July 12, 2023 • 40 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental health podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today's episode, Actor Stephen Amell (Arrow, Heels) joins Jay us for one of the realest and rawest conversations we have ever had on this podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazier.
And I got a really special guest today. Good friend
of mine trains with us at Unbreakable. Also he is
a stud of an actor Before that, though, if you're
like many people, you may be surprised to learn that
one in five adults in this country experience mental illness
last year. I am definitely one of those five. Get
(00:37):
far too many failed to receive the support they need. Carolyn,
behavioral health is doing something about it. They understand that
behavioral health is a key part of whole health, delivering
compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs
in tandem.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Caryln behavioral health raising the quality of life through empathy
and action.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
With that, I want to bring in a very close
friend of mine, Steven mel who you guys may know
from Arrow, you may know from Heels, you may.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Know from a ton of things. He's had a ton
of credits but Arrow for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Heels Now is coming up up on second season, which
pretty wild, man, I dude, I went to wrestle Media
one growing up at Madison Square Garden. Muhammad Ali, Yeah,
Muhammed Ali was the referee. There's mister T and Hulkogan
against Roddy Roddy Plapper and Paul Orndorf and Jimmy super
Flassnika was in the good Guys corner and coming by
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Bob Horton was in the other corner, and man, it
was like everything.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
For me as a twelve year old. Wow, how about that?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So I got into wrestling shortly thereafter, and then sort
of like eighty eight eighty nine because that was eighty five,
and then I went back and I bought the VHS
tapes and like went into WrestleMania one, two, three, and four,
I think, not knowing what happens. And of course you
could get away with that back in the day because
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you're not going on the internet and finding out the results.
So yeah, wow, the garden. I've never been to Madison
Square Guard You serious for a sporting event?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
No.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
The premiere of Teenage Meeting Ninja Turtles Out of the
Shadows was in the theater where they used to have
the NBA Draft for all those years. I've never been,
never seen a Rangers game. In the next game, it's
it's kind of embarrassing at this point.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I'll tell you something.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Wow. In the nineties, I used to host a show
from there with Kurt Menafie, who's now obviously the host
of Box NFL Sunday Unnecessary Roughness.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
We were right there.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
When you walk into like going into I think beef
Steak Charlie's was next to it, and you'd go into
the garden to go watch an event. So right there
in the cavern and we could not get a guest
to show up. They would get like high school teams
to come. And the crazier part is we had a
hard time getting guests to come in. So almost every
week Strahand would come in and be our guests and
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just to bail our asses out of this, you know,
not having somebody and it was but listen, that's how
you have to cut your teeth right, and you know,
performing in front of zero people, so you know you
you look you your big break was Outrow.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Would you say that was your biggest.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, sure, sure. I think in the way that you
in the way that you construct an acting career from
the outside looking in if you if you're not in
the business, this is the first role that's going to
or the first casting I suppose that's going to show
up in the in the sheets like variety of the
reporter or Deadline. In reality, was the tenth job that
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I had gotten over a period of about two years
from February first, twenty ten, when I moved to LA
until February first, twenty twelve when I got asked, I
got ten different American job and CISLa and CIS CSI
Miami Vampire Diaries. There was a lifetime moving in there
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as an HBO series, you know, New Girl, Private Practice,
and then but was Er was the first one where.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
But none as leads. Right, Er was the first lead.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Was the first lead. It was not it was not
the first series regular. But you got to think of
it like, you know, you're hosting a show with Kurt
and and you know, in order for him to eventually
become the host of Fox NFL Sunday, they've got it.
They have to see a track record. You know, they
got to trust you that you can show up, that
you can be professional, that you can do stuff on set.
But yeah, Er was the Er was the big one.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Again, I told you, like, man, you now know because
we're friendship, that I was making ninety four hundred bucks
a year for eleven years before I got my big
you know, big break, which is fifty grand. How many
years was it just rejection? Rejection, rejection, rejection before you
broke through?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, listen a mental health podcast. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Being able to deal with mental health during these issues
leads us all to mental wealth.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Well, I think that the mental health is that I
had a really sort of what I thought at the
time was a real catastrophic moment in my life, which was,
you know, I got into acting, you know, in my
early twenties when I was in Canada but in Toronto.
But the real I mean, the reason that I did it,
the reason that I was pursuing it was for fame
and fortune. That was it. I hadn't really thought about
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the fact that it was what made me happy. But
you know, I was a kid, I was in my twenties,
but I was I was stupid good and I was
and I was I was vain and I was just
I was approaching it for all the wrong angles. But
then I was in a long term relationship and I
kind of set on hard times with acting because I
wasn't going after it for the right reason, so one
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good job wouldn't lead to to then a bigger job.
It was like I would get, you know, a big
part in a movie, like I got a big partner
Richard Attenborough film, but then I couldn't get a bit
roll in like a local Canadian soap. And then the
relationship that I was in I kind of fell on
hard times in seven eight and she just fell out
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of love with me and left, and that crushed me.
And I mean, I thought, I don't know, I think
to this day it might have been kind of my
one of my lowest points, if not my if not
my lowest point.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It was that.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Incident that made me take stock of what was important
in my life. And one of the things that came
up for me was acting. And so the previous seven
eight years, you know, I had a movie where I
think I made like one hundred and twenty five thousand
bucks or something like that. But then I blew it
because I didn't know what I was doing with it,
and I didn't have people in my life that were
helping me make smart to financial decisions because I was
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never really bought that by anyone. It was when I
started to get into acting and pursuing it because it
made me feel good mentally, that inevitably the money followed,
you know. But I also too, when I came out
to LA I got an apartment right in Hollywood at
Franklin and Cherokee, right off Hollywood Boulevard, you know, right
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by Musso and Franks, which you've seen once upon a
time in Hollywood, you know, you see Pitt DiCaprio go
there at the beginning of the movie to meet Pacino.
And the apartment was like thirteen hundred bucks a month.
And I didn't need anything. Once I didn't need anything,
and I started stopped caring about material things, then inevitably
you start to you start to gather them.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So well, yeah, became what became you said it used
to be famine. Fortunately the important parts for your acting. Yeah,
what became the important parts for you bracket.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Getting better at it in the early going, using it
as an exercise to really remove ego and take ego
and vanity and the superficial aspects of acting, like do
I look good enough? It is my jawline. The way
that I wanted to be, you know, getting rid of
those things focusing on improving, and then that has transitioned
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since I got Arrow over the past ten to eleven years,
to realizing that the more that I do in my career,
the bigger platform I'm able to have. And once I'm
able to have a bigger platform that I can, then
I can then go out and I can influence people
in a positive way, be it a young kid who
you know, watches Arrow for the first time and sees
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stuff like Oliver's character. My character in Arrow. One of
the things we really get into in the first season
is that he's suffering from post traumatic stress disorder from
this from this five year period where he was marooned
on this island and went from this young Brady kid
to the green Arrow that we meet in the pilot.
And I get people that come up to me all
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the time that say, you know, I was deployed, or
I broke my leg and I was on bedrest, or
you know something happened and I found Arrow, And I
thought to myself, you know, if Oliver can get through
what he got through those five years on the island,
then I can deal with what I'm dealing with right now.
And that sounds that if you haven't experienced something like that,
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that can sound hokey. It's like, okay, it's a TV show,
but the person that's saying it's you is dead serious.
They're not going to share something like that, and they're
not going to open themselves up and allow themselves to
be vulnerable and tell you something like that if they
don't really fucking mean it. And so that's a hundred
(09:15):
you know, one hundred percent. And it's like, you know,
I happened upon I've done a lot of work with it,
with a charity called fuck Cancer. And I'm assuming that
you can swear on this podcast, by the way. Oh okay,
all right, okay, okay, okay, hey.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Shit me.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I've found this charity called fuck Cancer. Sure. Back in
April of twenty twelve, my mom and I took a
photo because she was going through breast cancer for the
second time and just bald and she's going through chemo,
and you know, I shaved my head and we took
a photo and we give the middle finger to the camera.
And then someone reaches out to me and says, you know,
there's a charity called fuck cancer. And it's because I'm
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on something like ero and I have a platform, and
I have a you know, I have social media account
that are verified and you know, have a substantial number
of followers that when I get behind something, other people
get behind it. And that's really special. That's really special.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I know you're a huge football fan because you'll text
me constantly during the Rams games, right, and look, I've
got you know from I've Got the Fight. Came as
the first host of an MMA show in America, So
I've got the Fight fans forever and the football John's
forever as well. How are comic book fans different than
let's your football fans.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
That's a that's a that's a good question. Well, you
think about it, like, if you're a fan of the
Carolina Panthers right now, you're all you're all excited for
Bryce Young, okay, but you're not walking up to Bryce
Young and going you better nail it because once he does,
it's so that, you know, comic fans they're like they're
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assuming that he's going to succeed until he doesn't, right,
and I obviously hopefully he does. It seems like, by
all accounts, seems like a like a really good player
and a really really solid individual. But when I got Arrow.
First of all, fans were mad that it wasn't Justin Hartley,
who played the character on Smallville, which ended in twenty ten.
(11:12):
You know, just like, yeah, you know, I don't think. Yeah,
it has been a couple of years, but yeah, one
hundred percent, I think that was Actually I think Unbreakable
might have been the first place that I ever met
welling to Tom Well, yeah, who's a lovely guy. So
the first thing isiss. They're pissed that it's not him,
and then you know, we shoot the pilot and the
(11:35):
trailer comes out. People like the trailer and they're excited
about the trailer. But I went to Comic Con in
San Diego in twenty twelve, and my basic, the basic
thing that I got from comic book fans was Okay,
Green Arrow doesn't belong to you, Green Arrow belongs to me.
I've been a fan of Green Arrow for thirty years.
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I'm very excited for the show. Don't mess it up.
What they said to me, not in not in not
in so many words. And so it is a.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Similar thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yeah exactly, But it's like, but once you get in there,
they're with you forever, forever. Now granted, if I mean,
if I kept playing Arrow for thirty years and I'm
starting to creak up and down the Arrowcave because I
can't I can't walk properly anymore because they need hit replacements,
then maybe they turn on me then. But no, there
is a there is a similarity there.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
They are.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
They're fiercely protective of the thing that they like. Like
people are saying to me. People say to me all
the time, well, you're you're DC. You'd never do Marble, right,
It's like, well, and set out to play a d
C character. That's just sort of how it happened. If
someone approached me to do something in the Marble universe,
I'd look at it the same way if someone from
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the DC film side approached me to play Arrow or
play something else, or if or if they wanted me
to become part of the John Wick franchise or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So, yeah, we're are you more passionate about comics for wrestling?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Wrestling? Wrestling was my first love before there was before
I discovered the Blue Jays, Before you know, the twelve
year old me had his heartbroken by the by the
by Wayne Gretzky and the La Kings when they beat
the Maple Leafs. You know, it was it was hul
Cogan and the Ultimate Warrior. And you know, I did
have an affection for the Christopher Reeves Superman and the
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Michael Keaton Batman, but it never never resonated with me
as as superhero movies started to you know, started to
creep back in, you know, to me, it was like
at that point, it was Stone Cold and the Rock
and Triple h. It's always it's always been wrestling. I
still I love comic book movies. I've never been a
big I've never been a big voracious reader of actual books.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
When you're getting ready for for hell, how do you
train your body for it? How do you you know,
where do you go to kind of because it looks
like you're doing the same stuff that these guys are doing.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah, so I I mean one of the first places
that I went with was your gym in in La
because you know, I think Zach and Justin were still
there that were there at that point, and it was
you know, I just said to them, It's like, hey, guys,
I'm not trying to get in I'm not trying to
get in shape for for a cover shoot of men's health.
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I'm trying to get in shape to be able to
roll around at wrestling ring. And you know, I'm a
decent size. I'm with six one and two hundred pounds,
but like, I'm going to be in there with people
that are formidable, and they're inevitably going to cast professional
wrestlers on the show. So the thing that I really
though they did, they did?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
They did you look like shoot, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Thank you appreciate that. But the big thing, the thing
that I never focused on prior to training for heels
and prior to getting too unbreakable was legs, legs and
trunks and hips and and uh and all that stuff.
Whereas now if I could, if I had to do
away with all workouts except for one, then I would
keep with me to take to a deserted island. Is
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leg day, leg days, recovery right, and legs and recovery right,
Like we recover you.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Hard as hard there as we train out, and that's
what people kind of miss out on.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Now do you remember it was one of my first
times working out there? Do you remember? So what happens
for the people that are uninitiated if you're listening to
this podcast you probably know. But if you're listening because
you're a fan of me.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
What have you?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
When you go to Unbreakable, you work out for sixty
minutes and then you have the option of boxing and
grappling more time, react and it'll get you at the
best of times. But after a sixty minute workout, which
is hard, can it can really knock you down.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
But the way we do it, we do it. There's
two ways to fight. You can fight like Floyd, fight
like Tyson. We're all gonna fight like Tyson. We're gonna
throw it to go. I tell our fighters all the
time too, how really give a fuck? You know who
wins or loses, as long as it doesn't go to
the decision right, and that's how we go. Most people
can't deal with that with someone come and throwing bombs
at them non stop, non stop, non stop. It's a relentlessness,
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which is the same I lived my life with. Let
listen like this. I go through business like that as well.
If you keep coming, keep coming, keep coming. Most people
don't sign up for that. They sign up to play
a sport and they'll.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Eventually go all right, I'm good, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I don't need Stephen and Mell fucking throwing bomb after
bomb after bomb after bombing me. I didn't sign up
for this, so yes, ours is different than everybody else.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
So he knocked me down at not not literally, I
took it. I took a knee in the gym and
you weren't working out. I think you were walking around
somewhere in the back and you just yelled come out
and came over and you excoriated me. Do you remember this?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Don't fuck it. Yeah, we don't show it. We don't
show we're hurt. Fucking don't Nope, we don't show it. Man.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
If I heard something retired, don't ever fucking let anybody
see it.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
So what's your logic behind that?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Okay? Ready?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
So yes, our head coach, Remember this is Randy Coutour, right,
So I learned everything about from Randy Chuck cut. Yeah,
and that's how Randy went all the time. Randy was
just a fucking nat. It was a violent knat but
it doesn't stop. And and he was the nicest guy
in the world. Off the Matt got the kids right,
Randy would just not.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
He was a torrential down for violence when he won
the when he won the one the heavyweight against some Sylvie.
He just it was just five rounds.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Stop, just breathe, and you could see like tim like
he did a Tito Ortez. It's just like he did
a Chuck Ladell in their first fight, and all like,
get us the fuck out of here with this guy.
Hen Chuck admitted he quit in that fight. Had no
idea Randy had a tour in hamstring, no clue, and
that's the whole thing. Never ever, ever knew. Had had
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Chuck known Randy tours hamstring, maybe he would given him
new life. But eventually he's like, I'm gonna learn, I'm
gonna live to fight another day because this guy has
slowing down. Well, Randy's fighting this guy. Mike Mike Van Arsdale,
great great wrestler for Dan Gable, trained with like Rashaan
Evans Nose Crew, end up becoming strength coach for them
for the number one contender spot for the light heavyweight
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championship in the world after like one of Randy's landy retirements.
Nobody knew, and Mike didn't know this until I did
a story on this and Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Randy had a staff infection going into that fight.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Staff infection to where he could not train, and he
had an ivy pick in and this.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Was like a life and debt staff infection.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Back then, you're not famous like you are now, So
you don't fight, you don't get paid, you don't pay
your rent.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
You'll pay your bills.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So Randy pulls the ivy pick out, goes down there,
and he fights, and it's the lightest he's ever been.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
He felt like shit.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Still, this guy has a fucking staff infection. He goes
in there and he fucking does what we talk about.
He wears Mike fan arsdell out and Randy goes on,
you know, we train all these football players, and he
tells all these guys also, why you don't show it?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
He said, man, I walked over to the ring and
normally we don't allow stool.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
In the cage ement, Like you cannot take a stool
in between rounds because we want if you're a fighter, Steve,
we want you to have no stool.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
And for the guy fighting you, going fuck is wrong
with Stephen Miller?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Does he not sitting to the stool and get between
their ears right, and then when you see them, look
you like your nuts. You get off on that you
forget you're crazy. I mean, you just you forget you're tired,
and you start sharpening your weapons even more. Randy's thing
was all a sudden, Randy says, the only time in
my career, I was about to die on my stool,
but instead I turned around, and the moment I turned around,
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I saw Mike van Arsdel PLoP down on.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
The stool, and Randy stood up, winked, waved to the crowd.
Fight was over.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
He went out for like another thirty but van Orzel
was already out of it. Randy just kind of ran
across one shot and it was done. But really, Mike
van Arsdel, if you didn't get suckered in by that,
all he had if he was come out swing away wildly,
and Randy would have caved and he never knew it.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
So there's a lot of ways to win a fight
like that. You know.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Chill's son is a guy we trained with for years,
same thing. He would just take it out, take it out,
take it down, take it out. He would exhaust this
shit out of you and you'd never see him tired.
So that was one of the things, Like I have
no athleticism and I'm Jewish, so I got a lot
of things against me.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And uh, I'm a little five or seven Jewish guy,
and I'm like, man, if I.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Could take some of this brandy and enhance it even more, right,
then we could we show our football players don't put
your hands on your hips. If you watch Andrew Whitworth
when he played, he would never stick his head in
his huddle. He would always stick his right ear in
the huddle and look at everybody else and then tell
the huddle, hey, number ninety two has his hands on
his hips.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Let's run at him. Oh wow, same reason they didn't
want you showing it. Yes, so people don't ever see
you're tired.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
They will think you're fucking crazy, and you'll forget you're tired,
and then you start sharpening your weapons even more.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
And it's not gonna happen with everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
But if it could happen on the number one contender slot,
I mean, shit, that's good enough.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Because you can quantify a guy by by looking at him.
You look across the cage. You know, you look across
the line because I played football a little bit in
high school and it's like, well, okay, I'm bigger than
this guy, or I'm small than this guy or the
center c but like, you can't quantify and measure crazy, right,
You just can't. And that's that's intimidating. You see a
lot of them, Yeah, I see a lot of endurance challenges.
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You know when they when they get down to two
people and these people are locked in and normally the
person gives up, not because they're not because they reach
the point of physical exhaustion, but because they look across
at the other person. I'm not mentally, I'm not mentally
at this person's level.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And Randy is a fucked up individual. And I say
this with love.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
He has the sweetest to him being off the matter
cage there, he's a different person. We had Marvel sent
in Natalie Portant for us to train I remember for
the Thor movie, right, and I was like, Hey, you're
gonna work with Randy Getorkau. You're gonna be doing some
five stuff. This guy's one of the expendables. She didn't
care and Randy on her very first day puts her
hands up and proceeds to punch her in the face
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about seventy four times. I'm like, broke. She looked like
a pez dispenser. It's Natalie Portant, bro, what the fuck
are you doing? He's like, watch us how to keep
hands up. Literally, He's like, just learn how to keep
her hands up.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I'm like, no, she doesn't, dude. But that's that's like
week five. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Never came back again. And last we saw from Naale's dormant.
But in Random's mind, he really thinks he's helping her.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
You know, I swear to God back in two I
probably think two thousand and eighteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
I was in there with my wife and we were
we were we're sparring after after the workout, and you know,
you never know who the coach is going to be,
and in this case, it happened to be former UC
heavyweight champion. Oh it's Randy. Randy okay, And so he
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gets he gets up there and and Cass and I,
Cass and Iris are sparring, and he's like, no, no, no,
you gotta like actually like try to hit her, otherwise
she's not gonna she's not gonna move. And he gets
in there. He gets in there with me and says
the same thing to her, and then he cracks me
in the face two times, and he's like, look, man,
it's just getting hit in the head. It's just getting
hit in the head. I turned him and I go, Randy,
(22:55):
I'm in my late thirties. I had never been punched
in the face before. That was the first fucking time
that hurt a lot graduations. I feel like water's coming
out of my ears, like holy shit. So yeah, I've
been punched one time in my life and it was
by Randy.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Randy control and I want people to know they're listening
to homegoing, I'll never go downbreakable. This doesn't happen normally.
Randy's out there tormenting people like this. He does it
to me quite a bit, or Jay Ron or Chuck Oddell.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And that's the coolest thing we've had. There were you
there when Chuck and Randy locked up. Stallone was in
there and damnd and the whole place stopped, like, whoa,
this is Ali and Frasier. We get to watch this.
They've never trained before.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It was the first time and Randy ran the practice,
and his practices are so brutal. Chuck and I both
we like when we had like thirty second breaks. We're
like texting people to call us. So we're like, how
to make take business calls because his fucking practice is
going to GoF for three hours. And we have Chris Pratton.
There were a lot trained under Randy. When he was
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fourteen at a wrestling camp or twelve and Oregon State
wrestling camp. Randy was the assistant coach at Oregon State
and he said, uh, the first time Chris Pratt came
in there, he said, oh, is that is that coach Cartur?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I'm like, how can you call him coach? He's like,
oh my gosh, I can't believe it's coach Gatur. I said,
what's going on? He's an avenger? You know what the
f's going on?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And he's like, man, when I was, you know, twelve
or fourteen, I was at this Oregon State wrestling camp
and the coach said, heye, one kid here, Christopher Pratt.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Really picked things up fast.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Christopher plans to a Granby roll, fireman's carry and you
know something else.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And he's like that coach was Randy Gatur.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
How about that small? Like our gym is the Kevin
Bacon of gym's that's.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Right, yeah, right, I think, And you know it helps
me a lot too, because first of all, Pratt looks
like he could have been a pro athlete.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
That dude, cav's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah, but it's you know, I growing up, I did,
like one of my goals before my one of my
goals was to be an actor. I wanted to be
a professional. I wanted to be a professional athlete. And
and it's nice going into it's nice going into Unbreakable
when I realized that even if I had really really
tried hard, probably would have made it.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Because there's just.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I mean, there are some of the cats that yeah
about it, No, I just you know, you see it,
you see it. You know when February or March rules
around and and these guys start, these guys start to
heal up from the NFL season and they start to
come back into the gym, it's like, Okay, that doesn't
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totally look like a normal human being. I couldn't. No,
I couldn't do that.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Do you notice how cool they are there?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
And that's one of the reasons I want people to
understand this about Unbreakable. It is a mental health facility.
Right for me, for my mental health issues, I need
a community, I need a family. We have no mirrors
and unbreakable, because I don't want you ever know that
no unbreakable. I don't want anybody's back turned to the
rest of the team. I need a team to kind
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of navigate the real world, if you will.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And that's my team.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's my same place, And that's why everybody in there
has zero ego. So it's more of a mental health
space where you could be vulnerable with people. It doesn't
matter who the fuck they are, like, they're all there
for the same vulnerability.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
When I'm in Los Angeles, that's my mental health break spot.
That's my that's my spot for me. I always awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
This is our teammate's great, that's.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Nice if you oh my goodness. First of all, you
go in there and they give you the norm from cheers.
You walk and like that, and at first you feel
a little weird, and then all of a sudden, within
you know, a couple of weeks, when someone comes in there,
you shout their name back, and it fosters this this
this environment where you're encouraged to go up and introduce
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yourself to people and you know and and and not
be intimidated by anyone. And you know someone like you
know a lot of people that are in there, they
can easily walk around your spot.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Oh man. So you know, Wiz works out real hard
when he gets in there. And he his son and
my daughter were in the same pres preschool class in
LA and we went to their moving on ceremony whatever
that is in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. So Wiz
is there and he's just it's he's he's such a
(27:24):
lovely guy. And you know, he and I hadn't really
talked that much. But then after the moving on ceremony,
we didn't have childcare help, so Cats and I actually
brought our daughter to the gym. Wiz is already in there.
He's working with a trainer. He's like, no, no, his
kid wasn't His kids wasn't His kid wasn't there. But
he's in there. He's like he's kickboxing and he's like
working hard. He shirtless, hes got a huge sweat. They
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were in a class they were called dragonflies. Right we
walk in there, Wiz doesn't look at me, doesn't look
at Cass spots Maverick and goes, I know what dragonfly?
When I see what comes over and wrapped off. Yeah.
So when I'm in La. It's important for me. I
set aside a time. If I go at ten or
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twelve or eight, I'm there from either eight to ten,
ten to twelve, twelve to two, and that is my time,
and bring I bring my little notebook and in between sets,
I'm certainly not looking in the mirror because it's not
an option, but I'm writing shit down as I you know,
because that it gets my creative juices flowing. No, it
is a it is. It is at its core, a
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real team environment. And I don't know what you do
with the staff. I'm terrible. I'm terrible with names. But
you obviously queue up everybody to make sure that they
remember because yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well you do something else too. I think it's really
cool with building communities, and people were talking about how
they're built, but it's through wine.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
So we my buddy and I started knocking point wine. Gosh.
It was back in twenty thirteen, you know. In two
thousand and fourteen, it was the first time that we
ever threw a party. I think our first party was
in LA but the winery is out of Walla Walla, Washington,
and we threw a spring release party for the first
time in twenty fourteen, and Walla Walla, for the uninitiated,
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is a really really small community that now has a
ton of wineries. It's very unique in terms of climate
and what have you in Washington State, southeastern part of
Washington State. I mean, they're basically there are roads where
on one side you're in Washington State and one side
you're in Oregon. And you know, a lot of people
from all over the United States and frankly a couple
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of people from from Europe as well. It made the
pilgrimage to Walla Walla and you know, here we are.
We just had our tenth annual release party this past
weekend and a lot of the people that were there
the first time we're still there the tenth time. And
we were talking on our call today because we started
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a sort of wine club based and we would throw
parties all over the United States when I was doing conventions,
and you know, I just I noticed it was this
really it was this really subtle thing where we were.
We had this private area set up for us at
the Walla Walla Suites versus Yakima. I don't know, something
triple a baseball game that they had going on there
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minor league baseball game might not have been triple A.
You know, we had someone that that came there for
the weekend and they showed up and they had just
been in a little bit of an accident. They were
on crutches and stuff like that. And I just watched
like six of our members that had become friends through
Knocking Point just get up and help this person and
give them a big hug and say hi. So when
we had our our weekly call today, we're just talking
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about the fact that, you know, we've built a really
good community of people, and it feels also it feels
like like a team. You know, when people get to
Walla Walla every year, it's like they go to their
favorite spots and they meet up with people and maybe
they don't see them, you know, except for that weekend
every year. And I just think that, you know, everybody
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needs a squad, everybody, you know, nobody, nobody can do
it alone. I mean I you know, my I think
my kids, you know, Maverick and Bowen, like they don't
know it, they're my squad, right, I need them, Cassandra
is my is my squad, you know. I The more time,
you know, the longer that we've been married, and the
longer that I've been a dad, the harder it now
(31:25):
is to ever be away from them, right because they're
my people. And if I'm I'm yeah, I mean I.
I have been on a path for a couple of
years now of really working towards getting sober, and that's
mostly been a cut back path, and it hasn't been
straightforward because you know, I've done a lot of reading,
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a lot of research about it, and you know, what
happens with certain people is if alcohol becomes a part
of your life, and it was for me for the
better part of my twenties and my and then through arrow,
alcohol became something that you just did at the end
of the day, at the end of a long day,
(32:10):
you have a drink, and there was never really a
bad moment along the way. But I'm doing a lot
of reading, and you know, eventually you can basically rewire
your brain and eventually it becomes something that you become
dependent on. And you know, you talk about the blue
and the gray. For me, I constantly, I constantly reference
this thing that I learned called halt, where if you know,
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if you're getting a craving, if you're doing of those things.
It's like, Okay, are you hungry, angry, lonely, or tired?
And you know, when it comes to building a team,
you know, you eliminate the lonely one immediately because if
I'm with my family, never lonely ever. But if i
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get stuck somewhere traveling and I'm hungry, I'm probably gonna
get a little anger read and I'm traveling, so I'm tired.
If I'm lonely, I mean, that's that's the that's the
quad box right there.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And you're looking like, all right, I have this crater
or something. I'm gonna say, halt. If any category is hit,
I'm not eating.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Is that what you do?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, if any of if any of those four are happening,
I'm immediately I mean going, how do I how do
I fix this? If it's as simple as eating something,
then then then then then eat and satiate yourself.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
You know you're hungry, right, but if you're tired, you'll
find something else.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I well, one hundred percent find something else. And that's
when it comes down to, like I think, I think
one of the first things that you do when you're
trying to you know, achieve sobriety is is you you build,
you build a network, right and and I've got I've
got seven eight people that I really trust that they
know if I call them it means that they need
(33:59):
to pick up the phone. And I'm lucky. I don't.
I don't deal with I don't deal with cravings. I
deal with boredom right right, and and and and boredom,
boredoms that is tough, you know what I mean? Or
it's just like and also to and when you go
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through I think the thing that the thing that I'm
trying to reconstruct right now is that we go through
life and almost all of your reward moments or your
moments of celebration have involved alcohol, because that's such a
normal thing for a lot of people. To then take
that away, it takes a while for you to not
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feel like you're missing something or you're missing out on something,
when when in fact, you know, being at the super
Bowl when the Rams beat the beat the Bengals and
being sober is just infinitely better than any other.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Getting tired your president, your president, that that's that's for sure,
Like I take away I take away all.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
The memories from that entire day, right like I think
I thinking back, and I think it was actually the
NFC Championship game where you know, and I was also there.
It was also so far, it was also sober, and
you know, I'm I'm there just enjoying it. And I
snapped a photo of you and Whitworth hugging on the
field back game and sent it to you, and.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You know, I was thinking about is that true? Yes?
We both? Yes?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Great?
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Good? And just to think of to think of those
two games and to juxtapose them with the NFC Championship
game in New Orleans in twenty nineteen and the Super
Bowl in Atlanta versus the Saints and the and the
past respectively. I went to both those games, but I
stressed drength the entire time. And did I have a
good time? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Did it?
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Did the night end in disaster? No? Do I have
any lasting memories. I don't. It's just all shapes. There's
no there's no cool conversations with my with our friends
George and Elissa, who you know, share seats with, or
my buddy Frank that flew in for the game, or
you know, just just for me.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
If you're if you're living this sober life now, how
are you doing the wine stuff?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Just do it. That's more a community now for you.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah, it's it's about it's it's more. It's more about community.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Drinking for you now the community.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
No, No, And you know if you're if you're doing
a wine tasting with people, you can have a few
SIPs and stuff like that. You know, I'm not a
I'm not a I'm not a hard line. You know,
you go back to zero if you do something wrong.
I think that that's a little archaic, but you know,
it becomes it just becomes about the It just becomes
about the community. Is it the most convenient thing? No,
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it's not. No, it's not to be a the walla
walla for for a wine weekend when you're not you're
not gonna have a ton to drink. Is not the easiest,
but you know, but it's listen, that's life. It happens.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Last question for me, I asked all my guests this
as their last question. Give me your a breakable moment,
that moment in your life it should have broken, you didn't,
and as a result, you came through the other side
of that tunnel stronger. You could use that now for
the rest of your life.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Damn right, why do this?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Well, I'm going to go to December of I'm going
to go to December of two thousand and two thousand
and nine and just just just getting just getting back
to Toronto and getting back to a just getting back
to a to a broken to a broken relationship and
to a person that didn't want to be with me anymore.
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And you know, with the benefit of hindsight, I realized
that obviously it was it was for the best, but
in that particular moment, my life was over. It was over.
I had no I had no prospects, I had no
I didn't think I had any friends, and that that
that broke me. I cried on my mom's shoulder on
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a Saturday morning after we broke up on the Friday night,
like like a little fucking kid that sobbed, you know,
could that cry where you can't catch your breath cry?
And then I went home and just kind of sat
there and I remember, I just I I remember taking
all of the things in the apartment that we had
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bought together and just like taking them off the wall
or removing them from a cabinet or whatever, and just
putting them all in one spot and just sitting there.
And then I called a buddy and said, hey man,
we got to go out for a beer. He's like,
where are you? I'll be there in fifteen minutes. And
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just that said, hey man, I'm struggling before.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Now we're trying to make it cool to do the
exact same thing.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, yeah, and and you know what, and and it
was just that I think that people need to remember that,
you know, even in that even in that one moment
where you think that everything is just sit you pick
up the phone and you just get that that little
spark of human connection or happiness or order some vanilla
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ice cream or something like that sounds stupid, You just
got that little spark, that little spark, and you can
build back up that fire.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Well, I can say this. I don't know if the
girl's listening right now, but did she fuck up?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
No? She didn't, No, no, you know what. There's the
thing though, it's very very very important to note. She
didn't do wrong by me. She just oh sure, okay, No,
I don't think so she's doing great. I got I got,
I got nothing, but I got nothing but love for her.
I got nothing but love for her.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Well, Man, I got nothing but love for you.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Brother. I appreciate you being my unbreakable team, my brother
in every way. Thank you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Man. Heal's two ones that come out.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Heels comes back for season two Friday night, ten o'clock
July twenty eighth, And if you are a Stars person,
get the Stars app catch up on season one. We're
gonna I think we're gonna pull a bunch of it
in front of the paywall. So if you're a wrestling fan,
if you like you know, if you like Friday night Lights,
(40:23):
if you like family drama, all that stuff, you don't
have to like wrestling to watch it. But very proud
of our second season and it's back on July twenty eighth,
my sister's birthday.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Man, I'm proud to walk this walk with you, my brother.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Jay,
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazier.
And I got a really special guest today. Good friend
of mine trains with us at Unbreakable. Also he is
a stud of an actor Before that, though, if you're
like many people, you may be surprised to learn that
one in five adults in this country experience mental illness
last year. I am definitely one of those five. Get
(00:37):
far too many failed to receive the support they need. Carolyn,
behavioral health is doing something about it. They understand that
behavioral health is a key part of whole health, delivering
compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs
in tandem.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Caryln behavioral health raising the quality of life through empathy
and action.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
With that, I want to bring in a very close
friend of mine, Steven mel who you guys may know
from Arrow, you may know from Heels, you may.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Know from a ton of things. He's had a ton
of credits but Arrow for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Heels Now is coming up up on second season, which
pretty wild, man, I dude, I went to wrestle Media
one growing up at Madison Square Garden. Muhammad Ali, Yeah,
Muhammed Ali was the referee. There's mister T and Hulkogan
against Roddy Roddy Plapper and Paul Orndorf and Jimmy super
Flassnika was in the good Guys corner and coming by
(01:31):
Bob Horton was in the other corner, and man, it
was like everything.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
For me as a twelve year old. Wow, how about that?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So I got into wrestling shortly thereafter, and then sort
of like eighty eight eighty nine because that was eighty five,
and then I went back and I bought the VHS
tapes and like went into WrestleMania one, two, three, and four,
I think, not knowing what happens. And of course you
could get away with that back in the day because
(01:58):
you're not going on the internet and finding out the results.
So yeah, wow, the garden. I've never been to Madison
Square Guard You serious for a sporting event?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
No.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
The premiere of Teenage Meeting Ninja Turtles Out of the
Shadows was in the theater where they used to have
the NBA Draft for all those years. I've never been,
never seen a Rangers game. In the next game, it's
it's kind of embarrassing at this point.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I'll tell you something.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Wow. In the nineties, I used to host a show
from there with Kurt Menafie, who's now obviously the host
of Box NFL Sunday Unnecessary Roughness.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
We were right there.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
When you walk into like going into I think beef
Steak Charlie's was next to it, and you'd go into
the garden to go watch an event. So right there
in the cavern and we could not get a guest
to show up. They would get like high school teams
to come. And the crazier part is we had a
hard time getting guests to come in. So almost every
week Strahand would come in and be our guests and
(02:56):
just to bail our asses out of this, you know,
not having somebody and it was but listen, that's how
you have to cut your teeth right, and you know,
performing in front of zero people, so you know you
you look you your big break was Outrow.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Would you say that was your biggest.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, sure, sure. I think in the way that you
in the way that you construct an acting career from
the outside looking in if you if you're not in
the business, this is the first role that's going to
or the first casting I suppose that's going to show
up in the in the sheets like variety of the
reporter or Deadline. In reality, was the tenth job that
(03:34):
I had gotten over a period of about two years
from February first, twenty ten, when I moved to LA
until February first, twenty twelve when I got asked, I
got ten different American job and CISLa and CIS CSI
Miami Vampire Diaries. There was a lifetime moving in there
(03:56):
as an HBO series, you know, New Girl, Private Practice,
and then but was Er was the first one where.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
But none as leads. Right, Er was the first lead.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Was the first lead. It was not it was not
the first series regular. But you got to think of
it like, you know, you're hosting a show with Kurt
and and you know, in order for him to eventually
become the host of Fox NFL Sunday, they've got it.
They have to see a track record. You know, they
got to trust you that you can show up, that
you can be professional, that you can do stuff on set.
But yeah, Er was the Er was the big one.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Again, I told you, like, man, you now know because
we're friendship, that I was making ninety four hundred bucks
a year for eleven years before I got my big
you know, big break, which is fifty grand. How many
years was it just rejection? Rejection, rejection, rejection before you
broke through?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, listen a mental health podcast. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Being able to deal with mental health during these issues
leads us all to mental wealth.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Well, I think that the mental health is that I
had a really sort of what I thought at the
time was a real catastrophic moment in my life, which was,
you know, I got into acting, you know, in my
early twenties when I was in Canada but in Toronto.
But the real I mean, the reason that I did it,
the reason that I was pursuing it was for fame
and fortune. That was it. I hadn't really thought about
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the fact that it was what made me happy. But
you know, I was a kid, I was in my twenties,
but I was I was stupid good and I was
and I was I was vain and I was just
I was approaching it for all the wrong angles. But
then I was in a long term relationship and I
kind of set on hard times with acting because I
wasn't going after it for the right reason, so one
(05:38):
good job wouldn't lead to to then a bigger job.
It was like I would get, you know, a big
part in a movie, like I got a big partner
Richard Attenborough film, but then I couldn't get a bit
roll in like a local Canadian soap. And then the
relationship that I was in I kind of fell on
hard times in seven eight and she just fell out
(06:02):
of love with me and left, and that crushed me.
And I mean, I thought, I don't know, I think
to this day it might have been kind of my
one of my lowest points, if not my if not
my lowest point.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
It was that.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Incident that made me take stock of what was important
in my life. And one of the things that came
up for me was acting. And so the previous seven
eight years, you know, I had a movie where I
think I made like one hundred and twenty five thousand
bucks or something like that. But then I blew it
because I didn't know what I was doing with it,
and I didn't have people in my life that were
helping me make smart to financial decisions because I was
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never really bought that by anyone. It was when I
started to get into acting and pursuing it because it
made me feel good mentally, that inevitably the money followed,
you know. But I also too, when I came out
to LA I got an apartment right in Hollywood at
Franklin and Cherokee, right off Hollywood Boulevard, you know, right
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by Musso and Franks, which you've seen once upon a
time in Hollywood, you know, you see Pitt DiCaprio go
there at the beginning of the movie to meet Pacino.
And the apartment was like thirteen hundred bucks a month.
And I didn't need anything. Once I didn't need anything,
and I started stopped caring about material things, then inevitably
you start to you start to gather them.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So well, yeah, became what became you said it used
to be famine. Fortunately the important parts for your acting. Yeah,
what became the important parts for you bracket.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Getting better at it in the early going, using it
as an exercise to really remove ego and take ego
and vanity and the superficial aspects of acting, like do
I look good enough? It is my jawline. The way
that I wanted to be, you know, getting rid of
those things focusing on improving, and then that has transitioned
(07:49):
since I got Arrow over the past ten to eleven years,
to realizing that the more that I do in my career,
the bigger platform I'm able to have. And once I'm
able to have a bigger platform that I can, then
I can then go out and I can influence people
in a positive way, be it a young kid who
you know, watches Arrow for the first time and sees
(08:11):
stuff like Oliver's character. My character in Arrow. One of
the things we really get into in the first season
is that he's suffering from post traumatic stress disorder from
this from this five year period where he was marooned
on this island and went from this young Brady kid
to the green Arrow that we meet in the pilot.
And I get people that come up to me all
(08:31):
the time that say, you know, I was deployed, or
I broke my leg and I was on bedrest, or
you know something happened and I found Arrow, And I
thought to myself, you know, if Oliver can get through
what he got through those five years on the island,
then I can deal with what I'm dealing with right now.
And that sounds that if you haven't experienced something like that,
(08:55):
that can sound hokey. It's like, okay, it's a TV show,
but the person that's saying it's you is dead serious.
They're not going to share something like that, and they're
not going to open themselves up and allow themselves to
be vulnerable and tell you something like that if they
don't really fucking mean it. And so that's a hundred
(09:15):
you know, one hundred percent. And it's like, you know,
I happened upon I've done a lot of work with it,
with a charity called fuck Cancer. And I'm assuming that
you can swear on this podcast, by the way. Oh okay,
all right, okay, okay, okay, hey.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Shit me.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I've found this charity called fuck Cancer. Sure. Back in
April of twenty twelve, my mom and I took a
photo because she was going through breast cancer for the
second time and just bald and she's going through chemo,
and you know, I shaved my head and we took
a photo and we give the middle finger to the camera.
And then someone reaches out to me and says, you know,
there's a charity called fuck cancer. And it's because I'm
(09:55):
on something like ero and I have a platform, and
I have a you know, I have social media account
that are verified and you know, have a substantial number
of followers that when I get behind something, other people
get behind it. And that's really special. That's really special.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I know you're a huge football fan because you'll text
me constantly during the Rams games, right, and look, I've
got you know from I've Got the Fight. Came as
the first host of an MMA show in America, So
I've got the Fight fans forever and the football John's
forever as well. How are comic book fans different than
let's your football fans.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
That's a that's a that's a good question. Well, you
think about it, like, if you're a fan of the
Carolina Panthers right now, you're all you're all excited for
Bryce Young, okay, but you're not walking up to Bryce
Young and going you better nail it because once he does,
it's so that, you know, comic fans they're like they're
(10:51):
assuming that he's going to succeed until he doesn't, right,
and I obviously hopefully he does. It seems like, by
all accounts, seems like a like a really good player
and a really really solid individual. But when I got Arrow.
First of all, fans were mad that it wasn't Justin Hartley,
who played the character on Smallville, which ended in twenty ten.
(11:12):
You know, just like, yeah, you know, I don't think. Yeah,
it has been a couple of years, but yeah, one
hundred percent, I think that was Actually I think Unbreakable
might have been the first place that I ever met
welling to Tom Well, yeah, who's a lovely guy. So
the first thing isiss. They're pissed that it's not him,
and then you know, we shoot the pilot and the
(11:35):
trailer comes out. People like the trailer and they're excited
about the trailer. But I went to Comic Con in
San Diego in twenty twelve, and my basic, the basic
thing that I got from comic book fans was Okay,
Green Arrow doesn't belong to you, Green Arrow belongs to me.
I've been a fan of Green Arrow for thirty years.
(11:56):
I'm very excited for the show. Don't mess it up.
What they said to me, not in not in not
in so many words. And so it is a.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Similar thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yeah exactly, But it's like, but once you get in there,
they're with you forever, forever. Now granted, if I mean,
if I kept playing Arrow for thirty years and I'm
starting to creak up and down the Arrowcave because I
can't I can't walk properly anymore because they need hit replacements,
then maybe they turn on me then. But no, there
is a there is a similarity there.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
They are.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
They're fiercely protective of the thing that they like. Like
people are saying to me. People say to me all
the time, well, you're you're DC. You'd never do Marble, right,
It's like, well, and set out to play a d
C character. That's just sort of how it happened. If
someone approached me to do something in the Marble universe,
I'd look at it the same way if someone from
(12:49):
the DC film side approached me to play Arrow or
play something else, or if or if they wanted me
to become part of the John Wick franchise or something
like that.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So, yeah, we're are you more passionate about comics for wrestling?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Wrestling? Wrestling was my first love before there was before
I discovered the Blue Jays, Before you know, the twelve
year old me had his heartbroken by the by the
by Wayne Gretzky and the La Kings when they beat
the Maple Leafs. You know, it was it was hul
Cogan and the Ultimate Warrior. And you know, I did
have an affection for the Christopher Reeves Superman and the
(13:24):
Michael Keaton Batman, but it never never resonated with me
as as superhero movies started to you know, started to
creep back in, you know, to me, it was like
at that point, it was Stone Cold and the Rock
and Triple h. It's always it's always been wrestling. I
still I love comic book movies. I've never been a
big I've never been a big voracious reader of actual books.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
When you're getting ready for for hell, how do you
train your body for it? How do you you know,
where do you go to kind of because it looks
like you're doing the same stuff that these guys are doing.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah, so I I mean one of the first places
that I went with was your gym in in La
because you know, I think Zach and Justin were still
there that were there at that point, and it was
you know, I just said to them, It's like, hey, guys,
I'm not trying to get in I'm not trying to
get in shape for for a cover shoot of men's health.
(14:19):
I'm trying to get in shape to be able to
roll around at wrestling ring. And you know, I'm a
decent size. I'm with six one and two hundred pounds,
but like, I'm going to be in there with people
that are formidable, and they're inevitably going to cast professional
wrestlers on the show. So the thing that I really
though they did, they did?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
They did you look like shoot, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Thank you appreciate that. But the big thing, the thing
that I never focused on prior to training for heels
and prior to getting too unbreakable was legs, legs and
trunks and hips and and uh and all that stuff.
Whereas now if I could, if I had to do
away with all workouts except for one, then I would
keep with me to take to a deserted island. Is
(15:02):
leg day, leg days, recovery right, and legs and recovery right,
Like we recover you.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Hard as hard there as we train out, and that's
what people kind of miss out on.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Now do you remember it was one of my first
times working out there? Do you remember? So what happens
for the people that are uninitiated if you're listening to
this podcast you probably know. But if you're listening because
you're a fan of me.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
What have you?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
When you go to Unbreakable, you work out for sixty
minutes and then you have the option of boxing and
grappling more time, react and it'll get you at the
best of times. But after a sixty minute workout, which
is hard, can it can really knock you down.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
But the way we do it, we do it. There's
two ways to fight. You can fight like Floyd, fight
like Tyson. We're all gonna fight like Tyson. We're gonna
throw it to go. I tell our fighters all the
time too, how really give a fuck? You know who
wins or loses, as long as it doesn't go to
the decision right, and that's how we go. Most people
can't deal with that with someone come and throwing bombs
at them non stop, non stop, non stop. It's a relentlessness,
(15:59):
which is the same I lived my life with. Let
listen like this. I go through business like that as well.
If you keep coming, keep coming, keep coming. Most people
don't sign up for that. They sign up to play
a sport and they'll.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Eventually go all right, I'm good, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I don't need Stephen and Mell fucking throwing bomb after
bomb after bomb after bombing me. I didn't sign up
for this, so yes, ours is different than everybody else.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
So he knocked me down at not not literally, I
took it. I took a knee in the gym and
you weren't working out. I think you were walking around
somewhere in the back and you just yelled come out
and came over and you excoriated me. Do you remember this?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Don't fuck it. Yeah, we don't show it. We don't
show we're hurt. Fucking don't Nope, we don't show it. Man.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
If I heard something retired, don't ever fucking let anybody
see it.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
So what's your logic behind that?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Okay? Ready?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
So yes, our head coach, Remember this is Randy Coutour, right,
So I learned everything about from Randy Chuck cut. Yeah,
and that's how Randy went all the time. Randy was
just a fucking nat. It was a violent knat but
it doesn't stop. And and he was the nicest guy
in the world. Off the Matt got the kids right,
Randy would just not.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
He was a torrential down for violence when he won
the when he won the one the heavyweight against some Sylvie.
He just it was just five rounds.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Stop, just breathe, and you could see like tim like
he did a Tito Ortez. It's just like he did
a Chuck Ladell in their first fight, and all like,
get us the fuck out of here with this guy.
Hen Chuck admitted he quit in that fight. Had no
idea Randy had a tour in hamstring, no clue, and
that's the whole thing. Never ever, ever knew. Had had
(17:33):
Chuck known Randy tours hamstring, maybe he would given him
new life. But eventually he's like, I'm gonna learn, I'm
gonna live to fight another day because this guy has
slowing down. Well, Randy's fighting this guy. Mike Mike Van Arsdale,
great great wrestler for Dan Gable, trained with like Rashaan
Evans Nose Crew, end up becoming strength coach for them
for the number one contender spot for the light heavyweight
(17:56):
championship in the world after like one of Randy's landy retirements.
Nobody knew, and Mike didn't know this until I did
a story on this and Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Randy had a staff infection going into that fight.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Staff infection to where he could not train, and he
had an ivy pick in and this.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Was like a life and debt staff infection.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Back then, you're not famous like you are now, So
you don't fight, you don't get paid, you don't pay
your rent.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
You'll pay your bills.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So Randy pulls the ivy pick out, goes down there,
and he fights, and it's the lightest he's ever been.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
He felt like shit.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Still, this guy has a fucking staff infection. He goes
in there and he fucking does what we talk about.
He wears Mike fan arsdell out and Randy goes on,
you know, we train all these football players, and he
tells all these guys also, why you don't show it?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
He said, man, I walked over to the ring and
normally we don't allow stool.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
In the cage ement, Like you cannot take a stool
in between rounds because we want if you're a fighter, Steve,
we want you to have no stool.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
And for the guy fighting you, going fuck is wrong
with Stephen Miller?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Does he not sitting to the stool and get between
their ears right, and then when you see them, look
you like your nuts. You get off on that you
forget you're crazy. I mean, you just you forget you're tired,
and you start sharpening your weapons even more. Randy's thing
was all a sudden, Randy says, the only time in
my career, I was about to die on my stool,
but instead I turned around, and the moment I turned around,
(19:21):
I saw Mike van Arsdel PLoP down on.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
The stool, and Randy stood up, winked, waved to the crowd.
Fight was over.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
He went out for like another thirty but van Orzel
was already out of it. Randy just kind of ran
across one shot and it was done. But really, Mike
van Arsdel, if you didn't get suckered in by that,
all he had if he was come out swing away wildly,
and Randy would have caved and he never knew it.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
So there's a lot of ways to win a fight
like that. You know.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Chill's son is a guy we trained with for years,
same thing. He would just take it out, take it out,
take it down, take it out. He would exhaust this
shit out of you and you'd never see him tired.
So that was one of the things, Like I have
no athleticism and I'm Jewish, so I got a lot
of things against me.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And uh, I'm a little five or seven Jewish guy,
and I'm like, man, if I.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Could take some of this brandy and enhance it even more, right,
then we could we show our football players don't put
your hands on your hips. If you watch Andrew Whitworth
when he played, he would never stick his head in
his huddle. He would always stick his right ear in
the huddle and look at everybody else and then tell
the huddle, hey, number ninety two has his hands on
his hips.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Let's run at him. Oh wow, same reason they didn't
want you showing it. Yes, so people don't ever see
you're tired.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
They will think you're fucking crazy, and you'll forget you're tired,
and then you start sharpening your weapons even more.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
And it's not gonna happen with everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
But if it could happen on the number one contender slot,
I mean, shit, that's good enough.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Because you can quantify a guy by by looking at him.
You look across the cage. You know, you look across
the line because I played football a little bit in
high school and it's like, well, okay, I'm bigger than
this guy, or I'm small than this guy or the
center c but like, you can't quantify and measure crazy, right,
You just can't. And that's that's intimidating. You see a
lot of them, Yeah, I see a lot of endurance challenges.
(21:08):
You know when they when they get down to two
people and these people are locked in and normally the
person gives up, not because they're not because they reach
the point of physical exhaustion, but because they look across
at the other person. I'm not mentally, I'm not mentally
at this person's level.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
And Randy is a fucked up individual. And I say
this with love.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
He has the sweetest to him being off the matter
cage there, he's a different person. We had Marvel sent
in Natalie Portant for us to train I remember for
the Thor movie, right, and I was like, Hey, you're
gonna work with Randy Getorkau. You're gonna be doing some
five stuff. This guy's one of the expendables. She didn't
care and Randy on her very first day puts her
hands up and proceeds to punch her in the face
(21:50):
about seventy four times. I'm like, broke. She looked like
a pez dispenser. It's Natalie Portant, bro, what the fuck
are you doing? He's like, watch us how to keep
hands up. Literally, He's like, just learn how to keep
her hands up.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I'm like, no, she doesn't, dude. But that's that's like
week five. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Never came back again. And last we saw from Naale's dormant.
But in Random's mind, he really thinks he's helping her.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
You know, I swear to God back in two I
probably think two thousand and eighteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
I was in there with my wife and we were
we were we're sparring after after the workout, and you know,
you never know who the coach is going to be,
and in this case, it happened to be former UC
heavyweight champion. Oh it's Randy. Randy okay, And so he
(22:34):
gets he gets up there and and Cass and I,
Cass and Iris are sparring, and he's like, no, no, no,
you gotta like actually like try to hit her, otherwise
she's not gonna she's not gonna move. And he gets
in there. He gets in there with me and says
the same thing to her, and then he cracks me
in the face two times, and he's like, look, man,
it's just getting hit in the head. It's just getting
hit in the head. I turned him and I go, Randy,
(22:55):
I'm in my late thirties. I had never been punched
in the face before. That was the first fucking time
that hurt a lot graduations. I feel like water's coming
out of my ears, like holy shit. So yeah, I've
been punched one time in my life and it was
by Randy.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Randy control and I want people to know they're listening
to homegoing, I'll never go downbreakable. This doesn't happen normally.
Randy's out there tormenting people like this. He does it
to me quite a bit, or Jay Ron or Chuck Oddell.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And that's the coolest thing we've had. There were you
there when Chuck and Randy locked up. Stallone was in
there and damnd and the whole place stopped, like, whoa,
this is Ali and Frasier. We get to watch this.
They've never trained before.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It was the first time and Randy ran the practice,
and his practices are so brutal. Chuck and I both
we like when we had like thirty second breaks. We're
like texting people to call us. So we're like, how
to make take business calls because his fucking practice is
going to GoF for three hours. And we have Chris Pratton.
There were a lot trained under Randy. When he was
(23:55):
fourteen at a wrestling camp or twelve and Oregon State
wrestling camp. Randy was the assistant coach at Oregon State
and he said, uh, the first time Chris Pratt came
in there, he said, oh, is that is that coach Cartur?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I'm like, how can you call him coach? He's like,
oh my gosh, I can't believe it's coach Gatur. I said,
what's going on? He's an avenger? You know what the
f's going on?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And he's like, man, when I was, you know, twelve
or fourteen, I was at this Oregon State wrestling camp
and the coach said, heye, one kid here, Christopher Pratt.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Really picked things up fast.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Christopher plans to a Granby roll, fireman's carry and you
know something else.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
And he's like that coach was Randy Gatur.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
How about that small? Like our gym is the Kevin
Bacon of gym's that's.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Right, yeah, right, I think, And you know it helps
me a lot too, because first of all, Pratt looks
like he could have been a pro athlete.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
That dude, cav's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah, but it's you know, I growing up, I did,
like one of my goals before my one of my
goals was to be an actor. I wanted to be
a professional. I wanted to be a professional athlete. And
and it's nice going into it's nice going into Unbreakable
when I realized that even if I had really really
tried hard, probably would have made it.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Because there's just.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I mean, there are some of the cats that yeah
about it, No, I just you know, you see it,
you see it. You know when February or March rules
around and and these guys start, these guys start to
heal up from the NFL season and they start to
come back into the gym, it's like, Okay, that doesn't
(25:31):
totally look like a normal human being. I couldn't. No,
I couldn't do that.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Do you notice how cool they are there?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
And that's one of the reasons I want people to
understand this about Unbreakable. It is a mental health facility.
Right for me, for my mental health issues, I need
a community, I need a family. We have no mirrors
and unbreakable, because I don't want you ever know that
no unbreakable. I don't want anybody's back turned to the
rest of the team. I need a team to kind
(25:57):
of navigate the real world, if you will.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And that's my team.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's my same place, And that's why everybody in there
has zero ego. So it's more of a mental health
space where you could be vulnerable with people. It doesn't
matter who the fuck they are, like, they're all there
for the same vulnerability.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
When I'm in Los Angeles, that's my mental health break spot.
That's my that's my spot for me. I always awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
This is our teammate's great, that's.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Nice if you oh my goodness. First of all, you
go in there and they give you the norm from cheers.
You walk and like that, and at first you feel
a little weird, and then all of a sudden, within
you know, a couple of weeks, when someone comes in there,
you shout their name back, and it fosters this this
this environment where you're encouraged to go up and introduce
(26:46):
yourself to people and you know and and and not
be intimidated by anyone. And you know someone like you
know a lot of people that are in there, they
can easily walk around your spot.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Oh man. So you know, Wiz works out real hard
when he gets in there. And he his son and
my daughter were in the same pres preschool class in
LA and we went to their moving on ceremony whatever
that is in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. So Wiz
is there and he's just it's he's he's such a
(27:24):
lovely guy. And you know, he and I hadn't really
talked that much. But then after the moving on ceremony,
we didn't have childcare help, so Cats and I actually
brought our daughter to the gym. Wiz is already in there.
He's working with a trainer. He's like, no, no, his
kid wasn't His kids wasn't His kid wasn't there. But
he's in there. He's like he's kickboxing and he's like
working hard. He shirtless, hes got a huge sweat. They
(27:46):
were in a class they were called dragonflies. Right we
walk in there, Wiz doesn't look at me, doesn't look
at Cass spots Maverick and goes, I know what dragonfly?
When I see what comes over and wrapped off. Yeah.
So when I'm in La. It's important for me. I
set aside a time. If I go at ten or
(28:07):
twelve or eight, I'm there from either eight to ten,
ten to twelve, twelve to two, and that is my time,
and bring I bring my little notebook and in between sets,
I'm certainly not looking in the mirror because it's not
an option, but I'm writing shit down as I you know,
because that it gets my creative juices flowing. No, it
is a it is. It is at its core, a
(28:29):
real team environment. And I don't know what you do
with the staff. I'm terrible. I'm terrible with names. But
you obviously queue up everybody to make sure that they
remember because yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well you do something else too. I think it's really
cool with building communities, and people were talking about how
they're built, but it's through wine.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
So we my buddy and I started knocking point wine. Gosh.
It was back in twenty thirteen, you know. In two
thousand and fourteen, it was the first time that we
ever threw a party. I think our first party was
in LA but the winery is out of Walla Walla, Washington,
and we threw a spring release party for the first
time in twenty fourteen, and Walla Walla, for the uninitiated,
(29:13):
is a really really small community that now has a
ton of wineries. It's very unique in terms of climate
and what have you in Washington State, southeastern part of
Washington State. I mean, they're basically there are roads where
on one side you're in Washington State and one side
you're in Oregon. And you know, a lot of people
from all over the United States and frankly a couple
(29:35):
of people from from Europe as well. It made the
pilgrimage to Walla Walla and you know, here we are.
We just had our tenth annual release party this past
weekend and a lot of the people that were there
the first time we're still there the tenth time. And
we were talking on our call today because we started
(29:57):
a sort of wine club based and we would throw
parties all over the United States when I was doing conventions,
and you know, I just I noticed it was this
really it was this really subtle thing where we were.
We had this private area set up for us at
the Walla Walla Suites versus Yakima. I don't know, something
triple a baseball game that they had going on there
(30:20):
minor league baseball game might not have been triple A.
You know, we had someone that that came there for
the weekend and they showed up and they had just
been in a little bit of an accident. They were
on crutches and stuff like that. And I just watched
like six of our members that had become friends through
Knocking Point just get up and help this person and
give them a big hug and say hi. So when
we had our our weekly call today, we're just talking
(30:43):
about the fact that, you know, we've built a really
good community of people, and it feels also it feels
like like a team. You know, when people get to
Walla Walla every year, it's like they go to their
favorite spots and they meet up with people and maybe
they don't see them, you know, except for that weekend
every year. And I just think that, you know, everybody
(31:03):
needs a squad, everybody, you know, nobody, nobody can do
it alone. I mean I you know, my I think
my kids, you know, Maverick and Bowen, like they don't
know it, they're my squad, right, I need them, Cassandra
is my is my squad, you know. I The more time,
you know, the longer that we've been married, and the
longer that I've been a dad, the harder it now
(31:25):
is to ever be away from them, right because they're
my people. And if I'm I'm yeah, I mean I.
I have been on a path for a couple of
years now of really working towards getting sober, and that's
mostly been a cut back path, and it hasn't been
straightforward because you know, I've done a lot of reading,
(31:48):
a lot of research about it, and you know, what
happens with certain people is if alcohol becomes a part
of your life, and it was for me for the
better part of my twenties and my and then through arrow,
alcohol became something that you just did at the end
of the day, at the end of a long day,
(32:10):
you have a drink, and there was never really a
bad moment along the way. But I'm doing a lot
of reading, and you know, eventually you can basically rewire
your brain and eventually it becomes something that you become
dependent on. And you know, you talk about the blue
and the gray. For me, I constantly, I constantly reference
this thing that I learned called halt, where if you know,
(32:33):
if you're getting a craving, if you're doing of those things.
It's like, Okay, are you hungry, angry, lonely, or tired?
And you know, when it comes to building a team,
you know, you eliminate the lonely one immediately because if
I'm with my family, never lonely ever. But if i
(32:55):
get stuck somewhere traveling and I'm hungry, I'm probably gonna
get a little anger read and I'm traveling, so I'm tired.
If I'm lonely, I mean, that's that's the that's the
quad box right there.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And you're looking like, all right, I have this crater
or something. I'm gonna say, halt. If any category is hit,
I'm not eating.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Is that what you do?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, if any of if any of those four are happening,
I'm immediately I mean going, how do I how do
I fix this? If it's as simple as eating something,
then then then then then eat and satiate yourself.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
You know you're hungry, right, but if you're tired, you'll
find something else.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I well, one hundred percent find something else. And that's
when it comes down to, like I think, I think
one of the first things that you do when you're
trying to you know, achieve sobriety is is you you build,
you build a network, right and and I've got I've
got seven eight people that I really trust that they
know if I call them it means that they need
(33:59):
to pick up the phone. And I'm lucky. I don't.
I don't deal with I don't deal with cravings. I
deal with boredom right right, and and and and boredom,
boredoms that is tough, you know what I mean? Or
it's just like and also to and when you go
(34:22):
through I think the thing that the thing that I'm
trying to reconstruct right now is that we go through
life and almost all of your reward moments or your
moments of celebration have involved alcohol, because that's such a
normal thing for a lot of people. To then take
that away, it takes a while for you to not
(34:44):
feel like you're missing something or you're missing out on something,
when when in fact, you know, being at the super
Bowl when the Rams beat the beat the Bengals and
being sober is just infinitely better than any other.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Getting tired your president, your president, that that's that's for sure,
Like I take away I take away all.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
The memories from that entire day, right like I think
I thinking back, and I think it was actually the
NFC Championship game where you know, and I was also there.
It was also so far, it was also sober, and
you know, I'm I'm there just enjoying it. And I
snapped a photo of you and Whitworth hugging on the
field back game and sent it to you, and.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You know, I was thinking about is that true? Yes?
We both? Yes?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Great?
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Good? And just to think of to think of those
two games and to juxtapose them with the NFC Championship
game in New Orleans in twenty nineteen and the Super
Bowl in Atlanta versus the Saints and the and the
past respectively. I went to both those games, but I
stressed drength the entire time. And did I have a
good time? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Did it?
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Did the night end in disaster? No? Do I have
any lasting memories. I don't. It's just all shapes. There's
no there's no cool conversations with my with our friends
George and Elissa, who you know, share seats with, or
my buddy Frank that flew in for the game, or
you know, just just for me.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
If you're if you're living this sober life now, how
are you doing the wine stuff?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Just do it. That's more a community now for you.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah, it's it's about it's it's more. It's more about community.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Drinking for you now the community.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
No, No, And you know if you're if you're doing
a wine tasting with people, you can have a few
SIPs and stuff like that. You know, I'm not a
I'm not a I'm not a hard line. You know,
you go back to zero if you do something wrong.
I think that that's a little archaic, but you know,
it becomes it just becomes about the It just becomes
about the community. Is it the most convenient thing? No,
(36:51):
it's not. No, it's not to be a the walla
walla for for a wine weekend when you're not you're
not gonna have a ton to drink. Is not the easiest,
but you know, but it's listen, that's life. It happens.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Last question for me, I asked all my guests this
as their last question. Give me your a breakable moment,
that moment in your life it should have broken, you didn't,
and as a result, you came through the other side
of that tunnel stronger. You could use that now for
the rest of your life.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Damn right, why do this?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Well, I'm going to go to December of I'm going
to go to December of two thousand and two thousand
and nine and just just just getting just getting back
to Toronto and getting back to a just getting back
to a to a broken to a broken relationship and
to a person that didn't want to be with me anymore.
(37:46):
And you know, with the benefit of hindsight, I realized
that obviously it was it was for the best, but
in that particular moment, my life was over. It was over.
I had no I had no prospects, I had no
I didn't think I had any friends, and that that
that broke me. I cried on my mom's shoulder on
(38:09):
a Saturday morning after we broke up on the Friday night,
like like a little fucking kid that sobbed, you know,
could that cry where you can't catch your breath cry?
And then I went home and just kind of sat
there and I remember, I just I I remember taking
all of the things in the apartment that we had
(38:31):
bought together and just like taking them off the wall
or removing them from a cabinet or whatever, and just
putting them all in one spot and just sitting there.
And then I called a buddy and said, hey man,
we got to go out for a beer. He's like,
where are you? I'll be there in fifteen minutes. And
(38:55):
just that said, hey man, I'm struggling before.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Now we're trying to make it cool to do the
exact same thing.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, yeah, and and you know what, and and it
was just that I think that people need to remember that,
you know, even in that even in that one moment
where you think that everything is just sit you pick
up the phone and you just get that that little
spark of human connection or happiness or order some vanilla
(39:24):
ice cream or something like that sounds stupid, You just
got that little spark, that little spark, and you can
build back up that fire.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Well, I can say this. I don't know if the
girl's listening right now, but did she fuck up?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
No? She didn't, No, no, you know what. There's the
thing though, it's very very very important to note. She
didn't do wrong by me. She just oh sure, okay, No,
I don't think so she's doing great. I got I got,
I got nothing, but I got nothing but love for her.
I got nothing but love for her.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Well, Man, I got nothing but love for you.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Brother. I appreciate you being my unbreakable team, my brother
in every way. Thank you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Man. Heal's two ones that come out.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Heels comes back for season two Friday night, ten o'clock
July twenty eighth, And if you are a Stars person,
get the Stars app catch up on season one. We're
gonna I think we're gonna pull a bunch of it
in front of the paywall. So if you're a wrestling fan,
if you like you know, if you like Friday night Lights,
(40:23):
if you like family drama, all that stuff, you don't
have to like wrestling to watch it. But very proud
of our second season and it's back on July twenty eighth,
my sister's birthday.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Man, I'm proud to walk this walk with you, my brother.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
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