Steve Hartman and Jason Martin talk Broncos, Sixers, and more!

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add to that list the great Jason Martin. Jmart how
are you today.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I'm doing well, Steve Man. I actually tell some people
I have never crossed paths with you in my entire
time at Fox Sports Radio. Even back when I was
interning in Nashville, I listened to you like I've listened
to you for a very very long time. So I've
been excited. I had to work with Arney Spanier last night,
so now it's you. So this is quite the weekend
in terms of the og Fox Sports Radio crew.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, you're going old school right now. I can tell
you span your stories all day long and He's always
listening and texted me during the show. So you know,
right at the start here at J Martin, and you're
okay if I call you J mart Right, Yeah, absolutely,
I appreciate that. So you're a Nashville guy, right, And
I want to ask a few questions. I feel like

(01:21):
there's a connection here and let me explain. So my
youngest is my daughter. She is finishing up her undergrad
work at Loyola Merrymount University out here in SoCal and
she intends on going to business grad school. She's a
dean's list person and everything else. Her number one choice
is Vanderbilt and she's actually had two trips to Nashville.

(01:45):
I've never been to Nashville. Now, I've been to Knoxville.
I was a member of the UCLA broadcast team back
in nineteen ninety six Maydon Manning's junior year. They had
just expanded Niland Stadium to over one hundred thousand and
I was there for him. Is a demolition of my
UCLA football team that's going way back. But I've never
been to Nashville. So I'm gonna ask you right out

(02:07):
of the top before we dig into some sports here.
Jmart Is this a good place for my daughter? Who
is I mean, you know, fathers loved to brag, but
sure my daughter is sort of exceptional and sure respect
Would this be a good situation for her if she chooses,
and believe me, she wants to get to Nashville and Vanderbilt.

(02:30):
Is this a good choice for her?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Well? Look, it's a great city, it really is. You
can find yourself into some trouble in this city too.
It's definitely a party city. But Vanderbilt's outstanding school. My
wife's side of the family, several Vanderbilt grads, a couple
of Vanderbilt professors. I don't have much bad to say
about the university as a whole. It's a this is
an it city at this It's definitely a destination place.

(02:54):
It's a very cool place to live, although at my age,
in my mid forties now, I don't usually go into
the cool sectors in town. Yes, I don't really need
that anymore. But yeah, it's it's a great place in
great universe. She would be very happy here, I would think.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
All right, So and then if I say, hey, stop,
I see j Martin. You know that's cool?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Right?

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Absolutely? Anytime I got a two year old daughter. She
needs babysitting. I can always maybe you can. Maybe your
daughter can implant some of that Dean's List stuff on
my two year old.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
She can do that. You know, you mentioned babysitting. So
I like to name drop occasionally because I have been
around a long time for a few people along the way.
So the other night I was having dinner with Tyler
Higbee of the Rams for the Rams.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Hey that's my alma mater. Man then went to Western Kentucky,
my brother to Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm telling you, it's a small world. J Mart And
then my longtime friend, my dear friend, the great Hall
of Famer Eric Dickerson. Eric and I did television together
for several years in Los Angeles, and he's been a
really dear friend for a long time. And so I
was sitting down with Tyler Higbee and his fiance, their daughter,
my daughter, my daughter babysits. They're eight month old. So

(04:12):
and he's a great guy. He's sort of quiet guy, right,
And you know, as we sit here get ready for
the NFL season, you're reading all the odds over under
on wins and everything else. And I'm looking at this
Rams team and I'm like, let me get this straight.
This team is two years removed from winning the Super Bowl.

(04:33):
Tyler Higbee absolutely tells me that Matthew Stafford is one
hundred percent healthy, Aaron Donald is one hundred percent healthy,
and yet the over under on wins for the Rams
is six and a half. So I'm sitting across from
him and I'm like, Tyler, let me, let me give
this right. So if I bet the over on six

(04:56):
and a half, that's a seven and ten season. You
guys can't go at least seven to ten this year,
And he goes take it to the bank. Now I
wonder about things like that. I mean, obviously he's excited
about his own team, but I wonder the fortunes of
the NFL so a rise and fall from year to year.

(05:18):
I guess this is part of the allure of the
NFL for so many people, especially gambling. So for so
many years I kept saying over and over and over
again that gambling is the reason the NFL is where
it is right now, they were in all denial, but now,
of course, so they're billion dollar deals with multiple gambling establishments.
That's proven that they understand how valuable it is to them,

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but just quick thought, there, what do you think I should?
I look at Tyler Higbee straight in the face. He
assures me the Rams should be okay this year and
run to the bank because I still have a lot
of college to pay for, especially if my daughter goes
to grad school at Vanderbilt, and I know it's going
to cost me an arm and a leg. So what
do you think?

Speaker 3 (05:56):
I don't know what to make of the Rams, other
than the fact that they are lucky to play in
a division that I don't really believe much in either
outside of San Francisco. I feel like Seattle. I just
don't think the luck's going to be quite as much
on their side this coming year as it was last year.
I could be wrong. I mean, what they did last
year was was definitely remarkable, but Arizona's maybe the worst

(06:17):
team in the league. They're certainly one of the worst teams,
and they're rudderless in a lot of respects. The Rams
problem to me is okay, So Tyler hi could be
considered across from you, Steve, and he can say, you know,
Matthew Staffords one hundred percent, okay, great, how long is
he going to be one hundred percent. I think that's
the question I have is what do they have? And

(06:37):
you talk about two years removed, do you realize what
a failure that experiment would seem like if they had
not had that fourth quarter performance against the Bengals and
not won the Super Bowl. After what they gave up
to bring in Matthew Stafford, to bring in von Miller,
to bring in all those guys, the fact they cashed
it in means that I think most Rams fans will
accept that because they got a Super Bowl out of

(06:59):
it first. But I think that there's always a price
to be paid when you make big time strides and
big time moves like that. And the Rams bet at
all and luckily for them it worked for him. Had
it not worked, the storylines about the Rams last year
would have been an utter disaster.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well here's the problem for the Rams. So you're right,
I mean, you want all in. I really want to
take this next level. But they want all in. Remember
they also picked up Von Miller, They had Odell Beckham,
you know, you know, they even signed Eric Weddle who
had been sitting on his you know, couch the for
the Super Bowl. Running played well. But I mean they

(07:39):
didn't actually put it this way. The Rams are no
bigger in LA now than they were prior to winning
the Super Bowl. It's it's hard to describe coming from
someone like myself who grew up in Los Angeles. Obviously
I spent a lot of time in San Diego, but
this is my home, LA. You know, I've been here,
I was born here. Whole life's here and to UCLA.

(08:01):
Everything's use in LA. And we have two sports radio
stations in the Los Angeles market. One of them is
the Dodger station and the other is the Lakers station.
They don't talk football, despite the fact that they have
two NFL teams in LA. Chargers were never wanted in LA.

(08:22):
I mean, this was just it is what it is.
But for the Rams, you would think they had history here.
And yet there's no more buzz about the Rams now
than there was prior to them winning the Super Bowl,
and certainly losing doesn't help. I mean, if they follow
a five and twelve season with another five and twelve season,

(08:45):
that Super Bowl will be distant history. Let me let
me ask you this, and by the way, a little background.
So the longtime Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher. He and
I went to high school together, same high school, same year,
So did you know him? I did know him. I've
known Jeff since we were I don't know, fifteen years old,

(09:07):
so yeah, we have a long history there. But let
me ask you this. If you were to talk to
fans of the Tennessee Titans and say, all right, here's
the deal. You will win a super Bowl and then
for the next ten years you will miss the playoffs.
Would you sign up for that?

Speaker 4 (09:26):
What?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Would they say?

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Absolutely? Yes, yes. I've actually asked that hypothetical before. I've
asked it on Fox. I've asked it in Nashville. I
think because of the heartbreak for the Titans, specifically the
way they lost to the Rams, the Kurt Warner team
and the Kevin Dison play where he was a yard
short of getting into the end zone, I think that
they are so championship hungry in this city that they

(09:50):
would give up virtually anything just to have a super
Bowl and to have the celebration in Nashville and all
these people that have been season ticket holders since the
team entered the state of Tennessee. I think absolutely you
would trade a super Bowl for ten playoff years no
question about it.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
I used to say this in San Diego as well, Right,
I mean there's another show it's never won anything, and
everyone's like, where do I sign up just to have
that one moment in the sun? All right? Coming up
on the other side, Jason Martin here today, we got
a lot of NFL We're going to get to as
we drag ourselves through this endless preseason, something that's going
to have to be eliminated at some point. But we

(10:28):
got to talk about the huge shakeup in the college
football world. You're there in the prime area of college football,
and I'm out here where it's pretty much been a race.
We'll explain what happens next. This is Fox Sports Sunday.

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Speaker 2 (11:55):
Steve Harbin, Jason Martin. Here Fox Sports Sunday. We are
live from the time IRAQ dot Com Studios. The ever
changing landscape of college sports has gotten an overdrive with
the pending extinction of the Pac twelve Conference. Jmart I'm

(12:20):
always curious about this. College football is my number one
passion in sports.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
That's interesting considering where you live, because most people wouldn't
agree with that. But that's that's that's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, let me let me explain. So my father went
to USC so I was raised a Trojan, I became
a Bruin. I started to literally listen to sports constantly
at the age of nine, which, dating myself as I
do often, was the year that USC welcomed OJ Simpson

(12:55):
into the fold. So this nineteen sixty seven, and I
have a Heisman vote. You know, I followed the Heisman
all these years. I love college football, and so I
was as a kid. I was raised in an era
where ABC had the game of the week, right, and
you saw the same teams all the time, and I

(13:16):
would look at the SEC with the Alabamas and the Auburns.
Maybe at Tennessee. I remember seeing Condridge Holloway, you know,
playing and being excited about some of the new faces
in the SEC. But you know, I looked at the
Big Ten as obviously our rival because of the Rose
Bowl affiliation with the West Coast schools, and there was
a certain order to college football, you know, the great

(13:39):
Nebraska Oklahoma rivalry of the old Big Eight conference. You know,
Penn State was was an independent with Pitt you know,
on the East Coast. All this kind of stuff. Those
days obviously are long gone. But I want to get
your perspective as someone that is there entrenched in the South,
where college football is literally life to people at least

(14:01):
that's what I'm told. Yeah, you're right, and their perspective
and your perspective on what has happened with the demolition
of the PAC twelve conference.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
It feels like to me from my own advantage point
that I think at USC and UCLA it was like
a Jinga tower pack for the PAC twelve and when
you took USC specifically, the tower was still standing. But
literally there was there's a spot in a Jinga game
where no matter where you pull from, it can't hold.

(14:36):
There's no it doesn't matter wherever you pull that wooden
block from that tower is coming down. So whatever move
happened to the PAC twelve, once USC and UCLA were
out of the door, you knew the PAC twelve wasn't
gonna survive. And I think that's kind of what happened.
It's like they took the heart and soul of that
conference because we know you know this full well, Steve,

(14:59):
that the brand of that conference, the real money machine
of that conference is USC. In terms of a national
relevant deal. I understand Phil Knight in Oregon and certainly
the research institutions in the Olympic Sports, but in terms
of like a nationally recognized this is important to sports fans.
It's USC because of USC college football, So looking at

(15:22):
it from from my perspective, I would never have seen
this coming. But I also just feel like at some
point the PAC twelve made a mistake and just sort
of arrogantly assume, well, we're the Pac twelve, We're always
going to be here, and got caught flat footed and
beaten by the Big twelve. Of the two A few
years ago, I would have suggested, maybe, especially with Oklahoma

(15:44):
and Texas moving, that it would be the PAC twelve
left standing, not the Big twelve. But the Big twelve
appears to be and appeared to be forward thinking, not
arrogant enough to just know they were going to survive,
and they made the right moves while the twelve set
back and watch their conference be Pilford and then destroyed.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Well, Jami, you used the operative word arrogance is what
led to the demise of the back twelve. All right,
a little d tour here, j mart I wasn't sure,
but it's official. Joinny US right now. Our MLB insider,
he of course, is the great John Paul Morosi and JP.
Before we even get to all the baseball talk, you

(16:24):
as a Michigan die Hard. What do you make of
all this, this idea, by the way I put it
out there, that the Big Ten should be renamed Big
Ten and friends, I mean.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
We're gonna be up.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
We're gonna be up to eighteen schools here in a
couple of years. And it doesn't seem to be any
and insight. But what is your perspective as a Big
Ten loyalist to the changing landscape of college sports?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Well, good morning, good afternoon. It is a huge story,
and certainly as we anticipate the beginning of football season
here in the Midwest, it feels more differently than ever
before about the identity of this conference in what it
means a couple things. Number One, it's making it really
challenging for me to try to teach math to my

(17:09):
kids through the Big Ten, because they're asking me a
lot of questions about how ten is eighteen and ten
is sixteen and ten is fourteen, and it's really complicated
at the moment. But what I would say is, I
hope there is a time where we can have some
semblance of an East West division within the Big Ten,

(17:31):
to where depending on how many of the West Coast
oriented programs eventually join to where you get at least
some notion of an East Meast West Conference championship game
at least or to where, honestly, think about this, it's
entirely possible that if you keep adding teams that are

(17:53):
spanning the country, that you could have an East West
Big Ten championship game at the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Why not.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I mean, it's been in Indianapolis for a long time,
but the geographic center of the conference is moving out.
It's somewhere in Nebraska probably now.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
So it.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Makes that possible, and so any way that we could
bring in at least some of the older threads of
what the Rose bul used to be. I fully realized
that the Rose Bowl as we knew it is no more.
That's part of the new shape of the CFB and
the new shape of the conferences. I also think that
there's a certain bit of wisdom, and I know different

(18:31):
people have mentioned this. It might be too complicated to
do it this way, but I would sure love for
there to be a situation in which the play of
the other sports that aren't football becomes a little bit
more regional in nature, or at least whether it's travel
partners or even if there are conferences that make sense

(18:56):
outside of the football construct. I mean there's for a
long time in our in our country, there have existed
conferences that were not multi sport conferences. As you guys
know a hockey person here in the Midwest, and for
a long time we had the cch A and the
w c h A. There's always there's Hockey East still

(19:17):
exists out east that includes a school like Boston College,
which is in the ACC. So that there there are
there are single sport conferences. Why why would we not
move to a time where, for example, in collegiate soccer,
that that USC and u c l A would play
Stanford and Cal and UDUB in Oregon and what you
used to look like the Pac twelve. Why can't that

(19:40):
be the construct for soccer and just let football be football?
Because football is what we're really having now with with
this consortium of the power, the the truly elite conferences,
is we're effectively seeing a fifth major professional sport in
our country. It's it's it's the NFL and BA, MLB,

(20:01):
NHL and then the elite conferences in college football, it's
like the fifth sport. And I think there is in
no way shape or form. Will that division look or
feel anything like the MAC which is obviously here in
the state of Michigan too. There is zero in common
with a Michigan UCLA Conference game in October and an

(20:24):
Eastern Michigan versus Central Michigan game like that is not
even the same sport. And I think that we need
to acknowledge that and figure out something. Let's get a
lot of really smart people in there, Let's get some
TV folks, Let's get some collegiate sports experts, wildly speaking,
and devise a system that makes sense. Because even though

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and I'm a parent, even though you look at how
much we've all moved into online learning, I'm just not
sure if it's going to make a ton of sense
for an Olympic sport of the University of Oregon to
fly all the way across the country on a Wednesday
in January to play at Rutgers, and how much class
time has missed. I realize it's shining a light on

(21:07):
just the challenge of being a true student athlete, but
at some point in time that's just not going to
make much sense academically or media rights wise, or expense wise.
We just think about how much money is involved in
flying across the country multiple times a month for a
non revenue producing sport.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
So John, that I mean, that was very well laid out.
I could ask to follow up, but I imagine you
would agree with this. I just feel like, look, if
you don't do what you're suggesting to some degree and
split college football off and make it an independent entity,
there are going to be a lot of casualties in
a lot of these other sports because universities are not
going to see their P and L sheet make sense,
and you're going to see some of these sports that

(21:46):
aren't revenue generators be sacrificed in order to make the
football side of it work. So I completely agree with
what you're saying there. I have to ask you because
I'm a Braves fan and you well know this through
the years. This is a fun time to be me,
and it's a fun time to look at how the
Braves have been built over the last few years. I mean,

(22:08):
think we still miss Freddy John, but man Matt Olsen's
making that a whole lot easier. We still miss dansby
a little bit, but Arci is making that a whole
lot easier. There's a lot of things going right in Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
They really are, Jason. It's one of the most entertaining
teams that I can remember watching in a long time.
You've got multiple MVP candidates on the offensive side of
the ball there with Akunya Olsen. It seems like it's
a bit under the radar, But this is a matter
of simple mathematics. I mean, you got a chest a
sixty home runs, and certainly at this time last year

(22:44):
we were understandably talking a whole bunch about Aaron Judge
and we should and obviously he got the sixty two.
But if you look at the pace that Olson is
on now, it's not that different from what Aaron was
on a year ago. And it's by the way, he
grew up in the area as a Braves fan. So
it's just it's an extraordinary story. And the thing too, Jason,

(23:07):
I love about about the Braves is, you know, if
you're a fan of the Braves, if you're a parent
who wants to to to put down the money to
travel from Mississippi or Alabama or South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky,
drive down and watch your favorite team play and make
the journey. The good news is that if your favorite

(23:30):
player is Acuna, if your favorite player is Olsen or
Riley or Murphy or Rcia or Harris, whoever it might be,
there's a really strong chance they're going to play. In
other words, they don't take days off. This is a
team where their core guys play every single day. That
was that was one of the comments I heard. You know,
Nicky Lopez. Love Nicky's game. He's a really nice, complimentary

(23:54):
utility player you can move around the diamond for you
have a really good at bat. I think he's got
a chance to make a make an impact on this
team down the stretch. But they make a moving for
him at the deadline and you're asking yourself, Okay, when's
he gonna play? Because our CIA does not take a
day off. They're a team that just does not have
guys that take days off. And I think it just

(24:14):
speaks so well to the way they've built their team.
All these takes no days off. He's one of the
best off as the second basement in the game too.
So the pitching, I do wonder a little bit about
how that will hold up over a long October journey.
But we're at the point now, Jason where If the
NLCS is not Atlanta versus La, it's going to be

(24:35):
a pretty tremendous upset.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Speaking of the Dodgers, seven straight wins, they're rolling right now.
Freddie Freeman has just had an unbelievable year. I guess
he got hit yesterday but with a pitch, But he
seems to be okay. But this is not the Dodger
team we've seen in recent years. When you talk about
where the Braves are right now, like they're a runaway favorite,
like there you know this run Well, that's where the

(24:58):
Dodgers have been for several years, and yet they've only
won one World Series along that way, and you know
a lot of people still want to put an asterisk
on that series of where they never left the state
of Texas. And then looming is the penning edition of
one show Hey Otani, who, by the way, is going

(25:18):
to sit out as next start. He's got arm fatigue,
which doesn't surprise me considering the Angels are completely fitting
out of the playoff chase. But can you see any
way that all the years the Dodgers were runaway favorites
to get to the World Series and maybe fell short,
that maybe they could actually sneak up with this team
and surprise a team like the Braves in the postseason.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
I think they could. I mean, first of all, they've
got two of the best six or seven players in
the game in Mookie and Freddie. And when when you've
got that level of accountable and unselfish superstars, you're really
in business. And we talked Steve last weekend about San
Diego to watch the Dodgers play there and Dave Roberts

(26:03):
sitting in his office. He just made a great statement
about how fortunate the Dodgers are to have unselfish superstars
and what Freddie and MOOKI do for this team is transformative.
Mookie plays second base because first of all, he enjoys
the athletic challenge of doing it, but also because when

(26:25):
he plays second against the right handed pitcher, Dave Roberts
can have a fully left handed outfit, which makes the
team better. So it's not just Mookie's production, but it's
what his athleticism and versatility allows Dave Roberts to do
with the rest of the lineup. That is a value
component that is very real but will never be captured

(26:46):
by a statistic. And oh, by the way, when your
superstar players raise their hand and say, yeah, I'll play
every day, and in Mookie's case, I'll play a different
position to make our team better. If your player eight, nine, ten,
eleven or twelve on the team and your superstar does that,
how inspiring is that for you? What standard does that

(27:06):
set for you? And that's how you know you're really
in business. And they expect to get Walker Bueller back
before the end of the season. That's going to be
a huge lift for them. So it's a team that
I think bullpen wise, it's a little bit of a
different cast than they've had in the past. But Evan
Phillips has had a tremendous season. Bruce tar Gretaol has
been very good as well, so I think they've got

(27:28):
plenty of pitching there. It's a different recipe, and I
think the guy that you're really gonna have to rely
on down the stretch at some point to start a
huge game for them. When there's seasons online, it's going
to be Julio Rias because he has not really had
the year that we expected him to have, but it's
still in there, and I think if he's able to
combine with Kershaw and a healthy Buehler, that Dodger team

(27:52):
is going to be a very tough one to try
to knock out of the playoffs. Before all said and.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Done, Cubs are playing pretty well. Seven and three in
the last ten. They're sixty one to fifty six, just
a few games out of the lead in the Central
How for real are they right now?

Speaker 4 (28:07):
I think they are for real And I love a
couple of things about their team. Number One, as we
talked about Dansby Swanson, come and go from the Braves,
and he's been playing every day with the Cubs. It's
just like you played every day with the Braves. He
brought that same ethic over to the Cubs. But I
think more importantly, they've had an MVP level of performance
from Cody Bellinger, and again talk about versatility. He can

(28:28):
play center, he can play first. He's swinging the bat
again like he was during his MVP year several years ago,
and setting himself up for a really nice payday this offseason.
I think that that, to me is a big question,
is how as a as a pure position player, he's
he's going to be in a market unto himself this offseason,

(28:50):
Because of course, show A is showy and so unique,
but Bellinger might be the most sought after one way
pure position player this off season. So I think Bellinger's
arrival has made a huge impact. Swanson has as well
the emergence of Justin Steele as a really solid starting pitcher.
Kyle Hendricks I think is really good as well. So

(29:12):
they've got, I believe, a really balanced club in what
the winnable division now. Milwaukee has a long history of
being a strong finishing team under Craig Council. I would
expect that they'll still be a very tough team to
contend with down the stretch, but the Cubs can also
compete for this NL wildcard and the NL Wildcard. We

(29:33):
expected the Mets to be a playoff team, they're clearly
not going to be one. We thought the Podres would
be one of the better teams the National League. Clearly
they're not, and so it's opened up a lot of
space in the wildcard race, so not only in the division,
but in the wildcard too. Jason, I think there's definitely
a very strong path for David Ross and the Cubbies
to make their way to October JP.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
It is always a pleasure, always an honor to have
the Great John Palm Morosion have a wonderful week. We'll
check in with you next week.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Sounds great, guys looking forward to it. Yeah, we'll keep
combining a little uh little college sports talk as needed,
with a little MLB as well. So it is a
it is a great time. You and my friends always
love this.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Thank you so much, the Great John Paul Morosi joining
is there? All right, let's find out what is trending
right now? I better late than ever, as Monsei has
been standing by waiting, waiting patiently, patiently, patiently. How are you?

Speaker 6 (30:25):
I am hanging out?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
How are you Sunday going? Well?

Speaker 7 (30:27):
Oh yeah, I want you to know that I ended
up going to Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Oh now, Jason, you got to hear this. So she
was asking last week, everybody, can I throw the number
that you were throwing around on the ticket cost? How
about it this way? Is the four digit numbers? All right?

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (30:45):
And She's like should I do it? And I'm thinking
to myself, well, I mean, how much do you love
Taylor Swift? And You're like, three hours, I'm gonna sing
every word with her, like every single doesn't matter what
songs she sings. I know the worst every song. I
so well then yeah, I mean it's like a once
in a lifetime She went.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Yes. Everybody was very supportive, Jason. Everybody was like, do it,
do it.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
God, it's not their money, it's not their money, right,
was like, so your friends because you have they have
friends and everybody else.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, So how was it?

Speaker 6 (31:16):
Was honestly worth every every dollar? It was worth it all.
I would have gone again if it would.

Speaker 7 (31:21):
Have just been half the price, I would have gone
on Wednesday. No, it was so good, no regrets, no regrets. Perfect, Yes,
loved it, loved it.

Speaker 6 (31:29):
We have one baseball game going on right now, Fellas.
The Red Sox, who are three games.

Speaker 7 (31:33):
Out of the final wildcard spot in the AL, have
extended their lead at home over the Tigers at six
to two, and they're about to start the six inning.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
You mentioned it that the Angel said that show Heyo.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
Tani will skip his next scheduled pitching start, which was
supposed to be Wednesday at Texas.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Yes, he has some arm.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
Fatigue, but the team reiterated he's not injured and that
he's going to come back to the rotation during their
home series against the Reds which begins on August twenty First,
we got.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
One NFL preseason I know it's preseason, I get it.

Speaker 7 (32:02):
But Darren Carr's opening series was not too shabby.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
This is the kind of score you're like, you know
it's the preseason when you look at this score.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yes, I understand that.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
But he did hit a touchdown, get a touchdown in
his opening drive.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
He was six of eight seventy yards.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
He found Keith Kirkwood in the end zone, then they
put in Jamis Winston, and then he found at Perry
in the end zone a twenty nine yard pass and
that is why the score is fourteen to zero against
the Kansas City Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes already out of the game.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
He was.

Speaker 7 (32:32):
He just completed two of two passes for fifteen yards.
But yes, it is preseason. We have the last preseason
game of Week one later today, four pm Eastern time,
San Francisco, forty nine.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
Ers against the last Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
That to you, guys, all right, MONSI thank you very
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(33:04):
you go into a big Braves fan. How does it
sit with you seeing Freddie Freeman continue to add to
his Hall of Fame resume as a Los Angeles Dodger.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
It stinks. It's still difficult, Like I said, I mean,
Matt Olson's making it easier just because of, you know,
being a guy that loved the team. Now he's playing
for our guys, and he's playing so well, even though
the start of the season was a bit of a
slump for him. But Freddie's just one of those like
he was probably the most known, most important Brave since Chipper,
certainly since that era. So to see him in another uniform,

(33:40):
that's tough. It really is difficult. And at the same time,
I can't stand the Dodgers. But every time I see
that Freddy's done something good, a little part of me
is happy, Like there's there's just some guys you root for,
and I root for him. Even though that situation got
very wonky and there was a lot of things said
and all that. Now that it's just settled and it's

(34:01):
not like they were going to pull back and just Okay, Freddie,
we're not going to actually make this deal. We're gonna
we're gonna undo this. That's not how it works. So
now I just wish him well. I imagine he goes
into the Hall of Fame wearing a Braves uniform or
Braves lid, and I'm cool with that, Like, this is
just kind of how it ends up going. He got
he left Atlanta, but he didn't leave without leaving the

(34:23):
team a championship, and I think that was very important.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
So it's got to ease the pain though, when he's
replaced by Matt Olsen.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, for sure. Forty two home runs, one hundred and
five rbi. I mean, Akunya was on was having an
insane year that was being sort of not covered enough
because of what shohe Otani is doing. And now Matt
Olsen's right next to him, like, all right, we got
multiple MVP candidates in the National League on the same team,
And yes, it does soften the blow quite a bit

(34:53):
when Olsen's playing like this.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
All right, coming up on the other side, we get
back to the NFL, and where are we in terms
of any significance with preseason football, and what is the
most viable option that actually would benefit NFL teams instead
of subjecting them to the possibility of injuries that could
cripple their season. We'll break it down. This is Fox

(35:16):
Sports Sunday, Steve Harvin, Jason Martin, Fox Sports Sunday. We
are live from the Tireac dot Com studios. All right, Jaymi,
I'm gonna give you a headline here. Eagles linebacker Sean
Bradley suffers season ending achilles injury that was in their

(35:37):
preseason opener against the Baltimore Ravens. Gone sy, I mean,
this is this is the insanity of preseason football. You
don't have preseason games in high school, you don't have
preseason games in college. The games you play count. The

(36:02):
idea of preseason football originally was is that you had
to get players in shape for a season because they
didn't make a whole lot of money and they had
offseason jobs. So I get it. I mean back in
the day, this is not the case anymore. Twenty twenty,
with the COVID shutdown, there was no preseason. There was
no training camp. Seasons started on time, and it looked okay,

(36:23):
maybe a little rough for a couple of weeks, but
once they got into it, it looked normal. I mean,
this is insane. I mean, it just baffles me when
we have to sit here for a couple of weeks
because we're chopping at the bit to get the season started,
to have to sit through this gibberish known as preseason
NFL football.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, I mean, I understand there needs to be a
ramp up period so that guys can be physically prepared
for what they're going to see during the season. And
certainly there are five to seven jobs, give or take,
that are on the line and you're trying to figure
out your depth. But increasingly it does feel like the
cons just outweigh the pros. And you mentioned that headline.

(37:06):
I got one Packers tight end Tyler Davis tears Aco
and preseason opener. He's done for the year.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
And we're not done with this because we still got
a couple of more weeks of preseason. The only thing,
the first and the only thing I usually say about
the preseason when what's relevant about it? What do you
pay attention to? Well, I just pay attention to the
fact that I'm praying everybody is healthy because I want
the best regular season and playoffs in the NFL that
we can get. And this is a sport that look, man,
the injury rate in the NFL is one hundred percent.

(37:32):
Like the more snaps you take, the more chances you take.
Even Mahomes playing a quarter and I saw his comments saying,
you know, he would like to play more. He likes
to take a couple of hits just so he can
know that the progress he's making when guys are not
allowed to hit him actually does make sense, and they
know that they're ready for the season. But at the
same time, good gracious, if he goes down, you're you're done. Like,

(37:55):
if he goes down, you're not gonna win another super Bowl,
You're not gonna have the kind of season, the amount
of money that you're paying these guys, and then you
throw them out in these scenarios. I argue with Arnie
last night. Arnie was angry that teams weren't trying to
win the games at the end in preseason. I was
just saying, well, that's got to because you're laying money
on them, like there's no other way, because I look,

(38:17):
if you go for the win and somebody gets hurt,
you are justifiably going to be mauled for that the
next day in the press. If you don't go for
the win, who cares. I've gone to spring games where
guys where it's just like third quarter, Hey, you know what,
we've seen enough, we're done. Like they don't even finish
the game. The wins and losses don't count. It's like

(38:38):
going to minor league baseball games and understanding and caring
about the win loss record of those teams. The purpose
of the thing is not the final score, Steve, among
many other things, but preseason football is baffling. You're right, well, I.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Would say this to my buddy Arnie. If you really
want to make money on preseason, just play the money
line on the Ravens, right. I mean they want twenty
four consecutive preseason games, which is really inexplicable. I mean,
I don't think the Ravens are winning by design, you know,
like they're going in like we've got to win this game.
It's just that fate has handed him for twenty four

(39:13):
consecutive preseason wins, including a one point So if he's
hell bent on that. Like I think you said it
perfectly here, j Mart. The cons way outweigh any pros.
They come out of the preseason football, and when we
talk about roster spots, every team may have four or five,
you know, lower level spots available. And to be honest

(39:35):
with you, the determination on who makes the team and
who doesn't make the team is usually made on the
practice field. It's not made based on a preseason game performance.
It's just not I've seen time and time again. Oh
look at that unbelievable punt return. This guy's gonna make
and I think he gets cut the next week. It's
already been predetermined. So it's just very, very frustrating. I

(39:59):
guess the one thing that came out though this first
week that was most intriguing to me about the preseason
was that Broncos game and the fact that.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
You see, that's my team, Steve so tread well, hold.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
On, so you're a Denver Broncos fan.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yes, my whole life.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Okay, now, okay, we only have a few minutes before
the top of the ear. I'm going to get to this.
On the other side, quickly, explain to me why why
would you be a Denver Broncos fan.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Chuse, when I was a kid, it was time to
pick a team, and John Elway was a quarterback, and
I loved the color scheme, and I just started watching
the games and became a Broncos fan. And then for
Christmas one year, I got like a Broncos themed kids
deal and it was just on like neck bom from there, like,
I just absolutely loved the Broncos and always have. But

(40:46):
it started with Elway.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I am going to on the other side, give you
a little background on your favorite player. I'm also going
to explain to you why Sean Payton did what he
did in calling out his predeces. Sir Nathaniel Hockett, All right,
I'm gonna explain all of this to you. Coming up,
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The way hire buying should be Do you travel a lot? Jmarin?
Are you on the road a lot or no?

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Not particularly. There was a time in my life when
I did a lot of that. But when you got
a two year old, you do what she needs you
to do, and then you hope that you have time
left over.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Let me share a quick story. So this is your
first child, Yes, yes, so I had. I have three.
My boys were born nineteen and a half months apart,
so it was almost like twins. It felt like it
at the time that my daughter was born a couple
years later. So when my second son was born nineteen

(42:39):
ninety nine, the Mets were in San Diego to play
the podres and Oral her Seizer was still pitching for
the Mets. I remember Piazza was catching him. I'm like,
how does this guy get anybody out? He goes, I
have no clue like he has. He literally has nothing.
Like he would literally say to hitters, how did you
not hit that? You know type of thing. But it was,

(43:00):
you know, between the years, phenomenal, right, he knew how
to get guys out even if he had nothing left.
But I remember him saying something to me because I
was he and our same agent. But his kids are
a little older, and it resonated with me forever. He
said this, when you have kids, the days are long,
but the years are short. And I'm telling you, Jane Mark,

(43:21):
you look at that little girl right, you know, And
I swear to god, my daughter's twenty two now, it's
in my mind she's still too. Like I mean, it's
like it is. It is unreal when you have kids,
how time goes into warp drive because as you know
as a parent, there's no there's no letup. He is
opening bell, closing bell. It's like start another day, seven

(43:43):
days a week. If you're that kind of parent, I'm
sure you are so good luckily your daughter, Well.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Thank you for that. But yeah, that's definitely curtailed the
traveling aspect aspect my life.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
It curtails a lot of things. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Although I went to the seven day wark week. When
I started piling up kids, I'm like, damn, I'm going
to have to work a lot more than I am.
And so I did that for about twenty five years.
You mentioned the fact you are a big time Denver
Broncos fan. Yes, a couple of quick stories. So John
Elway went to Granada Hills High School and I actually

(44:18):
saw him for the first time in a All Star
game after his high school days were over, and it
was quickly apparent to me that this is the most
physically gifted person I've ever seen play the quarterback position.
I mean his arm was unreal even in high school
before he added up to Stanford. But I used to

(44:39):
say this until they won those two Super Bowls. At
the end, I didn't think he was a Hall of
Famer because he didn't check. Because I looked at the
two ways with Elway, and I said, if you're going
to be a Hall of Fame quarterback, you have to
check one of two boxes. Either statistically you were a
super dominant quarterback, or you win multi well championships. He

(45:01):
didn't check either box. His numbers were not Marino. They
weren't even close in terms of passing efficiency or really
anything else. But when he won those championships, it was
a game changer, no question about that. I couldn't have
been more happy. Because here's the thing about a John Elway.

(45:22):
He and I've met John, good fortune to meet him
several times over the years. He's a team guy, like
he was a he was a teammate favorite. Reno wasn't.
Marino was one of those guys that sort of separated
himself from the pack that was not John Elway. So
his his championships were very welcome as far as the

(45:45):
current Broncos are concerned. Yeah, so, Sean, I want to
get your thought, obviously on this whole Sean Payton things.
But my thought because again I've I've had a chance
to talk to Sean Payne. He's a very smart guy.
I don't believe for a second it was just by
some sheer, you know, slip of the tongue, or he

(46:05):
reverted back to his commentator days at Fox, or I
think he said he had won too many lattes or whatever.
There's none of that happened by I just felt like
he walked into that locker room and it had the
feel of five and twelve, and he wanted to make
it clear to everyone in that locker room the only
reason you guys are five and twelve is the complete

(46:28):
incompetence of the coaching staff. They screwed up big time
here and he could have done that privately, but why
would he do it publicly? And I think he felt
starting with his quarterback, they needed a jolt because now
you know it, they're a marked team now. I mean

(46:50):
when your coach comes out and does the unthinkable, which
is publicly, you know, downgrade the job of his predecessor,
you got a target on your back. So what did
you make of though Russell Wilson, I would venture a guess.

(47:10):
Never has he played four offensive series in his first
preseason game, but he did for Sean Payton. What did
you make of that?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Well? I think Sean Payton is trying to set a
tone that what happened last year is not going to
happen this year. And I think there's a lot behind that.
To the Hackett comments. First, I felt like underneath all
of that was a message to Russell Wilson specifically, and
it wasn't necessarily I know you're still an MVP level

(47:43):
player or something like that. I think it was I'm
going to throw this dude under the bus, and I'm
going to make sure that as much of the stink
on you right now as I can get off, I'm
gonna get off. But now you'd better shape up this year.
I guarantee you, so I can do this ain next
offseason and we won't have Nathaniel Hackett to talk about.

(48:05):
I felt like this whole thing was a message to Russ.
I'm trying to give you a clean slate to save
your legacy, because I do still think there's something left. Now,
let's get to work, let's keep your guys out of
the facility. And I think to some degree that's why
he played in the preseason, and to some degree that's
why Russ did play in the preseason. Was it wasn't

(48:25):
just from Sean Payton's side, but it was Russell Wilson
potentially saying to Sean Payton, you know what, I'm not
even gonna argue with this. I'm gonna humble myself enough.
I know who you are, I respect you. It just
feels like there's a little bit of mind games being
played on both sides, where Russ is trying to fall
in line and Sean Payton is setting up the stakes
so that Russ will fall in line. I think there

(48:49):
is a very calculated I think it's all very calculated
what Sean Payton has done. He has basically put the
target on his own back and tried to take it
off of his team. And the thing about it was,
I was fine with what he said, and I didn't
care about the apology one bit because regardless of him

(49:11):
walking it back, that is what he thought and he's
not wrong. I had to watch that team last year.
We all did. We had to watch that Thursday night
game with the Colts, for example, we had to watch
the Sunday game against the Jags over in London. Like
what Seohn Payton was saying was accurate. And he's a
guy that's used to being in situations where those teams

(49:31):
won a lot of games. And then he walks in
and he sees this and he's like, Nah, this can't happen.
Like I've got to set a tone and change the
culture right now. And if that means abrasive, if that
means hurting a few people's feelings, if that means hurting
a few egos and forcing them to play a little
bit more in the preseason, That's exactly what I'm gonna do.
Because I was paid a lot of money to come

(49:53):
here and win, and I kind of liked myself a lot,
and I want to make sure my legacy is intact.
So I think there's a lot that went into that
behind the scenes where Sean Payton is setting the stage
for the future.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I agree with one hundred percent of what you said. Well,
actually it's ninety nine percent, okay, And I'll tell you
the one percent I don't agree with. All Right, First
of all, understand this about Sean Payton and the deal
that he signed with the Walton family. The Walton family
is the richest family in America. The deal that he

(50:26):
signed with the Broncos is the most unbreakable deal that
any current NFL coach has. I mean, he will determine,
he will determine how long he coaches the Denver Broncos.
That's his contract, that's the deal that he got from
the Broncos. So his job security is one hundred percent.

(50:51):
The one thing and everything you were on the mark
with one hundred The only thing I might disagree with
is the fact that he sees something perhaps in Russell Wilson.
I don't think he sees anything in Russell Wilson.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I think that Russell Wilson will be the quarterback of
the Denver Broncos this year. Now, if they turn it around,
they win eleven or twelve games and win a couple
of playoff games, and he bears some resemblance to the
MVP candidate what he was for much of his Seattle career,
then fine, Russell Wilson will be the quarterback. But anything
less than that he gone, Like this is it? I

(51:30):
mean he is, he will, he will be gone.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Now.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
You say, well, they're going to take a big it
doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to the Walton family, right
and it certainly is not going to matter to Sean Payton.
Right he is You talk about a short leash. That's
where Russell Wilson is right now. So for the fact
that he was out there for four series, you know,
finally threw a touchdown pass the judy after they're going

(51:53):
against like the fifth string defense. Yeah, I one hundred
percent agree with you that. You know he's he's not
going to coddle Russell Wilson. If anything, he's going to
use him as a scapegoat if things don't go badly
this year. Sean Payton does have a relentless ego, relentless ego,
But if he doesn't believe that Russell Wilson can execute

(52:18):
his offense, he's gone.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Oh. I agree. I also think Steve, no way does
he take that job if he doesn't have assurances that
they will get rid of Russ if it doesn't work
this year. There's no way that they said you got
to make this work for three to five years. No,
Sean Payton wouldn't have even taken the phone call the
second time. And that was part of the deal, right.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
They didn't. They didn't. Russell Wilson wasn't theirs, you know
what I mean. I mean it was. And again, when
you have that kind of wealth, we're talking about the
richest ownership in the league, then yeah, I mean they're
one hundred percent in with Sean Payton. Sean Payton will
make all the decisions. That's what he wanted to come

(53:01):
back as a coach, I want total control of personnel
for my franchise, every position, regardless of contracts. So yeah,
if I were Russell Wilson right now, I'd be a
little nervous because he has zero job security in that
Broncos job. So very quickly your gut feeling on the

(53:23):
Broncos for twenty twenty three. Are you smelling a rebound
from last year's debacle or are you seeing baby steps?
What are you see in twenty twenty three?

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Well, I mean, look, you're dealing with the Chargers. I'm
still not sure about Brandon Staley. We'll see what Kellen
Moore does. Obviously, the Chiefs are the Chiefs. I don't
think the Raiders are going to be good at all,
But so I think they're going to be a better team.
I think they're gonna be a more discipline team. It's
going to rise and fall on what Russell Wilson does have.
I'm afraid I don't think it's going to be a

(53:54):
particularly good year. Do I think it could be a
winning season? Yes, I think you're going to see the
makings of what Sean Payton wants to do. It's almost
like the college coach all but he's got to get
in there and recruit his guys. He's got to get
his guys in Well, he didn't have all that yet,
and I don't think he has this guy at quarterback,
and so I think this is a process. I think

(54:15):
we're going to see some of those signs of all right, well,
Sean Payton's probably gotten about the most out of them
that anyone could and then we're gonna see what the
future has. If I had to bet on it now,
i'd say it's eight to nine, nine and eight something
like that.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
All right, Well, I believe that the Sean Payton Russell
Wilson coach quarterback dynamic as far as a new pairing,
is the second most intriguing this season. I'll tell you
what the first most intriguing is. This is Fox Sports Sunday,
Steve Harvin, Jason Martin, Fox Sports Sunday. We are live

(54:49):
from the Tirerack dot Com studios. I keep staring here
at this Saints Chiefs game, like you look at that score,
Jay Mario, seventeen to seven sais and you're reminded we're
just we're watching meaningless preseason football with a lot of
no names on the field. But there are certain games

(55:11):
that have been, you know, getting headlines in this first
week of first full week of the preseason football. So
I mentioned going into the break that I think the
Sean Payton dynamic of Russell Wilson is the second most
intriguing quarterback coach duo dynamic in twenty twenty three. For me,

(55:31):
the number one, and to me it's not even close,
is what's happy in Indianapolis with a rookie coach Shane
Steichen coupled with Anthony Richardson. And the reason I say
that is if you look at the history of the
National Football League, and in particular, if you look at

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coaches that have a spot in the Pro Football Hall
of Fame with very few exceptions, they're there because of
the success of their quarterback. Now, I can always go
back and forth like who made who you know? And
we can you know? This endless Belichick versus Brady argument
certainly looks very much in favor of Brady with the

(56:16):
success he had immediately in Tampa and the lack of
success that Belichick has had since Brady left. But if
you're a young coach like Shane Steichen, you've been basically
told by ownership because Jimmers say made it clear when
they drafted Anthony Richardson that even if they had had
the number one overall pick, they would have taken Anthony Richardson.

(56:41):
I want to start this because you're right there in
sec country. So you got a chance to see this
guy in college. Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm looking
at the numbers. I didn't see a whole lot of
Florida football, but there was certainly nothing that jumped off
the page where you're like, Okay, the guy's completing like
fifty four percent of his passes. How is that going
to translate to the NFL? So when he got all
the booming hype coming out of the Combine, were you

(57:03):
laughing about it or were you saying to yourself, Yeah,
he's that good. Potentially as he moves to the next level.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
I think it's probably somewhere in the middle. But I
think that it's what you have seen and what he's
capable of, not just what we were told he was
capable of a couple of years ago, but also just
looking at him his measurables, you know what he was
able to do, for example, at the Combine. Just you
look at the guy and he's super impressive, and you
just think, man, if he falls into the right situation

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with the right coach, the right guy that can help him,
because he's still super raw and there's still a lot
of matchuration on the football field that he's going to
have to learn, and stepping into the NFL, that's going
to be very, very difficult for him, especially in Indie
where they still just seem to be there's like a
virus that keeps wide receiver depth from existing in Indianapolis

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almost at all times. Understand it, but they just don't
have very much weaponry around him, So he's going to
have He's gonna have a lot of struggles. But I
think it's man if he could just live up to
what we know he's capable of his arm strength, if
we can bring the accuracy up, if we can make
sure the decision making is what it's supposed to be.
And there's a lot of caveats in the last couple

(58:19):
of sentences that I have uttered, but if you could
harness it properly, my goodness, the sky is the limit
for him. So it's the difference between what we perceive
he's capable of and the reality of what he's shown.
I certainly was not on the full hype train because
I watched a lot of Florida football last year and
it just it just felt like he needs more time.

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He needs he needs real time and real patience. And
honestly that that's kind of rare in this day and
age in professional sports. You don't usually get that time
unless you have Aaron Rodgers that you have to sit
behind for a couple of years or something like that.
And that's not the Indy went for a guy because
they're getting tired of the continuing conveyor belt line that

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is their quarterback position over the last half decade since
Andrew Luck decided to retire. I I think that man.
I hope he does because it's gonna be He's he's
gonna be scintillating if he If he lives up to
the potential that he has, he's gonna be must watch
and it's gonna be incredible football. But it's gonna take

(59:30):
some time, and I'm definitely I'm gonna it's a wait
and see with me.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
For Anthony Richardson, Yeah, Shane Stike in after yesterday's game
and Anthony played Okay, he threw an interception early had
a misread on one play through an interception, and after
that he settled in. By the way, they still haven't
made up their mind if they're gonna start the season
with Anthony Richardson or Gardner Minshew, who, by the way,
was a perfect six or six on the second string

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seventy two yards yesterday. But when the owner is publicly
stating that this was the best player in the draft,
then Anthony Richardson is going to be your quarterback. And
here's the thing about Shane stike And I saw Shane
working down there in San Diego for a little bit,
and he was on the same staff with Frank Reich

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and Nick Sirianni. So they had all these you know
guys that, by the way, they couldn't win anything together
in San Diego, but they seem to have flourished since
they left the charge of organization joined the club anyway,
So I look at stichen situation because he's a very
serious minded coach, you know, Sirianni sort of a goofy guy.

(01:00:39):
That's not Shane stikeen. And so Anthony Richardson, and I
guess part of it is the whole phenomenon that was
Josh Allen and Buffalo, right. I mean in college he
was a fifty five percent passer. No, you don't go
from that to sixty nine percent in the NFL unless

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Brian Dable your coach, which is a GAC that would
happen in tutoring Josh Allen to become an accurate passer,
because no offense works from a passing standpoint without accuracy.
You can't run an NFL offense effectively if you're completing
less than sixty percent of your passes. So that's going

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to be the question moving for it. Now, how do
you get there? Right? And so this comes down to
a couple things. You gonna have all the physical gifts
in the world. When you're the most gifted athlete on
the field, especially at the collegiate level, you can get
away with a lot that does not play in the
NFL at all. I remember when Vince Young came in

(01:01:41):
the NFL and he was the offensive rookie of the
year and then things started going south. Why it wasn't
Vince Young, It's that defensive coordinators figured out his weaknesses.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Yeah, they had film on him. They years worth the tape,
and they figured him out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
They figured him out. They said, the guy can't throw
going to his left. He wants to go to his right,
So we're going to take that away from him. So
these are the obstacles that Anthony Richardson is going to
be facing moving forward. And at the same time, you
got a coach that obviously is getting this opportunity be
ahead coach in the NFL. He wants to make it work,
but maybe he's of the mindset of what you just

(01:02:19):
talked about, like he's not quite ready yet and throwing
him out there to the Wolves may not be the
best idea for his long term And so that whole dynamic,
to me, is going to be very because honestly, I
thought the Colts were a team on the commune. Know
there's rotation of quarterbacks after Andrew Luck unexpectedly retired, and

(01:02:40):
yet they were still there like they were in playoff
contention until last year and things completely fell apart.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Yeah, I mean, I agree, I agree that. I mean
that I think that the best that you're making if
you're a Colts fan, and maybe even if you're Jim Mersey,
is that it was more stiching in Philadelphia than it
was Sirianni right, that really helped develop Jayalen Hurts because
Jaywen Hurts had a ton of question marks. Yes, and
now those question marks have Benny raced. It's going to

(01:03:08):
be really interesting to see what the Eagles are without
both of those coordinators, but particularly without Stiking. And if
Stiking can bring some of what he was able to
kind of instill in Jayleen Hurts into a young Anthony Richardson,
and Richardson's mindset is such that he just wants to
be a sponge and absorb all that information. It could

(01:03:29):
be a perfect match.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
All right, we got more NFL to get to, but
I'm gonna throw a difference spin at you, j mart
on the other side. First though, let's find out what
it's trending right now. So, Monsy, where were your seats?
I mean you were at so far right.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
I'm stuck. Yes, No, I'm good. I was sitting with Jesus.
But it was fine. No, it was great. It was
really great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I mean, and that place was packed, super packed.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
It was awesome. There was not an empty seat.

Speaker 7 (01:03:55):
I've never been to a concert where it was like that,
Like I've been to several concerts, so you could see,
you know, open seats, No this was completely full from
top to bottom.

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
They gave us these light up.

Speaker 7 (01:04:09):
Bracelets and so the bracelets had their own way of
lighting up based on the song and then colors and
you would just see the color scheme across and like.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
It was so awesome, it was so so great. She
did not stop.

Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
If she stopped, she maybe stopped for two minutes, and
it was because she was changing into another awesome glittery outfit.
Like she did not stop. If you went to the restroom,
you missed a song because she wasn't stopping.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I don't know, Jmr. Have you gone to see her
in concert?

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
No, I've never seen swifting it out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
So no, no, no I haven't.

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
But you said you have a daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Yes I did.

Speaker 7 (01:04:43):
Maybe one day, maybe one day you'll be at Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Oh my daughter has seen Taylor's.

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
I'd never seen her.

Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
And I love all the videos of dads waiting outside
the concert venues waiting for their.

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
Daughters to come out. And all the dads are dressed.

Speaker 7 (01:04:57):
The same, They're all in shorts, a baseball cab, a
T shirt, and they're all waiting for their daughters.

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
It's so great. It was so awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
It was amazing, amazing, except they don't go in.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
They don't, they don't.

Speaker 7 (01:05:10):
I'm sure they didn't want to, but it's really, you know,
we were I was sitting.

Speaker 6 (01:05:13):
Next to this I'm gonna guess she was about.

Speaker 7 (01:05:15):
Fifteen years old with her mother, and the mother was
just there like sitting down.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
Didn't get up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
How many guys already?

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
They got many?

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
But you could see boyfriends, a couple of husbands, you know,
a couple of other fans like you know, there were some,
but it was definitely heymarty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
You're ever drag to a concert you really didn't want
to go to because of them?

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
No, not not really. I mean my wife has taken
me to a few, but we have similar music takes.
It's one of the things we bonded over.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
So no, not really, No, not that one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
You know Luis Miguel, Luis Migauz. Yes, you know the name.

Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
Are you talking about Louis Miguez Louise Miguel.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Oh, yes, of course I know louisgu When I met
my wife, she was the biggest, really and I went
to a concert.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Oh that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I don't speak anyes Manuel. I had no idea what
was going on, that's kind of boyfriend.

Speaker 7 (01:06:05):
I was that good for you know, he is an
amazing he's a heart throb. He's a heart throb. Back
it still is. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I also took her as a gift when Ricky Martin
nodded on the scene, I want to take her to
Staples Center to see Ricky Martin.

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Now, how much did you shake your booty? Because there's
it's impossible to not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Nobody was looking at.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Me like, if you're listening effect, I love that. That's amazing. Well,
we got baseball.

Speaker 7 (01:06:36):
In full effect today, Fellas. The Cubs were up, but
not any more. Blue Jays have taken the lead. Dalton
var Show had a three run homer. Eight is five
to two bottom of the third inning. The Guardians have
extended their lead over the Rays. It's six to zero
bottom of the third. The Yankees have added another run
thanks to an RBI.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
Double by John Carlos Stanton.

Speaker 7 (01:06:55):
Obviously, so they're blanking the Marlins two zero, bottom of
the third inning. The Rwers have scored first against the
White Sox in Chicago. It's one zero bottom of the second.
The Red Sox holding onto their lead over the Tigers.
They're at home. It's six ' three top of the
ninth inning and the Tigers are down to their final out.

Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
The Twins have added one more run. They're beating the
Phillies to zero.

Speaker 7 (01:07:15):
They're about to start the bottom of the fourth inning
and the Reds have scored first against the Pirates. They
do have a double header. This is game one. It
is one zero, bottom of the fourth inning. And yes,
we do have NFL preseason action. It's halftime between the
Chiefs and the Saints. New Orleans up seventeen to seven.
But again it is preseason. Another NFL news, the Miami
Dolphins have signed wide receiver Keiki Cuti like the Orange,

(01:07:37):
that's right, who was released by the Saints on Friday.

Speaker 6 (01:07:39):
Miami also signed defensive back Jamal Perry.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Back to you guys, all right, thank you very much.
Last we'll check in with you a little bit later
on Steve Harvin, Jason Martin here, Fox Sports Sunday. I
want to switchcars for a second, or j mart Big
n NBA News, James Harden. The Philadelphia seventy six ers
have made a clear not going anywhere, and I want

(01:08:03):
to get your thoughts on this because this in particular
is an NBA situation where players now are dictating to
teams not only when they want to play, where they
want to play, who they want to play for, and
get it done or I'm done. And the Sixers, I know,

(01:08:24):
made the obligatory call to the Clippers because apparently James Harden,
who's a LA kid, wants to come back and play
for the Clippers, but the Clippers were not offering anywhere
near the package and return. By the way, it's very
similar with the Damian Liller situation in Portland that he
wants to play for the Heat, except the Heat have
nothing to offer that Portland's interested in. Same thing happen

(01:08:46):
here with the Sixers and the Clippers. Is this good
for a sport that in some respect they've caved in
to the demands of the players to let them dictate
where and when they play.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
It's I mean, it's interesting from a soap opera standpoint.
It keeps the league in the news even when there's
not anything else going on. It definitely makes their players'
bigger stars because they are in the news. But no,
not necessarily when it comes to Harden. Why would you
offer a ton if you're the Clippers for James Harden.

(01:09:30):
I don't understand it. I don't know. I've been negative
on Harden for a very long time. But I have
said many times on these very same airwaves that if
James Harden plays for your team, I will not pick
your team to win the championship. I just won't. It's
not a thing that's going to happen, because I have
a mountain of evidence that tells me I'm going to

(01:09:51):
be right. The only way that I would pick it
to happen is if I've already seen it happen with
my own eyes the year prior. That's the only way
I might even change my mind. I don't think at
this stage you're gonna make yourself particularly better by bringing
James Harden into your organization. I don't think you're gonna
make your chemistry better. I don't think you're gonna make
your locker room better. I don't think that you're going

(01:10:13):
to make much of anything better. The Clippers already have
a couple of kind of aloof personalities. There's no reason
to add this to it. But you're right. Unlike the
NFL the NBA, the powers in the hands of the
players in a much different respect. I think that at times,
it makes it hard for some fans to embrace the

(01:10:36):
league the way they otherwise would because they just get
the sense that the athletes don't care about them at all.
And look, that may be true in every pro sport,
as matter of fact, it probably is in a lot
of cases, but they hide it better. The NFL or
the NBA does not hide their sort of It just
comes across as a very self absorbed league in a

(01:10:57):
way that other pro sports don't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
If that makes sense, well it does make sense. But also,
one thing we find out about these sports leagues across
the board, they tend to be copycats, right, so if
it works for one team, it's going to work for us.
And if you look at the last three NBA champions,
the Bucks in twenty one, the Warriors in twenty two,
and the Nuggets this year, what are these three teams

(01:11:20):
have in common? Their core were homegrown, you know, I
mean they basically their core they're elite players were home grown.
You can even throw the Celtics who got to the
finals a couple years ago in that same vein. So
this idea of acquiring players and you know, putting guys together,

(01:11:42):
it's not working anymore. I mean, look at Phoenix two
years ago. They won what sixty four games, and they
gutted the depth of their team to get Kevin Durant
didn't look all that great in the postseason, and now
there are a noseman's land because they lost the depth.
I mean, you look at some look at the Clippers.

(01:12:05):
I mean, in order to get Kawhi Leonard, Kawhi Leonard
tells their zillionaire owner, the only way I'm gonna sign
with the Clippers is you get me Paul George. They
gave up six number ones. Yeah, for Paul George. How's
that work?

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
So I haven't worked to a championship?

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, I mean, it just amazing to me when I
think of someone like Steve Bomber, who is the tenth
wealthiest person on the planet, a guy that could literally
buy the entire NBA, that could be the National Bomber Association,
and he's being dictated to by the players.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Just it just.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Absolutely mind boggling to me. So I'm about free agency.
I'm about players having freedom. I mean, because so much
of what happens in sports is so backwards to the
rest of the world world. Imagine Jamart if you had
come out of college and you want to work in
sports and you're drafted. I'm like, I drafted draft to where,

(01:13:12):
Well you got drafteds Moines wants you yep, Well I
don't want to work in des Moin. Well, you don't
have a choice. So the draft is so illegal in sports.
At some point, the draft's going to go away because
everyone understands it's illegal what they do. Yeah, yeah, telling
someone where they're gonna work and everything else. But that aside.

(01:13:35):
If you're an owner, I mean, you want certain control
considering it's your money that they're playing with. So it's
it's an interesting dynamic. But I will say this for
the Sixers. Now he may hold out. I mean he says,
right now, I'm not showing up a training camp. Fine,
don't show up. You don't show up, We're not gonna
pay you. You're gonna avoid your contract. You know, you

(01:13:58):
can make the choice. But someone has got an up.
And by the way, the silence from the commissioner, Adam Silver,
I mean to me, everyone loves to praise this guy.
And there's certain things you could say how he's been
able to finagle billions of dollars out of China to
pay these players. But the fact that he takes a
step back and lets this happen on his watch doesn't

(01:14:21):
look good to me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
No, I agree with you. I mean I think that
Adam Silver he looks a lot of times like he
doesn't have a backbone, just kind of the way he's
built up. He's kind of strange and lanky and all
that doesn't look like he's a particularly strong guy. His
leadership is also relatively feckless. It doesn't feel like it
has backbone. It feels like every five seconds he is

(01:14:43):
laying prone on the ground and being stomped over by
the athletes in his league in a way that David
Stern flat out never was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
All right on the other side, and we get back
to some college football, if we will. I love college football.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
By the way, Week zero is just a couple of
weeks away. I want to ask you about the most
famous face on the college football scene and whether or
not his position has been replaced. Well, explain. This is
Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvin, Jason Martin Here, Fox Sports Sunday.

(01:15:17):
We are live from the Tireac dot Com studios. So
j mart a little bit earlier, we're talking about the
ever evolving landscape of well, college football, let's call it
for what it is. I mean, you know there's college basketball,
the Olympic sports. They're all going to have some effect

(01:15:38):
with all these reconfigurations of the conferences and you know, traveling,
all the other things that are being discussed. But college
football ren supreme. It is the free minor league of
the National Football League. Whi's a hell of a deal
for the NFL. So there has been one dominant name
in college football. I want to always an update in

(01:16:01):
this man. Sixteen years as the head coach of Alabama,
his record is one ninety four and twenty seven. That
includes his first year when he was seven and six,
So if you take that year out, he was one
eighty seven and twenty one. That's close to a ninety

(01:16:25):
percent winning percentage. I mean, we can talk about the
greatest coach's most successful coaches in college football history. He's
number one. There's never been a college I mean, they
can go back to New Rockney. I mean, you can
throw all the names out there. He is the most
successful college football coach of all time, certainly based on

(01:16:48):
what he stunned Alabama, but he's still the best coach
now and you're in the uh hotbed of college football
down there in SEC country. Is there a perception that
Kirby's Smart now a protege of Nick Saban, has taken
over as the dominant coaching force in America.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
I don't know if it's if it's phrased that way,
I don't know if it's phrase has Georgia replaced Alabama?
Then yes, I feel like Georgia is the new Alabama.
Alabama is the new Florida, and Saban has kind of
become the new Urban Meyer. Where there is somebody else
for Urban Meyer, it was Nick Saban. For Nick Saban,

(01:17:35):
it is Kirby Smart. But I don't I don't know.
Maybe it's just something about Kirby Smart. But I don't
look at Kirby Smart and think, well, he's better than
Nick Saban. I still believe Nick Saban is the best
college football coach in the country right now. I just
think that in this era, especially as things are changing
within IL and all this, but even before that, Georgia

(01:17:56):
finally getting the players that they used to maybe not
always get, and they have a coach that does know
what to do with them. But it's become kind of
a snowball rolling downhill and just gathering and gathering and gathering.
You see guys flipping to Georgia all the time. Their
recruiting is outrageously good, and unlike Jimbo Fisher, they kind
of know what to do with those guys, especially on

(01:18:17):
offense when they get them there. So I think it's
more that I don't look at I still think if
you surveyed a thousand people in my town here in Nashville,
ten thousand people even, and so who's the best college
football coach? I think the vast majority would still say
Nick Saban. You would get a few Kirby Smarts. But
I think that it's much more about Georgia as a

(01:18:38):
brand and the players and the way that they have
recruited than it is Kirby Smart. I don't think he
has talked about in the same echelon as a Nick Saban,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Well, I was just watching yesterday a little update on
Alabama as they try to figure out who's going to
replace Bryce Young at quarterback, and they still don't have
an answer, right. I mean, we're weeks away, obviously from
the start of the season, and Alabama does not have
an answer as to his their definitive number one quarterback.

(01:19:09):
I just wonder, now that you know Nick is seventy
one years old, you know, he certainly has nothing to prove.
I mean, he walks away today, his record is secure.
I'm just wondering how driven he is. And you could
sense the frustration where he really called out Jimbo Fisher
and spending all the money at A and M and
this whole name, image and likeness, it's changed the whole dynamic.

(01:19:33):
I mean, look what Lincoln Riley did at USC. They
brought him like twenty plus transfers and they are rolling
out money like you can't believe. Jason, I'm telling you
the amount of money Caleb Williams is actually getting as
opposed to what's being speculated, It's like night and day.
The price tag on Caleb Williams at US is beyond believe.

(01:19:57):
What USC gave Lincoln right, yeah, is unreal. It's big money.
And of course now USC has all that big ten
money coming in. It's so ain't gonna go up. I
just wonder if a guy like Nick Saban, who still
strikes me as pretty much an old school guy, really
wants to put up with this crap, Like, you know,
I could develop a player and he could be an

(01:20:20):
All American for me, I had no idea. What did
they offer Bryce Young or Will Anderson a year ago
to make sure they didn't go away?

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
So I mean, you're not wrong. I just to me.
For a guy like Saban, I'm just like, look at
Recruiting's tough enough, but now I got to worry year
to year of keeping my players because somebody else may
offer them more money. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Yeah, well I said, I think I said before last
college football season, and whoever was producing on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Fox stay right there, stay right there. We got to
get to it. Coming up much more here on Fox
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man of the South, so you grew up in North Carolina,
Am I right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
I was born in Virginia, but yeah, I grew up
in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
So you grew up in North Carolina. What is your
perspective as someone from that region of the country from
a sports standpoint of those of us on the West coast. Hmmm,
maybe be perfectly honest here, there's no wrong answer. Guse
you know, man.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Late showing up, early, leaving. That's one thing that I've
always heard being with Fox for as long as I
have now talking to a lot of folks that live
out there, I've come to understand it's a Lakers Dodgers town,
with us being the other pro team. That it's not
the Rams, that it never has been. That it's not
the Chargers, that it never has been. The Kings are

(01:22:08):
a cool little story here and there, but it's not
you know, that's not an un particularly you don't mover,
but generally it is. They do care about the NFL,
but they really liked baseball, they really liked the NBA,
and college football in many respects is kind of meaningless
to a lot of them outside of maybe SC, especially
when SC is good and Snoop Dogg and Will Ferrell

(01:22:29):
are on the sidelines.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Well, I it's a celebrity town. There's no question about that.
I've said this many times about the Lake. Great doctor
Jerry Buss. He made the NBA. I mean, the NBA
was in shambles, you know, barely breathing before he took
over ownership of the Lakers and created a different look

(01:22:53):
for the league. It wasn't just showtime Lakers, Magic Johnson
and company. It was the perception that you created the
NBA games as a place to be if you were
a celebrity. He waited, sure you got recognizable faces and seats.
This draws people to it. One of the drawbacks of
being a West Coast guy in the sports world for

(01:23:16):
me all these years is the idea that you can't
be a West Coast guy and live in breeze sports
like you know, the East Coast bias. I mean we've
seen it with ESPN for one hundred years, right, I
mean this is you know, it's a completely East Coast
bias network. It always has been, it always will be.

(01:23:37):
And with the growth and the domination of college football
in the SEC, I mean, we didn't really get this
whole look of what it was, what was going on
down there, you know, until the sudden domination with the
BCS championship game in the College Football Playoff, not just
obviously the SEC, but obviously the ascending of Clemson, you know,

(01:23:59):
such a football power out of the ACC, and Florida
State for years, the emergence of the Florida schools going
back with the U and then Florida State and Florida everything.
This is almost in terms of the history of college football,
rather recent phenomenon, and it's difficult to overcome. When you're

(01:24:19):
on the West Coast, it's very different because what you're
saying is the national perception of the West Coast. Now,
like I said, for many years, I've been in San
Diego area as well. I love San Diego, and I've
said this many times. There's no city that has suffered
more than San Diego. Cleveland has even one championship. San

(01:24:41):
Diego's got nothing. They won an AFL championship in nineteen
sixty three, and yet they weren't able to celebrate because
of the assassination of President Kennedy. But no one buys it.
They're like suffering. You live in the most beautiful city
in America. You can't possibly suffer as a sports fan.
If you're living in southern California because you got the

(01:25:02):
weather and this nothing could be further from the truth.
It's very we suffer as much as anyone else by
the way bandwagon fans exist everywhere. Let me ask you this,
So Alabama. We're talking about Alabama, right, and the fact
that you know, Kirby Smart and Georgia back to back
national championships may now be the team if Alabama, I mean,

(01:25:24):
you're looking at Alabama. I'm still looking at some of
the preseason rankings. They're top three by everybody, top four,
whatever it might be. What if Alabama just falls off
the cliff? What if these quarterbacks they have none of
them pan out, you know, sort of like the Uyunga
l Lay situation down there at Clemson where they thought

(01:25:45):
he would just take over for Trevor Lawrence and you know,
just another quarterback, you know, Deshaun Watson Trevor Lawrence didn't
work out. What if that happens to Alabama. How quickly
do they turn on teams there when they don't live
up to expectations.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Well, in terms of jumping off the bandwagon, not very.
I mean they're the fans of these teams are die
hard fans. Of these teams turning on specific coaches regimes
say we got to change this up and that kind
of thing. Yeah, that happens very often. The expectations have
to be met or something has to be done, and

(01:26:25):
there is a vast overreaction and a vast this guy
stinks immediately when stuff starts happening. There's not a whole
lot of patience there. Now, if you're a Nick Saban,
you've created a good bit of equity. Alabama has won
so much. You laid out the record before the heart
out at last hour, like it. Saban's fine for a while,
quite frankly, if he wants to be I don't think

(01:26:47):
he's gonna be there that long personally, But I think
that's I think that's more accurate to say that the
bloom can fall off the rows fast for a coach.
But you don't ever bail on the team because there's
just too much tradition. There's too many families where the
grandfather passed it to the father, who passed it to
the son, and the uncles and the aunts graduated from

(01:27:08):
the same place. They know. They have all the stuff
on their cars, they have all the stuff around their houses.
They have the flags at the front door. They've got
the road painted a certain color, like all the stuff.
The tradition and pageantry of what college football has been
is something that's kind of kept it together, which is
very interesting considering they're seemingly throwing a lot of that

(01:27:30):
out the window right now as you look at the
realignment structure. I'm curious to know how people feel about
college football fifty years from now when it comes to
the bandwagon, because it might be vastly different than what
we've seen for the last fifty to one hundred years.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
I agree with you a lot of the selling point
on college sports in particular, Jason, is the idea that
it's about tradition that's literally handed down from generation to generation.
One thing I've always found out about professional athletes and
I'll never get this. Years ago, I was doing a

(01:28:04):
series of articles for a UCLA sports publication and I
did a feature piece of members of the UCLA Athletic
Hall of Fame. It's a long list. I mean, you know,
guys like Jackie Robinson. I mean credible list, right. So,
I remember doing a couple of interviews with a couple
of contemporaries of mine, both members of the College Football

(01:28:25):
Hall of Fame. Linebacker Jerry Robinson had a very successful
career in the NFL with the Eagles, among other teams.
And Kenny Easley, who's in the Hall of Fame, great
career with the Seattle Seahawks before injuries cut his career short.
And I remember sitting down and talking with them about
their UCLA career, and there were several years beyond their
pro career at this point, and they started getting into

(01:28:47):
details about their college games. And they didn't know what
the other one had said, but they both said the
exact same thing as we were rehashing in their college years.
They said, you know, it's really amazing. I can remember
almost every detail of my college career, and I can
remember almost no details about my professional career outside of

(01:29:08):
maybe playing in the Super Bowl or something like that.
The whole dynamic is so different. But this is what
makes college sports so great. I mean, you've got these stadiums,
all one hundred thousand people. NFL teams could not fill
those stadiums. I'm sorry they would not, No, not at all,
and yet they do it every week, whether it's Tennessee

(01:29:33):
or all these one hundred thousand Sea stadiums, they're sold out.
And so the question is all this realignment, all this
dismantling of longtime rivalries, will it have an adverse effect
on the following of And again, I want to stick
with college football because it's the king. What are your thoughts?

(01:29:54):
I mean, are they in danger? As these schools are
grabbing money, which, by the way, is necessary now if
you want to compete with the name, image and likeness,
you better have a pretty good coll for money available
to you. But ultimately, could it destroy the fiber that
has made college football so special?

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Oh? Yeah, I mean I think that you are in
not just danger, I think, and not even just imminent danger,
but I think this ship is already pulling away from
the dock. I feel like the novelty of college football,
what made it unique, is gone and is increasingly just
deteriorating right before our very eyes. It's becoming like everything else,

(01:30:39):
especially in its own sport. And there is something to
be said for that. There is something to be said
for going to you know, fill a fill a big house,
or fill a new and stadium, or fill one of
these giant buildings, even when the opponent was going to
lose by forty five because of some traditional, long standing

(01:31:00):
rivalry within the conference, giving up those things, giving up,
honestly giving up the regional nature of college football and
how it feels to be in the South and be
around the SEC and me growing up on Tobacco Road
being around ACC basketball, especially at that point in time
when I was in high school, was in the mid nineties,

(01:31:21):
and the ACC was just absolutely king. I can't imagine
what it is now in that same area where I
grew up, where you have all these schools that don't
make sense from a regional standpoint, there's nothing that ties
it together. There's no history. That's the thing that makes
college football is the history. It's being able to have

(01:31:42):
a right Thompson or whoever. It is great college football
writers that can write this lengthy story about this one
game that was a rivalry for seventy five eighty years,
a lot of stuff that predates even your own grandparents,
and you can read it and understand kind of the
underlying current that made it special. And college football is now,

(01:32:03):
as John Morosi said when he was with us earlier
in the show Steve, it is rapidly becoming the fifth
professional sport. And I don't think there's a way to
stop the train. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
I don't know how to be cause there are going
to be people that say this just because it has
been a tradition doesn't mean it has to remain a tradition.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
There is a whole generation people out there that have
no recall of how big a rivalry Nebraska Oklahoma was none.
I mean Nebraska bullet for the Big Ten. They did
the money grab. By the way, Nebraska football is completely
irrelevant now where it used to be. Obviously they were

(01:32:52):
one of the standard bearers of the sport. But there's
a whole generation that doesn't know any better. And I
guess that's that's the hard thing. So for us that
you know, grow up with a certain tradition everything else,
and then it's taken away from us. We're like, yeah,
it's gonna it's gonna kill the sport. There's another tradition.

(01:33:12):
They say, well, you make new traditions. So uh. And
by the way, college football has a lot Like I
said a little bit earlier here, when when when the
University of Miami suddenly became a football power, like suddenly
like Notre Dame Miami or Florida State Miami for a
brief period of time became the game. It's like, how
did this happen? Mm hm, So it does evolve the boy,

(01:33:38):
the money, Oh, the money. It's just absolutely crazy. Bill
all right. Coming up on the other side, we'll get
back to a little NFL preseason talk, and of course
the biggest story leading into this season has been the
New York Jets. Are they going to be as good
as advertised? Or is there a more distinct possibility that

(01:33:59):
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Com The Way tire buying should be. So, Jamart, let
me ask you this a very similar feature in our
backgrounds in this industry. So I was a very much
a behind the scenes guy long before I ever got
on air. You know, I was the media relations director

(01:35:06):
of the La Raiders back in the eighties working for
Al Davis, which was a lot of stories out of that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
I'll bet someday I want to just sit and listen
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
I can tell you there's some unbelievable stories there. But
there's something to be said about being on both sides
of the fence in this industry. I mean, you sometimes
when you're the behind the scenes guy and you feel
like because you're sort of helping other people like Star,

(01:35:37):
you know, and you're thinking yourself, I know more than
this guy is a lot more of that. Did you
go through all that? I mean, was this something that
you felt compelled that you had to get your voice
out there and get your opinions out there on the
world of sports.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
I think it's more that I've always not just viewed myself.
But I've always kind of been a performer, from working
in professional wrestling to what I used to do musically
and things like that in high school and early in college,
to just speaking and things of that nature. It always
made sense. When I was in college, I was, you know,

(01:36:15):
a television anchor for news and sports. I was the
host of the radio show, and I was doing some
of the behind the scenes stuff. But I always knew.
I think it was less that it was less about
what I did being hard for me to take. And
I think the bigger problem for me was that I
wasn't good at that side. We're gifted differently, We're given

(01:36:37):
different gifts. You know. I was always one that could
speak and could write, but I'm not that great when
it comes to technical stuff. Doesn't mean I can't work
with Adobe audition and all that kind of stuff. In
our industry. We have to, but I'm slower at it
than some people. I'm just I'm not magical at putting
together audio compilations and things of that nature. I can
do it, but there are people I know that I

(01:37:00):
think are artists when it comes to that stuff, and
that was never my side. So I think there was
there was a part of it that was that. And yes,
there was definitely a part of it where it was
less about me thinking I was better than who I
was working for or anything like that, and more me
knowing I was good enough to do the thing that
I felt like I actually was gifted and blessed by

(01:37:21):
the Lord to do.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Yeah, I mean it was I was this. I'm a
stat geek from the Valley, So I'm like this savant
of sports stats. What exactly do you do with that? Like,
how do you how do you make a living doing
something like that? Thank God for sports talk radio. I
mean I was very fortunate to get in literally on

(01:37:46):
the ground floor, you know, way back in the early
nineties on what was the first all sports station on
the West Coast, the w fan of the West Coast
and and sort of right place, right time. But I
nothing has changed for me all these years. I mean,
every single time I can sit down, express my opinions,
share opinions, share a conversation with someone that I know

(01:38:08):
has the same passion, you can't beat it. You simply
can't beat it. This is why what we do is
is so much fun. It's not work. You know, people
it's stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
We get paid for this.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
It always has been. I mean I sit here in
our Fox Sports radio studios here, we got multiple TVs.
You know, once the football season begins, Jason, it's it's
you know, our Sunday show, especially like Monsey was. It
was her first year last year on our Sunday show.
Can I have Monsey's mic on for a second here,
so Monsey, Yes, we were getting you ready for week one. Yes,

(01:38:44):
and our show starts at ten am on the West
coast one pm on the East coast, and we have
ten games yeah, kicking off simultaneously.

Speaker 6 (01:38:55):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
And our job for four hours is too literally be
your eyes.

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
So if you're listening, you're obviously not watching, and so
we have to tell you constantly what's going on. I
remember you, like your first update that first week.

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
I think I quit three times out there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
I know what to do. J Mark. She was like,
I have ten games going on right now, the same time,
the same time, and where do we go from here?

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:39:22):
No, No, Thank goodness for the listeners that they had
you and Rich because I was like, eh, what nobody
told me I was going to do this? Nobody prepared
me for this. So it's fun. You know, I quit
a few times, but I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
You know, then you've got in your rhythm of it
and you started figuring out. Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:39:42):
After that, it was like nine games, that's easy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Game.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Yeah, in the season got you know, it's Saturday games,
so they took some off the Sunday.

Speaker 6 (01:39:51):
Oh yeah, no, it's fun times to do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
But I mean, I mean, I'll be perfectly honest here, Jmard.
I mean, like these couple of weeks, uh are rough
because once once we get week zero, I mean I'm
even looking for a USC Spartans. And that's not Michigan State,
that's San Jose State. Okay, just give me some games
that matter. You look, have you been did you watch?

(01:40:16):
Are you fan of Hard Knocks? I used to be
that sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
Like it's not. Yeah, It's like I think there was
a time where it just okay, I know what's going
to happen every year, and I will if there's highlights.
There's been some times that I will tune in, Like
the Raiders year I wanted to see because of the
Antonio Brown situation. I was fascinated by what was going on.
The last one that I remember just watching start to finish,
probably was the Jets with Rex Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
I was in Courtland. They actually sent us to Courtland,
New York to promote it, like they sent our radio
show there. We were there in the middle of nowhere,
near Cornell. By the way. Rex Ryan's teeth are so distracting.
He's got these veneers. Yeah, that are just absurd. Like

(01:41:07):
he was sitting across from us of the table. I'm like, dude,
what is up with your teeth? Very distracting.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Well, yeah, I mean, like I said, when it comes
when just when it comes to hard knocks, it's just
and I think you know this because you've been around
for as long as you have and you have been
that close to it, you know. I've talked to coaches
that have been a part of it, Yeah, and kind
of learned how it works and how it doesn't work.
It's not a gotcha show. It's a promotional tool for
the NFL. Sure, and the team has final cut. Nothing

(01:41:35):
airs that the team doesn't want to air. They're able
to turn the cameras off whenever they want. They can
actually just put a hand signal up and they have
to shut the cameras down. They get to see the
footage and then say nope, we're not running that, and
they'll take it off. So it becomes a promotional tool
for that organization as well, which is why so often
you can fall into the trap of watching Hard Knocks

(01:41:56):
and getting your heart set that some dude that's barely
gonna make the team is actually about to be an
All NFL player and excuse your it's the same thing
as preseasons, Like you're watching these third stringers, You're like, man,
why is this guy not starting well? Because he's playing
against your grandma? Yeah, like that that's why, Like, imagine
what the dude that is starting would do against these
guys and say, I think it. I think it's just

(01:42:18):
a It's an amazing way for the NFL to promote
its product and for individual organizations sometimes to create propaganda
for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
All right. So on the other side, I want to
cause I watched the first episode, uh, and I'm I'm
one of you, one hundred percent, Like I was into
it early on, but it just seemed to be repetitive
that it was They're going to, you know, single out
some obscure player and the Turk would show up and
hand over the playbook and it's over, and that's that's
the whole series. But I'm going to tell you why
episode one of this season with the Jets is very

(01:42:48):
different for one very specific reason. But first let's find
out what's trending. So it's the of the calm before
the storm. Yes, you know, these last couple of weeks
before the start of regular season.

Speaker 7 (01:43:01):
Time.

Speaker 6 (01:43:01):
Totally, yeah, totally.

Speaker 7 (01:43:02):
I have not watched the first episode of Hard Knocks,
but I just like to watch more than one episode
at one time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Yes, well, you're the first episode. Well, I'm going to
get into it why the dynamic of the first episode
honestly was not what I actually.

Speaker 7 (01:43:17):
It wasn't what you expected at Okay, all right, Yeah,
I'm definitely gonna watch it. I'm just waiting for more
than one episode to watch.

Speaker 6 (01:43:23):
Then. You know, I hate that they released one episode
at a time.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
I hate Yeah, you're you're you're too young. You're not
used to the time when we had to wait week
after week after week after week for everything I did.

Speaker 7 (01:43:33):
You know, what I specifically remember was like season nine
and ten of Friends, where I had to wait like
on Thursdays to watch the episode. That is like my earliest,
you know, recollection of having to wait and now we're spoiled.
So I'm just like, just release it all, Just do it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Come on, It could be worse. I was raised on
black and white TV, so let's yeah. No, I actually
had to get up and change the channel on the TV.

Speaker 6 (01:44:00):
Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 7 (01:44:00):
I don't remember a lot of that, No, but I
remember what the TVs looked like with those dials, Like,
I do remember what they look like.

Speaker 6 (01:44:07):
But I don't think I experienced that myself.

Speaker 7 (01:44:10):
Well, the Chiefs have taken the lead over the Saints
in this week one preseason that does wrap up today.
They are up twenty one to seventeen. Early in the
fourth quarter, Eagles linebacker Sean Bradley announced on social media
that he's going to miss the remainder of the season
after tearing an achilles and yesterday's preseason opener against the
Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 6 (01:44:31):
He announced it himself on social media.

Speaker 7 (01:44:33):
In Major League Baseball, the Red Sox are trying to
stay alive and make it to the postseason.

Speaker 6 (01:44:38):
They end up beating the Tiger six to three.

Speaker 7 (01:44:40):
Adam Devall had a three run homer and four RBIs
in the victory.

Speaker 6 (01:44:44):
And I'm going to say this to everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:44:45):
Miguel Cabrera is probably you know, it's his farewell tour.

Speaker 6 (01:44:50):
If you have a chance to see him, you gotta go.

Speaker 7 (01:44:52):
So Fenway in his final probably at bat at Fenway,
everybody got up, gave him a standing ovation as he deserves.
So mcala, Cabrera, Derek definitely on his farewell tour right now.
In Major League Baseball, though, the A's holding onto their
lead over the Nationals five to one, top of the seventh,
Twins still blanking the Phillies in Philadelphia two zero, bottom
of the seventh. The Reds and the Pirates in game

(01:45:13):
one of their double header, Cincinnati up two to one
bottom of the seventh as well. The Blue Jays have
added a couple more runs. They're beating the Cubs eight
to two. They're about to start the bottom of the
sixth inning. The Guardians also can't stop scoring. Every time
I look up, they've scored another one. They're blanking, not blanking.
They're beating the Rays nine to one, almost top of
the sixth inning. The Yankees also keep scoring against the

(01:45:34):
Marlins seven to one, bottom of the six, Angels holding
onto that one run lead over the Astros in Houston
one zero bottom of the fifth, the Brewers still beating
the White Sox two zero, top of the six, and
the FedEx Saint Judeo Championship has been suspended. The play
has been suspended because of inclement. Whether they should be
starting up again in about two hours is the latest.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
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about a guy like Miguel Cabrera where he is absent

(01:46:19):
of any suspicion of peds. Here, Jason is the fact
that he's had a downward trajectory in his career, which
is what he used to be. Like you watched a
Willie Mays or a Hank Aaron and they hang on
for you know, three or four years at the back
end of the career and the numbers are unrecognizable to
their heyday. That's Miguel Cabrera. I love the guy. I

(01:46:41):
think he will go down as one of the most
unsung great players in Major League Baseball history.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
I don't disagree. I mean, he's definitely a very old
school of mentality, and he's a guy that's just been
consistent of just being worth your time to see as
a fan of baseball or just someone that covers sports.
It's just there's not a whole lot of guys that
feel made like him anymore. And You're right, the fact
that there's not a bunch of cloud a suspicion around

(01:47:11):
him makes what he's done even that much more remarkable.
And a lot of times with these kind of farewell
tour deals, I don't usually care that much because I
kind of understand. I know it's hard to walk away.
But if I'm a fan that would then tell me
exactly what Monci just said, Like, yeah, I'd go see
him if he came close by, because that's somebody I
wanted to see. I saw Tom Brady in the last

(01:47:31):
couple of years. That's the first time I got to
see Tom Brady in person. But I'm glad someday I'm
going to be able to tell my daughter, Yeah, I
saw Tom Brady play football like in person, the best,
the best that's ever done it, and I think there
is something to be said for that. That's one of
the reasons why even in terrible NBA markets where you
can usually get tickets for four to six dollars, when
Lebron comes, it's one hundred and fifty, because it's important

(01:47:53):
to be able to see and be able to look
back to so many we don't have paper tickets anymore, Steve,
and I hate that because I've going back and I
just cleaned out my parents' house as we moved them,
and I was getting rid of a lot of things
from my child and I found a lot of paper
tickets from a lot of events that meant a lot
to me. That are still things that cherished memories and
those are keepsakes. And now it's just kind of I

(01:48:16):
guess you'd just go there with a smartphone to make
sure you take enough photos and that becomes the memento.
But if I get the chance to see Lebron, I
want to go see Lebron. I didn't. I haven't yet.
I may not get to as a matter of fact,
but I do think that there are bucket list items
that when you have the opportunity to do it. I'm
glad sometimes that these athletes have let you know, yeah,

(01:48:37):
you know, this is kind of the last hurrah, but
it does give you the opportunity to check that off
your list.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Well, I'm one hundred percent with you on this, by
the way. The one thing, and I don't know why
I started doing this from the get go. I have
all my credentials.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
I have a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
I have them all season credentials, gain credentials dating back
to my days at UCLA. I went through a lot
of these. I had them in sacks, and then I
went through with one of my sons to you know,
separate him by sports and everything else. And boy, you
talk about trips to memory Lane. Some good stuff there,
all right. So I watch episode one of Hard Knocks,

(01:49:16):
and I was stunned because remember the idea was they
couldn't find a team that was agreeing to it. There
were only four teams under the rules they have that
were even eligible, and the most obvious team was the Jets, right,
And it appeared that Aaron Rodgers won and no part
of it, no part of it. So I sit down

(01:49:38):
for episode one and the entire episode is Aaron Rodgers.
I mean there's a scene where Leve Schreiber, you know,
the actor who does the voice work on Hard Knocks,
shows up at Jets camp like he's never done this before,
and Aaron Rodgers is all over him like he's a
huge fan, calls him the voice of God and and

(01:50:00):
he's and then he goes over to the Nathaniel Hackett.
He goes, you got to go say hi to him.
The whole episode is Aaron Rodgers. Like he is literally
demanding the camera beyond him the entire time, the whole show,
and I'm like, what the hell is this? And so
I'm trying to figure this whole dynamic out of Aaron

(01:50:21):
Rodgers in a Jets uniform, Like immediately upon signing with
the Jets, He's at every major New York sporting event.
He's everywhere. He talks openly while that Super Bowl three
trophy is looking really lonely, and I'm watching this different guy.
I'll be kind on Aaron Rodgers. He's different. He marches

(01:50:42):
to a different beat, and I'm thinking, like, what is
his motivation here? Like this is the guy who emerged
from his panic room, if you want to call it
that saying that he was ninety percent certain that he
was going to retire, but timber, the cent of him,
said he was going to come back and it was

(01:51:02):
going to.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
Be as a Jet.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Now he's everywhere, He's promoting self promoting, promoting the Jets,
promoting New York, everything else, And I'm like, what is
what is going through his mind right now? So let
me ask you this. Let's say we get to week
four of the NFL. We're four weeks in and the
AFC East standings have the Bills at four and oho,

(01:51:24):
the Dolphins are three and one, the Pats are at
two and two, and the Jets are one and three.
How quickly do you think we're going to see Aaron
Rodgers meltdown that things are not the way I need
him to be here with the Jets, because I personally
think it's going to come sooner rather than later. If if,

(01:51:46):
and there's a very real possibility this could happen, they
don't get off to the kind of start that Aaron
Rodgers envisions.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
Credit to Aaron Rodgers for doing and saying the right
things over the last couple of months and politically being
very stavvy. I think that the way you have to
always look at anything involving Aaron Rodgers is through the
prism of what he cares about, which is him. It's
always him. The way that he is acting towards the

(01:52:14):
Jets is not so veiled a shot at the Packers,
like yeah, it was you, not me. It's almost like
this is a guy that you wanted, but I hated you.
It's almost spiteful. It feels almost spiteful. But he's doing
he's saying all the right things. Their first four games
Bill's Cowboys Patriots, Chiefs not the easiest four games to

(01:52:35):
start your schedule by any story of the imagination.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
And that's a road game against the Cowboys one in
three is very real possibility.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
It is, It definitely is. I don't know how fast
that it happens, but I do know that Aaron Rodgers
saying he wanted no part of Hard Knocks is It's
about as believable on the surface as Harry and Megan
Markle saying that they're tired of not being able to

(01:53:04):
live out of the public eye, but then having multiple
podcasts and Harry releasing the book and Megan Markle probably
being married to him specifically because of who he is
and how much camera time it was going to present
for her. It's just like, I don't care what you say,
I care what you do. Aaron Rodgers found the camera.
The camera loves Aaron Rodgers, and Aaron Rodgers. I mean,

(01:53:28):
it would be hard for me not to suggest he's
a narcissist. Right. Most pro quarterbacks have heard so many
good things about themselves. There's so much pressure on them,
so many cameras on them all the time, it's hard
for them not to be kind of self involved in
narcissistic Me. I feel like, yeah, I don't want any
part of hard knocks, but if you're here, you might
as well focus on me the entire time. So I'm

(01:53:50):
gonna make myself as interesting and as marketable as possible.
I just the thing with Aaron Rodgers, as always, the
way to determine what's gonna happen is what benefits Aaron
Rodgers the most, and that generally, I'd say eighty five
percent of the time, that's going to be exactly what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Well, if they start one in three and again home
games against the Bills and the Chiefs are very losable games,
both in prime time. Hope they get a win at
home against the Pass But if they're one in three
and they go to play your Broncos in Denver in
week five and lose that game because the week after

(01:54:26):
that they get to host the Eagles. Yeah, and then
they have a bye week. I mean, potentially, this could
be a really rough start. Imagine if they were two
and four or one in five during the bye week
in New York, the spotlight on Aaron Rodgers. Hello. And

(01:54:47):
by the way, their first game out of the bye
at the Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
I mean, it's unreal.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
I mean, the potential there for or a disaster is looming.
And but this is why you know, this is why
you know I do TV for the last twenty five years,
and we'll just have that one segment or it's one
accident after another, you know, the whole segment is about
death and accidents and everything else. People people watch, they

(01:55:18):
want to see that. So, by the way, there's another
program on TV featuring a very well known sports figure,
Johnny Manziel. Something we learned from this that isn't particularly good.
We'll tell you why. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin,

(01:55:39):
Jason Martin, Fox Sports Sunday live from the tire rack
dot Com studios. So, Jmartin, have you had a chance
to see the Johnny Manziel untold, M.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
Yeah, it's something else. Yeah, it's something else, and it's
kind of sad.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
I thought the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:56:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
I don't want to be spoiler alert on this whole thing,
but usually when you have a story like this, you know,
you tell all and it's it's almost it's a self
produced piece. I mean, Manziel wanted it out there. In fact,
he just posted something he said on his Twitter account,
glad I could tell my story and be able to

(01:56:23):
put a chapter of my life behind me. Very thankful
for all the support over the last week. It truly
means a lot. But usually when you have rags to
riches and then riches to rag story, it usually ends
on a high note. This does not like the end

(01:56:44):
of this is like okay, like it's not going great
for Johnny Manziel at all.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
Someone also pointed out here saying, I'm watching Johnny Manziel untold,
I'm confused by something. Manziel is on Netflix with his
best friend talking about all the illegal stuff they were doing.
What's the difference between the stuff he's doing and keeping
his heisman and Reggie Bush getting stripped for his And

(01:57:16):
then Manziel responded by saying, I would like to see
nothing better than Reggie get his heisman back. I mean,
the details of everything that he was involved with after
winning the Heisman. I mean it is so over the top.
I mean, what was your general thought here when you
watch this, because I will say this about Manzel when

(01:57:38):
I watched him, I will say this today, and I've
been watching college football for a long time. He is
one of the five most exciting players ever. I'm talking
about can't keep your eyes on anyone other than him
when he's on the field. That's how dynamic he was
at Texas A and M. And by the way, I
believe I was the old I was the first national

(01:58:00):
sports radio guy to utter his name on the air,
was like four weeks into his freshman season. I do
a Heisman countdown because I've had a Heisman vote for
all these years, and I said, and my current number
one is Johnny Manzell. It's not Manziel, It's not Manziel,
It's Manzell. Everyone's like, who the hell is Johnny manzie Go.
He's the quarterback at A and M. He's a freshman

(01:58:21):
and he is unreal. But what was your takeaway from
what we saw there?

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
Well, I mean, I think I think we could have
kind of written this story without watching it to some degree,
because if you've read some of the things about Manziel's
family and everything that happened even while he was in college,
this guy was enabled by everyone around him. He was

(01:58:47):
told so many things about himself, and I think he
got used to a universe where he thought it was
always going to be this way. He thought it was
always going to come. He thought that he could just
draw it up in the dirt, so to speak, even
in the NFL, he could do what he had done
throughout some of his time at A and M. But

(01:59:09):
that he was just that special, that gifted, that unique,
that one in a million, and it came crashing down.
And we had Bernie Frado on last nighte Bernie made
kind of a similar point, and he suggested, you know,
watching the documentary, this is a guy who didn't even
look at the playbook, right, m hm. This is the
guy who had it on his iPad and never even
looked at it. What was at zero point zero hours yeah,

(01:59:30):
that they said in the documentary. He just didn't even
he didn't prepare, and then by the time he realized
he had to, he was so far behind that it
didn't even matter. And what you're saying about him as
a college player could not be more true. You could
not take your eyes off of a Manzell led A
and m offense. It was scintillating, scintillating, scintillating.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
Oh it was. It was unbelievable. And then he talked
about when he joined the Browns like I don't want
to be here. I don't want to be here. And
then the things about like the wealth of his family
was actually exaggerated. I mean, it really was a mind
blowing documentary. But in the end it's like, Okay, now

(02:00:16):
what And there's no answer to that. No, he's got
a lot of life ahead of him, and what exactly
is he going to do? I just I And by
the way, I also raise his name, image and likeness, right,
I mean it was because of Manziel who generated hundreds
of millions of dollars for Texas A and m hundreds

(02:00:38):
of millions of dollars. He should have gotten his just too,
and he took it upon himself to get it and
then his world fell apart. All right, we got a
lot more to come coming up here. Just keep it
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(02:01:25):
we have a lot of comments, good and bad. I mean,
you know, one thing I found out in the very beginning,
because I got started in this industry before there was
any of this. There was no Internet or anything else.
I remember we used to get faxes, you know, like
like we had a fax machine and people might call
in and say, hey, you're the greatest, or you suck

(02:01:45):
or whatever, you know, back and forth. And the one
the one fun thing about social media for me is
you think that like there are no fans maybe of
a team, and then you find that there's one, and
I have found that today a guy by the name
of Paul apparently is the one LA Charger fan. Oh yeah,

(02:02:13):
he He's sent me a series of tweets saying that
the Chargers made the right decision moving to Los Angeles,
that any talk about them negatively is totally antiquated, and
that's great. My son, my younger son, is a huge

(02:02:33):
Chargers fan, like a huge.

Speaker 3 (02:02:35):
Just two.

Speaker 2 (02:02:36):
So there's two here, here's here's reality. So they do
marketing surveys in our industry all the time, because the
most important thing in our industry is to try to
figure out who's listening, and then you market toward the listener.
And so in the LA market, as far as football

(02:02:58):
is concerned, the latest and this is from people that
work directly in the industry, and this is what their
job is to do to figure out, like who should
we be talking more about the Rams or the Chargers.
And the answer is, in the LA market, the Raiders,

(02:03:24):
the Raiders, the interest fans that identify themselves as NFL
fans in the city of Los Angeles. When asked who
is the team that you follow most, it's not even close.
It is still the Raiders over the Rams and Chargers,
in fact, Rams Chargers combined. I work for an LA

(02:03:48):
TV station and we are carrying the game that is
just kicking off right now between the Raiders and the
forty nine Ers. What were your thoughts when the Raiders
made the move to Las Vegas. Did you ever think
you would see the day that the NFL would have
a team in Las Vegas.

Speaker 3 (02:04:07):
No, but I mean where sports betting has gone, and
just being in a city like that, it ends up
making sense. Maybe not necessarily because it was the Raiders,
but to that part of the argument. Most of the
people at Fox that I have dealt with through the years,
producers and various people that I've worked with, I think

(02:04:27):
I've known one guy that's a Rams fan. No one's
ever said anything about the Chargers. I think Eddie Garcia's
wife is a Chargers fan, but he's a Steelers fan,
I believe is right. And then everybody is Raiders. Danny
G is Raiders. Rob G is Raiders. Almost everybody was Raiders,
and I would run into him and we would have

(02:04:49):
great rivalry conversations because as a Broncos fan, obviously Broncos
Raiders was the rivalry for me. And so we had
a lot of fun, you know, smack talking each other
year after year and all that. But that's not really surprising.
I mean the Chargers. The Chargers to me, I am
outside of the Jordan Love situation in Green Bay. I

(02:05:10):
think the Chargers might be the most interesting storyline in
the NFL this year because I think they made a
mistake bringing their head coach back. Yes, and they gave
Justin Herbert the bag. He secured the bag and you
know who he is. But it doesn't matter if he's
going out there with one hand tie behind his back,
are handcuffed because of late games situations, common sense bag

(02:05:33):
coaching calls, and things of that nature. I hope Brandon
state he proves me wrong. By the way, I don't
care about being right. I want to see the best
version of football I can see. I also believe, though,
in the Peter principle, and sometimes you step one degree
higher than you should be. You know this, Steve. There's
some guys that are awesome coordinators who are terrible head
coaches that just can't get that job done. There's some

(02:05:55):
people that are great governors but can't actually rise to
the level of president or can't actually do the Senate
roll or whatever it might be. There's somebody in your
company right now that probably has a job that is
one step higher than they should have, and eventually that
gets figured out. And that's kind of where I am
on Staley is I kind of sense that that's the

(02:06:16):
case with him. But the fact that the Raiders are
in Vegas, I felt like maybe they would have gotten
a different franchise than the Raiders just because there were
a lot of Raiders fans in LA, because I talked
to him on a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
Brandon Staley, think about this for a second. If you
did not have Justin Herbert as your quarterback, Oh my goodness,
how many games would this team win? His you know,
going forward on fourth down. I mean that debacle against
the Raiders a couple of years ago, and then his

(02:06:50):
constant defensive Like this is one of those guys that
looks at you cross eyed if you question any one
of his decisions. All I know is that he was
the architect of one of the greatest playoff collapses in history.
Like it's almost impossible to lose an NFL game when
you're up four touchdowns. It's almost impossible. Like everything has

(02:07:15):
to go right for the other teams, and everything has
to go wrong for you, and it did. And so
Dug Peterson goes in that locker room changes the entire
dynamic of that game. And he had no answers, none
other than please Justin Herbert save me. It didn't happen.

(02:07:39):
I couldn't agree with him more. I believe the Chargers.
You have obviously one of the most gifted quarterbacks in
the league. There's no denying the talent of Justin Herbert.
But we also know that Brandon Staley was hired on
the strength of his resume as the defensive coordinator of
the Rams when he had Aaron Donald the peak of
his power, and the Chargers defense is bad, bad, so

(02:08:07):
that was supposed to be what he was going to
resurrect for this team. So I'm with you on the Chargers,
and look for the one Charger fan that keeps sending
me tweets. I'm with you, man, I am I say
this to my son. I'm happy that you haven't jumped
off what you love, no matter how bad the situation,
no matter how inept the ownership of this organization is,

(02:08:29):
or the coach or the general manager or anything else.
They can't help themselves, but they do have a great
quarterback to at least keep your head barely above water. Yeah,
I'm with you, man, I think this.

Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:08:42):
The staly thing is what's gonna be interesting. Is is
Kellen Moore going to fix some of this? Is he
going to be the common sense guy? It's like Brandon,
what are you doing? Yeah, we need to do this,
And maybe that's going to be what he needs. Maybe
he needs somebody to check him because you talked about
the cross Eide looked at him in press conferences when
you challenge him. That's because for some reason, he has

(02:09:04):
a shrine to Excel spreadsheets. He has a shrine in
his office or in his home somewhere where he just
bows down to the almighty spreadsheet, the almighty analytics numbers,
and he's baffled when all of that stuff doesn't necessarily
work on the field. And the challenge is, but wait,

(02:09:25):
Excel told me there was an eighty one percent chance
of this happening. Yeah, but there's also a nineteen percent
chance of it not happening. And you have to actually
look at what's happening on the field. You can't just
bury your head in a book and expect to understand
how the world works. You have to go live and read.
You have to do both of these two things. And
I think that he leans so heavily on one side

(02:09:48):
to the neglect of the other. There's got to be
some better balance of what you have on a spreadsheet,
what you have laminated, what you have in a notebook
or an iPad, and actual eye test experience on the field.
That's what happen is in a situation.

Speaker 2 (02:10:05):
I can have anybody read a sheet. Absolutely, I don't
need a head coach. If all you're going to do
is go by the percentages on a sheet, that is
not coaching. I have the same problem with baseball managers.
You know well it said, you know this was a
good no. No, no, no, no no. This is why

(02:10:26):
I love like the Bruce Boucheese of the world. I
know Boach since his Padre days. Boach is a guy.
Hey show me the numbers. I'm interested in the numbers
and they will be part of the equation in my
decision making. But if you can't get a feel for
a game. I took my boys to their first SOFI
game two years ago Staley's first year. They're playing the

(02:10:48):
Chiefs at home. Okay, they're playing the Chiefs and they
had the ball the Chargers. We are actually ends on
seeds second level and we're watching this front row seed
type situation. They just butchered this. They had I pull
opportunities to kick a field goal and get points on
the board. Instead they kept going for it, ended up

(02:11:08):
with no points and ended up losing the game in
over time. And then asked about it after the game,
He's like, wow, you know we made the right move.
Now you did, and you made the wrong move. It
wasn't working.

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
Yeah, Well, look I'm gonna I want you to go
with me on this. I haven't done this throughout the
course of the show, but I did mention earlier, and
a lot of times I go to this analogy because
it generally works. I worked in pro wrestling for a
very long time, wrote about it for even longer, have
hosted multiple radio shows through the years on it. It's
been a passion of mine and something that's helped me
make a living for a long time. And there is

(02:11:47):
something to the way that it used to be done
where the guys that were going to perform in the
ring did not sit in the back and plan out
everything that was going to happen. You knew a bit
of a skeleton, but you got out there and you
worked on feel. You worked on what the crowd was
offering you. And I remember being in locker rooms around
the turn of the century and having some of the

(02:12:09):
older guys that were there basically just laugh off what
some of the new crop was doing because they were
sitting in the back and literally going through the match
in front of us in the locker room, like you're
gonna do this, and you're gonna do this, and you're
gonna do this, You're gonna do this. And I remember
a legend I won't name him, but I remember a
legend walking up to one of those guys and saying, Hey, guys,
I got a question for you. What happens if the

(02:12:31):
crowd's not buying that bleep? What happens if they don't
respond to all that you're setting up? And they just
it was like deer in headlights. No one had ever
set it to him that way. It's like, no, you
have to work on what's actually happening just because you
think something's gonna happen because it's in front of you,
or because you have it scripted out. That's not how

(02:12:52):
it works. The actual job is being able to bring
people off their seats and take them on a roller
coaster ride of ems to tell a story in the
ring that makes sense. It's not to go through seventy
five athletic moves that don't connect at all to the audience,
and don't take the grandmother that's on the front row
that used to hit this legend with a loaded pocketbook

(02:13:15):
whenever he came by. It's just sitting there watching this
stuff happen. And to me, it's similar to this analytics deal.
I'm not anti analytics, I am anti no balance when
it comes to your analytics. Your analytics, you need an
analytics department, but you also need a I have eyes department,
and I understand football department, and I think that's what

(02:13:37):
the Chargers have been lacking in this daily regime over
the past two seasons.

Speaker 2 (02:13:44):
Every time I hear someone trying to say it's not
on the coach, then my retort has always sys, then
why is he there? What is the purpose of coach?
If you say, well, the coach didn't fumble or this,

(02:14:05):
what exactly is he there to do? The answer is
he is there. The only stat a coach has is
wins and losses. That's their only stat, and so their
job is to win, however they go about it. So
the idea of having some kind of built in excuse

(02:14:27):
saying while the numbers say it's gonna work far more
times than it's going to fail, and it just failed,
that's not on me. And then I'm like, then why
are you here? Then? What purpose do you serve?

Speaker 3 (02:14:42):
Well? Why? I think the biggest thing is do you
ask one of those people, especially if you know that
that coach is so poor, You're like, hey, would you
trade him for Bill Belichick like back in the day,
or would you trade him for Nick Saban in college football?
And if they say yes, it's like, oh, it's about
the coach, That's all you have to say. At that point.
It's like, because you recognize, if we'd recognize that there
are coaches that are really good, that also has an

(02:15:05):
alternate reality where it also means that there are coaches
that are really bad and it is their fault. Sometimes, yes,
they can't be the ones calling the play, or they
can't be the ones on the field executing the plays,
and to some degree they are handicapped by that, but
they also have to understand how to put their guys
in the best situation to win and not take victories

(02:15:29):
away from them, and that happens far too often, not
just with the Chargers, but across sports.

Speaker 2 (02:15:35):
Is it true one time and a match between a
HAULK Cogan and the Ultimate Warrior that the Warrior is
basically saying I'm pretty much done during the match, and
Hogan said, no, no, no, no, we got seventy thousand people here.
You got a lot more in you, man.

Speaker 3 (02:15:50):
You got a lot more in you. I don't know
if that specific story is true, the fact that the
Ultimate Warrior was blown up in a match at that
point in time, blown up being out gas. Yeah, that's
certainly true. There's no question that's true. That's true of
a lot of guys through the years. And sometimes you
do have to be dragged and sometimes you almost pass out,

(02:16:11):
and you're sort of at the mercy of both your
instincts and the person your dance partner in the ring
to help you tell that story and get you out
of there. The problem for the Warrior was no one
liked the Warrior, especially at that point in time. So
if Hogan thought that he could make him look bad
in that moment. Yeah, man, we got to go ten
more minutes because he knows that the Warrior is going
to be exposed. And the Warrior at that time was

(02:16:33):
his biggest challenger for being the top dog in the
eyes of the fans. And I don't know if you
knew this or not, but holcogin pretty big ego. Oh yeah,
I'm a big fan of himself. I don't know if
you've known that about Hogan through the years. So if
he got the opportunity to kind of maybe push the
Warrior's popularity down a bit by exposing his limitations inside

(02:16:53):
the ring, I would not put it past Terry to
have done that. I'll just say.

Speaker 2 (02:16:59):
That, wow wow, wow, Yeah, I remember that. I remember
that story. For someone like yourself, you would know the answer,
and I like the answer, all right. Coming up on
the other side, this game coming up or just kicking
off right now between the forty nine Ers and the Raiders.
Interesting storylines on both of these teams. We'll explain why

(02:17:21):
this is Fox Sports Sunday. Steve Harbin, Jason Martin, Fox
Sports Sunday. We are live from the tai Iraq Dot
Com Studios. Now, Jason, of course down there in Nashville,
and apparently some thunderstorms have hit. Yesterday we had Jeff
Schwartz on from the Carolinas and he said the humidity

(02:17:43):
was unbearable. Now, Chris, all of a sudden, we have
a weather predicament with Jmark.

Speaker 8 (02:17:52):
Happens this time of year. I lived five years in Savannah, Georgia,
and I made the mistake of moving one time in
July down there. Yeah, I feel I feel Schwartz on
the uh on the heat, on the humidity for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:18:06):
Yeah, I I know people don't want to hear this
in other parts of the country. So there there are
certain advantages from a weather standpoint of living in southern California.
I equate it to this almost everywhere on the planet.

(02:18:27):
Your first thought going into the day is what is
the weather? Right? I mean it's like how hot is
it going to be? How cold is it going to be?
How human is it going to be? Weather is a
factor for most people on this planet. It is not
a factor for people in Southern California. Yeah, it just not.

(02:18:51):
I mean, it's it's I mean, that's that's why there's
there's shock when there's any rain or or any kind
of difference in our weather because the rest of the
world is accustomed to waking up with that thought immediately.

Speaker 8 (02:19:06):
I've lived in places with tornadoes, I've lived in places
with hurricanes out here. I know it's you know, you
got to worry about earthquakes, but there's no warning for
that that's not tied to the weather.

Speaker 6 (02:19:16):
I want to.

Speaker 2 (02:19:16):
Downplay the earthquakes situation. But when I see you remember
the hurricane that ripped through Tuscaloosa.

Speaker 8 (02:19:23):
Oh, yeah, yes, yes, I do. I think I was
in Savannah. What year was that, I might have been
still been.

Speaker 2 (02:19:30):
Like ten years ago something like that.

Speaker 8 (02:19:32):
Yeah, I was in Savannah, and I think we got
some of the storm layover from it.

Speaker 2 (02:19:36):
And I see the path of destruction where you have
blocks miles leveled.

Speaker 8 (02:19:45):
And what's going on in Maui right now is just you.

Speaker 2 (02:19:47):
Know, terribly Already they're saying it is the deadliest wildfire
in US history.

Speaker 8 (02:19:54):
There's a town I know of there that's just completely
wiped off the map.

Speaker 2 (02:19:57):
There's not that left behind is gone. It's gone. So the
very famous place you know, resort there, Mali, and it
is off it has been erased, so hopefully we'll get
Jamar back because they do have a lot to talk about.
By the way, after I'm done with the show today,
I go to my TV gig here in La has

(02:20:18):
mentioned the fact that the Raiders rules supreme still in
the city of Los Angeles, despite two teams that actually
live here, and they're playing the forty nine Ers today
in their first preseason game. Very different dynamics one team. Well,
in some ways, let's face it, it's a transfer of
a quarterback from one of these teams, Jimmy Garoppolo, who

(02:20:42):
by the way, has the seventh highest winning percentage of
any starting quarterback in NFL history, and now he's with
the Raiders. And there's so much to be said about
the dynamic of these teams, but in both cases, it
really starts and ends with their head coach. Kyle Shanahan

(02:21:07):
and Josh McDaniels are considered two of the most savvy
young offensive minds of the last fifteen twenty years in
the NFL, and they have had an opportunity to be
head coaches. In the case of Josh McDaniels, it looked
great for six games. That's why I wanted to sort

(02:21:29):
of bring this up with j Mark because he's a
Broncos fan and six games into his career, remember how
that all started six and zero and he beat Belichick.
Since then, Josh McDaniels record as a head coach is
eleven and twenty eight.

Speaker 8 (02:21:47):
That's not good, Josh McDaniels. I don't know what it
is about. Look, I think we're a few years removed
from the curses of the Belichick tree, that the Belichick
disciples don't work out. But I guess we were getting
one last gas with Matt Patricia and Josh McDaniels. And
it's not like he's This is a guy unlike Patricia.
This isn't a guy who's jumping into a first time

(02:22:09):
being a head coach. He was the head coach before
four the Denver Broncos. He has he's had this experience.
He should know how this goes by now. And the
offense that's given to him in Las Vegas is nothing
short of fantastic. But I don't know this. I want
to ask you, Steve, like this, this doesn't This seems
like the experiment is going to get jettisoned fairly quickly

(02:22:31):
if they can't get it going here right now. They
can't have gone through all these quarterbacks, having DeVante Adams
one of the best receivers out there. And I know
they have some problems with the offensive line, but for Vegas, like,
you can't be the Raiders be in a city like
Las Vegas that's rapidly becoming the mecca for sports and
still be this in yet another year.

Speaker 2 (02:22:52):
Ralph Irvin, who worked here at Fox Sports Radio for
quite a while, stop by my house, which was unexpected
because he lives in Las Vegas. Now I don't know
why he was in the La area. Oh, he told
me I had a doctor appointment or something. So I
asked him, what is going on with the Raiders in
Las Vegas, Like, what's happening there? And he says, well,

(02:23:14):
understand this. The Golden Knights are the team in Las Vegas.
They were born in Las Vegas. You know, they get
to the Stanley Cup Final their first year of existence.
They are the Vegas team, the Raiders.

Speaker 8 (02:23:32):
They're ls team. They are They're California's team, the Vegas's team.

Speaker 2 (02:23:37):
Right, it's not a local team. Their Raider die hards.
I mean, there's no question about that. But they're trying
to in some way distance themselves in their past well
embracing their past, which is always a weird dynamic, right.
I think what made the Golden Knights Vegas is not
the black Hole, let's put it that way. That's that's Oakland.

Speaker 8 (02:23:59):
You've got an event there that people can come out
once a week and it's always and it's set up
for visiting fans to kind of take over as they
make a weekend out of Vegas. But I think what
made the Golden Knights special was their appeal was primarily
not to the people on the strip, but to the
people who are working in Las Vegas. I know these
are the Vegas team. They are the blue collar team

(02:24:20):
of Vegas. I know blue collar as a Detroit sports fan.
It's a very overused word. Everyone thinks they're blue collar,
but that in that case, yes, their fans are blue collar.
It is something that appeals to the Vegas local. Whereas
I don't think the Raiders have made that impact yet
with the Vegas local.

Speaker 2 (02:24:36):
Just because happened. They're still Oakland, they have not had
that impact. I'm not saying it's across the board. Obviously,
there's some Vegas people that have latched on to the Raiders.
I mean they have the NFL, right, but they're not
the Vegas team, not even close. And honestly, with Josh
McDaniel's running the show, I mean when they come out

(02:24:59):
and you know this whole Josh Jacobs fiasco, guy leads
the league in rushing And Josh McDaniel's answer to that was, well,
it wasn't really by design. We didn't plan on Josh
Jacobs to have this kind of a season, Okay, but
he did. If you were send his franchise tag he

(02:25:22):
becomes a free agent, imagine if he then dons a
Broncos uniform or dare say it Chiefs uniform, Like, what
the hell is going on? All right, hopefully we'll get
Jamart back, but first let's find out what is trending
right now. And SOMONSI, yes, somebody again on our Twitter account,

(02:25:43):
which I get so much more activity because you're here.

Speaker 6 (02:25:47):
Yes, they said you're a bad bunny, Stan.

Speaker 2 (02:25:49):
Yeah. And they also questioned, please stop talking about your
love for Taylor's strip and said me, it didn't even
mention you. I'm like, I Ricky Martin, some guy named
UIs Miguel I was bringing up sort of my sacrifice
the idea to go to a Ricky Martin concert, Louis Miguel,
because you were talking about the dads, yes, standing outside

(02:26:12):
of SOFI because their daughters want to see me. I
was trying to make a point here, But this is
why I called selective. Listen.

Speaker 6 (02:26:19):
Yeah, I was about to say, I was about to say.

Speaker 2 (02:26:21):
Nothing that I love Ricky Martin.

Speaker 6 (02:26:24):
I mean maybe you do, but everybody loves Ricky Martin.

Speaker 2 (02:26:26):
Well, was unbelievable. It was so u talk about, it
was so big, the women at that I was in
the midst of that. It was freaking nuts.

Speaker 7 (02:26:38):
I one time saw j Lo and her opening act
was Enrique Igles.

Speaker 6 (02:26:42):
Yes, yes, who I'm a fan of.

Speaker 7 (02:26:44):
But the way women were like, legit melting, yes over.
I was like, wow, because I like him, yeah, but
literally melting.

Speaker 6 (02:26:55):
As he was on stage, I.

Speaker 2 (02:26:58):
Saw women move their by I don't want to get
too much because he cannot not move. My mouth was
a gabe. As a guy, I was just like, I'm.

Speaker 7 (02:27:11):
Sure, but you have any any Ricky Martin song, you
just suddenly start moving, you get into it.

Speaker 6 (02:27:17):
It's impossible. I bet I bet all right.

Speaker 7 (02:27:21):
Well, NFL news coming out of Indianapolis Colts head coach
Shane Steichen says that running back Jonathan Taylor is expected
to return to training camp this week. He doesn't have
a specific date, but he said he'll be back, so
good news there. Free agent pass rusher Jadavian Clowney is
meeting today with the Jacksonville Jaguars. This is according to ESPN,

(02:27:43):
and Game two of today's Week one NFL preseason is underway.
The Las Vegas Raiders have scored first against the San
Francisco forty nine Ers. It's seven zero, one minute to
go in the first quarter again Week one of the preseason.
Earlier today, the Saints did beat the Chiefs twenty He's
six to twenty four. Now let's move on to Major
League Baseball, because, uh, there was a rookie today, an

(02:28:06):
unexpected hero in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (02:28:09):
Full calp.

Speaker 2 (02:28:09):
Here's the stretch, the pitch lin drive lapfield, toward the
line that's gonna get over the who the first two
run it.

Speaker 8 (02:28:20):
Jared Tringolo's career ply rid free run, pinch hit, o
run her big three.

Speaker 2 (02:28:29):
How about that for your first faitjor league homer.

Speaker 7 (02:28:33):
I mean, if you're gonna go out there and hit
your first career homer might as well be a pinch
hit three run shot that gives the Pirates the victory
over the Reds. They have a double headers. This is
just game one. You heard all on the Pirates radio network.
Four to two was the final score. And then of
course there's sho Hey Otawani, who has hit home run number.

Speaker 6 (02:28:52):
Forty one of the season. Really, I can't, I mean,
it doesn't get old, it doesn't get a saying this again.

Speaker 2 (02:29:01):
There is nothing, no player to compare him to.

Speaker 7 (02:29:07):
I really though, really though, it's incredible. And luckily the
Angels are still up. Okay, sometimes I'm telling you show
hey TONI did something great, But the Angels are losing.
Angels are winning. They're beating the Astros two to one
in Houston. It's the top of the ninth inning that
is just getting started. Yankees holding on to their lead
over the Marlins seven to three. Bottom of the ninth.

Speaker 6 (02:29:27):
Inning in Miami.

Speaker 7 (02:29:29):
Miami has a man on first and second. They're down
to their final two outs. Blue Jays look like they
just officially beat the Cubs. Yes, eleven to four was
the final score. Guardians top the Rays nine to two.
The Padres are beating the Diamondbacks three to one. Top
of the second inning. Dodgers have scored first against the Rockies,
one zero, bottom of the second. Giants up on the
Rangers at home, one zero bottom of the third, and

(02:29:50):
the Brewers have scored some more. They're blanking the White
Sox seven zero. They're about to start the bottom of
the ninth inning in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (02:29:58):
Back to you, all right, A great job as Oh?

Speaker 6 (02:30:02):
Yes, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:30:03):
So I'm watching this scoreboard on this Raiders forty nine
Ers game. In the first quarter, Trey Lance starting and
he's already been sacked three times. Yeah, in a preseason game.

Speaker 8 (02:30:17):
There's some rough performances out there, and especially these guys
are starting with their second offensive line, which I don't know,
maybe I got after just some time, but it feels
like offensive line play when you get out of the
starter is just really bad these days.

Speaker 2 (02:30:30):
I just keep going back to this Trey Lance deal
and what the forty nine Ers, and in particular Kyle
Shanahan was thinking. I mean, I know it gave mindset,
well the mindset was is that in his mind, you know,
I've got this incredible offense. Unfortunately I'm limited with Jimmy Garoppolo.

(02:30:57):
I mean, he can't do everything. And honestly, what this
goes back to is what happened with the Chiefs and
Patrick Mahomes. So they had Alex Smith, who, by the way,
if you look at Alex Smith's one lost records, one
of the best in NFL history. Alex Smith was more
than just a serviceable quarterback. He was a winning quarterback.
But in the mind of Andy Reid, they were limited

(02:31:21):
offensively because Alex Smith did not have the skill set
to execute some of the things they wanted to do.
And they see this Patrick Mahomes, who no one was
really talking about. He's coming out of Texas Tech where
everyone's putting up huge numbers anyway, so why is he
any different? Well, they obviously saw something in him and
it was the right move. So from this point on,

(02:31:44):
these coaches, these offensive mind head coaches, are like, I
need a quarterback that has the skill set to execute. So,
you know, Kyle Shannan was convinced that that's Trey Lance,
who had played one year of FCS football, one year
at North Dakota State where they're better than everybody they play.

(02:32:05):
I mean, they're like an FBS school playing at the.

Speaker 8 (02:32:07):
FCS level, like that quarterback class could go down as
a very poor class minus Trevor Lawrence. And we still
need to wait and see what Trevor Lawrence can do
in his third year. But between him Zach Wilson, I mean,
he had they had the chance. I know. The argument
was maybe you take mac Jones there, and obviously they
chose they put their chips in with Lance over Jones.

Speaker 2 (02:32:27):
Well they got their mac Jones in Brock Purdy.

Speaker 3 (02:32:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:32:31):
Yeah, But like you know, we say this and I mean,
this is what we talk about in terms of being enamored.
You know, get back to Anthony Richardson's situation, Like you
see the athleticism and if we can somehow you hope.

Speaker 6 (02:32:47):
It turns into more than that, correct, right.

Speaker 2 (02:32:51):
Or you play it safe and you take the quarterback
that sits in the room and studies the opponent and
does the basics to execute the offense.

Speaker 1 (02:33:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:33:04):
I just I mean, I'm watching Troy. I wish nothing
but the best for this young guy. But again, it
can't be a shock that a kid that comes out
of North Dakota State, playing overmatched opponents week after week,
is having a hard time grasping what it is that

(02:33:25):
Kyle Shanahan is laying out for him to execute the
forty nine Ers offense that he dreams of. So and
it's a rough start today. So he's been sacked three
times already, He's thrown for nine yards on two passes.
I mean it's not looking good.

Speaker 7 (02:33:39):
No, no, no, no, especially when you see others so
far in this preseason that have executed.

Speaker 6 (02:33:45):
Yeah, can have done well.

Speaker 9 (02:33:46):
Can I throw out a thought I had about Trey Lance.
I've been kicking around in my head all off season.
I think that there's a greater than ten percent chance
that Trey Lance is on the Vikings before the season's over.
Interesting because I think the forty nine Ers quarterback situation
is going to be bad enough where Kirk Cousins is
gonna look very desirable.

Speaker 2 (02:34:02):
All right, Well, think about where he could end Tampa,
right Tampa's about Atlanta? I mean, if Desmond Ritter is
not gonna be all that. But honestly, how much are
you giving up for Trey Lance right now? Not much
I need to. I mean, I'm what am I gonna
give up a mid round pick? The idea that Trey
Lance I'm looking at some proposed trades where teams are

(02:34:24):
giving up second and third rough.

Speaker 8 (02:34:26):
No, Trey Lance, no more than a fifth rounder. No
more than a fifth rounder. At this point, He's not
worth anything more than that because you're basically putting your
chips in for a mystery box quarterback who hasn't been
able to see the field and about it since he's
been drafted, has has has had an injury history, and
to be honest, you don't know what he's gonna be.
And it's not like we haven't seen quarterbacks from small
schools succeed before, but and it's not like we've seen

(02:34:49):
a guy give like one good year in college and
still be good in the in the pros, which is
like the Joe Burrow scheme. But yeah, it felt like
this one was just such a huge swing and miss.
Everyone knows it. It's like we were saying last year,
if they believed in Tree Lance, they would have played
him by now, and they don't. The two most important
ingredients and a successful quarterback are accuracy and decision making.

(02:35:19):
The ability to have that instantaneous recognition of what to
do with the football. Either throw it to this guy
that guy, throw it away, eat it, run whatever. The
great quarterbacks can make these decisions in a split second. Yeah,
Tom Brady's the Patrick Mahomes, all the legends can do that.

(02:35:41):
If you can't, you're just going to be.

Speaker 2 (02:35:44):
Another one of the run of the milk quarterbacks that
ends up on the scrap heap.

Speaker 6 (02:35:48):
And that's not something you can teach. No, And it's
more like no.

Speaker 7 (02:35:53):
I know it's a very small sample size, but Trey
Lance doesn't pass the eye test.

Speaker 2 (02:35:58):
He's got too many things going on. Yeah, Shanahan keeps
throwing all this stuff to see this. He's not seeing
it again.

Speaker 8 (02:36:04):
If he was going to see the field, they would
have put him out there already exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:36:08):
All right, Rock Perty can see the field.

Speaker 3 (02:36:11):
Yeh.

Speaker 2 (02:36:12):
He may not have a fraction of the athleticism of
a Trey Lance, but at least he can execute the
place and get the ball in the right hands.

Speaker 3 (02:36:21):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:36:21):
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Speaker 3 (02:36:30):
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Speaker 2 (02:36:43):
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Jason's gone for the no obasion. Oh you're back? Yep, Hey, Jmart,
how are you? Man?

Speaker 3 (02:37:27):
I'm doing well. We got a tornado watching area that
is pale falling. That's not something you guys experienced too
often out there we were.

Speaker 2 (02:37:35):
We were commenting because nobody wants to hear this. Like
I said before, almost everywhere on this planet. Jmart, your
first thought is the weather, and as someone has lived
my whole life in southern California, that's never my first thought.
I mean, we we don't have weather. It's we don't
have seasons. Let's put it that way, like we don't

(02:37:56):
have a fall, because you know, most of the world
like fall and bringer is so beautiful. You know, we
don't have that. It just sort of like lineal just
the same pretty much all the time.

Speaker 3 (02:38:10):
You guys have other things I would I don't like
out there, whether or not one of them. When I
was out there for Anaheim a few years ago in
Anaheim in the first time I've been there in a while,
and it was like it was hot, but it was dry, yes,
and that was fine.

Speaker 2 (02:38:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:38:22):
Here when it's one hundred and ten heat index, which
it has been a couple times in the last few weeks,
and the de points in the high seventies, yes, it's
literally a sauna. There's a massive difference between the heat
out there and the heat here.

Speaker 2 (02:38:35):
Yeah. Well, yesterday I was on with Jeff Schwartz, who
lives down the Carolina, so he had the exact He
actually went golfing, he said, yesterday, and he's a big
man by his own emission, maybe not one hundred percent,
in great shape, and it was like a death march
through that golf course. By the way, I always want
to thank our crew here, Chris working the board today,

(02:38:57):
Chris hanging out all day today. It's good to see
Chris doing a tremendous job. Montsey. Of course, he's just
counting down to now that she's gotten past Taylor Swift.
Now it's the NFL season.

Speaker 6 (02:39:07):
Yes, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 2 (02:39:11):
I'll put it this way. There are a lot more
Taylor Swift fans at so far than there are Charger
fans at a Charger game. That's rue every Charger game
I've been to, there've been way more fans of the
other team in attendance than the actual Charger fans. And
then there's Bo who, of course is our brilliant producer.
And we were talking a little bit here in your

(02:39:34):
unfortunate absence about this Trey Lance situation in San Francisco.
He got sacked by the way three times in the
first quarter of this game. However, he's now heating up
here on his second drive, so he's playing a little
bit better. But we're just like, I'm still trying to
in retrospect the ego of Kyle Shanahan, thinking, I'll look
what Andy Reid did, right, he had Alex Smith, very

(02:39:57):
serviceable quarterback, a playoff quarterback. But I want to do
more with my offense. I need a quarterback that has
more physical tools to execute. They get Mahomes. The rest
is history. I think that's what they were thinking with
Trey Lance, but he just hasn't been able to do it.

Speaker 3 (02:40:13):
It never made sense. I never really got it. I
had so many experts to try to tell me Trey
Lance was it, and I was like, based on what, Yeah, exactly.
But there's a lot of egos these guys. I mean,
Sean Payton kept used in Taysom Hill even though he
had Drew Brees.

Speaker 2 (02:40:25):
So yeah, you know, and again we had the Jared
Goff deal from Matthew Stafford giving up multiple number ones
and they won a Super Bowl. Hey Jason, man, it's
been a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (02:40:34):
Man, Yeah, it has been man.

Speaker 2 (02:40:35):
I've really enjoyed it absolutely. But there's much more to come.
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