Mark Willard and Ephraim Salaam talk Trey Lance’s future and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
I mean, I'm trying to figure out how important is
a really big and I mean e from really big,
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Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm good man. How you doing. I'm doing fantastic.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I just got home from watching a walkoff baseball game,
and so you know that's fun.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
That's fun to me.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'll count me among those who actually now dig this
runner on second in extra innings thing. It's quirky, it's weird,
it's all kinds of unfair, but it also creates all
kinds of situations that are a little bit fun to watch,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, I do. I'm sorry, I'm a little distracted right now?
Why are you distracted in our studio? It's beautiful new
studios and we have all of these televisions.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yes, yes, that's sports radio studio. Should on one of
the TVs. This is a real thing I'm watching right now.
It is the Pillow Fight Championship. The Pillow Fight champion Championship. Yes,

(01:47):
there are two grown men okay, in the middle of
a boxing ring holding they have their wrist taped. Oh
does the back spinning pillow? And they are pillows in
They're fighting in a ring and people are watching. Hmm.
I just can't. I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I've actually do you want to know what's wild? I've
heard of this. I've heard of this. I feel like
I just heard about it, maybe a few days ago.
But yeah, man, I don't know if you've noticed content
within the last kind of maybe since the pandemic straight.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Got weird, it got weird, and maybe I'm the weird one.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Like I started the show off by saying I just
came from a baseball game. Maybe everybody in their twenties
is like, well, that's the end of me listening to
this show, right, I don't know, I don't know. They're like, yeah,
why don't you talk about something relevant like pillow fighting.
Maybe that's how people. I don't know, man, I don't know.
I do know that in this world, when you get old,
it happens fast.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
But yeah, man, that's that's what's out there now, it's YouTube,
it's king.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, they're serious about it. I mean, well, they're breathing hard,
they're looking and we're getting ready to crown the champion.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
And I imagine that someone's getting paid to.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Crown the champion and getting ready to raise his hand.
Who is who is is who? Yeah it's the black guy.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Wow. Okay, goods. I didn't I didn't know. I didn't
know we had different different Uh Leonardo versus Jacob Diaz.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, okay, now I got it. I got it. Congrats
to Leonardo. There you go. Sounds like a sounds like
a dramatic moment, uh for for his career.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
So I know, man, just shrug your shoulders. Shrug your shoulders.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
People bought ticket you know what. I would buy tickets.
I would go see this. I would be like, hey, man, y'all.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, yeah, just grab your grab your attention away from
any boring thing that I was in the process of
trying to say the.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Thing that I would normally say to be cheeky is oh,
you know, and the black people to be doing this,
but it's another match. Getting ready to come on this
dude black two. Yeah, yeah, we are taking over pillow fighting.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
When you wake up in the morning and you try
to get out of bed after what was it, thirteen
years in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's two black dudes fighting each other.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
See there you go, don't you wish insteady? Yes, I
wonder what their pinsion is like. No, Harold Jenkins, one
of them Jinkin boys. Nah as good as yours, Harold Jenkins.
Not as good as your sport.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
All right, let's get back as good as you're sorry. Well, no,
it's all good, it's all. I don't even know if
we were on track yet. But but your sport is
the one where I wanted to start and the reason
I asked like a quick story. This is a true
story from about four or five years ago in my
life when I I had moved from southern California to
northern California for a career move and for a few

(05:08):
months the kids were still finishing up school, so they
hadn't come up yet, and I would go back down
every single weekend and make sure I visited and was
with them every single step that I could until until
they moved on up.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
So one night I was covering a.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Giants game and it ended up going eighteen innings, and
by the time I was done with my postgame duties,
it was close to three in the morning, and I
had promised my daughter that I was gonna be at
her soccer game, which I think started at like eleven
am the next morning, and so it was an obvious

(05:45):
decision to make in that moment. It was, well, I'm
just gonna I'm gonna run home and grab a bag
and just let's keep on trucking. We don't need to
go to sleep because I got to get to the
soccer game. So I'm gonna get in the car and
I'm just gonna go. And yes, I'm gonna pull an
all nighter, and this is gonna be difficult, but we'll
get some coffee and we're gonna rock this joint.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Let's do it, okay, and forever I.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Will remember, I guess maybe not that there was a
stretch of Eye five the highway out here in California
that stretches the entire state, and there was a stretch
of I five that when I arrived at my daughter's
soccer game, I'd go, I don't remember that portion of
the freeway. I don't remember that. I do not remember
that portion of the drive, like I don't. Obviously I

(06:33):
did it because I'm here. I started there and now
I'm here, but I don't remember of the drive. I
know it was before that, but I just like, you know,
Kettleman City, something out there where. I'm just like, I
don't remember passing that.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Now. Did I just zone out? Was I really into
the music?

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I was hoping that. I wasn't asleep for six minutes,
you know what I mean? But I arrived. Everybody's safe,
It's all good. And I use that now to look
at the forty nine er quarterback situation, because what I
would refer to that drive was a very bad decision.
But I didn't pay for it. Nothing bad happened, Everything

(07:15):
was okay. Can we now take that to the forty
nine er quarterback situation and help me help us here
who follow the forty nine ers, tell me if there
is a price to pay if you made a big mistake,
but you didn't have to pay for it. Trey Lance
started today against the Raiders. You'll look at the box

(07:38):
score and see that he was ten to fifteen for
one hundred and twelve yards and a touchdown with a
quarterback rating of one hundred and eleven. Problem is is
the touchdown pass was thrown right to a Raider player,
bounced off of his hands, flew across the end zone,
and ended up in his tight end's hands, and that
changed his quarterback rating from thirty two to one eleven.

(07:59):
That luckys by and large Tray looked like a deer
in headlights.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
It's year three. The forty nine ers.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Moved heaven and earth to get them, and they're not
even planning to play him this year unless Brock Purdy
gets hurt. It appears to be a massive mistake for
which they may not pay. So is it all good
or does someone need to pay for the decision?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I believe.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
What's Have the forty nine ers been successful since they
made that trade?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yes, they've been to back to back NFC title games.
So unless you measure success as Super Bowl or bust, No.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
No, no, no, no, no, you can't, you know, because that's
not fair to any one team because only one team
can win the Super Bowl, but not only one team
is successful, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Each year.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
So they moved having and earth to get this young
man they thought was going to be the next guy.
For twelve years plus, it didn't work out that way,
didn't play a lot of football, really rough around the
edges when he got his opportunity, didn't dazzle us, and

(09:25):
then he got hurt, couldn't stay healthy. So within that
time they found a diamond in the rough and Brock party.
They've addressed a backup quarterback situation with Sam Donald, and
they're consistently being poised and positioned to be one of

(09:49):
the top two teams in the NFC every year, regardless
of the quarterback position, which in itself says something. So
there is no price to pay for the forty nine
ers and what they gave up for Trey Lance, even

(10:09):
though he's not productive, it hasn't put them in a
hole like it has with so many other teams that
go all in on young quarterbacks and it doesn't pan
out acts the Jets right. Ask the Browns, ask a
myriad of the Commanders, Ask the myriad of team a

(10:31):
myriad of teams that have done this very same thing
and have not made the playoffs, not won a playoff game,
not been in an NFC championship or an AFC Championship game.
So when you look at the grand scheme of thing,
to answer your question, no, they don't. They don't have
to pay for it.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, which is.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Crazy to say it is and it's almost impossible. That
can't be the formula for any other team.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
No, oh no, And by the way, a couple of
qualifiers here. Whatever happened on that field today in Las Vegas,
to me, I'm not writing off Trey Lance. The offensive
line in front of him was terrible. The forty nine
Ers played almost no starters, like almost none, possibly none.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Actually, like they really did, and the.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Raiders played so second string versus second string. Like I
take all of this with a grain of salt. However,
Trey Lance in year three, now healthy, given a chance
to play the entire first half, yeah, absolutely, if you're
the forty nine Ers wanted him to look different than that,

(11:45):
there's no question.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well yeah, I mean the only thing he's doing now
is diminishing his trade value.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
So yep, you don't have to move heaven and Earth.
You just have to stay the course. They made a mistake.
It's been three year with three, it's the third going
in the third year, three year three, the mistake has
not come back and bit you in the butt.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Rock Party.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
If he's healthy and continues on the trajectory that he's
been on, you won. You won because just just do
it like this. And I know it doesn't really work
like this in the real world, but in reality, if
you can say, we went all in on Trey Lance

(12:32):
and barely went in on Brock Party, so we'll call
it a wash. We found our quarterback for the next
ten years if it pans out, and we don't have
to pay him anything, so you call it a wash.
Their team is already stacked. They gave up draft capital
and all of that, but they got a stacked young

(12:53):
team already.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Right, And yeah, Rock Party's making about eight hundred and
seventy thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Will make that continuously for the next two years for
the couple. Yep, so exactly right, no big pay bumps.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
If they were like, hey, we want to, you know,
give you a new contract and and and put a
little something on it, they still don't have to get
to that market of quarterbacks right now. But I will
tell you this, if this young man comes out and
continues on the path that he was on the last
six games of the season last year, oh boy, oh boy.

(13:32):
Because he's a seventh round draft pick, the last pick
in the draft, they'll never feel like they have to
pay him like you know, Mahomes until he does something
like get him in the super Bowl, when if he
wins the super Bowl, he can write his own ticket.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yep, yep. So it's all upside.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
They're playing with how after they made the mistake, they're
still playing with house money, And that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
This wild, Yes, it is completely wild, and it does
bring up the question of what to do next based
on what happens in their next two preseason games. You
made an interesting statement there that today Trey Lance lowered
his trade value. So what to do with regard to this.
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should be I'm gonna ask you coming up in a
little bit, maybe right after we get to di sega Ephrom.
Just a very simple question of what are you most
excited about as we get started with this next NFL season?
I think you and I have what today plus maybe
three more shows before we're just going to be rocking
right after the games like there are the if you

(17:16):
count this one, I think four Sundays left without NFL
games that matter and then.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It is on.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
But just to put a ball on what we were
just talking about, So you said that Trey Lance lowered
his trade value.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Today, if you're the forty nine ers, what do you
do here? What do you do here?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
You got a fan base that's still largely anxious to
see the guy play and does not believe he should
be written off yet. However, you've spent real money and time,
and apparently there's excitement at least within the coaching ranks
about Sam Darnold as the backup. And then you bring
in Brandon Allen. He was Joe Burrow's backup last year.

(17:57):
He's QB four right now. He out there and look
pretty good today and they seem to like him and
they give him real practice reps.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
So what do you do here? Let's say there.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Is no trade value, are you keeping Trey Lance as
your backup? Even if and I don't know this to
be the case, but what if Kyle Shanahan come the
end of the month does not feel that Trey Lance
is even his second best quarterback?

Speaker 6 (18:26):
What do you do?

Speaker 3 (18:28):
You don't have to do anything. That is the beauty
of the rookie deal. That is the beauty of Hey,
it didn't work out, We're not suffering. We don't need
to find a replacement for Trey Lance because we already
have one. So this need to find and get some

(18:51):
sort of value back from him isn't present currently. He's
on a rookie deal, in the third year of a
rookie do so you have this year and another year
before you even have to decide to do anything. I'm
almost positive they won't pick up his rookiek his fifth year.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Fifth year, right yep. But until then you don't have
to do anything.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, I guess my question comes from, you're not going
to keep all four No, and the forty nine ers are.
They have a lot of PTSD about quarterback injuries, so
I don't think they want to get rid of a
quarterback who they think may end up needing to play.
So are you just letting Sam Donald or Brandon Allen,

(19:42):
are you letting them off the roster while keeping Trey Lance?
Even if you don't think that Trey Lance is one
of your two or three best options, you.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Will keep Sam Donald. They really like Sam. They know
if unfor some situations happen, Sam can come in and
win in ball games, they can't. And I think in
this system, in the Kyle Shanahan system, I think he
could be tremendously effective, especially with the talent around him offensively.

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And you're gonna keep Trey Lance. You're gonna keep Trey Lance.
Trey Lance to be number three. He'll move up to
number two if one of the you know, unforeseen things
happened to the quarterback, and then you're fine. You may
relegate Alan to practice squad. I don't know if he'd

(20:37):
stay there.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
He's too experienced to end up on a practice squad,
don't you think?

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Then so be it. But you're gonna keep three? Yeah? Yeah,
I just wow.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I mean, honestly, it's never I don't recall ever really
seeing anything like this. We've seen high level draft picks
that you know, within a couple of years, a fan
base may have turned on him, a coaching staff may
have turned on him, But that's usually after that young
man has you.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Know, played football. Not this time.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
I mean the number three overall pick in the draft
and three years worth of first round draft capital.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
And he's got four starts. He's got four starts.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
So people who are frustrated by the lack of even
getting to see him play, and I would imagine his
own frustration. Yes, injuries were involved, but there is a
point there. There is a point there where it's like,
how can you how can you make a move like
that and then just never find out, just never play.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Well, they gave him opportunity. It's not like they didn't
give him an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
So it we can't sit here and say, well, they
didn't give him a chance. Man, they didn't give Remember
they ran out of quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, a lot of people do feel that way. I
agree with you. I will let you.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Know the way he was the starter last year to
open that sea play five quarters, and he played five quarters.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Whose fault is that? Is that? The forty nine ers.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
You'd be shocked at how many people do believe that. Yes,
that's ridiculous. They believe they believe that Trey Lance was
run up the middle of the field way too much
and it put him in harm's way.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, I can't make the proper read and throw the
ball down the field. Then they weren't running Brock Party
up the middle, were they?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Could Brock Perdy throw the ball down the field probably
the best throw of the football they had on their roster,
including Garroppolo.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
For down the field. Yes, yes, so if you.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Can't connect, We've seen Trey miss On targets down the field,
throw the ball late, not have the proper reads. We've
seen all of that. Now, the forty nine ers aren't
in a rebuild year. They're not in a normally win
a team drafts a quarterback within the top three or
top five. They are in a rebuild situation that is

(23:19):
not the forty nine ers. They're in a win now situation.
Just like us on this show. We're in a win
now situation. So if we want to win now, then
we must. We must. It's imperative that we bring in
Steve w de Sager.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Got to go with a guy there we go.

Speaker 6 (23:44):
Good evening, gentlemen, Good to be what you wants today.

Speaker 8 (23:48):
You know, we've talked about the Oakland A's maybe a
few times on this show Maria Sundays.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Give me More, Give me More. I love it when
you do the apes. Go ahead of love it when
you do this bed. It's really funny. Go ahead.

Speaker 8 (23:57):
Well, the A's are just doing a these kinds of things.
Let's just say that this weekend, playing one of the
other worst teams in baseball, the Washington Nationals, the A's
gave up six runs in the bottom of the knights
to lose eight to seven at Washington. God, so the
A's are now thirty three and eighty five.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Hey, did you all see this play yesterday? This young
pitcher for the A's that got the comebacker and you
know the real quick comebacker where the pitcher can just
kind of run himself over to first base and ran
over to first base and first baseman then covered first
base and he sort of got confused as to whether
he's going to do it himself or maybe toss the

(24:38):
ball and he just kind of lollygag for a second.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Nationals players running hard the whole time.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Beat it out, just beat it And did you see
this play? Never see this play? Nobody all we gotta
go watch.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
This is the funniest video in baseball that.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
You will see all year long, little leaguers were throwing
hot dog rappers at They're like, how.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Could you do that? Like seriously, it was unbelievable.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
Well, the Dodgers have been playing the worst team in
the National League, Colorado, this weekend and watching them, it's
just one day after another, one play after another that says,
you know what, that's what a last place team looks like.
Ye a play like that. Yep, Dodgers won their eighth
in a row. Who cares if they get to play
Colorado and Oakland all The w count eight.

Speaker 6 (25:24):
Three the final today.

Speaker 8 (25:26):
Julio Arius the winning pitcher with twelve strikeouts. Yankees going
in the opposite direction, Yanks gave up five runs in
the bottom of the ninth at Miami. Marlins eight seven.
The final victories for Cleveland and Minnesota. Victories for Boston
and Toronto. There's a double header at Pittsburgh. The Pirates
won the opener against the Reds four to two. In
the nightcap at Pittsburgh, Pirates are winning four to three

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in the bottom of the seventh. The regularly scheduled Sunday
Night Bowl games in New York Atlanta over the Mets.
So far, three to one in the top of the
fifth inning. The Angel show Heyo Tani hit his forty
first home run and it was in a win at
Houston two to one.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
He will not.

Speaker 8 (26:02):
Pitch this week due to arm fatigue. By the way,
San Francisco with the ten inning win over Texas three
to two, Baltimore a ten inning win at Seattle five
to three, Arizona down the Padres five to four. Two
NFL exhibitions, Las Vegas at home beat San Francisco thirty
four to seven. As you mentioned, Trey Lance of the
Niners started and was sacked four times, went three and

(26:23):
out on the first three series. Daniel Carlson kicked second
half field goals of fifty three and forty six yards
for the Raiders. New Orleans at home edge Kansas City
twenty six twenty four, but Saints third round running back
Kendrey Miller left with a knee injury. The team says
it's a sprain. New Orleans led seventeen nothing early in
the second quarter with touchdown passes from Derreck Carr and

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Jamis Winston.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Winston was sacked three times today.

Speaker 8 (26:49):
The Colts expect running back Jonathan Taylor to return to
camp this week after rehabbing an ankle injury. He's still
on the pup list. Taylor will be a free agent
after this season. He still wants to be traded. Michael
McDowell won NASCAR's race on the Indie Road Course, so
he'll be in the playoffs. Chase Elliot needing a victory
to advance finish second. Lucas Glover has defeated Patrick Cantley

(27:10):
in a playoff to win the Saint Jude Tournament, and
USA Basketball won its exhibition at Top Rank Spain ninety
eight to eighty eight, twenty one points for Jalen Brunson.
I say top rank Spain because I had to look
this up. They haven't had They haven't had fever rankings
since February apparently, and Spain's been ranked number one this
whole time, barely edging out number two US in there.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
I don't know voting formula.

Speaker 8 (27:34):
I have no idea how they arrive at this or
what we did to deserve this, but there you go.
USA basketball has exhibitions again this Saturday on FS one
against Greece and Sunday on Fox TV against Germany, both
at noon Eastern time. These are all tune ups for
the Feeble World Cup that starts at the end of
the month in Asia.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Back to you, all right, So you're telling me that
the USA was an underdog in this game.

Speaker 8 (27:57):
Than getting points. This was an actual goal too. So
it's an exhibition against Spain in Spain in Spain.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, Could I go on the betting app and get
the US plus three and a half or something in
this basketball game?

Speaker 8 (28:09):
Is it possible you can bet preseason games all over
other sports?

Speaker 6 (28:12):
I don't see why not this.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I don't see why not. Wow, that is that's weird
to hear. My ear perked up when you said that.
That's pretty interesting. Good stuff. As always, Steve, We'll talk
to you again shortly. We're liventhetirack dot com Studios. Mark
ward E from Salami from if I just like the
world is your oyster on this question? Like beyond the obvious,
and I guess the obvious in this case would just

(28:36):
be you know, NFL like we love it above all else.
Beyond that answer, what are you most excited about with
this upcoming season.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
I'm really excited about the next steps. Right when you
look at the success of some of the young quarterbacks and.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Most of all, Justin Fields. Okay, right now.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
He came out in this preseason game and I get
in this preseason he threw three passes for one hundred
and twenty five yards, two for touchdowns. And to me,
I'm like, okay, all right, because we had this same
thought in conversation about Jalen Hurts prior to last year.

(29:30):
Remember what are what is he going to do? What
are the Philadelphia Eagles going to do with him? Are
this is a naking a breaking year for him? Is
he going to be replaced? All of these things we're
circling around, and he came out and shut everybody up

(29:51):
all the way to the Super Bowl. And I'm looking
to see which one of these young quarterbacks can take
that next step the Trevor Lawrence after having a real
year of of of a solid foundation and and and
culture in Jacksonville. I'm looking to see if Justin Fields

(30:16):
can not be one of the greatest running quarterbacks of
all time, uh, but an actual quarterback that can manage
big take and and and and lead his team to victory.
That I'm that's I'm so excited for that. I want
to see if brock Party coming back from the injury
can continue where we where we were so excited, where

(30:39):
he left off in the NFC Championship game. That's what
I'm looking forward to. I can't I can't wait. I
want I like your answer. I want to ask you
this about fields. You mentioned the two touchdowns. Did you
see him? Did you look at the highlights?

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yes? You did? Yeah, so you know you know that
Justin's two throws both traveled about three yards. To get it,
I get it now.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Not to take anything away from him, because I would
actually argue that the Bears last year had the worst
collection of skill position talent, as.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
They call it.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
They actually all have skills, but the skill position talent,
the running backs, the wide receivers and the tight ends.
I would argue the Bears was right there with the
worst collection of skill position players in the entire NFL.
So granted, one of these long touchdown runs was by
Khalil Herbert, and he was there last year, but he

(31:36):
wasn't their lead back.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
This year he is, and he.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Never had anyone who was even worthy of being what
I think is a true wide receiver two, let alone
a wide receiver one. And now he's got DJ Moore
and so that will change his life, like right right,
So that is a factor, and it's worthwhile now in

(32:00):
discussion about what was holding justin fields back before. Among
those things, some of them are on him and some
of them were on the roster.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Oh, they had a terrible roster. You're absolutely right about that.
Another one of the things that I'm and i'm me
and everybody else in the world who follows the NFL.
I'm very excited to see what Lamar Jackson looks like
in this new offense, this new pass first offense, something
we haven't seen in Lamar's tenure at quarterback. There you optimistic,

(32:36):
I am, I'm very optimistic. I mean talent in this talent.
He clearly has the talent to do anything he wants
on the football field, But can we do it in
the context of the offense on a scheduled offense, I
should say, opposed to making these plays off schedule and
just being great on his own.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm looking around the leg based on your answer, and
I would say that maybe there are six, maybe seven
quarterbacks that fit your description where we need to see
what do you got next? And some of them fit
what you were just saying, young guy coming into his own.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Some of them don't fit.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
That description at all, but they they also still remain
in that situation. We can run through that list here
coming up in just a second with e from Salam.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It's Mark Willard on Fox.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Sports Radio, Okay, Live in the tire Rack dot Com Studios,
Ephrom Salam, Mark Willard, Ephram.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Here here's my list.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Because you said you're really looking forward to some young
quarterbacks to seeing what their next step is. I got
I got a few of those, and then I got
some old ones who I want to see what their
next step is.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
What is Jared Goff's next step is?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
What is Geno Smith's next step? These guys have been
around for a minute. One of them has been to
a super Bowl. Left for dead Gino Smith? Of course
they wrote him off. He didn't right back. He went
to the playoffs. Jared Goff almost did. We've all decided
that Jared Goff is going this year. Maybe we're a

(34:21):
little bit cart before the horse there. But there's young,
there's old, and then there's tweener. For me, the young
ones you sort of mentioned it, I got Fields, Trevor Lawrence,
Rock Party.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
What do you have for an encore? Maybe to two.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
And then there's the Tweener, which for me is justin
Herbert and maybe we should still just call him a
young quarterback, but it feels like he's been anointed as one.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Of the elites for a few years.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Already, and so I'd really like to see that end up. Yes,
he made the playoffs last year year. Yes, his offense
looked good in the first half of that game. But
does he actually join the Mahomes, the Allens, the Burroughs,
or does he just continue to do that in the
fantasy realm? And then the old guys Golf, Gino Smith,

(35:18):
those are the guys I'm really looking forward to seeing
what they've got for an encore.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, I think this is the season of next steps,
and it could refer to a young quarterback, or it
can refer to an old quarterback like you just mentioned.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Russell Wilson. What's his next step? Oh?

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Good lord, we haven't seen him be good. I mean
that was a rough Yeah, that was a rough first outing.
That was a rough first outing. And I'm talking about
this preseason. Yeah, yesterday, but now yes, yeahs ago, whatever
it was.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Were you surprised that he was out there that much?

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Well, I think Sean wants him to get a handle
on things. He was so bad last year. I think
he's trying to get some of his confidence back. I'm
not quite sure that was what happened in that game.
Offensive line's got to do a better job. He's got
to get rid of the ball. But the last thing
you want is your starting quarterback, your franchise quarterback, taking

(36:23):
hits in the preseason. That's the last thing you want.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I get it.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I feel like you and I actually even talked about
it last week.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Russell Wilson should play this preseason because they do have
whether it's rust to shake off or just bad vibes
or whatever it is that happened last year, and so
you've got a whole new system and all of that.
But gosh, he played, not just go out there and
get some reps.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Like he played a lot and he got hit a lot.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
So if your offensive line, and I have no idea
if those were the starters or not, I would assume
they mostly were. If you're gonna play Russell Wilson, you're
gonna put your good protection.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
In front of him, I think. But like I got to.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Concern either way, either you're putting Russell Wilson in front
of second stringers or if those are your first stringers, woof,
because I mean he couldn't even get he couldn't even
get to his seventh step on the seventh step drop.
He couldn't even get there, and they were in his face.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
It was pretty tough man.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Uh So I really want to see how that's gonna
shake out, because it didn't look good at all. Didn't
look good at all just from what we saw. He
played extended minutes, got banged around a little bit, didn't
look comfortable and it didn't look comfortable in the offense
to me, And so really interested to see what his

(37:59):
next step is because if he steps, if he continues
to step down this cliff that he was on, then
this is this It's over. It's over. So yeah, man,
like Jared Goff, is it a rebirth? Be a great story,

(38:19):
great story for him to to to regain his winning
ways in his confidence, because you can be shaken professional athletes.
You can lose your confidence, that's a real thing for sure.
And can you get it back? Can you?

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Well? Can? Yeah? You know what?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Golf is this example of something that admittedly, like I
waffle on this, I'd love to hear what you think,
because I go back and forth on this, and that
is is the team about the great quarterback? Or is
the great quarterback a production of the team. Tom Brady

(39:03):
is the most recent example of like, well, look he
was there and they were good, and then he went
over there and then they were good, and so you're like,
it's the quarterback. But then if you follow, for instance,
teams like how about what the Rams did? Matt Stafford
was one thing. His whole life goes to the Rams.
Poof Super Bowl. You hear it a lot with the

(39:24):
forty nine ers, Jimmy Garoppolo now Brock Purdy, always a
product of a great system and great teammates.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Jared Golf last year was all.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Of a sudden out front of a pretty high flying offense,
which even when he was good with the Rams, I
don't know that I would have ever referred to him
that way.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
No, they was putting up points in boat lows. Man.
They just couldn't stop anybody, right right, So I don't know, man,
which is it chicken of the egg?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
We'll find out. We'll find out this year. That's what
this segment was about what are we looking forward to?
What are we most interested in seeing? And I think
we're aligned in that it seems like it's coming off
from the quarterback position, old young, new it.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
You know, I tell you what, Derek car looked good. Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I mean the Saints should should probably win that division.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
The way the James Winston look good. They got two
quarterbacks out there, they.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Might have the two best quarterbacks in the entire division
quite frankly.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
So.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
All right, So some more whirl around NFL questions based
on the start of this season coming up next with
me from Salama Mark Willard, and we will continue right
here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2 (41:00):
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Speaker 2 (41:36):
What if I jumped in just to a few kind
of whirl around NFL questions that I had, And I
want to know how you'd answer some of these, because
we always sit there this time of year and there
is a presumptive winner of every division, like it's already set.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
It's usually just the team who won last year.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Or if there's some sort of kind of I don't know,
seismic shift in the way a division looks, such as
Aaron Rodgers leaving a division, Like we've all decided that
Detroit has won the division already, so that's done.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Philadelphia is gonna win. I think we've.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Crowned New Orleans the forty nine ers. Those are your
four division winners in the NFC. Chiefs, the Bengals, the Jags,
the Bills. Done right, I'd bet a billion dollars that
it won't go that way, A billion that I would
bet a billion dollars that it won't go that way.
So what if I asked it to you this way.

(42:37):
I pulled the top ten teams in NFL Super Bowl
odds this year. You tell me which one is most
likely to miss the playoffs entirely. Top ten right now,
NFL Super Bowl odds in order, Chiefs, Bills, Eagles, Bengals,
forty nine Ers, Cowboys, that's Ravens, Lions, Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I would say, just right off the top of my head,
I would say the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Cowboys. Cowboys. Now why say that?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
The one thing we know for sure about Dallas is,
no matter how good the team presumes to be, are
the buzz around the team, there's a letdown coming. There's
a letdown coming.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
There's always a lot of bark.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
You're right, there's a lot of bark, and sometimes there's
a bike.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I think they're an injury away from not being read
like we don't. If they don't have a running game,
a real running game, they don't get there all pro
send guard back in like we They're one thing away
from not even competing in the division. So just with

(44:10):
that list, I would definitely put them there. There's always
so much hype surrounding the Dallas Cowboys, and then at
the end of the year, it really is so we've
seen it for decades.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
We've seen it.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Since the nineties, and they've had good teams, they've had
all pros, they've had all these things, and it just,
for whatever reason, it never completely pans out.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Well, they're a highly touted team, yet every year, not
every single year, however, they are the highest Super odds
of any team that is not expected to even win
its own division.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
So that's interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Now, obviously there's only eight divisions, but you know, you
look at this list and there's a couple of divisions
that don't even get a team. You know, the AFC
South doesn't have a team on this list, The NFC
South doesn't have a team on this list. The NFC
North barely has a team on this list. The AFC

(45:29):
East has three, which is by definition sort of off
and interesting, Like, I don't know how a team the
Miami Dolphins are considered tenth most likely to make the
Super Bowl, yet they're supposed to also be third in
their division.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Which is difficult to do.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Pretty hard to get to the super Bowl when you're
not even in the top half of your own division, right,
So I get that kind of of landscape, and sometimes
that's the way I look at it. You look at Dallas,
you sort of mentioned if one thing goes wrong, you know,
you look at who's in their division that could take
advantage of it. We all think the Eagles are going

(46:13):
to be good. Washington, I don't know what to think
about them this year. They're not that much of a threat,
but they have a really good defense, and I don't
know what they're going to offer at the quarterback position.
Maybe somebody who plays there is going to be good.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
And then you got the Giants, who, gosh, it feels
like they should regress because even if they played the
exact same way they did last year, you figure that's
going to.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Be more more losing than it was last time around.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Like the Vikings and Giants sort of felt like the
teams that just they skated in there because a lot
of things bounced their way at.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
The end of games. But you know, there's no pushovers
in there, no, no, it's.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
It's the great thing about the NFL season is it's
only seventeen games, but there's so many ebbs and flows
during the season. Ye we all know injury plays a
huge part in the success of a team. You lose

(47:28):
one or two key players. There are very few teams
that can survive one or two major injuries. I don't
think any can survive it at the quarterback position, except
for the San Francisco forty nine ers, which is a
weird thing to say twice a weird thing to say,

(47:50):
but we've seen them do it, and that's a luxury
that the majority of the teams in the league do.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
They don't have that at all, maybe based.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
On what we saw today, and I get it it's
only preseason, but in that division, the New Orleans Saints,
if something were to happen to Derek Carr and Jameis
Winston were to come in, I don't think they lose
a step. Yeah, but they're They're not a lot of teams.

(48:30):
We saw what happened in Miami. If Tour goes down there,
that's a rap. Josh Allen goes down, that's a rap.
Even you know Patrick.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Mahomes, Oh sure for sure.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
So there you know. It's that's what the NFL season
brings you. Every week. There's anticipation, there's excitement. The injury
reports are coming out, like we're going to see It's
I've always said it's a war of attrition.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
You know, you're you're talking about what some of these
quarterbacks look like in the preseason and and uh and
therefore expressing some optimism. You mentioned Derek Carr Jamis Winston,
who both uh played played well in limited duty with
the Saints. And I think this is an age oh question,
and it leads to arguments, and I'm already readying for

(49:28):
the arguments that will come uh for you know, the
weekday sports media cycle that will start tomorrow after everybody's
team played, which is A did someone look good slash bad?
Or B does it not matter at all because it's

(49:49):
the preseason and A B, C, D, E or F
could be going on right Like I didn't have my
starting offensive line, i didn't my starting receivers. I'm actually
trying some different things to see what will or won't
work in the regular season. The other team was playing
their starters, we weren't. Like there's all of that versus

(50:15):
what we actually see. And there have been training camp
darlings every year every year in the NFL, and sometimes
it means absolutely nothing, sometimes it means everything. You know,
it was in Los Angeles that Doc Prescott's career was born.
In a preseason game and he went crazy and people

(50:37):
were intrigued by it, and then Tony Romo got hurt
and poof, that was it.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, and he hadn't given up the job since. So
you know, take Stetson Bennett for the Rams last night.
Are you putting something into this or not? Like he
looked good.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Well, the first four passes he threw did have been
intercepted ran back not so good, right, right, But then
I'm just saying like, if those if the defenders catch
the ball, well, right, this is a whole different type
of story we're talking about right now. That would be

(51:16):
twenty one. There'll be three pick sixes. I'm telling you
right in the first four passes that was crowd was like,
oh my god, this kid is oh good, good lord.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Right, but don't be a box score baby when you
look at preseason games, correct because correct. For example, I
mentioned it already last hour. Trey Lance today went ten
to fifteen with one touchdown. Go look at the highlight
of his touchdown. He hucked the ball literally at the
chest of a Raider player. That Raider player cradled the

(51:46):
ball for a moment, then decided to lose it hucking
about five yards in the other direction where it hit
the chest of the forty nine or tight end touchdown,
and his quarterback rating. The difference in that one pass
being caught by a forty nine or as opposed to
a raider, his quarterback rating was one to eleven to day.

(52:06):
If that raider simply catches that pass, it's thirty three.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
So yeah, it's you're going against the you're going against
the second string and secondary off the other team, and
you know, even the first.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
String secondary sometimes doesn't know how to catch the ball.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
But but that was bad. I was like, again, it
just kept happening again.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Well, so I get. I mean that's the simplistic question.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Do we take anything out of all of this that
we watched this weekend?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Is there anything we can take from it?

Speaker 3 (52:41):
No, it's it's uh, the really the one thing you
really want to see is if these young quarterbacks are
quarterbacks in a new system, if they're progressing with the press,
if they're if they're understanding and have command of these
that's really what you're looking at now, young quarterbacks, rookies

(53:05):
coming in there.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I get the jitter aspect of it.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
I get the you know, everything is so much faster, right,
But you gotta be able to survive that because in
four weeks it gets even faster. And I think that
was the thing that everybody saw with Dak Prescott. It
the game didn't seem too fast for him in the preseason.

(53:30):
He just stepped right on in, came right out of
the preseason right into the regular season, and he kept
the same pace. It never seemed like the game was
moving too fast, it was too big for him, and
he just completely had control of the offense. Now that's

(53:52):
what I'm looking for when I'm looking at these young quarterbacks.
And shout out to Patrick Mahomes for playing in the preseason,
and I thought that was dope.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
He played yep, yep, he went two for two.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
So if we keep taking random brand the ball time,
I'm like my brother, like, I was like, come on.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Now, oh gosh, seriously, So, yes, what did we learn
this weekend?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Mahomes is still good? He said, that's that's that's what
I got out.

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Speaker 1 (54:38):
That's E from Salam.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
I'm Mark Willard speaking of Mahomes I'm glad you brought
him up, because what I was gonna ask you next
if you had to pick one player that does not
go by the name of Mahomes, alanor Hurtz.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
That you think could win the MVP, who would it be.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
We'll hop into that next on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, y'all.
These aretheti rag dot com studios. This is Fox Sports Sunday.
That's E from Hi. How you doing whatever you're doing
tonight wherever you are, however you're bringing us in. Thank you.
We appreciate it. The football season less than a month away.

(55:12):
How would you answer that question that I threw out
there a couple of minutes ago, Ephraim, if you had
to pick one player not name Mahomes, Alan or Hurtz
that you think could win Most Valuable Player this year?
What name are you sticking in there?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
That's a that's that's a tough one, man, But well,
I do ask the tough question.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
You're doing.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
That's what I do, and I was I was thinking.
I came up with two answers. Okay, one Lamar Jackson, yep,
that up before. I think he is going to exhale
in this new offense. I think it's going to really

(55:54):
open the field up for him and allow him to
extend plays in the way that we've seen him do
over the years, but also less designed runs, which makes
him even more dangerous in the pocket as a scrambler.
And then I think justin Herbert, I think getting Kellen

(56:14):
Moore over there and and really Hone, He's already talented,
We've already seen that. I think the receiving corps. I
think what they're doing offensively is going to give him
that extra push to be great, not just good, and

(56:37):
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Both of them are going to get a little, as
you're saying, little adjustment and what's been going on offensively
for Baltimore. You hope that that is a little further
in keeping Lamar Jackson healthy. And I mean that both
physically and maybe like it did feel at the end
of the last season, Oh yeah, right, like well as

(57:07):
fans were sitting here going are you hurt or are
you mad?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
And then we know that in the off season he
was mad and uh, and then it got to a
point where I think it's okay now, and so maybe
it's a it's a clean slate there. And then the Chargers, well,
the Chargers, Charger, man, they just do they do they
always do, and and you're hoping that this year they

(57:37):
won't be that team that you look at and you go, gosh,
you got all you everything, you got everything, and you
find ways to mess it up and you just do
weird things.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
It is like the fourth down in your own like
what are you doing? What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (57:57):
You know what I mean? Like that's the motto of
the Charge Like what are you doing anything? That's what
they're doing. Right.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
It feels it feels like the Ducks are on the
pond there.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Man, button it up, please rock up. He's button it up.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
I mean, you know, like even in Herbert's last two
years two years ago, remember the way they missed the
playoffs with the way they the way they played that
game against the Raiders in the final regular season and
then what kind of a lead did they have in
Jacksonville last year?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
What were we rocking twenty twenty seven to seven. What
is that? What it was? Yeah? Yeah, and you lost?
It was ugly too good? Lord, I think this.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Is you know, I think they take the next step.
I think this is the year. And you know, noticing
the two players that I picked are in divisions with
top tier talent. Chargers with of course Mahomes and Kansas

(59:05):
City yep uh, and then Baltimore with Joe Burrow and
the Bengals. So you know, you play those teams twice
a year, you outplay them, that boosts your you know
that that booths boost your your your MVP score without

(59:26):
a doubt.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
So well, that whole division, I wonder, man, the ANFC North,
like that's kind of that's the classic division I'm talking about.
When we all decide, well, the Bengals will win that division,
it's like, are you sure? I don't know if anybody
in that division is bad. I don't actually know that
any of the other three teams are good, but I

(59:49):
don't know that they're bad. And history will tell us
that no matter what Mike Tomlin's going on, they'll win
nine games.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Team out there, no matter what.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
They're gonna put the you're gonna put that together. And
then Cleveland is this big mystery. If you ask the
fantasy world, the fantasy world will tell you, well, Deshaun
Watson is back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Like now here. We are like new deck.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Of cards, starting over, ready to go Week one, Deshaun
Watson will be Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Well, Willie, I have no idea what to expect there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
They could be fantastic, they could be really really good,
they could be awful, and any of it is believable
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
But I can't sit here and tell you it might be.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
In fact, the only division where I can't sit here
and tell you, Gosh, that team right there, they should
have a losing record.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Yeah, you're right. I can't say that about any of them. Yeah,
it's one of those situations where.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
You know, it's always been a hard nosed division outside
of the Browns. The Browns have been like a stepping
stone for the division. But now they finally have a
viable quarterback, a quarterback with supreme talent. They have young talent,
they have a tremendous, ferocious defense. So they have all

(01:01:14):
the pieces. Can they put it all together?

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
They got a chance to have their quarterback under center
for half the year to knock some of that rust
off not coming into this year being the first time
Deshaun played in three years, which would have been very difficult.
So all eyes are on can they make them take

(01:01:39):
that step after they answered the question that they've been
trying to answer for twenty years, right since Bernie Colesar.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Right, gosh, if the Bears, if Bears in the Browns
both get good quarterback played in the same year, what
on earth are all of us gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Oh my goodness, I'm gonna enjoy football.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I guess, I guess, or I'm gonna start looking around
for aliens because.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I'm like, this isn't the Earth that I know? They're
not Earth Earth?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
By the way, I might be I might I might
be underselling the AFC East also, should should we be
able to look at any of those four and go,
you should have a losing record this year?

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Yeah, that's right. I mean, what do you think about it?

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Look, if Coast they'll find a way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
It's New England.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
They won't be great and won't be spectacular like they
were with Brady, but they'll be uh, you know, they
won't be an easy out. They will not be an
easy out. No, we know they'll be well coached.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
When you use the word spectacular, it's it's crazy. Uh
the names Eve de Seger just pops to mount. It's crazy, Like, yeah,
he's real and he's spectacular.

Speaker 8 (01:03:07):
Here he is, hello, gentlemen. And I did look it up.
That playoff game at Jacksonville last season. It was twenty
seven to seven at the half Chargers, but it was
twenty seven nothing in the final minutes before halftime, which
means everything that's been wrong with this team the last
two years came to fruition all in one game. That

(01:03:27):
is for all the news, and it's a legitimate talking point.
His first season as coach, the going forward on fourth down.
But what's killed them is with him running the team,
can't run the football, can't stop the rup literally bottom
five in both and still made the playoffs last year
with Justin Herbert. So here, you had an enormous lead

(01:03:48):
when Jacksonville was wretched at home in the first half,
but you couldn't run the ball to protect a lead.
And you can't yet again stop anybody there you go
all in one game. Second thing you mentioned early in
today's show, you were seeing the Giants comeback win in
ten innings. They beat Texas three to two. For those
who are unaware, the San Francisco Giants have a young

(01:04:09):
catcher who is truly phenomenal defensive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Hobby so far.

Speaker 8 (01:04:13):
My man, Patrick Bailey had the two run homer to
win the game in the tenth today, but defensively he
threw out a runner stealing in a tie game to
end the top of the ninth. They have this great
thing in baseball the last deca called stat cast more
detailed mathematical things where they can tell you to the
to the nth degree, to the millisecond of what happened.

(01:04:38):
They have a thing for catchers defensively, pop time. How
quickly you received the pitch and throw down to second
to try and catch the runner. His pop time to
throw out that ninth inning runner fastest to second base
in the entire Major leagues this season one point seven
to one seconds. And that's hardly the first wow defensive

(01:05:00):
thing he has done for the Giants.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
There you are speaking, man, I was sitting right behind
the disc watching this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
And it is to behold.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
It is crazy because that was Duran running to second base.
He is fast and the second baby released that, you're like,
oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
He's very out like Oh my god, it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Is so fast. It is bananas to watch him do it.
He and I mean he didn't He's not just a rookie.
He didn't come up until it was two months into
the year.

Speaker 8 (01:05:31):
He has been a fine Yeah to believe he's hitting fine,
and he had a rare home run and it was
the game winner today. But the defense is just strangely great,
really superb. So a tenanning win for the Giants at home. Meanwhile,
in ten inning's Baltimore won at Seattle five to three.
Chicago Cubs are battling for a wild card spot and

(01:05:51):
lost eleven to four at Toronto. However, Cody Bellinger in
the second half is petting three ninety eight with the Cubs.
Can we say that out loud? Pittsburgh has a double
header at home against the Reds, Game one to the
Pirates despite very little hitting, they won four to two
over Cincinnati. The night Caps in the top of the
tent five to five Reds at Pirates. The regular Sunday

(01:06:12):
night ballgame in New York has the Mets ahead of
the Braves seven to four, bottom of the seventh inning.
Angels won at Houston two to one. Shoey otani as
forty first homer, but he will not pitch this week
due to arm fatigue. Dodgers won their eighth in a
row Washington with six, and the ninth edged Oakland Miami
with five in the bottom of the.

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
Ninth feat the Yankees.

Speaker 8 (01:06:32):
The Colts expect running back Jonathan Taylor to return to
camp this week after rehabbing an ankle injury. He is
still on the pup list two exhibitions. Today, New Orleans
got a field goal on the final play, set up
by a turnover to bea Kansas City twenty six twenty
four Saints third round running back Kendry Miller left with
a knee injury. The team says it's a sprain Las
Vegas over San Francisco thirty four to seven, NASCAR win

(01:06:55):
for Michael McDowell. Lucas Glover took the Saint Jude Tournament
in a playoff over Patrick. Can't lea USA basketball when
it's exhibition at top rank Spain ninety eight eighty eight.
Jessica Pagoula took the tennis final in Montreal easily. The
US Open starts in two weeks, and you know we
did mention golf, so can I just say that there
was a live golf.

Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
Event this week as well in New Jersey.

Speaker 8 (01:07:19):
And again these are only three round tournaments and there
aren't that many of them massive payouts, and now they're
off for the next five weeks in live golf. By
the way, Cameron Smith the winner. He's won two of
the last three tournaments. This takes him to the season
points lead. Now there's a bonus at the end of
the season for the points winner of eighteen million dollars

(01:07:42):
gots for this weekend's when he gets the usual four
million dollars, so his individual season total is over thirteen
point six mili and counting. Plus they have this team
competition worked in every weekend group easily won, so there's
more bonus money. And fifty year old golfer Lee Westwood

(01:08:05):
was dead last at the live Golf tournament in New Jersey,
twenty over par for three rounds, forty eighth place last
here ins one hundred and twenty thousand dollars okay. Meanwhile,
in PGA, a tie for forty ninth got fifty thousand
dollars for four rounds of golf.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
Of course, oh fact eam o, it's over golf.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It's just a big bachelor party, that's all, except for
very few of them are bachelors. Phil Michelson has allegations
come out that the man is like trying to bet
on his own Ryder Cup appearances, and he just goes
to Twitter and he's like, so, I'm in a tournament
this week, and I'm in the final group even though

(01:08:47):
we all tee off at the same time, and I'm
going to try to win. Like nothing sticks. It's just
it's almost like there's this vibe around Live Golf, the
Evil Empire. If you will, you're already on the dark side.
So if more dark stuff comes out, it's okay, We're
just already assumed. Yeah, it'd be like if you know,

(01:09:09):
if Darth Vader had a wife and he cheated, well, like, yeah,
it's darth Vader, So Gorsey, does you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Like nobody satisfied darth Vader. Come on now, he says
that breathing so hard.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
He says that a bunch just you think Lucas Darth
Vader's only child.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Come on, who can lay up? Oh gosh, Darth Vader
was deep in the streets in the galaxy, like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Is anything gonna stick to Phil like these allegations are
so far past Pete Rose, it's unbelievable, And he just
smiles and shows up the next day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Like, yeah, so I think I'm gonna win. It's weird, man,
I don't even know how to figure it anymore. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
The rage is gone though, You notice that, Like, yeah,
everybody's just like whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
I can't whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
What is the what is the timetable for live and
and the p G A to to combine and we
started getting these events together.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I can't wait for that. I feel like you're gonna
start to see.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
I think you're gonna get some clarity at the end
of the year because they're they're gonna they're gonna have
to figure out if they're all in kahouts together, Well,
how are you still keeping the live golf players out
of the majors.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
They're not gonna be able to do that, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Okay, but now then what's the kickback in the other direction?
The PGA Tour is not just gonna sit there and
take it on the chin. They're still leading the charge
to a certain degree, maybe not financially, but.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
It's the influx of money that's gonna be able to
make the PGA Tour so the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Persons can go up higher and write.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
But so in other in other words, are they actually
just to dissolve the live events? Yeah, I think it'll
be for that money over to the PGA Tour events
and get everybody back on the same tour and then
you know, like you said, put it all in one
tournament and have the good guys and the bad guys.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah, but then that's I know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
The live golfers don't want that. They want to have
access to the majors, but they want to keep that
money coming in. Yep. They like playing three rounds, right,
They like making it over a hundred grand no matter what. Yes,
Like I'm showing up to play golf and I'm gonna

(01:11:43):
make a hundred grand no matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
And why would they want to share that and welcome
two thirds of the really good players.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Many trying to see all that. They don't want Rory
and none of them over there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
But they don't have the juice, They don't know. The
players don't have the power here. The players don't have
the power anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
I wonder how Tiger it was about giving up a
billion dollars, so three what two months later for live
to buy the PGA or combined with the PGA.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
It's kind of like what we were talking about the
forty nine quarterback situation. You gave up three first rounds
for a quarterback you don't even want to use, but
had a different one that's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Take you to the Bowl. Who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Yeah, So if Tiger's like, I didn't get a billion, oh,
but I got this other billion, so it's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Yeah, but I'm saying that you could he earned that
one billion, he wouldn't had to earn this one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
They would have handed it to him. Yep. Like in
Bape yep, same thing that was that was crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I'm like, bro, you wouldn't go over there for six
months and you don't even play in the premier league?
You trip it wild wild wild. You don't even play
in the premier league. That's like you don't even like
in NFL too, You don't even play in the NFL.
You playing the USFL, and you don't want to go
over there for six months for a billion that you brooke?

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
You trip.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
It was funny to watch all the NBA players start
to chirp, like hey.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
I can kick a ball. Guess what it was like this,
what's about to happen? What's happens? What's about to happen? Yeah,
and you already know. I know what's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Like they're gonna stop at golf. I know shix former
players go over there right now. Yep, yep. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
You know what, while we're on the NBA, because I've
been teasing it, there's a player who I'm just done with.
But we could wrap it into the conversation that you're
starting right now as well. That's coming up next. We're
in the Tyraq dot com studios. That's it from Salama,
Mark Willard and his Fox Sports Radio. All right, we're
live in thee tyrek dot com studios. So Mark from

(01:14:00):
Salami from what are you saying we're gonna change the
NBA to the i n b A uh or just
the i b A International Basketball Association.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
It's coming. I mean the money, the money is coming.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
They got the NBA Africa League. Brother, it's coming. They're
gonna start. What he's gonna look like? What do you
say it's gonna look like? I think it'll be They'll
start a league uh in the United Arab empirates, and
it'll be eight teams, two divisions, and they're gonna they

(01:14:43):
don't populate that team. They're gonna offer you know, like
for instance, instead of being in Taiwan playing Dwight Howard
would easily go over there and play for fifteen to
twenty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Sure, I guess what's the danger in that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Because if you if you trace the steps back on
the golf thing, what players were actually upset about was
the fact that there was no guaranteed money. Right you
look at some of these other sports, even football with
its non guaranteed contracts. When you see a free agent
sign it's like, sure they signed for ninety million, fifty

(01:15:30):
millions guaranteed. Well, a golfer on the PGA Tour all
the way up to the tiger Woods and the Phil
Mickelson's of the world. Nothing, there's no guarantee right right,
not until and so that was their number one argument.
And I'll be it somewhat of a fair one. Now,

(01:15:51):
an NBA player can't do that, won't do that. There's
no way that, right, Lebron James. Maybe in three years,
Lebron James. But Gianni's attenda Cumpo is not going to
be like, well, I needed to go over there because
what your contract is already fully guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Yeah, we're talking right, We're talking guys who are no
longer and like Dwight Howard is a prime example. Obviously
he can still play. What's my Jamal Crawford. It's so
many of talented players. If I was them, I would

(01:16:37):
just buy the Big Three. But I say that to say.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
About the Pac twelve because they buy that too anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
No, I say that to say, if you're a kid
coming out of high school and you could go to
the G League for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
or five hundred grand, or you can go to college,
or you can go play in the the new professional

(01:17:07):
league in the Arab Emirates, the u A Basketball the
UE Basketball Association for four million dollars coming out of
as A, as A, as a you know, five star
recruit coming out of high school. What you finn to do? Well,

(01:17:29):
what you're about to do now?

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Yeah, So that's how you call family written all over
it right, right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
But that's how you build up and then the eyes
will be there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Because of course, every NBA scout wants to watch these
young players playing with these older players and professional But
that's man, I should I should get on the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Man, Well, so the day. The danger, based on what
you're saying, is not to the NBA. The danger is
to college basketball. Well, of course, the danger is to
college basketball. Why would anyone who is a big time
NBA prospect, why would anyone go to college anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
No, not if they hand a nose checks out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Well, it was stupid already anyway, the whole one and
done idea. Go act like you're being a college student
for five months.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
What I mean, like you don't even go to class exactly.
I wanted to be a grading period.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
And and and those guys are are not incentivized to play,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
It's kind of like it's just like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
A lot of college football players now when you get
close to the bowl game, you know what I mean,
Like you go to Alamo Bowl or you could preserve
your draft stock. Why, right, you know, why why am
I going to go play college basketball If I'm a

(01:18:58):
you know, even though he didn't work out, If I'm
a James Wiseman type prospect, where they know about you
at the beginning of the year, yeah, play nine games,
then pull a hammy. Don't see you at the drafts.
Of course, somebody, as you said, want to pay me
five million dollars. I'm going, yeah, I'm about done with

(01:19:25):
James Harden.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
I already thought I was done with him, and then
he won me back a little tiny bit this year.
I'll tell you how he went out and he led
the NBA and assists. I was like, okay, okay, you
actually do no basketball outside of dribble, dribble, dribble drive,
make ref think something happened that didn't happen. Go to

(01:19:51):
free throw line, ask what he'd been doing. And then
he went out and led the NBA and assists. I'm like, okay,
I kind of like this James. I don't like this
James anymore. I'm back to done again. Yeah, I've been done.
I've been done. It just is too much, man, there's

(01:20:13):
too much to all teams. Yeah, there's got to be
a limit on how many teams you're allowed to tell
I'm not playing for you anymore. I don't know how
many times you get to do that in your career.
But we talk a little bit more about that coming
up next. Plus I need you to predict who's gonna
have the number one overall pick.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
In the NFL draft next year. Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to
listen live.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Look, the NFL is right around the corner. We got
a laughingstock in Major League Baseball. We'll get to all
of it. But while we are talking about the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Look, if we're.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Gonna do this, if the star players around the league
are going to continue to flex their muscle and simply
tell teams where they're going to play, whether they are
under contract or not, well then hell let's make it
a stat right, you get two technicals, you're thrown out
of a basketball game. Once you've demanded two trades in

(01:21:14):
your career, that's it. I'm sorry. You don't get to
do it for a third time. So there needs to
be some sort of outhouse or some spot on the bench.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
I don't know, maybe your salary goes away.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
The Sixers get to save the money because James Harden,
who didn't want to be on the Thunder and they
didn't want to be on the Rockets, and he didn't
want to be on the nets. Now he doesn't want
to be on the six. I'm sorry, man, you're out
of chances. You're out of chances because this is just
making everybody rub their temples.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
It doesn't make me feel good about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Players.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
I don't understand now player mobility for it, but me right,
I mean, come on, man, this is out of control.
We want to play what we want to play. Then
you get there, well I don't want to play here
no more. I don't want to go play over here.

(01:22:17):
Then you get there, well I don't want to play here.
I'm taking my ball. I'm going over here. And I
don't care about the talent. I'm not talking about the talent.
You know how disruptive that is to a franchise, to
a team, to a locker room. So look, I'm like, man,

(01:22:42):
I know Joel and b like what you're playing with
the MVP?

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Right, what else do you want?

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Y'all were right there, They were right there, They were
right there. There's no reason that they couldn't have made
the NBA Finals out of the East this year.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
They were right there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
So that part of it, I'm yeah, I'm not feeling
that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
It's just so tired. The whole thing is just so tired.
And you mentioned how disruptive it is to teammates. You
know what, I feel even worse for. I feel worse
for the teams that they're not even on, that they're disrupting.
Tyler Hero now hates the Miami Yes, it is like,

(01:23:35):
why am I even in this conversation just because somebody
in Portland decided he wanted to play for me, play
for my team, and now we got to go through
a public dragging of my name when all I did
was just play basketball for this team all year. Right,
If you're on the Los Angeles Clippers right now, what
are you thinking?

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
What have you been told?

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
What's an been thrown out on Twitter or X or
whatever you want to call it, from woes or shams
that's making you feel all insecure about your standing with
your team. So these guys are not just disrupting their
own teams, they're disrupting the entire NBA all because they

(01:24:19):
can't seem, for whatever reason, to get along in their
current spot. And I'm with you, I'm for player empowerment,
player movement, but at a certain point, you and I
have talked about this before. When a guy gets upset
in one situation. Okay, fine, second time, I hear you.

(01:24:42):
You get to four or five times every uniform you
put on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
I don't like it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
I don't like thank you, thank you? What is the
common denominator?

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
James?

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
You dude, Kyrie, Why does every place suck because you're
in it. You're there, That's why it stinks, you know.
I don't put that on Dame. We've talked a lot
about Dame. This is his first rodeo. I think it's
been misplayed a little bit. But okay, it's your first rodeo.

(01:25:19):
But some of this stuff, man, it is just such
a tired game.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Yeah, it really makes you feel like, here we go again.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
I think the respect of the game, the realizing just
how hard.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
It is to win a championship. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
You can't just decide to go somewhere to win one.
Even Miami didn't win one when they had the Big
Three come in the first year. So it's it's difficult
to just all of a sudden change the area code

(01:26:13):
and win a championship. If he comes to the Clippers,
they still going to be the Clippers. No, Joe, what
do you think is about to happen over here when
he finds himself, when he finds himself in March being
the only one healthy right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Well, to me, this is the fix because I there's
nothing that the team that they want to leave can do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
They're stuck.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
They're either stuck with a disgruntled cry baby on the
bench or somebody who's playing at half speed, or they've
got to take a trade that is not good for them,
so they're totally stuck. The fix to this is the
all of the other teams. This is where the Miami
heat and again that's not the best example. The Clippers

(01:26:56):
are the better example. This is where the other teams
wake up and go, why the hell would we want
James Harden.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
He's just gonna do the same thing to us. I
would never I would never trade for James Harden, right.
I still don't know why the Mavericks did what they did.
I knew it wasn't gonna work. At least he plays
in at least right like I guess sometimes ah times

(01:27:26):
James Harden is He's so temperamental.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
I don't like to be I don't want to be here.
But he's done this three times and you're you're right.
It's the same with Kyrie, like all of that stuff. Man,
get somewhere stick, build a team. It's not Look, they've
played with all all NBA All Stars. They've had a
team loaded with him. No wins, no championships.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Yep. And I'm like, I mean, that's the leverage.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
The leverage goes away when the rest of the league
goes Why would we do that? That's the only way
they would get the wake up call Because as long
as everybody keeps salivating over stats Uncle Drew for COCTA
MVP awards that got handed out because the stats, Russell Westbrook,

(01:28:20):
James Harden, all this stuff. As soon as other teams
stop getting wooed by that, the leverage goes away.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Trade me to the Clippers. Well we called, they're not interested.
Now what I don't want to play. I don't want
the MVP.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
You know, Look, what what's wild is probably I mean
under the covers, they probably have some points, you know
what I mean, Like, I have no idea what he's
upset about and whether or not it has merit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
But it's just but it's just too much. See the game.
You can't play the game that team you're on.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
You're upset though, right, right, right, right right, Like I said,
it becomes less about them, and it's about you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Well, and none of you're not gonna be happy anywhere, right,
none of them you've ever won?

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Right, You get to go play with your friends.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
You've been playing with friends for the last five years,
just bouncing around, playing with your guys.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
I'm trying to think of a list of who James
has played with, you know, high level Hope players.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
It was Ross and k D and OKC. Then he
ends up in Houston.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Play with Dwight Howard, Dwight Howard, Chris, Paul, who else
am I forgetting?

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Then he ends up in Brooklyn Katie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
And then he goes embid And by the way, I
like some of the other players.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
They're not a's, they're be's, b pluses.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
But you know the Tobias Harris's MAXI I mean, like
that's a squad.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
A squad. They don't like that either. Nope, not good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
All of those players have been teammates, and that dude
hasn't won bubb Kiss.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
So now he wants to come to LA with Kawhi,
Leonard and Paul George and that ZUPAP.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Because everything's going really well with Kawhi Leonard and Paul
George the last couple of years. Be my guess, well,
yeah it's a Laker fan. I bet you'd love it.
Please come on, man, oh man, waste time.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Oh gosh, yeah, it's just tired. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
That's I don't know any other way to say it.
The whole thing is just it's just a tired game,
the super tired game.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
When is he gonna come in shape? Though, That's what
I want to know. When is he going to come
in shape?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
I'm thinking thinking never by now he shows up to
the season looking like Bookman.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
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were looking to take a step forward.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
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Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
It nunber No one and till two club.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
It my chance.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (01:33:07):
Yeah, I was not gonna get in the way of that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Please Baby man feeling it, Big man Man, feeling it? Okay,
Big Sam on the Ones and Tues woo.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Whoop m m yep yep, feeling it. Feeling it like
that person in Florida This week on Tuesday. Who nailed
the mega millions? Congratulations? That's right. Would you like to
I don't know, buy a football team?

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
You can now? What's what's now? You can't know? Oh,
I mean you could be a part of it. Put
in on it, that's right, part of the group. You
could definite mean, you could definitely put in on it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
I was driving down the highway the other day and
it said make a millions thirty six million. I was like, oh,
that's so sad. It was one point five billion five
days ago. But he went and hit that thing. Oh
my goodness, life changer. But anyway, you gotta put your
name on it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
I can give you some candidates if you want, But
put your name on it. Who's coming in last? Worst
record in the National Football League this year?

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Goes to goes to the Oakland Raiders. Oh you picked
a team that doesn't even exist. Listen to you? Oh
the Las Vegas Raiders? How about that? Okay? I can't Yeah,
I know, nor should you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Yeah, keep calling them the San Diego Charges too, if
you would, I'd appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
I think, uh it's gonna be it's gonna be a
race with rams in them.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
You put the Rams in there too, Now, why just
put the Rams in? I know you know what your mind.
You know, well, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
You think they're both angling for Caleb and they are.
You're wrong, I can promise you you are. I'm not
saying you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
However, I do look at those two teams and I go,
those aren't the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Those aren't the worst teams.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
They don't have the least talent, they don't have the
biggest quarterback problems in the league. Like, sell to me,
why the Rams are going to be worse than the Cardinals?

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
H First off, I think you know, I don't know
if Matthew is all in still. Yeah, after spending you know,
twelve years and be getting beat up in Detroit with
not a lot of success outside of a couple of years,

(01:35:54):
and to come to LA and to win a Super Bowl,
to me, that's the end of the book. You know,
after thirteen years, you reached the pinnacle and so you
you move on, right, got hurt last year? I'm sure

(01:36:18):
it felt kind of cool, just chilling. You've accomplished what
you've wanted to accomplish. You've changed the narrative of what
you were as a player, and you won the ultimate
prize as an NFL player. That's a championship the first
season you stepped out of Detroit. What else do you

(01:36:39):
have to prove or are you willing to prove? So
whenever you start, he's not going for legacy or anything
like that. I just to me feel it feels like, hmm,
this will be a great time to be there, but

(01:37:03):
not all there right off until the sunset. You got
the trophy, brought a championship to LA and we're gonna
usher in this new quarterback who is going to continue
to be the face of LA football because I'm sure

(01:37:26):
he's gonna have a spectacular year at SC. You come
right on down the road playing so far, you don't
even have to move out of the mansion you already
live in.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
You know, he got some real estate already out here.
Oh come on, man, let's go. I mean, whatever that is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Keishawan did when he was playing at USC, but it
wasn't even close to the legal yet.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
You know what I mean? So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
You know what to ask you this This is completely
off the map of your conversation. But what you're saying
is making me think about something that I bet is
super relevant to a lot of people right now. If
you look at fantasy football rankings right now, whether it's
the top five or the top ten, it's one or
the other. Cooper Cup is pretty much widely considered wide

(01:38:23):
receiver three or four. There's Jefferson, There's Chase and then
it's kind of a Tyreek Hill Cooper Cup thing. Should
people be worried about Cooper Cup? Because you really sound
firm that you don't think Matthew Stafford's playing a lot
of football this year.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
It just feels Yeah, I would, I would. I will
be very cautious there, I'd be very cautious.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
Yeah. Wow, Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
Well, I just wonder, you know what I mean, because
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
I do feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Stetson Bennett is going to play NFL games this year.
Let's put it that way. Maybe he'll be good. Maybe
he'll be good. I don't know. I don't know, but
it does not feel I mean, Matthew Stafford has been
cloaked in maybe more silence and mystery over the last

(01:39:29):
year and a half than any big time quarterback I've
ever seen. They won a super Bowl and for an encore,
he just kind of disappeared, and no one's really like
they tried to ask some questions and then they stopped
asking questions, and the questions did not continue into the

(01:39:51):
off season, right, and the rumors were like you know this,
there was the obvious injury, but then there was the
not so obvious injuries. The rumors were career threatening back injuries.
Things aren't right, shade. Yes, he wasn't playing that well
when he was playing, if I remember correctly, he was

(01:40:13):
leading the league in picks. Yeah, I mean when Yeah,
it's hard to keep going. Man, after you've been in
the league a long time, you get that monkey off
your back.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
It is so it's off his back. He's a world champion.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Well it it feels to me it's kind of like
the individual version of why we always say no matter
the sport, it's hard to repeat. You ask any athlete
that's done it or come close. They seem to always
say the same thing, like, it's just it's just different.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Man, target on your back, still trying to get back
to the NFC championship game.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Look at you, man, You'll get there. Don't worry keep trying,
you know what I mean? Though, Like, is it yours
a target? On your back.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
There's expectation. Plus, as I've.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Always seen it, you're human and once you've achieved the goal,
you can't want it as much as the person who
doesn't have it unless you have a screw loose. Michael Jordan,
Tom Brady, you all got a screw loose, right, Like
Tom had won eighteen Super Bowls and was playing when

(01:41:23):
he was like forty four years old.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Gotta get it, gotta get another My man.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
You have a screw loose. But if you don't have
a screw loose, you're gonna relax.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
A little bit. So I think you're onto something there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Yeah, And I just I think marketing wise, the Rams
would love to just drive to go pick up Caleb Williams.
Don't have to sit in the jet, you just drive
over to get him. That's you know, That's why you

(01:41:59):
know picked those two.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Okay, Okay, how about your eyes on the Cardinals? Well,
I have my eyes on the Arizona Cardinals because Kyler
Murray is not healthy. I don't think he's all that
great to begin with. Even when he is, I don't
think they did anything to respond to the injury in

(01:42:22):
the offseason. Then they dumped DeAndre Hopkins. I know they
just paid the man, So I'm not calling it a tank.
JJ Watt retires like, I just don't know what it.
What do the Cardinals have that's special? What position are
they special? I don't see one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
But I will say this, if Kyler does play, he's
playing for something more than just you know, playing, He's
playing for, you know, his career. So he's going to
try to do everything he can to keep them from

(01:43:06):
from faltering. So whenever you got somebody like that who
plays the quarterback position.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
You can you can sneak a few in.

Speaker 10 (01:43:14):
Yeah, I hear you. Atlanta, Tampa Bay. Looking at those
teams too, Yeah, that's a pretty good assessment.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
I'm looking at those teams too. Desmond Ritter does not
look does not look like the answer. No, let's put
it that way. No, it does not look like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
I just it's that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
It's a it's a lot for for young quarterbacks to
come in and we're watching Trey Lance still not have it,
you know, and so just to have that amount of
pressure on you, you come in, you be the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
It's uh, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Man.

Speaker 11 (01:44:09):
Well, speaking of pressure, we started, there's a oh, Yeah,
there's a there's a ton of it right now on
Steve de Seger because this is the last time that
we're going to get to talk to him tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
So I'm I'm putting a lot into this. I hope
it really goes well.

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
Well.

Speaker 8 (01:44:25):
As soon as you mentioned ni L, you know, quarterback
Caleb Williams of USC had his own bobblehead at Dodger
Stadium this past week in a USC uniform. The bobblehead
has him in a Heisman pose with a Dodger cat.

Speaker 6 (01:44:39):
So yeah, there's an nil press.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
There's a little full excitement there.

Speaker 6 (01:44:44):
He has more deals than we know of.

Speaker 8 (01:44:46):
I'm sure one of the ones as soon as he
transferred to USC, before he played it down before even
spring camp, I'm sure is he had a deal with
a real estate private equity fund in Beverly Hills, So yeah,
he might have some sort of connection to getting a
house in those ends well.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
And he and he hasn't even tapped into the Michigan
and Ohio markets yet where.

Speaker 8 (01:45:09):
Stand by Yeah, sure, yeah, you have nothing else to
do in a year?

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Oh why why don't you shock the world and just
go back to school and play in the big ten.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
How to be fine.

Speaker 8 (01:45:21):
I'm giving the options in the pros. We'll see Meanwhile,
next weekend at Dodger Stadium, it's going to be Lebron
James bobblehead giveaway again with a Dodger hat on it.
This weekend it was Fernando Mania weekend in LA and
they had Fernando giveaways at all three games at Dodger Stadium,
including Friday night when they retired his jersey. It's up

(01:45:41):
there alongside Coofax, Drysdale and the rest. His number thirty
four retired because of all he means to the community
still to this day, not only that he was, for example,
an All Star his first six years in the majors.
His rookie season nineteen eighty one still gobsmacked looking back

(01:46:02):
at that he was not only Rookie of the Year,
but the Cy Young Winner and top five for MVP
and the Silver Slugger Award to him as the best
hitting pitcher all in the same year at age twenty,
and he started out with complete games in his first
eight starts of the year and was eight and zero.
Literally no relief pitcher in his first eight starts of

(01:46:24):
his season.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
If somebody did that now could you.

Speaker 6 (01:46:28):
Imagine they did it four in a row? Now, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:46:31):
Gosh, men from Mars had landed, they wouldn't know what
is going on here.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
As you know, you'd be a good person, sorry, Steve,
you'd be a good person to ask this.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
What took the Dodger so long?

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
I sort of didn't even realize that his number wasn't retired.

Speaker 8 (01:46:45):
I think it's because, well, you got to make the
Hall of Fame and then will It's kind of like
the Lakers. Once Jamaal Wilkes made the Hall of Fame,
they retired as Jersey. Once gil Goodrich made the Hall
of Fame, they retired as Jersey. And Fernando just didn't
have as long career of greatness. Now, the years with
the Dodgers, it was about ten total, were very very good.

(01:47:05):
But the whole career, you know how it really went
off in the final few seasons and he hopped around teams.
By the way, the attendance was still great for most
of his career. When he would start to the point
that even in those later contracts with other teams, he
would write it in he would get a cut of
the attendance, the ticket sales if it went over a
certain amount on the nights he was pitching, because the

(01:47:27):
early days with the Dodgers might goodness, they would be
fans would just count the days and say we think
he's going to pitch that day, and start to buy
tickets and it would be a sellout. And there was
a time when manager Tommy Lasorda switched the rotation. Turns
out he's pitching a day or two later, and then
that game sold out when he actually wound up pitching.
It was just astounding the attention he was getting. In fact,

(01:47:49):
MLB dot Com just this past week they did over
fifty years of research and they said in that entire
span in the National League, there was no one like
for Anando as far as ticket sales on the road.
His ticket sales were seventy percent higher when the Dodgers
visited on a night he pitched compared to any other

(01:48:09):
Dodger pitching. It was just astounding. Well, the Dodgers have
won eight in a row. They beat Colorado eight three. Today,
Dodgers are first in the NLS, still eight and a
half games up on the Giants, who homered in the
tenth to beat Texas three to two. Baltimore with a
homer in the tenth one at Seattle five to three.
Arizona down the Padres five to four. The Padres have
a record of fifty six and sixty two. They'll be

(01:48:32):
hosting Baltimore tomorrow. The Angel Show. Hey Otani it his
forty first homer in a two to one win at Houston.
O'tani will not pitch this week. Dude arm fatigue. Tonight,
Atlanta's Matt Olsen hit his forty third home run that
leads the Majors, but the Mets beat the Braves seven
to six. Pittsburgh and Cincinnati split a doubleheader wins for
Toronto and Milwaukee. Miami with five runs bottom of the

(01:48:54):
ninth down the Yankees eight to seven, and Washington with
six runs bottom of the ninth beat Oakland and eight
to seven. By the way, Oakland is very bad. Thirty
three and eighty five. The Royals are thirty eight and
eighty one. They were mercifully off today. NFL Exhibition wins
for Las Vegas and New Orleans. And you talked earlier
of the show about the day of Trey Lance, who

(01:49:17):
started at quarterback for San Francisco, lost thirty four to seven.
At Las Vegas. He was sacked four times, went three
and out the first three series, and then got the
touchdown pass on a deflection. Next gen stat says Trey
Lance was pressured on almost fifty percent of his dropbacks
in his game.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Fight Oh no, but yeah, part of this was not
his fault or that was not at all, but yeah,
oh my gosh, yeah we had. They didn't put any
starting offensive lineman in that game today.

Speaker 8 (01:49:48):
It was clearly, like I say, an exhibition. And we
have the update on Jonathan Taylor, coach's running back. The
team expects him to return to camp this week after
rehabit ankle entry. But things are still not good between
the two sides. Let's just say that affect.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
You, all right, Steve, The team expects Jonathan too. I
don't know if Jonathan expects it.

Speaker 6 (01:50:06):
May not be smiling, but yes, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Right, speaking of expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
You know from Steve mentions there that show Hey Otani
will not start this week because of arm fatigue.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
How quickly does show hey.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Kind of do a college bowl game? Deal? If I'm
show heo Tani, I think I might be just about
done starting as a pitcher for this team. You got
free agency coming, You've got some things that you're going

(01:50:42):
for with regard to the offensive side of the game.
You're going to win a home run title, so you're
gonna keep doing that. But if you're feeling arm fatigue,
if I'm show hey for this team that is now
sub five hundred free agency six hundred million sitting there,

(01:51:05):
I think I might, Uh, I might, I might go
buy some bubble wrap.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
Yeah, But I think he's trying to accomplish something this
year personally, So I don't think he would, you know,
I think he's trying to cement himself as an all
time great before we even get there. And he wants

(01:51:33):
to me clearly gonna be the front runner for MVP,
clearly yep.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
So he wants to keep it going. It'd be a
nice exit, right, you win MVP.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
I mean, I don't know, I don't know how he
doesn't like he's all he's already gonna do that, right,
I mean, he's already a ten game winner. Yeah, he's
ten and five with a three one seven e R.
So you know, I listen, I'm with you. It doesn't
sound like what we know of him. It doesn't sound

(01:52:10):
like something he would do doesn't doesn't seem like a
show haye thing. But if I were his agent, I
would I would call and ask'd be like, you sure
you want to sure you want to keep taking the
ball every six days?

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Yeah? I look, man, he's going.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
He's young. Man, he's young and not that young. He's
turning thirty next year. You feel like he can go forever.
I remember those times. I know, I know, yeah, right,
And look, sometimes we have to be saved from ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
Amen, Ain't that the truth? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
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You know, we're talking about takeaways from preseason football. If
there's anything that you can actually really really grab a

(01:54:09):
pen and put in ink based on what you see
this week. So Arnie, who's coming up here next, He
sent me a text during the show, and he sent
me the link to a Twitter site NFL notifications with
a blue check mark. So they're not just NFL related,
E from but they also pay eight dollars a month,

(01:54:32):
so very very exciting. So take this with a grain
of salt if you will, but this is sort of
one of the one of the takeaways from the NFL preseason.
Some will tell you there's a quarterback controversy in San Francisco.
Others who might be a little bit more tapped in
will send it completely in the opposite direction. In thinking

(01:54:54):
that the forty nine ers are dying to get rid
of Lance, and this site says there are execs around
the league that believe the forty nine ers are doing
more harm than good to the trade value of Trey
Lance simply by playing him at all. In the preseason,
many thought that Trey Lance was trending toward potentially netting

(01:55:15):
a third round pick prior to today's game, but that
value is now quickly dropping after those execs put their
eyes on Lance. One exec they spoke to about the
situation said it could quote trend in the direction of
the forty nine ers having to attach a pick to
Lance in order to.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
Get rid of him.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
When you think about that, because you said earlier the
Niners don't really need to do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
What did I say in terms of.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
You said, Yes, it's more than you want to spend
on a third string quarterback, but it's also not an
outrageous amount of money. They're spending so little on their
quarterback room as a whole. Yeah, even if he ends
up third string, so be it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
So be it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
They don't have to do anything in terms of trade value.
There was no trade value. I do agree with. The
more he plays the lower that value gets, which doesn't
seem like it's possible. But good lord, anytime he's been
on the football field, with the preseason, regular season, it

(01:56:26):
has not looked good. Now one time have you said, oh,
he's got it, and you know, putting him out there
with a bad offensive line.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
I mean he was under siege.

Speaker 3 (01:56:40):
Even the first two passes of the game was supposed
to be three step drops.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
You gotta get the ball off. He didn't throw the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
You're gonna get sacked if you pump on the three
step drop. Now it's not a slug. Oh, it's not
a three, and then you take two more to make
it a five. It's a three step drop. So if
it's not there, you gotta throw the ball away.

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
There is no The offensive linemen are short setting attacking
and in some instances cutting down the defensive line on
a three step drop. If you don't, if you still
have the ball after two seconds, yeah, you're on your own.
So the first two plays of the game were three
step drops. He didn't get rid of the ball. That's it.

(01:57:21):
That's two sacks back to back. So I don't know
where the disconnect is. If he's not confident and throwing
the ball, any of those things. But you know, I mean,
he's he can throw a pretty ball within a five
yard six yards radius, but you gotta be accurate. You

(01:57:45):
gotta be accurate down the field. You got to throw
receivers open. Their timing has to be immaculate. And he
hasn't gotten there yet. So who's giving up a third
round draft pick for someone you have to continue to develop?

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
All right? So let's take this now to the next step.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
And this is where and I know some of the
listeners on our Bay Area affiliate here in ninety five
to seven the game, some of them get angry just
at the mere thought of this because of the capital
that was used to get Trey Lance. But the forty
nine ers are in such a window. They are in
a win now window. There is no room for development.

(01:58:23):
So I'm not saying they feel this way, but if
it keeps looking like this, and let's say the forty
nine ers get to the the real opinion behind closed doors,
Kyle S. Janahan goes, he's the fourth best quarterback on
our roster right now. If he gets there, don't they

(01:58:44):
owe it to the team to keep the other three?

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
Yeah? We didn't go cut Tree Lanz.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Well, that's what I'm asking. I don't cut Trey Lanz.
Well if someone else is better.

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
I mean there's guys who get cut all over the
league who are better than somebody who's on the roster.
That's not necessarily how they build out a team.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
Yeah, but it's quarterback, man, Yeah, quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
I understand quarterback for a team that always loses the quarterback,
but it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
Is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:59:16):
You're not expecting the third string quarterback to ever play,
so correct. This is not like, oh, well, should we
or shouldn't we know, It's not one of those situations.
It really isn't. So they're they're in a position where
they're going to hold on to them and you know,

(01:59:36):
hopefully with practice and all of that and and whatever
they're doing, the development is just not there. So they
do need him at some point this year. If you know,
the impossible happens again, yeah, then they It is what
it is. He's got to go out there and play.

(01:59:57):
And I think they're okay with that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
You know what happens next Saturday night, the night before
we speak again, it's a Trey Lance versus Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (02:00:08):
Oh god, I didn't wait to talk to you about
that one. I'll be next

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