August 30, 2023 • 22 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental health podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. Todays episode is packed with Unbreakable moments from Terry Bradshaw, Lindsey Vonn, Kenneth Cole, Andrew Whitworth, Randy Couture, Brandon Marshall, Lane Johnson, David Spade and Freddie Prinze Jr.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And you know, I've been.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Trying to figure out how do I possibly introduce this
chat in the right way. You know what, It's family,
and this dude has been part of your family for
probably decades and decades. He's been part of my family
for the last twenty years at Fox NFL Sunday. Probably
most famous for coming out with a Christmas album. I
was saying, uh, he's done a couple other things. It's
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one and only Terry Brawshaw.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Everybody, thanks Jay Lazer.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Yeah, thanks for bringing up that Christmas album.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's the only reason I wanted you want it is holiday?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Wee you, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
What's that moment in your life?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's called unbreakable that something should have broke you but didn't,
and you came through the other side of that tunnel
and you're stronger.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Relevan, There's a phrase I heard on television and a
guy by the name of Quitley Phipps used.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
It before he sang this song.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And being a guy that speaks to a lot of corporations,
so I used to. I don't as much anymore, but
I almost always use this because it sets up.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
A good ending and it goes.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It's in the quiet crucible of your personal private suffering
that your noblest dreams are born and God's greatest gifts
are given to you for what you've been through, And
that says it all right there. I am most proud,
most proud of not letting them break me in Pittsburgh
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when they called me dumb and stupid and basically had
nobody defending me as kind of like a man on
an island. And I was sitting in my room Jake,
all by myself, not married, and I had emotional breakdown
and I had this incredible talk to myself. I've never
said this, where I said, I am not going to
let him take this from me. I am not going
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to be destroyed by these negative people.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
You know, nobody is going to steal my dream. I
own it. It's mine.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And I had this incredible self motivating talk to myself.
And it was from that moment on that I developed
I did, and.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
How he loves it.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
When I say mirror economics or mirror self evaluation.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
What does that mean to me?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Stand in front of the mirror and have a talk
with yourself, and you'll tell yourself.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
You low life, you non working dog, You better do this.
You know it's I call it mirror economics, but it's
basically it's a self evaluation. And when you do that
and you're all alone by yourself, you're going to be
brutally honest.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
You're not going to try to pull something over someone's
eyes or pretend to be something you're not. You're going
to be brutally honest with yourself and you're going to
take that and you're going to apply it to your life.
And it was that time where I decided I'm weak emotionally.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Everything bothers me.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I need a pad on the back, I need love,
I need this, I need that.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
But I'm not and I'm not and I'm not from
this day forward.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know, as you said, the shield is up, and
my shield of armor is up, and nobody's going to
break in, and I'm going to turn this around.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It may not have been in Pittsburgh, may have been
somewhere else, but thank god it was in Pittsburgh. That
is my unbreakable moment.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
This person here is certainly in that category of one
of the greatest athletes of all times, one of the
greatest Olympians of all times, but I like to have
people on who are also one of the greatest people
I've ever met of all time.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
With that, I'm going to bring in a good friend of.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Mine who we respectfully call each other each one's.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Besties, The one and only Lindsay Vaughan. How are you, bestie,
ay j how are you? I'm doing great. I love
the product placement there. Gee, are you a spokesman for somebody?
I can't tell if I.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Could tell, but mainly I just got done skiing, so
I've got helmet hair, and you know, I wanted to
be presentable, so this was my solution.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's still a thing for you, helmet air after all
these years, you still worry about helmet air.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Well, yeah, it doesn't go away like when you ski,
It just happens. It's a natural side effect.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, you're like, I'm fucking Lindsay Vonn. I could have
whatever kind of arat.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You shit me, give me your unbreakable moment, the thing
that should have broken you and didn't, and as a
result you came to the other side of that tunnel
stronger for the rest of your life.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I mean, Jay, that list is really long. There's been
many unbreakable moments. I think probably my second when I
blew out my knee in twenty thirteen acl MCL to
be a plateau fracture, and then ten months later I
did it again, just no MCL, and basically the entire
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world wrote me off and it almost broke me. It
was close, probably one of the hardest times of my life,
but I crawled my way out. I learned how to
walk again. I learned how to didn't run. Running was
out of the question. But I won my second race
back and that was is basically two years of being
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out of competition, and that was probably one of my
proudest moments. I cried like a little baby, and I
guarantee you that no one else would have been able
to do what I did.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Going to bring a good friend of mine from a
long time ago when friends were ages from New York City.
But now we have something else we bond with, which
is mental health, and that is Kenneth Cole.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
How are you, brother?
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I'm great, Jay. So if you do get a successful
designer on the show some day, let me know.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, I kind of fucked that one up, didn't I. Yeah,
give me your unbreakable moment, like the moment of your
life that should have broken you, could have broken you,
and because it didn't, you came through the other side
of that tunnel and made you a lot stronger.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
So I woke up one morning and I realized that
the stores were all the whole retail business in the
United States was struggling, and then there was only a
few retailers left. That Macy's was about to be acquired
by Federated Department Stores, which and they or they were
both in debt up to their eyes, and they already
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had no service on the floor. And it became clear
to me that in order for them to justify and
afford this, they had to change their business model, which
meant they were going to have to get rid of
the middle man, and they were going to have to
source product independently. And I realized, wait a second, I'm
that middleman, and so I went back to sleep, took
some ass from them, back to sleep, woke up, and
I said, wait a second, I don't have to be
that middleman.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
If I opened stores and I could become the destination,
then I'm not the middleman anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
They are.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
So I changed the business model and went public, in
order to fund opening stores, and I became a retailer,
and I built got to focused.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
On building the brand and not just creating cool shoes
for cool people.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Have been very open about meeting certain teammates in my life,
people that I lean into as I have struggled. I
used to sit there and suffer in silence. But I've
needed a fight team. I've needed people I could lean
into and walker walk together with. And my guest right now,
I probably leaned into this man more than just about
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
In my life when I struggle.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
He's one of the people that I immediately call because
he gets me. And you'll probably be surprised that he
gets me so much because he is man, mister everything.
He's Walter Payton Man of the Year award winner, he's
a Super Bowl champion, and he is probably the most
handsome guy who's ever played in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Let's just say that he looks.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Exactly like me, except you know, eight feet taller and
eight hundred pounds heavy year But that is my boy.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Andrew Whitworth. How are you, brother, I'm good, brother.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Thank you so much for let me come on here
with you today.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
No, absolutely letting you come on, you kid me, and
people don't realize it. Look, when I wrote my book Unbreakable,
and I tried to explain what mental health issues were,
what the gray was. Andrew and I were sitting in
Cabo with Sean McVay in the famous weekend when we
did happen to run into Matthew Stafford in Cabo.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
Just happened, you know, just happened to right a lot
of people you run into in a hot tub, you know,
it happened.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It started in the hot tub, went back to Whitworth's room.
Next thing you know, Matt Stafford. He's a ram go figure.
Speaker 9 (08:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's love at first sight.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
No, it's hey, that was a special week I'll never
forget us visiting and talking about you writing your book
and obviously wow, to think where both of us have
gone from there, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Give me your unbreakable moment, that moment that should have
or could have broken you and didn't, and you came
through the other side of that.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Tall I think anytime in sports you have lots of
moments that maybe you could break you from a sports standpoint,
but I think for me, my unbreakable moment would be
when I when I went to the NFL with the
Cincinnati Bengals. A lot of people don't realize the beginning
of this story. And everyone heard the Walter Payton Man
of the Year speech about Derek Barnes and our interaction
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on the field and me going to a boys and
girls club and meeting him as I was a rookie
in the NFL, and sixteen years later he's on an
NFL field with me and tells me, like, man, you
influenced my life and you made a difference, and I
couldn't wait to get to the NFL to tell you
thank you. But what they don't realize is that when
I got drafted in the NFL, I was fresh out
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of a divorce in college. I married a girl in
college for six months and got divorced, drafted in the league,
and two weeks later, my best friend in life, Lee Deal,
was killed in action in Iraq, and I went through
a divorce of a relationship and the divorce of, you know,
my friend dying, who's one of my closest people in life.
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We grew up together, we were college roommates. He then went
and went and joined the Navy and was on a
special recon team and was killed in action. And so
what people don't realize about that Derek Barnes story is
that as much as I was there for Derek Barnes
those Tuesday visits to sit with him and his buddies
and talk about life and to sit on just a
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step on the side of the concrete and throw the
football together, I spent time with those kids, it's because
I was so empty inside and so like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Know what's worth living.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
For that, Derek Barnes was as much there for me
as I ever was for Derek Barnes. And so when
he walked up to me last November after that game
and told me, dude, I couldn't wait for the moment
to tell you I made it to the NFL, I.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Blacked out when that happened.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
I literally asked our PR person afterwards, like, what did
I say back to him?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Do you remember?
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Because just get me his number. I need to talk
to him because I have no idea what happened, because
to me, it was like, man like I went back
to that spot, that unbreakable moment where I didn't know
who I was or what I ever wanted out of
life or any of that had no passions, nothing, and
it just took me back to that concrete step sitting
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with those kids and realizing like wow, like you're here,
but wow, I'm here too, and I have no idea
how we got here, you know, And it's just it's
so that will always be what I'll remember, Like I
remember the Super Bowl, I remember Walt Speaton, Man of
you here all. That's really cool that moment, Man, it took
me back to a place where, Wow, not only was
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I dark, I had no idea what tomorrow was. It
was just an empty place. But it's really cool that
now it's a place that's filled up with so many
cool memories and joy and awesome moments.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
One of the guys who was very proud to beat
the hell out of me on a daily basis for
a long time is my guest here. That is the
UFC six time World Champ Hall of Famer, my brother
and co creator with me of MMA Athletics, Randy Coutour. My, dude,
give your own breakable moment, that moment like that changed
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your life, that something tried to break you couldn't and
you came through the other side of that tunnel.
Speaker 10 (11:50):
Yeah, that was a journey for me through the support
of wrestling. I started wrestling at ten years old to
get my dad's attention. My dad was a dead beat.
He was never around, no support that my mom raised
service par herself. But I heard my whole life what
a great wrestler he was and what a tough guy
he was. So I donned the compulsory uniform of that era,
tights in a singlet, and walked out in front of
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all my classmates, hoping to get his attention that he
would come around. He never saw me wrestle, not a
single match in my entire career, but I found the
place that seemed to make me tick. Those coaches were very,
very important to me because they filled that boyd. When
I needed to kick any ass, they were the guys
to grab me and do that. When I needed an
arm thrown around me in a new gie, it's going
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to be okay, it's going to be all right, they
were the guys to do that too. I don't think
they knew that. I've talked to my coaches. I'm good
friends with Coach k Spear, my very first coach. I
don't think he knew what he meant to me, and
that boyd and that thing that he was providing for
me that I didn't have at home.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But that was.
Speaker 10 (12:51):
Certainly the journey for me, and the courage to don
that uniform and walk out there in an individual combattive
sport like wrestling. Forget winning or losing. Hell, that was
enough just doing that, but that, you know, and then
setting a goal. Even though he was it didn't work.
He never came around, he never saw me. I eventually,
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you know, it was in the state finals my senior year.
I was at one time state champion in Washington. He
wasn't there, But that journey culminated with me fulfilling that
dream to be that state champion, and that's when I
realized I can do this. I used that I could
have used as an excuse to be a douchebag and
make a lot of bad decisions and do.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
A lot of bad things.
Speaker 10 (13:35):
I used it instead to motivate myself, you know, arrantly
trying to get his attention, but still found my calling,
found my vocation, the place that I.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Belonged ultimately led me down this road.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Played for thirteen years in the NFL, six time pro bowler,
twenty one catches in a game, A good friend of mine,
Brandon Marshall, welcome him in and p marsh give me
your unbreakable moment, Give me the moment that man, you
went through the deepest, darkest tunnel. It could have broken you,
but it didn't, and you came through the other side
of that tunnel much stronger as a result.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Man, there's so many.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
The first one was in college and I grew up
as a superstar right like on this pedestal. And then
there was three years where I didn't think I was
gonna make it to the NFL and hit my you know,
my goals, and I never forget laying in the tub
and the ice bath the day before the game, body
just feeling like crap, mind feeling like crap, and I
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was just crying, crying my eyes out. Anyways, I ended
up doing this, jumping out of that tub, going to
the tattoo parlor and getting two stars on my side.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
One says born, one says die.
Speaker 9 (14:42):
And that was my way of like coming out of
that moment where it's like I may be in some
shit right now, and that's where I want to be.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
But I knew I was born in star and I'm
a dire star.
Speaker 9 (14:52):
So before every play, every moment on the field, you
see me tapping my sides and then doing this, and
that was me going back to that moment, like don't
forget who you are and why you're here. There was
another moment in twenty eleven before I went to McLain
hospital when when my buddy right where Mike sims Walker
and I were fighting on the field and he basically like,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Know who you are.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
I know who you are, right, And so in that
moment of going to McClain hospital was there for three months, man,
I was sitting there where people had blood seeping through
their arms because they were self harming. There was a
young lady named Sasha, we call it Sasha Bear. She
was fifteen years old. She was in a three East program.
She completed suicide. Like I was in some real stuff.
Speaker 11 (15:31):
Man.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I was on campus where.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
People was literally walking around talking to themselves and you
say how low, they won't even respond back.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
You weren't even there dealing with psychosis and so many
different things.
Speaker 9 (15:41):
And that moment, like I could have my life could
have went totally Leffer could have totally totally right. And
then the last moment is right now, like I'm in
probably one of the toughest moments I could ever be in, right,
maybe even tougher than where I was right building this
company entrepreneurship, eighty employees. You know, I invested all the
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money building apps and building this stuff. Bro, when I
tell you I'm dealing with some stuff, I'm dealing with
some stuff. But now I have the resources and skills
to be able to cope with the apps and flows
of it.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
So it's tough.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I cried two nights ago.
Speaker 9 (16:18):
I cried two nights ago because I found out there's
someone that in my circle from a team standpoint, I.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Gotta let go.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
And it's breaking my heart that I gotta let this
person go because there's so many other implications to that,
And so like I've probably cried over the last three years,
probably six times built in this company. Bro, I can't
give it all to you because because I'm saving it
from my.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Book, I got it. But you just gotta trust me, Bro,
you gotta trust me.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
And so like, now I'm able to deal with it
and still perform at a high level because I'm taking
care of myself.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
A friend of mine.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Who I have trained with, who lived with me and
my son for a while, came out on national television
and told the world he was struggling. That friend just
happens to be the best tackle the National Football League.
And Lane Johnson, give me a moment in your life,
your unbreakable.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Moment, something that could have broken.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
This doesn't have to be mental health wise, just anything,
something in your life, your career, whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Something that, like, for me is when I almost died
with my lungs and then freaking came all the.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Way back and open unbreakable with an oxygen attack.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
My other unbreakable moment was, you know, eleven years after
starting my career, get my first full time job and not.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Not Quinn, after eleven years.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Of fucking rejection, making nine thousand step four hundred and
fifty bucks a year living in New York City.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
What is your unbreakable moment?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Give me that moment for you that something should have broken,
you didn't, and you came through the other side of
that tunnel stronger because of.
Speaker 12 (17:42):
It, I mean, overcoming just really this past year with
the injuries, the anxiety, you know, even the coming forth
and now you know, telling people, you know, kind of
my journey and then uh, really is just be wary
of the people you're around every day at work.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Try to lighten people up.
Speaker 13 (18:02):
And like I said, a conflict can go a long
way for people, A good conversation can go a long
way for people. And I feel like the initiation of
that might be the hardest part, but once you break
that door down, then it helpens.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It up for a much better life.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
My guy that I'm bringing in here is my walking antidepressant.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Really is my guy, David Spade.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Give me your and break all the moment the one
thing in your life it should have broken, you didn't,
and as a result, you came through the other side
of that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 11 (18:30):
That's sort of a complex question I would have to say.
I would have to go with I'll go with probably
dad leaving, Dad leaving when those four my brother's just
six and eight, And that's a hard one.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
That's a very hard one.
Speaker 11 (18:43):
I didn't really even notice how hard it was because
I had a lot of anger. It just came out
in different ways with all of us. And when you
want someone to rely on, or you're sick, when you're
eleven and you want to call your dad and you can't,
he calls me when he wants. You know, he was
around when he just wasn't available, and so that was
a very tough one even throughout my life. But I
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think in a world of like a victim mentality, I
have to say I can't just talk about those things.
You have to just say, here's the cards you're dealt
and go forward or not because no one's there to
help you. That's not any one's job. So if you
want to move forward, you got to take what happens
and move forward. You can't just blame, blame, blame. I mean,
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it's easier said than done, and I have not done
it perfectly, but I just realized it's either that or nothing.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
It was like the Joder movie.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
That was part of it going. You got to keep
keeping on because what else you going to do? So
I had to do it. My mom, luckily was so
great and made up the best she could, so I
owe her everything. But yeah, that was that was it.
It bothered me you know for obviously for a long
long My.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Dude, Freddy Fritz Junior, how are you, my man? I'm
very well, how are you good? Good?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Now I ask all my guests this, give me your
unbreakable moment one thing in life, man, that could have
broken you, should have broken you, but it didn't, and
as a result, you came through the other side of
that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 14 (20:08):
Yeah, I mean we touched on it earlier, because I
definitely there's nothing unbreakable about me. Being breakable is what
keeps me sharp, It's what keeps me focused, It's what
keeps me disciplined. Knowing that all this precious life, everything
I have, it can all be gone in a moment's
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notice if life doesn't turn out the way it's supposed to.
So every time those moments come, I really try to
be prepared for him. When I decided to move to
Los Angeles and pursue this business, that was one of
those make or break moments.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I could have quit.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I could have given up.
Speaker 14 (20:46):
I hated being told no, I hated being told I
wasn't good enough. I hated having bad auditions when I
knew I had a better performance somewhere inside me. I
just couldn't get it out at that moment. I have
moments in the car where I wanted to turn around
and be like, give me one more chance, But you
can't do that. It's so unprofessional, so there were times
where I was ready to walk away, and then you know,
it was that discipline from my godfather, you know, and
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those those BS quotes that he would always hit me with.
I'm in control of my actions and my reactions to
the actions of others, and so every not I heard,
I just had to control.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
The way that made me feel. And it was all right, you.
Speaker 14 (21:21):
Don't think I'm good enough, You'll see. And the next
time I went in, I made sure I was better,
and I had to hustle, I had to lie. I
did everything I could to get as many auditions and
as much experience as I could so that when those
big dogs called me in they couldn't talk shit like
they would have. They wouldn't be able to deny me,
and eventually I broke through. You know, I had to
wait for skeet Alric to be busy because we popped
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at the same time. But once he booked a movie,
I was like, all right, there's gonna be six opportunities.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I got to get one of them.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
See, I want to correct you because you said you're
not unbreakable. You're unbreakable because there's a lot of things
that could have broken, but you didn't stay down.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, in the permanent sense A percent. Damn right. I
couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Hey man, I appreciate your brother. Thank you so much again.
Wrestling with Freddie as Wrestling Podcast. Make sure everybody here
tunes into that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Dude. Can't thank you enough.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
You know, hopefully you and I can break some bread
and man shit have Strayham won't get his ass back
at her.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
You can teach me I have a surf. That not
a problem, man. We live pretty close to each other.
Speaker 14 (22:19):
Sow Man, you and to all your listeners, it's a
fight every day, so put your hands up.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Love it. Freddy Prince Junior, Thank you, my dude.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah, man, my pleasure.
Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
And you know, I've been.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Trying to figure out how do I possibly introduce this
chat in the right way. You know what, It's family,
and this dude has been part of your family for
probably decades and decades. He's been part of my family
for the last twenty years at Fox NFL Sunday. Probably
most famous for coming out with a Christmas album. I
was saying, uh, he's done a couple other things. It's
(00:26):
one and only Terry Brawshaw.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Everybody, thanks Jay Lazer.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Yeah, thanks for bringing up that Christmas album.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's the only reason I wanted you want it is holiday?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Wee you, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
What's that moment in your life?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's called unbreakable that something should have broke you but didn't,
and you came through the other side of that tunnel
and you're stronger.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Relevan, There's a phrase I heard on television and a
guy by the name of Quitley Phipps used.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
It before he sang this song.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And being a guy that speaks to a lot of corporations,
so I used to. I don't as much anymore, but
I almost always use this because it sets up.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
A good ending and it goes.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It's in the quiet crucible of your personal private suffering
that your noblest dreams are born and God's greatest gifts
are given to you for what you've been through, And
that says it all right there. I am most proud,
most proud of not letting them break me in Pittsburgh
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when they called me dumb and stupid and basically had
nobody defending me as kind of like a man on
an island. And I was sitting in my room Jake,
all by myself, not married, and I had emotional breakdown
and I had this incredible talk to myself. I've never
said this, where I said, I am not going to
let him take this from me. I am not going
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to be destroyed by these negative people.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
You know, nobody is going to steal my dream. I
own it. It's mine.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And I had this incredible self motivating talk to myself.
And it was from that moment on that I developed
I did, and.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
How he loves it.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
When I say mirror economics or mirror self evaluation.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
What does that mean to me?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Stand in front of the mirror and have a talk
with yourself, and you'll tell yourself.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
You low life, you non working dog, You better do this.
You know it's I call it mirror economics, but it's
basically it's a self evaluation. And when you do that
and you're all alone by yourself, you're going to be
brutally honest.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
You're not going to try to pull something over someone's
eyes or pretend to be something you're not. You're going
to be brutally honest with yourself and you're going to
take that and you're going to apply it to your life.
And it was that time where I decided I'm weak emotionally.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Everything bothers me.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I need a pad on the back, I need love,
I need this, I need that.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
But I'm not and I'm not and I'm not from
this day forward.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know, as you said, the shield is up, and
my shield of armor is up, and nobody's going to
break in, and I'm going to turn this around.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It may not have been in Pittsburgh, may have been
somewhere else, but thank god it was in Pittsburgh. That
is my unbreakable moment.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
This person here is certainly in that category of one
of the greatest athletes of all times, one of the
greatest Olympians of all times, but I like to have
people on who are also one of the greatest people
I've ever met of all time.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
With that, I'm going to bring in a good friend of.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Mine who we respectfully call each other each one's.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Besties, The one and only Lindsay Vaughan. How are you, bestie,
ay j how are you? I'm doing great. I love
the product placement there. Gee, are you a spokesman for somebody?
I can't tell if I.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Could tell, but mainly I just got done skiing, so
I've got helmet hair, and you know, I wanted to
be presentable, so this was my solution.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's still a thing for you, helmet air after all
these years, you still worry about helmet air.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Well, yeah, it doesn't go away like when you ski,
It just happens. It's a natural side effect.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, you're like, I'm fucking Lindsay Vonn. I could have
whatever kind of arat.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You shit me, give me your unbreakable moment, the thing
that should have broken you and didn't, and as a
result you came to the other side of that tunnel
stronger for the rest of your life.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I mean, Jay, that list is really long. There's been
many unbreakable moments. I think probably my second when I
blew out my knee in twenty thirteen acl MCL to
be a plateau fracture, and then ten months later I
did it again, just no MCL, and basically the entire
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world wrote me off and it almost broke me. It
was close, probably one of the hardest times of my life,
but I crawled my way out. I learned how to
walk again. I learned how to didn't run. Running was
out of the question. But I won my second race
back and that was is basically two years of being
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out of competition, and that was probably one of my
proudest moments. I cried like a little baby, and I
guarantee you that no one else would have been able
to do what I did.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Going to bring a good friend of mine from a
long time ago when friends were ages from New York City.
But now we have something else we bond with, which
is mental health, and that is Kenneth Cole.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
How are you, brother?
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I'm great, Jay. So if you do get a successful
designer on the show some day, let me know.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, I kind of fucked that one up, didn't I. Yeah,
give me your unbreakable moment, like the moment of your
life that should have broken you, could have broken you,
and because it didn't, you came through the other side
of that tunnel and made you a lot stronger.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
So I woke up one morning and I realized that
the stores were all the whole retail business in the
United States was struggling, and then there was only a
few retailers left. That Macy's was about to be acquired
by Federated Department Stores, which and they or they were
both in debt up to their eyes, and they already
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had no service on the floor. And it became clear
to me that in order for them to justify and
afford this, they had to change their business model, which
meant they were going to have to get rid of
the middle man, and they were going to have to
source product independently. And I realized, wait a second, I'm
that middleman, and so I went back to sleep, took
some ass from them, back to sleep, woke up, and
I said, wait a second, I don't have to be
that middleman.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
If I opened stores and I could become the destination,
then I'm not the middleman anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
They are.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
So I changed the business model and went public, in
order to fund opening stores, and I became a retailer,
and I built got to focused.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
On building the brand and not just creating cool shoes
for cool people.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Have been very open about meeting certain teammates in my life,
people that I lean into as I have struggled. I
used to sit there and suffer in silence. But I've
needed a fight team. I've needed people I could lean
into and walker walk together with. And my guest right now,
I probably leaned into this man more than just about
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
In my life when I struggle.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
He's one of the people that I immediately call because
he gets me. And you'll probably be surprised that he
gets me so much because he is man, mister everything.
He's Walter Payton Man of the Year award winner, he's
a Super Bowl champion, and he is probably the most
handsome guy who's ever played in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Let's just say that he looks.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Exactly like me, except you know, eight feet taller and
eight hundred pounds heavy year But that is my boy.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Andrew Whitworth. How are you, brother, I'm good, brother.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Thank you so much for let me come on here
with you today.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
No, absolutely letting you come on, you kid me, and
people don't realize it. Look, when I wrote my book Unbreakable,
and I tried to explain what mental health issues were,
what the gray was. Andrew and I were sitting in
Cabo with Sean McVay in the famous weekend when we
did happen to run into Matthew Stafford in Cabo.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
Just happened, you know, just happened to right a lot
of people you run into in a hot tub, you know,
it happened.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It started in the hot tub, went back to Whitworth's room.
Next thing you know, Matt Stafford. He's a ram go figure.
Speaker 9 (08:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's love at first sight.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
No, it's hey, that was a special week I'll never
forget us visiting and talking about you writing your book
and obviously wow, to think where both of us have
gone from there, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Give me your unbreakable moment, that moment that should have
or could have broken you and didn't, and you came
through the other side of that.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Tall I think anytime in sports you have lots of
moments that maybe you could break you from a sports standpoint,
but I think for me, my unbreakable moment would be
when I when I went to the NFL with the
Cincinnati Bengals. A lot of people don't realize the beginning
of this story. And everyone heard the Walter Payton Man
of the Year speech about Derek Barnes and our interaction
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on the field and me going to a boys and
girls club and meeting him as I was a rookie
in the NFL, and sixteen years later he's on an
NFL field with me and tells me, like, man, you
influenced my life and you made a difference, and I
couldn't wait to get to the NFL to tell you
thank you. But what they don't realize is that when
I got drafted in the NFL, I was fresh out
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of a divorce in college. I married a girl in
college for six months and got divorced, drafted in the league,
and two weeks later, my best friend in life, Lee Deal,
was killed in action in Iraq, and I went through
a divorce of a relationship and the divorce of, you know,
my friend dying, who's one of my closest people in life.
(09:35):
We grew up together, we were college roommates. He then went
and went and joined the Navy and was on a
special recon team and was killed in action. And so
what people don't realize about that Derek Barnes story is
that as much as I was there for Derek Barnes
those Tuesday visits to sit with him and his buddies
and talk about life and to sit on just a
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step on the side of the concrete and throw the
football together, I spent time with those kids, it's because
I was so empty inside and so like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Know what's worth living.
Speaker 8 (10:05):
For that, Derek Barnes was as much there for me
as I ever was for Derek Barnes. And so when
he walked up to me last November after that game
and told me, dude, I couldn't wait for the moment
to tell you I made it to the NFL, I.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Blacked out when that happened.
Speaker 8 (10:23):
I literally asked our PR person afterwards, like, what did
I say back to him?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Do you remember?
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Because just get me his number. I need to talk
to him because I have no idea what happened, because
to me, it was like, man like I went back
to that spot, that unbreakable moment where I didn't know
who I was or what I ever wanted out of
life or any of that had no passions, nothing, and
it just took me back to that concrete step sitting
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with those kids and realizing like wow, like you're here,
but wow, I'm here too, and I have no idea
how we got here, you know, And it's just it's
so that will always be what I'll remember, Like I
remember the Super Bowl, I remember Walt Speaton, Man of
you here all. That's really cool that moment, Man, it took
me back to a place where, Wow, not only was
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I dark, I had no idea what tomorrow was. It
was just an empty place. But it's really cool that
now it's a place that's filled up with so many
cool memories and joy and awesome moments.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
One of the guys who was very proud to beat
the hell out of me on a daily basis for
a long time is my guest here. That is the
UFC six time World Champ Hall of Famer, my brother
and co creator with me of MMA Athletics, Randy Coutour. My, dude,
give your own breakable moment, that moment like that changed
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your life, that something tried to break you couldn't and
you came through the other side of that tunnel.
Speaker 10 (11:50):
Yeah, that was a journey for me through the support
of wrestling. I started wrestling at ten years old to
get my dad's attention. My dad was a dead beat.
He was never around, no support that my mom raised
service par herself. But I heard my whole life what
a great wrestler he was and what a tough guy
he was. So I donned the compulsory uniform of that era,
tights in a singlet, and walked out in front of
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all my classmates, hoping to get his attention that he
would come around. He never saw me wrestle, not a
single match in my entire career, but I found the
place that seemed to make me tick. Those coaches were very,
very important to me because they filled that boyd. When
I needed to kick any ass, they were the guys
to grab me and do that. When I needed an
arm thrown around me in a new gie, it's going
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to be okay, it's going to be all right, they
were the guys to do that too. I don't think
they knew that. I've talked to my coaches. I'm good
friends with Coach k Spear, my very first coach. I
don't think he knew what he meant to me, and
that boyd and that thing that he was providing for
me that I didn't have at home.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But that was.
Speaker 10 (12:51):
Certainly the journey for me, and the courage to don
that uniform and walk out there in an individual combattive
sport like wrestling. Forget winning or losing. Hell, that was
enough just doing that, but that, you know, and then
setting a goal. Even though he was it didn't work.
He never came around, he never saw me. I eventually,
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you know, it was in the state finals my senior year.
I was at one time state champion in Washington. He
wasn't there, But that journey culminated with me fulfilling that
dream to be that state champion, and that's when I
realized I can do this. I used that I could
have used as an excuse to be a douchebag and
make a lot of bad decisions and do.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
A lot of bad things.
Speaker 10 (13:35):
I used it instead to motivate myself, you know, arrantly
trying to get his attention, but still found my calling,
found my vocation, the place that I.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Belonged ultimately led me down this road.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Played for thirteen years in the NFL, six time pro bowler,
twenty one catches in a game, A good friend of mine,
Brandon Marshall, welcome him in and p marsh give me
your unbreakable moment, Give me the moment that man, you
went through the deepest, darkest tunnel. It could have broken you,
but it didn't, and you came through the other side
of that tunnel much stronger as a result.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Man, there's so many.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
The first one was in college and I grew up
as a superstar right like on this pedestal. And then
there was three years where I didn't think I was
gonna make it to the NFL and hit my you know,
my goals, and I never forget laying in the tub
and the ice bath the day before the game, body
just feeling like crap, mind feeling like crap, and I
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was just crying, crying my eyes out. Anyways, I ended
up doing this, jumping out of that tub, going to
the tattoo parlor and getting two stars on my side.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
One says born, one says die.
Speaker 9 (14:42):
And that was my way of like coming out of
that moment where it's like I may be in some
shit right now, and that's where I want to be.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
But I knew I was born in star and I'm
a dire star.
Speaker 9 (14:52):
So before every play, every moment on the field, you
see me tapping my sides and then doing this, and
that was me going back to that moment, like don't
forget who you are and why you're here. There was
another moment in twenty eleven before I went to McLain
hospital when when my buddy right where Mike sims Walker
and I were fighting on the field and he basically like,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Know who you are.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
I know who you are, right, And so in that
moment of going to McClain hospital was there for three months, man,
I was sitting there where people had blood seeping through
their arms because they were self harming. There was a
young lady named Sasha, we call it Sasha Bear. She
was fifteen years old. She was in a three East program.
She completed suicide. Like I was in some real stuff.
Speaker 11 (15:31):
Man.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I was on campus where.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
People was literally walking around talking to themselves and you
say how low, they won't even respond back.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
You weren't even there dealing with psychosis and so many
different things.
Speaker 9 (15:41):
And that moment, like I could have my life could
have went totally Leffer could have totally totally right. And
then the last moment is right now, like I'm in
probably one of the toughest moments I could ever be in, right,
maybe even tougher than where I was right building this
company entrepreneurship, eighty employees. You know, I invested all the
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money building apps and building this stuff. Bro, when I
tell you I'm dealing with some stuff, I'm dealing with
some stuff. But now I have the resources and skills
to be able to cope with the apps and flows
of it.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
So it's tough.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I cried two nights ago.
Speaker 9 (16:18):
I cried two nights ago because I found out there's
someone that in my circle from a team standpoint, I.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Gotta let go.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
And it's breaking my heart that I gotta let this
person go because there's so many other implications to that,
And so like I've probably cried over the last three years,
probably six times built in this company. Bro, I can't
give it all to you because because I'm saving it
from my.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Book, I got it. But you just gotta trust me, Bro,
you gotta trust me.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
And so like, now I'm able to deal with it
and still perform at a high level because I'm taking
care of myself.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
A friend of mine.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Who I have trained with, who lived with me and
my son for a while, came out on national television
and told the world he was struggling. That friend just
happens to be the best tackle the National Football League.
And Lane Johnson, give me a moment in your life,
your unbreakable.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Moment, something that could have broken.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
This doesn't have to be mental health wise, just anything,
something in your life, your career, whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Something that, like, for me is when I almost died
with my lungs and then freaking came all the.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Way back and open unbreakable with an oxygen attack.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
My other unbreakable moment was, you know, eleven years after
starting my career, get my first full time job and not.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Not Quinn, after eleven years.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Of fucking rejection, making nine thousand step four hundred and
fifty bucks a year living in New York City.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
What is your unbreakable moment?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Give me that moment for you that something should have broken,
you didn't, and you came through the other side of
that tunnel stronger because of.
Speaker 12 (17:42):
It, I mean, overcoming just really this past year with
the injuries, the anxiety, you know, even the coming forth
and now you know, telling people, you know, kind of
my journey and then uh, really is just be wary
of the people you're around every day at work.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Try to lighten people up.
Speaker 13 (18:02):
And like I said, a conflict can go a long
way for people, A good conversation can go a long
way for people. And I feel like the initiation of
that might be the hardest part, but once you break
that door down, then it helpens.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It up for a much better life.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
My guy that I'm bringing in here is my walking antidepressant.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Really is my guy, David Spade.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Give me your and break all the moment the one
thing in your life it should have broken, you didn't,
and as a result, you came through the other side
of that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 11 (18:30):
That's sort of a complex question I would have to say.
I would have to go with I'll go with probably
dad leaving, Dad leaving when those four my brother's just
six and eight, And that's a hard one.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
That's a very hard one.
Speaker 11 (18:43):
I didn't really even notice how hard it was because
I had a lot of anger. It just came out
in different ways with all of us. And when you
want someone to rely on, or you're sick, when you're
eleven and you want to call your dad and you can't,
he calls me when he wants. You know, he was
around when he just wasn't available, and so that was
a very tough one even throughout my life. But I
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think in a world of like a victim mentality, I
have to say I can't just talk about those things.
You have to just say, here's the cards you're dealt
and go forward or not because no one's there to
help you. That's not any one's job. So if you
want to move forward, you got to take what happens
and move forward. You can't just blame, blame, blame. I mean,
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it's easier said than done, and I have not done
it perfectly, but I just realized it's either that or nothing.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
It was like the Joder movie.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
That was part of it going. You got to keep
keeping on because what else you going to do? So
I had to do it. My mom, luckily was so
great and made up the best she could, so I
owe her everything. But yeah, that was that was it.
It bothered me you know for obviously for a long
long My.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Dude, Freddy Fritz Junior, how are you, my man? I'm
very well, how are you good? Good?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Now I ask all my guests this, give me your
unbreakable moment one thing in life, man, that could have
broken you, should have broken you, but it didn't, and
as a result, you came through the other side of
that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 14 (20:08):
Yeah, I mean we touched on it earlier, because I
definitely there's nothing unbreakable about me. Being breakable is what
keeps me sharp, It's what keeps me focused, It's what
keeps me disciplined. Knowing that all this precious life, everything
I have, it can all be gone in a moment's
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notice if life doesn't turn out the way it's supposed to.
So every time those moments come, I really try to
be prepared for him. When I decided to move to
Los Angeles and pursue this business, that was one of
those make or break moments.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I could have quit.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I could have given up.
Speaker 14 (20:46):
I hated being told no, I hated being told I
wasn't good enough. I hated having bad auditions when I
knew I had a better performance somewhere inside me. I
just couldn't get it out at that moment. I have
moments in the car where I wanted to turn around
and be like, give me one more chance, But you
can't do that. It's so unprofessional, so there were times
where I was ready to walk away, and then you know,
it was that discipline from my godfather, you know, and
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those those BS quotes that he would always hit me with.
I'm in control of my actions and my reactions to
the actions of others, and so every not I heard,
I just had to control.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
The way that made me feel. And it was all right, you.
Speaker 14 (21:21):
Don't think I'm good enough, You'll see. And the next
time I went in, I made sure I was better,
and I had to hustle, I had to lie. I
did everything I could to get as many auditions and
as much experience as I could so that when those
big dogs called me in they couldn't talk shit like
they would have. They wouldn't be able to deny me,
and eventually I broke through. You know, I had to
wait for skeet Alric to be busy because we popped
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at the same time. But once he booked a movie,
I was like, all right, there's gonna be six opportunities.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I got to get one of them.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
See, I want to correct you because you said you're
not unbreakable. You're unbreakable because there's a lot of things
that could have broken, but you didn't stay down.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, in the permanent sense A percent. Damn right. I
couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Hey man, I appreciate your brother. Thank you so much again.
Wrestling with Freddie as Wrestling Podcast. Make sure everybody here
tunes into that.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Dude. Can't thank you enough.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
You know, hopefully you and I can break some bread
and man shit have Strayham won't get his ass back
at her.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
You can teach me I have a surf. That not
a problem, man. We live pretty close to each other.
Speaker 14 (22:19):
Sow Man, you and to all your listeners, it's a
fight every day, so put your hands up.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Love it. Freddy Prince Junior, Thank you, my dude.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
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