03:18:08):
We're gonna be off the air here in less than
a minute. Yeah, How long from the time that we
get off the air will it take for you to
have a cold brew in your body? How long? Will it?
Not even a minute? Like? Is it sitting there right now? There?
There is an ice cold chest of beer that's waiting

(03:18:28):
on the counter. And I plan on having a rodeo
as I walk it over to my neighbor's house. And
you're gonna have the chips, have the chips and the
cas and the caseo and the sliders and the sliders.
And by the way, if you want to pull a
prank on your friends, hidden amongst the vegetable offerings on
the charcrudery Bard, maybe maybe mix in with the green peppers.

(03:18:52):
Just one slipper of hallepo just one, just one Ris
great stuff. Okay, let's get ready for us enjoy what
we hope is a memorable Super Bowl, and for all
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