February 22, 2023 • 31 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental health podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today's episode, we are bringing beautiful Thailand to the podcast with the founders of Kamalaya John and Karina Stewart. Sit back, relax, take a deep breath, and listen about this magical place that saved my life!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glazer, welcome ingang two Unbreakable, a mental
health podcast with Jay Glazer. Luckily I'm Jay Glazer. For
those who have walked this walk and me for a while,
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I've talked very openly about my experience in Thailand this
year when I went out on a mental health journey
if you will, mind body, spirit, and I came across
the place called Kamalia. And that's why I did this
work that I've been talking about so much. And I said,
you know what, it happened this podcast instead of me
just talking about what I've learned out there at Kamalia.
So I said, why don't we bring a little Thailand
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to the Unbreakable podcast right now? And with it, I
want to bring in the founders here, John Karna Stewart
from Kamalaia. Appreciate you joining me. Thank you. We're honored
to be here. Jay, thank you so much. So tell
me how you came about. So Kamalia saved my life.
It ought me to really heal the inner child in me.
What people may not know is right before I went
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to Kamalia. The Mayo Clinic was telling me they didn't
think I was going to make it this year because
of inflammation, and all my tests were showing that I
was gonna have a heart attack, and my cholesterol was
through the ceiling. My inflammation markers were showing that I
was not going to make the football season, and I
had to do something dramatic, and I knew I needed
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to go somewhere and get help, and I needed someplace
where I was going to get help, like I said, mind, body,
and spirit and learn how to heal myself from the
inside out instead of just throwing you know, Western pharmaceuticals
at myself. I came upon Kamalia. How did you all
and why don't we describe Kamalia to people out there?
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And how did you come up with Kamalia? Thank you Jay.
The story of Kamalia goes back quite a way because
I was a monk in an Indian tradition. I lived
in the Himalayas for twenty six years, and I was
a monk for sixteen years living in a remote part
of the Himalayas and learning really the service that helping
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people is what really makes us happy. And it was
during that time that I met Karina. She came from
Princeton University. She flew over to India to do a
meditation retreat with my teacher, and I met her at
that time, and both of us spent our life studying
Asian traditions and trying to pick up or not just trying,
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but picking up some of the missing pieces that we
have now in the West about community and relationship to
nature and how to really find that deeper part inside
of ourselves that gives us true health and happiness. And
I think that Kamalaya is We describe it as a
wellness sanctuary because you were there, Jay, It's really you
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enter and you're basically entering another realm where you're really
immersed in nature, where the architecture allowed you to feel
close to the elements. You're not camping by any means,
but that sense of your senses are engaged. You're smelling
and hearing and touching, and you're stimulated by all your
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senses to be very present. And then we provide the
food that promotes healing. You talked about inflammation, so the
nutrition concept has a lot of science behind it, but
at the same time, it's incredibly enjoyable. You're not you
don't feel like you're depriving yourself because I think with humans,
the pleasure principle is really strong. I mean, that's just
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the way it is. And so we create this environment
where it's really easy to step in more deeply into
practices and habits and choices. It sounds simple, but it's
a very multilayered ecosystem. It's what I would call a kamelon.
I think I'm your typical person who came out there.
When I say, when I went out there, I'm like, Okay,
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what are the restaurants around there? I'm going to tie
it on vacation and you know where else am I
going to go? And then all of a sudden, you
guys like no, no, if there's no TVs, there's you
don't really leave the property. I'm like, wait, well what
and they're like, yeah, you kind of put your cell
phone in the safe, and I'm like, put my cell
phone in the safe. And it takes about five days
to really start. Well, it took me five days I
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think to learn how to unplug. The digital detox was
as bad as anything else I did. Yes, yes, yes,
So you're you're touching on a really important point, which
is depending on what culture you're coming from and depending
on how the pace of your life, it takes anywhere
from three to five days to sort of for all
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that I'm going to say. It's like letting out the
internal pressure enough that you actually arrive. And the lack
of technology is part of it, you know, the digital
detox is one part. For sure. There no TV's in
the room, but there's so much that is happening with
the physical activities and the classes and the treatments, and
without you realizing it, you're quite I engaged you, and
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you don't miss what's not there. Initially it's an adaptation,
and the guests to come a land noticed, oh that's
a newcomer. They don't have some you know. I saw
that five six days in. You know again, I went
in with this scowl, and then all of a sudden,
five days in, six days in, I would see people
show up at the same scowl, going oh that was me. Wow,
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I was like that, and I noticed the wrinkles started
going my eyes a little bit more. But first line
that I heard there, so I got up. You guys,
you know, you had like dinner waiting for me, and
an anti inflammatory food. Now, let me just go into this.
Before I went, I did three different blood tests to
find out what foods were causing me inflammation. An inflammation
could be itchiness, could be you know, and could put
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stress in our hearts, could be allergiess just so many
different things, and there were things that you would never
ever imagine. And if I didn't do, come alive like
and I do the same. I own a gym, called
them breakable. We have a nutritionist who does one of
the three blood tests that you guys do for inflammation,
but turns out that the things that cause me the
most inflammation are spinach, lemon, green apples, like things that
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are so incredibly healthy and they're killing me. Right. But
I don't think people understand even the food part of it.
And the food part is so important to you. Tell
everybody out there who can't afford to go to kamalaya,
are there anything that hey, you know that basically these
can help anti inflammation wise or inflammatory. That's take them out.
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So most people know. But I'll repeat it because I
think it needs to be said. But sugar, and every
form of refined sugar needs to be eliminated if you're
going to reduce inflammation. And we know it, we hear it,
but it's hidden in so many different ways in our
salad dressings, in you know, sauces that people use, So
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it's not just sugar adding sugar, but the desserts, the
processed food. So reading the labels and just really making
it a point to reduce the amount of sugar in
the diet is probably the first thing. Right up there
with that are the wrong kinds of fats, and we
hear that also, but the trans fats really really really
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are very damaging and inflammatory for most people. Those would
be like right at the top of the list. The
quality of fats that we eat affect the cellular membranes,
affect our brain, and we're talking about mental health. There's
also physiological components to mental health. So I would say
probably those two things will have the grat Yeah, So
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I would say, you know, the healthy fats are, of
course the olive oils and the coconut oils and butter.
But if you want the butter to be very clean
and pure organic, not full of hormones and antibiotics, grass
fat which is costly, and nuts and seeds and avocado,
you know, in their natural form, right, it is as
much as possible rather than extracted. When we improve the
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quality of our fats and we reduce sugars, the amount
of inflammation that is reduced in the body is dramatic
and that affects our mental health. See people think of
inflammation as you know, I have a headache or my
joint sir, or I'm sort true, heart disease absolutely true,
autoimmune disease, true, But the impact on our mental health
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from inflammation is also very well documented and a close correlation.
So this has a huge impact on our sense of life,
on what it feels like to be about your second
brain exactly. But God is the second brain, and it
starts very very young. I mean, studies have been done
that children from the age of twelve to fifteen, and
they're they're eating lots of French fries and lots of
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bad fats, and the children who are eating salads and
more fresh foods, their intellectual development, their IQ development of
the difference is like twenty to thirty percent already as
a youth. So we start doing this to ourselves very young.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna keep my own experiences again
rises For about ten years, I was on an injectable
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and a pill just to stop or slow the spread down. Yeah,
and so it didn't clear it up. We're just slowing
the spread. I went out Kamalaya. I took these inflammatory
foods out, the refined sugar, these kind of fats and
you know, the foods that I realized were acting as
an inflammation for me. I just took these out. Within
seventeen days, my psoriasis was completely cleared up and is
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still cleared up to this day. Incredible. Yeah, you've hurt
the phrase, and you know, I'm sure you've hurt the phrase.
And people are more and more familiar with the frase
that food for healing and food is medicine. It's real,
it's absolutely real. And by contrast, food can be poison.
Whatever you're allergic to, it's going to be a poison
and it's not the same for everybody. So food allergy
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testing is brilliant. What other foods are great anti inflammatory
for people? Well, I think the gingers. Again, if you're
not allergic, let's just say broadly, let's right, yes, broadly,
that would be great. Ginger is a super anti inflammatory
cinnamon is incredible at resensitizing as to insulin at a
cellular level. Tumor in my book is one of my
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favorites because it works on the liver and on inflammation,
so helping the liver also metabolize better. Rosemary is also excellent.
These are all earths that are easy to include in
our food and our diet and teas. The Omega three fats,
so eating fish at the highest quality like sardines as
opposed to bigger fish. But salmon is famous for it,
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but getting real wild caught salmon is an issue nowadays
and the salmon qualities a little less. So. The Omega
threes are excellent anti inflamatories, one of the best, and
they have a tremendous mental health benefit for the same
reason for the anti inflammation properties and the brain needs
a lot of these healthy fats. Those would be at
the top of my list. You guys also use a
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lot of supplement out there. When I did my tea
DOX program, what the supplements do you love that can
help mental health watch? Those are some of the Omega threes,
THNN and green tea. If you notice we take you
off coffee and that kind of stimulation, but you are
allowed green tea which does have caffeine, but it also
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is a CNN which is very calming to the nervous system.
So though it has some caffeine, it also is an
inside and minerals magnesium, calcium, all the minerals, especially magnesium,
is also very calming to the nervous system. I recommend
Roiba's tea, which is m is amazingly high in minerals,
so it's calming. And another supplement that is used by
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some people is Gaba gammaino gutter caium. We do it
as a mulberry leaf tea. We kind of way, I
prefer to do it as much as possible in its
natural state. When we can't find it in its natural state,
then we will see. Yeah, yeah, I've used gaba. I've
used magnesium to kind of calm down my nervous system
a bunch. Obviously the Americas, you guys kind of got
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me on that a little bit. I want to, you know,
kind of go back to something that we started with
here and I realized and we just glazed over this.
We started this whole conversation with John you saying that
you were monk in India, all those years. It happened
from my graduation night in California from high school that
I met. I met an Indian man who told me
that there was a master in the Himalayas who could
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answer all my questions and that could understand really who
I was. And I was so amazed at the idea
that that was even possible that I ran away from
home to go to India. So really that's how it started.
Did your parents think you're going off to college or
the army or something that he had done off my rocker?
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They thought I had done off my rocker. Hells tell
me they are not experience. I arrived into the Himalayas
and I had to walk a half a day into
a remote part of the Himalayas where my teacher was
living on a little hillside beside a ribbon. And when
I met him, I just kind of talk. I was
walking up this river and talking myself out of the
whole idea that maybe this wasn't the right idea, this
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was a little too remote for me. But then I
met him and I touched him, I mean I shook
his hand, and the experience was just kind of overwhelmed me.
And he told me that he had been waiting for me,
and that I should shave my head, and he put
me in a cave and that night, that night he
spoke to me, he spoke to the all the students
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around him, and said that this young man had come
from the from the western countries. He's come from a
wealthy western country, and he's come here to take care
of you, and he will be your doctor from now on.
And so the day I arrived, I was his guest,
and the next morning I was his host. And for
the next sixteen years I took care of everybody who arrived.
I built schools, I built hospitals, starting out carrying just
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rocks and building things out of rocks and mud and
grass roofs all the way up till we built big
concrete buildings and eventually a road. We had no electricity,
And I learned to live by through the relationship with
myself and other people. And you know, so month life
was getting up at three o'clock in the morning, bathing
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in a cold river, spending three or four hours practicing
prayer and meditation, then doing a whole day of hard work,
eating only one time a day, and really learning that
service makes you happy, and that how to focus your energy,
how to focus your breath. One of the first things
he taught me was the breathing exercises and that I
had to do that every day. It became a cornerstone
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and foundation block for my knife. And then he just
day by day cleaning out all the emotional stuff that
I had buried when I listened to you talk and
a few things that we've shared on the phone in
the past and all of us have, it's all buried
inside there. And then you do this work and this
day by day you peel off all the layers until
they're not obstacles anymore. What was the happiest part of
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being I'm sure people gonna listen and say due date
once a day and bathed in a cold river and
out to you know, sit there and pray for four hours,
which it's not add conducer but hard work. But it
sounds like you were happy when you were there. I
was the happiest of my whole life. And the first
happiness was that you made such a difference to other
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people's lives. I mean, when I went into the jungle
there that was a community of people who lived in
a barter community, they didn't have money, they didn't have
electricity or roads, and we made such a difference to
their lives. And I tell you, when you have the
memory of somebody looking at you with gratitude and saying
thank you to you, that is more precious than any
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memory of getting a new watch or a new car.
I tell you, it's good. It's the ultimate. I also
met Kamina there. He came from Princeton University, walked up
those riverbed and we met, and I wrote letters to
her for eleven years when she left. And then later
my teacher said to me, now you've done all of this.
I've taught you through experience. Now go get married and
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build something, and only then you'll really understand what I
taught you. And I went to America found Karina, and
then we created Kamalaya. And that's my God. So that's
I guess I should say. My teacher said to me,
people come to me to see miracles, but I will
teach you how to create them. And he taught me,
through focusing my energy and doing good things, that I
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could create anything in this life. I got the woman
that I wanted and build Kamalaya. So those are how
do you make miracles come true. That's amazing. In my
book that I wrote, Unbreakable, I write these. I wrote
about these pillars that get me through our mental health issues,
and one of them is exactly what you're talking about,
being of service. Being of service when I'm in the gray,
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being of service gets me to come through that gray
and see the blue. And it's it's being of service
can come in so many ways in your way is beautiful.
And I just want to add Jay that also, I
suffered terrible health crisiss at the time that we were
starting Kamalaya. Just before we started Kamalaiya, I was given
only ninety day is to live. I had my liver
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shot from hepatitis that I had gotten when I was
a kid and carried it all those years in India
without knowing it. And Koreaa took care of me, made
my health protocols and and I came back from that.
That's how we started coming live. It was kind of
like we have a new life, and do you start
it for you as much as anything? Oh yeah, absolutely.
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We've had about fifty thousand people come through our programs. Now,
how many is that? About fifty thousand people? Have been
through our programs. Now, wow, amazing is there any of
those people? Are just stories that resonate more for you,
I'd say, oh my god, this one. Wait, wait till
I tell you this one. We have a million of them. Oh,
you have so many people. I think your story, Jay. Honestly,
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I didn't know all of the little details. You know,
Johnny should a little bit, but you know, you had
physical things, and you had emotional and like you said
about your inner child and then the mental I mean
that you you're the poster child. You know, there are many, many,
many people whose lives have been irrevocably changed for the better.
And you can hear from John's story that's you know.
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I chose to be a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine
for very same reasons, wanting to make a difference, wanting
to make a contribution wherever we would be in the world.
And Kamalaya is the blessing in our lives that we
get to offer to others. You know, that's really where
we come from. I don't know if I told you this,
but the very very very first day I come and again,
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you guys came my soup the night before and I
got the next morning, and because I also have sleep issues,
I went out there for your sleep program. You have
a sleep program to teach us how to sleep, because
I've been I'm ambient for thirty years. And the very
first interaction I had, I go to breakfast and then
I go to do a meditation, which my previous attempts
at meditating did not go well. And that's the add
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And I walk in and the monk who is leading
it looks at me and says, oh, you're a lot
of pain. How to start loving yourself? And I'm kind
of looking like this dude's talking to me. It's just me.
So I wore it. I wore the trauma and the
and wore the pain and I'm like my face pretty clearly.
But when he said it to me, I just started crying.
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Of course, it's incredible that he just said it right
to you like that, you know, it was the right moment. Yep. Yeah,
there was a lot of moments that that I you know,
I cried and I you know, shared with people and
one of the things I'd learned and I did sit
for a few days, and it was amazingly one of
the things they taught me. They said hey, we want
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you to sit in your pain. And I said, I
sit my pain every day. And I wasn't very nice
to your monks, by the way, at first, because I
was so self loathing. Yeah, and I think a lot
of people come out there and they want answers now right,
and then when I don't get the answer, I'm looking
for him now, yeah, frustrate. So they said, you know,
we want you to sit in your pain for a
few days. And I said, I sit in my pain
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every day. They said, no, you experience your pan every
day like you don't sitting it. We want you to
sit in it and grieve it and heal it. And
I didn't understand what they were talking about until I did.
I sat there and I said, okay, what I mean?
And I just started thinking about the worst things that
I have gone through one and then I said, when
you sit in your pain, and I called myself Jason
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growing up, not Jay. So we want you to to sit
in your pain, really feel it, and hold little Jason's
hand and put your arm around him and show him
compassion because it doesn't feel like he's at me. That
was I've repeated this story to half the NFL and
You've seen the baddest dudes and the crap planet cry
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when I tell them this, And I learned that from
your people. That's powerful and beautiful and so healing, so healing.
We I feel that our mentors are just the greatest
healing balmb what they offer the wisdom, and they're so gentle, gentle,
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just like when you're sharing it. You know, we could
feel that kindness that you felt for little Jason, And
I would say that the invitation is there for our
guests when they come to step in because it's a
very non threatening environment. I mean, you might have been
looking for answers and where were they an impatient But
the minute he said that to you, it struck a
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chord and it was said in a such a kind
way that there was no resistance to that that gentle hand.
I think that's what we all need more of. I
really really do. Yeah. I think we could do it
for each other, like you don't have to be a
monk to just exactly no day today, when when we're
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talking about what can help, I really believe we can
talk about you know, the herbs, We can talk about
many things, but being kinder to ourselves, which then extends
to being kinder, gentler to others. We can still be
rough and tumble, we can still do all that stuff,
but it's okay sometimes to wear a different hat. I
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know what just me the most in my life is
the gentleness of people's humanity because people come and drop
their armor. We like to say, people drop their armor
they feel safe. And in those first three or four
days when you're going through the transition, arriving there and
you realize it's actually safe to become vulnerable, that each
guest becomes the teacher of each guest. Yeah, and then
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we find out how wonderful we all are because we're
not fighting with the world. We're surrendered to it. And
then relationships, many friendships get made it coming ad that
become lifelong friendships. And I experience that, and it's so
odd for me because I live in a world here
where i'm my life is an under a microscope, so
I am and I have social anxiety. So when I
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go out, even though I seem like the life of
the party on TV and I am the life of
the party with my crew, I don't talk to anybody
when I go out. I'd stay away. I tend to
pull away. If I'm on a party, I really pull away.
And I work with the guy here near Michael Stray
and I said, hey, said to him one day, why
don't we become the guys that who used to want
to be seeing in the middle of the bar, And
now we're hiding in the back of the bar. And
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that's how my life is. And a Kamalaya day four
or five, I just started talking to people and no
one cared who I was. The ego part for me
went away, and when I was able to check that ego,
I just started talking to people again like a normal
human being. And I appreciate that that It was a
gift for me to just connect with people again, because
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now with social media, people talk to you differently. They
talk to you the way they tweet at you, and
at least that's when that's most of my interaction with
people now are what are people tweeting about me? What
are they saying about me? And then people talk to
you the same kind of bombastic way now And Kamalaia
was just such a wow. What a difference for me
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to just connect with humans again. How about that to
not look at my phone anymore and instead look up
and like, wow, just connect with humans again. That was
That was magical for me, and it's incredibly healing. We
are social beings, right, and so anything that enriches the
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social interactions, whatever that takes, it's helpful. We talk about
what's helpful putting away the digital toys periodically taking breaks,
like the quality of our live interactions are more meaningful
and more real, like you said, being fully human again,
instead of whatever we become when we're on our phones
and our technology all the time. Our teacher said to me,
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you know, people come here to learn how to be spiritual,
but my job is to teach you how to become human.
I always thought that was that was it, That was
that was enough. I guess some of my struggles too,
were when I came back, I was on the plan
for a while and then I fell off. What are
some tools I could use to remain human? If you
will outside Kamalaya, I think if we prioritize, since we've
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been talking about our relationships, I would say that I
would say, really priorities the quality over the quantity of relationships,
whether it's that one person that you can touch base
with on a regular basis where you feel you can
be the version of yourself that you've touched into and
you want to keep alive. I think that's really important
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that buddy, that life partmates. Yes, your teammates, that's it,
the one or two, But it's about the quality. It's
about the intimacy and vulnerability. You know, to talk about
the things you talk about is incredibly vulnerable, really, and
so that's important number one. Number two, I think the
daily ritual. I heard your interview with Michael Felt, which
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I thought was fabulously beautiful. We both did. It's super
and you share there that you do your your little
morning practice of breathing right and you're doing a bit
of meditating. And again it's not quantity, it's the quality.
You're doing a few minutes, but you're doing it regularly.
The breathing, the gratitude, the remembering what's good in our lives.
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So whatever that is, whichever one of those little practices,
but make it stick, make a little commitment to it.
It's a daily thing and you build from that. And
I personally would say for me the number three is
do eliminate the things in terms of what we take,
what we ingest, what we drink, what we eat, that
our inflammatory for us, whether it's like in your case, spinach,
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the green apples, the lemons. In my case, definitely, I
highly recommend the sugars and the transa get them out gluten.
Huge connection between the microbiome and the brain and gluten
inflammation markers. And then I just want to draw on
something that John in his all those years in the
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remote Himalayas spend time in nature. He was immersed in nature,
and the jungles Kamalaia is just full jungle nature. Spend
time in nature. Really just spend a little bit of time,
even in the middle of winter. You can see a
nature film or photographs of nature that helps us and
our mental health and well being. Denmarkist an amazing work
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on mental health by just immersing people who are literally
so depressed they're catatonic. Immersing them in nature thirty days
in a row and they start to be able to
be functional again. I mean just nature. Yeah, So there
are little things we can do instead of you know,
driving right up to your office, park it a few
balks away and walk through that, you know, little patches
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green love that love that John Well, I think that's
reconnecting with nature. Reconnecting with your friends, doing a little
bit of breathing, you know, breathing as you're doing those
breathing exercises. Now, very simple breathing exercises, starting with something
so simple as just sitting quietly, taking in a very long, slow,
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deep breath and exhaling it at about twice the length
that you inhale to, like inhale with four breaths and
exhale with aid. Doing that three or four times, it
completely resets you and connects you back with what's going
on inside of you. It turns you from an outer
experience to an inner experience. And we know and the
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science shows that just a little bit of work with
your breath drops your cartazol levels by twenty to thirty percent. Wow,
that's something people need to do, like five times a day,
just five minutes, five minutes, five times a day. You know,
at the end of the day, before you're going to
go home to see your wife and kids, that you
breathe a few minutes in the car so that when
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you get home you can enjoy them instead of bringing
the office home with you when you have a rough
interaction anytime during the day, sitting for a couple of minutes,
two or three minutes is enough sometimes if you do
it as a regular practice to completely just take those
stressors away and bring us back to a heartful moment,
because in the end, life is a bunch of heartbeats.
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That's what we have, That's what brings it be need
is it also a way It's just hey, let's calm
our nervous system down. Yes, right, No, breathing is the
only way we have to calm our nervous system. Breathing
is the one the one tool that we have. But
we can always just right, it's always at our disposal. Yeah,
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it's always there, right, We don't have to go and
find a magnesium where the green tea or right whatever,
right right, right, right, right right before I let you go,
give us anything that we've missed her that maybe you
want to impart. For our listeners, I would say gratitude.
We're grateful that you came and took the chance to
experience something like Kamalai a halfway around the world, and
we're super grateful to be able to talk about it
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with you, that you've shared so much of your journey
with people to help and let we get the opportunity
to share a tiny little bit. And I think gratitude
is one of those keys, really, truly, deeply, gratitude is
one of those keys that unlocks a lot of possibility
out of the dark places. I just learned something today
about not only when I when I'm doing my gratitude list,
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which you guys taught me out there to write my
gratitude list, but then also write the feeling next to
something I'm grateful for. So this makes me happy, this
makes me, you know, this made me feel secure, This
made me feel lifted up, this made me feel powerful.
Then just put a feeling next to it. Beautiful. Yeah.
One other thing is when we compare ourselves as we're
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as we're human beings, we're always comparing ourselves to other
things and other people. So when we compare ourselves in
terms of our station in life, always look down because
then you can realize how lucky you really are. And
when you're comparing yourself to your achievements in life, always
look up so you realize how far there is to go.
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I love that well. I appreciate both you. I'm really
excited to see the two of you. You know. The
incredible part is, you know, for look God has blessed
me where where I do have the memes to go
to a place like I'm alive, but God has also
blessed me or I have a voice to then teach
others what I learned with my own pain, to try
and help others through theirs. I really appreciate you. God
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bless you both. Let's walking this walk together. It's a
great honor. Thank you.
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glazer, welcome ingang two Unbreakable, a mental
health podcast with Jay Glazer. Luckily I'm Jay Glazer. For
those who have walked this walk and me for a while,
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I've talked very openly about my experience in Thailand this
year when I went out on a mental health journey
if you will, mind body, spirit, and I came across
the place called Kamalia. And that's why I did this
work that I've been talking about so much. And I said,
you know what, it happened this podcast instead of me
just talking about what I've learned out there at Kamalia.
So I said, why don't we bring a little Thailand
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to the Unbreakable podcast right now? And with it, I
want to bring in the founders here, John Karna Stewart
from Kamalaia. Appreciate you joining me. Thank you. We're honored
to be here. Jay, thank you so much. So tell
me how you came about. So Kamalia saved my life.
It ought me to really heal the inner child in me.
What people may not know is right before I went
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to Kamalia. The Mayo Clinic was telling me they didn't
think I was going to make it this year because
of inflammation, and all my tests were showing that I
was gonna have a heart attack, and my cholesterol was
through the ceiling. My inflammation markers were showing that I
was not going to make the football season, and I
had to do something dramatic, and I knew I needed
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to go somewhere and get help, and I needed someplace
where I was going to get help, like I said, mind, body,
and spirit and learn how to heal myself from the
inside out instead of just throwing you know, Western pharmaceuticals
at myself. I came upon Kamalia. How did you all
and why don't we describe Kamalia to people out there?
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And how did you come up with Kamalia? Thank you Jay.
The story of Kamalia goes back quite a way because
I was a monk in an Indian tradition. I lived
in the Himalayas for twenty six years, and I was
a monk for sixteen years living in a remote part
of the Himalayas and learning really the service that helping
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people is what really makes us happy. And it was
during that time that I met Karina. She came from
Princeton University. She flew over to India to do a
meditation retreat with my teacher, and I met her at
that time, and both of us spent our life studying
Asian traditions and trying to pick up or not just trying,
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but picking up some of the missing pieces that we
have now in the West about community and relationship to
nature and how to really find that deeper part inside
of ourselves that gives us true health and happiness. And
I think that Kamalaya is We describe it as a
wellness sanctuary because you were there, Jay, It's really you
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enter and you're basically entering another realm where you're really
immersed in nature, where the architecture allowed you to feel
close to the elements. You're not camping by any means,
but that sense of your senses are engaged. You're smelling
and hearing and touching, and you're stimulated by all your
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senses to be very present. And then we provide the
food that promotes healing. You talked about inflammation, so the
nutrition concept has a lot of science behind it, but
at the same time, it's incredibly enjoyable. You're not you
don't feel like you're depriving yourself because I think with humans,
the pleasure principle is really strong. I mean, that's just
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the way it is. And so we create this environment
where it's really easy to step in more deeply into
practices and habits and choices. It sounds simple, but it's
a very multilayered ecosystem. It's what I would call a kamelon.
I think I'm your typical person who came out there.
When I say, when I went out there, I'm like, Okay,
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what are the restaurants around there? I'm going to tie
it on vacation and you know where else am I
going to go? And then all of a sudden, you
guys like no, no, if there's no TVs, there's you
don't really leave the property. I'm like, wait, well what
and they're like, yeah, you kind of put your cell
phone in the safe, and I'm like, put my cell
phone in the safe. And it takes about five days
to really start. Well, it took me five days I
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think to learn how to unplug. The digital detox was
as bad as anything else I did. Yes, yes, yes,
So you're you're touching on a really important point, which
is depending on what culture you're coming from and depending
on how the pace of your life, it takes anywhere
from three to five days to sort of for all
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that I'm going to say. It's like letting out the
internal pressure enough that you actually arrive. And the lack
of technology is part of it, you know, the digital
detox is one part. For sure. There no TV's in
the room, but there's so much that is happening with
the physical activities and the classes and the treatments, and
without you realizing it, you're quite I engaged you, and
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you don't miss what's not there. Initially it's an adaptation,
and the guests to come a land noticed, oh that's
a newcomer. They don't have some you know. I saw
that five six days in. You know again, I went
in with this scowl, and then all of a sudden,
five days in, six days in, I would see people
show up at the same scowl, going oh that was me. Wow,
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I was like that, and I noticed the wrinkles started
going my eyes a little bit more. But first line
that I heard there, so I got up. You guys,
you know, you had like dinner waiting for me, and
an anti inflammatory food. Now, let me just go into this.
Before I went, I did three different blood tests to
find out what foods were causing me inflammation. An inflammation
could be itchiness, could be you know, and could put
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stress in our hearts, could be allergiess just so many
different things, and there were things that you would never
ever imagine. And if I didn't do, come alive like
and I do the same. I own a gym, called
them breakable. We have a nutritionist who does one of
the three blood tests that you guys do for inflammation,
but turns out that the things that cause me the
most inflammation are spinach, lemon, green apples, like things that
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are so incredibly healthy and they're killing me. Right. But
I don't think people understand even the food part of it.
And the food part is so important to you. Tell
everybody out there who can't afford to go to kamalaya,
are there anything that hey, you know that basically these
can help anti inflammation wise or inflammatory. That's take them out.
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So most people know. But I'll repeat it because I
think it needs to be said. But sugar, and every
form of refined sugar needs to be eliminated if you're
going to reduce inflammation. And we know it, we hear it,
but it's hidden in so many different ways in our
salad dressings, in you know, sauces that people use, So
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it's not just sugar adding sugar, but the desserts, the
processed food. So reading the labels and just really making
it a point to reduce the amount of sugar in
the diet is probably the first thing. Right up there
with that are the wrong kinds of fats, and we
hear that also, but the trans fats really really really
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are very damaging and inflammatory for most people. Those would
be like right at the top of the list. The
quality of fats that we eat affect the cellular membranes,
affect our brain, and we're talking about mental health. There's
also physiological components to mental health. So I would say
probably those two things will have the grat Yeah, So
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I would say, you know, the healthy fats are, of
course the olive oils and the coconut oils and butter.
But if you want the butter to be very clean
and pure organic, not full of hormones and antibiotics, grass
fat which is costly, and nuts and seeds and avocado,
you know, in their natural form, right, it is as
much as possible rather than extracted. When we improve the
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quality of our fats and we reduce sugars, the amount
of inflammation that is reduced in the body is dramatic
and that affects our mental health. See people think of
inflammation as you know, I have a headache or my
joint sir, or I'm sort true, heart disease absolutely true,
autoimmune disease, true, But the impact on our mental health
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from inflammation is also very well documented and a close correlation.
So this has a huge impact on our sense of life,
on what it feels like to be about your second
brain exactly. But God is the second brain, and it
starts very very young. I mean, studies have been done
that children from the age of twelve to fifteen, and
they're they're eating lots of French fries and lots of
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bad fats, and the children who are eating salads and
more fresh foods, their intellectual development, their IQ development of
the difference is like twenty to thirty percent already as
a youth. So we start doing this to ourselves very young.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna keep my own experiences again
rises For about ten years, I was on an injectable
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and a pill just to stop or slow the spread down. Yeah,
and so it didn't clear it up. We're just slowing
the spread. I went out Kamalaya. I took these inflammatory
foods out, the refined sugar, these kind of fats and
you know, the foods that I realized were acting as
an inflammation for me. I just took these out. Within
seventeen days, my psoriasis was completely cleared up and is
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still cleared up to this day. Incredible. Yeah, you've hurt
the phrase, and you know, I'm sure you've hurt the phrase.
And people are more and more familiar with the frase
that food for healing and food is medicine. It's real,
it's absolutely real. And by contrast, food can be poison.
Whatever you're allergic to, it's going to be a poison
and it's not the same for everybody. So food allergy
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testing is brilliant. What other foods are great anti inflammatory
for people? Well, I think the gingers. Again, if you're
not allergic, let's just say broadly, let's right, yes, broadly,
that would be great. Ginger is a super anti inflammatory
cinnamon is incredible at resensitizing as to insulin at a
cellular level. Tumor in my book is one of my
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favorites because it works on the liver and on inflammation,
so helping the liver also metabolize better. Rosemary is also excellent.
These are all earths that are easy to include in
our food and our diet and teas. The Omega three fats,
so eating fish at the highest quality like sardines as
opposed to bigger fish. But salmon is famous for it,
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but getting real wild caught salmon is an issue nowadays
and the salmon qualities a little less. So. The Omega
threes are excellent anti inflamatories, one of the best, and
they have a tremendous mental health benefit for the same
reason for the anti inflammation properties and the brain needs
a lot of these healthy fats. Those would be at
the top of my list. You guys also use a
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lot of supplement out there. When I did my tea
DOX program, what the supplements do you love that can
help mental health watch? Those are some of the Omega threes,
THNN and green tea. If you notice we take you
off coffee and that kind of stimulation, but you are
allowed green tea which does have caffeine, but it also
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is a CNN which is very calming to the nervous system.
So though it has some caffeine, it also is an
inside and minerals magnesium, calcium, all the minerals, especially magnesium,
is also very calming to the nervous system. I recommend
Roiba's tea, which is m is amazingly high in minerals,
so it's calming. And another supplement that is used by
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some people is Gaba gammaino gutter caium. We do it
as a mulberry leaf tea. We kind of way, I
prefer to do it as much as possible in its
natural state. When we can't find it in its natural state,
then we will see. Yeah, yeah, I've used gaba. I've
used magnesium to kind of calm down my nervous system
a bunch. Obviously the Americas, you guys kind of got
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me on that a little bit. I want to, you know,
kind of go back to something that we started with
here and I realized and we just glazed over this.
We started this whole conversation with John you saying that
you were monk in India, all those years. It happened
from my graduation night in California from high school that
I met. I met an Indian man who told me
that there was a master in the Himalayas who could
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answer all my questions and that could understand really who
I was. And I was so amazed at the idea
that that was even possible that I ran away from
home to go to India. So really that's how it started.
Did your parents think you're going off to college or
the army or something that he had done off my rocker?
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They thought I had done off my rocker. Hells tell
me they are not experience. I arrived into the Himalayas
and I had to walk a half a day into
a remote part of the Himalayas where my teacher was
living on a little hillside beside a ribbon. And when
I met him, I just kind of talk. I was
walking up this river and talking myself out of the
whole idea that maybe this wasn't the right idea, this
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was a little too remote for me. But then I
met him and I touched him, I mean I shook
his hand, and the experience was just kind of overwhelmed me.
And he told me that he had been waiting for me,
and that I should shave my head, and he put
me in a cave and that night, that night he
spoke to me, he spoke to the all the students
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around him, and said that this young man had come
from the from the western countries. He's come from a
wealthy western country, and he's come here to take care
of you, and he will be your doctor from now on.
And so the day I arrived, I was his guest,
and the next morning I was his host. And for
the next sixteen years I took care of everybody who arrived.
I built schools, I built hospitals, starting out carrying just
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rocks and building things out of rocks and mud and
grass roofs all the way up till we built big
concrete buildings and eventually a road. We had no electricity,
And I learned to live by through the relationship with
myself and other people. And you know, so month life
was getting up at three o'clock in the morning, bathing
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in a cold river, spending three or four hours practicing
prayer and meditation, then doing a whole day of hard work,
eating only one time a day, and really learning that
service makes you happy, and that how to focus your energy,
how to focus your breath. One of the first things
he taught me was the breathing exercises and that I
had to do that every day. It became a cornerstone
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and foundation block for my knife. And then he just
day by day cleaning out all the emotional stuff that
I had buried when I listened to you talk and
a few things that we've shared on the phone in
the past and all of us have, it's all buried
inside there. And then you do this work and this
day by day you peel off all the layers until
they're not obstacles anymore. What was the happiest part of
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being I'm sure people gonna listen and say due date
once a day and bathed in a cold river and
out to you know, sit there and pray for four hours,
which it's not add conducer but hard work. But it
sounds like you were happy when you were there. I
was the happiest of my whole life. And the first
happiness was that you made such a difference to other
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people's lives. I mean, when I went into the jungle
there that was a community of people who lived in
a barter community, they didn't have money, they didn't have
electricity or roads, and we made such a difference to
their lives. And I tell you, when you have the
memory of somebody looking at you with gratitude and saying
thank you to you, that is more precious than any
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memory of getting a new watch or a new car.
I tell you, it's good. It's the ultimate. I also
met Kamina there. He came from Princeton University, walked up
those riverbed and we met, and I wrote letters to
her for eleven years when she left. And then later
my teacher said to me, now you've done all of this.
I've taught you through experience. Now go get married and
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build something, and only then you'll really understand what I
taught you. And I went to America found Karina, and
then we created Kamalaya. And that's my God. So that's
I guess I should say. My teacher said to me,
people come to me to see miracles, but I will
teach you how to create them. And he taught me,
through focusing my energy and doing good things, that I
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could create anything in this life. I got the woman
that I wanted and build Kamalaya. So those are how
do you make miracles come true. That's amazing. In my
book that I wrote, Unbreakable, I write these. I wrote
about these pillars that get me through our mental health issues,
and one of them is exactly what you're talking about,
being of service. Being of service when I'm in the gray,
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being of service gets me to come through that gray
and see the blue. And it's it's being of service
can come in so many ways in your way is beautiful.
And I just want to add Jay that also, I
suffered terrible health crisiss at the time that we were
starting Kamalaya. Just before we started Kamalaiya, I was given
only ninety day is to live. I had my liver
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shot from hepatitis that I had gotten when I was
a kid and carried it all those years in India
without knowing it. And Koreaa took care of me, made
my health protocols and and I came back from that.
That's how we started coming live. It was kind of
like we have a new life, and do you start
it for you as much as anything? Oh yeah, absolutely.
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We've had about fifty thousand people come through our programs. Now,
how many is that? About fifty thousand people? Have been
through our programs. Now, wow, amazing is there any of
those people? Are just stories that resonate more for you,
I'd say, oh my god, this one. Wait, wait till
I tell you this one. We have a million of them. Oh,
you have so many people. I think your story, Jay. Honestly,
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I didn't know all of the little details. You know,
Johnny should a little bit, but you know, you had
physical things, and you had emotional and like you said
about your inner child and then the mental I mean
that you you're the poster child. You know, there are many, many,
many people whose lives have been irrevocably changed for the better.
And you can hear from John's story that's you know.
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I chose to be a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine
for very same reasons, wanting to make a difference, wanting
to make a contribution wherever we would be in the world.
And Kamalaya is the blessing in our lives that we
get to offer to others. You know, that's really where
we come from. I don't know if I told you this,
but the very very very first day I come and again,
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you guys came my soup the night before and I
got the next morning, and because I also have sleep issues,
I went out there for your sleep program. You have
a sleep program to teach us how to sleep, because
I've been I'm ambient for thirty years. And the very
first interaction I had, I go to breakfast and then
I go to do a meditation, which my previous attempts
at meditating did not go well. And that's the add
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And I walk in and the monk who is leading
it looks at me and says, oh, you're a lot
of pain. How to start loving yourself? And I'm kind
of looking like this dude's talking to me. It's just me.
So I wore it. I wore the trauma and the
and wore the pain and I'm like my face pretty clearly.
But when he said it to me, I just started crying.
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Of course, it's incredible that he just said it right
to you like that, you know, it was the right moment. Yep. Yeah,
there was a lot of moments that that I you know,
I cried and I you know, shared with people and
one of the things I'd learned and I did sit
for a few days, and it was amazingly one of
the things they taught me. They said hey, we want
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you to sit in your pain. And I said, I
sit my pain every day. And I wasn't very nice
to your monks, by the way, at first, because I
was so self loathing. Yeah, and I think a lot
of people come out there and they want answers now right,
and then when I don't get the answer, I'm looking
for him now, yeah, frustrate. So they said, you know,
we want you to sit in your pain for a
few days. And I said, I sit in my pain
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every day. They said, no, you experience your pan every
day like you don't sitting it. We want you to
sit in it and grieve it and heal it. And
I didn't understand what they were talking about until I did.
I sat there and I said, okay, what I mean?
And I just started thinking about the worst things that
I have gone through one and then I said, when
you sit in your pain, and I called myself Jason
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growing up, not Jay. So we want you to to sit
in your pain, really feel it, and hold little Jason's
hand and put your arm around him and show him
compassion because it doesn't feel like he's at me. That
was I've repeated this story to half the NFL and
You've seen the baddest dudes and the crap planet cry
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when I tell them this, And I learned that from
your people. That's powerful and beautiful and so healing, so healing.
We I feel that our mentors are just the greatest
healing balmb what they offer the wisdom, and they're so gentle, gentle,
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just like when you're sharing it. You know, we could
feel that kindness that you felt for little Jason, And
I would say that the invitation is there for our
guests when they come to step in because it's a
very non threatening environment. I mean, you might have been
looking for answers and where were they an impatient But
the minute he said that to you, it struck a
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chord and it was said in a such a kind
way that there was no resistance to that that gentle hand.
I think that's what we all need more of. I
really really do. Yeah. I think we could do it
for each other, like you don't have to be a
monk to just exactly no day today, when when we're
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talking about what can help, I really believe we can
talk about you know, the herbs, We can talk about
many things, but being kinder to ourselves, which then extends
to being kinder, gentler to others. We can still be
rough and tumble, we can still do all that stuff,
but it's okay sometimes to wear a different hat. I
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know what just me the most in my life is
the gentleness of people's humanity because people come and drop
their armor. We like to say, people drop their armor
they feel safe. And in those first three or four
days when you're going through the transition, arriving there and
you realize it's actually safe to become vulnerable, that each
guest becomes the teacher of each guest. Yeah, and then
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we find out how wonderful we all are because we're
not fighting with the world. We're surrendered to it. And
then relationships, many friendships get made it coming ad that
become lifelong friendships. And I experience that, and it's so
odd for me because I live in a world here
where i'm my life is an under a microscope, so
I am and I have social anxiety. So when I
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go out, even though I seem like the life of
the party on TV and I am the life of
the party with my crew, I don't talk to anybody
when I go out. I'd stay away. I tend to
pull away. If I'm on a party, I really pull away.
And I work with the guy here near Michael Stray
and I said, hey, said to him one day, why
don't we become the guys that who used to want
to be seeing in the middle of the bar, And
now we're hiding in the back of the bar. And
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that's how my life is. And a Kamalaya day four
or five, I just started talking to people and no
one cared who I was. The ego part for me
went away, and when I was able to check that ego,
I just started talking to people again like a normal
human being. And I appreciate that that It was a
gift for me to just connect with people again, because
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now with social media, people talk to you differently. They
talk to you the way they tweet at you, and
at least that's when that's most of my interaction with
people now are what are people tweeting about me? What
are they saying about me? And then people talk to
you the same kind of bombastic way now And Kamalaia
was just such a wow. What a difference for me
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to just connect with humans again. How about that to
not look at my phone anymore and instead look up
and like, wow, just connect with humans again. That was
That was magical for me, and it's incredibly healing. We
are social beings, right, and so anything that enriches the
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social interactions, whatever that takes, it's helpful. We talk about
what's helpful putting away the digital toys periodically taking breaks,
like the quality of our live interactions are more meaningful
and more real, like you said, being fully human again,
instead of whatever we become when we're on our phones
and our technology all the time. Our teacher said to me,
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you know, people come here to learn how to be spiritual,
but my job is to teach you how to become human.
I always thought that was that was it, That was
that was enough. I guess some of my struggles too,
were when I came back, I was on the plan
for a while and then I fell off. What are
some tools I could use to remain human? If you
will outside Kamalaya, I think if we prioritize, since we've
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been talking about our relationships, I would say that I
would say, really priorities the quality over the quantity of relationships,
whether it's that one person that you can touch base
with on a regular basis where you feel you can
be the version of yourself that you've touched into and
you want to keep alive. I think that's really important
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that buddy, that life partmates. Yes, your teammates, that's it,
the one or two, But it's about the quality. It's
about the intimacy and vulnerability. You know, to talk about
the things you talk about is incredibly vulnerable, really, and
so that's important number one. Number two, I think the
daily ritual. I heard your interview with Michael Felt, which
(25:46):
I thought was fabulously beautiful. We both did. It's super
and you share there that you do your your little
morning practice of breathing right and you're doing a bit
of meditating. And again it's not quantity, it's the quality.
You're doing a few minutes, but you're doing it regularly.
The breathing, the gratitude, the remembering what's good in our lives.
(26:10):
So whatever that is, whichever one of those little practices,
but make it stick, make a little commitment to it.
It's a daily thing and you build from that. And
I personally would say for me the number three is
do eliminate the things in terms of what we take,
what we ingest, what we drink, what we eat, that
our inflammatory for us, whether it's like in your case, spinach,
(26:32):
the green apples, the lemons. In my case, definitely, I
highly recommend the sugars and the transa get them out gluten.
Huge connection between the microbiome and the brain and gluten
inflammation markers. And then I just want to draw on
something that John in his all those years in the
(26:53):
remote Himalayas spend time in nature. He was immersed in nature,
and the jungles Kamalaia is just full jungle nature. Spend
time in nature. Really just spend a little bit of time,
even in the middle of winter. You can see a
nature film or photographs of nature that helps us and
our mental health and well being. Denmarkist an amazing work
(27:15):
on mental health by just immersing people who are literally
so depressed they're catatonic. Immersing them in nature thirty days
in a row and they start to be able to
be functional again. I mean just nature. Yeah, So there
are little things we can do instead of you know,
driving right up to your office, park it a few
balks away and walk through that, you know, little patches
(27:37):
green love that love that John Well, I think that's
reconnecting with nature. Reconnecting with your friends, doing a little
bit of breathing, you know, breathing as you're doing those
breathing exercises. Now, very simple breathing exercises, starting with something
so simple as just sitting quietly, taking in a very long, slow,
(28:01):
deep breath and exhaling it at about twice the length
that you inhale to, like inhale with four breaths and
exhale with aid. Doing that three or four times, it
completely resets you and connects you back with what's going
on inside of you. It turns you from an outer
experience to an inner experience. And we know and the
(28:24):
science shows that just a little bit of work with
your breath drops your cartazol levels by twenty to thirty percent. Wow,
that's something people need to do, like five times a day,
just five minutes, five minutes, five times a day. You know,
at the end of the day, before you're going to
go home to see your wife and kids, that you
breathe a few minutes in the car so that when
(28:45):
you get home you can enjoy them instead of bringing
the office home with you when you have a rough
interaction anytime during the day, sitting for a couple of minutes,
two or three minutes is enough sometimes if you do
it as a regular practice to completely just take those
stressors away and bring us back to a heartful moment,
because in the end, life is a bunch of heartbeats.
(29:07):
That's what we have, That's what brings it be need
is it also a way It's just hey, let's calm
our nervous system down. Yes, right, No, breathing is the
only way we have to calm our nervous system. Breathing
is the one the one tool that we have. But
we can always just right, it's always at our disposal. Yeah,
(29:29):
it's always there, right, We don't have to go and
find a magnesium where the green tea or right whatever,
right right, right, right, right right before I let you go,
give us anything that we've missed her that maybe you
want to impart. For our listeners, I would say gratitude.
We're grateful that you came and took the chance to
experience something like Kamalai a halfway around the world, and
we're super grateful to be able to talk about it
(29:52):
with you, that you've shared so much of your journey
with people to help and let we get the opportunity
to share a tiny little bit. And I think gratitude
is one of those keys, really, truly, deeply, gratitude is
one of those keys that unlocks a lot of possibility
out of the dark places. I just learned something today
about not only when I when I'm doing my gratitude list,
(30:13):
which you guys taught me out there to write my
gratitude list, but then also write the feeling next to
something I'm grateful for. So this makes me happy, this
makes me, you know, this made me feel secure, This
made me feel lifted up, this made me feel powerful.
Then just put a feeling next to it. Beautiful. Yeah.
One other thing is when we compare ourselves as we're
(30:36):
as we're human beings, we're always comparing ourselves to other
things and other people. So when we compare ourselves in
terms of our station in life, always look down because
then you can realize how lucky you really are. And
when you're comparing yourself to your achievements in life, always
look up so you realize how far there is to go.
(30:58):
I love that well. I appreciate both you. I'm really
excited to see the two of you. You know. The
incredible part is, you know, for look God has blessed
me where where I do have the memes to go
to a place like I'm alive, but God has also
blessed me or I have a voice to then teach
others what I learned with my own pain, to try
and help others through theirs. I really appreciate you. God
(31:20):
bless you both. Let's walking this walk together. It's a
great honor. Thank you.
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