Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger talk NFL Drama and MLB Trade Deadline!

Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger talk MLB Trade Deadline, FSR MLB Insider Jon Paul Morosi joins the show, Sean Payton & the Jets war of words, non-favorites they'd pick to win the Super Bowl, and more!

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the first Sunday in a long time that we are
overloaded with stories. You know, I get a little dog
days this summer, and I get that. As we approach
though the Major League Baseball trade deadline, John Palmrosi, our
Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider, will give us the latest
there a couple of days until the big deadline. And

(00:47):
of course all NFL teams are in training camp right now,
which means we got a lot of NFL news to
get to. So good times right now in the sports world. Now.
Rich is on the East Coast. I talked to Rich
the other day. He's doing a little family vacation time.
We're trying to get him hooked up right now. So
as soon as we get Rich hooked up. We'll check

(01:07):
in with him and his thoughts of what's going to
transpire this week. We have, we got some major League
Baseball news for you, and one of the things we're
gonna be talking about with John Paul MOROSEI is what
happened to the New York Mets. I mean, this was
a team that won one hundred and one games a
year ago. They jacked up their payroll to about three

(01:29):
hundred and fifty million dollars, and now they're unloading. They
get rid of their ace closer, Max Scherzer, was dealt
to the Rangers. And one of the hot rumors right
now is that Justin Verlander, who they acquired from Houston. Remember,
he had signed this deal with the Mets after posting

(01:50):
a cy young season a year ago for the Astros,
his third such season, and he got the same contract
that Chuers had got in access of forty three million
dollars for the season. Now, both these pitchers struggled out
of the gate. And I still believe, and I'm going
to discuss this with JP when he comes on, that

(02:13):
the idea of a pitch clock in Major League Baseball
I think had an adverse effect, mostly on some of
the veteran pitchers. I mean, when you're used to pitching
one way over fifteen to twenty years and you're not
really conscious of a clock. I think those were the
pitchers that were most effective. Now Dodger fans made counter
Samal didn't seem to have any adverse effect on a

(02:35):
Clayton kershop. He may have been the exception. The good
news as far as both Schurzer and Verlander's concern is
that Scherzer has been pitching much better and now of
course has put himself in a position with a team
very much in the chase as far as the playoffs
in the American League, the Texas Rangers, and if Justin

(02:55):
Verlander were to land in a Dodgers uniform, I think
that would be huge for the Dodgers. Despite his struggles
this year, in his last six starts, he's got a
four and one record with a one sixty four ERA.
So Verlander scenes on top of the game. So we
got all these stories going on with Major League Baseball,
the non trade, the show. Hey Otani, Now, if you

(03:17):
were listening a week ago, I was sitting here making
the argument that if I were Ardy Moreno, the owner
of the Angels, I would publicly come out prior to
the trade deadline and say I am not trading show
Hey Otani. Now, Rich, who's not here yet, to defend

(03:41):
his stance, said I think that's going a little extreme,
and I said no, no, no, because I think what
we're trying to do here, if you're already moreno, is
to make the message clear we don't ever want to
see you in any uniform other than an Angel's uniform.
And I think it worked because the next time we

(04:04):
saw Atani for the field after that public statement from
Marino and the Angels organization, in a doubleheader, he threw
a complete game, one hit shutout in the first game
of the doubleheader, and then hit two home runs in
the second. Hey, I mean again, Otani is so off
the chart, so there is no Otani deal. But I
look at teams like the Mets, and I look at

(04:26):
teams like the Podres, who invested a lot of money
in the offseason after being playoff teams a year ago
to try to get to the next level, and the
idea that they are sort of out of it in
the wildcard chase. I think they're both in that six
six and a half game out of the Wildcard chase.
As far as the standis are concerned, Look what's happened

(04:46):
to the Cubs. Everyone assumed the Cubs are going to
just have a fire sale because it had been such
a disappointing season. But whoa, whoa, whoa. Eight straight wins
and suddenly they're back in the chase. So there was
top Cody Bellinger might be one of those players that
could be Marketing's had a pretty solid season for the
Cubs after leaving the Dodgers, and now they're saying, oh,

(05:08):
we're good. Such a long season, right, such a long season.
So if you're five six games out of the wild
Card with sixty games to go, are you really eliminated?
I don't think so. So we hear a lot of
noise about which teams are gonna make deals, which teams
are not gonna make deals, and we're gonna break it
down with John Paul Morosi, who is gonna be joining

(05:30):
us coming up here shortly. Also, we got a lot
of NFL news we're gonna get to and I think
the biggest story right now is Dalvin Cook is hanging
out with the Jets. And if you're Dalvin Cook, well,
let's back up a little bit here. The Jets make
the commitment to Aaron Rodgers and then it's reciprocated by Rogers,

(05:53):
who reworks his deal leaves thirty five million dollars on
the table to get a deal done to free up
some cap space for the Jets, specifically to get a
player of the caliber of Dalvin Cook. This is impressive.
It's impressive from Aaron Rodgers' standpoint that really, for the

(06:17):
first time in his career, he's been willing to take less.
He never afforded the Packers that he always demanded and
got top dollar from the Packers, but he recognizes that
he has an opportunity with the Jets and if they
could add someone of the caliber of a Dalvin Cook, yeah,
it suddenly makes them a more serious contender. So he's

(06:38):
been watching practice, he's been hanging out with the team.
So we're gonna get into the Dalvin Cook story. Also,
the Jonathan Taylor story with the Colts is also an
interesting story because you had Jim Ersay, the owner of
the team, when that running backs meeting that was put
together by Austin Eckler really came out of this saying, hey,

(06:59):
we're you're being persecuted. Ersay counted by saying, we have
a collective bargaining agreement for one position. To suddenly say
that there's some kind of bias versus the position is
out of line. Well, meanwhile, I got Jonathan Taylor, one
of the top running backs in the league, in the
last year of his rookie deal. He here's what the
owner says, and I want out of here, and Ersay's like,

(07:21):
uh no, You're not going anywhere. In fact, let's hear
what Ersay had to say yesterday about this Jonathan Taylor situation.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
If I die tonight and Jonathan Taylor's out of the league,
no one's gonna miss us.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
The league goes on. I mean, you know, we know
that the National Football rolls on. It doesn't matter. You
know who who comes and who goes.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Gee, don't you love to hear that? Is you're a
star player for your team, your owner. Anyway, the bottom
line is is that he's under contract the Colts. He's
not going anywhere, and unless he wants to sit out
a season and not get paid, that to me is
never a good idea. In fact, the overwhelming majority of

(08:08):
players that have tried to pull that stunt. Have regretted
it because you literally have thrown away millions and millions
of dollars. So we'll get you a look at any
new developments. A lot of stories coming out of the
National Football League. We're taking an early break. We're gonna
get to John Palmer Rossi or Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider.

(08:29):
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Steve Arvin, Rich Hornberger Fox Sports Sunday. Here you going
into the break. I had Saturday still on my mind.
Just football's on my mind right now. By the way,
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(09:51):
the football season where I get a full dose of
the college football scene on Saturdays, and then on Sundays,
of course we get NF football. So looking forward to
that over the next couple of weeks. Got the Hall
of Fame game coming up. You know, I'm a Hall
of Fame nut. In fact, Rich, as we continue to
wait to try to hook up with Rich on the
East Coast right now, he hates when I talk Hall

(10:12):
of Fame. I mean, he just he has such a
disdain for any kind of awards or honors or anything else.
I don't understand that. I mean, I'm like Immerston, I'm
so into the kind of stuff. So get I look
forward to the Pro Football Hall of Fame is going
to have their induction ceremonies. The game itself is meaningless,
but it does give us a little taste of the

(10:33):
start of the NFL season. We're going to be joining
here shortly John Palmerrosi or Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider.
We'll talk about all these latest trade rumors. And really
what I'm looking at is the standings right now in
Major League Baseball. And you have to, I guess, ask yourself,
when are you really out of it in terms of

(10:56):
the wild card chase. So if you look at the
National League right now, now that the Cubs have rattled
off eight straight wins, they're three out of the wildcard chase,
so they're obviously in it, right I mean, we still
have fifty eight games to go, and you're three back,
and you don't have a lot of teams to leap

(11:17):
frog over. So the Giants and the Phillies are the
two teams in, and then the Reds, Marlins and Diamondbacks
are just bunched together. So you would say, well, it's
not just how many games out, it's how many teams
you actually have to leap over to get there. In
other words, you need to continue to win. But some

(11:38):
other teams need to back up a little bit. So
the Cubs are three out of the wildcard and then
the next team is the pod Race. Now there's been
all kinds of rumors about the pod Rays unloading deals
that are expiring, like Blake Snow's had an outstanding season
suddenly looking like the Saygung Award winner that he was
back in the day, and Josh Hater Well, to clarify

(12:02):
who is actually as we come a little bit closer
to this trade deadline, a buyer or a seller is
our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider John Palm Morosi is
joining us right now, so JP, we don't have Rich
with us yet, So just you and me, I want
to I want to cide to clarify in your opinion

(12:23):
the idea of like where is the line of those
that are you know, still in the chase and those
whose season is lost? Because I'm trying to determine that
with you know, almost sixty games to go in the
regular season, where do you draw the line for the teams?

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Yeah, Steve, and good morning, great to with you. I
think a couple of things stand out to me. You're
probably realistically, if you're much more than five games back
from a playoff spot, you're out of it as far
as I'm concerned, especially if you've got to jump over
a number of teams. That's where, for example, you've got

(13:03):
the Los Angeles Angels. We know very publicly they're planning
to keep Otani, but they've lost two straight. They're now
five back of the second wild card. They've got to
pass up three teams to get in. The Mariners are
even further back than the Angels. They're five and a
half back. At that point, you're talking about probably like
a ten percent chance of making the playoffs. And then meanwhile,

(13:25):
on the National League side of the Ledger, I know
you're talking about the Padres a bit earlier. They're just
not as hot right now as the Cubs. For example,
the Cubs are two and a half games ahead of
where the Padres are. The Potters are still three games
under five hundred. I have a hard time, and I
know aj brother is always going to want to go
for it, but I just have a hard time Steve

(13:47):
recommending or suggesting that a team should be a buyer
when they're below five hundred and a half to pass
four teams, which is exactly where the Padres find themselves
right now.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, part of the problem for A. J. Preller is
he was given a blank checkbook by Peter Seiler, the
owner of the team, to take this team from a
great postseason run a year ago to the next level,
and they have faded miserably. If he concedes the season,
then he's saying, yeah, I aft up again, again and again.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Preler is one of those guys that I know. He's
a baseball junkie. The media loves him because he'll talk
baseball all day long. But he's been on the job
almost a decade now and has produced zero division titles,
only a couple of winning seasons, and now they've taken
another step backwards. All right, let's stay with the Padres
right now because they have a couple of expiring deals.

(14:39):
Blake Snell has pitched probably the best we've seen him
since his Cy Young Award year back with the Rays.
And you got Josh Hater, obviously still one of the
premier closers in Major League Baseball. Both of them have
expiring deals at the end of the season. Do you
expect the Podres, despite what AJ Preller is saying right now,

(14:59):
to trade off either or both these pictures.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
Well, Steve, I think that is one of the big
questions in the industry right now, and we're a little
more than forty eight hours away from the trade deadline
at six pm Eastern Time on Tuesday. I do believe
that the padres will listen on both Hater and Snell,
but they're going to have to be overwhelmed. They're going
to have to be bought out of AJ's desire to compete.

(15:26):
I agree that if you look at the numbers, it's
not a terribly high percentage play to try to go
for this and be a buyer. But I think the
podres are still clinging to this idea that they are
buyers and that they're going to have to be bought
out of that chance that you're going to have to
really go above and beyond. And honestly, the way that

(15:47):
the market has unfolded with sures are already being traded,
with Giolito and Lynn already being traded by the White Sox,
there have been enough of the major chips that have
gone off the board, and of course so Tani staying
put in Anaheim. There's enough of a shorter supply now
that the chances of Snell and Hater bringing back the

(16:10):
kind of offer that you're hoping for, I think has
become more likely just based on the overall market dynamic.
So I think that I would say at this point
there's a little bit of a better than fifty to
fifty chance that they're traded, but I think it's going
to be really close. And I also believe that Juan
Soto was in a separate category because there is that

(16:31):
additional year of control, and that, to me, is where
aj Preller could move Hater and Snell and not admit
that the entire plan was ill conceived. If you make
that same move with Soto after giving up all that
prospect value, it really would be a bit of an

(16:52):
indictment on the way that they've done things in San Diego.
And the final point I'll make on before I throw
back to you, let's remember this con Let's clip off
this this sound and play it back when it's December
and everybody wants teams to spend and go for it.
The two teams that seem to be in a large
quandary right now are the Mets and the Padres. They're

(17:13):
the ones that were deemed to be quote unquote the
winners of the offseason. So let's not forget these words
right now that spending is not necessarily the path to
wisdom or success on the on the off season spending
and certainly the trade deadline right now.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
All right, So the Padres have been disappointing, to say
the least. The Mets have been a flat out disaster.
One hundred and one wins a year ago, jacked up
their payroll well in excess to three hundred million dollars,
and they are out of it. They are seven games
out of the wildcard right now. So they dumped their closer,
Robertson Schurezer is heading to Texas. Verlander would seem to

(17:51):
be next to go. I know the Dodger's desperate for
pitching right now. And by the way, I have a
little theory on pitchers like Surezer and Verlin, who really
struggled early this season, but at least lately both of
them pitched better. Verlin or I think his last six
starts as in the era of one sixty four. I
think the veteran pitchers JP had the biggest adjustment to

(18:12):
the clock. I mean, when you when you're used to
no clock, you know, pitching fifteen to twenty years and
suddenly it's out there.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
It seemed to me.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Now, I know there exceptions. Kirkshaw didn't struggle early on
with the clock, but I think guys like that because
they have been pitching better. I think they really struggled
with the whole idea there's a clock out there. You know,
I'm on a clock throwing a pitch. I think it
had more effect on some of the veterans than it
did on younger pitchers.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, for a couple
of reasons. To your point. Not only did the veterans
have to unlearn how they did it in the past
and relearn it now, but there was an advantage of
the younger pitchers who, while coming up in the minor
leagues had had had this general experience as part of
their rules. So I think it's a really interesting point
that you make. I would put Adam will right in

(19:00):
the very same category as another pitcher that had some
early season struggles. So that's a very good point at
observation by you, Steve, and I think that's probably going
to be part of the larger story of the twenty
twenty three baseball season.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
All right, So Verlander, what are the odds that ends
up a Dodger?

Speaker 7 (19:20):
I think so a couple of things Verlander. When you
look at Verlander's potentiality of where he could get moved
I do believe that the Astros are involved there. I've
heard that the Giants are potentially a fit for Verlander.
I have not heard the Dodgers on Verlander as an option,
but I do think as the Mets have now gotten
closer and closer to this this point of the deadline

(19:41):
that two days from now, that Verlander as a trade
candidate has become more and more of an option for them,
especially Steve. If they end up doing what they did
with Surezer, which is ticking in a significant amount of
money thirty six million dollars they put in the Schuzer deal,
If Steve co One is willing to do that with Verlander,

(20:02):
I think the opportunities expand, and you know, you look
at Verlander's potential landing spots. Remember with Houston that is
a no tax state, and he's also he'd also be
able to remain there in South Florida where he's We
had spring training for a lot of years with the Astros,
and then the Mets. I think that would be a
very appealing spot for him from a personal standpoint.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
All right, So another rumor involving the Dodgers Nolan Aernaudo
of the Cardinals. Now, obviously the Cardinals are completely out
of it. It's been a rare awful season for the
Cardinals organization. But I'm trying to figure this one out.
I mean, I understand you might be in a rebuild,
but Aeronaudo is the face of this team right now

(20:44):
and unloading him doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
And really, from the Dodgers standpoint, are you ready to
gut your farm system of all your top young arms
in order to get Nolan Aeronado a thirty two year
old third basement It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Do you think he will be dealt?

Speaker 7 (21:05):
No? I don't. And John Mozilock, the Cardinals president of
Baseball Operation, spoke last night about this and effectively ruled
it out that no one's going to get moved. And
I certainly understand why they would keep him, although it's
interesting you think about how many years of control Arnatto
still has and in the different paths forward I would

(21:26):
have advocated to the Cardinals that there is a pretty
good case to trade him, because if that was your
best path to get those multiple prospects back from the Dodgers,
that you could do that and then sign a free agent,
whether it's Matt Chapman or Jamierkundelario to play third base
going forward, or move one of your younger players over there.

(21:46):
I think that it's I'll back up and say, John
mosey Lock before speaking with the media, had to have
spent some time assessing the market value of Nolan Arnato
that he had to have that conversation with the Dodgers
about what they could have gotten what they would not
have been able to get for Nolan. So while it

(22:07):
reads well and sounds very resolute from the Cardinals saying, oh,
we're not going to trade him, okay, they're probably not
going to trade them at what the going rate would
be right now, But that doesn't mean to me that
they never explored it or that there wouldn't be some
logic to doing it. At the end of the day, Steve,
the Cardinals they can have some players off limits if

(22:30):
they want to. They have got to find multiple starting
pitchers in the next two days that they believe are
going to be in their rotation for twenty twenty four period,
end of discussion. However they do it, whoever they trade.
If it's Montgomery, if it's Flairty, if it's Goldschmid, if
it's Gorman, Donovan, Alc, Burlison, you name it. They've got

(22:53):
to trade some players that will bring back legitimate starting
pitching for next year. Because as it stands now, Montgomery,
free agent Flaarty, free agent Liberto has been up and down,
Math has been up and down. Wayne Wright's going to retire.
They have very little depth and so this is not
just an aberration for the Cardinals. They've got to find

(23:15):
a way to rebuild their staff on the fly. And
let's just put it this way, Steve, I'll be very
curious to see what their depth chart looks like by
six pm Eastern Time on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
All right, final thing a week ago where you're talking
about show. Hey o Tani. I made the statement last
Sunday that if I were Ardi Marina, I would publicly
state he is off the trade market. And apparently he
was listening, because that's exactly what happened. And then, of course,
so Tani responded with a doubleheader that is won for
the Ages. It's one of those ripleys that will look

(23:47):
back fifty years from now saying did that actually happen?
Where a guy through a complete game one, hitch shutout
in Game one, then came back with two home runs
in Game two. So that being said, because he is
an Angel at least through the balance of this season,
what are you hearing in terms of Otani's future. I've
heard that he wants to stay on the West coast,

(24:08):
East coast teams stay away, has no interest to going
the East Coast, maybe the Mariners, maybe the Padres, maybe
the Giants, maybe staying with the Angels, Dodgers. I don't
think are in a play like some of these other teams.
But what are we hearing because we just are all
these wild trade rumors that were to me pure fantasy.
But what's the reality in your opinion about the future

(24:29):
of sho Hey Otani.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
Well, a couple of things. Number One, I do think
that the West Coast might have a slight advantage, but
there's also, I think a broader case to be made
that Otani is much more familiar with the whole US
and in traveling and playing in this country than he
was when he first signed here. And obviously the West
Coast is closer to Japan, as there's maybe a little

(24:52):
bit of a higher comfort level there. So I do
think that there is an advantage for the West Coast.
I think there might be some scenarios in which he
would consider playing in spots that are not on the
West Coast. But the end of the day, Steve, someone
is going to have to convince Otani that they've got
a better on and off field situation and a better

(25:16):
chance to win the World Series than the Dodgers do,
because the Dodgers to me are the favorites until someone
proves otherwise. And sure, the Mets take, you know, take
your big time push and offer them a bunch of money,
go for it. But but he's already made a lot
of money, and the one thing he hasn't done yet

(25:37):
is is win. And so hypothetically, if the Dodgers offer
him half a billion dollars and the Mets say, well,
I'll offer you six hundred million dollars and it's even
a hundred million dollars difference, do I see him saying
no thanks to the to the half a billion and
signing with six hundred million to go to a team

(25:58):
that has a lower chance of winning. I really don't.
I think once you get to a certain point. I've
never had a half a million dollars in my life, Steve,
but I would assume that once you get to a
certain level, you're good and you just want to win
and be in a good situation. And you look at
the Mets right now, they're they're they're trading robbers and
they're trading sures or they might trade Verlander. Does that

(26:21):
seem really appealing to a player? I think East Coast,
West Coast really forget about it. From that standpoint. If
you're looking at it objectively, the Dodgers have a better
chance to win than the Mets do. And I think
that that's ultimately what it's going to come down to.
It's it's somebody has got to make a better case
than a team that's done nothing but make the playoffs

(26:43):
every single year for the last decade. Is on. The
West Coast has a rich tradition of international players. Okay,
if you can make a better argument than that, go
for it. But I don't see anybody, anybody really and
truly being able to make a better argument to Otani
than the Dodgers are going to be able to do
this winter.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Well, one thing I know about the baseball trade deadline.
Every single year there's one deal. No when he saw coming,
nobody saw coming. So we'll see what happens as we
count down the days.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
JP.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Always appreciate the time. We'll check in with you next week.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
Steve, all the best of my friend. Loved the conversation.
And I cannot believe we're almost to August. This is
such a great time of year, and let's go. We
got penn and races and football season. It's one of
the best months of the year.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
All right, sounds so good. There there is the great
John Paul Morosi, our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider, excited
as we all are to see what kind of surprises
we're going to get once we get to the trade deadline.
All right, let's find out what is trending right now?
And Hello, Montsy, how are you?

Speaker 8 (27:42):
Oh I'm hanging out. How are you?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I'm good.

Speaker 8 (27:44):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm missing Rich you are we all are? Yeah, he's
somewhere on the East coast somewhere I know that. Yeah,
he's trying to get in a little family time right
before the football season gets ward of course, good, yes,
about this trade deadline in Major League Baseball, I am too.

Speaker 8 (28:02):
You're right, something always happens that nobody expects.

Speaker 9 (28:05):
That's so true. But don't expect Cody Bellinger no to
be traded. That is official. The Cubs have taken him
off the trade market.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
They're on a roll.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
They are on a roll.

Speaker 9 (28:14):
And why would you trade He's been playing so well?
You know, sometimes you just gotta wait a second. Because
Bellinger had been hot and cold with the Dodgers the
last season, you know, So I'm glad he's doing well
right now.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Cold and hot, yeah, but no, you're right.

Speaker 8 (28:29):
It ended cold. It did end cold. But now he's
playing well. So yeah, the Cubs are not trading Cody Bellinger.
They've won aid in row.

Speaker 9 (28:38):
Going into their game today, they are three and a
half games behind the first place Brewers, who are playing
the Braves. They are about to get going, and they're
just three games out of the final Walkhart spot in
the NL, so they're.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
In it for sure. Cody Bellinger isn't going anywhere.

Speaker 9 (28:51):
The Angels did place outfielder Taylor Ward on the ten
day injured list. Did you see him get hit by
a pitch yesterday in the face.

Speaker 8 (28:57):
It was not pretty.

Speaker 9 (28:58):
He had his hand on his face and he removed
his hand and he just saw this blood gushing down.

Speaker 8 (29:02):
It was not pretty.

Speaker 9 (29:03):
Luckily, he does have some you know, fractures, but there
was no damage to a site, So that's what's important.

Speaker 8 (29:10):
It's always scared, always scary.

Speaker 9 (29:12):
Surgery, recovery time, all of that is still up in
the air. Now let's move on to the NFL. I
got some sound here of Aaron Rodgers talking about Sean
Payton's comments that he had earlier this week. It's about
fifty seconds, so just just be patient.

Speaker 8 (29:29):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, I love Nathaniel Hackett and those comments were very
surprising for a coach to do that to another coach.
My love frat goes deep. You know, we had some
great years together in Green Bay. Kept in touch, love
him and his family. He's an incredible family man, incredible dad,
and on the field, you know, he's arguably my favorite
coach I've ever had in the NFL. Just his approach

(29:52):
to it, how he makes it fun, how he cares
about the guys, just how he goes about his business
with respect, with leadership with honesty, with integrity, and it
made me feel bad that someone who's accomplished a lot
in the league is that insecure that they have to
take another man down to set themselves up for some
sort of easy fall if it doesn't go well for

(30:14):
that team this year. Thought it was way out of line, inappropriate,
and I think he needs to keep my coaches names
out of his mouth.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
By the way, I know these teams face each oil.
I think week four the NFL season. I don't think,
I don't I mean Aaron Rodgers just talking, but I
guess said I think there was there was a reason.
Sean Payton is not an idiot by any stretch of
the imagination. Yeah, so there is a reason he said
what he said.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Now.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I know he tried to walk it back, saying he
was still wearing his Fox ask right right. Well, maybe
he had a couple of lattaes that morning and just
sort of ran at the mouth, but there was a
very specific intention of why he said what he said.
I'll talk about that.

Speaker 8 (30:52):
Oh good, oh good.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
And two games, well, now three games officially in Major
League Baseball, but only one has a score. Angels Blue
Jays tied out when a piece top of the sixth
inning back to you.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
By the way, Otania game has a hit a walk,
he's still hitting over three hundreds, and.

Speaker 8 (31:05):
Now, of course he is.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
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story in the NFL, the off the cuff remarks by

(31:28):
Sean Payton, the coach of the Denver Broncos, ripping Nathaniel
Hackett for good reason. Hackett was a disaster as a
head coach, and some of the players openly talked about that.
It really began in training camp where Hackett's hands off

(31:49):
approach proved to be a disaster. Maybe his concept was
I'm bringing in a veteran quarterback, Russell Wilson, who will
jump into that locker him and take leadership ownership of
that locker room. Except he quickly found out that that's
not Russell Wilson. Just because your quarterback doesn't necessarily make

(32:10):
you a leader. So not only did Hackett alienate himself
with a team, but so did Russell Wilson, So it
was a double whammy. Here's the thing, the reason Sean
Payton said what he said is that he walks into
that locker room. Remember the offseason program, you don't really

(32:30):
have everybody together, but when you come into training camp
and you're a head coach and new coach of a team,
you get to sort of get a sense of the
locker a full locker room, and he saw a bunch
of guys trying to figure out are we as bad
as five and twelve? Said we were a year ago,
and so I feel like he wanted to make it
clear that no, you guys are good enough to be

(32:54):
a twelve and five team, not a five and twelve team.
Do not look in the mirrors. Had nothing to do
with you, and this had everything to do with the
coaching staff. Now you put it out there like that,
especially when we're going to be facing this Jets team,
you put a target on your back, really against the
entire league. If you have a coach calling out another coach,

(33:16):
it's not a good look. But I think he wants
to create an atmosphere in Denver where it's us against
the world something that it's like a shock value to
get this team back on track. Now, will it work?
I don't know. You still got to get Russell Wilson
to play like he did back in the day. But

(33:36):
I get why he did what he did. And so
let's put it this way. People are talking about the
Broncos now. I mean, you're in a division with the
best team in football. The Chiefs, the Chargers and Raiders
are sort of unknown quantities. You should be the second
best team in that league if everyone on that team

(33:57):
plays to a certain level. But I think he needed
sort of a shock value, sort of get the attention
to this team. Whether they're happy about it, I don't
know what's I don't know what the conversation is in
the locker room. By the way, have we heard anything
from Russell Wilson publicly about nothing? Isn't that weird because
Russell Wilson usually is pretty free flowing with conversation. He

(34:19):
hasn't said anything about these comments from his head coach.
All right, coming up on the other side, we got
more NFL news for you. Training camps are busy. Where
are these running backs gonna end up. Are they going
to be on the trade block? Are they going to
sign new deals? We got the latest. This is Fox
Sports Sunday, Steve Harvin here. We don't know about Rich today.

(34:43):
We're still keeping our fingers crossed. The miracle will happen,
but if not, we move forward. I have Monce here,
I have Sam here, I have Bo here. So it's
a team effort. By the way, we're live from the
ti iraq dot com studios. I'm watching this Senior Open Championship.
The weather is unreal like, it is windy. They've got

(35:07):
the ski caps on, and now they're going to have
a playoff. Now, these are senior guys. These guys are
all over fifty years ago. So Chaca and Harrington are
going to go to a playoff. The win is howling
right now. At some point you sort of watch the
condition saying, should I really be out here right now?

(35:28):
Is this really all worth it? I feel for these guys,
but they got a playoff coming up here in the
Senior Open Championship, all right, talking to little NFL football.
By the way, guys, Thursday's Today Hall of Fame game
coming up between the Jets and the Browns on Thursday,

(35:50):
just like that. I mean it used to be you
used to have training camp for like a full month,
more than a month before you actually get to that
first preseason game. And then of course you had more
preseason games back in the day than you have now.
Now they just get right to it.

Speaker 8 (36:08):
I think that's what people want exactly.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
And this and again, let's go back to twenty twenty.
We had to shut down with COVID, right, and all
these other sports were, you know, scrambling to try to
get some kind of a season in, and the NFL
is like, no, we're gonna have a full season. We're
gonna have a full season.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
I mean, if there's an outbreak, we can move games around. Again.
We'll look back on the twenty twenty NFL season as
one of the great miracles of all time. Yeah, because
there were no games canceled.

Speaker 8 (36:40):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
They got a full season in at the height of COVID.

Speaker 10 (36:46):
Yeah, And that's that's really like when it felt like
the NFL offseason got shorter too.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
There was no offseason, there were no preseason games, there
was no real training camp, and they just started Week one.
And I remember watching some of those games, thinking looks
normal to me.

Speaker 10 (37:03):
Yeah, I remember. I always remember watching the Bucks and
the Chiefs open the season or know who did they
open the season with the Bucks and the Chiefs or yeah? Yeah,
So like that was crazy in the back studio over
here covering that game by myself because we still had
COVID protocols here. But yeah, it just feels like when
we had that whole twenty twenty, like with nothing going

(37:24):
on that whole summer. Once we got sports back, like
everything the calendars has been compacted since then, it's crazy here.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Here's one of the great fallacies of all time. So
a lot of people feel, first of all, when it
comes up to the makeup of an NFL roster, ninety
nine percent of the teams in this league, their roster
is already predetermined. There may be a couple of slots open. Obviously,

(37:52):
injuries can happen and you got to fill an injured spot.
But the idea that somebody could earn a spot on
the roster because what they do in a preseason game
is pure fiction. That doesn't happen. I can remember working
for the Raiders way back in the day. We had
a running back that was like a fifth round pick.

(38:13):
And I'll never get this guy's name. His name was
Dan Reader. And we went to Cleveland for a preseason
game and this guy ran wild. I mean after the game,
everybody's talking about this guy like wow, I mean, this
guy is really going to be great. Two days later
he was cut. I don't know if he might have

(38:33):
had a cup of coffee in the NFL, and I'm like, wait,
I saw this guy in the preseason looked great. These
decisions on who makes the roster and who doesn't make
the roster have zero to do with preseason football games none.
I mean they make good like when you got hard
knocks on. We're watching these preseason games and they're always,

(38:56):
you know, spotlighting some obscure guy, and they're always cut. Always,
it's always bye by. It doesn't matter what they do
in the preseason.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
Hey Steve, Yes, how about how about the Packers wishing
a happy birthday to one of their players and then
they release him on the same day. Sure, yeah, kind
of a Yeah, it didn't communicate with the social media.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah, the department the Turk Canada of a birthday cake
on the way out. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean the
deciding factor on who makes a roster and who doesn't
make a roster. All of this is done behind the
scenes that they're you know, there's a lot involved, and
obviously with a cap situation, money's a big part of
it as well. So there really is no need at

(39:39):
all for preseason games. None. The control scrimmages makes sense
m hm, because teams want to work on something very specific,
so they will go to the other team saying, this
is exactly what we're working on. What do you need
to work on? That is far more productive than just
throwing a bunch of anonymous plays like we're gonna see

(40:00):
in the Hall of Fame game on Thursday out in
the field.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
It is meaningless.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
These are not players that are gonna be playing in
twenty twenty three in the NFL.

Speaker 10 (40:09):
Is there any chance Aaron Rodgers takes a snap on Thursday?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
No?

Speaker 7 (40:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Zero right, zero zero? If he might walk out on
the field and take a knee on the first play
of the game and wave to the crowd and walk
off the field, why do you need to see Aaron Rodgers?
Why why would you take any chances at all? I
guess it makes absolutely no sense, all right? Much more on, yes,

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the NFL right now as all the training camps are open. Oh,
by the way, one side note, I want to get

(42:02):
how many people out there watched the show Winning Time
on HBO Max. Look back at the Showtime Lakers. It
was very controversial first season, especially with one Jerry West,
who I think is filing a lawsuit to the Supreme
Court of the way he was characterized in they show.
Season two begins on next Sunday, and you will hear

(42:26):
a very familiar voice in a number of episodes in
season two. I did episodes in season one, three of them.
I've actually done five episodes in season two. I also
actually shot a scene for season two on camera scene Now,

(42:51):
this was pretty hilarious. So I get a call from
the producers of the show. So they have a scene
where the Magic Johnson character is asleep in a hotel
bed somewhere and he has his alarm clock set to
talk radio. And my talk radio presence on the show

(43:11):
is always critical of the Showtime Lakers, of Jerry Boss
of Magic Johnson krreein the whole shebang. So his alarm
goes off to the talk radio and he hears my
voice ripping into him, so he hits the snooze button
and then all of a sudden, my voice is back on.

(43:32):
But I'm not on the radio. I'm actually in the
room with him with a microphone in my hand, kneeling
at the edge of his bed. Now, when I went
down to shoot this scene, because this takes place in
the eighties, I don't know if this is good or bad.
So I walk in, because you have to go to hair, makeup, wardrobe.
This is I mean, this is you know, it's a
big time production on television. So I go into the

(43:54):
trailer where the lady is for hair and I walk in.
I said, yeah, I'm sportscaster number one, and she goes,
I don't have to do anything with your hair, like
your hair is nineteen eighty two, which is sort of
funny because like, my hairstyle really has never changed ever

(44:14):
since I was accurate. It was accurate. She's like, I
literally because everyone else has got sort of like a
twenty twenty three haircut, and you don't like yours. Yours
could fit nineteen eighty two. So I was laughing, and
we did the wardrobe thing. I mean, it's such an
involved thing. Guys aren't comfortable trying on clothes, taking clothes off,

(44:37):
and they were just doing one thing after another just enough.

Speaker 8 (44:41):
It's not just guys that's annoying.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
It's so annoying. Anyway, I was. I was like, for
an hour, I'm I'm trying non different outfits circa nineteen
eighty two. I was laughing because I said, most of
these clothes I actually had in my closet in nineteen
eighty two. I should have kept him, save you some time.
So anyway, the next Monday was Friday. Next Monday, we
go down to shoot the scene and I walk into

(45:03):
the trailer. The lady that said my hair was perfect nineteen.
She sits me down. She goes, I want to put
some stuff in your hair. I'm want to really poof
it out like nineteen eighty three. I'm like, what I
thought you said it was okay. So she's putting this
junk in my hair and she's blowing it out. I'm
looking up. I look like Ace Ventura. I'm like, hell's

(45:24):
going on? This is the what you want me to
look like on the show. So she calmed it down
a little bit. So anyway, we shot the scene and
I think it got the cutting room floor.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
H Who.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah, my partner in the scene. He was upset about
maybe us getting cut out. I reminded him, did anyone
see the movie ET? Yes, like the whole world saw ET. Right.
You remember how great Harrison Ford was in at No No. Yeah.
Harrison Ford, who obviously by that time had also done

(45:59):
Raiders of Lost Arkans plus The Star Wars, was the
biggest star in Hollywood. Spielberg after directing him in Raiders
of the Lost Arc, apparently, Harrison Ford went to Spielberg
and said, Hey, I'd love to be part of your
next movie. And so they wrote a scene where Harrison
Ford plays like a teacher of the little boy.

Speaker 8 (46:18):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
He actually shot the whole scene. Spielberg cut it, Ah,
Harrison Ford. So when my buddy was like, go we
got cut, I'm like, Harrison Ford got cut. So it
happens all the time.

Speaker 8 (46:33):
Yeah, you are the same as Harrison Ford.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I'm not true, but if it happens to him, it
could happen and he us. Anyway, So it starts next Sunday,
season two. Winning time you'll hear in each episode some
kind of crack beat made on talk radio, and you'll
reckon Steve.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
You know, Samuel L. Jackson recently in the news he
was very upset because he thought he would have won
an Academy Award for I Believe It's a Time to
Kill Yes, and he said, you know, there was some
scenes in the movie that are cut out, and he's like,
that cost me an Oscar. It happens all the time, sadly,
That's just how it goes sometimes.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Right, I mean there's movies all the time. I mean
you can always look it up. Some very very famous
actors actresses have had what they thought maybe Oscar winning
roles in movies that ended up on the cutting room floor.
So it happens all the time. All right, I'm looking
at Super Bowl odds. Guys, as we get into the season.

Speaker 8 (47:28):
You already called the Super Bowl, remember I start of Remember, yes,
I wrote it down.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Who did I guarantee?

Speaker 8 (47:37):
You said the Jets and the Lions.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Well, that's right, I mentioned the Jets and the Lions
because think about this. When the merger happened between the
AFL and the NFL back in nineteen seventy four, Super
Bowls had already been played, but it was really the
AFL NFL championship game.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
So the two.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Leagues merged into a single NFL in nineteen six. At
the time there were twenty six teams in the league
thirty two. Now there twenty six then, of the twenty
six teams that were part of that merger in nineteen seventy,
since that year, only two of those teams have not
played in a Super Bowl, the Jets and the Lions.

(48:20):
The Jets played in the Super Bowl two years earlier.
The Lions have never been in a Super Bowl. He said, Well,
the Browns have never been in a Super Bowl. But
that Browns team became the Ravens right then they brought
in a new Cleveland Browns expansion team. So the only
two teams franchise, let's put it that way, that were
part of that merger in nineteen seventy, only two have

(48:43):
not played in a Super Bowl, Jets and the Lions
since that merger, And it could happen. Although I'm looking
at some of these odds right now, I mean, here's
something's a little bit baffling to me. So all last
as the defending Super Bowl champion Rams were in this

(49:04):
free fall. I know with Rich he was among many
that insisted that the twenty twenty two season was an aberration.
The Rams will be back. I'm looking at these Super
Bowl odds. Let's put it this way. The Bears are

(49:25):
considered a better Super Bowl bet than the Rams. So
that's a team that had the first pick in the
NFL draft, the words team in the league a year ago,
and it's not even close. Like the Rams right now
are like a plus seven thousand, no chance. So I'm
always I'm always trying to figure like, who who would

(49:46):
you say would be a good pick. I would imagine
if Matthew Stafford can come back, if Cooper cup can
come back, maybe the Rams could find their way. They
actually have. The Bears have better odds than the Patriots.

Speaker 8 (50:03):
Who is this, Who's doing this?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
This is Vegas, this is a consensus, this is Caesar's
fan duel bet. MGM. Yeah, the Bears have better odds
than the Patriots.

Speaker 8 (50:15):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
So at the top of the list, obviously you have
the Chiefs and the Eagles, and then you had the Bills,
the forty nine Ers, and the Bengals. I wouldn't disagree
with any of those if I were to actually place
a serious bet, which is I don't bet on anything, what's.

Speaker 8 (50:35):
A serious bet? For mister Hartman.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
If I were forced to actually have to put my
own money on the line, I would take the safest
bet possible because I hate to lose. I am lousy
of gambling because gamblers, and I look at my best
The best man in my wedding was a bookie. So

(51:02):
I've been exposed to a lot of gamblers over the
course of my career in sports. Obviously, I just not
one of them. I don't have the gambler's mentality where
they just see past losing to get to the goal
of winning. But if I were to say I have
to put my own money on a team, it would
be one of those teams. To me, the Chiefs, Eagles, Bills,

(51:24):
forty nine Ers, and Bengals are a clear cut above
every other team in this league. All right, So coming
up on the other side, I want to go over
some of these other teams that maybe could surprise. I mean,
certainly no one thought we would have a Rams Bengals
Super Bowl two years ago. Now a year ago you

(51:45):
had the two number one seeds make it to the
Super Bowl, which, by the way, is a rare thing.
But it happened with the Eagles and the Chiefs. But
if you're really to go outside of Chiefs, Eagles, Bills,
forty nine, Ers, Bengals, which team is the best bet?
We'll tell you. This is Fox Sports Sunday. Steve Hartman here,
Fox Sports Sunday Live from the Tirak dot com studios.

(52:10):
We haven't given up hope on Rich today. We're still
still a chance you find this. Yes, I know many
times I date myself. It's a bad habit, but I
don't know. I've lived my life, you know, And that's
what do you share when you do radio over the years. So,

(52:35):
I was in college during the disco era. I was
made for disco skinny as a real I used to
have those polyester shirts buttons unbuttoned, you know, halfway down
my chest, really tight pants, really tight. I had sort

(53:04):
of the feathered out. It was sort of like hard
to describe. It was a long, long hair in the back,
you know. It wasn't a mullet. It was more of
like the flare out. Always the side part though, always
the side part. Do you ever wonder like, so Montsi,
what do you think you would have looked like back
in the disco era.

Speaker 9 (53:26):
Oh, I definitely, but would have been wearing some bright
bell bottoms.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I had bell bottoms.

Speaker 9 (53:33):
Yeah, platform some platform I have those now, you know,
like Spice Girls brought the platforms back and now they're
back again.

Speaker 8 (53:41):
So the platforms have always.

Speaker 6 (53:42):
Been around sixties, I guess.

Speaker 9 (53:44):
But yeah, for sure, bright colors. I probably want to,
you know, blow out my hair, make it really big.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, So I mean can
you imagine Bow and Sam back in the disco day.

Speaker 8 (53:57):
Bow's mustache is working for the seventies right now.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
It's a little bit.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I grew a mustache when I graduated high school in
seventy six. I was inspired by a movie called Lifeguard
and Sam Elliott, who literally has one of the like iconic,
like iconic you know, facial hair stranger. Yeah, mine was
dirt on my upper lip at best. I don't know, Bow,

(54:22):
what's what's the longest your hair has ever been?

Speaker 10 (54:24):
Bo shoulder length in high school?

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (54:27):
Yeah, yeah, Boa looks like he'd be one of the
soldiers from like Apocalypse now or you know, full metal
jacket or something. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (54:34):
My hair, my hair naturally does like the fairy fawcet
curls though.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah does so.

Speaker 10 (54:39):
Yeah, I can't have long hair anymore. Yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Done with Well we've seen Sam obviously with huge fro.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
I have a hat on today. But if I wash
it and let it just dry, yeah, with the air,
it gets pretty big and puffy.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, big big hair.

Speaker 11 (54:55):
Poy.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
I'll be there.

Speaker 10 (54:56):
Shout out to a lead to lap the most luscious
locks of the Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Does he does? I mean he really does? He really does.
I mean when you have that much hair. The thing
about the option, when you have really a lot of hair,
is he gonna do anything with it?

Speaker 4 (55:13):
You know?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Short, go high, you go long. I mean a guy
like Brad Pitt, right, Pitt has how many different hairstyles
we see with Brad Pitt? I mean he goes a
kind of there are no limit to the options.

Speaker 8 (55:25):
Yes, he can go no wrong.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
So I want to see if all of us have
a pick here, I'm going to exclude to win the
Super Bowl. Well, you may not have heard this earlier.
Five teams that I'm eliminating to win the Super Bowl.
You cannot choose the Chiefs, the Eagles, the Bills, the
forty nine ers are the Bengals, because to me, those

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five teams are a clear cut above all other teams.
So you can't pick the Chiefs, the Eagles, sorry Bo,
the Bills, the forty nine ers are the Bengals. Which
team other than those five? If you had to put
your own money down, would you choose to win the

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Super Bowl?

Speaker 10 (56:15):
I'm going to regret this immediately upon saying it. But
the Los Angeles Chargers.

Speaker 8 (56:21):
Wow, I was gonna say that too. What yeah, wh.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm gonna slow down for a
second here on this one. Okay. So under Tom Telesco,
the general manager of the Chargers, he's on his third
coach and he's going to show you a little symmetry here.
So the first coach he hired was Mike McCoy. In
his first two seasons, he had a winning season both years,

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and one of those teams made the playoffs. The next
coach he hired, and by the way, after that, he
had two losing seasons and he was fired. Anthony Lynn,
the next coach hired by Telesco. He also had winning
seasons his first two years, one of which made the playoffs,
and then had two leasing seasons and was fired. So

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now he has Brandon Staley, who in his first two
years has had two winning seasons, made the playoffs one time. Now,
if do you see any symmetry there? Know where the
Chargers are heading in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 8 (57:23):
But they finally paid Justin Herbert, who I think is.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Better than Philip Rivers.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
Yeah, than Jalen Hurts you mean.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Okay, talk about Justin Herbert who just blew what was
at a twenty six to nothing lead in a playoff game.
That Justin Herbery.

Speaker 8 (57:41):
Yes, I think he is. I think he is.

Speaker 9 (57:43):
Actually a great, great quarterback that we have not seen
his full potential.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Okay, My problem isn't with Justin Herbert. My problem was
with Brandon Staley, who came in hyped as some kind
of defensive guru after he was the defense. It's a
coordinator of a Rams team that had the number one
defense in the league. Of course, he als had to
Aaron Donald on his defense, which makes a whole lot
of difference for any defense. So you two are sold

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on the Chargers, all right? So Sam, you can't pick again.
You can't pick the Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, forty nine Ers,
are Bengals. So what team are you putting your money
down to win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 6 (58:25):
Steve, forget that because we have a major breakthrough here.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yet, rich Ornberger joining the show. Yes, it's a lot,
it's a lot.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
I feel like I've landed on the moon.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Take you How do I know that this is actually Rich?
Can anybody verify that this is actually rich Ormberger?

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Of course it's Rich NFL pup veteran of six years
with the Patriots, Cardinals at Chargers.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, well, Ritchie, it's great to hear from you. So
what happened like yesterday? I know you got on the
morning show listening to you now for all of our listeners.
I talked to you yesterday as a matter of fact.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Yeah, we spoke on the phone. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
And so where are you right now? Because you're getting
this as like the last family trip before we get
ready for a very busy football season.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Yeah, that's correct. So I am in Connecticut. I'm visiting
with my sister and her family. They've got three kids.
I have my two kids here. My rest of my
family's visiting from New York, you know, and spending some
time here on the East Coast. And I have brought
all of my broadcasting equipment with me. As Sam can

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attest to, over the past two weeks, we've had a
couple of technical glitches trying to get connected here and there.
No big deal, right, We figured it out each time.
But whatever happened, I don't know if there's a bug
in the machine, if there's a ghost in the machine.
But man, it took a solid hour and a half
to get this thing figured out. So I have a

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feeling I'm gonna be returning said broadcast equipment to its
manufacturer and getting this situation sorted out. Uh. So we
don't have any future interferences, but in the meantime, I
do want to point out and I do want to
I do want to thank very graciously Moncey Bolanos for

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jumping in the host seed because we love Monsey.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
But it wasn't just mine. S Yeah, I mean you can't,
he can't. You have to say something about bow and Sam.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Right, hang on, say hang on to say I'm getting there. Oh,
and you get ahead of yourself, all right, And then
I also want to thank Sam Kinsley for his uh
unbelievable uh technical support chops.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
By the way, this is the same Sam fifteen minutes
ago saying forget it, there's not going to be any
rich rich They walked. He said riches ye done, host
up and bye bye, bye bye and by the technical chops.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
What I what I want to say about Sam is
he was very supportive while I was over here hitting
this thing with a hammer.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
I was sending gifts of old school operators putting cat
patch cables into holes and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, and it started sort of like someone on life support,
you know, and they're like trying to say positive things
and then they leave the room and they got their
head shaken, like you know, it's it's it's over.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
I also want to thank Bo for not communicating at all.
He never got in the way at all. He just
steered clear of He didn't want to have anything I was.

Speaker 10 (01:01:43):
I was searching for plane tickets out there to lend
my help, but curious.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Samysically the way Nathaniel Hackett coached the Broncos, that's right,
that's not a lot of input. Now I would never
be critical of I mean so because it's working with
this group. They've know when it works with this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Group, very similar to the Denver Broncos. They've hired someone
to wake him up when the show's over. That's what
they've because Nathaniel Hackett needed somebody to wake him up
to call the play in on the sideline. No Bo
Bo was instrumental in all of this. Yeah, as always,
And of course you Steve for I mean doing a tremendous,

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masterful job of tearing down the now Los Angeles Chargers
at every time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I mean, you know, you know how much I enjoy
destroying the chargers. But I I I and it's nothing personal. Yes,
it's personal, Dean Spanos, you're listening very personal. Anyway, Let's
let's put that aside for a second. I'm looking up
at the clock right now. Yeah, it is time to
find out what is trending. The aforementioned is hair. Yes,

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and Moncey was enjoying her input, although she was a
little disappointed because she assumed that I would talk a
little less, but she found out when you're not here, Rich, Yeah, No,
the Diary of the Mouth is literally said diary or
something else. Diarrhea.

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
Oh okay, hey, it's not that much different from any
other show where, especially during the NFL season, and a
lot of us just have our mics ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
You know it is, you should jump in whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
I appreciate you guys very much, and I mean if
Bo Sam Monty, you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
Curious, don't forget curious, Oh curious. Shout out to you,
curious tour director.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
By the way, honestly, I don't think anything happens without Curius,
so huge, huge pro for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
He is on call twenty four to seven. Literally, yeah,
he's our troubleshooter.

Speaker 9 (01:03:46):
For the record, nobody thought you couldn't talk for four
hours by yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:03:51):
For the record, nobody questioned that.

Speaker 9 (01:03:53):
We just were like, oh we can, you know, chime in,
But nobody.

Speaker 8 (01:03:58):
We weren't stressed. Nobody was like, oh my god, but of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Course you have said many times the sound of my
voice is so intoxicating them be I'm getting a high.

Speaker 8 (01:04:07):
Yeah, of course you are. But none of us were worried.
We were just like, oh, well, just chime in every
now and then.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Why not?

Speaker 8 (01:04:14):
That's all we were thinking. All right, guys, let's talk
a little baseball.

Speaker 9 (01:04:17):
The trade deadline August first, almost here, But the Chicago
Cubs have taken outfielder and soon to be a free agent,
Cody Bellinger off the trade market. They're going to try
to win nine in a row. They won eight in
a row, which is pretty crazy right now though. In
Major League Baseball, the Angels in the Blue Jays are
tied at when a piece. The Angels did place their
outfielder Taylor Ward on the ten day Angel list, who
was hit in the face by a.

Speaker 8 (01:04:37):
Pitch yesterday not pretty.

Speaker 9 (01:04:39):
Luckily, there was no damage to his site, he does
have multiple fractures. Surgery and recovery time are still up
in the air. The Braves now now retaking the lead
over the Brewers at home. It is five to three
bottom of the third inning, Philly's blanking the Pirates to zero.
Top of the fourth, Tigers blanking the Marlins, who are
just half a game out of the final wildcard spot
in the NL, Tiger's blanking them four or zero. Top

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of the fourth inning, the Mets beating the Nationals three
to one bottom of the third, the Rays blanking the Astros.
That's right for zero, top of the second inning, and
the Cardinals and the Cubs are going at it with
Cardinals up one zero top of.

Speaker 8 (01:05:13):
The second inning.

Speaker 9 (01:05:14):
In the NFL, the Vikings and pass rusher danil Hunter
have agreed to terms on a one year deal that
can be worth up to twenty million with seventeen million guaranteed. Question,
are you guys gonna talk about Julius Irving's top ten
players of all time?

Speaker 8 (01:05:27):
Is this on your list of topics?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
One one name? Yeah, I'll save that one, bye.

Speaker 8 (01:05:33):
Because we have it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
We have it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:35):
The sound of him saying the tet now all right,
save it, okay, perfect, That's what I wanted to know.
All right, back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
All right, Monty, thank you very much. Yeah, just save
that because I do have some comments about the great
Julius Irving, who I've had the good fortune of meeting
on several occasions. Forty years ago, I actually interviewed him
when he was still playing.

Speaker 8 (01:05:53):
Yeah, you date yourself there, you did it again.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I did it, but he was It was the first
what I call superstar athlete that I ever actually interviewed.
He was so nice. And then years later I met
him again at an event, was like reintroduced to him,
and he's just one of the nicest people you'll ever meet.
I mean, that's about Julie Serving. So we'll go over

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that list a little bit later on. All right, Rich,
Before you re entered the scene. We were asking everybody
eliminating the Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, forty nine, Ers, and Bengals,
because if you look at the Vegas odds, rich these teams,
those five teams are like clearly the top five teams Chiefs, Eagles, Bills,

(01:06:36):
forty nine, Ers, Bengals to win the Super Bowl. Pick
a team other than those teams to win the Super
Bowl with your own money. So you heard Bo and
Monci both say the Chargers. You, of course, Sam did
not get your choice out there, So who would you choose?

Speaker 6 (01:06:52):
I was too excited to bring Chin. But listen, I'm
gonna go with sort of an unconventional pick here. I'm
gonna say the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers two win the
Super Bowl. Wow, great defense and Kenny Pikett. I don't
know if I believe him him him yet, but he is.
He's broken in so to speak, he's experienced now and

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why not let's go to Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Well, I will say this, they have one of the
best coaches in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
Yes, he still has not had the losing record. The
losing season, I should.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Say, he only not a winning record last year to
me was unreal.

Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
Could have won him Coach the Year if there weren't
other great candidates.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
All right, so rich, which team? Because you're mister gambler,
I know that if you had to put your own
money down on a team other than the Chiefs, Eagles, Bills,
forty nine Ers a Bengals to win the Super Bowl
this year, it would be.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
I have three that come to mind, but I'll give
you my favorite of the three, the Jacksonville Jaguars. I
think a lot of people sleep on Doug Peterson as
a coach. I refuse to. I think he's not only
an incredible quarterbacks coach, but a great offensive coordinator. He
trusts his quarterbacks to help him see the field, you know,

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because he's calling plays from the sideline and he's got
his coaches in the booth who helps set, you know,
the table for what the defense is trying to do
from a shell look, from an all twenty two look.
But he also trusts his quarterbacks. And there's no greater
example of that than when he's in the Super Bowl
with Nick Foles, his backup quarterback in the game for
him against Tom Brady and the New England Patriots, who

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have been there however many times it had been at
that point eighth their eighth trip to the Super I
mean a ridiculous number of times to the Super Bowl.
And he goes Philly, Philly, and Doug Peterson looks at
him like he's crazy, and he goes, actually, yeah you
think and he goes, yeah, Philly, Philly. So they go
out there and they run a trick play where Nick
Foles catches a pass and the rest is history. You know,

(01:08:49):
this is this is my idea of what coaching needs
to be. He's the ultimate playing coach. He's a former player,
he's a former backup quarterback, so he understands what is
needed in the quarterback room to calm down and to
communicate with a starting quarterback who's handling the riggers of
a Sunday or a Monday night or a Thursday night.
And he made a believer out of me when he

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was the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. And the
work he's done with Trevor Lawrence down there in Jacksonville
has proved to me that he's got the chops to
win a championship in Jacksonville again, assuming health and assuming
that this defense follows along in the footsteps of a
burgeoning championship level offense. I'm very high on the Jacksonville

(01:09:33):
Jaguars in a very winnable AFC South.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
By the way, I like the Jags, but I look
at it this way. In order to make a deep
run in the playoffs, you give yourself a best chance
of getting to the Super Bowl. Winning in Super Bowl,
you need home field at some point. In other words,
winning your division is imperative. It's not impossible. We've seen
wild card teams win super Bowls. It's just a really

(01:09:59):
hard road. That being said, the team I really believe
has a chance here because of the division they play
in is the Detroit Lions. Because I think we would
all agree that that thirteen and four record that the
Vikings posted a year ago was a mirage. You're outscored
and you lose four games, you win thirteen, and they
actually gave up more points over the course of the

(01:10:21):
season than you scored. They were eleven to zero one
score games. That was a miracle year. And it ended
in the postseason one game and done, obviously, with a
new quarterback in Green Bay and the Bears struggling to
just get off the mat. I think the Lions have
the kind of coach in Dan Campbell, that can raise

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their expectations based on what they did a year ago.
Especially that last game where you knock the Packers out
of the playoffs. That was just a huge win for
the Lions who had been eliminated from the playoff contention
and went out there and knocked the Packers out. I
think Dan Campbell's whole attitude just fits a team on
the rise. They got to get to. Obviously, a full

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year out of golf, he's gonna have to continue to emerge.
Obviously they're gonna have to play some defense this year.
I'll put it this way. Their defense can't be any worse. Offensively,
they're good. But they could win that division. They could
win they won nine games, they could win twelve games.
Maybe it'll be a one or two seed in the NFC.
And they do that, then they have a chance. Well,

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I like, if I had to put my money on,
I would do with the Lions.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
So the Lions are probably my second team in because
I said I have three, I like outside of the
five favorites prohibited favorites unions. The third team on that
list is the New York Jets. The New York Jets
have a team that can win a Super Bowl. I'll
repeat that statement, The New York Jets have a team

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that can win a Super Bowl. Now, there's not gonna
be a lot of believers in the New York Jets
right now because they're the New York Jets. But they
have Aaron Rodgers who has won a Super Bowl. They
have the missing piece of an offense that looked like
they were at very least playoff bound, if not winning
a game into the playoffs with a haphazard crew at quarterback.

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If they just had one consistent performer at quarterback, this
team could have had a playoff berth. They just didn't.
Between Wilson and White and Flacco, I mean, it was
like it was like watching a Three Stooges rerun. They
could not get out of their way. It was like
handing the keys to a Ferrari, m Garrett, Wilson and

(01:12:36):
Bristol when healthy, and some of these other players that
are emerging out of the New York Jets offense handing
the keys to that Ferrari to a student driver. And
so none of these guys could handle it. Now. I
know Flacco's the old veteran, but he doesn't have much
left in the tank. But Aaron Rodgers, again, assuming health.
That's a guy who could lead you to a deep

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playoff run and then couple it with a Roberts defense
that was in the top ten last year. They fortified
by re signing their big man up front. I look
at the New York Jets as a real contender now.
The reason why I picked the Jaguars over the Jets,
and the reason why I picked the Jaguars over the

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Detroit Lions is because Detroit Lions, whether you think it's
fools gold or not, they have to compete with Kirk
Cousins and Kevin O'Connell, that pairing in the NFC North,
and the Jets have to still compete with the Miami
Dolphins and the Buffalo Bills in division, the Jacksonville Jaguars.
If you look around that AFC South, the Houston Texans

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are breaking in a brand new rookie starting quarterback. Same
thing with the Colts. And if you look at Tennessee,
Man Tennessee, they are relying on Derrick Henry staying healthy
and that is their only hope if he gets stinged
up at all. You saw what that team looks like now,
DeAndre Hopkins being added there. That changes the complexity of

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that offense to get the AJ Brown factor back after
trading him away inexplicably. But I digress there to just say,
the Jacksonville Jaguars gave the Chiefs all they could handle
in the second round of the postseason. They only won
by a margin of seven points, and it was close.
It was down to the wire, and I realized that
they hurt Patrick Mahomes in that game and he had

(01:14:22):
a limp off the field, and even Henny was able
to get in the end zone. But I think the
Jacksonville Jaguars are a team on the rise. And if
I can't pick out of the AFC the Chiefs, and
I can't pick the Bengals or the Bills, Jacksonville Jaguars
are my fourth team in terms of a team that
has a real chance to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Well, let me make this clear again, and I said
this before you rejoined us here, Rich, if I had
to put my money down on, I wouldn't take any
team outside of those top five. Okay, I think that's
the problemly is smart man. One of those five, in
my opinion, will end up as Super Bowl champions. In
twenty twenty three. All right, Montzi's teased it. Jay, one

(01:15:00):
of the all time legends of the NBA, has a
top ten list of the greatest players in league history,
and he's getting a lot of flack. You'll find out why.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey, Rich Romberger, Fox
Sports Sunday. We are live from the tay Iraq dot
Com studios. So Mansi mentioned earlier that she has a

(01:15:22):
SoundBite of the legendary Doctor j given his list of
the top ten players of all time. Monster. Do you
have yes, yes, All right, let's hear what Doctor Jay.

Speaker 9 (01:15:34):
Talking to NBA personality Joy Diangela.

Speaker 8 (01:15:38):
So here it is, give me your top ten all time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Oh it is no order.

Speaker 11 (01:15:42):
Really, I'm going to think Weston Robertson would be in
the back court. Elgambala would be in the front court
with Wilt and Bill Russell. The next group of guys
would be Kareem abdul Jawar, Michael Jordan's Magic Johnson probably
call Malone. I like even that tiny Archibald. Oh no,

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he hadn't played long enough. He had to finish his career.
Everybody I named the Korea is finished.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
All right by the way. One guy he left off
that list was Larry Bird.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
If I have it read, it's Jerry west Our, Scar Robertson,
Elgin Baylor, Yes, Will Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, Kareem
Abdul Jabbar, Magic Johnson, car Malone, Tiny Archibald correct. So
namely no lebron know Steph Curry. Yes, I mean those
are two pretty big whoopsies if you ask me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Well, he said they hadn't finished their career. But when
he says that Steph Carey hasn't played long enough, I mean,
what what, He's played a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
He might have more gray hair than doctor j.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
But the guys, the one guy he left off if
his prerequisite is you had to be retired, No, Larry Bird.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Now, Tiny Archibald is the one name that it jumps
out to everyone. Understand this about Nate Tiny Archibald. He
is still the only player in NBA history to lead
this league in scoring and assist in the same season. Yeah,
only one player has ever done that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Can I also throw in another How about Kevin Durant?

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Yeah, well I get him, I guess I know he
said they they were still playing. I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I look, I I
hate these lists. I hate these lists so much. Yes,
you know, you know how I feel about Halls of
Fame and Pro Bowls and All Star lists and you know,
even top tens. Because the whole Mount Rushmore conversation is
purely subjective. So who cares? Yeah, but it just it it.

(01:17:54):
It's still even if I don't care, which I don't,
and even if I try to vent myself from overreacting
to anybody's list, his criteria is his own, and he's
an amazing basketball player, and he was able to rattle
off those names really quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Yeah. It wasn't like the first time he had been
asked this, obviously. Yeah, because, like I said, he immediately
got with west Oscar, Baylor, Chamberlain Russell. And what's interesting
about those guys is that he didn't play against any
of those guys in the NBA. Yeah. Then the next
list of guys are guys that he did play against,

(01:18:34):
Jordan Kareem, Magic Malone, and Archibald. So it was interesting.
I mean, again, you're always going to be caught up
in your own era. By the way, I got one X.
It's not longer a tweet?

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
What do we call it X now?

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, so the new So this
is the new term, like the rebranding of Twitter, it
is now the X app. And if you tweet someone,
I think you say you you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
X them, you X them like you X them out
or I mean, I guess, I don't know. Yeah, I
just want to read this one from one of my
favorite guys. He goes uh. Basically, this was a thank
you to rich Thank you, gosh, Richie Hartman dying without
you blabbing about being made for the seventies, tight pants,
flowing locks and it's pals are picking the chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Wow, we did go a little retro there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
You did. You did have beautiful long hair when you
were the bassist and dire need.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
I did have. I have the single photo of me
in the garage practicing with those flowing locks back in
the day. Did you have something to interject here? Sam,
I was looking at you.

Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
Listen. I don't think we in the public are in
are under any obligation to refer to this app as
X Now. We can continue to call it Twitter. Everyone
will know what you're talking about. Why should we have
to call it sending an X or go to X.
It's stupid and we don't have to do it. Well,
I you know, I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
We're just saying. I'll put it this way. Staple Center
is always Staple Center to me, Crypto dot com arena, and.

Speaker 6 (01:20:10):
The Rosebull will always be be just the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Well, I I always say, but they, but the Staple
Center is no longer Staple Center. It's Crypto dot Com arena. Yeah,
and I still want to call it Staples. I don't
know what you're doing. All right, We're gonna get back
to some Major League Baseball trade deadline news. This is
Fox Sports Sunday having fun as we do every single

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(01:20:54):
the Hall of Fame game. Jets and Browns can't wait
for that. So we got a lot of football. We're
gonna get to but we are counting down to Major
League Baseball's trade deadline now. I don't know if you
had any chance to hear me in my extended conversation
with our dear friend John Paul Morosi a little bit
earlier in the show. Basically, what we are trying to

(01:21:16):
figure out is where's the cutoff right now in terms
of where teams are. Where you're saying, we still have
a reasonable chance to get into the postseason, versus let's
be realistic, like we're done, and one of the teams
that you and I have been following very closely over

(01:21:38):
the years is right on the cusp, and that would
be the San Diego Padres, because they're five and a
half out of the wild card. But it's not just
how many games you're out, it's how many teams you
have to jump over to get there. Now, you can
make an argument, look at the Cubs. They were in
a worse situation than the podrace. So now they've rattled

(01:22:00):
off eight straight wins. Okay, that's good, but the Cubs
would still have to leap over three teams to get
to the wildcard slot. The Podreys, at five and a
half out of the wildcard have four teams ahead of
him just to get into one of those two wildcard spots.
So you know about being hyper critical of aj Preller

(01:22:23):
for years, Yes, and when he says that we're standing pat,
I mean he really doesn't have a choice, right. You
have an owner there that gave him a blank check
to spend any money necessary to win a World Series.
That was the idea. He spent money like there was

(01:22:46):
no tomorrow. If he were to dump players right now,
then he's essentially admitting we blew it. Or let's put
him more clearly, I blew it right, He's not going
to do that, or is he? I mean, we are
now a couple of days before this trade deadline. What's
the buzz Because obviously the two names that are being

(01:23:06):
thrown out there are Josh Hader and Blake Snell because
they have expiring contracts. I'm even hearing some wild rumors
about Juan Soto still has another year left on his deal.
That doesn't make sense. But Snell's having his best season
as a padre and the Hater's still obviously one of
the best closers in the game. But is there an
anticipation that you know on your San Diego show, You

(01:23:28):
guys are because you and I have been there, you know,
or we got you know, trade deadline and boom, something
happens or something doesn't happen. What's the anticipation now, Rich, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
The anticipation is expect the unexpected with aj Preller and
this Padres franchise. So what would be more expected? Right
in a situation where the Padres seem to have gotten
off to one of the clunkiest starts for a team
that has essentially been assembled to reflect Baseball's version of

(01:24:02):
an NBA super team. You know, you bring in Machado,
You sign Fernando Tatist junior long term after getting him
traded to your minor leagues. He shows his worth in
your minor league system, makes it to the big league roster,
and within no time is signing a statue contract like

(01:24:25):
basically a lifelong deal to be a Padre. You bring
in Xander Boulguards. You missed on Hosmer. That was a
big contract though, there's no question about it. You resign Musgrove,
you resigned Darvis, You re signed Croninworth. You put together
a group of all stars with Snell and Hater like
you just mentioned like, you have this team that, by

(01:24:47):
all measure should be performing at the top of the league,
not just the National League, but the top of Major
League Baseball, and they're not. But again, going back to
what I said before, was it expected that the Sa
Diego Padres, considering the market size of San Diego, wouldever
go all in the way they have spending this kind
of money on these kind of contracts answers. No, you know,

(01:25:11):
at every turn when it felt like they were still
building something, but they weren't underperforming per some of these
seasons that they'd be sellers, they weren't. They continued to add.
They missed out on the Scherzer trade. There's no doubt
that that was a miss. It felt like it was
the Padres pitcher to lose a couple off seasons ago.

(01:25:34):
But outside of that, I mean, there have been a
lot of moments where I said, well, this team for
sure is going to, you know, start tearing this down
because it's not going the direction fast enough that they
wanted to. But then all of a sudden last season
they had the NLCS birth. I think the Padres are
going to add to their roster at the deadline. I
think again, they're going to surprise major League Baseball, and

(01:25:56):
I think again, you're going to see coupling with this owner,
Peter Seidler and this general manager A. J. Preller, create
some waves in Major League Baseball and maybe instill some
more confidence into a clubhouse that looked like they were
lacking confidence the entire season.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Well, if you're looking beyond baseball and just looking from
the business standpoint of things, what they have done is
worked in leaps and bounds. They've only had five non
sellouts this year at Peca, sure the whole season. You
and I remember the days when Peco was a ghost town. Yeah,
you could literally we would go. We would go early
to games, Like on a Tuesday night, you could literally

(01:26:38):
count the people. There was nobody there. Every game's a sellout.
Now they might be booing them off the field, but
they're still selling out that ballpark. People are discovering that
that's an incredible place to see a baseball game and
everything else. Winning and losing a little different in San
Diego than many other sports cities out there. Look, I

(01:26:59):
agree with you. I think that we could see some surprises.
It is Preller, He's trying to constantly prove how smart
he is. Unfortunately, his record as a general manager is
the reverse. He's had a lot more losing seasons than
winning seasons. By the way, I know that you want
to acknowledge the fact that Arti Moreno listens to this show,

(01:27:20):
because last Sunday, did I not say that if I
were Aardi Moreno, I would make a public statement saying,
under no circumstance are we trading? Show?

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Heyo Tani?

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Did I not say that?

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
You said it?

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
And exactly two days later, two days later, So I
want to update you on this what John Palm Morosi
had to say. So show hey Otani will remain an
angel for the balance of the year. By the way,
the next day, after Morino made this announcement that no,
there are no deals period exclamation point for Atani, Otani

(01:27:55):
has the doubleheader of the Ages, a complete game, one
hit shutout in Game one, and then two home runs
in Game two. Again, we're just Otani's so far off
the charts in terms of comparing him to anyone else
in baseball it's not even worth mentioning. So I talked
to Morosi and he insists, when it's all said and done, show,

(01:28:19):
hey Otani will be a Los Angeles Dodger in twenty
twenty four. The reason being is the money. You know, once,
once you've gotten past I don't know, a half billion
dollar deal, which is probably the minimum right now for him.
You know, let's say ten years, fifty million a year, right,
you know, five hundred million could go even higher than that.

(01:28:42):
I mean, once you've gotten to that level, what's a
few extra hundred million. He wants to go to a
team that can win a World Series. I agree with him.
I mean, he's just had the thrill of the World
Baseball Classic, you know, and that final strikeout of his
teammate Mike Trout to win it. You can tell that
winning is imperative to him. Money's always important, but I

(01:29:03):
don't think it's the breaking factor. So he believes, when
it's all said and done, based on the fact of
the Dodgers' track record of being a perennial contender and
just the makeup of their roster, that that's where Otani
ultimately will end up.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
Yeah. Yeah, Look, I've been saying this for a long time,
and you know this. I had a hunch that a
Shohei Otani wanted to join a team that had a
real chance in the very near future to win a championship.
Is that the Angels? No, Is it more like the Dodgers. Yeah,

(01:29:40):
it definitely does feel like that with the tradition of
being in the postseason every year, and like we've always
heard in Major League Baseball, the postseason's a crapshoots. So
just get there, Like, just get into the postseason and
then take your spin on the roulette wheel. We'll see
what happens when you get there. So you got to
get there the Dodgers' routine. We get to the postseason. Now,

(01:30:04):
will the Angels ever trade a player, especially of this
caliber to the Los Angeles Dodgers? Then answer is absolutely not.
It's laughable to even consider that. The other question is
do they really want him to be traded at all? Well,
I've been saying this from the jump. He's an untradeable commodity.

(01:30:28):
It almost has less to do with the Angels not
wanting to trade him, more so that no offer is
going to be commeasured with his talents. You're not going
to be able to get enough of a trade haul
to be able to go to your fan base or
even your owner and say, hey, look, this is the

(01:30:49):
best we could get for Sho hee Otani, and I
think we should do it, because even if you're gonna
get an absolute, I mean a king's ransom, it is
still going to hal in comparison to what he's actually worth.
And then on the other side of it, if he
plays half a season with some other team and he

(01:31:09):
still ends up in LA with the Dodgers a half
a season later, everybody's going to be like, how on
earth did you trade show heyo Tani? How did you
not make it work for us? You will be the
front office who did maybe what is on paper the
right thing to do, but from a public relations standpoint,
it would be an absolute fiasco. There is no general

(01:31:33):
manager or front office personnel director in baseball who wants
to be the person, the man woman who traded show
Heyo Tani because that is going to be the sum
of your entire career. That is going to be the

(01:31:54):
bullet the top line of your resume forever and ever,
and it's not gonna look good for you. So he's untradeable.
Of course, the Angels aren't going to trade him. Of course,
they brought in Gildo, They traded for an all star pitcher.
Of course they did because they have to make a
run right now because there's no trading show Hey, o Tani,

(01:32:16):
and if he wants to be a Dodger and free agency,
at least your fan base can swallow hard and be like, well,
we gave it our best shot while he was here
and it wasn't enough. Or heck. I mean, who knows.
Maybe the Angels catch fire. I mean, last I checked,
there were four games above five hundred. Maybe they go
on a row and maybe they win a World Series

(01:32:37):
with show Hey. Either way, as a fan base, you
can't attack the front office for trying to make him
an offer he didn't want to refuse, and he just
didn't want to stay in an Angel's uniform because he
wanted to win a World championship in La.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Well, the Angels have a history. You're talking about the
trade deadline coming up. Of being a team that comes
out of left field. They were out of left field again,
show Halle. Nobody thought they were the pottery. Seem to
have the inside track on Otani ends up with the Angels.
I remember the Poohols deal. No one saw that coming,
Josh Hamilton deal, nobody saw that coming. So the Angels

(01:33:13):
do have a history of coming up with something at
the last second. Now they've committed to O'tani for the
balance of the year, they're on the clock. They've got
to prove to this guy about if winning is the
most important thing for you, this is the place to stay.
So if there's going to be a team that could
surprise at the trade deadline, look out for those Angels.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
On the other side, I'm trying to catch up on
a few things I missed out with Rich earlier in
the show, including some very controversial comments from Sean Payton
and the motivation that he had to, in my opinion,
light a fire under his Broncos football team. We'll discuss.
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all right, So rich Sean Payton made news this week
obviously when he well, basically he told the truth about
Nathaniel Hackett. I mean we talked about it throughout the
season that the hiring a Hacket is the head coach

(01:35:02):
of the Broncos was a disaster. We heard it from players,
We saw the ill effects that may or may have
not had on Russell Wilson. Whatever the reason, Hackett was
a bad hire to be the heague coach of the Broncos.
But the thing Sean Payton did is that he said
it publicly.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
He retracted by saying I was still wearing my Fox
Sports Radio commentator hat, or maybe I had a couple
of extra lattes. I don't believe that for a second.
My opinion on this is is that Sean Payton is
a very smart guy and he walks into that Broncos
locker room, a team that was five and twelve a
year ago, and he feels that by the way, by

(01:35:47):
making this public, he's basically put a huge target on
the Broncos. And by the way, they're playing the Jets
team that hackets. Now you know the coordinator in week four,
So you say you don't do something like this me
he read the locker room and he's looking for shock value,
some to really jolt a team that was as bad

(01:36:08):
or far worse than their talent should have been a
year ago, to try to get him back on track. Now,
whether it works or not, I don't know, but at
least from where I sit just sort of reading the room,
Sean Payton knew fully well what he was doing and
the residual effects that would have, and at least in

(01:36:29):
his mind, he's good with that for this team.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
You know, I'll give him the benefit of a doubt
because I've explained this before. When I first got into broadcasting,
I had to take my football hat off and put
on my broadcasting hat. And what I mean by that
is they are two very different jobs on the polar
opposite sides of the spectrum. When you're a broadcaster, you're

(01:36:55):
paid to be critical. When you're a sports broadcaster, you're
a matters. When you're a head football coach or you're
a player on a team, you represent the team, You
represent your teammates or your players. If you're a coach,
and you represent the organization and the league that you
represent or that that team plays within. Like so there's

(01:37:17):
a lot of different places that you report to, and
as a result of whatever it is that you say,
you could get in a lot of trouble, or you
could get your teammates into a bind where they're answering
questions about an answer to a question that you just gave,
and you can start a controversy, and you can start
internal problems inside of a franchise. You could set a

(01:37:37):
lot of things on fire with just one sentence in
front of the media as a player or as a coach.
And so you got to be really, really careful what
you say. It takes a lot of time to get
that training out of your head, Like it took me
a while to really discover my true opinion on things
and not this guarded take that I I sort of

(01:38:00):
fed to the media, fed to people who asked me
questions about the teams I played for, the coaches I
played for, the teammates I had, or even people who
I didn't know. Because I was no longer protecting the brand.
I was no longer protecting the shield. I was no
longer protecting these organizations. What I was being paid for
is to give my opinion. It's really difficult to relearn

(01:38:23):
that to teach the old dog new tricks, so to speak. Well,
Sean Payton, he became a commentator, and I gotta tell you,
I thought that he did a nice job being critical.
I thought that he levied fair criticism while he was
an analyst with Fox, and I thought that he transitioned
into that role pretty well. I think this may have

(01:38:44):
been a lapse of judgment with somebody who he had
become close with over time, and maybe who he had
candid off the record conversations with, maybe this offseason and
several other offseasons leading into other seasons when he was
coaching in the league or as analyst last year, and
he just let things slip that he absolutely shouldn't have now.

(01:39:05):
Could it have been calculated? Could it have been something
that he wanted to put out there in the press
to make sure that if things go really wrong in Denver,
he is able to say, well, everybody knows based on
the truth that I told the two Latte Day that
there were big problems here. There's a lot to be
undone that Nathaniel Hackett did to my poor quarterback, Russell Wilson.

(01:39:27):
So I'm going to need a whole nother year to
get this under control here in Denver. Yeah, it's possible.
It's possible that he had a plan, but I'm willing
to give him the benefit of the down and say
he slipped up. And I don't think it actually benefits
him all that much outside of what I just described.
I think it probably it probably can work against him

(01:39:48):
if one of his players give you another team a
rival some bullet tin board material. So I don't know
if it was necessarily a plan, and if it was,
if it was a plan, I don't think it was
a good plan at all.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
The Russell Wilson situation is complicated for Peyton. Sean Payton's
an offensive coach and he was blessed in Drew Brees
with the most accurate passer in the history of the
National Football League. In order for the Peyton offense to work,
you have to have an accurate passing quarterback. That's what

(01:40:24):
it's all predicated on.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
I think again, the idea of even commenting on the
Hackett situation really was based on a perceived defense of
Russell wilson season. In other words, the reason Russell Wilson
was so bad had nothing to do with Russell Wilson.
It had everything to do with Hackett, the coaching staff,
and was a fiasco. So he's trying to deflect any

(01:40:51):
criticism of Russell Wilson, maybe to get his mindset. But
I'm also hearing from multiple sources that Russell Wilson's on
a short leash, like if he can't execute Sean Payton's offense,
meaning if he can't actually throw the ball to the
right receiver. Sean Payton signed a huge deal in Denver.

(01:41:18):
I mean, they made a monster commitment financially to him. Again,
that's why this is such an intriguing marriage pending between
Wilson and Peyton, because if Wilson bears any resemblance to
the quarterback we saw a year ago. Sean Payton is
gonna say, I'm not Nathaniel Hackett. I ain't going anywhere.

(01:41:40):
I got a five year deal here. I got to
find a quarterback that can actually run my offense. So
this is gonna be very very interesting. What's also interesting
to me is we have yet to see any public
statement from Russell Wilson since Sean Payton made these comments
about Hackett. Have you seen any public statement from Russell Nothing?

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
But but also let's be very very clear, how would
that benefit Russell Wilson, How would that benefit the Denver Broncos.
How would that benefit Sean Payton? If Russell Wilson added
anything to this. If I'm Russell Wilson, I'm not defending

(01:42:19):
Nathaniel Hackett here. I'm not defending Sean Payton here or
his comments, because if you do either, there's going to
be criticism showing up at your front door. So what
I would do if I were Russell Wilson and if
I were Sean Payton, I would be encouraging every single
one of my players to do this. You know, look,
Coach Peyton said what he said, those are his own words.

(01:42:42):
If you want to follow up on that commentary, you
need to talk to coach Peyton, And I mean, from
top to bottom, that entire roster should be saying the
same thing, because why should Russell Wilson have to answer
for anything that Sean Payton says. Now, don't get me wrong,
I think some of what he said was flattering to

(01:43:02):
Russell Wilson. I think some of what he said was
in defense of Russell Wilson, saying, Russell Wilson's actually a
really good quarterback who was given really bad advice and
coaching from a very bad head coach. That's what Sean Payton.
That's the picture that Sean Payton was illustrating. Now, if
he can actually fix this problem, he's also going to

(01:43:23):
be taking a victory lap and a lot of credit
for Russell Wilson's success in Denver. So there is that
side to the story. But I actually think that it
would benefit Russell Wilson not at all to speak out
on this, and I think it would benefit everybody if
they try to get this story to go away as
quickly as possible. By the way, the quarterback who did
actually lash out and speak out was Aaron Rodgers. Yeah,

(01:43:46):
because he's talking about his offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
I mean that was predictable when we heard the sound
a little bit earlier from him and yeah, I mean,
and he reminded him, Hey, we're going to face the
steam in week four. Look, the pressure is the Peyton
put it right back on the shoulders of Russell Wilson.
I'm going to make a public stated you are as
great as you think you are.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
It had nothing to do with you, zero to do
with you. Now that we've gotten that past us, now
you got to prove it to me. And if you
can't prove it to me, well we may be looking
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And Monsey is back. So on my x account. Yes,
by the way, on your phone, if you have or
had the Twitter app, yes, I have it, does it
still show Twitter or does it say X?

Speaker 8 (01:44:48):
Mine still shows Twitter? The little bird?

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
So everybody that I know it now has X.

Speaker 8 (01:44:53):
It is flipped.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
Maybe still has the bird. Yeah, Mike also still has
the bird.

Speaker 6 (01:44:58):
We talked about that, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Oh, my my ex Denise, my daughter both had their
app and it big X. It's on their app.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
Oh my gosh, it just switched. Really yeah mine, Oh yeah,
it just switches.

Speaker 8 (01:45:12):
It's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
Closed the app and I went back to it and
it's now X's great.

Speaker 8 (01:45:16):
It scares me. My, I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Oh here's the thing, so big problems. So my now
X account, which is pretty quiet unless I'm working weekends
in Mancy, and then all of a sudden, it's like
all hell breaks.

Speaker 8 (01:45:33):
I mean, it's really directed at you, guys. I'm just
included in it, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:45:37):
But somebody did mention that you probably want some Jordan four's,
And then I thought to myself, I wonder if Hartman
has ever owned a pair of Jordan's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
Oh wow, the answer is no.

Speaker 8 (01:45:51):
But I mean you could rock fours.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
I'm just saying, but Sonny Vacuero is a very close
friend of mine that I can attest.

Speaker 8 (01:45:58):
What about you, Rich? How many how many pair Jordan's?

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
I'll let you guess, how many pairs of Jordans have
I ever owned months?

Speaker 9 (01:46:04):
Oh my goodness, it's either going to be like zero one.

Speaker 8 (01:46:09):
Thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
The correct answer is two pairs two two pairs of Jordan's.

Speaker 8 (01:46:16):
Which which are the two pairs?

Speaker 9 (01:46:18):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
I mean both of them? Just the ones?

Speaker 8 (01:46:21):
Yeah, of course, the.

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
Classic all whites. And then I actually had a pair
of the unc tar heel blues.

Speaker 8 (01:46:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
I could not pull them off. I looked like such
an idiot. I remember one time I wore them with
these tight jeans. I was trying to be so slick
and somebody clowned me so hard, and I was just like, yeah,
you're right, I should take these off. I think I
gave them to somebody.

Speaker 9 (01:46:44):
Oh man, they probably just told you that hoping you
would give it to them.

Speaker 6 (01:46:47):
Oh yeah, Oh I never thought insult someone and hope
that they give you a gift.

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
Yeah, gentleman, that gentleman war sized thirteen men.

Speaker 8 (01:46:56):
See yeah, d wow, believable. Yeah, that's what they're That's
what they were trying to do.

Speaker 9 (01:47:02):
I've got Cody Bellinger right now on my screen batting
for the Cubs who are trying to win nine in
a row, but the Cardinals are beating them three zero.
Top of the sixth inning, and Cody Bellinger has been
taken off the trade market. Obviously, the Cubs are only
three and a half games behind the first place Burs
and just three games out of the final wild card
spot in the NL.

Speaker 8 (01:47:22):
And no, he didn't do.

Speaker 9 (01:47:23):
No is on all he got on base, But again,
Cardinals are are up three zero. The Rays have extended
their lead over the Astros. It's six to zero bottom
of the fifth inning, and the Guardians are blanking the
White Sox three zero.

Speaker 8 (01:47:35):
Bottom of the sixth inning.

Speaker 9 (01:47:36):
With the Tigers and the Marlins are now no longer tied.
This has been a fun game. The Marlins have retaken
the lead. It's five to four bottom of the six inning.

Speaker 8 (01:47:44):
Just like the Bruers and.

Speaker 9 (01:47:45):
The Braves, this game has also been super fun back
and forth.

Speaker 8 (01:47:48):
The Braves just tied.

Speaker 9 (01:47:49):
The game thanks to Marcel Azuna hitting a solo shot,
so they are tied at home against the Birers at
six apiece, and then they're about to start the bottom
of the seventh inning.

Speaker 8 (01:47:58):
Let's do a little Women's World Cup, shall we.

Speaker 9 (01:48:01):
All of these games happened while we were probably sleeping
overnight early Sunday morning.

Speaker 8 (01:48:06):
Norway dominated the Philippines six to nil.

Speaker 9 (01:48:08):
They have officially made it to the knockout round Columbia
with the two to one thrilling victory over Germany and Switzerland.
They had a scoreless straw against New Zealand, so Switzerland
has advanced to the knockout round. Co host New Zealand
has officially been eliminated from the Women's World Cup and
in the NFL the Vikings and pass rusher Daniel Hunter, who.

Speaker 8 (01:48:29):
By the way, that name is Danielle. Danielle is the
way that name looks daniel That's Danielle.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
Wait wait, wait, wait a second. This is coming from
somebody named.

Speaker 8 (01:48:40):
Months, surrat That's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
When I look at your name, I'm like, is it Mons?
The first time that I'm looking at or rundown On,
you know, who's you know? And the first time I
saw your name's Moncey. I'm with rich here boy like,
all right, I don't I don't even know it's a
male of FEMA. It's a Mons. I mean, Months could
go a lot of different directions, right, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:06):
I love the one person with a like you're working
with a Sam with a Steve with a Ridge, and
you're you're Monsy Bolanos and you're like, but Daniil cannot
go by Daniel.

Speaker 8 (01:49:19):
It's the first time I saw that name. I was like, Danielle, Danielle,
and man, it was Ryan Werschinger who was like, it's
Daniel and I was like, no, it's not. Let me
tell you what. It's not Daniel, but it is Daniel
Hunter getting paid.

Speaker 9 (01:49:32):
Agreed to TURST on a one year deal with the
Vikings that can be worth up to twenty million. Seventeen
million guaranteed. That's not a bad year. No, I'm in
the wrong business. Back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
By the way, one of my favorite uh when Jay
Moore was here at Fox Sports Radio. Jay was on
the show preceding Mine and and I love Jay and
so he had too in as a studio guest. So
t O's standing right next to me and now he's
walking in do this interview in studio with Jay. So

(01:50:03):
Jay stands up. Terrell, what's going on? Too, goes, it's Terrell.
Get your popcorn ready, it's Terrell Terrell. JA was like, no,

(01:50:24):
it's Terrell. I mean, look at your name. It says
Terrell Terrell. Yeah, it's Terrell. Not so everyone has their
own little twist and turn. I remained Steve, Yes, yes, no,
one simple, yeah, unless you were like Stephen Curry, Stephen Curry.
If you see the new Stephan Curry documentary, which I did,

(01:50:47):
it was outstanding. There's somebody who actually introduces him as
Stephen Curry and it's spelled s T E p H
E N. There's you know, there's the B or the
p H and you could hear them yelling like his family,
it's Stephan how Stephen Curry.

Speaker 9 (01:51:05):
I just saw this on social media a couple days ago,
and I laughed so hard. Somebody was talking to Taylor
Swift on a red carpet and she looks like the
Taylor Swift now, not like when she was new. And
the woman's like and there's Taylor Smith. And Taylor Swift's
face is so good. She just like kind of chuckles
and walks away like that. I loved her reaction. But

(01:51:25):
Taylor Smith, Taylor Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Yes, Now, imagine Rich's last name. How many oh?

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
I mean, come on every single time?

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
How often you see the letters oh h are in?

Speaker 8 (01:51:39):
Not ever?

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
And what what sequence do you ever see the letters
oh h are in?

Speaker 4 (01:51:46):
There's only one word, and it's Berger Hoornberger, and it's
it's a proper noun H and it stands for Hornberger.
Here's the biggest problem is when when somebody is obviously
calling off of a like a telemarketer, dials the number
and they give me a buzz, they're like, am I
speaking to mister? And there's always this pause where you
could tell they're just hard swallowing and they're like, oh no,

(01:52:11):
and they're just like Hornberger, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
No hr And see that letter sequence anywhere other than
rich Ornberger. All right, Monzie, thank you very much. Coming
up on the other side, we were just talking about
this whole dynamic. Aaron Rodgers, keep my coach's name out
of you know, your mouth, blah blah blah. The criticism
that Sean Payton had of Nathaniel Hackett. Well, now knowing

(01:52:37):
that the Jets and Broncos will face each other, there's
even more reason why maybe Sean Payton should have made
those cracks about Hacket. We'll tell you why. This is
Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvin, Rich Harberger, Fox Sports Sunday.
Fans of Banana Rama back in the day, Oh yeah, hey, Rich,

(01:53:03):
This Aaron Rodgers retort to Sean Payton about keep my
coach's name out of your mouth. Let's hear what Aaron
Rodgers actually had to say about Sean Payton's prerogatory comments
about his beloved mister Hackett.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
I love Nathaniel Hackett and those comments were very surprising
for a coach to do that to another coach.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
My love for hat goes deep.

Speaker 3 (01:53:31):
You know, we had some great years together in Green Bay,
kept in touch, love him and his family. He's an
incredible family man, incredible dad, and on the field, you know,
he's arguably my favorite coach I've ever had in the NFL.
Just his approach to it, how he makes it fun,
how he cares about the guys, just how he goes
about his business with respect, with leadership, with honesty, with integrity.

(01:53:55):
And it made me feel bad that someone who's accomplished
a lot in the league is that insecure sure that
they have to take another man down to set themselves
up for some sort of easy fall if it doesn't go.

Speaker 4 (01:54:06):
Well for that team this year.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
I thought it was way out of line, inappropriate, and
I think he needs to keep my coach's names out
of his mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
All right. Well, the bottom line was Hacket was a
disaster in Denver and there's no arguing that. But I
understand he's coming to the defense of his coach. Somebody
likes he might even have more confidence, says the Jets
will be playing in the Broncos. I believe week four
of the season if they add Dalvin Week five is
week five if they add Dalvin Cook to the roster.

(01:54:36):
Who was, by the way, hanging out today at Jets practice,
Rich sort of get a view of things, and with
Aaron Rodgers redoing his deal and leaving some thirty five
million dollars on the table to free up some cap space,
it seems like a Dalvin Cook arrival in a Jets
uniform seems at this point likely. How's that sound to you?

(01:55:06):
That was a practice today, Rich.

Speaker 4 (01:55:08):
Yeah, Look, I mean two things, actually, a lot of
things in reaction to the sound clip we heard and
the commentary about you know, Rogers taking a pay cut.
When you're in a relationship with somebody that you see
a future with, you start making sacrifices, right Like when

(01:55:31):
you meet somebody at first, maybe you're not one hundred
percent sure if it's going to be, you know, a
future spouse. Maybe you're thinking it's just a casual thing,
and then all of a sudden, feelings start deepening and
you start sacrificing some time. I don't know. Maybe you're
a video gamer and you're hanging up the sticks to

(01:55:52):
go take her out apple picking, or you know, you're
you're spending less time with your friends because you're spending
more time with her or him, you know whatever. Like
you start making sacrifices for people or commitments that you
see feeling long term to you. That's what Aaron Rodgers

(01:56:13):
is doing here. He wanted to dip his toes into
the water in New York before committing fully, and I
completely agree with that because he doesn't have so many
tomorrows left in the NFL. So he went in there,
spent the offseason, i'm sure, getting to know the coach,
the head coach sala and obviously knows Nathaniel Hacket extremely well,

(01:56:35):
and seeing how much rain he's going to have over
the offense, how much control Aaron is going to have
over the offense as well, and see what sort of
pieces they have in place around the offense, and then
expand that, you know, that spectrum or that evaluation to
the defensive side and say, hey, you know, we got
a pretty darn good defense here in it looks like
they're committed to keeping this defense pretty good for a

(01:56:55):
while here. And it also looks like they're pretty committed
to surrounding me with players that I want to be
surrounded by. Because remember, even before he was traded to
the New York Jets, they already started what looked like
a list of free agents that Aaron Rodgers would really
like to play with. So I think what we're seeing
in Aaron Rodgers is that commitment to long term, whatever

(01:57:18):
long term means at this point in an older quarterbacks career.
Now getting back to the point about Nathaniel Hackett, you
got to stick up for your guys, like one hundred
percent of the time. You got to stick up for
your guys. So he did the right thing there. I
think that he handled it actually fairly diplomatically. I think
he could have actually gone low. Instead he took the

(01:57:40):
high road. And we've seen Aaron Rodgers get vicious at times,
you know, when he's speaking honestly, and I think he
handled that pretty well. Because Nathaniel Hackett is responsible in
part for two and they were consecutive MVP seasons for
Aaron Rodgers in the twenty twenty season, in the twenty
twenty one season, So I'm sure he feels like he

(01:58:02):
owes him a lot, at very least defending him against
Sean Payton, who in everybody has estimation, came off pretty
half cock there when he said what he said to
USA today in terms of Nathaniel Hackett. You know, bringing
this full circle, Nathaniel Hackett was not a good head

(01:58:22):
coach in Denver. So nothing Sean Payton said was incorrect,
it was just inappropriate. And then in terms of signing
Dalvin Cook, you know, to finish up this whole diatribe, man,
if the Jets signed Dalvin Cook, look out because that
is going to be a very very very complete offense,
and all of a sudden they're going to be one

(01:58:44):
of those teams who you look at in the AFC
East and you say, well, all of a sudden, the
Jets go from being a team that could could tend
in the East to potentially win the East.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
Oh, there's no doubt. I mean Dalvin Cook. And yesterday
I was talking to Kerrie Rhodes and he says, yeah,
you know, I've followed him back to his Florida State days,
and I'm thinking to myself, when has Dalvin Cook not
being a dominant running back. He dominated in college, he's
dominated in the NFL. Yeah, And by the way, if

(01:59:14):
you've been watching the Quarterback Series on Netflix, you had
plenty of highlights from Dalvin Cook, which, by the way,
is another reason the Vikings will not win thirteen games
this year when you subtract. In fact, I thought it
was best put by Bucky brook saying if you're if
you're a superstar quarterback like a Tom Brady, you can

(01:59:35):
get by without a dominant running back. You have quarterback,
you know, running back by committee. But if you're a
middle of the road quarterback, if you're Ryan Tannehill, if
you're Kirk Cousins, you definitely need a dominant running back.
And I think Dalvin Cook is that. I can't even
imagine what Aaron Rodgers would have in store if he

(01:59:57):
has Dalvin Cook in that backfield. By the way, speaking
of running backs, they've really been in the news and
now we've got running backs that have signed new deals
still running backs and limbo, and running backs that realizing
they may not get paid by their current team. Want
to get traded, We'll have the latest update. This is

(02:00:18):
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(02:00:41):
they are now saying it's been the hottest month that
this planet has seen in what is it, one hundred
and fifty thousand years. I don't know how they know that,
but that's what they're estimating. Is it is hot where
you are on the East coast as what the rest
of the country is exp hear and see right now.

Speaker 4 (02:01:01):
Uh yeah, yeah, we're definitely we're definitely getting cooked out
here in Connecticut. Not bad though today we're in the
evening hours, so we're dipping into the mid seventies. So
while I'm here, you know, yammering on with you about
Aaron Rodgers and Sean Payton and Nathaniel Hackett, and Russell

(02:01:21):
Wilson in the MLB trade deadline, and you know potentially
who we could see having some success out of the
NFL this season. The rest of the families at the beach.
I sacrifice for you, Steve, because I love you and
I love sports. Wow. Some days, that's right. Let's go boys, let's.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
Go by the way. Today, the city of Phoenix, Arizona.
Uh huh, surpassed one hundred and ten degrees for the
thirtieth consecutive day. Wow. That's thirty consecutive days of at
least one hundred and ten degrees. They actually snapped a

(02:01:59):
streak of six sixteen consecutive days where it never got
below ninety at any point, like overnight never got below ninety.

Speaker 4 (02:02:11):
Well, I tell this story when when I was when
I was signed by the Arizona Cardinals in twenty twelve. Yeah,
I went out there on July thirty first, because my
first day of training camp was going to be August first,
So I landed in the valley for my doctor's appointments. Yes,

(02:02:32):
and they were gonna take me up to practice the
next day up in NAU Northern Arizona University is where
they were hosting training camp. They probably still do. But anyways,
so I go, I go. I go to the doctor's
appointments and I get cleared medically, and then I'm just
gonna stay overnight in a hotel in Phoenix. And so
it's like six or seven o'clock at night when I

(02:02:53):
get finished with all the medical stuff, and I'm just like, man,
it is so hot. It was like one fifteen that day.
I remember it was really really scorching hot. I'm like,
I'll go back down when the sun sets, you know,
in summertime, so the sun doesn't set until eight o'clock,
had some phone calls to make. I might have even
dozed off. I woke up and it was some part
of like nine or ten o'clock at night, and I
was starving. At this point, I'm like, I gotta get something,

(02:03:16):
so I search on Google Maps real quick. I'm like, oh, yeah,
there's like an in and out Burger in the in
the parking lot across the street. So I go down
to the lobby and the double doors of the lobby
slide open, and I am met with what feels like
when you open up like a three hundred and fifty
degree oven. When it finished pre hitting preheating. You get

(02:03:39):
that just wind of heat that just hits your face like.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
A furnace heat.

Speaker 4 (02:03:43):
I like tumbled back into the lobby. I'm like, I'm like,
oh my god. I was like, do you guys have
like the heater on on this door? And the guy goes, no,
that's the temperature.

Speaker 2 (02:03:53):
I'm like, so hot?

Speaker 4 (02:03:54):
How hot is it? He points to the screen in
the lobby that gives you the updated weather. It said
it was one twelve and it was ten o'clock at night.

Speaker 2 (02:04:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:04:03):
I just decided to go to sleep hungry.

Speaker 2 (02:04:05):
I'm like, you'm not excited at that point to be
a cardinal?

Speaker 4 (02:04:09):
Yeah? Oh, I was thrilled. I was really hoping it
was going to work out.

Speaker 2 (02:04:14):
How did that change when he went from Arizona to
San Diego. Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:04:18):
Well, let's put it this way. When when my former
head coach got hired as an offensive coordinator in San
Diego and said he wanted me to come with him,
he didn't realize that I was going to be on
the next thing smoking. I showed up the next day
and he was like, oh wow, He's like, are you're
visiting already? I'm like, well, you said you wanted me
saw I'm here.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
Yeah, well I tell you what. Yes, it's been hot.
So again, do your best out there to stay as
cool as possible, especially our friends out there in Arizona. Wow,
that is that is cooking. All right, let's talk about
running backs right now, your Nitney lion sa Kwan Barkley. Yeah,

(02:04:58):
decided that, but he will not hold out a training camp.
He signed a one year deal worth eleven million, which
was roughly what his franchise tag was. There's some incentives
to get and get up to eleven million. It's actual
franchise tag was ten point one. Ask why he did this,
he said, I had an epiphany. Now this is not
a word that's used often around the National Football League.

(02:05:21):
I'm still trying to figure out exactly why he had
this epiphany, but it doesn't I guess maybe it was
the aftermath of that big meeting, you know, the zoom
call with all the running backs or they were talking
about we got to sort of come together as a
group if we want to you know, strength the numbers.

(02:05:42):
And they came out of that with a reality check,
probably from the agents as much as anything else, saying sorry, guys,
there's nothing we can do about this. So the idea
of sitting out a year and forfeiting ten million, it's
probably not a good idea. If they're offering you that money,

(02:06:05):
take it. And so really, this story to me is
over uh in terms of any kind of windfall from
all the noise being made by this collective of running
backs that you know where being truly you know, unfairly
treated you are. But there's there's not a lot you

(02:06:27):
can do about it, right, And I don't even know
because when Jim Murs, say, the owner of the Colts
brought up a collective bargaining agreement and both sides had
to make concessions to make it all work for everybody else.
The idea that you're going to single out a single
position and say, well, you're going to have to dedicate
more of your salary cap toward this position, I mean,

(02:06:48):
what what does that mean? Maybe some team will We've
seen teams unfortunately fork over a lot of money. Let's
go down the list. Todd Gurley, David Johnson, Ezekiel Elliott,
any other running backs come to mind. Well, listen, where
they were overspending on a position that did not produce.

Speaker 4 (02:07:08):
Well, it's only overspending when it doesn't work right, you
know so. I mean there have been running back contracts
like Derrick Henry's that have worked out and they had
to sign. Austin Eckler, by the way, is on a
second contract. Yes, he's not on his rookie deal. He
just wanted further. He wanted to re up his second contract.

(02:07:29):
You know. So there are times where contracts for running
backs work out too. We just like to highlight the
ones that don't to prove the point. Now, I'm with you.
Running backs in terms of their value in the NFL
have been diminished, and there's a lot of people who
are going to defend running backs who are going to say, yeah,
but look at the Derek Henry or look at a

(02:07:51):
Sakuon Barkley, or look at it, Josh Jacobs, or look
at Dalvin Cook. There's still teams out there who really
need to have like a Bell Cow running back in
order for offense to go. Okay, Well, you just named
five teams. Name five more. It's hard to do. And
the reason why it's hard to do is because very
few teams rely on one bell Cow running back anymore.

(02:08:15):
In the days of Terrell Davis, you can find a
lot in the days of MTT. Smith, you can find
a lot. You can't find a lot anymore. It's just
not the way teams are built anymore. There isn't as
much of an emphasis on running the football. There's a
huge emphasis on passing the football. That's why quarterbacks contracts
have skyrocketed. That's the reason why wide receivers contracts have skyrocketed.

(02:08:39):
Right and left tackle contracts have skyrocketed. Protecting the passer,
getting the passes thrown, catching the passes, that's the reason
why pass rushers contracts have skyrocketed. Same thing with corners.
Stopping the pass like this league is very simple. It
is still a line of scrimmage game like you still
need to have strong offensive and defensive line. You need

(02:09:03):
to be able to stop the run. There's no question
you're gonna need to be able to stick the run
up in there to keep the defense honest. But it
is a passing league. This is what the commissioner and
all the owners want, and frankly, this is what the
players want too, Because every single time somebody's fantasy roster

(02:09:23):
sends them alert that they're in the red zone, they're
not looking at their running backs anymore. They're looking at
their Oh, which one of my wide receivers is going
to catch a touchdown? Here? Oh, I got two of
the Chiefs wideouts because I knew they were gonna be
in the red zone all weekend long. Like this is
where the NFL is going, So yeah, I get it.
It feels unfair because running backs are still getting a

(02:09:46):
lot of passes thrown to them. They're still they're still
getting a lot of rushing yards some of them, but
the vast majority of teams are getting away from the
one back system. They're going with two backs, some of
them are going with three backs. Some of them aren't
even going with a running back that's going to be
their workhorse. It's almost equal shares. Like the Kansas City

(02:10:10):
Chiefs named during the Patrick Mahomes era, the one running
back who really sticks out like a sore thrum that
won them a championship or got them close. You can't.
It's not what Andy Reid does. And it's a copycat league.
All these other teams are getting away from it. Two.
They're becoming more past centric, and I don't blame them,
because it's a very effective strategy to win in the league.

(02:10:31):
These days.

Speaker 2 (02:10:33):
It's interesting and again try to gauge the value is
based on yards yards per attend. For instance, the top
four rushing yards per attempt in the NFL last year.
Here are the names ready rushing yards per attempt. Okay,
the top four were justin fields, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen,

(02:10:58):
and Daniel Jones. Those are quarterbacks. Yeah, so they actually
averaged more yards per attent than any running backs did
in the NFL. Jonathan Taylor, so he's the end of
the rookie deal. He had injuries a year ago, but
the two previous years obviously one of the dominant running

(02:11:19):
backs in the league. He has an owner that made
comments specifically about the fact that, you know, running backs
shouldn't be complaining about their deal. And so Taylor immediately says,
I want to be traded, and Jim Ursay says, I
ain't trading you. Are you kidding me? We're going to
use you up whatever you got left. Just the nature

(02:11:41):
of the business. I guess you could always choose a
different business, right if you're unhappy. Isn't that an option?

Speaker 4 (02:11:46):
Here's the deal. I just like I compare things that
are going out of fashion to the days of the
horse drawn carriage. Right there came along the automobile, and
there were still people who were saying, there is no
way this catch is on.

Speaker 2 (02:12:05):
Yeah, there is no way. Bad horse and buggies looking good.

Speaker 4 (02:12:08):
Oh dude, it's but it's a bygone era. Like these
running backs. They sound like buggy whip salesman's. They sound
like people are selling harnesses for horses. You know, they're
trying to hold on to something that I mean, frankly,
the necessity of the running back in the NFL is vestigial.

(02:12:29):
For certain teams, they build their offense around it, but
for others, it's becoming something that is completely useless. Like
the Kansas City Chiefs, they if they lose a running back,
they replace a running back. In fact, they lost their
best wide receiver arguably a Hall of Fame wide receiver
when he left and Tyreek Hill after only five seasons

(02:12:52):
with the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, Tyreek Hill was
an impactful offensive weapon. They found a way to replace him.
You know, it doesn't matter who they're going to stick
in there at running back. And I know maybe they're exceptional,
and that's a poor example, but the same thing with
a lot of these offenses they don't require a bell
cow running back, and so the position has been devalued.

(02:13:14):
If they're not doing it intentionally, it's just the way
the world is going. It's just the way these offensive
minds want to exploit the vertical passing game as opposed
to try to hand the ball to a running back
and get, you know, a six yard carry. You know, yeah,
that's great. That sets you up for a very manageable
second down. But you know what sets you up for

(02:13:35):
a very manageable second down not having a second down,
catching a fifteen yard slant and having another first down.
And that's how a lot of offensive coordinators, unfortunately think
these days.

Speaker 2 (02:13:47):
All right, coming up on the other side, there is
a team whose coach is on the hot seat and
he's not used to it. We'll tell you who this is.
Fox Sports Sunday Steve Harbin and Rich Harnberger back here
live from the tai iraq dot Com studios here on

(02:14:07):
Fox Sports Sunday. John Woodin was a remarkable man. Not
only obviously one of the greatest coaches of any sport ever,
but I had the good fortune of having many conversations
over the years with John Wooden. He was just a
wonderful man, Eagle lists, at least in his interaction with

(02:14:33):
everyday people. He had a great sense of humor. But
I always felt like, in a lot of ways Rich
that what he accomplished at UCLA was a little underrated.
And I put it this way. So he had his
greatest success during the late sixties and early seventies, which
if you remember, is when there was more student unrest
on campuses than any time maybe ever. We obviously had

(02:14:58):
the Vietnam War, we had protest going on, the civil
rights movement. His two biggest stars, Leuel Sender of course
would become Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Bill Walton were very
active in school activities in terms of these protests, and
it seemed like an era where authority was looked down upon,
and yet here was somebody who maintained a style from

(02:15:23):
decades earlier and didn't change. And he told even his
biggest stars, if you're going to play for me, this
is the way things are going to be. And they
had so much respect for him, even if he seemed
out of line with everything that they were involved with

(02:15:43):
as students at the time. Somehow it worked. The reason
I bring this up is that you have Bill Belichick,
who is the most successful coach in NFL history. He's
not just a father figure, he's a grand father figure
to these guys. I mean he's now in his seventies.

(02:16:05):
Only Pete Carroll is older among currents coaches. And there's
this idea that you have to change with the times. Yeah,
Like it's not like it was twenty years ago or
ten years ago. It's constantly evolving. And Belichick, I believe,
is one that still believes in his own formula for success.

(02:16:29):
This is a fine line, and I like to get
your perspective on this rich as a guy that played
in this league, because we constantly hear the idea, Well,
you know, players identify with this coach because he's a
younger coach, like he's almost a contemporary as opposed to
someone that is, you know, again could literally be a

(02:16:50):
grandfather to some of the players currently on this New
England Patriots' roster. So moving forward, where there's pressure, I mean,
Belichick again, in three years without Tom Brady's had two
losing seasons and the only year they made it to
the playoffs, they lost. So there's not a lot they're

(02:17:10):
saying that this team's been going in the right direction,
and only more difficult in a division that now has
added Aaron Rodgers to be the quarterback of the New
York Jets. So how do you think Belichick should approach it?
Should he stick to his guns? And if he does
have to change, is he capable of changing at this point?

Speaker 4 (02:17:32):
I don't think. I don't think he's going to change much. Okay,
I do think that his way can still win in
this league. But he's going to have to find a
way to get Mac Jones to become a great quarterback

(02:17:52):
in this league. Because, let's face it, Bill Belichick, if
there's one thing that was synonymous with his winning was
the greatness of Tom Brady. So if Mac Jones, if
he's not great, then the chances of his message being

(02:18:12):
well received by those who walk through the doors in Foxborough,
it diminishes by the day. So bringing back Billy O'Brien
was very smart because Billy O'Brien had a lot of
success with Tom Brady. Billy O'Brien's offense netted them Super Bowls.
You know, you have to bring in a guy who's

(02:18:32):
capable of running an offense. Matt Patricia and Joe Judge
were not offensive coordinators. They were getting the tryout during
training camp and they basically I'm talking about Bill did.
He basically sacrificed a year of Mac Jones with a
potential test I guess, to see if Matt Patricia could

(02:18:54):
hack it as an offensive coordinator before having to pay
whatever it is they paid Billy O'Brien to come back
to New England. Now, I'm sure he might have gotten
him on, you know, the friendly discount, because they work
together in the past, and Billy O'Brien's career in the
NFL or in college football launched as a result of
being a part of the Patriots Bill Belichick, you know,

(02:19:14):
coaching tree. But still, I mean, if he could have
made it work without him, I'm sure he would have
liked that better. But he couldn't. So he needs Mac
Jones to be great. Because if mac Jones is great,
then guess what you can do. You can lure people
in trade or free agency to come to New England
again and make that team better. Look as good of
a coach can be. And there are certain coaches out

(02:19:37):
there who are great. You mentioned one of them, Pete Carroll.
Another one's Andy Reid. I spoke about Doug Peterson. These
these guys, they're great coaches, but you know what makes
them great great players? Andy Reid has Patrick Mahomes, you know,
I mean Doug Peterson we kind of laugh at him now,
but Carson Wentz was on an absolute tear before his

(02:19:58):
knee injury, and then Nick was able to step in there.
And Doug Peterson really proved how good of a coach
he was by getting that Super Bowl against the Patriots
with Nick Folts. I mean that was incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:20:07):
Okay, can I interject for a second here You mentioned
Andy Reid. Yeah, so again, if you've been watching the
Quarterback Series and they obviously have a lot of on
field interaction going on between Mahomes and Reid. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not saying Mahomes is disrespectful of his head coach,

(02:20:28):
but he seemed rather dismissive of him. I mean it
was almost like every time Reid approached Mahomes about something,
whether it was an injury or some kind of play
they ran, he he almost came up timidly to Mahomes. Yeah,
in almost every instance that there was an interaction on

(02:20:50):
the field, and then of course off the field, I mean,
he could not hug mahomes wife enough. Now I'll give
any recredit. He recognizes again that this kid guaranteed me
a slot in the Hall of Fame. It also guarantees
that I can stay employed for as long as I

(02:21:12):
want to be employed as a head coach, as long
as this kid is my quarterback. Yeah, I asked that
only because I recognize the red recognizes this kid is
my goal ticket. Literally everything as Belichick, as Belichick really
ever accepted the fact, yes, that Tom Brady to a

(02:21:33):
large degree made him, Yes, as successful.

Speaker 4 (02:21:37):
Oh, there's no doubt. Look, if there's one thing Belichick is,
and I believe this having worked with him for three
years and then covering the Patriots over the course of
my broadcasting career and competing against them the latter half
of my career in the NFL, Bill Belichick is an
excellent self scouter. He knows what they're deficient in. He

(02:22:00):
knows what the team he knows best aren't the teams
that he's beaten up on it in division over the
course of the years. You know, the Dolphins, the Jets,
the Bills for the majority of their time over this
you know, two decade reign until very recently with Josh
Allen coming in there. If there's one thing he recognizes
is coaches are made in this league by their quarterbacks. Yes,

(02:22:22):
they are made by their quarterbacks. I'm talking about the
championship winning coaches. And he has a championship winning coach,
and and so that's my point. I mean to to
just sort of, you know, complete the circle here of
the point I was making, Steve is every single great coach,
tell me the name of any single great coach, and
then then then to me in the same breath, tell
me their Hall of Fame quarterback. Because that's what makes

(02:22:45):
a great coach in the NFL, you know, I I
it's I get it, like you know, uh there there
there are, there are there are men out there who
are great leaders. And there are coaches out there who
have led men to the Promised Land, to the playoffs,
two championships, to winning championships. But what it takes is

(02:23:08):
aside the leadership, aside the scheming and the play calling
and the defenses and all this stuff that's all intent.
What you cannot teach is how Tom Brady operates in
the fourth quarter is how Peyton Manning's brain breaks apart
a defense. Is how Russell Wilson can be clutch throughout Well,

(02:23:29):
I should say multiple runs, but he only had really
two deep runs. Aaron Rodgers the same thing for one
great run in the postseason. The point being is you
go to any coach and you talk about their greatness,
you have to go to their quarterback next. And that's
the same with Belichick, and he is trying to make
Mac Jones that next quarterback. And if he doesn't, it's
not gonna work because you need a great quarterback in

(02:23:51):
this league to be a great coach. All right.

Speaker 2 (02:23:53):
And by the way, changing with the times, Sam needs
to change with the times. He refuses to recognize X.
He says it will always be Twitter, and and just
that that's what he said. Yeah, he will never ever
ever term Twitter as I'm staying a traditionalist on this
on this topic, on this topic. Yes, by the way,
has your phone change? Yes? X, No, it has the app?

(02:24:16):
A the app once? Okay, it'll be gone forever.

Speaker 4 (02:24:20):
I'm ax, i'max all the way right now, there's an
AX at the top of my Twitter feed. I guess
I should say there's an X on top.

Speaker 2 (02:24:27):
Well, let's find out what's trending right now? Mance, do
you have the X or is it still Twitter? Hers?
Is still Twitter? Look at that?

Speaker 8 (02:24:34):
Still Twitter? And I've opened it, I've closed the app.
I've done It's still Twitter mine too.

Speaker 4 (02:24:38):
Yeah. You guys just don't update your phone.

Speaker 6 (02:24:41):
So yeah, and that could be it.

Speaker 8 (02:24:42):
And guess what now, I'm never updating it again. Wow,
it's gonna stay. It's gonna stay Twitter. Okay, I'm with you, Sam,
We're not calling his X.

Speaker 2 (02:24:49):
Here's here's the one thing I said when Twitter was
first introduced and we are all like, what is this?
I'm like, why Twitter? What does that even mean? Twitter?

Speaker 8 (02:24:59):
Yeah? Tweet, tweet? So what are we doing now? X scene?

Speaker 2 (02:25:03):
Well X yeah, actually it is a little more nobody
you're texting.

Speaker 6 (02:25:08):
With somebody just come off the mouth through it really
does it.

Speaker 2 (02:25:11):
Twitter didn't even make sense to me from the beginning.
It's like, what is that?

Speaker 4 (02:25:14):
Twitter?

Speaker 8 (02:25:15):
But it rolls off better than X.

Speaker 9 (02:25:17):
Like if I say, oh, I'm on X, You're like,
what is that? I'm going to I'm on ecstasy exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:25:26):
I guess that is a good point when you tell people.
If you tell people you're on X, they're going to
look at.

Speaker 9 (02:25:31):
Right at least Twitter and the tweeting, you know, like,
now again, what are we exing?

Speaker 8 (02:25:36):
Is this? Is this a new term? Or are we
still tweeting on X?

Speaker 2 (02:25:40):
You're not tweeting on X.

Speaker 4 (02:25:42):
I would never tweet on X.

Speaker 9 (02:25:46):
I think exactly exactly all right. Some trades have happened
ahead of the trade deadline in baseball, which is August first.
The Cardinals are trading reliever Jordan Hicks to the Blue
and left handed starter Jordan Montgomery, along with reliever Chris
Stratton to the Rangers. This includes a lot of prospects

(02:26:07):
in the trade. Speaking of the Cardinals, they snapped the
Cub's eight game winning streak, blanking them out or blanking
them three zero.

Speaker 8 (02:26:14):
The Braves outscored the Brewers a six.

Speaker 9 (02:26:16):
Milwaukee is now tied with the Reds in the NL
Central for the top spot. The Reds are currently beating
the Dodgers in LA three zero top of the second inning.
But for the Braves, Matt Olsen five RBIs a three
run home run and a two run home run. But
it was Marcell Ozuna who tied the game for Atlanta
with the solo shot in the six inning. The Angels
held on to beat the Blue Jays three to two
in ten innings, and the Mets top the Nationals five

(02:26:36):
to two. The win goes to picture Justin Berlander, which
is career win number two hundred and fifty.

Speaker 8 (02:26:43):
Two hundred and fifty.

Speaker 2 (02:26:45):
That's impressive. I don't know if.

Speaker 8 (02:26:48):
Thank you Jinx, you owe Mia Soda.

Speaker 2 (02:26:52):
I don't know if we're ever going to see a
three hundred game winner again. Yeah, I mean, it's amazing
when you think of the guys like Greg Maddox and
and you know, Roger Clemens got over three fifty.

Speaker 8 (02:27:03):
Yeah, that's a good hats.

Speaker 2 (02:27:05):
But I mean, we don't have twenty game winners very
often anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:27:09):
So you're the math.

Speaker 9 (02:27:10):
Yeah, yeah, one game in extra innings. Right now, it's
the Phillies and the Pirates. They are tied at four
a piece. Phillies fans on Twitter a little bit ago
were very upset because their pitcher there, pitcher Christopher Sanchez,
he threw five no hit innings and then was pulled
in the fifth inning after only seventy three pitches.

Speaker 2 (02:27:28):
What Dave Roberts managed.

Speaker 9 (02:27:30):
That's literally what the comments where people were not happy
about it. The Pirates ended up tying the game and
again still a tied game. In the bottom of the
tenth inning in Pittsburgh, the Marlins have taken the lead
over the Tigers. It's eight to six top of the
ninth inning in Miami, Royals up on the Twins two
to one, top of the ninth. Ray's still beating the
Astros eight to two bottom of the eighth inning in Houston,

(02:27:50):
and the Rockies up on the eight to.

Speaker 8 (02:27:51):
Two zero bottom of the six inning.

Speaker 9 (02:27:53):
Mariners have scored first against the Diamondbacks. This just got going.
It is two zero bottom of the first inning and
in the NAF earlier today, the Vikings and pasted rusher
Daniil Hunter have agreed to terms on a one year
deal that can be worth up to twenty million, but
it's seventeen million guaranteed. The Pittsburgh Steelers signed veteran free
agent linebacker Kuwan Alexander to a one year deal as well.

Speaker 8 (02:28:14):
Guys, it's been fun back to you.

Speaker 2 (02:28:17):
Hie mon see great job aske one always. By the way,
were you surprised that Sony Michelle decided to retire five
years into his NFL career?

Speaker 4 (02:28:28):
Not entirely, look, I mean for some running backs. I
will say that the idea that the tread on the
tire is starting to run thin in their fifth year
in the league. I would agree that's untrue. But there
are certain schools that are really relying on the run game.

(02:28:51):
And the reason why they're running backs always seem to
be first rounders is because they're really ready for the NFL,
because they're tested in a lead league or I should
say a conference like the SEC, like these Alabama running backs,
like the Damien Harrises of the world, or you know,
Derrick Henry's you know, and he might be a unicorn

(02:29:12):
in terms of running back because of how strong he
still is even though he just begin beginning to break
down in his career. But you know, you look at
Nick Chubb out of Georgia. He shared the backfield with
Sony Michelle. Those guys had a lot of touches as
college athletes. They come out and they come into the

(02:29:32):
league and Sony Michelle, he had some good years with
the Pats. He had that knee injury. I forget where
he went next, It might have been Miami. He then
was traded to the Rams. I know he ended up
there in trade. I mean, this is the late twenties,
the twenty eight to twenty nine, getting near thirty. That's
the time where typically we see running backs hit a

(02:29:55):
ledge and the other side of that ledge is a
pretty steep decline. And so it makes sense to me
that a guy feels like his career can be wrapped
up after five years at that position, especially when he's
coming from such a run dominant school like Georgia where
they feature their running backs.

Speaker 2 (02:30:13):
I want to get back to his Shohea Tani for
a moment here, because he is the man of the hour,
let's face it. I mean he's he is on pace
for a sixty home run season. Yeah, on top of
the fact that he could win fifteen to twenty games
as the starting pitcher. It's just beyond absurd. However, it

(02:30:34):
was interesting the other day actually had a couple of
games where he had to be taken out of games
cramping in his cavs.

Speaker 4 (02:30:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:30:41):
I'm like, somebody get this guy some Gator Ray, right.
I mean, I don't know the reason why why would
a guy like he cramp up? Is he not getting
enough fluids or or is the bigger question I guess
is is he asking too much of himself.

Speaker 4 (02:30:59):
Well, look, there's there's certain.

Speaker 2 (02:31:01):
Because that can have a major effect down the road.
Obbosolutely because as great a hitter as he is, I'm
not paying fifty to sixty million dollars a year for a.

Speaker 4 (02:31:11):
DH Yeah, no, I get it. Look, there are certain players,
certain athletes, certain people, frankly, who are more prone to
cramping than others. At out the water or any of
the fluid that you're drinking, you're also sweating out minerals,
you know, electrolytes, the sodium, the potassium, the other trace
minerals that you know you need to replenish. And there

(02:31:33):
are certain people who either aren't replenishing those electrolytes with enough,
you know, so as alt, your muscles spasm and they
go into cramping, and you can even get some soft
tissue injuries as a result of that because they dry
out a little bit or or you know, I mean
there are certain people who everybody's different, right, you know,

(02:31:56):
my absorption rate of certain mineral may be different than yours,
or you know, show Heyotani's may be different from Mike Trouts.
You know, it's it all varies, and so athletes, especially
people who are relying on their body as mightily in
his sport, especially as show Aotani, because he's not only

(02:32:18):
asking himself to be a proficient hitter but also an
ace pitcher. Oh, by the way, you know, it doesn't
surprise me that he's having some things, you know, some issue.
There'd be callouses or cramping. I mean, he's over using
his body. If you look across Major League Baseball. You
were just talking about it, Steve, like, how many twenty

(02:32:39):
win pitchers are there anymore? It's because so many of
these pitchers are being preserved. Meanwhile, show Aotani is an
everyday player, whether he's pitching or he's hitting.

Speaker 2 (02:32:50):
Remember how John I didn't bring this up with JP.
I maybe next week on a time. Remember he was
suggesting moving him to the bullpen. Yeah, And the more
I kept thinking about him, like how could that possibly work?
So if you're a DH, right and you're in the
lineup as a DH, which are also a guy that
could come out of the bullpen, you got to warm up. Yeah,

(02:33:15):
So you're in the bullpen warming up and all of
a sudden, now batting for the Angels designated hitter. It's like, dude,
you got to get back to the plate.

Speaker 4 (02:33:24):
They're gonna have to make another show.

Speaker 2 (02:33:26):
Hey, Connie, right, Hey, I forgot to ask him about
that today. I don't see how that works. I mean,
the thing about being a starting pitcher is he can
plan his schedule based around that one day every five
days that he's a starting pitcher. But if you're in
the bullpen, you're on call every day, and if they

(02:33:46):
need you to warm up and your spot's coming up
in the lineup, you're dhing. How does that work? It
doesn't work anyway. On the other side, any thoughts on
what's going to happen this week? It's trade deadline week
in Major League Baseball and just what does it mean
for the Hall of Fame game, the actual start of
players on the field competing in the NFL. We'll break

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Steve Harpinrich Ormberger Fox Sports Sunday, we are live from
the Tirak dot com studio. An extra thanks to everyone
else on the show today. As Rich was frantically trying
to figure out a way to get hooked up.

Speaker 8 (02:35:11):
You guys, it worked.

Speaker 4 (02:35:14):
I mean, if there's one thing that I know is
this team pulls for each other. Oh yeah, and it worked, guys.

Speaker 2 (02:35:22):
Yeah, there's Sam. I will always call it Twitter, always
always call it Twitter.

Speaker 4 (02:35:28):
It's guy.

Speaker 6 (02:35:29):
We could get Rich today, get him on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:35:31):
There's months and if.

Speaker 8 (02:35:35):
He's Daniel tweeting on X over here today.

Speaker 2 (02:35:39):
And then our brilliant producer Bunny who he is a
very busy guy. It's a little underrated. I look up
and a lot of times producers will be sitting bo
bounces around. He's going back and forth. He's doing a
variety of things, working on a variety of projects. But
bottom line is he is our Nathaniel Hackett.

Speaker 10 (02:35:58):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (02:35:59):
He's the guy to get it done.

Speaker 6 (02:36:00):
But he can hack it.

Speaker 4 (02:36:01):
Yeah yeah, not like Noell. Hang on, he's like Green
Bay Hacket, not Denver Hacket.

Speaker 2 (02:36:07):
Yeah exactly, or Jets hack it.

Speaker 4 (02:36:10):
Yeah. Well with soon to find out what that looks like.

Speaker 2 (02:36:13):
Yes, all right, So Major League Baseball trade deadline is
officially Tuesday, Yeah, August first, August first, so Tuesday, and
it seems like one on the We're on the West
coast obviously, so it's like, you know, we've had countdowns
like on shows, like you know, like this is the
absolute countdown of when a deal gets done. Uh so, Rich,

(02:36:35):
you do a morning show down in the San Diego area,
So that's gonna be a busy day for you.

Speaker 4 (02:36:41):
Oh, no question about it. I mean, you know, assuming
the deals go right up until the deadline, you know,
I mean Aj Prelller, general manager for the Padres, typically
a busy guy there. See what happens. Padres are at
least in certain and are MLB circles figuring to be buyers.

Speaker 2 (02:37:03):
We'll see yeah, well, right now five and a half
games out of the wild card, so they're going to
have to do something. And then, of course, coming Thursday,
our first preseason game, it's the Hall of Fame Game.
Hall of Fame Game. By the way, speaking of Hall
of Fame, you know I can't go through a show

(02:37:25):
without mentioning the Hall of Fame. Yeah, of course this year,
and they haven't announced the preliminary ballot. They have the
Seniors category, Contributors category. They're going through that process. They'll
be announcing the candidates out of that category in the
couple of weeks. And then we get to the other guys.
And one guy that's going to be first ballot eligible, well,

(02:37:47):
there's two guys. One is Julius Peppers. I don't think
there's any question that Julius Peppers will be a first
ballot Hall of Famer. You played against Julius Peppers.

Speaker 4 (02:37:57):
Did you not. Julius Peppers was a man.

Speaker 2 (02:38:00):
That guy is gigantic. I actually met him when he
came out of college because he played some basketball as
well at North Carolina Giant Head. Like, the guy's one
of those like it was an Ogden guys.

Speaker 4 (02:38:12):
It was like it was like being in on the
field with an extra terrestrial. It literally it looked like
he he put on a football player's costume when he
put on his UNI.

Speaker 2 (02:38:24):
I mean he is a legit six ' seven.

Speaker 4 (02:38:26):
He's a freak freak, freak of a freak, and I
mean that the best way possible.

Speaker 2 (02:38:30):
But the other first ballot guy, and I'm asking you,
do you believe he is worthy as a teammate of yours?
Antonio Gates, who, by the way, still holds the NFL
record for most touchdowns scored by a tight end. It's
not Tony Gonzalez, it's not Sharp, It's none of those guys.
Antonio Gates scored more touchdowns than any tight end in
NFL history.

Speaker 4 (02:38:52):
Again, I'll go back to a statement that you once
said that makes ultimately the most sense to me in
terms of these speculative and highly subjective halls of fame.
But I'll bite. If you can't write the history of
the game without this man's name, then he belongs in
the Hall of Fame. You cannot write the history of

(02:39:14):
the tight end position without mentioning Antonio Gates his name.
He should be in the Hall of.

Speaker 2 (02:39:19):
Fame, and his backstory is amazing because he did not
play one down of college football.

Speaker 4 (02:39:24):
No, he played. He played hoops in college.

Speaker 2 (02:39:27):
At Kent State. He was a basketball player. Never played
a single play of college football.

Speaker 4 (02:39:33):
That's right. I mean, that's still not a bad football
there as.

Speaker 2 (02:39:39):
A free wasn't drafted, just a free agent, and they said,
let's see if this guy can actually play.

Speaker 4 (02:39:45):
Let's give it a shot.

Speaker 2 (02:39:46):
Let's give it a shot. And it's all worked out.

Speaker 4 (02:39:48):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:39:48):
Well, Richie, when are you coming back?

Speaker 4 (02:39:50):
I will be back in town wednesday.

Speaker 2 (02:39:53):
All right, we will talk then. Lots to get done.
Keep it right here. This is Fox Sports Radio.