The Bernie Fratto Show Talks OJ Simpson, Scottie Scheffler & More!

On a new episode of the Bernie Fratto Show, Bernie opens the show addressing the passing of OJ Simpson, discussing the especially polarizing life of the former NFL player. Where were you when you heard the news and what was your first thought? MLB podcaster Ryan Burschinger joins the show to hit on all of the biggest storylines surrounding the LA Dodgers! Bernie and the crew also discuss PGA tour golfer (and current Masters Tournament leader) Scottie Scheffler saying he would drop out of the Masters if his wife goes into labor. Plus: YOUR thoughts during an extra-long Midnight Hour!

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(00:30):
jam packed show tonight. And if in fact that in
the shopping mall of Life, sports is the toy department.
My goodness, did we have a lot of toys to
play with this week? Starting with Sunday and Don Staley
and the South Carolina Gamecocks fabulous championship run. Nineteen million
people saw it. We had a solar eclipse, we had

(00:52):
a fantastic game Monday night. Yukon Husky's I thought were terrific.
They repeated. Now people are talking, repeat, We've got John Calipari,
We've got Kentucky basketball, We've got the Masters, Tiger Woods,
abstaining from sex, YadA YadA, ya. It just never ends.

(01:15):
It's the toy department. But I don't know if anybody
can argue with the fact that the one news event
this week that we'll have people talking about more than
every other one combined is the passing of O. J. Simpson.
There is no objectivity when people have their thoughts on

(01:36):
OJ Simpson. It's subjective and I must tell you. And
by the way, June seventeenth, nineteen ninety four would have
been thirty years. Thirty years. Of course, that's the infamous
White Broncos slow chase, which ninety five million people watched.
And see you may hear a slightly different tone in

(01:56):
my voice because that night was impactful for me. In seventeenth,
nineteen ninety four, my life changed forever. So first night
I ever became an officially credential media member, I was
working for WTKA ten P fifty out of ann Arbor, Michigan.
They are the Michigan football flagship. But I got a
credential that night for the first time the Detroit Tigers.

(02:18):
I was covering the Tigers game they were hosting the
Toronto Blue Jays. That doesn't even begin to tell the
story because as I found my seat in the press box,
I noticed that all the media monitors that had just
been installed that season at the Old Tiger Stadium every
few feet that the press could see the broadcast version
of the game as well. That's what the idea was.

(02:42):
And again it was the first year they were featured
that amenity in the Old Tiger Stadium. But as I
looked up, they weren't showing the game at all. It
was a long drawn out slow most Try that again
in English slow motion police pursuit of an infamous white
Ford Bronco. That's right. It was the night that would
also change the life of Arenthal, James Simpsons as well.

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All of us in the media were completely fixated on
the screen. We're watching this surreal event, trying to get
our minds around what was happening because there was no
sound on the TV to describe the quote action. Then
all of a sudden, no gentleman by the name of
David Gascon of the LAPD appears on the screen. Now,
at the time, he was a commander in charge of

(03:25):
media relations for the LAPD and as Commander Gascon began
to speak, we knew it was important, but we couldn't
hear him. There was no sound on the monitors in
the press box. Now, this video over the years has
been almost a conic in its broad based recognition of
one of the most notorious events I would say in
American history, pop culture, certainly in the lexicon of the

(03:47):
United States jurisprudence. What was happening, Well, it wasn't until
midnight when I got home I was able to witness
those impactful words as they replayed the video quote OJ
Simpson is a fugitive from justice, and the world collectively
watched to see what would happen next. So to be
sure to imply that my entrede in the world of

(04:09):
sports media as a credential member was auspicious, well, that
would be a huge understatement, not for nothing. Fast forward
to twenty eighteen and as I joined Fox Sports Radio,
one of the gentlemen I worked with was one of
our former update anchors by the name of David gascon
The center of David gascon Ow the circle of life.

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The OJ Simpson legacy is a complicated one. As a journalist,
I've often said that if one side is telling me
it's raining and the other side is telling me it's sunny,
I look out the window and find out for myself
rather than get into an argument. But this time I
decided to sit back and observe how would the media

(04:54):
cover this? And by the way, make no mistake, when
we open up the phone lines at midnight, at the
midnight hour, the OJ saga will be our topic. I
want to hear from the peeps. It's a highly charged
issue and it's not so much I want to hear
what you think is legacy should be or etc. But

(05:14):
when you heard he passed, he's only seventy six, and
we'd heard he was in hospice, but he denied it,
and he did a video February eleventh said I'm finally
be back soon. Well it turned out not to be
the truth. I want to hear what was going through
your mind when you heard OJ passed. I will tell
you what was going through my mind the second he passed.

(05:35):
What would have been his legacy had none of this
ever happened. June seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, ninety five million
people watched it. The Bronco Chase, the trial, the verdict
October third, nineteen ninety five, one hundred and fifty million
people watched and OJ really lived the rest of his
life in infamy, and it very much overshadowed his incredible

(05:56):
brilliance as a running back, not only at usc where
he won the Heisman Trophy, but in the National Football League.
You had to see him to know how good he
truly was. But that's all overshadowed. See in an alternate universe,
had Oj passed and none of this ever would have happened,
the headline would have been one of the most dynamic,
talented running backs in the history of NFL. Died Winnsday,

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age seventy six. But we don't live in an alternative universe.
We live in our universe, and O. J. Simpson was
incredibly popular, not only as a football player, but as
a person as a celebrity. He truly was larger than life.

(06:38):
Truly was larger than life. Now, my mentor, Dick Shapp,
it's so funny, I had a real brain crap. I
felt like picking up the phone and calling Dick Shapp.
Still got his phone number in my brain, even though
he's been no longer with us since two thousand and one.
Dick was my mentor. And after this whole ordeal happened,
I called Dick and I asked him. I said, I
just need to know your take. I still love to

(06:59):
hear what his take was on life events, current events,
world events, and certainly sporting events, and he said something
I'll never forget. He said, well, first of all, let
me say it start by saying this. I liked OJ,
had a great relationship with OJ. Everybody loved OJ. And
he did a favor for me once. This is Dick
Shapp talking where he had to get on a plane

(07:20):
in La, fly five hours to New York. The favor
took two hours, got back on a plane, flew five
hours back and was gracious about it and what I
needed done, he pulled it off in OJ fashion. So
Dick Shapp was scratching his head because OJ was on
top of the world. And what he told me was,
he said, the fact that this whole ordeal happened over

(07:42):
a woman is something I will never be able to
reconcile in my life. OJ could have had anybody you wanted.
So that was the legendary Dick Schapp who written thirty
four books. And Dick always told me his favorite sport
was people and he didn't root for teams. He rooted
for the story. And this is an incredible story. So
as I sat back and watched how the media reported this.

(08:03):
It's decidedly I would say negative. What happened and the
way they cover it seals what would have been OJ's legacy.
The New York Post OJ Simpson, the once beloved NFL
superstar who was acquitted in the nineteen ninety five murder
gripped the Nation. Sports Illustrated said OJ Simpson, who was

(08:26):
acquitted a murder one of the whole highest profile cases
of American history. ESPN. OJ Simpson, decorated superstar who was
found acquitted of charges he killed his former wife, who
later found libel and a separate civil trial died. The
athletic og Simpson, known for his prowess on the football
field and later for the criminal trials of his ex wife.

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Every single one of them, every single major media outlet
reported this in a fashion and frankly, completely overshadowed what
he did on the football field, what he did on
the movies screen, what he did in commercials as a
pitchman for Hurtz, completely overshadowed. Stephen A. Smith simply said,

(09:07):
if I was on the jury, he would have been
under the damn jail. The majority of the coverage, the
majority of the videos, the majority of the photos, displayed
regarding OJ Simpson, showed him at the trial, the Bronco chase, etc.
How many videos did you see of his highlight Heisman

(09:28):
winning days at USC or when he ran for two
thousand yards with the Buffalo Bills in the nineteen seventies
and he did it in fourteen games. And even folks
who thought the jury got it right had some very
unkind things to say about OJ Simpson. I'm not going
to read him. They're pretty sillacious and you can read
him yourself. Pro Football Hall of Fame's release on OJ

(09:52):
Simpson's death, they actually didn't mention his legal woes. They
just simply said he died of cancer. Okay, by the way,
for what it's worth, he rushed for over eleven thousand
yards seventy five touchdowns, and people were putting obituaries on

(10:12):
social media that would read like this career rushing yards
and thirty six touchdown, seventy five murder charges to murder
charge acquittals two. So his legacy, well, I think you
know what it is now. It's completely overshadowed what would
have been had this never happened. Coming up, and we're

(10:34):
going to get to a lot of things tonight. We've
got so much ground to cover. But coming up, we're
going to bring in one of our teammates, Ryan Berschinger.
You hear him all over the network. He's got a
great new Dodgers podcast. I want the folks to hear
about that. And the Dodgers have been really in the
news for multiple reasons, pretty much ever since they signed

(10:54):
Shohei Otani. They've been in the news for their prowess
on the field and off the field. Get beat by
the Potteries tonight. By the way, I'm sure, I'm sure
Poppy love that. I'm Bernie Fratderwick, Kenedy Lyfro Las Vegas,
Fox Sports Radio, Tirec dot Com studios. Keep It Locked Radio.
You're listening to the Bernie Frattles Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2 (12:28):
All right back on the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports
Radio coming you live from the tire Act dot Com
studios here in Las Vegas. It's welcome and a gentleman,
one of our teammates here at Fox Sports Radio. He's
a jack of all trade. You hear him all around
the network. Very talented guy, and he has a new podcast.

(12:48):
Say hello to Ryan Bershing or Ryan. Thanks for staying
up late, Bud.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
Oh, Bernie, anything for you, man, this is this is
awesome to go from a few years ago being the
person who produced you your first show to now being
a guest.

Speaker 7 (13:02):
On our show.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
It blows my mind. So this is is really cool.
Thanks Bertie.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well, it's well deserved. And before we get into some
Dodger stuff, let's promote your podcast. Tell everybody what the
name of it is, where they can find it, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
Well, the podcast is called the Sick Podcast the Dodgers Zone.
It's the new Dodger podcast on the Sick Podcast Network.
I do it alongside other FSR counterparts, Bo Benson a
fellow producer. It's a network. And of course Monte Bilano.
So you're here all the time on the update desk.
You're here hosting on the weekend. So the three of
us are covering the Dodgers throughout the season. We got

(13:40):
this really cool opportunity with the Sick Podcast Network, and
so we're very excited.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
So primarily, is it a situation where you're covering the
nuts and bolts, the on the field stories, or what's
the general format?

Speaker 6 (13:54):
We get into everything, and of course the Dodgers have
had a lot of stuff going on both on and
off the field to start the season, and so we
we we talk about it all. We've been talking a
lot about Otani and everything that's been going on off
the field, and of course we get into the nitty
gritty with the team.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
On the field.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
You know, of course it's a it's a daily grind
throughout the baseball season, but there's there's plenty of storylines
and plenty of different ways to analyze a team from
top to bottom, you know, whether it's the struggles at
the bottom of the batting order, sometimes the you know,
bullpen issues are are prevalent with every team in Major
League Baseball. But for example, tonight, the Dodgers losing eight

(14:33):
to seven, which as incredible as their offense is, it's
pretty wild that they're actually in five games so far
this season. They've scored at least seven runs and they've
lost three of those. So these these sort of slug
festival happened with this team. So there's there's a lot
of really interesting stuff to get in depth with with
this team. But of course it is, it is, It
is a huge show. And I mean that in of

(14:55):
course at O HW.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
And h O.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
So I want to start with tonight, but I want
to begin with the pregame ever so quickly. It's my
understanding that a bar room and the young lady who
caught what Towani's first home run ball at her husband,
we're guests of the Dodgers tonight before the game on
the field. Did that event take place and has that
whole situation been completely resolved now? Are there still some

(15:20):
loose ends?

Speaker 6 (15:22):
That's correct. Actually it was her birthday today, right right,
So yes, they did invite her. They had a bit
of an event on the field. She also did get
to formally meet show Hey Otani in person, and he
signed a bat for her and he signed a couple
other things for her. So yeah, that was quite the ordeal,

(15:43):
of course. But yes, the Dodgers are doing everything they
can to to try to do it right, Yes, I
understand in hindsight, of course, the estimates out there for
what that home run ball is worth is in the
six digits, and we're probably still not in the six
digits in terms of the out of stuff that she's
gotten and the stuff that she's gotten to do. But
she seems very grateful and very happy that the Dodgers

(16:07):
were able to reach out and at least tried to
do right. And it is good that this story became
as big as it was, because I think it kind
of sends a message to the rest of the league
to like, hey, stop this sort of mafia esque treatment
of fans when significant home run balls leave the yard.
Because from what I understand, what the Dodgers did, while
was you know, kind of messed up, also wasn't uncommon

(16:31):
in the way that teams handled those situations. So in
the long run, I think it is a good thing
that this story blew up to the point that it did,
and hopefully teams all across the league will handle a
significant home run balls better.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
And You're not wrong that the protocol that the Dodgers
followed is not uncommon across the major leagues. But I've
always believed and I've believed this for many, many years,
that the Dodgers don't view themselves as a common organization.
Everything about their whole existence has been fairly pristine. Even
when you go to die your stadium, it's it's whole,
but it's it's it's clean, it's spick and span. It's

(17:04):
an amazing venue. Uh, let's dive into a couple of others.
By the way, that's good. She so she ended up
getting to meet Otani?

Speaker 9 (17:11):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Did she get to meet if it means a horror
buny chance?

Speaker 8 (17:16):
I had to throw that in there, and I couldn't resist.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
No, but I do understand he's out on bail. That
would have been kind of cool if you'd have caught
Otani's home run ball to night, we had a whole
different story, uh, to you to talk about? So that well, maybe, yeah, boy,
I'm gonna deal with that at the bottom of the hour.
Let's talk about the Dodgers on the field. Obviously, there's

(17:41):
incredibly high hopes. Uh. I think the division might be
theirs for the taking their ten and six right now
after a red hot start. They lose to the Padres tonight.
What is the general consensus though around the Dodgers and
their fan base. Is it World Series or bust or
you know, what are the real expectations.

Speaker 6 (18:06):
You know, Dodger fans have had kind of World Series
or bust expectations for I mean, we're getting to like
a decade now in terms of having those sort of
expectations on the team, especially with adding Otani this season.
I think the buzz and just looking at how incredibly
loaded that's. I mean, you've got you've got three MVPs

(18:27):
at the top of the order. That's insane. And then
you bring in Tyler glassanow to the rotation, who's looked fantastic,
Yoshinobu Yamamoto, who is going to be excellent. He had
his previous two starts priors at the night work fantastic.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Tonight.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
He did give up two home runs, but he settled
in after the Kim home run, only gave up only
allowed one over the minimum for the rest of his outing.
So the staff, the bullpen, the lineup, the entire roster.
This is a team that should contend for the World reason.
Quite frankly, Dodger fans are expecting them to at least

(19:04):
get there and probably win it. I think because of
Otani's situation in terms of him not pitching this season,
I think we're kind of looking at an immediate two
year window where I feel like, if the Dodgers don't
win it all this season, they'll say, okay, but they'll
definitely get it next season, right, I think. And if

(19:27):
they don't get the World Series in these first two
years with Otani, people are going to start to grumble,
whether that be about I mean, Dodger fans grumble about
Dave Roberts all the time, but if they don't win
it all in these two years, and especially if we
have a first round exit again, it's things are going
to get pretty wild. So to sum it all up,

(19:48):
the expectations by Dodger fans have always been the same. Really,
it's this team should win a World Series. Those were
the expectations prior to signing Otani, and definitely after adding
Otani and everyone else that came after him. Yeah, that's
that's the expectations.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
So the Cubs are beating their chest a little bit.
I'm sure you can speak to the trade that's a
little bit under the radar. They few the kind of
fleeced the Dodgers share it. The folks, your opinion now
in retrospect that Dodger traded with the Cubs last year.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
Well, we print your two in this past off season.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Within the prospects. Yeah, yes, yes, so Bush is.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
An excellent prospect. I like him a lot. The problem
that Bush had with the Dodgers is the fact that
the Dodgers have so many solid hitting first basemen that
they already have a couple playing out of position. As
it is, you have Max Monthly playing third base. He
would be a first base or DH on any other
team in the league. But of course, with Freddie Freeman
locking up first base, that you had to find somewhere

(20:49):
to move Muncie and Bush. They've tried him at second base,
they tried him at third base. He could kind of
play second a bit, but he's really a first baseman.
And so because of the fact that they had Freddie
Freeman and especially now with a Tawny locking down DH,
there just wasn't anywhere to put Bush. With their struggles
that Gavin lux has gone through to start the season,

(21:10):
you kind of you look at that situation, go darn,
if only Bush could have played a better second base.
But yeah, I expect Bush to turn into a pretty
solid major league player. He's already looked pretty dang good.
He had a he had a big RBI against the
Dodgers in the in the cub Series. But they got
some interesting prospects out of that deal. Ze here Hope,

(21:32):
who is I think at like single A level right now?

Speaker 10 (21:35):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (21:36):
Really really under the radar bat, really good tool the outfielder.
And they got a very nice left handed pitching prospect
out of it as well. So yeah, I like Bush
a lot, but just the Dodgers already have half of
their guys playing out of position as it is. It
was just hard to find a spot for him.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Last thing for me, Ryan Uh and the Dodgers had
some bad luck in the pitching, And I understand Walker
Buehler made a rehab start Friday night in Rancha Cuckamonga
and then he gets hit by a comebacker on the hand.
Did you hear about that? When were they expecting to
get Walker Buehler back.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
I believe the expectations were hopefully by the end of
this month, So we'll kind of see where he's at
with the comebacker. I think, from what I understand, bringing
them out at that point was really just more so
precautionary than anything. So we'll see what the reports are
in terms of how Buehler feels. But I believe the
hopes and expectations are, you know, by the end of

(22:33):
the month, maybe early next month, that Bueller comes back
into the rotation, and that's going to be an incredible
addition to the rotation that's already again a very loaded
top to bottom rotation. A couple guys have had you know,
hard hit, have been hard hit a couple of times
here and there. Bobby Miller had a couple of rough
outings and a couple of fantastic outing He's still coming

(22:54):
into his own and he has like eighth level potential
with Bobby Miller, and then of course so class now
with Yamamoto. James Paxson doesn't even looked good at the
at the bottom of that rotation. Gavin Stone's given some
quality inning, so you're able to add Bueller to that
rotation where they've already employed a bullpen game pretty early
on in this season, and part of that was because

(23:15):
to give these guys extra reds. Yamamoto is still adjusting
to the American game, where in Japan pitchers through it
once a week as opposed to once every five days,
so they wanted to extend his rest a little bit
to get him prepared for the next outing. So once
once Bueller comes back, Yeah, that's that rotation is just
incredibly strong and hopefully he does remain healthy through the

(23:38):
rest of the season.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Ryan, great stuff. I just followed your on Twitter the
Sick Podcast the Dodgers on at Sick Pod Dodgers. I
encourage everybody to do it is people can see you
really do your homework. Good luck with the podcast. Ryan,
keep us posted, bud Oh, you got it.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
Thanks so much. Bernie really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
All right, thanks so much. Ryan. It's Ryan Berschinger. You
hear them all around the net work as one of
our producers Weekends, Daytime, etc. Jack of All Trades and
he along with Monci and Bold, they got this podcast
and I know they do their homework coming up. We've
been fascinated by the whole Shoio Tani. I don't want

(24:17):
to call it a scandal, but the whole show, hey ip,
a criminal complaint, batting situation, millions of dollars being stolen, bookies,
all that. Part of the reason we've been so fascinated
is because there hasn't been a hell of a lot
of clarity, mostly speculation. Now there's more clarity, and there

(24:37):
are a few news items coming out of this whole
deal that really have caused me to scratch my head.
I will share those with you coming up, but first
let's go to our guy, Kevin Figures with the latest.

Speaker 11 (24:47):
All right, Bernie, and still much to be decided as
we enter into the final weekend of the NBA's regular season.
No game schedule for Saturday. All thirty teams will be
in action on Sunday for the final day of the year,
and there's a three way tie currently for the top
seed in the Western Conference. Denver did enter into Friday
in sole possession of the one seed, but they lost
in San Antonio one twenty one to one twenty after

(25:08):
blowing a seventeen point lead. Minnesota beat Atlanta, Oklahoma Oklahoma
City I should say blue out in Milwaukee, so the
two Wolves, Nuggets a thunder all have identical records atop
the West with one game remaining on the schedule. At
the bottom of the West, the Lakers held off a
short handed Grizzlies team. New Orleans defeated the Warriors and
Phoenix el lasted Sacramento, so the Lakers currently hold the

(25:29):
eighth seed by a one game margin over the Kings
and Warriors, who are ninth and tenth respectively.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
In the East.

Speaker 11 (25:35):
Cleveland clinched a guaranteed playoff berth with a victory over Indiana,
while the nick secured at least the fourth seed with
a victory. In baseball, the Dodgers rallied back from the Padres,
I should say, rally back from a seven to three
deficit against the Dodgers, picking up an eight to seven
victory inn eleven innings in La Oakland, a walkoff victory
and extra innings. You had wins for Saint Louis, Seattle

(25:56):
and the Rangers back to Bernie Fredo.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
All right, thanks Kevin, and I want to remind the
folks coming up midnight Pacific, the midnight hour, our subject
matter to night will be OJ Simpson. What were your
thoughts when you heard he passed away? And we'll have
a second bonus subject as well. I'll tease that coming
up in about ten minutes. But the Oj story is huge,

(26:19):
all right, another story that's been massive, and Ryan touched
down it. Frankly, it's overshadowed the first month of the
Dodger season. Over the past month or so, frankly, the
whole world of baseball, they've been kind of, you know,
ruminating about this whole Shohi Otani and his fired interpreter,
Ipi Missahara, and what the hell really happened there? How
could this have happened? How could you not know? Blah

(26:41):
blah blah. There are still some people who don't believe
that show he is telling the truth. I'm not going
on that road tonight. But it's the lack of clarity
that really fired up. I think the interest in this
entire story. We just didn't know, and because we didn't know,
we wanted to know more. Well, here are some things
we know now, And I got to tell you when
I heard these things, I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. One,

(27:06):
it turns out that Ippi his gambling losses totaled more
than forty million, and losses losses. By the way, I
heard today that Hippi Missahara has been recommended to attend
what gambling addiction classes? Yeah, yeah, a little late for that, there, fella.
You think. And this whole thing started because ESPN obtained

(27:30):
documentation of a couple five hundred thousand dollars wire transwers
about a month ago to an illegal bookie that was
under federal investigation, et cetera. Now it turns out the
true number, as it's been reported by the FEDS, is
closer to sixteen million. But that was only the start
of how bad all this got for Ipai. We are
finding out between December and twenty twenty one and January

(27:53):
twenty twenty four, Ipe made well, it's not like he
made twenty thousand vets. He made nineteen bets. Are you
kidding me? That's twenty five bets a day. You're at
fire Mark. I love it, these these bets. And I'm
sure at this point Mooki bets which is his last

(28:14):
name was Smith. But work with me. They range from
what ten dollars ten dollars all the way up two
one hundred and sixty thousand dollars. But the average amount
of these bets was just under thirteen thousand. So the
records and again this investigations is going on since October,
show that if a won actually a total of one

(28:34):
hundred and forty two million, the problem is he lost
a total of one hundred and eighty two million. There's
your forty million dollars loss. And then they found a
bunch of text messages which are just stupid. I'm terrible
at the sports betty thing. Hih any chance you can
bump me again? As you know, you don't have to
worry about me not paying. But it's crazy. That was

(28:55):
a text to his bookie. The second thing is and
this apparently just came out because we were all asking
how could that amount of money go missing without any
way really not noticing. It turns out that question we underestimated.
Apparently that you know, Bizer Habb maybe had more control

(29:16):
over Otani's finances that we realized, but not just that,
the desperation that he was willing to go to preserve it.
Apparently he impersonated Ippe impersonated Otani on the phone to
hide his alleged bank fraud, and the bank records reportedly
showed that the account was in Otani's name, but the
contact information connected to it was changed to miss Ahrr's

(29:38):
phone number and an anonymous email address connected with IPI,
so transfers remained from the account using devices and ip
addresses associated with IPI. This is crazy, man, I think
this dude is going to jail for a long time.
The third thing is this just came out, and this
is kind of random, but here you go. It's leaves

(30:00):
you scratching your head. Apparently Ippi used a lot of
the money that was stolen from Otani well to payoff
debts to the bookie, but he was also working on
a sidehoust, so I guess he liked to collect baseball cards.
The Feds apparently found more than three hundred and twenty
five thousand dollars in transactions regarding baseball cards on eBay

(30:22):
involving the Otani bank account again between just this year
January and March twenty twenty four. Incredible, and you know
that leaves me speechless, all right. The other another story
that came out, This is more anecdotal. It's probably you
probably don't want to owe millions of dollars to anybody,

(30:45):
much less than an illegal bookie, right, And in Ippy's case,
apparently the bookie in question, mister Boyer went as far
as following Otani while he was walking his dog. By
the way, his dog is I don't know how to
pronounce it. It sounds like deco pin or da copin or
something like that, that's Otani's dog, and he threatened to

(31:07):
approach him to get miser Harra's contact information, says Honor.
About November seventeen, twenty twenty three, the book maker message saying, hey, Hippie,
it's two o'clock on Friday. I don't know why you're
not returning my calls. I'm here in Newport Beach. I
see Otani walking against dog. I'm just gonna go up
and ask him and talk to him how I can
get in touch with you. Since you're not responding, please

(31:27):
call me back immediately. Well. Then, on January sixth, apparently
the bookie messaged Ippy and said, you're putting me in
a position where this is going to get out of control.
If I don't hear from you by the end of
the day, it's going to be out of my hands.
Hippy responded with the same state the same day, stating,
apparently my bad man just got back from Japan two

(31:49):
days ago, and I'm leaving tomorrow again. I'll be back
in mid January. To be honest with you, I'm really
struggling right now, and eatch some time before I start
to make payments. Hmmm. Finally, apparently Otan, his agent only
talked to a TONI through it, Babe Misahara. So if
you're a baseball agent and you have a client who
will someday sign a contract over seven hundred million dollars,

(32:09):
Let's say the client doesn't speak English fluently. He needs
an interpreter so he can live his life in the
United States. And let's say the interpreter becomes sort of
the maybe the unofficial manager of he said player. Okay,
Let's say the interpreter tells you your client has a
private bank account that's not even the financial managers you
can hire access. Let's say the interpreter claims your client

(32:31):
agreed to loan and millions of dollars to pay off
a legal gambling debt. I don't know, man, if I'm
an agent, do I really want to talk to this
interpreter anymore? I'm a little confused about that one. Now,
Tani claimed you do nothing about the scandal until Mizzy
stood up in front of the Dodgers and explained his
situation back on March twentieth. That's when this story blew up,
and the complaint sort of bears that out. I guess

(32:53):
maybe a Tani really didn't know. Where it really gets wild, though,
is how many times a parent the explanations to confuse
financial managers of the O tiny bank account by miss
Ippy was on the up and up. That's the part
that blows me away. I just don't know. Finally, I mean,
obviously you got to a point where Izzy saw the

(33:15):
writing on the wall. The whole thing came crashing down.
In March, right around the day Ippy was fired, he
messaged the boy or the illegal booky, who said he
didn't believe the claims that Missy Ippy stole from Otani.
I don't want to hell of the calls Guy Ippy,
misserh I'll just call him Ippy, okay. On March twentieth,
apparently Hippy messaged the bookmaker and said, if you seen

(33:37):
the reports, and the bookmaker said, yes, but it's all
bys Obviously you didn't steal from him. I understand it's
a cover job. I totally get it. Well, then Nippy said, well,
technically I did steal from him. It's all over for me.
I think if somebody would have submitted the script to
a Hollywood movie maker, they would have had him drug tested.
They just wouldn't have believed it. It's just incredible how

(34:00):
this story has played out in the last twenty four days.
And will there be more? Yeah, I'm guessing there's gonna be.
This guy's facing a lot of charges, and I still
think there's some unanswered questions. But for the most part,
I think that baseball is breathing a sigh relief. There
is no evidence whatsoever, certainly at least at this point
that that show Hey bet on Baseball Onward and Upward.

(34:22):
He had another bomb home run tonight. Too bad that
show Hey can't pitch this year? The Dodgers could could
really use them. Coming up, we're going to talk about
the midnight hour and tonight's subject matter. We want to
hear from you. Ian will open the phone lines at
midnight Pacific eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. Height
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sixty nine. We're talk about two things. We're going to

(34:43):
talk about OJ he passed. It seemed to come out
of nowhere. He's seventy six years old. I want to
get your thoughts. What was the prevailing thought going on
in your mind when you heard he passed. And then
also Scotty Scheffler, one of the favorites to win the Masters.
He's currently tied for first place. Was very vehement a

(35:06):
couple of weeks ago. His wife is due to have
a baby any day. We think it's about a week
away now, so let's remove some of the drama. But
he came out and said that if she goes into
labor on day four, I'm out of here. Even if
he's leading, well he is leading. What is your response
when you hear that. I believe him. I think he's
telling the truth. The only thing is I don't think
it's gonna happen, because I don't think she's going to

(35:28):
go into labor. But we didn't never know with these things.
And we'll talk about OJ, we'll talk about Scotti Scheffler.
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(36:28):
nine on Fox. Want to get your thoughts. Soji Simpson
passed the other day, seventy six years old. Apparently he
had he'd been dealing with cancer. And you cannot hear
this news without having some sort of reaction. And that's

(36:49):
what I want to hear from the people about when
you heard that he passed. You don't have to go
into it soliloically on what you think is legacy should be,
or we don't need to revisit the trial any those things.
I just want to know what your thoughts were. You
got to remember ninety five million people watched the Bronco Chase,
and on June seventeenth, it would be it would signify

(37:11):
thirty years June seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, Friday night, my
first night as a credential media member. I'm covering the
Tigers versus the Toronto Blue Jays the old Tiger Stadium.
They had just installed monitors in the press box so
you could watch the game. We weren't watching the game.
We were watching the low speed Bronco chase without sound.

(37:37):
We did not know what was going on. You have
to remember at that night, it was fluid, it was sudden,
it was surreal, beyond surreal. And then Commander David Gaskin
comes on and others the famous words O. J. Simpson
is a fugitive from justice. But we didn't. I don't
relips we could, We did not know what he was saying.

(37:57):
And then approximately what I guess it was seventeen months later,
sixteen months later, the verdict came down. One hundred and
fifty million people who watched the verdict. It was polarizing
for the nation. And he's OJ has never lived that down. Never,
because if you merely look at the at the media

(38:21):
coverage and the reportage these past few days from major organizations,
from the New York Post, a sports illustrator from ESPN,
to the athletic to the NFL Network Stephen A. Smith,
every one of them. The predominant headline was he was
acquitted a murder. Murder is a powerful word. Before that,

(38:43):
OJ was an incredible football player. You would not believe
how well he would have done in today's game given
his versatility, at his speed, power, all the things go
along with it. He was larger than life. He was
a pitch man, he was an actor, He was gracious
with people. He loved being OJ. He was born to
be a celebrity and it all went out the window

(39:03):
in the last thirty years of his life. We're not
like the first forty six. I'll tell you that. I
don't think he ever lived it down and it completely overshadowed.
So what did you hear when you heard? What were
your thoughts when you heard the news? That's the primary
thing I want to flesh out of people, because there's
nothing objective about this event. It's purely subjective as to

(39:26):
how you feel about all sorts of things, and I
don't want people to pull punches tonight. Of course, people
have done great in this midnight hour segment. Finally, it's
a little fun if you want to opine about this
the Masters are going on. By the way, Tiger's abstaining
from sex. He made the cut twenty four in a row.
Scottie Schaeffler, who was one of the favorites to win

(39:47):
this thing, said famously a few weeks back, his wife's
due to have a baby, and if she goes into
labor on day four, he's out of here. What if
he's leading the tournament and she goes into the labor.
How do you feel about that? What are your thoughts?
I know you've got an opinion on it. Well, he
is leading the tournament, he's tied, but I don't think

(40:07):
she's going to go into labor. Frankly that they're saying
now that it's about a week away before she's going
to have the baby. But irrespective, we talk to Scottie Scheffler,
we talk O. J. Simpson. Want to get your thoughts
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and we are going to get to all of you tonight.
So without further ado, let's get the ball rolling. I
know you've got thoughts on O. J. Simpson? What were
you thinking when you heard he pass Nick? And Portland
starts us off tonight? Nick, what were your thoughts when

(41:14):
you heard the news?

Speaker 12 (41:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (41:16):
How you doing?

Speaker 14 (41:17):
Bernie hi on uh on on oj? I mean I
was I was a teenager and you know, in the
nineties and when he was going through the trial and everything,
and I couldn't watch, you know, I didn't watch him play.
I mean her stories and watch tape that you know, highlights.

Speaker 15 (41:38):
He was.

Speaker 14 (41:40):
Great player obviously.

Speaker 16 (41:41):
But I mean, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 14 (41:44):
My thoughts on that are just I guess would be.

Speaker 17 (41:51):
There.

Speaker 14 (41:51):
You know, it seems like like you said, the headlines
are you know that he was acquitted and that's it.
I mean, he was a bad guy from what I
can gather.

Speaker 18 (42:04):
I mean, I know.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
It's a complicated situation. I hear your your brain swirling, Nick,
and I understand it. Sometimes it's probably difficult to boil
it down into into one perhaps prevailing thought. I appreciate
you checking in, Nick every Friday night. We do this,
we'll hear from you again. What were your thoughts when
you heard that OJ passed gim in Massachusetts? Interesting? Interested

(42:31):
to hear what you've got to say about.

Speaker 8 (42:32):
This, Oh, Bernie, that was right. I was like thirty
four years old when all this happened.

Speaker 19 (42:36):
Everything.

Speaker 8 (42:38):
The first thing of all was that Ben Shapiro. They
couldn't find OJ. He flew to Chicago, some couldn't find
him and everything, and all of a sudden, Shapiro shows
up in front of microphones. Mister Simpson was at home
practicing his golf swing at the time of his wife's demise,
and she died between eleven PM and one eight.

Speaker 13 (43:00):
So what are you doing.

Speaker 8 (43:01):
I'll swing in your golf club under the moonlight. Oh
it just died. To get worse after that, after that,
after that, and then when the DA drops the the
case on Maja Clock's desk, Hey, you're going to handle
this case? And she looked up at the guy, looked
at DA was like, who's o. J Simpson, are you

(43:21):
kidding me? You got to be kidding me. You knew
the trial was over then, you knew the trial was
over then, and then we had to deal with the
dominic Dunn from Rita's Digest covered that from from day
one in the front row the whole time, best line
of the whole trial, they come outside, everybody's cheering and
yelling and going crazy and stuff. Then he got off

(43:44):
and they asked him, what do you think. Oh, he
was found not guilty. That doesn't mean he's innocent, and
it started.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
A whole new thing.

Speaker 8 (43:50):
It was just it was just so bizarre.

Speaker 6 (43:54):
The whole thing was just so bizarre for.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
A pretty good timeline there, Jim good memory. Appreciate you
checking in. Uh And obviously even after that, the civil
try which I haven't talked about, took place a couple
years later where old Ja was found Libel and Uh.
I think there were damages of a hundred million. But
that's the story for a different day, but it's part
of the story. Jerome and Charleston, You're up next, my friend,

(44:16):
what we got?

Speaker 15 (44:17):
I remember O. J.

Speaker 20 (44:18):
Simpson very well. Okay, when I was growing up, it
was something about that UFC fight song that always got
to me. It was like, my favorite fight song is
a kid going up, fight off fee, fight off of victory.
It was just something about that song. It just that
when they were saying the national anthem in Canada, Old Canada.

(44:42):
It was just something about those two songs when I
was going up, they kind of like, you know, got
to me a little bit. But hey, he was some
phenomenal running back the year that year he broke that record.
It was a guest to get. I was right there
watching it when I wor black and white TV. But man,
when I saw that Chase Buckle, I know he did it, man,

(45:03):
And I've never changed my mind now once since all
has happened. You know, I was very sad for the
Global Family and so I'm the coolest family. But you
know what, you got to kill while you treat people.

Speaker 21 (45:15):
You got to kill while you talk to people.

Speaker 15 (45:17):
Because God's always watching you. Man, God's always watching me.

Speaker 12 (45:21):
That's what I believe Joe.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I'm always appreciate your calls, man, and the knowledge based tonight.
I'm very impressed by everybody in terms of how their
recollection is not just of the event itself, but part
of the tapestry in OJ's life. And if you look,
it's not hard to find film of OJ at USC.
The old student body, right, student body. I mean, forget it, man,

(45:45):
those USC football teams and OJ was there out of
this world. Chris in Lancaster, look forward to your thoughts.
What was going on in your mind when you heard
that OJ passed?

Speaker 22 (45:56):
Okay, Bernie, hello, how are you doing? And my very
first thought was get his brained, do the study for
the for the the head injury thing?

Speaker 7 (46:08):
Okay?

Speaker 22 (46:09):
So I yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah yeah, absolutely so
that was my very first thought.

Speaker 13 (46:16):
I was eight years old.

Speaker 22 (46:17):
The first time I met O. J.

Speaker 6 (46:19):
Simpson.

Speaker 22 (46:19):
He signed my cleats and I went and played a
football game. And by the end of the football game,
I was a running back. By the way, at the
end of the football game, the singcture had worn off.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
And I bet he was nice to you, though, wasn't
he what that? I bet he was nice to you
when he signed your cleats right, Oh my god.

Speaker 22 (46:37):
Yeah, the first two callers ahead of me were unbelievable
in their recount of the trial and and who he was.
I only remember him as nake a gun and his
TV stuff. He definitely if if you take it forward
to that moment of time, how many since that moment

(47:02):
in time where Nicole and I don't know what his name.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Was, Ron Goldman?

Speaker 22 (47:08):
Yeah, now go forward how many incidents with football players
with head injuries? So it kind of paints a picture
that before OJ are before that whole thing. And now
we're starting to do the head study stuff with Junior

(47:29):
Sel and all of them. Yeah, it makes sense that
if you were to grab his brain you might might
see something an interesting.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
That's something I never would have thought of. All right, Chris, appreciate,
appreciate you checking in. And I don't know that they
have designs on doing that. But one thing, we've got
to tell the whole story. And we all know, if
you've listened to me, I'm a notorious name dropper. If
I really started naming dropping names of people I've met,
I'd killed the whole four hour show. But OJ's not
one of them. I never did meet OJ. But everybody.

(48:01):
I know they did. And remember he's here in Las Vegas.
He lived the last you know, fifteen years of his
life here in Las Vegas. He loved interacting with people
and kiddit, sing with people, and he was he had
a gift for that. I never heard anybody say that
OJ was rude to him or whatever. So anyway, Poppy

(48:21):
in San Diego, Hey, how about those Potteris. I don't
want to talk about that, but nice wind night, Poppy.
So what do you got about OJ?

Speaker 23 (48:26):
Yeah, Bernie, Yeah, it's a nice one from Pads. I
might hear my hometown Coachella Valley, first weekend of Coachella.
But you know, with OJ, Bernie, I remember actually watching
the chase. I was here in my hometown, Coachella Valley,
and I was watching on the TV and with the
Bronco and I was like, what's going on. It was
a highway pursuit and.

Speaker 15 (48:43):
I was watching it.

Speaker 23 (48:43):
I had no idea what was going on. And finally
the cops got him. I was like, okay, And I
didn't know who OJ was. And then I saw the
trial and you know, as the attorney said, if the gloves
did not fit, he did not do it. You know,
the glove didn't fit, so he didn't commit the crime.
But I noticed that he was very active on X
on Twitter. He was very active to his fans, and
that was really nice of Ojay. You know, it's bad

(49:05):
that we you know, the sports field, and he made history.
He lost a great athlete. But it's also bad what
he did, what he didn't do. I get only God
can judge him, but yeah, you know, let oj rest
and Bernie, what are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
All right? Thanks for checking in, Poppy, Uh tonight, I
want to hear from the people. I kind of gave
my commentary at the beginning. I will only say this that,
based on what I've observed, whatever oj did before June seventeenth,
nineteen ninety four, in terms of his playing career, his
business career, his career as a media mogul, a pitchman

(49:39):
for hurts in movies, all those things is completely overshadowed
by these events. Based on the media coverage I'm seeing,
my prevailing thought was what would his legacy have been
if none of those things would have happened. It would
have been totally different. Scott in Houston, you are up next?
Where you got to? My friend.

Speaker 13 (50:02):
Hey, Berry.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (50:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (50:04):
What I remember mainly, Buddy, is I was living in Jacksonville,
Florida at the time, and I used to live in Houston,
so I moved to Jacksonville. Anyway, I remember the split
screen on the NBA finals.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Of games, right, right, that's right, Nixon, Houston, Bob Crosses,
go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 18 (50:27):
The split screen. You know, you're watching the ball game.
I think it was the first quarter and maybe the second.
By the second quarter, the split up pops your up pops.

Speaker 13 (50:41):
On the right hand side of your screen.

Speaker 18 (50:43):
The game gets smaller, and here's a white Bronco picking
up the other half of your screen, and you're wondering,
oh my god, what is going on now? And I
just remember thinking, you know, earlier in the day, I
think he was in Chicago. I'll go earlier in the week.
It happened on that this Sunday night, Right, the Sunday

(51:05):
previous of the.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Event itself took place on Sunday night, and No Jay
was on a red eye to Chicago that night and
returned three days later.

Speaker 18 (51:15):
Right, And if he wasn't guilty, why did you go
to Chicago lead bloody clothes in a in a in
a trash can there at the airport, and it was
the whole thing was just stunk from having from the
beginning as far as calling the.

Speaker 15 (51:34):
Copy races and all that stuff.

Speaker 18 (51:36):
And now Johnny.

Speaker 24 (51:36):
Cocker a good defensive lawyer.

Speaker 15 (51:39):
You know, he had the.

Speaker 12 (51:39):
Dream Team and that's that's what they do.

Speaker 13 (51:42):
They get them off.

Speaker 18 (51:43):
But uh yeah, I just remember that Friday night, Bernie.
The main thing I remember is watching my rockets and
all of a sudden the split screen comes up and
you're watching the Bronco YEP and a game at the
same time. We just surreal came up.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
In the press box too. Good good memories, Scott. I
remember watching the and like I said, it was in
the press box Friday, June seventeen, ninety ninety four, the
first time I ever had a credential. We're watching this
on the screen and there's no sound. I remember the
split screen coming up as well too, with with Bob Costas.

(52:22):
By the way, the dream Team. That's the first mention
of the Dream Team tonight. You know, Jay Monahan, Robert Kardashian,
Johnny Cochrane, they all passed. It's just this whole thing
is just beyond the norm in every every angle, you
could possibly imagine we're gonna get to all the callers. Gilberto,
you're up next, Linn, you'll follow eight seven, seven, nine, nine, six,

(52:46):
sixty three, sixty nine. We're just getting started. We're bringing
the crew on this as well. This is a monumental
event from a guy who had a very complex life,
and he had two lives. Really remembering O. J. Simpson
and your thoughts when you heard he passed hy Bernie Friday?
Were your line from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio, tirect
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(53:07):
the Bernie Frattle Show keeps rolling right along here Fox
Sports Radio. We're talking Oj. What were your thoughts when
you heard the news the other day? Want to get
to all these callers? I'll Gilberto in San Diego now,
I got to get to all the callers. Good Berta.
But I did watch the fight Salvador Sanchez tremendous punching
power with both hands, eight round TK and the poor knucklehead,

(53:28):
the poor guy died in a car accident a few
months later.

Speaker 25 (53:31):
Yes, yes, that was unfortunate.

Speaker 20 (53:33):
That goes.

Speaker 25 (53:33):
He lived in the fast lane, but he could have
been one of the greatest fighters of his generation.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Had no idea. Was that good? All right, we'll save
that for another show. Let's get to oj your thoughts
when you heard that, well, you.

Speaker 25 (53:48):
Know, finally he rested, He rest in peace. What he
what he did, he was, he was horrible. And I
remember the main thing that I remember, the you know,
the Bronco, the prosecution, then the trial. I was living
in LA during the Rodney King trial and the social

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pressure that the l a p d got and and
the you know, socially he was not gonna be found guilty.
The police sambled the whole thing. But his life became
hell after that, and I feel for his kids and

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his legacy. Like you said, I never saw him play.
The first thing that I remember seeing he was on
TV when he was on Monday Night football and then
the movies. But that was unfortunate. And when I when
I when I heard the news that he had died,
I got well, there was one person that was a

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great player. He was a very good actor, a very
good commentator that unfortunately did really bad thing and he
never paid for it, right, at least he never paid.
But you know emotionally, maybe he.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Did good stuff, Gilberto and of course just likely saw
the fight. On YouTube you can see a lot of
ojay highlights. Lennon Rodondo beat You're up next. Thanks for
hanging on hey, Bernie.

Speaker 12 (55:18):
It's always great to talk to you man.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 26 (55:21):
I appreciate just sincerity.

Speaker 12 (55:22):
Man.

Speaker 26 (55:22):
That's why I love listening to you, because you just
come across often in my mind.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Well that's thanks for the kind words. Lynn.

Speaker 13 (55:30):
Anytimes.

Speaker 27 (55:31):
Listen, Bernie, what I saw is a very charismatic person,
outstanding athletically, very gifted, nice looking man to get and
do anything he wants.

Speaker 26 (55:45):
But I also seen another side when the trial came
up at a driver thirty four years and I was
glued to the radio because that's all I can do
is listen to it. And I learned a lot about
law and I love Johnny Cochran even more after that
trial of what he did for all J. Without money,
oh J would have been toast. But let me tell
you this, Bernie, this is a guy. His ego was

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so big he could never get out of his own
way even when he did wrong.

Speaker 13 (56:11):
And then I didn't pass judgment.

Speaker 26 (56:14):
Boy, what I have myself deep down because I loved
OJ so much. Who wanted that beautiful Nicole Cinson Brown did?
Nobody in the world, probably, but Oj. Okay, now the way,
I feel very.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Very thank you for calling a very thoughtful perspective because
we have a complex human being here and like most folks,
some days you're blessed, some days you're cursed. OJ did
have a temper, didn't come out very often. But I
think you touched upon a point that because of his successes,
he was used to getting what he wanted. When he

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couldn't get what he wanted, he reacted in a way
that really shaped reshape the final thirty years of his life,
which overshadowed the first forty. If you look at the
media coverage, good stuff. Lynn Trevor in Oregon, I know
you're on Twitter, my man, it's sposwed nice to hear
from me. What do you got tonight for us? Hey?

Speaker 28 (57:11):
Thanks, Bernie, and man, you are the man. I just
got to tell you that I just love listening to you.
But I'm going to say what nobody is ready to say.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Good riddance.

Speaker 28 (57:21):
That's what the first thought I had. The man brutally,
brutally killed his wife and the guy that was that
was with her, and people can dance around it and
people can say he had a great career. Yes, it's
all true. The CTE angle actually is interesting. But I'm
not going to mince words. And that's the deal. He

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he got off. He got Johnny Crockord to say, you know,
the glove don't fit, you can't commit, you know, but
the man murdered people. And I'm convinced of that. And
I'm just going to tell you, like I think it.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Is, well and that's what hang on the line, Trevor,
That's what this segment is for the most boring poppy
check that the most boring conversations in life, certainly on
the radio. When everybody just agrees, you are probably speaking
for a lot of people who don't want to say that.
If you ask me, do I think he did it? Yeah,
absolutely absolutely he did. And I think what we try

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to do in these events is have more of a
broad based, panoramic three hundred and sixty degree view because
he had a seventy six year life and with the
final thirty years were completely marred by a capital crime
committed by the most famous person in history and quitted.
He was acquitted and that perhaps made the situation worse.

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Then he ended up spending nine years in jail here
in Las Vegas on another situation. So very complex life.
All right, you got the final word, Trevor.

Speaker 28 (58:50):
Okay, So I know the JUDGEDO was under a lot
of pressure, and Marshall Blackburn wasn't particularly competent, and you
had this tremendous team lawyers that that that took care
of business. It doesn't mean that he wasn't guilty. And
he committed an entirely violent and heinous crime. And I
believed he lived longer than he should have.

Speaker 13 (59:12):
I hope, I hope.

Speaker 28 (59:14):
I don't want to condemn anybody too, you know, I'll
just say it to hell. But you know, maybe he
made atonements. Maybe he did, you know, the right thing eventually,
I mean, after looking for the real killers on the
golf course and stuff. I don't know, but I you know,
I don't I.

Speaker 16 (59:34):
Don't wish anybody to go to hell.

Speaker 28 (59:36):
But I I believe that maybe where he ends up.
And I'm just going to tell it like it is.
He good riddance to Oj Simpson.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
All right, Trevor, thanks for checking in. Don't be a
stranger man, because I want everybody's honest, unfiltered opinion, and
that's what we do here. Dave and Phoenix, former Michig Gander,
welcome back in what's up man? Hey Bernie, how are
you doing well? Thank you?

Speaker 12 (01:00:03):
So.

Speaker 17 (01:00:03):
When OJ died, my first thoughts also went to Ron
and Nicole. I also remember August fifteenth, nineteen sixty nine,
OJ's rookie year with the Bills. I was ten years old,
almost eleven, and I saw OJ play an exhibition game
at Tiger Stadium against the Lions, and I just looked

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it up. I had totally forgotten that the score of
that game. The Lions won twenty four to twelve, and
about three months later I attended the Michigan Ohio state game,
which I've never forgotten because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Victory.

Speaker 17 (01:00:40):
Yeah, yeah, so that's interesting.

Speaker 12 (01:00:43):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:00:44):
I will say this, I despise racism of all kinds.
I hate racial jerrymandering and every other thing you can
think of, and I often condemn white racism. But that
doesn't mean that I should be out delegated to defend
Ojay or the people who cheered his acquittal, Nor do

(01:01:05):
I defend the people who have had such unwarranted hostility
to Caitlin Clark and Nicola Jokic. So I'm against that
kind of thing, no matter which direction it's coming from.
And obviously that was an incredibly divisive time in America
and obviously unnecessary because those were crimes that shouldn't have

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been committed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
All Right, Dave, thanks for checking in. We're going to
get to all the callers, Steven, Casey, Kyle, hang in there.
No one gets shut out tonight. We're going to have
the crew weighing on us as well. This is a
monumental event and a monumental life that was part fame,
part infamy. There was a racial component to this, and
the earlier caller I wish I could remember, want to
give him credit. I'm not sure if it was Lynn.

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In March ninety two, the Rodney King incident was caught
on tape and then the officers were acquitted. That really
set the stage for the for the oj trial. And
I was actually living in Orange County at the time,
so it was their front and center for what took place.
And so that's a whole other aspect of this whole story.
But main thing, when you heard he passed, this is

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an iconic individual who lived the last thirty years of
his life in infamy because of what happened. What was
your prevailing thought? Because it's hard for people to apparently
hold two thoughts concurrently on this one, even though he
had two lives. We'll continue on with this subject, but
first let's go back to our guy, Kevin figures with
the latest.

Speaker 11 (01:02:35):
All right, Bernie And In the NBA Friday Night, the
Suns rallied late to beat the Kings Oneway to one
seven to remain a game behind the Pelicans for the
sixth seed in the West. New Orleans defeated the Warriors,
while the Lakers held on in Memphis, so La currently
the eighth seed, while the Kings in Golden State are
ninth and tenth respectively, with one game remaining in the
regular season. Oklahoma City and Minnesota both won on Friday,

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as well. Denver upset in San Antonio, so there's a
three way tie for the top seed.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
In the Western Conference.

Speaker 11 (01:03:03):
In the East, who had wins for Miami, Cleveland and
the Knicks, who secured at least the top four seed.
In baseball, the Padres had four home runs in an
eight to seven comeback win over the Dodgers in LA.
The Cardinals blew a six run lead but held on
to win.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
In Arizona.

Speaker 11 (01:03:16):
Max Fried picked up his first win of the season
for the Braves. You had wins for the Rangers, Mets,
and Mariners, and golf. Max Homa, Scotti, Scheffer, and Bryce
and de Shambeau are tied for the lead at the Masters.

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
Tiger Woods won over.

Speaker 11 (01:03:28):
He did make the cut, while Jordan Spief, Dustin Johnson,
and Justin Thomas all missed the cut.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
Back to Bernie Freddo all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Right, Kevin, thanks so much, buddy. Back out to the
full lines. Stephen in North Dakota. You're up next your thoughts.

Speaker 13 (01:03:41):
Hello, this is an honor, Bernie.

Speaker 8 (01:03:44):
I thank you for.

Speaker 16 (01:03:45):
Taking my call.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Well, thanks for calling in.

Speaker 16 (01:03:47):
Steven and I got a couple quick comments as far
as the tragedy of the mergers, it is what it is.
I don't think we'll ever know the story, but I
agree with the one caller that said, who would want
who else would want to murder that woman.

Speaker 12 (01:04:00):
Or that man?

Speaker 16 (01:04:02):
Anyway? Then she rushed for two thousand yards in a
fourteen game season, which I think is amazing. Yep, But
I think he only played like in one or two playoff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Games, which is you know, that's all true with the
travel team.

Speaker 16 (01:04:20):
And then one other quick comment. I heard one time
that in La County or the surrounding area, during the
slowest speed chase, that was the most pizzas ever ordered it.
That's right at that particular time. That's what I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Yep, that great stuff. Yes, that's all true.

Speaker 16 (01:04:38):
Yes, yes, he played in one playoff game then, and
I think they they lost it too, probably huh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, Look he was on some bad teams in Buffalo.
He had to play in the snow. Uh and and
in the Look, you covered a lot of good ground there.
I like, I like conjuring up all these memories. All right, Steven,
thanks for checking in the night. Don't be straight man.
We do this every Friday night at midnight. Casey and Montana.
You're up next? Do we have Casey?

Speaker 13 (01:05:09):
I'm Kacy. What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
All right? Casey? You're on the air? Man?

Speaker 29 (01:05:13):
Hey man, So I heard the last guy.

Speaker 13 (01:05:15):
I've heard you guys. It sounds like an OJ support
group here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
I'm not no, no, no, not, I'm gonna let you talk.
You're gonna have plenty of air time. Not at all
this is a this is an open form. What I
want to do is cover with the story objectively. Continue on.

Speaker 13 (01:05:32):
All right, Well, I mean you know you said earlier
there's there's O.

Speaker 29 (01:05:37):
Jay's two lives. Well, there could be anybody. There could
be any two lives before.

Speaker 12 (01:05:43):
Murder and after murderer.

Speaker 13 (01:05:45):
There's two lives. Yet anybody could be.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
Pre murder or post murder.

Speaker 13 (01:05:49):
That's such a stupid thing to say. It doesn't make sense. Now,
come back, what you got.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
I'm not sure is that a question? You made a statement?

Speaker 13 (01:06:00):
Is a question?

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
What's your question? Specifically? Because I will, I will not
duck it. What's your question?

Speaker 13 (01:06:05):
All right, Well you made a statement earlier. There's a prey.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
There is Okay. Before June seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, OJ
was beloved as an actor, as a pitchman, and as
a former athlete. After that, we bel I was just
about to get to that. That's why there's two lives.
That's why he has the legacy he has now. And
I was quite clear in my opening monologue.

Speaker 13 (01:06:29):
Now I got a question, two lives?

Speaker 29 (01:06:31):
Are you talking about the two lives he murdered?

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
No, I'm talking about Oj the two lives he led
second one was as a pariah because I believe he
murdered two people.

Speaker 29 (01:06:40):
Yeah, so pre murder and post murder, everybody could have
two lives.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Well, not everybody murdered two people. That was a hall
of fame running back. So we're talking about a hall
of fame running back. But I appreciate you murdered, Casey.
I want you to me a favor. I appreciate your passion.
We do subject matter like this every Friday night at midnight. Okay,
save that aim material. Call in. Why don't hear from
you again? Kyle in Las Vegas very much, looking forward

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to what you got to say.

Speaker 7 (01:07:07):
What's going on?

Speaker 12 (01:07:08):
Bernie?

Speaker 30 (01:07:08):
First off, let me just say the two lives things
can be anybody, just like you said, but also it
could be Tiger.

Speaker 13 (01:07:15):
You know, we know Tiger pre.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
He didn't murder anybody though, Kyle, he didn't murder a
serious issue man.

Speaker 30 (01:07:23):
That's true, that's true, that's true. But to go to
the OJ thing. My most memorable moment for OJ after
the trial was the Memorabilius scandal, where he hired hitman
or thugs to rob somebody to get back some stuff
that he potentially either sold or didn't sell so for me,

(01:07:43):
cause all too young to remember the actual trial trial,
so I've watched his highlights.

Speaker 21 (01:07:48):
I know the man.

Speaker 30 (01:07:49):
He looked like a talented man from what I can
see from you know, old film and stuff like that.
But the most memorable thing that I remember from him
in most recent years was going to being locked up
here in Vegas for I want to say, like at
least four or nine years years when and then when
he got released. You know, all the love that people

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shared and showed to him afterwards showed that, you know,
he did catch many people's lives. Whether you like the
man or you didn't like the man, you know, it's
a part of life. He messed up, true enough. But
at the end of the day, you know, we have,
you know, a justice to uphold whether he was you know,

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he was proven beyond the reasonable with doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:08:34):
That he was innocent.

Speaker 30 (01:08:35):
But that's beyond the point. The man had, like you said,
two different lives pre and posts. At the end of
the day, OJ is OJ. He's always going to be
remembered as the juice. Whether you liked him or you didn't.
I know, the man for the memorabilia, all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Right, appreciated Kyle uh and of course you live here and
you're famliar with that story, and I just want to
I want to have Casey and Montana credit for one thing.
He said, what is this an OJ support group? No,
And if it's coming off that way, I don't want
it to come off that way. That is not what
this is about. The idea behind tonight's Midnight Hour topic
was to get the people who have observed this what

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their prevailing thought was when they heard he passed. Ninety
five million people watched the Bronco chase, one hundred and
fifty million people watched the trial. Nothing has drawn that
kind of attention and that kind of polarizing. I merely
indicated that there is an aspect of this, that there
were two lives. Because OJ was so famous and so

(01:09:36):
popular that no one could believe this could happen. But
it did. And that's why the last thirty years, I
don't want my words to be misconstrued, and I don't
want this, you know that overall opinion to be misinterpreted. Okay,
this is not an OJ support session. If you want
to support them, fine, I'm not going to dictate to

(01:09:57):
people what they say when they call into my show.
At the same time, I think there has to be
some objectivity, even though there really isn't. There's subjectivity because
it's subject to how you feel based on what's going
on in your life and how you perceived this whole ordeal. Uh,
Tony and Miami, you're up next. What are your thoughts tonight?

Speaker 7 (01:10:19):
I just wanted to I don't know. I know you've
interviewed and talked to everybody. Basically that's of any merit value.
I was in the same room for about a two
hour show. I used to manage the Improv comedy club
and Clicking at Grove about twenty years ago. Okay, he
came in with two you know streets, you know, a

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hooker as you call whatever ever you want to describe them,
one on each arm, and the It was a very
there's a weird kind of.

Speaker 22 (01:10:54):
Energy.

Speaker 13 (01:10:55):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:10:55):
The comedians don't want to say anything. This is twenty
years ago.

Speaker 21 (01:10:59):
This is after that.

Speaker 7 (01:11:00):
I want to take two thousand and three or four,
and the whole thing was bajok.

Speaker 21 (01:11:06):
He didn't really want to sit down.

Speaker 31 (01:11:08):
And he didn't want to get the table, but he
did order some drinks and he had this kind of
Bizarro mystique as he floated into Miami and then just
like burrowed out and people knew.

Speaker 7 (01:11:20):
They saw, they knew it. This was before you could
just start videotaping anyone in the middle of anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
But I know it's interesting, Tony, and I want to
get to the calls. I get the last word quickly.
But so you allowed him to stay there. I will
tell you there have been many incidents that I've been
privy to where OJ will come into a restaurant or
he would enter a club like that. They would just
ask him to leave. We don't want the negative attention,
and he would just leap anyway quickly. You got the
last word.

Speaker 7 (01:11:43):
Yeah, real, real quick though. My thing is, this isn't
a support thing.

Speaker 31 (01:11:48):
I will say I heard this internet thing take that
I've never heard before.

Speaker 21 (01:11:52):
And I know in another dimension you were one of.

Speaker 7 (01:11:55):
The greatest defensive attorneys of all time or pop stut
the attorneys. You got a deterring mind. And I will
say that I this notion in ten seconds was.

Speaker 13 (01:12:06):
What I heard.

Speaker 20 (01:12:07):
I believe he was.

Speaker 24 (01:12:09):
He had him and.

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
His wife had a drug problem. They were dealing, they
were doing and it was involved to cartel it's the
only way that that thing made any sense. Cartel took
care of the wife, and you know, Goodman, he pouted out.
They thought they were going to take him out, and
that's kind of the nut. Yeah, I want to hear
your your response they I'll let.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
You go, all right, Thanks, Tony. I don't know that
there's ever been any evidence to underscore that. I've heard
that theory, but I don't think there's any evidence to
back it up. But I don't know. I don't can't
get that grander tonight, Pete in Oklahoma City, you're up
next to my friend.

Speaker 15 (01:12:43):
Hey Verty, nice for telling my call.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Sure.

Speaker 15 (01:12:46):
Nineteen sixty eight, I was at the Niversity of Day
in South sunder cowgame south of Indiana, and this new
running back from Junior College and San Francisco was starting
for USC. He ran wild against an under day, really
put him on the back sports Hittells tried to just
fride during image of that game. He was the greatest
running back I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 20 (01:13:07):
A few years later, I.

Speaker 15 (01:13:08):
Was probably college age side in that game in the
snow go over two thousand yards and up until that
point in time, he was the greatest running back. I
had ever seen now the sad part of the story.
When I heard about his death, it was a revelation
to character. This guy he was not He just thought
he was above everything. He's OJ.

Speaker 20 (01:13:30):
I mean, if you sign up thirty for thirty.

Speaker 15 (01:13:31):
Series, I'm sure you have. You know they talk about well,
OJ's not white. I'm just not black. OJ's OJ. He
just thought he was above everything else, and he had
that small in his character and he couldn't be grounded,
and he took that, took those two lives, and that
will ever be Is this story unfortunate?

Speaker 12 (01:13:49):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Fair enough? All right, appreciate you checking in. Pete coming up.
We'll get to Fernando, We'll get to Chris. I don't
want anybody to get shut out eight seven, seven, nine
nine on Fox. I want to get to the crew
as well. This is a topic that has no easy
what I would consider to be a consensus. I'm Bernie Frattle.
We're coming you live from the Las Vegas Fox Sports

(01:14:11):
Radio Tyraq dot Com studios. Don't go away. You're listening
to the Bernie Fratt Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
I've made an executive decision because of the popularity of
this topic. We will spill past one am Pacific, the
midnight hour, because I don't want anybody shut out. We
got a lot of callers when I get to all
of it, and I still want to get to the

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crew as well. Fernando here in Las Vegas. You're up next.

Speaker 10 (01:14:38):
Yeah, Hey, Bernie, Yeah, I was. I was surprised about
O Jayson death. I had seen him in downtown some
of them here in Vegas in January, uh huh. And
I had talked to him for about maybe five minutes
or so, you know, talk about the old days of
the old USB teams and the Roseo teams of the
past and John McKay. And I didn't take no pictures

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with him or anything like that, because you know. But
other than that, I think people have to remember from
the get go he lived in Brentwood. The trial was
moved to downtown LA. It was supposed to be in
Santa Monica.

Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
That's right, Courtetistician.

Speaker 10 (01:15:21):
So if anybody gets a chance to read up on
that poll Wikipedia page and you see all more details
of everything, how everything was moved.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
All true. It's all true, all right, Fernando, I just
got to get to these cars, buddy, Thanks for checking
in again, Polar Bear in Cincinnati. What are your thoughts
on OJ when you heard he passed?

Speaker 12 (01:15:39):
Hey, Bernie, Yeah, well I just wanted it's going.

Speaker 20 (01:15:42):
To give up? OJ.

Speaker 12 (01:15:45):
It was a gte thing with OG. He wasn't a
bad guy. In nineteen seventy six, me and my buddies
were going to a Bengals game in Buffalo Orby and
it bot to tire out. Who was with my buddy
Scott and Bill run and he CoA J happens to

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pull over on SA Road and he pulls over and
asks if we need help, and we said yeah, And
he pulled out a Hurts won a Card card and
gave us a card with the Hurts number on it
so we could get us a real card and get

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ourselves to the game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
All I appreciate you to telling that story, Polar Barry
and underscores the prio J and even the post. I
know that everybody who's ever met him that he was
really nice to him. Thanks for checking in on that,
Daniel and Charleston. Your thoughts I OJ when you already passed,
You know.

Speaker 32 (01:16:49):
Hey, Bernie, first taking my call a bit anth lolling
before you had your own show. Thank you, But anyway,
mine was mine first thought was, well, that's over. You know,
it's almost indifferent. I was thirteen when he ran away,
you know, the Bronco and all that. I remember watching

(01:17:10):
it on TV and all that, and it just got
so much publicity.

Speaker 7 (01:17:15):
I got tired of it.

Speaker 32 (01:17:16):
And then he popped back up again.

Speaker 24 (01:17:18):
Because of the.

Speaker 32 (01:17:19):
Scandal and with the memorabilia, and frankly, I it was
almost indifference. I just I had become numb to hearing
about it so long, and then hearing all the jokes
and everything. It was just it was kind of the
end of the chapter for me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yep.

Speaker 32 (01:17:37):
I'm just curious if anybody else just kind of felt
that same way.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
I will guarantee you a lot of people feel the
way you just said. Maybe they just would rather not
share it, they'd rather keep it to themselves. But I've
heard thanks by the way for checking in, Daniel, it'll
be a stranger. I've heard a lot of pretty salacious
comments about the situation, and I think you can use
your own imagination to determine where I'm I'm going with that.

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Bill in Boston, You're up next. What are your thoughts
when you heard oj died.

Speaker 13 (01:18:09):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Okay, I can hear you Bill? Go ahead? Man, Hello, Yeah, Bill,
I can hear you here on the air. Can you
hear me? Do we have Bill? Bill heres, Bud?

Speaker 26 (01:18:20):
Can you hear Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
We're winding down, my friend? Go ahead, tell us what
you got.

Speaker 13 (01:18:25):
Yeah, I'm very sorry. Yeah.

Speaker 33 (01:18:28):
I want to say that my thoughts on OJ went
for some reason to my own father, and he died
about six months ago. And you know, I don't know
why I thought this way, but my thought I had was,
you know, is he going to be going to heaven
where my father is, who led his life in in
an exemplary way. I tend to think not that he's

(01:18:49):
going in the opposite direction. And those were my thoughts.
I don't know if he was a man of faith,
and I don't know if that's something that you can
forgiveness can be granted and there's a play for him
up there.

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
But I don't know. That was my thoughts.

Speaker 33 (01:19:03):
I thought of my I thought of my fox when
I heard about OJ.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Bill appreciate it. And we're not you know, this is
not a contest for anybody. This is not a We're
not great he gonna curve here. I want to know
what people actually felt. Right, my father just passed on
February eleventh. I can't say that my thoughts were what
bills were. But this is why we do this, Okay,
to get the thoughts from the people. And like I

(01:19:31):
said earlier, I want to give Casey I think it
was Casey in Montana credit. He says, what the hell
is this an OJ support group? No, it's not far
from it. But what we're trying to do is offer
people the freedom to speak their mind without being judged
or without being graded. We're going to spill into the
one am hour here in Pacific time, Fernando, Andrew, Chris,

(01:19:51):
you're getting back in. We want to hear what you
got to say. I want to hear what the cruis
got to say. Eight seven seven nine Fox. This is
a gentleman's life that people well, he's been in the
public spotlight for over sixty years, sixty of his seventy
six years. So you can't not not have an opinion
about this and somehow even related to your own personal experience,
as a lot of callers have done the night. So

(01:20:13):
we will continue on this ol J saga. What did
you think when you heard he pass? Keep it locked
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seventeenth would have been thirty years thirty years to the
day the infamous low speed Bronco chase, my first night
as a credential media member. An impact it had on
and obviously a lot of folks OJ passed the other day.
We've had opinions all around the map. We will continue.
And like I said, you know, with respect to that

(01:21:11):
event that night, if you'd have told me we'd be
talking about it almost thirty years later on the radio
with the same kind of raw emotion, I would have said, Wow,
what happened? And so we didn't know what happened that
night and now obviously we have the retrospect of knowing
what did happen Andrew in Bakersfield? What are your thoughts?
What were your thoughts when you found out that OJ
Simpson had passed?

Speaker 34 (01:21:33):
How are you doing? Just real quick? You're talking about
the two lives before and after, and I was just thinking,
I've heard descriptions of those brutal murders, and if he
did commit those murders, how much of that anger contributed
to him being a good football player. I don't know.

(01:21:54):
I never saw him play.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
But your thoughts, well, like any great athlete, you've got
to switch. You have to have a lot of testosterone
and a lot of energy to compete at that level.
But real, real quickly, and again, he was not perfect.
I mean there were other incidents of domestic violence where
the cops were called to the house. But I'm just
trying to we could spend twelve hours on this. I'm

(01:22:19):
just trying to figure out. I was shocked when I
heard he died. I didn't. I didn't, right, I mean,
he just gone on social media February eleven, said the
rumors about me aren't true. I feel good. Wasn't true?
He had apparently he had cancer. So just real quickly, Andrew,
what were your thoughts when you heard he died?

Speaker 34 (01:22:37):
Kind of indifference and then you know, kind of thought
of the murders and maybe that's it. I don't know
what to say fair enough?

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
What be Andrew? I appreciate you called a lot, and
I appreciate your calls. Ron in New York, Thanks for
being patient. You're out next.

Speaker 15 (01:22:57):
Hey, thanks for having me on. I'm glad you readdressed
your platform. What are your thoughts when you heard about
OJ Simson, because really what spurred me on was that
one guy who called and said, what is this an
OJ sensors support group? You know, because that confuses things
for people just tuning in, and but you know, get

(01:23:19):
right to the point of my question here, Hey, I
felt like he led one life, and everyone lives one life,
not two lives. What we choose to do in certain
situations that come upon us, and even what the environment
we in when something come upon us happens. You know,
I do feel that.

Speaker 26 (01:23:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Well, the reason I said that, Ron, hang on the line,
you don't go anywhere, Ron guy said that is because
he lived his life, almost his entire life, in public.
Not many people have that, and that's why I said
his first public life was out of an athlete, a
hall of fame athlete, an actor, a pitchman, and the
rest of his public life was an infamy. And by

(01:24:00):
the way, and I know not everybody can listen to
the entire show, I set it up at the very
top of the show, ron I was quite clear that
what we wanted to talk about tonight. I didn't want
people to analyze the trial or the events or what happened,
but what their needs. Your reaction was continue on.

Speaker 15 (01:24:17):
Yeah, it's just that, you know, I feel sad that
it happened that way, that it's being leaned towards. Most
of the public guys sees him as a bad person.
I don't know if he did it or not, but
I gotta do admit that I'm leaning more towards that
he did. He maybe chose the wrong thing to do

(01:24:38):
at that time, but you know, I'm not going to
harp in on that because he wasn't quitted, and you know,
he's just another person just like us, despite him being
the superstar and all of that stuff, because you know, hey,
I see it every day just living in the hood.
Some good people may make the wrong decisions at the
wrong time, they go to jail, they may not live whatever,

(01:24:59):
you know, but it's it's sad that because he is
a superstar that it's being leaned towards and uh, yeah,
he had a double life.

Speaker 7 (01:25:08):
You know, No nobody has a double life.

Speaker 15 (01:25:10):
It's just you know, it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Was sad again the main thing they're running. I appreciate
you checking in. The main thing there is. This is
an individual who lived his life in the public eye
going back to nineteen sixty seven and not not many
folks have that kind of tenure. Appreciate your thoughts around.
Appreciate you hanging on and checking in on the Bernie
Frider show. Man Well and Guardina, what's up Man Shane's action?

Speaker 21 (01:25:34):
Okay, in the chain reaction, we'll burn burn. That's what
I was trying to attempt to get off the other
night when I called you a ben mauded, I knew
that that's that from your song. That's a disc inern.

Speaker 24 (01:25:52):
So it was it was comical hearing that collar like
two callars ago. I know he's your boy. You gave
him props.

Speaker 20 (01:25:59):
That's cool.

Speaker 15 (01:25:59):
You know he's a.

Speaker 24 (01:26:00):
Supporter, so that's good. But if OJ did it, my
man Ray, Charles Stevie, wonder any other Jose Policiano. They
all know OJ did it. In today's world of forensics,

(01:26:20):
even that super team, the dream team of you know,
buying the jury that wouldn't win off. But you know
as well as I do, Bernie. In nineteen ninety four,
it was a different world, and allegedly OJ was acquitted because.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Man, I don't know well, he was acquitted and there
was an overwhelming evidence and DNA evidence it pointed right
to him, but the jury felt there was reasonable doubt
that was introduced. And hey, listen, we can live in
the world at ought to be or live in the
world it is. I choose to live in the world
it is. You know, it's a big poker game. You
got to take the hand and you're dealt and played

(01:27:00):
it instead of wishing for a different name. Manuel, you
always got good stuff. You got the last word.

Speaker 24 (01:27:05):
This guy, so Oj, he was an American institution.

Speaker 15 (01:27:10):
He was a ball player.

Speaker 24 (01:27:11):
Twos and yard er right, I mean before Eric Dickerson
and in twelve games right for time. I mean, the
guy had the world in his hand, you know, a superstar,
commercials media beloved and the saddest part of the stories
that he threw it all away to be a woman

(01:27:32):
beater who in the end took the life of the
woman that gave him children. And in this world, man,
that's that's just unsatisfactory in every way of shape and form.

Speaker 16 (01:27:46):
So I mean, Oj, you know, rest in peace.

Speaker 24 (01:27:49):
He deserves the rest in peace.

Speaker 16 (01:27:51):
But he was not a good guys, right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
I'll always always appreciate you check it in man. Covered
a lot of good ground there, Kelly in Ashville. You
are up next your thoughts on this whole ordeal. Hi, Bernie,
how are you great? Thank you?

Speaker 24 (01:28:08):
I think to me.

Speaker 35 (01:28:10):
And I don't know if anyone said this already or anything,
because I'd just got in my car on my way
to work.

Speaker 12 (01:28:14):
But.

Speaker 35 (01:28:17):
I think the sad it would just made me sad.
I guess when OJ died because as someone who in
high school, I remember watching The Chase, like we all
sat down in our choir classroom and turned the TV
on and watched the Chase, you know. And I think
the saddest thing to me is that there's a whole
generation of people that are younger that just will never

(01:28:39):
remember Oj as a football player.

Speaker 15 (01:28:41):
But as a punchline.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
It's true. That's a good way of putting it. He's
essentially become a punchline, no way around that. Appreciate you
checking in, Kelly, Chris in Lancaster. Don't typically do this,
but you want to do complete a thought.

Speaker 22 (01:28:58):
Go ahead, Yeah, Ernie, thank you for taking my call again.
And Kelly Hello. But what I wanted to say is
with the CTE, his brain is probably the most valuable
of football players, because I do believe before the concussion

(01:29:21):
protocol and anything that has happened after O. J. Simpsons
has been well documented. Now we can go back to
OJ Simpson's brain and maybe get some cognitive information to

(01:29:41):
what drove him maybe to do what he did.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Well, I think we know that. I think we know
what happened. The passions who were inflamed, the emotional passions
were inflamed of a man who no longer could have
the woman and he was used to getting his way.
But I think your points your points to and Chris,
it's not a situation where you can rule it out.
It's not a zero. If I'm being honest, it feels

(01:30:06):
like a bit of a stretch. But what do I know.
I appreciate you weighing in, Chris, and I know you
call typically on the Friday night midnight now and I
appreciate it. I can't not do the rest of the
show without letting the crew. I got to hear their thoughts.
Is you get a show like this about once a
year where something takes over and justifiably sol you got
to give people what they want. This is a polarizing subject.

(01:30:29):
This is a man, and people have miss construed my
analogy of OJ had led two lives. He was a
public figure. Okay, I don't know about other people that
led two lives. Maybe they didn't, but this man was
a public figure who had the world by the tukus
Kevin figures. Let's hear what you got to say. I
want to hear what you got to say about this deal.

Speaker 11 (01:30:49):
I'll echo the sentiments of what a few other callers
said that when I found out that he passed away,
I was sort of indifferent to it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
And maybe it's because of the generation I grew up in.

Speaker 11 (01:30:58):
If you are of a certain age, and if you're
i'd say between your mid thirties to probably even early forties,
you were a child when the OJ Simpson case was
going on.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
You don't even remember O. J.

Speaker 11 (01:31:07):
Simpson as a football player or this great charming media figure.
All you know is there was a controversial trial, obvious
racial undertones, all of that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:19):
He became vilified after that.

Speaker 11 (01:31:21):
In the subsequent years, he had the Las Vegas situation
where he had to steal his stuff back, went to
jail for a little bit, and he started making all
these Twitter videos where as someone mentioned one of the
previous callers, he became just a joke and a bit
of a punchline. I think there's a lot of people,
depending on what generation you come from, and I think
I'm part of this generation.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
That's mostly what you associate him with.

Speaker 11 (01:31:41):
I understand and recognize, and I have seen highlights and hearing
stories about how phenomenal of a football player he was
for USC and for the Buffalo Bills. But for the
most part, I remember him, as you know, for the
most part, someone who basically got away with double murder
and really joked about it, to be honest with you,
fairly openly, and a bunch of jokes about it in
the subsequent years, and became a bit of a punchline

(01:32:04):
and it kind.

Speaker 5 (01:32:04):
Of a vilified figure over it.

Speaker 11 (01:32:06):
So I understand when people say, you know, living a
double life where there's two lives to him, and I
do agree with that to a certain degree, you know,
because there was the beloved you know, media figure and
football player from who could do wrong from years earlier,
and then the second part of his life where he
was pretty much vilified.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
So I certainly understand the sentiment.

Speaker 11 (01:32:24):
But as far as I'm concerned, I mostly know him
from the murder trial, being acquitted and becoming a punchline.

Speaker 5 (01:32:29):
So it's unfortunate when anybody passes away.

Speaker 11 (01:32:32):
But if you believe that he did what he was
acquitted of doing, I'm with you, Bernie. If you ask me,
I believe that he did it as well. I really certainly.
Maybe it sounds kind of harsh, but I necessarily didn't
shed any tears over it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Well, you covered a lot of good ground, Kevin, and
I think that it was comprehensive what you just talked
about there, because he did become a punchline, and you
touched on something that's been in the background and that
we haven't talked about tonight. In the complete apparent lack
of remorse for thirty year from oj I never felt
any remorse whatsoever if if it was there, I you know,

(01:33:08):
you sure didn't show it. In my view.

Speaker 11 (01:33:10):
He wrote a book saying, if I do that, yeah,
you know, I'm more here, different, much more disrespectful can
you get than that?

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I want to sell you something funny and just between
you and me, Kevin, don't tell anybody else at nineteen
ninety Okay, I was there for I saw the whole
thing right, everything, And by the way, I encourage anybody
to do a YouTube Ojay he was incredible running back.
He would have flourished in today's game. So this got
so crazy in nineteen ninety five that apparently I think

(01:33:42):
oj might have been part of this. They put out
a nine hundred number and says, call this number if
you have clues as to who murdered Nicole Brown Simpson. Right,
So I'm sitting around the office with a couple buddies
of mine. I said, we got to call the number.
And because they were saying, yah, there's one hundred thousand
dollars reward if it leads to the arrest of the
you know, the culprit. Right, I called the number and said, Uh,

(01:34:04):
it was O. J. Simpson. Where do I collect my money.
I couldn't resist Kevin. I couldn't, so they made a mockery.
And you know, look, you have to hold people that
know me and have listened to my show over the years.
I try to hold multiple thoughts concurrently. You can't tell
this story without telling the whole story. And I heard something.

(01:34:24):
Maybe this will give some people perspective. I heard somebody
on the radio another show. I'm not going to mention
their name, say for people who don't really understand the
gravity of his popularity and how when you juxtapose this
double murder birth to who he was before he committed it,
which I believe he did. If it were to if

(01:34:46):
you were to quit that with an incredibly popular athlete
today who was also dominant in the sport, imagine if
you heard Shaquille O'Neil did the same thing a year
from now, that might give you some perspective. You got
to be kidding me. Everybod, bod, hey lift shakill. Are
you sure that no? This doesn't sound right right? That's
how much oj was beloved, oh even maybe more so.

(01:35:07):
More so he was even maybe more iconic, and the
one in the Heisman Trophy. Everybody loves Scheck all right,
really good comprehensive stuff, Kevin, and coming up I want
to give I want to give Mark, and I certainly
want to give you in their day in court as well.
See what I did there. By the way, thanks to
all the callers. We don't have to agree. This was
not an OJ support group. When people tune in and

(01:35:27):
too nut of the show, it's almost impossible not to
lie listen somewhat selectively. But I preface this by saying
I wanted to hear what people thought when they found
out he passed. And why is this an event for
me that has such importance Because my very first night
as a media member Friday, June seventeenth, nineteen ninety four,
and in the press box of Tiger Stadium covering the

(01:35:48):
Blue Jays Tigers. But we were our minds were anywhere
everywhere else but Blue Jays Tigers, because we're watching this
slow speed chase on TV with no sound and we're like,
what in the hell is going on? You had to
be there to believe it. And thirty years later now
we know, and I appreciate everybody who took the time
to check into I coming up well here from the
rest of the crew. I'm Bernie Fraddle. We're a company

(01:36:10):
of life from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio, tirect dot
com studios. Keep it locked. Listen to the Bernie Frattle
Show Fox Sports Radio. All right, back on the Bernie
Fraddle Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to your live from
the Tarrat dot com studios here in Las Vegas. I
want to give Ian and Mark their chance their day
in court. See what I did there. Obviously, tonight's show

(01:36:30):
has been dominated as well it should be, by the
passing of OJ Simpson, a highly polarizing figure. All you
know all about it by now. So what were your
thoughts when you heard he passed? Ian RODDI you're up first.

Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:36:43):
So for me, I'm at the age where I have
only known OJ Simpson the murderer, you know, or you know,
the guy who got away with murderer. There was no
you know, running back and like you know, I wasn't
around when the news drop in that that slow car
chase was happening. So for me, obviously he's a huge

(01:37:05):
prominent name that you know that that's that's regardless. But
for me, I woke up to the news on my phone.
I got in a notification from the Athletic. I read it,
I put my phone down and I went back to sleep.
That that's what I did. I had to be honest.
I didn't care too much, and it's it's I mean,

(01:37:26):
I I I wish I could go a little more
into detail on that, but but the fact of the
matter is, yeah, I think it wasn't something that that
really touched me that much. And he's never really held
that big of a part in my life other than
oj Simpson the guy who got away with murder. But
I will say that, you know, to Kevin's point earlier
and yours too, Bernie, that he has kind of just

(01:37:48):
become like a punchline at this point. One of the
callers said that as well. I think it is funny
to see like the reactions from people online. It's like
I saw one reply on Twitter that had me laughing.
It was like, oh, in peace, like you know, I
know somewhere he's smiling up at us.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
I thought that was so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Well, you know what to see, that's part of it, man,
that's part of it.

Speaker 5 (01:38:09):
When you that's a pro to meet.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
When you're accused of murdering two people and you basically
left a blood trail right back to your house, and
there wasn't any other credible suspects. And his behavior is Look,
if you just found out your wife had been murdered,
are you gonna get in this Bronco chase and head
towards Mexico with money on you and a gun and
all that kind Are you gonna Are you really gonna

(01:38:32):
do that?

Speaker 13 (01:38:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:38:33):
Well you never know. I mean, I know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Know I'm not doing that. I'm gonna use every contact
I have to find the real killers. You don't have
to comb every golf course, Sorry, could? I think it'd
be an honesty and you don't have to really have
a reference point for this. And I hear you, man,
And that's part of this whole deal. Well.

Speaker 19 (01:38:50):
One more thing though, that to add though, is also
to Kevin's point about how he's kind of made light
of it in the fact I do. I have seen
clips like there's this one video that's kind of been
going around since he died, making the rounds again where
he was on some I don't know if it was
CBS or NBC, some interview and he ended it afterwards
just some like his idea of a joke and he was.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
The knife yes, with the knife and he's like, ll
kill kids. What are you doing? What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Well that that wasn't a good look.

Speaker 5 (01:39:19):
Was no, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Most of his behavior after the accusation and after the
night of June seventeenth a roused suspicion, right, That's all
it did, was a suspicion, Mark Ramsey, I know you've
got some good thoughts on this.

Speaker 13 (01:39:34):
Well.

Speaker 36 (01:39:34):
The first thing I thought about was a graduation party
that I went to, and you know, we had the
the rockets on and there was something, oh there was
I'm not sure if there was a race on, but
there was also a soccer.

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
Game on at the same time.

Speaker 36 (01:39:53):
And then I just thought about, oh, Jay's kids for
a second, when they were little and then now they're
grown ups and now they're dad has died. And then
I thought about the Goldman family what they might be
going through, just the thought that OJ is dead and
those couple of things. So that was just the first
things that I thought about. And then I thought, well,

(01:40:14):
and the whole scheme of things. He sort of got
away with something, but you know that's something that I
could do about it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
He did in terms of not being incarcerated.

Speaker 36 (01:40:26):
But my first thoughts about it just about his kids,
the Goldman's about a party that I went to, and
just those other memories that obviously come up when you
think about all the stuff that happened during the OJA times.
Now I am old enough to know about him as
a football player, being on the Buffalo team, and as

(01:40:48):
the great highlight of him as a very very muddy
game and he runs runs, and he falls and slides
and gets back up and finishes the run. So this
that's the whole memory of OJ as a football player,
and then being a sideline a reporter, you know, for
the games, and then all of his hurts, commercials and

(01:41:11):
all of his movies. So those are the things that
come to mind when you think about OJ when he died.
When I heard about him being dead, the wow, there's
the end of that, and just those basic memories came about.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
I'm glad you brought that up, Mark, for the simple
reason that the lives that were affected, Ron Goldman, the
Goldman family, the father, his sister Kim, and then of
course OJ's kids, Sidney and Justin. They were little when
they happened. They're a cute kids now they no longer
have their mother. I've never been able to really reconcile

(01:41:44):
how they must have processed this or what kind of
conversation OJ must have had with his kids. This did
not happen in a vacuum. It deeply affected people on
a personal basis. Again, thanks everybody for checking in. We
had some interesting thoughts. There is no consent and nor
will there ever be. Coming up, we do have Chris

(01:42:04):
Profests World of Soccer, but first we go back to
a guy Kevin Figures with the.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
Latest all Right and Bernie.

Speaker 11 (01:42:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
All right, Kevin, great stuff is always well, we're gonna
switch gears. We've been talking mostly OJ, and OJ made
his bones as a football player before he was an actor.
There's another type of football, spilled futbol. We call it soccer.
Around the world, it's known as football. And there's always
plenty of news. Things are really starting to heat up. Now.

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That's why we bring you Chris Perffett's World of Soccer.

Speaker 9 (01:43:38):
The greatest goals, the thrilling finishes, the international drama.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Bien.

Speaker 37 (01:43:54):
It's all here in this report from the world of soccer,
big news on both sides of the Atlantic. This week
in the World of Soccer, Bernie, we're going to be
taking you to England and also to the United States.

Speaker 38 (01:44:06):
To start out here, Let's start with the English story.
Let's talk about Liverpool, who has been on the verge
of trying to win a new Premier League title. Is
the final year for their manager Jurgen Klop As we
enter this weekend, Liverpool sits in a tight race with
Arsenal and Manchester City to see who will hold on

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with about seven eight games to go here in the
Premier League season for most clubs. But those title hopes
were kind of put on hold a little bit after
the big Sunday match we had last week between Liverpool
and Manchester United, where Liverpool grabbed a very early lead
thanks to Luis Diaz, only to watch them fritter it away,

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giving up two goals to Manchester United until their superstar
Mohammed Sala came back in the eighty fourth minute, scoring
a penalty kick to equalize and thankfully Liverpoo walks out
of there with a point, but they lost their chance
really do stand alone on the table and instead still
sit tied with Arsenal and man City one point back.

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That's all coming into this weekend. Things will change, obviously,
It's also coming on the heels now as we look
to this coming weekend of a thrashing Liverpool took in
UEFA Europa League.

Speaker 5 (01:45:24):
Now, as a reminder, if you're not familiar.

Speaker 38 (01:45:26):
With YUEFA Europa League, European international competition for clubs goes
in multiple tiers. The Champions League is the top one.
It's the one we all know. More on the Champions
League in a second. But Liverpool took a three to
zero thrashing on the first leg to Italian side Atalanta
in the Europa League not one. I do not think

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they will be able to come back from that. Said,
as rough as it looks between those two games, between
the man U game where they could have had three
points that is settled with one and getting thrashed for
a trio by Italian side Atalanta, they are looking to
this weekend, a little sore, a little worse for where
they're playing here on Sunday against Crystal Palace. Hosting Crystal Palace. However,

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I don't think this is a terrible thing if they
get thrashed in the Europa League. Europa League is not
something that I think Liverpool has their eyes on. They
should focus on the Premier League this time of year,
especially with the top clubs. It's easy to get lost
between the international side of things and the and the
club side of things the domestic flight. So Liverpool should

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just kind of punt on the Europa League if they can,
and just whatever they get next time they play at Alanta,
just take what you can get. The Champions League has
been utterly fascinating and we've had some very interesting road
wins here, especially Barcelona stealing the game two three at

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Paris Saint Germain and draws between Arsenal Bayern, Munich, Real
Madrid and man Manchester City setting up for second legs
that will be very, very shocking. The only club here
to really pull out a win in the Champions League
was at Letti Coo Madrid two one over Barussia Dortmund.
Hard for me, however, to count nortonund out especially at

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this point. Either way, what it is setting up for
is a second leg week coming up here that will
be incredibly thrilling in the Champions League and we cannot
wait for that. But if you want to talk about
those kind of priorities, think about Arsenal who drew level
with Bayern Munich there. Think about Manchester City, who drew

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level with Real Madrid in these first legs. They too
are the other ones fighting for the top of that
Premier League table. Where will they allocate resources? How much
dress can their biggest stars get? Can they juggle all
of these things? These are all important things. Manchester City
has a lot of experience juggling these, especially last year
with how many trophies and titles they won. Arsenal not

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quite so as much. And Arsenal here, someone who was
so close to winning the Premier League last year, just
to watch it fall out of grasp. And now from
one's Champions League to another, let's move to the CONCA
CAFF Champions League. It is played between the clubs of
the North American region and tremors really coming out of

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Inter Miami and a sound thrashing they took in the
CONCA CAFF Champions League to Mexican side Monterey. It ended
their Champions League run. For inter Miami, they bow out
in the quarterfinals, and it's something that I think deserves
a little bit of attention because really in both legs,

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Monterey thrashed Inter Miami five to two on aggregate, and
even with Leonel Messi, inter Miami did not look the
side that we've kind of expected them to be. Now,
I don't take anything away from their MLS tour. I
don't take anyway from their season as that unfolds, but
I believe that the rivalry between the United States and

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LEAGA MX really there is a talent difference here that
is still at play. And indeed, someone who agrees with
me is Inter Miami's coach, the legendary Tata Martino, who
blasted MLS over the roster rules for his team's inability
to compete at the same level as Liga MX. That

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was his quote. He is saying that American teams are
simply tied at the hands on various rules and cannot
really compete with the Mexican clubs, and this has underscored
a situation for MLS and their Board of governors to
figure out things now. On Tuesday, they did meet and
they've approved changes to some of these roster rules. There's

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a lot to get into. MLS rules are very labyrinthian.
There's a lot of stuff about designated players under twenty two,
initiative signings, general allocation money teams receive when players transfer
out the league. One of the things they tried to
get to talk about but couldn't get in was something
called a Legends rule that would have allowed flexibility in

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retaining long term veterans, but that was not passed either way.
The point is that the MLS has a lot of rules,
a lot of things that govern what you can and
cannot spend money on for players, and in a lot
of ways it is handicapped this league to being able
to compete, and I think, to be honest, it is

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handicapped this league in presenting a product on the field
that can be enticing. In the wake of Leonel Messi
coming to MLS, the MLS has to be encouraged, their
owners have to be encouraged to spend to attract big
stars from around the world to play and to have
great world class squads. And with a lot of the
rules in MLS. As Martine has pointed out, it's simply

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not getting done. We've talked a lot on this segment
about how MLS has to strike while the iron is
hot while they have mess, and part of that is
getting rid of a lot of these rules, making it
so that clubs can go after stars, go after talent,
and make world class clubs. Until that time, it keep
expecting the cream of the crop of MLS to keep

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getting thrashed in champions leagues in CONCA CAF by Mexican
sides because the Mexican clubs are fantastics. Some of them
are have some of great play and really MLS needs
to step their game up. That's it for the World
of Soccer this week, Bernie. We'll see you next time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
What was that name, Tata Ortiz? I tellya you know,
we've had Early Holland and over the years. In this
future we are introduced to new and fresh names. I
have to keep on the lookout for that one because
they have a way of resurfacing. Chris Purfett's World of
Soccer coming up. We wrap up the show, believe it

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or not. There's one more day left in the NBA
regular season, and then Tuesday, it all starts up again.
You know that little event that Lebron wanted the creator
fired over, Well, Lebron better think is lucky stars that
they didn't fire the guy, because third year in a
row looks like the Lakers are headed back into the

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playing game. And I bet, even though they've had it
for three years now, you're not one hundred percent sure
how the whole darn thing works. So I will give
you a quick refresher as we wrap things up tonight
on The Bernie Frattle Show. And look, I had the
Saturday Show be back on these airwaves Saturday night, eleven
pm Pacific. I am Bernie Fraddle. We are comedy live

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from the Las Vegas Fox Sports Radio Tirack dot Com
studio is keep it locked. You're listening to the Bernie
Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right, we are
wrapping it up on The Bernie Frattle Show company live
from the Tarrat dot Com studios here in Las Vegas
Fox Sports Radio. Before I go any further, I think
my broadcast team back in Los Angeles. They've been with

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me since eleven pm Pacific time. I'm on Friday night.
Mark Ramsey, my technical producer turning all the dials, keeping
us glued together. Kevin figures on the updates, Molly Wap
and the updates, and of course our executive producer, Ian Roddy.
Thanks great job, Manny. And the phones we got like
twenty eight calls tonight. And I appreciate people's thoughts. I
appreciate our cruise thoughts, a great amalgam of thoughts. What

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were your what was going through your mind when OJ
died the other day? And look, this is a let
me let me put it to you this way, because
there are some things that maybe didn't come up tonight.
I want to get this off my chest. If you
don't think this was a big story, I was there
when it was covered, Okay. June seventeenth, nineteen ninety four,

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the Bronco Chase completely dominated all sports coverage and all
news coverage. And that was on a day. It's not
like nothing else was happening that day. Legendary golfer Arnold
Palmer played his last round ever at the US Open.
That day, the World Cup opened in Chicago, right here
on American soil. The New York Rangers hockey team celebrated

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winning the Stanley Cup for the first time in forty years.
The New York Knicks were playing in Game five of
the NBA Finals against the Houston Rockets when someone brought
up and by the way, Ken Griffy Junior that day
tied Babe Rude for the most home runs hit before
the All Star Game. Now there are all kinds of
things going on yet, and someone else brought up about

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the pizzas. Yeah, Domino's Pizza reported record sales of pizza
delivery during the chase. People were glued to the TV.
They didn't want to go anywhere, they didn't want to
miss anything. It was a record night at the time.
I mean, this was a good three to four hour
hour deal. And look and then even afterward, OJ made
the statement, you know, while he was in the Bronco,

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he was not running from the law. However, when Al
Collings pulled into O. J. Simpson's driveway and the police
were waiting for him, the sun was setting. Simpson was
holed up in the back of the car. Police stayed back.
They wanted to avoid They didn't know what they were
dealing with because there were thoughts that OJ had a gun.
And when he came out of the Bronco, and he

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said he wasn't running right, but he was holding family photos,
nine thousand dollars in cash, a fake go tee and
a fake mustache, with a bottle of makeup adhesive receipts
from a beauty spore sore. He had a passport and
a gun. Wh why would he need all those things?
All right, I don't want to go down this road anymore.
I appreciate all the people who took the time to

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call in obviously a very polarizing subject. And like I said,
I think you've got to hold You've got to hold
two thoughts concurrently, because he lives his entire life in
the public eye. The first, you know, coming from the
time he was coming out of high school in San Francisco,
his time at USC, through his time in the NFL,

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and is a pitchman and as an actor that span
twenty seven years or so thereabouts. That was one half
of his life as a famous icon. The second half
the last half thirty years in many circles of pariah.
And that's just the way, that's just the way it is.

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I'll be back on these airwaves Saturday night at eleven pm.
And one of the things we'll be talking. It will
be the eve of the final Sunday in the National
Basketball Association. And what's interesting is the way they've created
the scheduling. Now there are almost like pennant races. If
you're Kevin's update, with some of the upsets that happened

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Friday night and Denver losing all of a sudden, you've
got a tie. You seem presumed that Denver would just
simply be the number one seed in the West. Not
so much. The Lakers get a win, they're pretty well
locked into the play in game, and they're gonna probably
have to win two games to make it to the
actual play offs, but they might not have to play Denver.

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We're gonna have to see they all full SLA games
on Sunday. And there are still some things about the
NBA that just rankle me a little bit. You know,
the Boston Celtics had fan appreciation Night and none of
the five starters started. I mean that that minutes as
wrong as rain on your wedding day. It just doesn't

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sit right with me. But be that as it may.
So real quickly with the NBA playoffs and the play
in games set to start Tuesday, don't get caught napping
on how this works. This is the third year they've
done this, So here's how the play tournament works. Once

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the seven and eight seeds are determined in both conferences,
and the nine to ten seeds are determined, you'll have
four teams in each conference and seven through ten they'll
enter the play in tournament for two seeds. And what
will happen is if you're one of the top six seeds,
you automatically qualify for the playoffs. No, remember Lebron wanted

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whoever came up with this idea fired, well, thank his
lucky stars, the guy wasn't fired because the Lakers have
been fixtures in the play in Tournament the past two
years and they will be this year, although they've done
pretty well. Last year they got to the conference finals,
so well. The way it will work is this, You'll
have the seventh and eighth place teams. They'll face each

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other for the right to represent the playoffs as the
number seventh seed. So the seventh and eighth place teams
will play and the winner you're in. You'll have the
number seven seed. Meanwhile, the ninth and tenth seeded teams
go ninth and tenth place teams, they'll face each other

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in another playing game. The loser of that game, goodbye,
you're out. The winner of that game lives to fight
another day. So the winner of the ninth and tenth
placed teams we'll face each other. They'll check that they'll
face the loser of the seven and eight seed, and

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the winner of that game will be the proud recipient
of the number eight seed in the NBA. So there
you have it. If you're a seven and eight seed,
win the game you're in, lose it, you got a
second chance. Fight at the Apple. You play the winner
of the nine to ten seed game, and that winner
will get the number eight seed. If you followed all that,
maybe you're better than I am. We'll see what happens.

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I like the way the NBA has done this now.
It's outed the level of intrigue and made these final
few games in the NBA a little bit more important.
It's going to do for the Bernie Frattle Show back
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