Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk NBA Playoffs and more!

Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk about last night’s NBA playoff action, James Harden’s struggles, Devin Booker’s big night, the Bucks firing Mike Budenholzer after their early playoff exit, the Alabama baseball gambling scandal, QB rankings across the NFL, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't listening sports.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
What's going on everybody?

Speaker 3 (00:05):
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How does the voice sound?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Huh? Just break it down?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (00:35):
But yeah, swall frog with what's going on?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Every now and then on a Saturday, I try to
eat frog legs and it goes down the wrong pipe
and here we are.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
You know you sound gorgeous to me. Yeah, I'm still
enamored by the sweet dulcin tones.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
I appreciate that really honestly, feel good, not like a
gravel road at all. That's great.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, one of.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Those country back round.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I always liked the dude with the baritone voice and
boys to men. You know, maybe I could I could
lost today?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Classic? Yeah, yeah, great, great, song right there.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Okay, So Devin Booker was awesome last night for the Suns.
James Harden, the Beard not so much for the seventy
six ers. How about Booker forty seven points. He was
twenty of twenty five from the field. It sprinkled in
six rebounds and nine assists. Just you know, yeah, throw

(01:36):
it in there. Uh, the Sun's got to win. Denver
still leads the series to one, but Booker was fantastic.
James Harden struggled. He was three for fourteen from the field,
only scored sixteen points in the previous game. Game two,
he was two for fourteen from the field. So the
last two games James Harden has really really struggled. I'm

(01:59):
just throwing stats at you all over the place. Eighteen
percent from the field the last two games for the Beard.
Not what you want to see right here as Philly
they go down to one in the series as Boston
won last night.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean what we're talking about
is the difference between an emerging star and a falling star.
You know, James Harden, this isn't twenty fifteen's postseason, you
know what I mean? Like, if we rewound the clock
I mean, there were very few guys in the NBA

(02:36):
who I mean I remember that season or seasons around
that season, you know, in the middle of the teams
here where James Harden was one of the most devastating
guards to play against, because when he elevated to hit
a three, he was fouled like fifty percent of the time.
I mean, like the guy he just figured out a

(02:59):
cheap code like. I mean, that's that's the type of
player he is. He was, or I should say he was.
He was this incredible offensive threat that that team that
he played for, the Rockets, I mean, they were part
of this new era of the NBA that has created
the perimeter shot, and everybody kind of was frustrated with it.

(03:23):
Houston was that that they were that team. Well, it's
all different now. I mean, obviously he's been on two teams.
Since he's been he's been called a lot of different things.
I think in this situation, in this iteration of his
career with the Sixers, he's now being referred to as
a veteran leader. Uh And in Game one it looked

(03:43):
exactly like that. But Devin Booker, this is this is
what we the things that we're saying about Devin Booker, Now,
we were saying about James Harden seven years ago, eight
years ago. But this is what it looks like. You know,
when when you start to age in this game, you
know you can't be relied on consistently in the postseason.

(04:04):
Booker's he's that guy. Now, he's He's going to be
that guy for a long time. He's going to be
a problem for opponents facing the Suns, and it's fun
to watch. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Definitely a bit of a situational discrepancy between those two games.
Last night, right Philly had already stolen a game in Boston,
they were coming back home and Beid was getting the
MVP Award.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Everyone was emotional.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
And it was all business for Phoenix because they were
down two to zero in the series. So I do
think as much as last night really showed, and I
agree with your your take completely, Rich, I think you know,
Devin Booker's got seven years to the junior on James Harden,
and in the NBA, that's the difference between being in
your prime and being slightly past your prime. I'm sure

(04:51):
James would dispute that, but the numbers say he's been
a little inconsistent this year, But I really think last
night those two games very much played out the way
the situations called for. Boston needed to steal a game
in Philly, they did. Phoenix had to win last night
or the series was over. They did, right. We Like

(05:12):
a lot of times those situations are baked into the narratives,
they're baked into the betting lines, but last night they
played out pretty much exactly as the narratives kind of speak.
And again, Boston had to win a game in Philly
in order to keep the series alive. Phoenix had to
win last night to keep any hope of winning this
series alive. I still think Denver wins the series, but
it really was do or die kind of not really

(05:35):
for Boston but definitely for Phoenix, and both teams kind
of delivered. I give Boston's defensive mindset a lot of
credit to anytime you get a situation where you're on
the road and you're dealing with a team that is
hungry like Philly is, and they shut them down. They
played great defensively in the fourth quarter, and they were
able to win that game and win it pretty handily.

(05:55):
And I do think Boston's the better team in that series.
I think Denver's the better team top to bottom two
in the series, and I think over the long haul,
those two teams will both likely advance.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Man it's a crazy stat with Harden. So Harden, he
now has ten career playoff games in which he shot
less than twenty percent from the field on ten or
more attempts, and that's the most since the shot clock
was introduced in nineteen fifty four to fifty five. Now

(06:25):
that what's crazy as last night to it, he almost
had his eleventh shooting three for fourteen.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
He was twenty one.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Percent, so he barely barely missed out on another notch
on a belt that you want no part of right there.
So it was a rough night for him last night,
and obviously a rougher Game two on the heels of
being electric in Game one, no embiid on the road,
he goes for forty five, he has the game winning
three in the final seconds. So it's crazy how much

(06:55):
of a difference there has been with James Harden. And
the other thing is this, you talk about doing some
good off the court. Have you heard this story? So
there was a guy named John Howe. He's a student
at Michigan State. He was one of the people who
was shot when they had that terrible shooting deal a

(07:17):
couple of weeks ago, and he was paralyzed from the
chest down. And so what James Harden did He got
him some game worn shoes. He facetimed the kid. He
said that when he's healthy enough, he'll get him to
a game. Well, that kid has been he's been discharged
from the hospital. He's going to be there for Game
four in Philly on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Wow, And it's like wow.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
You know, it puts things in perspective. But I mean, listen,
in just the category of sports, he's got to be better.
And there's nothing wrong with saying he's got to be better.
It doesn't have to be uncivilized and dirty to just
go at the guy's throat and call him every name
under the sun.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
But he's got to be better. He'd be the first
to tell you that.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
But him doing something that's very, very thoughtful and humanly
kind that puts things in perspective when some people might
have the urge to go way further than they should
with calling him out.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Well, yeah, I mean, just because he's an aging star
doesn't mean that you have to make it personal. I mean,
James Harden could be a great person and he could
be a fading talent in the NBA in terms of
the expectations we place on him. You know, there are
certain players who they're gonna stay too long at the party.

(08:35):
You know, they're they're not gonna want to be a
bench role player, so they're gonna go team to team
to team, and they'll probably play for descendingly worse and
worse teams. You know, Harden's still in that camp where
you're gonna find teams two are gonna want him in
their starting five because of his presence, because of the
games that he's played in in years past, because of

(08:58):
how he can teach and how he can motivate, and
then also how he can play some nights. You just
mentioned in game one, he looked outrageous, but these past
two games, it's just really faltered. And the other thing
I'll say is, look, Steph Curry can have a two
game stretch like this, Klay Thompson can have a two
game stretch like this. Lebron James can have a two

(09:18):
game stretch like this. I mean, really, I threw Lebron's
name in there just for star powers sake. But really,
what I'm trying to say is with the Clay and
the Steph comparison, shooter or shoot, you know, I mean,
James Harden's a shooter. If you go ice cold over
a two game stretch, is a good timing that it's

(09:39):
in the Eastern Conference semifinals. No, but it's gonna happen occasionally.
And he just went ice cold these past two games.
Like you said, maybe with a little off the court motivation.
He's got this kid who's clearly made some commitments with
showing up for Game four. Maybe that helps, you know,
maybe there's something bigger than the game that he can

(10:01):
take his concentration off and play a little bit looser
as a result. But yeah, he's just been ice cold
these past two games.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
I love that angle, and I hope that there's because listen,
I think what we all want, is basketball fans, is
for this series to be a deep, long series and
for us to really get the entertainment value out of it,
because I think the last two games have been kind
of laughers, especially Game two, and you know, last night
there were moments where it was close.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
First half, it was close.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
And then you know, Philly took a lead a little
bit in the in the third quarter and then kind
of pulling the Boston kind of came back and then
pulled away in the fourth. And still you know, James
had eleven assists last night. I mean, if I played
in an NBA game and had eleven assists, I would
feel still pretty good about my performance. I know the
expectations are higher for James and sixteen points and he
didn't shoot it well, and I yeah, shoot or shoot

(10:54):
right like he can't. This isn't the time for self
reflection or self abandonment, Like, this is the time to
get back in the gym and keep shooting, because the
more you shoot, the better chance you have that you're
gonna break out of this slump. Philly is still a
very talented team. They have a great bench. I think
there's a lot of upside to their roster. I just

(11:16):
think Boston's better. And I've I thought it was Boston
and Milwaukee the whole way, and Milwaukee apparently had other ideas.
And now we get this bizarro you know bracket in
the East where we're gonna get either New York or Miami.
That's gonna be playing in the Eastern Conference finals. But
I think at the end of the day, I still
would be surprised if it's not Boston in the finals,

(11:36):
just like it was last year, because they have the
same team. In fact, I think they're better with Malcolm Brogden,
and he proved it again last night. And as much
as I think Philly has the goods to make it
to the finals because of their top two players, I
just think they're facing a team that's a little more
polished and now they've got home court back because Boston

(11:57):
outplayed him in the fourth quarter last night.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
It's funny too, because guys, Doc Rivers, the Sixers head coach,
he allowed James Harden to pull a Dennis Rodman. He
allowed Harden to go to Vegas to just blow off
some steam before this series against the Celtics began.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
And it's it's funny because.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I don't think, yeah, it's not what Doc said, because
he said when Harden asked him to go to Vegas
before the Boston series, Rivers said, I was like, so,
what do it? Dennis Rodman went to Vegas and so
I loved that quote. It's like, yeah, Rodman did it,
So yeah, have fun Vegas or whatever. I convictured Doc

(12:35):
saying something like that, But uh, you know Rodman, Rodman,
Harden went crazy in Game one, and it's like, hey,
you know, maybe Vegas helped out. And now after Games
two and three, it's like, man, maybe Vegas has taken
it toll.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's just funny.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
I'm the perspective completely after a few days, right, Vegas
takes its toll.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
That's usually what happened.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
What's amazing about that is like, yeah, you could probably
only have one coach actually, now maybe a handful of
coaches comfortable with doing this these days in the NBA.
Can you imagine like if you're a you're a young
coach and you have a player who's maybe getting near
your own age, like on your team, Sadie, I gotta

(13:15):
go to Vegas before this series. I mean, you're probably
not talking to the media about it, you know what
I mean, You're probably not that comfortable in your own skin.
But Doc, I mean, look, if there's one knock on Doc,
it's he's had some spectacular flameouts from really talented teams
in the postseason, so he is going to be ridiculed

(13:37):
equally for James Harden's poor play in this series if
that ends up being an X factor here and it
could be related to that decision, Do I think that's fair? No,
I don't because I don't think it's going to be
the reason that the Sixers win or lose this series.
But I do know that narratives get attached, and that
could be a narrative that gets attached to this postseason.

(13:59):
Oh wow, Well, looks like the Sixers just didn't take
it seriously enough. They ran it to Boston, who were
really battening down the hatches, and they got the win
because it meant more to them. It's just the way
the world's gonna look at it. I don't I think
that stuff like that is fine. You know your players,
you know what they their needs are, you know what

(14:19):
their personalities, and you're really managing personalities in the NBA.
You're not doing a ton of coaching. I'm cool with it.
I'm very cool with it.

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A little bit of breaking horse racing news for you guys.

(16:09):
Kentucky Derby favorite Forte scratched from the Derby Today horse
Wow scratched.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Is it too late, Jared to get another horse in there?

Speaker 3 (16:20):
I know there have been three horses that were on
the standby list, kind of like if you're waiting to
get on the flight, you know, too late for another
one to take.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
I'm glad I'm not at the stay. I hate the
airport enough as it is. I'm glad I'm not at
the horse standby parts section of the of the terminal too.
But so I'll be honest, and you know me, gambling guru,
horse racing is not my strongest of the of the
sports that I cover. I will do some digging though,
and at some point during the show I will find

(16:50):
out my guess is yes.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
But also we're really late in the process here.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
It'd be one thing if a horse usually they have
workouts during the week and they know how the horse
is feeling by Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Wednesday. Thursday, the race is in like eight hours, So
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
If they're gonna be able to get someone there in
time that's fully healthy and ready to ready to ride.
But I would guess there is some sort of a
standby list.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yes, I will guess that.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, it's crazy because hey, we know the deal. There
have been four horses this week that have died, and
so here's anything.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
There's a lot of controversy about that this week too.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
But if there's anything even minorly wrong with the betting
favorite Fortape, they're just gonna play it safe. They're gonna
be like, let's let's not even to go down that road,
because it's it's not only bad for them, it'd be
bad for the sport in general. Like you have to
be extra cautious at this point.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Well, yeah, I mean there are so many, so many
negatives attached to horse racing now with social media. You
know a lot of these stories when it was just
print media covering the sport like they're and I'm not
gonna say people lie, but if there were things that
you could sort of keep away from the light of
day or space out some of the more newsworthy moments

(18:08):
when it was attached to death or injuries of horses,
they would do that, But you can anymore. You can't
keep anything too quiet, especially major things. So you've got
to be real careful how you handle situations like this,
especially considering the week that you've had. Horse racing is
only popular a couple of times three times specifically a year,

(18:30):
and if you create controversy or more controversy the week
or the weekend of one of your biggest days of
the year, you're digging your own grave in terms of
the popularity of the sport and the fact that it
still exists today. Considering how sensitive people are around a
lot of topics involving animals, it's shocking to me. So, yeah,

(18:52):
I agree with you. I think they're gonna have to
I think they're gonna have to find a way to
get through this with creating as little controversy as possible.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, I've got so. I have boots on the ground there.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
One of my close gambling friends is actually the head
odds maker at Twin Spires, which you know runs Churchill Downs.
He actually texted me about twenty minutes ago and he
sent me he was prognosticating that there was going to
be another scratch this week with Forte because of some stuff.
And he just texted me back he said, too late
for an addition. Eighteen in the field now, So that's

(19:24):
going to be the final word from it. Again the
Twin Spires head odds maker. So if you can believe him,
he's the guy that's there boots on the ground at
Churchill Downs this week. Even though this still is a
difficult piece of news, I'm still very excited about the
race today and I'll be locked in the whole day.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Have you been there, Jared, No, it's on the list.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
So that and Augusta are the two bucket.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
Lists that are like at the top Churchill Downs and
Augusta National for the Masters, those are to me. To me,
those are like pinnacle sporting bucket list events that need
to be attended and unfortun they have not yet.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Have you guys been.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
No, No, like a road.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
You would have been, brih. Yeah, it's proximity down there.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Huh yeah, not too far away. Yeah I should It's
one of those events.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Car, But come on, let me do the show on
the road. Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I will see that I have. We'll throw our comrexes
into the back.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Of the cars.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah yeah, Oh, that would be a heck of a
place to do it would be that would be awesome.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
That sounds like a live remote next year.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Boys, if you guys.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Are listening there on the Fox Sports Radio Ownership group,
you know what to do.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Oh, that'd be a lot of fun. The Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
I'm a moron because it's one of those sporting events
where I just I never pay attention to where it
is on the calendar in the year pops up from me.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
I am I. I love horse racing, but I refuse
to look at odds ahead of picking horses because it's brutal, oh.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Per mutual stuff.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Now, there's certain sports books that get you fixed odds,
but not legal right America.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
That's the weird thing is. I don't know if it
differs online. I haven't done a whole lot of online
horse race bets. But when you're at the track. I
used to go to Saratoga. It's sort of the unofficial
fourth leg of the Triple Crowd. At least that's what
the Lears have, right yeah, yeah, that's what the locals think.
But Saratoga and you know, upstate New York, we would

(21:21):
do shows there on Fridays, and I'm like, well, I'm here,
might as well start betting on the ponies, you know.
But you would bet, say on a horse that's five
to one, and depending on how everybody else betted, it fluctuates,
so you'd see on the board, even though you locked
it in at five to one, the odds could be longer,
and all of a sudden, it's eight to one. It's
a bigger payout, or they shortened. It's like, I got

(21:44):
it at two to one, Now I.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Bet it at five to one.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
What's up with that?

Speaker 2 (21:47):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, I just refuse to look at it. Like people
would be like, all right, so what does your parlay
look like. I'd be like, well, I've got the seventeen horse,
the four horse, and the two horse. Why because those
were the numbers that I chose.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Let's be honest. What's better than the horse? Horses names?

Speaker 5 (22:09):
I think that's my favorite part of the nostalgia, like
the pomp and circumstance involved, like just the names of
the horses.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Just oh yeah, well, I mean you could you could
one of the funnest games to play in the stands
is you you test?

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (22:24):
You test your friends? Is it a horse name or
a porn star? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, yeah, all right, guy, shout out to Jonas Knox.
You know, so it does does does he do that?
He does pro wrestler or porn star words? Similarly?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I think it's kind of been the same.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, absolutely, I love it. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Uh, let's get to our our good friend, Isaac low
and Crown. I guess speaking of loving it, you know,
but he's more than an it. He has a breath
of fresh air and he is a human being.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I love what's going on, buddy.

Speaker 10 (22:59):
Glad we we finally cleared that up and you're well
scared about that for a while. Welcome to the Animal
Kingdom version of What's trending? Uh, both at the start
and at the end. We start, of course, with the
breaking news that Kentucky Derby favorite Forte has been scratched
from the race. Forte was set to go off the

(23:19):
three to one odds. The decision to scratch him was
made after a workout this morning. Again, Kentucky Derby favorite
Forte has been scratched in Game three of the NBA's
Western Conference Semi Finals on Friday night, Devin Booker dropped
forty seven as his Phoenix Suns defeat at Denver one
twenty one to one fourteen. Denver still leads the series
two games to one. Booker was twenty out of twenty

(23:41):
five from the field, Kevin Durant adding thirty nine points,
nine rebounds, and eight assists. He was fourteen of sixteen
from the free throw line. Earlier, in Game three of
the Eastern Conference semi Finals, Boston went in Philadelphia one
fourteen to one to two. Boston takes the two games
to one lead. They got twenty seven from Jason Tatum
and a losing cause. James Harden was just three for

(24:02):
fourteen from the field. And the Stanley Cup Playoffs Friday night,
in Game two of the Eastern Conference semi Finals. There,
the Carolina Hurricanes defeated the New Jersey Devil six to
one for a two games to none lead. Baseball Friday night,
Fernando Tatis junior homer twice off of Clayton Kershaw and
the Padres five to win over the Dodgers. The Angels
rallied from four to nothing down going up to the

(24:23):
bottom of the eighth inning for a five to four
victory over the Texas Rangers.

Speaker 9 (24:27):
In ten innings.

Speaker 10 (24:29):
Finally fellas During warmups of a professional rugby match in
France on Friday, a bull got loose on the field
of the stadium.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Very tame bowl. What was up with that?

Speaker 1 (24:45):
All?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Over there?

Speaker 10 (24:46):
It sent macho rugby players from both teams sprinting away
and jumping into the safety of the stands. If you're
wonder to go about the background. The ball, along with
four of its friends, was supposed to be part of
a pregame ceremony quote to honor local livestock.

Speaker 9 (25:04):
Unquote. Okay, and here's here's what I don't get.

Speaker 10 (25:10):
The pregame ceremony cheap honor local livestock was sponsored by
a nearby meat processing plant that was run by the
owner of the home team. The bulleventually slowed down, was
brought back under control by its handlers. So it's nice
that they're having a ceremony, but it's really weird that
it would be sponsored by a meat processing plant.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
I'm just saying, next rum rugby match, they're gonna have
a hamburger eating contest and be like where did this
hamburger almost hamburger.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Sponsored by a very nice ball. I'm used to bulls
just causing Pamplona, Yeah, Pamplona. He was going up to
people almost wanted to be petted, you know, like that
was a very tame bowl, very nice call him Ribbi. Yeah,
that's a Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio.

(26:04):
We will get to uh in about fifteen minutes. We'll
get to the rookie qbs and who starts when. But
there are a couple of things that I think are
just funny and we'll throw it into the show right here,
our producer Bo Benson. This is just a running joke
where he's a Laker fan, and so he pushes back
on the thought from most of the national media that

(26:26):
Anthony Davis is the only star player who gets hurt.
You know what I mean, Like anytime, oh, Jimmy Butler's
out for Game two, I thought Anthony Davis was the
only star player who gets hurt. You know, he'll say
something like that. Now he's incorporated horse racing. He told
me when Forte was scratched, he was like, Anthony Davis
is still playing, you know, like.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Man for the horses.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
Now, yeah, we're is that what this sporting world has
come to. Yeah, to make sure Fort is good for
the Belmont and the Preak. This guys, we gotta give
him a rest.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
We need him ready for the Lman. Yeah, he's already
in Long Island. He went ahead of the team.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
It's just so well played by our guy. Bo so
well played a couple other funny things here. So Draymond Green,
he was called out by his son and daughter. Listen
to this sound. This is tremendous.

Speaker 8 (27:20):
Anytime as a parent you can provide things for your
kids that you know they love, it's always an extra
added bonus in the centers and make you want to
do more of that, put more effort into being great.
And you know, last night I was in the gym.
He was here with me, all of was here with me,
and you know they love that, and so I think
it's you know, okay, and you know, it just pushes

(27:44):
you way harder knowing that they're watching every single thing
you do.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
He's like, yeah, we were at the gym last night,
and the son and daughter like, no, I wasn't. I
just think that's hilarious right there. They wouldn't go along
with the story. And the other funny story is I'm
sure you guys saw this the other day. Aaron Rodgers.
He was at a Knicks game with his teammate, Sauce Gardner.

(28:09):
Of course, Aaron Rodgers, quarterback now with the Jets. Sauce Gardner,
cornerback of the Jets, defensive rookie of the year. They
were there at Game two as the Knicks beat the
Miami Heat, and they bumped into Jessica Alba, who is
you know, famous, been an actress, you know, very well known.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Sauce didn't know her. Sas didn't know her.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
He was born in the two thousands, so Jessica Alba,
She tweeted, I totally see how this kid Sauce got
his name. He said to my girl Elizabeth, How can
I get caught up when I'm the catch? What a
line right there by Sauce and then Sauce he follows
it up. He tweets back at Jessica. Damn, it's been

(28:53):
two days and you still remember what I said?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Word for word. I just might be.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Him endlessly played by Sauce Gardner right there.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
You got to have the as a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, I don't know celebrity news like this.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, I don't know the man. The man is confident.
I think you could say that I love. I'll tell
you what. There are two positions, specifically on a football field,
where I want you to have the most confidence. And
it really are the two positions that that remind me
the most of basketball. And so these guys, their personalities

(29:29):
remind me the most of basketball players. It's corner and
it's wide receiver. Like I know, they get characterized as
divas a lot, but when you play with a super confident,
super talented wide receiver, there is nothing better than that,
especially when you know he is him, like when he's
the best.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
When I first joined the Patriots, Randy Moss was still
playing for the team, and I remember being so enamored
with not only the level of talent the guy still
had because I you know, I'm catching the tail the
dragon at the end of the ride, like I mean
the guy. You know, the guy was close to retirement then,
but he had just come off that ridiculous season where

(30:13):
him and Brady had had you know, tag team for
fifty touchdown but it was ridiculous, right, So I would
remember hearing the way he would talk to people at
practice and be like, oh my gosh, like not only
the incredible, but he had the funniest lines. I remember
he stopped practice one time because this rookie corner was

(30:35):
giving him like, you know, just John in his ear
because because he deflected a pass on its way to
Randy stopped a training camp practice, ran back and told Tom, Hey,
we're doing that play all over again, same exact route,
same play. Virtually everybody else on the field was kind
of just Patty Caken. While he was taking a full
speed rep against this corner, he goes blazing down the sideline,

(30:58):
looks over his inside shoulder one hand, grabs it with
his inside hand, never even reels in the ball, just
keeps it in the air. And this rookie corner got
an earful from the time they left the end zone
until they got back to the huddle. And I'm just like,
that is how it's done, Sauce Gardner. That's how it's done, buddy,

(31:19):
Keep that confidence, keep playing the way you are, and
he's gonna be a big time starr in this league
for a long time.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Agree.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Remember last year when they drafted Derek Stingley.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Before him, Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
What were the Texans thinking? Maybe they made the same
mistake this year with CJ. Stroud, right, Brian, I know,
could be a bad one. I just went through a
trip do memory lane with Jessica Alba's IMDb profile. Man
oh man, there's some classics here Camp nowhere was her
first ever credit. I don't know if you guys remember
that movie. That was a growing up staple for me.

(31:53):
And some of these were great.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
I see the Oscar for Cam.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Could it not be on the list?

Speaker 5 (31:59):
And then of course Beverly Hills nine to two one oh,
I mean she was she was big time there and
that was her big break, right, but was it?

Speaker 4 (32:06):
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
She was a little cameo on Beverly Hills nine to.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Two one oh oh wow.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
There are a couple of things I remember. Since City
she was, yes, since City.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Very a little more recently one hundred percent. And then
also Entourage I think was another classic Jessica Alba little
arc there, But no, I think was speaking of character
arcs right, like we're in the Aaron Rodgers like late
late stage career character arc now, and it does seem
like and this was always my concern going into this

(32:36):
new saga, the sequel or maybe trilogy of of Aaron's
career here in New York, was he going to absorb
the youthful exuberance of the Jets roster, because let's be honest,
outside of Aaron, there's a lot of really young talented
players that need that guidance. It does seem we're very early,
We're still in the honeymoon stage. It does seem right

(32:58):
now like he's accepted that role as the old grizzled
vet that is going to make fun of, you know,
yelling angry dad, yelling at the clouds kind of vibe,
but in a playful, jovial way. Right now, everything's hunky
dory and it's the honeymoon face. Still, it does seem
like he's taking on that role. If that continues, guys,
I think that makes the Jets exponentially more dangerous next year. Now,

(33:21):
we'll see if it continues. We'll see if when the
adversity strikes, it's inevitable it will strike. At some point,
they'll lose a couple games, they'll be a little tiff. Whatever,
does he continue to be that positive reinforcement person in
the locker room I hope so as a Jets fan,
I don't know based off of Aaron's track record if
that's gonna.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Be the case.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Hopefully he handles the New York Bright Lights well. So far,
it's been a lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I will see well.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
And the other thing is we always talk about Rogers,
especially last year, and what he had around him in
terms of offensive threats. Well, that's not the only way
to win games, you know, like what he has around
him in terms of defensive threats. Now with the Jets
to have Sauce Gardner, who some people say was not
only the best rookie cornerback last season, they've got him

(34:06):
as the best corner period in the NFL already. So
that's a big, big deal. And hey, Sauce doesn't lack confidence,
all right. He's got game and he's got confidence that
makes them even more dangerous. It's not like Deon Zander's
lacked confidence on or off the field. That actually helped
him more on the field. So I'm excited to see
what the Jets do this season. Should be a lot

(34:26):
of fun. Hey, we are running full steme ahead over here.
We've got rich Orenberger, Penn State all American Jared Smith
FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No. Coming up next is
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on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back in. It's Fox Sports
Saturday Live from the tire rack dot Com studios. Okay,

(34:49):
as we look to the rookie quarterbacks here in the NFL,
we've got three qbs in the top four picks. How
soon will they start? So, if we go with Bryce
Young number one overall pick with the Panthers, c J.
Stroud number two overall pick with the Texans, and Anthony
Richardson number four overall pick with the Colts, when did

(35:12):
they start? If we're prognosticating, I think that Bryce Young
and c J. Stroud will probably start in week one.
As far as Anthony Richardson the Colts quarterback, I don't
think he starts right away.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
They give it a little bit of time. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I'll say something like, without knowing the schedule, maybe like
week six or something like that. I think it'll be
a little bit later in the season. What do you
guys think as far as the rookie qbs go in
the first round?

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Yeah, you know, it really depends on the patience level
of ownership with the starting quarterbacks, Like, for example, I
think Carolina is a little bit closer to being a
complete team than either of the other two teams. You know. Well,
I guess the Colts are kind of in that conversation too,

(35:59):
you know. So I could see Andy Dalton and I
could see I could see Gardner Minshew respectively, with the
Panthers and the Colts getting some field time before they
want to bring in the rookies. But but if things
aren't going great with Dalton, if things aren't going great
with Minshew there in Indianapolis, I could see them getting
an early hook and ownership being like, Okay, let's sets

(36:20):
out the young buck because we actually have a pretty
decent team around him. Whereas in Houston, I think Stroud
has some time to learn, Like I think he actually has.
I think he has some time behind the scenes to
get this, to get this figured out at the NFL level,
unless their plan is, hey, let's get him as many

(36:41):
reps as early in his career as possible. But we've
seen how that's worked for certain Texans quarterbacks in the past,
you know, Yeah, David Carr specifically comes to mind. They
started him and they didn't have an offensive lineman. He
was sacked more than any other quarterback at NFL history
one of the seasons he played there, So you could

(37:02):
you could ruin a quarterback that way. But but if
I guess, it comes down to two things, patience that
the ownership has with the team and their success level
at that point, and how far along you are in
the rebuilding. Also, I guess throw into that, how ready
the quarterback is to take the field.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Yeah, I think I think Bryce Young's probably ready to start.
Of all the guys, I think Bryce is the most
ready to start. But Bryce is also in a situation
where he has, I guess, the best guy in front
of him with Andy Dalton, Right, I use that word
best very loosely, but when you compare them to Gardner
Minshew and and Davis Mills, I think it's fair to

(37:41):
put Dalton in front of those guys in terms of
his experience and maybe some of the the intangibles that
that Andy brings to the table a little bit. But
I think at the end of the day, I would
be surprised if all three guys, frankly weren't starting at
some point mid season.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Now we don't have the schedule yet, right.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Which makes it harder to kind of give us a
moment like a pinpoint. Oh well, this is a soft
landing spot for one of these guys. I think the
colts On Richardson is the one that would surprise me
if it was early. I think Gardner Minshew actually in
a short runway can be pretty productive. I think it's
when you you know, even with the Eagles last year

(38:21):
he had a couple games, right.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I think it was one game for Jalen Hurts where
it was like WHOA.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
But I think if you extrapolate the long sample size
with Minshew I would feel much less comfortable with him
because of the volatility. Whereas Andy Dalton I think actually
could probably start the entire season if Bryce Young wasn't ready,
And I don't know if the record would be any
different for Carolina.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I don't know. I could see Carolina going to Bryce
the soonest.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
But Dalton to me, has the most runway for success
based off of his prior history.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
The way I always look at it is if I'm
the team, Like if I'm the head coach, the GM,
the front office, I would look at my young rookie
quarterback and say does he know enough and is he
prepared enough where we feel confident he's not at great
risk to go out there and start forming bad habits. Yeah,
that he then has to break. I mean on Bryce, right,

(39:19):
I think you were there on Bryce. Yeah, with CJ. Stroud.
To me, it's a supporting cast question because he most
likely will end up having five first round wide receivers
as his targets the last two seasons at Ohio State.
He doesn't have five first round wide receivers with the
Houston Texans, you know what I mean. So that is

(39:39):
a big, big difference. And with Anthony Richardson, the guy
through three hundred and ninety three passes in college. He
hasn't even thrown four hundred passes. So I'm really curious
if the colts can be honest with themselves and disciplined
if they don't feel he's ready to go out there
and they feel like he's at risk to develop some

(39:59):
bad I wonder if they can be disciplined enough and
honest with themselves enough to not throw them out there
before he actually is ready.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Yeah, yeah, you said it right. I think it's going
to It's gonna be a QB readiness question the most,
but also we know it. It's a win now league
and if you don't start winning and you have a
high draft pick, owners can get uncomfortable with that.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Oh absolutely yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
And Chris Ballard's timeline the GM not the same timeline
as the new head coach, Shane Stike, and he needs
results right away. Hey, coming up next, this team just
made a whoa move.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
We'll explain.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Oh, what's going on everybody. Hope you're enjoying your Saturday.
A team made a move that will make you go
whoa wow or yikes?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
One of those things.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
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be Guys. Mike Budenholzer fired as head coach of the
Milwaukee Bucks. Guy won a championship in Milwaukee, he was

(41:09):
Coach of the Year in twenty nineteen, and he's out
of a gig now.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
A couple of things to consider here.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
His brother died before Game four of the Bucks first
round series against the Miami Heat.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Oh I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, Bud coached. He didn't miss a game, but it
ended up being a gentleman sweep. They lost in five
to the Miami Heat. Jannis had a back injury. He
missed two and a half games. And yet Bud is
out of a gig. I know the knock is been,
and it's true Bud is slow to make adjustments. Giannis

(41:45):
pointed that out after Game five after they lost the series,
and he's gone. It's like Hawk Harrelson used to say,
the color commentator for the White Sox.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
He going, he's out of a gig. And this is wild.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Two Fellas you look at the last four NBA champions
three of the head coaches have been fired. Steve Kurr
is the only guy who won a championship last season
to still be employed. Budenholzer is out. They won a
title two years ago in twenty twenty one. Frank Vogel
with the Lakers is gone. Nick Nurse with the Raptors

(42:18):
he's out of a gig also, So I mean, hey,
it's a what have you done for me lately?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Business?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
And we'll get to Giannis's comments after the loss to
the Heat, saying there's no failure in sports. I wonder
if Bud is thinking, Hey, if there's no failure in sports,
why am I out of.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
A gig right now?

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Right?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Like, clearly there is failure in sports, and the Bucks
losing in five in the first round was an epic failure.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
They were the odds on favorites to win a championship
and they lost in a gentleman sweep in round one
to an eight seed. So that is a textbook failure
right there, and I think unfortunately Budenholzer pays the price
for it.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Well, unfortunately in sports much like life. I mean, that's
the reason why I think a lot of parents like
to have their kids play sports, because the consequences can
be severe and immediate in sports, just like certain decisions
you make in life. You know, so it's a great
it's a great metaphor or comparison or parable, whatever you

(43:30):
want to say or label like. And that's the reality
of this situation in my mind. Like there are certain
times in life where you know, if you get beat
or if you make a decision, it's not going to
have a reverberation for the rest of your life. You
know what I mean, It's not going to be one
of those things that historically you're going to remember as

(43:51):
one of your life's greatest regrets. You know, say you
know you ding somebody's bumper in a parking lot. Yeah,
like that's not going to ruin your life. But say
you drive drunk and you hurt somebody or kill somebody
like that historically is going to change the way people
think of you. It could change your employment. You know,

(44:14):
you may lose your job, You could do jail time.
I mean, like like real ramifications can occur from that, Like, look,
he lost a playoff series and if you just say that, Okay,
what's the harm, Well, it's the way it happened. Like
you said, they lost in five to an eight seed
when they were the odds on favorites to win the

(44:35):
NBA Championship. In in Game five, by the way, they
had a sixteen point lead going into the fourth quarter.
They got outscored thirty two sixteen in the fourth and
Mike Budenholzer didn't have a good excuse as to why
he didn't use timeouts. I mean, like I completely understand

(44:56):
from a personal standpoint and empathize, or I should say
empathize because I've never experienced what he's going through with
his brother passing away, and that is an absolute horrifying
thing to face at any point in your life, certainly
during one of the more important moments in your life
being in the postseason as a coach. But my goodness,
like sometimes in sport, things happen like historic things happened

(45:23):
to you or because of you, and if you're a
part of the problem, they're going to make hard decisions.
And I think this was actually a hard decision by
Milwaukee's ownership. I don't think they necessarily wanted to fire
the guy, but after an embarrassment like that, fan bases
they want changes, and that was the change that ownership

(45:43):
felt like they needed to impart to make up for it.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Yeah, I didn't know about the brother thing. I think
that changes how I feel about the situation a little bit.
But I do think unfortunately, when you're embarrassed on the
level that the Bucks were embarrassed at, I think a
change does have to be made. I've been putting a
lot of thought into Giannis's quote, you know, his his

(46:08):
his failure speech the last few days, because it resonates
with me on a betting level, like I feel a
lot of responsibility on a daily basis with the people
who follow my picks and stuff like that. And when
I have a losing day, a lot of people in
a very results oriented business feel like I had a
failure of a day, whereas I like to consider days

(46:30):
that I lose learning experiences. Even days that I win,
I like to consider them learning experiences. But on days
that I lose, specifically, when your bankroll is less the
day you know after you you had a rough, rough
couple of bets there.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Maybe maybe more than a couple some days.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
It just it just speaks to I think the level
of uncertainty in sports, And that's what we talk about
on this show. That's what we preach when we're betting,
when we're trying to break down these games and trying
to figure out who's gonna win. There we can break
this stuff down to we're blue in the face. There
is a level of uncertainty and unpredictability and randomness that

(47:11):
occurs in the world of sports that you could be
the most polished professional athlete in the best shape in
the world, you can't prepare for every scenario. You can't
understand why things happen the way that they do. All
you could do is react to them, and in this
particular case, I think the Bucks reacted very harshly, but

(47:31):
maybe fairly right like. And it is weird that the
last wasn't a three to the last four coaches NBA
championships are now without a job. I mean to me,
I think that speaks more to where sports is than
anything else. Success is fleeting. It is not an easy
thing to stay at top your perch. And the NFL
stands for not for long. I don't know what the

(47:52):
NBA stands for, but might as well just put it
in the same category, because when you win a championship
usually you get a little bit of a runway. But
I I guess it was a little bit of a
shorter runway for coach Budd.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, did not have the runway right there.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
The thing that blows my mind is if you go
back to that Game five loss to Miami, there were
just a couple of seconds left at the end of regulation.
Miami was inbounding the ball. They were down by two.
They chucked it toward the basket. Jimmy Butler pushes off, Yeah,
catches the ball, puts it in ty, game goes to overtime,

(48:26):
Miami wins if there's a foul call there, which there
definitely should have been. Who knows what we're talking about today. Yeah,
you know, the Bucks win Game five, the series shifts
to Miami. Maybe the Bucks win that game on the
road and eventually win that series. We'll never know that,
but that blows my mind. Is this firing and a

(48:47):
major change of direction, the course of your direction. It
hinges on a no call that should have been made.
That's wild to me. But what you're talking about Gianni's
his comments after that Game five lost to Miami in
the first round.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Jared, this is how it sounded. Just so we're all
on the same page.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
It's not a failure.

Speaker 6 (49:06):
It steps to success.

Speaker 11 (49:07):
Michael Jordan played fifteen years, one six championship. The other
nine years was a failure. That's what you're telling me.
I'm asking your question, yes or no? Okay, exactly, So
why you ask me that question. It's a wrong question.
There's no failure in sports. You know, there's good days,
bad days. Some days you are able to be successful
so that you're not some days it's your turn, some

(49:29):
day it's not your turn. And that's what sports about.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I mean, listen, I know that's his perspective and it's
a different way to look at it. But look, I
think it depends on how you lose as well. If
we're comparing it to Michael Jordan. Was Michael Jordan losing
in the Eastern Conference finals like that?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
That's different than losing.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
In round one in five to an eight seed, you
know what I mean? Like that, that's a far cry
from it. If you compare it to betting. You brought
this up, Jared, if your picks out there and it's
I mean, there's a buzzer beater in the pick doesn't cash.
That's different than saying I'm gonna take this team and
they get blown out by forty, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Like, it's just different.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
It depends on how So I understand his perspective what
Giannis is saying, but there's no doubt as a one
seed losing to an eight in round one, when you're
the favorites to win a title, that's the definition of
a failure. They wouldn't have made a move as drastic
as they they did firing Bud if it wasn't a failure.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Look, when when things are good. Things are good when
things are bad, like you gotta find you gotta find
the good, right Like I I mean, nobody really asks
questions like that about failure or about about adjustments when
you're winning, like because the assumption is everything's working and

(50:52):
that's not true. That really isn't true. And when things
are bad, the truth is you you may only have
a cup of things you have to fix, but maybe
they were exploited and highlighted or you ran into a
really good team. So even as talented and as effective
as you are, you ran into a more talented or
more effective team. And sometimes that's the story of the postseason.

(51:16):
You know. The thing, though, is right now it's bad,
and so where's the good? Right? Sometimes the good is
in a change. Sometimes the good is in hey, look,
you know, maybe Budenholzer is a great culture builder, but
he's not going to be the coach that sustains right,
so maybe now is the excuse to move on. I'm

(51:37):
not saying that because the truth is, like I boil
it down to, like a really bad moment for Mike Budenholzer.
I think that Game five, that's ultimately what happened is
they looked at that performance, especially in the fourth quarter,
and they said this is inexplicable, like we just cannot
have a situation like this. That's really what it comes

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down to. When you go into the fourth quarter with
a sixteen point lead and you have a calamity of
events that leads to you being knocked out of the
series in that game. And then you also you mentioned
the inbound pass to Butler if he got fouled. How
about this after scoring the layup? Why wasn't a timeout called?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah? Right, that was a big yep.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
And then when coach Bud was asked about it afterwards,
he didn't have an excuse. He's like, yeah, we should
have called time out there.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
That's the thing is you can make great arguments on
both sides where you bring up great points about Bud.
Why didn't you do this? Why didn't you do that?
That's totally fair. The other side of that is Giannis
missus two and a half games and missus thirteen free
throws in game five.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, like that's not on Bud.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Yeah, well I he did also say after the game,
and look, there there is a certain chain of responsibility,
and when a star is willing to pass the buck
to his coach. It also speaks volumes because Jannis for
as much as I and that clip went viral, the

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one we just played. There about no failure in sports,
and there's a part of me that agrees with a
lot of what he's saying, although the comparison he made,
Michael Jordan would tell you there's failure in sports. Michael
Jordan would tell you all those years that he didn't
make it to the posts, or to the postseason or
to the finals, that he failed because that's the way
he thought about it. That was his perspective about it.

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If you weren't winning, you were failing. In his mind,
it was very black and white for Giannis. There may
be more gray area, but there was no gray area.
When they were asking him about adjustments, he said, we
didn't make adjustments. When they were talking about Jimmy Butler
and the way he played in this series, he said
he wished he played defense against Jimmy Moore. And so

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what he's doing is he's outing the game plan. He's saying,
we did the wrong thing here, we didn't adjust. Who's
that on Is that on Yiannis? No, it's on coaching.
That's on. The buck stops at Budenholzer when he said
I didn't d up Jimmy as much as I should have.
That's by scheme, you know. So he's basically blaming the
coaching staff for the loss, and so the accountability when

(54:07):
you're blaming the coaching staff, it stops with the guy
at the head, and unfortunately for Mike Budenholzer, that's who
it is. That's where the buck stops.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
Yeah, I think there's two different lines of thinking here.
I agree with Giannis. I think in sports, the lesson
of sports the greater good of sports. There's no failures.
But we're talking about now a professional different level. I
think of accountability when you're talking to a kid who's
trying to learn how to be an adult, a human,

(54:38):
and they're playing sports, there's tons of life lessons. You
might lose the game, little Timmy, but let's learn from
it well. At the level that Yannis is at and
at the level that Mike Budenholzer is at, the stakes
are higher. You are a professional, it is your job.
If you don't get the job done, that's different. Then

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let's all grow and learn together about this beautiful game
that we're playing right like, I think there are, and
that's the gray area that you talk about, Brian, I
think that's very fair or rich. I think that's a
very fair comparison to make we do and I do
this too. I live in a society, a generation very
instant gratification. It's a results driven society, results driven business.

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And I'm a professional. If I feel like I didn't
do my best work, I feel like I failed that day.
Maybe I learned from the failure, but I'm still a
professional and I need to be held accountable for what
I'm doing. I think that's where the disagreement with the
Hones's statement comes in. The agreement is still at the core,
at the foundational level of what we're talking about on

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a daily basis. Yes, there are lessons in failure every day,
and we should gravitate towards those lessons instead of focusing
on the negative and being negative. Negative mindsets usually derive
negative results. We should be focusing on the lessons. But
at the end of the day's job and your job
was to win, and you didn't win. I mean, you know, right, Like,

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I think there's two tracks of mind to look at it.
I appreciate Giannis's more softer way of handling it. But
at the end of the day, you're a professional Bud,
you're one of the highest paid guys in your sport.
You gotta succeed or else changes will be made.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
I'll just say this real fast.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
I think it's easier to grade your own failures more
favorably and grade somebody else's failures more harshly.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
So if you look at Yannis, he's like, was it
a failure by us? We didn't win a championship?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
No, there's no failures in sports.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
And then when it comes to Bud and hey, how
is the game plan there?

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
There's no way management ran Bud out of town without
running it by Yannis.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Agree with us?

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Okay, So either Yannis went to them and said get
them out or management said this is what we want
to do.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Are you cool with it? I would willing to bet
it was the latter. I would I think so too.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
But worst case scenario, he's grading Budenholzer much more harshly
than he graded himself in terms of the failure department.
There's no doubt about that. And that's my point is
it's easier to look at yourself and say well, you
know this and that, and then somebody else that's around you,
especially on the same team, and say, man, I mean

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this freaking guy over here right like, there are a
lot of athletes that will think like that. And I
think Jannis he's evaluating himself differently than he was evaluating
Budenholzer in terms of failure and achievement and that sort
of thing.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
All right, we've got a lot to do over here.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
We've got Rich Ornberger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith,
Fox Sports Radio betting analyst.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
I'm Brian though coming up next.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
This scandal led to fingers being pointed in the wrong direction.
We'll explain. It's Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox
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Speaker 1 (58:19):
It doesn't involve me.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
That does not thank good college baseball is where we're
going over here. So Alabama coach bradbro Bohannon, so apparently
he knew a guy who was in a sports book
at Ohio who was making bets on Alabama's opponent LSU.

(58:44):
There are a couple of bets that were flagged due
to the amount coming in. One was just a straight
up bet on LSU. One was a parlay bet involving
another game, and it was flagged.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
They did their due diligence.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
They found out that Alabama coach Brad Bohannon was on
the phone with this guy as the bets are being entered.
Bohannon is out of a job. Adios muchachos, and here
we are. Here's the thing. I just want to make
a simple point here because a lot of times when
there is a betting scandal, there's a tendency in this

(59:20):
day and age to just blame betting becoming legalized in
more states.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Right, It's just yeah, it's the fallback.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Like if a coach or an athlete were to get
drunk and then drive around, would your reaction be to say, well,
we got these bars all over the place over No,
you would blame the person for making a bad choice.
Why would it be any different with gambling. It's not
on gambling becoming legalized in more states. It's on this

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coach doing something completely improper, betting on his opponent and
scratching a picture due to back tightness that might have
helped the odds of the opponent winning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
That's the guy to blame. It's not betting becoming legalized.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Oh yeah, No, I completely agree with you in these
cases when people are taking advantage of vices outside of addictions,
because I do believe that, you know, there there is
a strong argument to be heard about, you know, addictions
almost being out at a certain point outside the control
of the user. I mean, you need serious help if

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you're in a situation like that. But outside of that,
I mean, the responsibility is completely on the end user.
Like the I'll make the comparison. I did this earlier
this week to the tobacco industry because we're talking about
another vice there. One of these single most largest contributing

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factors to the health of Americans recently was vice tax
on tobacco.

Speaker 8 (01:00:56):
Like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
There was a significant amount of cardiac vascular debt attributed
to cigarette smoking as soon as like the tax started
being applied to cigarettes and tobacco sales in the United States,
the rate of cardiac death attributed to cigarette smoking plummeted.

(01:01:19):
You know, so, I think what we need is just
regulation around around advice. And that's what's happening. I mean,
gambling is being taxed at a pretty high rate. You know,
state to state, there's different rules and stuff like that.
There's obviously help for people who are addicted to both
of these things I just mentioned tobacco, end gambling. Sometimes
you just have to blame the end user, and this

(01:01:40):
is one of those situations. This guy knows the rules,
He's been a coach for a while. He knows that
it's inappropriate to get on the phone with a buddy
in Ohio. I mean, so, I look, you know, justice
served where justice is needed. This was dumb. I mean,
I'm sure the Ohio Sports book takes a lot action
on LSU baseball, you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Know what I mean, like all the.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
All of a sudden baseball, No nobody does.

Speaker 8 (01:02:09):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
I mean, this dummy got caught, and he should get
caught because it was This was very stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
I have many thoughts here. First of all, do you
guys want the ironic part of this story. First, yeah, ye,
the bets were made at the Red Sports Book where
we did the show from.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
That's right, great American ballpark.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Baby's so funny.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
Bring it all full circle to we were literally there
like three or four months ago during the NFL playoffs,
and we were not there for this, for this particular
event taking place, obviously, but it was insider trading.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I mean, that's really what it was.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
The coach knew that their best picture was getting scratched
against LSU on a Friday night. Right, if you're unfamiliar
with college baseball, the best pitcher tends to start Friday
night of the weekend series against the conference opponents, and
he gave a tip to his buddy. I guess now,
you're right. The stupidity of the execution of this is

(01:03:06):
why the story unraveled. But also to bring it back
to Brian's point about drunk driving and stuff moderation, If
this guy would have only bet a few hundred bucks
to pad his bankroll a little bit on LSU, nobody's
the wiser and everyone just moves on with their lives
and it's not really, in my opinion, a huge deal.

(01:03:27):
But when all of a sudden, you get greedy and
you go for the extra big score. Well that's when
it's going to get on people's radars, because, like we said,
not a lot of handle gets bet on college baseball
every week. If this was an NFL game and this
guy had a tip that this quarterback wasn't going to play,
probably nobody really knows what's happening because of how much

(01:03:51):
gets bet on an NFL game every week. But when
you're talking about a college baseball game in Tuscaloosa, Alabama,
I don't know. It could have been a bat, but
you get the point. Not a lot of people are
betting that. So when you make a big wager, it's
gonna cause a lot of attention. I actually got a
text message from a bookmaker friend that saw the screen

(01:04:13):
pop up and say, yup, Alabama off the board and
all these shops.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Something's going on, Something fishy's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
And that's when I was brought attention to it, and
then the story kind of unraveled from there. But again,
I think it goes back to Brian's drunk driving point moderation.
If you just take the information, you make a regular
bet on it, you use it as just a feather
in your cap.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
That's one thing.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
But when you make a big deal about it and
it's regulated the way it is, I do think eventually
we will get more regulation in sports betting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
It's needed.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
I agree with all of your points there, But at
the end of the day, just be smart, right, Like
same thing when you're going out in the bar with
your friends on a Friday night, Like, just be smart
and these things won't happen.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
And this is, man, this is a mistake I don't
know that you can recover from because I think the no, yeah,
the Alabama coach is betting on the other team, you
know what I mean? Like, yeah, think about how much
of sports involves trust, like trusting the people around you,
trusting your coach, you know, and when he's betting on

(01:05:17):
the other team with inside information, and I don't know
how in a job interview you spin that in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
A way where you're recovered.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
You're like, and the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
University is like, all right, I buy it, you know
what I mean? Like, yeah, I'm not rooting for that
to be the case, but man, that is a state
I don't know that you can wash off well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
And and here's the other thing is you know, I again,
they did an investigation. They figured out that this was
something untoward happened. But this is a warning to all players,
all coaches, anybody affiliated with athletic departments or or sports teams.
You gotta be real careful who you share information with

(01:05:58):
because imagine this. Imagine you're calling one of your buddies
from back home. Maybe coach Bohannan grew up in Ohio
and he's got a buddy who goes to the sports
book at the Great American Ballpark and just loves to bet.
I mean, there's a lot of people like that, you know,
they just like the action. Maybe they're sprinkling small amounts
of you know, a couple dollars here and there as

(01:06:19):
they can. But all of a sudden, he gets a
huge tip from a buddy who is just sharing information
with him about you know, this pitcher. I mean, we're
really depending on him. Ls you. Ah, well, you know
that's the luck of the draw. Anyways, Jake, great, catching up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
With you later and then you're crazy cousin Jake just
bets a fortune on this inside.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah, you're right, you gotta be real careful.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Like so this is I mean, I'm telling you, if
I am a coach, if I am a general manager,
if I am an owner of a football, basketball, baseball team,
if I'm an athletic director. I'm using this as an example.
You just said the words Jared insider trading. You guys
all have knowledge in this room that can sway the market.

(01:07:04):
And if you if it's traced back to you, even
if you didn't earn a single dollar on the information,
if it's traced back to you, if you're the reason
something went down that that that red flags came up for,
You're gonna be complicit, whether it was accidental or not,
because guess what, at the end of the day, nobody's
gonna believe you. Nobody's gonna believe you. So you gotta

(01:07:26):
be real careful with information sharing these days in sports.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
You know you talked about I sent you guys stuff too,
and and and that's more my information that I'm willing
to share, right But I don't. I don't coach any
teams like I'm getting the information fair and square based
off of my process and I'm just sharing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
It with you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
It's different when you're the originator of that information. Just
like our other pal that I know that Brian wants to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
T oh, you know that's the thing, the originator of information.
It's absolutely right, and Rich mentioned a red flag, nothing
but green and seckered flags with one Isaac Low.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
And crawn I low with the latest. What's going on?

Speaker 9 (01:08:04):
Bud built a name during this report?

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
Whoa, how's that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
Low?

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Dark?

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
For a second?

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Everything go okay? Were you were you like emotional? Were
you wiping tears away with that intro?

Speaker 9 (01:08:21):
You know you know me so well? I think you
know me better than I know myself. Perhaps? Yeah, man, yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 10 (01:08:28):
We kind of go down a dark path, kind of
a dark path at the Kentucky Derby this morning because
the favorite for the race, Forte, was scratched this morning.
Fourteen was said to go off at three to one odds.
Fort's owner, Mike Ripoli, said that a Kentucky State Horse
Racing commissioned veterinarian scratched Forte after a workout this morning

(01:08:50):
because of a bruised right front foot that the horse
sustained earlier this week.

Speaker 12 (01:08:55):
Hey, Gallas, great you guys watching down at the Galla.
Gray came off. They said he was off a tick.
It's objective, man, he was not. It was not like
an obvious yeah, seem fine to me. I look a
lot worse than him. I think they were overly cautious,
but I have to understand and respect the fact that
they're overly cautious.

Speaker 10 (01:09:16):
That audio courtesy of WDRB Television. Rapoli went on to
express frustration about the consistency of scratching decisions from state
to state. In Game three of the NBA's Western Conference
semi Finals on Friday night, Devin Booker the Phoenix Sun
scored forty seven and their one twenty one to one
to fourteen win over Denver, which still leads the series

(01:09:37):
two games to one. Booker was twenty out of twenty
five from the field. Kevin Durant added thirty nine points,
nine rebounds, and eight assists. In Game three of the
Eastern Conference semi Finals, the Boston Celtics won at Philadelphia
one fourteen to one to two for a two games
to one lead. Jason Tatum led him with twenty seven,
James Harden and Philly just three out of fourteen from

(01:09:57):
the field. And In Major League Baseball on Friday night,
Fernando Tatist Junior hit two home runs off of Clayton
Kershaw as the Padres beat the Dodgers five to two,
breaking the Dodgers six game winning the streak. Fellas, let
your derby continue.

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Discover dot com slash Match. That's the other side of
it when we're talking about the upcoming Kentucky Derby today,
is yeah, there have been horses that have died, four
of them this week, and I can understand the need
to be extra cautious because there's such the entire sport

(01:10:49):
is under the microscope right now. But the other side
of this is Micropoli, who owns the horse who's the
odds on favorite to win the derby, and he doesn't
agree that he should be scratched. But he's like, I mean,
I think they're overly cautious, But what am I gonna do.
That's the other side of it. When a horse might
be healthy enough to run where you can win a

(01:11:11):
small fortune in the glory and everything that comes along
with it, that's the other side of playing it safe.
But I can understand why based on the backdrop this week,
especially yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
This the you know, timing is everything in this world,
as we all know, and your environment can dictate outcomes
sometimes and I think that's probably more of what's going on.
Although we don't know. I mean, this scratch could have
come regardless, it definitely feels like the atmosphere of the
week leading up to the Derby is a big reason
for this scratch. I will say this though, on the

(01:11:45):
backside of these horses careers, the amount of money you
get paid to stut out horses, you know, to have
a horse sire, you know, multiple offspring that can net
you millions, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars
over the course of the rest of the life of

(01:12:07):
these horses. Proceeding with caution in certain circumstances is probably
the best path forward because there are certain instances where,
you know, out of you know, kind of humanity to
these horses, there's nothing you can do. After a certain injury,
you have to put a horse down, and those are

(01:12:28):
extremely sad moments and they're really expensive moment moments for
the horse owners. So that's a part of the equation too.
That doesn't get discussed a lot, but that absolutely came
up in conversation this week. I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
Yeah, it's it's weird right now, the entire sport unfortunately,
it is kind of a black cloud.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
And I'll be honest. So I got in. So my
grandfather's actually huge in the horse racing.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
You know, he owned a trotter horse, which is one
of the ones in the harness and so I was
into at a younger age and and it kind of
sparked a little bit of betting, you know, vibes in me.
And then later on during the pandemic, horse racing was
one of the only shows in town. And it was
right when quarantine hit March April twenty twenty. He still

(01:13:15):
a Gulf Stream going, you had a lot of other
tracks going. And I got into it again and there
were a lot of the same obviously a little bit
of a different hint during the pandemic, but a lot
of those same questions about the ways the horses were
being treated and the health and the safety protocols during
the pandemic. A lot of that stuff has now carried
over post pandemic life, and it's tough because it is

(01:13:39):
the sport of kings, but it's also a sport that
has taken a lot of scrutiny, and I am seeing
the most obviously this week. It has more eyeballs on it.
So if you want to raise awareness to an issue,
this is the week to do it, because everyone's talking
about horse racing and I've seen a lot more of
these questions and concerns being brought up about the health
and efty of the horses this week than other weeks,

(01:14:02):
obviously again because it's Derby week, but it still begs
the question, what is the sport doing wrong? How can
we fix it? I don't know the answers to those questions. Again,
I'm not a big time horse guy, like I enjoy it,
you know, sparingly when it's kind of talked about a
little bit here in the public spotlight. But there are
a lot of really difficult questions that need answers, and unfortunately,

(01:14:23):
I don't think they're going to be answered this week.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Yeah, I think part of it is what we're seeing
right here with Ripoli's horse. You can't prevent every injury
which results in every death, but you can be overly
cautious at times. And I think that would lessen the
amount of carnage, if you will. And Rich, that's a
great point in terms of Secretariat six hundred and sixty

(01:14:45):
three offspring for old Secretariat over there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Not a bad life, Yeah, busy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Secretariot. What is it knocking hoofs? We're not knocking boots.
We're knocking hooves over there. Oh, we've got Rich Heardenberger.
He's got a shaved clavigal Penn State All American, Jared
Smith FSR betting analyst. He's got a dog named Jackpot.
I'm Brian No coming up next. This is not ideal
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(01:15:39):
week took a lot of college football.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
On this show.

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
This week it was announced that the College football playoff
when it expands to twelve teams next year in twenty
twenty four, there will be games that go head to
head against the NFL. Not ideal, but there's only so
much you can do to straight avoid this. This will
be the first round, okay, So this will be the

(01:16:05):
first round where there will be one game that is
a standalone game on Friday, and then there will be
three Saturday games that will go head to head with
individual NFL games. Again, not the greatest way to do it,
but I don't know how you avoid it completely if
you have, essentially in college football when it expands next year,

(01:16:27):
four rounds of the playoffs. I don't think you can
avoid the NFL every single round, right there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Play four games on Friday, in Audie Vayner, two on Thursday,
two on Friday. You're not gonna be able to get
your full TV audience, however you slice it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
So I was already, you know me, I was ready
to bang on college football? And what are you doing?
Are you out of your mind? I just don't think
there's any great way you can do it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Yeah, yeah, there really isn't. And I mean, look, there
are two schools of thought when it comes to like
businesses and and really I'm gonna focus on startups, but
also this this, uh, this really does apply to like
business is sustaining. Also, like say say you're you're looking
for a location for your business. You have this thriving, booming,

(01:17:17):
bustling metropolis, but you're gonna have competitors on every corner
where you're planning on putting your storefront. Well, the thing is,
it could work out for you because if everybody knows
that's where you go to get the products, and then
all of a sudden they see your storefront, or word
of mouth spreads that, like, hey, just down the road

(01:17:37):
from that one diner you really like eating at, there's
an even better diner. Like you know, sometimes being near
your competition can actually help you. Whereas if you put
your your your new business, your your restaurant, whatever it is,
on some back road, yeah, maybe there's no competition insight,
but also where are people gonna find you? You know,

(01:17:58):
So if you if you bury every single one of
your games throughout the day on a Friday while everybody's
still at work, you know, I mean, is that going
to get your ratings? If you're hiding if you're trying
to do weekday games during your own postseason, you know,
doesn't that diminish maybe the uh, you know, some of
some of the esteem that you've built up over the years,

(01:18:18):
because it's really gonna look like you're waving the flag
and saying, yeah, we're not popular enough to hang on
a weekend when the NFL is going. I think I
think it works. I honestly do. I don't think the
rat I don't think the ratings will be punished insanely
over this. And like you said, Brian, like what else
can you do? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
Multiple screens, guys, Yeah, there you go, you go. I mean,
I've got three of them that I'm staring at right now.
They're all dark because nothing's on. But let's say, for instance,
when we did this show during college football season, and
we would get off the air at noon Eastern and
there would be ten games on. I watched as many
of them as I possibly could. Is it the ideal scenario, No,

(01:19:02):
of course not. But there's only so many days in
the week, and you're not going to play them on
a Monday or Tuesday. And even if you did play
them on Monday, I gus if January, there's no more
Monday Night football. But you get the point. There's only
so many days in the week. You can only do
so much maneuvering. I think the College Football Playoff will
be fine. I don't think it will have a big impact.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
I think it will help because those first round games,
those will be at home campuses. Yeah, so if you're
going head to head with the NFL, that's a little
seasoning to maybe, Hey, check this out. It beats it
being at a neutral site, you know, in terms of
the excitement level and just the energy and the buzz.

(01:19:42):
And I honestly think that every college football Playoff game
except for the championship game should be at home campuses.
That's the magic of college football and that would absolutely
strengthen the regular season. Also, they should take a page
from the NFL and do that immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
I don't disagree at all. Yeah, I mean, I mean,
the college campus makes college football. Home stadiums make college
football totally.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Hey, coming up, what's the best and the worst QB
division in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
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at these qbs division by division and do a little

(01:20:52):
roundtable discussion best and worst divisions, just this season, not
projecting the next five ten years, just the here and
twenty twenty three. Baby, I'll give you the cliffs Notes
version on the best. To me, I think it comes
down to the AFC East and the AFC West, And
I'd actually go with the East. I think top to bottom,

(01:21:13):
that's where the best quarterbacks are.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
I'll give you it fast. If you go, you know,
tail of the tape.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
If you will Aaron Rodgers versus Mahomes, that's advantage Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Okay. I don't think anybody reasonably would dispute that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Here and now, if you go the next three I
think it's advantage AFC East Bill's quarterback Josh Allen versus
Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert Close. I would take Allen Allen.
It provides a little bit more with his legs than
Herbert does.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
I'd go Alan.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Would you go Tua or Russell Wilson? I think right
now it's greatly advantaged Tua. The only knock on him
is the health is can he remain healthy? Can he
remain upright? Mac Jones of the Patriots versus Jimmy Garoppolo
of the Raiders, they're kind of looking they at each
other with the Spider Man meme, you know, pointing at

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each other.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Almost the same guy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
But I think if if Mac Jones had what Jimmy
has had with the forty nine Ers, and Jimmy has
had a defensive coordinator calling plays offensively last year like
Mac had and Jacoby Myers and Nelson Agalor, it's complete
role reversal. I think Mac is actually better than Jimmy

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g I go AFC East top to bottom as the
best QB division.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
What do you guys think?

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
Yeah, I really appreciate the the thought that went into it.
Comparing them one to one, I would agree with you overall, right,
Like I think when you compare player to player, for
whatever reason, I see it almost the same exact way.
But then I started thinking about the teams and again,

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on paper is everything right now? Like we're not talking
about any of the matchups being played out on paper,
thinking about the help and the cast that these quarterbacks
have around them, including coaching. I kind of like the
AFC West better, you know. I mean, the Chargers added
more offensive weapons for Herbert Mahomes. Obviously with Andy Reid

(01:23:14):
it almost doesn't matter who they're paired with offensively, but
Galcey is still there. Russell Wilson, I really do love
the skill around Denver and Sean Payton coming in I
think is going to make this work. I think Nathaniel
Hackett was a bad administrator. If Sean Payton can't get

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the most out of Russell Wilson, then Russell Wilson's officially broken.
And then Jimmy Garoppolo, I mean, in every comparison, I
like him better than I like Mac Jones right now
at this point in both of their careers, So I
think I would go with the West. But this is
a close race, and the fact that Aaron Rodgers is
now in the AFC East makes the argument a lot

(01:23:55):
more difficult to make for the West.

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Yeah, when you sent this last I didn't go to
bed until later, so I like stared at this list.
You know, Brian sent around the list of all the
quarterbacks last night, giving us a little I appreciate this
because I would have had to make this chart on
my own, So you saved me about twenty minutes this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
But when I was staring at it, I was trying.

Speaker 5 (01:24:19):
I went bottom up, right, like I looked at the bottom,
because I'm assuming you ranked this by how you feel
each quarterback is right, Yeah, pretty much like you ranked
it like Mahomes is at like the list that Brian
Sennis Mahomes at the top of the West, and then Herbert,
then Wilson and Jimmy Kin. So I went bottom up
and I tried to find a guy at the bottom

(01:24:40):
of the list, the fourth quarterback on the list that
I would be very excited about. And I think in
the AFC North was the was the division that I
got excited about the fourth quarterback, and that was Kenny
Pickett because when I look at what Pittsburgh is and
what they're building, and Picket being a first round pick,
maybe a little under the radar first round pick fell in.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
The draft last year.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
But then I look at the top and I get
excited about Joe Burrow, and I think Watson there's upside
there too. Lamar Jackson, of course, just signs a new contract.
We feel differently about him. Like, I'm trying to go
contrainer in here, because obviously the Afcast with Aaron Rodgers,
scotsh Allen, the AC West with the Holmes and Herbert, like,
it's hard to find two quarterbacks at the top of
a division that have that kind of yeah explosion. But

(01:25:24):
at the bottom, I'm trying to think, who's the best
of the worst quarterbacks on this list? I think it's
the AFC, you know, I think Kenny Pickett of all
the courts. So here are the quarterbacks that Brian listed
fourth in the divisions, Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, Anthony Richardson,
Jimmy g Sam Howell, Jordan Love Baker, Mayfield, Brock Purdy.
I think of those eight, I would take Picket, right,

(01:25:46):
Am I crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
There? Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Of the so of those you would take him first
of those.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Eight before definitely before Mac Jones.

Speaker 5 (01:25:56):
Yeah, definitely before Richardson definitely before Baker fin the lead,
before Sam Howell. I think you could make a case
that we don't know enough about Jordan Love to make
an accurate claim on how good he really is. Ye
for example, he might not be the worst. Like right
now he's ranked as the worst quarterback in the NFC North.
We might we might feel very differently about that come

(01:26:18):
December in the NFC South Baker Mayfield, I know, yeah,
and then Brock with the injury. Like, if Brock's healthy,
I take Brock, But when's Brock gonna play? I have
no idea. So I think of the eight fourth place guys,
the eight cabooses, I think take Kenny Pickett. But I

(01:26:41):
am open to interpretation and and and changes of my
opinion based off of your responses.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Well, hey man, in that if it's uh, you're looking
at the fourth place guys, and of course this is
you know, subjective to say the least you know, but
you could look at two and three. Do you like
Josh Allen and Tua better than Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
I would say yes, it's pretty close, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:09):
I would say yes, but only because I just don't
know what Deshawn's going to be in Cleveland yet, we
don't have enough of a sample size to make a
reasonable claim on him yet.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Really, frankly, he could be.

Speaker 5 (01:27:21):
He could like, for example, Deshaun Watson could end up
being one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL next
year if Noust the light switch turns on, or it
could be the worst. Like that's the the like to
me the AFC North, I think because of Lamar and
Deshawn's unpredictability and the uncertainty, the volatility could be to

(01:27:41):
the upside Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson, like DeShawn had
MVP vibes and Lamar was the MVP, but the downside
I think, like the ceiling is higher, the floor is lower,
right where with Josh Allen and Tua, I think it's
a little more stable.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
I'll just say this real quick, rich is Man, you
think about the supporting cast and how much it matters
before we get to the worst division. Think about Mac
Jones and a couple other guys Jimmy Garoppolo and Kenny Pickett.
Yep okay, Jimmy g has had Deebo, Samuel Brandon, I Yuke,
George Kittle, that's a who's who's supporting cast. Now he's

(01:28:18):
got Davonte Adams, like arguably the best receiver with the Raiders.
Mac Jones hasn't had half of that. Look at Kenny Bickett.
Kenny Pickett has had, George Pickens, Pat Fryarmuth, He's had
way more talent around him than Mac Jones has had.
So I'm not saying mac Jones is walking on quarterback water.
I just think that sometimes we're prone to give up

(01:28:40):
on a guy too early. Where two is a great example.
Two his first year not the greatest. Then all of
a sudden they get tyreek Hill and they get Jalen Wattle,
and what do you know, the numbers are dramatically better.
I think the numbers could be dramatically better for mac
Jones surrounded with comparable talent.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Oh no, I don't. I don't disagree with that. It's
sort of the way I look at a quarterback is
I don't base it off of potential as much as
off of what they've done.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Totally in this league.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
And Jimmy Garoppolo has done more, played in bigger games,
more dependable in those moments than Mac Jones has shown
He's had one playoff appearance, and it was a complete
flame out by the Patriots against the Bills. His rookie year.
I thought it was a solid rookie year though, And
in year two, I'll make some excuses for him because
they made some inexplicable coaching decisions with the offensive staff.

(01:29:32):
But yeah, just in terms of who I trust more
right now in their careers, Mac Jones with the current
staff and roster, or Jimmy Garoppolo with the current staff
and roster again reuniting with Josh McDaniels in Raiderland with
DeVante Adams as you mentioned, I mean, there's no question
in my mind Jimmy g But moving on to the

(01:29:53):
worst starting quarterback?

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Yeah, what do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
Oh Man?

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
Sometimes it's easier to pick the worst than the best, right,
and this.

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
With without question, was easy for me, And I'm really
curious how you guys thought about it. I just kind
of tip my hand. I don't really base it off
of potential, you know, I base it off of what
you've done for me lately outside of Trevor Lawrence in
the AFC South. Yeah, I mean, is there a quarterback
that really blows your doors off. I mean, everything is

(01:30:21):
potential with Stroud and Richardson, and those are two teams
who are at the top of the draft because they're lousy.
Tannehill has been kind of, you know, mister hanging on
to second tier quarterback rankings since he's been in the league,
and Trevor Lawrence is a budding star. There's no question
about it. So yeah, for me, it was easy. It's

(01:30:42):
the AFC South that is the worst quarterback division until
until we actually see rubber meat the road with Stroud
and Richardson.

Speaker 5 (01:30:50):
Guys aren't excited about I was gonna say, you know,
I know Brian's answer here, but you guys aren't excited
about the first round trio of where I guess will
fell out of the first round, but the high quarterback
drafted trio of Levis Stroud and Richardson.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Brian, I'll tee that up for you, my friend. I'll
start with CJ if you want.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
I mean, look, man, if we're talking just twenty twenty three,
we know how it typically goes with rookie quarterbacks. Mat
you go back a couple of years ago, Trevor Lawrence
had more interceptions than touchdowns Justin Field's the same thing,
Zach Wilson the same thing. Like that's typically the way
it goes. So if we're looking at who's going to
be more productive justin twenty twenty three, I'll take the

(01:31:36):
NFC South over the AFC South. I'll take Derek Carr,
Bryce Young, Desmond Ridder, and Baker Mayfield. It sounds outlandish
to say that because Bryce Young's a rookie. Desmond Ridder
he started what four games, threw a little over one
hundred passes last year. It's not like he's a grizzled
veteran or anything, but he's had more snaps, he's had

(01:31:57):
more seasoning. I just don't expect much from either Will Levis,
C J. Stroud or Anthony Richardson in year one. I mean,
you throw this, maybe the one two punch is better
in the AFC South if you consider Trevor Lawrence and
Ryan Tannehill. I mean, we're considering who you're comparing it to.
In the NFC South, it's Derek Carr, and who who's

(01:32:19):
the next guy in terms of the best production?

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
Is it Baker?

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
I mean, really, I think there's upside with Ritter and
the Falcons.

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
I do like Arthur Smith a lot, and I think
second year in that scheme, you know, Desmond didn't play
a ton last year. He had a chance to learn.
Even though Marcus Mariot is not exactly Confucius when it
comes to quarterback play, I think they're still up.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
I think I think Atlanta does have some upside.

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
He's also got arguably the best running back perhaps in
the draft, right like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Bijon sprinkle some Bjeon On little Ritter action.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Maybe who's got a better one two combo all yew.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
With al Jier two?

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
I think I think the Falcons because of the division
they play in and because of who their offensive coordinator is,
right like, they have to be the best offense in
that division, Like there is no other way around it.
The only way they're successful is if that offense with
Arthur Smith pulling the strings is just explosive.

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
Yeah yeah, well yeah, And I do like Arthur Smith too.
I think that he got a lot out of Ryan Tannehill,
where nobody really saw the value there, and then the
Tennessee Titans sort of carried the torch from there and
that's how he earned his bones as a head coach
in this league. I don't know, man, though, you're putting

(01:33:34):
a lot of faith in players that we have very
little knowledge of. True And to me, look, I was
a rookie once in the NFL. You can't trust a
rookie in the NFL. You have no idea what they're
going to do when they're asked to play against grown
men who've been doing this for a career for five years,

(01:33:54):
eight years, ten years. You know, defenses that have been
feasting on mistakes of young players you know have played
together for multiple years. It's it's a completely different level
of play bryce young you know, CJ. Stroud, Will Levis,
Anthony Richardson. These guys may or may not catch up fast.

(01:34:16):
But the one thing I can promise you is you
can't put a lot of faith in a rookie because
it's the outlier, and it's the rare outlier that really
shines when they're thrown into the cauldron. It's it isn't easy.
It isn't easy. That's the reason why we remember the
great ones. You know, like RG three's rookie year. We're like,
oh my gosh, like this guy's figured it all out,

(01:34:38):
and then he found out real quick that the NFL
is really difficult, and you get hurt and you get
banged around, and you know, sometimes you can't catch that
lightning in the bottle again. You know, the same way
Peyton Manning, he's a Hall of Famer. Look at his
rookie year. It sucked year two, year three, year four.
I mean he started figuring it out and he became
a Hall of Famer. But it's tough. It's tough start

(01:35:00):
nowt at that level.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
I just I keep on banging the drum. I think
c J.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Stroud is really gonna struggle his rookie year because the
talent that he left at Ohio State and the lack
of talent he has in Houston at a much higher level.
It's night and day he will. We have these mock
drafts coming out for twenty twenty four. Marvin Harrison Junior.
It could be the number two overall pick and a

(01:35:26):
Mecca A Buka. He might be a first rounder as well.
If that's the case, it certainly will be with Marvin
Harrison Junior. But if Abuka goes in the first.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Round, c J.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Stroud will have five first round wide receivers over the
last two seasons at Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Five guys like he doesn't have that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
In Houston this year, and there are reports that he
went to management and said, can you draft Tank Dell
o wide receiver in the third round?

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
And they did.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
I mean it's like, can you give me somebody please?

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Like either they agreed with him or they listen and
they just went out and did it to appease him.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Yeah, and by the way, I mean to that point,
outside of Dell, and look, Dell hasn't played a snap
in the NFL either, So maybe when he's going against
press coverage or or these complex, you know, coverage schemes
against him, maybe he struggles to Robert Woods like that
is your best receiver right now on the field. And

(01:36:22):
outside of him, I mean, it is truly a who's who,
including Tank, Dell, of Nicocollins and Mechi the third.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
And I hope Metchi gets some run this year.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
I really do that that whole situation in the National
Championship Game changed the outcome of that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
No, I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And man, I think it's gonna be
like justin fields, justin fields. When he left Ohio State
and he went to the Bears, I think in terms
of supporting cast. It's like a carbon copy with what CJ.
Stroud is leaving at Ohio State, what's not around him
with the Houston Texans, at least initially.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
That's why.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Man, this this Will Anderson junior trade, it has the
potential to be an all time stinker.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
He better be Bruce Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
He really has to be. He's gotta be Derek Thomas.
Bruce Smith.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
You know what we talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
I'm curious your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:37:16):
Overall is the NFC West, you know, and that division,
in my eyes, used to be like the division in
football for a number of years, super Bowl contender, super
Bowl winners. And now you get Stafford, who we have
no idea what his situation is, Kyler Murray, we have
no idea what his situation is. Brock Perdy, we have

(01:37:36):
no idea what his situation is. And then there's Geno Smith.
And it kind of is funny because I think, I
think I feel okay with the opinion that Seattle had
the best draft of any team in that division. I mean,
I know the Niners didn't have a ton of picks
and the Rams didn't have a ton of picks. Arizona

(01:37:57):
went a line not very sexy but I really like
what Seattle's cooking there, and I know Gino's got, you know,
a little runway left in the tank. I could see
them having a really good year. And they are not
the favorite to win that division, and maybe they should be,
or at least should be a lot closer to the
top of the odds board. Right now, the Niners are

(01:38:20):
minus money to win that division. I don't think that
price is right. That price makes no sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
No, I hear you on that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
All right, We've got Rich Ornberger, Penn State, all American. Rich,
Are you wearing a tight black shirt?

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
Tell me you are Navy? Yeah, Navy, but I will
say it it's tight.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
Got judge FSR betting analyst, I'm Brian No Coming up next.
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Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Slash match.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Can I interest you guys in a couple of twenty
twenty four NFL mock drafts?

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
Huh you ready for this?

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
Yeah? Why not? But sure? Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
So we get a couple of uh cracks at it
where the Arizona Cardinals might have the number one overall pick.
Arizona's probably gonna be terrible, and they also have the
Houston Texans first round pick and they're probably gonna be
terrible as well. So the question is this, if the
Arizona Cardinals have the number one overall pick, do they

(01:39:41):
go with a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Do they go with Caleb.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Williams out of USC And here's one thing to consider.
Kyler Murray's cap hits from twenty twenty four to twenty
six are all north of fifty million dollars. Okay, So
if you move on from Kyler Murray, I mean, if
you trade him, Like, there's significant amount of salary cap

(01:40:07):
ramifications involved in what you do with Kyler Murray if
you go with the QB. So with that being said,
I think some of it is tied to what Kyler
does this season. Does he get on the field, how
does he look, does he look like he's healthy?

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
I mean does he look good?

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
You know, they might not go with the QB, they
might trade down and take all that draft capital. But man,
you got to ask yourself, is Kyler Murray our future?
Do we stand a better chance of winning big with
Kyler Murray or Caleb Williams? And I don't know that
your answer is going to be Kyler Murray at the
end of this season.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Well, look, Kyler Murray is a leftover from the last regime, right, Yeah,
So if it's going great with Kyler Murray, you're not
necessarily gonna get all the Kyler Murray credit because it
has looked great in the past with Kyler Murray. You know,
I'm not saying that. You know, with with a new

(01:41:09):
coach and a new system and maybe some accommodations made
or changes made or adjustments made, he can they can't
highlight further talent from Kyler because that absolutely can be
the case. But if it's not going great, like if
it's going even just good or fair or bad, yeah,

(01:41:30):
then I could very easily see the Arizona Cardinals moving on,
moving on from Kyler Murray. Because again, it's like it's
like if you you picked up a half written essay
put some finishing touches on it and said, hey, it's
a finished work. Don't I get all the credit? No,
some other GM drafted him, some other coach you know,
broke him into the NFL. That isn't You don't get

(01:41:52):
the full report or the full report card grade for
all the all the you know, but if if Kyler struggles,
or if he's not completely healthy, or you know, he
starts the season a little bit slow and finishes or
finishes the season strong, but you miss the postseason. Yeah,
I could. I could see very easily the Arizona Cardinals,
regardless of where they land in this next draft, picking

(01:42:14):
a quarterback at the top of the draft, trading up
if they have to, because I could see the new
regime wanting to have a have a reset button pressed
before the upcoming twenty twenty four season.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
Well, you said new regime and that's the key, Yeah,
Jonathan Gannon, new head coach, get Martin Austin forked, Yeah,
it was.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Right off the tongue, right from Laverne, Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
I just did a brief deep dive into him because
I didn't know a whole lot about him, frankly until the.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Draft money money, Well, their opening's money.

Speaker 5 (01:42:48):
I mean, this was a guy that was the director
of player personnel for the Titans for a few years,
and Rich maybe he scouted you, Bud. He was a
Patriots scout for ten fifteen years, a certain director of
college scouting national scout for the Pats right when you
were coming out of school.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
I owe everything to Mount.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
So but my point being, I would say the scouting
department of the Patriots, Rich included, did a pretty good
job in those late two thousand and five ten twenty
fifteen years, right like they did. Okay, A lot of
good young players came up through that organization during that time,
and they won a lot of Super Bowls, and the

(01:43:30):
Titans had a really good run, you know, over the
last few years as well. So Mani's had the opportunity
to see success at the top level. Jonathan Gannon was
in a Super Bowl last year. He's had the opportunity
to see success at the top level. Meanwhile, the quarterback
we're discussing has only seen success at the collegiate level.

(01:43:50):
I would say, I mean, I know that Cardinals started
nine to zero a couple years ago and then it
just it just completely fell off the rails. But obviously
Kyler had a ton of success the collegiate level, Heisman Trophy,
all that good stuff, and you know, going I.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Think that did they go to the playoff that year
with Oklahoma?

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
I forget they were in the playoff or not, but
I think they just missed. That was like a close
loss to Kansas State year or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Get if they went, but I know he was number
one pick, you know, Heisman Trophy, all that good stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
So I'm very confident that Kyler is going to have
success in the right system. But now new system. They
didn't pick Kyler, So that really is the is the
question that we'll ask ourselves, and I'm sure that question
will be answered throughout the long haul of the regular season.

(01:44:35):
Hopefully Kyler plays enough for us to get a definitive answer.
But Manni and Jonathan, the new brain trust there in Glendale,
they've got some tough decisions to make this year, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
By the way, our trusted producer Bo Benson got in
my ear and said, Oklahoma made it. Yeah, played they
played Alabama and then how don't I remember much of
that destroyed?

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
That's right, they got housed in that one.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
You know, what's interesting to me is if you think
of Kyler Murray and these cap hits, ask yourself, what
team is trading for Kyler Murray with the money that's
owed to him.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
So if you don't have someone willing to trade with you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
If you've got your site set on Caleb Williams, if
that's your guy, then you're just gonna release them and
take all those cap hits. So that's where it becomes interesting.
You might like Caleb Williams better than Kyler Murray, but
do you like Caleb Williams better than Kyler Murray? Like
if you trade it down, maybe three first round picks,
a second round pick, a third round pick, who knows

(01:45:37):
what kind of trade package you would get if you
trade down and just build a round Kyler Murray. And
then also, if you go with Caleb and have to
release Kyler, you're looking at all this dead money that's
tied up for years, and your salary cap space is
crimped as a result of that. It's almost like it

(01:45:57):
nullifies the advantage of having a rookie quarterback on a
rookie deal.

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
Yeah yeah, Well, I think there'll be a taker though,
because if Kyler Murray comes back and he can prove
that the knee isn't going to be a long standing
issue with him and his performance. I think there's gonna
be a team out there that's gonna trade for him.
You know, look at the forty nine ers. How much
of a struggle it is to trade Trey Lance. Why
it's because he's barely played. He's already been injured a

(01:46:23):
couple of times. There's just no track record in the NFL.
But when you're a starting quarterback with some wins under
your belt, when you're a starting quarterback who you know,
albeit like you know has vanished in the latter part
of seasons, but has had success, you know there's gonna
be takers. And then throw on top of it again,

(01:46:45):
assuming the knee doesn't hamper him. The athleticism that he
has and sort of the instant shock to a struggling
offense that a player like a Kyler Murray can have
on your offense. You know, because he is so mobile,
he'd things don't have to be perfect for him to perform. Now,
is he a playbook guy? Is he gonna be the

(01:47:07):
guy who walks in the door and day two is
gonna have the whole playbook down.

Speaker 5 (01:47:11):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:47:12):
No, In fact, you hear that from everyone now, or
shouldn't say everyone, but there's a chorus of people who
have worked with him in the past who said that
that's going to be an issue. But yeah, I think
there would be a taker in a trade and Arizona Again,
if you're rebuilding and it's a new regime and you're
bringing in a whole new level in the front office

(01:47:32):
and a whole new level at the coaching staff, and
Kyler Murray doesn't give you exactly what you want him
to you, you're probably gonna move on from him and
you're gonna draft somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Yeah, it's gonna be such a weird year with his quarterbacks, right.

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
But best case scenario for Arizona is Kyler comes back
and plays well, so they at least have a chance
of trading him if they choose Gira.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
Maybe it's a mid season thing too.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
Yeah, I mean, I mean that doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Happen a lot in the NFL, but rarely.

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
Yeah, but you just I mean, these days, I'll be honest,
the current state of the sporting climate, I have no
surprises anymore because every day is like just insane.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
That would be a surprise somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
If somebody traded for Kyler Murray fresh off of torn
acl without seeing him back on the field and doing
his thing like that would be a stunner to me.
But another stunner here is our guy, Isaac Lowenkron. You know,
that's why he wears his stunner shades all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:48:31):
That's what he's got the latest year. What's going on?

Speaker 9 (01:48:33):
I love even indoors.

Speaker 10 (01:48:35):
Actually, the only person who can really pull that off
is Jack Nicholson at a Lakers game.

Speaker 9 (01:48:39):
I suppose, how.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
About Dwayne Wade. I think Dwayne does a decent job
to pull it off.

Speaker 9 (01:48:45):
Well, thank you, I appreciate that.

Speaker 10 (01:48:46):
Actually, in no rot, it was Dylan Brooks a last
week after they got eliminated. He was walking back out
of the arena at night, remember that, and he was
wearing the shades in the dark. So Jack can pull
it off. Dylan Brooks not so much, as we have
all since found out. As morning, Kentucky Derby favorite Forte
was scratched from the race fourte was set to go

(01:49:08):
off at three to one odds. Forte's owner, Mike Ripoli,
said that a Kentucky State horse racing Commission veterinarian scratched
Forte after a workout this morning due to a bruised
right front foot that the horse sustained earlier this week.

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
Hey, Galla's great.

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
Thanks for you guys watching gallup the gallup great.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Pale came off.

Speaker 12 (01:49:28):
They said he was off a tick. It's subjective, man,
It was not. It was not like an obvious yeah,
so fine to me. I look a lot worse than him.
I think they were overly cautious. But I have to
understand and respect the fact that they're overly cautious.

Speaker 10 (01:49:44):
That audio courtesy of WDRB Television. Rapoli went on to
express frustration about the consistency of scratching decisions from state
to state. In Game three of the NBA's Western Conference
Semifinals Friday night, Devin Booker dropped forty seven as his
Phoenix Suns defeated Denver one twenty one to one fourteen.

(01:50:04):
Denver still leads the series two games to one. Booker
was twenty out of twenty five from the field. And
Game three of the Eastern Conference semi Finals, the Boston
Celtics won at Philadelphia one fourteen to one two for
a two games to one lead and in Major League Baseball.
On Friday night, Fernando Tatis, junior of the San Diego Padres,
hit two home runs off of Clayton Kershaw and the

(01:50:26):
Padres five to two win over the Dodgers, breaking the
Dodgers six game winning streak.

Speaker 9 (01:50:32):
Fellas, let your stunning continue, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
I Low, it's Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
By the way, your Padres starting to get some wins
over there, Rich, I know you're doing your local show
in San Diego, and I'm jealous right now because my
Saint Louis Cardinals. I wish they had the Padres record,
and it's not like the Padres are crushing it right up.
My Redbirds are ten and twenty three. Yeah, what is
happening over there in Saint Louis.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
Yeah, sure, it's right, you know, to see a legacy,
traditionally great team faltering and then a team like the
Padres who has been regarded as a almost like a
feeder team for the rest of the league, like a
Triple A ball club operating as one of the thirty
MLB teams all of a sudden, with a stacked roster,

(01:51:20):
a pretty loaded up farm system, and prospects to look
pretty good for a decade. And we got the Dodgers
Series this weekend, and Fernando Tatis Junior, you know, off
the suspension for the banned substances, hits two bombs off
of Kershaw in Game one last night. It was a
pretty pretty pretty good start to the early season, to

(01:51:44):
the early season surge. I guess you would call it
because the first thirty games or so it was some good,
some bad. But they seem to be catching will fire.

Speaker 5 (01:51:52):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
We love this Padres team, Yeah, we do. They're fine.

Speaker 5 (01:51:57):
I just I don't know what the pitching will hold
up in October. That's always the issue. A couple of
head cases there, Snell being the big one. But man,
that lineup.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Do you like the Neon uniforms from last night?

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
Oh, the City Connect Jersey. It's not bad. Yeah, they're
very Miami vice, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Very much.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
So. Yeah, like the lime green helmets with the pink
I mean it just looks like, like, you know, we
flashed back to the eighties every time they put them on.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
And then when Tatis Junior is dancing, I don't know
how you describe it, where he's kind of like hopping
up and turning sort of like each direction. Yeah, in
those uniforms, it's like there are no rules. We have
no rules right now?

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
Yeah, let you you turn off the unwritten rules of baseball,
Like how could you playing beanball against a guy who's
who's dancing in a jersey like that? I mean, I
know it, I know it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:51):
Baseball is so different now, guys. I'll be honest, I
really enjoy now. I only watch usually the first innings
because I bet there's no run, yes, run first inning?

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Probably, yeah, yeah, they are.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
You want to talk about a sweat. You want to
talk about a sweat.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
First inning and there's a runner on second base, and
you're like.

Speaker 5 (01:53:10):
Oh my gosh, right right, not even that ball one
top of the first I'm like, god, it's over.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
It's done.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
I'm screwed. Like those bets are electric.

Speaker 5 (01:53:19):
But that being said, the rules of the game now
and how it's being you know, I guess the the
optics of it are a lot more entertaining. And I
think we're finally like the the the old school purists
had such a choke hold on the sport for so
many years, and now the grip is being loosen.

Speaker 4 (01:53:42):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
I think that bitch clock and more action squicker pace.
I think it's shifted the perspective. I really do, and
now it just feels way more fun. Like the truth is,
there have been fun aspects for a while, but now
that the perspective is different and it's like action action,
it feels more fun.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
So that's a good thing for baseball. I think.

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Here's the pitch.

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Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
One of Tatis Junior's two home runs yesterday, as the
Pods beat the Dodgres five to two, our producer Bo
Benson is all ticked off as a Dodgers fan that
they had a crying kershaw pick on.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
Social media after the Padres won. It's upset about does
not like that?

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
Yeah, Like I saw it flowing around on social media
and look, all of a sudden, the Padres are about that.
Smoke man, Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
They are, Yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Sorry on their video board, not on social media. On
their video board. What do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
Rich?

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Real fast, and we're busy here at the end, but
think about Oregon College football or the Memphis Grizzlies. Real
chatty teams talkative as if they've I don't know, want
a championship before, it'd be hard not to. If you've
stunk for a long time and now you're really really good,
it'd be hard not to be chatty. But uh, the

(01:56:16):
Padres they joined the chatty list as well.

Speaker 4 (01:56:19):
Yeah, listen, I like it as a fan. I think
it's interesting, you know, from our standpoint covering sports. But
I remember when I was on the field and like,
for example, I'll give you a perfect example of this.
Like say we're going against a really good pass rusher
and I got Philip Rivers, my quarterback, talking trash to
a defensive end like I don't know, von Miller, I mean,

(01:56:42):
I was the type of guy would be like could
you just like, could you just shut the hell up? Like,
I mean, that is von f and Miller over there.
I understand, Like we just scored a touchdown and you're
looking for somebody to chew out. But like that's the
wrong guy, because unlike Dylan Brooks, I'm not about hooking bears.
You know, I want to tip toe around the cave

(01:57:03):
and I know, let's let's look nice guy.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
I know I'll go out and say it, Richard the
nicest guy I know, but.

Speaker 4 (01:57:10):
Well, I mean, yeah, trust me, it wasn't nice. It
was survival.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
You're gonna say, trust me, there is a dark side
so nice so I Darth Vader.

Speaker 4 (01:57:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
It's a lot of fun here today as.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
Well, fellas time for some roundtable gambling talk over here.
What are we looking at either today, tomorrow, the weekend
in general?

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
We'll start with you, Jared, what do you like?

Speaker 5 (01:57:51):
No, I hope the Knicks win. I think the numbers
probably fair. Jimmy Butler probably back today, but we don't know,
so maybe best stay away from that if you want
to bet the pony.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (01:58:00):
I'm not gonna wax poetic about my horse expertise, but
I will say this, with all of the scratches, we're
down to now eighteen horses in the field, including the
favorite which we announced today, have some fun with this Derby.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
Last year, it was the biggest long shot in the
field that won.

Speaker 5 (01:58:13):
Nobody picked that horse, So don't just take the favorite
because they're supposed to win. Have a little fun. I'll
tell you who I'm on. I'm picking the eight horse
mage at seventeen to one. You know why because every
profit Guy made from the purse is going to be
donated to the Kentucky Cancer Center. So I love that story,
and again, have fun with the derby to day. I'm
not a horse expert, but I will be dabbling because

(01:58:34):
it's one of my favorite events to bet on every year.

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
Yeah, yeah, I like that a lot. All right, I'll
give you one. Been paying close attention to Padres, as
we discussed over the past couple segments. Here Joe Musgrove,
he's trending in the right direction after starting the season
with an injury. I think he's going to be stingy
giving up runs. Dustin May has an amazing start to
his season. I think that even though the bats have

(01:58:58):
come around recently for the Padres and the Dodgers, respectively.
I like the under on the eight and a half
total here tonight, So you know, little marine layer settling
in over the Bay there. Yeah, yeah, San diegologist Extor
might Yeah, it might be a pitcher's duel there at

(01:59:18):
Petco Park, So I'm taking the under.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
I like it well.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
The roller coaster of the playoffs so far has been
Anthony Davis of the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
He's had a.

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
Great game followed by a horrible game, and then it
just repeats, repeats.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
He's due for a great game in Game three.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
But I still can't pull the trigger on his prop
bets here for fourteen and a half rebounds.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
He might go over that. I'm not gonna go with it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:41):
I think the Lakers still double steph Curry. I'm gonna
take his assist total over five and a half. I
think he has at least six assists tonight for the Warriors.
But should be a lot of fun. Hey, enjoy your weekend,
enjoy the derby, all the hoops action. We'll catch it soon.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Have a good one.