Brian Noe and Jason Martin talk QB landing spots and NBA Playoffs!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Jason Martin, good to be with you, Bud so No
Kawhi Leonard in La. But the story is the Clippers
are leading by twenty four points in the early going
of the second half as Dallas has not shown up
offensively at all ice cold all game long. This is craziness.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
It is look neither one of these two games to
start today have been particularly good. But yeah, you anticipated
this one. At the very least it was going to
be more of a shootout because Dallas was gonna keep
on shooting, which they have been. They just can't make anything.
I mean, Kyrie ees three of eight now they're into
the third but Doncic has thirteen points on fourteen shots.

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That is not going to get it done. And it
looks as if like if you were just to look
at the score, you would think that Kawhi has to
be playing, and that is that is not a particularly
positive thing to say if you're a Mavericks fan.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, no, not at all. And rough we see this
all the time in the regular season, right We'll see
a team that's down a star, maybe it's load management,
maybe it's an injury thing, and the other team they
might have a matchup advantage like crazy on paper. And
in the regular season, we'll see the team that is healthier,

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that has the matchup advantage, that has the personnel advantage.
They just aren't focused and they go through the motions
and they get beaten. But you don't see this as
often in the playoffs. This is Game one on the road,
and Dallas comes out as if they're like, no, Kawhi,
We're good. It's almost like the NCD tournament were like

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the fourteen seed advances and you're like, nice, we're in
the sweet sixteen, and you don't show up, You're not focused.
That's the way Dallas has looked all day today.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I mean they have and I'm still kind of
I don't even know if I would call it wait
and see on Dallas because I just don't think they
are built to be a particularly great playoff team. I
just don't because I think they're too streaky. I mean,
you would expect that donci Is is gonna get his
but I just look at it and think they're probably

(02:32):
not long for the playoffs. I don't know. I just
don't know about their makeup generally. But again, they can't
shoot like this. I mean, this is it's almost unwatchably
bad at this stage of the game. I mean, it
feels already over, even though they do have the firepower
to try and potentially get back into it. But if
you just look at the efficiency numbers and the plus

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minus ratio between the Clippers and the Mavericks overall, it
is disgusting. Like you've got three of the starters on
the floor for for Dallas with at least a minus thirteen,
so you got a minus thirteen to two minus nineteen.
So then on the other side you got plus fourteen
plus sixteen, plus twenty one plus twenty plus fourteen, and
two guys on the bench including Russell Westbrook. Might I

(03:13):
add plus fourteen and plus fourteen like you're getting from
Harden and Russell Westbrook in this game, you have thirty
three points. You only have five from Paul George and
you're up sixty one to thirty nine. The stats do
not indicate just how badly Dallas has looked in this game.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, right, that's if I just gave you part of
the information and said, hey, no, Kawhi, we're about three
minutes into the second half, Paul George has five points.
What do you think the score of the game is.
You're definitely not saying, oh, Clippers ahead by twenty two.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I probably would say Dallas is up like fifteen.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, I know it, and it's it's just been a
complete swing there. As you said, just ice cold from
the floor and Dallas they're thirteen for forty five. They're
shooting at a twenty nine percent clip.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Nice cruising three for nineteen from beyond the arc two
brutal bit.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
And the thing with Kawhi Leonard is the question becomes
when do you get him back? He missed the final
eight games of the regular season. I love this description
from the Clippers. He's got stubborn and unpredictable inflammation.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
That's that right there is the most I mean, that's
just Kawhi Leonard, like, that's not about I mean, actually,
you know what, you can add inflammation to it too.
But all of what you just said could actually just
be on his Wikipedia page and that could just be
the description of him overall. I've never heard a better
descriptor of Kawhi Leonard in my life than the sentence

(04:47):
you just read.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, right, no doubt it's the knee inflammation, but stubborn
and unpredictable. Yeah, it's more of a Kawhi thing than
the inflammation. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean it's weird. I mean, this stuff with
Kawha is just interesting anyway from so many Like there's
that possibility he might play on the Olympic team, And
we were talking about this last night and it was
just if you're a Clippers fan, how could you watch
that with a straight face? Like, if he can't play
for my team in the playoffs, then he needs to
shut it down. I don't need to see him in
the Olympics. Put somebody else in as the twelfth man.

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Can he at least play the crucial games for my team?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, that's a rough deal, because man, you think about
that with Yannis, we wonder when we're gonna see Yannis
in the series against the Pacers if at all he's
got a calf strain, and man, that's really dicey when
you start getting into that territory. And it hasn't been
that long. Yanni's just missed the final three games of
the regular season, so when is he able to go?

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And then when he's playing in the Olympics. I get it.
As a Bucks fan, you might be like, Eh, he
couldn't play for US, but he's played for his country.
It's a rough deal. Is Jimmy Did Jimmy Butler make
the Olympic team as well?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
That's a good question. I need to look that up.
I'm not sure I want.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
To say he did. I should know that, but we'll
get that to you. I think he might be on there.
But yeah, that's that's tough, man. I get it if
it's one of these deals. And listen, Jimmy Butler is
an absolute warrior. If Kelly Ubray just lands on his leg,
there's really nothing you can do about that. I don't
think any Miami Heat fan would be reasonably bent if

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he's playing for Team USA and not the Miami Heat.
But uh man, that's a that's a rough deal with
uh No, I don't think he did make it. So yeah,
we don't have to worry about Jimmy Buckets and the Olympics.
There we got let's see your front, your your backcourt.
You've got Staph Drew Holliday, Halliburton, Devin Booker, Anthony Edwards

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who was tremendous yesterday. And then you're looking small forwards
Tatum and Durant, and then you're bigs. You're looking at
Lebron ad Embiid out of bio. So no, Jimmy don't
have to worry about that. We can cross that off
the listening.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I mean they still I mean as much as like
Jimmy Butler, I think they're gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, I think they're gonna.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Be one one would think. I think just the roster
seems like it stacks up pretty well with the rest
of the world.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, I would think I would favor them over you know,
like Latvia or you know, Grease. I'll take Team USA
over there.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
But we got a twenty nine point game like this
is just pathetic, that's.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Brutal, man, that's I stayed away from the end game
betting Jane Martin. I think it would be proud of
me there because I'm like, the maps can't stay this
ice cold, and I'm like it was plus eight and
a half in the first half. I'm like, no, I'm punting.
I'm not interested in that whatsoever. And it looks like
probably the right way to go. Anything else NBA playoff wise,

(07:43):
that has really stood out to you, that's interested to you.
I loved Anthony Edwards and his performance. He went crazy
for the Timberwolves and trash talking Kevin Durant, who was
his favorite player of all time. That was a fun moment.
There haven't been great games as of yet, but the
Denver comeback last night against the Lakers was pretty good,

(08:06):
pretty entertaining game, but nothing just incredibly captivating just yet.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
No, Yeah, I mean it's real early and these series,
I think go on forever. These playoffs, it feels like
they never end.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
It's a lot of good basketball. So get you get
to now, you get to kind of see stories within
all of these different series. The things that stood out
you mentioned Edwards, that would probably be my number one
takeaway from yesterday. And just on the flip side, I
was not a fan of the Sun's move originally to
get Durant because I felt like They pretty much sacrificed
one half of the floor, the defensive side of the floor,

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because they had to get rid of their defensive depth
in order to acquire a guy who did what Devin
Booker already did. And then they got Bradley Beal, who
another guy not exactly known for his defense. And then
when they go out there last night and they're not
even scoring well, but you Durant still got thirty some
and they get blown out of the game. That's just
a failed experiment. I look at that, it was just

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they're gonna they're one and done. They're not getting out
of that series. I don't think it's just I can
understand why you would want to acquire Durant, but sometimes
you have to look at the rest of the team
makeup and say, well, does this fit what we want
to do, or do we have to change everything to
fit this guy. And the only way you want Durant
is if you're getting rid of Devin Booker somehow, or
you're getting rid of somebody else. At the time, it

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was happening because when you acquired him, Brian, you were
acquiring him to win now, and not only did you
not win last year, you're not gonna win this year.
He's getting older, and he has a ton of basketball miles,
not to mention some pretty considerable injury history as well.
It just doesn't look too good for the Suns at all.
And you look at the rest of the West, they're
getting younger while you're getting older. I don't. And the

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same thing's true in Golden State, same thing's true with
the Lakers. It's very much and very clearly a change,
a sea change in the makeup of the NBA and
who's the top and who's not.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Man, and you look at kd it hasn't been great
after his Warrior stints, no, you know, and I hate
that he had, you know, the big toe on the
line with the long two against the Bucks. Who knows
how things shake out if they're able to survive that series,
because the Bucks went on to win a championship there,

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but that was some bad luck. But the rest of it,
the body of Warwick has been really bad for Kevin
Durant's teams in the playoffs after his Warriors stint there.
And look, man, the people that keep pointing this out,
you have a stronger lake to stand on. The more
that the playoff disappointments moued up and that was just

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game one. You lost game one on the road. It's
gonna be possibly a longer series. And Devin Booker, he's
not going to shoot five for sixteen throughout most of
these games in the series. But that was a stinker,
There's no doubt about that. And when you are looking
at the realistic possibility that another Kevin Durant playoff team

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is one and done, on top of the other disappointments,
he's a fantastic player. He dropped thirty one last night,
but man, the team results have not been there.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
J mart No, definitely not. And then you also mentioned
the Lakers, and look, they played a great half, but
unfortunately there's four quarters, so you look at the third
quarter and all of a sudden, Denver kind of woke
up and just took the game. And at that point
the Lakers didn't have answers, and that team again, it

(11:31):
looks like last year what we saw from them, and
I think we all were pretty impressed with what they
were able to pull off at the trade deadline and
just kind of rounding out that team and making the
best of a really bad situation. But I also think
maybe because it's the Lakers. Maybe we gave him a
little too much credit because we forgot that the rest
of the league was also trying to improve itself. And

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you look at some of the other teams in the
West and what they did in the offseason and who
they got back from an injury, like a home ger
in Oklahoma City or something like that, and then you
start to realize, yeah, the Lakers, the Lakers are a
better roster than they were, you know, two years ago,
But a lot of other teams are too, And that
becomes the problem. It's like, did they really get that

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much better if everybody else got better around them? Because
if they didn't take another step higher than another team,
what did they really do? All they did was keep
pace and not drown like they were just treading water
at that point in time. I'm not sure that we
looked at that and maybe we gave them too much
credit because I looked at that roster last night and
I just felt like, man, I felt like they had

(12:34):
more depth last year than maybe they did. They definitely
don't right now. They just outside of those two guys.
And sometimes you can, really you can look at an
Austin Reeves and feel pretty good there. But like Russell
and some of these guys, I just don't buy into it.
I don't believe in it. I don't think they're a
thread at all.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, you really saw. I know we focused on the
star players as we should, but that game last night,
it showed you the difference in role players because more
or less, listen Ad and Lebron both played great. Jokic
with sensational Jamal Murray had a good game. I think
the stars essentially canceled each other out with the production.

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If you just look at what everybody did, it was
it was pretty much canceling each other out. The difference
was the role players, right like when D'Angelo Russell was
freaking brutal man, he's six for twenty. It was one
for nine from three point range. If you get more
from D'Angelo Russell, you're right in that game, that's a
possession maybe two possession game late and maybe you're able

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to scratch one out. But he just was a no show.
And you look at Michael Porter Junior played well, Aaron
Gordon provided some punch, you know, KCP, he got you
twelve points. You know, it was just the others as
the TNT guys point out a lot of times it's
the role players. Denver had the edge last night. There's
no doubt about that. Hey, we're gonna have a ton

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Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'm Brian, No, he's Jason Martin here on Fox Sports Radio,
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I love the NFL draft rumors. This is a great
one here, j mart So.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
I can't wait to hear this. I'm not sure I've
heard this one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
This is according to Jacob Robinson of The Athletic and
he writes if the Vikings see Drake may fall to
number three, I believe they'll send three firsts to the Patriots,
including number eleven, number twenty three this year and their

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twenty twenty five first round pick. What do you think
about that? For the Vikings not.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
To move up.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
We see a lot of mock drafts. Hey they move
up to like five for JJ McCarthy. Jacob Robinson has
them moving up to three to get Drake May. What
do you think about that?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I think it would be a mistake. That's just my
I mean, I was actually talking last night about Drake
May just kind of not being talked about much at
all in the last handful of weeks, Like it's been
the JJ McCarthy hype train show and then you've met
some other names, certainly I mean Ja, But now it's

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like it's a it seems like a foregone conclusion. Jayden
Daniels is now going before him. We already knew about Caleb,
but before the season, it was all about Caleb and
Drake May. Those were the two guys that you heard about.
And I wondered what we were going to say at
the end of the year because I didn't think Drake
May was going to have a particularly great year at
North Carolina because of the team around him, and I

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just I watched the team it was just like, there's
not that much there outside of him, and as good
as he can be from time to time, I don't
think they're going to be a factor. And if they're not,
what are we talking about at the end of the year. Well,
we weren't talking about Drake may. He wasn't in the
Heisman conversation. He was out of the mix, and because
his name wasn't Caleb Williams, there wasn't as much to say. Generally,
the recent history for North Carolina quarterbacks that are highly

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touted coming out of college hadn't been good either. Sam
Howe may have stayed in school a year too long
because the year before it seemed like his stock was
higher than it ended up being Mitch Trubisky, we saw
somebody go up and get him and that did not
work out particularly well for them. I think I was
reading this. I think it was ESPN actually, But there

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was a there were a couple of economists many years
ago that basically crunched the numbers to find out basically
that if you go up, if you actually go up
to get somebody in the draft, you're making a mistake.
Based on statistics throughout history that it doesn't generally work. Okay,
I've got in front of me right now. The economists found,
for example, the probability a first round player starts more

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games than the next selected player at his position is
just fifty eight percent and fifty three percent across the
entire draft. And there's a lot of other things that
go into that, but the overconfidence is kind of what
the article was referencing. And I look at this and
just say, I mean, just Drake May that good? I
don't think so. My bold prediction last night with Aaron

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Torres was I actually and maybe I'll be nuts. But
just because of the hype and the way guys have
been talking, and especially one article I read Brian at
the thirty third Team, which is Mike Tannenbaum's kind of
home at this stage outside of ESPN, the God was
crunching all this film, watching film that was a longtime scout,
and he was looking at Drake May and he said,

(19:04):
you know, here's what I see about Drake May. There's
some good throws, there's some really bad throws. And this
is what we said. This is not a quote I
think you want attributed to you. I see a lot
of Daniel Jones energy no, how to Drake May talking
about his athleticism, has talked about too much, it's overvalued
for what it's gonna be, and that the way he
throws reminds him of Daniel Jones. And I look at

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that and everything else, and I mean, there's a lot
of rumors that we're gonna hear this week. They aren't
going to come true. But I actually my bold take
was I thought somebody would jump up and take McCarthy
before Drake May. Wow, because it just seems like that's
how it's been trending. So I can't imagine the Viking.
Can you imagine giving up three first round picks for

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not even the top quarterback? And I look at May
at this point, it's just I just don't think the
numbers are that high for him. He's not some transcendent
generational talent. We certainly don't think.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I listen, get the price tag being steep. There's no
really steep. That's really steep with three first round picks.
But if you got let's just play this game. Let's
say you get him and Drake May as a rookie
to work with. He's got a head coach in Kevin
O'Connell very bright. He's got Justin Jefferson to throw to,

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He's got Jordan Addison to throw to. He's got a
tight end in TJ. Hockinson to throw to. You're cooking
with grease. They picked up Aaron Jones from the Packers,
so that's a capable offense. I'm not expecting, you know,
we can't expect the next quarterback up to be c J.
Stroud immediately. That was just a special season by c J. Stroud.
But let's say they have a decent season. So you

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give up the number eleven pick and probably two other
picks in the twenties. Again, that's a lot of compensation.
But when you put Drake May in that offense, I
think that it could absolutely work. I totally understand that
you don't want to give up that much, but hey man,
when you're where the Vikings are and you're trying to

(21:04):
get one of the top quarterback prospects, that's the cost
of doing business. I think it'd be interesting if you
look at both teams, who would you rather be? Would
you rather be the Vikings who trade up? They trade
three first round picks to get Drake May at number
three overall, or would you rather be the Patriots who
pass on Drake May at number three overall and you

(21:25):
move down, you stockpile more picks. Time will tell, but
I'm higher on Drake May than a lot of people.
I don't know what it is where it just seems
like it's the off season of looking at the warts
of Drake May. Every quarterback has a downside to some capacity,
but it seems like it's been harped on more with
Drake May than some other quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I mean, I don't disagree with that, but maybe there's
a reason for it. The thing that would bother me
or worry me is, you know, the Patriots need a quarterback,
and they need a franchise quarterback. They need a guy
that can be there for them for the long haul.
If they trade out of three when May is sitting there, yeah,
then that means they didn't evaluate May high enough. Because

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if they're then going to say, well, the difference between
May and X quarterback is this, so we're willing to
do this, then what does that say? I mean, one
of those teams ends up being very wrong in that estimation,
one would think, because if the Vikings then had stayed
where they are and the Patriots quarterback at eleven, for example,
if they were to move back in that spot, if

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he ended up being better then what you would get
from Trake May at three for example for the Vikings,
then it would just seem like, boy, what a horrible
decision that was. So I don't know, but I also
know that the Vikings absolutely have to get a quarterback
in this draft, and they're gonna take one with their
first pick. And I say that as a Denver Broncos
fan that holds the pick right behind them that doesn't

(22:52):
have the same level of capital to offer in terms
of those kind of picks this quickly. Now, could they
offer two first in coming years? Yes, And I've seen,
you know, several people suggest that that's exactly what they
are going to do. And then I've seen I don't
believe this, but saying there's seven or eight starting quarterbacks
in this draft that coming from the Broncos front office.

(23:15):
I don't buy that. I don't think that's true. But
if that's how they evaluate it, then it's deeper than
we think. But we're seeing increasingly people say in the
top four picks are going to be quarterbacks. I asked
this last night. But how many how many times, Brian,
do you think that the first four picks in the
NFL draft have been quarterbacks?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I don't think it's ever happened.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's correct. It's happened three times, one two, three, But
it has never happened one two, three four this It
seems crazy to me that it would be this year
when you I just McCarthy, the McCarthy May thing. One
of those guys has to drop in my estimation. But
we'll see. Maybe maybe this is the year where that's
going to happen. I just there's gonna have there's I

(23:57):
think there's gonna be some massive maneuvering going on early.
There's gonna be some teams that are just gonna try
something in terms of the quarterback room. I see that
the Patriots might draft might trade out of three, so
maybe that is the spot for Minnesota. I just think
giving up three first rounders to get Drake May seems
like that just seems like you are wagering an awful
lot on something that I just are all the scouts wrong,

(24:21):
that there are some major flaws here that you know
there's gonna be room, and you wish he would have
another year or a year to sit because he's not
gonna have any time. If he goes to Minnesota, he's
gonna start immediately, and I don't know, you know, I
don't know if that's the best scenario for him.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, Yeah, I love the rumor that would be. That's
a great major move. Yeah, the Vikings jump up to
number three overall, make a deal with the Patriots and
they get Drake May. We'll have some more draft stuff
for you here. First, though, Kevin wired to spin us around.
What's going on, keV? What do we need to be
aware of here?

Speaker 7 (24:54):
Bud Well, The number one thing going on right now
is Kawhi who to LA Clippers, despite not having Kawhi
Leonard absolutely demolishing the Dallas Mavericks.

Speaker 6 (25:06):
It's ninety to.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
Seventy two with eight and a half minutes ago in
the fourth quarter, as La getting contributions from James Harden.
He's five to nine from beyond the three point line,
seven to fifteen for the game. That's good for twenty
three points if it's a zoo box a double double.
Twenty points, fourteen rebounds. Paul George Forriz Park also with
eleven points. Russell Westbrook coming off the benches five of eight,

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shooting thirteen points overall. In the Dallas Mavericks, it's been
the exact opposite game for them.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
Kyrie Irving has come on strong in this second half.

Speaker 7 (25:37):
He had a really quiet first half, but Luka Doncic
twenty five points, twelve rebounds. Besides those two guys, they've
gotten almost no help whatsoever as PJ. Washington nine points
for the game, but you got Tim Hardaway with six
points and.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
A couple other guys with three.

Speaker 7 (25:54):
It's really been a rough going at it for Dallas,
as they've shot just thirty eight point two percent for
the game. With that's an improvement over what it was
earlier in the first half of just eight to twenty seven.
Also an improvement from where it was as a eight
of twenty seven for three pointers for the game. So
far Celtics and Miami, he won fourteen to ninety four.
Boston wins this one going away as Jason Tatum a

(26:17):
triple double twenty three points, ten rebounds, ten assists. We
had several guys contributed for Boston double figure scores, include
Derek White, he had twenty points for Boston. Jalen Brown
had seventeen Sam Howser off the bench, had twelve points
on four to six from three point christophs Porzingis eighteen points,

(26:38):
even Al Horford ten points.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
He's turning back the clock.

Speaker 7 (26:41):
He had four of eight shooting as Boston takes a
one to nothing series lead in this best of seven
first round. In the NHL Capitals and Rangers at Madison
Square Garden, they got thirteen minutes left in that contest,
the Rangers ahead in this one, three to one. It
was an all Sunshine State affair in the first game
of the day Eastern Conference First Round Game one, Lightning

(27:03):
and Panthers, as Florida wins it three too, although they
did take a three to one lead late in the
game before the Lightning unmatched it so the Panthers in
command for much of that contest. Coming up later at
seven o'clock Eastern time, Avalanche will face the Jets up
in Winnipeg Major League Baseball several games going on right
now as we speak to Dodgers man taking out their

(27:24):
frustration on the Mets here in this third game after
dropping the first two, they're up ten to nothing against
New York at the end of the fifth inning. Blue
Jays and Padres tied at two. They're in the six Giants,
leaving the Diamondbacks two to one at top of the six.
In San Francisco, Rareners and Rockies. Yeah, coors Field, believe
it or not, they're still scoreless through almost eight innings.

(27:45):
They're in the bottom of the eighth inning with two outs.
But yeah, they say, no lead is safe at coors Field.
But no humid or must be doing its work today
because no score. And they do have another game coming
up after this later tonight eight o'clock Eastern. The other
game coming up this evening, the esp In Sunday night
game Rangers and Braves, seven o'clock over in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's you, guys.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
keV Brian No and Jason Martin with you here on
Fox Sports Radio. You know you mentioned this, Jason, You're
a Broncos fan. We've talked about this extensively. But what
are you hoping for, right like first round quarterbacks to
get all this JJ McCarthy news and rumors, and what
are you realistically hoping for?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I honestly don't know. I hope they do. I mean,
like I think that I've resigned myself that you know,
the bow Knicks thing I guess is out there because
there's a comparison to Drew Brees in some ways, and
maybe that would fit what Sean Payton wants to do.
I have no idea McCarty like going up to get McCarthy.
I just think McCarthy to use that Daniel Jones of

(28:50):
energy thing we did earlier. He's giving me some Zach
Wilson energy, just in terms of the height. It's not
not how he plays or who he is or anything
like that. Attitude and Noily, I like everything I've seen
from JJ McCarthy. The thing I don't like is I
haven't seen enough football from him. I haven't seen enough
of him having to go win games. And I am

(29:13):
skeptical of all that i've heard, just that all of
a sudden he's going to be all world. It just
I don't buy it. Not at this stage. I need
to see more so to go up and get him.
I just can't imagine that. If you're Denver So then
you're looking at Appenix, or you're looking at maybe again
a bow Knicks or a Day two guy or somebody

(29:34):
you know a little bit further down. They've got to
have somebody I don't think you just come back out
with Jared Stidham and somebody you don't expect to be
a starter for you down the road, Like I don't
think that you can do that. There's nobody else you're
gonna be able to go and acquire at this stage.
So I tend to think that they're still going to
find a way they do. If they want to wager
a little bit more of the future, they can get up.

(29:55):
But if they go up for McCarthy, I'm gonna, you know,
cross my fingers and be optimistic about it. And then
in the back of my head, I'm gonna say, boy,
I hope this is not another disaster, because it could be.
That's again, quarterbacks come at a major premium right now,
and I just don't know if trading up at this
stage for those guys is worth it with with just

(30:16):
how many of them don't get it done. It's just
the hit rate is like twenty percent for quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Man, that's my thing with man with JJ McCarthy to
move up and the price tag for him, that's And
think about this too. Compare the price tag for where
the Broncos are if they move up to get JJ McCarthy.
We know it's gonna take a ton or if they're
able to get bow Nicks later in the draft, like

(30:41):
completely different price tags, right, And do you see the
gap between those two quarterbacks being the same, because I don't.
The price tag is way different than the separation. I
don't even know if JJ McCarthy is clearly separating himself
from bow Nicks. There's a lot of you know, I

(31:02):
don't know, like uh, like guestimating if you will, Like, hey,
he's on an undefeated team and hey, they ran the
ball a lot and relied on their defense. And it's like, yeah,
we get it, but how how does guestimating help you
sleep better at night?

Speaker 3 (31:18):
You know?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Chris purfets on the show with this technical producer and
he said a few minutes ago, he's like, this guy
played at Southern Myss. We'd never be talking about him.
That's right, and it's true. So yes it is, man,
if I'm a Broncos fan or one of these teams
that moves up to get J. J. McCarthy, and that
is a significant price tag, yeh, I don't know, man,

(31:40):
especially the Broncos, who are you know, draft capital strapped
as it is.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, like you'd better be you better be absolutely positive.
It can't be ninety nine percent and I and I
saw this argument in the same article I was referencing
earlier from ESPN and they were discussing going up and
how it doesn't work Astley if you look at it
by the numbers, like you'll hear the you'll hear the
GM after the factor. The coach when they're being interviewed
say yeah, man, we had to go up to get

(32:08):
our guy. But that's what everybody's gonna do. I mean,
everybody's gonna say that same thing. We had to go
up because he was our guy. We had to go
get our guy. Well, I know he's your guy. That's
why you wagered assets to go get him. Like you don't.
You don't have to say that. I don't look at
dij McCarthy say he's our guy. Like again, I would
cross my fingers and hope that it turns out great.

(32:30):
And again, I really like him as a young man
and everything I've heard him say in his competitive streak
and what people say about him, all of that is positive.
That don't win games, though, Like I needed to see
more of him at Michigan. Not having that defense, that
offensive play calling, and that ability to run the football.

(32:50):
He just he wasn't called into into duty that often.
Now when he was, he made He made a couple
of outstanding plays in the Ohio State game and a
couple of big time he throws into college football playoff.
But it's gonna take more than that in the NFL, Like,
it's not going to go that well, it's not going
to go that easily for him. He is actually going
to have to do a lot of the heavy lifting

(33:11):
from the quarterback spot. And I just haven't seen enough
to feel that good. And I don't care how good
his pro day was, because that stuff's not transferable.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, to me, he reminds me more of Mac Jones,
just from this standpoint.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Sure remember yeah, sure, that's a good comparison.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
When Mac went fifteenth overall to the Patriots. Remember they
didn't move up and he just fell to them, and
they were like, well, you know, it's worth the risk,
let's just take him here. I feel the same way
about JJ McCarthy, where if he fell to you and
you didn't have to move up to get him, I
understand why a team would do it, but to move up,

(33:49):
you know, seven spaces, but you know eight spots if
you will right to get that guy and knowing the
price tag. Man, I don't know about that. I know,
and I don't want to shut the door. I've said
this many times. I don't want to shut the door
on the possibility that he could grow and be a
good pro just because he wasn't asked to do a

(34:10):
ton in college. Some people have made that jump, right
j Mart where they're like, well, he can't do it.
It's like, well, we don't know that for sure. He
just wasn't asked to do it. But what I know
is I don't feel comfortable moving up and paying that
price tag when I haven't seen it yet. But there's
probably going to be a team that does it.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Oh yeah, there will be. And that's the point, like
he absolutely could be that guy. He could be, but
no one has evidence to prove that that's going to happen.
And I don't mean that from the standpoint if we
don't know what these guys are going to do in
the pros. We didn't see evidence of it in college
because he didn't have to do it. They went undefeated,
but they could have gone undefeated with other people at

(34:50):
quarterback than him, based on the way that the team
was set up and just the way college football was
built last year. That's my issue.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, now I hear you, hey, coming up what might
have been? We always talk about the teams that miss
out on the players. If we flip that around, how
about a player that missed out on the team. We'll
throw that your way right around the corner. He's Jason Martin.
I'm Brian Know. Hang with us right here on Fox
Sports Radio. I'm Brian Know. He's Jason Martin here on

(35:22):
Fox Sports Radio. We're coming to you live from the
tire rack dot Com studios. So NFL Draft, we are
in an NFL draft mode over here, j Martin. I
love this. I'm a pig and slop when it comes
to ball and I was just I read a bunch
of draft stuff and there is something I ran across

(35:45):
where it caused me to flip what I normally think, right,
I normally think about teams that miss out on the players.
Think about last year, Carolina very well could have missed
out on the better quarterback and c J.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Stroud.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
That's the way looks so far. But if you flip
that around and look at the player who might have
missed out on the team. Right what does it look
like if Bryce Young goes to Houston and CJ. Stroud
goes to Carolina. It might look the same, maybe it
looks different. I will never know. But if you flip

(36:21):
that around and think about the player who missed out
on the team, is there a better example than if
you go back to the twenty twenty one draft the Niners.
They jump up to number three overall, a lot of
rumors they're gonna take Mac Jones out of Alabama, and
they didn't. They took Trey Lance. The rest is history.

(36:41):
Think about where Mac Jones in his career is right now,
he fizzles out in New England. What if he was
drafted by San Francisco. Are we looking at Mac Jones
similarly to how we look at Brock Purdy right now?
I think there's a great chance that's exactly what we're
talking about right here, right now.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I think it's a really good point. It absolutely does
matter where you go and what situation you're walking into,
not even just whether or not it mixes with your
play style, but just if it mixes with anyone's play style, Like,
what is it toxic. What is the quality of the environment.
I mean, I think that you could, if we really
had time, we could go through the last twenty twenty

(37:22):
five years of the NFL and look at dysfunctional franchises
and look at guys that you know, just fell through
the cracks because there was nobody. There's no development, there's
no consistency. There was like a revolving door of offensive
coordinators in the case of like a quarterback for example,
something like that. The mac Jones thing is interesting because
there was there seemed to be a like, at least

(37:43):
a reasonable floor for mac Jones. I don't think the
ceiling was particularly high, but the floor wasn't like the
bottom of the barrel. And even in the first year,
you know, they've made the playoffs before they got boat
raced by the Bills, but there was a positivity around
mac Jones, and it dissipated real quick that second year.
You know, I don't know if it would have been

(38:04):
exactly the same, but Shanahan has won with a number
of guys that haven't really done much elsewhere. I mean,
let's see when games A CJ. Bethard, He's obviously we've
seen what he's done with brock Party. He's done this
with a couple of different guys. There's no reason to
think that he wouldn't have done pretty well with mac
Jones now, And I think that's a I think the
larger point is are we blinded in the way we

(38:27):
analyze and the way we view people historically and we
don't take into consideration these other factors, Like, boy, what
a perfect situation brock Party walked into. If brock Party
had gone to New England, Yeah, nobody'd know what a
brock Party was, man. So I mean, I do think
that I think there's a lot there, Like there's a
whole lot that you can unpack, and then you could

(38:48):
start to look at this draft and say, well, who's
going to be the quarterback that goes to the team
that can't handle him, that doesn't know what to do
to help develop him, or that's just the wrong environment,
and that guy's not going to have a shot.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, right, Like you look at the teams that might
be in the range to move up, you know, you
look at say your Broncos, the Vikings, the Raiders. There
are worse situations to go to, Yeah, for sure, quarterback. Right,
Like we talked about Minnesota what they have and Justin
Jefferson TJ. Hockinson, it's like, Okay, I show up a

(39:23):
Day one rookie and I have DeVante Adams as a target.
You know, with the silver and black. It's pretty good.
Absolutely it is. And man to rewind and go back
to your point, wasn't it the rookie of the year?
Chase the offensive rookie of the year, And it came
down to I think it was Jamar Chase who overtook
Mac Jones at the very end of that season. I

(39:45):
believe that's the way it went down. But Mac Jones
was right in line to be the offensive rookie of
the year. His career got off to a pretty good
start and then it just fizzled. And a lot of
it had to do with the lack of talent around him.
You put him in that Niners offense this whole time.
J Mart, He's still a Niner. I guaranteed he is

(40:07):
not on his second team right now? Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Let's stay with the Patriots and talk about him again.
Next hour to open. How about their old coach?

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah right, A lot of news with Belichick and maybe
a little Robert Kraft sprinkled in there. We'll get to
that right around the corner. He's Jason Martin. I'm Brian No.
Keep it locked right here on a Sunday FSR.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Hope your Sunday is going better than it is for
the Dallas Mavericks, even though they tried to make it
a little interesting late. They're gonna go down oh one
to the Clippers. His name is Brian No, Mine is
Jason Martin. This is Fox Sports Sunday. You can hit
him up on X at the No Show. You can
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it's almost over. B I'm actually surprised Doncic and Kyrie

(41:15):
have been in this long. Like it didn't like it.
They chipped away at the lead a little bit, and
now they've gotten it to like twelve or whatever. But
it just seems like I don't know if I want
that much mileage on Lucas tires in a game that
feels like it's a lost cause, especially his Maybe I'm
off base there, but I think they've played enough. It's

(41:35):
not like they're going to be rusty. If you're not
gonna win this game, I don't want to risk an
injury in a long series.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
No, I hear you, Man, in forty two minutes, that's
a heavy workload for Luca Kyrie right around thirty nine,
when I mean, what were the odds that they were
going to claw their way back and actually win the game?
Slewmed to none, But yeah, a lot of wear and tear.
I think they can handle it this early in the postseason.
But I hear your point, And how crazy is that.
I mentioned this in the first hour, where the in

(42:03):
game line in the first half was plus eight and
a half for Dallas and I was like, no thanks.
And it got real close, man, It got very clat
closer than I thought it would. But yeah, Clipper's gonna
win this game, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah they are. And it may be a long series
and maybe a fun series as well. This hasn't been
a great watch, but this day hasn't been a great watch,
and really, even yesterday those games were they were Okay.
There's definitely some series with some meat on the bone though,
some stuff that I'm really excited about. I'm really interested
in that Nick sixer series. Oh yeah, because there's just
a lot there. There's some franchises. Like I was talking

(42:39):
to Torrez last night when we were doing our program,
and he mentioned, you know, he's kind of rooting for
Joel Embiid because in Beads worked so hard and he's
dealt with a lot of bad stuff in Philadelphia in
terms of teammates and things that have gone awry and
coaching changes and all those things. And I said, well,
I mean, I think the same thing can be said
about the Knicks, because in most cases it's not the
Knicks players that have been the problem. It's been ownership

(43:00):
and all these things. So I think there's a lot
for both of those two teams. You know, I think
you still probably got some long series though to come,
plus a couple of games still left today and those
should be good ones too.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I love that the Knicks didn't shy away from the
two seed because they could have said, you know, there's
a chance that we're gonna get Joel Embiid and the
sixers in the first round. Let's just lose our last
regular season game to the Bowls and you know, Indiana,
that doesn't scare us as much as the potential of

(43:36):
Embiid with Tyrese Maxi, and I love that the Knicks
didn't shy away from that at all, because I think
when teams do that, it reveals what their realistic ceiling is.
If you're thinking about, oh, I don't want to play
this team in the first round, it's like you're not
gonna realistically compete for a championship. So I love that
the Knicks didn't shy away from that. They got Game

(43:58):
one and within Embiid clearly not himself physically, and then
the little alley oop to himself right off the backboard
and he comes down and his knee was gimpy, Like
you're getting Embiid at I don't know, maybe sixty five
seventy percent right now. It's gonna be really tough for
Philly if he's not close to one hundred percent and

(44:20):
he's not no.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah exactly. I mean I've pretty much already written them
off for the year when he got hurt, and then
you find out, well, he can come back before the playoffs. Well,
maybe that's perfect scenario because he's definitely not somebody that
you need to play all year long just because his
body doesn't hold up for him. So maybe he comes
back and he's able to do something that at least
makes them intriguing. But you know, the two teams that

(44:43):
you expected to be really in this mix deep into
this postseason, looking at Milwaukee and looking at Philadelphia, both
of those teams right now, like they're just not factors
in my head in terms of contenders. And that's a
shame because it's not really due to ability, it's due
to availability.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, how many games do you think the Celtics are
gonna lose in the East. They might lose what like
three games en route to the finals. I don't see
them getting upset, But I don't know if these series
are even gonna be competitive where they're probably gonna sweep
Miami and then it's like whoever they face round two

(45:23):
Conference finals. Unless Yannis is good to go and looks
like Giannis, I mean, this could be a clear cake
walk for Boston.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean that game and really the
one earlier did nothing to dissuade you if you felt
really good about Boston coming into the postseason, and everybody
should this really should be their year, right, like you
really look at it. If not this year, then win.
Like you look at the way they're made up, in
the way that they've played during the regular season. They've

(45:53):
been on the doorstep a couple of different times in
years past, like this has to be the one where
you get this done. Like if not, then something else
needs to happen. I was not a big fan of
bringing Joy and Brown back, especially at the money that
they paid him after last year. But they find themselves
where they find themselves right now. So I might be
eating Crow in two months when the playoffs end.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I know it, right, They're right there, and this does
it seems like the fork in the road type season
because if they win, you're like, well, see, they were
on the doorstep just a couple of years ago, lost
in the Eastern Conference finals last year, but they got
it done this year and they were smart to stick
with that formula. But like you said, if they crash

(46:36):
and burn again, it turns into the same mode argument
where it's like, well, Tatum and Brown basically play the
same position. Is this really gonna bear championship fruit it's
gonna be the same discussion all over again if they
don't get it done.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
And that was the same story in New England, and
that's why they decided they were going to turn the page.
They move into the Jiro Meo era and Bill Belichick
moves out. Why are we talking about Belichick right now?
He didn't have a job. Well, that's why we're talking
about him. Because when Seth Wickersham's attached to a Patriot story,
you probably read it. And indeed he was the story

(47:11):
that came out this week about Robert Kraft contacting Arthur
Blank during the search for the falcons new head coach
and basically saying the word that was usual was warning
him against Bill Belichick as his choice. What did you
What was your initial takeaway when you read that story?

Speaker 2 (47:32):
My takeaway was how fake Robert Kraft is. Where it's like,
you'll hear publicly all nice things about Belichick and all
we're gonna have him in the Ring of Honor, we're
gonna have a celebration and YadA, YadA, YadA YadA, and
then the next thing we read is he's calling up
Arthur Blank to warn him not to trust Bill Belichick,

(47:57):
and that was my takeaway. I get it that you
have to put on a nice smile from time to time,
but this is different when you're calling up somebody else
and saying, do you probably better off not hiring this
guy at all?

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
I know he won six championships here, but trust me,
this guy is annoying as hell or whatever he had
to say. I just hate when people are fake. If
you don't like someone, fine, just don't smile in their face.
And that's exactly what Robert Kraft does. So that was
one of the things I took away from this is
all the PC answers or things that he'll say, the

(48:35):
flowery comments about Bill Belichick when there's a microphone in
front of his face, and the next thing you know,
he's calling up colleagues to say, don't hire this guy.
That is beyond the hater move and totally unnecessary. He's
not in your organization anymore. What do you care if
Arthur Blank wants to hire a six time champion with

(48:55):
the Patriots alone. That's just that was crazy to me,
all right.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
See from a completely different perspective, And I wondered if
that was your perspective, because I saw a lot of that,
and it makes sense. But when I read the article, Brian,
I took it from the perspective of One thing that
is made clear here and seems obvious, is the Craft
and Blank are pretty tough. That they're friendly, that they

(49:19):
get along, that they've run in similar circles, all of
those things, and you've heard the old boys club talk
and all this, but clearly they're friendly. What I read
in the article that stuck out was after that first
dinner that you have with Belichick, Kraft basically called him
and said, I know you, Arthur, and I know the
kind of guy you are, I know how important relationships

(49:40):
are to you, and having real personal contact with the
people in your organization and knowing them well and having
them be open and all of those kinds of things.
And basically, that's not this guy. And you can try
and try and try and try, believe me, I did
for decades, and that's just not who he is. You're
not gonna be able to make him into the guy

(50:01):
with another dinner or another fifty dinners that you want
him to be. He's not a personality that you're gonna
be able to mold the way that you want I
didn't look at it like he's calling to try and
make sure Bill Belichick gets no job elsewhere anywhere in
the league. It looked to me like he was calling
a friend and he's like, I know you, and I
know what you want, and in this specific case, I

(50:24):
understand why you would want to hire him. I do.
I don't know that his personality is right for you,
like the guy that I know you to be and
who you like to surround yourself with. I don't know
that this is a match. I think that that was
more it, and I felt like that I just took
it from a different perspective. I didn't think it was
completely phony. I didn't think it was from a really

(50:45):
bad place. I thought it was actually calling a friend
and just having a real conversation with him about a
major decision that he was making.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I think it's so different if Arthur Blank calls him
and says, hey, Bobby Kraft, you know we go way back.
What do you think about this guy? Rights. That's what
teams do all the time when they're about to draft players, right,
You're trying to get as much information as possible. There's
nothing wrong with that, but for Robert Kraft, to pick

(51:18):
up the phone himself, according to these reports, and reach
out to Arthur Blank and then just say don't trust
this guy at all. That's completely different in my mind,
because it is it's like you're proactively trying to get
in this guy's way, and it's like one thing after another.
I've heard so many flowery things that Robert Craft will

(51:41):
say about Belichick publicly, But the next thing, you know,
there's a Patriots documentary that's trashing Belichick and it's like, oh,
what do you know? Robert Kraft is the one who's
like behind this whole thing and owns the production company
and that's producing this. It's like, well, that's not just
the coincidence. He's clearly got an ax to grind against Belichick.

(52:04):
And I get it. If you've dealt with Belichick for
over twenty years, I can only imagine what that is
like over time, where Robert Kraft says, hey, do this
and Belichick's like, no, not doing that, like time and
time again. I could absolutely see that being the case.
But when you're proactively trying to get in someone's way

(52:26):
who produced to those levels, I understand he's not cuddly
and easy to get along with but when he's produced
to those levels and you want to take on yourself
to reach out to the Falcons team owner, and they
haven't had any success. The only time they got to
the super Bowl they lost to the Patriots in Bill Belichick,

(52:47):
and you're gonna say, don't trust this guy. Don't do it.
I'm telling you that is so weak. It's like, if
you hate me, fine, just don't smile in my face.
And that's exactly what Robert Kraft does.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Well, I mean, you could be right. I mean, they
certainly have bad blood. I don't disagree in terms of that,
like their relationship had soured and that informs some of
the things that are happening. I didn't see directly that
he's the one that called the craft is the one
that called what I read And I actually pulled up
the article just to see if I could find that
particular part of it, and it basically said that they

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checked each other's references on both sides, that you know,
Belichick looked into people that had been associated with Blank,
and that Blank had done the same thing and had
two separate conversations with Robert Kraft. And it says among
the NFL owners, Blank considers Craft his closest friend, and
they you know, said very kind stuff and supporting each

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other and all of this stuff, and it came down
to character. And the one thing that I don't like
is that don't trust Bill portion, which is what you
just kind of laid out. I do agree on that side.
The part that I kind of went past that because
that felt like it was sort of the hot button thing.
I wanted to see what the nuance was. It sometimes

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gets lost if you don't read a little further. And
that's when I said, you'll never have a warm conversation
with Bill. Is one thing that Kraft told blank blank
likes coaches who feel part of a family. It wasn't
gonna be that way with Bill because Bill can tell
you until he's you know, I've changed. I'm not the
same way that I used to be in all this
And basically Kraft said, look, he's a stubborn guy and

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he can be very very difficult. And if that is
what he's regarding when he's talking about trust, you can't
trust it. He's gonna change a leopard can't change his spots.
This is who this guy is. He's been here for
a long long time. Why would he change that? Now,
You don't bring in a Bill Belichick and then try
to change him into your kind of guy. You just
kind of know what's baked in to the cake. You

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know what's in the sauce at that point in time.
So I don't, I don't. I don't think that. I
don't think it was all bad blood that caused all
of this. I think that this just kind of was
the perfect storm of all of it.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah, I think it's two things. I think it's he's
clearly bents and is not the biggest fan of Bill Belichick,
just based on how he carries himself. And yeah, he's
he's buddies with Arthur Blank. I totally get both of
those things. But man, when you're proactively reaching out. This
was according to a source who spoke to two people.

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He talked to a close Craft friend and a longtime
Belichick confidant. He said that, yeah, Robert called Arthur Blank
to warn him not to trust Bill. That's the Belichick
source source. And that was backed up by the other guy, right,
And it's like, okay, so Bobby Kraft is the guy

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picking the phone to say, yeah, you know, I just
got to tell you Arthur, I respect you and Belichick
he's more than a handful man, this freaking guy and
so forth and so on. I just I look, man,
I get it, I understand it. But again, then just
if you're going down that road, stay down that road.
Don't avert and be like, oh yeah, Belichick, he was amazing.

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When you're doing interviews, it's like, if you don't like
the guy, just stick with that, say it as professionally
as possible. But he won't because he knows it doesn't
land well. And that's what makes Robert Craft so fake.
He gives fake answers and says flowery things because he
knows it doesn't land well, when that's truly how he
feels about Belichick.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
NFL NFL Draft will be a few days away, and
we can actually want to ask Adam Kaplan on the
other side, the FSR NFL insider, what he thinks of
this as well. But I think a lot of our
chatter will be about the draft, but we'll at least
lead off and ask him the Belichick question and just
see what he thinks of the discussion we've been having
over the last couple of minutes and where he lands

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on it. I think there's a lot there. It was,
it was. It was quite a nugget to come up
the week before the draft, for that to for that
to reach out. So we'll have Adam Kaplan again. He's
your fr NFL Insider Inside the Birds podcast host as well.
He will join us on the flip side. With four
days to go before the NFL Draft, you won't want
to miss that. That's next here with Brian O and

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Jason Martin on Fox Sports Radio Welcome back tire rack
dot Com Studios, Fox Sports Sunday. He's Brian Oh, I'm
Jason Martin. Well, Tom Petty bringing us back. B Love
came into my ear and asked me for some song
references and immediately went to Tom Petty, who I love.
But also this generation is gonna say, oh, yeah, that's
the Grand Theft Auto six trailer, which is indeed true,

(57:28):
that is indeed accurate. I'm glad this song is finally
getting the love it deserves. So they said, I if
they asked you, you would just pick a bunch of
death metal. I said, yeah, he's probably gonna pick Slayer
because I remember seeing you or I remember talking to
you about Slayer on radio years ago.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Absolutely love Slayer, but I'm pretty eclectic, yeah, j Mart,
I'm pretty eclectic, man. I can go in a lot
of different directions. Heavy metal is my favorite. It's definitely
my go to. Chances are I would have taken Slayer
or something crazy, but you never know. I could go
wild card band or artist on you. From time to time.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I will give it. I look forward to chatting with
you about that because I want to know what your
wildcard selections would be speaking of, well, not really wild card,
but there's gonna be cards and hopefully Roger Goodell is
actually gonna be able to read the names correctly. The
NFL draft's coming up on Thursday, and we just spent
you know, eight minutes talking about Bill Belichick as well.
Before the break, let's bring an FSR NFL inside er

(58:28):
Inside the Birds podcast host Adam Kaplan. You can find
him on the X at Kaplan NFL. Adam good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
How are you guys.

Speaker 8 (58:35):
I'm well, yeah, we're about four days away, looking forward
to it on Thursday night, which is going to be
interesting draft because we know it's quarterback driven, but once
you get past the quarterbacks, there's a lot of mystery.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Yeah, so I was looking at your latest mock draft.
I guess from a couple of days ago, and I've
seen the convention or not really conventional wisdom, but I've
seen like increasing hype. The first four picks are going
to be quarterbacks, which has never happened before. You've seen
i think three times in the history of the draft, Adam,
there've been one, two and three have been quarterbacks. You

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don't have it that way. You do have the first
three picks being quarterbacks, but you don't have McCarthy going
until eleven, and that's the last quarterback that you have.
So those talks of six quarterbacks going in the first round,
you don't appear to be buying that.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
No.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
I here's what I do think.

Speaker 8 (59:24):
So the over one hundred's funny you mentioned that the
over innner total buy that books is about four and
a half.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
See, it's real simple.

Speaker 8 (59:31):
If Michael Penicks would get cleared medically from clubs to
go in the first round, he'll go in the first round.
He's suffered the same aco injury twice. They had to
fix the first one to one of his knees. He's
had a major shoulder injury, and that's Look, that's an issue.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
He is twenty four. He turns twenty four next month.

Speaker 8 (59:48):
That's not a big deal at quarterback, but it's the
injury history. So he's Look, he's talented enough and he
should without the injuries. He's certainly, you know, a mid
first round pick. But it only takes one team to
take a player and say, listen, we could deal with this.
He's healthy, It's been healthy for a couple of years now.
But that's a factor. Bo Nicks. He's a top forty,

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top forty five pick. I've kind of gone back and
forth on him. But again, if there's gonna be a
fifth guy to mean, it's probably more penis at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I like that you mentioned the word mystery, cap'ain right, Like,
what would you say is the biggest non quarterback mystery
about the first round here?

Speaker 8 (01:00:29):
I would say there are a couple things, a couple
of things here. The cornerback group, there's a major drop
off or after like the first three or four. The
rusher group, this is not a good ed Russer group overall.
Dallas Turners. The Dallas Turner will probably the first one
to go off the board. Leatu Latu is a guy
without the concern about his neck because remember he left

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the University of washing because they wouldn't clear him to play.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
The only reason.

Speaker 8 (01:00:53):
Why he's going to drop out of the top ten,
perhaps through the twenties and an outside chance he drops
out of the first round is do that that medical concern.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
But it's just not a good draft.

Speaker 8 (01:01:02):
In fact, typically for an NFL draft, true what we
call true first round grades, you have to you could
have up to twenty or twenty two. I'm told so far,
I'm getting sixteen to eighteen. Now, obviously they're thirty two picks,
but after the top sixteen or eighteen, these players really
should be taken the first round, but excuse me, the

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second round, but they're not because again, you have to
make thirty two selections. So what this does tell me, guys,
you may see some trading down from the twenties to
maybe the second round on those teams that have early
second round picks that say, you know what, we've got
a lot of needs, like Washington and some other teams who,
by the way, watching it's got six picks in the

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top one hundred. Those are the type of teams that
could look to trade up because they know they have
a lot of needs and they need to use these picks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Adam has Drake May lost steam in terms of his
name compared to where he was maybe a year ago
at least, I would say entering last season at least,
it doesn't seem like people are talking about him even
as much as they are JJ McCarthy over the last month.

Speaker 8 (01:02:06):
Yeah, well, look again, it sets all internet hype. But
in scouting, this guy's very, very gifted. I know there's
some worts there, needs to play more within structure, misses,
some throws he should be able to make, and he
just he needs a good coaching at the next level.
Now New England has put it out there that they're
willing to move down, it would take a hall to
do it, particularly from those teams like the Raiders. You

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look at the teams picking in the teens here, like
you know, the Vikings, the Raiders, the Broncos and the Broncos. Unfortunately,
they're missing a couple of draft picks due to the
Russell Wilson trades. So that's a concern, but more likely
than not that the Patriots will stay there. But you see,
here's the thing with Drake May. Right, Let's just say

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that Patriots find a team to trade down. Well, if
they're not getting Drake May, are they in love with
JJ McCarthy because he's a guy. As I've said repeatedly
on FSR, I've talked to teams have second round grades
on them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I've talked to teams that have some third round grades
on them. I get it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:10):
He's going to go mostly go in the airpayer for
the first round. It's a quarterback driven league. But you
better being low with that player if if you're in
New England, because that's that's the thing they have to
be assured of that they can get quarterback by trade down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
How about this juicy rumor cap where maybe the Vikings
would make an offer with the Patriots to move up
to number three and trade three first round picks. What
would you think if the Vikings did, I know, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Well you'd be flipping.

Speaker 8 (01:03:35):
You're giving up too really, you're flipping and then you're
giving up yeah, twenty three, and then you're giving the
future one. It's a lot now. They have a lot
of needs. Yes, quarterback is a disaster for them. They
can't go with Sam Darnold. They know that he's just
he's basically as an insurance policy, but they've got a
major cornerback need. They know they have to address it.

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They have a need to guard, they have a need
for you remember, the draft is about the few. They
haven't need at running back past the season. Aaron Jones
is on a one year deal. I mean, they've got
they've got some challenges. They kind of shock the world
two years ago and made the playoffs. They got handed
their lunch by the Giants. But they have to get
the quarterback done. And that's why KOs Dolpha Mensa, their

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GM made the extra He made the trade to get
that extra one because they knew they needed an AMO
to trade up. So on your point, yes, that's definitely
in play. But what I try to warn people is
that the reason why there've been no trade so far.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I mean lately, we've had.

Speaker 8 (01:04:32):
A couple in the off season, but we're talking the
last two or three weeks, is because teams are having
trade calls now. They're setting up what could potentially happen
during the first round. Because you've got these trade calls
done now, if a quarterback drops to them where they're
picking the Vikings with their first round pick, their first one,
they don't have to do anything. See, they have to
kind of see what the board looks like, looks like

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it's also.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
A really deep class Adam at wide receiver. I mean,
we know Marvin Junior, and we know about my league neighbors,
but just how deep is it in terms of wide
receiver talent that could really help teams going forward in
this draft?

Speaker 8 (01:05:08):
All right, so kind of by my count, and again
I know, look, I don't have access to team's draft boards.
No one does who doesn't work for a team. In fact,
coaches generally don't. Harrison neighbors are doing. Say I see
Brian Thomas making, yet I see Xavier Worthy because his
incredible speed making in the first round. Your second rounders
are a d Mitchell from Texas. I know there's a

(01:05:29):
rumors about him going the first round. I don't see
it based on the coaches I've spoken with, But she
go in the second. Trey Franklin of Oregon, Lad McConkey,
Ricky Piersaw, Zavier Leaguet has had a great offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
He'll go in the second round.

Speaker 8 (01:05:43):
I mean, you're right, if you really look at it,
there could be twelve to fourteen receivers going in the
first two rounds. That's almost a record. But I'm telling you,
this is a super deep drafted receiver.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
If you put the quarterbacks to the side cap, what's
the most interesting non quarterback storyline to you? Is the
wide receivers or something else.

Speaker 8 (01:06:03):
It terms of interesting, they're usually really good individual stories
where you know, some guys have kind of overcome, you know,
some some tough challenges in their life and the career,
and you always.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Have those things.

Speaker 8 (01:06:14):
But I like the stories where you know the son
is going to be drafted this year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
You know the father played in the NFL.

Speaker 8 (01:06:22):
You know Frank Corr junior, who could go late in
the draft, but the Marvin harerson junior going off as
early as number four. And by the way, he's widely
regarding the end for this draft. That's the best player overall.
And I've told people this is what I got from
NFL teams. Some teams think it could be better than father. Wow,
So which is pretty special because his dad's in the
Hall of Fame. It's just kind of and then here's

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a good one for you. This is the the most
intriguing situation is there's only one tight end who is
going to go in the first round. This Brock Boers.
Could he go as early to the Jets, who I
willy do not believe we'll go to the quarterback? Could
he go to the Jets at ten? I know fans,
I know some fans don't want that. They want to
get a left tackle. They've got a left tackle for
the season in Tyron Smith, but they don't want they

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don't have one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
For the future.

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
Brock Bauers is fascinating because he's so gifted. He's one
of the highest graded tight ends and got the last
seven or eighty years.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Real quick, just with a couple of seconds left at him.
If you just had to pick right now, do you
think the Patriots take Drake May or do you think
somebody else is going to take Drake May? Three?

Speaker 8 (01:07:25):
I would say odds. I'd put the odds are pretty good.
Not a lock, Absolutely not a lock, because I don't
do trades.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
In my mock.

Speaker 8 (01:07:32):
And by the way, the mock that you sold from
Pro Football Network dot com, My final one comes there
tomorrow early tomorrow morning. I actually just finished it. I'm
turning in about an hour. Yeah, it's see the things
I don't on your point earlier, I don't sense the
love for Drake May from other teams. H No, you
never say never, because again, the Vikings need one. The

(01:07:54):
Raiders are looking now. I know Tom Tellesco is kind
of conservative as a as a GM, he usually doesn't
he's not got hip. We will trade up. But there's
a seg the National FOOTBA League. When you don't have one,
you're always looking for one. That's a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Good stuff, Adam. We appreciate it, brother, We're looking for
I'll be looking forward to seeing your final mack tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Sounds good. Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, that's Adam Kaplan. Follow him on the X at
Kaplan NFL Profootballnetwork dot com. You'll have that mock out tomorrow.
We can talk a little bit more about that, maybe
in some of the things we just chatted with him about.
But let's go out and catch up with the latest.
Let's talk to Kevin.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
Wirre Kevin Yeah, NBA action.

Speaker 7 (01:08:31):
We've had a couple of playoff games already conclude today
Western Conference first Round Game one between the LA Clippers
and Dallas Mavericksan. It was going to be seen as
a tall task for the LA Clippers today because Kawhi
Leonard was ruled out for this game, so the Clippers
had to go without him, but it seemed like that
it was the Mavericks who are missing something today.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Pardon with his running mate and Zubox, the two of
them have combined for thirty two more than Dallas as
a team. Teams from the rating a lot it up.

Speaker 7 (01:08:59):
West guys I parked the rip with hem Westbrook with
they thundery throwndown Clippers Radio Network with the calls. The
La Clippers win against the Dallas Mavericks one oh nine
to ninety seven, and the game was not even that close.
The score was a lot closer than what that game
really was, as the Mavericks really struggled for the first

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half and well into the third quarter shooting the basketball.
They finished thirty eight point eight percent for the game,
but it was in the low twenties for much of
the early part and uh Kawhi Leonard or excuse me,
Kyrie Irving and Luka Dancic the only guys for Dallas
who actually did anything. Luca had thirty three, Kyrie had
thirty one. The only other guy in double figures was PJ. Washington,

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who had eleven points. Contrast that to the Clippers. Not
only did James Harden have an outstanding gave me a
twenty eight points off six of eleven three point shooting,
eight to seventeen overall if he Ta Zubots had a
double double twenty points fifteen rebounds. Paul George also had
a twenty two points. The Clippers a team win as

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they take a one to nothing as series lead. Earlier
today Eastern Conference First Round Game one. Celtics A and
head and Boston win this one and convincing fashion as
Jason Tatum had a triple double twenty three points, ten rebounds,
ten assist. Christops porzingis also in double figures with eighteen points,
Derek White twenty points, Jalen Brown had seventeen, Sam Howser

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at twelve off the bench, Al Horford even had ten
points on four of eight shooting, and bam Adebayou the
top of the score sheet for Miami as he had
twenty four. In the NHL Stanley Cup playoffs, we've had
a couple of games that conclude Battle of Sunshine, staying
Panthers over the Lightning three to two.

Speaker 6 (01:10:44):
Over at Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 7 (01:10:46):
It's the Rangers taking a one nothing lead in their
series with the Capitals beating Washington four to one. In
Major League Baseball, it was a blowout in Los Angeles,
the Dodgers losing in frustrating fashion of the Mets on
Friday and Saturday. But see him to exactly the frustration
on Sunday as Tyler Glassnell getting the win as he

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moves to four and one on the air, beating the
Mets ten to nothing. LA wins a Rockies in ten
innings get by the Mariners in game one of a
doubleheader two to one. Marlin's over the Cup sixty three.
Brewers top the Cardinals two nothing, Tigers over the Twins
six to one, Orioles blank the Royals five nothing. Guardians
beat the Athletics six to two, Red shot out the

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Angels three nothing. Yankees edge of the race five to four.
Nationals will a shoutout win against the Astros six nothing.
Phillies over the White Sox eight to two. The Red
Sox beat the Pirates six' one and just getting started
out in Atlanta, Rangers and Braves, and then one more
game coming up at eight o'clock Mariners and Rocky second
game of that doubleheader.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Back to you, guys, Thank you Kevin. We are live
in the tire rag dot Com studios. Since we kept
atam kap on a little bit longer, we appreciate his time.
We can come back, we can react a little bit
to what he said. Also, Brian, there's a coach and
there's ink, but we're not talking about a contract. We
will discuss when we come back. On the other side,
it's Fox Sports Sunday here on Fox Sports Radio from

(01:12:08):
uh Tom Petty to Maroon five? Is this one of
your wildcard picks here?

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
B It's not, But I'll tell you what, Jay Mart's
a catchy tune right there. I can't talk trash about it.
I was just in the mood to Maroon five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
As long as you go old Maroon five, I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Yeah, this is the best.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
This will probably argue with their best song.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Mary.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Is this singer dreamy?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Would you say that?

Speaker 9 (01:12:32):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
Look wise, Yeah, Adam Levine is not my type.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
So no, no, thumb's down. He's not ugly.

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
I'm not he's not. He's just not my type.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Okay. He's a great singer though, so I'll give you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Yeah, look that that first record was good, and then
after that they it wasn't their first record anymore. Let's
just say that, speaking of records, I gotta mention this
and we're gonna do the uh, we'll do this, We'll
pay off the teas. But I just saw this story
Miles Russell. Did you see this, bri Miles Russell, teenager,
Corn Ferry Tour. No, I haven't down him. He's down

(01:13:04):
in Florida, fifteen years old. He was third place, he
ended up, He ended up finishing in twentieth. Right, He
had a final round sixty six, fourteen under par. He's
not sixteen years old. He broke par at age six.
Started playing golf at two, shot a sixty six at

(01:13:26):
Sawgrass as a high school freshman at a Junior Players
Championship event.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
He broke par at age six at six. Wow, that's insane, man.
That shouldn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Not only should not happen, there's a lot of people
listening right now that are just gonna take their clubs
and throw them away. I know, right, dude's breaking part six.
Then what are we even doing here? What that is insanity?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
That really is, man, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Again, just the fact that he's on the corn Ferry
Tour shooting fourteen under not even sixteen had a front
nine thirty one had a seventy yesterday, Like, that's ridiculous.
Maybe we need to pay attention to Miles Russell, the
fifteen year old man that's destroying pros right now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
And is this right? Did Kelly Korter win again? Did
she win like her fifth straight? Dude? That's insane? She
won her second major. She's on an absolute tearor I
think this would be a record if she wins the
next event, If that's sixth straight, I think that'd be
a record on the LPGA too.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
I mean, winning golf tournaments is so unique week to week.
The fact that you could go on a run like
that is preposterous. Yeah, like it really is impressive. It is, okay, So,
speaking of runs, Michigan had a run last year. I
don't know if you've heard about the Michigan Wolverines, but
they went fifteen to OHO and won the national championship.
And now Jim Harball has exited stage left and now
he is with the Los Angeles Chargers where he is

(01:14:55):
going to inherit justin Herbert and hopefully do more with
him than the previous regime did. But he went to
Michigan as part of the Spring Game festivities this weekend
to celebrate the championship and all of this. Did you
see what he did while he.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Was there, Brian, I did, Yeah, I saw this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
He got a tattoo and it's like a block M
and fifteen to er is what the tattoo is like.
It's as generic as a tattoo could be, which when
you think about pleated khakis and just the whole Jim
Harbaugh experience, like, I like that he did. First off,
he did it because he's paying off of bet. He said,

(01:15:34):
you know, if we run the table, I'll get ink,
and so he gets ink. Didn't have any ink prior
to this. I have not Do you have ink?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
B I've got ink?

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Do you I do? I guess you should, right, like
with Slayer and all that, I guess I should have
figured that. Do you have a lot of ink?

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
I don't have a lot of ink. I would say
tastefully done ink, But yeah, I think it's the metal
community would be like, what kind of metal head?

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Are you?

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
No ink?

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Yeah? Out of an anti ink personally, But so Harball
does this and then he says in the interview afterwards,
he's explaining why he's doing it, and he says, you know,
after getting this, he's like, I'm impervious to pain, and yeah,
so I didn't feel any of that. And I can
see after having this why people add on to it
like he's gonna get more. Uh oh, yeah, Harball doesn't

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need sleeves like Jim Harball with sleeve tattoos like that's
that just that's not Harball is in any way, shape
or form. But my take on it, I laughed about
it because I'm like, of course Jim Harbaugh did this.
This is the this is the thing that makes him
endearing to people that love him and infuriating the people
that don't, because if you don't like him, you just
roll your eyes at this and think it's another gimmick

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and another stunt. And if you love him, then you
just see this as another genuine kind of Jim Harball.
Like if you could make getting a tattoo sort of nerdy,
that's kind of what this is. What was your take
on the Jim Harbaugh tattoo.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Well, the first part is this is so on brand. Yes,
and I love Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
You know me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I'm from South Bend, right, and I love Notre Dame football,
so I'm contractually obligated to hate Michigan football, which I do.
I freaking hate them, But I can put that hatred
to the side and give credit where credit is to.
I love Jim Harbaugh. I love his quirky weirdness. I
love his competitiveness. He was absolutely awesome for Michigan's program,

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and for them to go fifteen to zero win a
national championship, it's the perfect drop the mic walk off
moment and he goes back to the NFL. Worked out
perfectly for Jim. So I love Harbaugh and his goofiness.
But the tattoo itself. I love that he's a man
of his word. But that is the most broken down
prison tat I have ever seen. It doesn't even look

(01:17:55):
like the block him. It looks like someone's first crackhead.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Well, you know, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
My first go at it as a tattoo artist. I'll
get better. There's nowhere to go up. There's nowhere to
go but up from this, you know, m fifteen to
oh tattoo on Harbaugh? It just should look way better,
that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
I look at it and I'm just like the most
horriball thing about it is this record means nothing where
he is now, Like the fact he's in the NFL
and he's got a tattoo now that reads that he
was undefeated last year at Michigan to be is hilarious,
Like what you're gonna do show off the guns to
like Mike Tomlin on a random Sunday. But you see
what we did last year, It's just like like it

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doesn't even matter. Like if you're gonna do this and
stay there for fifteen years, it's one thing. But to
do it as you've already left is just the height
of Harbaugh to me. Yeah, in all the best ways.
I'm looking at the tattoo now, I had to bring
up the photo. It is a busted looking tattoo.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
It really is man that M has.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
That m has no girth to it, right, Like, there's
no there's no width, there's no depth of field, there's
nothing like it is like somebody grabbed a mailbox stencil
and use that on Jim Harbou's right arm.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
But I gotta give you props, Jay Mart because it's
something that we talked about a couple of weeks ago.
We were talking about Dan Hurley, Yes at Yucon and
how he's just different and he's so unfiltered. He'll just
come out and say it like we knew that if
we we just let Zach Edy do what he does

(01:19:29):
and guard everybody else, they had no chance to beat us.
And you're like, wow, But Dan Hurley's great for college basketball.
Jim Harbaugh was sensational for college football, and it's college
football's loss that he's gone back to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
The NFL YEP completely. And I could see Dan Hurley
getting a terrible looking tattooed as well. In years to come.
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should be. You know, before we get to the draft stuff,
just for a couple of minutes here for no no
reason whatsoever, not that I have a betting app going
right in front of me or anything. Jane Martin, any
strong feelings about Pacers Bucks game one this evening.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Not really. I mean that's that I'm fascinated to watch it,
but I don't know what you're gonna get out of
the Bucks. I just and and the Pacers. It's are
the Pacers the classic team of all right, they're ahead
of schedule, but now's when they're going to run into
the wall. But let's watch them going forward? Or are
they the team that's going to crash through that wall
kool aid style and go a little bit deeper. I

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don't have any strong feelings one way or the other.
I think maybe if you've just asked me to lean
I mean, do you look at experience or do you
look at youth? This is usually the time when a
Damian Lillard steps up and has those playoff day you
lived in Portland, Yeah, like you saw him do this
in the past. There's more around him right now. But
does the Doc Rivers effect than negated that? That's the

(01:21:34):
question mark for me. I'm just gonna go with where
my my heart feels right now and Lean Pacers.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
I can't wait for Dame versus Tyrese. That's a great matchup.
And remember the the in season tournament where the Bucks
the ist, Yeah they lost to the You had the
East they the Bucks lost to the Pacers, and Halliburton
did the Dame time thing like kind of tapped his

(01:22:01):
wrist and it was supposed to be in fun. It
wasn't quite like Anthony Edwards trash talking KD and KD
was just kind of smiling and having fun with it.
Dame is a lot different where it's like, okay, all right,
I'm sure he put that in his memory bank. I'm
like you, though, I'm curious which Damian Lillard we're gonna

(01:22:22):
see here, because with Yannis out, this should be If
it's vintage Dame, this is attack mode Damian Lillard.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Five point like shooting from thirty five feet kind of Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
But he hasn't been that guy Milwaukee, and a lot
of that has to do with he's going through a
divorce and he's away from his family, and that's had
a lot to do with it. Some of it's been
he's playing alongside a superstar with Yannis, and you're not
gonna get the same volume, the same looks. You're trying
to figure out your role. But with no Yannie here,

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you would think it's gonna be attack mode. I'm just
not sure. He's a little bit. He's got a groin
issue going on, he's got the adductor thing, he had
surgery on that years ago. And Portland he always has
like this ab issue going on. So I don't know
how healthy the guy is, but I'm really curious to
see how he plays. And also Halliburton, who's sensational, but
he's dealing with a hamsterring injury. He's not quite himself

(01:23:20):
yet either, So but it should be a good series.
I got the Pacers in the series. You okay draft
stuff here. I'm just sitting here. Uh Like, sometimes we're
in we're into it, we're in it too closely. Well,
I think you have to take a step back for
a second. And that's what I just did with Drake May. Okay,

(01:23:43):
there was like months ago it was it was supposed
to be Caleb Williams and Drake May one two, like
no questions asked, and then Jaden Daniels had a sensational
Heisman winning season at LSU, and now most people have
Jaden Daniels over Drake May. And it's like, okay, I

(01:24:05):
get that, but now it's regressed even more for Drake May,
where most of the conversations are Drake May versus JJ McCarthy,
and I'm like, wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa. I
don't know why we're getting so much negativity with Drake May.

(01:24:27):
I mean, I get it. I understand that there are
some alarming things in terms of reads or throws or
forcing it or what.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
He also a pretty important by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Very important, But it's not like he's screwed up in
those categories all season long, you know what I mean.
There's gonna be an alarming thing here or there, but
it wasn't a consistent thing, just over and over and over.
Outside the pocket numbers aren't great, but he's got wheels
he can move. Is this You could look at all

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these prospects, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, pressure to sack rate
freaking terrible. Okay in college? How's that going to translate
to the NFL? And I think that both of those guys,
especially Caleb Williams can be special. But the point I'm
trying to make is all these quarterbacks have a downside.
All these quarterbacks have something that is negative that can

(01:25:25):
be pointed out. You could be critical of them, you
can be suspicious. But it seems like we're spending all
of our time. We went from Caleb Williams and oh
he was crying and painting his fingernails, and we're like, yeah,
we're done with that. Let's pick on this Drake May
guy over here, this freaking guy. It seems like we've
shifted from Caleb Williams scrutiny to Drake May scrutiny here.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Yeah. I think that this is cyclically like eventually you
run out of things to try and not Caleb Williams
for because every time you watch the film and be like,
oh yeah, they're still like when you see his comparison,
the name that always pops up his mahomes, which I
think does nobody any and I don't think this you
need to invoke that name. You need to let Caleb
stand on his own two feet and determine what he's

(01:26:06):
going to be. But when you watch the film and
when you watch what he did at Oklahoma and usc
you recognize how good he is, and so you can
knock his character or his personality, or his father or
all these other things, but eventually it's just noise. And
then it gets down to, well, they're still going to
take him number one, so we probably need to stop
knocking him. So what's next, Well, Jaden Daniels won the Heisman,

(01:26:28):
and there's not really a whole lot of things to
say negatively there. Let's go out to Drake May. Because
Drake May didn't have a great year. He threw a
decent number of interceptions, he didn't have a lot around him,
but he certainly did not raise the level of the
guys around him to the degree that maybe we thought
we got McCarthy out here who just went undefeated. We'll
forget about the fact that he threw about four passes

(01:26:50):
a game that were actually meaningful, but Drake May's Let's
also look at the fact he plays at North Carolina
and not Michigan. He played in North Carolina, and the
last couple of guys that played in North Carolina that
came into the draft that were highly touted Sam Howell,
and he's out pretty much. And then you look at
Mitch Trubisky, who somebody went up to number two to

(01:27:12):
get that, somebody being the Bears, and that was a disaster.
Didn't work out, and we still tried to have like
a reclamation project after he was a backup with the
Bills and that failed as well. We all like Mitch
Trubisky as a guy, but yeah, I don't know about
his football player. Maybe they just don't churn out great
quarterbacks here. And because there was nothing that just stood

(01:27:33):
out dramatically about Drake May, I think it becomes trendy
to knock him now because he's been on the radar
for so long when it was him and Caleb before
the year. If you're done knocking Caleb, what are you
gonna do? Well, you're gonna knock the other guy. And
I think that's what's happened. That's why my bold take was,

(01:27:53):
I felt like McCarthy might go before Drake May.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
When we had Adam Kaplan on last hour, you know,
he said that, you know, he's talking to people inside
the league, some of them have a second round, even
a third round great on McCarthy, and I'm like, well, good,
there's still sanity out there, because maybe he is going
to live up to it and be the number three
pick if the Vikings were to go up, for example,
and go grab them or whatever. But we haven't seen enough.

(01:28:18):
Like there's nothing about McCarthy right now that would make
me place him above Drake May. But I think there
are some teams that would.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Well that's the thing to me is this goes back
to last year. This is something that we heard about
Ohio State quarterbacks where it's like, who's the good Ohio
State quarterback before c J. Stroud was drafted? Right, And
look how that's turned out for CJ.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Stroud.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
He looked sensational last year. So just because you know
Terrell Pror or Justin Fields or whoever doesn't pan out, JT.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Barrett in the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
NFL, whoever you want to go with Cardie Old Jones,
it doesn't mean the next guy up is doomed to fail.
I think the same can be true with Drake May
and the North Carolina Roots. You could play that game
with a lot of quarterbacks, right, Like it was the
Tedford curse at col before Aaron Rodgers came around, and
it's like, well, it's no longer a curse guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Is what's the best, what's the best example, the best
example is probably Alabama, Like you look at it now
and it's turned but for a while it was Aj
McCarron and it was Greg McIlroy. Yeah, And I mean
there was a list and USC was another one. I
mean a lot of the guys in the USC were
pretty highly touted and they got to the league and
then you end up with Matt Barkley and it doesn't
work out, or you end up with Sanchez and it's

(01:29:36):
kind of you know, quicken out and now he's doing
well in media, and the same thing for Matt Lionert
and guys like that. So I know it's not an
exclusive problem, but I think the difference is the level
of brand on the football side. For UNC is just
not viewed the same way, and I think that that
might harm him a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Yeah, And I also think that we we love the highlights, Jason,
We love highlight plays. That's why a lot of people
to this day are propping up justin fields as if
he's good when he's not, because he makes some jaw
dropping highlight plays with the Bears. He had some insane runs,

(01:30:18):
some insane passes, but it's like it's not built you
can't build a career off of just highlights, right, It's
gotta be It can't just be the sensational thing that
you do. It's how consistent are you on third and
five when there's a little out route that you have
to complete to move the chains? Like that stuff matters.

(01:30:39):
That's why Mahomes is so sensational. It's not just the
jaw dropping highlight stuff. It's the simple plays. It's the
consistency that he plays with. But that's where if you
bring it back to the draft prospects, Drake May didn't
produce the highlight plays that Caleb Williams or Jaden Dan

(01:31:00):
Annuals produced. And so when you've got like North Carolina
and that brand, which is not outstanding in college football,
and then you don't have a lot of those jaw
dropping highlights that are gonna lead Sports Center, I think
it turns into like, hey, who are we gonna pick
on here? You know, It's like, all right, we talked

(01:31:20):
trash about Caleb Williams for a little while. Now we're
outright questioning JJ McCarthy. It's time for some new blood,
you know. And I feel like you're right, that's a
great word trendy. It's gotten very trendy to talk about
the downside of Drake may as if there isn't a
high upside, which there is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Yeah, have you seen the The other thing that's kind
of mind boggling to me is Spencer Rattler's name starting
to pop out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Yeah, Like yeah, I get a lot They're like, hey, man,
this guy, right, there's a lot of positivity think about that.
It was like he was supposed to be the first
overall pick. It was supposed to be him and Sam Howell, right, yeah,
and now he's who knows where day three and and
now the other way people.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Saying he might go before Penix, he might go. That's
just like what man. Yeah, there's there's so much smoke
that gets blown the final week of this, Like we
got to get to Thursday so that a lot of
this stuff can be revealed to be what it is,
which is just you know, total fiction, like this is
this is the season of lies, That's what it is,
Like Spencer, Like Spencer Rattler, You want to talk about

(01:32:26):
a fall? What happened to him at Oklahoma and then
South Carolina? I mean, he wasn't bad, but South Carolina
didn't have the kind of season that they were expecting
to have this past year. But now it's like, well, boy,
his stock is rising again, rising to what exactly it's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Turned where it's like, hey, man, if he ends up
in the right situation, you know, I don't know, it could,
it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
It just there's just that one. Just I was not
expecting to be reading as much about Spencer Rattler in
the last couple of weeks as I tended to, because
there's just more articles there. I'm like, wait, there's another
Spencer Rattler piece. Don't you care where is this coming from?

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
Don't you guys feel like that's kind of the same
thing we're doing with JJ McCarthy. Yeah, Like Spencer Rattler
has all the tools, he has the arm.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
I mean that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Yeah, I think what a lot of this is most
of the time, like the players at the very top,
it seems like we get the magnifying glass out and
we're like, what doesn't he do well?

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Right, because the price is so high, especially if you're
trading up for one of those guys. But now that
you're kind of getting Spencer Rattler at a quote unquote bargain.
Now now we look at, well, what can he bring
to the table. It's just weird how we look at it,
where I think the guys that are the top prospects
get picked on the most, and it's just strange how

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that works out. But that's often how it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
Yeah, I mean it does.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
There are a lot of quarterbacks in this draft, and
a lot of them are gonna miss. That's just that's
just the way it goes. I mean, we had that
conversation last hour or two hours ago about c J.
Strout what if he had gone to Carolina and Bryce
Young had gone to Houston. I don't think c J.
Strou would have had the same kind of season. But
I also think that we were just wrong on Bryce Young.
Maybe he's gonna turn around. I hope so. I like

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Bryce Young a lot, but he looked so small out
there in a way that it didn't strike me the
same way when he was in Tuscaloosa, Like, all of
a sudden, he just looked like he didn't belong on
the same field. He couldn't see over guys all that
confidence that he played with. I mean, you talk about
JJ McCarthy and what he wasn't asked to do with Michigan.

(01:34:35):
Bryce Young did everything for Alabama. He was all they
had a year ago in his final year after the
Heisman win, and then he gets to the NFL and
it's like, I don't know what it is, Like maybe
it was just that was his wall and this league
is just not because of the way he's built and
everything else. It's just not there for him. But a

(01:34:57):
lot of this does come down to scenario. If let's
say we talked about in the first hour, Brian, but
let's say the Vikings do give up the farm, go
up to three, take it from the Patriots, and go
take Drake May at three. Well, Drake Mays walking into
scenario where he's got weapons, he's got a coach that's
forward thinking, that's positive in terms of the environment, that's
created a fan base that has would love to see

(01:35:19):
him succeed. They go get Aaron Jones out of their
own division. Like there's a lot to like about that situation. Like,
I bet you Mac Jones is looking back, like, man,
I wish I could have fallen into that number three pick.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Yeah, totally, man, that would be that's a great landing spot.
You know, let's get to that around the corner the
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That's definitely wild card, very very much wild card. By
the way, Damian Lillard in attack mode got eleven points quickly.
We're not even eight minutes into the first quarter here,
He's got eleven points, hit a couple of threes, so
this is vintage Dame.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Thus far, he's got thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Actually he's up to he tried another three man he's
firing away. He's up to thirteen now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Got thirteen of the seventeen for Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Yeah, all right, where the pace is quickening here. We're
used to seeing these teams score at will, especially against
each other, right and it was off to a sluggish start,
but the pace has picked up quite a bit right here.
How about this, Jason, if we look at not just

(01:38:22):
the players, especially the quarterbacks, and which teams they could
go to and who they could help the most. We
always look at it like that, but what can the
teams do for the quarterbacks? Think about this. We started
off the show talking about the rumor of maybe the
Vikings trading up to number three overall with the Patriots

(01:38:43):
to get Drake May. Think of the difference between being
a quarterback with the Patriots right now and being a
quarterback with the Vikings right now. If that plays out.
If you're Drake May and New England is sitting there
at number three, and your agent calls you and says, hey,
I think the Vikings are moving up, You're like, oh
my gosh, that sounds amazing. That's night and day in

(01:39:06):
terms of supporting cast that you have to work with.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
It's true. Now the one difference here. Instantly, Yes, in
the short term you're definitely right, and maybe in the
long term you're right too. But you are going to
a new era with the Patriots. You're going to the
Jira Mao era. You're not necessarily things are going to
change to some degree. Now how much are they going
to change? I don't know, because may Or Mayo was
there for a long long time. But you're right instantly,

(01:39:31):
especially on the offensive side of the ball. If I've
got Justin Jefferson and Aaron Jones and Hockinson, I've got
an offensive minded head coach that's forward thinking and has
shown the ability to maximize guys that are far worse
than me at the quarterback position and win games with them.
I like my chances there, I do. And it does

(01:39:51):
feel like it just feels like that would be a
real positive environment to walk into. I don't know that
New England is negative. I think it was trending that way.
It's not toxic. It's just kind of flat, like there's
not really a good feel and you're just in a
loaded division.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Also, man, it's just I'm just looking at coach Kevin
O'Connell is a great offensive mindre head coach right, and
Girod Mayo might be. It's similar to what the Texans have,
you know, like the Texans have a defensive minded head
coach and Damico Ryans a former linebacker.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
But c. J.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Strad was just fine. I think sometimes we take that
a little bit too far. So this is no slight
towards Gerrod Mayo, who could be a very good head coach.
It's just that if you're a young quarterback and you
can work with Kevin O'Connell, I think that's desirable. Yeah,
I agree, And there's no comparing the personnel like what
you have in Justin Jefferson and TJ. Hockinson alone. What

(01:40:53):
do you have with the Patriots? You've got what do
Mario Douglas out of Liberty or Kendrick.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
Born still there? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Yeah, and you've got Hunter Henry who is good at times,
but that's not TJ. Hockinson. It's not even close. I
think that the Vikings would be one of the better
teams to get drafted by if you're one of these
top quarterbacks. The Patriots have to be the worst. Who's
worse than the Patriots at least for the short term.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Right now? Hmm, yeah, I mean that's a well. I mean, certainly,
if you went somewhere where you would be in a
quarterback competition, you could look at that. But I mean
Chicago stepped up and got more in the move and
they've actually done a nice job of trying to build
with what they have. So Caleb Williams isn't walking into
a completely barren cupvered situation. Washington is Washington. But the

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thing about it is the thing that made no sense
to me last year, and I don't think it will
continue even though I'm not the world's biggest Dan Quinn
as your head coach. Fan Terry McLaurin is better than
he was used last year. He's really good, he's superb.
He is such a good player. And then you've got Dotson,
who's a speedster. They got a lot of talent. They've

(01:42:05):
got a lot of wide receiver talent in Washington. I
do look at those situations and it's like, do you
want to go to Chicago or do you want to
go to Washington or do you want to go to Minnesota.
Like I had to change my vocal range in the
way that I said that because Minnesota's on the cusp
of the playoffs, whereas those other teams still are on
the build. Although I do think this Chicago took more

(01:42:25):
strides this past season, and you know they're they're more
ready I think to inherit a quarterback that could be
ready to take them to the next level than maybe
we thought they would be.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Yeah, no doubt about that. Hey, right around the corner.
If it's true, it can't automatically be negative as well.
We will get to that story right around the corner,
But first, Kevin wired with us k Dubb as his
friends call him from back in the day, Right Kate, Sir,
am I am I allowed to use the same whatever

(01:43:00):
you want, Okay, I appreciate that.

Speaker 7 (01:43:02):
I'm easy here, so, but it came up, where are
you from? Originally I am from southern California. Lake Forest
in South Orange County is my hometown.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Okay, there you go, and.

Speaker 7 (01:43:14):
Then bounced around a few places. Now I'm back here
in La.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
Do you root for the barely above five hundred Dodgers?

Speaker 7 (01:43:21):
By the way, yes, I do you do? Okay, barely above.
That hurts me to hear you say that. I mean,
it's true, It's true. They have not played up to expectations,
but it is still early. It is April. I never
get worried about how a team does in April, nor
do I get excited either. It's still early. The Dodgers, though,
did respond to the Mets. They seem to take out

(01:43:42):
their frustration on New York because they dropped the first
two games of that series in frustrating fashion. But the
Dodgers ten nothing. They blank New York out. In Los Angeles,
Rockies and Mariners, first game of a doubleheader, it's Colorado
winning it two to one. It was scoreless for much
of that game in the forced extra innings before the

(01:44:03):
Rockies able to get that win. Second game in action
between Actually it's gonna get going in about thirty forty
minutes or so as a day night doubleheader, so that's
set to get going. Over in Denver Rangers and Braves,
it's Atlanta in front.

Speaker 6 (01:44:17):
Three nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:44:17):
They're on the top of the second inning in Atlanta
as actually the inning has just ended, so Atlanta three
nothing as they go to the bottom of the second inning,
Atlanta coming up to bat. In the NBA, we actually
have a playoff game going on right now. We had
two conclude earlier today and right now, it's Milwaukee in
front of Indiana twenty three to nineteen as they've got

(01:44:41):
about a minute in fourteen to go before halftime. Damian
Lillard with sixteen points so far for Milwaukee. The Clippers
and Mavericks Western Conference First Round Game one, no Kawhi
Leonards so is expected to be a difficult time for
the Clippers, but it was actually the Mavericks who really struggled.
The Clippers win it one oh nine ninety seven, but

(01:45:02):
it wasn't even that close. It was a much larger
deficit for the Mavericks. They were down by twenty at
one point, shot the ball in the low twenties before
Floria shots kind of cut into that to make it
seem closer than what it really was. As the Clippers
win it largely thanks to James hard In twenty eight
points eight to seventeen, shooting six of eleven from beyond
the three point RC. If it's a Zubots had a

(01:45:23):
double double twenty points, fifteen rebounds, and Paul George had
twenty two points.

Speaker 6 (01:45:27):
Contrast that to Dallas.

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
Yeah, they shot thirty eight point eight percent for the game,
but again much of that came late in the game.
Kyrie Irving, Luca Dontrits the only guys who actually did anything.
Luca had thirty three, Kyrie had thirty one.

Speaker 6 (01:45:39):
PJ.

Speaker 7 (01:45:39):
Washington with eleven points the only other guy to score
in double digits for Dallas on the afternoon, as they
now face a one nothing series deficit. As LA looking
to advance. Earlier today, Celtics run away with it against
the Miami Heat, won fourteen to ninety four. Jason Tatum
with a triple double twenty three point points, ten rebounds,

(01:46:01):
ten assists, But it was a team effort all around.
Chris Tops had eighteen points, Derek White had twenty, Jalen
Brown had seventeen. Sam How's rough the bench at twelve points.
Al Horford even had at ten points. I can't remember
the last time I said that, as he was four
of eight shooting. Bam Adebayo good effort in the lost
twenty four points off ten of seventeen shooting. Also hav
himself six boards and three assists. One more game coming

(01:46:25):
up in the NBA Tonight nine thirty is a scheduled
tip between the Pelicans and Thunders, game one of that
series out in Oklahoma City. NHL Action Jets and Avalanche
are in the first period about seven minutes ago, and
it is Winnipeg leading at two to one. Two other
games earlier today, Battle of the Sunshine State, Game one
of that series, the Panthers taken an early one nothing

(01:46:45):
series lead by edging the Lightning three to two. Rangers
with a big four to one win over the Capitals
to take a one to nothing lead in that series.

Speaker 6 (01:46:53):
Back to you guys, Thank.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
You, keV. It's Brian Nough and Jason Martin here with
you on Fox Sports Radio. I'll tell you, man, what
a career Al Horford has had, because I.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
Can't believe it. Like when I heard his name mentioned,
I forgot Al Horford was still playing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Oh man, he's still a really hard yeah of what
the Celtics do. But when we were watching the NCAA
tournament and Yukon was winning their second straight, they showed
all those highlights of Florida because that was the last
team to repeat before Yukon did, and they showed those
like the team pictures or whatever, and it was you know,

(01:47:29):
the big Three. It was Corey Brewer, it was Joe
Kiem Noah, it was Al Horford with Florida and it's like, man,
how long has Joe Kim Noah been retired and Al
Horford is still doing his thing. Man, he's had a
sensational career.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
Yeah. I mean he's like a statesman too. He's an
elder statesman kind of player in the league like he
was he was in Atlanta forever. Yeah, and he's just
he's really been good, Like he's been one of those
kind of players that you know, he's not I can
end up in the Hall of Fame, but he's definitely
going to be somebody that contributed and is going to
be regarded very highly across the NBA when he's done. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
By the way, our guy Damian Lillard is locked in.
Just hit another three. He's up to what sixteen at
least for the first nineteen in the first quarter. Wowep,
he's cooking.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
How about this story with Dion Sanders, head coach at
Colorado and he had fourteen players enter the transfer portal
and it's the spring portal, and you might have seen
his comments where he said, hey, we're good. I trust
the recruiting team, I trust our coaches, and please please
have some faith in me. We're good. We're all right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
We're all right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
And his former cornerback, this is Cormani McClain. Now he's
a former five star guy, and he transferred away, and
he gave a quote believe this was today, Jason. He said,
I just don't want to play clicks, which is like, wow, man,
it's one thing to transfer away, but that's gonna be

(01:49:07):
the parting shot as you leave, you know, I just
leave it like this. This is not great for Colorado whatsoever.
And that's not automatically negative. When you've had a four
and eight season when it seemed initially like this is
the it program. They beat TCU, who was in the

(01:49:29):
title game the season prior. That was the first game
of the year. Dion's like do you believe now to
ed Wardour and it's like, okay, this is the it
school and it's like the recruiting hasn't been there. The
transfer portal is going the wrong way for Colorado. I'm
not rooting for Dion to fail. Dion is sensational for

(01:49:51):
college football. It's not automatically negative to point something out like, man,
you've got fourteen players entering the portal, including a five
star guy that on its way out is saying I
just don't want to play for clicks. None of this
is good for Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
No, it's not. I mean I think the number I
had seen something like they've had twenty five players leave
and thirty one come in. I think the thing. And
if you look into the McClean story, there's those guys
are not fans of one another, meaning McLean and Dion,
because Dion had been kind of vocal about mcclan needs
to show up to team meetings, he needs to be

(01:50:28):
more ready to go on game day, all of that
kind of thing. But I will say this, I'll tell
you what is kind of a bad look is when
the critique gets kind of pushed back from Dion, who
then says, I mean, who do we lose? And a
reporter says starters. He's like where basically he's saying, we

(01:50:49):
lost backup scrubs. Yep, that don't matter, and so we're
gonna be fine. I don't know that we need to
be saying that, Like, I don't know that that I
don't know that that's helpful. Like clearly the Dion thing
is there's some guys that are really going to go
to the mat and want to play for him, want
to coach with him. But there I think there is

(01:51:11):
another group that can't abide by what he does and
how he does it and how it's a lot of
it is self promotion, a lot of it is about him,
A lot of it is the whole for clicks thing,
like it sounds like man with a shot, but there's
some truth behind it too. Oh Like there's a whole
lot of pizazz and a whole lot of fluff there.

(01:51:32):
But when the rubber met the road around mid season
last year, Colorado couldn't win a football game anymore. And
I think the other problem is if you're going to
be their long term, are you convinced he's going to
be their long term? And I don't know the answer
to that, I really don't. I do think he enjoys
doing it, and I think he likes coaching, But does
he like coaching at Colorado? Or is he going to

(01:51:52):
want to find a different method. What's going to happen
when his sons leave? All of those kinds of things
I think play into it. I am not out on Deyon,
but I said this to Aaron Torres when he asked
me the same question. I said, I am cocking the
Dwayne Johnson rock eyebrow. I'm cocking the people's eyebrow towards
the Colorado program this year. Like I'll continue to watch

(01:52:15):
and give it the benefit of the doubt a little bit,
but my eye I'm observing closer. My skepticism alarm, my
red flag alarm is starting to trigger a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Yeah, No, there's some really good stuff in there. I
think that if you're trying to trace back to why
would a guy like Cormani McLain say after hitting the portal,
I just don't want to play for clicks, right, Like
where does that come from? And I think you did
a good job with that. Where some of that traces
back to a reporter asking Dion Sanders, you know about

(01:52:48):
the players they've lost. He's like, who do we lose? Yeah,
essentially saying we didn't lose starters, we didn't lose any
difference makers whatsoever. If you're a competitive person, forget athlete,
you're just competitive in general. If someone says that about you,
that's gonna absolutely fire you up and tick you off
at the same time. And so, yeah, Dion does generate

(01:53:12):
some of those comments. I think the thing about clicks,
I don't think it has to be clicks versus wins,
you know what I mean, Like, what's wrong with doing
things that get attention that should lead to better recruiting
and it being the truly IT program. I don't think
there's anything with that. I don't think it necessarily gets

(01:53:33):
in the way of losing automatically, but I think that's
what it's turned into. It was Oregon's coach Dan Lanning
when Oregon lamb baseded Colorado, saying in the locker room,
they're playing for clicks, we're playing for wins, and I
always thought that was unfair. You can play for both. Colorado,
make no mistake, they're playing for both. And I don't

(01:53:55):
think being click savvy means all of a sudden you're
in winning whatsoever. The as one of the best winners
we've seen in professional sports, So I think we get
that twisted a lot. But until Colorado gets an offensive
line and better personnel and starts cranking out the wins,
that's going to be the perception is that they just

(01:54:16):
care about clicks instead of wins, when I don't think
that's the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
No, I mean, I think I think those things being
mutually exclusive doesn't make any sense, because most of the
things that generate clicks are spectacular things, meaning wins, championships,
all that you're gonna raise your profile if you're doing
those things, as opposed to the antics, like unless you're
winning doun't contests and you're in the G League, like
generally it comes from success. So I think those things

(01:54:43):
kind of go hand in hand. I just think that
McClain making those comments just reeks of well landing. Took
a shot that landed, Yeah, so I'm just gonna take
the same shot to allude to that, to just make
sure that I take this wound and dig it in
a little deeper.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Yeah, no doubt out all right, Coming up next, Loyalty
can sometimes be a bad thing. He's Jason Martin. I'm
Brian No hang with us right here on Fox Sports Radio.
He's Jason Martin. I'm Brian No here on Fox Sports Radio.
So we're in NBA playoff mode. There was a team
that didn't actually make the playoffs. That would be the

(01:55:21):
Golden State Warriors, Jason, and the question now becomes what
do you do? What do you do going forward? And
I thought it was interesting, right, this was earlier in
the week. This is what Draymond Green had to say
about the future of the Golden State Warriors. This was
after they got smacked around by the Sacramento Kings lost

(01:55:44):
in the first the game of the play playing around there,
they were out. So this is Draymond.

Speaker 9 (01:55:49):
They've shawn nothing but respect, loyalty, love, trust us. So
I got no reason to go into it like, oh man,
they're not going to do right Clay, they did right
by me, They've done right by stuff, They've done right
by all of us. You know, Clay got Clay towards
ACL they paid them one hundred and sixty million dollars.
So I have no reason to think that our ownership

(01:56:12):
group aren't going to take care of us the way
we've taken care of this organization.

Speaker 2 (01:56:20):
I mean, Jason, they don't like any of that. You
don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
Huh, You're you couldn't say what you were going to
say though, I had not heard that quote, so that
was that was just a yeah, jerk response.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
The thing is, look, man, loyalty can be a bad thing,
and the Golden State Warriors, I can understand how they
would have the urge to want to be loyal to
the guys that laid the groundwork were four championships, but
the reality is they were a tenth place team that
got blown out by the Kings, who didn't even make

(01:56:54):
the playoffs themselves. You know what I mean, Like, if
you run it back, what do you expect to happen?
There's a reason why Klay Thompson's coming off the bench
and went over against the Kings in that play in
game right. There's a reason why Bob Myers was like,
you know what, I'm good, let me do some studio
work with ESPN instead of coming back as the GM

(01:57:14):
the handwritings on the wall man. And if you want
to win, if you're serious about building around Steph Curry,
who is still in hit peak form absolutely an assassin.
Still it's not with Clay and Dre. It's time to
revamp and move on if you're serious about winning. If
you're not, then bring it back, keep the band together,

(01:57:35):
sell some tickets, have some feel good moments, but you're
still going to have to move on from those guys. Eventually.
You're better off doing it now than later.

Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
Totally agree. I mean, what does do right by me mean? Exactly? Jerrymond,
because they did right by you by what paying you
a ton of money to come back and then not
do right by the organization. Like, because that's how I
look at it. I mean, what did he do? He
got ejected, suspended, He's not the same player. He creates
more problems than benefits. At this stage, Klay Thompson is

(01:58:07):
just not who he used to be. I mean, he
had an incredible run, was an amazing defender, obviously an
incredible shooter. But it's kind of over now he needs
to go. He probably goes to LA maybe and plays
there for a little while. But I mean, yeah, like
this organization, I have no qualms about this ownership group
doing right by us doing right. How about they do
right by their organization. How about they do right by

(01:58:29):
their fans that want to see them win games. And yes,
if you want to do right by one guy right now,
it's Steph because he's still an All Star. None of
the other ones are, Like, you're gonna do right by
Shaq when he's a Celtic because he's going into the
Hall of Fame. But no, you're gonna do right by
the guy who's still able to go night after night
after night. Doesn't mean you don't appreciate what Draymond Green

(01:58:52):
or Klay Thompson or anybody else provided that organization during
the great run. Yeah, but you do have to eventually
acknowledge that it comes to an end, like it's over
doing right now. Needs to be what do we do
for our organization, our fans, all of the people that
are invested in this franchise is success for the next
ten to fifteen years. And that is not bringing dray

(01:59:14):
Bond back and not bringing Klay Thompson back.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Yeah. Hey man, some of these organizations that are in
tough they have to make tough decisions. There have been
iconic players that are embraced and well loved and you're like,
we don't want to get.

Speaker 1 (01:59:30):
Rid of them.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
This sucks, but that's what you have to do sometimes.
And there are some franchises that made those tough decisions.
You think the Niners wanted to get rid of Joe Montana,
Of course not, but it was the best thing for
their future. So if you keep it in the Bay,
I think it's time to turn the page with Clay
and dre Man, run it back with Steph, build around

(01:59:51):
the guy. It was fun hanging with you, Jason always Man. Yeah, definitely,
everybody keep it locked Sports Radio, have a great evening,
joy some chaffs or whatever you feel like doing. Maybe
some John party

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