Mike Harmon and Dan Beyer talk Bucks & Lakers chances to win the title!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:22):
a half months through your playoffs. So get the bingo
cards out and all the crystal balls to see who's
going to be healthy when we actually raise things up
come mid June. But all of that to say, we're
heading towards the draft. Happy to be here once again,
my guy Dan Byer alongside me. It's a veritable Pope
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
It is great to be here. Mike. Yes, four games
in the NBA Playoffs on Saturday. For more today. I
know that you really wanted the Milwaukee Bucks for your
Chicago Bulls, but instead the Bucks get the heat today.
Probably I don't know, the least enticing game of the day.
I don't know, Maybe it's Minnesota and Denver, but on

(01:03):
the schedule of Clippers Suns with Lakers Grizzlies leading things off,
I'm excited for the Bucks playoff run. The start.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, the way you roll it through the Lakers being
in the early window weird. You know a lot of
people here in Los Angeles like we're the Lakers, Like, no,
you're the seventh seed. You still have Lebron and a
D but you're the seventh seed. And if that can
get people in for the day of activity, guess what
you need to draw on the front end, and you

(01:33):
need to draw on the back end. You got you
gotta have that sandwich, right, You need the bonds to
hold things together.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
And they at least I mean, if you want to
talk about stature, they got the National TV window game
and you know they got the ABC game. The other
ones will be on TNT tonight. But so like there's
at least that going for them. If the Lakers fans
have a bruised ego because of what time they play,
at least they're gonna be on network television when they

(01:59):
tip it off off today against Memphis. Although I don't
know if they're going to want people to see what
could happen to them today on.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
That We'll look at you. Are you going against the grain,
because right now the trendy pick for popular people is
Lakers Lakers late.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yes, I think I think today is going to be
tough for them.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yep, that the Grizz live up to their bites.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I don't think it's going to be a day that
they'll want to look back on and be like that
was a good day. I'm not saying the series is
over by any means, but I think it's going to
be very difficult today, a rough one for the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Big, big slate of action. We've got NBA playoff talk. Well,
we'll look at one of the rights of spring that
kind of came and went, at least from where I sat,
without a whole lot of fanfare except for the postscripts.
And that's spring games in college football. We've got the
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NBA playoffs. The day one gave us a couple of gems,
hotly contested games, and that game in Sacramento, Kings and
the Warriors put on a show. Di' aaron Fox as
they let me know if it was a drinking game.
I was under the table before we got to the
second quarter. Did you know it was d'arron Fox's first
playoff game? Did you know that? My goodness, the old

(03:35):
line of you're beating a dead horse. Uh, we didn't
even get to the second quarter. And it's like, all right,
we get it. He's having a fun run, a great performance,
and it's his first playoff game. It's our first basketball game.
And these guys don't play defense.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I kid you not. I kid you not. I watched
ninety six percent of the game. I mute and on
my phone because that's a good yes, because he was
me and the little guy hanging out for most of
the night, and so when he was it's it's not
that you can't well, it is you can't change the channel.
It's not that he's watching two and a half hours

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of whatever's on Nickelodeon or Disney or Miss Rachel or whatever.
It's the fact, Mike of that you if you change
the channel to something that you want when he's doing
everything else, is that's what may bother him. So I
did not get to hear everything, but I was watching everything,
and I did see stats pop up of you know,

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first game and first playoff game and saw second most
points of tied for second most points and someone in
their playoff debut behind Luka Dancic. Absolutely entertaining affair between
the Warriors and Kings. And one Mike, I thought, if
the Sacramento was gonna win Game one, it would be
in a way where they just took all the energy

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from the opening tip and just you know, it carried
them throughout forty eight minutes. Maybe it just wasn't the
Warriors night, but that wasn't the case. Like to rally
from down ten in the third quarter, late in the
third quarter and to have the lead back like that
and then you go toe for toe with them over
the you know, the final twelve minutes of the fourth quarter,

(05:18):
Like it was very, very entertaining, and even when you
step back and think about it, Wow, Warriors lose on
the road again, you know, like Sacramento scores a lot
of points and outscores their opponents.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
It was just playing the script.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, yeah, per season great from that point exactly. Yeah,
so it was for as great as the night was
as you're sitting there watching in the moment, when you
step back and look at it, as you said, it
played the script last night in Sacramento.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, the thing that struck me is the shots before
the game, right rolling through, they had more or less
an outdoor carnival celebrating this long awaited return to the
playoffs right seventeen years again, data points that you heard
countless times during the telecast, like we get it. And

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then for Doris Burch, she started getting a little bit
horse like, stop telling me it's deeron Fox's first time,
save your voice for that line. But in fantastic job.
Obviously it's the tongue in cheek. But you get Andrew
Wiggins back and outside of the three point arc, which
was clearly his kryptonite one of eight on the night,

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but it was a happy return for him. We saw
once again and you see it trending and like Jordan
Poole defense like he didn't play it, don't even type it,
like he doesn't pretend most of the time, and that
would come back to launt you in a series like this,
because you know Sacramento could score. I mean, they got
a subpar game from Sabonis and still hung around, right

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he was five or seventeen, came alive a little bit
in the fourth quarter, but it was the d'aron fox.
What's he gonna do next?

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, they were great warriors. Missed what thirty four threes
last night? There was there is? There was a lot
going up in that contest. You know what else was?
It was unique? Mike Well mentioned the Lakers being on
national national TV. What have the Sacramento Kings ever been
on network television? Like, when have they been on a.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, it would have been the equivalent of the Thursday
night package in the NFL when we had to hey,
here's the Jaguars when they're bad, or here's the Jaguars
of the Titans is the famous example.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I know the shop is the same, so I know
they have graphics, but just to see just to turn
on a game on ABC and see the Sacramento Kings,
I mean, I think that we were in the old
TV deal when they last made the playoffs. I believe
that was the case. Maybe I could be could be off,

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could be off on that, but I mean, it's it's
been a long long time, so you want to talk
about grabbing uh, the attention and having everything live up
to it. I think we thought Boston rich was going
to take care of the Hawks. They did. No, Boston
looked great. Uh Sixers against the Nets, Sixers looked fine.
Nixco winning Cleveland. That's a series that you think, no, no,

(08:14):
it could go six or seven games. But I did
think that this lived up to the billing, even though
I don't know if we expected it, because I don't
think we expected it, but a lot of this stuff
on the regular season did hold true. In Sacramento last night.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Just one of those where you get the beautiful heavyweight
fight kind of feel back and forth, so like, yeah,
texted you about it.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
It's when I was at WrestleMania a couple of weeks
ago and they had the big finale and the trading, blows,
near falls in the crowd rising and falling with each
of that. It felt the same way I was at
a restaurant finishing up a meal and watching that play,
and folks who didn't seem interested for much of the
game all of a sudden, wrapped the tension and getting

(08:57):
a bit loud as it wore down, and just following
it all the way through to the light the beam
and then looking at the crowd outside the arena look
like a championship parade, right that you want to talk
about a night game, one that gets you fired up

(09:18):
about the playoffs and what it means to finally be
back after all all of these years.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
You know, if I'm Sacramento as well, they weren't perfect
on the stretch, you know, in times where they needed
buckets there there. I know they're trying to get calls,
but there were some bricks you missed, you know, some
free throws at times. So you take that away, and honestly,
how many of us with two point nine seconds laughed out,
all right, they're going into overtime.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
He's gonna hit a shot. And he got a look. Yeah,
he had a look that he plays around with in
in pre game, and a.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Much better look than you know, and that's.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Missed that wide open yes, right where he was completely unattended.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yes, but you know, just even with two point nine
and you're down three and the crowd's clapping and doing
their thing. I'm thinking to myself, don't get too excited
right now because you're you're you could be two point
nine seconds away from from Steph Curry giving an extra
five minutes or Klay Thompson an extra five minutes, and
that doesn't go down. And that's, you know, to the

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point of maybe, all right, maybe this is and there
you know, there's a little bit more to this. This
this connection to the regular season in playoffs is much
more prevalent now in twenty twenty three than it was
even five years ago. There isn't a switch that's my
thing on April fifteenth. Yeah, you turn in your tax,
but there's not a switch that you can turn on
anymore in the NBA and be like, all right, we

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are who we are. I think the tough part with
the Warriors MIC is just finding out. I don't think
that we think that they're as good as they were
in the past, but it's who is going to beat them?
Like who? Like what is the team that's going to
step up? And the reason that I say it's what's
so difficult about it is I unfortunate. I expected maybe

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Sacramento would melt a little in the moment. Fold in
the moment, sure, and they did not. So now all
of a sudden, you see, Oh, that's how the Warriors
can be beaten. And that goes for not only Sacramento,
but any of the other six teams in the NBA
playoffs that could end up facing the Warriors. Is you
just expect, you know, a lot of times you're picking
games just oh, Warriors are the Warriors. It's not. It's

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not just that. It's when it comes down to it,
who's going to make shots in certain possessions, who's going
to get stops? And you always expect the Warriors to
do so. And I just I think last night was
a good night for the rest of the NBA, or
at least the West, the rest of the Western Conference
in terms of all right, if Golden State even would
win this series, I think that they've even losing by three,

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that there is a way that you can get past
them in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Well, and that's that's the thing. Coming into the Western
Conference playoffs. I think most folks have dismissed Denver Gagoraz
a number one seed. It doesn't matter. They're good, not great.
Lot Phoenix is the trendy pick and it always comes
back to the dot dot dot. If healthy, that's the
game we have to play in the NBA. First, to
your point about regular season holding into post, we'll see

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because we have so many of these teams that were
incomplete or reassembled, repurposed, repackaged, whatever, right. The Lakers a
much different team the last twenty five games. Now, the
regular season schedule did have its help points with what
they put. But you beat who's on the schedule right,
and you find your confidence, find your rotations, reinsert Lebron

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And unfortunately that means sometimes there's some ball watching and
guys standing around. But if he and Davis are healthy,
I think we all stipulate to the fact that they
can take over a game. Officials are what they are.
I mean, how many times did you see the deer
in the headlights in all of these games yesterday? Whenever
there was a review or something guys might have had
to explain, ye all looked like they were gonna wet themselves. Standards,

(13:00):
It's okay, it's okay, you made the call. Now tell
us and your face will become the meme of the moment.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
What you should you should? You should run a broadcasting
school for how to speak to the camera at the
scores table. You know, like there's a bit of broadcasting
to that, right, get a little bit too look at
the look at the camera, say it with emphasis, Speak clearly.
That's the way that you know, put a demo together.
Just have guys going up to a table talking into

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a camera. Good work on the side. Brought my podcast,
Mike Harmon's Referee Broadcast boot Camp.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
You made the call, be prepared to like, because the
one was the overturned foul, right, So it was a
call to reach in on Draymond and they went to
the subruder film and they decided that he got the
ball cleanly, so they reversed it. But because he's in Sacramento,
dude looked like he did not want the rain of
booze that was about to come. So he's just kind

(13:56):
of shifting back and forth, like just say it, saying
that he finally did and the cascade came down. Refuse, suck,
chance and everything else. Like you're a referee in the NBA,
you've had that moment. I've been court sided and not
frequently enough. It's one thing I think if anybody in
sports to treat yourself to something. As you go sit

(14:18):
court side of the game, particularly if there's a little
bit of bad blood, you'll hear more smack talk towards
everybody and everything, including the referee, and they take a
lot of abuse. I think that's the thing that's lost
on this. Like by the time they finally give someone
a TECH, unless it's early because there's history, by the
time they do it, they've taken a lot.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Of verga guys. Yes, just keep on talking and talking
and talking and talking and talking. It happens all the time. Now,
with all this being said, I did say that the
Warriors were one of four teams that have thought could
win the NBA title. Sons the other from the West,
Bucks and Celtics said with you. You know, there was

(14:59):
one Mike, there was one day where I thought, you
know what, maybe Milwaukee can get over on Boston. Started
thinking that way. And this is me as a Bucks fan.
And then the Celtics went and beat him by forty
at home.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, I remember that, But you want to know part
of those bulls No. Two, everything's up for man, the
detonator and the shiny red button's gonna get pushed by
the front.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
He would have been a rematch. You know, then they
played a season ago in the first round, so they
could have been you know, I don't want that familiarity.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
There was a lot of talent wasted in Chicago. That's
a lot of guys for what they got as an output. Yes, yeah, yes,
here's Kobe White. He's like, yeah, I'm done because I
think I can start for about twenty other and you
could yeah, yeah, no, you're right, you're limited, his minutes limited,

(15:49):
whatever reason, and then you've got the stars and then
marking in over there. I kept seeing his meme yesterday,
like this guy, I could have been like, yeah, so
say lovey, we get to dables up. Yeah, exactly. The
NBA playoffs later on Today. Last week we talked about

(16:09):
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ire of everybody involved. We got the decision late this week,
and maybe we can figure out how to correct this
problem for the future, because the NBA really didn't seem
to care. So maybe we could make him next. Here
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been on low these many years together updated episodes. We've
clipped off some things from the last couple of weeks shows,
and obviously with the draft imminent. Post draft, we'll reset
and do another one of those mock drafts where we
yell at each other and pick on Bershinger. We'll do that.

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But it's a fun and exciting world. We'll look at
it a little bit from a different angle as the
show goes on, Dan, but you know, it's one of
those things now swirling in the background. I'm starting to
print off, I got to go find my draft bibles
at maybe a little Barnes Noble Runner later on today.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, hopefully that those draft bibles had your Bears trading
their pick.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Well, no, they were printed in January. Yeah, like the
Fantasy magazine.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh absolutely. That's the one thing about the NFL pushing
their schedule back and having the draft like it's been
like a week later than what it used to be.
It felt like it was like the third week in April,
and now it's the final week in April and sometimes
goes into May. Was there were always the preseason football
magazines that around Memorial Day you go to the grocery

(18:48):
store and you're like, all right, let's be honest. It
was always Lindy's or Athlon. Oh yeah, they had the
first ones out Memorial Day weekend, late May, and the
NFL had their schedule out by then, the draft was
was well in place and you could put together a
preview magazine. However, now schedule doesn't come out until mid
May at times, and then you have the draft being late,

(19:11):
so those preseason schedules are those preseason magazines are pushed
to more of June. Good to know that the draft
is keeping up though by being printed in January. I'm
glad glad to hear that without knowing exactly who the
early entries are. You know, maybe they do it on
you know, January third, so we don't know who is

(19:32):
still in. But no, it's good time of year. Nice
to pick up a draft guy and the good things
you find them online as well.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
No, it's a beauty of it. Mock draft iteration ninety
seven point four and just shuffling it up. Why because
you feel like you need to shuffle it up because
you had a deadline this week I need it updated
drafts like nothing's happened.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I am on the fence of do I like mock
drafts with projected trades or do I not like them
because I don't think that it is the forte of
the person making the mock draft to actually make an
NFL trade. So how much do I really buy into it?

(20:12):
But there is the other factor of just having a
straight in this year thirty one, you know pick, first
round of it. Just being straight can get a little boring.
So I'm like on the fence, I'm not sure if
I like, Hey, guess what I think that the the
you know, Falcons will move up to try to get
a quarterback, or the Raiders will move up or the Titans.

(20:33):
I don't know how much I love that. Yet it
does add a little bit more salt and pepper to
it than just a Bland regular mock draft.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, I always do the Bland regular mock draft. I
do a one rounder the day before we've assimilated all
the information. Obviously, things change in our draft coverage. You're
starting to hear the ads Steve Kahn, former GM of
the Cardinals, with Jay Glazer, LeVar Arrington and Rob Stone
bringing it all together here for us here on Fox
Sports Radio, and then Smith and I'll come in and

(21:02):
eviscerate whatever teams did. But the goal was always just
if I can get the player matched up with the team,
I take it as a win. Yes, wherever they get traded,
whatever gets bounced, you're trying to evaluate it, you and
I doing the fantasy stuff, and obviously the amount of
coverage we do of the NFL, and the fact that
I'm a nerd that goes back and watches most of

(21:22):
these games a second time. I try to pretend to
know something. Well, sometimes it works, and sometimes it's a
dumpster fire floating down a river.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, there's a domino effect as well of getting one wrong.
So if you get the third overall wrong, that means
that the guy that was just picked, you have him
at a different team, so that one's you know wrong,
plus you got the one that you just did wrong.
And that can also send other dominoes because if somebody
trades up to get that guy or that guy was picked,

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then there could be other deals that That's why it
is so difficult to honestly get more than eight correct
in a first round. If someone is getting double digits
correct in a mock draft, then they really really know
their stuff, because it is darn near impossible because once
one domino falls, then they're all falling.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Well, then I just hope they trade back in because
if he ends up on the right team in that
first round, even if I had him as the EF
and he goes seventeenth, I'm taking credit for Dan.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
This is what happens. If you were to get eight
right out a mock draft, you probably got the first
five correct. And this year there's five or six guys
that could go in that top five or six names
that we get, Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud, Will Anderson.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
What happens with carter Y? Is he out like he's
the wild cart and all of it? Yeah, right, How
many teams want to trade up and go grab a
quarter is really do they love these quarterbacks? Because if
you pull back the talent assessment, like, nobody loves any
of these guys, like just full on in no matter
how many times you see the Josh McCown video of

(22:58):
Tim dhilling, every Wood Carolina prospect, You're gonna look great here,
we love you. Here, You've got me, you know what
I mean? Like all of that, and so because we're
looking to next year already of the top picks and
would it would they behoove them to wait? The quarterback
carousel is still unsettled for this year, as we will

(23:21):
talk about more extensively next hour. You know, the two
big names that everybody keeps trying to put and fix
in a in a space. There's there's still twisting in
the wind, as it were. But for this rookie quarterback class,
how much do you love Levice? Do you just love
him because he you know, looks like he's carved out

(23:42):
of out of clay. Do you do you like potential Richardson?
Do you love his potential versus looking at what you
saw on field?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (23:50):
There were some great moments, some less than stellar moments.
You're talking about accuracy and all of those things, but
you love the physical prospect. And then obviously Young and
Stroud pick your poison. And you know, we do this
the thing where it could be the perfect prospect, but
because we do this for so long, we've got to

(24:11):
find the flaws.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, and the Bryce Young was magnificent at Alabama. But
I do think that the height thing is it's an
extreme issue and it's you know, as you're trying to decipher.
So you know, even with those guys, you know, we
think from the word lately Bryce Young headed to Carolina,
but again who knows. But yeah, you're right in the

(24:34):
Anthony Richardson thing, Like if you were to draft Will
Levis and you gave him ample playing time in twenty
twenty three, I think you'd have a little bit of Okay,
I think we have a feel of what we've got
here with Anthony Richardson. Different story. So like, if you
draft Anthony Richardson, you aren't going to draft a quarterback

(24:56):
next year. There could be a scenario where if you
draft Will leve Us, you know you're looking at a
quarterback the next year of the year after. In terms
of wanting to move on for now, how quickly we
move on from these quarterbacks? Right? I mean, you know
we've seen Sam Darnold get traded in his rookie year.
We have the Josh Rosen story is obviously known. Like
if if you draft Will Levis and he stinks or

(25:19):
you try to give him playing time and all of
a sudden you're picking number one overall, well and you're
gonna take Caleb Williams and figure out what to do
with him.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
So there's right, you'll sell them off for parts.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's just you know, that's the
unique you know situation spot where we are right now
in the NFL drive.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Well, it's a it's a different world, right in terms
of how you're evaluating talent. You don't feel beholden and
sometimes gms aren't any more like it used to be.
You you picked early on a quarterback and that quarterback failed,
you didn't get another bite at the apple. Sometimes the
gms now survived to do that again, but playing a
quarterback all the way through and we saw it. Daniel

(25:58):
Jones got paid, but they hadn't picked up his fifty
year option, right. It ended up working out for him,
And now it's causing a ripple effect in New York
in terms of contracts and everybody being less than agreeable
to what's going on with the squad. But the point
being that the full buy in isn't there like it
used to be an automatic. Hey, you're getting your second

(26:20):
contract and we'll figure it out. Now it's like, all right,
y're two. This guy's not really working out, is he No?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
And you're exactly right, And the cases that we bring
up like like in a Will Levis situation, that's an
extreme scenario. But that extreme scenario, to your point, didn't
exist twenty years ago. Like, you know, you give a
guy a contract and he doesn't work out. He sets
your franchise back five years, and you have all this
money that you can't spend because you just gave it

(26:46):
to the quarterback. It's just a different sort of animal
now that there are more options. I mean, heck, look
at the Cardinals. Just gave Kyler Murray the deal that
they did. Now nobody wants to be in Arizona, And
now you're sitting there saying this team is not going
to be good at all. DeAndre Hopkins is being shopped
some of the stuff that we knew. JJ Watt retired.

(27:08):
But you're thinking to yourself, well, if the Cardinals are
picking number one, do you stick with Kyler Murray or
do you say, all right, maybe there's a deal to
be made and Caleb Williams is our guy. Like that
conversation actually does exist, and it's crazy to think because
it just wasn't like that in the NFL and FIR.
As crazy as those conversations may be, you're actually having

(27:30):
those conversations.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
And it just needs one owner to come over at
the top, yeah, to make that happen. More on the
draft coming up a little later on in the show.
Coming up next, we'll turn our attention to tanking in
the NBA and the NBA's laughable response to a long
running problem because they got their poster boy that they wanted.
But first, it's Isaac lowan crowd. He's got an update

(27:51):
of what's trending in our sporting universe.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
Good morning, fellas, and what's trending. Opening night of the
NBA Playoffs and the Sacramento Kings holding a one twenty
six to one twenty three lead in the final seconds
over the Golden State Warriors. Here was the veterable Gary
Gerald on k HTK.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
And bound past the curry.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
He kurrent, he wheels, he fires, Hey misses bugs with
the raidous and Sacramento has one game number one. After
seventy years without a playoff experience, they have risen to
the occasions.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
So did de Aaron Fox Sports Radio, who scored thirty
eight points, tying the second highest scoring playoff debut in
NBA history.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Hi Lo, can I pause you for a second. You
know we do the Patrick Mahomes sounds like Kermit the Frog,
didn't that guy kind of sound like Kermit the Frog
where he was gonna go y after the misshef.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
Let me let me try it again, because I want to.
I want to picture it. I want to picture not
just Kermit curs respect no, kurm Kermit the Frog one
of the great journalists of the twentieth century. So I'm
picturing Kermit the Frog court sided in his French coat
and his hat with a little badge that says press.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Picture that in your mind's eye, ladies and gentlemen. Here
it is again.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
He bound past the curry, He kurrent, he wheels, he fires. Hey,
this is bulls with theo that Sacramento has one home
number one. After years without a playoff experience, they have
in to the occasions.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Jerry Seinfeld King's Radio Network. That's what I think. That's
what I think. What's the deal.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I've never heard your side felt before. That was that
was half way decent.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
That was that was very like Isaac's Deren Fox Sports
Radio nickname though. That was very good.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
I mean corporate synergy. I'm just saying they keep winning
in the playoffs. We do a little endorsement deal. Everybody wins.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Hey, it's a star turn. People will know his name.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
I'm just saying. Also winning on Saturday Night the New
York Knicks. They wanted Cleveland wa one to ninety seven.
Jalen Brunsom scored twenty seven, and Julius Randall, after missing
a couple of weeks with the spring Nankels, scored nineteen.
He also had ten rebounds and four assists. Finally, in
Major League Baseball, Saturday Night, guys, the Cubs were one
out of way from a one nothing victory over the Dodgers,

(30:10):
but the Dodgers had runners at second and third with
pinch hitter David Peralta at the plate. Here was Charlie
Steiner on AM five to seventy LA Sports.

Speaker 7 (30:20):
Now there's two out. Paralta, hard ground ball, things hitting
the right field. Here comes out. But on his way
home is Fargas play at the plate. He is safe
in the Dodgers walk it off. David Parolta with the
game winning RBI. Dodgers with two in the bottom of
the ninth heat the Cubs to the one.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
So with that, David Peralta became the first major league
player with a pinch hit, walk off single with his
team one out away from a shutout loss. Since a
guy named Harry Davis did it for the Philadelphia Athletics
back on May twenty ninth, nineteen hundred and eight fifteen,
and the opposing pitcher with the Boston Red Sox, Babe

(31:05):
root Wow.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Was was Harry his first name or his nickname? That's
what I'm just I'm curious.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
It was his first name, but there were a lot
of this is a true story. There were a lot
of other Harry Davis's that were prominent back then. So
he invented. He made up a middle initial and referred
to himself as Harry H.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Davis. He just made that up. That was not his
middle initial, not his middle name. And so Saturday morning.
So I'm not gonna make the obvious joke about taking
h as I'm just saying.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Earlier in his career, Davis actually led the American League
at home runs for four straight seasons. His home run
totals those years ten, eight, twelve, and eight.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I kid the nut. He must be on the Jews
back to you. Thanks Eilo at Isaac Lohencron on Twitter.
He find his calls. He was on the Angel City
call yesterday. Got to go a couple of great goals. Well,
we'll have to hear those.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
A little long, all right, good, Yes, And I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
We got to give Ilo some shine for what he
was doing there. The other thing is as he laid
out the history and the chronology at the first time
of this, of this, of this showing that Major League
Baseball is better than everybody else of being able to
find you a data point about anything in its history.

(32:24):
You know, this is the first time since the thing
with the guy in the place in eighteen eighty four.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, it truly is. And that's why their numbers are
so revered too. Right. You don't do that in the NFL.
Definitely not the NFL. Not in the NBA either, because
it goes back so long. Because you can bring up
a Harry H. Davis reference from the Philadelphia A's. You
probably have one of his cards in your you know what,

(32:49):
you might you know.

Speaker 8 (32:50):
Those reprisets that they do on the twenty eight Davis here,
by the way, I am now going to go back
and see if there are any tobacco car it's a
very H.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Davis. We'll do that later. He's Danbyer, I'm by Karma.
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I'm Mike Carmen and uh I did look up Harry
Hdavis twenty.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Two year career not too bad, which.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Means he is actually in the tobacco cards. We can
get each member of the crew a Harry H. Davis
to back.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Are you sure that it's still like I mean, they're
probably still pricey? Right?

Speaker 1 (34:04):
No? I mean, look, it's a hundred bucks or maybe
maybe two hundred.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, we're not going to there may just have to
be one crew card. That's what it was like the like.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
The shares of the Andre, the Giant Jack Jocks Strapp.
It just becomes a communal property, all right. So the
Mavericks were fined seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
violating the league's player resting policy and demonstrated through actions
and public statements the organization's desire to lose the game
in order to improve the chances of keeping its first

(34:34):
round pick in the twenty twenty three NBA Draft. They
violated the sancrety, the sanctity of the game. Joe Dumars,
the legend NBA executive vice president and head of Basketball
Operations quote, undermine the integrity of our sport. They weren't
the only team in Texas doing that this year. No,

(34:57):
did they choose to do it at at a time
really kind of flip bold middle fingers at the NBA
and it's and it's wares sure, but we've celebrated this,
we've watched this go on forever. But because you dislike
Mark Cuban, here here's a seven or of fifty thousand
dollars five and what's that gonna do? He shakes that
out of his like his like he's on the yard

(35:19):
at Shawshank.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
There are a couple of reasons why I was trying
to figure out why this was, why this was happening,
and I thought, maybe Mike, because it was the the
play in tournament where Dallas shunned the new shiny toy
of the NBA, where they said, you know, we we
would rather actually have the other deal than to play
in the play in tournament. I also think that because

(35:43):
of where gambling is nowadays and across this country, they
didn't love the Luca's only gonna play a little bit.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, the over runner was eleven and a half points.
He ended up scoring once in that minute he played
in the second time. Yeah, but you know I could
take it over.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
How do you know, like how many points you know
he's gonna in the first quarter, you know, or how
many minutes he's gonna play in the first quarter. I
think that actually has a lot to do with what happened,
because to your point, the heck Spurs and Rockets this season.
You know, if we know that they're gonna have top
odds to try to get wembin Yama because of how
their season went. But what I think is the worst

(36:20):
part about this is Dallas is getting fined for this
when Mike they actually tried to go for it, like
these other teams aren't even trying.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Right, They made the move and it didn't work. Yes, right,
you went and gave up key assets to your rotation
thinking that the big fish of Kyrie Irving was going
to solve some of the ills and it didn't work.
Now can it long term? Maybe maybe not, that's to
be seen. But to your point, yeah, they actually made
a move to try to improve their squad.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
So it comes down to it, and you're gonna, you know,
pinpoint one game just because of what was said publicly
by Jason Kidd, you know. And Cuban got fined you know,
a couple of times years back, I think once in
twenty seventeen, oneces twenty eighteen again for you know, saying
they weren't trying to win games. So this is nothing new,
but that fine. By the way, you got docked six
hundred thousand dollars. Now this was seven point fifty, so

(37:16):
you got a five to six year span where that
change it. That's not a huge it's not like a
third offense increase. Like a third offense like that fine
would have been doubled or tripled. The NBA just tried
to make it look like they cared, which just made
it even more ridiculous because it was the Mavericks who
actually did care by making a move. It didn't work out.
They had to figure out a way to pivot at
the end to make it work for them. Unfortunately for them,

(37:39):
they're poorzingis deal now came to you know, came to
roost and you got to pay the piper and if
you lose that top ten pick, then you're worse off
than you were. I just a bad look by the NBA,
and I think they hit the amount of the fine.
You know, Cuban's matching it to charity anyway. You know,
we all say, like, what's the big deal? If they

(38:00):
get Victor Webbin Yama, that's seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Well spent all.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
The tampering stuff. Whenever that that comes up. It's like
if you get the guy the free agent or the
lottery ping pong balls all your way, who cares right
Tampa away. In this case, they made the choice, we're
probably not winning a title. We saw enough of a
sample size of these guys together. We're not good enough.

(38:27):
Could we win the play in and go into a series? Sure,
could we maybe win a series? Maybe, but you're not
getting over and recognizing that shouldn't be punished, or if
you're gonna go all in, then yeah, let's start restricting
the salary cap that these teams have to operate. You've
got to have real sanctions as opposed to you know,
hey cut us a check.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, you know what I felt too, like the You know,
I have a lot of problems with the lottery. I
don't like that it's weighted. I think because it's weighted,
you have teams that want to tank. But I also
think that it helps you when you're middle teams in
the NBA. And I actually put the MAVs in the
middle because you know, even though they're bottom third now,
there's still a middle team if you can add another

(39:10):
key piece to that that makes that franchise stronger and
better for your league. So here they're trying to protect
that asset, which would actually make the team better. Yet
they're going to be punished for it because it's just
one one game. Hey, guess what, you know what smart
Beetters did. They didn't bet that game, you know, that's
what they did. So it's just bad luck by the NBA.

(39:32):
Just doesn't make any sense at all in the amount
of the fine. If you really want to nail them,
you know, find them two million dollars.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, it goes back to what you've agreed upon. And
I don't know that the CBA would allow it, but
the idea of all right, we're going to reduce what
your salary cap is, there's got to be real penalties
or stripping draft picks all together. Hey, you know what
for these two years, Yeah, you worked for that pick.
Guess what it's now voided. Maybe the vacated champions in college, Maybe.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
The NBA should force them to sign Kyrie Irving as
their penalty.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
You know, you know what, he was on your roster
on this date. You're locked in long term.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Pay the pipe to the max. Oh man, oh boy.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
And Luca has to work on defense, and that's the
other penalty.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I don't know anybody who said good job, NBA. I
think this was unanimous. Everybody thought that this was.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
A joke, but it also goes back to Adam Silver
will do nothing if that's the option. He's Dan on Mike.
Coming up next, we talk Washington Commanders. Greetings, Welcome in
hour two of the program. Mark Tags out on the
Wheels of Steel, as our buddy Chris Blank would love
to call it, Iowa, Sam tags In, Bo Bens and
our executive producer again I love on the update desk

(40:45):
and of course here in the studio alongside me my
tag team partner from the I Want Your Flex podcast.
You hear him weekdays here Fox Sports Radio is part
of The Doug Gottlieb Show. And Cavino and Rich my
guy Dan Bayer.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
What's going on, Buddy, I am excited to be here.
I realized that I'm an hour late and sending my
pre show tweet, so that will becoming momentary.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Well, we got deep into some weighty discussions about the
meaning of life, gastronomic delights, and some of the topics
that will go through over the next three hours here
on the show. But we got into astronomy and I'd
be remiss if I didn't bring it back. You're feeling better?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Well, yeah, do you want to you want to do
this now.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, I mean, I just want to make sure you're okay, well, okay, ish.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
The gastronomical issue was separate and private between you and me,
it was, but now it's public between all of us.
But that's okay.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, because it's a combination of foods that could lead
I mean people may have experienced similar to where you're
watching TV and you're not feeling.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
So I know, I I yeah that that part of that,
that's all that needs to be said. That was a
Dan and Mike conversation. The other of it, we're all family, Dan,
so this is what happened this week. So looking at
grabbing some grabbing some food and we're like, hey, let's

(42:09):
get some pizza and wings. That's what it was. And
the class any pizza place that you go at, whether
it be a national chain, whether it be a local place,
has both convenience wise. For us, a national chain is
very very close to us. But they're chicken to me,
is the worst of any national chain. It is. It

(42:30):
is not good, boneless, bone in They're awful. It's bad.
They're on top of it. Our local store probably stinks,
is like, is worse than others. So it's just not
a good combination. However, in this same strip mall area,
there is a spot for wings. So what I did

(42:51):
was I placed the order for the pizza at one place,
and then place the order for the wings at the other.
And I just felt dirty. I had done this maybe
once or twice before, Like I feel like I'm really
going out of my way to buy bad food, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
But but I'm like, but you're not the better food,
right if you if you'd settled for the rings at
the other place that had just said that, that would
have been worse to my estimation, because now you're settling
for bad food that you know, the quality is not,
like that's not what they specialize it, right, So now
you're downgrading not only the experience, you're still paying the

(43:31):
premium price. But really it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Wreck Yes, yes, and I got you know, yeah, yeah
it's got wrecked. Yeah it was. But but it wasn't
the combo of the two. That was not the point.
It was just the point of me going like.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
I don't think you feel bad about it at all.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
I actually I really did, Like I really felt like
I was I was backing out of the spot because
the I picked up the pizza for and the wing
spot is It's not that it's too far for a walk,
it's just it's more convenient if I would just back,
you know, drive the thirty parking spots and go pull

(44:10):
in and then I could just leave from there and
it's it's better. As I was backing out knowing I
had a point, you know, zero zero two mile drive
to the wingstop, the wing place. I'm not saying that
was the place or not, but that's a knowing that
that was where I was going. I did feel guilty.

(44:31):
I did feel bad. I felt like it was by
the way. I do not think that the wings were
I know for a fact the wings were not the culprit.
See there you go, the wings were not the culprit.
But but but.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
The point being made is like I I have had
to do this with my kids, okay, since they were babies,
and especially as they developed their own palettes. And I
think everybody can speak to it. Wherever you're at nationally,
you've got different chains or local places where there is
a specialty or there's something that you really love on

(45:10):
the menu or you tolerate on the menu in some
cases depending on your kid's palettes. But there are places
where there's really good stuff on the menu, but there's
something that suffers. Maybe it's the appetizer, maybe it's the accompaniment.
Like here in California, there's always a debate on what style,
what type, and where you're getting your French fries. And

(45:31):
there are famous burger places that everybody loves to run
into when they come into town. See I'm leading you
down there, but they're not paying me, so I'm not
giving them any plugs. But nobody likes their fries. So
you go down the street after you've secured your satchel
of burgers and milkshakes, and you go buy fries at
another place, And do you feel a little bit odd
the first time? Sure? And then you say, screw it.

(45:52):
My kids are now happy and they're not going to
complain that they hated the fries that I forced them
to eat because I wouldn't code down the road.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I'm glad that there is a partner in crime with this,
because to me, it just felt I was crossing a
boundary that I should not have crossed. Like, yeah, you're
paying for it, Dan, Well that's what I thought as well. Yeah,
Like I thought to myself. If there's a place that's
right next door that provides a better product than the other,

(46:23):
then why not just make two separate orders. And and
so that's what I did. Now the outcome completely different story.
That's just that was that was pizza place, you know,
But we don't have to talk about that is. It's
just it's just the fact. It's just the fact that
I felt felt that I crossed a line, even though

(46:47):
I think I've maybe crossed it like a time or two. Never,
I haven't done it more than three times. Because also,
like if you were to go to I'll just say,
you go to Eyes and you get you know, you
get some spicy chicken there, cajun fries, go with what

(47:07):
it is, I would I would think that eating a
big Mac and not having McDonald's fries would be weird psychologically.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Probably there's something.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
To Yeah, there's there's some there are some sort of
taste buds that even if the product is is is
lesser than maybe what another place. You're not combining them
like you're not. It's it's like the what would it be?
It would be the the Four Lakers, Like even though
you're putting you know, Shaq Kobe, Gary Payton and Karl

(47:37):
malonoll on the same team doesn't guarantee an NBA titled.
And the Pistons, you know, Pistons prove that. It's like
you can have the best burger, fry, milkshake, and you know,
drink from somewhere else, but you put them all together
and if you have them, it's just not right. You
kind of still you need one to accompany the other.

(47:58):
And that's you know, the chicken at the one place
was just so bad at the pizza place that it
could just not go and purchase it, which forced me
to go to the other place, which I thought was
the better option.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
You vote with your dollars, you vote with your feet.
And that's the lesson with all of this, and it
applies to I mean, because everybody's doing that at least
some point between baseball kicking off the NBA playoffs, maybe
you're having a watch party. We just had the NCAA tournament.
There's a million things going on where people you're gonna
have that converged the food because or at least maybe

(48:32):
I'm giving people too much credit, but most folks don't
show up on empty handed, so they're either bringing some
food item, or they're bringing you more booze. Now you
don't drink. So my guess is when people show up
at your house, they're more likely to bring you food
or snacks or something for your son.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yes, correct, versus.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Here's a bottle of wine or whatever, So you're gonna
get perhaps what's an odd mix. But you know what,
if I'm showed up at your house, I want to
make sure I got something that I like or that
you know, maybe it's something that everybody likes a little
taste of, or something that's cheap enough that I could
buy in bulk. And we have that for multiple Do you.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Do you tie in the soda product with the establishment
because McDonald's is a coke shop. Yeah, a big deal
back in the back in the Midwest and parts of
Colorado and Utah and Arizona. Now, Culvers switched from pepsi

(49:32):
to coke at the turn of the new year, and
there is a big outrage, a big outrage. Iowa Sam,
I think has had Culvers before, and I don't know,
maybe he goes with the root beer. But it's just
the point of when you when you switch that drink,
Like I couldn't imagine you know, like I couldn't imagine
a McDonald's with pepsi, even though I consider myself a

(49:55):
pepsi guy. Like that's that's a coke product building, and
there's so like I would associate, Like it would be
weird to have a coca cola at Culvers, which now
is the norm, or to have a pepsi at McDonald's.
You know, just it wouldn't mix.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
See, that's why I end up at the when given
my druthers of my fast dish food, convenient dining, whatever
euphemism worth throwing on it, I end up at the
Danny DeVito shild sandwich shop because I like their stubborn
colas as opposed to the you know, dominant coke pepsi debate.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
This is you're branching off into a world that is
completely new.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Cream soda, yeah for the wind. There you go. But
it goes back to preferences, and it goes back to
how you want to spend your dollars. There are two
groups vying for the Washington Commanders, one at a six
point two ish billion dollar valuation, and that's Harris and
Magic Johnson in the group. And they thought they won.

(50:59):
No wait, hold on, over here. Seven billion. I got
it all in cash. Brian Davis comes forward, and now
it's the vetting process of where's this money coming from,
what ties does it have, you know, and how clean
is it and all of those things and viability of
businesses going forward, partnerships and everything else. So the Harris

(51:20):
group they thought they were done, and people exhaled, they celebrated,
cause either way, we're at the goal line. And I
guess this ties into some of the other stuff we'll
talk about around this and other NFL stories of we're
at the goal line out a lot of stuff, but
we haven't scored yet. Right, That's the argument with the Jets.
Imminent intends to be here, Joe Douglas getting in front

(51:42):
of a bunch of drunk fans and saying, yeah, he's
gonna be here. Maybe he does, maybe doesn't. But with
Washington and the sale being imminent, it gets due to
envision better glory days of the past of the once
proud Washington Redskins franchise is nickname notwithstanding of a team

(52:04):
that was viable as opposed to the last twenty plus years.
And our teammate LeVar Arrington could talk to this because
he was the first draft pick of the Snyder regime,
and what that organization has stood for for many years
whisper conjecture, speculation finally into a bunch of investigations, and
ultimately I didn't think we'd see this day. I thought
it would be from my cold dead hands or being

(52:27):
ripped apart forcefully by some executive order.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I will I will say this, I did think we'd
see this day. And by that I mean Dan Snyder
would get an offer. We thought the deal would be done,
and then he's like, no, I can get more, and
then so so so yeah, to that point, like it's
like it is. I did think that this it wouldn't
be as clean and as easy as in the process

(52:51):
that we thought that would play out, because I just
never thought yet. No, I know what you're saying, and
I'm doing it tongue in cheek, but there is a
truth to that. You knew it wasn't going to be easy,
and you knew it wasn't going to be this clean.
And now when you think that you have a deal,
which by the way, was just shy of six billion,
then it was six billion, then it was six point
oh five billion dollars, and that seemed to be the

(53:13):
set number. Now you're going a whole nother billion dollars
over that and going to seven billion, completely changing the game.
But that's what's you know, that the you know, it's
tough for us to relate to ownership in terms of
a sports franchise, but it's easy for us to relate
to ownership of a sports franchise when you're a fan

(53:34):
of a team that has bad ownership, because it is
so it is so apparent. I just even remember, I'm
not a Dodgers fan, but the mcurt era here in
La was my goodness. You want to talk about taking
a storied franchise and you know, dwindling it down to just,
you know, mediocrity, That's that's what it was. And this

(53:55):
is probably you know, three four, five times worse for
what happened to the Washington football franchise. You and I
are of an age mic where we grew up watching
football in the nineteen eighties, and if you're growing up
at that time and you're watching football, we look back
and we'd be like Joe Montana and those forty nine ers.

(54:17):
There was a time where Washington was on par with
San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Sure, San Francisco is Washington and the Giants yues. Like
when you look at that Cowboys in the early nineties.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, yes, but there's also a Washington Super Bowl put
you know in there when they beat the Bills in
you know, in Minnesota in the early nineties. So when
you look at at what Washington put together, I mean
it's a Super Bowl win over the Dolphins, they lost
to the Raiders, they then beat the Broncos and Super
Bowl twenty two, they won Super Bowl twenty six. You

(54:49):
can point to all that, like that's where this franchise was.
And we look back so fondly at the forty nine
ers in that golden era at you know as being
like Joe mont Tanna and Jerry Rice. But Washington was
with them every step of the way. Now times change.
But it also shows you on what happens to an
organization that gets so far from being a proud franchise.

(55:13):
And that's what the real shame in all of this was.
And I think that there's probably a younger generation that
doesn't realize what Washington Football actually meant back in the day.
I know those in the DC, you know area in
Virginia and all understand it's their livelihood, it's their life.
But just in general the football landscape, Mike, you know,

(55:35):
Washington was it, Washington was. I mean, they were on
par with the best, and to see how far it's
fallen and just how bad it's gotten, Hopefully whoever ends
up buying the team can at least restore some of
that greatness. I don't want to go as far as
to say, Mike that the NFL is better when Washington
is better. I think that's really only saved for a
few franchises, but for a period there they were amongst

(55:58):
the NFL's elite.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
It's interesting because you mentioned the forty nine ers and
the revelry and the respect and hallowed grounds. Because of
all of the mess with Washington, I don't think we
celebrate any of that mystery at all, because you can't
do it without talking about what it became. Yes, right,
Joe Gibbs, the Hogs, all of those things, all those

(56:20):
great players that you just kind of have to push
to the wayside because of what came out in the
wash since Snyder took over.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Mm hmm, yeah, you're you're one hundred percent right.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
So we watch more Bill Parcells and Phil Simms footage
and every opportunity to grab any player that circled Montana
Young and Rice.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah, and they probably wanted you to pay for some
of that footage. We can't look back now, all the
different highlight package we got to pay.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
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(57:14):
it means to the quarterback carousel that keeps spinning. Who's
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(57:36):
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(57:58):
and then we move on. We don't live, so we
have that. Although I would be remiss if I didn't
talk about the Polar Bear and his seven home runs
through the first fifteen games. Got of a big deal
for Pete Alonzo since he failed so miserably in the
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(58:42):
But we turn our attention back to the Washington Commander's
sale from the on field possibilities that present themselves. So
we talk about Rogers, we talk about Lamar Jackson. You
guys kind of still floating in no man's land. The
raven sign. Odell Beckham Junior will get into him in
earnest a little bit later on in the show. But

(59:03):
you've got Lamar out there, no offers that we're aware
of that Baltimore has had to come back and match
or even discuss at this point. But you've got Rogers,
Joe Douglas in front of the drunken Throng promising that
he's going to be here, Rogers saying my intent to
play for the Jets a couple of weeks ago. All
of that out there, and one of the wild cards

(59:25):
in this whole scenario Dan has always been would Dan
Snyder be the guy to upset the apple cart on
either of those guys? For Jackson, it seemed like the obvious.
Keep him in the belt way there and make all
the other owners squirm as you exit stage right right.

(59:46):
I gave him a fully guaranteed good luck with that.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Then, yeah, then you're gonna have some issues, really you
know in terms of if I mean, I don't know
what you could do if you're in the process of
selling a team and then try to make such a
move like that for a new owner, you would need
at least some sort of some sort of okay with it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Oh, don't we get to a rounding error at this point.
What's we're talking in the sixths?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
That's fair enough, fair enough. However, I do think that
the conversation is different, you know. And one of the
reasons why you look at the Lamar Jackson situation, and
if you were Washington under new ownership and you try
to make a splash, you want to come in with
a positive, you know, a positive entry into the NFL.

(01:00:33):
And I don't think giving up two first round picks
and then signing Lamar Jackson to that monster deal that
he wants. Not only do the teams not want to
do it, all of those who thought we thought could
be interested in a Jackson, you know, arrival in their
city put out, you know, right away, when he was tagged.

(01:00:55):
They aren't interested. They aren't interested. I don't see a
fan base that would say, all right, we just got
Lamar Jackson and we completely guaranteed his contract for you know,
whatever two hundred million dollars that he wants. I don't
see any team that would be like, all right, that's
a that's a shot in the arm to us. And

(01:01:17):
so the Rogers deal though, is different because I think Rogers,
even though the compensation may not be the same, you're
not on the hook long term and you're feeling like,
all right, right now we've got our guy. And in
Washington's case, with the weapons, you know, it's a different
feel Like if you were to if you were Washington
and you got into the Aaron Rodgers sweepstakes, I think

(01:01:40):
you could get a deal done. And if you were
new ownership, I would, I would, I would try to
pursue that. I would look down that road if you
buy the Washington Commanders and Aaron Rodgers is still a
Green Bay Packer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Yeah, we certainly. We had Ron Rivera coming out talking
about how the air in the building right there's a
different feel and all that. But I think for both
like that's the one fan base where right now it's
all positive. And with the sale, I don't know that
you need to go any further. Like you got Dan
Snyder out, fan base is gonna be excited if you
came over the top with one of these quarterbacks. And again,

(01:02:14):
the Rogers thing is tricky, and I think that's where
the hold up is with the Jets, is you're fighting
over that second year of the potential of him just
saying I'm done. Not that he's suddenly going to be
a stiff, but legitimately he may go off on another
retreat and say beat it. Right. We had the reports
that Woody Johnson was very excited until he heard the Hey,

(01:02:35):
I was ninety percent retired. Bit sure, because if you're
gonna have to give up compensation over the next couple
of years whatever it is, both monetarily and draft picks
that and then this guy just walks away after a year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah, that I understand. Listen, I understand being timid about
that with that comment. But you also have to look
at it as in a way of Rogers wanted to
retire and then now he wants to be a member
of the New York Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
What's revenge?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yes? And has that has that with him? And too,
you know, beggars can't be choosers. And where you are
as a franchise, where you are with the Jets right now, like,
this is their opportunity. So to have that assurance, I
Rogers is either going to work out or he's not
going to work out. And so your safety net that

(01:03:30):
you're trying to install or to get from Green Bay
to me is irrelevant because your deal is judged and
whether Aaron Rodgers plays at an MVP level in twenty
twenty three, that is what it is. And if he
goes and he plays one season and leads them to
the playoffs, I know you've given up, you know, capital

(01:03:51):
at that point, but it's still going to be like, well,
look at where Rogers took us, and honestly, if he
takes you to the playoffs, I would bet to say
that Aaron rod probably feels he's got another year in him.
Think about what transpired this year in Green Bay. That's
probably why Aaron Rodgers wanted to retire. You give him
new life and a reason to come back, he'll come back.

(01:04:13):
That's I think what he Johnson needs to realize.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
You know, it would have been great if he'd showed
up for offseason workouts with a bunch of rookie receivers around,
because those final six weeks of the season might have
happened in the middle six weeks of the season. Sure
weren't playing for your playoff lives in week eighteen. Yeah,
but you know, hindsight being twenty twenty, you know they
took their and built their sandcastles and fortresses against each other.

(01:04:39):
He went off and walking, and it's just the bad
narrative that has trailed all of this is how Green
Bay had never gotten him weapons or gone and done
anything likewise with Lamar Jackson, like Dacosta's picked poorly time
and time again. But they've brought in assets to try
to do that. And that's to say Rashad Bateman can't

(01:05:01):
become a good player because he may be listening right
now and blocking me on Twitter and going after me like, hey, DaCosta,
look at us that they fired their trainer, so maybe
there was something going on there as well. But they've
they've gotten assets. It just hasn't worked right. It's like
the Cubs for all those years growing up, people would
be like, well they're so awful. It's like why don't

(01:05:22):
they do this, Like go look at what they were
spending on a yearly basis, But they were bringing in
guys who were good five years prior and banking on
the name to keep the local folks when it wasn't
the outdoor bar and tourist attraction it is now butts
in seats because you had familiar names for the Packers. Yeah,
just because you didn't have the first round sticker on

(01:05:44):
a guy didn't mean they didn't go and find and
draft and evaluate talent at the position. And I'm sorry
you're in Green Bay. When it comes to free agency,
there's got to be an over cell.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Well, I you know, I just find I find the
you know, the Rogers situation and the Lamar situation and
where they come in to whatever organization it is to
be just completely the opposite. And you know, and if
you're sitting here, just yeah, to go back to the
Commander's point. If you're looking to make a splash and
Roger's still available, I say, go do it. I just
don't think the Lamar Jackson is that splash, even though

(01:06:19):
he's you know, just from down the road in Baltimore.
I think they probably know, you know, in terms of
they know all the reasons why Baltimore is not giving
him the money. So then they're like, why would we
do it and give up two first round picks doesn't
make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
No, And this is where you start playing the game
of poker. As to when you get back to it,
I think we've been talking about this a while. I've
long believed he was going to end up raving again
for a year. Whether they get a long term deal done,
I don't know. But when push comes to shove, you're
not leaving thirty two million dollars on the table. Right,

(01:06:56):
we talked about quarterback deals and what they once were
and how they would hamstring your franchise. Right, you were
pot committed when you gave Sam Bradford a giant novelty check.
You don't have that anymore. Right, You've got the fifth
year options. You're not hamstrung by this massive cap number
until you commit to contract number two. So you know

(01:07:18):
to come back to it. You're you're looking at an opportunity.
And Lamar Jackson is not that he hasn't made money,
but he hasn't made real money when we talk about
NFL quarterbacks. So you're not going to say, hey, I'm
going to hold out because there's always there's still questions
about your health. Everybody's saying he's going to hold out
and hold the Ravens to it, like, I don't buy

(01:07:38):
it for a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
You know, every player would like a fully guaranteed contract, right,
how much does Lamar Jackson think that another contract is
not coming on the heels of it? Like that's you know?
And why does Lamar Jackson want a fully guaranteed contract

(01:08:01):
Because if he gets injured, he wants all of his money,
or if he fails to live up to expectations, he
wants all of his money. Like that's and I get
that any athlete would do that, But in the quarterback
position in the NFL, where you are and how you
play sometimes is even irrelevant for getting another contract. And

(01:08:25):
there would be another contract on the back side of
this contract, right, So in essence, this may not be
fair to Lamar. But like Russell Wilson knew he was
going to get paid again, like you know rookie deal,
sign his deal with the Seahawks that then expired, then

(01:08:46):
he wanted fifty million dollars. So this is his third contract, Lamar,
does Lamar Jackson want the fully guaranteed second contract because
he's not sure there's going to be a third? Like
that's it? Or is it just because Kyler got his
and Deshaun Watson got his. Is that the only reason it's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
A bit of both. But I think your point is
completely valid when you're talking about a guy who's already
missed a couple of giant chunks of seasons and wasn't
available to the end of this one and had his
toughness his ability to play through, and the contract became
a thing he had to come back and go no, no, no,
my knee was really hurt. Yeah, I promise you it

(01:09:26):
wasn't my contract. But the perception is there, and history
has shown the style of play, and it doesn't matter
what the Giants did, because people always be like, look
what the Bills did, Look what the Giants did, Look
what the Cardinals did. Like, those are isolated teams made
their decisions based on personnel, and they decided. The Ravens
decided to draw a line in the sand. And it

(01:09:48):
doesn't mean that they won't go higher than whatever that
three for one p. Thirty three is. They're just not
going to Deshaun Watson. A million dollars is a pretty
damn big gap you have to figure out, and clearly
the marketplace is spoken that nobody's going to that high end,
or they're playing the game of poker that eventually there's
got to be a late deal broker, sign trade, what

(01:10:09):
have you, so they don't give up the farm and
the two hundred plus million names.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I think. I think Lamar Jackson probably as similar concerns
to his career as the Baltimore Ravens do uh at
his career. That's why he wants it guaranteed. That's why
the Ravens are like, all right, no, we're not gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
We'll do the short term, right because he said he
had that three for one thirty three. Yeah, but that's
no longer on the table.

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Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
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Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
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(01:11:42):
a losing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Cause for Cleveland.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
In Major League Baseball on Saturday night, the Chicago Cubs
were one out away from a one to nothing victory
over the Los Angeles Dodgers, but the Dodgers had runners
at second and third with pinch hitter David Peralta at
the plate. Here was Charlie Steiner five seventy LA Sports.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Now there's two out.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
Peralta, hard ground ball, thas hit in the right field
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Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
The one, and with that Peralta became the first major
league player with a pinch hit walk off single with
his team one out away from a shutout loss since
Harry H. Davis did it for the Philadelphia As back
on May twenty ninth, nineteen hundred and fifteen, off of
Boston Red Sox pitcher Babe Ruth.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Now, Dan, I'm going to ask.

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
You to humor me here because many of our listeners
are familiar with Big Mike, who runs this place. I'd
like you to do a quick skit where I come
in to ask Big Mike if he can pull the
highlight of Harry Davis's game winning pinch hit back in
nineteen fifteen from our archives, only to have Big Mike

(01:13:07):
grumpily explained to me that the first radio station did
not go into existence until five years later in nineteen
twenty Hey, hey, Mike, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
By the way, this is only services like three people,
but we're up grub.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Hey you got a second big mic?

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Yeah? I hurry it up. We gotta go.

Speaker 6 (01:13:30):
Okay, Hey, can you pull that highlight of Harry Davis's
game winning single for the A's from our archives of
May twenty ninth, nineteen fifteen, first game of a doubleheader
against the Red Sox.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Uh radio wasn't invented, idiot, Dad.

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I owe you big time. Thank you so much. Back
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Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Mike Harmon, Iowa, Sam Bow Benson and Icy Glowing Crown
makeup the Fox Family. Today I mentioned top eight answers.
What I want to know the most franchises in the
NBA to relocate. Now some there are some things that
I need to point out. When the Raptors had to
play in Tampa because of COVID, that does not count.

(01:15:13):
When the Hornets were relocated to Oklahoma City because of
Hurricane Katrina, that does not count. It's actual relocations where
the name on the beginning changed to a new one
for good, the most recent eight relocations in the NBA.

(01:15:34):
Mike Carmen, we start with you. There is a pass available.
If you don't know the answer, just say pass. And
we'll reveal it, but no one else can use it
during the game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
One of the great stories that you read about all week.
Kyrie Irving did not make the playoffs, but the Brooklyn
Nets did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Show me the Brooklyn Nets. Yes, the most recent New
Jersey Nets moved to Brooklyn. Brooklyn is off the board.
Over to Bo Benson.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
The jazz from New Orleans to Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Oh, that's a Bogos in the way back machine. Show
me the jazz. Yes, very good Utah jazz. And I
like your guys being specific on this. This is very
very good New Orleans to Utah for the jazz. Bo
Benson gets another mark on the board. By the way,

(01:16:26):
that happens in nineteen seventy nine. Over to two Hiowa, Sam,
I'm going so, I guess Charlotte. Charlotte's all right, Well
this is a city with a name change. Yeah, Charlotte
when they moved to New Orleans. Is that what you're saying? Yes, yes,

(01:16:46):
show me Charlotte to New Orleans. There it is probably
two hundred and nineteen dollars flights if you wanted to
fly from Charlotte to New Orleans. Does it include a
smoothie King Smoothie the it did so in two thousand
and two. Over to Isaac Low and Crown of the
news desk.

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
I'm gonna go with Vancouver moving from the Big Country
aka Big Country reeves to become the Memphis Grizzlies.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Oh yes, those great colors that tried to bring it
back with the logo. Show me Vancouver to Memphis with
the Grizzlies. All right, four for four again, Top eight
answers on the board most recent franchises to relocate in
the NBA. Back over to Mike Carmen.

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Going through the chronology, do we go far back enough
to grab the Lakers?

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
While we're Do you want to go to the Lakers?
Is that what you want to do? Mike carme?

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
You know what I will do. I'll take the Clippers instead.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
All right, Actually, I'm gonna need you to be more specific.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
From San Diego to Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Show me the Clippers. San Diego to La all right,
there we are five for five. Maybe I've revealed, Maybe
I've revealed too much. Over to Bo Benson.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Yeah, how about the Buffalo Braves to San Diego?

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Show me the guys again? There it is all right,
we are perfect game six for six. The most recent
franchises to relocate in the NBA Iowa Sam Ah. Yes,
we've got the Clippers from Buffalo to San Diego, the
Jazz from New Orleans to Utah, and then the Clippers

(01:18:34):
again from San Diego to La Vancouver to Memphis for
the Grizzlies, Charlotte to New Orleans for the Hornets, and
Jersey to Brooklyn for the Nets. I'm gonna use a pass,
all right, Gonna use the pass as soon we forgets
the thunder leaving Seattle to Oklahoma City one I knew, Dave, Oh,

(01:18:55):
and the final one is left Isaac lood cron.

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
How about the Kansas City King moving to become the
Sacramento Kids, costing Kevin Harlan a job back in the day, by.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
The way, he's hurting for work. Yeah, the boy. Here
we go for a perfect game. Actually it's kind of
a no hitter because we used the pass. But there
are no strikes on the board. Show me the Kings
from k C to Sacramento.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
There nicely doing how many years was I off with
the Lakers?

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
So there were a variety of There were a variety
of moves, but you would have had the uh, well, gosh,
Cincinnati moved to Kansas.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
City, Buffalo to San Diego. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
It was quite a few. Nineteen sixty was where the
Lakers were the most recent one we had was nineteen
seventy eight.

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Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
So much in the sporting universe. Dan, We've got the
NBA playoffs. We'll get it back into those in earnest
in about twenty minutes. But the NFL Draft rapidly approaching
and a lot of drama, speculation, wild odds swings over
what happens with the number one pick. But beyond that,
I don't know that I'm feeling the weight. And I

(01:22:31):
say that even though we're starting to see the and
hear the commercials for our draft coverage with you know,
mister perfect, Jay Glazer and company, that it doesn't feel
like it has the weight.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Well, I think the the reason why this topic is
of importance is twofold is number one. The NFL is
just so dominant with so many things, Like I think
that there's now, like you know, in our business, Mike,
when the Super Bowl ends, you're immediately into getting ready

(01:23:04):
for the draft, free agency, there are roster decisions that
have to be made. Then you're into March, and so
it's it's combine, it's all of what I just mentioned,
possible trade, and then we get closer to the draft.
It's like we're still talking NFL. Maybe not as much
as we are in the season, however, it is still

(01:23:24):
on the minds of so many. But when you look
at this draft class with the quarterbacks and the number
of quarterbacks and the possible moving and shaking that you
could see, it gives all of the elements for what
should be a great draft coming up now in less
than two weeks. But I don't think it is matching

(01:23:45):
the hype of what we had in twenty eighteen, when
you had Baker Mayfield, when you had Sam Darnold and
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and honestly Saquon Barkley in
that draft class. And I don't know, I just feel
that it's the NFL is obviously being talked about. That
is not what I'm saying at all, because you can't

(01:24:06):
turn on a network without a mock draft or someone
talking about what's happening going on in the NFL. I
just think the buzz of this draft, where it seemingly
has all the pieces, is not as exciting as the
one that we had five years ago. And I don't
know if it's because of the prospects. I don't know
if it's because of the teams that are picking and

(01:24:27):
who is picking where, but it just doesn't seem like
it is. It seems like we're all looking forward to it.
But I don't think it just has that energy that
we saw five years ago when you had all of
those names in the NFL draft.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Yeah, I think there's a couple of things to it.
And part of it is and we've done this with
the NBA forever where we'll get to say the All
Star break, which is now two thirds of the way
through the season, and we're already talking about next year,
this guy's going to be a free agent. This guy
may opt out, this guy may do this. In the NFL,
we're starting to get into that kind of conversation about

(01:25:04):
free agency. Who may decide to leave because they're unhappy
with the situation where something's been festering. We saw it
with Russell Wilson. We still see it with Aaron Rodgers.
And to that point, I bring Rogers in because the
Rogers Lamar Jackson, Daniel Snyder stories kind of dwarf everything else. Right,
They've sucked a lot of the oxygen sure out of

(01:25:25):
the room, right because because they also potentially muck up
what's going on in the draft, right, particularly when you
look at Lamar Jackson. Right, if a team goes and
makes a move for him, now, well suddenly that fourth
pick goes and gets or eighth pick or whatever it
might be, gets transferred out. So suddenly we're jumbling the

(01:25:46):
playing table, right, Because we had those rumors a couple
of weeks ago, and certainly it was a theory that
I proffered early on, was if I'm one of those teams,
I want that pick and then I want to go
get Lamar Jackson after Right, So I get a player,
and I get Lamar Jackson. I don't want to give
up because if Lamar Jackson does what he's supposed to,
then those first round picks in subsequent years are late

(01:26:09):
first round picks. And I also got my defender alignment
or whatever else I needed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
It is dangerous, though, to try to trust me as
someone who's a fan of a team that acquired Jamal
Adams after the NFL Draft, like you were paying that
debt longer, like that was like a student loan debt,
Like it felt like like we still are paying for this.
Wait a second, I'm done with school, Like then you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Forgot all about it because Gino Smith was a start
that hey, you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Know, and and the half that Jamal Adams played in
that season that the Seahawks just had no disrespect to
Jamal Adams. It's just the fact the timing of that deal,
which would have been much better for the Seahawks prior
to the draft than doing it after, which is also
why I think that the Jets need to get this
Rogers deal done to include something in this year's draft,

(01:27:03):
like you don't want to be paying for it down
the road, and especially if Woody Johnson has his concerns.
But back to the point, I just would you look,
and I think you're right. I think the Rogers and
Lamar stuff is taken some of the air out. But
I also think that those that a draft can stand

(01:27:23):
on its own in terms of the excitement. And I
just think, and I hate doing this to teams because
a lot of my teams aren't the marquee brands, but
that twenty eighteen drafts had the Browns picking twice in
the top four, and then you had the Jets and Giants,
and Giants picked two, Jets pick three, and then you

(01:27:44):
had Denver picking five. You know, here we have the Panthers, Texans, Cardinals,
and Colts in the top four, all of which are
a mess. Yes, And I would say markets and fan
bases that are not as wide ranging as the three

(01:28:07):
or four that I just mentioned, Like, you know, the
Browns of the Bronze, but Man of the Brons an
amazing soap opera to watch. Sure they have been for
a decade. I think it maybe could have been a
little different if your Bears would have been on top,
maybe stayed on top, a little differ different change. I
think they have a little bit more Cachet than the

(01:28:28):
Carolina Panthers, especially if it was the narrative of the
Bears trying to find that franchise quarterback. But they're gonna, well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
That's it, right, what are you doing with it? Right?
Do you have that speculation all the way through? Ye
traded away?

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Yeah, yeah, you knew the answer and it moved on.
And so I think I think that that lends to
some of this. And I also think that how we
view these quarterbacks. I mean truly Josh Josh Allen narrative
has played out, like we thought that this guy could
be a super quarterback, this guy could be great. But

(01:29:04):
we also think that about Anthony Richardson, Like there is
this big question about like who this guy is. Is
Baker Mayfield the Bryce Young? Well if that's the case,
then Baker had more pizzazz then there was there was
more star power to this device. Yes, if Sam Donald's

(01:29:27):
the CJ. Stroud And I'm not talking about how they play,
but just of how we're comparing them in their roles.
Now I see why it's you know, not living up
to the twenty eighteen high because they don't match. Now,
c J. Stroud very well could have a better career
than Sam Donald in the NFL. I expect CJ. Stroud
to have a better career in the NFL, But that

(01:29:48):
doesn't change the fact that this draft, with all of
the pieces that are in it, I still don't think
it has got that buzz as we always use as
they did five years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Yeah, I think when it comes down to it and
Sam Darnold's leading the forty nine ers to the NFC
title game because the other guys are all hurt, I
think that narrative is there in a hurry.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
You do you? Also, I think that this could play
play into the affected maybe because of how volatile like
the the early picks in twenty eighteen haven't panned out,
so it's more of a story like as we look
back on it now. But I still think at the
time there there was a lot going on with that
draft and a lot of excitement with that draft. I've said,

(01:30:31):
I think how people are putting a cap on how
good Bryce Young and really how good CJ. Stroud could
be are also reasons for it, Like I think that
the only home run people think is Anthony Richardson and
hopefully Bryce Young and CJ. Stroud can turn into Pro
Bowl caliber quarterbacks. That's the sense. That's the messaging that

(01:30:54):
I'm getting in breaking down this draft that for his
greatest Bryce Young is in him going number one. There's
still such a concern about his heightened body, you know,
frame that you're wondering on how successful can he be
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Yeah, I think some of it also comes back to
your point about media markets. It's also you know, who's
doing the selling right for the Giants and for the
Jets monumental picks because in our world, how many guys
that work in our business are Giants and Jets fans
New York. I may look at look who I work
with on a nightly basons anything the Jets do, I've

(01:31:34):
got to try to beat him off with a stick
to just say stop. But it's that kind of thing
that you flow through and with the Bears if they'd
been number one, because the woe is Meek quarterback, plus
the potential that Jordan Love takes over in Green Bay,
are the Bears that now position blah blah blah, what

(01:31:56):
does Justin Fields do? Like all of those storylines because
of the hower of the the coophony of sports rated
loudness jeez, loudness.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
I need a spelling of that one that was.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
It's just loud, loud and loud noisy, and you try
to pick what's reality from the crowd. And that's what
happens in these big marketplaces, whereas in Carolina, in Houston
and in Arizona, it's more about the dysfunction and what
we'll talk about that though, A right Steve Kaim is
going to be part of our draft coverage here with
Jay Glazer, uh Rob Stone and LaVar Arrington, and he'll

(01:32:37):
he'll be able to speak to what's going on in
that building and with those individual players. But they're going
to point right now, Buddha Baker the latest guy to
say I want out right, So Kyler's got his money,
and then you're trying DeAndre Hopkins either does or doesn't
want to be traded. Lamar Jackson may or may not
have said, Hey, how we need him in Baltimore If
I'm coming back, like all of these things and you've

(01:32:59):
got those are storylines beyond what happens in the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Yeah, yeah, no, very very very fair. I also just
I just even think of I just think may I
think that Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield were bigger stars
in college than C. J. Stroud and Bryce youngmore and
that helps as well. That really I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Well, Donald had that run with USC that everybody got
excited about, and then Baker. Everybody had to have an
opinion about Baker.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
It wasn't just he was a good player, it was
he was a brash guy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
And it's crazy to think of when you're talking about
two guys who went to Alabama and Ohio State of
not generating the buzz in terms of a draft. You know,
That's that's why you can't use the USC Oklahoma thing
because you know, I don't know two brands bigger than
Alabama and Ohio State. But there is a tangible difference

(01:33:56):
when you're talking about the two prospects and how we
viewed them and what we thought, you know, they could be.
You know, I mean Baker was such a on field show,
good or bad? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
You know that with Alabama and Ohio State, does it
do you think the history of quarterbacks and I think
a dack of success.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
I think it does for Ohio State. I really think
it does. And I don't think it's fair. I don't
think it's fair at all. And I mean, you know,
c J. Stroud made throws look so easy that you
just you know, they're not even considered They're not a mike,
they're not considered a strength because he makes them look
so normal. And it's not to say that c J.

(01:34:38):
Stroud is the perfect quarterback, but I think you also
saw c J. Stroud make gains throughout the year and
even become a more mobile quarterback. There was no threat
to run from c J. Stroud. Uh his you know,
first sixty percent of games in Columbus. But you know
that added to it. But I do think that the
the story of the ohi Io state quarterback. And truly

(01:35:02):
it's fair with Alabama as well. You know, you look
at their history. You know Tua and you know mac Jones.
Now you know Jalen hurts in a way trying to
change that narrative. But yeah, I think I think some
of that could definitely plan.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
And then you start adding defenders and trying to figure
out Jalen Carter's value and and start going down the line. Skorronsky,
you know what what team goes offensive line? Earlier? I
don't often get to talk about North.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
I knew that was there for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Hey, you know what it is. It is our show. Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
We got a Scaransky reference before o will Anderson just
just to be noted here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Yeah, but he comes from schools where they put in
thirty five guys. Man, I got a couple of uh,
you know, pro Day and scouting combine wonders.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
You got any any Sam Laporta you want to get
in Iowa Sam, any Lucas van Ness is that this.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Isn't the Iowa Sam Show. It's Harmon in fire. What
do we do?

Speaker 9 (01:36:01):
I've seen the port of going in the second round
in some of my drafts. I've seen Vaness top fifteen pick.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
We'll see. Oh man, thanks, I'm like, one thing we
do know is we won't be talking about trimp cocktail.
We'll be talking about barbecue a lot for the draft. Yes,
it is in Kansas.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
City, one of the cities I've never been, like main
cities sports team cities for in the US, I've never
been to Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Seems like you need to I do.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
I think I think I do. Who likes to I
like barbecue like wings. I've never been to Buffalo or
Kansas City. I know it's absurd, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
We're taking the show on the road. We've got com
rex as we can travel. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Yes we should, guys, I've had barbecue in Kansas I
was sam again. Yes it's me. Well, I was just
but I just jumping again.

Speaker 9 (01:36:52):
I've had barbecue in Kansas City, and I've had buffaloings
in Buffalo, rubbing it in my face.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Yeah, yeah, you want it? You want to spicy? Random
third place, so we can get the hat trick. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Fire has a sushi in Japan.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
How about that at anyone international line?

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At you? Yeah? Trump me?

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(01:37:32):
Welcome back in It's Fox Sports Radios. Fox Sports Sunday
Live from the tire Raq dot Com Studios by Karma
Dan Byer with you here as we turn our attention
to the National Basketball Association Big Game later on today.
A favorite in the series from the Betting Odds Dan
the Los Angeles Lakers taking on the Memphis Grizzlies. Grizzlies

(01:37:54):
the team that you either are full on in of
how they conduct themselves on the core, and by that
I mean the braggadocious kind of level even though you
haven't won anything, which I think rubs some people the
wrong way. But you know, they always say act like
you've been there, so they do that a bit along
the way. The Jahn morant off the court issues that

(01:38:15):
have trailed them for the entirety of the season. You
got a guy like Dylan Brooks, who some folks have
a liking problem, and you go on down the line.
Meanwhile the Lakers suddenly everybody's darling and everybody looking for
that Lebron James love one more time.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
It's funny because there's like this, I don't know if
a triangle of hate where the Grizzlies would try to
mix it up with the Warriors, but then the Grizzlies
would also chirp with the Suns. But yet the Sons
and Devin Booker chirping with Clay Thompson and the Warriors.
But I do think that the Kings are not the

(01:38:53):
Sacramento Kings. I should say the leaders in the clubhouse
in terms of trying to find and make enemy are
the Memphis Grizzlies, and they are a bit shorthanded. But
I do think of Game one and just what's happened
with the Lakers this week, momentum from the playing game
I think is minimal. I think this could be a

(01:39:16):
interesting series that goes the length that people feel that
it's going to go. I just don't think it turns
out that way. In Game one, I think Memphis rides
a lot of energy, but at some point, I think
some of this stuff does have to catch up with Memphis.
I don't think that the NBA wants Memphis in the
NBA Finals, at least not this year, because of all
the Ja Morant stuff that's gone on.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
I was just saying, coming into the year, they would
have been very excited. Yes, right, they were the team
on the com Jahn Morant becoming one of the faces
all the deals that he'd brokeer and now just a
lot of speculation in question marks around the off court
conduct and what it all means in the grand scheme.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
I think that they would much much rather have maybe
they'd rather have the Lakers win this series. I don't
know it'll be something for us to watch. I like
the Grizzlies today, but I do think that it could
play out to be the maybe a little bit longer
series than what today may indicate.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Well, we talk about the Lakers and the size right
and willingness to bang in the low post, and Anthony
Davis for all of the talk of fragility and for
the history of his career, it's warranted. He's saddled up
in all but two games now. One of them was
the Curious one after a loss, but because it was

(01:40:32):
already scheduled three weeks prior, It's like, this seems like
a must win. But then you go through and I
think it was Dennis Schreuder had done a thing two
months ago. Yeah, I think we need to win nineteen
of these games. Yet how many games they won?

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Nineteen exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
I called it to the which goes back to the
is it the Arian foster? Do they have the script
win everything?

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
When when loss loss? When when loss loss win loss
that's how you break it down. Do you think that
they picked losing to the Rockets on the second half
of the back to back or do you think they
just threw that in as a combo and we're like,
we just need to win one of the two.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Well, I think you get everybody excitable if you lose
to the Rockets, because then they jump off the bandwagon.
Or maybe that hate fuels you, maybe the hatred of
losing to a Rockets team you know that was tanking.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Adam Silver, are you buying the Lakers hype?

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
I think they're fun, and I said it, I think
with you and certainly with Smith is I like the
iteration of the squad where Lebron wasn't on wasn't on
the court. And I don't mean that like whenever you
can get stars on the court, you want them. But
there's a brand of basketball that I thought was pretty
fun to watch, unselfish moving the ball, Anthony Davis stepping

(01:41:51):
up at times. Statistically, it didn't always you didn't have
to be the monster in the box score, but everybody
got there. As Austin, You've suddenly became one hundred million
dollar player. If you were to believe the hype between
the social media and all the you know, gushing, flowing columns.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
You know, in saying everything with the Lakers, I go
back to one thing, and it's I'll just say this
of the game in Boston that they should have won.
And I think I think the Bucks are the best record,
Denver's the number one seed in the West, but I
think Boston's the best team in the NBA. And to

(01:42:29):
see all of the calls not go there their way
that game, and I know it's a different team because
Patrick Beverley was showing the ref the camera, yeah, you know,
during that game. Above anything else, you know, that's what
stands out to me of like, all right, the Lakers
can do this. And it was you know, Saturday night

(01:42:51):
Lakers Celtics National TV sort of game. So if anything
that tells me, yeah, the Lakers may have something in them. However,
what else, Oh, as they completely contradict myself and saying
that's Mike, I also look back to what happened on
Tuesday night. You know, in a game against the Timberwolves
where you make a run and then Minnesota pushes you

(01:43:12):
back at arm's length and then you know, cats and
foul trouble. Uh, they're already thin across the front line.
Edward was awful, Anthony Edwards was was awful, And Mike
is correct in that assessment. And you still had to
squeak out the game that you did and so at
which which one is it if you're the Lakers, because

(01:43:32):
I would think as a Lakers fan, you aren't losing
confidence after what you saw on Tuesday night.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Yeah, but you're happy to be in the dance.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Yes, right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
There's a difference for a game, for a season that
seemed to be lost because they're Laker fans. You've been
in La a while.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
It gets chesty, no, And I think it's it's actually
a conundrum that I think can be used against you.
It's like saying something to the police officer when you
were just pulled over. It and we'll be used against you.
You're an organization that settles for nothing less than championships.
It is how your legacy is talked about with your

(01:44:11):
seventeen championships. However, Mike, if you were to talk championship
with this team, you sound idiotic. But if you were
to say I just want to win a series, you're
saying that's not up to the Lakers standard, and you
can't say that when you have Lebron James and Anthony
Davis on the roster. So there is this, there is
this weird balance of damned if you do, damned if

(01:44:32):
you don't when it comes to Laker fans and dealing
with this sort of team. And so I just want
it to be known that I'm just criticizing the ones
that go against my point. That that's the main point
about it. But it's true, like in saying all of that,
like there's it's it's difficult to say, like there are
some people that do think that the Lakers have a

(01:44:52):
chance at winning the NBA title, and they don't. They
really don't. It's not going to happen. But also as
a Lakers you can't just say I just wanted to
make it to the Conference semis because that's not the
lakerway either.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
He's Dan Byer on Mike Carbon Fox Sports Sunday, Fox
Sports Radio. I know Dan's answer for this based on
his last four sentences. But we had fun with a
certain betting scenario at the Masters, and all our pressure
luck deal or no deal plunge, your hitting worked out
pretty well for us, right, as John Rahm ended up

(01:45:26):
winning the event that kept gabet if you cashed it out,
yes you did. Well. I've got another one for the Lakers, right,
We'll do it in a moment, But first it's Isaac Lolacrown.
He's got an update on what's trending.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
What's up?

Speaker 6 (01:45:37):
I low wells, We've actually got some breaking Major League
Baseball news on this Sunday for you. The New York
Yankees have just put John Carlos Stanton on the ten
day injured list, Yes, because of a strained left hamstring.
That just made official by the Yankees moments ago. John
Carlos Stanton to the ten day andrews.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
His hamstring gets stup Harlow, Very well done.

Speaker 5 (01:46:03):
Guy.

Speaker 1 (01:46:03):
Gotta steal the Michael Kase Jammaster jam.

Speaker 6 (01:46:07):
Master John Sterling if you will, yeah, yeah, Sentiments of
that kind expressed on social media heavily in the last
several minutes. I might add on opening that of the
NBA Playoffs, the Sacramento Kings led the Golden State Warriors
one twenty six to one twenty three in the final seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Here was Gary Gerald on k htk his bus past
the curry. He kurrn he wheels, he fires.

Speaker 5 (01:46:31):
He misses, buns l thereto and Sacramento has won game
number one. After seventy years without a playoff or experience,
they have.

Speaker 6 (01:46:42):
Risen to the occasions, and so did de Aaron Fox
Sports Radio with thirty eight points, tying the second highest
scoring playoff debut in NBA history. Earlier Saturday night, the
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Los Angeles Lakers. And what seed are they again?

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
Lebron not two, not three, not four, not five, not fix,
but the seventh seed in the Western Congress. All yours
guys at Isaac Low and Crown where you find him
on Twitter. As Dan and I are really having fun
with the Sacramento King's call. I'm waving my arms like
the wacky waving wind device that you use to get

(01:47:31):
you into a car dealership, and we're running Seinfeld lines.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
I think it's a great call, but I just thought
it sounds like Jerry Seinfeld. It's a what's the deal
with these gings?

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
You're having a great impression day, by.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
The way, because it's only one line, that's all. That's
a good point, right, I mean, hey, and I love
the call. And and who has the call in Keates
TK that.

Speaker 6 (01:47:55):
Is the legendary, long time, longtime radio voice of this
Zakabina King's Gary Gerald.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
Awesome, awesome stuff. I'm glad to get. You know, you
get that sort of excitement. Just had the just had
the Jerry Seinfeld you know, hint of it. There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
And obviously I had the Michael k on my brain
because one of the things in the rundown was the
fight over the long haired ball boy, which we'll get
to but John Sterling of course the home run. I
it was good. Thanks Ilo anytime, wait to look out.
I'm surprised we haven't heard any of your highlights from yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
Yeah, we're gonna get to some Angel City. We're gonna get.

Speaker 6 (01:48:35):
Oh hey, it's your call, because I think that is
against anchor etiquette to uh just happen to play their
own highlights.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
No. I thought they were really good. The second one
was phenomenal. Whenever you wanted. Glad for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Yeah, let's should we do it in ten.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
Yeah, let's do that in ten minutes. Here we'll also
do a major league baseball team is celebrating a milestone
and they're getting a lot of derision for it. We'll
talk about that coming up in ten minutes as well
as Ilo on the call from last night. But talk
about prop swaps and the opportunity when you've got these
future bets to go and just say, you know what

(01:49:13):
deal or no deal, what do we cost? Because the
Brooks Koepka deal ended up cashing out, and I want
to say it was like fifteen to six or thereabouts
when we talked about it. It was about a twenty
one thousand dollars payoff twenty thousand, six or seven hundred thereabouts.
But as the round started, that valuation goes down, just
like a deal or no deal you had in an

(01:49:34):
extra case, Uh oh, he's got another offer, and here
we have it. There's one and this one came off
the Barstool Network. Someone bet the Lakers four hundred bucks.
They bet them to win. The payout would be sixty
thousand dollars, Yes, the potential payout, and they were being

(01:49:55):
offered three thousand to bail before Game one of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, one, or.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Do you think maybe if you steal Game one against
the grizz maybe you can can ratchet that up a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
I I if the Lakers win this series, it's not
going to be in less than six games, So you would.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Say that tune in too, you would, you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Would have to it would be I don't know. I
don't know the like, I don't think the Lakers are
going to go up to h in this series at
any point, So I think it's going to stay at
about what it is. I yeah, I would cash it in.
I would cash it in yesterday if that was the case,
four hundred into three thousand, just because the Lakers want
to play in game like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
Yeah, it's a pretty good return on that investment. Absolutely,
with all of the circumstances that you laid out and
that we we piled together for that win over Minnesota,
I know they'd got it our guy, Scott Shapiro. So
I'm glad that Edwards and company had a better effort
on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
You had a really good effort on Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
Yeah, so so you at least got got saved there.
But yeah, cash it's a pretty good return on it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
I assume the BET's made when they weren't in the
playoffs at that point. Yeah, so so yeah, so like
you've you've done well for yourself. Time to cash out.

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
Yeah. I think the the bet was let me let
me verify. This was at plus. They were one hundred
and fifty to one to win it all at the
time this bet was made. So so yeah, take your cash,
go reinvest it, maybe go get yourself some nice pizza
and then go down the street to get from someplace up.

(01:51:42):
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(01:52:03):
I'm here for all of it. We'll talk about it
nextro on Fox. Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Fox
Sports Sunday. Here, Mike Carment, Dan Byer with you. Thanks
for being part of the extended family. Thanks to the
crew making a sound oh so pretty this morning. Tobo
and Sam Mark from earlier. He's probably knee deep in

(01:52:24):
napland right now. And of course our guy Isaac lohencrowd
with us here as we come to you from the
Tirack dot Com studios, and Dan, we'd be remiss. We Ilo.
I saw it, and I saw it posted to his instagram.
He was all suited up, looking all pretty, and then
he gave a couple of really passionate calls of goals
for Angel City. I'm much appreciated. Hey buddy, come on in.

Speaker 6 (01:52:46):
That's what I do, running loose on the streets of
downtown LA. On Saturday night, yeah, eighteen thousand at Bemo Stadium,
Angel City FC fell behind Racing Louisville two to nothing.
They had a dramatics second half comeback. They got on
the board to make it two to one, and then
here's what happened with just three minutes remaining in the

(01:53:06):
second half. I hear this announcer is pretty crummy. But
let's try and grid our way through it, shall we.
Ali Wiley against Malay, back to top to left sideline.
She's gonna pitchfork it to Weatherhole, goes to a castle.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
Tutte Wratch out for the top. My favorite part of
that the crowd, Thank you much.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Beautiful thing he laid out. Let it go, Let the
crowd tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
Let's go, crowd this beautiful stuff. I love that, Thank
you much. Appreciated that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Pitch fork it. You guys are more soccer heads than me. Uh,
it was good use of the term. But what am I?
What am I looking at it?

Speaker 6 (01:53:47):
That's when your leg is going through the same motion
as pitchforking like a bale of hay on the farm.
As I've never worked on a farm or in a
barn in my life, but you make the same motion
with your leg levitating the ball as you would a pitchfork.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
On the phone, Ah, gotcha, gotcha, here you go.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
He's kind of going, Doc Emrick, that's all right. Flipped
it zipped it, slapped it shuffled. Oh the auto tune,
Doc Emerck, I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
Yeah, from that soundboard, yes, right where you just kept
pressing all these buttons of different euphemism for shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
A puck's hey, hey, we do it at the desk,
for trying to describe how a team defeated another.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
Story of our lives so true.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Guillotined the great Tom Looney for you know so many
years at Fox Sports Radio, the master of it and
just in different versions, it's what you try to do,
just different ways of describing.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Different levels of violence, depending on who's at the desk. Yes,
there are some of those that can get you into
trouble these days. But that's a great well certainly, yeah,
it's you got you gotta be careful. But thanks Ilo.
We wanted to make sure we highlighted some of your
other endeavors here because thank you. Pretty cool. You know,
my daughter being the soccer player, I keep eyes on
a lot of what's going on. Even this CPL matchup

(01:55:05):
right now as we've we've got a little bit of
scuffle in the box. Uh as man you and Nottingham
Forest get after it. Yes I was.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
I was just gonna say there there are some some
uh phrases that are frowned upon that you know, we
we don't want to say in terms of Team A
defeated Team B.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
But we get some creativity there.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Yes, yes, not not from Tom Looney, from from others.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
But that's okay. Dan will take care of that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Unders guess what it's been taken care of. You just
put it that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
Way at Dan Byron Fox if you have suggestions at
Isaac Lowancrow where you find our guy Islo. Now the
Miami Marlins they're looking to have themselves a celebration.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Can I can I just quick hit pause? I'm sorry,
I want to get to the Marlins thing. Can we
give little things? You know? Other shows do it? Jimmy
Fallon does it? Can we can we try to give
like Ilo a phrase next week to say in a
match and he could play it back for us. I
love you're on? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
All right? Challenge accessorise that pays coming up with with Ilo?
All right, well we'll have to what's the deal with that?

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
That'd be great. So the Marlins are gonna do a
Bartman appreciation weekend. Owing back to that two thousand and three,
I was recounting the tale of I Remember where I
was well, because I'm a white Sox guy from the
South side of Chicago, so anything that really put the
Cubs in bad straits, it was okay. By me leaving
an NBA course, getting in my car, turning on the radio,

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call to try to catch up, and literally that's the
first play that happens. As I'm sitting in the car
adjusting you know, seat belts and whatever else, and obviously
a lot of other things had to happen for them
to lose. So they put this out on their social media,
and the Marlins claimed the release of a graphic which
included Jazz Chisholm Junior and Juan Pierre, was out an

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error and there wasn't, you know, really a serious talk
about promotion. But then there was an email that went
out promoting the idea, and this started to gain some
steam and a lot of people are you know, crying
foul saying, oh, I'll look at the what you're doing
to this poor guy, like he's part of the story.
He injected himself into the play. It's twenty years at

(01:57:34):
this point. He's not going to be mad that the
Marlins are doing a little bit of a celebration here.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
You know, when you look back at that play, to me,
I can't remember where I was at the time, just
for the simple fact of it was everything that happened afterwards,
that happened, so like the minute that I was doing it,
or you know, it was happening, I remember it it happening.
I just I can't remember where it was because Come

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still had the lead and I just did not think
that that play was going to cost the Cubs the game.
But then obviously as they blew it, then Steve Bartman's
face becomes the face of that loss.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
Melt down on the mound and normally sure handed shortstop
makes an error on a routine Remember there's also another game.
Much like the Buckner yep Bucker play, everybody seems to
forget that there was a lot more baseball that was bloody.
Do you think though Calvin Chiraldi got off easy.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Do you think the Marlins should have said, hey, moyses
moyses Alou, we're also going to honor your nineteen ninety
seven World Series championship, So why don't you come back
for these dates only to trick him and be like,
we're actually rubbing it in your face that you lost
in a three. That would be that that would be
a way to to really make the weekend worth something.

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Not that moyses Alu deserves it, because there was a
add to Bartman's angst.

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
Just say, you know, rubbing it in there. There was
always the rumor of how he toughened up his hands
rubbing it into oh to get ready to play. But
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a big iHeart Broadway guy, Dan Byer.

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
I know you are because we were talking some Broadway
and I had no idea what you were talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
Half the time, run around singings, Master of that House,
like Lawrence Tierney and George Costanza were in that famous
episode of Side See how I reweave this tapestry together?

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
Rochelle, Rochelle.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
Wasn't that a girl's journey from Milan de Mintz. Yeah,
eventually it was turned into a musical. It was a
good bit. I cycled back in, nicely done. Now we've
got action on the pitch, so Premier League. We had
a game earlier that ended in a two two tie,
and now, man, you looks to have taken a one
nil lead. One nil. I'm nodding in forced, but we've

(02:01:17):
got snow. On April sixteenth, and we have football playoffs.
Let's go as the XFL gets underway here on a Sunday.

Speaker 2 (02:01:26):
Listen. You're a Midwest guy. I'm a Midwest guy. Iowa.
Sam's a Midwest guy. I can tell from the name.
We all live in southern California now, and we all
live here for a variety of reasons. One of the
things though, that breaks the back of being like, all right,
I can't do this anymore, like I need to I

(02:01:47):
need to go move to Arizona, or I need to
move to Florida because I can't do this is snow
on April sixteenth. Like there is one thing, Mike getting
snow for the holidays in December. Everyone most everyone loves
a white Christmas. In fact, you could deal with it
throughout January and then you kind of have to deal

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with it in February. Once February kind of gets to
the back end, you see March knocking on the door,
You're like, all right, you can kind of you can
kind of move away snow. You don't need to March
on April sixteenth that I saw some pictures from Twin
Cities area. Charch actually posted one up. We just saw

(02:02:30):
on the screen deluthe white. Right. Now, that's the point
where you're just like, can't do this anymore, can't do
it anymore. It is the mid April snow, which by
the way, could be gone by Tuesday, depending on how
much you get. But that is the point that just

(02:02:50):
is it's the backbreaker. It's like, my goodness, can we
get springing into summer here soon enough?

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
Well? What's been odd here is in southern California as
you reference it, and maybe we've had all the torrential
rains and long standing after years of drought. Now all
those maps are clean. I know Colin has referenced that
his weather map readings on Thursdays and stuff as part
of his show. But you know they extended the ski

(02:03:18):
seasons because of this, right, big bears closing on April thirtieth,
and they may be able to go longer based on
the snow and been there, right, Yeah, all of a sudden,
we're drifting. Hey, the kids are out of school.

Speaker 3 (02:03:29):
What do we do?

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
We're gonna go skiing.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
That's I'll tell you. It's different though, when you can
escape down the mountain.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
No, that's it, right, go up there and then just
say all right, I'm going back to the beach.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
And it's also like if you're in Denver, you know, Colorado,
you are accustomed to, oh my goodness, we've got a snowfall.
But it's also they have the flip side of they
could have a really really nice day in February, you know,
where it could be like sixty or seventy degrees. Like
there's that is that back and forth you can live with.

(02:04:04):
It's this of why can't I leave? Why can't I
leave winter? You know, I am still here. I just
want this over with. And that's that's what April sixteenth
snowfall does. That's what pushes the midwesterner to go and
move to the Southern States to not have to deal
with this any long.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
Oh we talked about seasonal depression is a very real thing. Yes,
it's gonna have the happiest people in the world outgoing
as soon as the street fairs and and celebrations happen.
I know that from my hometown of Chicago. As soon
as you start getting all the block parties going in
through the summer, even when it's muggy as hell and
all of that, you celebrate all of it knowing that

(02:04:45):
eventually you're going to be back in to late October
November where it gets dark for six months.

Speaker 2 (02:04:50):
As a golf fan, the ten day forecast right around
Valentine's Day, to me was what I would look at,
because you know, if it's February fourteenth, you go ahead
ten days to the twenty third or twenty fourth. Now
you're darn near at the end of eight end of February,
and you're like, all right, is the weather going to
change from March? Am I going to be able to

(02:05:12):
go to the driving range? You know? How close could
these courses be open? So you're watching the ten day
forecast just hoping that spring is around the corner, no
matter what the groundhog said a couple of weeks back.
And now to be at April sixteenth and going on
your forecast and being like, ah, chance of snow, Yeah,
that's gonna drive you nuts. So so sympathies with those

(02:05:34):
dealing with the snow in Minnesota, and you know Duluth
and hearts in between the Luth and the Twin Cities.

Speaker 1 (02:05:43):
Well, but at least in the Twin Cities you get
to celebrate the Tea Wolves as part of the playoffs,
so you got a little bit of excitement there. Sure, Hey,
you know what, you got to find your wins wherever
you can. Dampire. It's one of the mantras of the show,
and one of the mantras of this year becomes the
why not us in the Western Conference? I think we've
had a lot more of that discussion. We talked about

(02:06:05):
the Lakers a little bit earlier. And perhaps it's just
money that's going to come in if the Lebron James
team is in the playoffs, people are going to cycle
in a little bit with Anthony Davis healthy and go through.
But one of the narratives that comes into the playoffs
is the fact that since nineteen ninety five, you haven't
had a team lower than a third seed win a title.

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Go back to Houston when they won it. You've had
a three seeds, you know, with a couple of examples Lakers, Mavericks,
et cetera, Bucks and the Bucks. So now we're looking
at the Bucks sitting there at the number one seed,
fifty eight to twenty four, a squad that even with
that record, and this is where it's you know, we
can grab and congregate all sorts of different nf NBA storylines,

(02:06:52):
But for the Bucks sitting there at number one. We
don't paying attention to them at all really during the
regular season until it became let's talk about MVPs. And
Giannis does a good job of campaigning for himself without
campaigning for himself. He's really become a master of that,
and I think he should give classes and ted talks
as to how to really prop yourself up without sounding

(02:07:13):
boastful and you can sound humble while doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:17):
I would argue, though, that Giannis is past winning MVPs.

Speaker 1 (02:07:21):
Oh, I'm one hundred percent with you. Yeah, but the
conversations that he's had to have the last couple well,
I feel like I'm in the MVP every year. Sure,
but he doesn't get grief. Everybody else gets flack from
putting themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
Yeah, and he's got two of them, you know. I mean, like,
I think that you know, the the greats of the game,
and I think that's that's where Joel Embiid and Nicola
jokicz are trying to go. And Jokicic is a two
time winner of They need success with their team to
He needs it to validate his two MVPs, and Joel

(02:07:54):
Embiid just needs an MVP to get into that conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:07:58):
Well, he'll take whatever you can get. It's a title run, great,
if it's an MVP, because great. Hey, He's just looking
for some validation beyond hey, you're a really good player,
congratulation for overcoming those early injuries.

Speaker 2 (02:08:10):
He needed something, maybe even a win over Boston. Maybe
a trip to the Eastern Finals will help. I'm not
even sure what Joelle Embiid needs. Actually he needs a
trip to the NBA finals. If you can navigate Milwaukee
and Boston, that would look really good on your resume.
And I just think, and I think Mike, the reason
why we haven't spoken about them too much is because
of just on how consistent they've been and how good

(02:08:33):
they've been. When they went on their winning streak, they
were talked about at that point and that allowed them
to overtake Boston in the East. But I think that
we just felt that at some point Milwaukee and Boston
were going to be on a collision course for the
Eastern Finals, and it was just who was going to
get the seventy six ers in the conference semis. In
the end, Milwaukee ends up winning out, but they should

(02:08:56):
get past the heat. They should be able to win
that series despite what you know happened in the the bubble.
I mean, the Bucks in their championship run were able
to dispatch Miami. I think you're gonna get a Miami
Heat team somewhere in between those two. But they should
win the series, and they honestly should beat the Knicks
er Calves. It's just that series with the Boston Celtics

(02:09:17):
that just has you scratching your head, and you forget
to last year when Boston made it to the NBA Finals.
The Bucks had a three to two lead. They went
to Boston and won, but they went back to Milwaukee
and lost, and then the Grant Williams game happened. You know,
I mean, so so and I and I think Boston's better.
I think Boston's better than they were a year ago,

(02:09:39):
and Milwaukee is a bit of a different team. But
when you point to that final game that they played
at the end of the regular season, the number one
seed MIC was still up for grabs. Still, you know,
the Bucks had an edge, and they had they had
they had a safety net, but it was still in
play and you could send a message to Boston, this

(02:10:01):
is who we are and end any threat that Boston
would have had for the number one seed, and the
Celtics go in to Milwaukee and smoke them by I
think forty one was the final death.

Speaker 1 (02:10:12):
We were on air looking at each other wondering what
was happening.

Speaker 2 (02:10:15):
Yeah, how do you how do you explain that? How
do you explain that when you know they also beat
you earlier on in the season. They ended up, you know,
taking two of three from the Bucks. But how do
you explain that after what transpired in the playoffs last year?
And so that goes to the point Mike of not
only is it turning it on and off, It's why

(02:10:35):
I think Boston is just best equipped. And I was
critical of Jason Tatum being like, they now know how
to win the NBA Finals. I'm like, well, you don't
know because you haven't done it yet. However, if Boston
doesn't win the NBA Finals, I would be surprised. I
have felt for a majority of the last three months
that the NBA Playoffs are going to be the Celtics

(02:10:57):
Invitational because of how good they are. One game does
not prove everything. But yesterday they came out and they're like,
all right, we're handling business again.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
Do you think that's the Jalen Brown gardening incident will
have any ill effect.

Speaker 2 (02:11:09):
Long term, maybe maybe on his flowers like.

Speaker 1 (02:11:12):
A baseball when when when that one was released?

Speaker 2 (02:11:16):
Yeah, yeah, a voss, A shattered voss. That's what it was, yes,
instead of like no, But Boston is just locked in
and that's it sounds very simple, but and you know
it's it's funny, Mike, because the Bucks won a title
two years ago and as a Bucks fan, you know,

(02:11:38):
there was a point that you had to you had
to make a decision and it all worked out in
the end where they win a title and they acquired
Drew Holiday, but they gave money to Eric Bloodshell and
Malcolm Brogden left and he was always just a Buck
like like even it wasn't like, yes, he was there

(02:11:58):
for twelve years, but yeah, like he just he felt,
you know, he fit in so well and so now
like it was one thing to have him on the
paincers where they weren't, but now for him as a
member of the Boston Celtics. Yeah, I just think I
think it's really gonna be tough for Milwaukee to get
to the NBA Finals because you have to go through Boston.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
Yeah, I like chaos in between the white lines. Right,
So why watching the Bulls game the other day against
the Heat. Look, I'm a Jimmy Butler guy, always was
one of my favorite guys playing, so him winning, Like,
I like the Heat squad, but they don't know obviously
they're a five hundred team sure so streaky sustainability whatever. Likewise,
the Bulls star Layden, You've got a bunch of guys

(02:12:38):
that should have been much better bringing Caruso becomes a
hero to the fans like he was here in Los Angeles.
It's like, this didn't work? Why did this not work?
Billy's out of him? Why did this not work? Well?

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
You like the Heat more than I do because I
you like Jimmy Butler. He's annoying. Tyler hero is like
machine gun Kelly that plays bass caball like that's that's
who he reminds me of. And I know he's good.

Speaker 1 (02:13:04):
That's a machine Kelly reference.

Speaker 2 (02:13:05):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (02:13:06):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (02:13:08):
Am I?

Speaker 1 (02:13:09):
Well?

Speaker 2 (02:13:10):
Neither can I? But they I mean like I, oh yeah,
Iowa Sam said I can't name one machine Kelly song
and I and I I can't either, But that's you know,
and Kyle Lowery, like you know, there's there's this when
Kyle Lowry was in Toronto, he never got the love

(02:13:33):
that he deserved. And then when you would criticize Kyle
Lowry from the national people, Raptors loved him. All the
Raptors fans would be mad. I mean, he had, you know,
a great game the other night. But uh, you know,
I I don't know if he's he's a lovable guy
like like bam ade Bio and you know, Max Struce
has done nothing to hurt me, you know, and maybe
Kevin Loves.

Speaker 1 (02:13:53):
You know, had that big game and Kevin y one,
but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:13:57):
I just I don't find the heat like extremely likable.
Just they're just that and keep culture just ends up
wearing me down.

Speaker 1 (02:14:04):
So I get you, but they are now your opponent
and you will have to vanquish them. Bull business.

Speaker 2 (02:14:12):
Yeah, your bulls have the names.

Speaker 1 (02:14:14):
They had the opportunity, and they failed, and they ended
up losing by eleven a game that they led most
of the way or were even virtually the entire game.
One point scored in the final three forty six on
Finday night. So that era is over for me. You know,
you talk about recency of the Bucks winning a title.

(02:14:34):
Looking at White Sox two thousand and five, Bulls go
all back all those years. The Bears were still living
on nineteen eighty five, and then Jonathan Tays skated his
last shift with the Blackhawks the other night, So that's gone.
I got nothing. Wildcats making a bowl game, making the
NCAA tournament. That's about all I got. Hey, that's our

(02:14:55):
top ten pick next week as the NFL Draft comes
to Fox.

Speaker 2 (02:15:01):
At least your Bears are trending upwards and you've got
future draft capital to keep in the back of your mind.
Is a nice, nice safe place.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
Well, and they've got people in charge that aren't directly
related to or haven't been lifelong friends of the mccaskeys
and Hollises, so that could help. That could help in
the evaluation process.

Speaker 2 (02:15:21):
Man, the Bears. You know I mentioned earlier on the
NFL is better when certain teams are good, and let's
go Finns tweeted at me, Oh yeah, okay, And so
I just said dolphins because his name was let's go
Fins and there was a dolphin helmet. I don't know
if I really believe that it's the Dolphins. I do
believe it's the Cowboys, and I actually do believe it's

(02:15:42):
the Bears. I think the NFL is better when the
Bears are good.

Speaker 1 (02:15:46):
There's always an entertainment because you celebrate defense. At least
his story to that, right, Yeah, and everybody loves a
good Walter Payton's story or highlight of him running through people,
which you can layer over the top of deer fighting
and bucks laying into one. That's how Walter Payton would
would get to contact along the sidelines, stepping out a bounce.

(02:16:09):
Not so fast. Oh, I'll tell you different times. I'll
go watch some Peyton highlights later on today, remember the
glory days. He's damn Bierl by car and it's Fox
Sports Sunday. Here Fox Sports Radio from the tirerac dot
Com studios. And coming up next, we turn our attention
to the National Football League big signing. Does it reek
of desperation or is it part of a master plan.

(02:16:31):
We'll tell you next here on Fox Greaties, Welcome back
in Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio, the Bullpen. It's
getting loud. I mean, Sunday is in earnest. We've got
games on the field, we got the XFL playoffs. We
got NBA playoffs coming up, a full day of Major
League Baseball action, and of course I got my eyes

(02:16:52):
miles and miles from from here on the pitch overseas
with the EPL rolling Dan Byron and I with you
here or the next half hour plus, and then Steve
Hartman's already in the circling in the wings. It's like
a hummingbird. He moves quickly and he travels a lot
of space. There's the laugh that you know so well.

(02:17:16):
So dan Odell Beckham Junior signs this deal. When we
last we spoke a week ago, he was supposed to
visit the Jets. Well that never happened. Fifteen million guaranteed
plus incentives becomes Dacosta's big ticket acquisition in Baltimore. Really
laying to rest or trying to or at least he

(02:17:38):
seems like he's checking boxes. All right, You can't yell
at me that I never spent on a receiver or
never tried, which was always erroneous because you can look
at their history of wide receiver leaders. They're all guys
that came from somewhere else. There are not a lot
of in homegrown guys that litter that leaderboard of receiving

(02:17:59):
yards or anything. You make this splash, and then there's
reports that come out Jeremy Fowler and others that Lamar
Jackson had been making the demands of Hey, I want
Odell and I want DeAndre Hopkins. Now Hopkins is still
in no man's land, but it doesn't seem like anybody
wants to play in Arizona. Whether that's a Kyler Murray
issue or just whatever the feel is from top on

(02:18:22):
down of how the organization is being run. Seems like
everybody wants wants out to go Vegas blackjack dealer and
extricate themselves from the situation. Buddha Baker the latest to
make his demands requests however, you want a term it known.
So we go through the process and you look at
all these different pieces. Ben Roethlisberger now chirpy because he's

(02:18:46):
got a podcast. He wants to talk about Lamar Jackson
in his accuracy, all of these things swirling around. But
does it strike as desperation? Does it strike as a
power play? A bit by Lamar Jackson who's made his
feeling known, So the Ravens are trying to bend to
his whims as best they can under the salary cap
or is it some divide between there and trying to

(02:19:09):
make the best of a bad situation.

Speaker 2 (02:19:11):
I initially had the hot take reaction to it. I
told you on many of shows my thoughts on Odell
Beckham Junior. I just don't think that he is the
receiver that has been hyped up to me anymore. I
don't know how you can. And I think that the
RAMS stay was actually more of the outlier than what

(02:19:33):
is the norm of just him fitting in seamlessly and
having a role on that team as they go and
win a Super Bowl and now you have another ACL
surgery and you're coming off of that, and now you're
in a different, just completely different scenario. Even the RAMS
show that you can't plug him play, you know, like
Alan bring it. Guess what we don't know don't have

(02:19:56):
OBJ anymore. We got Alan Robinson. Well that didn't necessarily work,
so it's not it's not just OBJ. I just don't
think that those scenarios work a lot. So I thought
to myself, number one, bad signing and quality of receiver,
and number two, the fifteen million with the eighteen million
guaranteed that's going to Odell Beckham Junior. I'm sure Lamar

(02:20:20):
would like some of that that.

Speaker 1 (02:20:22):
You know, you're Jommy Hamstring's a bit that top end
because you've already paid roquand Smith.

Speaker 2 (02:20:27):
Yeah, and none of this, none of this, none of
this has anything to do like Lamar not wanting to
sign with Baltimore's really has nothing to do with weapons
around him. It is all about the money that Lamar wants, guaranteed,
That's what it's about. So, Mike, on the surface, immediately,
my immediate gut reaction, which I've backed off from since.

(02:20:50):
But I just don't mind telling you what my gut
reaction was was bad move. And I don't know how
this changes the Lamar situation other than look at what
we have here. I do think there's a little bit
more of Okay, maybe I see sort of the Ravens
finessing this and trying to get Lamar to sign their
sort of deal. But I mean, it just it doesn't

(02:21:12):
to me. It doesn't. It doesn't work. I use, you know,
I've used a bunch of different examples in how to
you know, explain this, and I just it to me,
it's it shouldn't be enough to be like, hey, now,
Lamar's going to sign with US. I think it could
soften some of the bad feelings that the sides have had.

Speaker 1 (02:21:33):
Well, I wonder some of it is the Ravens playing
the long game, because they've all been talking, you know,
trying to speak things into existence. LeVar Ball style of
we're two hundred percent in right, we're a one hundred
million percent in on what's going to happen here. He's
our guy, he'll be under center. And part of it is, well,

(02:21:53):
you haven't had any offers, like anything that went to paper, yep, right,
because you've got to go through the processes with the league.
So while there may have been conversations and numbers thrown
into the air, that's all it is. Like, no formal
offer sheet from any team has transpired, which means the
Ravens are sitting there. And as I've said all along,
it's the best of both worlds for Lamar. It's all right.

(02:22:15):
If you want to go into the marketplace and go
prove that this market is really hot for you, have
at it, go do it. So Lamar gets what he wants. Unfortunately,
he didn't get the ego stroke and he doesn't have
an agent. This is where the agent, can you know,
give you the massage on the path to just say, hey,
tough stuff going on right here. Whereas the Ravens are like, well,

(02:22:39):
we couldn't come to a deal. We made a good offer,
whatever that was. Lamar at some point said it was
three for one thirty three that he turned down, but
he wanted a longer term because three for one thirty
three is in market range right when you when you
talk about it, just don't have the length. If three
for one thirty three guaranteed was the offer, there's the
bridge to that and.

Speaker 2 (02:22:59):
Why that again goes to my point of I don't
know how much Lamar Jackson believes he will get a
second contract or a third contract, because this would be
a second but another contract after he signs this one.
You're not going to sign the three or why wouldn't you.
Someone's going to pay after the third year. It's even
better for you.

Speaker 1 (02:23:15):
Yeah, just just to the idea then that the inevitability
is that you're creeping back of having to play on
this contract. So the Ravens are trying to make it
as soft as landing. Yeah, in the interim as again, look,
we brought you a star, whether he's a one two
three at this point. For however many games you can play,
whether he's got ACLS or not sure the medical marvel

(02:23:38):
running around the field based on what he's trying to sell.
But you've made at least an investment to say, all right,
you can't tell me it's not that we also changed
out the OC so we can make you the quarterback
that you wanted to evolve into. In theory, it's all
a salesman. And when the push comes to shove, is
he really going to leave thirty three million dollars on

(02:23:58):
the table on principle?

Speaker 2 (02:24:01):
I don't. I don't think he's going to be able
to unless you you know, you're doing this sitting out
for you know, however long, and then make sure you
get your year accrued.

Speaker 1 (02:24:11):
The old week ten, week eleven show up gunn.

Speaker 2 (02:24:14):
But I just you know, to me, it just it
may soften the blow, but you know, I use this
reference before, Like on on TikTok, there's all these videos
of like employers, you know, bringing in treats and stuff
like that, trying to soften the blow of like, all right,
this is what you aren't getting compensation wise, you know,

(02:24:35):
And it's the boss walking in with a you know,
smiley face and he's got a box of donuts or
a pizza or whatever, and like that's what this is
to me is, look, we've got you, Odell Beckham Junior.
We spent the money on Odell Beckham Junior, and here
you go, this is going to soften the blow. But really,
how far does that go?

Speaker 1 (02:24:56):
You know?

Speaker 2 (02:24:57):
Do you? Do you? I mean, if you're Lamar Jackson again,
what would you rather have? Would you rather have that
contract that the Ravens offered you and OBJ or the
one that you want? And you would rather have the
one you want? So that's why I just don't think
that Odell Beckham Junior really has any effect on Lamar's status.
Maybe when it gets down to it, it makes the

(02:25:20):
signing of the franchise tag less of a sting. But
in the grand scheme of things, if Lamar is staying
true to his word, it shouldn't have mattered one bit.

Speaker 1 (02:25:28):
Yeah, and at this point for Lamar Jackson and again,
go get go get your money right. No matter what
job you're in, if you can figure out how to
walk across the street and make it two percent more,
one percent more, whatever's going to make you quote unquote
happier have at it right, all things being equal, we
all want to get paid more, right, But you recognize systems, coaches, familiarity.

(02:25:51):
There's value to that. Yeah, institutional percentage, there is value
to that. You're also a guy who's missed chunks of
the last two seasons injury, yep, And a lot about
your toughness and who you were was questioned to where
you had to come out and defend yourself. Yeah, to say, hey,
it was a real injury. I wasn't just sitting out

(02:26:12):
because I was sitting out to make you watch pro bowler.

Speaker 2 (02:26:15):
Snoop, if everything is If everything is equal, and the
Ravens going to the season and Lamar Jackson's there, sends
his franchise tender, and Odell Beckham Junior is there, and
let's just say, Odell Beckham Junior stinks? Who's that going
to be on? It's my question do you say that
OBJ doesn't have it anymore because he has had two
ACL surgeries and you know, was out all of last season,

(02:26:38):
or do you say, look, Lamar couldn't even make it
work with Obj.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
It's a tough bet, right, Yes, as we know the
quarterback usually wears it.

Speaker 2 (02:26:48):
Yes, and I think that would be the case here,
which would be another reason why Lamar probably shouldn't be
as maybe thrilled about the signing.

Speaker 1 (02:26:56):
Unless he was. There was a good fan theory posted
that he was trying to get his guy paid well,
so he'e So I thought it was kind of fun
and they went out to the club to celebrate. But
to your point going back as to who takes a blame,
because think about the Alan Robinson whatever else other than

(02:27:17):
Sean McVeigh potentially walking away. He gets a free pass
from every movie because he's a genius. Sure like nothing
can work. Never never mind they didn't get a new
back or anything for Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 2 (02:27:33):
No, but there has been success like that, like even.

Speaker 1 (02:27:36):
Know you've got success. So it was all right, this
didn't work and we'll push it on down the line.
Hooper Cup got hurt beat, we did excuse making, whereas
in Baltimore, I don't know you're gonna get the same pass.

Speaker 2 (02:27:48):
Correct. Yeah, I agree with that, especially with the current regime.
You know, the Joe Flacco Super Bowl was not more
than ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (02:27:56):
Nicely done and DaCosta getting in front of microphones. My
word of advice, don't allow him to do it. Every
opportunity is caused nothing but chaos and turmoil, which is
I think part of the reason he got back into
giving Odell Beckham Junior fifteen million dollars that public slaplot

(02:28:16):
with Mishad Bateman and everything. I don't think it worked
to his advantage as it were. He's Dan byerl by
Carmen here, Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio fighting over
hair length in the Bronx and did you watch this
competition quarterbacks and other NFL stars trying to apply their
where's elsewhere? Yeah, get in there and sell, sell, sell.

Speaker 6 (02:28:39):
The Aaron Fox Sports Radio scored thirty eight times, the
second highest scoring playoff debut in NBA history. Today's playoff
action tips off at three pm Eastern as two seed
Memphis hosts the seventh seeded Los Angeles Lakers. And one
of the main trending topics in America right now is

(02:29:00):
Scott Foster. Scott Foster is going to be the referee
for Game one between the Lakers and the Grizzlies, and
I'm not sure it's a great thing when the referee
of a game is trending three hours before.

Speaker 1 (02:29:12):
It's a step off, but there you have it. Scott Foster.

Speaker 2 (02:29:14):
Always good when you know the ref's names, you know,
and there are a bunch in the NBA that you know.

Speaker 6 (02:29:20):
I mean, we had, you know, Dick Bavetta, Joey Crawford
back in the day, real distinctive guys, jac O'Donnell. And
now it seems that the only time we know the referee'
names are because they are infamous with a particular fans.

Speaker 2 (02:29:31):
Let's settle lebron. Foster's probably had the most impact on
these playoffs over the last decade, right.

Speaker 1 (02:29:36):
Probably a good yeah, good call. Hey, look into the
camera and tell me how you're going to overturn this
call in front of the home crowd.

Speaker 2 (02:29:42):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (02:29:44):
Foster could do that, Yes, Foster, because he's got the
ice in his veins.

Speaker 2 (02:29:50):
Which, by the way, was it was you know, I like,
I like unified celebration, so I didn't mind that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:57):
I thought you might have been sending the wrong message
to you. Got to think of the children.

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
You thought that they were injecting some sort of drugs.

Speaker 1 (02:30:04):
Potentially, Yes, the opportunity was there, ilo you got anything else,
We just just looking through the Scott Foster mentions. That's it.
There you go at Isaac Lohancron where you find him
on Twitter. Thanks Ilo, you bet you know.

Speaker 2 (02:30:18):
I didn't realize it, and I probably should have. But
in that Netflix Tim Donaghy piece like that's you know,
like when when Scottie Barnes earlier the season called you know,
Scott Foster cheater. There's a reason why then he got
tossed because of when you would see some of the

(02:30:39):
possible connections that that could have occurred. Record is the
reason why he's sensitive.

Speaker 1 (02:30:44):
Right, But records with players and certain officials like yes,
Chris Paul as it flowed like there's so many of
those stories and as you alluded to earlier in the program,
once you got all these gambling ties and everything that
flow through. And it's interesting because in Europe they're starting
to back away a little bit. Is the latest in

(02:31:05):
terms of business propositions that wondering, you know, the life
cycle here with everybody hot for it, now, how quickly
maybe that turns because of all these different human elements
and persuasions or potential biases that come up.

Speaker 2 (02:31:21):
The NFL is so popular that you know, the referees
because you see them every single week and they are
talking directly to you. So there is something to that.
But like there's a reason why in baseball we only
know Angel Hernandez. There's there's a reason for that. Like
we know, you know, we know when Gene steratare Is
you know, was talking to us or you know Carl

(02:31:43):
Scheffer's or whoever. Like we know these these faces because
they're speaking to us and we see them every Sunday. Yeah. Absolutely,
Now we know Sean Hockey, like we know, we know
the referees. But when when you aren't talking directly aside
from entering Mike Carrman's NBA referee boot camp for speaking
into a camera and microphone and explaining what happened, that's

(02:32:07):
the only time that you really directly see those guys.

Speaker 1 (02:32:09):
Don't be afraid you made the call. Hey, as we
come to you live from the tirac dot Com studios.
He's Dan Byron, Mike Harmon coming up next. We're talking
about telecast you and I a little bit earlier. We
need to get into that. What commercials should be broadcast
during your early windows? Oh boy, your early windows. Remember

(02:32:30):
the mantra that they've always told us is think of
the children. Add another to the list, and here's another
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all about? We'll talk about it next here on Fox.

Speaker 6 (02:32:42):
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Speaker 2 (02:33:15):
Yes the band.

Speaker 1 (02:33:17):
See how it all ties together?

Speaker 2 (02:33:19):
Iowa Sam does it?

Speaker 1 (02:33:21):
So we do. He's wearing a nice jaunty hat too.
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(02:33:43):
So happy for ilo, great call and I love having
them part of the show.

Speaker 2 (02:33:50):
And uh yeah, season just beginning.

Speaker 1 (02:33:53):
And he suited up dress as like a normal radio slob,
like like I do when he down here, but then
you know, suit it up to all tie and everything.
I still have those hanging in my closet. I have
not worn one in a long tie. Yeah, I haven't
had to wear one in a while. It's been a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:34:12):
Yeah, it's been a little while for me as well.

Speaker 1 (02:34:13):
I've got like multiple racks of them from when I
used to do a bunch of video stuff. Maybe I'll
just start recording myself doing all sorts of crazy stuff
dressed up like I'm in and AUF.

Speaker 2 (02:34:21):
You should make a training card and cut up the ties,
you know, pieces and sell Mike Harmon, Yeah, I like you.

Speaker 1 (02:34:30):
I really thought the the show warned type sweatpants would
have been a better seller for folks. But speaking of
of etiquette, Michael Kay made news this week when he
went after a Yankees ball boy who had had long
hair and was just talking about club policy and whatever,
and everybody thought it was a personal attack against the guy,

(02:34:53):
and I was like, well, no, it's just this is
why it's always been with the Yankees, and here's the outlier.
As as the ball boy, and you know, they get
a lot of screen time anymore, so he was making
his point known.

Speaker 2 (02:35:06):
Yeah, it wasn't wasn't it wasn't his fault. He was
dressed with how he was dressed and the hair was
how it was, and he didn't have an opportunity to
defend himself either. So it's just very it came off
very poorly.

Speaker 1 (02:35:20):
Yeah, evidently they had a good laugh about it. And
then Kay in response goes, you know, what, just the
world we're living in right now? Everybody sucks was his
summary statement. What just just the social media commentary, And.

Speaker 2 (02:35:35):
Yeah, it though, like yeah, you know, like I don't
know why he why everybody else has to stink and.

Speaker 1 (02:35:45):
Because he wanted you to get off his lawn. Hey
what they we'll talk about the catch maybe because maybe
they can get a league going of guys doing deep
sea uh fishing in the offseason, a bunch of NFL
players that that had its first iteration yesterday. But we
were talking about ads and what you know compels you
to watch, not watch as you're flowing through and some

(02:36:07):
of the the graphic nature of movie ads. I know
it's strung you.

Speaker 2 (02:36:13):
Oh my goodness, Mike, you know, Jason, your weekday partner,
Jason Smith, and I were in for Cavino and Rich
while you were out on Vaca on Wednesday. And this
was on the heels of TNT having the games and
airing the Pope's Exorcist promos. Oh they do Russell Crowe film, Yes,
throw out, And I got a two year old like
this is. This is new to me in the aspect

(02:36:35):
of watching something and now having to be cognizant of
what's on the screen. And if I'm just watching an
innocent NBA playoff game, then I think that, you know,
there there should be some level of you want to
talk about get off my lawn. But I'm like, gosh,
this is inappropriate. I don't want my two year old
seeing this. Then it doubles down yesterday on ABC when
the sun's still out where we are, and there's what

(02:36:57):
evil dead.

Speaker 1 (02:36:58):
Evil, yes, my goodness, like, which is much more graphic,
yes than the Pope's exercis.

Speaker 2 (02:37:06):
I just I don't get it. You know, if you're
sitting there, I can't imagine if you're sitting there watching
it with your you know, seven year old, You're watching
the game and they know a lot more about what's
going on? And see these promos? My goodness, NBA, can
we be a little better with these promos? Do I
sound like an old you know what?

Speaker 3 (02:37:24):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:37:24):
You started to bring your in fletching up like you're
a Jerry Side. What do you do? Horror brom on
five in the afternoon at Dan Byro on Fox at
Buyer Talk or he'll be doing that whole act.

Speaker 2 (02:37:39):
Coming out, YadA YadA, YadA, And I changed the channel.

Speaker 1 (02:37:41):
You know, he's got a new comedy set coming out.
He's coming to town. You want to say.

Speaker 2 (02:37:45):
I've seen him before.

Speaker 1 (02:37:46):
Actually, maybe we'll see the next iteration. Hey, NBA playoffs
coming up so much action. Appreciate you being with us.
He's Dan, I'm Mike. Thanks for hanging with us on
a beautiful Fox Sports Sunday,

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