Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger talk Kawhi Leonard and NFL Draft!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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All right, a little history today with this show. First
of all, Rich is in studio today. Yeah, it has
been a long time since I've seen you, my friend,
face to face.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've we've been like passing ships, and
a lot of it is due to the technologies offered
to us in modern society. And then also, look, I've
I've had a couple of things pop up over the
past bunch of weekends that have prevented me from doing
this show and others. But you know, when you're being
invited to swanky events, you got to show sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, I want you to take a good look at
the studio because you're not going to see it again.
That's true. Yeah, I got the email. Next weekend we
will be moved into the new studios across the hall here, Iowa,
Sam is getting ready? Sam? Are you sure that you're
ready for the new studios, the new technology, because I

(01:21):
know the board that you're looking at has been around
since when When is how long has that board been around?
It was at nineteen seventy eight, I believe. I believe
it's got the decades. It's got the wood framing around that.
You know, that's when you know it's nostalgic at least
the early nineties. Yeah, I mean I have been in
these studios for like almost twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
You came with the studio pretty much was crazy, Like
they converted an old Denny's and they're like, there's a
gentleman who worked the line for a while here, and
well he wants to stay and talk.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
If these walls could talk, I mean wow, I mean hello.
So anyway, yeah, next weekend we're going to be new studios.
It will be the same same, but it won't be
it will be so anyway, I'm just started taking it
all in and just remembering everything good and bad that
has happened in these studios. We got a lot to
talk about today, Richie. We got the NFL Draft coming

(02:15):
up on Thursday, and we're going to get into the draft.
But I got to start things off first of all
with what is going on with the Clippers. Yeah, yeah,
so the Clippers and Sun's series. As you know, last Sunday,
we were here and you made a bold prediction. I

(02:35):
did a bold prediction that the Phoenix Suns would sweep
the Los Angeles Clippers. That immediately went sideways. It went
sideways immediately. But in the meantime, the Sons have rattled
off three straight wins and taken command of the series.
And I got is Manzi here already. I want to

(02:57):
get Monzi into early conversation here here.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
She made it known that she was here. She came
running down the hallway halfway so she could be in
front of the studio windows here so she could wave
to me, because I knew exactly what was coming, right, So.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Normally we wait till the bottom of the hour to
welcome Manci Bolano. So months I'm not going to waste
any time on this. Everyone listening has been anticipating this moment.
Off you enriched together. First of all, let's go back
to that first game. Yes, why Leonard destroyed?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yes, the Phoenix suck where he did whatever he wanted.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
He did whatever he wanted. I mean, he was by
far the best player on the court in game one.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I know when he went off in Game one, I
was like, Wow, Kawhi Leonard's the best player on the
planet again. Yeah, and this is going to be a
Toronto Raptors run for the La Clippers. And I said,
sons in four, Yeah, and I'm about to be making
a whole lot of eggplant parmer.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah you are. Yeah. And the way Game two started
with the more of dominating.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, uh, it look.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Like, Wow, if anything, it's going to be a Clippers
sweep if they get this game too. And then Phoenix
finally woke up and they came back at one Game two.
But you're like, all right, well, I mean, Kawhi is
at the top of his game, right, this is going
to be great for the Clippers. They'll get PG back
for the next round, but they'll be fine in this series.
And then they come home and they're like, yeah, well,

(04:26):
Kawhi is not gonna play. Game three is going to Kawhi.
And then after a heroic effort by Norman Pale and
Russell Westbrook to keep things close. In game three, you're like,
all right, well this will be okay, so kwhile feel
better in game four? No, he doesn't play Game four.
Westbrook has a phenomena game, but it's simply not enough. Now, Monci,

(04:51):
what are your thoughts about the Kawhi Leonards situation currently
in this series against the Sun.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
It is impossible to not be frustrated. It is impossible
to not be upset about it. To be honest, it's
just something I don't understand. Granted, I've never played professional sports,
but with Kawhi it's that he doesn't play when he's
not one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's with Kawhi, that's his thing.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
And for me it's like I played through so much pain,
like my dad, my brothers.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
It's like, oh can you walk? Great? You can play?

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah. Let me ask you this, Rich and all your
time of playing football at every level, how many games
did you and your teammates play in which you felt
one hundred percent physically?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Great question?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I want to say zero, right, I want to say zero.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
And there's really if you think about it from an
athletics standpoint, and I would include Kawhi into this because
it's difficult subjectively to pacete like a percentage on how
healthy a guy may feel. From an outsider's opinion, he's
playing less than one hundred percent. But there are certain
people who either a they throw caution to the win

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more than others, they feel comfortable throwing more risk into
the equation than others and playing through certain things than others.
Or they have a higher threshold for pain and it
doesn't distract them as much as others. And that's again,
it's subjective, it's specific to the individual. And certain guys
I played with legitimately played with ACL tears and you

(06:24):
wouldn't know it because they were still productive and you're
just like, how did you how did you do that?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah? Like Philip Rivers, who never missed a start in
his entire career, Is he one hundred percent for every
one of those starts?

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
He's one of the players who played on a recently
touring ACL that I was.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Talking about in the AFC Championship. Yeah, because it was
the AFC Championship game and it was surgically repaired weeks earlier. Yeah,
it was just outrageous.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I played with a guy named Logan Mankins, who a
lot of people will forget. But anybody who played against him,
anybody who played with him, anybody who observed it offensive
line play during his you know, decade of dominance at
his position at left guard in New England with the Patriots,
knows that that's one of the toughest and baddest dudes
you've ever met. He played eight games on a fully

(07:13):
torn acl all right linement. So there are certain people
who have that propensity for a higher pain threshold than others,
and quite just may be to the opposite end of
that stage.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
And I hear what you're saying, but but it doesn't
change the fact that you literally didn't play all season
because of load management.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
So then what's the point.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, see here, what's the point? And this is the
great point, Moncey, is the idea of load management. The
theory is is that we're going to have you fresh
for the playoffs, right, But if you're not used to
playing forty minutes a night, you know, in back to
back answering the day in between, your body's not ready
for that.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
You're not building up that tolerance exactly.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's how you get ready for the post session. So
when you haven't played, when you've taken that much time
off and all of a sudden you're playing forty minutes
of intense basketball, and again he was off the charts
great in those first two games. His body is like, well,
we need a rest now, because that's what you've been
doing all season long. That's what you've been doing for

(08:12):
the last four years. Is that after a couple of
tough games where you're playing one hundred percent, the body says,
we need time off. Except now it's the playoffs, and
I would be thinking that it's safe to say that
if Kawhi Leonard had played in Games three and four,
the odds are pretty good they want would have at
least one of those games, if not.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Both agreed, all right.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I remember reading an article last fall and it was
about load management, and it was about whether or not
it's working. And there are athletic trainers, and there's websites
actually that track injuries. Now, I mean, this is a
lot of it has to do with sports better is
wanting higher degree of information on injury updates and things

(08:54):
like that, the amount of time a player might miss whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
For futures, bets or otherwise. But a lot of it has.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
To do with just general interest in you know, the
health of the players that will tilt the season in
the direction of favor against. And when they've started tracking
data in terms of injury and how long injuries last,
and they they juxtaposed them before load management came in
and it became popular, and prior to it becoming in favor,

(09:23):
they found literally no difference. There is no there's no
obvious increase or decrease in the number of injuries. It's
about flat. So you you are, you are cowtowing to
these players demands. We want less back to backs on
the or on the road or coming off the road.
We want we want more time off the court because

(09:44):
eighty two games is too much and my body breaks down.
There is literally no proof that load management helps him
preventing injuries, literally no proof.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Michael Jordan played a full eighty two games nine times.
Did you ever see him adversely effective in the postseason
because he played eighty two regular season games? No, he
he dominated in the postseason. So Montci, let me one
more question for you months, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, if
you're if you're Steve Bomber, the tenth wealthiest man on
the planet, worth ninety Okay, that's all. I want, well,

(10:17):
it's time to blow this year.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, well no, not blow the just get rid of him.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
People probably would still want him, right Like, nobody is
fully gonna say nobody wants Kawhi Leonard.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
So right now you can see that the Clippers have
a good team. Yeah, so get something for him. Jokingly,
I was like talking to both get shake Gil, just Alexander.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
I know we traded him away, get Zion, do something,
do something.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
But it's not working. Call it a day. Do something.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
The Clippers have the highest payroll in all the NBA,
number one this year, paying Paul George and Kawhi Leonard
forty two and a half million each for this season.
They're on the books for forty five point six each
next year, and they have a player option. I'm sure
they'll exercise that nearly forty nine million in the twenty
four to twenty five season. I don't know how they're

(11:05):
going to do it, but I'm with you, Monci. It's
not working. And you got that new arena you're going
to And I've mentioned this a couple of times. So
I have this friend of mine and he has had
four season tickets for the Clippers floor seats since nineteen
eighty four. So he's trying to load two of these tickets.
So you're ready for this, rich this is in your
price rangelem you hear it? So these are two These

(11:27):
are the two seats directly next to the visitors bench.
Got it, you're sitting next to the visitor's bench on
the floor. So the two season tickets for the season
are three hundred and thirty six thousand dollars. Okay, yeah,
I'll sitch it back here. But no, no, no, toyota. You
don't have to pay it all at once. You can
make four equal payments of eighty four thousand. You do

(11:50):
get VIP parking, you do get a VIP dinner and
more importantly, access to the VIP bathroom. They haven't. But
how would any invest in tickets right now, not even
knowing who's going to be a Clipper next year, or
if Kawhi Leonard or Paul George is going to be
on the court for even half the games.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I found the exact article I was referring to. It
was Slam Magazine and Slam Online had the article, but
it was from this owner of a popular injury tracking website.
This guy who's an athletic trainer. He said, I think
it's apparent that injuries are not declining.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I was, I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's the reason why I went to find this article.
It was actually the numbers didn't say flat. The numbers
have increased.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
He said.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
The number of games lost injury or illness in the NBA,
we're at an all time high last season. He was
referring to the twenty twenty two or excuse me, the
twenty twenty twenty twenty one season, he said. When I
spoke with Stoughts earlier this week. This is from the
article writer. Total games lost injuries were even higher through
the first portion of the twenty twenty two to twenty
twenty three season. Through November twenty ninth, two of the

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were hoping to see this year after they miss all
of last season. Kwhi Leonard and Damian Lillard had only
played twenty four percent of the fifty five percent of
their game so far, respectively. And so they're talking about
treatments have improved. Sports medicine has evolved and continues to evolve.
It's changed the process in which players get back to
the court or back to the field to play in

(13:22):
whatever sport. They're playing, and in the NBA you are
seeing this precipitous decline in playing time due to injury
or illness, and they can't put their thumb on it.
But what we do know is if, like you said,
you show up court sat on the floor behind the
visitor bench to see the LA Clippers, the chances of
seeing Kawhi Leonard out there are slim to none.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Paul George together or any of these stars that you
are promoting. Did they really trade five number ones Gallinari
and say Gilgess Alexander for Paul George And the only
reason they made that deal is that Kawhi Leonard says,
if you want me to sign with you, that's the
guy I want. Remember the reason the Kawhi Leonard didn't
want to be a Laker is that's Lebron's team. He

(14:06):
wanted his team, and Steve Bamber gave him the keys.
And that's where they are right now. All right, we'll
see if he does show up at all in this series,
that series will go back to Phoenix. Manci. We'll check
in with you a little bit later on. All right,
Coming up to the Lakers take a two to one
series lead against Memphis and Dylan Brooks is back in

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Speaker 4 (15:29):
Rich give me the hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Steve Harvey, Rich Arnberger Fox Sports Sunday, we are live
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Network will move into our new studios on Tuesday, starting
with Doug Gottlabe Show. So looking forward to that. You
know that I've never the new studios are locked and

(15:53):
dark when we're here on the weekend, so I've never
actually been in there.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
I've only peered through the window. It's like it's like
the lion witch in the wardrobe, Like I feel like
I'm I'm looking through the back of a closet into Narnia.
I don't actually know what's back there. It could be
mystical creatures of maybe a kind we haven't seen. It
might be something like the Galopagos where you have iguanas
that changed colors in swim.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I don't know, guys. It could be Darwinian over there.
We don't know. Well, I have been guided into new
studios frequently throughout my long career, and you know, when
you get in a new studio you sort of have to,
you know, get your bearings and everything else. So well,
we'll see how that all works next weekend. Looking forward
to it. Hoping for those iguanas. All right, so last
night the Lakers took care of business in a big

(16:40):
way over the Memphis Grizzlies. How about thirty five to
nine at the end of the first quarter, I mean,
I mean thirty five to nine, right, they did impact,
they'd impact their defense apparently, but or no offense. I
mean the Grizzlies nine points seems unbelievable. In fact, they
had like sixteen point points well into the second quarter,

(17:02):
and all of a sudden they woke up. They ended
up with one oh one. Thanks a lot to Jean Moran.
Did you see his fourth quarter twenty two consecutive points
he scored for the Grizzlies in that fourth quarter? Too little,
too late, but John Morant just reminding everyone, Yeah, that
hand in injury I had, I'm back. I'm back with

(17:22):
a vengeance. But the big story in this game, once
again was the showdown, if you want to call it,
between Lebron James and Dylan Brooks. I don't know how
Dylan Brooks has adopted this persona of being a poor
man's Draymond Green because he doesn't shoot the ball. Well,

(17:45):
there's nothing that Dylan Brooks really does great as a player.
He's not Draymond Again, Draymond will bring a lot to
the game from a plane standpoint. Dylan Brooks is not
that guy. But he seems to be a trash talker.
And as it turned out yesterday, Lady, end of the game,
he talked about Lebron being old and this ha and

(18:07):
anything else. Really, I mean, you're going to take a
shot at Lebron James just to give him a little
more ammunition. Thirty five to nine first quarter, and then
all of a sudden, the Memphis Grizzlies are coming back.
You're like, Wow, they're making a game of this. And
then he does something stupid and he essentially hits Lebron

(18:27):
and the privates and he gets the flagrant too. He
gets ejected from the game. And I'm asking you, Rich,
is this the kind of guy that you won as
a teammate.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Listen, I don't mind having a trash talker as a teammate.
It makes life easier for everybody when that trash talker
is really exceptional. And by the way, you could be
a trash talker and be exceptional at just one thing.
Like Draymond Green is a bully, but he's one of

(18:59):
the best defensive players in the league. Like, how many
times has he been All NBA? You know, his his
his defense over the course of his career has been.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Superlative Defensive Player of the Year one here he's he's
that guy.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, And and Dylan Brooks just isn't like he doesn't
do anything exceptional. He's not a scorer at a high level.
He's not an amazing rebounder, he's not an amazing defender.
And so when you have a teammate like this who
is making a spectacle of himself there there there is
a little bit of like, okay, good, you know, I mean,
the guy sounds encouraged, he's fired up, he's gonna he's

(19:37):
gonna go bring you know, he's gonna go bring his
his game to to the court tonight or whenever the
next time we play. After that, that sound SoundBite came
out after Game one, you know, quote unquote poking the
bear and uh and hopefully it rattles Lebron's cage a
little bit, it rattles the Lakers a little bit, and
it gives us an edge. It did not, It did not.
It's gone sideways for the Memphis Grizzlies, And you can

(19:58):
make a lot of excuses in some valid for the Grizzlies.
They have a lot of injuries to a lot of
key players. And like you said, Jean Moran showed up
in that fourth quarter and did some highlight reel things.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
He is a spectacle. He is a real deal.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
If he was a trash talker and backed it up
with his play, you'd be like, all right, John, like, yeah,
go off man, like, but Dylan Brooks just isn't that guy.
So it comes off. It comes off to me almost
like a little weird. It's like who, like what what
side of the bed did you roll out of? And
think that like, the only way a player should have

(20:30):
your respect is if he scores four day on you.
Because the teams that Lebron's played against, in terms of
teams that Dylan Brooks has played for, he he's scored
twenty five points on average.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Like that that is not a stat.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Line like you boast and say, yeah, because I've shut
down Lebron James, He's scoring nearly thirty on you every
single time he sees you. I it was a bizarre SoundBite.
And then his play I think has become more erradic
for it.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
It was unbelievable, especially after the Lakers no showed in
Game two. I mean, the Lakers played their worst game
of the year with their full linemen in that game too.
They didn't show up at all. They didn't play any defense,
they didn't play any offense. Ad was awful. And so
they're a little i don't know, coming out of Game
two thinking, wow, maybe some questions about their team, and

(21:24):
then you make a comment just to sort of snap
them back into it, and then next thing you know,
it's thirty five to nine at the end of the
first quarter. But I'll take it from the Lakers standpoint. Yeah,
And this is what's so frustrating if you're a Lakers
fan right now, why can't they be like that the
whole game? This is what the Lakers are one hundred

(21:46):
percent healthy right now. They have a healthy Lebron James,
they have a healthy Anthony Davis, they have a healthy
D'Angelo Russell, Hatchamura. All these guys are healthy right now.
They haven't had this luxury all season long. Why do
you have a no show game like that Game two,
or even in this game yesterday after a thirty five
nothing lead, you, what are you doing taking the foot

(22:06):
off the gas and letting Memphis back into this game.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
When you have veteran experience, it is crucial because you
have guys who have been there, done it, understand the
rigors of the postseason, and it really helps bring along
young players to believe. And everything in all sports, I
don't care what sport you're playing, starts with belief. If
you got players who believe they can, they can't, they can,
they at least have a chance to, and sometimes they

(22:31):
will if the talent meets at that intersection with belief.
So that's that's a big reason why you want veteran
leadership who's won championships or have gotten close deep postseason
runs on your team.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
It helps.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
So a d and Lebron there supply all that they
need in that category. The problem is sometimes when the
exceptional becomes ordinary, complacency can creep in. So what I
mean by that is when you do amazing things your
entire career and you've been there so so many times
like Lebron, like Anthony Davis when he's linked up with Lebron,

(23:04):
and you know how dominant you can be, there are
times where you quote unquote save it a little bit.
And that's the problem with veterans sometimes is they always think, Hey,
I know my body, I know my game, I know
when we need to kick it into gear, and when
I can throw it into maybe third gear, you know,
maybe I'll cruise in fourth gear instead of throwing it

(23:25):
into that highway gear. That's where you get that little
bit of sneaky complacency where you can get snuck up
on in certain games this series, like you said, I
think a little fuse was lit when Dylan Brooks spoke
out the way he did about Lebron James. But but
that's what I think happened a little bit. That fade
in Game two was a little bit of like, yeah,
we know exactly how much effort we need to put

(23:46):
forth to get this w and we will or or
you know, or in any game, any game, and that
that can happen. That absolutely can happen.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
By the way, if you think about Lebron James in particular,
a guy he's been in the NBA Finals ten times
in his career and has played the equivalent of more
than three years worth of postseason games, and we say
twentieth year in the NBA, it's like twenty three years,
two hundred and sixty nine playoff games over the course
of his career. I can understand it. This is why
the idea of having a four out of seven series

(24:16):
in the first round is ridiculous. Yeah, why are you
doing this. We're talking about players that are making it
clear that load management is a real thing in their world,
and you're still insisting on a first round four out
of seven, four out of seven, four got potential twenty
eight playoff game.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
The best thing that ever happened for the NBA because
of how important Lebron and the Lakers are to their brand,
especially in the postseason, was Jean Moran doing what he
did in the fourth quarter. Yeah, because I made the
argument on the you know, the short of Eve of
this series tipping off, that if the Lakers feel like
a game is in hand, you may start seeing load

(24:55):
management in this series. You may start seeing some of
the stars resting more.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
In the fourth cour We're seeing it with him being
Yiannis got hurt, all these guys, Yeah, getting banged up
in the first round of the playoffs, how legit. Look,
I'm not going to doubt if someone says they're hurt
they're hurt period. Uh. And this is what the Clippers
have said about Kawhi Leonard. They said, one, is he
going to be back? He'll be back when he's back. Yeah,
all right, let's find out what's trending right now. Very frustrated.

(25:22):
She is indeed manci by the way, it's I'm laughing
right again. It's it's not just Kawhi. Kawhi has become
the face of load management because he really is champion
the cause. Yes, winning that championship in Toronto that year
when he missed and you remember the weird thing about
it was Toronto had a really good record when he

(25:42):
didn't play. Yeah, they had like a really good record.
But that postseason run by kaw changed the whole dynamic
of the mindset of the top players in the league.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yes, and it made it acceptable for him managing his
load like yeah, because he won that. Had he not
won that, I don't know if we would all be
accepting it. But now it's just gone to the point
where it's like very frustrating, very annoying when it's in
front of us that it absolutely does nothing.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
It's trendy.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
It's trendy right now, and unfortunately it's a trend that
hurts the fans.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I mean, this happens in all sports.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Major League Baseball has been battling this for a long time,
with analytics being what they are. You know, guys swinging
for the fences and so the three outcomes. We've been
really hemming and hauling about the strikeouts, the walks, and
the home runs.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's led to less small ball.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
So Major League Baseball had to ban the shift in
the infield and institute a pitch clock, and it's working
and in enlarge the bases and all these other rule
changes and it's helped.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
It has helped much better. Yeah, then much better.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
The NBA has to craft a creative response. Otherwise they're
the gameplay and the interest in their sport is going
to decrease over time.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
No, they have to basically say, hey, if you want
to take a day off, we're not gonna pay you.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
We're gonna pay you half salary for the day.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
You know what, if I don't go to work, I
don't get paid at all. So how about we just
paid that.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
That would be ninety nine point nine nine nine percent
of us, right, so we don't get paid if we
don't want.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Something has to it has to do with money.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Where it's like, if you want to take the day
off because you want to help your body out, that's fine,
We're only going to pay you amount of your salary
for the day.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Excuse me, But remember Rory McElroy. They had this new
rules about playing a certain amount of tournaments and when
he did not show up for a tournament, he got
fined three million dollars.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
There we go. Sounds like we should do that.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Other sports are waking up to this.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
I'm very curious with Adam Silver and these governors across
the sport of NBA basketball decide to do.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
And that's a lastie.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I know, like I'm frustrated as a Clippers fan, but
I feel like if you're an NBA fan, you have
to be frustrated that you can't see Kawhi and Paul
George play against the Suns.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well that that was the point of Game one. Yeah,
here they are going against the Suns and you have
to rand. He got Chris Paul, you got Booker, he
got all these sons and he is dominating the game open.
Where has he been? Where is that guy? Remember that
guy before Leonard, Oh we all remember, and you're like yeah.
And then the old second game start of the way,
I'm like thinking, all this is gonna be unbelievable. The

(28:11):
Clippers gonna sweep this series. And then all of a sudden,
he's like just not playing, Guests.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
He's and it just was abrupt. It's like, oh, he's
not playing? Wait what why?

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Since when?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
And then I thought, okay, okay, so he's taken off
Game three, he'll be blacker.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Game no, no, no, no, no no, We're never gonna
see him again.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Change his name to co winn Quhen is he coming back?

Speaker 6 (28:34):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Ah, he's got jokes, He's got jokes. Okay, guys.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
The NBA playoffs do continue, despite Kawhi Leonard not wanting
to play. Then Nicks our playing are beating the Cavaliers
right now, thirty to twenty one, with about thirty seconds
to go in the first quarter. New York does leave
this lead this series two to one. It's Jalen Brunson
leading New York. He's got eleven points and four rebounds
so far.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Some baseball action going on, and because.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Of all of these changes, there's so much scoring that's
happening the Phillies. We're beating the Rockies, but not anymore. No,
they are back on top the Rockies. We're winning now.
The Phillies are back on top. Four to three is
the score. They're about to start the bottom of the
fifth inning. And we also have the Stanley Cup playoffs
going on. The Hurricanes have scored. They are beating the
Islanders one zero halfway through the first period and Carolina
leads this series to one.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Back to you.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Guys, all right, monsie, thank you very much. We'll talk
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(29:41):
is expected that Joel Embiid will be named the Most
Valuable Player. And part of it was the fatigue factor
of giving Jokic the MVP year after year after year.
He had won the last two and I don't know
if you saw Game three Denver on the road against
the Minnesota Timberwolves. But if you watch your kitchen this game,

(30:05):
you're you're you're reminded why this guy is in the
MVP conversation. You can easily make this argument. This guy
had twenty nine triple doubles this year, yep, and beat
had one. There's there's a reason why. So the fatigue
factor is nonsense if you are in charge, if you're

(30:26):
one of those select few writers or broadcasters in charge
of awards, and you're voting people based on well, he's
already got a couple. One thing I've always loved about
they have what they call the Heart Trophy, which is
the MVP trophy in the NHL. Gretzky wonted eight straight years. Yeah, yeah,
they weren't choying about it. Eight straight years he was

(30:49):
voted the most Valuable Player because he was the most
valuable player. This happened with Jordan and Man. One year
they gave it to to Barkley, one year they gave
it to Carl Malone. And it's like, no, the MVP
is Michael Jordan. How about Lebron has not won an
MVP since twenty fourteen, probably should have won at least
three or four more MVP Awards, and it just I

(31:13):
know you think any of these words have zero credibility,
but it really for me that you know, actually has
a stake in it, have an interest in it. It's
very frustrating because when I watch Jokic, I'm saying to myself,
where would this Denver Nuggets team be without this guy? Right?
I mean, they would be a complete non factor. Instead,
they're the number one seed. Everyone dismissed like, well, that Jokich,

(31:34):
he never shows up in the playoffs. Really he's showing
up in this series.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well, I'll say this about MVPs and yeah, look, I'm
sensitive to the fact that there are people who really
care about All Star voting and MVPs and Defensive Player
of the Year and it brings interest to the sport.
I know why they do it. It's placating what fans want,
which is to have recognition for the best players in
the league. There's excitement around it. That's the reason why
people showed up in Vegas to the Pro Bowl to

(32:00):
see a skills competition that was barely a football game.
It was a flag football game. But people are interested
in seeing all the stars together and I get it.
I'm not I think it's a popularity contest. I don't
think it's based in fact or reality. It's subjective, and
you know, the people who vote on these things often
get it wrong, in my opinion, and so I give
it zero credence. I don't need people who are behind

(32:22):
laptops going to these games to tell me who the
best players are because I'm watching the same games they are.
I'm seeing the same sport they're seeing it. Maybe it's
through my subjective lens instead of theirs. Maybe they want
to go with the tide. I might want to buck
against that trend. Like, for example, you could make an
argument that Kawhi Leonard should win the MVP because you

(32:43):
can see a stark contrast between when his value is
added to the Clippers and when it's taken away. I mean,
it's it's very obvious to me how valuable he is
to that team. You just made the argument for Jokic.
If he's not on the Denveruggets, the Dever Nuggets are
not being They're not being spoken about at all at all.

(33:06):
They're a dominant team in the West because of one reason,
and he's that reason. So yeah, look, Lebron, you made
a perfect point. About him over the years. You could
argue his value up and down the street. It's just look,
it's not wasted breath. Because again, there are people who
really care about this stuff. I'm just not one of them.
But I can understand anybody's frustration over how these things

(33:28):
are voted for or what is being considered when people
vote for these awards. I just think it's a bunch
of foolishness. But that's always been how I felt about it.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I mean, like when he went back to Cleveland for
those four years and led him to the NBA Finals
all four years, Yeah, against Golden State, and he didn't
win the MVP in any of those years. Come on,
I mean, it's just absurd. It's absolutely ridiculous out there,
all right, a little more NBA talk because the East
is getting interesting. Giannis's absence hurting the Milwaukee Bucks. All

(34:01):
of a sudden, they're looking up at the heat right
now between Boston Philadelphia, who's moved on to the second round,
and the Bucks, who's the best team in the East.
We're gonna break it down. This is Fox Sports Sunday.
Steve Hartman and Rich Hornberger, Welcome back Fox Sports Sunday.
We are live from the tai Iraq dot Com studios.

(34:23):
We talk a little NBA playoffs right now, and as
we mentioned last weekend, when we open up the first
round of the NBA Playoffs a week later, would be
still very much in the first round of the NBA Playoffs.
And you know, if any of these series go seven,
we're staring at the possibility that, yeah, we could be uh,

(34:46):
we could be in this first round for seemingly ever.
You know, I'm looking at the East right now. The Bucks. Wow,
that was scary. The Miami Heat. You're first of all,
you're reminded of the Miami Heat. I don't you know
how many coaches in this league really make an impact,
but Eric Spolstra is one of the best coaches in
the NBA. When they had the seventy fifth anniversary team,

(35:09):
they named the fifteen top coaches and he was one
of them, deservely so. Obviously, they had the four year
run with Lebron, won a couple of championships, four straight
times on finals, got Miami to the finals against the
Lakers a couple of years ago in the bubble. They're
a well coached team, and I you know something about
Milwaukee with obviously without Giannis and they have other weapons

(35:30):
on that team. I just don't have much confidence I'm
smelling the Boston Celtics. I just I look at that
Celtics team. Brogden is a big, big addition, and I
just I think that that is a team right now
that not only in my opinion, would be the favorite
to come out of the East. I think the Celtics

(35:53):
right now are the team to beat for this year's
NBA Championship. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Look, the West is so competitive, so it has been
taking up a lot of the air in the room.
But I think the reason why we're talking about the
West instead of the East is because of what you
just said that it feels like there are a couple
of dominant teams and Boston inarguably is the one that

(36:20):
has had the most eye catching or eye popping entrance
into this playoffs. So it's a little I don't want
to say boring. That's probably the wrong word, but you
know what, actually, no, it's kind of the right word,
because inevitable outcomes aren't fun, they're not entertaining, so they
are a little bit boring, and that's the reason why
we've been concentrating so much on the on the West.

(36:41):
But yeah, I mean, whoever runs into the Celtics in
the final, which presumably if they make it that far,
is going to struggle with them because you talk about
a team that is a real team. Those guys play
unbelievable defense together, they can score at will, they're stars.

(37:01):
It's I mean, that's as good a basketball team has
been assembled since the Warriors of the early twenty tens.
You know that that's what well, I guess you would say,
really the mid twenty tens, when when the Splash brothers
were going off the way they were and they were
healthier and Draymond was doing Draymond things, that those were

(37:24):
the team the Niguadala, you know, those were the teams
that you know, had a run of dominance that could
be called a recent dynasty, and the Celtics they may
become that.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
You know, Brogden was named the sixth Man of the
Year and this was classic Celtics. This is going back
to the Red Auerbach days where they would look for
that veteran. You know, Brogden with the Bucks and the
Pacers had been a starter. He was a starting player,
right and he was a consistent scorer anywhere between, you know,
eighteen and twenty two points a game. Boston brought him

(37:56):
in to be a guy off the bench, and Broad
didn't even admit it the other day when he was
announced that he was six Man of the Year, that yeah,
this is all different for me. But once I got
to this team and realize, a it's a great organization,
this first year coach that you know, the coach is outstanding,
outstanding coach, and he just the operation was so good

(38:19):
and the players around me were so good that I
accepted that role. And that was really old school Celtics.
I mean, that's how they used to build their teams
in the past, to find a guy like Brogden who
could come in and give you something off the bench.
It's also like old too because it was built from within.
They built through the draft, so their stars are home
grown and they've had that opportunity. So one of my

(38:41):
frustrations getting back to the load management, is that a
lot of what happens in the postseason is based on
a chemistry that a team has built over the course
of the regular season. So did you all know each other,
You have defined roles, and you're a well oiled machine
when the games really count. That's where I see Boston

(39:01):
right now. These guys have played so much basketball together,
they know each other, and when it comes to these
big games, I think they're gonna perform so right now,
you know, barring injury. And I look at I. I
grew up hating the Celtics. I can't even tell you
I'm gonna tight the Celtics, but I have to acknowledge
right now they're the best team in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Look, I mean you could.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
You could talk about tweaks that they need to make
ahead of Game four, like that was an upset loss
obviously to the Hawks, and Game three, Tatum should get
to the foul line more. They need more out of
their bench. But like you said, this is a team
where if they do make a couple of small tweaks,
with the superstars they have and the team being as
dominant as they are, maybe some of that complacency I

(39:43):
was talking about with veteran players who have been there
and done that before, sneaking into the equation a little
bit like we know when we need to turn it on.
We've been here, we know who we are. You can't
let it happen though you have to absolutely dominate, because
if you don't and you go go to Atlanta and
you lose two back to back, I mean, the series

(40:04):
resets and it's any one series at that point. So
you gotta get this win. You gotta get this win tonight.
You have to you have to be the superior team
for four quarters and then you could. I mean, this
series obviously is gonna go the way Boston once you
have a three to one stretch over the Hawks.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
All right, coming up on the next hour, we're gonna
get into the NFL Draft, which is now just four
days away, and there are so many wild rumors, so
many trade talks. All of a sudden, the Betty Nods
has shifted on who's going to be the number two
overall pick. We'll bring you all the latest draft news.
Keep it right here. This is Fox Sports Sunday. Oh yeah,

(40:44):
rolling along here on a tremendous Sunday. A lot of NBA,
NHL playoff action going on, Major League Baseball in full
swing and e or Yeah. We are counting down to Thursday,
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(41:27):
Sonny Vikara course came on with us talking about the
movie and what's going on in his world. And Sonny
has become a star thanks to Matt Damon's portrayal of him.
Viola Davis as Michael Jordan's mom just hits every note.
She's outstanding in that role.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
You forget and she's a famous actress, Oscar winning act
but you forget who she is, like you get so
wrapped up in the fact that she seems so paternal.
She seems more maternal. She seems so motherly, yes, and
also fierce.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
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Speaker 2 (42:01):
She's out smarting the room in the movie. And it's
amazing how she had all these shoe companies fighting over
her son and pushing them to make deals that they
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history has has you know, played out, or I should say,
the future ended up unfolding for them from that point.

(42:22):
Moving forward, Nike was very happy to have Mjay very happy.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
I love when she has to sit down and uh,
Matt dam and his son. He's like, wait, we think
your son's very special, and she's a mom. She's like, yeah,
he is, Yeah he is. I know that, I know,
I know he is.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I don't want to give too much.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Acting performances Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, Viola Davis were tremendous.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
You got to see this movie. Also, I have an
update on Winning Time. Okay, so the HBO series is
Zach for season two. Now, it's not going to air
until August. Got it. As you know, I shot an
on air scene, so that will be in one of
the episodes. And I just this week I went down
to record another scene as a you know, talk radio

(43:06):
guy like I did in season one. So but it
will be in August. In the social two will come out.
You're on screen cameo?

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yes, So not just your voice will be heard, this
will actually be a Steve Hartman on screen cameo. Yes,
will be coming in this season's uh, season two of
The Magic Johnson.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
The Magic Johnson. Yeah, I can't wait to see it, buddy.
First of all, you crushed it last last season. Yeah,
and winning time for anybody who's missed that series is
worth is worth watching it. It's hilarious. I mean, it
really is. It's over the top, yeah, which is sort
of what you want based on a true story, how
about that? Yeah. Yeah, maybe loosely at times, but it

(43:45):
really it captures the heart of a lot of the
characters of a team that a lot of people cared about.
It's far still do well. I mean, it's it's good.
And by the way, it's going to be a follow
up from season one, it's not going to jump forward.
So and if you watch season one, if you haven't,
you should. It's quite entertaining. So a couple of programming notes.
All right, we got the NFL Draft starting on Thursday,

(44:08):
and as always happens at this point, just four days
before the draft, we're hearing wild stories all over the place,
right that you know so and so's moving up, and
let's talk about what's happening. We know this. It seems
one hundred percent certain I will never say, one hundred
percent ninety nine percent certain that Bryce Young will be

(44:29):
the number one overall picking the draft by the Carolina Panthers. Yeah,
that seems to be the one thing that we can
count on. From that point on, all hell has broken loose.
At number two, the Houston Texas Now, we had assumed
from the get go that Houston would select either c J.
Stroud or Bryce Young, whoever Carolina passed on. So if

(44:52):
you're gonna go Bryce Young, we're gonna go cee J. Stroud. Well,
apparently that is not happening. In fact, the rumor now
is Houston may keep the second pick and not take
a quarterback. Now, remember Houston also has the twelfth pick
in the draft, and it's conceivable that maybe a quarterback

(45:13):
they like will still be on the board at number twelve.
So you're saying, oh, great, so maybe they'll take Will Anderson. No,
they're not going to take Will Anderson. They're looking at
Tyree Wilson, the edge guy out of Texas Tech. And
yesterday talked to Adam Kaplan and talked to Bucky Brooks.
Where did this happen? I thought that suddenly, you know,

(45:35):
and this is interesting. I want to get your thoughts
on this. So Will Anderson, like two years ago, had
this breakout season in Alabama, and we're talking in terms
of a generational talent, right, This is not just like
the best player in the country. This is like a
once in a lifetime type talent. Didn't have as productive
as season last year, but still it's Will Anderson. And

(45:58):
then all of a sudden, this Tyree Wilson out of
Texas Tech is jumping him on boards and I'm asking why,
And here's what they gave me. Tyree Wilson is physically better,
he's a better player. Where Will Anderson has the edge
are his instincts, how he reads the game. The mental

(46:22):
game is where Will Anderson is better. Yeah, and so
this always is the back and forth argument because I
remember so many times we've seen guys that were highly
productive in college and they were downgraded because maybe physically
they didn't fit the mold, and then they get to
the NFL. Like Louke Keigley right out of Boston College.

(46:42):
He was a tackling machine. When the Nation and Tackles
comes to the NFL, guess what Stoley in the Nation
and Tackles. I mean the guy he understands the game.
So if you're scouting a guy and you have a
choice two talented players, but one is maybe a little
more physically gifted as opposed to a guy that just
seems to have better instincts for the game, which way

(47:02):
are you leaning?

Speaker 2 (47:05):
So Will Anderson is maybe just a half step behind
truly elite edge rushers that have come out in recent memory,
like the Nick Mooses or the Miles Garrett or the
Joey Bosas recently, where you look at them and you say, oh, yeah, yeah,
these guys are one hundred percent can't miss chew In

(47:26):
will knock your socks off top of the first round
draft selections, and if they stay healthy, will absolutely crush
opponents at the NFL level. Will Anderson leaves you a
little bit like, I mean, just a smidge of hesitance
because of his size, but outside of that, he's been

(47:47):
an elite producer all three seasons that he's played for
the Crimson Tide, and he's the type of player who
you look at and you say, he's really the cleanest
edge product off the board this year's draft, however, Tyree
Wilson is one of those guys who just blows you
away with his stature, like he looks the part he

(48:07):
has this body where you say, well, if he matures further,
which he will, gets in the weight room, starts working
against you know, adult men paying mortgages and having families
and have been, you know, pillaging NFL defenses over the
course of their long careers as offensive lineman. When he
starts sharpening his iron against that iron, well, this guy's

(48:28):
the limit. So I think this is one of those
things where evaluators are looking at will Anderson and saying,
maybe we've seen his peak, like maybe we've seen his
natural ceiling and it's amazing, but maybe there's a little
bit more of the development and the potential that they
see in Wilson. That's the only distinguishable difference that I

(48:51):
can really I can foretell here because the reality is
the reality is Will Anderson is like the safer, cleaner prospect.
But you can look at that and say, well, okay, yeah,
but has he reached his full potential already? And that's
great and it'll work at the NFL level, But can
we build upon what Wilson has done at the college
level at the NFL level? And I think I think

(49:11):
that's probably the debate going on in war rooms right
now across the NFL.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
So what has shifted was the idea of the first
two picks and some order being Bryce Young and CJ. Stroud,
to the second and third picks in some order being
Tyree Wilson and Will Anderson. Yeah, so that's what's happening.
So Arizona's sitting at three, not looking for a quarterback,
will take whoever is not taking the team Tyree Wilson

(49:36):
and Will Anderson with that second pick. So where does
that leave the quarterbacks? All right? So we look at
Houston at number two. Now they may decide to trade
out of that spot. I'm sure their phone is ringing
off the hook. But now they have new betting nods
on who the next quarterback is going to be. And
the guy now leading the pack to be the second

(49:58):
quarterback taken in this draft as Will Levis. Yeah, now
we've gone over this over and over again. Bucky Brooks
obviously doing all his work with NFL dot Com and
doing his updated mock drass he has never had to
to date, Levis has anything more than the fifth best
quarterback in this draft. He's got Rice Young one, He's

(50:20):
got Stroud, two. He's got Hendon Hooker three, and he's
got Anthony Richardson four. He's got Levis at number five.
And his argument again was he couldn't even win the
job at Penn State two years ago. He had a breakout.
You're at Kentucky did not have as good a year
last year, and they blamed everything. You know, offensive coordinator
was fired late in the year, they didn't have a
lot of the skill guys set and everything else. When

(50:44):
I think about the potential of a team moving up
to number two to get Levis, all he can think
about is the Bears moving up to two to get
Trubisky in the same draft that had a Patrick Mahomes
that somebody just falls in love with someone and something
about I understand he's got all the duels, but there's
got to be some level of production. I mean, I'm

(51:06):
not saying Lewis is not a quarterback, but to move up.
Look because like second pick in the draft when the
Bears did that with Trubisky, and I'm like, did you
see this guy in North Carolina?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
This is again you have to take everything you read
in here with a grain of salt during this period
because it's all liars poker. Yes, it's bluffs, it's it's
smoke screens, it's it's trying to alter the conversation and
get people nervous about where a prospect may be available
in the draft. So say, if like you're holding a

(51:37):
top pick and all of a sudden, you find out
that you have intel that a team below you is
absolutely in love with Will Levis, maybe you start pumping
out some CJ.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Stroud.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Hey, here are the reasons why he should be falling
down the board, and why Will Levis all of a
sudden his draft stocks way up. Because if you're planning
on taking Stroud with one of these top five picks,
and you want to generate some interest in Levis because
nobody's biting at trading up for Stroud, maybe you put
out a smoke screen. Maybe you feed an executive clearly,

(52:10):
I mean again, if you trust the source. Bob McGinn,
who is a former a Green Bay Packer beat writer
with the Post Gazette out there in Green Bay, said
he had a source that said that CJ. Stroud absolutely
tanked it. On this s to QB exam, you know,
testing quarterbacks cognitive ability, he scored an eighteen percent, whereas
Bryce Young, for example, by comparison, gotten a ninety eight percent.

(52:32):
You know, so this news comes out, and whether you
want to believe it or not, he says it's sourced
from an executive in the NFL. And so all of
a sudden, that means these analysts are now reading what
Brady Quinn had to say about him, you know, snubbing
the Mannings on their passing academy. And this s two
testing and will Levis's name skyrockets not only up the

(52:55):
boards on these mock drafts that we're reading this week,
but we're also seeing betting odds change favoring Will Levis
over CJ.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Stroud. So why does that happen?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Maybe it's because will Levs gonna be taken before Shroud
could be, Or maybe it's because one of these teams
who have a selection in the top five weren't getting
any bites with Stroud being the presumed second overall or
second quarterback taken in this year draft, and their phones
went cold, and they want to see if will Levis
is going to encourage more phone calls for trade for

(53:29):
trade deals. So again it's liar's poker. There's so much
information out there right now, we have no idea what's
real and what's fake. And the craziest part about all
of this is even if a team drafts, say Will
Levis with a second overall pick or the fifth overall
pick or the fourth, he goes to Indianapolis or whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Maybe they absolutely knocked it out of the park. Because
what's crazy about it is.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Certain guys go to teams and whether it's the environment
or the coaches they're working with, or the skill position
to don't they have around them, or the way that
they enter their NFL career, they're groomed as an understudy
before they get to the field and they actually get
them playing time or whatever the circumstances may be. They
just they work and other quarterbacks don't and it almost

(54:16):
doesn't matter what they did in college. That's the reason
why the Russell Wilsons are there and the Tom Brady's
are there, and the brock Parties are there, because you
just don't know until the bolts are flying for real
at the NFL level.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Speaking of, while rumors going into this NFL Draft, one
of the biggest names in the league is suddenly out
there potentially for trade. We'll tell you who it is.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Hartman, Rich Rnberger, Fox
Sports Sunday. Be sure not to miss Draft Night Live
on Fox Sports Radio this Thursday night at eight pm

(54:51):
Easterns throughout the first round of the Draft. Insider Jay Glazer,
former Cardinals GM, Steve Kime, College Football Hall of Famer
Var Arrington, Big Noons kickoffs, Rob Stone. We'll have pick
by pick predictions and reactions to every first round pick.

(55:12):
That's Thursday, eight pm Eastern throughout the first round the
Draft live on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
You and I Rich have done draft shows together, some
as long as seven hours.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Dare I say, yeah, Yeah, there was one specific year
I want to say it was a handful of years
ago where yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
We were on the clock.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Doing a live remote for I mean, I remember getting
home and when you're on the air that long, and look,
it's it's not hard work.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
And by the way, the people where we were at
were very comminating. And you need more food, Drake, I mean,
there's almost there's only so much it can eat. It
sort of like being on a long flight or like
how much you can eat all you can eat buffet
eventually you say no, mass you give it the older
Berto Durand and if you don't, your corner will throw
in the towel for you. Yeah we're done. But yeah,

(56:06):
it was a dizzying amount of talking.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I remember walking out there, I go, you know, I'd
be satisfied if I don't have to speak for the
rest of the week. And it was Thursday, and there
was still more to talk about on Friday, because, like
we know the NFL Draft, there are fines in the
second day of the draft, and especially now considering the
first round is just is just the first day of
the drafts and so there are fines like a Jellen Hurtz,

(56:29):
for example, that's worked out extremely well for the Eagles,
just on that giant contract with Philadelphia. There are fines
in the second round that can really produce or the
third round that can really produce, and we're going to
see more and more of those, I think, because the
athletes that we're seeing coming out of the draft are
better and more ready for the NFL game than ever.

(56:49):
And the reason is twofold one. Sports science and development
of athletes has gone light speed. Like these guys are
leaving their r and they're jumping in with real technicians
who understand how to ready the body for the next level,
and guys get into some of the best shape of
their life heading into the most important stage of their career,

(57:13):
which is their rookie year in the NFL. And then
the other side of it is these NFL coaches are
more accommodating than they've ever been in terms of taking
the college game and some of the concepts that guys
are used to at the college level and slowly matriculating
what they want to do from a scheme standpoint and
not rushing it. It used to be, hey, you're coming

(57:34):
to the NFL. You're going to learn how to be
an NFL player, and you're going to catch up immediately,
and if you're not good enough at first, we're going
to We're going to take our time and develop you.
Uh Ah, Not anymore. These owners are impatient, these fan
bases are impatient. They want results immediately, and so as
a result, offenses have been dumbed down a little bit
and then sped up, you know, concordantly with the abilities

(57:55):
of their quarterback or their skilled position players. And that's
really had a profound impact on how some of these
teams have been able to get better instantaneously.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Just look at Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I mean that guy had a coach really didn't know
what he was doing his rookie season, and he turned
him into a playoff quarterback Doug Peterson did after urban
Meyer was fired in one single year.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Ye yeah, yeah, all right. So you mentioned by the
way Jalen Hurts getting that huge contract, I give credit
to the Eagles. They believe this is the guy. Yeah,
I mean, they're not going to quibble over well, let's
see what Joe Burrow gets or Justin Herbert. We're not
going to wait for that. We know now that this

(58:40):
is the guy. We have faith that Jalen Hurts is
going to be our guy for many years in the future.
Our producer, Bow, of course, is our resident Eagles fan.
I want to throw another name for you to put
into a Eagles uniform, Bow, Derek Henry. So yesterday Adam Kaplan,
who does a Eagles podcast, was on as the story

(59:01):
was filtering that Derick Henry is leaving the Titans and
is going to be a Philadelphia Eagle. So there's a
lot of layers to this story about why Derrick Henry
at this point of his career is being shopped around,
and remember he's a twenty nine year old running back
coming off another productive year. How much weight bo do

(59:23):
you put into the idea of Dereck Henry being in
an Eagles uniform in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 8 (59:30):
I would like that, but I think it kind of
got cold water thrown on it almost immediately by everybody
in sports media.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I think you know why though, because the Eagles have
two first round picks.

Speaker 8 (59:42):
Yeah. Well, I would not give up a first round
pick for Derrick Henry of any kind. I think after
the draft you're going to see a little bit more movement,
like maybe a Dereck Henry trade then, or a Dalvin
Cook gets released. Ezekiel Elliott is still out there. I
don't think they'll bring him in, but there's going to
be some running back movement. But yeah, Derek Henry would

(01:00:02):
be a very pleasant addition to the Eagles running back room.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I think he's a great addition any running back room.
I'm a huge Derek Henry fan. The thing that always
has impressed me about Derrick Henry is that he's a
big guy who gets stronger as the game goes right,
and he doesn't wait when you're trying to put a
team away. If you're in that kind of position, he's
the perfect guy to have to put a team away.
The problem with Derrick Henry is if you have a

(01:00:28):
subcar quarterback, which he's had unfortunately too often over the
last couple of years, and you find yourself trailing, then
he really is of no use to you because you
have to throw the ball to try to make a comeback.
What do you see here, Ritchie think Derrick Henry is
truly on the trade block? Are they just sort of
throwing the name out there, fishing around to see if
there's any interest, And if there is, how much interest

(01:00:51):
would you have in a twenty nine year old running back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I mean, at first, when I saw this report from
Akbar Baja Biamilla, I was like, that's crazy. I wonder
how much the Eagles are giving up for this, especially
after signing up Jalen Hurts. You know, you sort of
almost feel like, well, the Eagles are setting the course
to be like a young offensive team, you know, like

(01:01:14):
they've successfully skipped a long rebuild and they have Jalen
Hurts now and like they're they're off to the races.
And it just it seemed like an odd choice. Now, look,
Derrick Henry, to your point, I had another productive season
last year. He rushed the football for more than any
other player in the NFL, and he's done that twice

(01:01:35):
in his career.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Prize average more than one hundred yards per game over
the last four years combined.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
And you know, a lot of people say yards per
carry is not as important as a stat now with
more advanced analytics, you know, but he's almost a four
and a half yards per carry type running back. I mean,
and look, use your eyes exactly. I was going to say,
how about the eyeball team just as just watch the
guy run the football the second half of Titans games,
and you're like, yeah, if Derek Henry didn't wasn't wearing

(01:02:04):
a Titans uniform, nobody would be talking about the Tennessee
Titans because he is the reason why they've had any
success over the past half decade. But like you said,
there is a tipping point with running backs. And even
though there are extreme outliers in certain cases, is Derek
Henry gonna be one of those? The probabilities weigh heavily
against him. Now, he's a special athlete and we just

(01:02:27):
named a lot of the things that he's done that
have astounded us all for these years, and he's been
minimally injured also when you think about how much abuse
he takes compared to other running backs. But we're going
to hit that tipping point eventually, and it's not a
gradual decline at the running pack position.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
It's the cliff. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
It's usually like whoa, he went from being a four
and a half yards per carry guy to three yards
per carry, like and it happened over the course of
a season, or like whoa, he was a guy who
you could count on and be durable, and then all
of a sudden, he's hurt every single season. And so
whoever was divorcing themselves with draft capital needs to be
wary about that tipping point. It hasn't happened yet. He

(01:03:08):
wasn't traded. So then I asked myself, why why did
this information get out?

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Who wanted it out?

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
It kind of feels to me like his agent may
have thought that some i's were dotted and t's were crossed,
or someone in his camp with the Philadelphia Eagles and
thought this deal was gonna get done and maybe gave
gave a preview to somebody who ran to Twitter with it,
and that happens and people get things wrong, or maybe

(01:03:36):
it'll still be right. It's just gonna be weeks before
it gets done. But I think it was to encourage
interest in get it and getting Derrick Henry's name out
there pre draft, so other teams bid at the opportunity
to get them all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Right, if you are dependent on certain NFL insiders for
your NFL news, right, we all have our favorites, right
like this, I like to follow this guy, I follow
this guy, I follow her whoever. I'm following them to
get what I think is the best up to dated
NFL news in order for them to have access to information.

(01:04:11):
It's a give and take, whether it's front office people
for an organization or agents or for the players themselves.
It's a trade off. So in other words, I will
I'll grease your back. I will give you an exclusive
here on something, but you got to do me a favor.
I need you to throw my guy's name out there.

(01:04:34):
And this is and I don't think there's anything wrong
with that. I understand how that all works. It's a
former PR guy, I remember exactly. It's a back and forth.
So that's how something like this thing starts. I just
I would agree with both the I don't see Derrick
Henry being in Philadelphia. Let me also add because I don't. Again,

(01:04:54):
they might be thinking, well, you got the tenth pick
in the draft, and you have the thirtieth pick in
the draft. Think about maybe you're gonna give up one
of those. Well, not going to give out the tenth pick,
but maybe you give up the thirty. They're not going
to give up the thirtieth pick in the draft. Think
about Derek Cannery, b Jehan Robinson right, think about I'll
tell you a guy give back charbon A of l
A U c l A sharbon A. I've watched him play.

(01:05:17):
Bucky loves this guy because he's a big back. I've
been I've I've physical. I've called UCLA games twice during
his career there. He's fantastic, big, physical, he's one of
the biggest, like he sticks out almost like a tight
end in the backfield like he and he runs hard.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Sharbon A like a lot Robinson. Obviously, he may be
the most talented player in this whole draft.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Gibbs out of Alabama the Texas tech kid. I mean,
the list is pretty long and and there isn't a
huge drop off. I mean the what's his name, Charles
Brown out of Illinois. Yeah, another guy like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Very productive you have.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
You have a litter of of super talented running backs
coming out of college football, and we know tip like
the NFL edge rushers can be this way running backs.
I'm talking about high value positions that can really generate
a lot for you immediately during the rookie year of
their career. Like that immediate pay. I'm just fitting in
and I'm getting I'm I'm getting I'm getting play immediately

(01:06:17):
and helping my team immediately. The plug and play positions
like that running back has been a classes example.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
So I again, like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
What I prefer to trade away a couple first rounders
for an insanely productive corner. Yeah, I would, because those
are more or hit or miss for a receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Yeah, of course I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Would, because those are more hit and miss for a
running back, especially when who's twenty nine years old a
first round or a couple of No way, man, Like,
I'm gonna go into the draft and I'm gonna take
my chances on one of these rookies who again, can
be more of a plug and play type player.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
All right, let's find out what is trending right now.
First round pick on everybody's board is month Seabalanya.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Yeah, that was sweet, by.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
The way, I told him to say.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
It has there has there been? By the way? This now,
what are you preparing for? MONSI? Now what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
The Yeah, egg plant parmesan.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
That's ready, but it's not you're going to put the
flame on it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
I am, Yeah, I know we have to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Yeah, I mean in order for it to really fit
me and the way I like to cook.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Going to the last thing I'm going to do. After
I bake the the eggplant parmesan eno and is I'm
going to top it with the melt with the montrel cheese.
I'm going to melt it under a flamethrow. Have You've
seen Rich's videos? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yes, yes, of course he has to use it. Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
In fact, Rich, I wanted to tell you the other
day I forgot. Did you see that Will Levis eats
his banana with the peel on?

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Yeah? I saw that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
So you're going to do that next?

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Yeah, that's something that I'm actually really interested in drying.
How do you do that? I mean, so, how do
you eat through a banana? It doesn't digest, so this
be bad.

Speaker 9 (01:08:00):
There's so many chemicals in the outside of a banana,
some of the dirtiest fruits of eating a crap.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Can't wash it off. Of course, I can't watch like
it's like rubber. Put a little baking soda in your strength. Relax, Iowa,
here's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Here's the thing, though, I I as soon as I
saw that video, I'm like, here we go again, Here
we go again.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Yam you will levis you psychopath?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
I guess I'm eating a banana and I you know what,
this one is less detestable than the I won't have
to lose a bet to do this one. I'm genuinely
curious what it tastes like. The the male and the coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
I lost a bet and that's the only reason why
I sampled that, Thank goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
But the the the banana with the peel.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Look, I'm all about efficiency. If I can save a
little time, like if it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Ends up being a delicious tree, it'll be the way
I eat bananas.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
From now on.

Speaker 9 (01:08:49):
Please don't please don't watch You can shine your shoe
with a banana peel.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
So just remember that shiny insides are you guys?

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Uh diyrofoam containers?

Speaker 8 (01:09:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Oh yeah for fast food. When I was in high school,
somebody dared me to eat a big Mac while still
inside the styrofoam container.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Oh my goodness. Why Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
And then I did No. One of my physics class O,
which my physics teacher then gave me a dismissal notice
for the rest of the semester.

Speaker 9 (01:09:25):
Indigestion after that one, well, still it's still decomposing of
the old landfill down there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
I didn't actually eat it. I stuffed the whole thing
in my mouth. Okay, Oh wait, so you never actually
ingested any.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Did intale? Almost positive?

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I was like, how did you survive? I'm pretty sure
if you eat styrofoam, I just died. Your body's just
like yeah, I mean, we're done with this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Challenge was to stuff the whole thing in my mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
It got it, Okay, still not I would not have
done that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
Well, fellas, we got a little bit of a Aaron
Rodgers news A tiny bit really absolutely nothing. But I'm
gonna tell you what Ian Rappabort just tweeted eight minutes ago.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
He said, after a dominant or excuse me.

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
After a dormant couple weeks, the Jets and Packers recently
re engaged on trade talks surrounding star quarterback Aaron Rodgers
sources say a deal is not imminent, but the two
sides are at least talking, with hopes a deal can
finally be done this week.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Wow, yeah on that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Yeah, so goy, hey it's something again. I'm so over
that story, so over it. In the NBA, it's a tie.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Game between the Knicks and the Cavaliers. Surprisingly fifty to nine.
Oh no, Knicks just scored sixty one to fifty nine
is the score, so they're back in it. Seven minutes
to go in the third quarter. Still Jalen Brentson leading
all scores. He's got sixteen points in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
The Dodgers are losing why to the Cubs two zero,
top of the second inning.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
Nationals up on the Twins one zero bottom of the second,
Red Sox to have the early lead against the one
zero they're about to start the second inning.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Guardians beating the Marlins three to one. About to start
the fifth.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
The Rays have homerd in twenty two straight games. They're
beating the White Sox four to one, bottom of the
fourth Pirates holding on to that one run lead over
the Reds, about to start the fifth inning. And oh,
the Phillies have scored more. They're beating the Rocket the
Rockies nine to three. They're about to.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Start the ninth inning. And of course the Stanley.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
Cup playoffs still underway, and the Hurricanes have scored again,
beating the Islanders three zero, five minutes to go in
the second period in Carolina, leads this series to one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Back to you, guys, Ali Montsie, thank you very much.
All right, here here's the latest on this Aaron Rodgers situation, right,
and this is this is pretty important, especially for the Jets,
because they're the ones that need to get Aaron Rodgers
in a Jets uniform as as soon as possible. Oh yeah,
if this deal does not get done before this draft,

(01:11:59):
this deal probably he's not gonna get done until whatever,
because the leverage then is really on the Packers. Here's
what you got to consider, and this gets back to
what are the Jets willing to give up for Aaron Rodgers?
All right, so they have the thirteenth overall pick that's untouchable.
They got back to back picks on the second round

(01:12:19):
at forty two and forty three. Now, if I'm the
Green Bay Packers, I'm eyeing those two picks because after
that they don't have a third round pick the Jets,
So those are the two picks I'm looking at, And
the Jets are like, no, we're not giving up back
to back picks in the second round for Aaron Rodgers.
If this deal does not get done before the draft,
then after the draft, all bets are off Packers. They

(01:12:43):
have no money that's due Aaron Rodgers until the start
of the season, so there's not you know, some kind
of bonus that kicks in with camps, and none of
that is on the table with the Packers. They've already
moved on. Jordan Love is going to be their quarterback
in twenty twenty three. So they're going to sit there
and say to the Jets, all right, you don't want

(01:13:03):
to get a deal done now, good luck, because we'll
we'll release him and you can you can fend with
everybody else, but it's going to be late in the season.
So if I were the Jets, right, I ask you again,
the Jets have so many great pieces in place. They
had such a productive draft last year. They had the
offensive Rookie of the year, the defensive rookie of the year,

(01:13:26):
and brace Hall who might have been the offensive rookie
of the year had he not gotten hurt. So I
had a great draft last year. I wouldn't hesitate if
the Packers want those two second round picks done, get
Aaron Rodgers in asap. What are you quibbling about? Hang
on a second though.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
So I always like to compare quarterbacks to the real
estate market because it makes the most sense to me
to compare quarterbacks to houses, because they're usually long term
decision or really expensive short term decision.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
So, just like the housing market, if you're gonna if
you're going to invest in an expensive neighborhood, the best
things to buy are the worst houses on the block
that you can sort of renovate and make it match
the neighborhood and increase the asset value. Think Jalen Hurts.
Jalen Hurts, I mean when you talk about him in

(01:14:24):
terms of Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, does he
really fit in that conversation? No, he doesn't, But is
he is? He like a guy who's developing into a
real quarterback at the NFL level. Yeah, I mean, was
his development expedited by being surrounded by a lot of
talent offensively and defensively?

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Mind you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
And could I see him growing into one of the
elite quarterbacks in the NFL. Sure, but he's not there yet.
But they've made a investment where they may be overpaying
him on the front end of this contract. But this
contract will a well with the Philadelphia Eagles and Jellen
Hurts because they're they're going to be paying him in

(01:15:07):
concordance with his output at some point, and then they're
hoping to surpass that with his output actually being more
than what he's actually deserved or owed on this contract.
That's the goal, right, It's to buy that the lesser
house on the best block and then renovated into what
you hope it should look like in that neighborhood. In

(01:15:27):
terms of a guy like Aaron Rodgers, boil boy, you
do not want to pay too much here, you know.
So the Green Bay Packers have made it publicly known
they don't need a number one for Aaron, but they
also know that Aaron has kind of kneecapped them because
he said publicly the only team I want to go
to is the Jets. So the Jets have leverage here,
and the Jets don't need to overpay immediately. They can

(01:15:50):
wait all the way until the draft to spend the
capitol necessary requisite to get Aaron in.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
So I actually don't mind that they're doing this. I'm
going to explain we're case scenario still being the best
case scenario for the Jets. This is Fox Sports Sunday
Conversation Never Sees the Zomaze Steve Harman and Rich Ornberger,
Fox Sports Sunday Live from the tai Iraq dot Com Studios.

(01:16:18):
I just want to get back to the Jets for
a second here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Well, because the last thing you said to me, and
we didn't discuss this at all at the break, we
were discussing some other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yeah, but the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Last thing you said to me was I can explain
to you why the worst case scenario for the Jets
he's actually the best case scenario. And I am now
waiting with baited breath, okay, to hear how this makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Worst case scenario for the Jets, they overspend on Rogers
and he leaves after one year, okay, and then he's
gone and you're back to ground zero.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Let's say he gave up two number one two two's
those two second round picks and Rogers comes in and
after the year he leaves. Need I remind you that
the Jets have not been in the postseason since twenty ten,
with the Sacramento Kings finally getting into the playoffs this year.
In the four major team sports in this country, no

(01:17:14):
team has had a longer draft than the New York Jets.
My guess is that a very motivated Aaron Rodgers, much
as a very motivated Tom Brady led Tampa Bay all
the way to a Super Bowl championship, at the very least,
a motivated Aaron Rodgers will get you to the postseason.

(01:17:38):
When you think about going from Zach Wilson to Aaron Rodgers,
with all the young talent they have around him, they
will be a playoff team. So even if he were
to leave after the year, maybe they may even make
a run to let's say the conference championship game. It's

(01:17:58):
worth it because you've got to bring a certain winning
mentality back to that team. So even if he were
to leave after that year, he is infused. Plus you
still have Zach Wilson all right, and suddenly he's been
at the feet of the master. I believe that even
if worst case scenario you overspend, he leaves after one year.

(01:18:23):
My guess is, if he has success the first year,
he's not going anywhere because he's being paid a lot
of money. But I would if that were the worst
case scenario, that is still a positive, okay for the Jets.
Hang on, though, Yeah, let.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Me push back on what the worst case scenario actually is.
The worst case scenario is, after all this discussion and debate,
like we know has been somewhat of his track record
with Aaron Rodgers, he can change his mind and he
can decide. You know what, I'm tired of this. The

(01:18:56):
Jets are overplaying their hand. I don't want to be
in New York Jet anymore. And so the Packers are
either going to have to eat this contract and I'm
not gonna play for them. I'm going to retire, or
They're gonna trade me to Team X and he names
a new team and this all starts all over again.
So to me, the worst case scenario isn't overpaying Rogers.

(01:19:19):
It's it's actually somehow by getting a little too big
for your breches and assuming that he's coming to your team,
you overplay your hand and he doesn't end up playing
for the Jets ever. Now, that would be a complete
disaster because in your quarterback room currently you've got Tim Boyle,
Zach Wilson obviously who's been dreadful so far, Tim Boyle,

(01:19:43):
who's a backup to Zach Wilson, I would assume at
this point, a twenty eight year old career backup in
the NFL. And Chris Streveler, who started out in the
Canadian Football League and has been a backup or practice
squad player his entire career. I mean, you would have.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
To immediately go out and try to find the car
right now. Packers are the Jets right now. Like I said,
it's the Jets, but you can overplay that hand. Whatever
it takes. Jets get Aaron Rodgers in the uniform. That's
good point. I mean, that's why, that's why, literally in
the last hour it's been made public that once again

(01:20:19):
talks have begun. This deal has got to get done
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we got four NBA games going on today. Knicks have
the two point lead, actually now four point lead is
the fourth quarter just underway over the Cavs. Again, I
don't see how the one of these teams posing much

(01:21:01):
of a threat to the top three teams in the East.
They got some interesting players on these two teams, But
I still think when I look at that Celtics team
right now, and Celtics will be playing on the road
against the Hawks coming up here shortly, I still think
they're just a class above this game that's coming up next,

(01:21:21):
which will be tipping off at the bottom of the hour.
Sacramento and the Warriors. This one has been a wild series.
Oh yeah, you know. It opened up in Sacramento. They
had the longest drought of any team in all of
American professional team sports, and those fans. You know, I
always love it when announcers say, Wow, the crowd is

(01:21:42):
really into this game, and you're like, it doesn't sound
like it. I don't know what they are pumping into
the speakers in Sacramento, but I can't remember the last
time I watched an NBA game where the crowd was
that loud. I mean, they were rocking that place the
first two games.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Yeah, I mean the Golden State Warriors they have got
they have got to get it together at home today.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Yeah, there's no question about it. Well, they're eleven and
thirty two in on the road this year. They were
eleven and thirty in the regular season, zero and two.
They just can't win on the road. How is it
possible A team with the players they have, the championship pedigree,
they have not capable of winning on the road anymore.
I don't get it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Again, Like you know, we were talking about this in
the first hour of the show today, Steve, there is
a little bit of that complacency that can sneak into
the equation when your team's led by veterans who have
been there and done it as long as the Warriors have.
You know, we were talking about the Lakers that time
with Lebron James. But this applies to the Warriors perfectly.
Who's done it more at a high level than Steph Curry,

(01:22:49):
Draymond Green, and Klay Thompson together, you can argue right
now in the NBA nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
So there's a little bit of that, like.

Speaker 10 (01:22:57):
Hey, gang, like, we know when we got to kick
it into gear, and yeah, it's a cute effort by
the Sacramento Kings, but let's face it, we're better.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
We just have to play like it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Okay, Game four, everybody good, consensus. Game four, that's when
we should turn it on in this series. Now, I'm
not saying they weren't trying hard. I'm not saying that
they weren't efforting to win any of these or I
should say all these games, because they obviously were. I
mean there's a lot of passion. You saw that with
Draymond and everything that occurred. I just look at the

(01:23:32):
Warriors and I think to myself, like, this is a
team who doesn't look as hungry as the Sacramento Kings.
And that's what youth and inexperience gives you. It's important
to have some veterans who've been there before, have been
to the mountaintop, have enjoyed the spoils of war. But
it's also equally important to have some hungry cats on
your roster who just are in dogged pursuit of some

(01:23:55):
respect on their name, and the Warriors they already are respected.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
So we were talking earlier about, you know, the load
management situation that apparently is extending even to postseason play now.
So the Warriors this year were thirty three and eight
at home, eleven and thirty on the road. I mean,
that just doesn't seem possible how a team could be
thirty three and eight at home and eleven and thirty
on the road with the players that they have on

(01:24:22):
that team. But also to mine, it's just the idea
of all right, last year the Warriors made another unexpected
till a lot of people run to win yet another championship,
and maybe because it is such a grind with an
older team as they have, maybe they're just thinking that, hey,
if we just show up for all the home games

(01:24:42):
were okay. The problem is they don't have the home
court advantage. They're gonna have to win at least one
game in Sacramento to win this series. It doesn't matter
what they do at home. They have to figure out
a way to win at least one game. I didn't
ask about the Draymond Green stomp. Yeah, and that was
as blatant as it gets. I mean, that was a
he got a stop, he got his money's worth. And

(01:25:03):
the memes have been a crazy you know, the wrestling
one is classic, or just stopping jumping on him with
both feet. I don't know what the argument was about
the suspension. It just seemed like so many people were
coming to his defense. Oh, it's ridiculous saying that. You know, well,
he really didn't instigate that Sabonis grabbed him. And but

(01:25:23):
but here's the thing. First of all, the commissioner was
at the game. Yeah, so Adam Silver was at the game.
Not only did he blatantly stomp on Sabonis, but then
he engaged the crowd. So he's carrying on. And if
you're the commissioner of the league, and you know the
track record at Draymond Green and the argument as well,

(01:25:46):
the only reason he got suspended is because he has
a track record. Okay, yeah, exactly, he has a track record.
It was not a good look for the league. It's
nice to have a little controversy. It's a little fun,
you know. Fortunately Sabonis wasn't seriously hurt. Could have been
the man jumps on you and stops on your chest. Yeah,

(01:26:06):
but I couldn't believe how many people were like outraged
that Draymond Green was suspended for a game because of
that incident. Well, and also here's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Draymond Green's own words, because obviously he hosts his own podcasts,
and in the most recent episode that he dropped during
this playoff run, mind you, he said, you know, I
never knew you could be suspended for a flagrant two
that happened seven years ago. And what he was alluding
to is the fact that because he got into an

(01:26:40):
altercation with Lebron when they met in the finals. Yep,
and that's considered his history of having these sort of
altercations and part of the reasoning in his suspension. It's
what he brought up. He said, I also didn't know
you could get suspended for interacting with the crowd that's
flipping you the double birds and yelling your name chance

(01:27:00):
that you suck. Okay, so are you saying, Draymond that
you are the first player ever who's gotten suspended for
interacting with the crowd, Because that's not true. Are you
saying you're the first, You're saying you're the first NBA
player ever who's ever been suspended or ejected from a

(01:27:21):
game based off of your track record as a problem child.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
In the NBA. That's not true. I'm pretty sure a
man named Dennis Rodman existed. I'm pretty sure a man
named Metaworld Peace existed. I mean, those are recent enough examples,
and I'm sure you watch both of those players play
and they're very similar characters to who you are as
a player run our test at the time. Obviously. The
point I'm trying to make, though, is like for him

(01:27:45):
to act like this is just ridiculous. I mean, it's
almost comical, and anybody to come to Draymond's defense and
all of this is equally comical. Did Sabonus started Yeah, yeah, maybe,
and he got a technical by the way, yeah he
got Tiponus got a technical on the play. But you're

(01:28:07):
not that that's not a fact that you stopped on
a man while he was on the ground, Like I mean,
and these two things were not equal, Like when you
really look at it, if I grab your leg.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Well, you're trying to run away. That's one thing, and
right a technical foul feels appropriate. But if I stomp
on a grown man's chest in the middle of a
basketball game, literally in the middle of the court. He
did this at the free throw line, practically they were
halfway out of the pain. Stop on a grown man's
chest when nobody else is on that side of the

(01:28:41):
floor anymore, because the offense is rushing to the opposite side.
You're telling me that's not that's not enough violence warranted
for an ejection.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
I mean, the guy. This has now become wwe.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
This has become pomp and circumstance, as opposed to talking
about this series where Sacramento's playing some brilliant basketball against
a veteran team.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
So maybe, and then the mindset of Draymon. And I
remember Draymond when he was at Michigan State. And I
remember the first time I actually heard a Draymon interview.
It was like some postgame during his collegiate career. And
I don't know, every once in a while, I'm listening
to an athlete and he catches my ear and that
was Draymon. And you know, what does he do? Well,

(01:29:22):
he ended up a second round pick, and obviously he's
been an invaluable member to the Warriors and their four
championship runs. So maybe his mindset was something needs to change,
because if we don't win a road game, we're going
to be gone in the first round of the playoffs.
So maybe I'll just be Draymon and do something completely
outrageous rally my teammates around me, which they did in

(01:29:45):
Game three, and it's going to work. I don't dismiss
the Warriors in the series at all. Something tells me,
because I love this Kings team. The Aaron Fox, to me,
might be the most underrated star, like true star in
the NBA. He's that good and he was that good
in college. But there's something still about the Warriors. This

(01:30:07):
incident smells to me like it's going to lead to
something positive for the Warriors.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Yes, I and this is a case where I actually
think the worst case scenario still isn't the worst case
scenario for the Warriors because of what Draymon did. And
it felt very similar to this during the seventy three
win regular season where they ran into the Calves in
the finals and the lebron led Calves beat the Warriors, Draymon.

(01:30:32):
Draymon gave the Warriors an excuse. Now, if they go
on and they win that finals, He's going to get
a ton of credit. The Warriors are going to get
a ton of credit for the momentum shift and the
attitudinal change that occurred during that finals if they win.
If they beat the Calves, but they lose and Draymond's
the foil, you can blame it on Draymon. Draymon is

(01:30:55):
the lightning rod and the energy generator for that team.
He does both of those things. So right now he's
playing the part of the lightning rod because I think
he felt it immediately Sacramento came to win. That fan
base is avid. They want to see their team win.
So the Kings are going to be a tough out

(01:31:15):
in the first round and he's right now playing the foil.
If they lose this series, everybody will blame it on Dremond.
And that takes the pressure off Kerr, That takes the
pressure off Curry, that takes the pressure off of Klay Thompson,
the young Bucks who are on this team. This is
his role on this roster. I mean, and it's six
years it's nearly a decade or seven years, nearly a

(01:31:37):
decade apart from the last time he did this in
the finals, where they were like, holy cow, we felt
unbeatable until we ran into King James and this Cavs team.
But we're gonna lose this series unless something changes, and
so he acted out. He kicked Lebron in the balls,
and like literally, the rest is history from there. That's
the reason why Lebron's a Laker now because he was
unfinished business and he returned it's a prodigal son to

(01:32:01):
Cleveland and got them a championship and moved on with
his career. Draymond's feeling that again, I can promise you that,
and even if this is subconscious, he realized, uh oh,
like we're going to lose to the Kings here, so
either we need an excuse or we need an energy change.
Either way, it's on me, and that's why he did
what he did. I firmly believe.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
That, all right, I have admitt and I've said this
many times when it comes to social media. I wasn't
raised with social media like most of our listeners out there,
They've lived in a world where social media has been
part of their world and I predate all that, and
so I've been trying to figure it out. I said
something on a show yesterday with Bucky Books that I

(01:32:42):
thought was going to play well to the audience. What
did you do? Apparently it has not for at least
one person. I'll tell you what it is. This is
Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and a Rich Armburger. This
is a Fox a Sports a Sunday from the tire
Rag dot com studios. All right, in the interim since

(01:33:04):
we last spoke, Yeah, Sam came in and revealed a
touching story of something that's happening at his place. What's
going on? He's a bird daddy. He's an egg daddy.
Right now.

Speaker 9 (01:33:17):
I got a little I got a little I got
a little garden, and out on my front porch, I
got like some corn plant and some tomato plants, some
onions growing. And this little mourning dove is a taking
up residence in my planter well, taking up breads, residence
made of nest.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Laid an egg. And now I'm an egg daddy. I'm
a bird daddy. Now, So I got that going? How long?
How long does it take before the egg is due
to hatch? I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:33:42):
I have no idea. I haven't looked into it. I'm
just chilling with it, you know. I want looking at
making sure that birds are Are there any predators that
could get to that egg?

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Okay, so now the egg is in safe, it's very safe.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
I want to caution you of something because one time
in the very recent past, I mean, my oldest is
seven years old. So this happened when he was three,
four years old something like that. We had this like
overhang with a tall cabinet outside, and a mourning dove
took up residence, made a nest, laid some eggs on
top of this tall cabinet, and it's a whole process. Man,

(01:34:16):
like you check on the eggs, like we would climb
a ladder and take video. My kids were into it, well,
the oldest was like, the youngest was one, he had
no idea even who he was yet. But the four
year old was really into it and he's into science.
So we're like taking pictures of the eggs, we're taking
videos of the doves like they're nesting. Anyways, these doves
hatch and then we're taking video of the hatchlings and

(01:34:38):
that's a really cool process. To see the mama dove
come back and feed these doves and then they get
strong enough and big enough that they're gonna fly the nest.
They're like they're going to go out, strike on their own,
start a new life. I mean, this is like you
you're witnessing the birth cycle, Like this is exciting stuff.
So these doves, I have to admit, I was enthralled
by the story and myself these doves off of something

(01:35:01):
like an eight foot cabinet.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
They fall their first attempt to fly, and they hit
the ground. I thought for sure this might be curtains
for one or both of them are injured. Neither of
them were phazed by this at all, you know, And
they kind of hop around on the ground on our
patio on the sideyard, and they're trying to figure it
all out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Well, finally they do, like the feathers work, they fly
up atop the fence that separates our yard from the
neighbor's yard. And then all of a sudden, in that instance,
and thank goodness, something distracted my seven year old or
then four year old, because he walked away from the window.
In that instance, raccoon cat something climbed up that fence

(01:35:39):
in a big hurry, and you just see a poof
of feathers and both doves are gone in one fell swoop.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Dude. Yeah, I mean, don't get too attached here, because
is that a raccoon? It was like a ferret. Raccoon
sound some sort of varbinsha. How are you gonna protect
your baby? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:35:59):
I really don't. I'm not worried about predators, you know. Okay,
it's like it's inside of this courtyard in a condo.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
And so I'll tell you what.

Speaker 9 (01:36:06):
Neither was I until I was, well, that raccoon or
that cat.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Or whatever it was, got to eat that night, I guess.
So that's good. That's the you know, we might.

Speaker 9 (01:36:16):
Feel like we feel sad for the prey, but the
predator also has to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
I will say this though, if it was the break
your heart a little bit fat neighbors cat that you
don't need to eat Garfield his real.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Name was speedy, he was not. He was that there though.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
And and cats, I mean they are vicious, murderous animals.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
They kill so many birds they feel for fun. Yeah,
they just killed, they kill they have.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Yeah, they have trophies like they're they're they're barbaric. I mean,
it's it's not the circle of life. It's legitimately. I'm
just sharpening my law.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
I tell you, I tell you what, I tell you.
What I envisioned him was Sam. Okay, you remember the
the commercial the but the Clydesdale where the guys the
horse and then he obviously goes off to be in
the parade and everything else, and he sees him. He's
getting a little emotional, a guy just especially and you know,
like the horse doesn't remember. But then all of a sudden,
the horse literally turns around and runs back to him

(01:37:14):
and they embrace it. I mean, I watched this commercial still,
I'm literally tearing up, like every time, this is what's
gonna happen with this little baby bird. At some point,
that bird is gonna reunite with you. It's gonna be
it would be instant recognition, and it's gonna it's gonna
be like a Hallmark.

Speaker 9 (01:37:33):
There's that scene in ace Ventura where he's in his apartment.
All animals come out and they're like, He's like oh,
and they come to him, and that'll be a new
pet detective.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
I saw a video on one of these. It was
either TikTok or Instagram where a lady went on a
two week trip, came back to her farm and she
owns a donkey, and that donkey I'm not kidding from
like an acre away was like.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
I mean like running over, like I mean making sound.
Is that were otherworldly love animals, they fall in good
goodness your back. You better be a good he daddy.
Is this is this a alternative to wife and children
for you?

Speaker 9 (01:38:10):
It's just a temporary thing, you know. I'm just making
sure that like step toward the next Yeah, by the way,
to have kittens.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
On your coming engagement we.

Speaker 9 (01:38:20):
Just yeah, yeah, I was trying to make an egg
joke out of that engagement engagement.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Yeah. Hey, I want to read something that was tweeted
to me by one of our listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Okay, yeah, I have a feeling this is going to
be vulgar in some way.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
This is from this came from yesterday's show from Salvador. Okay, Salvador,
so he goes uh turned on for three minutes and
the knuckle dragger at Cannon Hartman talking about you is
bitching and moaning that employees who broke the rules are
in trouble. They know the rules, they broke them. Here's

(01:38:59):
the thought, how about holding people accountable for their actions?
So he refers to me as the knuckle dragger, because
I question why the NFL, which is now in bed
with multiple gambling businesses to the tune of billions of dollars,

(01:39:22):
has suspended players for engaging in gambling activities which the
league acknowledged had no bearing at all on a single game. None.
Some of these rules are crazy. I said yesterday that look,
if you can prove that a player bet on a
game that he participated in and in some way because

(01:39:47):
of the bet, affected the outcome of that game, then
to me, he would be eliminated for life. You're done,
You're expelled from the league for life. But for a
league that allows players to engage in fantasy football leagues,
I mean, if you have your quarterback in a fantasy
football league and one of the players on his team
happens to be a receiver or running back in one

(01:40:09):
of his teammates, and he needs a touchdown from one
of them to win a game, you see the potential there.
I'm not saying they would change it, but the potential
is there. I find this the hypocrisy is ridiculous in
terms of these penalties, indefinite penalties. By the way, two
of the players that were in definitely suspended immediately got
but released by the Lions. Of course, it just seems

(01:40:33):
over the top, this idea that you are not even
you can't engage in any kind of gambling activity while
on the grounds of the team. And I'm just thinking
the penalty does not fit the crime, is my point
right there. Yes, I understand your concerns, but for years

(01:40:56):
the NFL tried to distance themselves from the idea that
that gambling had anything to do in terms of the
popularity of their sport, which in terms of popularity, had
everything to do with the growth of the NFL. And
obviously now they're in bed with those same people. So
I was outraged by this. I thought, to be honest
with you, that this was a point that was going

(01:41:18):
to be embraced by people saying, yeah, I mean, that's
old school thinking. Let's get let's get with it, right.
We're talking about more and more involvement with the gambling community,
the potential of actually going to NFL games at stadiums
where they'll actually have betting windows or betting mechanisms, at
your seat. All of this is coming. But I just

(01:41:39):
thought it was crazy that the idea of these players
was suspended because they bet on a game which they
didn't even participate in. How is that a crime where
you have an indefinite suspension. It seemed over the top.
I thought people would agree, but according to one I
am the knuckle dragger, that is out of it that

(01:41:59):
they should been panelized.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
By the way, before I comment on that the Knicks
right now leading ninety eight ninety to the Cleveland Cavaliers
here in game four of this opening series. Knicks right
now they hold a two to one lead in the series,
about to be three to one here and Jalen Bronson
with a huge performance twenty nine points today.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
I figured this was gonna as a four or five
matchup even teams. Yeah, I mean this is I don't
think either one of these teams is a threat to
the winner. This would take it on Milwaukee course of
no Viannas. I guess they could get by.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
But cruising cruising two, potentially a four to one series
finish here for the nixt with a little time to
wait before facing the Bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Good team.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Yeah, and you know Yannis had the back look, I'm
just saying, and then the Garden. We know the Garden, man,
there's ghosts in that garden. It's a tough place to
win as a road team.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
So well, they got to go back to Cleveland for
Game five. Oh I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
I'm just saying, like, if they advanced through the series
and they get onto the Bucks or whoever waits for
them next, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
I don't know. The Garden hasn't hosted an NBA championship
team since nineteen seventy three. I mean when people say
why the Garden, I'm like, it's been fifty years, fifty
on the dot since the Knicks last won an NBA
champions But remember though, I mean Willis Reid recently passed away.
It's been a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Part of that story is those pat Riley nineties Knicks
teams ran into the Bulls. Yeah, you know that Eastern
Conference was well in the Pacers. I mean there were
there were a lot of good teams in the East
at the time, so very difficult, very difficult opponents.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Was I wronged here? Okay, okay, I have gotten this
criticism about my stance on this gambling situation.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Listen, here here's my thought. I voiced this thought with
Calvin Ridley. If you are going to if you are
going to lay with pigs, you're gonna get dirty. For years,
the NFL acted like they were you pure to bother
with sports betting. That's something they only do in Vegas.

(01:44:06):
And guess what the reason why we're not coming to
Vegas is because we're above that. That was the argument
for a long time, because we don't want to sully
ourselves with those underlings who control those books out there
in the desert.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
That's all changed. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
You literally have stadiums named after sports books. You have
official sports books of the NFL. You have gaming apps
who are working in concert with the NFL. Now you
want to talk about being careful. The NBA overall, I
mean executives who work with teams have been quietly shuffled

(01:44:46):
out of buildings. You've got executives at the league offices
who I'm sure have these gambling apps and are probably
encouraged to maybe learn what.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
They're all about. You think there's ever been an owner
that made a wager on it team to win? Shockingly, No, I.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Think they are all performing completely on the open up.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
And you should never question the ownership in the NFL.
All these guys are good to get moral, high value
people to society. If you actually have proof that some
of made a wager on a team and it affected
the outcome of that game, gone, Yeah, But I mean
the idea of just gambling on something listen, doesn't make it. Listen.

(01:45:26):
The proverbial gates are open. Like. This is the reason
why the NBA, in the new CBA has.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Completely retrofitted the street jug testing to match society. Marijuana
is now acceptable. They're not going to test players for
it any longer in the NBA. Is it federally legal. No,
is it legal in most states now, even for recreational
use or of some sort of use. Yeah, And so
that is matching society's tenor better than what the NFL

(01:45:55):
is currently doing with their betting rules.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
I don't know what the NBA's rules on betting are,
but my point is using that as a comparison, they
even still have their original policies in place. They've been
loose and relaxed a little bit on on marijuana, for example,
but in this new CBA you'll still have guys potentially
getting popped for that too. It's it's just times have
changed and you have to adjust with the time.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
I thought I was changing with the times, but apparently not.
Let's find out what's trending right now, mansie. Would you
would you characterize me as a knuckle dragger?

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
No, but well.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
The knuckle drager means like neanderthal, like you know, like
you know, you're you're an old guy. You know, you
go back to prehistoric times.

Speaker 9 (01:46:41):
Yeah, you want to you want to hear an example, Steve. Yeah,
I went into this liquor store, no surprise.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
Yeah uh.

Speaker 9 (01:46:48):
The guy by the counter, he's eating something, right, and
then he wipes his mouth with his hands, yeah uh.
And then he like wipes his shirt and then grabs
the stuff that I was buying, and he's just like
there's no awareness.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
That he's just this you thought of him as a
cave caveman because he's just like he's just a slob,
like you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
I always think when you say it's like the ascension
of man chart from Darwin, like this puts you back,
you know millennia, like you are you are you are,
you are the form of modern man who is.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Just not evolved. No, actually, something happened today, So I
came in. I always wear the exact same jeans and
shirts on Saturday and Sunday. And I come in today
and I have sweats on with the U C l
A T shirt. I'm going to like work out like
a workout outfit. And everyone was in shock. I was
trying to explain I only have two pairs of jeans.
I mean, Sam had to be fanned away after he fainted.

(01:47:41):
The jeans shocked. The jeans I wore yesterday I spilled
something on him, they had to be washed, so I
had no genes available because the other jeans are being
washed gees. And what I guess, I know, only two?
Come on, why why would I need more than two
pairs of.

Speaker 4 (01:47:56):
But this exact situation we're talking about, well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Know, but I mean, I mean, guys offended that we
would not have noticed that you were wearing what you're
currently wearing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
You just no, what are you talking about? The first
thing I said.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
The second I walked in, she walked in, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
I said, what's happening. What's what's going on?

Speaker 9 (01:48:15):
That scene in pulp fiction where they're wearing like the
Banana Slug T shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
At the end of the day. Yeah, you're out of
their suits. Well, Mantia, I'm uttered, and then you actually
notice what I do wear? Yes, amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
Yeah, I thought something was wrong. I was like, oh, no,
what's going on the end of the world. Why are
you dressed like this? But then he told me what happened,
and then I.

Speaker 1 (01:48:33):
Was like, gotcha, I'm not a knuckle dragon.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
No, no, not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
Well, guys, Donovan Mitchell hit two points in the second
half for the Cleveland Cavaliers, which is no, and the
Knicks have officially taken a three to one commanding lead,
beating them in Game four. One o two to ninety
three was the final score. The Cavs came alive in
the third quarter. They made a game of a race
to fifteen point deficit, but Jayalen Brunson was like not today.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
He ended with twenty nine points, six rebounds.

Speaker 4 (01:49:01):
And six assists, and again New York now leads that
series three to one. We're about to get Game four
between the Warriors and the Kings.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
That's set for twelve thirty pm Eastern sign so it's
going to start right now.

Speaker 4 (01:49:12):
The Warriors are bringing Draymond Green off the bench, is
what they announced in his return from his Game four suspension.
The Athletic reported that Miami he guard Victor Oladipo suffered
a season ending torn pateller tendon in his left knee.
Miami hosts the Books tomorrow for their Game four, and
they lead the series to to one. The Hurricanes are

(01:49:33):
about to take a commanding lead on the ice over
the Islanders. They lead that series two to one, and
they're currently beating them five to one with.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
Five and a half minutes to go in the third period.

Speaker 4 (01:49:42):
In Major League Baseball, it's the Braves who are beating
the Astros two zero.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
Top of the eighth inning.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
The Blue Jays are shutting out the Yankees for zero.
Bottom of the eighth inning. The Dodgers were losing, and
then they were tied thanks to a two run homer
by Mooki Betts, but the Cups. The Cubs have retaken
the lead. Three to two is the score bottom of
the fifth inning, with the Twins beating the Nationals three
to one top of the sixth and the Red Sox
holding on now to a one run lead over the
Brewers three to two bottom of the fifth inning.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
I was barely listening.

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
To you guys because my friend sent me a TikTok
about the fire that happened at Disneyland yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
Oh there was a fire, a fire and I.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Was like, what is this And she's like, did you
hear about this? And I was like no.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
They're a Fantasmic show that happens every day, I think
two times every evening.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
The dragon caught on fire in the middle of the show,
like with people there, Yes, they were watching the show.
So there's tons of it.

Speaker 11 (01:50:32):
As on TikTok, people are recording it and they're all like, oh,
what what's happening. And there's one that I just saw
where the girl's like screaming because the dragon catches fire
at its head they breathe fire.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
Yeah, well stop with that, right, and there's not possible.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
No done.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
Guys, if you didn't watch Fantasmic, I don't know if
we're gonna watch it anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
I will say this, I you know it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
There's always that reaction when something happens at a show
or like a wrestling event or a parade or something
like that. The automatic you're like, oh, this is a
part of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
Look, they set this dragon on fire, and then immediately
when you realize like yeah, no, the performers aren't reacting
the way they would if this was a part of
the show. That's when, like the fear, it's like, you know,
everyone for themselves faces part, You're like, oh, that doesn't
sound like Nickey Mouse's voice. We have problems. All right. Well, Moncey,

(01:51:24):
thanks for that update. I'll share a heroin story of
Disneyland very quickly. I was on Space Mountain once when
my boys were young, all right, so they're probably about
eight and ten years old. Another buddy of the four
of us. It was late and we're on Space Mountain, which,
if you never been on Space Mountain is a roller
coaster in the dark. So they s a idea that

(01:51:46):
you're you know, flying through space. As we're on the
ride inside the mountain. Our car stops in the middle
of the ride, and since we can't see anything, my
immediate thought is we are going to get rammed by
whatever cars behind us and we're all going to die.
I mean that was my thought, right, I can't see anything.

(01:52:06):
All of a sudden, our car stops, and then within
about I don't know thirty seconds, lights go on inside
Space Mountain. Wow, so you go. So so we are
we are in our car, there's another car stopped above us,
there's another car stop below us. And then something's gone

(01:52:29):
on and they had to turn the lights on. So
you know, you got your phone and we're videotaping. You
want to see the inside of Space Mountain, and so
we did, and then they turn off the lights. We
finished our ride, and as we come out and it
was late, like the closing rides, they're like, well, this
car gets to ride again, because they didn't get a
full ride without interruption. It was like great. You can

(01:52:52):
imagine my boys were eight and ten. They're like, yeah, yeah,
there's their second that I thought we were dead special about.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Like, yeah, the elation of realizing you're not going to
you're not you're not going to be doomed to spend
your last moments inside of a rollercoaster exactly, but also
like when when things do go wrong publicly during a
performance there. I remember one time we were at a parade.
This was when I was a kid, and it was
like a local town parade and a marching band came

(01:53:21):
by and too clarinetis must have got into it before
this song started, and somebody elbowed somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
They started swinging clarinets at each other.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen
in my life, and it happened directly. It so literally,
we're taking bets on which clarinetis is gonna win the
short fight with these woodwind instruments.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
I love it. I love that stuff by the way
that leads us into this. Be sure not to miss
Draft Night Live on Fox Sports Radio. That's Thursday night,
eight pm easterns throughout the first round of the Draft.
Insider Jay Glazer, former Cardinals GM, Steve Kahm, College Football
Hall of Fame, Lovar Arrington, Big noon kickoffs. Rob Stone

(01:54:05):
will have a pick by pick predictions reactions to every
first round pick. That's Thursday, eight pm Eastern throughout the
first round of the Draft, live on Fox Sports Radio
and the iHeartRadio app. Another huge name in the NFL
is making noise for all the wrong reasons. I'll tell
you who it is. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin,

(01:54:25):
Rich Harnberger Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the
tyrec dot Com studios. Sam's got a complaint about the
new studio, not about the studio itself. It's going to
be State of the art. It's absolutely beauty of its
location or location within this building. But we are here
in our studios in Sherman Oaks, California, and we have

(01:54:51):
a view of Supulblta Boulevard. And what's interesting is if
you're on the street looking in, it's like a mirror.
Lot of people. We have people that will look they
look like they're looking at us, but they can't see us. Yeah,
and they're you know, the girls are doing their make
you know, we've we've seen it all. I mean we

(01:55:11):
have literally seen it all. Yes, we have. Over the years,
We've seen more than just faces. But the new studio
is like in the inside of the building, so we're
not going to actually have a view of the outside.
No natural sunlight, which kind of bums me out. Now,
some of the sunlight we have to pull the shades
down because it's too intense. I just love having light
pouring in. We all protest. This is going on constantly.

(01:55:32):
Now we have witt some some things. Yes, protests are
constant in this area. So uh yeah, you're just gonna
have to Uh. It doesn't bother me, It bothers you though.
I just I like natural light, you know. Yeah, Okay,
well that's not gonna happen. Here's a question that was
asked of Tom Brady. All right, tom Brady was at

(01:55:53):
some kind of uh he was speaking at some kind
of convention, and he was asked, is there any chance
you're coming out of retirement and playing for the Fins now?
The simple answer could have been no, or it could
have been yes. Yeah. Here was his answer. I will

(01:56:16):
say now that I'm not affiliated with any team anymore,
even though I have strong ties with a couple of teams.
I do have some friends on the Dolphins that I
really like, So I wouldn't say I necessarily root for
them all the time, but I root for my friends
to do well, and several of them play for Miami.
The irony of this is the Miami Dolphins don't have

(01:56:38):
a first round pick this year because they were found
tampering with Tom Brady when he was under contract to Tampa.
That's why they lost their friends. So why there's only
thirty one picks in the first round this year. They
forfeited their drift draft pick because of tampering involving Tom
Brady and his agent. You also have a quarterback to

(01:56:59):
a tongue of who really recently said that he did
consider retirement. And there's a lot of people I hear that.
I heard Keishawn Johnson say this, and when I've heard
other people, when you start talking about retirement, you're already retired.
You can make that argument. By the way, for Aaron Rodgers,
who said he came out of a hibernation ninety percent

(01:57:20):
convinced that he was retired. Then he said, now I
want to play for the Jets, right, So when Tom
Brady doesn't give it a firm no, no, I have
no interest.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
So here's the exact question, and here's the exact quote.
He said, is there any chance you're coming out of
retirement and playing for the Fins? And then he gave
that answer you just said where he said, I will
say now that I'm not affiliated with any team anymore,
even though I have strong ties with a couple teams.
What the hell does that mean? Like you said, the
simple answer is yes or no. Right, It's a simple

(01:57:50):
yes or no, yes or no. Like what's so interesting
is the specificity of the question. First of all, yeah,
and secondarily with that's interesting about the question is the
answer itself is so vague. If you're retired. You're retired
if you're retired. When I retired from the NFL, when
I had made the decision that I will no longer

(01:58:12):
play in the NFL, I knew I was no longer
playing in the NFL. To me, this is not a
firm retirement. That video that was released on South Beach,
that again you could argue, felt a little rushed, felt
a little more intimate, but also felt a little rushed
and emotional. There was no press conference again yet held

(01:58:34):
for Tom Brady's retirement. Remember this is Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
Welllus Remember he's also indicated his run well Fox Sports
will not start till twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
Yeah, and this is Tom Brady, who has become a
social media maven, who's building several different brands under his name,
who has a production company. You're telling me, if Tom
Brady is officially retired from the NFL, there's going to
be no further pomp and circumstance than just a video
that he cuts on a beach somewhere indiscriminately in South Beach, Miami.
That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
That he was the thing. Right, You have rare insight,
because obviously you were a teammate of his. You were
his center. Yeah, you know this guy intimately. Well, is
this Tom Brady that has emerged in terms of his
social persona since leading New England? Does this surprise you? No?

(01:59:25):
Knowing to Tom Brady you know many years ago?

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
Well, look, I mean people change, obviously. This is somebody
I left New England in twenty twelve, so and we've
barely spoke since there. I look at Tom Brady now
as being a product of the times, like people have
to keep up with the times, otherwise the times will
pass you by. And he's done a nice job hiring
people around him to help him with social media and

(01:59:51):
expanding himself beyond just you know, the structure of football.
I think that was part of the reason why he
left New England in.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
The first place. I guess he'sjohinn Us in the next ho.
All right, John Palmer, Rose scene, it's been a while.
We're gonna talk some MLB. This is Fox Sports Sunday.
Having a great day. We are here, beautiful day outside
where we are. I don't know about the weather where
everyone else is. We had here in southern California. Don't
want to complain about everything anything, because we needed rain

(02:00:21):
desperately here and we got it in abundance. But now
the sun is out at over two feet of rain,
which is great. We needed that rain. Yeah, there was,
there was.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
There were a couple of reservoirs drying up, and now yeah,
now there are lakes.

Speaker 1 (02:00:35):
Dude, I mean there was a lot of rain.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
Yeah, brand new rivers emerging as the snow's melting off
of mountains.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
It's pretty crazy. But actually I was watching, like the
Dodgers are playing the Cubs right now Wrigley Field and
it's like forty degrees. Yeah, there's snow flurries at the
Colorado Spring game. I saw that. Did you see that? Yeah,
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Network's John Paul Morosi. I'm sure I'll also have a
little update on the NHL playoffs, because he is mister
hockey as well. I want to go back Rich fourteen

(02:01:24):
years ago, All right, fourteen years ago. The year is
two thousand and nine. There is a Associated Press third
team All American out of Penn State named Rich Ornberger
who is anxiously awaiting when and where his name will
be called in the NFL draft. Now, let's take it.

(02:01:47):
Let's take us back. What were the circumstances on draft
day in two thousand and nine? I know TV cameras
are there, National TV was all over your house. Oh yeah,
of course, crawling the yards. It was so hey. When
when did you expect to be drafted? Were you thinking
a third day guy? What was going on there? And

(02:02:10):
and take us through, because for all these kids, as
they get ready for fulfilling a dream to hear their
name announced associated with some NFL team. You played as
a kid, you played Pop Warner, you play high school,
you played college. For that moment to hear your name

(02:02:31):
called in the NFL draft. I just can't imagine. Even
if you're the last guy, like who was that guy,
brock Purty whatever happened him? Uh, last pick in the draft.
Oh that's right, he's just start now. Anyway, take us
back fourteen years, rich Ornberger, when would you expected to
be drafted and what was your draft day or day's experience?

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
Like, okay, so my wife was in town visiting me
because at the time she went to Penn State. That's
where we met, but she was living with her parents still.
I mean, we're kids, we're puppies, you know, we're in
our early twenties and trying to make trying to make
the relationship work. And she came to my house, and

(02:03:18):
my friends showed up at the house, and my parents
obviously were there, my siblings, and we were just waiting
to see what happened next. I mean, the reality is
where I expected to be drafted, per discussions with my agents.
His discussions with teams was somewhere in the second day.
At that time, they did the first and second round
I believe on Day one, and then third through seven

(02:03:40):
on Day two, and at very most I would be
a second day guy, probably late in the day, you know, fifth, sixth,
seventh round pick or priority free agent. That was his thought,
you know, go undrafted potentially and get to pick which
team I want to go to. If there was any
sort of bidding war, so that was what my expectations were.
What ended up happening was the Patriots selected me in

(02:04:02):
the fourth round and they had traded a corner to
acquire the pick in the first place. And it was crazy,
man Like, I remember thinking to myself, like, how is
this real life? It felt surreal. And I got on
the phone with Bear's Nigerian who was the special assistant
to the head coach, Bill Belichick, spoke to him briefly

(02:04:23):
and Robert Kraft briefly, and within that ninety second phone call,
my face and name came up on the screen in
the living room, and I remember having to leave the
front door of the house to finish this conversation because
my whole family and friends who were over were going
absolutely bonkers because it had happened. And I walked back

(02:04:45):
into the house and you don't realize, and I can
remember that day so vividly. You don't realize how important
certain moments are for the rest of your life while
they're happening. But that was, next to obviously marrying my
wife and the birth of my two sons, the most
significant day of my entire life. I mean, it changed

(02:05:05):
everything for me, all.

Speaker 1 (02:05:06):
Right, so to say that you weren't completely consumed by
your own situation. You had four Penn State teammates drafted
in the same draft. Can you name him? Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
Yeah, uh, Jared Odrick I believe was my draft year.

Speaker 1 (02:05:20):
Wasn't he? That is already wrong. So there you go. Okay,
Dan Connor, that's another guy that was not drafted that year,
So you were really only Intermaron was and seventeenth overall
to Buffalo. Correct, Yes, I'm looking at it right. Was
he seventeenth? He was eleventh eleven? All right, all right,
but Buffalo Bills took him. There were two third round

(02:05:41):
picks on the seventh round pick.

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
Okay, let me give you another one, okay, And I'm
certain that Derek Williams was drafted. Derek Williams was the
third round. Oh, he was third round. I was gonna
say second round. And you said there was another.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
Third rounder, Yes, there was. There was another third rounder
and the seventh round. Wow wow.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
And also in the third round, it was a gentleman
by the name of.

Speaker 1 (02:06:07):
No question about it, Sean Lee. No, I was not Shudley.
It was the same position as Derek Williams, Dion Butler,
Dion but ah, And what's amazing to me is a
guy that you have claimed to me over these many
years is like one of your closest friends and an
All American teammate of yours was picked in the seventh round,

(02:06:29):
and you have not said Q Shipley a q Shipley.

Speaker 2 (02:06:32):
He was the Rimington Award winner. That's he's not still playing.
You know what's so funny. No, he's he's retired, and
he's finally retired. He's finally retired. You know what's so
amazing about Aq is he was one of the most
sensational offensive linemen you've ever seen in college football. But
because he didn't have the intangibles, he was short and

(02:06:52):
he had short arms, he just got completely overlooked by
the NFL. Went on to have a brilliant career, won
a Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneer was a
reserve offensive lineman who fought his way to become a
starting offensive.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Safe to say, he's one of the more successful seventh
round picks ever ever. I mean, and and again in
college he was.

Speaker 2 (02:07:11):
He was All American Team Remington Award winner, Like I mean,
this was a big deal. And the fact that he
got taken seventh and literally had to scrape and scrounge
together a career. At first is remarkable, but then the
fact that he was able to persevere through all that
was equally remarkable and a tremendous human being. But yeah,
I I to say I was consumed with my own

(02:07:33):
storyline that day.

Speaker 1 (02:07:34):
Yeah, is an understatement. In fact, I can tell you this,
this is a true story.

Speaker 2 (02:07:38):
I remember being interviewed by somebody and they asked me
a question about and I think it was somebody back
in Pennsylvania, because you know, I grew up in New York,
but I went to Penn State. So I was on
that campus for five years, made a lot of friends
in the media, and they had my phone number or
got it through the athletic department. So I get phone
calls for articles that are being written and they're asking

(02:07:59):
me questions about the other guys who were drafted, and
I had to.

Speaker 1 (02:08:02):
Speak so vaguely because I had no idea who else
got drafted out of pend State. I was just like, yeah,
I'll tell you what. They were all great contracts. I
thought I was giving you the well you would have
met well a q Shipley. Obviously you didn't even mention. Okay,
so do you remember the first phone conversation or in

(02:08:23):
person conversation or just conversation they had to with Bill Belichick.

Speaker 2 (02:08:28):
Well, that first conversation was draft day. I barely remember
it other than him saying, we're really excited about it,
We're excited to have you on the team. We'll get
you started here soon, we'll send you information, enjoy the day.
And that was about it. Robert Kraft got on the
phone and was kind of.

Speaker 1 (02:08:46):
Like much was it a robot call or was it actually?

Speaker 2 (02:08:51):
But it sounded like, well, I'm getting the conversation, you know,
after the phone call when I was like digesting everything.
I'm pretty sure every draft pick gets the same conversation
from Bill. Yeah, but yeah, I mean the first time
he spoke to any of us personally was when we
showed up for rookie mini camp. And you get to realize,
and I mean in a hurry, especially in that place,

(02:09:13):
like how much of a business it is like in
college at that time. Again, this is back in two
thousand and eight. The two thousand and nine draft is
when I was selected. There was still this mythology around
college athletics being amateur athletics, which wasn't true at that
time either, but that was the mythology and a lot
of people bought it. And you know, so you were

(02:09:34):
kind of protected from the business side to sport a
little bit more in college then than you are now,
obviously with name, image and likeness rules changing. But when
you got to New England and you were talking to
Bill Belichick to say that, to say that he didn't
have the entirety of the rookie class walking on eggshells,

(02:09:56):
immediately worried that we were going to lose our job.
From day one we didn't perform, there would be an understatement.
Everybody was like, where are we?

Speaker 1 (02:10:05):
Like? What is why? Why is?

Speaker 2 (02:10:07):
Why is he so scary? This is I mean, but
he commands that that presidence.

Speaker 1 (02:10:12):
You gotta do that. If you're going to run an
NFL team as a coach, you got to command that
kind of respect and the fact that you have maintained
this tight relationship with the coach all these years. Listen,
we speak six volumes here, three years there.

Speaker 2 (02:10:24):
We speak at least three times a month, and it's
it's mainly him and I get it, like, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:10:29):
He needs a sounding board. Yeah, Look, and everybody needs
that not taking his calls anymore because well he needs it.
I'll tell you one thing. That guy needs a good
draft this year. Yeah, in a in a hurry, all right.
On the other side, we're reunited with one of our
favorite people. Let's talk some Major League baseball. John Paul
Morosi JP will join us. Coming up next, that's baseball

(02:10:49):
Steve Harbin and Rich Harburger Fox Sports Sunday. We are
live from the tyrack dot com studios. We're going to
be joined shortly here by one John Paul Morosi. I
got to ask you Rich down in San Diego. Where
you are the Podreys obviously a lot of hype, huge
payroll editions. Well, let's get into it with a guy

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that knows baseball like no other. He is, of course
with the MLB network, he's mister Hockey on top of
everything else. But we love him as a friend. Our
Fox Sports Radio MLB insider John Paul Morosi joins us
once again. JP. It's been a long time we missed.

Speaker 5 (02:11:29):
You and my friends, and it is a great time
of year.

Speaker 4 (02:11:33):
We got about a.

Speaker 5 (02:11:34):
Month's worth of games to discuss in the baseball world.
The NHL Stanley Cup, playoffs are rolling. Some great stories
there already. The Seattle Kraken have been a really tough
competition there early on for the defending Stanley Cup champions
in Colorado. So some great storylines all the way around.

Speaker 1 (02:11:51):
Well, the last time that we spoke was right before
the season. I asked you give us the team that's
going to show the most improvement in twenty twenty and
you did not hesitate. You said it will be the
Chicago White Sox they lost against today. They're seven and fifteen.
The team they lost to the Tampa Bay Rays started

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thirteen and zero and they're now on another five game
winning streak. They're undefeated at home even though no one
shows up. Give us a little evaluation of the team
that's running away so far as the best team in baseball.

Speaker 5 (02:12:27):
It's a great point. And certainly they are a team
that has had even some injuries this year. They had
Jeffrey Springs leave the rotation that they have yet to
have Tyler Glass now. But you've got Tos Bradley, you've
got a lot of great young talent they're entering play.
You've got Rasmussen, you've got McClanahan, you've got a great
group of position players. They've gotten better from the left side,

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like Brandon Lao has really re emerged. They've got Yanni
Diaz over a third base, and they just have so
much talent. Wander Franco of course healthy and making a
huge impact. They are a team that, despite their payroll
disadvantages in the toughest division in the game, find ways
to win all the time. Kevin Cash great manager, front office,

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Eric Neander, Peter Bendix outstanding. The way that they constantly
find ways to innovate is really setting the bar for
the whole industry. And I just rattle off the names
of six or seven players who are all making an
impact in different ways, and their farm system continues to
do that and churn out top level talent all the time.

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So you've got to give the raise credit. Their creativity
continues to impact. And it's a division where I still
think that in the end, it won't surprise me if
the Yankees find a way to win the division because
of how much talent they have. But the thing about
the way the Rays have built their team, and let's
never lose sight of this. When you have the younger

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players and you have the ability to be flexible with
your roster, optioning players up and down. When you have
one player go out with injury, it doesn't fundamentally change
and reshape your roster. And look at the Yankees when
Stanton is on the injured list, They've got a lot
of money on the IL right now. Montas it also

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fits that description Luis s Everino two. When you have
players who are hurt and making a bunch of money,
it complicates your roster management. When the Rays, when everybody's
making right around the same, you can shuttle players in
and out and it doesn't really change the flow of
your roster. So the Rays are just a masterclass for

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how to build an organization and also honestly the wisdom
and the flexibility that comes when you say no to
some of the larger contracts that can, in different ways
restrict the movements of other clubs.

Speaker 2 (02:14:54):
JP Morosi joining us on Fox Sports Radio, going from
one corner of the United States to the opposite one,
and you got the San Diego Padres with an infusion
of some long awaited talent from Fernando Tatis Junior coming
off of the IL stints and the performance enhancing drug suspension,
and also Joe Muskrove starting pitcher, got his first start

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over the weekend against the Diamondbacks, gets back from a
fractured toe injury from spring training. So look, the Peter Siler,
owner of the Padres, has been spending a tremendous amount
of money in the off seasons, booying the odds of
success for the Padres. They've got off to a sluggish start,
but you know, bring us through it. You know, what

(02:15:37):
are these additions with Muskrove back and Tatis back going
to mean for the Padres over the course of the season.
And I almost balk not to be puny here to
ask you the question, which is the more important return
for the Padres. Is it Musgrove or is it Tatis.

Speaker 5 (02:15:56):
You know, that's a great question because you look at
the Padres right now, Rich and they're a game and
a half back of the Diamondbacks, not the Dodgers. The
Diamondbacks and the Dodgers right now are at eleven and eleven.
They have in some ways with there, with some injuries
with La and still really you think about Gavin Lux
not being there still has had an impact on the Dodgers.

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They had Mookie Best playing short stuff because he can
do everything, which I love, but I think with the padres,
it makes a greater difference for me that Tatisa's back
just because he can change their lineup every game. He
impacts every single game, and I think that overall he's
played pretty well defensively too, and right field looks like

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he's really getting more comfortable out there. I would also
point out that they really have not yet seen and
you guys know this. We haven't seen the best of
Soto this year. We haven't even seen the best of
Machado this year. And so if they're right around five
hundred now with getting up until the last couple of
days zero from Tatis and really below power expectations from

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Machado and Soto, Bogarts has been brilliant. But this is
a team that's built on superstar offensive players. Let's be honest.
That's what this team is built on, and they really
haven't played collectively like superstars yet. I expect they will
by the time the season is done. And based on
Peter Seidler's track record and AJ Preller, you've got two

(02:17:28):
guys who do not stand pat at any trade deadline
anytime to improve the roster. So I would expect we'll
see them make even more moves of the deadline, given
the way the Angels have played. Maybe Otani's out there
in July and August, and then obviously in the offseason
as well. So there are just so many different avenues

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for the Padres to go. And one thing that I
think is totally true of all the years that I've
covered baseball is that one of the bromides and truisms
that have survived because it's accurate, is you cannot win
the division in April, but you can certainly lose it.
And the Padres have not lost it. They have in

(02:18:09):
some ways underperformed expectations, but when you look up and
you're just a game and a half behind the Diamondbacks,
you feel like you've got a chance to play more
than two games better than Arizona over the final five months.
So the Padres should feel and I think do feel,
quite good about their chances.

Speaker 1 (02:18:28):
I'm talking earlier about the Rays and how they just
seemingly do it year after year, despite limited fans support,
limited money being spent on players. The Oakland A's are
that same team for many many years. They're not anymore.
This is not just a bad team. This is a
historically bad team through twenty one games. Get this, guys,

(02:18:49):
Their team Erra is eight point zero eight as a
team money, they've been outscored by one hundred runs this year.
And now all the buzz about the move to Vegas.
What has happened to Billy being this A's organization that
we find themselves, like I said, not just bad, historically bad.

Speaker 5 (02:19:13):
No, it's a very fair point. And you look at
the payroll wise. I mean, their payroll now is substantially
lower than what Tampa's is, and I think that that's
part of the issue. If they had kept their team together.
Let's think about what Matt Chapman is doing right now
in Toronto, what Matt Olsen has done in Atlanta. They

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had a pretty good base of talent that they just
had to move on from. And I think that part
of what makes the Rays really good is that they
seem to optimize and when they make moves, they bring
in the right guys in trades, and they hit on
those trades when they move players out, like the Chris
Archer trade is one really strong example of that. And

(02:19:57):
the A's, I just think haven't quite brought on the
same level of talent in the draft and developing it.
And then they also haven't maybe hit on the right trades,
and the A's don't have Wander Franco on their team,
and that's a huge difference in terms of what Wander brings,
and they don't have a Shane McLanahan right now. There's

(02:20:18):
a few superstar players that have kept the Rays afloat
that simply are not on Oakland's team. And you're right.
I mean, now we're entering this phase where I do
think the last year or so they were really spinning
their tires trying to figure out this ballpark situation and
not able to really get any sort of direction until

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the stadium situation was resolved. And now in the last
week we saw what happened, and I think that with Vegas,
hopefully for the A's organizationally, they'll finally have some direction
and the ability to just keep your players when when
they even get to arbitration years and you want to

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keep them there. I mean that that's something that the
A's just haven't been able to do, and the Rays
at least have had enough consistency in the near term
to do it. So it's obviously a difficult time for
fans in the East Bay, but you look at what
could happen and the success you see the Vegas Golden
Knights now playing in the Stanley Cup playoffs and the

(02:21:21):
new ballpark is going to be just west of there.
This move seemed rather inevitable for a while, and it
just makes a lot of sense when you consider the
difficulty they were going to have in California, getting the
land use approved, getting the purchase all all sorted out.
It was just it was going to take far too
long without a guarantee of success. And I think that

(02:21:44):
it just based on where they were with the calendar,
this was the one logical move to make. As difficult
as it is for the for the loyal fans in.

Speaker 2 (02:21:52):
The East Bay, JP ball doctoring is something that is
as it's as much a part of the sport a
base anything else. It's been going on for forever, I
mean forever and ever. I mean there's certain guys who
whether it's sticky, or it's slippery, or it's you know,
they like to play with a baseball that's been hard
hit because it gives a little wobble or a little

(02:22:16):
extra tail to certain pitches. I mean These guys know
a baseball like it's an appendage, like it's attached to them,
these pitchers and Max Schurzer obviously is is suspended ten
games now for sticky stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:22:31):
Ten games. He didn't appeal, so he'll serve out the suspension,
most likely missed two starts, and then he'll be back.
He swears that it was just sweat and rosin. He
swears that he did nothing that was below board and
that this was an overreaction from an over eager umpiring crew.
Where do you fall on this, like, because there are
certain people who are annoyed by the pitch clock and

(02:22:54):
the changes to baseball with the banning of the shift
and all those other things, because they say, this isn't
pure baseball.

Speaker 2 (02:23:00):
And now you have this rule that is going to
have one of the most brilliant pitchers have a game
for two starts this season. What can baseball do to
fix this or does it need fixing?

Speaker 1 (02:23:10):
In your opinion, Well, Rich, I don't.

Speaker 5 (02:23:13):
Know that we really have to have a dramatic change
to the way the rules are written now in the
enforcement of them. I think that the issue. I guess
I'll back up and say this, it is both possible
that Max did not intend to have a substance on

(02:23:34):
his hand or to accrue that amount of rosin on
his hand. And it's also possible that by the end
of whatever was going on with the rosin and the
substances or however he tried to clean his hands, if
he used alcohol, whatever it was that was, that that
resulted in a unfair advantage to Max. And so both

(02:23:59):
those things can be true. It could have been unintentional,
and it also could have reached the point where it
was an unfair advantage. And if again, if rubbing alcohol
would have been used at the recommendation of anyone there
or his own discretion, that that part is a little
unclear to me. But I've spoken with experts in the
field who say that if you combine rosin with a

(02:24:22):
rubbing alcohol and try to use that as a method
of cleaning your hands, that it's actually going to do
the opposite, and it's going to clump up and become
something that is really sticky and almost solid inconsistency. And
if that happened, obviously, at the end of the day,
you're responsible as a picture for whatever you're bringing out

(02:24:42):
to the mound, and whatever's on your person and if,
in the opinion of the umpiring crew isn't said in
the statement, it resulted in a sticky level of substance
the likes of which they had never seen before in
the enforcement period. That's a hard thing for Max to overcome.
And obviously he is not going to appeal the suspension

(02:25:03):
any longer. He's he's decided to accept it. I think
it's a very high profile case and reminder to to
all pictures about the need to be familiar with the
rosin that you're using anything else that's on your hands,
whether it's legal or otherwise, and to understand what you're

(02:25:24):
bringing out to the mount and the responsibility to make
sure that whatever you have on your person that it
is a legal level of rosin. And there in fact,
the MLB rules stipulate that if you combine rosin with
some other substance, it could constitute a violation if it
results in a in a very thick and very solid,

(02:25:46):
seeming sticky substance. So it's obviously a very unique part
of the game. But at the end of the day,
they're the enforcement is there for a reason. The the
idea of a level playing field is there for a reason,
and I'll add finally that I don't think this will

(02:26:06):
for me as a as a Hall of Fame voter.
It's not going to change how I look at Max
as his career. I'm not going to sort of dock
him points in my own mind for his overall career
based on this moment. But at the end of the day,
he violated what you're supposed to have on your hands
based on the stickiness of it, and he's serving a
penalty right now.

Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
Tater Chater. I was at that game, believe it or not.
I was at that game. I went with a buddy
of mine day game out of Dodgers Stadium. Saw the
argument on the first baseline, JP, we have run out
of time. We could go literally all day, all night.
Do not leave us hanging for another month. We need
to talk to you a as.

Speaker 5 (02:26:45):
That's great. I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (02:26:46):
Guys.

Speaker 5 (02:26:47):
We will do it again very soon, and then when
we next talk, we'll have even more great hockey conversation.
Yeah as well, so hockey and baseball this time here,
my friends always look forward to it.

Speaker 1 (02:26:56):
You're the best. Thanks JP. We'll talk to you next time.
That's John Paul Morosire, our Fox Sports Radio MLB inside
of Mister Hockey as well. Let's find out what it's
trending as we welcome back Monsey once again. I don't
know what do you think? I mean he got caught right?

Speaker 3 (02:27:13):
Do you think he was cheating? I don't know what.
I don't know. I want to believe him.

Speaker 1 (02:27:18):
Was it not? Is any tainted? You know? The one
one follow I was going to ask if even the
Fernando Tatis Junior story is so unique because we never
had a player that young so early, and it's Greg
get busted for peds. If he goes on to have
three thousand hits five hundred home runs, is he had
no chance of ever being in the Hall of Fame
as it stands right now with the current cast of

(02:27:41):
characters voting for Baseball Hall of Fame, No answer is no, No,
he yeero chance to make it no matter what he does.

Speaker 4 (02:27:48):
For real, he's one of the few players that has
hit a home run out of Dodger Stadium.

Speaker 3 (02:27:53):
Yes, And so now you know when I if.

Speaker 4 (02:27:55):
I'm giving a tour and I mentioned that, I'm like, well,
we all know why he's one of them, because.

Speaker 3 (02:28:00):
You can't not mention it. Yeah, he hit that before
we found out about the stare.

Speaker 4 (02:28:05):
It's like, I feel like it's just always going to
be part of his story.

Speaker 3 (02:28:09):
It is, and that's what sucks.

Speaker 1 (02:28:11):
The unfortunate reality is, like you said, it's a legacy
defining moment, and it happened to him when he was
twenty three years ever, Yeah that young. I mean Ryan
Brown got busted after a couple of eight years. That
tainted his career when it looked like he was on
a trajectory to go to the Hall of Fame. All
players can play until they're forty. I mean, like imagine,

(02:28:32):
like we're talking about Fernando Tatist junior, seventeen years after
a positive three thousand hits five hundred, I'll still be
playing and it'll I know it. It will still come
up in conversation. I'm believed.

Speaker 3 (02:28:45):
Yeah, and shures there is probably going to come up
in conversations.

Speaker 4 (02:28:48):
But I don't think it has tainted what he has
done well.

Speaker 1 (02:28:52):
Now with John Palmer Rose. Yeah, some others might say.

Speaker 4 (02:28:54):
Maybe maybe, But if that substance and sweat really does,
or that powder and the sweat really does make you sticky,
I don't know, but if it does make you sticky,
then you can't.

Speaker 3 (02:29:05):
I mean, if that's what it is, and that's what
it is.

Speaker 2 (02:29:07):
Well, yeah, the conversation is circulating around the fact that, Okay,
if it was just his sweat and rosin right, well
that's one thing. But if it was something else, you know,
purelle or something or sunscreen.

Speaker 1 (02:29:20):
Said it was beyond that way beyond.

Speaker 4 (02:29:23):
But also it took him three innings to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (02:29:25):
Didn't he like keep checking.

Speaker 1 (02:29:26):
Well, they kept asking him to change his Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (02:29:28):
Then he said he washed his hands and all that
in front of them. So I'm just like if and.

Speaker 1 (02:29:32):
Every time they checked him it was sticky er. Yes, yeah,
I was right, it was going in the long direction.

Speaker 4 (02:29:39):
Oh well, guys, we do have Game four right now
between the Kings and Golden State, and the Kings have
taken the lead. They are up sixty to fifty two
with three minutes to go in the first half. D
Aaron Fox ended the first quarter with a three pointer
and has kind of just carried on.

Speaker 3 (02:29:55):
He's eight or fourteen from the field.

Speaker 4 (02:29:56):
He has nineteen points, four rebounds for uses.

Speaker 3 (02:30:00):
He leads all scores.

Speaker 4 (02:30:01):
Steph Curry nine points, Jordan Pool twelve points for the Warriors,
but the Warriors are currently down by seven and Sacramento.

Speaker 3 (02:30:07):
Leads this series two to one.

Speaker 4 (02:30:09):
It's the Knicks who now lead the series over the
Cavaliers three to one. They beat them in Game four
one o two to ninety three. Jalen Brunson led the
way with twenty nine points. He had five three pointers,
six rebounds, and six assists in the victory. On the ice,
the team that is expected to win the Stanley Cup,
the Bruins are currently beating the Panthers one zero after
the first period, but the Hurricanes did beat the Islanders

(02:30:30):
five to two in their Game four and now they
lead that series three to one. In Major League Baseball,
Max Munsey has hit his major league leading eleventh homer
and the Dodgers are beating the Cubs seven to three
in Chicago. Bottom of the ninth inning is about to start.
The Red Sox and the Brewers were tied, but not anymore.
Red Sox are on top five to four. Top of
the eighth inning. They are playing in Milwaukee. Royals and

(02:30:53):
Angels are tied at one apiece. Top of the third inning.
The Yankees lost in the Bronx to the Blue Jays
five to one, and the Rays they're still doing well
for one against the White Sox twenty two straight games
with the home run.

Speaker 3 (02:31:06):
But it's the hot Pirates. The Pirates won seven.

Speaker 1 (02:31:09):
In a row.

Speaker 3 (02:31:09):
I didn't think I was ever gonna say that seven
in a row. They beat the Reds to zero. Guys,
it's been fun back.

Speaker 1 (02:31:14):
To you month. See. I'm just so glad that you're
gonna get that eggplant.

Speaker 3 (02:31:19):
Oh me too, specially do we.

Speaker 4 (02:31:21):
Have an actual date gonna I'm gonna let the chef decide.

Speaker 1 (02:31:24):
Yeah, I'll bring her the eggplant at some point. Yeah,
I don't know, maybe next weekend, maybe the weekend after,
but at some point it will be delivered. And we
need to have video evidence of the flamethrower.

Speaker 3 (02:31:36):
Oh yes, yes, or happen.

Speaker 1 (02:31:38):
You've never done that with an egg plant before. I
would imagine you have to have a couple of trials
on that one. This is yeah, we're absolutely gonna have to.

Speaker 2 (02:31:46):
Yeah, it's gonna be quite sure, how well, and you
know what, practice makes perfect, right, And the.

Speaker 4 (02:31:50):
Good thing is with eggplaning, you it's better to almost
overcook it or else it's gonna be slimy.

Speaker 3 (02:31:54):
Yeah, exactly, So really we can't go wrong here.

Speaker 1 (02:31:57):
Very good. I can't wait. I can't wait, all right,
mon see, thank you so much. By the way, watching
Sacramento right now. They put up sixty two with two
minutes to go in the first half, and Daron Fox
is all that. By the way, Mike Brown was the
first coach ever and they've had the NBA Coach of
the Awards since nineteen sixty three to be unanimous. There's

(02:32:19):
never been a unanimous one hundred votes. He got all
one hundred first place votes and for good reason, what
Mike Brown has done. And think about Mike Brown right
he was the coach of the Calves the first time
that Lebron was with the Cavs. When he exited to
go to Miami, he was the Lakers coach for a while.
I covered the Lakers quite a bit during the Mike
Brown are a great guy. And then he went to

(02:32:40):
Golden State sort of sat on the bench with Steve
Kerve for a lot of years. Who wanted that Sacramento job,
like nobody, but Mike Brown said no. I got Daron Fox,
I got Sabonis, we got some tools to work around,
and right now they have a six point lead on
the road against the Warriors. Tell you what if Sacramento
wins this game, this series is over. Yeah, this is

(02:33:02):
gonna be Game five, will be back in Sacramento. Yeah,
that place will be out of their minds. This is
gonna be an inert completely. I'm an undeniable team at
that point in Sacramento. But yeah, Warriors, you could tell
they're pressing. Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:33:19):
Draymond came off the bench following the suspension for the
flagrant two against the Bonus. He's on the court. You
got obviously a healthy enough Golden State Warriors team that
they can't make the excuse, Hey, you know, we just
we didn't have enough for this or no. I mean,

(02:33:40):
if they get beat by the Kings, it's because the
Kings were better. It's because they were better prepared, or
wanted it more, whatever the circumstances may be. This it's
it's kind of amazing what they've been able to pull off.
And yeah, you got to give credit where credits due.
Coaching doesn't often matter in the NBA. A lot of
it's star driven, but in this case, it's undeniable. You

(02:34:02):
have to give Mike Brown a tremendous amount of credit.

Speaker 1 (02:34:04):
One of his assistants Doug Christie, one of the most
notorious Kings back in the day that was one of
the most forgotten if you don't remember. The Lakers Kings
rivalry in the early two thousands was as intense for
short period as any rivalry in NBA history. All Right,
some thoughts about the week ahead, Some final thoughts as
to get ready for the NFL Draft. This is Fox

(02:34:26):
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This is Fox Sports and they live from the tire
Rack dot Com studios. Very emotional day all around. Sam,
is this how many more shows will you actually do

(02:35:09):
from this studio?

Speaker 8 (02:35:11):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:35:12):
They will continue If I'm not asking you about I'm
talking about you. I will do two thirds of one
more show coming up next. That's it, and then that
is it. Yes, and then I'm I'm back here.

Speaker 9 (02:35:26):
I'm probably gonna do a little rehearsal in the new
studio on Tuesday because we have a big day on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (02:35:30):
I was going to say, so it'll start with Doug
GOTTLEIEB Show on Tuesday, shadowing John Ramos. Yeah, yeah, well
the master himself. Yes, great stuff is always Sam and
of course montsee today she finally is going to get
that egg plant was outstanding at least? Yes, yep, Yeah,
you're welcome, thank you. It wouldn't be unbelievable if like

(02:35:53):
Kawhi shows up for game five dominates, they win that game,
come back, and then.

Speaker 3 (02:35:57):
He wins out and then he gets hurting on or something.

Speaker 1 (02:36:00):
How about this, how about he comes back, they win
game five, comeback, win game six, and then he decides
I can't play game set.

Speaker 3 (02:36:06):
I would lose it.

Speaker 1 (02:36:07):
I mean it's basically when happening games one and two. Yeah, right,
just like outstanding outs, I could play two games in
a row, but not three.

Speaker 3 (02:36:15):
I would use it. I would absolutely use it.

Speaker 1 (02:36:17):
That would be that would be unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (02:36:19):
I mean, look at poor Stephen A on the on
the television right now. He looks like he's aging right
in front of our eyes. Can't believe he had that
emotional rant about Kawhi Leonard. He couldn't he couldn't believe
what he was seeing.

Speaker 1 (02:36:31):
Kings leading the Warriors by four at the half, sixty
nine points for the Kings. Where's that Warriors defense? Bo
Cars are brilliant producer and bo We got the NFL
Draft coming up on Thursday. And as the Eagles remember,
this was a weird trade they had with the Saints
last year where they traded a bunch of picks and
it turns out all of dust settles. They have the

(02:36:53):
tenth pick in the draft. So I want bow, I
want your prediction on your Eagles who they will select
tenth overall in this twenty twenty three NFL Draft.

Speaker 8 (02:37:03):
Can I Can they trade it? Or do I have
to say they're.

Speaker 1 (02:37:06):
Gonna know it? If you think they'll get so.

Speaker 8 (02:37:09):
I think there's three things that will happen. Of of
those three, uh, they're either going to move up if
Jalen Carter falls past Seattle at five. All right, I
think they'll move up to get Jalen Carter. They'll move down.
If like a quarterback falls, they'll move down and they'll
pick up Jon Robinson if he's available in the middle
of the first uh and if they stay If they

(02:37:30):
stay there, I think they're going to take uh Smith
and Jigba if he is still there at ten.

Speaker 1 (02:37:37):
Yeah, why not just get another weapon? Although he didn't
play last year, really.

Speaker 8 (02:37:41):
Did Yeah, he was pretty much I think he played
one game last year, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:37:44):
The Rose Bowl of rose Balls. What were his numbers
A rose I was like, its ridiculous rose a couple
of years ago, insane. That would be a good pick.
I mean, now that you made this kind of investment
in your quarterback Jalen Hurts, surrounding him with as many
new weapons as possible makes a lot of sense. I mean,
imagine another wide receiver added to the duol they already have.

(02:38:07):
I think they're going to trade down. I mean, when
you're a team, I think a lot of teams are
looking to track.

Speaker 8 (02:38:11):
I think that's the most likely scenarios that they're going
to move down.

Speaker 2 (02:38:14):
Yeah, because when your team Mike Philly, where you have
so much talent all over that roster and there isn't
one like outstanding position where they really really need help.
You have the luxury of being able to pick later
in the first round still get great value because how
many talented players at just lesser valuable positions aren't selected

(02:38:37):
where they're taken in the second round, for example, and
they easily should have or could have been first rounders
if there was a run on that position and you
get to take best available. You know, so say they
trade down to I don't know who has it but
the twenty third pick, or they trade down and they're
picking close to last in the first round, You'll still
get a high value acquisition. And then increase the number

(02:38:59):
of times you get you know, your your your team
name called, and have an opportunity to bring in a
bunch of drafted rookies and see who can play.

Speaker 1 (02:39:08):
I think I think that's the best method for teams
like like Philadelphia right now. I the team that I'm
very curious about is the Colts at number four. I
think I think the Texans will not take a quarterback.
I know the Cardinals. Aren't the Colt's gonna take Stroud.
Are they gonna go in a direction? And if CJ.
Straw gets past four because Seattle's not I don't They're

(02:39:30):
not gonna take a quarterback. I don't think the Lions
are either. It'll be interesting to see how that all
works out. What are you gonna do on Draft Day?
What's your what's your game plan? Chicken wings? Chicken wings
sounds good. You better get that egg plant rolling as
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