Hartman & Harmon on XFL, New-Look Lakers & Big 10 Hoops

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports rad you go living the
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you hear that voice, ladies and Gena And that's right.
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way tire buying should be. Mike, how are you? I'm dominating?
You know this is gonna be a great experiment in
our social media world because I get blamed on a
lot of Saturdays. I'm out at a soccer field watching

(00:43):
my kid play, or we're getting ready to go to
a movie, and I'll be like, I can't believe you
just said that on Fox Sports Trading. What are you doing?
I'm like, I'm not even working today. It's like, are
you listening to a podcast of something we did during
the week? This it's Hartman and Harmon. Yeah, okay, now, Mike, Mike,
you and I have a long history to get a

(01:04):
long history together. Used to bring in some really good
baked groups for us back in the days when Pat
and I were doing a national shop. Yeah, and I
come in and you guys will be like, yeah, it
starts at fifteen minutes. And then suddenly I'm in for
two hours. And you know when I got paid nothing,
I got paid I paid more by bringing the donuts in.
Whatever actually costs you cost me money and three hours

(01:27):
of my time to drive here. Well we have. It's
always an interesting week, uh, the week after the Super Bowl,
because I know a lot of people just started going
to hibernation. They go into hiding because the NFL season
is finally over. I mean, the bottom line is we
do get extend, you know, the NFL season into mid February,
and by the way down the road, when we get
to an eighteen game schedule and beyond, uh, maybe it

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will take up the entire month of February, but for now,
it is that adjustment period to look around the landscape.
We got the NBA All Star weekend. We're gonna get
into that today. We got Mark Manus down the road.
That seems to be the next major event is March
man My team is actually gonna get to participate this.
When how did you celebrate that Northwestern win against Perdue?

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What was going on there? Started day drinking for the
Super Bowl. I had done my show here on Fox
Sports Radio Bucky Brooks and I signed off. I hung
out with the guys a little bit. We commiserated, and
I said, all right, go find some food, grab some libations,
sat and watched the Northwestern How many times did you
storm the court when you were at Northwestern Atabaska? Never willingly?

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Never willingly? But I was there. Uh well, when I
was there, we weren't very good, but we did have
the n I T team right with Kevin Rankin and
and those guys, and we beat Michigan huge win, Mac
tart and and Gi. Then then macdar Gi uh took
a swing at me. Someone said something thought it was
me comes over the top. Then peacemaker, because we know

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guys have had their issues. Jalen Jowan Howard was actually
the pacemaker in that situation, which is funny given all
these years later where he's at Jalen Rose grabbing him
by the collar, like what are you doing? Man? But
like I was sitting behind the bench, I didn't want
to rush the court. That's not me win the game
you expect to win. We're a pretty good team, not
a great team, but you had a veteran, veteran leadership there.

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And then we get into the uh the n I T.
And if Kevin Rankin actually dunked a ball instead of
a little push shot as a seven footer, they would
have beaten Brian Grant Xavier Musketeers. Look at that. You
know you're Northwestern basketball. We've got very few few dots
and this is a interesting That guy was great. Yeah,
he was a player, and unfortunately he was another in

(03:41):
a long line of big men that had the chronic
foot and ankle things. Got paid a lot of money
by Mark Cuban. They did a lot of money. He
made a lot of money. So you know, we we
have March madness. Obviously my U c l A. Bruins
are very much in the mix. Look, we've been talking
a lot about them. Off air Steve yeh off Air,
Well you and I well I have you no, come on, No,

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here's the thing. I'm so excited to have a legit
coach because Steve Alford was an abomination and he drove
our program into the toilet and mccronin is like a
real coach. I was a big Ben Hallan fan back
in the day. Ben was his own worst enemy. He
made so many enemies behind the scenes. I said, Ben,

(04:24):
he got to calm down, man, You get this. You
can't say people from themselves. What do you do around
the hall trying to get food counsel? Here me crazy
because I was a fan. I'm a huge fan of mccronan.
And so anyway, we got March Maddis down the road.
So we got a lot of things going on with
spring training. Baseball is gonna be coming up. But right

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now all the focuses on one thing and one thing alone,
and that is the launch of the XFL, which is Dave.
Right now, that is the greatest job I've ever well,
I'm looking at a score right now. The Vipers are
leading the Renegades fourteen three. This brings up a much
bigger question, obviously, And because we saw the Alliance of

(05:05):
American Football fail. Uh, then we saw the first start
of the XFL fail. This is the restart of the XFL.
The USFL survived barely. One thing about the USFL's return,
and I was never comfortable with them using the exact
same names of the original USFL teams. There's still some populos,

(05:26):
a copyright and everything else, some lawsuits going down there. Um,
but it didn't start till April, like you know, sort
of a little time to breathe. This is the problem
when you have a league launching the week after the
Super Bowl, you gotta adjust your eyeballs, right, you just
saw the best of the best. I mean, super Bowl
is a great matchup, two great teams, two best teams

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in the NFL were matched up in the Super Bowl,
and you watch that, and then all of a sudden
you got the Vipers and the Renegades, And that's tough.
Is it necessary, Mike, Is it necessary for us to
have off season football? Necessary? No? Will we welcome it.

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We welcome our football overlords. I'm wearing a hat and
support of the referees right now. Well, the referees. The
referees are being tested in this league. I mean, one
of the things I love about these renegade leagues is
you throw the rules out, do what you want. And
there look at the players obviously are trying to catch
the eye of the NFL. They want the big pay day.

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I understand they're always gonna be players available for these leagues.
But for instance, the idea of replay for any kind
of play, which I by the way, I go back
to the original replay before it was taken off the
books and brought back, and I remember at the beginning thinking, well,
how do you decide which place can be replayed and

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what can't? It doesn't make any sense. Done a horrible
job deciding and picking and choosing which goes into the band, right,
And and Belichick for years has said the obvious. I'm
we're not talking about having more challenges. We understand moving
you still have two challenges a half. But what prevents
me from challenging a holding call that cost us a

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touchdown or you know, first down or something like that.
Why can't I not challenge that place? In this league
they're gonna allow the coaches to challenge any play. It
should be all inclusive. But I would say this is
one of the great things of these leagues. And whoever's
behind the scenes, and there are the money people from
the networks, two investors, the Rock and Danny Garcia and

(07:33):
their crew. And because I always want to make sure
she gets enough love, because she's the business person behind
their relationships that space. But she's smart as hell. Yeah, okay.
I was having a conversation about their holdings with friends
over brunch because they've got one of the original Sultan
Straw spots and they spent the last couple of days
at Disneyland, as like, oh and we went to downtown

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Disney we did this. I did you get salt? Was like, well,
we've got one right around the corner, and started talking
about like has that become a bigger brand to go?
Well the rock and is his ex wife and business
partner bought It's like wait, what, like, yeah, that's theirs,
that's in their holdings now and she drives a lot
of that. But he's the face, so he gets all
the credit like he's the genius all the time. I
want to make sure she gets a little an interview

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with her. I mean, she has a very interesting background,
very athletics. She was in the body building for a
while and everything else. But she talked about the idea
of essentially buying this league, but got very emotional. By now,
I didn't know she was an emotional thing, and I
just throw all my money away or the idea that
she is in a position to make something happen with XFL,

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that they have the hundreds of millions of dollars billion dollars,
and that generally before Black Adam, they could call anybody
with a project and say, okay, I can get you
on board. Yeah, I'll invest with you. My love of
these leagues is that they get to be the guinea
pigs for us. Right, doesn't work? Do these challenge whatever

(08:55):
you want? How does how does that get officiated? How
does how did the coaches do it? They get to
be the guinea pigs and then it goes back to
the competition committees or whatever else, and they can kick
it around and there's always gonna be the powers that
be that are against whatever. But maybe you finally get
that ground swell and sport kind of like the Hall
of Fame voting or whatever. Eventually you get some of
these new fangled Hey, I got a new stet that

(09:16):
I created. That's gonna get my guy in same thing, Mike,
you know me in the Hall of That's why I
needled you. I I okay, all right, I'm not gonna
board the audience out there, but I'm gonna bring up
one name and tell you about how this how somebody
gets in the Hall of Fame. Oh, I thought we
could tease that ahead for later, don't You don't have
to tell that story, because I mean, your blood pressure

(09:37):
just rose and mentally your face got really read as
soon as I said Hall of Fame vote by the way. Okay,
So that's the roles of fame. And since my my
world sort of revolves around these halls of fame and
everything else. For instance, very quietly today the International Tennis
Hall of Fame announced its new inductees, and so they

(09:58):
had seven players that were nominated and none none of
them got in. They also have a contributors category, and
then they have a wheelchair tennis category. Today it was
announced the only inductees in the class of three are
the two wheelchair inductees into their Hall of Fame. Now

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I give the Hall of Fame credit for acknowledging, but
these are not people obviously they played in Wimbledon or
you know, stuff like this, and it's sort of like,
what do you want to be as a Hall of Fame?
Like what are you what are you looking for? All right?
So on the other side, because the Basketball Hall of
Fame also announced it's finals and I'm gonna I'm gonna

(10:40):
challenge you on a couple of these. I'm gonna challenge
you and then will morph into what's happening with the
Baseball Hall of Fame and more profoundly, the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Exactly where do you draw the line
when you're acknowledging the immortals, those that will live forever

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Com studios. Alright, so just update you know a lot

(12:06):
of people are hanging on for the latest the fell news.
Vipers maintaining their fourteen to three lead over the Renegades
inside five minutes ago in the first half there that
game being played in Arlington, Texas. Vipers had a big
fourth down stop to maintain that fourteen three lead. I
got highlights on blogs and if you can't get enough

(12:30):
later on today Guardians and Roughnecks. Now we're talking that one.
I think has a little more distribution on it from
a nationwide perspective. You don't add the package with the
package of the thing with the guy in the place. Yeah,
this is something. It's like a network plus minus plus
minus plus minus one of those. I'm not gonna lie.
I'm gonna be watching w w E Elimination Chamber instead.

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I don't blame you for that. All right, Let's let's
get this Hall of Fame thing out of the way.
So I mentioned that the International Tennis Hall of Fame
inducted to wheelchair athletes today which is fine. It's the
problem is is that these are not names that are
recognizable to everybody out there, and and that's sort of
part of the knock on the Baseball Hall of Fame.
I mean, let's face it, Scott Rowland and Fred McGriff

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are not exactly a listers heading your let's go to
Cooper's Town and hang out. You had a lot of
a listeners on the list, but apparently they're ineligible because
they use performance enhancing drugs, were alleged to have alleged
Yeah you could have, you know, but I mean obviously
guys like Manny Ramirez and Alex Rodriguez they got bust.

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They got busted, and then others guilt by association. But
we've seen how incongruous that whole process has been, right,
because there's a lot of guys that You've been around
the game a long time. I've been in this radio
chair and have talked to a lot of people for
a long time. One guy wrote a book about it
and implicated all sorts of guys. And yet you can

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go to Cooper's Down and see busts and plaques and
photos and all this memorabilia surrounding a number of guys who,
let's just say, beyond a reasonable doubt when it comes
to it in terms of alleged we like, we're there
are three members of the Baseball Hall of Fame that
we know for sure did. They're in the Hall of Fame,

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and there there's not a doubt. But even in the
grand scheme of thing, the thing that has always bothered
me from the baseball side, We'll get into the basketball
and Pro football Hall of famely. A second is they
always want to grab a few guys and just said
I know categorically this guy didn't. It's like, were you
with him? Seven? It's like, I'm not casting expersions about

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anybody individually, but whenever anybody says that I know for sure,
it's like, you have no idea. You have no idea.
Like this last year with with Aaron Judge's home run chase.
He's a big guy, he was locked in. He had
a great year. I've seen enough and I've been around
enough to know we at least have to have the
questions in our mind. You may not say it out loud,

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and I hope to god it was the greatest clean
right because everyone wanted to call him the clean guys
like but again it's the presumption you like him, so
he gets the past. There's no doubt about that. Look.
And I was covering a lot of the game. I
mean I was in that clubhouse many times with Barry
Bonds and the Roger Clemens, and they weren't the most
pleasant individuals. Uh. Neither were guys like Eddie Murray and

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Steve Carlton. I go back to the other days. They
were not pleasant people. Ok yeah, another unpleasant individual. Unpleasant
individual probably based on where we're at in the voting
and everything should be a hall of fame. Well he's
gone now, that was how it's done. He's done right now,
he's got to go to the jury of his beers. Okay,
So these hall of Fames I look at before I

(15:44):
even get started in here. I've said this many times.
Let me repeat one more time. If you give me
a name and asked me, is this a Hall of Famer?
And I have to think about it. Not a hall
of famer. Hall of famers are automatics, like you know
baseball hitchers, Greg Maddox Hall of Fame, patro Martinez Hall
of Fame, Clayton Kershaw Hall of Fame, Justin Verlander Hall

(16:06):
of Fame. Mike Mussina, No, no, not a Hall of Famer.
You gotta dominate. I mean, you're seeing he's in the
Hall of Fame. But what I have put Don Sutton
the Hall of Fame because he won three games? No,
Phil Niekron. Back in the day, right, we had those
numbers for immortality Dale Murphy, and I thought that was
always going to be the thing. Garvey, Steve Garvey was

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a Hall of Fame player. There is no doubt. In
his era, he was absolutely one of the biggest stars
of baseball. He was had his number retired immediately by
the part, but he was talked about as the future
Hall of Famer. But then obviously saber metrics came in
and they're like, oh, we'll look at the on base percentage.
I'm like, none of that mattered. Then he had six years,

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he won four Gold Gloves. Look at his numbers in
the postseason, look at what he did. He was a star.
Scott Rowland was never a star. There's proud of themselves
to get Scott roll in the Hall of Fame. You know,
votes he got the first year He's elid. So after
five years of being retired. These guys gave him ten percent,
then all of a sudden they became enamored. But the

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fact that look at his war, what does that have
to do with it any more? Gold Gloves didn't have
another hit. No, I wouldn't have another clubs away in
the field. He was only in the top ten voting
for m VP once once. And look, it's not a
Hall of Fame. My guy is the poster child and
has been, although Rolling may eclipse him, right, because I'm

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a big Harold Baines guy and I've been ribbed about
it for years. Sadly, they moved up the induction that
year and I had a trip planned to so they
screwed me the year I was supposed to be able
to go see Baynes inducted. They moved the Hall of
Fame and Shriman up, so I still have to make
my pilgrimage. But he's always been the guy that he
didn't get to four hundred home runs, came short of

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three thousand hits by a hundred thirty four, all of
those automatic numbers. They have him the excuse use of
the strike here, remember ninety four season, like you know,
he lost all those years. Look again, if Harrol Bade's
a Hall of Fame, then now Oliver should be in
the Hall of Fame. He had hits and he actually
had a three career patty now and we could sell
more of those cool pillbox hats exactly back of the day.

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So this is the problem of these halls of fame. Now,
the Basketball Hall of Fame announced its finalist. All right, Now,
the five names that really stand out as obvious where
Pal Gasol, Dirk Novitsky, Tony Parker, Greg Popovich, and Dwayne
Wade right, and those will probably be your class. The
other three finalist Jeane Katie you would know if you

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watch college basketball in his many years. I got to
know Jeane Katie a little bit during my time at Northwestern.
We used to cross pads all the time. But you
are really challenged if you know the names of either
Jeene Bess or David Hickson. Now, I'll be honest with you,
I know a lot of crap, a lot of crap.
I know you have long I never ever ever heard

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of these two individuals. David Hickson apparently was the coach
at Amherst College for forty two years, and Gene Bess,
who coached at Three Rivers Community College for fifty years.
Is the winningest coach of all times junior college in
Poplar Bluff, Missouri. Right, and that's a junior college sixteen

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okaying percentage. All right, here's what I don't understand about
the basketball Hall of Fame. Then we'll get to the
pro football Hall of Fame. Alright. So in basketball, there
is actually a women's basketball Hall of Fame. There is
a is it FIFA, There's a there's an International Basketball
Hall of Fame, separator of the n so they have

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a feeble Hall of Fame. There is a college basketball
Hall of Fame, separate of the name Smith Hall of Fame.
You know what there's not and never has been, is
an NBA Hall of Fame. There is no NBA hall.
As an opportunity to build a nice shrine in New
York City. Here, here's what I would do. This is
what I would do. And by the way, I like
what NASCAR did, Like they limited the class to a

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certain number of people, and then when it was obvious
that we need to reduce the number again, we reduced
the number. I've said this about an NBA Hall of Fame.
These would be my first ten inductees at least it's
a couple of years ago. Wait, we're doing a list.
Hold on, I gotta get a pen, all right, So
my first ten inductees, and this might be updated, but

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at the time, let's say this was five years ago.
These are my ten names for the inaugural class of
the NBA Hall of Fame. Well, because I have to
tweet this out so people can get mad at me
for something you list made. All right, So two pioneers
from the beginning have to be recognized, and that's George
Mike and Bob Couzy. So to me, they're both in

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the Hall of Fame. Next two guys are Bill Russell
and Will chamber It. The next two guys are Jerry
West and Oscar Robertson. Are you marching them in like
the animals on the arc? Is that what I'm going
to do? Then you have Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Larry Bird,
Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan's. Those would be my first

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ten inductees into the NBA Hall of Fame. Jordan's, Magic,
Larry Bird, Cap, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Chamberlain, Russell, Kuzy, Mike,
and those are my first hin and then from that
point on, I would have five inductees every year, so
you know, and then you'd have the retirement requirements five

(21:42):
years and everything else. So like guys like el Jian
Baylor and obviously Kobe Bryant, and you know, they would
be in the next five guys like that. But the
NBA doesn't have a Hall of Fame. They're lumped in.
So somehow you could have Dirt Navitsky in the same
class with David xon Um and no disrespect to the women.

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But you know, Jennifer Ozzy a z A z z i,
she played at Stanford, I don't know her name, Yeah,
Azzy to be in the same class with Dwayne Wade
Women's Basketball Hall of Fame two thousand nine. Right, She's
already in the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame. So the

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NBA is the only level of basketball that doesn't actually
have its own Hall of Fame. Seems like there's a
I mean, let's start over again. The reason, by the way,
this happened, Mike, is that they started the Basketball Hall
of Fame too soon. They actually started in nineteen fifty nine.

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The NBA was only an existence for ten years, so
when they went in duck let's say George Mike and
he was actually in ducked as a college player, even
though he had already tired from the NBAH. Anyway, I
gotta start somewhere, and now here's the opportunity. Look, we're
changing everything else, Steve. I don't know if you know this.
You're u c l A. Bruins are gonna be in
the Big ten. So anything can change. Anything's possible. And

(23:10):
there's a lot of money here that can be made
of all the patches, all the shirt you would wear
with Magic Johnson, and you and I are in the
same league coming out. I'm gonna get to this. This
is that's also. But on the other side, we also
got to get to uh a hall of Fame that
suddenly is creeping up on the basketball Hall of Fame
for over indulgence in labeling people as Hall of famers. Yeah,

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I've got a song to go with it too. But
first let's find out what is trending right now. Is
she really here on a Saturday? I believe so, I thought,
And I'm like, what I did I miss a day
here because I see her every Sunday, but not on Saturday.
I thought it was Sunday as well. When I walked in,
Ryan and I owe Sam are here, and I started

(23:54):
doing my first update, and I was like thinking it
was Sunday, and I was like, oh no, that's Saturday
right now. You know, I can hours there's gonna be
a holy call that we'll set the world on fire. Well,
the other thing is she's she always sees me literally
in the same shirt and hat every single Sunday because
I I am very much a man. I have it.

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But I had to change it up today because after
I have a dinner, my my daughter student Loyalla Merriman,
and her housemates are having a dinner with the parents. Yeah,
so that's gonna be a disaster. I had this list
on the radio earlier. Remember this, I want to know
what you think. I'm divorced from her mother and the

(24:36):
other eight people I've never met before. So who's gonna
take over this table? Girls? Do you know about the
story at George? Mike and I am going to stand
back and let the evening playoff. Steve's credit card? Yes, yeah,
oh yeah, I was told about that. I said, By
the way, how's this dinner working? Who's paid for? Oh?
You're doing credit card roulette. Yeah, Steve, you just eat

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and drink. Yeah, you just eat and drink and let
the others chatted up and you just enjoyed the night. Exactly, exactly, Fellas.
We've got to college basketball games going on right now,
a couple already in the books, but the ones that
we got going on. Number nine Baylor has lead over
not over number five Kansas twenty to fifteen about halfway

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through the first half, and number sixteen Nixavier has a
ten point lead over to Paul sixteen is a score
also ten minutes to go in the first half, but
number six Texas and Oklahoma went to overtime. Oklahoma hit
a game time three pointer as the game ended in regulation,
but the long Horns came out on top. Eight five
to eighty three was the final score. Kentucky with the

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upset open Number ten Tennessee sixty six to fifty four.
We've also had victories from number seven Virginia, number twelve,
Kansas State, number fourteen Indiana who survived against Illinois, number fifteen, Miami,
number twenty Yukon, and number twenty two TC. You all
had victory so far in today's college basketball games. A
little NBA news. I love Joanna Santa to coomple. I

(26:06):
love him so much. He seems like such a funny guy.
He's on the red carpet at the All Star weekend
in Salt Lake City. He's wearing a cream colored coat
with like a beige turtle nuke and he was asked,
tell us about your fit. So he looks at himself,
He's like, I got the coat and the turtlenike for free,
my Nike shoes, free, my bag, free my clipboard. Coach
gave it to me for free. My watching my bracelet

(26:27):
our fake. I loved everything he is. He's our hero
for sure. I mean, that is the way we operate.
I mean, are you kidding me? And then, of course
you have John Morant sporting thirty thou dollars in diamonds
in his mouth at the same weekend. Yeah, but you
could ask him. I bet you didn't pay for me either.
Maybe you're right, maybe you are right, but your honest.

(26:48):
I love my watching bracelet our fake. That's freaking awesome.
Back to you guys, all right, thank you, thank you much.
By the way, we got a lot out of the NBA.
We gotta get to during the course show today because
there's there's a lot of things. Arlie Nicea on interview
done with Adam Silver, the Commissioner, where he was spinning
on everything. He is a well versed attorney, but he
was really spinning. We'll get to that in a moment.

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I've gotta finish off this conversation though. By the way,
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talking a little bit about Halls of Fame. The Pro
Football Hall of Fame has just elected its largest class

(27:34):
since the very first class in nineteen six three. This
is a nine member class, and get used to it,
because that's what's gonna happen year after year after year
under the current configuration of the Hall of Fame where
they are allowed to nominate up the three seniors candidates. Now,
as far as those seniors candidates were concerned, there was

(27:56):
one that really stood out to me because history was
made this year with the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
I'm speaking of Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Ken Riley. Ken Riley
became the first player to be elected to the Pro
Football Hall of Fame without ever being named to a

(28:18):
Pro Bowl since the Pro Bowl began in ninetift so
he he was never named in fifteen years to even
a single Pro Bowl. And of course the argument was
he's fifth all time and interceptions. There's a reason why
because the other corner on that Bengals team was an
eight time Pro bowler named Lamar Parrish, who is a

(28:41):
legitimate Hall of Fame candidate, has been overlooked over the
years now. He had some bad blood with the Bengals organization,
which eventually they did because he wasn't getting paid. But
the reason that Ken Riley had so many interceptions is
that they were throwing the ball away from Lamar Parish.
The same thing I remember when Dick Lebo, longtime respected

(29:03):
defense corener, got in the Hall of Fame as a
corner and they sided all his interceptions the first half
of his career at Night Train Lane the other halfy
at Lembarney, both legit Hall of famers. That's why you
have a lot of interceptions. Beneficiary, you're the benefit a
corner interceptions are insanely deceptive stat if they're thrown away

(29:24):
from the guy on the other side, which is exactly
the case with Ken Riley. That's why Lamar Parrish was
named eight Pro Bowls and and Ken Riley was never
named to a single Pro Bowl. But he is now
the Hall of Fame. But you go through it and
you look at the careers because you conjunctaposed that with
Darrell Revis right now on of interceptions they didn't throw
the ball is way exactly. I mean, you can get

(29:48):
the great corners like what's legit and engage in a career.
I wouldn't even use Pro Bowls because he had so
many of these alternate Pro Bowler Tyler Hutley two touchstoffs,
pro boloy. Okay, So, by the way, can I tell
you a very quick story. Pretty funny things were the

(30:08):
late great Derrick Thomas, so Mike, you know, for years,
like folks should just go back in YouTube video clips
of him, unbelieable, unbelievable players that we call it legit
Hall of Fame and tragic out was like um Derrick Thomas,
you know, for twenty plus years, I was part of
this Toyota Pro Celebrity Race AD and Lung I drove
in a couple of times, but I really I am

(30:29):
cee the event for over twenty years, called the Race
for ESPN, doing some of stuff over the years. So
one year we had Derrick Thomas in the race and
he was really gray, very engaging everything else. Everyone loved him.
So we had sort of a roast afterwards that I
would m see this roast, which you know, you're taking
your life into your hands with roasting, you know, a

(30:50):
guy like Derrick Thomas. So we had we had these
gag gifts. So I brought out this bag as the
gift for Derrick Thomas and he opened the bag and
there's a bowling ball. He goes, what's this? And I said,
I think they misunderstood. I told him you were a
nine time pro bowler and they got you a bowling ball.

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He was almost bowling balls aren't cheap. But so we've
had Dion Sanders now come out and say publicly, you
have ruined the Hall of Fame. On part of I
even saw some people in Pro Football Talk chime in
that maybe we should have like different layers, two levels

(31:38):
to the Pro Football Hall of Fame Like like you say,
all right, Tom Brady is a Hall of Famer, like
that's the upper echealon. But when you look at you know,
I mean, with all due respect to Kurt Warner, he's
not Tom Brady. He has an amazing story. I don't
have a problem with him in the Pro Football of Fame.
And then there's the Riley level or a Dick la

(31:59):
Bowl level. This is what happens to these Halls of Fame.
You start opening the doors to all these people and
then all of a sudden you can come up with
a dozen other players with similar credentials trying to make
an argument saying, well, if this person is in the
Hall of Fame, then this person should be in the
Hall of Fame. Yeah. I've never took it to be
this sacred place right since I was a kid. It's

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it's it's cool, it's a marketing. There's a reverence to it.
But to that point, it's a museum. And how do
you get people to come to your museum. Go and
grab guys that are from places that don't see a
lot of Hall of famers walking in. So there you
go from Cincinnati boom and eventually maybe they get a bunch.

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By the way, only the second Bengal, Ken Anderson has
a better argument than Ken Riley had passing four times.
He he made a couple of Pro bowls, he won
an m v P Award lad the Bengals. To me,
he was a better choice as a second Bengal after
Anthony Munios. But you're in Ohio, you get folks to
drive in for the day celebrates. What are your guys

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make a lot of hoopla about it, And that's in
the marketing and sales. Like I know, a couple of
guys in the room was talking about our our buddy,
Jason Cole. We gave him some ribbing for the size
of the class, and he goes, I had to make
some concessions, so Zach Thomas got in, which I don't
think it's true, but that's that's how he kind of well,
what was the argument exact? Thomas actually had legit stats.

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But he's a guy should have been in already, is
the point. But like, because they're still fights about guys
like that in terms of whether he should be in
the Hall of Fame and that, and that was the
point Coals making. It was like some of the arguments
of Now I gotta ask. Yeah, so the second consecutive
year Devin Hester was passed over. How you feel about that?

(33:49):
I think if we're gonna always make the claim that
special team is the third of the game, how do
you not have the greatest returner in now you could
and and Cole I we talked about this, argued, well,
he never played another position when he did try to
be a wide receiver, blah bla blah. I'm like they
tried to make him a wide receiver in Chicago, where
wide receivers go to die, which is a whole problem
coming in with the exact draft class, whatever and whatever

(34:10):
they do with justin fields at all. But for Devin Hester,
the electrifying part of the game, how great he was
at that job. If we're gonna talk about specialties, I
don't know. I don't understand how he gets kept out.
But we also make that arguments for kickers, putters or whatever. Well,
I mean, do you think Matthew Slater with his ten
Pro Bowls? I means tasker pretty much went by the wayside.

(34:33):
He had seven cats, But here you got matt he
ten Pro Bowls. How do you look that away? And
instrumental on a number. Was a big fan of guy.
You know, Ray Guy is the only pure punter in
the hall. Taken him as long as candidate. That's asinine. Alright, um,

(34:54):
all right, let's let's let's have an old man like
as much as they like it. They're they're just guys
like that that just stand out. It's how do we
not let him in? What are we arguing about? Speaking
of Hall of famers? Uh, there's a potential Hall of
Fame quarterback went out of potential, a sure future Hall
of Fame quarterback. I don't know if he's still in
the dark, but he has to make a decision. We
got the latest on these NFL qbs, Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson,

(35:19):
Derek Carr. What will their final destination be? We'll tell you.
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It still is with the XFL. But I guess right.
We're talking sports across the board today on a weekend

(36:03):
of the NBA All Star Game. We'll get into some
big NBA news coming up in the next hour. Also
later on Adam Kaplan, our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider
will join us. But let's get a jump start on
some of the things. We'll be talking with Adam about Mike.
And it really comes down these three quarterbacks right out
of the box, and it starts with Aaron Rodgers. Who

(36:24):
is Is he still in the dark? What's what's the
update there? If you believe his rant when he was
on McAfee show, he hadn't gone in yet. He hasn't
done so he would just be going in this weekend
if the timeline's right, because I mean, is he we
don't know his contract? I'm not an insider because that
was one of his big points, like, well he would
have to shoot my inner circle knows a damn day.

(36:44):
Well his contract. We know this. If he's gonna play
with the Packers next year, they own fifty one million.
That's what we do know. Now, can you rework a
deal to get a deal done elsewhere, is that something
he wants to get done. He's intimated that he would
mike to three years ago, everyone thought, you know, I mean,
I was sitting here with several people making the argument

(37:05):
that Aaron Rodgers had played his last game of the Packers,
and I'm like, why would you say that? He's under contract.
They're not gonna let him go, They're not going to
get rid of him for under his market value. He's
not going anywhere. And for one of the few times
I was actually right now, but I still don't think
he is. But here's here's the thing about the current situation.

(37:26):
The Aaron Rodgers that we saw in two is not
the Aaron Rodgers we saw in twenty one. I know
the team was lesser, he didn't have Davonte Adams, I
get all that, but I'm just eyeball tests. He was
missing on throws that he normally hit. He was late
on throws, the velocity wasn't there. There's a reason why

(37:47):
across the board his stats are down considerably, and it
wasn't just because he had inexperience at the wide receiver position.
He is in decline, just like Peyton Manning was Brett
Farve was, and yes, even Tom Brady was in the
final season. So the idea of mortgaging your future on
a already thirty nine year old Aaron Rodgers, beware, you

(38:09):
don't know what you're gonna get. And Aaron Rodgers has
had his way with Matt Lafleur in terms of the
kind of offense they want to run. Is he gonna
be in a similar secituation They're just gonna hand on
the ball like Tom Brady got handed the ball in Tampa,
saying pretty much doing what you want to do, because
if you're not going to allow him to do that,
you could be running into trouble. And then the bigger

(38:30):
question to me is this. We know that Tom Brady
is committed to one thing and one thing alone throughout
his career, and that's winning. He sacrificed salary for it.
He was never the highest paid quarterback in the NFL.
Every time I hear Aaron Rodgers open his mouth, he's
talking about his own accolades, four time m VP and
everything else, and we hear the stories out of the

(38:52):
locker room. What are you buying with Aaron Rodgers? Is
he gonna be the leader of your team from day one?
Or is he just about Aaron gun finishing out his
run like he's gonna be forty years old to think
that anybody? Mean that was suddenly we're gonna have this
massive class. Guys. You forgot Drew Brees arm falling off,

(39:12):
But do you know what they adjusted to it? Right?
I mean he could barely the offense. But looking at
the Packers, you had multiple times in the playoffs where
Rogers had the opportunity to be the leader, to be
the guy to say, hey, la, floor, this is the
way this has to go. What did he do? Okay,
we'll kick the field goal and give the ball back
to Tom Brady. Dumb? Was that decision? Said it? Then?

(39:33):
Still call it out now for lack of leadership, lack
of intestinal fortitude to steal from Guerrillaman soon so you know,
we will get into a lot of this with Adam
Captain later and then you have guy like Lamar Jackson
or again you have to give the Ravens credit. They
recognized what he did well and then we put him
in a position to succeed. Are you gonna root your

(39:54):
offense to fit Lamar Jackson's skill set? Because why else
would you get him. You're not gonna get Lamar Jackson
to be a pocket passer. You gotta allow him to
do what he does best. This is a problem a
lot of NFL teams have. Well, it's funny and what
we can get deeper into it is there's things I
wouldn't allow. I'm not letting anybody that's in the front
office currently. I want a consultant to come in and

(40:15):
draft wide receivers for Baltimore. I don't want Chris Ballard
and drafting a quarterback in Indianapolis. You can build the
rest of the squad. Someone else is picking that position
because you obviously can't do it right for Lamar Jackson.
Now you gotta wonder about injuries. He's missed five games
two years in a row. All Right, We'll have more
NFL later on, but we get to the NBA and
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So we had the XFL going on today. Let me
see if I get an update the Yeah, so the
updated scoring. The game, much anticipated matchup between the Pipers
and the Renegades. Renegades are rallying in the second half.
We got five minutes to go on the third quarter,
Vipers clinging to a fourteen to twelve lead over the Renegades.

(41:25):
College buckets. We got Baylor beating the hell out of
Kansas on their home How how much longer are they
gonna keep Kansas on the one line? Seed? I mean,
I don't get it. I mean they have been blown
out of several games. I get it. So Kansas defending
champions Bill self is one of my favorite interviews I
ever had. About a month after they won the national championship,

(41:45):
that miracle against Memphis. You know, Chalmers hits the three
to send an overtime. We get Bill self on the
show here on Fox Sports Radio and I asked him,
I said, coach, have you gone back and watched the game?
He goes the Champion Chip game. I go, yeah, have
you you know, watched it since you won, He goes,
I watched it every day. I've watched it every single day.

(42:09):
You know why, because it's always a good ending. He
was good. It was because my wife's annoyed a little
bit after a while. But no, I have literally watched
that game every single day since it happened. Well, you
know the mantra we live by in our house, My
my daughters and I go one to know today. I mean,
we've stolen it from Pat Fitzgerald. I'm sure a million

(42:31):
other people will take credit for it, but that's it.
The end of the day, I laid my head down.
Did I win? In this case? He's always want to know,
even if the rest of the day it was an
abject failure, disaster, decommitments, failed meetings, whatever, he got that win.
He he just says, every time I watched that game
and ends great verification and validation, validation something that is

(42:56):
in the distant past. That's okay. College basketball, It's amazing
when you think about it. Right, If you look at
let's say the last ten years, the All American teams,
you know, first, second, third team AP All American teams,
you will literally see eighty percent of the names you've
never heard of. If you're an NBA fan only, I

(43:17):
mean seriously, you will look at these all American teams
like whatever happened to these guys? And yet despite the
fact that we lack star paper, I mean, look at
the most outstanding player since Anthony Davis is one and
done in Kentucky. Look at the list of most outstanding
player of the Final four and it's literally who's that?

(43:39):
Not a who's who a basketball just anonymous names. And
yet despite the fact that we have gotten to the
point with so many players opting out early and not
really establishing any kind of legacy at the college level,
it hasn't hurt the n c A Basketball tournament at all.
He has had a fantastic career. Look at him, Look

(44:00):
at these names. I mean there he was a guest
of the show after they won. So so you have
all these guys you never hear from again that for
a couple of weeks. We're into, right, we're into these
guys college basketball every year. And then look at me
at u c l A couple of years ago. Johnny
Dousing carries U c l A from the first four

(44:21):
to the final four. What's Johnny do say? Where you
end up exactly. So the bottom line is is that
the players and even the coaches, because the coaches are
the stars in college basketball and they have been for years. Um,
it doesn't matter because the n c A Basketball tournament

(44:42):
is so unique in its structure. And you know as
well as I do, Mike nine, nine point nine of
the people filling out of bracket cannot name a single
player that's actually in the tournament when they get started.
And that's okay, that's okay, And it's okay because their
alumni basis in their respective towns care they sell out. Right.

(45:06):
We got Iowa Sam behind the desk. He could give
me everybody on every roster on Iowa school right right.
That that's that's the feed, right, that's the hometown guy.
And you can do that for every team nationwide. Come
on in for the party, Come on in for the party.
You're invited for those three and a half weeks. So, um,

(45:27):
I was I work at an l A station TV
station here for years and one of our news anchors,
female news anchor, she got everyone's talking about brackets and
she goes, I want to felt one of those brackets.
I mean she literally knows zero zero. So much so
that when she got her bracket right, She's looking at
the bracket and she goes, where is ball Street? I go, no,

(45:50):
you see uh in this st period is not street,
It's state. And guess what she had Philadelphia roots. She
picked Villanova to win it all. I had North Carolina
winning it all. Villanova played North Carolina in the championship
game in Villanova won. She won the bracket. Ah pick

(46:11):
Coastal Carolina because you like the character the chanton clear
going out of the old robin hood. But as as
unbreakable as college basketball is in terms of the n
c Basketball Tournament, to me, the NBA has problems they
need to address. And the biggest problem with the n

(46:33):
b A as we head into this All Star weekend
is load management. And I saw the commissioner, Adam Silver
asked a direct question about how he was gonna handle
star players, the players that people pay money to see

(46:55):
sitting out games without some kind of legitimate injury. How
are you going to handle this? And Adam Silver is
a clever attorney, and he knows how to dance, and
he did his all time dance on this one. At
one point he says, this is something we have a

(47:16):
concern with and something we're looking into. Cliche cliche, cliche,
And then when trying to offer an answer, he countered with,
but we're also concerned about the health and well being
of our players. Kawhi Leonard is the face of load management.
He has set out what thirty games this year? Is

(47:37):
he hurt? Does he have some kind of injury that
prevents him from playing all these games? How about this
stat last year of the top twenty nine scores in
the NBA MIC based on points per game, top twenty
nine in the NBA, it's an eighty two game season.

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Five played as many as seventy games. I'm not shocked
at all. Five played as many as seventy. No one
came close to eighty. Five played as many as seventy.
Twenty four the top twenty nine scores played less than
seventy games. So I've invested a lot of money in tickets.
These tickets are not cheap. They don't give them away.

(48:19):
I don't care what are Renier walking into and you're
there most likely to see your hometown star or the
star of the opposing team. They're healthy, but they need
to sit one out. Jordan number miss games look it up.
We always want to do the old rub some dirt
on it. My guy in my day he would have played.

(48:42):
Am I a fan of it? No? But I understand, well,
how do you correct this? How do you how well?
We were talking about what's the degree of how how
upset strained whatever a guy's gotta be, because now you
add mental health to it all, because that's a whole
other part to this that you can ever tell a
guy how he's supposed to feel, woman, or your kid

(49:03):
or whoever else. Now, Adam Silver did suggest one thing,
and I thought this was interesting. You might not know this,
but up until nineteen seventies season, the league leaders in
points and was based on the actual total. It was
an average per game. He suggested that we go back
to that. So in order to win the scoring title,

(49:25):
it's not who has the most points per game, it's
actually who scored the most points in the season. Now,
where where it can get interesting to me like that,
that's that's all find assists on a grand scale. Does
anybody you might have You might have bonuses attached to wow,
But that's that's that's where I was going through with contracts,
because they're all going to the Hall of Fame. We

(49:46):
just talked about that. But the idea being that the
more things that are tied to contracts, like the Assinine
idea of hey, you were voted to first team All NBA,
but if finished second team, I don't get any of them,
like my contract that I can negotiate. I lose thirty
million dollars because I didn't do this because two writers

(50:08):
didn't like me, because I had to leave town or
had to get extra treatment after a game, so I
skipped the interview. Well, but by the way, those All
NBA teams tie into whether you qualify for the What
I mean like that to me is makes no sense.
But you know what, like a bunch of dopes, they
collectively bargain that. See that's one So like I hate that. Well,

(50:29):
you you bargained for it. There you go, you reap
what you soul. Yeah. One of the things I'm not
in favor of is like they were talking about, you
would only be eligible for the All NBA teams if
you played a certain number of games. I don't like
that idea because I have a legitimate injury. Like the
year Bill Walton was named the m v P way
back in night he missed twenty four games because of

(50:50):
a legit imagery, but he was so dominant when he played.
He was the league's most But it's like Joel Embiide
right right, and NICOLEA. Yokich has been amazing, but you
start getting an m v P voting and whatever. You
look at what himbiid was doing on the on the court.
How do you dismiss what he was doing on the court.
And I'm fine with what I mean. Yokich is a

(51:11):
walking triple double. He's he's an amazing player. But we
look at guys and because we've become so accustomed to
all right, they're just missing games. When you actually miss
for a legitimate injury, it's not we don't distinguish between
the two. It doesn't seem anymore. We just look at
the games play. It's like it took time off. And
with Kawhi Leonard, like that's a whole other other world.

(51:31):
Like I've always been okay with it. You know, think
of Johnny in section three oh five, And I know
Kobe Bryant addressed that. Jordan talked about it the old
Hey and baseball players. I know that kid may have
never seen me and they never get a chance, I
rectify it and reconcile it in my head of in
the at the end of the day, you paid for
a ticket for the laundry that that is on the court,

(51:54):
and sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. In terms of players,
think about what happens to the people on that uh. Second,
the back to back home games where Lebron was going
for the scoring record, a lot of people looking at
thirty six points he needed write a thirty and you
looked and you're looking at the second game against the Bucks. Hey,
Kareem's original team story Lebron there, he's the storyline guy Lebron.

(52:23):
And then that game against oz okay see, and so
he got it and then he didn't play the final
four minutes and they lost. And guess what the average
ticket price of the Milwaukee and wastellars a ticket and
he did not play. Not only did he not break
the record in that game, he did not play. That's
a point of where what the market will bear, right

(52:45):
if you had original tickets. Yeah, by the way, some
of those tickets were going as cheap as eighties six dollars.
But it goes back to the secondary market, right, if
you're buying in on the secondary market. That's the buyer
beware situation. Now, if you're mad because your season ticket older,
maybe you sit in the lower bowl and you put
out a heavy price and for whatever reason you can't

(53:05):
make a game that's gonna happen. But if if you're
paying that kind of freight, I understand your vexation. If
you're the I go to one or two games a year,
I'm sorry. I don't. I don't feel as bad for you.
And it's not because I get a bunch of free stuff.
I don't. I pay for whatever. I go to a game,
and I'll pay whatever the market will bear. And I've

(53:26):
been on that side of it. I went to a
lot of games Kobe's final year. I didn't see Kobe
play once. I saw him in a suit twice, and
otherwise he wasn't in the building. So that's life at
the moment. You just gotta chuck and go, Well, my
luck's just not working. It's not the stars are not
aligning for me to see one of these final games.

(53:46):
But you gotta get past it, right, Mike. My uncle
used to complain when we'd go to White Sox games
as kids like well, they should let me have priority
for playoff tickets right up. It's like they don't know
you you come to five games a year, or you're
coming on tickets we got because we had perfect attendance
or straight a's. That was one of the market marketing
employees the White Sox always had, like, but you're you're

(54:08):
not buying season tickets. They've got no investment from you
in them. So for that one game, I don't worry
about it. I kind of feel the same way with
Johnny in the three level. It's like, I'm sorry it
didn't work out, but you bought on the secondary market.
Sometimes you gotta learn tough lessons at wll and Dome
if you don't like to take um the When the

(54:30):
pandemic hit, the very first game that was canceled, when
the NBA shut down, I had a pair of tickets
Lakers are hosting Houston. I would dig deep into my
pocket pair of tickets underneath the baskets for two tickets.
They held my money for four months. Sure they did,

(54:51):
because they said, well the game has some been canceled, postponed, postponed, postponed,
That game is not gonna be played now they're moving
to Florida. Where is my money? And how a lot
are you gonna give me interest on that money? Well,
that's that's the other class action that has to be
filed by all the teams. And the day I actually

(55:11):
got the money back, I said I need to talk
to somebody else, and the other person said, all right,
we'll give your money after Just keep you arguing, just
keep yelling. But yeah, the the idea that if you
went and bought secondary market tickets from that Milwaukee game,
I'm sorry you gambled, And that's like making a bet,
all right. NBA had a lot of moves. Kevin Durant

(55:34):
in Phoenix. If he ever shows up, will he actually
make a difference? And the moves that the Lakers have made,
is it conceivable that a team right now in the
thirteenth slot out of fifteen in the Western Conference, as
he has a shot at winning an NBA championship? Will
break it down? This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Hartman

(55:57):
and Mike Harmon, Hi, the Hartman and Harmon Show. We
are live from the ti iraq dot Com studios. Ty
Little NBA by the way, coming up in the next hour,
Adam Caplano, Jonas or Fox Sports Radio NFL insider Michelle
a lot of inside on the latest NFL news in
terms of which quarterback is going where. Um, But we

(56:19):
had a lot of movement already as far as the
NBA is concerned. Some big names is. By the way,
when you think back to the initial bonding of the
super trio of Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irvin, and James Harden,
they played a total of sixteen games together, I think
you're shortened. One gives seventeen games. Um. Obviously it never

(56:45):
happened for them there. And I remember in the off
season knowing Joe Sigh Josiah who bought the Brooklyn Nets
for a record amount of money, well over three billion dollars. Uh.
He was a big name down in the San Diego
area because we kept thinking, well, why doesn't Joe's side
by the Chargers so they don't move to l A.
He never did. He invested in the Brooklyn Nets. But

(57:06):
I kept saying it at the time, when you've invested
that kind of money in a team, and that kind
of money in those kind of star players, you're not
gonna dump them for less than market value. And the
next thing, you know, much like we talked about Aaron
Rodgers earlier. Everyone said, oh, Kevin Durant says, I want
to get traded. He's gonna get traded. He didn't get traded.

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Neither did Kyrie Irving. So they played this year with
the nets. But as we got to the All Star break,
it was clear that Kyrie just he'd overstayed his welcome.
He's only worth so much trouble. As talented as he is,
you can only take so much. You dump him and
you get rid of Durant and you get a bushel
of But I'm want to go to Durant first four

(57:50):
number ones for what thirty four year old Kevin Durant,
you push all your chips in as a new owner
to the center of the table there in the desert.
I mean you were out there for Super Bowl week.
I gotta imagine I may think about it. Normally, the
NFL goes and just rolls over everybody else. It was
an NBA. The the beginning of that week in Arizona

(58:14):
was NBA move after NBA move. I'd say, you go
all in. I like when like just Joe sigh, did
you see what Bridges did the other day? For the
next and he gave up Jake Crowder, Jake Crowder gets
bought out. Whatever else. I mean, you make your move,
you get bold. What was interesting about it, though, is

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when before Durant sat down and got hurt, they were rolling.
They were, and when they traded both these guys, they
were still ten games over five hundred. What were there
the third of the fourth seed in the East. I'm
not so sure about the Durant situation. Kevin Durant to
me is again, I would sit here and have argument

(58:56):
about argument about who's the best player in the NBA,
and a lot of people kept telling me it's Kevin Durant,
And I said, look, I'm a Durant fan. He's a
unique player. He's a big man. He can shoot lights out,
and he proved in his NBA Finals runs. I I
don't dismiss those. Well, you know he he was with
Steph Curry and Clay Thompson and Draymond Green. Yeah, but
he was the best player on that v He carried,

(59:18):
he was making all the big basket like the other
guys when it came down to it. Yeah, I mean,
he was the star of that team. But he's not
that durable when the body starts breaking down the idea
that you're gonna just suddenly get healthy again. With exception
of that one come back here by Bill Walton, I
always get back to Bill. I go, Bill, how is
it that you took six years off, but you get

(59:39):
to that really good Boston team Suddenly you could play
eight games? How does that work? Look at all the
guys on that Boston team, and I guess that would
mean that Kevin Durant argument here, and Piley would say, well,
maybe it's a little more motivated than when I was
sitting on the Clippers there. There is something to be
said for that. Motivation is a beautiful thing. And you
look at Kevin Durant goes to the Desert Bookers healthy again.
They didn't have to get rid of Eton because there

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was a lot of speculation that he was going to
be on the way out for whatever they did at
the trade deadline. And now you've got enough talent there
that Chris Paul and Durant don't have to log heavy minutes. Now.
ESPN moved game coming out of the All Star breaks,
so it's pretty evident that they fully anticipate Kevin Durant

(01:00:19):
playing in that one. I did like his comments related
to the uh the way they're drafting the All Star team.
Since we were on Durant, by the way, this is
a game time decision. Remember it used to be a
week before where the top volt getters would choose their teams.
They're waiting until game time, like ninety minutes before game time,
and then now they're going to choose the reserves first

(01:00:42):
because they decided they didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
Kevin Durant, the voice of reasons. I'm a fan again, Yes, right,
Sometimes your reserves I have to be based on who
was named a reserve. Yeah, I mean if you were
named a starter, then you have to choose the starters.
That's fine. But but the point was they they wanted
to avoid the embarrassment of being chosen last, like you

(01:01:03):
were on the playground and Kevin Durant quote, it's like
the Brokens millionaire getting picked. Another word, shut up, you're
an all start. Get over yourself. You got seven those paychecks. No,
but but I think with Durant in the desert, it
makes for an interesting experiment. Western Conference is I think
we could say deeper. And now it's the question of

(01:01:27):
with minutes and how you do load management. And I
use that term very loosely. Here is that what's always
the concern? Did you get to the playoffs? How many
minutes am I getting out of Chris Paul every night?
So in theory, you don't have to ramp him up
to where he's Bookers had injuries. But I mean, all
of these guys, so you can manage it if you've
got four guys like who wants to take lead tonight?

(01:01:49):
All right? So then then there's the Lakers situation breakers.
Now I had to talk incessantly about the Lakers of
my younger son because he just lives and breeze Laker basketball.
He sees that satisfied. Well it is. I mean, this
is a team that has Lebron James averaging thirty points
a game and you're the thirteen seat out of fifteen.
How's that possible? And yes, A d s missed games,

(01:02:11):
but hasn't been like he missed the entire season. I
I look at this team right now, by the way,
early on, I like what I see in D'Angelo Russell.
I think he can bring a certain dynamic to this
basketball team. He seems motivated by returning to the Lakers
after all these years, and like he said, I've been
in this league eight years now, I'm not the kid
that I you know, some kid when you're out of college.

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I'm a different player made. It's also a guy that
has been well traveled, which is always the thing you
kind of get a little bit nervous. Maybe at home.
I don't know, but I look at their situation and
I I'm more him looking at Darvin Ham, their coach.
So Darvin Ham's He's one of those guys I can
understand when you interview at Darvin Ham how he's very impressive, right.

(01:02:54):
I love the way he sort of breaks down the game.
You know, he knows the game. I like a certain
level of serious this about him. I like everything about
his demeanor that he looks and sounds like he would
be a really good coach. Except one problem. Now when
he in games, who coaches defense on that team? Well,
that's why he was the guy that we've been talking

(01:03:15):
about hires in the National Football League, Right, it was
like the defense because nobody's playing defense like the Brandon
Staley higher with the Chargers. He's brought as a defensive guy.
And if it wasn't for his quarterback. He wouldn't win
a game with the defense that he's put on the
field the last couple of years. Of the final five weeks,
they started getting healthy and look what happened. That's the
other thing, not the segue to the Chargers talk. It's

(01:03:37):
like there are another team. Hey, I don't care who's coaching,
finding new people in the training room to keep people
actually on the field. Anyway, back to well, just very quickly.
They have to go fourteen and nine in the last
twenty three just to make it to five. Okay, just
to make it a five hunter. I like the rotation
at all. It's interesting whether by the way, you know
they have an open spot. What would you think of

(01:03:58):
the addition a John Wall? Is there any gas left
in the tank? And John Wall might as well see
if you can siphon out because you always see that
one spot for the buyout contracts and you know, jump
on somebody. You want Kevin Love back in l A.
Apparently Kevin Love is going. Where's Miami? Miami? That's what
they talked about. Yeah, either way, you got a few guys.

(01:04:19):
I mean, John Wall, you kicked the tires. I mean
you just saw him, right, in the other lot he was.
That's that's but again it goes back to motivation and
whatever else, right, I hey, John, you can come in
here and be the guy that pushes us over. Is
that enough motivation to maybe find one last run in him?
I don't know. But when you talk about Clippers versus Lakers,

(01:04:40):
the Clippers have owned the Lakers for ten years now.
It's great. They got nothing either. That's what most have
the title, even if folks don't want to acknowledge it,
they got a title. There's a lot that went right
into that title. You know, hey, hey, you find your
wins and sometimes the world reward you that year. Everything

(01:05:02):
works for the Lakers. You don't have to like it
the title. Let's let's find out what's trending right now,
and joining us is our resident Clippers fan Rodgers regular season.
Maybe let's go all right, So tell Mike about the
legitimacy of that Lakers championship of two years ago. I

(01:05:24):
mean somebody had to win, so, yes, you wanted in
the bubble. We go back in history and you say
one thing, if you were to say one thing about
every NBA championship every year, and you get to that
one you'd be like, oh, that was the bubble year,
so it was different. Uh, they were all in a
bubble and they didn't play as many games, and somebody
had to win, and it was Lakers. There's no way

(01:05:44):
around my biggest like I said, it was a perfect storm.
And at the time, I said, there, obviously it's a championship.
It's in the book. I'm not into asterisk or anything else.
But there were a lot of teams that once they
got to the bubble, didn't want to be. There was
clear a lot of players were like, how long do
I have to stick around for this? Psychological cyclogs? And
then why why don't they get credit for when it

(01:06:06):
was psychologically Three major things going from one. They were
motivated by the tragedy that cost Kobe's life earlier that year. Too.
They had a very motivated Lebron who had missed the
finals for the first time in eight straight years the
year before its first year with the Lakers, And the
most important thing was they had arrested and healthy Anthony Davis,

(01:06:28):
who may not have been healthy and rested had they
finished out the regular season in the normal cycle. So
everything worked in their way and they took advantage of
it and they wanted they did. For sure, they won.
Since Dr Jerry Buzz passed away. In the nine years
the Genie Buss has been the owner, They've had seven
losing seasons, one first round loss in the playoffs, and

(01:06:50):
then the Bubble victory. But they've been relevant for us
here on Sports Talk radio every year. Thank you. They
will continue to be sauce. Thank you, Jane Moore, thank you.
You guys were talking about Kevin Love. Yeah, the Calves
and he completed a contract buy out and the Heat
are the front runners, but reports are saying that he
plans to talk to the seventies sixers as well before

(01:07:12):
making a decision. And then the Calves tweeted that, yeah,
his jersey will end up in the rafters, that is
for sure. Well, Diana Tarassi, let's move to the w
NBA for a hot second, because she's the all time
leading score and she's forty years old and she's not done,
you guys, She's gonna return for her nineteenth season for
her I know, with the Phoenix Mercury and it's a

(01:07:35):
multi year deal. Make him rip that jersey away, baby, right,
Let's slow down for a second, yere because I have
a lot of friends over the years that have played
in the w n B. A um, they play essentially
a thirty games schedule, right they do. So when you

(01:07:55):
say nineteen seasons in the w n B A that
would be the equivalent of nine seasons in the NBA
because the NBA. She also goes overseas as many w
NBA players. Thank you very much. I was that was
like a law at the neat gave her because you're
absolutely right, these women are not exclusive to the w
M and we well know people are traveling overseas to play, yeah,

(01:08:20):
pretty well publicized. Right. They're doing it obviously to make
more money because they definitely don't get paid as much.
But she's definitely playing. You got to be careful those
overseas traveling, you know, checks actually every airport you go through,
you guys, Right now, around three of the Genesis invitation
will continues. Tiger Woods is in the top twenty. He

(01:08:41):
is four under par. But at the top of the
leader board we have a tie between Maxhoma and John
rom They are tied at fourteen under par. But look
at Tiger Woods in the top twenty. Let's move to
college hoops. Three games going on number nine Baylor taking
on number five Kansas, and Baylor is up forty two
still five teen minutes left in the game. Xavier up

(01:09:02):
on the Paul st five nine minutes left in the game,
and Villanova and number twenty four Providence are at the break.
Providence is up thirty six to thirty one. Back to
Hartman and Carmen, very good, you see it very easily
rolls off the tongue, moncy, Thank you very much. By

(01:09:23):
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you dropped your glasses like it was a microphone exactly.

(01:09:45):
That's what I do right there. Um. Okay, by the way,
you you are wearing an NFL officials right now? Where
did you get that cap? Smith gave it to me
after some impassioned argument I made like three years ago.
Get it the NFL shop. I guess that style. Maybe
he stole it from referee like rip off his head

(01:10:07):
like that. I don't know there was a clip going
around who wasn't asking the referee for his hat. I
had a high school classmate of mine, Bill Spooner, who
spent thirty years in the NBA as an official, and uh,
I remember a game I went to was a Clippers
game against the Philadelphia seventy sixers on Larry Brown was

(01:10:29):
the Philadelphia seventy sixers coach. Okay, so that's a very specific.
I mean he was well traveled, so so he was
there in Philadelphia and I was sitting floor seats, not
my floor seats, friends of mine directly crossed from the
Philadelphia bench and they went to a time out and
Coach Brown was screaming at Spooner because he had made

(01:10:52):
the call right before the time out. And Spooner, seeing
me there, is walking toward me during the time out
to say hi, and Brown. I can hear lay Brown
like literally, he's in my face. He is he is
dropping everything on Spooner and and Bill is not even flinching.
Are you just going, hey, Steve, what's going on? Man? Okay?

(01:11:14):
And I'm like, and I know coach Brown he was
the coach UC when I was, and I'm like, can
you believe what he's yelling? He goes what like he's
he's completely tuned it out. Officials in all sports right
now under so much scrutiny for one very specific reason gambling.

(01:11:35):
I said this about the NFL when the NFL for years,
for years, they would dismiss the idea that the gambling
element had anything to do with the growth of the league.
They would just dismissed that idea, even though it was
so blatantly obvious that had nothing to do with a

(01:11:57):
sudden explosion of triests in the National Football League. And
I remember, even two years before Las Vegas got their team,
the idea of having an NFL team in Vegas, It's like,
it'll never happen. Remember that Tony Romo fantasy event he
was gonna I was supposed to go and be part
of that, and they told him, you can't do it
near in a casino. It will never happen. Now, not

(01:12:22):
only do we have the Las Vegas Raiders, billions of
dollars are being funneled into the NFL through gambling establishments,
billions of football baseball. You've got them in the park
and keep on going. On the line. So billions and
billions officials now under such incredible scrutiny. It's like they

(01:12:44):
can't get it right. And we even saw it in
the Super Bowl. I mean there were overturn calls all
over the place. It was weird. It was a weird,
weirdly officiated game. It was a very weirdly officiated game.
Even before you get to the holding call, there was
still a lot of a lot of moments where you're
debates of what do you think with that? Why why
wasn't that reviewed? Being an official is a great job.

(01:13:05):
I mean, think about that. Is there another part time
job in America where you get a pension? How many
part time jobs in America will earn you a lifetime pension.
NFL officials get that it's a part time job. They're
not full time employees, yet they get a pension for life.

(01:13:27):
Pretty good deal, not a bad deal, not at all.
So what do you do if you're the NFL, the NBA,
and the and these are the main sports, because in
baseball you don't even need umpires, you don't robots, baby,
you think about it, In baseball, you have no fouls
and you have no penalties. It's either ball strikes, save out,

(01:13:48):
fair or foul. All of that can be done electronically.
You don't need umpires on the field at all plays
at bases? Do we need the extra camera angles and
someone in a booth with the joyce? Did you see
the size of these new bases? It's ridiculous? Did you
see the basin side? Chi can't everything they changed? I

(01:14:11):
hate and it's I don't think it's me being an
old man. What is that? I thought they were choking there?
Taller than a That's well done, that's the very Now
do you see the size of those new basslievable? But um,
but if you're an AMBI official calling fouls or an
NFL official calling penalties, I don't know what more they

(01:14:36):
can do. Now. It's toff at this point. Stuff at
this point, trying to figure out how to legislate the
rest of it because you either want it called or
you don't. If you want it called, and you really
want stuff called, we've got a five hour game that's
coming to you at the inter near you right, because
we can debate holds. We're both on the same page
as far as challenging the call should be all inclusive.

(01:14:59):
If it's a panel. Whatever you want to If you
want to add one more per team, I'm good with that.
You can't be unlimited. Now if the booth in New
York wants to come over the top at any point,
and that should be an option as well. How about
the Hey, how about the NBA that that last hack
on Lebron James against the Celtics already used their challenge,

(01:15:20):
which they won that challenge, so they didn't have a
challenge left to actually challenge a blatant hack on the
risk that costs the Lakers a game, and then of
course Laban and a D conveniently sat out the next
game in Brooklyn. Figure. Yeah, alright, so we gotta answer
the question about the Lakers going for We haven't done
that yet, Okay, we we should, we should, We'll do

(01:15:41):
that on the other side. Also, Adam Caplan is gonna
be joined us in the next hour. We got all
the latest NFL news from our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider.
This is Fox Sports Saturday. I guess it in the

(01:16:01):
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put the final turns around double team and Trouble throws
it up port the Gallaway gets it across the timeline
and trace Jaxon Davis at home. What a play by
getting the fare that is Don and Fisher from Lierfield

(01:16:21):
And uh, do you have an update on that score there?
Mr Big Ten, Iowa Sam between Indiana and Illinois. Ye,
who's your final there? It is? All right, well, I'll
get I'm literal on we're running out of time. Later on,
I'm gonna get into the idea that we're going to
be part of the same family and the Big Ten
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the tournament has not been glowing in recent years. You know, hey,

(01:17:07):
but my team is going to dance. That will change
the day the u c l A enters the Big Ten.
I promise you that because we have a legit coach
of mccronin all right, Um, you lobbying for a job
with mccronin do you want to get him in the
next hour when you replaced the worst coach in America
as Steve Alford was worst coach in America, coach in America,

(01:17:28):
good hair, though, worst coach in America at Nevada. He's
in the running for a National Coach of the Year.
Worst coach in America, Steve Deeds hug Steve Alfred's good
at like the mid major level. U c l A
hired Steve Alford is an embarrassment national champion, but as

(01:17:50):
a player legend. Yeah, anyway, I remember Pacer fans are
upset when they drafted Reggie Miller instead of Steve Alford
and the draft and Nate said, you never know if
if Alford had gone there, you never know what would
have happened. He would have had Reggie Miller's care. I
promise you, by the way, when you go to school,
That's right, u c l A. Anyway, let's talk about
these Lakers right now. So I mentioned they got to

(01:18:12):
go fourteen and nine in the last twenty three games
just to get to five hundred, and when you look
at their schedule post All Star Game, they got Golden
State at home and then they have three straight roadies. Uh,
they got they got a hard road ahead of them.
But if they can survive that and keep Lebron James

(01:18:33):
healthy and get a d healthy and see if de'angel
Russell can somehow what is it odds right now? You
can get yeah to um, you sounded like Carl Reiner
in and something to making a bet on the Lakers.
Whinny at all whatever? It's a dinner bet that means

(01:18:56):
you eat cheaply the next couple of nights. But you
think the nuggets of the US of the West. Yeah,
Phoenix is intriguing now, but can they actually pull it
off well and play to their max level? Yeah, which
at times they have shown this right seven game series,
that's where it's intriguing. Right in the East, we stipulate
to who the top dogs? Who else? Who else scares you?

(01:19:19):
The West a given Sunday, Right, that's it? Yeah, there's
nobody that I mean the Warriors. People keep wondering if
they're going to the Lakers. Talk about a team that's
been sleepwalking all season. The Lakers have the let's see
winning percentage for their final stretcher on according to tankathon
of three, only five teams, only five teams with an

(01:19:44):
easier schedule. A right, So even if they're in the
play and round, as long as we have seen Lebron
play at an insanely high level at times this year,
and so is Anthony Davis. Anytime we get to say
at times it's great, I keep waiting for the other
shoe to drive. Well, I mean, like, are so saying, well,
you know, if we actually get Kawhi, Leonard and PG

(01:20:06):
to play every game, how laughable is that they did?
Our guy Mark Medina did a huge pole. It's like
all the people are waiting for the big surge from
the Clippers. And how many games are they playing together?
And once they get to the playoffs, is that any
guarantee they show up either if they're playing at the
max level, Lebron and A D are still the best
duo in this league, still the best due on this league.

(01:20:27):
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White Kansas is still on the one seed level. They
were getting blown out early, down thirteen and a half
to Baylor. Second half now thirty six to fourteen Jayhawks. Unbelievable.
They have a nine point lead over the Baylor Bears.
So Kansas to defending champions showing up in a big

(01:21:11):
way blowing out Baylor in the second half. Wow, four
players and double figures. Jalen Wilson, the forward eighteen and
eleven on the game crazy, Yeah, we were watching the
first half kind of Chuckling's like, Wow, home court, you
didn't bother to show up. That's one hell of a
halftime speech. Uh, should I be worried about my u
c l A Bruins tonight four rank team in the country.

(01:21:31):
They're playing Cal that's three and twenty three on the season.
They give an effort for thirty five minutes like Stanford
did the other night. You know what, were you getting
just a little bit of a scare? Well? What was
embarrassing about that? After the game at Cronin basically said,
and some of the players agree that, yeah, we were.
We were a little cocky. I'm like, against the Stanford

(01:21:53):
team that just beat Arizona. Why, I'm sorry, why why
did you think they were going to roll over? Now,
Cow's a different story and twenty have they but they
just beat out They just beat Arizona. Hey, man, the
any given Sunday, it happened to them, not us. We're
the Mighty Bruins. Come on, we are the said. I

(01:22:18):
have this rare opportunity to spend air time with you, Mike. Yeah,
let's talk about the whole dynamic of the future of
the Big ten with the invasion of USC and you
still I was gonna say, I mean, we're the cheap Well, look,
I was talking to some people about the future of
the PAC twelve and in fact, I was talking to

(01:22:39):
my friend Don McClain last night, and he's worked for
the PAC twelve network for years now. I've been hearing
the obvious solution solutions not a solution, but it's an alternative.
Is you look at the markets and so Sandy Goo
State and U n l V with the San Diego
in Las Vegas markets come in. But he threw a
wrinkly said, forget those markets. They're going after s MU

(01:23:02):
and the Dallas market. Get that big TV market in.
By the way, if if the PAC twelve were to
just change together, Don McClean goes down as the leading
score all time. That will never be challenged. You know what,
And my my dear friend Eric Dickerson, the whole time
leading Russia and Southwest conference, suddenly he pops. No one
ever we'll break that record because the conference doesn't existence right,

(01:23:25):
So how long are they going to call it the
Big TAM when there's like thirty schools in the Big
Tam will still be the Big I don't know. I've
already registered all websites related to Big twenty. Where do
you think the limit's gonna be? All right? So U,
S c U, c l A make it what eighteen? Now? Yeah? Okay,
So that's a team. Do you think we need one more?
To go back to Ocean? What are their schools? Who

(01:23:47):
are their markets? If Notre Dame has no interest? By
the way, I had, you know, Pete feu tach right, Pete.
Pete had this suggestion. Right after I talked to Pete
about this, and he was he was making the pitch
for the Pac twelve that the obvious school that they
should go after with a vengeance is Noted Dame. And

(01:24:10):
so the argument would be that if you're noted Dame,
if you go to the Big ten, you're just in
the mix. But if you come to the Pack twelve,
you are the star. With those two teams leaving right
with the l A market vacation, so you would basically
control that conference and it would be a very workable
conference to win and qualify for the playoff. And everything

(01:24:34):
was especially with the fan of playoffs and everything else.
I didn't I I threw that at other people in Indiana.
Geography doesn't matter more. They brought Penn States, they brought
Rutgers in and Maryland, then that matters, Carlin, I mean,
just keep going on down the line. That's why even
the Pac twelve going and grabbing a school in Texas. Okay,

(01:24:59):
they were recruit out of Texas for years. I mean,
it's a it's a hotbed. So and then there was
a suggestion that maybe the Pack twelve would go forget
forget football. See right now, you know this, Mike. College
football is separate from the n c A and nc
has no jurisdiction over college football. They have been silent about, right.

(01:25:23):
I mean, there is no n c A champion of
Division one football. There never has been, you know, they
just keep making up championships, playoffs and everything else. It's
the only sport at any level, men's or women's that
an n c A champions not crowned. Every other sport,
every other level there's an n c A championship trophy
except Division one football. So the idea is forget football

(01:25:46):
for second, if you're the Pack twelve, right focus on
basketball and go after a Gonzaga or a Houston and
created simply like a Super Basketball conference. Forget the football stuff. Yeah,
there's there's more money overall, way more in the football
side of things, so abandoning that is always uh it

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gonna be a tough sell in any of those campus.
By the way, here's the argument. If you're Gonzaga, there
will probably be more WCC teams in the tournament this
year than Pack twelve teams, Pack twells what two right
now to right now unless somebody else ran I mean
Oregon and sc are on the bubble tournament, though there
are bubble teams right now I think the w CC

(01:26:29):
could have as many as fourteens and get in there
and sell, sell, sell Steve. By the way, did you
hear that we were talking about expanding the tournament again
from sixty eight to like ninety. I'm like, why are
you doing? You don't need to do that. You have
the conference tournaments. The fact that it rolled off your
tongue to say that you from that would be a
hard sell for a lot of people right there. Look

(01:26:49):
at it's a tournament of those other two games. I get.
I get really hyped up about this when people are
dismissive of John Wooden and all his championships, saying, well,
how many you know? Who do you have to play?
But you had to win your conference just to get
in the turn of Gilbert in the Hall of Fame.
By the way, Sam Gilbert is not in the Hall

(01:27:10):
of Fame spiritually he might be. Okay, dare you? How
dare you? I had to ask, still had a coach
of the players. Some one had to get him there
and keep him there. I remember he won seventh straight
championships and combined record of two hundred five and five
in seven years. Saying because people do it in the
NBA all the time. Right of a look at these

(01:27:31):
champions all these years ago, the Lakers and Celtics. Do
you miss Mike Schefsky at all other than him yelling
at people when they stormed the court. I'll tell you
the time that we had, you know, Pat O'Brien, he could.
The thing about Pat was he he his rolodex was unbelievable.
I did get to hear a little of your interaction
with our guys over at yesterday. He um he could

(01:27:54):
call Schowski and he would literally come straight on the
air like it's unbelievable. I mean, how many people have
that kind So this was this is the right when
he was about to pass Bob Knight is the winningest coach,
and I couldn't resist this question. I said to him,

(01:28:16):
I said, a coach, when you pass Bob Knight, do
you think you could catch Pat Summit as the all
time leader. That's a good question because at the time
Pat Summit had more wins than Bob Knight in her
time at Tennessee. Silence, Good for you, It's a great question,
and you know that he basically there was silence, and

(01:28:38):
then he was like, m probably not, but in a
very solemn way. I think I think he did actually
pass her eventually. I think I think that's true. But
that's a good questions got out of left. I couldn't.
It was it was a smart ally question, I get,
you know, but I just I couldn't real were mad
because he wasn't in your role next to be able

(01:28:59):
to exactly It wasn't like I was going to lose
him as a clone. Pat's phone while he was sitting there.
You've seen that in a lot of movies and TV
show right, just sidle it up next, start grabbing, grabbing them.
You know why Pat was so good at this is
that he would since Pat by By, by his own admission,
absolutely well. He and Rich Hornberger both the Valentine's uh.

(01:29:24):
In fact, my sister just became a grandmother on Valentine's
State Twins. Anyway, congratulations. But to all you lovers out there,
but Pat was really the reason he was had this
relationship with these people all those years he worked at
CBS Sports, even though Pat would be the first to
tell you he really didn't follow sports, I really care
that much about sports. But he was the perfect man

(01:29:45):
to set up set the scene. But he never but
he never talked sports with these people that he would
talk music and you man tamers like the rest of us,
Yahoo's we see an athlete switch, right, they all want
to be an entertain I remember had Dion one time
Don Sanders at the Super Bowl and he couldn't get
enough because he doesn't talk football with him, no start.

(01:30:06):
But that's but that's the way you You've developed relationship
with all these guys through But you've got to ask
the basics, right because if they come on your show,
you've got to ask the basis because they didn't have
anything to tell. Ask them about it. It didn't really write.
But a lot of our relationships the guys that we
have on air, yeah, we eventually get to the meat

(01:30:27):
and potatoes of what what they do in terms of
their expertise, but what drives them. He here's so much
more into that stuff. Um, that's what I do with
my girls. Like we're deep into movies and and television
and and uh go on down Banshee should win the

(01:30:49):
Film of the Year. I mean, I'm watching the Grammys
the other day, I'm like, what is this? What is this?
It's a different world, different world. Well it's it's not
it's not your your father's Grammys, it's you're used to
be singing. How many of these songs are gonna hold
up thirty years from now. They don't have to, They
don't have to. Like anything in our culture right now,

(01:31:09):
is everything. Everything is disposable immediately. All right. I'll tell
you what's not disposable is the inside of our next man,
That would be Adam Caplan, our Fox Sports Radio NFL
Insider will join us next Steve Hartman and Mike Harman.
We are alive from the ti iraq dot com studios.

(01:31:32):
All right, it is that time, always a treat, always
a pleasure, always an honor to be joined by our
Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider. He is Mr NFL. He
is Adam Kaplan, Harmon and harmon today, Adam, it's good
to be with you today. All right. UM. I heard
earlier our dear friend Jonas Knox questioning why it is

(01:31:55):
that Eric B. Enemy would leave the Chiefs for a
lateral job with the Washington Commanders. Um, what's going on
with Eric B. Enemy? I mean the idea that well,
if he proves himself as a play caller, maybe he's
more in line to be a head coach. But wait
a second. Andy Reid wasn't a play caller when he

(01:32:16):
got a job. Neither was Doug Peterson. A lot of
guys who were offensive coordinators who became head coaches did
so without actually calling plays. So what is the situation
and why did Eric b Enemy leave the Chiefs for
what appears to be a near lateral job with the Commanders. Yeah,
I mean it's it's lateral entitled, but he's got the

(01:32:37):
assistant head coach title. He's gonna make more money. Uh.
The negative too big negatives here. I was talking to
Duck got leave about this. Um quite frankly, this is
a job a lot of coaches didn't want. Why would
they not want it? It's an offensive coordinator job? Why
would they not want that? Two reasons this staff. If
the ownership change his hands, nobody knows who the head

(01:32:57):
coach would be. Everyone's safe. This sason obviously becomes serve
a mystery. Uh. And Brian and when you look at
Ron Rivera, he had his end of the season press conference,
so this was not lost on some some coaches I'm
friendly with. Vera basically said this is gonna be run
first offense without saying it. He kind of said that

(01:33:19):
the quarterback will not be a factors. It's going to
go through the running game and they're gonna win with defense.
Well that that'll be good enough to win nine ten games,
maybe if your defense is really good. But it puts
a lot of pressure on on the new offs of
offensive coordinator. In this case, it's the enemy to call
a run based scheme. And remember the scheme that it
came from. Though he didn't call the plays and he redid,
it's heavily involved in designing it. And that's one of

(01:33:41):
the best in NFL history in terms of passing the football.
So it's sort of a strange situation. The enemy knew
he had to go somewhere where he's not under any
reached shadow. That's why he's been trying to leave. And still,
I mean, it's it's not the greatest job in the world,
but he's going to have a chance to run his offense.
And I'll say one thing that that helps him. It's
got Brian Robinson of running back. He's really they're really

(01:34:03):
talented at wide receiver. But again they don't They're gonna
go with Sam how here for at least right now.
Their plan is to go for with Sam how that
could change, But that's that's the guy with the fifth
front pick, Lassieason. Yeah, Jason Wright, tweeting out earlier quote,
he's fully empowered to reshape the program and his image,
creative game planning, attention to detail, unwavering accountability. Well, Mike again,

(01:34:28):
I'm just gonna go by what Ron Rivera said. Ron Rivera,
it's his call, no one else's. Ron Rivera's personnel control.
Ron Rivera also controls what how the offensive defenses will
be run. And Ron said at the end of the
season that they're gonna have a run based offense. So
that's what I expect to see. But what I would
say is this, Let's say that Sam House a quarterback. Again,
we're only in February here, they don't know who the

(01:34:48):
quarterback will be in Superber. But if it if it's
going to be how And let's say has a great
game thirty forty seven fifty yards and it's it's a
it's not from come from behind. He actually plays really well.
Are they really going to go run of football thirty
times next week? We can't answer that. But that's that's
the problem that people have with this job. All right,
Before we talk about quarterbacks on the move, let's talk
about quarterbacks not going anywhere. Um. We've been talking a

(01:35:11):
lot about Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert about fifty million
dollars a year for them. Jalen Hurts isn't that same
draft class, and obviously his stock has gone up significantly
after a by the way, second most Fantasy points ever
in my right mike for a quarterback, behind Steve Young's
six touchdown game for the Forts. Those two, Yeah, well

(01:35:33):
that's exactly. But Jalen Hurts, how does this? What are
with the Eagles plans as far as his future contract
is concerned? Yea, so so Steve. They They've been clear
to him and his agent, Nicolelon, they want to get
a deal done. They're gonna be trying to be aggressive
with it now. The question will be because here's the thing.
If I'm Hurts, I'm not gonna do a deal right now.
I'm gonna want to see what Burl and Herbert get. See.

(01:35:56):
The one thing that Hurts has over those other two
guys is it's pretty clear he's coming off of the
m m v P type season and that that's he's
got that leverage there now. He also does not have
a fifth year option. That twenty three is the last
year with his rookie deal, where the other the other
teams next year they could use the fifth or option
if they want to. It's again those teams don't have

(01:36:17):
to do a deal now. The Eagles, historically, going back
to Joe Banner, the former president, they want to get
deals done early. They want they're happy to give away
a lot of guaranteed money early because they know that
that particularly in this case with the TV money, the
big TV money hitting in the Caps getting up significantly
year after year after year, So that the Eagles want
to get this done now. Whether than wait, I think

(01:36:38):
Hurts should be smart to wait to see what those
numbers look like. If Born Herbert get deals which could
average fifty fifty five million per season. All right, so
we could do a three day dark retreat in Guatemala
Adam for eight plus air fare, uh, to try to
experience in the same thing as Aaron Rodgers. What kind
of clarity do you think he finds in the darkness? Well,

(01:37:00):
here's what I hid my reporting on this. I put
this out. Actually went the Super Bowl, the Jets, the
Jets have ranked. I'm told by multiple sources it's it's
Rogers won. Derek Cars to Derek Car's visiting this weekend
with Jets coaches, but they and I give what he
Woody Johnson credit. People question him and his involvement. Would
he spend the money, But when I've been told he's

(01:37:22):
all in for Aaron Rodgers if NI could work it out.
But Rogers has to have his meeting with Brian Guducust,
the GM of the Packers, and they have to kind
of decide where they're gonna go forward. And I could
tell you for a fact they love Jordan Love there
he is really he had a good off season last year.
I mean, I know it's coming off the bench and
Eagles can prepare for him, but he did a really
good job when when Rogers got hurt against the Eagles

(01:37:43):
when the money Money Night game, I thing was But
the fact the matter is, when you look at the
Packers situation, Roger's future is tied into two loves because
they have the fifth year option on Love, which is
doing right after the draft a week after. So they
have to get some clarity here. And it's started really
quite frankly. The quarterback carousel starts with Rogers because this
is an historically bad for agent class. It's Rogers is

(01:38:05):
on a contract, so he doesn't really count though it
obviously he could be moved. Jim mcgaroppolo is the best
unrestricted free acient quarterback, and then it's just a bunch
of backups. Alright, So Lamar Jackson situation, it's really two
full because we assume the Ravens will franchise tag him
and then that could be worked in as signing trade situation.
But also I'm just telling you so they're not going

(01:38:26):
to trade. I mean because again, if you are bringing
a Lamar Jackson, he brings in a very unique set
of skills. Now, give the Ravens credit, they scrapped what
they had under Joe Flacco to create an offense that
was centered around the talents of Lamar Jackson. So is
are there teams out there if indeed the Ravens were
even contemplating a deal that would make a similar adjustment

(01:38:49):
to fit an offense to what Lamar does. Pass. Yeah,
and that's that c ST. If you bring up an
excellent point, this is the thing, and John Harbor was
very clear on this and why they are not traded him.
They made a decision when they moved on from Joe
Flacco that they're gonna build a specific offense. It's gonna
be run based. It's almost in a way, it's kind
of like the The two Thousand Ravens, although it was

(01:39:10):
Trent deal for of course, but they want to win
with defense and the running game. This is not going
to be a passing offense though, though they're their new
offensive coordinator. It's interesting they go away from Greg Roman,
who is mr. Run based, phenomenal, phenomenal run game guy.
They're bringing Todd Monkin is no no more for his
passing game. But the fact the matter is John said

(01:39:31):
this at the end of the He he killed all
the speculation, so did Eric da Costa. They made it
pretty clear, this is our guy. We're gonna do everything
we can to get a deal done. They're gonna try,
but Lamar has not moved off, and we understand that
he wants he wants the five years fully guaranteed. That
that Watson got no no team wants to do that,
and that that also by the way, and then if

(01:39:53):
you're Joe Burrows agent or your your Herbert agent, I
mean you obviously have to ask for that. You're not
gonna get it. No team has been willing to even
consider that. Now, could we get a compromise it four
years fully guaranteed, That could be the best compromise. I'd
be walking in with all the tapes of talking about
the contract. Yeah, and he's not doing that. I mean,

(01:40:14):
it's not a secret. He's made clear now. In terms
of their receiving corps, even if it's still run based,
they've taken a couple of shots in the draft. Trying
to keep guys healthy has been a difficult proposition at
that position, at him, you know, how do they turn
it in free agency to try to convince Lamar that
maybe there can be more rounded out into the passing game. Yeah,
but remember now Bateman comes back from the Less Frank injury.

(01:40:35):
He's a former fresh round pick, so he'll be starting
when he's back. Duverne was miscasts number two. Uh, they
are looking to add a They're probably gonna add two receivers.
I would expect them to address us in the draft
because if you really look at their football team, their
defense is fantastic. They don't have to worry about their defense.
It's it's quite frankly that as you bring it up
the receiver corps they have to take a look at it.

(01:40:57):
That's to me, their number one need. I know they
are run based off, but you gotta they had no depth.
I mean, when you're bringing back Sammy Watkins right, i'll
the scrap people, you're kind of telling you your your fishing.
So they have to do that. They have to get
younger at a couple of spots the offensive line, right
guard and right tackle. They'll they'll look to do that,
but it's just getting lamartin. They love to get it done.
They've tried, I'll say this much. They've tried. It's not

(01:41:17):
like they haven't tried. But I think one of the
things is he does not have an agent. He has advisors,
he's his mother also involved. As I understand it, not
having an agent does not help the situation because an
agent could there are creative ways to get a deal
done where if you're trying to get five years fully
guarantee what you're not gonna get there. There are other
things you can do, some belts and whistles that gets

(01:41:38):
you close to that, but they've not been able to
do that. So I'm looking at teams that absolutely need
a quarterback like now Texans, Cold, Panthers, Jets, Raiders, Commanders,
And then there's a lot of teams that you know
could use a better quarterback, Saints, Falcons, Titans, you know,
I mean there's I mean, and you know, as you mentioned,

(01:42:00):
this is a very limited free agent list. You're only
going to get a couple of guys out of the draft.
I mean, this is like musical chairs here at him.
There's gonna be only so many spots, and I see
a lot of teams are gonna be left empty handed.
Uh As far as the quarterback position going into three, oh,
there's no there's no doubt. I mean I've been saying
for months. I mean, they're they're, they're probably if you

(01:42:21):
really look at it, ten teams that need a quarterback.
It's it's an historically bad situation. In fact, when I
look at it, So cars out there obviously is we've
talked about, Uh, Carson Wentzon, Winston will be well, I'm
sure gonna be made available. They've got bad contracts, so
they'll be on the street, but no one looks at
them as a starter. Right now. Then you've got Mayfield,

(01:42:41):
Donald Mike White, who I kind of like is a
good backup for sett Bridgewater, Dalton, Heinekee, Dobbs, to Flacco,
Drew Lock, Keenham, Rudolph Minshew, Daniel Stidham, Rush Gabett, all backups.
That's it. So you just now that's Steve. I've just
listed sixteen backup quarterbacks where you're gonna get a starter.
Make a trade in giant offered as you gago for
Justin Fields. You know, they they're you know, Mike, they've

(01:43:03):
they were also printing out Now I'm I know, I
know if two teams absolutely are doing homework on on
the said quarterback. Well, Jim Ergy put a picture, you know,
of him riding a bear. Well he also say let
it know, you know, Mit, I like that Alabama quarterback,
which I thought was funny. But the front office made
it pretty clear that this is their guy and this

(01:43:24):
although they didn't draft him, they weren't there when they were.
He was drafted justin Fields. So you're Steve's right, it's
really bad. And now we'll get into more in the
draft as we go forward. Uh, we'll probably see three
quarterbacks roughly go in the first round, maybe five in
the top forty, but it'll be better than last year's group,
no question about that. It was historically bad. But there

(01:43:46):
are just too many teams you need a quarterback. The
demand has outlift supply here. It's it's pretty bad White
into talking a year ago, but just how many great
quarterbacks are off precipitately, it's really big time going in three. Adam,
it's great for you to hang out with Hartman and Harmon.

(01:44:08):
There you go really hard, that's what we try to
call it. Adam, Well, thanks so much. We'll talk to
you next week. You talk about him Kaplan our Fox
Sports Radio NFL Inside. Let's find out what's trending right now.
So we're welcome back. Monsey. Uh, it's getting It's the
Hear Hard Show, right. It is harsh. You know. It's funny.

(01:44:34):
Is one time I don't know what I was telling
my friend, she asked me how my day went, or like,
I don't remember, but I mentioned both of you, and
she was like, did you not just say that name already?
And I was like, no, it's Hartman and Harmon and
she's like, oh, so that happened to me already with
the friends. Mike said, I I do things and Mike
gets blamed for him, the powerful and attractive man of

(01:44:56):
the chief. There it is there, it is where it is.
So guys. Two games going on right now in college hoops.
Number one Alabama is all over Georgia forty seven nineteen
is the score that is not a typo six minutes
left in the first half, while number twenty four Providence

(01:45:17):
holding onto their lead over Villanova sixty seven sixty three.
This game is on Fox and three minutes left in
that one. Number five Kansas with the fifty five point
second half to come back and beat number nine Baylor.
The final score was eighty seven to seventy one. Now
number sixteen Xavier, they outscored to Paul two six eight.
One game went to overtime earlier today, it was between

(01:45:38):
number six Texas and Oklahoma, but the long Horns came
out on top eighty five to eighty three. One upset Kentucky.
With the upset over number ten Tennessee sixty six to
fifty four. We also had victories from number seven Virginia,
number twelve, Kansas, State, number fourteen, Indiana, number fifteen, Miami,
number twenty Yukon, and number twenty two t s U

(01:46:00):
A all had victories. The Genesis invitation will continues, and
now we just have one person at the top of
the leader boards, sitting all alone. John rom at number
at number under fourteen. Sorry, sorry, number one, thank you
at fourteen under par. Tiger Woods is done for the
day and he is at three under par. Was his

(01:46:22):
final and the story just came out on ESPM. This
is at the All Star weekend in Salt Lake City.
Kevin Durant was asked if it was like a good
thing that players are demanding these trade requests for the
n b A, and he said, I don't think it's
bad for the league. It's bringing more eyes to the league.
More people are more excited, the tweets that I get,

(01:46:44):
the news hits that we got from that we got
from me being traded, Kyrie being traded. It just brings
more attention to the league. And that's really what rakes
the money in when you get more attention. So I
think it's great for the league. To be honest, I
don't agree. You know what, when people are under the

(01:47:07):
delusion that no matter how crazy what is, they're gonna say,
it's gonna make sense to everybody, you know, and it's
gospel because he came out of my pie hole type
of thing. For sure. For sure. A little baseball news
we all heard that picture. Jacob deGrom was already having
issues well. Rangers GM Chris Young said that his side

(01:47:28):
is improving. So he's actually gonna play catch tomorrow. No bullpin,
but he's gonna play catch. So there is that. Guys.
It's been fun, happy Saturday. I will see you tomorrow. Yes,
I'll be here all right, Monty, very very good, Thanks
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do you want to take exception to from this week? Well,
you know he made a lot of people mad at
him this week, so just pick one out of my hand. Jason.
I did a number of shows when I was doing
the Monday through Friday show with Pat back in the day,

(01:48:11):
Pat I always had dental problems to take care of.
I do remember Jason, I getting into heated discussion when
it's all said and done, he insisted that Matt Harvey
will make people forget that Clayton kershaw ever existed. It
was Matt Harvey day, every fifth day, and you got
to defend your guy. So he was insisting, then what's
all said and done, there will be no argument who's better.

(01:48:35):
Matt Harvey the show is that day. Does he feel
any remorse about the Mets waving by to a disintegrating
Jacob deGrom youkildn't when that news broke, he got all
big surprise. Look, you're at a point where we talk
about all these NBA guys. There's no guarantee any of
these guys are playing tomorrow, or load management or back

(01:48:58):
on the injury shelf. Right, what we're talking about the
Lakers earlier in the show. How many games you got
left with Davison and Lebron playing together? Because if you
heard the tone reports after they said Lebron was hurt
after his record breaking night, he made it sound like
you weren't going to see him again. And then all
of a sudden, what there a couple of days later
back dominating on the court. Took the days off, but

(01:49:20):
then dominating and now he's gonna play in the in
the All Star Game and festivities with Jacob Degram. I don't,
I don't know what he is. I mean, you're hoping
for twenty starts. Well, I I hade a lot of
money for twenty starts a year. At this point, again,
every time I opened up the historical vault on my shows,
people cringe. But what I when I think, I mean

(01:49:44):
it's opening or something. I mean I I had starting.
This is where both Jackson hit the leadoff. So they
used to have an old yes, by the way, he
was asked, guy, yeah, the Russell brothers anyway. Um, of
course ties with your beloved Cubs anyway, so thank you,

(01:50:13):
Oh my dad did good. Anyway, Um, they used to
have still an old timers game back in the day,
and sitting there was the winningest left hander of all time,
Warren Spawn and I wanted to take time to record
an interview with Warren, and we were talking even then
about asking less of starting pitchers. So instead of completing
twenty five games, they were now down about fifteen. There

(01:50:35):
was already a trend. Now we don't we have teams,
teams to go an entire year without a single complete game.
But he said I don't get it because he said
my feeling was the more I pitched, the stronger my
arm got over the course of the season, And it
was the same way in the game. I got stronger
as a game progress, not weaker. There was something to

(01:50:57):
be said about setting up batters from their first about too,
you know, third or fourth a bat. Why is it
we have so many injuries these days with pictures doing
less and not more. Isn't that the idea is that
you wanted to be able to preserve these arms, and
yet we have more injuries than ever as far as

(01:51:17):
are concerned. It's amazing, right, And we we talked about
the same thing with all the babying. I'll use the term.
People can hate me if they want. Everybody's got their
own trainer in all these sports, Like I got my
own guy. It's like, really okay, cool uh, And you
go through the process. But yeah, missing games, missing starts,
leading a start, a little bit of a blister. Guys

(01:51:39):
used to pitch throw the other fingers are falling off
and they used to pitch, and they walked up hill
both ways. No, I go those things. It's it's amazing
with all of the technological and medical advances that somehow
these guys are less healthy. Tommy John, Tommy John, Tommy John.
And then then you see Verlander, who missed like two
full years is come back at age thirty nine after

(01:52:02):
Tommy John and went to say young Award. I I
don't know, did you say that makes them that much
more special in the annals of history? Did you see
this Baylor basketball player in his comeback recently? I mean
he completely his knee explode. Yea complete because I had
a huge wouldn't they wouldn't sign off medical forms whatever,

(01:52:27):
told me, hey, you're done with anything competitive. We're not
signing off because if it blows, it's on us. See
this is this is This is why I get upset
when people talk about excluding people from halls of fame
because of performance enhancing drugs. I don't know what they're
using in terms of the healing of some of these players.

(01:52:52):
Remember Adrian Peterson, I mean that was a complete blowout
of the knee and it comes back. It was an
m v P, but its performance enhancing. I don't care.
I don't None of this matters to me, none of it.
I want my athletes to be bigger stronger, fast, or
whatever they can do to be better. I don't care

(01:53:13):
by artificial means. That means nothing to me. But do
you take advantage of that great If you don't, that's
your choice. It doesn't mean anything to me. An integrity
of the game, but I hear that every time out
of baseball, Well, they were jeopardizing in the integrity of
the game. You mean the integrity of sport that banned
an entire race of people for sixty years. That's the
you're worried about the integrity of that sport. So many,

(01:53:36):
so many caveats to what what integrity means as related
to and defined in Major League Baseball or any other sport,
but certainly for baseball. It's like, if it's getting a
guy back in his rehab, should he just have to
wait at home and see if it heals naturally? Isn't
it at all? Isn't that what performance Wire made it clear?
He had two years where he was wiped out because
because of injuries. Get me healthy, and then he got

(01:53:59):
on the stuff like see you know he's being hailed
as the savior baseball. He's excluded from the Hall of Fame.
Come on, rise me absolutely now all right, what's gonna
transpire as far as the NBA All Star Game? Who's
gonna be the first of these NFL Court of x
to actually sign on with another tip. We've got a
lot of questions that to be answered in a short

(01:54:21):
amount of time. This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Hartman
and Mike Harmon, Hi Buddy, Steve Hartman and Mike Harmon,
har harror live from the tire rack dot Com students.
I want to thank our crew today. Chris of course,
always comes in for the last hour, just sort of

(01:54:41):
pulls things together here after Iowa Sam leaves the room. Monsey,
of course brilliant is always uh. And then of course
there's Danny g who um by the way, he is
talking about his dominance in Arizona last week. I heard
you earlier with Jonas Danny dominance. Now he did? He
dominated the scene there? What does that mean? That could

(01:55:02):
mean so many different Were you the guy streaking at
the golf tournament? I think Jonas was talking about the
amount of steak and potatoes that we ate during the week,
not our performance on radio Row. Well here's what I
didn't understand it, So I got I sort of caught
in on this conversation about where all you were staying.
That was about Ben Maller. Yeah, so I I here. See,

(01:55:25):
I came on my own and I stayed with a friend,
so I didn't. I wasn't with everybody else, right, I
like the way your voice dipped what you said. So
I was there with a friend and um, but but
Danny you you said, well, what was the deal with
Ben's place? Ben? He uh, he had a choice of
like three different hotels, and Ben, being the trip advisory

(01:55:48):
pro that he is, he didn't He didn't review any
of the hotels. He just randomly selected one of the three.
I don't think he cares like he's one of those guys.
Were hotels a hotel and his wife gets there and
she's like, dude, somebody died in this room. We are
leaving immediately. Was their body on the ground or so

(01:56:14):
she books a new hotel for them, and she told Ben,
she said, you're gonna love this because it said in
the ad cannabis free. And he's like, that's kind of
a weird thing to advertise, right, So they get there,
she misread it it said cannabis friendly. So the entire
three days they were there. They were all of these

(01:56:36):
weed parties going on. I thought it was like freaking cannabis, Like,
you know, they like free cannabis with your room or
something like that. So they had a cannabis parties right right,
So bring bong, will travel. So that's why Ben was
so chill on radio road Friday. But you you were

(01:56:59):
hanging on. They sent us to Vegas for a couple
of days. We were at the Wind Hotel. So you
get it all ready for us next year for the
Super Bowl. I think we we sold it pretty well.
I never stayed at the win I had ever had either. Yeah,
I I felt like I took a decided step up
in class and had to dress appropriate way once, Like,
what do I got my bag? That makes me look

(01:57:19):
like it belonged here? I mean between Mandalay Bay and MGM.
I've I can't count how many times fights over the years. Yeah,
I see. I never got sent for any of that. Yeah,
so we were the lead. We did, uh the reconnaissance
mission for next year's Super Bowl. We had one of
the the president of the board on to talk about
all their plans between the F one race into Super

(01:57:41):
Bowl prep. Wow, the infrastructure being built and yeah, it's
it's it's some interesting stuff. I gotta get to Allegiance Stadium. Uh, Danny,
you've obviously been at Legion Stadium. How does that compare
to let's say, so far, how does it compare? I
think I've mentioned to you before. It doesn't have that
crazy in line where you feel like if you one

(01:58:02):
false step and you can plunge to your death onto
the field. Yeah, it's the year of living danger. And
the food a hundred times better. At the first time
I went to literally was not edible, Like the second
time was better. But what that's not saying a whole lot?
All right, So while we're here now, you know Danny

(01:58:24):
obviously is our resident Raiders, So Mike, I want you
to tell him right now so there's no more suspense.
Who is the Raiders starting quarterback going to be Game one?
Emerged from darkness and go right back into a black hole?
Aaron Rodgers is gonna be a quarterback? That's what it
feels like. Wow, Okay, so what either stays in Green
Bay or he's there and the staying in Green Bay

(01:58:47):
while it's still the betting favorite right now, alright, So
he's and with Davante Adams, which obviously is a good thing.
But how much are the Raiders giving up in that deal? See,
that's the curiosity, right, based on that contract. That's that's
where it all right, how much? How much play he's
gonna have to rewhere? He's not gonna get paid fifty
one but that But that's the thing. There's a lot
that has to go into the reworking. So I don't

(01:59:09):
know that the ask price has to be so prohibitive.
I don't know, Danny. Are are they in a position?
I mean, if he wants upfront money to make the contracts,
he doesn't have any money. They do have a lot
of salary cap to work with going into next season.
But you're right, the question is do you use your

(01:59:31):
draft capital to move up and maybe get a C. J.
Stroud and then you've got at least four seasons to
build around a guy like that? Where do you go
for the immediate hit with Rogers? Well, you go for
the immediate hit. If you think an immediate hit, Yeah,
the leads leading rusher, Davante Adams, you gotta get. Well,
that's another question. How much money are you going to
offer him? Well, then they need to go to work

(01:59:53):
right now, yesterday on that defense. Bulk that defense up. Now.
Do you have much faith in I mean the a
f C. West. You got the Chiefs sitting alone. When
you look at the Chargers, the Broncos and the Raiders, Wow,
there's so many. Stay healthy. You got a lot of
talent on both sides of the ball. I need a

(02:00:16):
training staff. I care less about the talent company, and
I need guys to keep it. When I look at
the recovery of that hand of yours, that's the only
doctor I need. Thanks Mike. Keep it air on Fox
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