Mark Willard and Kyle Rudolph break down a wild Week 7 in the NFL!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
You know, I was thinking about that phrase perception is reality,
and something.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Today made me go, why why do we accept that?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We all know that perception is not reality, So why
do we just accept that and move or move on?
Because at least two games today showed us that our
perceptions are not reality.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Let's get into it.

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(00:51):
sides of this one tomorrow night, but maybe a little bit.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I can't wait to talk about that one with you
as well.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
You can rep the Niners and and we'll talk it out.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
But how we doing this evening?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Doing good?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Certainly another wild Sunday in the NFL. I think that's
what makes this league so special. As you mentioned there
in the opener that you know, oftentimes you perceive to
have things figured out, and it's not always reality. And
I think there were a few teams today that you know,
over the last couple of weeks, we thought we had
figured them out or we assumed they were something that

(01:27):
they're not, and we were shown otherwise today.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, I'll tell you what. I want to start with
one where I'm not necessarily even feeling that we've been
thinking a certain way about them this year. We've been
feeling a certain way about them for a number of years.
And this is not to say that this team is
not good, that this team is not a contender, but

(01:54):
there are head scratching realities right now about the Buffalo Bills.
And when I think about the way that we talk
about the NFL, whether it be teams or whether it
be the position we speak of the most, which is
of course quarterback, whenever we have that little side comment

(02:15):
that we make about the elite and they are the
benchmark against which we compare everything else, it's like a quarterback.
Have they reached the level of Mahomes and Allen? Have
they reached the level in the AFC where they can
contend like the Chiefs and the Bills? And I just
started thinking about this today and I'm like, why are

(02:37):
those two things in the same sentence?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Why do we do that?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
The Chiefs have been to three Super Bowls and won
a couple of them. Patrick Mahomes is the face of
the league. Meantime, Sure the Bills go to the playoffs.
Josh Allen is a phenomenal athlete. He wins fantasy games.
Why are we putting those two teams and those two
players on the same level because the results would say otherwise.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
I think it goes to the playoff games that we've seen,
you know, especially I go back to a couple of
years ago in Kansas City where you know, Buffalo seemingly
had that Divisional round game one multiple different times, yet
they let it slip away. And obviously Kansas City went
on lost to the Bengals then in the AFC Championship

(03:29):
a week later.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
But I feel like that's.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Where you know, this year, you look at the AFC
coming into the season, everything was about those three teams,
the defending Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs. They always
reload on the offensive side of the ball. It doesn't
matter Mahomes and Kelsey are there. Everything else will be fine.
You have the Buffalo Bills, and you had the Cincinnati Bengals,

(03:53):
and those are the three teams that we kind of
put above everyone else in the AFC. And honestly, I
feel like with Cincinnati getting off to the start that
they did and Joe Burrow being hurt, it was kind
of just, oh, well, we assume now it's only Buffalo
and Kansas City, and we kind of gave them the

(04:13):
benefit of the doubt. To me, you know, my biggest
issue that I see with the Bills, you know, it's
it's come up on our show a few times, just
the injuries on defense, the personnel that they lost in
free agency on defense certainly, you know, yeah, they they
gave up twenty nine points to the Patriots, which I
guess we've talked about that offense. That's probably more points

(04:35):
than they've scored the last month combined. So yeah, maybe
the defense is still a little bit to blame there.
But you know, to me, it's you know, when you
watch the Bills and their role in it's because you know,
Josh Allen is as talented as any quarterback in this league,
and that's why you always say, is is he on
the Allen and Mahomes level. It's usually in reference to

(04:58):
talent not winning, because no one has been on Patrick's
level in terms of winning. And that's one of my
biggest issues with this Bill's team is on offense, it's
kind of just Josh Allen, and if Josh goes around
and he saves the day, then they win. And if
Josh turns the ball over or he can't make these

(05:20):
miraculous plays to get them explosives on offense, then they don't.
And it seems like that's been what we've talked about
at eight point fifteen every night so far. After a
Bill's loss or after a big Bill's win, it's, oh,
Josh Allen didn't turn the ball over. You know, he
was throwing it all over the place, dropping dimes, Stefan

(05:42):
Diggs head over one hundred receiving yards again. And then
you go to the other side, it's, oh, well, Josh
Allen turned the ball over. They weren't as efficient on offense,
and it's like they don't have anything to take that
pressure off Josh. And you know, he is a great
player and he deserves that respect, but I would just
love to see something, you know, Today's twenty seven of

(06:04):
forty one obviously turned it over early in the game.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
With the pick. But it's just I don't see.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
That formula for Buffalo carrying them into a late January
playoff game against the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Like we kind of all just assumed.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, I look at it. I feel like you just
nailed it. I was thinking about it. I look at him,
and I go, what's the other thing that the Bills
do well? I get Josh Allen to Stefan Diggs. What's
the other thing? Give me the second thing that the
Bills do really well? Yes, Tradavius White, Matt Mulono are

(06:42):
hurt and all acknowledgment to that with a defense that
I think would have been a pretty solid group this year,
but right now they're not. You give up twenty nine
and a game winning drive to Mac Jones in a
minute and a half, a guy who's really struggled to
get a first down for about a month. To get
give that up, I think is more than just a

(07:03):
red flag. But how would you answer that if I
if I said that, what is the next thing other
than Josh that the Bills do well?

Speaker 4 (07:15):
I mean, I think that's that's the biggest issue, you know,
for me. I look at him offensively, and you know,
I have my bias towards the tight end position, being
that that's what I played. It's what I enjoy watching,
you know. So I watch this Bills offense and you
see Dalton Kincaid. They drafted him in the first round.
You know, when you bring in a guy that is

(07:35):
a first round pick, you know that has to be
a difference maker for your team. And you know, certainly
I love it more than anyone. It's the position that
I played. And when you see him and Dawson Knox
out there too, tight ends the flexibility that it can
give you, you know, taking that type of a player,
you know, essentially a receiving only tight end in the

(07:57):
first round. I'm not saying it applied to their offense.
I'm not seeing this Buffalo Bills offense put defenses in
a bind by putting both of those guys out there
and running the football when there's eleven personnel in the
game and the defense puts Nickel out there or a
sub defense of some sort, and when you watch them

(08:18):
go up and down the field, it's like, in my
opinion from Afar, that's why you draft a guy like
that in the first round. He has this elite past
catching ability at the tight end position. And then Dawson
Knox is a guy who has been successful in the
past for you, and it's like there's nothing else for
Kansas City to hang their hat on. You know, Gabe

(08:39):
Davis has one catch today. He's kind of always been
the number two guy to digs in the past.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Game.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
We talked about the defense in the past, that Leslie
Frasier led defense was always solid. You knew you could
count on them. They would turn the football over, they
would give this offense opportunities to score points, and and
we're just not seeing that. And again it's I don't
necessarily think that's because Leslie Fraser is no longer there

(09:07):
and and he's not calling the defense. I think it
has a whole lot more to do with the personnel
that left in the offseason and certainly the personnel that
they're missing due to injury so far this year.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I'm glad you mentioned your position. I forgot to mention, uh,
happy National tight Ends Day to you.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Absolutely got a shout out to the tight ends today
on National tight Ends Day.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
You love this, of course you're very.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, so it's it's funny. I remember like the first
year that that kind of came out and was a thing.
You know, it was really cool to see between Travis
and George greg Olsen, you know, all these guys just
showing love to the tight end position, and certainly in
only a way that George Kittle can show love to
the tight end position in the goofy, quirky way that

(09:55):
he kind of goes about everything. But it is, it's
it's a lot of fun to see tight ends get
love because oftentimes tight ends have historically been a position
where we look at ourselves as we're you know, big
receivers that also have to block like linemen, but most
people look at us as slow receivers and too small

(10:16):
to be lineman. So again, it's it's kind of the
way you perceive things. And so we love to have
a little day here to celebrate the tight end position,
and I certainly would love to see more out of
the Bills tight ends to help this offense.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, and we're we're gonna see what maybe Dallas Goddard
can do here in a little bit to celebrate, we
will set the table for this very good looking Sunday
night matchup in a little bit, but also stay in
the AFC because it is a day that with the
Bills loss and the Chiefs impressive victory, that you do
sort of look at the AFC and I guarantee you

(10:51):
it's going to be another week of people going, oh man,
the Chiefs are just going to the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
That's it and I and it's way too early for that.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
But with the Bills being knockdown, let's see what the
Dolphins have in this one tonight in prime time. If
they get knocked down, I promise that's gonna.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Be the way people feel.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
But there are some teams laying in the weeds a
little bit that are going to have to be reckoned with.
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Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, Jalen Hurts versus two a Tugobailoa. Where have we
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Speaker 3 (13:06):
Primer on this one before it begins.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I feel like the Eagles have a little bit of
a trenches advantage in this game tonight. The last time
the Dolphins went up over or against a team that
really called for them to win some battles in the trenches,
it was the aforementioned Buffalo Bills, and they lost by
four touchdowns. I certainly don't think that that's gonna happen tonight,

(13:30):
but I would put my chip on the eagle side
of the ledger in this one before it begins.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
What do you think, Yeah, it's definitely a great test
for the Dolphins. I felt like that was what we
talked about coming off of the dolphins first loss. You know,
these are the type of teams that they're gonna have
to stack up against, and you know, ultimately you have
to to take down the bully if you want to
stand at the top. And you know, you see this
Dolphins team that it's talked about all the time, just

(13:59):
the be all over the place, the pace at which
they play on offense. You know, it's both in the
run game and the pass game, but when they match
up against a powerful offense and defensive line, how do
they hold up? Certainly I would also put my chip
on the Eagles ledger just basically coming off of their

(14:20):
game last week, the way that they didn't rely on
their offense and defensive lines. You know, we talked about
it immediately following that game, with some of the decisions
and play calling and not putting the game in the
hands of their front seven on both sides of the ball.
And that's where this Eagles team is built. So it'll
be a lot of fun to watch this Dolphins team

(14:42):
go up against that and see how they handle it. Because,
as we mentioned, we're waiting for somebody to challenge the
Chiefs in the AFC, and certainly, with a strong showing tonight,
the Dolphins could make that case.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, this one, and also just the story of Jalen
Hurts and to a tungue of I lowed how they
are forever lenked because of their experience at Alabama, the
high profile nature of the way that the switch happened.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I love both of these stories. At the same time.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's like I don't know if the guy who came
in to replace Jalen Hurts and ended up being a
first round draft pick can be an underdog story, but
somehow it still feels that way, you know, a little undersized,
went through all of the concussion stuff last year, and
so I think that that, you know, America loves rooting

(15:31):
for this guy, and he seems to do it in
a little bit of a different way than the other
top qbs who have similar numbers. And then Jalen Hurts,
somebody who was replaced and shipped out and went somewhere
else and then was not a top draft pick to
end up in this situation and be involved in the
MVP debate the way that he was last year. Somehow

(15:53):
someway when we go back to that night when Alabama
was in the National title game and the way it
all unfolded, somehow they've sort of ended up both being
guys we root for at the next level and so
therefore really fun to see him go ahead to head tonight.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
It is really fun, And I agree. I think it's
two really incredible stories. You talked about Tua and a
guy who even this year with the success record breaking
pace that this offense is having the public and most
members of the media still want to take the credit
away from him and just assume that, well, any quarterback

(16:33):
in this system would be able to do that. It
has nothing to do with Tua and his play. It's
all of the explosive playmakers in the backfield out wide.
It's Tyreek Kill, Jalen Waddle, it's Raheem Mozart. It's all
these guys that they're the reason this offense is setting

(16:55):
records and scoring points and eating up yards at an.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Historic pace, not because of Tua.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
And then you mentioned Jalen's story going and leaving Alabama
going to Oklahoma really a highly scrutinized draft pick when
the Eagles took him in the second round while Carson
Wentz was still their guy. They had just paid Carson
Wentz not too long before that, and you know, Carson
was a guy who was coming off of you know,
the twenty seventeen season. People forget, you know, he before

(17:25):
he tore his ACL, he was probably the front runner
for the MVP of the league that year.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
And they go on to win.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
A Super Bowl with Nick Foles, and it was kind
of downhill from there for Carson and Philly, But when
they drafted Jalen, it was why are we taking this guy?
Like he doesn't fit anything we do. You know, his
style of play doesn't fit this offense at all. We're
gonna have to change everything. And yet he's just keeps

(17:51):
his head down each and every game, each and every year.
Last week was his second ever loss as a starting quarterback.
And it's just like the guy has gone i think
twenty something and two as a starting quarterback in the NFL,
just putting up incredible numbers, having unbelievable success. And yet
you know, oftentimes it's scrutinized because it's not conventional. The

(18:13):
way he plays isn't conventional. It's not what we're used to.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Okay, but let's also let's have a real conversation here.
Seven touchdowns, seven interceptions this year for Jalen Hurts. That
is that's not what we got used to last year.
That's not what would put him on the same plane
as the top QB's in the league. I know, we're
talking about a very very small sample and they are

(18:39):
winning football games, and so, by no stretch of my
you know, out on Jalen Hurts. However, we also rushed
this guy because of last year into the conversation of
being a top five, top seven type QB in this league.
And it is interesting, you know a lot in so
many things. For me when we talk qbs go back

(19:03):
to the thing we've been talking about all year, which
is draftism and where you know, Jalen Hurts is still
as you said, he's in is what second complete season
if you will, as a starter based on the number
of starts, And he was so good last year and

(19:24):
the Eagles were so good that we just sort of
moved on with the idea.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
That that's that's the guy.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
And I think you were the first one to point
out back at the beginning of the year. We were
only two or three games in and you were like, look,
the Eagles are good and Jalen is good, and all
of that is fine, but something's not quite right. And
I don't know that they've actually done much to dispel that.
What was it that you saw back then and do

(19:51):
you still feel like that's a part of this story.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Well, for me, it was watching they beat the Vikings
on Thursday night and we and watching that game, Minnesota
turned the ball over like crazy. I think they turned
it over four times in that game, and yet you
just you were waiting. I kept joking around. I mentioned
to my wife Jordan, I'm like, I wish Philadelphia would

(20:15):
just end this game so I could go to bed,
Yet I'm still watching it. I stayed up till almost
midnight watching this Thursday night game. When I knew how
it was going to end. Minnesota was going to get close,
they would make it a one possession game, and then
ultimately Philly would win. And that was exactly how it ended.
But when I was watching that game, you know, I

(20:36):
saw an offense that looked out of sync. You know,
they really weren't clicking on all cylinders in the air.
And it wasn't until a drive, I think it was
early in the second quarter. They ran the ball thirteen
times and scored a touchdown. It was kind of the
swift coming out party in Philadelphia, not Kansas City, and

(21:01):
it was, hey, we're running the ball and you can't
stop it, and you know, it was like, yeah, that's great.
And again it shows the way that Philadelphia kind of
lives with their offense and defensive lines. But that's not
the Philadelphia offense that we saw last year.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
And you know, I.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Think Jalen got put into that category in my opinion
for two reasons. You know, first is he was second
in the MVP race last year, so he did have
a really high quality season, certainly taking his team all
the way to the super Bowl. So you put individual
play along with teams success, and that that catapulted him up,

(21:40):
kind of building off of the year they had before
where he took over as the full time starter and
they went to the playoffs, so it was kind of
you know, back to back playoff appearances, a super Bowl appearance.
And then for me, it's not number two. But the
second reason, and probably the most important reason is fifty
one million dollars a year. So he signs the big

(22:01):
contract in the offseason, and now you know, it's no
longer a draftism, it's a contract ism. It's like, hey,
this guy's getting He signed the biggest deal in NFL
history at the time at fifty one million dollars a year.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
So I do still believe.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
That this is an offense under new offensive coordinator Brian
Johnson that's trying to trying to figure it out. You know,
how much can I run Jailen? Something that we talked
about with Anthony Richardson all the time when you have
a quarterback. Shane Steiken was the coordinator in Philly last
year and then he went to Indy and he drafted
his quarterback that can run the football. Well, now he

(22:38):
doesn't have his quarterback that can run the football for
the rest of the season because he's having shoulder surgery
from you know, taking hits and getting tackled like a
running back. So it's this this fine line that Brian
Johnson's trying to walk, where how do I kind of
bottle up that magic from last year where Jalen Hurts
is throwing the ball all over the place, he's running.

(23:01):
We got backs running the football involved in the past game.
So definitely interested to see as that continues to progress
throughout the season.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Well, and I love your point about bouncing back.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Whatever they did there at the end of that game,
whether you want to blame it on Sirianni and the
play calling or the decision that Jalen Hurts made at
the end of that game against the Jets.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
They owe it.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
They owe it to everybody who roots for them to
have a bounce back, because that was as bad of
a game situational finish as we've watched this year, and
I think there have been a bunch they've gone right
down the field and are inside the ten yard line
right now, although they for the moment have kind of
stalled for a third and goal from the nine.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
We will keep you up to date on that and.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Discuss further those laying in the weeds a FC teams,
because there are at least a couple of them with
Kyle Rudolph Mark Willard, Fox Sports Radio. But let's get
the third member of our team in here tonight and
find out what's trending.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Martin Weiss is in and by with all the latest.
What's uping?

Speaker 7 (24:02):
My brother had we doing doing well? Man ALCS Game
six underway right now. The Astros can clinch a World
Series birth with a win tonight. They came out scored
in the bottom of the first inning, but Mitch Garver
with the home run in the top of the second.
We're currently sitting in the top of the second, one out,
one on, tied one to one. An NFL action earlier today,
well actually right here NFL action and this moment Philadelphia

(24:24):
Eagles the field goal take a three to nothing lead
with seven to fifty left in the first quarter over
the Miami Dolphins. Now the NFL action from earlier today.
Jordan Love threw a late interception crust the Packers come
back attempt to Broncos victorious in that one, nineteen to seventeen.
Travis Kelce had twelve catches, one hundred and seventy nine
yards and a touchdown as his friend Taylor Swift watched
along as the Chiefs beat the Chargers thirty one to seventeen.

(24:46):
Rookies Jackson Smith and Jigmu and Jake Bobo both that
career first touchdowns as the Seahawks beat the Cardinals twenty
to ten. Brad Maher missed two field goals and an
extra point in his third game this season missing multiple
field goals. Steelers beat the Rams twenty four to seventeen.
Rookie Tyson Bagen gets a winning his first start as
the Bears beat the Raiders thirty to twelve. Lamar Jackson

(25:07):
twenty for twenty seven three fifty seven through the year,
three passing touchdowns plus thirty six rushing and a touchdown
on the ground. Ravens beat the Lions thirty eight to six.
Browns beat the Colts thirty nine to thirty eight. DeShawn
Watson start of the game clear to the concussion evaluation,
but did not return.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
PJ.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
Walker finished the game out. Although DeShawn does get the
win because he started. Bill Belichick got a win, his
three hundredth career win, making him the third winning this
coach in NFL history. Patriots upset the Bills twenty nine
to twenty five. Magic Johnson had this to say about
the commander's game quote, disappointing loss fourteen to seven for
my commanders to the NY Giants. It's hard to win

(25:45):
in the NFL when you only score seven points. That's
type of insight you'll get from Magic Johnson on X
or Twitter, whatever you'd like to call it. And the
Falcons walked off the Buccaneers sixteen to thirteen. Young Way
Coop with the game winning field goal. Atlanta in pole
position in the NFC South Mark back to you, Martin.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
It's so true. Magic tweets are the best.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
My prediction for his tweet would have been we lost
because the other team scored more points than us.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Bummer.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's what I had gone with, but he adjusted it
a little bit. His was a little bit more intricate
than what he thought he was going to do. There's
nothing like a magic tweet when you can't understand something
in life and he simplifies it for you.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's perfect.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
I say that was basically the bottom line. Hard to
win the NFL when you score seven points.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yes, that is true. It's hard to win when you
score fourteen. But the Giants did it.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
So anyway, whatever, thank you Magic, and thank you Martin
Wise as well, speaking of Taylor Swift watching along as
the Chiefs defeated the Chargers at at Arrowhead Stadium today,
I don't know if you noticed. I'm sure you did.
It's hard not to. It's been replayed every where. But
apparently Taylor has not just been working on her music,

(27:04):
but has been working on a little celebration dance with
Britney Mahomes. So if you are a high school teacher
or a middle school teacher, get ready, because I promise
you in the hallways tomorrow at school, you are going
to watch that little shimmy, shake, high five, ess, bounce
to the shoulder, whatever it was that Taylor and Britney
did up there in the suite. I guarantee you it's

(27:28):
going to be all over TikTok in an hour, if
not already.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
No doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
It's awesome to see the wives and girlfriend they have
the same chemistry that it seems like Pat and Trav
have on the field, because that's fun to watch. I mean,
it's you watch Trav today and you know, he had
over one hundred and forty yards in the first half,
and you know, he's just a guy who I've known

(27:53):
for a long time, and when you watch him, he
does things extremely unconventionally. You know, he's a guy who
just has an incredible feel for defenses, and you know,
with him and Patrick being on the same page, it
gives him the freedom to kind of add lib routes
and he's almost impossible to cover. You say, you know,

(28:14):
we're playing the Kansas City Chiefs. We got to take
away Travis Kelsey, we got to take the you know,
I guarantee you all week that's what the Chargers defense
was talking about, that's what they practice. And yet the
number one weapon on the Kansas City Chiefs went for
over one hundred and forty yards in the first half.
It's like, you know, just that's really a testament to
both Travis and Patrick and the chemistry that they have

(28:37):
and the ability that they have to add lib throughout
the course of the down and make things happen when
maybe the traditional play call wasn't.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
There.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Just an amazing day for him. And I'm not bothered
by it. I know a lot of people are like,
all right, enough with all the tailor stuff. I'm like, no,
let's say it goods Taylor Swift. What you want to
pam to just some fame and you know, up in
the up in the top deck and get their reaction,
like there's no way around this. I love the story.
I think it's awesome. And you know, now he's gonna

(29:10):
travel right for his bye week. He's going to South
America for her concert. Look, don't be haters. The Travis
and Taylor thing whatever they're calling it. What's the combo name?
I wanted to go with Swelsea, but I don't think
that's what everybody chose. But whatever it is, like, we're
not putting the toothpaste back in the tube on this one.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
The celebrity power is just too much.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
It is, and certainly my seven year old twin daughters
were excited to They don't ever sit down and watch
football with me, and today when they saw Taylor on
the screen, they sat down and watched. I had to
explain to them why she was at the game. So
they were all excited and definitely rooting for the Chiefs
today because they got to see Taylor Swift on the
on the TV. So more power to the NFL for

(29:54):
showing her no doubt.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
By the way, this is completely off subject, just but
just because of your time in the league, I want
you to tell me how something like this happens. Dolphins
have the ball for their first try, Eagles got a
field goal, as Martin said, So here comes the Dolphins
opening drive and they're fine. They had a nice completion
to Tyreek Hill there and they've got a first down,
just shy a midfield. But you work all week and

(30:20):
then you don't get the ball first. So you're just
sitting there kind of watching the game flow, and then
you go to commercial and then you come out and
here it is. It's Tua and Tyreek and Waddle and
Raheem and the rest of the gang, and everybody's already.
Here comes our opening drive against the Eagles. It's first

(30:40):
and ten. There go the flags delay a game. How
the hell does that happen?

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Like? How is that possible.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
You essentially had a week to get ready for this
play and you didn't snap the ball in time.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I don't understand well.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
And those eleven guys have known that that's the first
play since at least yesterday morning, Like at some point
yesterday morning, the Dolphins offense had a meeting and they
went over the openers the first fifteen. You know, every
offensive coordinator, every play caller has it in the NFL.

(31:20):
They have either their first ten or first fifteen plays
that they're gonna call. And certainly you don't go down
that list one through ten or one through fifteen, because
you know there are third downs, and you know, maybe
you have a play that's designed to be called on
the right HASH and you have the ball on the
left hash. But there is one certainty unless you're backed

(31:41):
up inside your own five yard line. You know, say
the Eagles get the ball first and they you know,
drive to about midfield and punt it and pin it deep,
or you get a turnover and you get the ball
on like the one yard line and you call a
goal line package play with heavy personnel everything else in between.
It's almost I would say ninety eight percent certain you're

(32:04):
going to run the play that you've especially a night game.
So they met about it yesterday morning. They walked through
it yesterday at their facility before they got on the
plane and flew to Philly. Then they got to the
hotel last night and they met about it again.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Then they woke up this.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Morning and either had a walk through or a meeting
at the hotel this morning. So four different times in
the last twenty four call it thirty hours since yesterday morning,
that play has been ready to go, and you go
out and you know, it's like having a delay game
or a false start on the first play.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
It's like, how does that happen? How?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
How right after four meetings did someone really look at
someone else and go, wait.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
What are we doing? God? Yeah, what was the play? Again?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Unbelievable But anyway, they were able to move the sticks,
but they were not able to move the sticks a
second time, and one of their big fellas, Isa win
with a little bit of an injury. He's walking off
right now, but the Dolphins are gonna have to kick
it back.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
To the Eagles trailing three to nothing.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
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Speaker 6 (33:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
DJ Collin needs to talk to Jalen Hurts because that
was another one. Of course, the fumble heard around the
world in the Super Bowl last year is going to
be felt a lot more than this one.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
But I mean, you you tell me, based on what
we're just watching. To me, that's a that's on him, man, that's.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
A lack of pocket awareness, the internal clock type of
a fumble that just set the Dolphins up with a
really short field.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, and I think that goes back, goes back to
exactly what we were talking about before last year.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Year.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
You know, that's almost a time where you see an
extremely confident Jalen Hurts either pull the ball down, take
off running, make something happen with his legs, or escape
the pocket and you know, give his receivers the opportunity
to add lip their routes and create an exposed to
play downfield. And it just looked like he wasn't sure,

(34:21):
you know, he wasn't confident in the pocket. He didn't
really know do I do? I pull it down and
take off running. He didn't escape the pocket and break
the pocket down to give his receivers a chance to
create the scramble drill and he does. It almost looks
more so of a lack of confidence back there, which
ultimately led to the fumble.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
It sets the Dolphins up now first in goal at
the six after a third down conversion to Jalen Waddle.
We will keep you up to date live at the
tyrat dot Com studios. Mark Willard, Kyle Rudolph Okay in
the AFC we were talking about I do think and
we'll see what the Dolphins do ton if they win
at Philly on Sunday Night Football and go to six

(35:03):
and one, people are gonna be hot on the Dolphins
as well. So for sure, let's put that in our
hip pocket as something that could change this conversation. But
because of what happened to the Bills, I do think
that and the Chargers, the fact that the Chiefs win
that one by double digits, it's gonna be a week
where people go ugh yaw huhm, this is the Chiefs

(35:26):
conference yet again. And I think there are some party
crashers here for me, Kyle little out of sight, out
of mind because they tucked it in against whatever opponent
on Thursday night. But I'm not gonna flick this one
off my shoulder as if it's nothing. What the Jacksonville

(35:49):
Jaguars have now done with four wins in a row,
sweeping London, beating the Buffalo Bills, handling the Colts the
way they did when they got back, and then turn
right around with an injured quarterback on the road at
a weird place to play against a good defense in
the New Orleans Saints and putting up over thirty points

(36:10):
and winning that football game. I am very impressed by
the Jacksonville Jaguars, and I think they're in this conversation.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, I think you have to put them in the
conversation as that competitor, you know, dark horse, whatever you
want to call them in the AFC. You know, we
talked a little bit about him last week as they
swept London, came home beat the Coles. It's say, okay,
you got a short week, your quarterbacks banged up. You know,
let's kind of see what these Jaguars are all about.

(36:37):
And you know, we talked about just the way the
team is made up. Obviously Trevor Lawrence playing at a
high level at the quarterback position did so last year
to get him to the playoffs, but then getting Travis
Etn in the backfield, having a dynamic run game to
go along with all of the pass catchers they have
in the receiver room, in the tight end room, and

(36:57):
then a defense that plays hard and gives you a
chance to win football games. I think that's what gives Jacksonville,
you know, certainly a leg up and a lot of
these other contenders in the AFC, but none so more
than the fact that you know, they're not really going
to have the AFC East beating up on each other,

(37:18):
the AFC North beating up on each other like you know,
again they're in that AFC South where it's kind of
just a bunch of OK teams. You know, they should
pull away with this division. But I think the last
eighteen nineteen days, you know, they won four games in
nineteen days. That's more than I think half of the

(37:39):
AFC have all year. So to go through that stretch
over the last three weeks, two in London back here
against the Colts at home, and then going on the
road on a short week and getting all four wins
is huge for the rest of their season and kind
of the momentum it can create after a little bit
of a reset, almost like a little bye week this

(38:00):
weekend to come back next week.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Dolphins went backwards after getting to the six yard line,
but a field goal is good from forty yards.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
The game is tied at three.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
And what did you want to say about the Baltimore
Ravens after what they pulled off today?

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Well, I think the Baltimore Ravens just have to be
another team that when we talk about, hey, who's up
there with the Kansas City Chiefs. Who can compete with
the Kansas City Chiefs come January? I think you have
to put the Baltimore Ravens in that category. We weren't
really sure what the NFC, or excuse me, what the
AFC North was going to look like early on. You know,

(38:38):
the first couple weeks they kind of all beat up
on each other. Cleveland beat Cincinnati, Pittsburgh sneaks a couple
wins in there, Cincinnati goes and gets a big win.
So it's like we didn't really know what the AFC
North was looking like. And yet I feel like here
we are, now seven weeks into the year, and you're

(38:58):
starting to see none more so than today with a
huge statement win against a team that you know, really
nobody hyped up more than we did.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
You know, the Lions.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
We felt like we're one of the better teams, not
just in the NFC, but in all of the NFL,
especially over the last calendar year. And you know, do
I think the Ravens are thirty five points or whatever
they won by today better than the Lions. No, But
I think when you watch that Ravens team play against

(39:30):
a really good Lions defense and what their defense did
to a really good Lions offense, it just shows you
the potential that they have and that style of play
will travel well into the football season, especially into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I think it's really well said. Yeah, the Lions, for me,
is still a very good team. This one made sense today.
I don't know if it made sense losing by this much.
And then I'd also like to introduce you to this
year's Minnesota Vikings with a massive negative point differential yet
a foeign two record. That would be the Pittsburgh Steelers
blown out by the Niners and the Texans. But they've

(40:06):
won four to one score games and they look exactly
like the Vikings did last year. Speaking of the Vikings,
their opponent tomorrow night has a little bit of controversy
on their way into town.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
That is coming up next.

Speaker 6 (40:18):
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Speaker 3 (40:30):
I wonder if I even have to ask.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
The Eagles are about to face a fourth and one
just across the Dolphins forty yard line.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
What do you think they're gonna do? Kyle? What are
you gonna do? Yep? Here comes the brotherly show.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
But a flag one up first, so we'll see how
they get that all figured out. But fourth and one,
like the Eagles have arrived at a spot where you
don't even need to discuss it on the sideline, though
I don't know that any football team ever does anymore.
It's like you lose your adult card or something if
you don't go forward on fourth and one. But here

(41:05):
we are, and while the officials are figuring it out,
the Eagles, if it's not against them, have converted yet
another fourth and one.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Yeah, it looks like they're converting this one as well
because the Dolphins player, I mean, I guess that's the
only way to try to stop it is line up
in the neutral zone and see if you can get
away with it. But I mean it's you know, it's
a good shot, I guess. But you know, we've talked
about this play almost at nauseum, especially with Philly. It's again,

(41:36):
it's the personnel. You know, Jason Kelsey, his ability to
use his leverage and strength with you know, all the
things that make him the best center in football also
apply really well to this play specifically. And then you
put a quarterback behind them who we've seen on Instagram
and social media squatting six hundred pounds and is extremely strong.

(41:58):
So I think they got five yards on that play
or whatever it was. He popped out the other side,
and it's never a doubt with Philly running it for sure.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Well, we're gonna get to see it again because both
teams lined up in the neutral zone, so nobody gets anything.
You got to do it again, and here comes the
same play and this time they convert again.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Instead of five yards.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
They only got three, and the Eagles drive will continue.
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(42:42):
Of course, it's a big one tomorrow night, though, I
got a question for you, and I'm already hearing the
debate start before it's even really started. I think it
hasn't started in any loud sort of a way because
we're not done with this Sunday's football. But when we
are and the Vikings and forty nine Ers take center

(43:03):
stage tomorrow, I do think this is going to be
a conversation that happens throughout the day, and the question
is should Christian McCaffrey play. Jay Glazer reported earlier today
that there is what he referred to as a very
slight tear in Christian's oblique. I am not a doctor.
I have no idea about anything when it comes to

(43:25):
this stuff, but I do know the way fans react
to the word tear. And the big three players for
the forty nine Ers who were question marks the other
two are not playing, so there's no Deebo Samuel, there's
no Trent Williams. The Niners are definitely coming in a
little shorthanded. Christian is expected to play. He said after

(43:47):
practice yesterday. I feel great, and there is this huge
drum beat from people going, why on earth would you
play him? You're already five and one. If you lose
the game, it's not like your season's over. You're actually
still in first place. You're doing great. Milons already lost today.

(44:09):
You may actually still be on the top of the
NFC heap even if you lose. Preserve him, let him
wait for a couple more weeks. The bye week is
two weeks away. I hear this from everyone. My response
is like, well, first of all, NFL teams don't play
that way. They don't assume, oh, it's not a very

(44:30):
good team might be able to beat him anyway, and
if we don't, whatever, Like that's just not the way
an NFL team thinks. Number one, But number two, what
I have an issue with is the idea that like
preserving Christian a few weeks guarantees you anything, you could
preserve him for two weeks and in the first play

(44:51):
that he.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Gets back, something else could snap. But like, that's just me.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Tell me what actually happens with a team when there's
this kind of a conversation.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Well, again, I think neither of us, I don't think.
I know neither of us are doctors, and I know
that neither of us are in that office looking at
the MRI making the decisions.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
You know, you hear the.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Word tear, and certainly the word tear gets used all
the time, and you know, you essentially can use the
term tear and strain interchangeable and they literally mean the
exact same thing. So someone could have a strained oblique
or a torn obleak a mild to a mild tear,

(45:40):
as Jay Glazer reported. You know, it's the same way
with hamstrings these It's something that I learned throughout the
course of my career. You know, you're dealing with injuries.
You hear guys talking about injuries. The term tear and
torn just seems so significant that you know, I get
it for Niners fans that Christian McCaffrey has a slight

(46:02):
tear in his oblique, Well, why would we ever go
put him in the game if he has a slight terear. Now,
I guarantee you if the report would have said he
has a slightly strained oblique, the narrative would have been, oh, well,
if it's not gonna get worse, like, yeah, everybody plays
with mildly strained muscles all the time. Like there wouldn't

(46:24):
have been as much reserve from fans worrying like, oh
my god, it's torn, like this is gonna get worse.
We need Christian down the stretch. Why would you not
just let him get healthy? And so I think somewhere
in the middle of tear and strain lies the reality
of what the injury actually is. And I am on

(46:45):
the side that, look, if this is something that if
he were to take a week or two off, it's
gonna go away. And as a back who's extremely explosive
and changes direction incredibly well, your oblique is involved in
every single one of those cuts.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
If you certainly want that to heal in October and
not be a limiting factor to where he's not practicing
late in the year, he's got to have some sort
of a limited role late in the year because he
has this nagging oblique injury that we could have addressed
and kind of nipped in the button October. Instead, we

(47:24):
let the player talk us in to know I'm fine.
I want to go out there and play, because from
a player's perspective, it doesn't matter what the injury is.
And let until you tell us no, we're not going.
We're going to try to go. It's just the wiring
of our mentality and the way we do things.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
So again, I think.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
It goes to what's the actual reality of the injury,
And personally, I would err on the side of Look,
we know when this guy is healthy and available in
our offense. I don't know that there's anyone in the
NFL that can beat us, So why would we take
that at risk? On October twenty third, on Monday Night

(48:03):
football against the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Well, although, what if there is no real quote unquote
risk outside of the inherent risk that's already there every
time that you put shoulder pads on and go play football.
Because there was a prior report back at the beginning
of the week that stated it is the type of
injury that you quote unquote can't make worse. Now I

(48:27):
don't even know exactly what that means. Like in football,
everything can be made worse. But in theory, if aggravating
it does not necessarily mean the idea of like turning
it into a long term injury by playing. You tell me,
I don't know what the line is.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
I know that that.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Usually in sports, we know everybody's tough, and like you said,
everybody wants to play, and you're playing hurt all the time.
I know that by the end of an nflc and
the injury rate is one hundred percent, I totally get that.
So isn't there something fair to say that is gosh, like,

(49:12):
I don't know. Let's let's trust the smart people who
are looking at the MRIs to not put people in danger.
If they could go out there and one hit is
going to turn this into a season ending injury, I
don't think this is that.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
No, But certainly, again I'm not a doctor. I'm just
someone who played football for a long time and had
a lot of injuries, and I would say I'm smarter
than just the average person in terms of injuries. But
certainly a strained oblique or a mildly torn oblique is
something that can get worse, especially for our runner. You know,

(49:49):
if we were talking about, you know, maybe a position
that didn't require as much torque and turn and you know,
explosiveness out of their body as Christian does, and the
way Christian plays and the impact that he has on
the game. Yeah, I might say, Okay, you could probably
protect that guy, and you know, you can go out

(50:10):
there at seventy five eighty percent and be cognizant of
the injury and not make it worse that player at
that position.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Is not the case.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
But you know, like I said, it could be something
that's just a mild strain, and you know it's I
just I have a hard time believing that because he
did not come back in the game last year, last week.
And if it was something that was so mild that
never bothers you during the game, it's usually something that
you wake up on Monday morning and you're like, oh, man,

(50:41):
like where did that come from? Because during the game,
when you're adrenaline's flowing and you're in the heat of battle,
that mild strain or mild tear isn't something that would
usually limit you from coming back in the game. Ultimately,
it's something that you go in the next day and
you go, hey, this this does not feel right.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
What's going on? You get the MRI and then you
see it.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
I wonder to what level.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Then there is the possibility that this is a big.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Huge smoke screen.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
They've let you know the debos out, They've essentially let
you know that Trent Williams is out, but Christian McCaffrey
is a massive game plan changer. So maybe it's oh, yeah,
we're gonna play him, We're gonna play him, and then
you get to about three o'clock tomorrow afternoon and it's like, no, no,
Christian McCaffrey's not playing.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
This could be that.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Yeah, I mean, it could be all the way up
to ninety minutes before kickoff when the inactives are announced,
that you see that, oh well, Christian is gonna go
out there and he's gonna play, and it's just a
mild tear. Who knows, but just for me, I think
it's something that we've talked about every time we've talked
about the forty nine Ers Week one through four. The

(51:56):
forty nine Ers are one of, if not the best
team in football with a healthy, dynamic Christian McCaffrey, and
certainly you've mentioned it a couple of times, mark that
the fact a guy can get hurt on any play
and you know to say, oh, we want to get
him healthy, well the first play back. Once he gets healthy,

(52:18):
he could go down with an injury. That's the nature
of our game, you understand it. But there also is
the point of, look, this is something that we can
let heal or at least improve before we put you
back out there and ultimately put you at more risk
because Okay, maybe you can't make that oblique much worse,
but maybe you're going to run the ball differently or

(52:39):
put yourself at ricks for getting injured at some other
part of your body because you're favoring that oblique. That
doesn't allow you to be the player that you were
prior to the initial injury.

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(53:11):
and Dolphins. Philly has gone in with a Dallas Goddard
tight ends day touchdown and they lead this one ten
to three right now, another team at the top of
the heap in the NFC. We talked about what this
means on the good side for Baltimore, what does it
mean on the bad side for Detroit, and also coming
up next, the team that might have figured out the

(53:33):
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Speaker 3 (54:31):
I don't know how to describe certain losses.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
I don't know if you want to call them a
schedule loss a situational loss. I look at what the
Detroit Lions experienced today and I think to myself, Yeah,
that one just made sense. Like certain losses Buffalo Bills

(54:55):
today would say to me there's a concern their losses,
even if it's in blowout fashion, I'm like, blow it off,
move on to the next.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Nothing to see here.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
And I think that that's what this is with the
Baltimore Ravens and the Detroit Lions, this situation, this time
of year, this particular opponent. I'm sure there's some things
that they put on film that other teams now gonna
are gonna come after them with. But I'm also looking
at their division and it just does not feel like

(55:28):
there's even a threat to them in that division. And
so to me, the Detroit Lions are hosting a playoff
game this year, and I feel very confident in saying
that already, and I don't think that today's loss puts
them out of the top heap of the NFC.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Yeah, I would agree with you something you mentioned before
that it's more about the Baltimore Ravens and giving them
credit for the win as opposed to if you're the
Detroit Lions or a Detroit Lion fan, or someone like
you and I who've said that, hey, this Detroit Lions
team is for real to cause concern, there are times,

(56:13):
you know, we know how this Detroit Lions team is
built and what they have to do to win games.
When you're down fourteen nothing in the first quarter, twenty
eight nothing in the first half, Jared Goff has to
throw at fifty three times. That's not what makes this
Detroit Lions team successful. You know, certainly David Montgomery being

(56:35):
banged up, him being out. This is a team that
loves to run the football, get downhill. They embody the
mentality of their head coach and Dan Campbell. When you're
down fourteen nothing in the first quarter, it's all out
the window. Like everything that you thought you wanted to
do going into Baltimore, knowing that, hey, we're playing against

(56:58):
a good physical defense. We need to be physical as well.
We got to establish the run game.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
You can't. You don't have time for that anymore. Now.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
It's drop back pass after drop back pass, and ultimately
that can make things get worse and worse, and it
can also make things look worse than they are on
the scoreboard, and I think that's what you saw today
in a thirty eight to six win for the Ravens.
But you know, I do we gave the Ravens their

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flowers already on the show talking about AFC teams. I
think they deserve the credit and respect to be talked
about as one of the real contenders in the AFC.
And I would agree that I still see this Detroit
Lions team hosting a home playoff game at Ford Field
in January.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah, I mean, I look at the landscape in the NFC.
I do think that the Eagles and the forty nine
ers are still the two best teams.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
But it's funny if you looked at each one of them.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
In and said, what is your biggest challenger with regard
to going after home field advantage? I actually think it
might be the Lions. I mean, we've talked about the
schedule that the Eagles have coming up, and this is
the start of it tonight, and they're handling it very well.
They just went up seventeen to three. Jalen Hurts hit

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AJ Brown on a nice pass, got down inside the
one yard line and it was all brotherly shoved from there.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
So this is the start of it.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
But just again because we've talked about it a lot,
to go through what the Eagles have over the next
seven or eight weeks of their season. This game tonight
against Miami, let's say they come out victorious and they're
six and one, But then it's go to Washington, then
host Dallas, and then following the buy at Arrowhead home
to Buffalo, home to the forty nine ers at Dallas

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at Seattle. Such a gauntlet, and so I just figured
there are some losses in there for the Eagle. And
we'll see now what happens with the forty nine ers,
who are clearly hampered by some major injuries and an
interesting stretch of their schedule as well. They've got the
Bengals coming off of a bye next week at home.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
We'll see what they do tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
But the Lions are gonna take this one, and I
have zero doubt they are going to They're gonna bounce
right back and be a factor. They feel to me,
Kyle like a thirteen and four football team. You've talked
a lot about, even going back to last year second
half of last year when they only lost twice, they've

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only lost twice, you know, this year, and they've got
the Raiders and then and then a bye at a
bunch of division games with the Bears and the Packers
and the Broncos and all these things coming up. And
I just don't see a lot of losses on the
Lions schedule the rest of the way.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
No.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
I you mentioned some of the upcoming games that they
have have and you know on paper, which we all know.
This league is not played on paper. And each week
is his own thing, and this is what we do
in the media, and now it's it's fun for me
as a former player to get to do this because
I was I never did this as a player. You like,
all right, we got beat by Baltimore in Baltimore this week.

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Now we you know, we got the Raiders at home,
and that's all you focused on. That's all you cared about.
We're playing the Raiders on Monday night football at home.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
That's the sole focus.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
But for us from the outside looking in, you look
at their next eight games, Raiders, Chargers, Bears, Packers, Saints, Bears, Broncos, Vikings.
Who scares you there, I mean, no one. So then
they have Dallas Minnesota the last two games.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
So I think if I'm if my maths are me correctly,
they have one team with a winning record the rest
of the way, and that's the Dallas Cowboys, Raiders. Yeah, Raiders, Chargers, Bears, Packers, Saints, Bears, Broncos, Vikings.
So you know, certainly Detroit has on paper one of

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the easiest schedules. And you talked about San frans star
players being banged up, and we've talked about this next
eight game stretch for Philly and what that means for them,
so you know, it'll I'm curious to see how this
Lions team bounces back. This certainly is a Lions team

(01:01:38):
that we feel like has established an identity over the
last couple of years. But this is not something that
we've seen from them. They've been competitive in every game
that they've played, even the games they've lost the last
couple of years. So curious to see how they bounce back.
I have an inclination on how they'll bounce back this
week with the Monday night game at home against the Raiders,

(01:02:02):
but looking forward to seeing that next week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
All Right, a little bit more about the team that
has figured out how to look like they've got it
all going in one direction, and they're trying their butts off,
yet they are perfectly aligning in the Caleb Williams Derby
if you want to call it that, because he's had
a rough few weeks. But I'll tell you about that
here coming up. Plus an injury to Jalen Waddle that

(01:02:27):
has taken him at least momentarily out of Sunday Night Football.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
More on all of that as we find out what's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Trending, and bringing in Martin Weiss here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Hey, Martin, what do we got, hey, Mark?

Speaker 7 (01:02:38):
That's right, Jayleen Waddle questionable to return to this game.
Fletcher Cox right now getting looked at. He walked to
the sidelines. The Eagles lead the Dolphin seventeen to three.
Dallas Goddard with the receiving touchdown, Jalen Hurts with a
brotherly shove rushing touchdown for the touchdowns in that matchup
against seventeen to three, approaching the two minute warning in
the second quarter. In baseball, ALCS Game six is underway.

(01:03:00):
It's in the bottom of the fifth inning, three to
one lead for the Texas Rangers. Astros of course, up
three to two in the series. Franbrval des Verus Nathan
Valdi and in the NFL earlier today, Jordan Loft to
a late interception at crush. The Packers come back attempt
against the Denver Broncos. Who I think that's the team
you're talking about. Mark trying real hard and still lining
up for Kayleb Williams. I'll see that just a second.
But they they beat the Packers nineteen to seventeen. The

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Chiefs beat the Chargers thirty one to seventeen. Travis Kelcey
twelve catches, one hundred ninety seven yards and a touchdown there.
Rookies Jackson Smith and Jigba and Jake Bobbo both had
their first career touchdowns today as the Seahawks beat the
Cardinals twenty to ten. Brad Mahera missed two field goals
and an extra point for the Rams. This is his
third game this season missing multiple field goals. The Steelers

(01:03:43):
victorious in so far, twenty four to seventeen. Bears beat
the Raiders thirty to twelve. Lamar Jackson twenty one for
twenty seven three fifty seven through the year, thirty six rushing,
three passing touchdowns, one rushing touchdown, Ravens beat the Lions
thirty eight to six. Backup cornerback turned starter Gardner Minshew
had an interception in three loss fumbles as the Browns

(01:04:04):
beat the Colts thirty nine to thirty eight. Bill Belichick
his third most winning coach in NFL history. He got
his three hundredth career win today as the Patriots upset
the Bills twenty nine to twenty five. And I told
you what Magic Johnson had to say about the Commander's
loss again, just it all reminds you. Disappointing fourteen to
seven loss from my Commanders to the New York Giants.

(01:04:24):
It's hard to win in the NFL when you only
score seven points. Well, same team, But Jonathan Allen had
a little bit more to say.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
What's the evaluation like after a loss like that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Hey, plain and simple, gotta be better.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Anything they did that surprised you guys early on?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
No, I want to say so.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
I think it's just a lack of focus on our
part of lack oftention to detail, not starting fast and
creating holes that are too big for us to overcome
in the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Does it get frustrating?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
It tired? What can you do now?

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Going forward to get it turned around.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Get our minds right, get ready to play for Philadelphia.

Speaker 7 (01:05:02):
So I think the answer to does this good frustrating?
Is yes, it does get frustrating. And to wrap out
the NFL action today, the Falcons walked off the Buccaneers
Young WACU with the game when you field goal, Falcons
in first place in the NFC South sixteen to thirteen
the final there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
All right, Mark and Kyle back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Good stuff. Mark, that was a very long beep. There
was a very very long beep coming from Jonathan Allen. Hey, Kyle,
I know how that's going to be translated. I don't
know if he means it this way, but when you
lose a game fourteen to seven and a defensive player
goes offenses, I'm tired of this bleep.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
I've been here for years. I'm tired of this bleep.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Look, this team's been looking for solid offense and quarterback
play ever since they moved on from Kirk Cousins. That's
just the reality of the situation in Washington. It is
going to be translated as if he is taught talking
about the offense.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
What do you think was going on there? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
I mean he's certainly not talking about the defense who
only gave up fourteen points and still gave their team
a chance to win. But you know, it's one of
those things like you you love to see the passion
and you know, kind of the frustration, the worst thing

(01:06:26):
that could that you would want out of a player
after a game as oh, well, you know it is
what it is, like, we'll get it fixed, we'll move on.
So you know, you kind of take it with a
grain of salt. You understand where he's coming from. Certainly,
it's no secret in that building that the offense needs
to play a lot better and score a lot more points.

(01:06:49):
But it is one of those things where you know,
you look at that and say, okay, well we only
gave up fourteen points, we turned the ball over, we
gave our team chance. You don't necessarily want to start
creating that division in a locker room, you know, with
a team that's three and four.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
We're live int tyrack dot Com Studios along with Kyle Rudolph.
I'm Mark Willard Fox Sports Radio on Sunday Night, looking
at all of the teams, all of the games, and
Martin I get where he's coming from.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
He thinks I'm talking about the Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
I'm actually not and the reason is I don't think
that the Denver Broncos. I don't think they can realistically
move on and grab a new quarterback next year for
two reasons. The obvious one is Russell Wilson's contract. And
you'll say, oh, hey, you can always get out of

(01:07:45):
a contract to a degree depending on what you want
to pay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
That that's true. But I also think you got a
hard time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
You just poured a bunch of money into Sean Payton
after dumping a head coach after only one year, and
I have to think that Peyton. Peyton's pitch had to be, oh,
I can do this, I can fix Russell Wilson. I
can get this offense going in the right direction. I
think it's a real hard sell to change everything up

(01:08:17):
after only one year of this particular staff. It just
would have the look of doing it every single year.
So that's my thought on Denver. I'm actually pointing to
the Arizona Cardinals, and yeah, they absolutely have a financial
issue at the quarterback position as well, but they've opened

(01:08:40):
a window for Kyler Murray twenty one days to see
if they can get him back on the field, and
I wonder, Kyle. My spin on this is that they
open the window now because they're probably not going to
put him back on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
They open this rather early.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
And Josh Dobbs is kind of a nice story, like
he does some OK things on a football field, And
it looks like the Cardinals can go out there and
function and do just enough to lose almost all of the.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Games in a non embarrassing sort of a way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
You've got a first year coach there who's coming in
who would love to maybe get his own people on
the offensive side of the ball. They're one and six.
The only record that's worse is the Panthers. We know
they're not drafted a new QB right now. My money's
on Caleb Williams in a Cardinals jersey next year.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Yeah, And I think I don't know if you saw
it today or not, but Adam Schefter tweeted about and
posted on his social media about that window being open
and kind of he dove into it a little more
with the logistics of the Kyler Murray situation and do
they really want Kyler Murray to come back against the Browns, Ravens, Niners, Steelers, Eagles,

(01:10:03):
you know, five out of his last six games of
the year. Also diving into the fact of if he
can't pass his physical in March, what that means for
his contract and the thirty million dollars that would become
fully guaranteed on his contract. So again, I think it
shines a little light into the business side of football,

(01:10:27):
the chest not checkers, if you would, and what this
means for the Arizona Cardinals, the future of the Arizona
Cardinals and an organization that just went through a complete
overhaul GM head coach, coordinators, they're all new people in
that building. Certainly, you would assume in a draft where

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we have one of the most highly touted prospects in
a long time, they would want a shot at getting
that guy and getting to choose who they want to
be their franchise quarterback, not somebody that they inherited with
a huge contract.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
I will say, though, just real quick, I mean, I
don't think that these things are completely a done deal.
When you have a prospect like Caleb Williams, it's almost
impossible to imagine him not being the number one overall pick.
But if you're gonna imagine it, now's the time to
imagine it, because the last two weeks have.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Been a blemish. There's no two ways about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
To see what he's done in the last couple of
weeks for SC football, tons of picks a week ago,
and then yesterday you're going up against the best defense
in the conference. You lose that one as well, and
it's starting to look like a guy who has all
the stats he does because he builds him up against

(01:11:48):
some of the bad defenses, because it's pretty pedestrian against
the good defenses.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Because there aren't that many of them in college football.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
No, there's really not. And you know, certainly you would
like to see Caleb Williams perform better in those bigger
games against the better defenses. But also I think you
kind of look at the overall body of work and personally,
I think it would be really hard to even two
three high ver many times you want to go and

(01:12:16):
really analyze the tape and be like, oh, well, I
wish you would have played better in this moment or
that moment. When you look at a former Heisman Trophy
winner and what he did even as a true freshman
at Oklahoma and then the multiple years starting at USC,
I think he still is that clear cut number one
overall pick. I'll dive a little further into it, even
than just his play on the field. One of the

(01:12:38):
things that worries me about a guy in the locker
room is, you know, just his mentality coming into the
league and some of the things that we're starting to
hear off the field. I only want to play for
these teams. I'll go back to school. I can make
more money. I have that power. If I am drafted
by a team number one overall, I would like ownership

(01:12:59):
in the team. It's like, come on, you know, just
like the Bengals. The Bengals, who are one of the
most cash poor teams in NFL history, didn't give their
proven NFL quarterback any ownership. And the Jets didn't give
Aaron Rodgers, who's one of the all time greats. Patrick
Mahomes didn't get it from Kansas City. It's like, we

(01:13:19):
have all these guys who are proven first ballot Hall
of Fame quarterbacks that haven't gotten that request, haven't made
that request. And you're a guy who's coming into the
NFL has never played it down of football in the NFL,
and now your play in college football is starting to
reflect this mentality of worrying more about gaining equity in

(01:13:42):
an NFL team or picking the team that you want
to go to, instead of just worrying about winning games
for your team right now in college.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
YEP reminds me of another situation that I was privy
to same position, very very early draft pick, and he's
no longer in the league. I'll share with you who
we're talking about. Coming up next, touchdown for Tyreek Hill.
The Dolphins are sticking in this one good game, living

(01:14:12):
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(01:14:34):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Plus, you know, I think your point that you just
made about.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Caleb Williams is a really really good one. We live
in an age of player empowerment, and Kyle, that is
a good thing, There's no two ways about it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
That's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
I support players getting everything they can, the idea of
hometown discounts and you know, all the stuff that we
asked players to do a bunch of junk, to be
honest with you, But there is one exception, and that
is cart before Horse. So, like what you just pointed out,

(01:15:24):
to talk this way, and I know he's not doing
all of it publicly, but there is now starting to
be a drum beat of Caleb Williams and who he
feels he is as he gets ready to be the
number one pick in the draft without ever having played
a down in the NFL. I think you have to
be very very careful. I'm not going to put names

(01:15:48):
out there, but I will tell you this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
There was an agent who came.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
On my show at a Super Bowl, ah, you know,
ten fifteen years ago something like that, I don't remember
exactly when, and off air he kind of shared with
me he said, I got a client who is cart
before Horse. I got a client who has not even
been drafted yet, and he can't stop talking about endorsements.

(01:16:16):
And he also seems pretty interested in getting into parties
and nightlife and all of that, and so he said,
I'm trying to steer him the best I can in
the direction of just go play really good football, and
then that other stuff is all going to take care

(01:16:40):
of itself. That player had an okay NFL career shorter
than he probably wanted it to be, not in the
league anymore, and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
I do believe that that that was a part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
You know, the focus was not on, hey, go play
amazing football and then the rest of this stuff is
all going to take care of itself. The timing of
Caleb Williams having this news come out about ownership or
I don't want to go there or I don't want
to go over here when he has two bad games

(01:17:18):
in a row couldn't be worse. Because I know even
the fraternal nature of the NFL, even the players, will
not like that whatever locker room he's joining coming up
next year.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
And I think that's the biggest thing, And that's kind
of the main reason I wanted to make this point
is like, look, when you come into the league, whether
you're the first pick or the last pick or an
undrafted free agent, your job especially as especially as the quarterback,
your job is to gain the respect of that locker room,

(01:17:56):
and the easiest way to piss every one off in
that locker room and lose the respect of the veteran
players in that locker room is to make those crazy
requests and to act the way that you know, again,
it's not him, it's everything has been reported by representatives,

(01:18:18):
and you know, honestly, there are times where I feel
bad for these twenty one year old kids.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
We have no idea. He could just be, you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Know, playing football and trying to go win games at
USC and he has people representing him who are making
these outlandish requests. We don't know that. I highly doubt
that's the case, but you know, it is this thing
where other people are now speaking for you, and that
becomes your reputation. And when you step foot in that
locker room, guys are gonna want to be like, yo,

(01:18:48):
we're gonna got to check that at the door. You know,
you're here to try to turn this around. If you
were the number one overall pick, you're here for a reason.
It's your job now you're the face of this franchise
to turn this around. And you know you're gonna need
that entire locker room to rally behind you and you know,

(01:19:10):
that's where I think you've seen these guys who have
been first overall picks your Trevor, Lawrence's, your Tuas that
went five, You're Justin Herbert's guys that have really changed
the trajectory of the franchise.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
They just come in, they go to work, and then
guys rally behind them, and that's where you see these
franchises turn.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
I'm glad that you brought Justin Herbert's name up. We
need to have a conversation about him and about his coach,
because that's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
A rule on this show.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
As you know, he has been much discussed on the
show and today will be absolutely no different. But then
also we got to get to this coming up next.
It was somewhat of a surprise signing. I guess it
wasn't when it happened, but nobody knew that it did,
and finally today it came out and it changes what

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many people have been saying.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
So we got to get to that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Well, the game is back on here in the second half,
but Jalen Waddle is not.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
He continues to sit out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
We'll track that one for you as the Dolphins go
on their opening drive in the second half, trailing the
Philadelphia Eagles seventeen to ten in a prime time matchup.
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You said that talking this stuff out and sometimes building
narratives that aren't even there is something that happens in

(01:21:06):
media all the time. And you're enjoying now being on
this side and being able to be involved in some
of this conversation because you couldn't before. Now this didn't
happen on this show, and I'm happy about that because
there's a narrative that got built in recent weeks that

(01:21:28):
could not have been more off base. I've said it
before on shows. I don't like using the microphones that
we have to talk about the job status of others,
or a better way to say it, to call for others' jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
I think it's just bad form. It's not my decision.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Yes, there are times when it's obvious when something is
really detracting against a team, but without being on the inside,
I figure that's usually something that while we can talk about,
I'm not going to come after it hard. This was
one of those situations, and it turned out that whoever
spoke on this had egg all over their face. I

(01:22:15):
cannot tell you how many times I've heard in the
last three weeks that Bill Belichick is on the hot seat.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
That's right, the goat is on the hot seat. Little
did everyone know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
He had already signed a contract extension that happened before
the year even started. So this guy's fresh off of
an extension. Nobody knows about it, and everyone's going I
bet the Patriots and Robert Kraft are getting pretty impatient.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Well, no they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
It's a good day to talk about it because he
went out there and he upset the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
Yeah, and we all find out that he signed a
contract extension and he ultimately will not be going anywhere
as the New England Patriots head coach. But you know,
I do think you know they're times and watch his
press conference after the game. He gets asked about his
three hundredth win, and you know, he could care less
the fact that he just became the third coach ever

(01:23:10):
to win three hundred games. You can see it in
his reaction as an emotion in his face. He's just
trying to figure this out. You know, he's really grinding
more than ever at a place where all they ever
have known and all they've ever done is go to work,
you know, kind of do things the hard way, get through,

(01:23:31):
create chaos, and they don't beat themselves on Sunday. So
you know, for him to be dealing with what he's
dealing with now and this year, you know, of course
everybody in the outside, you know, we've joked about it,
is he playing chess when we think we're watching checkers?
You know, to get in this quarterback market where we
feel like New England's a team that doesn't really know

(01:23:53):
what the future of the quarterback position holds at that organization,
and you ultimately have a good quarterback draft this year
with a couple really good ones that could potentially change
the trajectory of your franchise. We don't know, but I
think today when you watch his press conference after a
win against a team that I've beaten him four times
in a row, including a playoff game, and he literally

(01:24:17):
could care less. He just talked about we're trying to
figure this out, like I'm working on this team this
year and we're trying to figure out how we can
win games.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Yeah. I tell you what, there is one sort of quirk.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
And maybe you put it aside because it's Bill Belichick
and all of the history he has, but I do
think it's a good thing for him that he is
a quote unquote defensive head coach. Maybe it's been so
many years that that doesn't matter anymore, but if you
do look at the trail of what's happening offensively, which

(01:24:54):
is offensive coordinators last year who aren't offensive coordinators. Even
look at what his tree in Josh McDaniels now doing
in Las Vegas, where he is already very much feeling
the heat.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
With what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
That offense cannot get to twenty points, literally cannot get
over twenty points.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
They have not done it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
All year long, except for when the defense helps them
get there by scoring.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
So you look at.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
All of that and even the evaluation that led them
to mac Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
Today was a solid enough day for mac Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
But by and large, I don't think many people are
hitching the Patriots future to his wagon anymore. And so
when you look at all of those things, I do
think it's good that Bills a defensive guy or else
this would feel different with regard to assessing where the
Patriots are at.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Yeah, but I also think, you know, I having watched
Bill Belichick coach for the last two decades and the
success that he's had and the defenses that he's had,
you know, I'm sure whether he's a defensive minded coach
and offensive minded head coach, you know he had. There's
really been nothing for New England to hang their hat

(01:26:10):
on so far this year up until today, where you know,
they played some good football. They turned the Bills over.
Mac did look a lot better, way more efficient, making
big throws. Certainly the drive at the end of the
game to set up the game winning touchdown. I think

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those are things to where if you start seeing glimpses
of that, you go Okay, now we're seeing signs of
the guy we thought drafted, the guy we saw his
rookie year. You know, we we've given him the free
pass because of the situation he was placed in last year.
And now it's we're seven games into the season. We

(01:26:54):
feel like we haven't seen any sort of rebound off
of that tough year last year year. And I think
today was kind of the first day that you saw
some signs of life from Mac Jones in this offense.
And you know, again, at times, I do say it's
unfair to to put all of this on Mac Jones.
And you know, the way they've kind of built this

(01:27:15):
New England offense, you know, in my opinion, probably one
of the least talented wide receiver rooms in the NFL.
You know what's what's a really easy way to make
a quarterback look bad by not having any weapons around
him would be probably number one and the easiest way
to make him struggle. So, you know, again, who knows,

(01:27:37):
maybe maybe Bill's still doctoring this up to revamp this
team in the offseason and make another run at it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Yeah, I do wonder, I do wonder where this is
all going for the New England Pages because you're right.
I mean, you look at that offensive roster. Ramandre Stevenson
had a nice enough day. I know that there's no
value with Ezekiel Elliott, but that receiving core that you're
talking about, Kendrick Bourne and Jalen Rager.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
And DeVante Parker.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
I'm not trying to come down the road of any
of those players. They've all proven themselves as NFL receivers.
But I just it is a group right now that
lacks an identity at such an intense level, they do
not feel close. And so, yes, they got a nice

(01:28:31):
win today. It gets him to two and five. I
still think we know where this season is going. It's
a losing record. It might even be last place in
that division. And so it's a nice day for Bill
and he got a contract extension. I don't think Bill's
the problem. It doesn't mean there aren't a ton of problems.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
No, but talking about coach Belichick and his ability as
a coach and then changing gears and talking about this offense,
you know, at what point do you think, Okay, he's
got the contract extension as a head coach, but that
does that mean he's just going to be a head coach?
In the future, do they start to introduce maybe a
GM here at some point to come in and try

(01:29:14):
to rebuild this team, because for twenty years they had
the ultimate eraser at the quarterback position, and if they
didn't have a roster that was as talented as maybe
other teams in the AFC or across the AFC in general.
You have the greatest quarterback of all time, and he
can make up for that he makes others around him better.

(01:29:36):
And now without Tom Brady at the quarterback position, you're
seeing the lack of talent around the quarterback because you
don't have the greatest quarterback of all time elevating the
play of these offensive skill players around him. So certainly
it'll be interesting as they move forward. One thing we
do know, Coach Belichick's not going anywhere, as he just

(01:29:59):
signed the contract extension.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Exactly now, while we're talking quarterbacks, we got to start
priving this discussion up and having it because we started
our show talking about Josh Allen. And while I think
he's a wonderful player, there's no way around that. It's
obvious anyone with two eyes. But I do think he
gets placed on a pedestal next to Patrick mahomes a

(01:30:23):
lot that you know, like, that's not the way we
do sports. It's not to say that he's not a
wonderful player, but he has not achieved the things that
Patrick has and his team has. I think, I don't
know if underachieved is the right word. It is this
year sitting at four and three and you kind of
made the point, it's like the team has become too
Josh Allen focused to where it's just like, hey, Josh,

(01:30:46):
can you bail us out on the daily? And if
you can, we win, and if you can't, we might not. Well,
there is a mini version of Josh Allen also in
the league, who I think is suffering from some of
the same stuff at an even higher level because his
organizational structure doesn't offer him what Josh gets in Buffalo.

(01:31:11):
So we will get to that conversation coming up next.
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(01:31:40):
I want to get to a conversation about Justin Herbert.
That's the man I'm referring to in what we were
talking about a second ago. But I'm gonna put it
aside for just a minute or two and ask you,
have you heard about this? Talk about the Golden Challenge?
Have you heard about this? I am not okay, the

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Golden Challenge.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Here's the idea.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
The idea would be that we all know in the
NFL what is and what is not reviewable. We also
know that you have a certain number of challenges and
when you're out of them, and you've got timeout situations
attached to it and all that, you're out of luck.
But there's discussion about the Golden Challenge, and I think

(01:32:29):
it's one of the best ideas I've heard of in
a long time. And the idea is basically, the Golden
Challenge skips out on all the rules. The Golden Challenge
can be anything, anything.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
You want it to be.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
For that one play, all of the rules are out
the window. The coach says, it's Golden Challenge time, and
the officials have got to go review a play and
call based on exactly what they see, no matter what
the call is. Hold pass interference, fumble recovery, did the

(01:33:10):
whistle blow?

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
Throw it all out the.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Window, golden challenge. You can challenge anything you want one time,
and obviously you would hold it for moments that are incredibly,
incredibly instrumental in the outcome of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
What do you think.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
There's part of me that likes it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
There's part of me that wants to get these calls
right that are ultimately causing teams football games. I think
we saw a few of those today. Unfortunately, we've talked
about this before where it's getting worse and worse, and
I don't know that it's necessarily the fact that NFL

(01:33:58):
officiating is getting worse and worse. Although I have my
issues with NFL officiating, I don't necessarily think it's the
performance of NFL officials as opposed to the camera angles
and the technology that we have as viewers, and these
human beings are watching something at full speed in person

(01:34:20):
and making a decision. So you know, we've talked about
that that when we sit at home on our couch
and we get to watch it five times at slow mo,
you go, how do you miss that? Like we saw
it plain as day. Well, they have a split second
to make the decision, and it's not always as easy

(01:34:40):
as it looks when you get to break it down
with multiple angles and slow mo YadA, YadA YadA. So
part of me loves the fact of getting every call right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
Again, it comes down to why why doesn't just expedited
re plays handled this. That's something that I mentioned last
time we talked about this issue of officiating that whether
it's because it has to be blatant, that's the whole
point of replay is it's clear, conclusive evidence that that

(01:35:19):
call was wrong and it should have been called this.
So if we're talking about penalties and incorporating penalties into
that and these decisions that reps are making, or if
there's an awful spot on fourth and one and it's
just outside the two men and that team doesn't have
any more timeouts so they can't challenge the spot, then

(01:35:42):
ultimately expedited we saw the first replay in the Rams
Steelers game and realize that that is an awful spot.
There's no way that's a first down, but yet it
never got reviewed because the Rams didn't have any timeouts left,
wasn't under the two minute, it was up to the

(01:36:02):
two minute, and then ultimately the two minute warning happened.
They can't go back and review the play, and so
we don't ever look at it. The call is not
correct and the Rams lose the game. Who know, if
they would have got the ball back, they would have
gone down and scored.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
We don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
But then also, the other game that comes to mind
for me today is Indi and Cleveland back to back.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
One.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
I'm okay with the other awful call, But here's my
biggest issue with NFL officiating in every industry all across
the world, and especially professional sports. If we're not good

(01:36:47):
at our jobs on a consistent basis, we have repercussions
for those mistakes or inability that we don't have either. Hey,
I'm not as good at football anymore, so I don't
get to play anymore, or I don't get to play
as much as I would if I'm better than that guy.

(01:37:10):
In the NFL officiating world, it's the same guys every
week on the same cruise, and there's no there's no repercussions.
For now, I'm just not to say bad calls for
poor performance, because poor performance is what leads to bad calls.

(01:37:30):
So ultimately it's I feel for them and the fact
that we as viewers get to see it all slow motion,
instant replay. But every single one of these officials are
graded just like we're graded as players. But for us
as players, if we're graded poorly, we're replaced. We don't

(01:37:51):
play as much the next week or the next season.
You're not on the team because they release you because
you didn't grade out as well as maybe some of
the other tight ends that they have available. So that's
always been my biggest issue with all sports professional sports
officiating across NBA, Major League Baseball, NFL. It drives me

(01:38:17):
nuts because yet we see the same guys calling the
same games year in and year out, and nothing's ever done.
It's just, oh, well, he missed that call, or you know,
he hasn't been as good an official as he maybe
was in the past, but we don't do anything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Well, they're protected, and I understand why to a degree,
but like I feel like protected at too high of
a level. There's no press conference afterwards, there's no questions
that you can ask, you can't get to them in
any way, shape or form.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
You can't question them.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
And oh, by the way, in your own press conference,
you're not allowed to refer to them.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
You're not allowed to plain about it. I can't stand that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
I don't know why we can't speak freely about what happened.
Like the reason I even brought this up is because
moments ago and the Miami Dolphins went forward on a
fourth and three the receiver Wilson, who tries to stop
for a back shoulder throw, his face mask is yanked

(01:39:23):
by the defensive player and there's no hold, there's no
pass interference. It's just missed. And that's fine, we miss things.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
But should Mike McDaniel be able to a use a
Golden challenge or should Mike McDaniel be able to after
the game. Now, it turns out Miami on the very
next play gets a pick six off of Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
The game is tied.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
So maybe it's, you know, let bygones be bygones. But
why are we so scared of Mike McDaniel after the game,
being like, look.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
It's fourth and three, we wanted to go for it.
We threw it back shoulder throw.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Our player got his face mask pulled and we didn't
get called, and so that kind of ruined the whole thing,
like why can't he say that? Why are we so
scared of that? For me, it's too much insulation, Kyle.

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
Instead, you turn in the plays that you watch on
Monday and you get the report from the NFL on
Wednesday or Thursday that says, yeah, we're sorry, we missed
that one that should have been called or this should
have been called, And it's like, okay, great, Like what
does that do now that you cost us a football game?

(01:40:37):
But we're glad that you guys went back and admitted
that you missed the call when everyone there knew it
was blatant and it was completely missed. So again, I
don't know if that's a golden challenge or expedited replay. Again,
that would have taken two seconds to call it whatever
you want to call it, defensive passage, you're in holding
face mask, pick one of the three, whatever you want

(01:40:59):
to call it. They get the first down, We move
on with the game. The call is correct because that official,
for I don't know what he was looking at, it's
that one was the one that you didn't need slow
motion and multiple camera angles you see him the defender
grab his face mask and pull him when he's trying
to go back and get the football. So no, I

(01:41:22):
completely agree with you. It drives me nuts that the
NFL officials are protected. And you know you as a coach,
as a player, you know, we can be talked about
and our performance, our poor performances can be highlighted after
a game, but yet officials are not allowed to be
It's just, oh well, it's the human element of the game.

(01:41:43):
And we'll move on to next week and we'll put
the same officials in the same positions who blew it
the week before.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Yeah, I mean, I know you have a good relationship
with Peter King and a couple of or I guess
a week ago Football Morning in America. His column ended
with I've watched the PJ. Walker play just before half
fifty times, and I cannot figure out how the official
who not only called it in real time, then reviewed

(01:42:13):
his own call and came out and said, that's not
a fumble, it's an incomplete pass. He goes, I've watched
it fifty times. I can't figure out how you came
to that conclusion.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
I'm thinking the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
But what I'm talking about tonight is why can't Kyle
Shanahan say that. Why can't he after the game be like, look, yeah,
we missed the kick, we committed too many penalties.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
Here's all the things we did wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
And oh, by the way, that was a fumble and
it probably also was one of five or six things
that helped cost us the game today.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
I mean, Mark, technically, he can if he's willing to
pay for it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Pay for it's not free.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
No be free.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
And you do see coaches from time to time they
know exact exactly what it's going to cost them when
they go up there to the podium and they just
fight out, can't take it anymore, and they say, this
cost us the game or would have been great to
get this call right, and they pay for it, which
is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Yeah, I'm in full agreement on that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Okay, let's get to the Herbert thing coming up in
a couple of minutes, Mark World, Kyle Rudolph. But let's
get Martin weis in here as well, and find out
what is trending on this Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
Mark ten.

Speaker 7 (01:43:32):
I'm sorry I have to take a second because Bill
Vinovich he gives me nightmares to this day after not
calling what was the worst non call in NFL history
when Nickel Roby Coleman took Tommy Lee Lewis's head off
in the playoffs and then you know what, I gotta
go watch the Rams score total of three points in
the Super Bowl. You can't tell me Drew Brees when
they gotten his second one. Come on, not to mention

(01:43:55):
maybe Kyle Rudolph pushing off of the endz on the
next year.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
And I'm just kidding, sorry, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
I'm just it's all good.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
They changed the rule for you guys, and they still
reviewed that catch, so I don't give you that one.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
No, I'm just playing man.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Congratulations, got to get that win.

Speaker 7 (01:44:08):
But you know, as a Saints fan, tore my heart out.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
All right, Let's get to the business.

Speaker 7 (01:44:12):
ALCS Underway Game six, Astros up three to two in
the series, but the Rangers up four to two in
the bottom of the eighth inning on one on one out
for the Astros right now. Sunday Night Football Eagles tied
with the Dolphins seventeen apiece. Like you guys just said,
a bad, bad, missed face mask call on Cedrick Wilson
and James Bradbury. But you know, football guys answered in

(01:44:34):
Jalen Hurst to an interception to Erron Baker on the
very next play, so that game is tied up seventeen
all one minute, fifteen seconds left in the third quarter.
Earlier today, Jordan Love threw a late interception that crushed
the Packers second and half comeback. Broncos hold on to
beat the Packers nineteen to seventeen. Chiefs beat the Chargers
thirty one to seventeen. Talking about tight ends, Travis Kelcey
twelve catches on hundred seventy nine yards and a touchdown.

(01:44:56):
Seahawks beat the Cardinals on the backs of rookie wide
receivers Jackson Smith and Jake Bobo, both with career first
touchdowns there twenty to ten.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
The final score.

Speaker 7 (01:45:05):
Stealers beat the Rams twenty four to seventeen, Bears beat
the Raiders thirty to twelve, The Ravens walked over the
Lions thirty eight to six, and Browns beat the Colts
thirty nine to eight. In the game, Deshaun Watch has
started clear to concussion evaluation, but did not finish. He
did not come back in the game after that PJ.
Walker finished the game out. Bill Belichick got his three
hundredth career win, making him the third winning its coach

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in NFL history. As the Patriots upset the Bills twenty
nine to twenty five, Giants beat the Commanders fourteen to seven,
and the Falcons walk off the Buccaneers sixteen to thirteen.
They are now in sole position in first place in
the NFC South. Kyle and Mark, back to you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Okay, Martin, great stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Appreciate you tonight so much, Mark, Willard, Kyle Rudolph Live
Ty IRAQ dot Com Studios. All right, justin Herbert, to me,
it's it's a mini Josh Allen situation at least because
he's not even won a playoff game.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
He took them there last time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
He had a huge lead at Jacksonville and then the
whole thing dissipated. And you and I have had already
in the short life of this show plenty oh conversation
around Brandon Staley. And I've always believed that everything that
goes on with the charge of organization is actually hampered
by the entire structure of that organization.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
It trickles down from the top.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
It has since the discussion of a handful of years
ago that led to relocation. There's just something about it.
Even though they have finally started to loosen the purse strings,
put a lot of money into this team. You see
on defense, Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Derwin James. It somehow

(01:46:51):
should be a better football team. But we're sitting here
talking about Justin Herbert in very similar ways that we
do Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and maybe even a little
bit of Patrick Mahomes. And like you and I have
talked about this, they're two and four, Kyle, They're like

(01:47:11):
a breath away from being Owen six.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
I mean a breath away from being Owen six.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Those picks at the goal line after their failed fourth
downs are the only reason they've got.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
Two wins this year.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
And we're still talking about this guy like he's an
elite back.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
And I actually don't want to back off the opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
I do think he is a fantastic player, and for
whatever reason, whatever's going into that stew around him, it
just tastes bad. What do you see what has to
be different there?

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
I mean, I think when you talk about Justin Herbert,
the reason why he gets mentioned in the conversation with
Mahomes and Allen, And I can't tell you how many
times you hear people when you talk about the AFC West.
It's like when you're talking about Vegas and Denver, you're
talking about, Oh, well, they're in Herbert and Mahomes's division,

(01:48:12):
and it's like, wait a second, they're in whose division?
Like Herbert and Mahomes. Like we're talking about them as
if they're one and the same, like you're scared of
both of them equally. But I think it's it's because
you look at this guy and I've I've played against him,
I've seen it live in person, and I've certainly seen

(01:48:32):
it on tape countless times.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
He has an.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
Elite skill set like his ability to throw the football,
and some of the throws he makes, no one on
the planet can even attempt to make, and he throws
it all over the yard. They put up crazy numbers
a lot. You know, he throws it to Keenan Allen
and all these guys. And you know, I remember when

(01:48:56):
I watched them in person against the Vikings this year,
Keenan Allen had eighteen catches and they threw for over
four hundred yards and I think he had a couple
incompletions the whole game. Yet, and again, it kind of
goes back to our analytics conversation with Brandon Stally.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Analytics.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
First of all, there's no momentum or emotion ever factored
into analytics. But the other thing about analytics, Analytics give
you the suggestions that will lead to scoring the most points,
and people say, well, that's great. To the great Magic Johnson,

(01:49:37):
you can't win a game if you only score seven points.
So why would that not why would that not hold
true to Well, of course you want to score the
most points. That's not always the case. Scoring the most
points does not mean winning the most games. And go
back to their twenty seven point playoff lead that they

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blew last year in the wildcard game. There were decisions
that were made throughout the course of that game, even
the week before when they had to win to get
in against the Raiders and ultimately didn't but still still
got in.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
The year before. It's like.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
They make decisions around Justin Herbert that may be made
to score the most points, but they're not made to
win football games. And I think that's why we see
Justin Herbert have the struggles that he has. Yeah, he
may put up crazy numbers and score crazy points and
make these elite throws that nobody else can make, but

(01:50:38):
ultimately we're looking at a guy who couldn't win a
game in week seventeen or week eighteen against a division
opponent in the Raiders to get into the playoffs, then
the next year blew a twenty seven point wildcard lead,
and then a team that's two and four. So again,

(01:50:59):
I think gets less on Justin Herbert and more so
on the environment around him.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
Yeah, I don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
It's just odd because you look at the board at
all the top quarterback stats in the NFL, and I know,
you had a little bit of a tough day. You
had a couple of interceptions today, so his ratio took
a little bit of a hit today. He's now got
ten touchdowns, four picks, Not that that's even that bad,
but you look at this guy's yardage totals and right

(01:51:29):
now he's sitting there in the neighborhood is sixteen hundred yards.
As I mentioned, ten touchdowns, four interceptions, a QB rating
that's hovering around one hundred. And when you look at
the other players that are all in the same statistical conversation.
You don't find anybody who's on a team that's losing

(01:51:53):
that none his contemporaries. If you look up and down
this list, it's brock Purty, it's Mahomes, it's Alan, it's Tua,
it's Golf, it's Lamar And maybe i'd add in Doc
Prescott and Geno Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
What do they all have in common? They win more.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Games than they lose, and so there is just something
in the water with this team. I feel like this
is gonna come down. There'll be a national narrative that's building.
I already feel it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
Oh, Justin is not what he's cracked up to me.
Yes he is, Yes he is.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
There is something else going on with that squad that
is preventing them from winning, and I don't believe that
it's Justin Well.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
And the biggest thing that's going to cause that narrative
to change is, you know, when he did it his
first three years, he did it on a rookie contract.
The expectations were not there. It may have been something
from the outside where we're saying, hey, you know, this
guy is a a high draft pick, but we give

(01:53:02):
him the benefit of the doubt. He's still a young quarterback.
We can blame it on everything around him. Now, moving forward,
you sign that big contract, you're going to start losing
some of those key players that you mentioned before, just
because you simply can't pay everyone when you're paying a
quarterback fifty two million dollars a year, So more pressure

(01:53:26):
will be added to him. And if they don't change
kind of the culture around him, whether that be in
the building. You know, they certainly brought in Kellen Moore
this year to try to give him a younger offensive perspective,
a guy who had great offenses in Dallas. Uh, but
it's just not working out. As they sit at two

(01:53:48):
and four.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
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Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Ball snapped on the near hatch, they throw it to Pacheco, get.

Speaker 5 (01:54:06):
To pocket to ten, time, pop to the zone, touchdown,
Cansas City.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Then the Chiefs have blown it open.

Speaker 5 (01:54:15):
A great block by Trey Smith Pachecko on the touchdown reception.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
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at any given time a ton of bad contracts in sports.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
See him get traded in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
All of the time as quarterbacks start asking for more
player empowerment. Thank you Kirk Cousins, your former teammate, for
being the first quarterback to get a fully guaranteed deal.
It opened the door for others, and it opened the
door for one Deshaun Watson, and I bet the Cleveland

(01:55:23):
Browns would like to walk back through the other side
of the door again and do this whole thing over.
Because there's mystery around his injury. It feels like teammates
are starting to question the decisions that he's making in.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
Terms of the injury.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
I'm never one to say what another guy feels in
his body, so I have no idea what's going on there.
I just do know that when he plays, he doesn't
play well. His interceptions today prior to reaggravating his injury
were bad interceptions. And the Browns are an interesting team.
They've got some thing going in the right direction. They've

(01:56:02):
had some breaks on their side, for sure, but they
snuck away with another one, this one a high scoring
one today.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
And look, I'm not saying that PJ.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
Walker by any stretch is the answer, but the team
doesn't look any worse with him out there than when
they do with Deshaun Watson. So two hundred and thirty
million guaranteed dollars feels like, even though the Browns are
in a happy space right now, I think the view
from ten thousand feet is pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
I mean, you mentioned it when we talked before the show,
just how this is such an incredibly talented roster around
to Sean and you know, is this going to be
a team that ultimately misses out on their window with
this unbelievable defense, because you know there's twenty million in

(01:56:52):
cap space dedicated toward him this year, and I think
it jumps to sixty four million next year that they
can't get out of. You're not getting out of that
sixty four million.

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:57:02):
With that being said, they've they've saved thirty five million,
their second to the forty nine ers right now in
cap space at thirty five million, And we talked about
the whole reason why they have that thirty five million
is because they're trying to roll it over to next
year just to save some money when that cap number
goes from nineteen million right now to sixty four million

(01:57:26):
next year. And if we had more than nine minutes
left on the show, I would love to throw up
the argument and have a little friendly debate just to
talk both sides of it. I don't know if it's
necessarily the worst contract in trade in sports. I feel
like we have Deshaun and Russell Wilson, and it would
be a very even debate between the two. I think

(01:57:49):
the only trump card that Dashawn is holding right now
over the Russell Wilson contract is it's got about half
of the guaranteed dollars, with Russell Wilson's contract being only
one hundred and twenty four of the two forty two
guarantee to where the Cleveland Browns not only traded three
first round picks and some change for DeShawn Watson, they

(01:58:11):
gave him two hundred and thirty million, fully guaranteed that
they cannot get out of.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
The only reason I would lean into Shawn's direction in
addition to the one you just mentioned, which is part
of it the guarantee, but it also lean into Shawn's
direction because I do feel like the Browns, if they
were functional consistently on offense, they would be a really
good team, and that would immediately be the best division

(01:58:40):
in football. I'm not sure that it's not already anyway,
but if you put functional, consistent offense on that team
opposite the man who I think right now is the dpoy,
and that's Miles Garrett. And if you saw any of
the game today, I know it's hard to get overly
excited about a defensive player. And the other team scored

(01:59:01):
thirty eight, but Miles Garrett ruined the game for the Colts.

Speaker 3 (01:59:05):
He was absolutely unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
And so if you had consistency on offense, I just
think that whole franchise would they'd be a contender.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
They'd be a contender, Kyle.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
They would.

Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
And you know, if if it wasn't for Miles Garrett
out there in that game today, I mean, the Browns
score fourteen less points and the Colts score forty one
instead of thirty eight because he single handedly set up
two of the brown scorers and.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
Blocked the field goal of the Colts.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
So certainly I couldn't agree more with the Miles Garrett take.
And you know, I know because I've played for that
head coach and I know that system gets the most
out of the quarterback. So you know, you certainly would
like to think that there'd be higher quarterback play from him.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
Good stuff, Brother, can't wait to talk to you about
Niners and Vikings tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
We'll do it again next week.

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