April 18, 2023 • 32 mins
Doug weighs in on the Kings-Warriors series and the game two drama involving Draymond Green. Doug reacts to Lavar Arrington's take about the Jalen Hurts contract. Doug chooses among deserving candidates for who is most annoying today. Plus, he gives out his "Pick of the Day".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Years in
the Bonus with Doug gottlie.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus, Sarah Fox. Sports really
hurt real, lots of things to talk about. Got some football,
Joel Hurtson's big contract.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
What's it mean?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We'll break it down for you. Got what the Fox says?
Two different ways of looking at our lead topic of
the day, which is Draymond Green. One from Colin Coward,
one from Dan Patrick. He'll hear that upcoming. So by now,
I'm sure you're a ware. Draymond Green was ejected from
Game two of the Western Conference Playoffs, the game against
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Sacramento Kings. They lost the game two games around, down
two games and none. Darren Fox and Malik Monk others
played well, and the Warriors just not the same at
times without Draymond, and Jordan Poole continues to struggle. I'll
give you one basketball sort of insight and then i'll
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talk We'll talk about the Draymond thing. The first thing
that's really important is when you don't have Draymond, everyone
looks at well, he can't shoot, he doesn't score. You know,
he's not maybe as good as defender as he used
to be. But we looked too much at Draymond instead
of looking intotality or really at Steph. And there was
a discussion last week that was really triggered by Richard
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Jefferson where he's like, look, Steph Curry's you know, he's
not really a point guard and he plays better without
the ball. And that's true, but the construct of this team, Like,
here's you want some basketball insight. Okay, what's the difference
between having Kevon Looney, Andrew Wiggins, Klay Thompson and if
you don't have Draymond Green, you got you know, Gary
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Payton GP two or Jordan Poole on the team, right
as opposed to previous Warriors teams, Like go back in
and remember their roster and their their lineups years ago,
right where you know when when when they won championships?
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What do they all look like? Like, what's what's the
difference in this Golden State Warriors and previous Golden State Warriors,
like the really really good teams that won championships, not
just the Kevin Durant ones. But if you want to
go Kevin Durant that's fine as well, Right, But remember
one year they had Andrew Bogut, right, they had Andrew Bogan,
Kevin Durant, andre Iguidala. You know, they've had Sean Livingston.
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They went through and I don't think they win one.
They lost the year of Quinn Cook, but that was
Toronto Raptors. Even go back to the seventy three. The
difference is that when Steph is at his best is
when on his on their roster, on their roster and
on the floor with him is other are other guys
that can handle the basketball. The difference in Andrea Godala
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is not as talented a score when he was on
the Warriors as Andrew Wiggins is. But Andrea Gudala can
handle the basketball, can play like a point can play
center Wiggins cannot. Sean Livingston was a point guard in
high school, a point guard with the Clippers, and though
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a mid range scorer, he was essentially a point guard
with the Warriors. Draymond Green is like a point center.
Go back and look it. Outside of Klay Thompson, Andrew
Bogut was never a point guard, but a great elite
passer as a big guy. And so what happens is
even with Draymond Green, Steph has to have the ball
in his hands more often, and without Draymond Green, there's
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really nobody else who can who's comfortable handling the basketball,
and so he becomes a pick and roll player, becomes
easier to guard. You didn't you didn't see that one coming.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
All right, let's talk to Draymond Green. Here's she cal
O'Neill and Draymond last.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Night, I did the same thing. I really would don't
be grabbing me, because what am I gonna do? Like
if I stayed there and just try to run forward,
I'll fall. You got to get them up off here,
and if you're up off of you and you in
the way, you might get stumped. Though was a dirty
play of course, or was a dirty place?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Didn't just say that? Don't you just grabbed me, This
won't happen. So if you never grabbed them, that would't happen.
I would agree with that, thank you. I do agree
with that.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
But he gets another bad player said we don't grab.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
Me, but but I but if I grab you and
you can hit me with a.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Chair, it's like it's successive that he shouldn't like get.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Them all okay?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Well, but it was a song would you like to
get on the floor and show me the options when
when somebody grabbed you, move away, move just walked on
the floor and grab Michael. No, no, got a bad
this is this is not a ton.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I love that show. Okay, here, here's here's the thing.
Shack's completely right. What what exactly are you supposed to do?
What exactly are you supposed to do? Anybody know? I
sure as I don't know. So it's one of those
It doesn't make it right, but it it does make
it like, we again, what what is he supposed to
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do in this situation? But here's the thing that no
one has said outside of me. My freshman year at
Notre Dame, my first thing I was I was when
I signed there, I was told I'd be the starting
point guard right away. You know when what coaches say
is we'll put the ball in your hands.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It was a big reason for why I went there.
And we go through practice and I wasn't better than
that more white, he was better than me us. I
felt like I was a gamer. I would get a shot,
but I could couldn't really crack the code. Was never
on the first team. We played the first exhibition game,
and I played like ten minutes, twelve minutes, and I
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just remember this defeated feeling like, God, I'm never gonna play.
I was supposed to start. I'm not any good, and
the coach was like, dude, you're fine. You're just like
trust me to organically take care of itself. So the
second game, I was supposed to play more, but I
got four fouls. I got two early in the first
half when I came in, and then I got to
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cut another and so I think I played like twelve
minutes despite the fact I was supposed to play twenty
twenty five minutes in the second exhibition game. And it
was at that time that my dad pulled me aside
and he gave me some of the best advice I
can ever give somebody as a basketball player. Not all
coaches have the auto bench with two fouls, but many do.
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I would not, but John McLeod did. And the point
is this, my dad pulled me aside. He was like, hey,
he sat you because he got two in the first half. Yes, well,
you know, if you don't get your set first, you
can't get your second. Excuse me. He's like, if you
don't get your first, you can't get games to say,
don't foiule in the first half. Just don't get your first.
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Somebody gets somebody beats you, all right, you let him go.
You live to play, live to fight another day. Well,
the same is true with Draymond Green. You know, if
he doesn't get the first technical, none of this happens.
And I granted he can't go back twenty years or
fifteen years or ten years and fix his own personal
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history with officials and his own reputation. I understand that,
but you can absolutely control not getting your first. Just
stay out of the harm's way, stay out of all
this nonsense. You get that way in the fourth quarter.
You have a limited number of fouls, no technical fowls.
You can just go play and be yourself. That's the
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advice I'd give him. That's the the absolute stage wisdom
of the late great Bob Gottlieb. Here's Warriors head coach
Steve Kerr in his postgame press conference.
Speaker 8 (08:07):
I didn't see a play live, and then I didn't
see the replay.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
My as Zach Zarba, what happened?
Speaker 8 (08:15):
He told me, And I was busy with, you know,
getting the team ready. A couple one of the coaches
told me he might get ejected, and so I was
trying to, you know, prepare for what was next.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Okay, So he's like, I didn't see it, and I
honestly thought it was a play on. Like Sabonis falls down,
looked like he was trying to pull Clay down. Didn't work.
Then he grabs onto Draymond's foot and Draymond tries to
shake his foot free, like all of it was just
a comedy of airs play on. Here's Draymond on his
postgame press conference.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
What was the explanation that they give I know they
gave him a technical then obviously you.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
The explanation was I stump too hard?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
You said two times you've been held with Sabonis.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Both times it.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
Was Monk last year here right on the baseline under
the rim.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
So either you're going to stop it.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
John Goebel was looking at Monk hold my leg the
last game and it just let it go. And Zach
clearly was watching my leg get held this game and
let it go.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
So I guess ain'kle grabbing is okay?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean like I thought it was. I understand
what it's like to have your leg leg grabbed and
you know, I don't know about the second game in
a row, but the him and Sabona's like, just put
him in an octagon. Let him have at it, because
they're otherwise they're just flopping around there. Here's Mike Brown,
head coach of the Sacramento Kings, in his postgame press coverage.
Speaker 10 (09:49):
It's kind of marred by this situation when Draymond. Have
you seen a player stomp on another player like that
and then again go and got the crowd, stand up
on the scores table or the bench area and do
what he did like tonight, and I know you know
him personally. Just what are your thoughts on that entire scene.
Speaker 11 (10:06):
I didn't see what he did afterwards, but for sure,
so you know, it's a flagrant two for sure, and
it'd be interesting to see what the NBA does after
they review it.
Speaker 10 (10:18):
Just what are your thoughts on that entire scene.
Speaker 11 (10:20):
I didn't see what he did afterwards.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
But okay, so you know the whole theatric stuff is
actually the part that makes Draymond look like a clown.
The it's a flagrant too, and what should the league do?
Means he thinks that should be suspended, which I think
is would be ridiculously bad, like what are we doing here?
And you know, Mike Brown, how many questions were asked
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in that one question that you got that that was
a bunch. But Mike Brown clearly like, yeah, I know him,
but that doesn't mean I want to win this series.
So let's get Draymond suspended, which feels like the play
all along feels like to play all along from the
bonis like, how can we get him out of the series?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
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Speaker 2 (11:12):
Let's find out what the Fox says and now say
every day at this time and the Doug Gottlieb Show
in the bonus. In the bonus, we play for you
a portion of a previous show. We wanted to do
the juxtaposition of two of the all time greats in
terms of the sports radio yaking, which we have only
here for you on Fox Sports Radio, Dan Patrick and
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Colin Cowherd talking about Draymond Green. Let's talk start with
Dan Patrick.
Speaker 12 (11:39):
We always acknowledge Draymond Green's basketball IQ. Right, we talk
about him being a smart player. But this is a
dumb play because he was selfish and then after how
he reacted, it was about him. And I think if
he could have said it in the moment, Hey, listen
to my podcast, I'm going to reaccord that after the show,
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he probably would have tried to do that. It's we
give him a we give him credit all the time.
Oh man, he's a smart basketball player. He does some
stupid things. This is a guy who started the season
punching a teammate, so like, you can't be surprised that
he would do this to the opposition. He punched his
own teammate and here we are, and he didn't fire
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up his team.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And it was a close game.
Speaker 12 (12:27):
So the problem I have with it is i'd say twofold,
but it's probably more than that. It's a close game.
It's four points, so bonus is gonna get a technical
Steph will make the free throw. You got the ball,
you're down three, seven minutes to go, You've a terrible
road team, You're in this you have a chance to
take this game, steal this game. And Draymond Green got
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selfish and made it about him, and then the theatrics.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
After like, where's Steve Kerr?
Speaker 12 (12:58):
Steve grab him to tell let's go to the locker room.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You're not helping the situation.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Okay, there's a lot to it. Let me first. Let
me then hear Colin Cowherd's take on the exact same discussion.
Speaker 13 (13:14):
This is what eighties basketball was. Draymond's the last vestige
of it, and you're complaining about it. I love him.
I think he's great. Yes, he works for my podcast company.
But the reason I got him is because he's raw
and authentic. By the way, Charles Barkley was an enforcer,
and everybody loves Charles Barkley.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
By the way.
Speaker 13 (13:32):
I saw a story this week. You know who Lebron
wants on the team, and Anthony Davis they want Draymond Green.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Say what you will.
Speaker 13 (13:39):
When you're twenty five years old, you don't understand every
great team. In my childhood, the Sixers had tough guys,
the Sonics, the Blazers, the Bulls, the Lakers, the Pistons.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You had to have one.
Speaker 13 (13:53):
It's like in hockey, somebody has to protect Gretzky, somebody
has to protect the star. In the NBA, you've got
to have an annoyance, a guy that's willing to give
his body up. Sabonis is a tough guy. I covered
his dad. He knows what the game's all about. You
complain about the physicality of basketball. How we're doing romanticizing
thirty for thirties on a Knicks team that couldn't shoot.
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We're not doing it because they were pretty. We're doing
it because they were tough. No problem at all. Thought
the ejection was silly. Uh and I cannot believe they'd
throw him out of the series. That would be reckless
by the commissioner.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Not the ejection was silly. I didn't think it was
the case of Draymond being Draymond. There were the first
technical foul was some of the old Draymond thrutch er.
But theatrics and between him and Sibonis, it's a flop fest.
And I agree with with with Colin in that every
great team has had a guy sort of like this.
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Here's the issue, though, is that that that act works,
but she gotta be able to play right like Dennis
Rodman was that guy now when he was the worm
with the Detroit Pistons teams, he was the best defender
in the league when he went to the Spurs and
with the Bulls, Uh, he was a very good defender
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but an incredible rebounder, and they just kind of dealt
with it. But most of his theatrics they weren't directed
at the refs as much as sometimes his own team
or sometimes the other team. The the issue with Draymond
is like one, and we can get to the Lakers
thing like he not worth a max contract. Those guys
are invaluable, but they're actually there's a set value to
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them and when you're trying when you need I don't
think that's what the Lakers need. That's not what the
Lakers don't need. Toughness and you know, basketball like Q,
and basketball like Q, by the way, is don't get
your ass fucking thrown out of a game that we're
trying to win. Here, you get thrown out of a
Wednesday night when you're playing in Charlotte and nobody gives
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a shit, right not game two when you've never been
down two games to none since the Warriors have been
making their run. So there is a lack of like
just there are times in which he loses his mind.
But then the WWE thing like that is such fucking
clown show.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
The clown show ends up making it feel like it's
a bigger deal than it is. The reality is Sabona's
fell down. He probably grabbed his foot because he didn't
want to get stepped on, which of course led him
to get stepped on. Okay, it happens, We move on.
I wouldn't have called a fucking thing. What are you
calling a foul for? Because it all started when Siboni's
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It felt like he was trying to bring down Klay Thompson,
you know, when when he was getting boxed out. Maybe
he just lost his balance. Okay, I'll give him the
benefit of the doubt. Then he grabs on to Draymond
Green's foot, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
He even want to get stepped on, and I'll give
Draymond the benefit of the doubt that he's just trying
to get his foot free. All fine, play basketball. This
whole thing is beyond ridiculous and stupid. And I understand though,
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where Dan Patrick's coming from, and that even in this situation,
if I disagree that he's being selfish, the constant Draymond
Green bombardment and the constant thought that he's part of
this discussion and I'm just wondering what he's gonna do next. Well,
that's good for entertainment value. It does not appear to
be good right now for the Golden State Warriors. All
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that shit. When it's working, when you guys are humming
along and you're beating people, fine, Otherwise, go out and
win games. Don't say shit. This is LeVar Arrington talking
about Jalen Hurts new contract.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I'm gonna say this first and foremost, like, let me
speak from a very very commonplace. Anyone who works themselves
into a situation where they can make ten figures upon
signing a piece of paper you've won. Secondly, the interesting
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thing is is that for it to be a five
year deal, this is probably a strong possibility. If he's
still playing well, and if his trajectory continues to be
on the same path that it's on right now, that
contract gets redone before you even get to five years.
I don't even think they complete the contract.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
No, you're right.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
So with that being said, we can talk about all
the numbers and the fluff that's connected to the contract.
But if he's playing well, then he's playing with house
money because he's going to play himself into another contract.
They're going to restructure him. What they'll come to him
in like year three, year four and restructure him because
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they're not even going to want him to get to
the end of the deal, and they'll be like, well, hell,
we're going to give him a whole lot more money
now rather than wait for him to get to the
end of the deal and could possibly leverage free agency,
or we might have to put the franchise tag on
him and do all that stuff. We're going to get
the deal done with him now.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay. So there's a lot to unpack there, right, but
the basics of it are this, he didn't get the
five years fully guaranteed. He got a ton of money.
It appears that the structure is going to be that
there's going to be a huge, huge cap hit in
the final year's, final two years of the contract, which
many people believe that the cap is going to so expand.
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It may not be as punitive, but that will lead
the Eagles if he plays well, to ultimately redoing the deal.
If he ain't good, they're screwed. So this is giving you,
giving you cap flexibility early, giving you, you know what,
your your fixed costs are in your quarterback, and given
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you a quarterback for the next four or five years
without any question Philadelphia. But boy, he better continue his
upward trajectory. I said yesterday in the radio show. He's
earned it. This is how it usually works. Do I
think it's an overpay, it's a massive overpay, Like he's
a good quarterback, He's not that good. But this is
how it's almost always worked in the sport. And it
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feels like Philadelphia is paying as much for his leadership
as he is his actual pay, which I'm fine with. Like,
if this this is how they feel about the guy
they know, they drafted, they groomed great. Okay, many people,
myself included, we are like, I don't know if he'll
be the starting quarterback in twenty in twenty three after
watching him play in twenty one, and of course he
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was an MVP candidate this past year, and they go
to Super Bow and he plays well. So do I
think he's a top five quarterback?
Speaker 10 (20:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Do I think that the contract isn't overpay? Sure? Do
I think that it matters? Is not my money?
Speaker 6 (20:25):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's interesting that Philadelphia's putting themselves in this similar position
they put themselves in before. But they know him, they
love him, the players seem to like playing with him,
and if they can keep some form of the roster
that they've kept, there's no reason to believe that they
won't have the stability with their team they have with
their quarterback as long as he stays healthy and continues
to improve. That's what the Fox said, I say.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
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Speaker 2 (21:04):
Let's find out who's annoying.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
What do you got there, Jase two?
Speaker 9 (21:17):
Doug, remember a few weeks back when Kendrick Perkins had
that back and forth with JJ Reddick and I know
you got involved as well. And there's this big like
thing about how the MVP race has become toxic, and
then Joel Embiid actually kind of weighed in on that
and said, yeah, I don't like the conversation around this.
It's unfortunate, this is this has become a negative thing.
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Doc Rivers said the same thing. Well, last night, after
the Sixers win, Joel Embiid said this about his statistics.
Speaker 14 (21:50):
I won three blocks. Only three blocks, me, Papa, we
need a Memphis goalkeeper, Denver Memphis past. I thought I
have more, but you know, that's that's a level that
I gotta get. I gotta get to, and I'm.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Going to do it every day now.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
Just for context there, the Defensive Player of the Year
was announced yesterday, Jared Jackson of Memphis, and he's looking
at his stats and he's like, three blocks, that's all
I got. He's like, I should get the scorekeeper at Memphis,
which was just a shot I think at the defensive
Player of the Year. And you could say it's kind
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of you know, it's joking around and Joel. We like
Joel being candid, but you can't have it both ways,
you know, we can't say that the MVP talk has
become negative and I don't really want to any part
of that. And then once somebody else gets the defensive
Player of the year, just not be gracious. He's just
kind of taking shots at the kid. Something annoys me about.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
This, Doug, I hear you, but I would also tell
you that for example, for example, I played at UNLV
my senior year and they had another point guard named
Mark Dickle, who was was a close competitor in terms
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of the assist race the year before and that year
as well at point guard to lead the country. And
the first year I had fifteen, we played him back
to back years in Vegas, which never happens, like usually
you play a team home and home whatever. I'll never
forget I walking off the court after the second time
we played him and I was like, coach, how are
we going to play Vegas back to back years. I'm
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gonna play Vegas back to back years. And he's like
that Billy Beino. He couldn't organize a fist fight anyway,
So you don't usually play back to back years on
somebody else's home floor, but we did. Anyway. We got
done the game the second year and we look at
the box score and I had five assists and we
lit them up pretty good. And I don't know how
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when you play sports, which you do, but when I
play sports, I know my stats pretty well to a
tee without ever having to look at a statue. And
it's interesting. It's one of those things my coach my
senior year got onto me about looking at the stat
sheet at halftime. He's like, you know, you know, all
you care about is your assistants, Like coach, I know
how many assists I have. I'm looking at it for
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everything else, you know, to find out everything else that's
going on in the game statistically. But the point is,
I know when I have five assists. I know when
I have fifteen, and I had by my account, I
had thirteen or fourteen and one was We're kind of fusched. Anyway,
we actually went great of the film out. I had
it down at fourteen. One of the other guys I
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was watching with me had it at thirteen. We petitioned
the NCAA. I think I ended up getting eleven, getting
credit for eleven. But what's interesting is if I had
gotten fourteen, I would have finished tied with Greg Anthony
for sixth all time the assist list. So there are
scorekeepers that can help you. I feel for Joel Embiid.
If it is Memphis guys blowing it up, I think
it's more directed at the Memphis scorekeeper than it is
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at Jaron Jackson.
Speaker 9 (25:07):
You know, Jalen hurts. He got this big contract yesterday.
So over the last twenty four hours there's just beend this.
You know sports talk radio debate shows, who would you
take right now? Jalen Hurts Are Lamar Jackson right? Two guys.
One's up per a contract. One just got the contract.
And the majority of people, the majority of the people
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that do this for a living, are saying they'll take
Jalen Hurts. And this is what is annoying about this
because a year ago or just after the twenty twenty
one season, the same people that would take Jalen Hurts
over Lamar Jackson were saying that Jalen Hurts is simply
a placeholder for Deshaun Watson, Aaron Rodgers, or whoever the
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Eagles could draft. Jalen Hurts was a short term replace
until the next big thing a year ago, and now
you're taking him over over Lamar Jackson. Now you can
change your mind, and you can have a different opinion
given new information. I get that, but the FCC should
mandate that before you talk with conviction or on authority
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about something, you should have to say before I say anything.
Last year, I thought he was a placeholder. I thought
he was just there for the short term, and now
my opinion has completely changed on him. There should be
a disclaimer. You just can't talk with conviction about something
after having an opinion that was the exact opposite a
year ago.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I don't know anybody does that. That was funny, And
I didn't say I did to know when I say
I don't didn't know any but it does that, you know,
I'm talking about other people anyway. I generally agree. I
also think though, that if we're going to do that,
we have to we have to give people the benefit
of that, the best of that. This was a widely
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shared opinion at the time, right like the old co
the old takes exposed oftentimes, looks at today through the
lens of today, you know, and we can. I mean,
you looks at yesterday through a lens of today. Yesterday
is a different lens. Things change now. I'll even give you,
like my Steph Curry eval at the time, where I
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thought he'd be a Jeff Horniseck type, the NBA is
different now than when he was drafted, and was different
than the NBA ten to fifteen years ago. It's evolved greatly.
The sport has evolved, not just the players themselves, but
to that I do agree. The no no I told
you all along when I was completely full of it.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
I mean, if you want to take it to another step.
But this also shows you how full of shit draft
prognosticators are and analysts when they talk with conviction about
who the best quarterback in this draft is. No one
knows shit. Okay, I just looked back over the last
five years. These were the names of people that were
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supposedly going to be first round good NFL quarterbacks right
to a tongue of Violoa, Jordan Love, Zach Wilson, the
late Dwayne Haskins. Each of those guys were taken in
the first round the last five years. Jalen Hurts was
a second round pick. I don't remember what the talk is.
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At the time, I thought it was like, yeah, that's
kind of a nice pick for a backup quarterback or whatever.
But every time you hear someone this week or over
the next ten days talk with authority or conviction about
who the best quarterback is in this draft, they're full
of shit because nobody knows.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I agree with you on that one, no question about it.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
Speaking of the draft, Scott Fitter, the GM of the Panthers,
they have the number one pick. He traded up to
get the number one pick. It's so funny to hear
these guys because the reporters have to ask the questions
and the executives kind of have to answer it, but
they give a bunch of non answers. Here's the latest
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version of a non answer by an NFLGM when asked
about the draft.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We have our the last kind of group in today.
We have the coaches Wednesday and Thursday of this week,
and at that point we'll get together and kind of
make that decision.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
But we've got some clarity through this process.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
We've got some clarity through this process. Somehow has become
a headline. If you google a Fitterer and clarity on
Twitter right now, you'll find no less than ten outlets
claiming that this is news, as if there's some kind
of progress in knowing who the Panthers are taking, that
he's got some clarity. That vague language, right there is
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something that the media has blobbed onto. The vague language
around the draft is annoying to me. Maybe there should
be a Maybe there should be like a gag order.
The NFL should be like, look, you can't ask questions
and you can't answer questions about the draft because everything
in between is just nonsensical. I don't tell me there's clarity.
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I don't even know what the clarity means. I hear
it every week on The Bachelor. They want to gain clarity,
they're seeking clarity. No, no one knows what the hell
that means.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Oh, there's lots of uh. There's lots of words that
people use that they don't actually mean what they were.
They they're just overused, right. I want to be heard,
I want to be seen. I need great clarity, you know.
I had to find my balance. But yes, the clarity
that's been given, we know what he means. But the
vagueness of it is comical, comical. So that's what I
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have to choose from Joel embiid Jalen Hurt supporters or
the vang language of the about the draft. Yes, I'll
do the vague language about the draft, just because there's
all different sorts of ways in which they talk around
actually talking about stuff, and it's it's kind of an art,
but it's a it's a paint by numbers art because
people are doing the same stuff that they've done for
a long time. So NFL draft guys that use vague
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language to say nothing at all, let's get to our
pick of the day.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you, baby. It's time
for the pick of the day.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Pick of the day. Let's go to the NBA Playoffs
where we have three games. You got Hawks Celtics. Celtics
a ten point favorite in game two, Yes, a ten
point favorite in Game two. Two thirty one is the
over under Nicks Calves. The Calves are a six point
favorite in game two. Again, both these teams, Celtics and
Calves are at home, and the Sons are an eight
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point favorite, eight point favorite to the Clippers at home.
I love the Suns on the money line. I really
really like the Sons of the money line. Eight points
doesn't feel right to me. It just feels way way
too big. So like the Clippers, like the Knicks, like
the Hawks. I think all three games are exceptionally close.
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Put them in a box. You are welcome. There's our
pick or picks of the day. All right, that's it
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on Doug Gottliebiss is the Doug gotlieb Show. In the
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All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Years in
the Bonus with Doug gottlie.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus, Sarah Fox. Sports really
hurt real, lots of things to talk about. Got some football,
Joel Hurtson's big contract.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
What's it mean?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We'll break it down for you. Got what the Fox says?
Two different ways of looking at our lead topic of
the day, which is Draymond Green. One from Colin Coward,
one from Dan Patrick. He'll hear that upcoming. So by now,
I'm sure you're a ware. Draymond Green was ejected from
Game two of the Western Conference Playoffs, the game against
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Sacramento Kings. They lost the game two games around, down
two games and none. Darren Fox and Malik Monk others
played well, and the Warriors just not the same at
times without Draymond, and Jordan Poole continues to struggle. I'll
give you one basketball sort of insight and then i'll
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talk We'll talk about the Draymond thing. The first thing
that's really important is when you don't have Draymond, everyone
looks at well, he can't shoot, he doesn't score. You know,
he's not maybe as good as defender as he used
to be. But we looked too much at Draymond instead
of looking intotality or really at Steph. And there was
a discussion last week that was really triggered by Richard
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Jefferson where he's like, look, Steph Curry's you know, he's
not really a point guard and he plays better without
the ball. And that's true, but the construct of this team, Like,
here's you want some basketball insight. Okay, what's the difference
between having Kevon Looney, Andrew Wiggins, Klay Thompson and if
you don't have Draymond Green, you got you know, Gary
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Payton GP two or Jordan Poole on the team, right
as opposed to previous Warriors teams, Like go back in
and remember their roster and their their lineups years ago,
right where you know when when when they won championships?
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What do they all look like? Like, what's what's the
difference in this Golden State Warriors and previous Golden State Warriors,
like the really really good teams that won championships, not
just the Kevin Durant ones. But if you want to
go Kevin Durant that's fine as well, Right, But remember
one year they had Andrew Bogut, right, they had Andrew Bogan,
Kevin Durant, andre Iguidala. You know, they've had Sean Livingston.
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They went through and I don't think they win one.
They lost the year of Quinn Cook, but that was
Toronto Raptors. Even go back to the seventy three. The
difference is that when Steph is at his best is
when on his on their roster, on their roster and
on the floor with him is other are other guys
that can handle the basketball. The difference in Andrea Godala
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is not as talented a score when he was on
the Warriors as Andrew Wiggins is. But Andrea Gudala can
handle the basketball, can play like a point can play
center Wiggins cannot. Sean Livingston was a point guard in
high school, a point guard with the Clippers, and though
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a mid range scorer, he was essentially a point guard
with the Warriors. Draymond Green is like a point center.
Go back and look it. Outside of Klay Thompson, Andrew
Bogut was never a point guard, but a great elite
passer as a big guy. And so what happens is
even with Draymond Green, Steph has to have the ball
in his hands more often, and without Draymond Green, there's
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really nobody else who can who's comfortable handling the basketball,
and so he becomes a pick and roll player, becomes
easier to guard. You didn't you didn't see that one coming.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
All right, let's talk to Draymond Green. Here's she cal
O'Neill and Draymond last.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Night, I did the same thing. I really would don't
be grabbing me, because what am I gonna do? Like
if I stayed there and just try to run forward,
I'll fall. You got to get them up off here,
and if you're up off of you and you in
the way, you might get stumped. Though was a dirty
play of course, or was a dirty place?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Didn't just say that? Don't you just grabbed me, This
won't happen. So if you never grabbed them, that would't happen.
I would agree with that, thank you. I do agree
with that.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
But he gets another bad player said we don't grab.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
Me, but but I but if I grab you and
you can hit me with a.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Chair, it's like it's successive that he shouldn't like get.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Them all okay?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Well, but it was a song would you like to
get on the floor and show me the options when
when somebody grabbed you, move away, move just walked on
the floor and grab Michael. No, no, got a bad
this is this is not a ton.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I love that show. Okay, here, here's here's the thing.
Shack's completely right. What what exactly are you supposed to do?
What exactly are you supposed to do? Anybody know? I
sure as I don't know. So it's one of those
It doesn't make it right, but it it does make
it like, we again, what what is he supposed to
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do in this situation? But here's the thing that no
one has said outside of me. My freshman year at
Notre Dame, my first thing I was I was when
I signed there, I was told I'd be the starting
point guard right away. You know when what coaches say
is we'll put the ball in your hands.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It was a big reason for why I went there.
And we go through practice and I wasn't better than
that more white, he was better than me us. I
felt like I was a gamer. I would get a shot,
but I could couldn't really crack the code. Was never
on the first team. We played the first exhibition game,
and I played like ten minutes, twelve minutes, and I
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just remember this defeated feeling like, God, I'm never gonna play.
I was supposed to start. I'm not any good, and
the coach was like, dude, you're fine. You're just like
trust me to organically take care of itself. So the
second game, I was supposed to play more, but I
got four fouls. I got two early in the first
half when I came in, and then I got to
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cut another and so I think I played like twelve
minutes despite the fact I was supposed to play twenty
twenty five minutes in the second exhibition game. And it
was at that time that my dad pulled me aside
and he gave me some of the best advice I
can ever give somebody as a basketball player. Not all
coaches have the auto bench with two fouls, but many do.
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I would not, but John McLeod did. And the point
is this, my dad pulled me aside. He was like, hey,
he sat you because he got two in the first half. Yes, well,
you know, if you don't get your set first, you
can't get your second. Excuse me. He's like, if you
don't get your first, you can't get games to say,
don't foiule in the first half. Just don't get your first.
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Somebody gets somebody beats you, all right, you let him go.
You live to play, live to fight another day. Well,
the same is true with Draymond Green. You know, if
he doesn't get the first technical, none of this happens.
And I granted he can't go back twenty years or
fifteen years or ten years and fix his own personal
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history with officials and his own reputation. I understand that,
but you can absolutely control not getting your first. Just
stay out of the harm's way, stay out of all
this nonsense. You get that way in the fourth quarter.
You have a limited number of fouls, no technical fowls.
You can just go play and be yourself. That's the
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advice I'd give him. That's the the absolute stage wisdom
of the late great Bob Gottlieb. Here's Warriors head coach
Steve Kerr in his postgame press conference.
Speaker 8 (08:07):
I didn't see a play live, and then I didn't
see the replay.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
My as Zach Zarba, what happened?
Speaker 8 (08:15):
He told me, And I was busy with, you know,
getting the team ready. A couple one of the coaches
told me he might get ejected, and so I was
trying to, you know, prepare for what was next.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Okay, So he's like, I didn't see it, and I
honestly thought it was a play on. Like Sabonis falls down,
looked like he was trying to pull Clay down. Didn't work.
Then he grabs onto Draymond's foot and Draymond tries to
shake his foot free, like all of it was just
a comedy of airs play on. Here's Draymond on his
postgame press conference.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
What was the explanation that they give I know they
gave him a technical then obviously you.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
The explanation was I stump too hard?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
You said two times you've been held with Sabonis.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Both times it.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
Was Monk last year here right on the baseline under
the rim.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
So either you're going to stop it.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
John Goebel was looking at Monk hold my leg the
last game and it just let it go. And Zach
clearly was watching my leg get held this game and
let it go.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
So I guess ain'kle grabbing is okay?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean like I thought it was. I understand
what it's like to have your leg leg grabbed and
you know, I don't know about the second game in
a row, but the him and Sabona's like, just put
him in an octagon. Let him have at it, because
they're otherwise they're just flopping around there. Here's Mike Brown,
head coach of the Sacramento Kings, in his postgame press coverage.
Speaker 10 (09:49):
It's kind of marred by this situation when Draymond. Have
you seen a player stomp on another player like that
and then again go and got the crowd, stand up
on the scores table or the bench area and do
what he did like tonight, and I know you know
him personally. Just what are your thoughts on that entire scene.
Speaker 11 (10:06):
I didn't see what he did afterwards, but for sure,
so you know, it's a flagrant two for sure, and
it'd be interesting to see what the NBA does after
they review it.
Speaker 10 (10:18):
Just what are your thoughts on that entire scene.
Speaker 11 (10:20):
I didn't see what he did afterwards.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
But okay, so you know the whole theatric stuff is
actually the part that makes Draymond look like a clown.
The it's a flagrant too, and what should the league do?
Means he thinks that should be suspended, which I think
is would be ridiculously bad, like what are we doing here?
And you know, Mike Brown, how many questions were asked
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in that one question that you got that that was
a bunch. But Mike Brown clearly like, yeah, I know him,
but that doesn't mean I want to win this series.
So let's get Draymond suspended, which feels like the play
all along feels like to play all along from the
bonis like, how can we get him out of the series?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
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Speaker 2 (11:12):
Let's find out what the Fox says and now say
every day at this time and the Doug Gottlieb Show
in the bonus. In the bonus, we play for you
a portion of a previous show. We wanted to do
the juxtaposition of two of the all time greats in
terms of the sports radio yaking, which we have only
here for you on Fox Sports Radio, Dan Patrick and
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Colin Cowherd talking about Draymond Green. Let's talk start with
Dan Patrick.
Speaker 12 (11:39):
We always acknowledge Draymond Green's basketball IQ. Right, we talk
about him being a smart player. But this is a
dumb play because he was selfish and then after how
he reacted, it was about him. And I think if
he could have said it in the moment, Hey, listen
to my podcast, I'm going to reaccord that after the show,
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he probably would have tried to do that. It's we
give him a we give him credit all the time.
Oh man, he's a smart basketball player. He does some
stupid things. This is a guy who started the season
punching a teammate, so like, you can't be surprised that
he would do this to the opposition. He punched his
own teammate and here we are, and he didn't fire
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up his team.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And it was a close game.
Speaker 12 (12:27):
So the problem I have with it is i'd say twofold,
but it's probably more than that. It's a close game.
It's four points, so bonus is gonna get a technical
Steph will make the free throw. You got the ball,
you're down three, seven minutes to go, You've a terrible
road team, You're in this you have a chance to
take this game, steal this game. And Draymond Green got
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selfish and made it about him, and then the theatrics.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
After like, where's Steve Kerr?
Speaker 12 (12:58):
Steve grab him to tell let's go to the locker room.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You're not helping the situation.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Okay, there's a lot to it. Let me first. Let
me then hear Colin Cowherd's take on the exact same discussion.
Speaker 13 (13:14):
This is what eighties basketball was. Draymond's the last vestige
of it, and you're complaining about it. I love him.
I think he's great. Yes, he works for my podcast company.
But the reason I got him is because he's raw
and authentic. By the way, Charles Barkley was an enforcer,
and everybody loves Charles Barkley.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
By the way.
Speaker 13 (13:32):
I saw a story this week. You know who Lebron
wants on the team, and Anthony Davis they want Draymond Green.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Say what you will.
Speaker 13 (13:39):
When you're twenty five years old, you don't understand every
great team. In my childhood, the Sixers had tough guys,
the Sonics, the Blazers, the Bulls, the Lakers, the Pistons.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You had to have one.
Speaker 13 (13:53):
It's like in hockey, somebody has to protect Gretzky, somebody
has to protect the star. In the NBA, you've got
to have an annoyance, a guy that's willing to give
his body up. Sabonis is a tough guy. I covered
his dad. He knows what the game's all about. You
complain about the physicality of basketball. How we're doing romanticizing
thirty for thirties on a Knicks team that couldn't shoot.
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We're not doing it because they were pretty. We're doing
it because they were tough. No problem at all. Thought
the ejection was silly. Uh and I cannot believe they'd
throw him out of the series. That would be reckless
by the commissioner.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Not the ejection was silly. I didn't think it was
the case of Draymond being Draymond. There were the first
technical foul was some of the old Draymond thrutch er.
But theatrics and between him and Sibonis, it's a flop fest.
And I agree with with with Colin in that every
great team has had a guy sort of like this.
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Here's the issue, though, is that that that act works,
but she gotta be able to play right like Dennis
Rodman was that guy now when he was the worm
with the Detroit Pistons teams, he was the best defender
in the league when he went to the Spurs and
with the Bulls, Uh, he was a very good defender
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but an incredible rebounder, and they just kind of dealt
with it. But most of his theatrics they weren't directed
at the refs as much as sometimes his own team
or sometimes the other team. The the issue with Draymond
is like one, and we can get to the Lakers
thing like he not worth a max contract. Those guys
are invaluable, but they're actually there's a set value to
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them and when you're trying when you need I don't
think that's what the Lakers need. That's not what the
Lakers don't need. Toughness and you know, basketball like Q,
and basketball like Q, by the way, is don't get
your ass fucking thrown out of a game that we're
trying to win. Here, you get thrown out of a
Wednesday night when you're playing in Charlotte and nobody gives
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a shit, right not game two when you've never been
down two games to none since the Warriors have been
making their run. So there is a lack of like
just there are times in which he loses his mind.
But then the WWE thing like that is such fucking
clown show.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
The clown show ends up making it feel like it's
a bigger deal than it is. The reality is Sabona's
fell down. He probably grabbed his foot because he didn't
want to get stepped on, which of course led him
to get stepped on. Okay, it happens, We move on.
I wouldn't have called a fucking thing. What are you
calling a foul for? Because it all started when Siboni's
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It felt like he was trying to bring down Klay Thompson,
you know, when when he was getting boxed out. Maybe
he just lost his balance. Okay, I'll give him the
benefit of the doubt. Then he grabs on to Draymond
Green's foot, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
He even want to get stepped on, and I'll give
Draymond the benefit of the doubt that he's just trying
to get his foot free. All fine, play basketball. This
whole thing is beyond ridiculous and stupid. And I understand though,
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where Dan Patrick's coming from, and that even in this situation,
if I disagree that he's being selfish, the constant Draymond
Green bombardment and the constant thought that he's part of
this discussion and I'm just wondering what he's gonna do next. Well,
that's good for entertainment value. It does not appear to
be good right now for the Golden State Warriors. All
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that shit. When it's working, when you guys are humming
along and you're beating people, fine, Otherwise, go out and
win games. Don't say shit. This is LeVar Arrington talking
about Jalen Hurts new contract.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I'm gonna say this first and foremost, like, let me
speak from a very very commonplace. Anyone who works themselves
into a situation where they can make ten figures upon
signing a piece of paper you've won. Secondly, the interesting
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thing is is that for it to be a five
year deal, this is probably a strong possibility. If he's
still playing well, and if his trajectory continues to be
on the same path that it's on right now, that
contract gets redone before you even get to five years.
I don't even think they complete the contract.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
No, you're right.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
So with that being said, we can talk about all
the numbers and the fluff that's connected to the contract.
But if he's playing well, then he's playing with house
money because he's going to play himself into another contract.
They're going to restructure him. What they'll come to him
in like year three, year four and restructure him because
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they're not even going to want him to get to
the end of the deal, and they'll be like, well, hell,
we're going to give him a whole lot more money
now rather than wait for him to get to the
end of the deal and could possibly leverage free agency,
or we might have to put the franchise tag on
him and do all that stuff. We're going to get
the deal done with him now.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay. So there's a lot to unpack there, right, but
the basics of it are this, he didn't get the
five years fully guaranteed. He got a ton of money.
It appears that the structure is going to be that
there's going to be a huge, huge cap hit in
the final year's, final two years of the contract, which
many people believe that the cap is going to so expand.
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It may not be as punitive, but that will lead
the Eagles if he plays well, to ultimately redoing the deal.
If he ain't good, they're screwed. So this is giving you,
giving you cap flexibility early, giving you, you know what,
your your fixed costs are in your quarterback, and given
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you a quarterback for the next four or five years
without any question Philadelphia. But boy, he better continue his
upward trajectory. I said yesterday in the radio show. He's
earned it. This is how it usually works. Do I
think it's an overpay, it's a massive overpay, Like he's
a good quarterback, He's not that good. But this is
how it's almost always worked in the sport. And it
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feels like Philadelphia is paying as much for his leadership
as he is his actual pay, which I'm fine with. Like,
if this this is how they feel about the guy
they know, they drafted, they groomed great. Okay, many people,
myself included, we are like, I don't know if he'll
be the starting quarterback in twenty in twenty three after
watching him play in twenty one, and of course he
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was an MVP candidate this past year, and they go
to Super Bow and he plays well. So do I
think he's a top five quarterback?
Speaker 10 (20:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Do I think that the contract isn't overpay? Sure? Do
I think that it matters? Is not my money?
Speaker 6 (20:25):
I do not.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's interesting that Philadelphia's putting themselves in this similar position
they put themselves in before. But they know him, they
love him, the players seem to like playing with him,
and if they can keep some form of the roster
that they've kept, there's no reason to believe that they
won't have the stability with their team they have with
their quarterback as long as he stays healthy and continues
to improve. That's what the Fox said, I say.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (21:04):
Let's find out who's annoying.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
What do you got there, Jase two?
Speaker 9 (21:17):
Doug, remember a few weeks back when Kendrick Perkins had
that back and forth with JJ Reddick and I know
you got involved as well. And there's this big like
thing about how the MVP race has become toxic, and
then Joel Embiid actually kind of weighed in on that
and said, yeah, I don't like the conversation around this.
It's unfortunate, this is this has become a negative thing.
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Doc Rivers said the same thing. Well, last night, after
the Sixers win, Joel Embiid said this about his statistics.
Speaker 14 (21:50):
I won three blocks. Only three blocks, me, Papa, we
need a Memphis goalkeeper, Denver Memphis past. I thought I
have more, but you know, that's that's a level that
I gotta get. I gotta get to, and I'm.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Going to do it every day now.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
Just for context there, the Defensive Player of the Year
was announced yesterday, Jared Jackson of Memphis, and he's looking
at his stats and he's like, three blocks, that's all
I got. He's like, I should get the scorekeeper at Memphis,
which was just a shot I think at the defensive
Player of the Year. And you could say it's kind
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of you know, it's joking around and Joel. We like
Joel being candid, but you can't have it both ways,
you know, we can't say that the MVP talk has
become negative and I don't really want to any part
of that. And then once somebody else gets the defensive
Player of the year, just not be gracious. He's just
kind of taking shots at the kid. Something annoys me about.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
This, Doug, I hear you, but I would also tell
you that for example, for example, I played at UNLV
my senior year and they had another point guard named
Mark Dickle, who was was a close competitor in terms
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of the assist race the year before and that year
as well at point guard to lead the country. And
the first year I had fifteen, we played him back
to back years in Vegas, which never happens, like usually
you play a team home and home whatever. I'll never
forget I walking off the court after the second time
we played him and I was like, coach, how are
we going to play Vegas back to back years. I'm
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gonna play Vegas back to back years. And he's like
that Billy Beino. He couldn't organize a fist fight anyway,
So you don't usually play back to back years on
somebody else's home floor, but we did. Anyway. We got
done the game the second year and we look at
the box score and I had five assists and we
lit them up pretty good. And I don't know how
(24:01):
when you play sports, which you do, but when I
play sports, I know my stats pretty well to a
tee without ever having to look at a statue. And
it's interesting. It's one of those things my coach my
senior year got onto me about looking at the stat
sheet at halftime. He's like, you know, you know, all
you care about is your assistants, Like coach, I know
how many assists I have. I'm looking at it for
(24:21):
everything else, you know, to find out everything else that's
going on in the game statistically. But the point is,
I know when I have five assists. I know when
I have fifteen, and I had by my account, I
had thirteen or fourteen and one was We're kind of fusched. Anyway,
we actually went great of the film out. I had
it down at fourteen. One of the other guys I
(24:43):
was watching with me had it at thirteen. We petitioned
the NCAA. I think I ended up getting eleven, getting
credit for eleven. But what's interesting is if I had
gotten fourteen, I would have finished tied with Greg Anthony
for sixth all time the assist list. So there are
scorekeepers that can help you. I feel for Joel Embiid.
If it is Memphis guys blowing it up, I think
it's more directed at the Memphis scorekeeper than it is
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at Jaron Jackson.
Speaker 9 (25:07):
You know, Jalen hurts. He got this big contract yesterday.
So over the last twenty four hours there's just beend this.
You know sports talk radio debate shows, who would you
take right now? Jalen Hurts Are Lamar Jackson right? Two guys.
One's up per a contract. One just got the contract.
And the majority of people, the majority of the people
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that do this for a living, are saying they'll take
Jalen Hurts. And this is what is annoying about this
because a year ago or just after the twenty twenty
one season, the same people that would take Jalen Hurts
over Lamar Jackson were saying that Jalen Hurts is simply
a placeholder for Deshaun Watson, Aaron Rodgers, or whoever the
(25:54):
Eagles could draft. Jalen Hurts was a short term replace
until the next big thing a year ago, and now
you're taking him over over Lamar Jackson. Now you can
change your mind, and you can have a different opinion
given new information. I get that, but the FCC should
mandate that before you talk with conviction or on authority
(26:18):
about something, you should have to say before I say anything.
Last year, I thought he was a placeholder. I thought
he was just there for the short term, and now
my opinion has completely changed on him. There should be
a disclaimer. You just can't talk with conviction about something
after having an opinion that was the exact opposite a
year ago.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I don't know anybody does that. That was funny, And
I didn't say I did to know when I say
I don't didn't know any but it does that, you know,
I'm talking about other people anyway. I generally agree. I
also think though, that if we're going to do that,
we have to we have to give people the benefit
of that, the best of that. This was a widely
(27:02):
shared opinion at the time, right like the old co
the old takes exposed oftentimes, looks at today through the
lens of today, you know, and we can. I mean,
you looks at yesterday through a lens of today. Yesterday
is a different lens. Things change now. I'll even give you,
like my Steph Curry eval at the time, where I
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thought he'd be a Jeff Horniseck type, the NBA is
different now than when he was drafted, and was different
than the NBA ten to fifteen years ago. It's evolved greatly.
The sport has evolved, not just the players themselves, but
to that I do agree. The no no I told
you all along when I was completely full of it.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
I mean, if you want to take it to another step.
But this also shows you how full of shit draft
prognosticators are and analysts when they talk with conviction about
who the best quarterback in this draft is. No one
knows shit. Okay, I just looked back over the last
five years. These were the names of people that were
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supposedly going to be first round good NFL quarterbacks right
to a tongue of Violoa, Jordan Love, Zach Wilson, the
late Dwayne Haskins. Each of those guys were taken in
the first round the last five years. Jalen Hurts was
a second round pick. I don't remember what the talk is.
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At the time, I thought it was like, yeah, that's
kind of a nice pick for a backup quarterback or whatever.
But every time you hear someone this week or over
the next ten days talk with authority or conviction about
who the best quarterback is in this draft, they're full
of shit because nobody knows.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I agree with you on that one, no question about it.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
Speaking of the draft, Scott Fitter, the GM of the Panthers,
they have the number one pick. He traded up to
get the number one pick. It's so funny to hear
these guys because the reporters have to ask the questions
and the executives kind of have to answer it, but
they give a bunch of non answers. Here's the latest
(29:05):
version of a non answer by an NFLGM when asked
about the draft.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We have our the last kind of group in today.
We have the coaches Wednesday and Thursday of this week,
and at that point we'll get together and kind of
make that decision.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
But we've got some clarity through this process.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
We've got some clarity through this process. Somehow has become
a headline. If you google a Fitterer and clarity on
Twitter right now, you'll find no less than ten outlets
claiming that this is news, as if there's some kind
of progress in knowing who the Panthers are taking, that
he's got some clarity. That vague language, right there is
(29:41):
something that the media has blobbed onto. The vague language
around the draft is annoying to me. Maybe there should
be a Maybe there should be like a gag order.
The NFL should be like, look, you can't ask questions
and you can't answer questions about the draft because everything
in between is just nonsensical. I don't tell me there's clarity.
(30:02):
I don't even know what the clarity means. I hear
it every week on The Bachelor. They want to gain clarity,
they're seeking clarity. No, no one knows what the hell
that means.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Oh, there's lots of uh. There's lots of words that
people use that they don't actually mean what they were.
They they're just overused, right. I want to be heard,
I want to be seen. I need great clarity, you know.
I had to find my balance. But yes, the clarity
that's been given, we know what he means. But the
vagueness of it is comical, comical. So that's what I
(30:34):
have to choose from Joel embiid Jalen Hurt supporters or
the vang language of the about the draft. Yes, I'll
do the vague language about the draft, just because there's
all different sorts of ways in which they talk around
actually talking about stuff, and it's it's kind of an art,
but it's a it's a paint by numbers art because
people are doing the same stuff that they've done for
a long time. So NFL draft guys that use vague
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language to say nothing at all, let's get to our
pick of the day.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you, baby. It's time
for the pick of the day.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Pick of the day. Let's go to the NBA Playoffs
where we have three games. You got Hawks Celtics. Celtics
a ten point favorite in game two, Yes, a ten
point favorite in Game two. Two thirty one is the
over under Nicks Calves. The Calves are a six point
favorite in game two. Again, both these teams, Celtics and
Calves are at home, and the Sons are an eight
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point favorite, eight point favorite to the Clippers at home.
I love the Suns on the money line. I really
really like the Sons of the money line. Eight points
doesn't feel right to me. It just feels way way
too big. So like the Clippers, like the Knicks, like
the Hawks. I think all three games are exceptionally close.
(31:57):
Put them in a box. You are welcome. There's our
pick or picks of the day. All right, that's it
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