Mark Willard and Jason Martin talk Deion Sanders, LSU vs FSU and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's become a popular thing to do in twenty twenty three.
Blame the media, and it's a hard thing to do
when you're in the media, but we'll give it a shot.
How about that? At least that's from my perspective. Welcome in,
Jason Martin in for Ephram Salam along here with Mark
Willard on a beautiful Fox Football Sunday, the Final Sunday,

(00:28):
the Final Sunday where we are not going to be
breaking down all the NFL that has just poured out
on our television sets. Good evening to you, Jason Martin.
How you doing, man?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm doing well, you know, and you know this because
you've done this for a long time, just like I have.
I think at some points you get to a level
where the summer you don't really call it the dead
period anymore because you can find things. And I do
think this summer was more interesting than some in terms
of storylines to follow in the sports that were happening

(00:59):
and some of the off the field happenings in football.
That said, this is where it becomes stealing money for
what we do because college football where I am in Nashville,
obviously is king. The NFL is king of the world,
at least as it relates to North America and especially
here in America. And we're about five days away now

(01:20):
from getting that kicked off, so man, actually four days
away from getting the first game kicked off on Thursday night.
So it is just it's here, like all of the
off time, everything is over, and I am super excited
to have a Number five versus Number eight matchup on
the screen in front of me. That's live. It's not
like a tape delayed thing from three years ago that's

(01:41):
running on SEC network right now. Just very very excited
that we have football to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
About, no doubt about it. In fact, I went on
a Cubs podcast earlier this morning because the Cubs and
Giants are about to have a little wildcard matchup in Chicago,
and I almost had to apologize to him. I'm like, look,
we'll sit here and talk this out all you want,
but you're going to promote the show that I do
during the week in San Francisco. And I had to

(02:08):
tell them, I go, I don't know that this series
is even going to get talked about on my show
when it gets back on Tuesday. After the holiday because
football football, and hell, we've had a hard time in
San Francisco talking about anything other than the quarterback position,
let alone another team. Let alone another team, as the

(02:31):
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(02:53):
I told you I also do some work of the
PAC twelve network, and I was there all day yesterday.
The Pac twelve has not lost a game yet. They
have the most interesting story in all of college football.
He goes by the name Coach Prime. And I sat
there and thought to myself, as I as I'm sitting
there watching all the games and talking about it, and
I'm like, it would be the most packed twelve thing

(03:13):
ever to finally have a breakout season. And you got
Caleb Williams, and you've got Coach Prime, and you've got
all of these things that are going to be unbelievable
for Pac twelve and have it all come together the
season they've been waiting for, only to watch everybody walk

(03:34):
right out the door and head to a new conference
as soon as it's over.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Uh yeah, it's unreal actually because I mean, you just
laid that a couple of things, but I mean, you
got Bo Nicks, You've got Michael Pennox junior, You've got
dj Ullangilila, You've got all of a sudden, there are
marquee names at the marquee position in American team sports,
all in your conference. And it's a lame duck year
before everybody he heads somewhere else. Like it's it's astonishing

(04:03):
and it feels almost unfair. But I mean you're you
know it as well as anybody else. Pack twelve us
to blame because they got caught with flat feet. Well,
other people were doing things, man, Scott just really set
you guys up for disaster.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
The series of moves that led to this moment are
are unfathomable, absolutely unfathomable. And so you're right, the opportunities
to still be a conference were there and they passed
and h and and I think that will that will
go down as the legacy. But as we sit here today,

(04:39):
there was a lot of joy in the room because
the number one story was Coach Prime and I mentioned
when we hit air just about five minutes ago. Sometimes
it's difficult to do the popular thing and blame the
media when you're in it. But I'm gonna I'm gonna
give a crack at it here because here's one thing
I noticed, and we'll play it for you in a

(05:01):
minute if you missed it. But Coach Deon Sanders got
into the postgame press conference room after the upset of
TCU yesterday forty five to forty two, absolutely incredible game,
and his son is out there throwing for five hundred
and ten yards. Do you know that that is a
quarter of the passing yard total that the school had

(05:23):
all of last year?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, well, I nay that the day I knew they
hadn't had four hundred yards of total offense in twenty
six consecutive games.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Before yesterday, they had just over two thousand yards passing
for this season. Last year, they had five hundred and
ten yesterday. Coach Prime son out there doing the darn thing.
But take a listen to what Dion did when he
got in front of the media after the game. This

(05:53):
is what everyone's talking about.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Balls you believe now? Hold on, hold on, hold on, no, no,
do you believe in that?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Oh no, no no, I read through that. Bull Joki
wrote that, I read through that.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I sipped it through all that.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Oh no, come on, do you believe?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
You don't believe? You just answered it.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
You don't believe?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Next question, Okay, do you believe now? What I've watched
is many of the brothers and sisters in our industry
Jason sort of not want to get loud about this
because they know that what Dion did yesterday was very,
very popular in the masses. Everybody ate that up like
a late night bowl of cereals sitting over the sink.

(06:41):
But a lot of the media is uncomfortable with that
because you'll hear people say it is not the media's
job to believe in you, It is not the media's
job to root for you. And while I agree with that,
there's also there is I think an evolution of our
business that's a little different. Now. If Dion was pulling

(07:04):
aside all of the Colorado beat writers and saying do
you believe now? And their job is literally to be like,
we're just talking about like who the backups are, Like,
we're just we're kind of doing the news here. That's
different than if he's talking to opinionists, which is what

(07:24):
we actually are. Jason, I want to have Coach Primes
back here because I think it's cowardly for members of
the media to say it's not our job to believe
in you. Well, then what is your job? Is it
your job to create the lack of belief? Is it
your job to write negative things? Is it your job

(07:46):
to share your opinion, whether positive or negative, about where
something is going, with a prediction or a comment, whatever
it may be, and if that is proven to be wrong,
expecting those on the other side, the receiving end of
those opinions to simply say stay silent and say nothing

(08:07):
about it. That. That's what I don't understand is the
media and quote unquote journalism hiding behind that.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
So I agree with you, first of all, I think that,
and I have said this for years, Mark. I think
that generally speaking, people come on to airwaves such as
ours or on television or you know the power of
the internet pen and they say a bunch of stuff,

(08:39):
and they predict a lot of things, especially negative things,
because those are the things that get the most attention,
the most clicks, the most talk, the most conversation, all
of that, and they know if they're wrong, no one
will hold them to account. They've gotten used to it.
They've gotten used to it on the debate shows, They've
gotten used to it in their columns. They've gotten used

(09:01):
to it. Like you can just go on the radio
and send themost outlandish stuff in the world, stuff you
don't even believe, and if it turns out that you're wrong,
no one is going to call you on it. So
why wouldn't you do it? Because it's going to get
attention in the moment and be forgotten about by the
time that you turn out to be wrong. So I
think that people have gotten used to doing that. The

(09:22):
problem is that's not how it really should be. There
should be an on budsman. There should be an accountability
system when you put out a lot of this stuff,
especially when you're making money off of those opinions, and
you're potentially costing people jobs, you're costing them positions, you're
causing doubt, you're doing all of these other things. So
when Prime did this yesterday. This is the kind of

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This is why if you're Colorado you love Prime. This
is why you brought him in. Because he's a pro
wrestling figure. He's a guy who's cutting a promo on
the media after one win, and he looked and he
deserved it. He deserved the right to do it. He
earned the right to do it because they proved it
on the field, and because of the controversy, and because
of the fact that he is a polarizing figure in sports,

(10:04):
but certainly in college football, the way he has upset
the traditional apple cart when he walked in and basically
told eighty percent of his roster get out, you're not
really very good. That bristle people. So now they're getting
their just desserts. They're getting exactly what they should get
every time they do this, but they realize this isn't

(10:25):
the thing that most people have the guts or the
clout to do. And Dion, he's gonna sit there with
a cowboy hat on and call you on your crap.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Well, and by the way, if he ends up being wrong,
if they lose the rest of their games this year,
that's going to come right back at him. Indeed, I mean,
you said something. Yeah, you said something interesting there. With
the regard to the idea of there should be more
accountability with right or wrong in media. We know there
is in football coaching. Right if you call the wrong play,

(10:56):
if you lose the games, you get fired. Now it's
a different I wonder exactly what you mean by accountability
for media, Like, I don't think people should be fired
for being wrong. No, it's right. It's completely okay to
be wrong. You hear media members take victory laps all

(11:17):
the time when they're right and when they're wrong. It
just kind of gets swept under the rug. But I
think this, and I wonder what you think about it,
Like it's changed, and it's not because of any one person,
one outlet, even one form of media. It has changed.

(11:38):
I had a beat writer in the NBA tell a
class that I teach just a few months ago, like
pounding out a plain old news story of like happened
in the game that night is dead. You cannot bring
that to the table anymore. There has to be some flame,

(12:00):
there has to angle. There has to be something that
you're trying to say, that's what the audience now calls for.
And if that's the case, then I don't really see
that big of an issue with the people we're talking
about getting to be in the conversation too. Like that's

(12:20):
how I viewed yesterday. He's like, hey, he's almost like
a caller to our show. They called the show you believe?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Now?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Do you believe? Now?

Speaker 5 (12:31):
Right?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Like that's all that was, And it put a lot
of people who do have the power of the pen.
It put a lot of them heels. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I mean, look, it's a give and take thing. And
my feeling was certainly not about losing your job from
being wrong a lot. It was just that I think
that when you've done this for a while, you realize
you're generally going to be wrong more often than you're
right if you're honest with most of your takes. And
I think it would be refreshing if there were a

(13:00):
show or an outlet that actually employed somebody, whether it
was a producer or just somebody that was part of
the team of your show or whatever, that literally sat
there in their job was to tabulate everything that you
said that could qualify as a prediction and then hold
you into account for it. Because the thing that's amazing
to me is we get to NFL previews. We had

(13:20):
to college football previews, get to NBA previews. Here's what
my NBA finals are going to be. Doesn't matter that
I've been wrong for the last twenty two years. You
should still care what I have to say. I just
think there should be more skin in the game because
I think it would be more interesting and more entertaining,
and there'd be a different level of integrity if what
you said actually mattered one week after you said it.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's interesting and there's a lot more to say about this.
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All Right with Jason Martin, Mark Willard, Liventhetireck dot com studios.
Well the queue that Dion Sanders back up again, because
there's something else that I would love to point out,
you know, as U and the media sort of getting
all the feathers ruffled about about Dion saying do you

(15:51):
believe now? I can't tell you how many. And by
the way, Jason, I mean people that I really respect.
I get it. If you've been a journalist and a
writer for a really, really long time. I think this
is true about anything in life. You do something for
forty years, when you get closer to the end, you're like, well,
this isn't the same way it was when I started, Right,

(16:13):
That's I feel like, that's just that's just true. Radio
is not. You know, I've been doing it for about
twenty five years and it's not the same as when
I started. And so you adapt or die number one.
And also there is a measure of you accept what's real.

(16:35):
So I understand that that can be difficult in certain places.
But if you guys have the Dion queued up again,
let everybody because there's important distinction here when Dion gets
into a specific one on one with one writer and
watch and listen to how he handles it. Here again,

(16:56):
is coach prime after the win.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Was the ball?

Speaker 3 (16:58):
You believe that you hold on, hold on, hold on?
Oh no, do you believe in that?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Oh no, no, no, I read through that bull joke.
He wrote that, I read through that, I sipped it
through all that. Oh no, come on, do you believe?
You don't believe? You just answered it. You don't believe?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Next question, Okay, listen to what he does there at
the end. It's immediately it's not our job to believe. Well,
he doesn't care if you do. He singled one person
out and his answer was believe what and Dion goes,
you don't believe? And that's fine. It's not like he

(17:42):
attacked him. It's not like he called him out and
undressed him in front of everybody. He just said, do
you believe? Okay, you don't. On we go. I just
I'm having a hard time, Jason finding out what's wrong
with this?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Nothing, nothing at all. I mean, it's just it's two adults.
One said something, the other one basically based on the
actions that happened yesterday on the field. Mark shut the
mouth of what had been written, at least in the
short term. And this is the guy that's gonna talk.
And so he gets in front of a microphone and
he immediately calls the guy out. And as adults this,

(18:19):
I mean, look, this happens in locker rooms. This happens
in fraternity houses, This happens everywhere you're around your guy
friends or whatever. You know, it's just these these are
the kinds of things that go on. And if you're
gonna write stuff critical, and this is the deal, Like,
whoever this person that he singled out is wrote something
very critical about a program that hadn't played a game

(18:41):
under this coach yet. And so that's immediately going to
be a target, target, practice moment for Dion Sanders, especially
not because he's going to hold a grudge or anything
like that, but because he's going to use it as
fuel and a lot of times, and I think you
know this too, Marker, you would see it happen a lot.
Dion's talking to his own team too. He's saying, look,

(19:03):
they don't believe in you, but we believe in ourselves.
It's not that journalist's job to believe in Colorado. It's
his job to cover the team and say what he thinks.
And it's Dion's job to coach the team be successful
or be as successful as he can be. And after that,
he's supposed to go to war for his guys. He's

(19:25):
supposed to go to bat for his guys. And that's
what he's doing. The only thing that's wrong with this
scenario is that anybody is upset with it, Like, there's
no reason to be upset or miffed or have your
feathers ruffled. This is what you were gonna get with
Dion Sanders. Some people love it, some people think it's
blustery and over the top and all of this, but

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it doesn't really matter at the end of the day.
And if the journalist has his feelings, then he's in
the wrong industry because his job, basically a lot of
the time, because he opines for a living, is to
do that to everybody he covers, nitpick them to explain
why they're not going to be good, to say this
guy should lose his job, or this guy is on
the hot seat, or all of these things. That's what

(20:08):
he does. So when he's wrong or when something proves
out that can poke a hole in that, he needs
to be able to sit there and take that. That to me,
is the only issue is if anybody is upset with that,
that is in our industry, they're just wrong.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Well, Jason, let me ask you this. Here's the other
thing that I struggle with sometimes. Do you consider yourself
a journalist.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
No, absolutely not. I am not a shoe leather journalist.
It's going there interviewing the backup tight end about the depth.
I know people to do that, and they're really really
good at their jobs. That's not what we do. Mark.
We sit here and we talk and we do the
same thing that most of the people listening to us

(20:52):
right now do, except we happen to have a microphone
in front of our faces. Really, that's really about it.
We have a platform to do it instead of being
in a barbershop, for being on a barstool, or being
you know, on somebody's patio talking about these things. And
I think sometimes we have an inflated sense of our
own jobs, our own egos, and all of those kinds

(21:12):
of things play into it. It's huge, and the same
thing is true in the athlete world, the coaching world
and all that. But no, absolutely not. If I break
a story, okay, yeah, then I would say in that
moment I was behaving as a journalist. I do have
a broadcast journalism degree, but I do not utilize journalism.
I utilize broadcasting and communications far more in this industry,

(21:35):
as do you, and as do.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Most that we know, Yeah, you described the way I
look at to a t that was absolutely perfect. I
also have a broadcast journalism degree. I have written, I
have written for outlets. There are times where I guess
the line is blurred. I've never been somebody who is
on a beat, travels with a team, has one of

(21:58):
those little wiry note and a little pen behind my
ear and a hat. I've done that before, and contention
would be there are very few of those people left.
There are very few who do it that way, and
so maybe we got to adjust the way we define

(22:18):
journalist or journalism. My point is, once you become as
you just described us, Jason, once you just become people
who are here to whether you want to call it
entertain inform, interact, whatever word makes you comfortable on that
Once once you become that, well then you're spitting out

(22:42):
thoughts and the people you're spitting thoughts about are allowed
to have thoughts back. That's the way I look at it.
That's the way I look at it. Jeff Pearlman, who's
one of the great sports writers of all time and
certainly of this generation, he has been writing about this
a lot on Twitter, and just about a half hour

(23:02):
ago he wrote this. He said, I'm going to end
a discussion like this. Journalism is a great job, but
it comes with some rules, and one in sports is
you don't root for the teams you cover. And there's
a good reason for it. Rooting me favor a team,
and inevitably it leads to very fair questions basically about

(23:26):
your work. So if that is the definition of journalism,
see you later. Journalism because I like bye, because I
have a daily show in San Francisco. I have a
Giant's hat on right now. I have Warriors paraphernalia everywhere
forty nine year from the ceiling to the floor in

(23:48):
this house. And I am a fan. And I don't
know how I would speak to fans of these teams
if I didn't understand them, but I do because I'm
one of them.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, I mean that's perfectly said. I turn around in
my chair and I see multiple Tomahawks, and I see
a Braves helmet, and I see a pennant. You know,
I mean, I'm unapologetic about it. Mark. We wouldn't do
this if we weren't fans of something first. It's not
like we walked in here clean slate and then found

(24:19):
out what sports were and then got sat down in
front of a microphone and did it. We came here
with rooting interest. Now it's true over time they can mute.
If you go out of a market and you start
covering a team or you're covering a conference, sometimes those
interests diverge a little bit here and there. I can
understand it from that perspective, But it's not like I
came into sports talk radio and all of a sudden

(24:40):
forgot that I grew up scoring Atlanta Brads games with
my dad when he was umpiring. Like all of these
things are part and parcel of what brought me here
in the first place. And I like that. I like that.
I don't want to be objective. There are people that
can do that. I can be objective about a lot
of stuff, and when it comes to sports, I'm incredibly
passionate and hopefully that comes through based on the work

(25:03):
that I do. But when you come to listen to me,
you know you're going to get my opinion, which is
just another in a sea of opinions, including the listeners themselves,
And you can take those and you can weigh those
wherever you want. And if I turn out to be
wrong about an athlete, especially one that knows me. I

(25:24):
actually would hope that that person would say, yeah, good
call on saying that I was going to blow it here.
It's like, right, absolutely, you know what got that one wrong.
My job was to state an opinion. Yours is to
play a game. My opinion about the game that you
were gonna play turned out to be wrong. So for
you to come back at me, absolutely right. I'll take
the l on this one. Let's move on.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yep, exactly, exactly. By the way, I didn't know you're
a Braves fan. I just want to let you know
you don't need to root this year. They don't even
need your help. God, they're goodee, good lord. You know,
just got an up close look at them twice in
the last two weeks, and that lineup is absolutely unending.

(26:05):
Just in what a team, Holy smokes, just incredible. And
speaking of incredible, here comes Steve Desinger. How about that.
Let's get our guy in here. Wow, find out what's
trending out and about, especially with that big college football
game that, as Jason mentioned, is going on right now.

Speaker 7 (26:24):
Hello Steve, Hello, gentlemen, it's Jason's on Saturday nights. I
told him last night on the air that I feel
like every Saturday night we have a new even more
amazing Braves and or Akunya stat to pass along because
it's been that kind of dream season.

Speaker 8 (26:40):
It's just silly how good they are.

Speaker 7 (26:41):
Quite frankly, We'll get to baseball in a moment, but
LSU is playing Florida State in Orlando tonight, a top
ten college football opener for them. It's early second quarter
and it's seven to seven. Florida State quarterback Jordan Travis
with a forty yard touchdown pass on a catch and run. Earlier,
eighteenth ranked Oregon State was a winner forty two to
seventeen at San Jose State as the transfer quarterback from Clemson,

(27:04):
dj Uyunglila had five total touchdowns for his new Oregon
State team, and at Rutgers, the defense with five sacks.
Home team beat Northwestern twenty four to seven. At the
US Open in New York tonight, Number one Egas Fiantek
will be in action later. Coco Golf won this afternoon
in a fourth round match in three sets against Caroline Wosneyaki.

(27:25):
At Basketball's World Cup this morning, the US ended the
second round with a loss to Lithuania one ten to
one oh four, but each team advances to the quarterfinals.
Each team was four to oh coming in US Tuesday
versus Italy. As for MLB, tonight's Houston a one nothing
leader over the New York Yankees in the top of
the sixth inning, and until literally just this moment, as

(27:47):
it was only one hit for the Yankees and they
were getting shut out, They've just hit an RBI double.

Speaker 8 (27:51):
So there you go.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
It's one to one Yankees at Houston in the top
of the sixth inning, and it's looking like Jordan Alvaiz,
who's had in problems, just went down on the warning
track in left field and he's got a teammate attending
to him at the moment. Dodgers beat Atlanta to salvage
at least one game out of the four game series
three to one. LA other dudes from the Dodgers that

(28:13):
pitcher Walker Bueller's been out all year pitched two scoreless
innings at Triple A. That's actually his first outing in
fifteen months after Tommy John surgery. San Diego shut out
San Francisco four. Now thing here we've started the month
of September and the Giants are in a three way
tie for the last NL wildcard spot, tied with Arizona
and Miami. Miami won its four straight games six '

(28:33):
four at Washington Baltimore, one at Arizona eight five. The
Orioles first in the AL E still two and a
half games over Tampa Bay. Toronto picked up a seven
to five win at Colorado Blue Jays, one and a
half games out of the final AL wild card spot.
Updating at Houston, left fielder Jordan Alvarez slipped on the

(28:54):
warning trac dirt and went down in a heap. He's
being looked at by a trainer. Now one one game
in the six Astro and Yankees back to you.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
This is how much I respect you, Steve. There was
a conversation last hour between Monty Belanos and Dan Bayer
about dj Uyungala lay with regard to the pronunciation of
the last name. I know America has been working on
this now for about three years, right, and I and
I feel like we're getting close. But I was listening

(29:23):
to them talk and I'm like, boy, like even I
And he's now out in the PAC twelve, which means,
you know, is the PAC twelve network season starts? I
tend to be tight on this, right, I gotta be
tight on this. And even I was like, I don't
know which one of you are right, because it's no
longer about the pronunciation, it's where you want to put

(29:44):
the emphosis, right, is it ui ung la lay or
is it ungallele?

Speaker 7 (29:50):
And the silent and like like Tuo's name's not actually.

Speaker 8 (29:55):
An end in the name, but it's pronounced.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
But it's in there. And so I could either go
to YouTube or I could just listen to Steve de Seger.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
No no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
No, like you said it, and I'm like, I'm pretty
sure that's right. It's not it's Uila lay.

Speaker 7 (30:13):
Yes, And I believe that, right? Can I say to
all sports information directors at all schools? One thing that
helps out immensely is when you have the player on
camera say his own name. It'll take five seconds, put
it up online and we'll see it forever. You will
be helping thousands.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Gosh, why why don't they do that?

Speaker 1 (30:39):
And sometimes that thing doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Right, Well, that thing's just got like symbols and letters,
and when it comes to a last name like this,
I'm like, my god, I'm out of vowels. There's I
don't know, like what, I don't know what to do
with this just because his letters on a paper, Steve,
that is the simplest idea I've ever heard that has
not enacted yet. Why not?

Speaker 7 (31:01):
Yeah, because it's under the umbrella of the NCAA and
nobody's in charge. Let's just that's a huge You talked
about this in the first segment. Did you not about
how the conference goes here and player teams go there? Well,
there you go. This is yet another It's a small one,
but it's yet another consequence.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
O wei Ungalle and those Pac twelve quarterbacks, not a
one of them have lost a game yet, the conference undefeated.
I think I read a stat longest winning streak to
start a season by a Power five conference since nineteen eighty.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
But obviously it's hard to be like yay Packed twelve
because it also happened, you know, two days after Stanford
and col are now rivals with NC State or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
That's insane. Look, I went to n C State for
two years. I grew up in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Did you.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I ended up graduating from Western Kentucky several years back,
But I i grew up in ACC before Florida State
was any ACC. Florida State joined and it felt like
a big deal and it felt like it made sense.
And then we saw the explosion. We saw some things
that didn't make nearly as much sense, including Maryland leaving
the conference, which I still don't get, and now col

(32:25):
and Stanford in the Atlantic Coast Conference, Like that's literally wrong,
Like the name of the conference itself would indicate that
those two schools wouldn't belong. Obviously that doesn't matter now
as it relates to college football. But I don't get
any of this, Like it's very difficult, Like watching all

(32:49):
of yesterday, just Okay, where are they going to be
next year? What's the conference makeup gonna look?

Speaker 8 (32:54):
Like?

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Do we even care at this point? Like is it
just basically a pro sport? And even the visions don't exist,
Like it's just I understand there's the SEC in the
Big Ten and then there's everything else, but it's almost
I just all right, I know what LSU is. I
like LSU in terms of a brand, so I'll watch LSU.
I don't know about Washington State anymore because they're not

(33:16):
in the PAC twelve, which means they're probably not relevant,
so I don't really need to watch the Kougs anymore.
Stuff like that. The unique nature, the novelty of college
football has been completely and utterly decimated, and we hadn't
even gotten to the point where it's actually happened yet.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, a great point. I mean, you remember when the
Atlanta Falcons and the New Orleans Saints were in the
NFC West you yea, yeah, yeah, So this feels like that.
It feels like we're circling back. And there's much more
to say on this, some of the points that you
just brought up, so we'll continue with that. We are
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some of you will recognize this. This band, of course

(34:15):
is smash Mouth. Hey now you're an All Star and
uh and this song and many more son yep want
to give a little shout out to Steve Harwell, that
is the lead singer of smash Mouth, and it's been
announced that amid liver failure, he has entered hospice care

(34:37):
and unfortunately only has days to live. They are huge,
huge sports fans. Obviously a lot of their music has
overlapped with sports. I also get a lot of smash
Mouth news because they are huge Bay Area sports fans,
and uh, they are not shy about their opinions. And famously,

(35:01):
smash Mouth's opinions came up in the San Francisco Giants
free agent pitch meeting with Bryce Harper when the band
really really wanted him to come, and it was kind
of a throwaway line by the Giants executive staff, but
they mentioned I don't know if you've seen smash Mouth's opinion,

(35:24):
but they made it into that meeting, and obviously it
didn't work. Bryce's a Philly, But they're huge sports fans,
and so we salute and send our thoughts to the
band and the family of Steve Harwell, the lead singer.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, I mean, I hear this song and you think
about All Star, you think about I'm a Believer from Shrek.
They had a moment in the mid nineties, which is
right when I was in high school. So when I
hear this, it just takes me right back to North
for scythe in Wins to Salem and listening to you know,
listening to these tracks once an hour on ninety four

(36:01):
to five, the rock Alternative, which I don't even think
exists anymore down there. He retired from the band back
in October twenty one due to health issues. But I
didn't know this story at all until it was mentioned
to us during a break that this had happened today.
So that's just very very sad news.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Only fifty six years old man, right, Yeah, in incredibly
incredibly sad news. So we'll send out, we send out
our best to smash mouth their fans, their family, all
of that. I know you're keeping an eye on LSU
and Florida State seven to seven right now, second quarter action,

(36:40):
Florida State with the ball. We will keep you updated
on Matt for sure. Steve de Seger will do an
awesome job on met. But we were talking a lot
about in that last block about college football and just
where it sits, and maybe this is a West Coast opinion.
I'm fully aware of that, and I live in a
city that is very, very pro sports focused, very pro

(37:04):
sports focused. There is not a lot of breaking down
of Cal and Stanford and SC and UCLA and any
of that. But that said, I've always followed it, I've
always loved it, and I haven't figured out emotionally what
to do with this season. I can appreciate what happened

(37:27):
with Deon Sanders in Colorado yesterday. I can appreciate Michael
Pennock's juniors unbelievable had five touchdown and then sat out
pretty much the entire second half yesterday. They're really there
are some great stories here. But I guess the question
I'm asking Jason, is everything that has happened with this realignment,

(37:49):
the stripping of rivalries and all of the traditions, is
that in some ways sort of taking away from this
college football season. For me? The answer is.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yes, I can understand that. I think because of where
I live, I think that could be a regional opinion.
I still think the SEC because it's still going to exist.
SEC fans still big timecare. Big Ten fans. I think
still big timecare the conferences that are going away or
losing half their conferences somewhere else, I think maybe feel differently,

(38:21):
but at the same time, we look like, I mean,
we're watching a relic, and we know we are. We're
watching the end of what college football was before really
getting to see what the beginning of college football. The
next version, the next iteration of college football looks like
we kind of got an inkling of it with NIL
and the transfer portal when some of that over the

(38:42):
last few years, But it's about to change from what
we grew up watching, what we were trained to watch,
and of course what we've gotten to watch as adults
as well. There's a generation that's never going to know
what these regional rivalries were and what was unique about
college football, and this season does kind of have a
ring of I don't know that this is going to

(39:04):
be relevant in ten years. I have no idea because
of what's going to change, especially when you look at
teams that you know are going to be elsewhere next
year and how is that going to fit in, and
then schools that are basically going to die in certain
ways because of some of this realignment and everything else,
and that is very it's just kind of odd, Like
watching college football this year is kind of odd because

(39:26):
we know how big the changes that are coming, Mark
are going to be and because they're not here yet,
it's like we're watching this thing that is sort of irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, a live Inthetirack dot Com Studios, Mark Weather, Jason Martin,
and it just I don't it feels so temporary to me,
do you know what I mean? It's like I'm on
vacation and We've reached a rest stop and I'm supposed
to be excited about the rest stop as opposed to

(39:59):
the destin nation. That's what this feels like to me,
because you can't tell me this is the way it's
gonna stay, right, Like Stanford's volleyball team is not doing
all of their road games in Florida and North Carolina
like this is. It's just it's not sustainable. So there's
a lot more to say about this entire picture, and
we will over the next couple hours get you ready

(40:22):
for the NFL season as well, and coming up next,
the two big holdouts that still don't have an answer.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
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Speaker 2 (40:39):
Oh, let's roll, got a lot to do, not a
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two major defensive line holdouts in the NFL. We'll get
to it in a second, but I need to get
something off of my chest, if you will, Jason, So

(41:21):
to check out the video of Alante Brown of Michigan State.
Have you seen this play from yesterday?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah? I actually just pulled it back up and watched
it again and watched them get load on the court.
As you're speaking, Actually I see him loading on the court.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
So Alante Brown. For those of you not familiar with
the story, special teams play and there are two players
who come helmet to helmet, and I can't say that
it looks all that vicious in terms of a hit,
in terms of what we're used to in football. In fact,
you could argue that Brown was the one who lowered

(42:02):
his helmet into the other player. But the moment contact
is made, it becomes very too a esque, if not more,
one of those obvious situations when a body locks up.
It's comfortable to watch. The whole body locks up, the
arms lock, and the player falls to the ground. Now

(42:23):
he does not lose consciousness, but it is very obvious
that this is an incredibly dangerous concussion that has taken place,
a visible sign, and he has put on the cart
where his legs are bouncing a little bit. Then he
has removed from the game on the cart. Why do
we bring this up because it's unpleasant to talk about. Well,

(42:47):
he returned to the game, Jason, I'm not kidding. I'm
not saying this for effect. I think Michigan State should
be rendered Bowl ineligible immediately. I don't know what it's
going to take for the whole sport of football to
just have an ounce of a heart. I'm not here

(43:11):
to tell you that Tyreek Hill and Joe Mixon can
never play football again. It's going to be It's difficult. Okay,
not everybody who plays football is going to be a
perfect person. I understand that football is driven by money,
just like many businesses are. I can wrap my head
around a lot of things, not this. I just don't

(43:34):
get it. We've got blue tents on the field, supposedly,
we've got all kinds of different factors in place to
protect these people from this exact and we've already now
reached a point where we're well aware of where this goes,
why it's so awful, and we have education that we

(43:55):
never had before, so you can't hide behind anything anymore
when it comes to this subject. For a play like
that to lead to a player coming back out into
the field, no matter what the player thinks, no matter
what the coach thinks, no matter what anybody thinks. To me,

(44:16):
is one of the most egregious things I think that
could happen on a football field. There are a lot
of questions about how it happened with Tua last year.
I hated that. Then this one's ten times more obvious
than that, Like, where is the oversight? Who is protecting
these kids?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah? I mean, I think the thing that's most striking
mark about this video is that he spikes his head
into the ground and doesn't try to defend himself because
he's in what's called defencing position, which we learned about.
If we didn't already know it, I didn't know it
until the Tua incident, as it was described and talked
about by multiple medical professionals. After that, I then got

(44:59):
kind of famili you're with that name, but that's exactly
the same thing that happened here with a Lante Brown
and he gets carded off. And I heard melt Tucker
after the game saying, you know, I'd defend the medical
decisions made one hundred percent all this other kind of thing.
I saw Chris Nowinski the Concussion Legacy Foundation say there

(45:19):
need to be independent doctors on the sidelines. Absolutely agree
with that. There definitely do need to be people making
these decisions that have no skin in the game for
either one of the two teams, that are making these
choices independently of the game being played and are strictly there.
From a medical sensible perspective, this is insane to put

(45:40):
him back in. I mean, even if he was cleared,
which I have my doubts, let's just say that, but
there's just no reason to do this, to risk this
in any way. Oh but he was fine. He was
in good spirits. Yeah, how many football players you ever
met there? Like, man, no way I can play like that.
That's not a thing. It's still not thing for most

(46:01):
people in sports. There's more now that we'll do it,
but still not a lot. This was not one of
those kind of murky Well, maybe he was concussed. Maybe
it wasn't as bad as it looked now. This was
as bad as it looked now. He leaned in. It
was not like you said, you're dead right. It was
not a vicious hit. It was not anything dirty. It
was just an unfortunate consequence of a physical game. But

(46:23):
that unfortunate consequence should have resulted in an unfortunate absence
for at least the remainder of the game for the
gentleman who was carded off And as you saw him
hit the ground motionless with his arms in that position,
that should have been the end. Like, I don't need
a doctor to then tell me he's cleared to get

(46:44):
him back in the game. When I see that, Okay,
his evening's over. There's eventually something has to be bigger
than sport.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I don't even know officially what the NCAA rule is
I'd be shocked if it hasn't mirrred the NFL. But
here's what's wild to me. The way the rule is
written that is automatically illegal. There's no discussion. I wonder
if some of you are listening right now, going, well,
when we went to the back and the doctor's cleared him,

(47:14):
doesn't matter if there are this is the rule. If
there are visual signs of a concussion, the day is over.
Obvious visual evidence of a concussion. The day is over. Period, period.
It does not matter what a doctor says after that.
And if you don't think this is visual evidence of

(47:35):
a concussion, I don't have anything for you. I don't
know what to say. As you just said the fencing
position which leads to another blow to the head as
he goes to the ground and lands helmet to the ground,
like this is one of those that I truly I

(47:56):
don't get it. I don't even understand how something like
this can happen. You know, we see things in football
that really really drive us nuts right where you're like
when the driver of the dollar takes something to a
ridiculous angle. I think, in fact, we already touched on it.

(48:16):
Stanford and col are in the acc right, Well, that's
not even their fault. They needed to land somewhere. But
this is a trickle down effect of the almighty football
dollar driving something to the realm of ridiculous. As I
mentioned the volleyball players who went to Stanford and col

(48:38):
probably because they grew up somewhere on the West coast
and their parents are thinking, well, this will be great
because we could travel and watch you play in your games.
Well not anymore, never again. Like so that's where money
drives us to the realm of ridiculous. This is where
money is driving you to the realm of I don't

(48:59):
know what feels. It feels illegal. It feels illegal to me.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah, I mean it just there's got to be some
kind of a standard where and I saw look after
the game, he said, I'm fine, I'm gonna be good.
He said that on social media. I'll see y'all next week.
I don't really care what Alante Brown says. Like I
don't care how Alante Brown says he feels. I mean,
I care about how he feels. He's not qualified to

(49:23):
tell me if he's all right. Like last time checked,
he's in college. He didn't have a medical degree. My
wife happens to be a doctor. I trust her to
tell me whether or not my daughter is sick or
any of her patients are sick. She's got a degree
that proves it. And I know sometimes degrees don't necessarily
make you an expert, but I guarantee you there are
many times that I have been sick and not actually

(49:45):
admitted to it, or not even known it in the moment.
Here's a guy who, let's say he was concussed Mark,
and I think we both think that he was in
that case. And I don't know the severity of the concussion,
and you know, I don't know what preceded in his
life in terms of how many other incidents he's had,
you know, the condition of his brain and all those things.

(50:05):
I do know that concussion affects your cognition to a
degree that you might not even know whether what you're
answering is right or wrong in the first place. He's
the last guy's opinion that you would trust in that moment.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Well, and we also know, and again the education is there.
Now we know darn well that a concussion, I mean,
that's almost like coming in contact with someone who tests
positive for COVID and then five minutes later you take
a test and you're like, I'm good. Well, no, forty
eight hours later you might get it like a concussion.

(50:40):
We know, we know sometimes the symptoms are delayed. We've
had too many stories of people who wake up three
days later vomiting, like we know this stuff. And that's
why I just can't understand. If you're giving me dick
but kiss in the seventies, then I understand what the
culture was then, not now, how is this the game?

(51:04):
How many people? How many grown adults checked the box
before this kid ended up back in the game. And
so if it's you know again, the first thing that
hopped in my mind is bowl eligibility. You don't want
to talk about that because it penalizes the rest of
the team. Fine, then fire someone whoever is in charge

(51:27):
of getting that kid back out in the field. You
don't get to do that anymore because you failed.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I mean, you make you make a good argument. I mean,
it is tough to try and figure out what you
do in a scenario like that, But there's got to
be some kind of penalty. There has to be some
kind of retribution. There's got to be some kind of
punishment for putting a young man's life and certainly his

(51:54):
brain in a circumstance like that for the sake of
an opening weekend football game against Central Michigan. Like yes,
I mean that's the other thing, right, And I know
that this part doesn't even matter. This wasn't Michigan, it
wasn't Penn State, it wasn't even that big of a game.
It was your first game on a Friday night against
Central Michigan, and you still found a way to get

(52:18):
this guy back in the game after we saw him
basically lose the function of his body after a violent
physical confrontation on a football field. Like that's all you
really need to say for Central, Like what would have happened?
What would it have taken to not put him back
in the game against Ohio State? Would he have had

(52:38):
to have actually been beheaded? Or would they they have
still tried to put him out there, just torso and
legs to see if he could still stop somebody.

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Slash Match frustrating situation for fans of the Chiefs. For
fans of the forty nine ers as well, their top
pass rushers are still sitting on the sideline. There's an
interesting little way to sort of differentiate the two though,
but I'll hold on that for a second to ask

(53:53):
you this, Jason. When a holdout reaches this point, you
clearly have great players who deserve their dime. Nobody's arguing that,
and you have in this case, two teams who are
squarely focused on the goal of winning a Super Bowl
this year, and they need their best pass rusher on

(54:15):
the field. Without knowing any of the details of who's
offering what and what's being turned down, do you automatically
sort of lean to one side over the other.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I think we have a tendency, and I don't mean
we just in media or anything else. I mean we generally,
as at least those that didn't play. I think we
often try to blame the player, and I think there's
maybe inside of us all there there's an inherent envy
of the money and the power that they already have,

(54:49):
and we can't really understand or wrap our brains mark
around that concept of they live in a different world
than we do, they live in a different universe than
we do. What they do for a living just can't
be compared to anything that just about anybody else does,
and so it's hard for us to form a frame
of reference. So we're usually like these greedy athletes. I

(55:09):
feel like that's kind of the general consensus. And as
I've become more aware of it, working around athletes and
hearing it from their perspective and kind of seeing it differently,
I try to look at it more from a case
by case basis because I don't think that I don't
think it's helpful to automatically blame the owners every time

(55:30):
or automatically blame the players each time. And usually there's
probably some blame to go around in most of these
scenarios where it's not one hundred percent this side zero
percent the other side. But I think that oftentimes that's
a limiting perspective to try and find fault in one
side all the time because it's usually that way, because

(55:53):
I just tend to think that's not the case.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah, I agree with you there, but it's interesting you
went the other way that that I thought you were
going to go, because I figure and sure, there's a
lot of different ways you could answer that in terms
of who I'm talking about, but fans of a given
team when it comes to someone like let's say Nick Bosa,
the reigning defensive Player of the year. I was at

(56:17):
an event less than a week ago where we were
out amongst our listeners and a bunch of people are
there in Nick Bosa jerseys. I did not see anyone
in San Francisco forty nine ers executive jerseys. I didn't
see that that wasn't there, And so I often see
a fan base side with the player because it's their player,

(56:39):
that's their guy, and so you start to hear things like, gosh,
whatever it is, just pay him, just do it, which
obviously is not the way business works, and it's not
a smart thing to do. It does mean that other
players will be sacrificed if you do business like that

(57:01):
when you've got a good player, especially these rosters we're
talking about in this example. Man, they all got a
lot of good players, lots of good players on these teams,
and so there are other people to pay. And and
you know, if it means that, oh, yeah, you signed
up your favorite player, but you lost your other favorite player,
maybe maybe that's not necessarily great business. But two situations

(57:22):
are fascinating. You look at a little bit of a
dichotomy here. Travis Kelsey comes out and says, hey, Chris,
we need you here. Now, that's a player sort of
siding with ownership. Like I'm always sort of mindful of
what we the public here. The nine or Bosa thing,

(57:45):
unlike say Jonathan Taylor and the Colts has stayed totally quiet.
You don't hear anybody trying to put like like push
pressure points to negotiate in the media. You're just starting
to hear the first bits and p of it now.
When Albert Breer last week has said, well, they're about
four million dollars apart, and they've been that way for

(58:08):
a while, and he's definitely going to be the top
paid pass rusher of all time. Question is is he
going to be the top paid non quarterback of all time?
That gave us all a little bit of a definition
of what the numbers are. Maybe the Niners are around
twenty nine, Nicks about thirty three. But you would never
hear in this situation you're coming off dpoy. You would

(58:31):
never hear a forty nine er player come out and
be like, come on, Nick, we got a game next week.
You need to be here. So I do feel like
there's something about these two situations where maybe the Chiefs
locker room is putting a little bit of pressure on Chris.
Meantime in San Francisco, the fan base is putting a

(58:53):
little bit more pressure on the team.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
So I think they're different situations. I think you laid
that out well. I actually saw Kelsey's comment differently in
some ways because I'm trying to understand exactly what Chris
jones mindset is at this point, and it seems like
he's willing to sit out until week eate. I've seen
that in a bunch of different reports and things like that.

(59:17):
So we know how good Chris Jones is, Like, we
don't have to spend any time discussing how important he is.
Travis kelce knows how important he is. And look, Travis
Kelsey's words carry a lot of clout because he's a
walking Hall of Famer, Like he's gonna waltz into the
Hall of Fame as one of, if not the greatest
tight end we've ever seen. When he finally hangs it up.
So I look at this and I say, both these

(59:40):
two guys know that the statement that Travis Kelcey made
is true. They do need Chris Jones. I would argue, Look,
Nick Posa is worth every penny you want to pay him,
and he is phenomenal that forty nine ers defense has
some other dudes. The difference in Kansas City is and
I think Jones knows this. He knows how bad the

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Chiefs need him because he understands how thin they are
defensively outside of him, and how important he is. It's
like Aaron Donald knows how important he is to the
Rams defense. Chris Jones understands the holes that he helps
cover up with his outstanding play, and I think maybe
that's part of it. At least that's my theory. Is

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he's banking on the fact that the Chiefs know, or
they're going to realize real fast how bad they need him,
at which point he has leverage. And so it's possible
to me that Kelsey is in effect mobbing for Chris
Jones against the team by admitting what we all know,
which is that Chiefs defense desperately does need Chris Jones,

(01:00:44):
and the Chiefs need to fix it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Okay, interesting because now I've gotten the full paragraph in
front of me, let me read it to our audience.
So and again you can't hear the tone it was
on the New Heights podcast with Travis Kelsey and his
brother and Travis Kelcey. But I'll read the whole thing
to you before I do that, though, let me log
disagreement that the forty nine Ers defense will still be

(01:01:09):
a well oiled machine without Nick Bosa. I don't believe
that it would be. I think that a lot of
those players are really, really good because of Nick Bosa.
I think that the other pass rushers are good because
they're not getting as much attention. I think the linebackers
are really good because of how quickly the pass rush goes.

(01:01:31):
Four years ago, the year before the forty nine Ers
made the Super Bowl, they had two interceptions as a team,
two the whole year. Can you believe that? Then they
drafted Nick Bosa, and I can't remember the number, but
I think it went to twenty three with the exact

(01:01:52):
same group of defensive backs. That's the kind of effect
that Nick Bosa has on on this defense. But check
this out. You tell me what you hear. Here's the quote,
written and read by Travis Kelcey. Chris, can you please
come back? You're really scaring me, man, I don't get it.

(01:02:14):
You must know something that I don't know, because I
just don't get it. I really want to get another
Super Bowl ring with you, brother. This is me bargaining
you to just come back and play football for the Chiefs. Please.
We need you. We need you bad. And I don't
know what the situation is like that when he says

(01:02:38):
I don't get it, that's what rings in my ear, Jason,
because you know how players are. They're not trying to
mess with anyone else's money. Like you very rarely hear
you're scaring me. You must know something I don't know.
I don't get it. You don't get it. He wants
more money, right, what is there to get here? And

(01:03:00):
you rarely hear a player go there? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Yeah? Well, I mean again, his sentiment is right, we
understand how important Chris Jones is to the team. I
definitely think hearing it all in context, that definitely sounds
more on your side of that part of the argument.
I think maybe I'm looking at it more from Chris Jones'
perspective as to what he is trying to accomplish here,
or what he knows about himself and his actual value

(01:03:28):
in this deal where he creates leverage that that defense
is real bad out of the gates and they really
struggle to get pressure on quarterbacks or push O lines backwards,
and that gives him, you know, because eventually they're going
to come call and say, all right, yet, you're right,
we do need you, so how do we fix this?
In terms of Kelsey? Kelsey knows they need him, and

(01:03:49):
maybe he is a little bit worried about it because
he sees in practice that that defense is absolutely flawed
in so many more respects. Without Christians, I would say
what you're saying. Of course, you're a you know, an
expert when it comes to the forty nine Ers. I
think what you said about Dick Bosa is one thousand
percent right and makes all the sense in the world

(01:04:11):
as you laid it out. I do think that there's
more talent on the forty nine Ers defense outside of
Nick Bosa than there is on the Chiefs defense outside
of Chris Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I'll agree with that, sure, sure, sure, sure that with that,
I will agree no doubt. All right, one of these teams,
when we talk about the Chiefs and Niners, is playing
a team this year where you buy the hype, and
one of them is playing against the team where you don't.
Let's get into that and more on the NFL coming

(01:04:42):
up in a sect. But right now it's Steve Desager time.
Let's get an update on the big college game and
everything else for that matter.

Speaker 8 (01:04:49):
Hello Steve, Hello once again.

Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
College football with a top ten matchup in Orlando tonight
and LSU leads at the half the Tigers with a
thirty six yard field goal on the final play of
the first half to take a seventeen to fourteen advantage
over Florida State. Seminoles on the ground eleven carries thirty
nine yards rushing, LSU over one hundred yards rushing in
the first half. Florida State quarterback Jordan Travis two touchdowns,

(01:05:13):
one interception. Today, eighteenth ranked Oregon State one at San
Jose State forty two to seventeen. Quarterback dj uyang La
lay five total touchdowns. The transfer from Clemson and Oregon
State's star running back from a year ago, Damian Martinez
eighteen carries one hundred and forty five yards Rutgers twenty
four to seven over Northwestern. Northwestern scored a touchdown in

(01:05:34):
the final seconds after using all three timeouts late to.

Speaker 8 (01:05:38):
Avoid the shutout. A reminder.

Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
This Saturday on Fox TV four games starting with Colorado
hosting Nebraska at the US Open. Cocoa Golf won her
fourth round match to Major League Baseball. It's bottom of
the eighth. In Houston, the Yankees are leading the Astros
three to one thanks to a two run homer in
the six from rookie Jason Dominguez. By the way, left
fielder for the Stros, jord Don Alvarez, as his stayed

(01:06:00):
in the game despite the slip and fall on the
warning track. Tonight, Dodgers beat Atlanta three to one, another
win for rookie Bobby Miller. He's nine to three San
Diego four to nothing over San Francisco. The Giants are
in a three way tie for the last NL wildcard
spot with Arizona and Miami. Miami won its fourth straight
six to four at Washington, but Arizona was beaten at

(01:06:21):
home by Baltimore eight to five. The Orioles are first
in the AL East, still two and a half games
over Tampa Bay. Toronto won at Colorado seven to five.
The Blue Jays are a game and a half out
of the final AL wildcard spot. Wins for the Phillies
and Cubs. Mets beat Seattle six to three. The Mariners
are first in the AL Wes for the moment, a
half game over Houston.

Speaker 8 (01:06:42):
Texas is won back.

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
Texas got a walk off homer to beat Minnesota six
to five. Tampa Bay and Boston with road victories and
guys at Basketball's World Cup this morning, the US ended
the second round with a loss to Lithuania one ten
to one oh four, but each team advances to the quarterfinals.
Each was four to oh coming into today Tuesday, USA
versus Italy. Today, Anthony Edwards had thirty five points, but

(01:07:05):
the Americans, and it was stunning to watch, were completely
outplayed in the first half plus of this game. From
three point range, Lithuania started nine for nine. They had
all the height. The Americans do have the defensive player
of the year in the NBA center Jaron Jackson, and
yet again he was in foul trouble for the game today.

(01:07:26):
Fifteen minutes, one rebound fouled out Lithuania now five and zero.
It was up twenty one in the first half. Lithuania
will play Serbia in a quarterfinal. Serbia eliminated the Dominican
Republic with these one twelve to seventy nine. Carl Anthony Towns,
who's been playing for the DR in the loss, had
twenty five points, seven turnovers and kudos to Canada. They'll

(01:07:48):
play Slovenia in the quarterfinals. Canada came back to eliminate
Spain today. Shay Gilgos Alexander thirty points, including four clutch
free throws late.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Back to you kudos to Canada. Maybe that'll be the
name of my fantasy team this year. Steve, you bring
this up, Mark Weather. Jason Martin like, is it arrogant,
too simplistic or totally accurate that when a team USA
does not prevail in basketball every time, I'm like, well, yeah,

(01:08:19):
we don't care nearly as much.

Speaker 7 (01:08:21):
Well, part of it is the roster. You're correct, Grant
Hill's the guy in charge of getting the USA rostered
together like Jerry Colangelo used to be. And he admitted
it's because it's not the Olympics and that's the be
all end all for hoops for this country. It's just
harder to get guys. They still have a quality roster
Anthony Edwards on down, and they should be better. It

(01:08:43):
wasn't just that they lost, it's that, my goodness, they're
not even in this game. They're getting killed. That was really,
shall we say, disturbing. It was, as a newsperson, notable,
how this get.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Four thirty seven at one point and Lithuania hit like
nine threes in a row. They were just so much
more physical.

Speaker 7 (01:09:03):
And had the height so great. You want to you
want to double some big man. Go ahead, put Austin
Reeves in the post defensive League Daria that was going.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
On, just get tackled. I think it may have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Sorry, my bad. That was yeah, that was uh, that
was you, That was U. I just ripped a wire
right out of my stuff for no good reason at all.
I was just trying to adjust my seat and I
just decided. I'm like, I'm yeah, I'm like I'm out,
see you later, everybody. No, I'm back. Everything's fine. Uh,

(01:09:42):
my bad, but uh yeah, I just played that one
like Team USA. That's all I did. Just wasn't wasn't
paying enough attention today.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
That's no, you're not. It's not. It's not. It's not
a urrogance say that. I do think it's absolutely true
that just the FOBA and the World Championship stuff just
does the needle for most of the top players.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Well and I mean I guess yeah. I mean Steve
called it disturbing and I was like, but but not really,
because I'm not disturbed at all. And that's the point. Like,
go back to Kobe's redeemed team and those stories of
the way he got that team emotionally just ready to

(01:10:24):
go and be different, and it was like, yeah, if
you bring that fire to the party, then of course
the Americans are going to win when it comes to basketball.
But also the rest of the world is catching up.
We know that too, and Solja right, we know it's
a global game and and so that's fair to bring up.
But I just I don't know is anybody making popcorn

(01:10:47):
for the FOEBA games.

Speaker 8 (01:10:48):
Well the morning here on the West Coast.

Speaker 7 (01:10:52):
Sure, Only I need to emphasize the only part reason
I would use that verb is because we had NBA
All Star and Playoff talent on the court and weren't
even making a nudge toward even being in the game.

Speaker 8 (01:11:06):
That was surprising.

Speaker 7 (01:11:08):
Journalistically, anybody independently would look at that and say, wow,
what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Oh oh, so you're a journalist. Well, Dion Sanders would like.

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
A word, because anybody in dependent.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Yeah, he would like to do you believe? Do you
believe Steve? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:11:25):
I did.

Speaker 7 (01:11:25):
That was whether they stopped him on the last drive
or not. I was impressed yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
It was how could you're not pretty good? It was
pretty good? No joke? No, I mean, well, how could
you just not be like, I don't know, entertained. Yes,
maybe somewhere that's part of our conversation about this, you know,
like the old Guarden journalism would like, if you're working
the game, you're not supposed to be entertained by it,

(01:11:53):
or or have you know, And I'm like, I don't
know how to do that. Like I just I don't
even know how to do that. I don't know how.
You couldn't get swept up into that story a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
No, you'd be the perfect person to back us up
on this, because the two of us were on last
night and talking about how not just bad Colorado was
last year, but like one of the worst teams we've
seen in years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:12:15):
They were always giving up forty or so and only
scoring about ten or so game after game after game,
night and day now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
It was unwatchable. It was like the quarterback would drop
back and you'd be like, you'd nudge your buddy, you'd
be like, watch this. I mean it was like you could.
It's just I know it's gonna be a dumpster fire.
I know it's going the other way. I know it's
going to totally not work. It was some of the
worst high level college football I've ever seen. And to

(01:12:43):
see something like that change in the matter of nine
months to this where you're scoring forty five, putting up
five to ten, you're entertaining, you've got star quality. You're
doing it against TCU, and I know they're not as
good this year, but still like it's a real team.

(01:13:05):
It's kind of it's it's unthinkable. It's unthinkable what he
did yesterday.

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
I'm in Colorado.

Speaker 7 (01:13:10):
Last year it was news when they were actually tied
with cal ten ten late in the game. I mean
that's and they finch Finchley won in overtime and that
was the one win.

Speaker 8 (01:13:19):
It's like that was the highlight of the season right there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
It's just bananas man. All right, Yeah, great stuff, Steve.
We're in the Tyraq dot com studios, Mark Weather, Jason
Martin and coming up next we'll get to it. We
were just talking Niners in Chiefs. One of them is
going against a believe the hype team. One of them
is going against it don't believe the hype team. Which
one is Jason talking about and which one is he not.

(01:13:46):
Let's get to that. Coming up next.

Speaker 9 (01:13:48):
Fox Sports Radio, Okay Live, Tyraq dot Com Studios, Mark Wheeler, Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Chiefs and Niners both looking at holdout pass rushers. Also
looking at big games this week. Chiefs got the Lions,
Niners got the Steelers. You believe in one and not
in the other?

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Talk to me, yeah, you know, the Steelers just kind
of interesting to me because that whole division is made
up of teams that could be good, but almost none
of them are gonna be that bad, even though I
think a lot of us wouldn't mind the Browns being terrible.
But Cincinnati, we know Cincinnati is gonna be good unless
their quarterback is hurt. We understand Baltimore, that's just gonna

(01:14:37):
be fascinating to watch without Greg Roman now and now
Lamar with the kind of the sort of the handcuffs
off to where it can really be his Now, we're
gonna see, you know what he's really capable of. Perhaps.
And then you've got Pittsburgh and they've become a darling
talking point about being a Super Bowl favor or just
something like a spoiler or something like that. And I

(01:15:01):
was talking to Aaron Torres about this last night, and Mark,
I just don't know that I fully buy that Kenny
Pickett is going to turn the Steelers into some kind
of massive contender. It's not that I think Kenny Pickett
is a bad quarterback. I just think the ceiling is
kind of low in the quarterback play that we're seeing now,

(01:15:22):
the depth of it and the versatility of it. I
just don't I don't look at Kenny Pickett and say, yeah,
that guy is the next insert this quarterback here. I
don't see it. So I don't really think even with
a healthier TJ. Watt and George Pickens with another year
under his belt, I think they should be good because
Tomlin just coaches well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
But yep, I just.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Think the AFC is two loaded and on the flip side,
the Lions, I do buy into it one because the
NFC is far weaker than the AFC. There's less depth,
especially in that division. I don't believe in Minnesota. I'm
skeptical about Green Bay. I'm gonna give Jordan Love his
opportunity to show me what he is before I say

(01:16:08):
he is this or he is that. And then Chicago,
I'm gonna need to see that before I believe anything
about the Chicago Bears. And I think the Lions did well.
I think they did well in the draft. The last
couple of years, they've done well in the draft Goff
is certainly not going to lose them a bunch of games.
He might not be the factor that wins them a
bunch of games. But I like the draft pick of

(01:16:30):
Gibbs because he fits what a running back should be.
Now they don't need to carry the ball forty times
a game. He's somebody that does something pretty well. He's
very very fast, he can catch the ball out of
the backfield. He's shifty. He gives you that advantage. And
I like Campbell and I like the way as long
as their defense can kind of come around this year,

(01:16:50):
and that's the one worrisome spot. I like what the
Lions could be and that sounds insane because it's the Lions.
But this Lions team has done well in terms of
stacking wide receivers, drafting fairly well, not making a bunch
of boneheaded decisions, or overpaying a bunch of guys. There
are some things that could go wrong that could cause
them to falter, no question about it. But I like

(01:17:14):
the hype around the Lions far more marked than I
do the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Well, in theory, I'm going to agree with you because
I am a believer in the Lions, and I think
people forget what they achieved last year because they didn't
end up in the playoffs. But this is a team
that was one in six and then the calendar switched
to November, and as soon as the calendar switched to November,

(01:17:40):
the rest of the way, they were an eight and
two football team. And one of their losses was basically
a buzzer beater on Thanksgiving against the Buffalo Bills, and
they lost by a field goal, which I think is
a pretty explainable loss. The inexplicable one was at Carolina
on Christmas Eve, lost by fourteen and it ended up

(01:18:01):
costing them a playoff spot. But that's the NFL. Bottom
line is. You don't have to believe the hype in
the Lions. They already showed it to you. They showed
it to you for two plus months. They were really
good and they can score a lot of points. And
so I have no doubt that the Lions are gonna
come back and be a good football team. Does it

(01:18:23):
win the division, well, we'll find out, But I think
they're gonna be a good football team. I'll tell you why.
I do believe in the Steelers, yet I sort of
agree with what you're saying it's not a hype thing.
It's not a hype train. I don't think Kenny Pickett
is suddenly like he's the fourth best quarterback in the division.
I don't think there's any doubt about it. But have

(01:18:45):
you looked at their schedule? I mean, argument, Yeah, they
play in a hard division and so they got to
deal with that, and they play the forty nine ers
this weekend and they got to deal with that. But
outside of that, I'm looking at up to Vegas and
a trip to Houston and a trip to play the Rams,
and the Cardinals come into town and they get to

(01:19:08):
play the Colts, and they also play Green Bay and
Tennessee and Jacksonville and New England. And I'm not saying
all of those teams are bad, but you see what's missing, right,
There's no Buffalo, there's no Kansas City, there's no Chargers,
there's no Miami, there's no Jets. That strength of the

(01:19:30):
AFC you're talking about is not on this schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Yeah, I mean, look, that's fair. I could say Niners Ravens,
those two Bengals games. The Titans are always going to
be a tough ballgame because of the way Varabel coaches.
Seahawks could be intriguing. We'll see whether or not they
come back down to earth this year. So, I mean,
there are some opportunities, but you're right, there are some
games that you should feel very comfortable with if you
were a Steelers fan. Winning Cardinals may be the worst

(01:19:58):
team in the league. And the Colts, who I have
down as a team that's about to have a disastrous season. Yeah,
you're right. I mean that's a fair point. Their schedule
could be enough.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Who else do we like? Who else do we not like?
The Colt situation as a whole worthy of discussion as well,
Mark Willard, Jason Martin. We continue.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
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tyrak dot com the way tie buying should be. That's
Jason Martin, I Mark Willard, and we are thankful for
your presence that you're with us tonight. Whatever it is
you're doing on your Sunday, not a school night, not
a work night for most, you get to just kind
of lollygag your way through the rest of this one,
and then when we all get back to work, it

(01:21:13):
is football time coming up this week. Jason, let me
give you three NFC teams that I don't think many
people are talking about, who I think are interesting this
year and potentially even playoff teams. One of them I
think is for sure a playoff team. I'll start with

(01:21:35):
that one. This may not seem like I'm going out
on a limb because their division is so ridiculous, but
I think the New Orleans Saints are a squad. I
think that that's going to be a very, very different
feel for that team this year. They have skill position players. Now,
they've at least got some credibility at quarterback. I think

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they've got a top five defense in the conference. And
then let's be honest, six of their seventeen games are
absolute cupcakes, meaning their division mates like Tampa Bay, Atlanta
and Carolina are either offering a young quarterback or no quarterback,

(01:22:16):
and so I think the Saints are real interesting team
and I would be shocked if they are not the
NFC South Division Crown winners.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
So I have the Panthers winning the NFC South. Okay,
So I'm so happy that you did this, because I
love it when there are opportunities to disagree, I just
tell about it. I'm not sure about the Saints because
I'm not sure about the quarterback and I'm not sure
about the head coach right now. I look at Carolina
and I see Bryce Young, who I love. I know

(01:22:49):
he's young, but at least he's gonna have Adam Thielen.
I know he doesn't have DJ Moore, but he's got
Adam Thielen. Last year, Steve Wilf's got an awful lot
out of that defense, and they were able to keep
the key pieces of that defense around. Certainly McCaffrey is
not there. That hurts Andyonta Foreman is not there either.
But I just look at that division and I don't
think anybody is particularly great there. But I think that

(01:23:12):
the potential for the Panthers to be good. Strikes me
as and Aaron actually agree with me. Aeron Torres agree
with me. He said it first and actually sold me
on it because I was more on your side. And
then he pulled me back over and said, you know what,
I think I might agree with you Erin, And so
I've kind of jumped on to believe in the Panthers

(01:23:32):
good turn out to be wrong. I know where you're
coming from. I just don't have a sense of what
this Saints team is going to be. So maybe you
can make the case that pulls me back to New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Well, let me start with what was the case that
brought you over to Carolina. I had a few things
about that team. I just tend to sort of think
when you start brand new young quarterback, they are going
to be a lot of obvious bumps and bruises. This
is not to say nice young can't be a good player.

(01:24:04):
I just don't think he's gonna lead anybody to a
division and crown right out the gate.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Yeah. Well, I mean it's certainly possible, and they're gonna
be highs and they're gonna be lows. Uh, there's gonna
be probably more highs for him than some rookie quarterbacks.
Certainly this year there will be because I don't know
his football IQ and he does have a couple of
tools that he can work with, whereas I don't know
what Stroud is going to be throwing to in Houston.
I have no clue what that's gonna be in the

(01:24:31):
short term, just as one example. But again, I do
think that he is going to be helped by you
get a Kwanu who really started to come on down
to stretch last year for that O line. I expect
that he's gonna have a really solid year. We'll see
what the guys do around him, but I think that
line will be a little bit improved. Bryce can move

(01:24:51):
a bit. His height and his you know, all that
stuff scares me. It certainly scares me. He's gonna have
to stay healthy for them to be good. I also, oh,
I like Frank Reich, and I think Reich is a
steadying influence and I don't think that he is a disaster.
I think he made one disastrous decision that cost him
his job in Indianapolis, and that was back in Carson

(01:25:12):
Wentz and when that failed, Jim Mersey was going to
get him out of there. Regardless, and so they found
a way to get that job done. But Dennis Allen, okay,
and then Derek Carr, I've kind of wavered on him.
At times. I've been fairly high on him, at times
I've been fairly low. I think he's just kind of
middle of the road. I think he's somewhere in that,

(01:25:34):
you know, thirteen to fifteenth best quarterback in the league,
and maybe that is enough, because look, you watched a
guy like that in San Francisco with Jimmy Garoppolo, because
I think there are a lot of similarities in terms
of kind of what they are, except that Garoppolo won
Creed a lot more games. But I don't know what
that is like, I'm not sure, and I do like
some of the skill position players for the Saints. It

(01:25:56):
just kind of feels like their window closed a few
years ago. Sean Payton probably realized it. There's still some
things there that don't quite add up to me. And
then Carr is very much inconsistent, especially in big games,
like in games that everybody is watching or that that

(01:26:16):
team has to win. Often those are the times when
you can't count on Derek Carr, and that worries me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Yeah, I understand you make some very fair points there,
and the Dennis Allen one is probably at the top
of the list. I just think that quarterbacking in the NFL,
and again we're talking about simply winning a bad division,
not talking about ending up in the Super Bowl thing.
But you're talking about a quarterback who if you want

(01:26:43):
to compare them to Garoppolo, they've kind of done some
similar things to what the forty nine ers did around him.
You look at what you need to surround a quarterback
like that with in order to do some good things.
Their receiving corps has a chance, I'll only say it
as it has a chance. It has a chance to
be something pretty special. Olave has now solidified himself. Can

(01:27:08):
Michael Thomas become a version of his former self? And
they love the kid Rashid Shaheed as well. That's an
interesting core. You get Kamara back from the suspension a
few games in, but they have some credibility behind him
and bringing in Jamal Williams, and you remember what kind
of a spiritual vibe he was in the Lions locker

(01:27:29):
room last year. Got to know that on hard knocks
you just put all that together. I even like their
young tight end and Juwan Johnson. I think he'll be interesting,
and Derek Carr loves to use the tight end. So
put that together with a solid offensive line, and then
the familiar names on the defensive side with Cam Jordan,
Marshawn Lattimore, the Honey Badger. You put all that together

(01:27:53):
and tell me that I get a bunch of games
against Baker Mayfield and Desmond Ritter, and I'm old, that's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
I agree with you in terms of I think it's
I think that whichever one of the two teams that
we are arguing for right now doesn't finish first, we'll
finish second. Even though I like Arthur Smith, I just
don't think they've got the tools. B John Robinson may
turn out to be great, but I think B John
Robinson is another one of those one of those scenarios

(01:28:24):
kind of like say Kwon Barkley was for the Giants,
where I don't feel like they had the luxury considering
their quarterback situation to draft a running back that high,
because until you have a quarterback, it doesn't matter what
you have at running back unless you're in Tennessee and
you have Derrick Henry for the better part of the
last half decade. That's kind of an anomaly and it's
not a thing that we're going to see in most cases.

(01:28:44):
And I think Tampa Bay is going to be downright awful.
So I think I think that at least nobody's nobody
on this show right now is arguing for the Bucks,
and no one is arguing for the Falcons. So I
think one of the two of us are going to
be right. I think the question is just how much
progress does does Bryce Young show from the beginning of
this year to the end? And can he stay healthy?

(01:29:06):
Those are the two critical questions because Panthers fans aren't
looking at it this year like this needs to be
a Super Bowl year or even a playoff year. It
does need to be a year where at the end
of it you have some hope. It's the same kind
of way you want to feel if you're Oklahoma or
Texas this year before you move into the SEC. You
want some positive momentum exiting this year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Tampa is on my short list of of Caleb Williams, Yeah, Damnations,
Tampa's on. Tampa's on the list. I know Arizona is
everybody's favorite because they're just openly trying. But but but
Tampa Bay is they're they're they're.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
In the net. But don't you think, oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah,
I mean I look at I look at the league
as a whole, and those are two teams that stand
out as definite worst potential, not just bad, but worst.
There are some teams I definitely look at and are
not feeling good about it all, but I don't see

(01:30:02):
them in the cellar either. One of those two teams
I think could easily be like a two win football team.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
One of my other teams is a team that I
don't like it when the teams that I'm like, they're
interesting and then it becomes trendy because then I'm like, yeah,
I'm wrong, because the trendy thing never works right. But
like Washington Commanders, that's such a difficult division. But I
also put it this way, one of my predictions will

(01:30:32):
absolutely be that the New York Giants are going to
finish fourth in that division, not Washington. I don't think
the Giants were a legit playoff team last year. Even
though they made the playoffs, I thought it was very circumstantial.
I'm intrigued by not necessarily a buyer yet in Sam Howell,

(01:30:52):
I'm intrigued by it, but I am convinced about pretty
much the rest of the roster. You know, you want
to talk about something that can be Garoppolo esque. Washington
has a very good defense. I really dig their receiving corps.
They've got a lot of different backs coming out of
the backfield. That's how you get victories without having an

(01:31:14):
elite quarterback. Very hard division. Obviously, no one's gonna say
anything about the Eagles, and very few will say anything
about the Cowboys. But I think the Commanders can be
this year's Giants and potentially find their way into a
wildcard team.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
I would definitely sign up for your Giants newsletter if
you put one out, because I agree and I feel
like the version of Daniel Jones that we saw last
year mark is the best version of Daniel Jones you'll
ever see. I don't think that this was man. He
hasn't even hit a sewing yet. Oh yeah he did.
I think he hit it and may have actually put

(01:31:49):
his head through it a little bit. I don't see
that guy being the same guy this year, even that
he was last year, And ultimately I just never really
bought into the talent that they had on that team across,
especially on the defensive side of the ball, But I
just never bought into Daniel Jones. Now Waller's going to
help them, and I do like Brian Dable, but in

(01:32:11):
that division with Philadelphia, with Dallas, who look, they're going
to be overhyped, but they're also going to be pretty good.
And then I agree with you on Washington. It's not
like I think Washington is going to be carrying any
trophies at the end of the year. But I think
the b Enemy move helps them, and I think the
Daniel Snyder out move helps them. There's just a different

(01:32:32):
culture and a different vibe surrounding that team this year,
and I think sometimes there is a lot of addition
to be made by subtraction, and that's exactly what you
experienced from the Commanders and Howell. There was a lot
of hype for Howell right before his senior year at UNC,
when the team around him wasn't very good and he
kind of faded into obscurity, and then he came into

(01:32:53):
the league and people were like, well, who's this Sam Howe. Well,
we'll find out, because I think they're going to be
a very competent, well coached, don't beat themselves kind of
football team, and that might be enough right there to
make them relevant.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Usually, when you sign your quarterback to a new contract,
you look at it and you're like, ooh, nice deal.
But within three or four years it's going to be
obsolete and it'll look like a bargain because all these
other quarterbacks are gonna get their deals and you'll fly by.
I would predict the opposite for Daniel Jones. I think
that one's gonna feel a little bit more Kyler Murray esque,

(01:33:29):
where about seven minutes after you sign it, you're, oh, boy,
really one hundred and sixty million dollars for Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Yeah, I just don't get it. It's not it's certainly
not that I think he's a bad football player. It's
just that I don't think that you're I don't think
that you do that unless you will, unless you believe
that you can contend for a super Bowl, because giving
him that kind of money and knowing that he's all right,

(01:34:02):
and I think that's about kind of what I've said.
He's all right at times, he's even maybe pretty good.
That's just good enough to make it hard to draft
his replacement. That becomes purgatory for a lot of teams
in this league is that they end up being eight
or nine win football teams that are never quite good
enough to really make you happy if you're a Giants fan,

(01:34:24):
but also not trash enough to then actually go out
and get a Caleb Williams or something like that. Like
at least you're Arizona and Tampa Bay fans this year. Yeah,
you can root for losses because of what that could
mean for you next season. The Giants aren't gonna be
that bad mark. They're gonna be like a six to
seven win football team at worst, and that's exactly what

(01:34:45):
you don't want. You don't want to just continually be mediocre.
That's the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Yep. And you can enjoy your sixteenth overall draft pick.
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(01:35:11):
more NFC team for you. Jason, and this one's gonna
make you raise your eyebrows. That's coming up next on
Fox Sports Radio. Jason, I want you to listen closely, Okay,
I want you to listen closely to the uh, the
amazing lyrics and one of the greatest NFL songs that

(01:35:31):
has has ever been produced.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
You've heard this, right, I don't think I've actually heard
this all right?

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Sing along?

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Well it still feels that way done it Bears still
all right? Yeah, I got hold every you caught on.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Did you wait a minute? What if what if I
told you Jason that no, they don't What if I
told you no, they don't the what if you did?

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Yeah? I will not be by the way?

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Am I crazy? Am I just getting a little like
Fantasy football eyes? If you will buy the Chicago Bears
justin fields? This is definitely it, my man, Like this
is it's year three. You got to you got to
stand up and be counted right now and let people

(01:36:44):
know was this a good pick or not? Because he's
the guy where we're still kind of sitting on the fence,
you know what I mean. Like Trevor Lawrence thumbs up,
Zach Wilson thumbs down, Trey Lance thumbs down, Mac Jones
a fine, but like thumbs down if you're really want
to compete. Justin Fields is the one where I'm like,
I don't know, I don't know. And he did some

(01:37:05):
interesting things last year, like the way this team is
now going to be coached, the fact that they actually
have redone the whole skill position. View like they had
the worst receiving corp in football. I thought, so. Dj
Moore to me is a really really big time player,
and I'm intrigued, especially you know, Aaron Rodgers leaves the division.

(01:37:29):
The Vikings were paper tigers to begin with. I know
you love the Lions, so do I. I'm not calling
a division title, but I do think that's a team
that can dance around five hundred and threaten for wild
card in the end.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
I mean, you're right about Dj Moore. I mean, this
was a team, it wasn't. The worst receiving corps in
football last year is the worst receiving corps I've seen
in many years. It felt like like there were just
no weapons. There was justin Fields and then nondescript player
number one, and then they grabbed Chase Claypool. I mean
Vaylesh Jones was good at Tennessee, super fast, but you

(01:38:07):
can't bring him in and expect him to be anything
like substantial like a wide receiver one, wide receiver two.
I was sitting there wondering if Bears fans are just
pining for Alshon Jeffery again at this point in time.
You're right in terms of that's a division where again
I am. I have a healthy skepticism about Green Bay

(01:38:28):
because I remember what they said about Jordan Love when
they knew he wasn't going to be playing, when Aaron
Rodgers was still there. The leaks that came out were
far different than what we've heard over the last few months,
when there would be nothing to be gained by leaking
negative information about Jordan Love. But at the same time,
I actually am going to watch him play before I
render a verdict. We'll find out, but I definitely think

(01:38:50):
that there's gonna be some struggles there. It's going to
be a bit of a roller coaster for him and
probably for his head coach, for Matt Lafleur, who's gotten
used to the Aaron Rodgers experience, and this one's going
to be far different. Minnesota couldn't agree more there that
was a team that had a negative point differential last
year that somehow kept winning games with a defense that

(01:39:11):
seemed like they were all over fifty and they didn't
do much to repair it during the offseason. I think
they're right for a fall, even though I like their
head coach, and then the Lions, who I really like.
So it's very possible, without with all the question marks
around in Green Bay, that the Bears could end up,

(01:39:31):
you know, fighting close to the second team in that division.
I also think that could be a six or seven
win football team. Perhaps, yeah I could, but yeah, and
maybe that's still better. I don't know, Like what is
fair for a Bears fan to feel good at the
end of this year about where the team is and
about QB one being fields because they have upgraded the

(01:39:52):
weapons around him, they have upgraded the offensive line around him.
I've seen multiple reports basically all right now, it is
really put up a shut up time when it comes
to justin Fields because all of the things that you've
been able to say to defend him up to this
point are not going to actually hold any water. Should
he be below average this.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Year, well I agree with that. To me, that's actually
the answer to your question. I mean, the Vegas total
this year for the Bears is seven and a half,
which is interesting, right, because that's asking for you to
be right, they got to get all the way to
essentially five hundred. I know there's now seventeen games, but
the Bears have to be a five hundred team for
you to be right if you want to pick the

(01:40:35):
over there. So that to me says that Vegas thinks
that that's about what they're going to be. They're not
thinking it's a six win team. They're thinking that they're
going to be going into the final weekend of the
season at seven and nine with a chance to go
one way or the other. But the bigger question for
me is not what their record is or if they
make the playoffs. It's whether or not Justin Fields can

(01:40:58):
solidify who he is as QB one. It's year three.
You pretty much do not get to go beyond that
unless you find a very rare circumstance, And that rare circumstance,
i'd argue, is a circumstance that a team does not
want you. And I just talked about it going into
year four and having everyone go are you good? Is

(01:41:23):
not what you want.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
His name.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
His name is Daniel Jones. It's what the Giants just
did and then gave one hundred and sixty million dollars
to a guy who could easily be the fourth best
quarterback in his division by the end of the year.
Same thing happened with Kyler Murray the year before that
with the Arizona Cardinals. A good season for the Bears
is when it's over, they're like, Okay, we may have

(01:41:47):
only gone eight to nine, but justin Fields solidified that spot.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
Yeah, and I think that is very fair. And I
think we have seen we've seen a couple of quarterbacks
in recent years. Mark year three was the year something
changed for them. Whether or not they I don't know,
went and grab Stefan Diggs for example, because it was
year three when you really learned what Josh Allen was
gonna be. And that's when Buffalo fans stopped looking at

(01:42:13):
anybody else and said, we've got our guy. Honestly, even
though you're still the jury's out on Tua, not because
of what he can do as a quarterback, but what
he can do in terms of being available and being
able to stay healthy long term. When he's healthy and
he has weapons around him, and he's got a coach
that's forward thinking offensively. I don't think there needs to

(01:42:34):
be much of a question mark there there are. The
other question marks are just ones that are gonna always
have to be answered about him. So there are examples.
Year three has to be the year for the Leap.
That's absolutely. I could not have said that better, because
when you get to the end of this year, if
you're still asking questions, you already know the answer. It's just, honestly,
is that true. Like these guys are not going to

(01:42:55):
blossom eight years into their career, and you can't hold
a franchise hostage, but for so long when it comes
to development, this is not the NBA, and fan for
Scilla is not calling somebody a project of a project
like that's not a thing that exists in the NFL world.
You have a certain amount of time to get the
job done. I think Fields is certainly capable. I loved

(01:43:17):
him coming out of Ohio State. I like to pick.
I wanted to see it succeed. I knew he was
going to be fun to watch. They did nothing for him.
The excuses that have been there for him I have
made because I felt sorry for him up to this
point in his career, but now that they have done
some things, some things have changed, and he's had a

(01:43:38):
couple of things fall into his lap that are positives.
Now he needs to take advantage of those things to
then prove the defenses that some of us have made
for him over the past two years to have been accurate.
In the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Someone in the Northwest is screaming like Gino Smith is
in his eleventh year, and it's your point off right,
so it But but I think your point, like that's
such an outlier. Yes, your point's a good one. You
look at the Burrows and the Herberts, the Josh Allens
and the eyes. I think this year, who like the

(01:44:12):
expectations around Trevor Lawrence. I mean, he did great last year,
but this year it's going to be like, Okay, now
you got to go win a division running away and
be that dude, because you really should. And and same
for Mac Jones in New England, Like I don't even
know what the expectations are for him, but this year
is going to tell the story as to whether or

(01:44:32):
not that's someone that Patriots want to keep putting out
there or not. So huge, huge year for him at
a huge huge moment for us because it's it's our
time to bring in Steve Desanger and let him do
his thing and let you know what is trending, especially
as that big time college football game hits the fourth quarter.

Speaker 8 (01:44:54):
So thank you for the intro humor.

Speaker 7 (01:44:57):
Is but I will say there was such a build
up when you finally to me, is the payoff? Can
I say on behalf of listeners that that has been disappointed?

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
FRDA disagreat I think people. I think people have been
sitting there for three minutes now, Yes, and a drum
beat was created. Where is he?

Speaker 7 (01:45:13):
Well, we do have college football to up day, because
at least according to the preseason polls.

Speaker 8 (01:45:18):
This is the top ten matchup.

Speaker 7 (01:45:19):
The opener in Orlando, Florida State is leading early fourth
quarter twenty four.

Speaker 8 (01:45:23):
To seventeen against LSU.

Speaker 7 (01:45:25):
May I remind us that the first drive of the
night for the LSU Tigers, it took them all of
two minutes to get down to the one yard line
and they got nothing from first and goal at the
one stopped for no gain than an incompletion, then another incompletion.
Coach Brian Kelly went forward on fourth and goal from
the one, and his quarterback was sacked.

Speaker 8 (01:45:45):
No points. They're down seven right now.

Speaker 7 (01:45:47):
Meanwhile, Florida State's quarterback Jordan Travis has a short touchdown run,
two touchdown passes in one interception. Those two TD passes
to Keon Coleman of the Seminoles. He has eight catches
one hundred and fifteen yards Right now. Florida State's offense
has goal to go already up twenty four to seventeen
on LSU ten and a half minutes to play. Eighteenth

(01:46:08):
ranked Oregon State was a winner at San Jose State
forty two to seventeen. Quarterback dj Uyangali lay five total
touchdowns to transfer from Clemson. Rutgers beat Northwestern twenty four
to seven. Rutgers defense with five sacks.

Speaker 8 (01:46:22):
Update.

Speaker 7 (01:46:23):
Florida State has scored at the US Open. Number one
Egas Fiantec underway in her match in New York. Cocoa
golf winner fourth rounder today. At Basketball's World Cup this
morning our time, the US ended the second round with
a loss to Lithuania one ten to one oh four,
but each team advances to the quarterfinals USA VERSUS Italy
on Tuesday. Canada will play Slovenia in a quarterfinal. The

(01:46:44):
Canadians came back to eliminate Spain today. NASCAR's at Darlington
tonight and they're very late in the race, five laps
to go. Kyle Larson in the lead, Tyler Reddick running second,
and Chris Buscher is a close third. As for the
baseball tonight, in Houston's beat the Stros again six to one.
Rookie Jason Diminge is a two run homer. Dodgers over

(01:47:05):
the Braves three to one. Rookie pitcher Bobby Miller the win.
He's nine and three. San Diego shut out the Giants
for nothing. Wins for Baltimore, Toronto and Miami, which is
won four in a row. The Cub's got ten runs
in the last two innings and one at Cincinnati fifteen
to seven. Philadelphia over Milwaukee four to two. The Brewers
are the first place team in the NL Central three

(01:47:26):
and a half games over the Cubs, six and a
half up on the Reds.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Back to you, well, Steve, I thought it was worth
every minute, I really do, and he mentioned Jason my
buzz phrase. If there's one thing that I would love
to eliminate from sports preseason rankings.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Oh I got dude, I've said that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
It drives me insane because and here's why, and unmind it.
It may be a different reason for you. Thing it
does for a team that is ranked lower is it
creates an extra hurdle that they have to cross in
order to prove their worth because of what somebody thought
they were going to be before they played a game.
If you rank a team higher, they don't have to

(01:48:16):
accomplish as much, but you then place that burden on
a team that you ranked lower that may or may
not have been better than the team that you ranked higher,
but they have to do more to get to the
same position. And to me, that's just insane.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
That is the exact same reason that I have. If
this was just for fun, if the rankings were just
something that it was like to get people talking as
the season got started, then fine. But college football, unlike
I don't know every other sport in America, they actually

(01:48:55):
are putting this stuff out there before anyone has even
taken a snap, and it has a direct effect on
how things play out on the field. And it blows
me away because, by the way, the one thing you
said in there, the only thing that I would sort
of adjust a little bit. Is when you said that
these people are ranked because of what some I don't

(01:49:17):
even think it's that. I don't think anybody thinks about
this at all. I think that they know these names.
If you're Georgia, if you're Alabama, if you're Ohio State,
if you're LSU, if you're USC, if you're Penn State,
if your Notre Dame, if you're Texas, you're up there.
You're up there in the top fifteen because that's how

(01:49:39):
the year starts, and it's anti sport. It's the whole
college football thing when I talked earlier about feeling like
you're on your way to vacation, but we spend too
much time at the rest stop. Like the whole sport
is in this temporary spot where we know where we're heading.
We're heading for super conferences, we're headed for sixteen team playoff,

(01:50:02):
We're headed for something that actually looks like the way
sports finish. But for whatever reason, college football has decided
not to rent a car, not to get a plane ticket.
They've decided to walk to this destination we know we're
heading to, and I just don't even know if everyone's
got the patience to wait till they get there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Yeah, and the preseason rankings, and it's so anti meritocracy
as well, because everybody is zero and zero. Yet X
team is better than HY team because I said so,
or because I decided to vote for it because I
live in this part of the country, as opposed to
even having any knowledge of the teams that I'm then
slighting somehow by ranking them lower. It's crazy. And I

(01:50:51):
understand that it's more difficult in college football than a
pro sport, just because there's so many teams that everybody
doesn't play each other and all of this. But if
these preseason rankings could just become these thought piece columns
in the athletic or wherever it would be, where here's
what I would rank these teams, that would be all right.
The fact that these get factored into the one sport

(01:51:13):
that also relies on votes and computers and human error
and all of this other stuff to determine a four
team playoff for right now, that to me makes it
even more crazy and more maddening as a fan. Even
though it becomes great for debate, it's great for what
we do towards the end of the year because there's
always debates, but that's really not the way it should

(01:51:36):
be because it's imperfect. It creates discussions that otherwise wouldn't exist.
And selfishly I love those discussions, but I also understand
that they're irrational and shouldn't exist when we can look
at records later to determine who is good and who
is not.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Yep, really well, said Live intheti Rack dot Com Studios,
Mark Willer, Jason Martin coming out next the play of
the day, and also speaking of predictions, I guess we
should answer his question, do we believe? You believe?

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Where is Coach Primes program going next? Now that they
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Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
And the one Ozero swinging a fly ball deep down
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Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
This one is God.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
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(01:53:13):
his first major league at BET, only twenty years old.
That's pretty good opening weekend for the Yankees and their fans.
I know no one feels sorry for them, but the
Yankees could use something to cheer about.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
Been a rough year, been a very very rough year.
Can't can't, can't relate as a Braves fan. But we've
had some lean years.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
This is not one of them, haven't we all know
it is not? No, it is not. My goodness, I
already already fawned over that team earlier today. Ninety and
forty six are the Atlanta Braves and a plucky little
run differential of plus two hundred and thirty nine. Good.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
That's usually a word. Yeah, that's that's gonna win a lot.
That's gonna win a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
I mean, I wonder if anybody else has sort of
put that in perspective. You have dominant teams like the
Dodgers plus one sixty six go to the Baltimore Orioles
plus one oh one. The Rays with the way they
started the year plus one eighty eight. I know the
Rangers have hit hard times, but they have that lineup

(01:54:21):
that won't quit plus one sixty eight. The Braves are
plus two thirty nine. Like whatever the A's are in
the negative direction, the Braves are in the positive. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
I think they took all of what the A's were
gonna get and also added it to their total as well.
When Matt Olsen left that team and came to Atlanta,
he took whatever positives they had and brought that to Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
Oakland Athletics minus two ninety six with their run differential
this year, however, hearts around Oakland and Las Vegas all
partying tonight. They no longer have the worst record in baseball.
Do you see that m I did not swept. They
swept the Otanis this weekend, and I have moved a

(01:55:12):
half game ahead of the Kansas City Royals.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Well good for them. Yeah, exactly small small stories right now,
unlike what Colorado did yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
All right, so everybody buzzing about coach Prime from a
lot of different directions. There was the game, there was
his son there. There there was the two way player action,
I mean, just unbelievable stuff. And then the inspirational speeches,
the press conferences. There was something for everybody in this story.
But I wonder where you think this is going next.

(01:55:49):
TCU is still a good program. Obviously, they lost a
lot and so they're not the team that they were
a year ago. But that said, looking at at what
we saw yesterday, does it feel sustainable to you?

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
I guess it depends on what you mean by sustainable,
because I look at their schedule and if they finished
date and four, it wouldn't stun me. And that's crazy
considering what they were last year. But Nebraska's not good.
That's gonna take a little bit more time than it
is for Prime because the transfer portal is not going

(01:56:27):
to be as kind and he's, you know, Matt Rule,
even though he has proven himself on a college level,
maybe he is not going to be able to entice
young athletes the same way Prime Time could. Colorado State.
You can beat Colorado State, Arizona State, you can beat them.
You can beat Stanford, I mean Oregon State with DJ Ujanglile,
I don't you know. I don't know. They had a

(01:56:48):
great year last year, but we'll see where they are
by the time you meet them. You can beat Arizona,
you can beat Washington State. Utah is going to be
a challenge. Oregon State maybe that's a challenge. CLA is
probably going to be a difficult ballgame. Oregon and USC
are probably losses. But I look at some games and
I see certainly Bowl eligible. I see Bowl eligibility. Yes,

(01:57:13):
just among the teams that I feel confident they can beat,
I think this is probably a seven win team at worst.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
Right now, I sort of agree with you because, like, look,
I think they're three and oh. I think they're going
to be three and oh. Based on what you just said,
they're home the next two weeks to Nebraska and Colorado State,
with the energy that is now around that program, what
that stadium is going to feel like in Boulder the
next couple of weeks, I think that they're going to

(01:57:42):
be three and oh. And that sets up an end
of September that is going to be ready to remember.
And that is on the road Adson Stadium at Oregon
September twenty third, and then Even if that doesn't go well,
that home game on September thirtieth against the USC Trojans
and Lincoln Riley is going to be something that everybody

(01:58:04):
wants to tune into and check out. And by the way,
you know, when you call them losses, you're probably right.
But keep in mind, you know, I watched all of
that USC game last night against San Jose State. You
cannot stop Caleb Williams and the skill position players that
USC has to offer. However, you can do the same

(01:58:28):
thing that you did to them last year, and that
is score. You can score on that team. And so
I think I don't know who wins that game, but
I can tell you I'd be pretty surprised if both
teams aren't north of thirty five points. I can tell
you that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
Yeah, no, I would agree. I mean, I have USC
in my final four. But the defense is still a
Lincoln Riley defense until further notice. And if that game
could be played in the fifties, possibly because it's gonna
be up and down, I mean, and there's a lot
of skill, talent and a lot of speed on that
field that's gonna be can't miss stuff. We knew win
or lose this season for Colorado was going to be

(01:59:03):
one to watch and to keep your eye on. Now
we know we'd better sit down and prepare because this
could be historic kind of stuff considering where they were
and where they find themselves right now.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Jason Martin, Man, this was a whole lot of fun.
I had a great time hanging out with you tonight. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
Yeah, it's good time. This first time I've ever gotten
to work with you. I think I've interviewed you a
few times on an NBA topic in the past, but
this has been a blast, man.

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
Yeah, to get three hours to talk it out. We
got our whistle all wet and ready to go for
NFL getting started with the first full week here in
a handful of days. So man, thanks, it was a
whole lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
Yeah, man, it absolutely was, brother, appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
It absolutely all. Right, there it is. That's the last
Sunday without the NFL, So the countdown is on and
look forward to talking to you about all of that
next week. For Jason Martin, I Mark Wellard, Fox Sports Radio,

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