Brian Noe and Kerry Rhodes talk NBA Cup and Damian Lillard!

Brian Noe and Kerry Rhodes talk about the NBA’s midseason tournament, the new flopping penalty, and the new replay changes coming next year. Questioning if Damian Lillard is hypocritical with his trade request, another edition of According to Monse, some NFL offseason thoughts, and more on Damian Lillard’s trade request!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:28):
To be back with you here, Carrie Rhodes in for
George Reister. I know you're an NBA guy. I know
you love you some NBA sir, sir, Yes, sir, Yeah,
you like your your Dirk Navitski, your Dallas Mavericks. Right, absolutely,
you're Chris Topsporzingis. We'll get to him going to the
Celtics in a little bit here. But are you thrilled
for this new NBA Cup? That's what they're calling this thing.

(00:51):
It's the in season tournament. There's gonna be some group play,
knockout stages, and then there's gonna be a championship on
December ninth. That is your in season NBA tournament. Are
you giddy for this thing?

Speaker 4 (01:04):
I am just confused, that's all I've kind of consumed
over the last day. I mean, it's so much information
that just came out in that one little one minute
commercial clip that they put out, and you know, Richard
Jefferson did a really good job of trying to you know,
motivate us and get us amped up about it. But

(01:25):
I don't think the players will really get, you know,
hyped up about it. I just don't see it really
taken off. And you know, obviously the World Cup we
have a lot of fun around that, but that's also
one of those things where it's an event that we're
looking forward to all around the world, and this is
just something that's kind of like a gimmick.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
It seems.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Yeah, I think it's stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I gotta be honest with you, Kerrie, and I love
the NBA, I think it's stupid. Look, man, some stuff
works for certain sports and doesn't work for others. It's
really as simple as that. And this is, like you said,
this is taken straight from European soccer season tournament. But
they don't have a playoff structure the way the NBA does.
They don't have you know, rounds and rounds and then

(02:08):
a championship they use the regular season as their postseason basically,
so the in season tournament in soccer means a whole
lot more. Yeah, I just don't like think about this,
Carrie too. What if the NBA said, you know, penalty kicks,
we should do our own version of penalty kicks in
the NBA, Like that would never work, Like not everything
that works in one sport works in another.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Like instead of a challenge, you have like a three
point shootoff and right, yeah, to consider who gets the ball,
like just all these weird delays in the game that
messes up the flow already. And yeah, it's just it's
just doesn't seem like it's gonna work. And you know, again,
these guys it's a long season too, right, and you
have all these things where you know, people they're looking
forward to those certain times to you know, heal and

(02:53):
do certain things where you're putting this little tournament out
there that's gonna you know, obviously shake it up, but
it's not gonna work, Man's not.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
No.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
And I think too the NBA really for this to
get off the ground in a good way, they need
a team that's a contender for the championship this year,
who has some prestige to win this in the first year,
because if there's a team like I don't know, say
the Clippers, who don't have an illustrious history, if they

(03:22):
win the in season tournament, they win the first NBA Cup,
it's just gonna be a punchline. It's gonna be, well,
you guys won the NBA Cup, though, you know what
I mean, Like, the NBA needs the Celtics, they need
the Lakers, they need some they need a team with
some cachet to win this, to give it a bump,
because if it's the Utah Jazz or the Pelicans, someone

(03:45):
that just all of a sudden rex shop and win
this thing, it's gonna be more of a punchline than anything.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
I agree, but also even worse about it for me,
the stats don't count towards the season, so what you know,
like there's what they're saying right now is the stats
that happened from those games won't carry over to you know,
the regular season awards or anything, so it doesn't hold
any real significance there either.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
So well, yeah, it's it counts except for the championship games,
which I don't understand at all.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
So all the group stage play counts like the final
four counts, not the championship game, though again exactly what
that I don't understand. And the other part of this is, look,
they're gonna be playing these games on Tuesdays and Friday, right,
which I think is smart, Carrie. But for anybody who's saying, oh,

(04:37):
this is gonna be big, this is going to be
maybe not first year, but the fifth year, ten years
from now, it's gonna be big. Other leagues are gonna model,
they're gonna do their own version of this.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Like, think about that for a second.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
They're not gonna go up against Monday Night Football or
Thursday Night Football. Thursday Night Football is on Amazon, it's
on Prime Video. You gotta stream this. And the numbers
went down drastically. If this was really going to be
an event, like it really had some you know, some hoots,
but behind it, I guess, you know, like why not

(05:10):
go toe to toe?

Speaker 5 (05:11):
But they're like, you know, we're.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Gonna go on Tuesday, We're gonna go on Friday, which
I think is smart. But for anybody who's envisioning this
being really big, them playing on Tuesdays and Friday should
tell you everything you need to know about how big
this realistically is going to be.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, it won't be big at all, Brian.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
And you know, like again, you know, I'm a huge
basketball fan, so I will probably tune in to see
what's going on. But it just smells like a Gammick
and it smells like just another way for the NBA
to get in households and make a little bit more money,
which obviously which is what it's about. But it doesn't
smell good at all.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
No, No, I go thumbs down on that, Brian. Now
and Carrie Rhodes with you here on Fox Sports Radio,
how about a couple other NBA changes. While we're talking
about changes, do you go thumbs up or thumbs down
on the new flopping penalty where if the officials see
the offensive player or the defensive player flopping, it's a

(06:05):
technical foul, it's a free throw and you get possession.
That's the other key part of this. I love it
in like the theory of it. But Carrie, Man, there's
gonna be controversy gal lore where, hey, Matt, you just
called a flop on I don't know, the Celtics. Why
didn't you call a flop on the sixers? Like what

(06:26):
you gotta call it both ways. That was clearly a flop,
and when you've got a free throw attached to it,
I'm just saying it's gonna lead to a lot of controversy.
I like it, yeah, but man, I think you gotta
look at what could go wrong, not what will go right.
Does that make any sense to you?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
It does no.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
I actually I actually like the rule. I like I
like them trying to take out the flopping. It's it's
become such a terrible thing for the NBA. I mean,
it's you know, you can see guys blatantly doing it
and winking at their fans or winking at their their
bench because they got away with it. So it is
something that needs to be eradicate it. But also, like
you said, it's gonna be just more more controversy around

(07:04):
the game. But that's gonna fall on the on the
on the refs man, and the on this of them
getting better because they've had some some really bad years here,
you know, back to back consecutively, so let's see if
we can get some better officiating here. But I like
the rule. I hate I hate the flopping. I think
it takes away from the game. So them trying to
fix that is a positive stuff for the game.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, it's gone too far, Like the flopping is just
gone too far, and for them to try to, you know,
get that under control, I think it's a great thing, right.
I just think man to officiate that in live time
when the penalty is that severe. We're not talking about
Carrie just this is a normal personal foul, right, and

(07:44):
that can be serious enough. We're talking about a free throw.
We're talking about one point here toward the end of
a game, and it's really close, and you're gonna make
that bold call. That's gonna be rough, man, Like, the
officials have enough on their plate.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
I'll put it this way. As a fan, I like
it a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Exactly, But as an official, yeah, I don't know what
the officials are thinking about this exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah. I mean, these guys are skilled at it.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
It's not like it's something where it's you have a
couple of flops a game. The players are blatantly doing
it on purpose to get the advantage in certain games.
So I see it being such. I see it being
the positive. But I mean the officiat needs to get
better as a whole. So hopefully they're doing their due
diligence and doing the study and just like us players
would have to do during the game to get better

(08:29):
for the week, but they're going to have to really
target the guys that do that a lot, right, do
more research and get better on their get better at
their craft, and really be aware of it because all
the guys don't do it. There are certain guys in
the NBA that are really really good at flopping, right,
So yeah, being able to eradicate that, I think that's
going to be I mean, it's going to be a
huge thing.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's got to do a good job of it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, we already have our first flop in the Summer League.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
It happened this week.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Oh yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Was during the Jazz game. And this is how it
sounded on AT and T Sports and that checked this out.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's a technical foul. Calls my first flap foul.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
That's that's yeah. That was interesting. Well, he's saying they
got hitting the champions and he didn't. I thought he
did too.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
I thought he took straight contact, but it just was
wasn't noticed by the officials.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Right, So it was bang bang, he got hit in
the face, and they called the flop and the commentators
are like, yeah, based on the replay.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
That doesn't look like a flop at all. Something like that.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Think about it, and you get a free throw, you
get possession again. I like the idea of it, but man,
there's gonna be some controversy with this.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Ryan. What would you do?

Speaker 4 (09:39):
Would you take the one free throw out or what
would you what would be the no?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
I would keep it the way they have it. I
would It's not gonna be perfect. I think things are
going to be better. I think you got to look
at things. Are they better because, like take replay for instance,
a lot of people confuse this Carrie where it's never
gonna be perfect, but is better than not having replay.
So I think it's the same thing with the flopping penalty.

(10:04):
You gotta have a penalty with some punch. It can't
be a five thousand dollars fine, you know what I mean?
If you attach a free throwt to it, that's a
legit penalty and that will slow down how much you
see flopping occur. So I think they've got it right.
It's just going to lead to some controversy.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
That's all one hundred percent. I got.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
One question is is there a review process that goes
along with it, or is it just a judgment call.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I think there should be based on that game that
you just heard the audio from the main commentator said, no,
there's not going it's not gonna be reviewable. I don't
know if that's true or not. I don't know if
that's the case. I think that's a bad set up.
It's not like imagine if this is a playoff game
and it's nip and tuck, we're tied down the stretch

(10:53):
and there's a flopping call and you can't review it
or challenge it.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
I would think you have to be able to.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
That's going to slow the game down even more, and
that will be the one thing that will be a
negative with it. That's that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Because if you have to start replaying this as well,
then that's just going to slow the game down.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
What do you think about that too? That's the other
big change. You get a second challenge. Well, I should
say they're going to vote on this this week. It's
expected to pass where teams would get a second challenge
if their first one is correct, right, I mean, I
gotta be honest with you. I don't love it.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh you don't love that one. I don't love it.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but
I look at it like this, Carrie. They haven't gotten
all the bugs worked out with the first go around here.
You know, these challenges take way too long. I don't
know why the officials on the floor are turning around
a monitor for them to look at it. It makes no
sense to me whatsoever. They should grab a headset and
secaucus figure it out right, and they tell the officials

(11:50):
what the call is.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
It takes way too long.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
They've got that goofy green light that's still blinking after
they've determined whatever the call is, and the guy's taking
free throws.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
And now we're adding more of it.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
I think you got to streamline it first, get the
bugs worked out, and then start expanding it. But if
you don't have the bugs worked out, I don't know
why you're expanding it.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I'm against you on this and b I I really
think if you get the first one correct, you shouldn't
lose your challenge. So I'm in the majority on that one.
I think it's a good rule, but I agree with you.
I mean, they do have some stuff to get worked out.
And if you're going to the replay booth, there should
be a you know, a team of people like you
said in secoll because that kind of you know, bring

(12:33):
that judgment in and you move on and get going,
not all the referees having to look at it, because
that makes no sense at all.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
I don't get that, yeah at all. Yeah, it's so outdated.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I know.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
It's like, I want to go see it next. Can
I see the monitor as well?

Speaker 3 (12:47):
For any official in twenty twenty three to go to
the scorer's table, grab a monitor, flip it around and
start watching replays, Like why they don't do that in baseball?
L He actually has this worked out right where if
a play is challenged, there aren't umpires on the field
that are looking at any monitor. They're not doing They're

(13:08):
grabbing a headset and they're being told what the call
is from somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
That's the way it should be in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I agree. I agree on that one for sure.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we got a lot to do here.
We got some ball to discuss. Ball means football of
course in my book. We got some ball topics hoops
as well, Hoops on the mind.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Coming up next, a little bit of a hodgepodge.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Is this man already the most scrutinized player in his sport.

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(14:45):
So uh, quite the reaction to Victor Weinbinyama's summer league debut,
Carrie Rhoads, that sentence just sounds ridiculous. Huge reaction to
his summer league debut, But that's exactly what we have.
He scored nine points. He was two for thirteen from
the field, so not a great debut. He even this

(15:08):
is what caught headlines after the game.

Speaker 9 (15:10):
He had this to say, Honestly, I didn't really know
what I was doing on the court tonight, but it's
you know, I'm trying to learn for the mixed games,
and the important is to be ready for the season.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I don't know what I was doing on the court.
Hey look, man, he's nineteen years old. You got to
give it a little bit of time. He got a
bunch of flak from the photo shoot where he missed
a bunch of jumpers and he's just under the microscope
like crazy. The first part of this is take a
deep breath, give it some time. He's nineteen years old.
He's not going to be a finished product right out
of the gate. I have no issue with him struggling

(15:43):
to begin with, and I'm not freaking out about it whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Right, He's a guy that you know, he was super
hyped coming in. I mean, he's the second coming of
you know, Lebron, and all these people have had these
conversations about him being the highest rated prospect coming into
the league since Lebron. Right, so that's going to be there.
I think the Summer League is obviously a setup for
a guy like him, where he's played in the league

(16:12):
that is different than this one. And so you come
into this game it's a little bit more physical obviously,
and you know, he just needs to settle down and
play basketball.

Speaker 9 (16:21):
Man.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
I saw a conversation where he was having a conversation
with Carmelo in the tunnel, and Carmelo said, just enjoy
Vegas and play basketball. Just hoop, take out, take out
all the other things, all the other you know, distractions,
and just play. I mean, you're the number one player
for a reason, So just do that, man. And I
think he'll be fine, But it sucks when your first

(16:44):
game over here is that and So, I mean, it
could have been the second game, it probably wouldn't have
been the problem, but the fact that it was the
first one makes it tough.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
It is interesting, right where you think about whatever your
first job, like first major job was, Chances are the
scrutiny wasn't as great. For most people, that would be
the case. They aren't as highly touted as Victor wembin Yama.
They might have an occupation that a lot of people
don't don't view or watch or pay much attention to,

(17:17):
where even if it's like a like a let's take
radio for instance, right like, you're not gonna get absolutely
crushed for just like one shaky show, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
So what you say, Well, that's true, I guess. I
guess the door can be opened slightly right there.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
But chances are more than not that whatever the equivalent
of a Summer League performance is, it's not gonna be
dissected the way it is with wem bin Yama.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
This is just it comes with the territory.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Now, this is the heart of the conversation, Carrie, do
you think that web bin Yama already is the most
scrutinized NBA player? Now it's not just the here and now,
but we're anticipating when the regular season rolls around. And
it might sound like knee jerk, but I think he
is who else it put it this way, if Lebron

(18:13):
goes out there and is two for thirteen in his
first game, it's gonna get a lot of talk. There'd
be other stars where there'd be a lot of talk.
But with wen bin Yama being brand new, not knowing
for sure that he's a can't missstud, he's got can't
miss hype. We don't know for sure that he's a
can't missstud yet until he proves it. So I don't

(18:36):
think there's another player where we would react the same
way and be like, oh my gosh, and some people
are thinking the heavens are falling. I think he's more
scrutinized than anybody right now.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
To be honest, I would agree with that, and I
would agree with that solely for the reason that we're
in the age now where everything's magnified anyway. We're in
this social media aerial era where even Lebron, when he
came in as hyped as he was, you know, we
had to cover as all the things social media still
wasn't as rampant as it is now. So I mean
there were people that didn't know who Lebron was. I

(19:07):
feel everybody in the world right now knows who this
kid is. He's a nineteen year old kid that's coming
over to the States that's supposed to be basketball savior, right,
this new guy that can change the game. And you know,
obviously we've seen other players I feel that are in
that same mold with him. But you know, the projection
that he's getting the words and all the accolades that

(19:30):
he's already kind of coming over here with built ten,
it's gonna be tough for him, and I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, I think if you expand that and think about
some of the players that are highly scrutinized on the
short list of most scrutinized players, think about what we
see now with the Phoenix Suns. You know, with Kevin Durant,
is he going to be able to win a championship?
Bradley Beal comes over there. I think when Jahn Morant
comes back from suspension, right, he's going to be highly,

(19:59):
highly scrutinized. Anthony Davis is always highly scrutinized with the Lakers.
So there are a lot of players that are definitely
under the microscope. But man, I just think that that
spotlight is as bright as it can be with wem
Bin Yama because there's that unknown and when we're talking
about the regular season, when that rolls around, I think
it's just gonna carry forth because it's one thing for

(20:22):
wem Bin Yama to get dunked on by Kay Jones
whoever that guy is, right, it's another thing for him
to get dunked on by aknown dude like a known commodity,
and that's just gonna get even more headlined. So yeah,
I think wem Ben Yama he is going to be
talked about and looked at closer than anybody else for
the first at least half of the regular season. If

(20:45):
the Spurs fall out of contention and then we start
paying his close attention, I could see that happening, but
at least for the first half.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Initially, I think he's the guy.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Brian.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
We live in the world now where people want to
see people fall and fail, right, So you get on
the pedestal, they're always trying to nip and tucket that
to bring you down. So he's in that position right now.
And I to be honest, if he had a pretty
good year this year and averaged eighteen points and nine rebounds,

(21:15):
he'd be a failure. So that's how high the bar is.
And so it's gonna be tough for him.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Man.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
And how about this too, Greg Popovich. He'll be coaching
when min Yama for the next five years. At least
he got a five year extension. Pop did, and we're
talking to the tune of more than eighty million dollars.
The funny thought I had was, is this the NBA's
way of saying we can't have money? Williams as the
highest paid head coach. I mean, good lord, he just
got fired by the Suns. He's coaching the Pistons. Maddy

(21:42):
Williams got a six year, seventy eight and a half
million dollar deal. Now Pop gets five years eighty plus
million dollars. But how about Pop It looked like they
missed the playoffs for the last four seasons after making
it twenty two straight years, Carrie, and it looked.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Like, oh okay, his career is sort of gonna fade off.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
And then they win the lottery, and now they have
win ben Yama and now he's got a new five
year extension. Pop has a legitimate chance to walk on
out of the NBA on a high note. I don't
know if it's winning a championship high note, but if
wem ben Yama is the real deal, that is not
out of the question.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Oh, no question.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
I mean if history repeats itself. I mean, when they
got Tim Duncan, they changed their franchise with Pop, and
I'm sure they're you know, bringing that same philosophy on
board with this pick as well. And you know, we've
seen what he can do. We've seen what he can
do with teams that are aging and all the things.
So I mean, he's such a great coach and he's
one of the best and best to ever do it.
This is gonna be a tall challenge. The West is

(22:40):
totally different. It's not as wide open as it used
to be, meaning there are so many really, really really
good teams ahead of them right now. But in a
five year span, there's no telling what those guys can do.
And you know they'll start getting adding on to what
they have and move forward. But yeah, I wouldn't put
anything in past Pop as far as succeeding.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I wouldn't put any pasted our own, Monzy Bolangos, me
neither as far as likely to succeed, you know what
I mean. And she's gonna do it again right here,
Manzy Bolanos with.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
The latest guys. Hello, happy Sunday. Happy to be hanging
out with you and your Cardinals.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
One about times good.

Speaker 8 (23:19):
You know, I don't normally mention a last place team
when they're gonna win, but if I'm working with you, Brian,
I'm gonna mention it.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
I appreciate h I got you.

Speaker 8 (23:29):
They beat the White Sox for three and ten innings.
I mean, listen, we gotta mention it. Well, it was
also extra innings, right, But we have to mention the
Rays because they snapped a seven game losing streak. They
beat the best team in baseball, the Braves, ten to
four was the final score.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
But Atlanta does have a new franchise record.

Speaker 8 (23:45):
They have homered in twenty six straight games, and I'm.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
Not surprised about that.

Speaker 8 (23:50):
The way they're hitting and scoring, it's like, yeah, that
sounds accurate.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
But they did lose today the Brewers.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
They edged the Reds one zero, so Milwaukee is now
one game back of Cincinnati. For the top spot in
the nl Central. The Marlins had a seven to three
victory over the Phillies. But what we really care about
is their second basement. Luis Arees, how is his batting average?
He went zero for four today, so his batting average
is three eighty three.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Oh so low. Come on, Luis, you gotta get up there.
That is not what we want.

Speaker 8 (24:18):
Currently going on in Major League Baseball, the Pirates are
beating the Diamondbacks three to two, top of the sixth
inning in Arizona, Manny Machado launched a three run homer,
and the Padres are beating the Mets at home three zero,
top of.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
The fifth inning.

Speaker 8 (24:30):
Giants holding on to a one run lead over the
Rockies one zero bottom of the seventh inning. In the NBA,
we're talking about Greg Popovich. Yeah, he's not going anywhere.
The winging winning a coach in NBA history has a
new five year deal with the San Antonio Spurs worth
more than eighty million dollars. Greg four President, pop for President,

(24:50):
That's what I'm gonna say. Bleacher Report is saying that
Isaiah Thomas is setting up a private workout for multiple
NBA teams in Las Vegas, tomorrow. Mark Medina just tweet
did we love him here at Fox Sports Radio?

Speaker 5 (25:02):
That Rob Polinka.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
He's currently at in Vegas, probably talking to Rob Polinka
right now, But apparently the Lakers are looking to add
an additional center to their roster.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
They currently only have two open spots. Let's check in
with Wimbledon.

Speaker 8 (25:15):
Novak Djokovic won his first set and he's currently tied
right now in his second set at six games apiece
in a tiebreaker, so he's having a tougher time in
this match round of sixteen. But earlier today just Pagoula,
she dominated her around. She's headed to the quarterfinals, and so.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Did IgA Sviantek. Also, yeah, they're both at it.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
I know I had months I did you?

Speaker 8 (25:42):
No, I did you should have because she's awesome, She's
actually really really good. So they're both at it over
there and checking in right real quick. John deear Classic
Today is the final round. Sepstraca is in the lead
at twenty one under par. Brendan Todd is only two
shots back, tied for second place with Alex Guys. It's
a busy day, even though it's not. We're in an

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off season, but it's kind of busy.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
To you guys day although it's not it doesn't make
perfect sense.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
I absolutely know what you're saying right now, guys, I
still didn't tell you everything. But what about you know
I'm not gonna be here for ten minutes. I still
didn't tell you everything. I got more to say later,
but you.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Know, we'll check in later, no doubt, and we'll check
you in here in about what fifteen minutes? Not even
According to Monster, there we go, O, my goodness, she's ready.
You ever see you know, you ever watched like the
Triple Crown. You see the horse races there, Carrie, You
ever see the horses in like the starting gait and

(26:40):
sometimes they're a little bit wild and you're like.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
Oh whoa, whoa.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Whoa like and they're just going, like moving around. I
feel like that's Moncey right before. According to Mancy, oh no, no,
she's ready.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Freaking wall is rolling right now.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
Yes, yes, none of the like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
I didn't even have coffee today.

Speaker 8 (27:00):
Imagine if I did, oh man, yeah, who knows what
I would have said to you.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Brian and the other I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, I was like, I can't even repeat it. I
was like off air, I'm like, hey, we're doing according
to Monsey today right, and.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Andrew Dice, she took she took my mic.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Nice Clay doesn't have a mouth the way Moncey does.

Speaker 10 (27:20):
Holy, so you should be more impressed that I handle
it so well.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
When my mic is on, it's all of a sudden,
like in my brain it's switch. It's a switch. It's
it's like, stop it no more.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
It is Tasmanian up until until up until right, Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
Right, Thank you, Moncey.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Brian Dough and Carrie Roads here on Fox Sports Radio,
We're coming to you live from the tire rack dot
Com studios.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
I was thinking about this too, Carrie.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Where you think about wembin Yama making his summer league
debut and when the regular season rolls around, who he's
going up against and how difficult that's going to be.
Where you think about the guys like nicolea jokicch you
think about Black and Horns with the player from the
Eastern Conference in Joel Embiid, who's the reigning MVP. Think

(28:08):
about a guy like Karl Anthony Towns in the West, right,
like that dude's a skilled player.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, it's gonna be really tough.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
And so if you expand that and you think about
the NFL, I think the toughest thing to do is
to be a rookie quarterback and to try to hit
the ground running. But what would be the second toughest
position in your mind to be where it's like, hey,
you're a left tackle coming out black Nick Bosa, you
know what I mean? Like black Miles Garrett, Oh, you're

(28:36):
a cornerback. Okay, lockdown Tyreek Hill or Jamar Chase or whoever.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Like, what would you say is the second toughest position
to enter the NFL as a rookie you and try
to thrive?

Speaker 4 (28:49):
You just named it. It's the cornerback. Yeah, you especially
in this day and age right now, the game is
so wide open. They're being put on on islands, so
to speak, and you know they got to learn really fast,
and so definitely that I would say corner Obviously, you
can just tell him to go lock a man up
or lock a side up if you have a really
good guy, like a Sauce Gardener right that came in

(29:09):
last year really ready to play. But it doesn't work
for everybody that way. And I think you know, the
expectations with those guys coming in, you know, having those
monikers or being labeled as a lockdown guy to come
into the league and try to do that on a
consistent basis is just it's it's a it's a super
tough ask and it doesn't happen, you know, with them
by themselves obviously there it's a defensive game planning, a

(29:32):
defensive scheme, but you know that position, you have to
go out and make plays and make stops on a
on a regular basis, and it's hard to do.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Man.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
And think about that too, where you mentioned him, Sauce
Gardner r. He comes in, he was on the All
Pro team, you know, like he's not just a Pro bowler,
he's on the even more elite All Pro team as
a rookie. That that's insane the level that he competed
at with the Jets, like season and they had both Offen,

(30:01):
they had the offensive Rookie of the Year and Garrett
Wilson and the defensive rookie of the year in Sauce
Gardner like that, that is a win win for Joe
Douglas to GM over there.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
They're going to be really good, man, Those guys are,
and they seem to still be hungry as well. I know,
when you see a lot of guys have that immediate success,
it's kind of hard to stay humbled, and especially for
those guys they're in New York City, which you know,
I know, I have a little experience with that, right
I know how how fun that can be. And if
I can toot my own horn for one second, you know,
I was a All Pro player of my second year,

(30:32):
so I got a taste of what that feels like.
And so I know that for a guy like Sauce man,
he's being you know, hanging out with Jessica alb at
the garden and stuff like that. So just being able
to stay level headed and come out and perform after that,
it's going to be it's gonna be exciting to see
how he has that second year bounce.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Man, I'll tell you what life is good when you're
an NFL All Pro as a rookie and you're like,
I didn't even know who Jessica Allen was.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
I was like, Sauce, I do all right, I know,
I feel like we all do exactly. Sauce was in
the dark on that one, but man, that was hilarious
real fast going back to your glory days, Carrie, from
your rookie year, especially the beginning of your rookie year
compared to your second year. Being all bro your second
year is a great accomplishment, But what was it like

(31:24):
year two compared to year one and just trying to
not only fit in but be a playmaker?

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yeah, year one was very very interesting. I in the preseason,
I was all world. Obviously, we're playing against guys that are,
you know, rookies coming in or guys that are trying
to scrap to make the team, and so I was
I saw my level. I knew I was good enough
on that level to perform. I performed really well. I
think I layed the NFL and interceptions in the preseason,
I had like three, So I was like, this.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Is going to be easy.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
The week one we played the Kansas City Chiefs and
the Arrowhead and that's when they were humming. I mean,
Tony Gonzalez, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, all the big front,
all the guys, Larry Allen, all those guys up front,
and I was scared. I was like, this isn't the same.
I mean I made I made the I was a
first team All Rookie team. I made that, but my

(32:15):
performance wasn't on that same level. So I knew coming
into the second season, I just had to really study
the game. I knew athletica I could do it, but
now I had to get to that mental approach where
I was a step ahead of those guys, and so
really just focus on the mental part of it, really studying,
really knowing my opponents, and came back in that second
second season and thrived.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
No, man, that's great. I'll pick your brain throughout the
show because I have seventy five at least follow up
questions for what you just laid out right there. But
a little bit later, next hour, we'll get to I
thought this was interesting. Richard Sherman, the former cornerback. He
said he knew when it was time to retire. He
was guarding Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Davonte Smith. So you'll

(32:58):
hear the audio, but you know, you think about your
welcome to the NFL moment and your I need to
leave the NFL moment, you know, like which is more sobering.
We'll get to that next hour. We are all fired
up for, according to Manci, coming up next. She'll have
three subjects. She will have three strong opinions, and we

(33:21):
will see if we disagree, if we disagree, if we
can make a better argument, or she can be.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Swayed at all.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Chances are probably not, but we'll see how it unfolds.
That's on the way. I'm Brian No, he's carry roads.
Keep it locked right here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm
Brian No, He's carry roads here on Fox Sports Radio.
I have inside souruses Carrie that have informed me that
you are rocking out to some Britney spears right now.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Oh that is correct, that is you know something, Okay, yeah,
a little bit, a little bit there.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
By the way, hey, before we get to our award
winning segment here in just a second, what did you
make of the whole wem Bean Yama security detail and
the Britney spears.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Did you see the video of that?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I did?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, yeah, I did.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
It's unfortunate, actually, I mean, he's not Those guys weren't
trying to cause any bodily harm to miss Spears. And
you know, obviously she was excited to meet him, and
you know, so many others are as well.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
But it was just unfortunate more than anything.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, Britney's going through enough right now, when you know,
when beya when ben Yama has so much going on too,
So let's kind of get get away from that. I
think hopefully she's okay and let's move on.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Yeah, yeah, I hope she's all right.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
And you know, I get it, Yeah, you shouldn't be
smacking people around, but I don't know that's what it was.
You know, she ran up on Wemby and kind of
tapped him on the on the back, and a security
person kind of put their arm out. I don't know
if that was just a backhanded slap to the It
was kind of like a whoa, whoa, whoa whoa that
type of thing. But yeah, I don't think there's gonna

(35:04):
be any charges and we move on with life based
absolutely right. Yeah, yeah, okay, we move on to this.
Let's dive in some according to Manzi.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Corrin and now it's time.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
For absolutely that's it's like.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
To be pretty according to Mansi.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I love it, okay.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
According to Manzi, the focus is on the wrong rookie
in the end.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
According to Monsey, yes.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
That's yeah, double down on that, guys.

Speaker 8 (35:32):
All I've been hearing about is Victor when Manyama a
little bit of Scoothanderson and a little bit of Brandon Miller,
who actually was just four of seventeen playing against the Lakers.
I agree with what you were saying that when Manyama
is being way too criticized for one game in summer League.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Agree with that, but that's not really the point that
I'm trying to make.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
I just don't get how we are not talking about
chet Holmgren. Chet Holmgren is seven to one. Chet Holmgren
has been watching the NBA from the sideline for one
whole seat. And his first game back in Salt Lake,
the first like start of the Summer League, it wasn't great.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
I think he airballed a very close like finger roll.

Speaker 8 (36:08):
He got in the groove and by now you could
see that sitting on the sideline has really progressed.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
His game just by doing nothing. He's also put on weight.
You can see a little bit of more muscle.

Speaker 8 (36:20):
I think when he came into the league he was
under two hundred pounds. Now he's over two hundred pounds.
His performance last night in Las Vegas five of ten
shooting sixteen points, ten rebounds, three assists, two steals. He
also had a very Lebron esque block from behind on
a drive. And I don't know how we are not
talking about him when he is a seven to one

(36:40):
footer Victor wm Banyama seven to five. But this guy
is very similar and everything we're saying Wemby can do, ched.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Holmgren can do that as well. And here we are
not mentioning him when I'm calling it now. He's gonna
be the rookie of the year.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
According to Monsey.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
What do you think, Brian?

Speaker 5 (37:00):
You know, I get it.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I get maybe we're sleeping on Shedding a little bit
too much. I'm totally down with that, but there's no
way he should.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
Be more hyped up than ween Bin Yama.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
You know, you know what, I actually I agree with
Mancy a little bit here. It's one of those things where,
you know, like the the Ben Simmons and d NB
thing when they have that year to sit and really
get that that NBA game under the belt, and you
know they come out swinging the year too ready to go.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
So she has a point there.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, I think, hey, listen, I might bet on chet
because she's not a point, but the best prospect since
Lebron that's Wemby.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
It's not Chet and he was banged up all last season.
He's a little bit too.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Much out of sight, out of mind, So I get
why he's not over hyped, but substance wwise. Yeah, I'm
gonna look at that Rookie of the Year market. I'll
tell you that much though.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Absolutely well according to Moncy. According to Monson, Bo Benson
is onto something.

Speaker 8 (37:56):
That's right, Bo take it away.

Speaker 11 (37:59):
Yesterday during the Jonas Knox Show, Uh, Jonas was talking
about the h the power of Las Vegas as a
sporting city and how this second guy, everybody needs to
get out there. The NBA, the MLB, the Oakland Days
are obviously gonna move there soon.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (38:13):
I have a theory that the NBA is ready to pounce,
and I know exactly how it's gonna happen. That sounded
really inappropriate. Yeah, And Lebron James. Lebron James is going
to retire in two years. He is going to join
an ownership group with himself, Rich Paul Magic Johnson. I
believe Michael Jordan just sold his share of the Charlotte Hornets.
You're gonna see a coalition of guys group together by

(38:36):
a team, get him into Vegas, and then you're gonna
have an NBA team in Las Vegas. And because of that,
you're gonna have an NBA team in Seattle bringing the
Super Sonics back. Uh, you can thank me when this
all happens in two years time. God that I guarantee
you that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 8 (38:49):
I was like, I was like, we're gonna put on
the record you're gonna do according to Montie and say
all this.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
So are are we going to see MJN Lebron going
to ownership?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I think so.

Speaker 11 (39:01):
Of the monse I think so, okay, I'm a little
moisture right now.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Where did you get this information? But it sounds like
you might be might have a pipeline of information. You
just it's it's reading the tea leaves. We all know
the sources of that. He made it up.

Speaker 11 (39:17):
Lebron wants to own a team and Vegas. He's always
talked about Vegas, and uh, that'll be around the time
that Browny and and Bryce are are getting ready to
be in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
So the tracks a.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
Little tag team according to Monci right there, I like it.

Speaker 11 (39:31):
According to Monsey, all right, real quick, here. According to Manci,
the WNBA is doing something right.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
You guys.

Speaker 8 (39:37):
I just went to a Las Vegas Aces game thinking
that there was going to be six of us in
the crowd and that I was going to be able
to talk to kandas Parker.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
It was a sold out crowd, sold out.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
There were even chants like in the fans like there's
a little culture going on.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Guys.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
WWA, you go were they chanting?

Speaker 12 (39:53):
Moncei Jewish?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
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Man Carrie. So there's this guy, Ellie Dela Cruz for
the Cincinnati Reds and he is a highlight machine and
he stole home yesterday. Reds won yesterday, they lost today,
they lost one nothing. But yesterday he stole second, stole third,

(40:40):
and then stole home. He stole his way around the bases,
which is unreal. And this is the way it sounded
on Bally Sports, Ohio. Now listen to the call of
him stealing home. The description got me thinking, here, it
is the most thrilling man in baseball. Okay, so we'll

(41:12):
look around the sports landscape. Here, we'll go baseball, We'll
turn it to the NFL. We'll look at the NBA.
The most thrilling, not necessarily the best, not necessarily the
top guy, but the most thrilling. When I think of that,
I think, if I'm going to the game, who's going
to make me say wow, the most Right?

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Who is that guy?

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Would you say it's Ellie de la Cruz or would
you go with the guy like show Hey Otani or
anybody else.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
If you're looking at baseball, who is the most thrilling
man in the sport?

Speaker 4 (41:50):
He is thrilling one hundred percent. You don't see that
often in the game anymore, you know, Like if you
take it back to somebody that I would compare De
la Cruz two at the moment, it would be like
a Ricky Henderson, right, I mean, Ricky Henderson was in
the game and in his prime, you were paying to
watch him play. I mean, you know that he could
change the game even if he's having a bad day

(42:11):
at the plate. If he gets a walk and gets
on base, it's trouble for the opposing team, right, So
that's kind of the field I get with Cruz, but
it's it's definitely Otani. I mean, the stuff that he's
doing right now from a pitching standpoint and from the
Badden stand point, it's just we haven't seen that. So
I would definitely go Otani. When it comes to overall exciting.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
I would too.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I would go with Otani because think of it this way,
and it's a close race, I believe because de la
Cruz is.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Electron, he really is.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
But I'm thinking if I go to the game, I
might be able to find a player that can hit
like de la Cruz, that can steal home like de
la Cruz, that can do it with the flare of
de la Cruz. I can see that with some other players, right,
there's nobody doing what shoe Hey.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Otani is doing.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
And especially if you go to the game on a
day where he's pitching and hitting and doing it with style,
that's just it's unprecedented. He just got to one hundred
hits this year, so he's got one hundred hits and
over one hundred strikeouts. He's done that the last three seasons,
this one included. No one's ever done that in the
history of the game.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
He seems like the kid that was just better than
everybody since he was since he was two, you know,
like he's he has that or about him, even though
he's very chill and he's not like one of those
guys that he's walking around trying to get the attention.
He's just really good at everything he does. And so
to see it kind of manifest on the daily basis

(43:45):
every time he's up to play, it's it's remarkable.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Both those players. They're great for baseball. We could put
it that way, yes, sir. Where MLB is winning big
time with show Hey, Ellie Dayla cruz Man and we
just talked about a little bit in the first hour
how difficult it is to hit the ground running when
you become a pro.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
We talked about that with the NFL.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
The toughest positions quarterback, cornerback, to go from college to
thriving immediately in the pros man you think about facing
big league pitching for Ellie dla Cruz and he's been
sensational so far. He's hitting well over three hundred in
his first thirty games as a twenty one year old.
You know, yeah, and for show hated not just face

(44:33):
big league pitchers when he's hitting, but to face big
league hitters while he's pitching.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
That that is mind blowing type stuff right there.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
How about the NFL carry if we look there again,
not the best quarterback or player, but the most thrilling.
Who's the guy that if you go to the game,
he's gonna make you say wow, the most or the loudest,
you know what I mean? Ye or you know who
would you pay to watch in person that type of thing?
Who would you say is the most thrilling?

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Oh man, that's a tough one. I'm the most thrilling.
I'm gonna have to go with with my little protege
and and and and my all you know, my Alma
Martive buddy. That's Lamar Jackson, right if he if he's
if he's healthy, he's must see TV. He's somebody that can,
you know, take a normal shotgun snap and take eighty

(45:26):
yards on a run and also can do that in
the year as well, and so he'd be the guy
that I would go pay to watch a football game with,
even though I don't have to do.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
That, that would be the one that I would do it.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
Wait a minute, you don't have to pay for any game, Carrie.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
No, no, no no.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Do you have the hook Cup for non NFL players
like me? That's what I really needed.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Brian will discuss off the air. I don't want people
call me saying give me tickets.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
Yeah, okay, you go.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
You go see this guy John, Just tell him your
Harry Rose exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
Fine.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I had two dudes on my list, Carrie. I had
Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes. And I'm not saying these
are the only two thrilling players in the league. There
are lots of them. You could go with a guy
like Tyreek Hill is a thrilling wide receiver. There are
plenty of talented dudes. I would go Patrick Mahomes and
I think that's number one. I would probably put Lamar

(46:19):
Jackson number two, just in terms of thrilling. You're gonna
see something that those guys are gonna do where Mahomes
is gonna drop his arm, he's gonna create something.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
He's gonna do a Pirouett.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
He's gonna do a Kareem abdul Jabbar skyhook to Clyde
Edwards zlayer. It's gonna be like, how did he do that? So, yeah,
I look at Mahomes, I'd put him number one. But
in terms of just the playmaking, raw athleticism of Lamar Jackson,
I think those guys are one two in the thrilling category.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, I I had Pat number two.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
I mean, and it can go either way, it's not
I don't think it's we should probably say one A,
one B either one either one. You'll pay to go see.
And you know, Patrick Mahomes is the best player in
the league right now, Allen. He's been that ways, I
mean for the last three four years, and so yeah,
I mean he's the guy that you want to you
pay to go see as well.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
How about defensive players, where you think about Mikah Parsons,
you think about Nick Bosa is a lot of fun
to watch, Aaron Donald, Aaron Donald for sure, Sauce Gardner.
If you're looking for a defensive back, yep Man, I
think Michah Parsons is he's an absolute He's like the
Tasmanian devil. We were talking about that too. He is

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a defensive Tasmanian devil out there.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Ryan.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
The one thing I've talked about this for like the
probably last five years or so, but Aaron Donald is
the best defensive player I've ever seen. Yeah, and I've
been around some good ones, right, I've been around some
Hall of famers, So to see what he can do
on the daily basis and see how much havoc he
wrecks on offenses, it's just I've never seen it before.
And so you know, he's one of those guys that

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whenever he hangs it up, he'll be in the Hall
of Fame right away and we'll remember the stuff that
he did during his time planning forever.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, if we turn it to the NBA present day,
we're all looking at present day stuff. I probably should
have said that initially, but.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
I'm glad you picked up what.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
I got it right there.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
But yeah, just in today's NBA when we're looking at
thrilling players, again, not necessarily the best, but either just
raw athleticism, skill is off the charts. There's something there's
just an eye catching element to them where you say, wow,
who would be that guy for you?

Speaker 5 (48:33):
In the NBA.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
I mean, it's it's kind of tough to say right
now with all the stuff that he's going through, but
that's it has to be John Morant, right. Every time
he plays, he's doing something ridiculous on the court, and
his athleticism is just it's not matched by any and
to say that, you know about a league that's full
of athletes, to say that he's the top athlete is
just you know, when you can single out somebody in

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that field as being the top athlete, you know they're
doing something exciting. So that's that's him.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
No, you're about that when you can the most athletic
NBA player, that's whoa that's sayings. That is absolutely saying something.
I think that Jaw was on my list. The other
dude I had at the top of my list was
Steph Curry. Of course, now not the raw athleticism obviously,
but skill is off the charts. The three point shooting,

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that ability, like what he does. You see these pregame
shooting routine videos, Like some of the things that he's doing,
he's literally not missing a shot.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Then at the end.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Will like bounce the ball and it'll go like thirty
feet in the air and go in and stuff like that.
It's I think that Steph Curry doing it also as
long as he has. Yeah, And I think there's something
there too where if you go to the game, think
of it this way. You go to a game, you're
watching Steph Curry, There's something there. There's an element of
like this is a four time champion, you know what

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I mean, Like this is basketball royalty that I'm watching
like his racally and also tonight, like right here, right now.
So I think that the skill of the dribbling ability
mixed with the unbelievable three point shooting ability, I would
put Steph Curry at the top of the thrilling list.
But I totally hear you on John Moran, that dude,

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what he does finishing close to the rim and athletically
and you're actually shooting the ball a lot better in
the playoff loss to the Lakers in that series loss.
But man, if he can develop an outside shot mixed
with what he has athletically, man, that guy is gonna
and obviously get it straight off the court as well. Right,
He's gonna be even more unbelievable than he has been

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on the court so far.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Brian I agree with you on Steph Curry too. You're right.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
I mean, there is a an aura about him that
you know, we get, we get. I don't think we
get enamored enough by it as a whole. But when
you see him play, you know you're gonna expect something,
you know, something great to happen. Not a bit, right,
But let me throw one more person in that hat
as well. I know a lot of people have their

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thoughts about him and feel a certain way about him,
but another guy that must see TV when it comes
to that.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Is Kyrie Irving as well. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Right, the stuff that he does as a finisher, I mean, yeah,
it's like poetry watching him play.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
It is, you know, it's funny.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
I went to it was a MAVs Pacers game this
past season, and so Kyrie was there and I was
telling my girl, she's not huge into sports. I'm trying
to convert her, carry I'm doing everything I can't. I'm like,
I was telling her about Kyrie and I'm like, this
dude's game is beautiful, Like it's poetry. And I'm like

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he's a head case. Don't get me wrong, but yeah,
but his game is just gorgeous and in that same game,
a guy like Luka Doncic. He had this pass Carrie
where I can't even do it justice. He was falling
out of bounds and he just whips the ball as
he's falling out of bounds all the way along the baseline.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Perfect pass, sets up a guy. He makes the shot.
It was unreal.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
But I think that Kyrie is a little bit more
thrilling because he's more athletic. Yeah, Jokic is thrilling also,
but he's a lot more boxy, you know what I mean,
he doesn't have the raw athletic ability. He's a little
bit more like a guard version of Jokic, you know,
where those guys are so effective, but they don't have

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that that thrilling sort of like wow. Fact more so
Jokic than Luca. But I think you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Oh yeah, you're one hundred percent right. I think there's
we talk about flash or I mean, Luca has flash
in his game, Jokic as well, but the way it
looks in the way the and the way the presentation
is kind of put in your face. With the with
the Kyrie or Jah Moran or Steph Curry, it's just
a little different it is.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
It's so different. Think about how jaw blows by a defender.
It looks so different than Luca. He'll make a move.
He's quicker than it looks. Yes, but he'll get you
on the on his hip and it's a rap. There's
nothing you can do.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
It's over.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
You know what it is, Brian, It's that whole effect
of the common person at home watching the game on TV.
I think that some of them really believe that they
can do what Luca or Jokis does because it looks
it doesn't look as crazy, right, But when you see
a Steph or Kyrie or a Jahn Morant do what
they do, no normal person at home thinks they can

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do that.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
That's true, right now. That's a good way to look
at that. But yeah, good stuff. If you want to
hit us up, feel free to do so. At the
No Show at Carrie twenty five Roads. We're looking at
the most thrilling players in each of the major sports NBA, NFL, MLBUD.
My list would be show heyo, Tanni, Patrick Mahomes, Steph Curry,

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you would go show heyo, Tany, Lamar Jackson, Jahn Morant.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
Those are two really.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Who'd win that?

Speaker 4 (54:03):
In three NBC show about just all all Sports, who
would win that?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I like that Otani is facing himself, you know, because
we have him on both of our lists.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
I would go, I would go advantage me.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
It's advantaged me because although Lamar Jackson is thrilling, yeah, now,
he's not close to Patrick Mahomes in terms of the
numbers that he puts up and the consistency factor. It's
the same thing with job versus Steph. So if it's
just thrilling, that's a different discussion. But if it's you know,
like who would just start your team around, it's advantage

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No in that category, Carrie, I gotta be honest.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I'll give you that. I'll give you that. Hey, we
we'll be exciting though.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
It'll be completely exciting, there's no doubt about that. All right,
come it up next, we gotta get to this guy.
The good guy has gone full nWo from face to heel.
We'll dive into that. We are live here from the
Tirac dot Com studios. I'm Brian know he's carry Rhoads.
This is Fox Sports Radio. I'm Brian No, he's Carry

(55:08):
Rhoads here on Fox Sports Radio. We're coming to you
live from the tirac dot Com studios. Now, would you
rock this out or Britney Spears right now?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
It's not even close. No, nope, Carothin Queen.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Yeah, I don't know all the words right now, I
know the I know the hook though.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Just do like, just do the melody and everybody knows.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
And get into my car exactly. No, this is this
is it right here.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
This is the jam. I got you, man, I got you.

Speaker 9 (55:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
If it's between this Brittany and say, like, uh, heavy
metal band Lamb of God, does that sway it to
the Lambs or no?

Speaker 4 (55:52):
No, no way, No, this is just so smooth. I
can just see myself right now with a big fro
and a thick mustache and just smoking a cigarette, which
I don't do. But I just see it all. I
see that it paints the picture very well.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I randomly thought of the former safety Donovan Darius.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah, and he.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Used to he was a hard hitter, right, I know
you remember him. But of course he used to listen
to classical music all the time before games and in
his off time because it was so chaotic on the field.
He just liked classical music. When you were getting ready
to go on the field. What are you rocking out to.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
The same thing? Really classical, but this isn't you know,
there's a lead up to that.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Now.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
I will still listen to all my stuff and you know,
getting my I guess my juiced stage of you know that,
you know, getting that adrenaline going. But right before the game,
I would listen to a little a little jazz, a
little classical music to calm down because again I was
a I was a captain at the time, and I
had to relay so many messages on the field.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I wanted to be in control. So yeah, yeah, man,
that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
I read a piece on Max Crosby just a couple
of days ago, and it was really interesting. He talked
about the like slowing down, how that can benefit you,
where he said, as a young guy rushing the passer,
you can get there, but it's like when you're about
to sack the quarterback, you kind of freak out and
you speed up too much. And he's like, as I've

(57:21):
gotten a few years under my belt, I've slowed down
in those moments and it's helped me actually sack the quarterback.
That's just funny where we always talk about the speed
of the game being so much faster in the NFL
than it is in college, and it is right, but
we often overlook the times where it benefits you to
slow down.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
It's that's the that's think about this, Brian. So you
hear about, yeah, the speed of the game is fast,
but when you hear people that have success in any sport,
in any field, they're the ones that can slow it down. Yeah,
They're the ones that can you know, obviously have done
the work and the preparation before they get on the job,
and they're seeing things at a totally different speed than others.

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So it doesn't mean the physical game has slowed down
as far as the pace or the speed, but the
way in the eyes of which we're seeing things, it's
a little bit slower. So that's kind of the that
would be the I guess the switch or the button
that makes a player that's teetering on being good become great.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
Yeah, think of another sport.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Think about Yokich and how he just can't be sped
up and that's his strength. Like Kevin Durant talked about that,
like you just can't speed the guy up. He plays
at his face or Luca, it exactly plays at a
slower pace.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
So yeah, Brian taking another another to another game baseball, right,
you have the flame throwers that throw one hundred miles
per hour. It doesn't mean you're good. You see the
guys that become really good at the game as the
game progresses, a progresses and as their career moves forward.
Are the ones that can you know, throw that that
that eighty five eighty five miles per hour curveball, that
throw them off speed and just slow the game down

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so it goes universally.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Amen.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Okay, So, so Damian Lillard, he has gone from good
guy to bad guy if you're using a pro wrestling
tie in here, or he's gone from face. He's been
the guy that's Hulk Hogan. He's eating his vitamins. He's
gone Hollywood Hogan. Here, he's joined nWo. He's dyeing his
beard a different color, you know. And listen, I was

(59:22):
in Portland for three years doing local radio. I love
Damian Lillard. That dude is an absolute warrior. He is
a great leader. He has been so unselfish during his
career and now it's gone. It's a total one to eighty.
Because I get that he wants out of Portland. I
understand that he wants to compete for a championship. They're

(59:44):
nowhere near doing that right now. They have such a young,
young roster. I have no issue with that. But history
comes back to bite him here, Carrie, because he has
made a lot of comments about other players joining teams,
chasing a ring, and he's sideways at those guys. He's
talked about Paul George being a chump for not putting

(01:00:04):
in the not embracing the grind, and just going from
team to team.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
And now he's doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
And so that's what comes back to bid them is
he's looked sideways at other players hopping teams. Now he's
about to hop teams. That's what's really doing him in
And I get why he wants to go, right, but man,
when you're commenting on other players doing that, it's a
bad look.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Yeah, it's one of those things. You're one hundred percent right.
I think with him, what I kind of kind of gathered,
you know during this process of all these you know,
reports coming out, like what of the reports which are true?
So for me, I don't I haven't really succumbed to
him being the bad guy just yet, because I don't

(01:00:48):
know what's being true and what's being you know, fabricated.
So for me, I'm gonna wait a little bit on that.
I obviously it looks like it's gonna happen. He's gonna
be traded, obviously, but what's true? I mean, you might
know more about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
That than me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Like you said, you've been around the organization in him
for a while. Do you think he's asking to just
only solely go to Miami and all these reports are true?

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Or is that some fabrication involved.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Yeah, well, that part of it, it sounds to be true.
I mean, you're talking about WOJ and the heaviest hitters
are saying. His agent, Aaron Goodwin, has told teams, if
it's not the Miami Heat, you're trading for an unhappy player.
So his agent has put the word out there that
he wants to go to Miami and Miami alone. And
that's a tricky thing because I get it, Carrie, if

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that's the spot he wants to go, I mean, okay,
he just wants to go there. Why should he say,
you know, I want to go to Miami and Philly
and I guess the Clippers would be cool too, Like
if he just wants to go to Miami, that's where
he wants to go. In the process, it really hurts
the Blazers, you know, in terms of their their value

(01:01:55):
and what they can get in terms of compensation. It
definitely hurts them. But that's advantage Dame. You know, we've
got to a point where they're divorcing. Yeah, and you're
looking out for number one right now. The Blazers are
looking at the best deal they can get. Damian Lillard
is looking at the spot he wants to go, and
it's gonna benefit him if the trade package is lessened.

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Why would he want a greater trade package. That just
hurts Dame's ability to win a championship with his new team.
So it's a strategic move. It makes sense, but it's tough.
When he's been his brand has been I'm the guy
who stays loyal. I'm loyal to the soil. I'm not
looking to go elsewhere. And now he's going elsewhere and

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he's hitting the gas like he's flooring it and saying,
I just want Miami, And that definitely hurts the Blazers
in this whole process.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Yeah, it's one of those things where you know, the
loyalty aspect of it. Again, we can always talk about
that and always say, you know, be loyal to the team,
loyal to the grind, and vice versa. But at the
end of the day, we're humans and and and you know,
the organizations are human being. I'm putting putting them, lumping
them in one human being category, and the player is

(01:03:09):
as well. And you know, if you know, Dame's been
so loyal to them and he feels that, you know,
that should be justified and giving back to him as
well in this process. But I don't like the way
he's putting the words or allowing his agent to be
a spokesperson. He's been his own spokesperson for ever and

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we've heard that, like you said, we've heard him say
I'm not running from the grind. I'm not that guy.
And now he has his agent speaking for him. That
would be the only only thing that I would feel
bad about this whole situation. If you're going to speak
your your truth as as you have in previous years
speaking truth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Yeah, And that's the other thing is, you know, uh,
if you're embracing the grind, he's trying to join a
team that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Was just in the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Yeah, yeah, they They've.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Been in the finals two of the past four years.
They've been to the Eastern Conference finals all but one
of those four years. Right, So it's not like he's
trying to join, say like the Knicks, or like a
team that wasn't in the finals that's trying to get there.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
Where he's trying to join the Miami Heat.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
So this is flying in the face of the brand
for the last you know, decade plus or right, Like,
this is a complete about face of what he has
been all about. And like again, Carrie, I get it,
it's just it's the past. It's the past of If
he wasn't commenting on other players joining teams, I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
This would land as badly as it is right now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
But the crazy thing about it, Brian, is, to be honest,
if you look at the rosters of the Knicks and
the Heat, I take the Knicks roster though, Hey, so
I mean so you know what, I don't He's not
joining a super team. He's still going to have to
go and win, and that doesn't I don't even think
Dame going to Miami puts them over the top either.
So there's I don't say I don't necessarily you see

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him as joining the super team, and I don't feel
like it's something that's a guaranteed thing if he goes
to either one. So there's a there's a lot of
discussion about that one. I hear you, Yeah, trust me,
I hear you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
That's what's it's a perception versus reality thing, right, because
you're right about the reality. Or Miami, they won forty
four games and lost thirty eight, right, Right, that's not
a sparkling record, like they were a playing team. Right,
they barely got into the playoffs and then they got
hot and got to the finals.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
The rest is history.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
But it's the perception of you're joining a team that
was just in the finals, right, and you're supposed to
be the guy that you know is embracing the grind.
That that's not you know, that's not from the playbook
of embracing the grind. The grind is you demand a
trade to the team that was just in the finals.
That so it's the perception versus the reality. You're right

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about the reality, but the perception is not on his side.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
B Monzi's having a mental conniption over there. So I'm
just relaying it. She's got some stuff to say.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
She's got she's got something on her mind over here. Okay,
is she turning colors?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
It looks like it. Yeah, Look I feel a little.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
We gotta find out what she's uh, what she's fired
up about, and get some information in the process.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
Bontsie what's going on here? Brian? I will not take
this Damian Lillard slander.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
I will not.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
Okay, he can't everything you said.

Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
It's like I was just yelling over here by myself
in my little room.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
He has done so much for Portland. He has done
so much.

Speaker 8 (01:06:35):
You can say what he said about players going to
other teams.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Why does he have to keep being the nice guy?

Speaker 8 (01:06:41):
Why is it his responsibility when they've let him down
year after year?

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
Why does he have to keep being the nice guy?
I don't get that.

Speaker 8 (01:06:50):
Also, the media really needs to be held responsible for
the amount of pressure that they put on players over
a ring. If you keep telling Damian Lillard you don't
have a ring, You're not gonna you don't have a ring.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
We eventually, you know what I mean, He's gonna be like, man,
I need to get a.

Speaker 8 (01:07:04):
Ring, like, I just don't get why he has to
continue being the bad guy or excuse me, be the
good guy quote unquote in this relationship.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
I don't get that. No, I hear you and listen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Sometimes nice guys finished last, you know, I want Dame
to go elsewhere and to have a better chance to
win a championship because he deserves it. He has been
sensational since he stepped foot in the NBA, and they
haven't been as loyal to him as he has been.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
Exactly but exactly, the past.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Comes back to bite the Manciay, he's looking sideways and
being like Paul George, you're a chump for hopping teams.
It's like, Dame, that's funny because you're hopping teams right now.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Buddy. That comes back to bite you. Yep, yeah, I am.
I'm joining everybody else. Everybody else is doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Brian, I'm actually scared of you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
She is, Okay, I'm just letting you know, but I
feel the fumes coming, and that was on her side.

Speaker 8 (01:07:57):
I'm just like, even if you even if.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
You're right, oh, he said.

Speaker 8 (01:08:01):
This in the past, It's like everybody else is doing this.
Everybody else and their mom is literally going for a
ring however they can.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
But who's the one guy? Who's the other Who's the
other guy?

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
I should say, who's the other guy that has said
I don't like all this spring chasing super teams?

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
Like he's the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
He's the guy that has stood against that and said
I am loyal here, and now he's changing that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
That's all I'm playing. Even if it does, though, I
still don't see why he has to be the nice guy.
I just don't because.

Speaker 8 (01:08:34):
It's like he did so much for this organization for
as long as he could. And I actually don't want
him to leave Portland, you know. I want him to
be Jerknoviski. I want him to be Kobe Bryant and
play his entire career in Portland. That's really what I want.
But I don't blame him for wanting to get out.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
It's I don't either. We're on the same side, and
that we're on the same side the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Same He needs a hot tub time machine, I needs
a hot tub time machine.

Speaker 13 (01:08:57):
And the other lawyers, you're allowed to change your mind,
especially when the media is critiquing you so much for
winning a championship.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
He is.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
In the he is hippocritical. It is not hypocritical, cant all,
not at all. It's like he did. He's like I
actually put in my grind in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
I'm looking up hypocrite in the dictionary right now. It's
a picture of Daien Lewis.

Speaker 8 (01:09:25):
But I swear, if you were not so far away
right now, I would go find you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
And the captain says, I embraced the grind.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
Yes, he did it. He did everything. What am I
supposed to talk to you about?

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
I don't even know what's happening. The Mets are losing.
The Mets are losing.

Speaker 8 (01:09:41):
Yeah, but they're on the scoreboard though, thank you for
that at least guided me into baseball now, at least
on the scoreboard.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
But the Padres are up six to two.

Speaker 8 (01:09:48):
Manny Machado responsible for five of those six runs.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
You guys were talking about. Not the same. But I
will say I hate Manny Machatto.

Speaker 8 (01:09:56):
I hate him, but that dude looks so cool when
he plays, the way he fields the ball, the way
he looks so cool every time he plays.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
And I hate him because I hate him anyway. The
Orioles have won five in a row. They dominated the
Twins today. Fifteen to two was the final score.

Speaker 8 (01:10:13):
They hit seven home runs in the game, including Adlie Rutschman,
who hit a four hundred and sixty one foot bomb
in the victory. Anthony Santander two home runs. But yeah,
Orioles are definitely hot. Who is not hot? The Yankees?

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
No boing on. They really do need Aaron Judge back.

Speaker 8 (01:10:30):
They lost to the Cups in the Bronx today seventy
four and it's officially been announced that New York has
fired their hitting coach Dylan Lawson. So they think he's
the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
He's not the problem. He's not the problem, guys, right,
there's the problem. No, No, not at all.

Speaker 8 (01:10:45):
The Giants they held on to beat the Rockies one zero.
Logan Web, guys, pitch the entire game. We don't see
that anymore, an entire game. And he struck out ten
in the victory and Sepstraca officially won the John Deere Classic.
Earlier today, some messy things have been in college sports,
like former West Virginia men's basketball coach Bob Huggins. I
think he's still drunk. He resigned a few weeks ago

(01:11:06):
after a Deui rs. He's claiming through an attorney that
he never formally resigned and he's going to sue the
university if he's not reinstated. Basically, he said that the
correspondence sent to the school came from his wife, not him,
So not only messi at the school, a messy at home.
Northwestern announced that they're going to reconsider penalties for coach
Pat Fitzgerald, who was suspended two weeks without pay. This

(01:11:27):
started on Friday. New details emerged yesterday. There's still details
that are coming out on this situation about hazing in
the football program. A lot of details that are not
appropriate to say on the radio, So if you're interested,
go look it up.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
It's really just some stuff you just don't want to
hear about. You know what I'm saying. You know what
I'm saying. A little football news. Did you guys hear
this that apparently the Rams.

Speaker 8 (01:11:46):
Were really trying to trade Matt Stafford in the off season.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
This was a report.

Speaker 8 (01:11:52):
It hasn't hit the big news stories yet, but it
came out because a former NFL executive was on the
most recent episode of The Pat mac cofee Show and
he said that the Rams tried very hard to trade
Matt Stafford and it did not work out. Denver Broncos
running back Javonte Williams, who suffered a torn acl in
Week four last season, said today at a football camp

(01:12:13):
that he feels ready to go and the plan is
for him.

Speaker 5 (01:12:15):
To be cleared for the start of training camp. So
good news there. Back to you guys, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
No Damian Lillard slander.

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
Here's the thing. I'm going to give you.

Speaker 8 (01:12:24):
An examples, nymphisis it's the only word he knows.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
It sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
It sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
By the way, it's not even what we got Wimbledon
going on right now. We do wearing all white and
all if I say it's so stupid to wear all white,
I wouldn't do that. These people that wear all white,
they're chumps. And then the next thing you see is
me wearing all white. Why don't you look at me
and be like, Brian, what was all this talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
Not wearing all white? Now you're wearing this all white.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
You'd look at me sideways for saying those things and
then doing the option.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Right here, right now, I'm gonna let months go first.

Speaker 10 (01:13:06):
You're really you're real slick here, Brian, because yes, you
made a great example not the same at all, because
Damian Lillard has actually put in time and work, in
tears and effort and all of this.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
You did you show to wimbled.

Speaker 8 (01:13:22):
Then one year and you're like, I'm not gonna wear
white this that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
No, it's not the same.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Even though your example was good, it's going against what
you said in the past.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Okay, big, big, let's let's think of it this way then,
all right, all right. He was saying that at a
stage where he was in the grind, he was lost
in the moment. He was seeing other people run around
and doing this and joining super teams and you know,
blah blah blah blah blah. Right, those things are real,
and they were real at that time. He's evolved to
a state of now seeing that he's not going to

(01:13:52):
be able to do what he wants to do in
the grind in Portland, and now he wants a better
shot at it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Would you would that change your stance on it from
a standpoint of him maybe maturing past the point of
saying those things about other people and really understanding his
own situation better. How about that? Would that give you
a little a little difference on that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Nope?

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
But it's a great it's a great point to bring up.
But there's no reason to talk about Paul George's if.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
He's specifically asked about something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
He's throwing messages out there. We'll get back into it.
We'll get back in because he's throwing Instagram messages out there,
and you know, I hate being in this position. I
love the man, but the truth is the truth. Okay,
I'm beholden to the truth over here.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
We also have to get to this coming up, which
is more sobering.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
You're welcome to the NFL moment or you I gotta
get out of the NFL moment that's on the way.
I'm Brian no He's carry Roads keep it locked right
here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
I'm Brian Noo.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
He's carry Rhoads here on Fox Sports Radio. We're coming
to you line from the Tirerack dot Com Studios. We'll
pick it back up with Dame next hour, because I
feel like to a sneak attack for me to talk
Dame when Monci's not around, you know what I mean, Like,
she's got to be part of the mix over here, Carrie.
So we'll revisit that next hour. I want to turn

(01:15:16):
your attention though to Richard Sherman. So, Richard Sherman, former
NFL cornerback, he was on his podcast and he was
talking to Lane Johnson, he's an Eagles offensive lineman, and
so Richard Sherman told this story where he knew when
it was time to retire. So this was Week six
of the twenty twenty one season and Tampa was at

(01:15:40):
Philly and Richard Sherman was guarding Davonte Smith really good,
I think at the time, rookie Eagles receiver yep. And
he said he was with them step for step, and
all of a sudden, Davonte Smith put on the brakes
and and Richard Sherman said, his groin told him out

(01:16:00):
snap stab and He's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, And
he knew right then and there it was time to
hang him up, which is more sobering.

Speaker 5 (01:16:10):
Carrie, is it You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
To the NFL moment or you're I gotta get out
of the NFL moment?

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
I think it's still welcome to the NFL moment because
you've been obviously the best player on your team for
a long time. Right coming into the NFL or any
professional sport, so you kind of have this, you know,
this level of confidence that you need but also need
to be broken to actually start to perform on a

(01:16:37):
level where you're a really good player on that next level.
So I would say that that welcome to the NFL
moments probably the most sobering because you get to realize
you're not the only outfit in the room, and you
also get to realize that these guys are just as athletic, talented, strong,
fast as you are. So either you're going to adapt

(01:16:59):
to that and get better or you're going to fall
to the wayside. So I would say they're welcome. They
welcome to my moment.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
Do you remember you're welcome to the NFL moment?

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Absolutely? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
It was the first game, Like I said, it was
the first game of the season, so preseason, I'm killing it.
I'm you know, picking off all these you know, these
these quarterbacks. And it's actually it's actually pretty funny because
my defensive coordinator at the time, his name was Donnie Henderson.
When I was a rookie in O five with the Jets,
I was balling out, playing really well, and he was like,

(01:17:31):
you're playing He said this term, you're playing these these
these kids that he had a derogatory word to us,
So I'm not going to go to that. But he
was simply implying, simply implying that I'm playing I'm playing
guys that I should be doing this against. And I,
you know, I was like, no, I can do this
against the starters as well. And we get into week
one against the Chiefs and they are running the ball

(01:17:54):
down my throat and the crowd's going crazy and narrowhead,
and I was after the game, I literally told him,
trust me, please, I'm still a good player.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
I know I can do that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
You know, like I'm starting to really explain that I
can still get the job done.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
But that was my moment for me right away. Games
just look at you like I told you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
He said, I told you, But he also said you're
my guy, so he did comfort me. But I had
to like I was like, I'm never going to play again.
That's how I really felt about the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
It was funny about how about that the other moment,
like with Richard Truman explaining he knew when it was
time to like, man, this is it. I don't have
it for these young guys anymore. Do you remember that
moment for you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
No, I didn't have it when I left in thirteen.
I just left off one of my best years as
well statistically and number wise, so I wasn't in the
position to say I can't do it anymore. So I
don't know that feeling, that's, so to speak. But I've
seen it. I've seen guys not have that step anymore,
have that burst and you know all those different things.

(01:18:56):
But I don't know it. I don't know it on myself.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well that obviously adds up if you
don't even have that moment of course, to welcome to
the NFL moment? Would I think of, man, some of
these players who were great in the NFL Hall of Famers,
And there's that one play where if you're a corner,
that wide receiver just burns you and you're like, what

(01:19:22):
your groin is about to snap right off because you
had to put on the brakes real fast.

Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
That's sobering too, man, Really.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Is it hurts? It hurts your soul? Literally?

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Come it up next, Dominance versus Production?

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Oh what's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
Everybody?

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Hope you're enjoying your Sunday. We got to get to
dominance versus production. Here very interesting take from former NBA
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(01:20:01):
buying should be so Carrie Rhoades. Dwight Howard had an
opinion that caught a lot of attention. He was comparing
himself to NIKOLEA. Jokich, who just won an NBA championship.
Jokich was a two time MVP, but Dwight Howard says

(01:20:21):
he considers himself to be more dominant during his prime
than Jokich is now. And he went on, and I'll
give you a couple of quotes here. He said, Obviously,
people going to say Jokic can score, He's got all
those offensive skills. But at the same time, I was
getting thirty eight and twenty forty five and eighteen nineteen twenty.

(01:20:43):
I'm doing all of this with twos, no threes, all twos.
I'm doing this with lobs. I'm not getting a lot
of post up attempts like Jokic. He's getting way more opportunities.
I don't want people to think that I'm trying to
hate even comparing, but I'm going to take my I
know how dominant I was, and I know what I
could do with my skills.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
What do you think about all that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
He's not lyon?

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
He was a dominant player. I just don't like when
players get into the comparison game. It's so hard. They're
totally different players. Obviously, Jokic does get the ball a
lot more because he's more skilled as far as an
offensive talent, right, he's making people around them better. Not
only can he score at at an all time efficient rate,

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he makes other players around them better.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
So he's going to get more opportunities. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
As far as the numbers go, you can't prime. Dwight
Howard was one of the best players in the NBA,
and that's just that's a fact. Now, is he a
generational type player in the same sentences as Jokic In
that regard, he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
So it's hard to compare the two. But as far
as numbers go, he can stack his numbers up with
them if he wants.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Look man, as far as defense stats, there's no comparison,
And yes, like that that's Howard all day, where he
was a three time defensive Player of the Year and
he had two seasons he led the league in blocks.
You know, he led the league in rebounds for five seasons.
So defensively, I mean, that's Dwight Howard all day. But man,

(01:22:20):
in terms of offense, I don't want to hear this.
I did it with all twos. Whose fault is that
did they not have a three point line? Like I
look at a guy like Brook Lopez. Think about Brooke
who never shot threes before ever, and now he's shooting
about five per game and doing it well, right, and
he's playing at the same time Dwight Howard is like

(01:22:42):
Dwight Howard acts like he was playing in the nineties
and no big man ever shot a three ever. It's like, right, dude,
you played in the same era. I don't want to
hear that I did it with all twos as if
it was just because of the era.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
It's because you never expanded your game.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Dwight Howard was athletic, and he was dominant and powerful,
but he was not skilled. He did not have even
a mid range shot. It was all close to the rim,
close range. He didn't have any range, and that's on him.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Well be I'll say this though, he played with an
old school style coach as well, with Ben Gundy, right,
So I'm sure Ben Gundhy wouldn't have appreciated him going
out to try three. So I'm sure he wasn't really
you know, focusing on that part of his game at all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
So it's very hard man.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
I mean, you can look at Dawight Howard shot until
he wasn't going to be a good shooter, right. He
shoots a hard ball, and similar to Shaq when he
came into the league, he was super athletic as well
and could handle the ball and do certain things. But
it just wasn't ask of those two guys or those
individuals to expand their game where this game is totally
different too.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Well, I think there's a reason why, Yeah, he's not
asked to expand these games, because he had no game
outside of close range, right, Like if he's showing that
he can shoot it, like when the basketball was moving
to that, you know what I mean. Like Karl Anthony
Towns has been doing it for a while, Brook Lopez

(01:24:10):
been doing it for a while, Jokic has been, you know,
showing range for a long time. It's not like this
just happened two years ago and Dwight was basically already
out of the NBA. Like, so I think that there's
a reason why he wasn't asked to expand his game
is because he didn't have one.

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
He didn't even have a mid range game.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
So like that's like Ben Simmons starting to shoot threes,
you know what I mean, Like that's never gonna make
sense for Dwight Howard. And so I look at him
closer than who his head coach was or that type
of thing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
It's because he never progressed.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
And I don't think that's because of whoever was coaching
him and just putting the handcuffs on him. That was
him putting the handcuffs on himself more than anything.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Yeah, it's one of those again.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
It all boils down to me that you don't why
why compare right now? Anyway, this guy just Zki's just
won an NBA championship, He's been the back to back MVP.
I mean, it's just not the right time to talk
about it. I Mean, obviously people are gonna look at
that and say it's not close. But I just think
that there's a little validity to what he's saying as
far as the dominance park, because the dominant park can

(01:25:23):
be you know, you can take that in any you know,
with any breath or any breath that you want to
put it in.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
You could, you can. You can have an argument there, right, But.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
It's just not the right time, right, I hear you
on that. I'm just not giving brownie points for it.
I'm doing this with all two's. Yeah, it's like, okay,
was it a crime to be able to expand your
your game and shoot from long range?

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
There's no way he could ever do that. He just
wasn't that guy, right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Yeah, as far as the defensive credentials, he was off
the charts. And I do hate this when and he
brought this up the comparison game. But if we're going
down this road, I hate to do the comparison game
because Dwight Howard was so much better early in his
career than he ever gets credit for. He was such
a good player, but he was often looked at for

(01:26:11):
what he didn't do. He was kind of like the
Westbrook of big men. It's really what he was. I
like that, right, Like we're looking at what he doesn't
do well instead of what he just absolutely excels at.
And I think that's unfortunate, But I mean a lot
of that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:26):
Was was on Dwight.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
It's he just he was so athletic and so skilled,
but he just he didn't maximize those gifts, you know
what I mean. He just wasn't a guy that was
gonna work his genitals off, expanding his range and becoming
a better player. He just wasn't that guy. But he
brought so much to the table, and I hate that
it's glossed over.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Yeah, that part, that's the part that I don't like either.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
I mean, think about that all that's seventy five what
was it, the top seventy five list the NBA. Yeah,
the players, some of the players they put in in
front of him was just ridiculous. And that just shows
how much in the now, with social media and you know,
all these things that are being put in front of us,
in these stats and stuff that are being put in
front of us, how easily we forget what people have

(01:27:14):
done or accomplish in this league because it's so much
about what have you done lately? We're a guy like
Dwight Howard with his accolades and the stuff you just said,
I mean his defensive prow with his rebounds. He took
that Orlando Magic team to the finals, so say if
you want that finals that that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Changed the perception of him.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Who knows, but just people get so caught up in
and what a person's doing right now that they forgetting
gloss over what they've done.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
And man, I also think that if we really get
into this, might be looking at it too closely. Maybe
not Carrie, but when he's talking about dominating right like
he thought he was more dominant in his prime than
Yo kiches, I think a lot of that is how
it looks, you know what I mean, It's a Howard
type thing. There's no doubt Dwight Howard was more powerful

(01:28:03):
right than Jokic because Jokic is more of a finesse player.
But I don't get down with the dominance type thing.
I look at production. It's just like how productive are you?
And there's no doubt that Jokic is more productive. Jokic
is the best passing big man of all time, and
he doesn't do it with the power that Dwight Howard did.

(01:28:25):
But I think we're getting off track. Here where it's
who cares if it's not as powerful? How effective are you?
Who was more effective? And that's where Jokic wins this battle.
It would be like think about boxing Carrie Floyd Mayweather. Ye,
Money may is not a knockout artist. He was not
like powerful, He wasn't dominant in that aspect.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
Guess what he was undefeated. He's fifty and oho.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Now I don't care if you're not knocking dudes out
left and right. It's like how effective are you? And
that's Jokic. He was more effective. I don't care about
the domin minutes or of the power aspect as much
as I do overall production.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
I love that comparison because even Money Mayweather in his
in his you know, he's been in his prime for
a long time, but in his younger years he did
have power. He had to adjust his game based off
an injury. He hurt his right hand when he was younger,
and so he didn't, you know, want to throw that
power right hand as much as he used to. But
he changed his game. Talk about putting in the work

(01:29:24):
and evolve into a different fighter and still being productive
and still being undefeated. And I mean there's nobody like him, right,
So I like that comparison a lot. I mean, I
think that's kind of what yokis is as well. I
think he is dominant in his era. It's not the same,
it doesn't look the same as the Whites was, but
he's still dominant.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Though, right right, Or you could do a Tyson thing,
you know, think about Tyson, how dominant that guy was,
how powerful he was a vander Holyfield wasn't known as
dominant as powerful holy.

Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
Field beat him twice. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
Like existly, some times we get enamored with the dude
that throws the one hundred and five mile per hour fastball,
and that's cool, but it's like, how productive are you
with whatever you're doing out there? And that's where I
think that although it looked a lot different, although Jokic
does it with more finesse than power, I think that

(01:30:19):
Jokic is more productive than Dwight was even in his prime.
But to be fair, it's closer than it seems right
here right now, with Jokic just winning a championship and
Dwight several years removed from his prime, it's closer, but
I still think it's advantage Jokic.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
Yeah, it's just no question advantage Jokis and he's still
he's going to be able to do this for a
long time. It's not like it's over, you know, He's
still got a lot of time to go.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
And that's the other part of it too, is like
the power aspect. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against it,
but power doesn't age as well as finesse does. Okay, No,
Like there's a reason that Michael Jordan switched to more
of a finesse game later in his career instead of
just this downhill attack the rim style. It's the same
thing with big men, Like you're right, Carrie, Yokicic's game

(01:31:07):
it translates to old way better than Dwight Howard's game did.
And that's the other reason why I'm not going to
just look at power and dominance like that where it's man,
hey man, finesse. It's got staying power and Jokic absolutely
has that in his favor.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Ah, it's not. Yeah, that part is not even close.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
And you can even take it a step further, right,
what's the position in the NFL that has a flash
of time where it can look pretty and look strong
and dominant, but doesn't last long running back there you go. Yeah,
that's why those guys aren't getting paid anymore. That's why
those guys are running back by committee now because you can't.

(01:31:48):
That doesn't achieve longevity in the long run. And so
you got to be able to be flexible and change
a game and have some finesse and have some power
and mix it up.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
Yeah, no doubt about that. Good stuff. All right, we
got a lot to do here. I didn't know that
I'd be talking a whole lot of Wimbledon with you today, Carrie.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
But there are a couple of things that are hilarious
I think, I think you besides the all white all right. Oh,
and we're gonna revisit Dame Dollar, fame hypocritical Dollar over
there with mont. I know she's warm enough, she's getting
ready for the update. She might be turning colors right now,
you know. But we'll get feisty with Monsey as well

(01:32:26):
and have some fun with that. I'm Brian No, he's
Carrie Rhoades. We are live from the tyrack dot Com
studios right here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Brian No,
He's Carrie Rhoads here on Fox Sports Radio. We're coming
to you live from the Tirat dot com studios. Yeah, so, Carrie,
I don't care where the funny is. I don't care
if it's in the NFL, the NBA. I don't care

(01:32:48):
if it's Wimbledon. I go where the funny is, Okay,
and there's some funny stuff in Wimbledon.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
So the first thing is the chair umpire. You don't
hear this very often. Check us out during a match.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Love fifteen ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
Please, if you are opening a bottle of champagne, don't
do it as a player to thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Oh you love that. Don't open the bottle of champagne
while they're serving.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Please.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Let's get back to action over here. Uh, there's also this, Carrie.
This okay. So the matches in the fifth set tiebreaker, okay,
we're talking about our man, Alejandro Davidovich fakina. Okay, he's serving,
it's eight eight, fifth set tiebreaker. He goes with the

(01:33:40):
underarm serve. Okay, not like throwing it in the air
and smashing it as fast as he can.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
He goes under arm. He goes finesse. Over here. This
is how that sounded.

Speaker 9 (01:33:53):
But he goes against the man who executed it on
old Garuna have points.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
I mean, I've.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Seen some decisions in my life, but I have never
seen something like that, an underwraune.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
Sir Al Yeah, yes, loose is what we call that, Carrie.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
I'm trying to think about what this would be like
in basketball. It's probably the best comparison. This would be
a tie game, late, very little time and a good
free throw shooter. He steps to the line and he says,
you know what, I'm gonna play a hunch here. I'm
gonna shoot this free throw underhanded, and missus, do you

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realize what we would be saying about that?

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
And that's what this Wimbledon tennis player just did.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
Yeah, yeah, that'd be an old to Jerry West, that'd
be the under the underhand free throw joint. Yeah, that'd
be talked about for a while, especially if you didn't
execute it. And even if you executed it, it would probably
be one of those things where.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Oh, he thinks he's too good now. To be any
positive spin that comes from that, there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Would be some naysayers. There's always those naysayers out there.
But man, if you're gonna do that you better execute it.
You better executed and he did not.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
He did not. Yeah, he'll never live it down.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Yeah, now this is the last one. This isn't just
a tennis thing. You can expand this to all sports.
This reporter needs to be fired immediately. I'm not the
guy that oftentimes calls for people's jobs. I'll call for
this guy's job immediately. He needs to be out. So
this reporter, he's talking to Paula, Bodosha and Vadosa. She

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had to retire from her match, so he congratulates her
on the win.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
She has to accept the record straight. Listen to this.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
I lost.

Speaker 8 (01:35:50):
If you missed some matches because of injuria, tell us
about your fitness and condence.

Speaker 9 (01:35:56):
Please.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
For information. I just lost.

Speaker 9 (01:36:00):
I didn't win.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
So yeah, she didn't win. The I don't know, like
the person that helps it out, what do they call that?
Like the PR person is like, yeah, the news.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
Flash, she didn't win, and he's like she really did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
Wow, it's like a f yi, yeah yeah yeah he
didn't win.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Yeah yeah No, that's that's an all time blunder, especially
in a high stakes tournament like that where you know,
obviously she doesn't feel well about where she's at right now,
and happened to not being able to finish, and then
on top of that, you just add insult to injury.
It's not a good thing, not a.

Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
Good at all.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
The congratulations on the wind, I just this is an
all time sound bite right here.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
I lost.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
It's like a Saturday Night Live but our time. Yeah,
comedic timing was spot I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:37:00):
Trying to think of.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
It's not as good with team sports, although it could
work with that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:06):
You know, congratulations on the win. We just lost.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Dude, what are you talking about? But individual sports? If
it's boxing, if it's MMA, right, right.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
Man, didn't you just watch the match? Obviously he didn't, right.
He came off the sidelines, he probably was still sleep
during the match and came in and it was just
a lot at time to come speak and he was.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Just like, yeah, you won the game. He's like, no,
I did not win. You at least kind of get
that right.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Strange comparison, Carrie, But when Michael Jordan when he owned
the Charlotte Hornets, I'm not looking for him to win
four rings as a team owner. You gotta get me
at least one first series win, you know what I mean,
just one series win over thirteen years. Didn't even have that.
So for the pool reporter, I don't need you to

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know every last tiny detail about whatever you're covering.

Speaker 5 (01:38:02):
I need you to know who won. I need you
to know that much.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Okay, So the prerequisite is you should know who won.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
Yes, Okay, Now we're like bringing the bar down a
little bit more to kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Just yeah, make it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Okay, we kind of at least get to that point. Okay,
So we circle back to Damian Lillard. This is kind
of like the pre chorus to the Monty Bolanos chorus. Okay,
so we differ on un Dame. Love the guy, but
it's hypocritical to be looking sideways at all these other
players who went to other teams and now he's going

(01:38:38):
to do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
It just it is what it is. Let me ask
you this, Carrie.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
There are four doors right here, Okay, what you're faced
with as a player, that is, you know, like the
franchise player. Damian Lillard is the Portland Trailblazers franchise player, right,
so he has four choices.

Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
Door number one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Is the best choice, which is your Dirk Novitzky like
your guy, right, yep, you stay put, you win a championship.
That's the most ideal. Now we get door number two,
Reggie Miller, you stay put, you don't win a ring. Okay,
there's also Kevin Garnett who went elsewhere, won a ring,

(01:39:23):
went from Minnesota to Boston, won a championship. The flip
side of that is a guy like Karl Malone, he
went elsewhere, didn't win a ring. So, which which is
the worst of these options? The best is Dirk, the
second best is kg Right, which is the worst. Is
it Reggie Miller you stay put, don't win a ring?

(01:39:44):
Or is it Karl Malone you go elsewhere and don't
win a ring?

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Oh? The worst is definitely Karl Malone. Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
I mean he obviously was mister Utah Jazz for ever,
MVP Hall of Famer cemented. Obviously, then you go to
the Lakers and chase a ring with that team, and
literally obviously at that point for him, he was past
his prime. Where you know, Dame is still in still
in it, He's still in his prime, right, He's still

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playing at a at an all you know, all NBA level.
So what's gonna happen for him if he was to
go to Miami and not have the success, You're always
gonna question why go there and leave and wreck the
image that you had in Portland? Right, That's gonna always
kind of come up. He'll always be mister trail blazer,

(01:40:33):
but you'll always have that that doubt of why I
could have just stayed and done it here, right instead
of going to a team and not get it done there.
So it's it's it's a tough one, but I would
definitely say the Karl Malone when is the worst for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
And that's where I think that Dame is in a really,
really tough spot. And this is the part we haven't
talked about, Carrie, is he really has to do the
KG path for this to pay off, right right? Think
about this where being Reggie Miller isn't the worst thing ever.
Where if you stay with Portland the whole time, don't

(01:41:06):
win a ring. I mean, you still are the guy there.
That beats the Karl Malone situation where he could have
been the guy with the Utah Jazz. Now he's still
thought of as the guy, but it's different. It's different
when he goes to the Lakers and doesn't win a championship.

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
It's just different.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
So for Dame, you know, he's really got to see
this thing through and win a ring like KG did
because his backdrop is different as well. If he had
just mindus P's and Q's, he didn't say anything about
any other player going to any other team, and now
he's going to go to another team, he wouldn't be

(01:41:42):
facing so much scrutiny. But if he goes elsewhere and
doesn't win a ring, he's gonna get a lot of
flak for that based on the backdrop that he created, right, Like,
that's what we're looking at here.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
He will.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
And what's even even more different in his situation is
the two that you just named, Reggie and Carl Malone.
They both went to the finals, so they've even accomplished
a little bit more in those situations they were in
than Dame has. And I think, to be honest, Dames
had chances to get to that point. He had a
team when they lost the Golden State obviously that year,

(01:42:18):
but they had a team that could have gotten to
the finals and didn't get it done. So you know,
Reggie Miller and Karl Malone both made it to the finals. Right,
they had chances and proved to be, you know, right
up there with those top guys by standing the grind
and almost getting it done and getting that taste of
it where you could see even I Karl Malone wanting

(01:42:41):
to go like he's done. He know he wasn't the
guy anymore. He's trying to piggyback on the championship where
Dame Is still has a chance to go to Miami
and still be considered the guy, and the pressure is
going to be crazy on him to win there.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Yeah, yeah, look like, look at these two options. This
is really what it's down to. It's stay in Portland.
You got a bunch of young guys. You're not even
close to title contention. That's not ideal, right right, Or
as he's put it, it's just Miami. Let's say it
gets there, you have to win it all. I agree

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those are two tough options for the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
I agree he has to win. Brian, I one hundred
percent agree with that. Monsi's still looking at me crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
So I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
I'm trying not to stutter here. I'm trying to make
sure I get this point out. But the thing about
the whole Dame situation is I've seen the reports and
I've seen where even teams that if he went there,
they would win, like a Boston, Right, I've heard reports
of Boston, you know, throwing their hat in the ring
at possibly bringing him in. Right, go to a situation

(01:43:42):
like that and wins, then that makes sense. That's that's
the same thing that's KG did, right, went to Boston,
wanted in Boston. So you know, having that opportunity would
be for me, would make sense if you want to
leave and go win.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
And look, Dame is a grown man. He can want
to go wherever he wants to go, right, I just
wonder why it's only Miami, you know, Like, I think
culture wise, he's a perfect fit for Miami. He is
a grinder, he is absolutely relentless. I think he fits
in great and that might be how he's looking at it.
I don't know, but I'm just I wonder why it's

(01:44:18):
only Miami, right, Like, he.

Speaker 5 (01:44:21):
Can want whatever he wants. But does that does that
seem a little bit strange to you?

Speaker 8 (01:44:26):
Also?

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Yeah, I mean obviously he has friends. I mean I
know Jimmy Butler and him are really good friends.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
I know that. So you want to go.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
Yeah, be in the culture, be in Miami, being the
you know, in the winning culture that they have, and
then you have a really good friend there. That makes
sense from that still point. But yeah, I mean I
would only I guess I can only land my thoughts
on that because I can actually see that it's a
tangible thing for me. But other than that, I wouldn't.
I would have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
And he's tight with Bam too, So yeah, maybe that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
I got a question for you, Kerrie, as we welcome
in Monzie below. Was she in the starter's gate?

Speaker 5 (01:45:05):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
Was she more amped up before according to Mancy? Or
right here right now?

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Oh? Oh it's right now right now. I can't even
look that way. I'm looking at another way right now.

Speaker 8 (01:45:17):
Okay, so many things you guys said that I just like,
I don't even know where to begin. The last segment,
when we were talking with the Damian Lillard slander that
I will not accept Carrie, you said, if he goes
to Miami, I don't even think it really makes them
like that much better?

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
Right, I think you said that.

Speaker 8 (01:45:33):
But right now you both were like, no, if he
goes to Miami, he has to win, even though you
don't think it makes Miami a top contender, But we're
gonna put that pressure on him. Why is he being
Why do we have to compare him to things that
have happened in the past.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
Why can't his story just be different? Because it's literally like.

Speaker 8 (01:45:50):
Kevin Durant literally left the team, the best team that
he couldn't bet and won a championship. He's now on
his twenty seventh team and we're fine with it. Like
he gets grewed, he gets a little bit. So I
just I am so annoyed because it's like Damian Lillard
has put in I don't when was he drafted twenty eleven,
twelve thirteen?

Speaker 5 (01:46:10):
Well, I think it was twelve twelve.

Speaker 8 (01:46:11):
Okay, we're around that, right, So ten years plus that
he's given everything to this team. I looked up his
comments to Paul George that was in twenty twenty. Time
has passed, things have changed, things have changed with him
and Portland. In twenty twenty when he said that Portland
was probably like, don't worry, man, We're gonna we're gonna
surround you.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
We're gonna give you what you want.

Speaker 8 (01:46:31):
Instead, they literally draft his replacement who doubled down and said,
I'm gonna wear double zero. Watch me.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
Come on, guys, Okay, does this sound so good? It
does not sound I wouldn't want to stay there.

Speaker 8 (01:46:44):
Drafted the guy that didn't replace me, and he said,
double zero, baby, double zero.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
Lots to unpack here much, I mean wrong, We'll go
Cliff's notes version here. Okay, First off, Kevin Gardener, Kevin
Durant going to Golden State initially world class flack.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
The guy caught, yes, nothing but but that's it and nothing.
That's it now, you guys, he has five championships.

Speaker 8 (01:47:08):
I know he doesn't have five, but you know what,
I'm sorry he's gotten the credit now that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
He Also, he was never the guy that said, you
guys are clowns for going from team to teams.

Speaker 5 (01:47:19):
We're gonna die on this hill. Yeah, right, not embracing
the grind.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
That that's the whole point. If Cab but if Ky
did that, why did it? If Paul George, if anybody
did that, we'd be crushing those guys, just like we're
looking sideways at Name for doing what he was against.

Speaker 8 (01:47:35):
Did he not put in the grind for ten years?

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
I don't think we're talking about the grind here though,
I think we've established that he's put on the he's
embracing sign.

Speaker 5 (01:47:44):
Okay, so he did it, so he did it right, Okay,
so why are we.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
That?

Speaker 8 (01:47:49):
But what's changed the fact that his team did not
provide what maybe they've been telling him for years and
years and years.

Speaker 5 (01:47:56):
We don't know what's the case with anybody else. I mean,
of course it is.

Speaker 8 (01:47:59):
But right now, but right now everyone is like all
up in arms because he is demanding a trade to
a specific team and for different reasons.

Speaker 5 (01:48:06):
Your argument is what he said, you, Brian specifically, because
you you're yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you're a good carry.

Speaker 8 (01:48:11):
You Brian specifically, are are saying because of his comments
based on what other players have done, that he he
has to stay on that hill.

Speaker 5 (01:48:20):
No, you're dying on. You want him to stand on
and die on that hill. Even he doesn't, things are
not what he wants anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
Maybe, hey, if he doesn't comment on Paul George to
him on social problems, he said, you guys are going home,
and he's like, you guys are clowns, switching teams up
like you're changing shirts on paraphrasing.

Speaker 5 (01:48:42):
Yes you are, yeah, you got it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
Yes, Yeah, if he doesn't say that no issue whatsoever.
You know what this is like, this would be like
contract negotiations. Yes, And if you're saying, like, like whatever
your stance is someone who negotiates during the season, I
just have a big problem with that. You shouldn't do
that and then you turn around and negotiate during the season,

(01:49:05):
You're a hypocrite.

Speaker 5 (01:49:06):
That's just how it works.

Speaker 8 (01:49:07):
I just think that you are trying to make this
black and white, and there's a lot of great because
there's ten years of history of things that we don't
know what was said behind closed doors between the Blazers
and Dame.

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
Hey, let's make it a full party. Bo Benson one sent.

Speaker 11 (01:49:23):
I just want to say that I'm super excited to
have this conversation again in two years when Giannis is
doing the same thing Dame's doing.

Speaker 5 (01:49:29):
Right now, and I won't say anything. If Nis wants
to go else.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
The whole loyalty thing.

Speaker 11 (01:49:36):
Hey, he's still got a couple of years to do
it too.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
He hasn't blasted anybody, and he want a championship. You
can go, Dame can go too. It's just it's not
gonna land right when you're talking smack about other guys
switching teams.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
It's simple. It's very simple from Brian for sure. It
is black and white. If you're going to speak on it,
be it. That's it. That's all I get that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:00):
Well, that's all you had to say. I thought you
were gonna jump in and defend me.

Speaker 11 (01:50:03):
I mean, look, if there's anyone that Damian Lillard can
like call a weirdo for jumping teams, it's Paul George.
Because Paul George always insisted that wherever he landed next,
that's where he always most wanted to be. I still
remember when he ended up with the Clippers. He's saying, like, oh, yeah,
I wasn't a Lakers fan. I I never really.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
I just like Kobe.

Speaker 11 (01:50:25):
And there's like, I know a lot of people that
lived in Palmdale, where Paul George is from, that have
Paul George in their yearbook, where Paul George is wearing
Lakers stuff everywhere Paul George wanted to be a Laker.
He just didn't happen. So yeah, he's I understand what
Dame's saying, but digging it up from you know, three
years ago, was a little oh.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
Thank you, that seemed like a point for me. Here's
here's the last thing I'll last.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
Okay, you're no longer Moncey belonged to Okay you for
this little point.

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
Here, you are Paul George. Okay, you are Paul George.
Paul George. Damian at you softy? Yeah? Are put on
Instagram like you're a clown?

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
Yeah, switching teams, not embracing the grind, and now dame
switching teams.

Speaker 5 (01:51:10):
What are you, as Paul George thinking right now? I'm
just gonna tweet at him? What'd you say three years ago?

Speaker 8 (01:51:16):
I will bring it back up and then I would say,
carry on, carry on?

Speaker 5 (01:51:20):
Can I hear you?

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
Yeah, No, Listen, what you're saying is not wrong, Brian.
I just I don't think it's that black and white.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
That's all.

Speaker 5 (01:51:29):
Let's leave it at that.

Speaker 8 (01:51:31):
What do you say, John Ronos, Let's agree to disagree
and put a pin in this and we'll fight next week.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Let's do it again.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
Well, I'll be the one to say I'm to kind
of button this up. You know, my guy didn't run
run from the grind. Ever, he played twenty one years
to the same team and the teams that he was
supposed to win on and they didn't win. He still
stayed there and there was rumors of him being almost
traded to the Lakers, and he was like, nope, I'm
staying here. I'm going to take a pay cut. And

(01:51:59):
guys it done with the team that was really past
their prime and got it done. So I'm going to
applaud him.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
I'm just gonna I it was that too against Lebron's
first year with the Heat, and.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
Uh, it was so good. I went to game I
went to Game three in Dallas that year. I took
my dad, so it was actually a really good experience
for me and I was I mean, me and Dirk
are friends and Jason Terry, so to have that was
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
And your boys lost, right, they were down to one
in this series.

Speaker 2 (01:52:28):
Yes, they lost Game three. Yeah, yeah, Okay, I.

Speaker 12 (01:52:31):
Know I'm supposed to give an imday, We're supposed to
move on, but I I am sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:52:34):
So my boyfriend come.

Speaker 8 (01:52:35):
In and clutch right now listening to this sent me
a picture of an article with a picture of Kevin
Durant's tweet from twenty ten ten just for my argument.

Speaker 5 (01:52:48):
Thanks, thanks bou.

Speaker 8 (01:52:49):
This is what Kevin Durant said in twenty ten, this
is around the time I assume when maybe Lebron went
to the Heat.

Speaker 12 (01:52:54):
I assumed this is maybe around that time. No, right, no,
that's to twenty ten. Wait yeah, okay, okay, Kevin Durant.
Now everybody want to play for the Heat and the Lakers.
Let's go back to being competitive and going at these people.

Speaker 5 (01:53:05):
No he didn't, right here, Durant.

Speaker 8 (01:53:08):
Ah, So thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:53:11):
To the boyfriend for listening and sending me these Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:14):
You're trying to cancel something from twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
You can't go back to twenty six.

Speaker 5 (01:53:19):
The point is here, we are. Everybody has said things
and done things like this. That is the point.

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
But the point with KD is he joined a seventy
three win. Yeah, beat him, so yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:32):
You know KAD was the worst. That is the worst.

Speaker 14 (01:53:35):
But people change their minds on what they say. Thanks, okay,
twenty ten, okay, let's talk about let's talk about baseball,
real quick, real quick. Orioles have one five in a row.
They beat the Twins, Cubs beat the Yankees. So Yankees
fired their hitting coach because they think that's going to
solve the problem. Victories for the Reds, the Giants.

Speaker 8 (01:53:51):
The Pirates defeated the Diamondbacks today forty two, So now
the Dodgers are technically in first place in the NL West,
even though it's not really. They're kind of tied. It's
just the Dodgers have one less loss. The Padres took
down the Mets six to four, Manny Machada responsible for
five of those runs. Earlier today, the Nationals they beat
the Rangers. The Rangers are three and seven in their
last ten games. No buenos, but victory for the Royals,

(01:54:13):
the Marlins, the Brewers, the Rays. They finally snapped their
seven game losing streak and they beat the Braves. And
the Blue Jays came back from behind to beat the Tigers,
Mariners one, and the Cardinals one. Yay for you, Brian.
A little Wimbledon, you guys were talking about it. Novak
djokovic play has been officially suspended.

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
Novak Djokovic won his first two sets.

Speaker 8 (01:54:31):
In a tie break, so he's gonna continue his fourth
round match tomorrow. There's only one American man left standing
out Wimbledon. It's Chris Eubanks. None of us know anything
about him, but he is kicking butt and taking names.

Speaker 5 (01:54:42):
He is gonna face Step finals system. I don't know
how to say it.

Speaker 8 (01:54:46):
That one that went exactly in the fourth round tomorrow.
But he is the last man standing. But we got
a couple of ladies an American that are still standing.
Jess Pagoula, she dominated her fourth round match today. But
the number one seed EGA is Vatek. She's still in it.
She's also onto the next round at Wimbledon. More champagne
popping like you were talking about. And I think I

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got every all right. The John Deer Classic. It was
in the end Stepstrauca who won the John Dear Classic. Guys, again,
not a busy season in sports, yet, what a busy
Sunday busy. I am hot and sweaty from this dame talk.
I am very upset about it. But I think I win.
Back to you, guys, you wind, you don't raise your

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own hand in the you know.

Speaker 5 (01:55:31):
Yes, I do, yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:55:36):
If that guy thinks that that other tennis player won
and she didn't, I win too.

Speaker 5 (01:55:39):
Okay, I can tell myself I.

Speaker 4 (01:55:41):
Won fair enough, Bryan. She's holding her left hand up
with her right hand right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Yeah, that's exactly what she's doing. That's right, we close
it down. We'll cover it up next.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Is this the craziest of the crazy predictions? That's on
the way. I'm Brian though, he's Carry Rhodes. Keep it
locked right here on Fox Sports Radio two and two. Now, Wow,
Schurzer Is said, here's the pitch, and man, he gets a.

Speaker 15 (01:56:03):
Hanging breaking ball, hits it a ton deep to left field,
way back, good to go, second level of balconies in
the Western metal building, and a three run homer in
the bottom of the first for Manny Machado.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
I'm Brian, No, he's Carrie Rhodes here on Fox Sports Radio.
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They add the call six to two win for the
Padres as they beat the Mets. Man Carrie, I was
just telling the guys I shouldn't tell you all my
bad beat parlay stories. I had the Diamondbacks earlier. This
week beating the Mets. Mets are down to their final strike.
They hit a solo shot to tie the game. They

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go on, they score another run, they win the game.
They were down to their final strike.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Carry roads, I know, and I know, Gosh, we talked
about this.

Speaker 4 (01:57:11):
That last leg, man, that last leg is very detrimental
to a lot of people's heals.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
Years after my life, years off my life.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
Man, how about this Tampa Bay Buccaneers cornerback Carlton Davis.
I can't get enough of these quotes over here. Okay,
he's talking tough. No more Tom Brady, Right, You've got
Baker Mayfield and Kyle Trask as your two headed quarterback monster.
He says, We're about to do it to them. Talking
about anybody overlooking Tampa, anybody who feels we've lost Tom

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and lost something is going to be in for a
rude awakening, a rude awakening. We're going to wreck bleep
like wreck bleep interceptions, turnovers, plays will be made. I
will say, plays will be made. And this is the
kicker and r F Indivision is worse than what it
was before. So we run through the division, get to

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the playoffs, run through the playoffs, and it's the super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
Oh yeah, oh well, yeah, he threw the Super Bowl
in there as well. I thought he was just talking
about their team being competitive. No, no, he.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Just kind of slyly through in uh the Super Bowl
as well, Carrien.

Speaker 4 (01:58:22):
He was like the Michael Jordan quote, the ceiling is
the roof. Yeah, that's like the deal. Yeah that's yeah,
that's that's intense.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Hey man, there are surprises in the NFL every year.
Won't one of them? No, absolutely, not.

Speaker 3 (01:58:37):
Tampa bayon anywhere in the same sentence as Super Bowl
not gonna happen. Man, Carrie, enjoyed it, Bud, always great.
Hanging with you, Brian, amazing, love it man, always good stuff. Hey,
keep it locked right here, FSR. We'll catch you soon.