Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk Luka Doncic and Dak Prescott!

Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk about Luka’s game winner last night, teams that you might be hate watching, whether or not people hate the Celtics too much, Dak Prescott says he doesn’t play for money, Lamar Jackson slims down, and much more!  

 

 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Isaac Lowing gron Luca Magic.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
My goodness, what happened last night is Dallas takes a
two to oh series lead and beats the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Luka Doncicz just dancing.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
On the defensive player of the year Rudy Gobert, shakes
him up, hits a step back three and the MAVs
win by one point. What an ending last night. And
talking some smack too. You can't Efan guard me. He
was going crazy last night. That was just great theater man.
We talked about the blowouts and the playoffs. That was
a little slice of ah, some playoff magic. That was

(00:42):
a beautiful thing I thought last night. Unless you're a
Timberwolves fan, of course.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, which there were many. I mean, the
Target Center was absolutely rocking. The Timberwolves rise through the
postseason has been fun to watch for anybody who's not
a Wolves fan, because Anthony Edwards is one of the
most likable players on the planet. I mean, he continues
to impress me with how he handles the spotlight. There

(01:05):
are a lot of people who fold in the big moments.
There's a lot of people who can't handle the press
when they arrive at their door. Finally, after toiling away
in the darkness, Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Is a star.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
He is a star, and I hope that the wolves
advance just because I want to advance his storyline.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I want to see how big we.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Could make this guy because I think the NBA has
a likability problem. I look around the NBA and I
look at some of the best players, like Jokic, and
we talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
This two weeks ago. Jokic makes me yawn.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
You look at Lebron James the King, and Lebron's unlikable.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Like he's done a
lot for the sport, and there's nothing obviously wrong with him,
Like he's a good family man, and there's a lot
you could say about his game still as he's nearing four.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
But but there's a likability problem with Lebron.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
There isn't the mass appeal there was for Jordan during
the nineties, a guy like Anthony Edwards, even though Luca
was incredible, Like Luca has been around for you know,
almost a decade now, and Luca still hasn't crossed over
into stardom yet. Like I I hope that Anthony Edwards
can take the mantle of the NBA and do something

(02:25):
significant in these playoffs and and maybe even do the
unthinkable for most people early in this season, thinking the
Wolves have a chance at a championship because I like
that team and I like that player. But you got
to give the flowers where the flowers belong this morning,
and that's at the feet of Luka Doncic, who just
I mean that that that ending sequence was incredible, A

(02:47):
step back three over the reigning defensive Player of the
Year and then some Slovenian trash talking.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
You couldn't write a script that good. I was trying
to I was trying to figure out what he said.
I couldn't.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
I couldn't get there. I mean, definitely an MF yeah, bad,
one of those. But I don't know if for sure,
Oh yeah, I don't know if there was a Slovenian
word mixed in there or not. If it was like
going back and forth between English and you know, whatever
European language he wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'm sure he.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Speaks multiple languages. But so two things about that shot.
First of all, I agree Rich it was. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Second of all.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Luca's point prop last night was twenty nine and a half.
He was on twenty nine when he hit the shot,
and then he obviously went over. The shot put him over,
But there was a lot a lot of people. It
was one of the more bet props last night.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
We're we're up in.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Arms or very very happy or very upset about that one.
I Nicole Kicic not being here I think makes it
a little interesting, right because I think if it was
Luca against the Nuggets, it would be a very different
you know, the way that they guard him. I don't
know if Minnesota really has someone that can guard him

(03:59):
like I think. You know, Gobert can't stay with him,
and I don't know if there's anyone else that has size.
I mean, he really is a special player, and he's
on this stage now, and you're right, he hasn't really
had this stage to himself.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I think the difference too is Kyrie.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
I mean, goodness, gracious, I know he wasn't all over
the box score last night, but I've been very critical
of Kyrie over the years.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Of course, I used to live in New York, he
used to work in New York.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
All of this stuff in the bubble like it was up,
it was down, it was down for a while. And
when I watch Kyrie this year, it's almost like you
can see the energy.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
You know, radiating from him. Very positive, very calm, very
nurturing energy.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
And that matters to him, right he's all, you know,
burning stage, you know before games like he is a
very much you know, where's the vibration taking me? And
he looks like he's ready to win a title with
this team. He looks like he's very secure with his situation.
It's a younger team around those two stars. Gafford. I mean, goodness, gracious,

(04:57):
one of the best rookies that we haven't talked about
all year really coming to the forefront now in the playoffs.
And you've got some role players too, like PJ. Washington's
been there before. I just I'm fascinated to see how
this team now handles being in front, going home and
trying to close the deal. I mean, they could really
obviously they could sweep, but if as long as they
take care of business, winning one of the games on

(05:18):
their home floor, I feel comfortable they're going to close
this series out and then we just kind of wait
to see the disaster that takes place in the Eastern Conference,
and Man, Dallas Boston Kyrie going back. I mean, it's
this one has some good storylines to it if we
get a you know.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Mav Celtics final.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Man, it's just such a deflating loss for Minnesota. Where
you think about this game comes down to the final minute.
Minnesota is up by five, throw up by five points
with the minute to go, and then it was a
nice pass by Luca to Kyrie. Kyrie drains the corner three.
They're down by two. Horrible turnover by Anthony Edwards, just

(05:57):
getting caught the air, throwing it out of bounds, and
then Luke Magic hits the three, and then just to
make things worse, there's three seconds left.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Minnesota's got a chance.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Nas Reed has been unbelievable all night, just canning three
after three. It was a good look, he got a
great look, and it just rims out and they lose
a game, the second one at home. They're trailing two
to zero in the series. To have a five point
lead on the heels of Game one not going your way, right,

(06:26):
And that was close to the Karl Anthony Towns basket interference,
which would have tied the game.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
They lose Game one.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Okay, we got a five point lead in Game two,
all of a sudden, we're noted at one apiece. You know,
let's steal a game over the next two and we
got home court again. And then it all goes downward
and Minnesota loses again.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
That was crazy.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
But it wasn't just a Luca step back three, which
is deflating enough. It's having a five point lead in
the final minute and your star throws the ball out
of bounds. That's that's tough to recover from. Man.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
But I'll say one other thing real fast.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I think the NBA playoffs are like the Boston Celtics,
and well we'll dive into the Celtics a little bit
more later in the show. But the negatives stand out
more than the positives to a lot of people, whether
it's the NBA Playoffs or the Celtics. And I think
that we look at these blowout games, and there have
been a lot and it's like, there we go again,

(07:27):
another twenty point win. When are we gonna get some magic?
When are we gonna get some drama? And I'm there too,
but last night that was a sensational game. But you
watch if there's a blowout today and Halliburton can't go
and the Celtics waltz it's gonna be another collective eye
roll and man.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
When are we gonna get some drama.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's like we just got some drama last night. Let's
not forget about that.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
You know what I do hate though about the game
is you have the the Jaden McDaniels, Kyrie Irving, did
he Fowler didn't he? The so so to set it
up for anybody who missed the game, So Jada McDaniels
caught an Aaron ball the baseline. Irving was trying to
slap it out of his hands, made no contact with

(08:16):
the ball, but got McDaniel's arm. But they couldn't review
the foul. All they could refuse review was who touched
it last? So you had that situation come up and
it benefits Dallas. And obviously Dallas does what Dallas does,
and that's in that situation with Luka Doncic playing hero.

(08:38):
But I hate the fact that the biggest moment of
the night was set up by in some way the
refs misting missing a.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Crucial call that was reviewed.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
It just it's it's unsettling, right, you'd rather it be
more pure than that. I understand that the officials aren't
going to catch anything, aren't going to catch everything.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
A little bit of a Freudian slip there, they're not
going to catch.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
But it's it's one of those things where where it's
it's it's it's constant. Right with the NBA, I guess
it's the same with the NFL, where we're always belly
aching over something in a tight game that the officials
or the referees did.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
And this game was no different. And I remember feeling
in a little in a.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Little way, even though that was a special moment for
Luca and Dallas, and it, I mean blew the lid
off the place, I should say, took the air out
of the target center because they were on the road.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's still it cheapened it a little bit.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
And I hate that about basketball sometimes, like it feels
like you've got everything right there in your hands, just
do the right thing, and they can't seem to get there.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
Yeah, I didn't focus on that too much. I mean,
I agree, like there's always there's always something Brian your
your your take was fascinating with the NBA playoffs, Like
I think it's been better in the later rounds. I
always think the first rounds tough anyways, because these teams
are just usually the gap between the teams at the
top and the bottom are pretty big. But the irony
is the best first round series was a two seven,

(10:09):
you know, Nick sixers. But I think things have really
tightened up in this round. I think like the Pacers
games were great, Like the game one of the Pacers
Celtics was fantastic. I know, the second game with Haliburton
getting hurt, I think you kind of push that one
to the side.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
But these Nuggets MAVs games have been good. I think
the the.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
MAVs ecuse me, the Tols and the Nuggets play played
a couple of good games later in the series.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Earlier in the series was tough.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
I don't have any complaints about the NBA playoffs. I
think my biggest complaint right now is just Boston's road
and the Eastern Conference in general kind of opening up
for them, and that makes it really hard for me
to really figure out how good they are. I mean,
I think they're really good, but I don't know. I
think this Dallas team coming from the road they came

(10:56):
from is gonna be a lot more battle tested, and
I'll be honest, I think they're tougher. I don't know
what that number will be in the series. Obviously Boston
will be a big favorite, but I do think Dallas
is live.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
It kind of reminds me of the Dallas Miami series
from a few years ago.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
I mean, that's kind of what it reminds me of,
with the with the you know, Dirk doing his thing.
So I think there's a vibe to to what Dallas
is doing right now. That's that's really pure because of
Kyrie and Luca, and I think their role players are
playing their best at the end of the year. I
don't know if Minnesota can come back from this one.
I think Minnesota might be just still a year away
with their young core. You know, they beat Denver and

(11:35):
they kind of slag Goliath, and they just don't have
that poise to carry that momentum through.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
You saw it game seven to game one.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
I mean they had nothing in the tank game one,
and I know they were at home, but they really
needed to play better in game one, and then they
then they let one slip away, Like if they win
game one and then they let this one slip away.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
It's not as big of a deal. But I think
you saw.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Their youth and their immaturity really come to the forefront
of these last two games.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
I think it's uh man, I think it's interest thing
what Rich brought up also, and I thought the same thing.
We're talking about the final minute of the game. There's
forty seven seconds to go, and so there's a ball
that goes out of bounds, right, and the refs say
it's Minnesota's ball, yeah, and Dallas says, so we want
to challenge that, And the replay shows Kyrie just packs

(12:21):
shut Jade McDaniels and the ball goes out of bounds
off McDaniels, and so the refs are like, well, we
can't call a foul because we didn't initially call a foul. Yeah, right,
And so they go to replay. They're like, he clearly
got fouled, but we don't have the power to call
a foul, which which is silly. Yeah, if the like

(12:47):
Dallas shouldn't get the ball.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
No, that's a weird loophole. That's a weird loophole in
the rule. But I understand why it exists.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I do too, but it's it's got to change. If
Dallas goes to replay and says, hey, you can't call
a foul.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
We think the ball was off McDaniel.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
We open up a big can of worms then, where
then other teams can be like, well, I'm challenging that
because he fouled them, and it's like it makes the
game like it could happen at any point in the game.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
I know that's true, but it opens up a giant
can of one. It does, but that can't happen maybe
in the final minute.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I don't know what the system looks like. All I
know is it's ridiculous for the refs to go to
the replay. Dallas is saying, we think it's our ball,
and the refs look and they're like, it is your
ball because.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Kyrie fouled the guy.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
But we have no ability to call a foul via
replay because we didn't call one originally on the floor.
That's ridiculous and you have limited challenges.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, so I agree with you, Jared.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
It might be one of these wink wink, Hey, we're
challenging if the ball is and it's clearly a foul
that wasn't called. Yeah, okay, But if it's an obvious
foul and you go to replay to review if you
know who the ball was off and then they call
a foul.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Is that the worst thing ever?

Speaker 4 (14:03):
I don't think it is right right Like It's almost
like you wish in that situation common sense could prevail.
But the unfortunate reality is if you allow for common
sense to prevail in this situation, then it has to
in every situation, and then you'll run into that situation
you were just describing, Jared where it opens to can worms,

(14:24):
where we have the final two minutes of every basketball
game in the playoffs being.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Challenged, challenge, challenge, challenge, so.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
That we can find the foul that we can award possession,
and it'll make this game terrible. I mean, you want
to make it so there's action, and there was fortunately
after that happened. Look, I don't have a dog in
the fight. I'm not a Minnesota fan, I'm not a
Dallas fan. I'm a fan of great playoffs basketball. And
that was delivered last night, especially in the fourth quarter,
which that's been my biggest complaint over the course of

(14:54):
the playoffs so far, is when you have seven game series,
especially in the earlier game of those series, you'll see
certain teams take their foot all the way off the
accelerator in the fourth quarter because these players or these
coaches are in self preservation mode instead of attack mode,
because there's not enough on the line early in these series,

(15:15):
in certain cases where you know it's earlier in the playoffs,
and there's one way more dominant team who just had
an off shooting night, or way more dominant team who
ran into a team having a hot shooting night, like
the Celtics against the Heat earlier in their Eastern Conference playoffs,
Like it'll happen.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear get you. Well,
the Heat they put up a fighting game three, I
think it was, and.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
So the Celtics really backed off in the fourth quarter
because they knew where they were losing the game, and.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
They knew they were gonna win the series.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
And that's unfortunate for the NBA because they have such
talented players, they have obviously exciting personalities, but these playoffs
aren't urgent enough until we get to the Common Ference finals,
and that's been a big problem for me. But last
night's fourth quarter, even though you had this situation with
the referees, it didn't overshadow the Luca magic that really

(16:10):
took over Twitter and Instagram anywhere you receive your sports
content overnight because I woke up to the same highlights
of Luca that I fell asleep to last night.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
And that's the way it should be.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
In the playoffs, you should be excited about the things
that are happening on the court.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
You guys want to talk about that Rangers overtime win
last night over the Panthers.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Come on, it was trauma one one and overtime No.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Obviously, the NBA Playoffs takes center stage, and we're excited
about the things happening at the Garden. For the other
the other team that plays at the Garden, who knows,
maybe we get like a like a crazy hockey like
five six overtime game or something to like wet our whistle.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I do you think, guys, I'd be okay with that hockey.
The playoff game the night before didn't go my way.
I had cash on the Dallas Stars.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Oh, I'll be honest, I'm getting Rangers oilers vibes because
Rangers over oilers and the last.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Well, the last time the Rangers won the Cup, it
was against the Canadian team right Canucks?

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Mm hmm yet real fast. This is the way it
went down in uh game one, so over time. A
couple of nights ago, Dallas Stars against the Edmonton Oilers
power play, four minute power play.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh I watched that, Brian. I can't believe they didn't
score for the Stars.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
There's a shot that goes like, goes through.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It's a knife through.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
It's a hot knife through, butter right through a sea
of players. The crowd erupts. You know, it's hard to
see everything in live time. So I'm rooting for the Stars.
I got them in game one. The crowded simultaneously jumps
in the air and I'm like, all.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right, hit the post. Hit the post.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Friend of the Oilers in this series, and they had
a couple of chances to win that series before. I
mean that that game was nuts too. The last those
two Occy Knights have been absolutely breathtaking.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
They have been.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
There's been a lot of drama. There's no doubt. We've
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FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No coming up next. This
player says his team as much must watch TV? Is
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Speaker 1 (18:17):
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Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, man, Aaron Rodgers has been awfully chatty lately. It
is Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio. So
Aaron Rodgers one thing that caught attention this week, he
said off the Achilles injury, feels like he can do
anything on the field.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
He might be right. Time will tell.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
The other thing that he said that caught attention talked
about the Jets and all their primetime games. So they
have six primetime games in the first eleven weeks. They
also have a London game, so they have seven standalone games.
Like that's the only game going on in their first
eleven weeks. That's a lot that they are futured. And

(19:52):
he says, we are must watch TV. Whether you love
me or hate me, people want to see me play.
It might sound egotistical, but he's absolutely right. There's no
doubt about it. Aaron Rodgers is one of the most
interesting players in the NFL. And it's not like everybody
turns the TV on and says, yeah, go Rogers.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Some people say.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
They're opposite, Yeah, they want to see the guy fail.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
And so I started thinking about that.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
If you think about the term hate watch, right, yep,
Aaron Rodgers is on the list.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
The Dallas Cowboys are on the list.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
There are a lot of people who hate watch the
Cowboys and want them to crash and burn. Teams and
players anybody else not necessarily on your list, but you
think are on the list, Lebron, If it's just the NFL,
you're right about that for sure. But if it's just
the NFL, what other NFL teams are players do you
think are on the hate watch list?

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Oh, the Chiefs that they're they're turning into the Patriots
of the two thousands and twenty tens, where you know,
everybody isn't necessarily a Chiefs fan, but it feels like
everybody roots against the Chiefs when the Chiefs play, because
there it's it's it's almost like the Warriors. It's almost

(21:11):
like the Bulls, like when you have a dynasty or
a budding dynasty. People think it's awesome at first, and
then they turn on it. And we're getting to the
phase where I think the Chiefs are turning into the
most hate watched team overall.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
I think Brady was the one that came to mind,
obviously those Patriot teams.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
But I'm also a Jets fan, so you know, no, no,
you're accurate, you're highs.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
I'll be honest, this is as a Jets fan, I'm
hate watching the Jets for years. But that's another story
for another day. And they've hurt me so many times.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I guess. I guess maybe towards the.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
End of the Denver thing with Peyton, I know he's
such a likable guy, but I remember my friends, you know,
we used to call him noodle arm at the I mean,
it was just like, and he got to that Super
Bowl man, and they won that thing, but it was
it was a tough watch for Peyton at the end.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I'm trying to think of guys that I just like.
When I watched them.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
I cringe. I think I think Brady was for me,
the one of my childhood. Oh you know what, No,
I'll give you another one, because this guy stole a
Super Bowl away from me, or a Super Bowl appearance
away from me.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers, Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
I used to hate watching those those Steelers teams because
they were very boring teams back in the day, like
in their in their heyday, like they were kind of
Roethlisberger in a cloud of dust and defense and you know,
you know, the steel Curtain. It just I hated watching
those teams. But again, I'm biased as a Jets fan.
Those are the teams that bugged me when I.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Was a kid.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, listen, I hear you. And as a fan of
another team in the AFC East. You know, Jared, you're
the Jets guy. I'm the Dolphins guy. It was the Patriots.
The Patriots were so unbelievably good.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
And I've stood up for Tom Brady pretty much his career.
I think the guy gets unnecessarily criticized. But I was
absolutely hate watching his teams back then because he need standing.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
The way on my team.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, he crushed my team so many times. But
the second best thing to watching the Dolphins win a
Super Bowl, which has never happened in my lifetime, was
watching the undefeated Patriots lose their Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
That was freak insane, let me tell you. Sorry, sorry, Rich,
I didn't realize.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
I didn't realize how how people really watch sports until
I got to the NFL and I experienced I listen.
I mean at the time, I'm a backup offensive lineman
for the Patriots, and for the most part, yeah, I
received really nice interactions from fans, you know, or fans

(23:49):
of the sport, people who didn't necessarily know me. But
it wasn't until I got to the NFL that I
realized that hate watching was a thing, because I would
run into people. I grew up in New York, so
I was surrounded by Jets and Giants fans. I would
run into people who'd be like, wait a second, you
play for the Pats.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
I'd be like yeah. I'd be like, oh my gosh,
that's awesome man, I e and hate your yeah, and
I'd be like what. I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
I turn on those games just to watch them lose.
Sometimes I'm not even watching the Giants game I'm watching.
I'm I'm waiting for the Patriots to lose so I
could switch over. I'm like, well, that doesn't happen very often.
He was like, I know, you know what, Actually I
think I kind of hate you too, So I'm just
gonna stuck.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
This guy say like it really it was. It was.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
It was my first experience of that, But it's true.
I think those Patriots teams, I think the Chiefs are
heading in that direction. I completely agree with this whole
Aaron Rodgers phenomenon and what he said. Yeah, He's absolutely right.
It's must watch for good or for bad. Look, there
are certain names that cut through the zeitgeist and divide
the room. And this obviously crosses over, you know, all

(24:57):
entertainment or politics. But Lebron he'll divide a room. Jake Paul,
he'll divide a room. If we want to venture into politics, Trump,
he'll divide a room. Really, any politician, name one, it
doesn't matter. But like there are certain people Rogers, Rogers
is now a guy where there's some love for Rogers.

(25:18):
Don't get that wrong, Like people love them, but then
there's a huge faction of people who dislike him very much.
And he understands that in an attention economy, it really
doesn't matter whether you're hate watching or your love watching.
You're watching, and that makes him popular and that makes
him money.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
That's the one thing I've always given then.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Rogers has obviously had his polarizing moments over his career,
and I always give him credit though because unlike a
lot of other athletes, Although this narrative is changing a
lot now over the last year or so, now that
every athlete has their own podcast, but before every athlete
had their own podcast, Aaron Rodgers every week would face

(25:59):
the media and like give you his whatever's on his mind,
Like and some people think that's over the top, and
that's fair. You're entitled to your opinion, but I appreciate
getting a peek behind the curtain because the only thing
that I can use to help me place bets and
analyze the market is information and kind of like a

(26:20):
poker table. Aaron Rodgers doesn't care, like he'll just tell
you what he has, and it's to me an interesting
way to go about business because we're in such a
guarded era for athletes. I mean, your former coach Rich
was the king of this, Like he wouldn't give you anything. Yeah,
Aaron gives us everything, Like we know exactly what he's
thinking about every topic, whether it has to do with
football or not. And I respect that as someone who

(26:45):
isn't forced to do that. He's doing that because he
likes to do it. He likes to talk, he likes
to share his opinion. And again, as a professional athlete
in a high profile position, that is a rare thing.
It's becoming, well that's rare now, but five years ago,
I think when he first started the whole McAfee thing,
like that was really rare and we'd see him every week,

(27:08):
like every stinking week. He would be on on TV
giving us his opinions about everything, and that is a
reason why people hate him. People hate people just hate
another person who's having success, who's famous. It really doesn't
matter what they say or what they stand for. People
just want to bring you down. Like I'm sure, I'm
convinced that I have people on social media that literally

(27:29):
just follow me so when I lose, they can talk
trash like there's no other reason why that they are
following someone besides hating them.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
It is a very we live in a very hater society.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well, I'll give you a couple of hate watch players
right around the corner. But first though, we don't hate
listen to this guy.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Oh no, we love this guy.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Now we love listen to Isaac Low and Kron. That's it,
new term love listen. I love's got the latest here.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
A couple things on that. By the way, if they
hate listen, they're still listening.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
That's true. Yep, the Howard Stern thing right there.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I love also Jared, one of your followers whose profile
picture is an egg at GSDK forty three, that is
one of my burners. Hate following you?

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Oh yeah, well, I'm convinced you should see.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
You guys should see some of the stuff that I get.
And we're rich.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
You probably got it worse during your career, but I
get it pretty bad now. When I lose a bet
or when I just like give out my bets.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's wild. I get it bad from Milwaukee.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Oh, I get it so bad, and I love it
because it means they care. Like imagine a grown person
like taking time from his day to like smash on
the keyboard angry thoughts like hate.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
That's that's how it is to be honest with you. Also, Brian,
uh huh at triumphant six twelve. That's me.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
It's as well. Huh, Burners, you have long crin. It
takes time to run all these rich Yes.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
How you doing their pal doing well? Yeah? So rich
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Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, yeah, so that's you. That's me. I knew it. Wow.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Profile picture of a young, dark haired woman steering out
a window. I found that online. Okay, now that I've
cleared my conscious, how about some sports.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Game two of the NBA's Western Conference Finals on Friday
at I saw the Dallas Mavericks trail the Minnesota Timberwolves
by two points of the dying seconds. Here was Kevin
Harlan on tntchis.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
St Dallases taking the.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Lead and the game one oh nine to one oweight.
They leave the series at two games to nine. In
Game two of the NHL's Eastern Conference Finals on Friday night,
the New York Rangers and Florida Panthers were tied at
one in overtime. Here's Don Lagreca on w EPN.

Speaker 9 (30:19):
Trouper flips it out the center knocked down my Getro
fine strocheck back out the Parkley control.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
We are tied one. It's now aft to five as
the Rakers win it over time to the on.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
In Major League Baseball on Friday night, the Yankees at
four home runs at an eight nothing victory at San Diego.
They've won ten of twelve. The Cleveland Guardians have won
seven in a row. They won over the Angels in
Anaheim ten to four, Jose Ramirez two home runs and
four RBI. Finally, in the w NBA on Friday night,
the Indiana Fever got their first win of the year

(31:00):
with a seventy eight to seventy three road victory over
the Los Angeles Sparks. Caitlin Clark hit two big three
pointers down the stretch. He finished with eleven points, ten rebounds,
and eight assists in front of a crowd of nineteen thousand,
one hundred and three fellas.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
This is at.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Kelly brad l four seven, three oh three. Back to you,
Thank you, I Low.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
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Speaker 3 (31:25):
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after we get off the air. We were talking about
hate watching. Aaron Rodgers had a quote. He said, speaking

(31:45):
of the Jets and all their primetime games, we are
must watch TV. Whether you love me or hate me,
people want to see me play. I think he's absolutely correct.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Spot on.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I'll give you a couple other players here. One is indisputable.
Deshaun Watson, oh Browns quarterback.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Good call. Just the matter.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
If the Browns have a successful season, they're winning games,
they're in the playoffs, they have a deep run. You know,
as well as I do. There'd be a lot of
people hate watching the creepy quarterback. That's just indisputable.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Right there.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
I'll give you another guy that you might initially think really,
Rock Purdy, Rock Purty is a great hate watch quarterback
because you're the way it works, right I think a
lot of people will say he's good, not great, got
a lot of talent around him, and the party police
come for your freaking jugular, you know, and the conversation

(32:38):
turns into after a win, look at Purdy's iron will
All the guy does is make plays and why are
these haters selling him short? And then the people that
are like good night Greater are like, oh my gosh,
these freaking Purty fanatics. He is a great hate watch
candidate right there. There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
I love, I love, love love that you mentioned Brock
Party because it would have never come to my mind.
I work in San Diego. On my local radio show,
I work with a Niners fan. He he will, and
a dozen or a couple dozen of people on the
internet during the football season will defend Brock Party like

(33:21):
it's the second coming of Jesus Christ. Yes, I mean,
and now listen, you have full name too, you whole name,
Hayesus Christo, whatever you call your savior, it doesn't matter.
That's how Niners feel like this guy. Niners fans, I
should say, feel like this guy walks on water. And
the truth is Rock Party is a really nice quarterback.

(33:42):
The truth is he's a really smart player. He's got
a good enough arm to throw all of the big
boy NFL throws. I think he gets a little bit
rattled in big moments. We saw that in this postseason.
I think there's absolutely room to grow and he may
just continue growing and continue wowing us, because if you're
really paying attention, he's done some wow things over his

(34:05):
entrance into this NFL as mister irrelevant, the fact that
we're not allowed to call him mister irrelevant in the
shadow of a forty nine Ers fan is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Like they act like, well, he's not irrelevant at all.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
It's like no, no, no, you don't understand this, Like
the Niners didn't think he was relevant. John Lynch picked
him last in the draft. He is an undrafted free
agent if he isn't selected with the last overall pick
in the NFL draft, which is fine. I don't understand
why we have to have revisionist history over this. Brock

(34:42):
Purty is a really nice quarterback. Brock perty is an
exceptional for a young quarterback to have as much success
as he's had. But brock Purdy is benefiting also greatly
from the system he's in. But if you talk to
a forty nine er fan, you're talking about John Elway,
you're talking about Dan Marino, you're talking about a young

(35:03):
Tom Brady. You know in twenty five years we're gonna
be roasting him at a dais and celebrating his Hall
of Fame career.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
You jerk. That's how forty nine or fans react when
you come after brock Purdy.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
When you said something like that, oh, he's a nice quarterback,
it just gave me flashbacks to every time I've been
broken up with in my entire life.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Really nice guy. But you know it's just to just
to this or you to that.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
I Brock is the perfect example, because Brock is the
example that there's such a polarizing opinion of where his
talents actually lie. Like say what you want about Aaron
Rodgers or Tom Brady, they're the thinking best, Like they're
the best at their position.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
In their industry, right, like they're the pinnacle.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
Whereas Brock, there's this polarizing he's so good but or
he's not so good but like there's really and frankly,
the arguments are very very valid on both sides, like
he is really good but and he's not really good.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
But it is a really interesting debate.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
In fact, I'm curious, you know, and maybe we'll still
be on the air when we can have this conversation
in like ten years. But where we remember Brock, like
like where he like we all know how Aaron Rodgers
is going to be Remember you canna remember Ember? It
was one of the greatest quarterbacks of his generation. I
think if he wins another Super Bowl, he will you know,
cemit that. But even if he doesn't win a Super

(36:29):
Bowl with the Jets, he will still be considered one
of the greatest quarterbacks of his generation. We're not having
that conversation about Brock. What conversation will we have about
Brock in ten years when he hangs it up like
that to me, is in it or maybe it's less
than that, maybe it's more who knows. I think that
is what makes him such a polarizing topic of conversation, like,

(36:50):
for example, we're not talking about any other mister irrelevance,
Like when was the last mister irrelevant we talked about
in this debate, Like it doesn't happen a guy drafted
that late has this much of an impact.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
I know Tom was kind of there, but he wasn't
the last pick.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
So it's just it really is a fascinating topic of
conversation to kind of see where people fall on the
brock in or out, go toor not.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
He is Jared Smith right there.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
FSR betting analyst Rich Ornberger with us Fenn State All American.
I'm Brian No coming up next. Jared Smith has been
hard at work, huh, hand crafting a parlay platter for you.
He will unveil it next. It's Fox Sports Saturday, right
here on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday,
right here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
We don't have time to waste. Let's get into this.

Speaker 7 (37:35):
Check this out our late letter.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Okay, Jared Smith, we are all ears.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
What have you cooked up for us today?

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Yeah? So I have not had a whole good time
betting the NBA props, the blowouts, this and that. So
we're going away from the NBA for the parlay platter today,
and we're running sprinting towards my beloved first inning wagers.
So bet MGM has this awesome thing where you can
bet on we've done the the full game nurfy, right,
like both.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Teams in the first inning. Well, now we're customizing it.
This is alac Harte nurfy.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Because you could take individual teams in each half inning
and then smush them together from different games and create
what I like to call a custom neurfy lay, a
neurfy parlay, as you say, So let's do that. And
I have three teams that I think will not score
in the first inning today. These are all from different games.
Let's start with the Mets Giants game that'll start in

(38:30):
a couple hours. Here, we're gonna go with the Mets
not to score. They're facing Jordan Hicks converted closer for
the Giants. He's four and zero on the road to
the nurfy this year, and he's gonna give you a
ninety seven mile an hour cheese in.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
The first inning.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
And the Mets just you know, they actually scored in
the first inning last night, but even with that still
just a sixteen percent scoring rate in the opening frame.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
That's well below league average.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
The Athletics again, another team that scored yesterday off Justin
Verlander in the opening frame and then didn't do a
whole lot after that. It was an unearned run off Orlander.
But Oakland is just is the dregs of the Kegs offensively.
There's seven for their last seventy seven against righty's in
the first inning. So yeah, we're gonna bet on Oakland
not to score today against Spencer Arragatty.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
He's been kind of up and down this year. And
then finally the late night game.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
It'll be basically a time parlay, so we'll get early
afternoon and now late night Guardians facing Jose Soriano today
for the Angels, who's gonna give you one hundred mile
an hour cheese in the opening inning? And Cleveland another
just brutal offense on the road a fourteen percent scoring
rate four times they've scored in twenty eight road games

(39:34):
this year. So Cleveland, Oakland and the Metros not to
score in the first inning.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
If you smush all those together, it's plus one forty
two over at that MGM.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Wow, So what's the what's the stat on was it Oakland?

Speaker 5 (39:48):
Oakland in the first inning against Righty's seven for their
last seventy seven.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
True, there's seven and seventy.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
Basically, it's in seventy seven at bats, seven hits in
seventy seven at bats in the first Chad Wild.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
That is a fun I love.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
I love baseball for that reason that you can dig
into any inning. You could do it at any time frame,
like how did they hit in the afternoon on odd day?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yep, like they have a stat on everything.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
I look at day games too, because some teams, like
Oakland's terrible, Like Oakland offense.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Is disgusting how bad they are at certain times.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
But it's a beautiful thing if you're on the Nerfy train.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, that's exactly it is.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
That's the thing, man, There's nothing sweeter than a three up,
three down if you're on a note. Yeah, I know
it is crazy, but quick you get a quick ruling
on that. Hey, come it up next. Your expectations impact
your opinions, especially with this team. You know, your expectations

(40:58):
impact your opinions, and I think that is especially true
with the Boston Celtics. Okay, so think about this. The
Boston Celtics have been heavily criticized during the playoffs this season,
and some of the criticisms are legitimate, but it's taken
way way, way way, wait, wait, way too far where

(41:20):
you can't trust this team. What is happening here with Okay,
they lost a game in the first round right to
the Miami Heat, who didn't have Jimmy Butler. The Miami
Heat hit like twenty three three pointers. Yeah, insane, right,
And then the Celtics they fell asleep at the wheel

(41:40):
the next round against the Cavs and that was surprising.
And then they almost lost game one against the Pacers.
Should have lost game one, but it was this dramatic
turn of events. Pacers couldn't inbound the ball, they elected
not to foul. Jalen Brown hits a corner three, which
is a sensational shot, but they don't get credit.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
You know what I'm saying. I think that it's a
weird dynamic.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Here where our criticisms show how much we expect from
the Celtics. They're a highly talented team, they don't have
many flaws at all, and we expect them to be
good pretty much every night, and when they aren't, we
freak out and we take it too far. Well, I

(42:30):
put it this way. This is the best way I
could explain it. I think the Celtics are not the
bright shiny toy anymore. The bright shiny toy going into
the Western Conference Finals is the Minnesota Timberwolves. It was
Anthony Edwards. It's the tea Wolves. They just took down Jokic,
the defending champs, the Nuggets.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
They crash and burn the Wolves.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
This guy, Anthony Edwards, he's Michael Jordan esque at times.
If the Timberwolves pulled out Game one the same way
the Boston Celtics did, it would have been talked about
completely differently. With the Celtics, It's like, what are the
Pacers doing?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
These idiots? Man, The Celtics are so lucky.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
If the Timberwolves won the game the same way and
they hit a clutch three to tie the game one
and overtime, we wouldn't shut up Anthony Edwards, this young superstar,
this team, my goodness, dynamic.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
It's just that we've seen Boston.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
We expect more from them, and when they don't measure
up to our expectations, we overreact.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
It's the classic example here. So Boston.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
I think the NBA in general has a likability problem.
I was talking about that in the first hour, Brian,
but you bring up an interesting point. I think Boston
is a perfect microcosm of the NBA in general. They've
got a serious likability problem too. Like Jason Tata when
he was talking about the expectations on the Celtics, where

(44:04):
he said, you know, the narrative is we're a super team,
but we don't have a Coach of the Year or
an MVP and we only had two All Stars.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
So how could how could you say we're a super.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Team and we're not rewarded like a super team and
everybody's like shot up like like like like it's it's annoying.
It's like, you know, there's no there, like there's there's
no star on Boston's team that you really connect with,
like Luca in that win with Dallas, and and again,

(44:38):
I think the NBA has kind of fumbled Luca his personality.
He could he could be a star in this league,
but he's he's just not cutting through and he's fun.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
He's fun at times.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
I mean, he might he might be wandering into that
moment where he reaches superstart in in this league. But
you know, he's he really hasn't stepped into that role yet.
He's a star, well really, he's a great player, but
he doesn't want to be a star. He wants to
go and disappear to Serbia and buy horses in the offseason.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
He can't wait to get out of here, you know,
when the season's over.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
He was bummed out last year, the reigning MVP and
an NBA champion and a Finals MVP was bummed out
that the parade was booked a couple of days later
because he wanted to get on the first thing smoking
to Serbia so he could go celebrate his NBA season
with his countrymen. I don't blame him, that's home, but

(45:35):
that does hurt the NBA in terms of likability.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
And then you look at the Boston Celtics.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
This team may win a Finals and nobody is going
to care except for the city of Boston because they
have a bunch of guys who feel a little too entitled.
That's the problem that the Boston Celtics have.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
It's the NBA in general.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
I mean, it's the Stars League. I think the baseball
world has the opposite of this problem, where the best
players on a team that hasn't been in the playoffs
in a million years, and no one even knows he
even exists, Like does Mike Trout even exists. I know
he's injured right now. But like it, it's kind of
the opposite.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Of that problem. It's almost like these guys have too
much of the influence.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
And we could use a little bit more team and
a little bit less star, but that's just not the
way the sport is constructed.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I think the NBA actually works.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Better when there is a like a villain, and I
think it's obvious this year that it's I don't want
to say it's obvious. I guess maybe that's a little
bit too heavy, But to me, the villain this year
is Boston, right because of what you guys are saying,
They've had the easiest path to the finals that maybe
any team has ever had in the history of the NBA.
I mean, they're playing every single team without their star players,
and they're playing in a conference that is the weaker. Like,

(46:47):
not only do they have the easier road because of
injury luck, but they're also in the easier conference to
begin with. So it's like it'd be one thing if
the Western Conference was going through this, it's still tough
to get through the West. Like even if the t
Wolves didn't have Anthony d it would still be tough
to go on the road and beat them because they're
a very deep and talented team. With the Eastern Conference
teams that Boston has faced, I mean, it was like

(47:08):
the only player that Miami had with a pulse out,
the only player that Cleveland had with a pulse last
two games of this series out their best big man
who rebounds a million times games out like it was
it's just and now Halliburn out. And we don't know
that for sure, but if he is, let's be honest,
Boston's cake walking to the finals. This is one of
the easiest paths we've seen to the finals. And then
they're gonna get on their high horse and talk about

(47:30):
being a super team, like who have you beaten to
deserve that status? Like, But to be fair, even the
Lebron Miami super team lost in the finals, so that
Dallas Mavericks team.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
That would be hilarious if that's the way it played
out this year.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
But I just I think there's a lot of negative
vibes around this Boston team, and I don't think anything
they can do or say now is gonna change that.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Well, think about it like this.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
They definitely have had an easy path because of what
you just said there, Jared against the Heat, Jimmy Butler,
also Jimei Hawkes, who was a very good rookie, he
was banged up. Then against the Cavs, Donovan Mitchell missed
the final two games. Jared Allen an All Star, he
missed the series. Like, so that's that's advantageous for the Celtics.

(48:16):
And then now Halliburton might not be a full go
he's hampered by a hamstring injury. So that's been a
favorable path the Celtics. They don't have Borzingis, who's a
definitely one of their key guys, great rim protector, and
they haven't had him for a number of games, and
they're winning in gentleman sweeps, you know. Yeah, Yeah, They're

(48:39):
running through these teams and it's like Boston is like
an NFL number one overall draft pick. We just saw
this with Caleb Williams of the Bears, where the guy's
got talent for days, but leading up to the draft,
we're nitpicking the flaws where it's like, well, I don't
know about this or that or that's what the Boston

(49:01):
Celtics are. They're a number one draft pick. Where we
don't look at the strengths, we dwell on the weaknesses
and ask yourself this, if it's Boston and Dallas in
the finals, Sure Boston's had a favorable path, but are
you counting them out?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
You think Dallas is are the favorite?

Speaker 10 (49:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:18):
So yeah, it's been a favorable path. But I think
it's silly that we're just spending all this time. The
media is like they're under the magnifying glass with what
they don't do well. Their home record the last three
years in the playoffs is seventeen and fourteen. They've had
some embarrassing losses. It should not be that bad. That's
something to point out, But to dwell on it as

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if there isn't an upside, or that they don't have
a great chance to win it all.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
If you didn't watch the NBA and you just went
by the popular opinions of the Celtics, you would think
they're the Charlotte Hornets. You would think they absolutely suck.
So that's all I'm saying, is the critic SYSM goes
too far.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah, Yeah, I don't disagree with anything you just said,
but look, there are certain franchises in basketball that have
cultural rot right, like they're it just feels like they're
not going to get out of their own way. They're
not going to do any sort of winning anytime soon.
That's not the Celtics. That's not the reason why, uh

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they're in this conversation as a team that underplays their
expectations or people seem to be off put by them.
It's not one of those situations. They've been good, I
mean historically been they've been good, and they're good.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Now they're good still. They're they're they're also.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
They have good players like I you know, like there's
nothing wrong with Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum, like they're
they're good players in their overall pretty good people.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I mean Jalen Brown is like, yeah, he's.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
Like an intellectually curious, he's like an activist.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
He's a good human being.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
But for whatever reason, when you put these people in
these Boston uniforms and they and I'm telling you, and
they they underperform in any way, shape or form, it
feels like there is almost an entitlement that's inherited and
maybe it's because you're you're still feeling the reverberations from

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the Bird years. I don't know, but there's something going
on with that jersey that when people see it, they
get the ick. They just can't stand it. And unless
you're winning championship after championship where respect has to be given,
where respect is, do people take any chance to attack
the Boston Celtics.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
And it's been like this my entire life. I mean,
I remember growing.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Up in New York and Jared you know this too, Yep,
as a Knicks well, I wasn't an ex fand that
I was a Bulls fan because Michael Jordan was everything
to every kid of the nineties.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
But I live than a.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
House of Knicks fans, and every time the Boston Celtics
played the Knicks, it was like, I don't know why
we care so much, but everybody wanted to see the
Celtics lose.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Like so, I think there's just something to it.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Brian, You've nailed it, like there there is an unnecessary
amount of hatred that goes their way. But there is
something about certain franchises where certain franchises like they just stink,
and historically they stink like, think about the the Washington
Commanders right now, Like there's rot, like and you just
know somehow it's not gonna.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Work out, right when you think about a team that's.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Just hated and it's passed down for generations historically, like
the Boston Celtics are that in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Yeah, here's the difference between Washington the Commanders and the Celtic.
Celtics have won recently, and I think Washington, the reason
there's rot is because of the owner and not because
of the players, right, I think that's the big difference.
I think, frankly, this isn't it goes back to what
we were talking about earlier, hate watching like it's success
guys like you know, that's why people hate the Yankees.

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It's not because their players are you know, not nice
people like Aaron Judge is a fantastic human being. Like
all of these people are great people. But they're wearing pinstripes.
You're gonna hate them unless you're a Yankees fan. Like
that's just the way it is.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
And I think the best players are the ones that
use it as fuel.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
And that's why Tatum said what he said that And
I wasn't that critical of that I'm not gonna be
too critical of what I'm never overly critical of what
players say postgame unless they're like coming after a reporter
or another player, if they're just voicing their opinions. And
Rich you know this too, like you use things as
fuel and then you say it to then reinforce it

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in your mind, almost like a manifestation. And I think
that's where this Boston team is like. And every frankly
every team that's competing for a title, it's a US
versus the world mentality, even if it's not, even if
it's not that you create these storylines in your head
to manufacture this motivation and it works, it works, and

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and I think that's what Boston's done here, and if
they go to win the title, and their entire narrative
the entire time is everyone hates us, everyone's against us,
blah blah blah. Even if that's not true, Brian, to
your original point about you know us being overly critical,
I think the players will still create it in their
minds because that is what they use to gain that

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extra edge and to find that finishing kick to get across,
you know, to get across the end line and win
a title, and I'm okay with that. Like, if that's
what you need in order to give you your edge,
is to make us the media the enemy, go ahead,
we make you guys the enemy all the time. Do
whatever you gotta do in your mind to get yourself
right to play. So, yeah, we're gonna say what we're

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gonna say. But I think at the end of the day,
Boston's gonna create whatever narrative they need to in order
to get themselves up for these games.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Our trusted producer Bo Benson has something on this. We
are all ears a Bo.

Speaker 11 (55:06):
Yeah. This is the unfortunate part of my job here
is I have to fact check people sometimes. Jared said,
the Celtics have won recently, you have to go all
the way back to when I was one year out
of high school, the last time they've.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Won before the Washington game. They have.

Speaker 11 (55:22):
They have the same amount of rings in the last
thirty forty They've.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Also been of the finals.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
You've had success, Like I was just compared Washington, which
they haven't barely been of the playoffs in the last decade.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Yeah, and I and my my comparison to the Commanders
probably was it. It's confusing. I mean, like certain certain
franchises they have different problems, right, Like everybody comes after
the Commanders because historically they've stunk.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
How about this, Yeah, yeah, maybe a little more cowboy
like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
That's okay, that's perfect. Right, they've won, but they haven't
really won.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Yes, yes, that's perfect, like always the brides maid, never
the pride, right, but they're still coasting. It feels off
of their successes of yesteryear and they're a popular brand.
But when you're on the outside looking in, you're like,
why why is everybody? Why does everybody care so much
about the Cowboys? And it's the same thing with that

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is the perfect comparison, Brian, Yeah, that is the so
with the Celtics, it's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Like if you're a Celtics fan, it's like you get it.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Like it's it's a long standing history of successes or
almost successes as of late. You know, last time they've
really been successful was Doc Rivers and KG and Ray
Allen and Paul Pierce. Right you know, but but and
that's a long way away now. But when you think
about the Celtics, you do think about success, but also

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you're kind of annoyed by them, and that's very similar
to how people feel about the Cowboys. There's no reason
to hate Dak Prescott, Like, there's no reason that you
wouldn't like Dak Prescott except for the fact that he's
wearing a Cowboys uniform. And I feel like Brown Tatum
Celtics of the past, Marcus Smart, it doesn't matter who

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puts on that jersey, people will find reasons to dislike
them because they're wearing that hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
But even to be fair, like even the Cowboys, like
the Celtics, the last two years have been to the
Eastern Conference Finals and the NBA Finals, like the last
time the Cowboys the NFC Championship game. So like again,
when I say they've won recently, they have been to
basically the pinnacle of the mountain.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
They just haven't gotten over the hump.

Speaker 10 (57:35):
Yeah it I think we lost Brian here. Let him
back here real quick.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
That's one of the things that I love about basketball,
that I love about sports is it doesn't matter what
side you land on the debate, there's something to chew on,
Like the Boston Celtics.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Look, there's no reason to really really disavow.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
Them for any reason or to you know, crush them
for any reason outside of loyalty to another brand or
overly critical.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
I mean, we as a society are very overly critical
of everything that is that happens in sports, and I
understand why, but it's just the way we are as
a society.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we take it a little
bit too far. But interesting, I'll put a bow on
it right here, real fast. I think this is a
perception shifting playoff run for the Celtics, meaning this, if
they win it all this season, it's not just about
this season. We're gonna reevaluate previous seasons. You know, it's

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gonna shift everything from this team can't be trusted, they
can't win big, and we're gonna look on the heels
of a championship this season and say, well, I mean,
losing to the Golden State Warriors isn't the worst thing ever.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
And they've made it to the Eastern Conference finals six
of the.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Past eight years. That's an amazing run. If they win,
it all shifts everything. If they agreed, don't everything stays
the same, like the Marino discussion, right, yeah, absolutely right.
If he won at the end, it would change how
you looked at the rest of the career. John Elway,
John Elway, I can't win it, all right, Yeah, So

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if the Celtics win, they'll.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Be like Elton.

Speaker 10 (59:19):
If I can add once one thing, real quick, real quick,
that I think we've left out of this gumbo about
the Celtics and Bo Bo got close to it, but
he wouldn't admit it. In that there is the element
in that a much bigger fan base out there, much
more popular team in the NBA absolutely loathes the Celtics
and wants to see them fail at every turn, and
that that cannot be ignored here, that can absolutely not

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be ignored. That there is a number one and they
despise number two that is stomping around in the garden.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
It would be the Los Angeles Lakers, folks. Yes, there
you go.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
All right, We've got Rich Ornberger, Penn State All American,
Jared Smith FSR betting analyst.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
I'm Brian. No props to Bob Benson and Chris Prefet
huh checking it up. They're very nice. I love it
all right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Right around the corner, some contract negotiations have taken quite
the interesting turn. Well, have some details for you. It's
Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio. It
is Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio. So
Dak Prescott, looking for a big payday Cowboys quarterback, took

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a bit of an interesting turn here during the week.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Is commented Cowboys OTAs he said, I don't play for money,
have never cared for it, to be honest with you. Nice,
come on, and that's a lie, Dak, I love you,
but that's a lie. Come on, man, what are we
doing this good? That's not a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Never even really cared for money, to be honest with you.
That's just not even believable.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
We know it's just not Yeah, it's just never cared
for it myself. The PR campaign, so people talk about it,
I just say, hey, what's the fuss? Gang, That's all
I'm not really for making Yeah, yeah, listen, that might
be cool for you guys, but like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Now, money it was to be like jewels at the
end of pulp fiction and Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
You know, let me tell you something. I I They're
I can't even hear this gloat.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
I I I actually do like Dak Prescott. I think
that I think that he seems like a good hang.
He seems like a good dude. I I don't want
to be overly critical for someone I don't know personally,
but but I can tell you what I've observed, Like
this is somebody who will do the thing that NFL
players do where you know, not all of them, by

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the way, Like, for example, Jason Kelsey shows up to
games or had during the course of his career wearing
flip flops and gray sweatshorts. You know, he didn't he
didn't do the thing where he's flashing his wealth. Yeah,
he's wearing the designer suits. Dak Prescott. Now that's a
guy who's good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Go out there and dress to the nines for every
single game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Dapper, dapper, Dak okay also Dak also Dak Prescott. Like
he he he buys the luggage that's like you know
this yeh luggage set.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah, Like it's the same amount as some people spend
on cars.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
So when you're the guy who's wearing like the designer
Armani suit and the guy who's like wearing the like
you know, sometimes he's wearing designers that people haven't even
heard of yet because he has a celebrity stylist helping
him out with his pregame fits, and you're the dude
who's getting onto the plane with the twenty plus thousand
dollars piece of luggage and your quote at Otas's money.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Never heard of it? Like, okay, Dak, that one rings
a little hollow. Yeah again, I have not heard this story.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
I did not hear this, But now that I'm looking
at some of the interviews, yeah, I mean it could
have been. It looks like he's joking a little bit
when he's talking about I mean, I think there's a
part of this that could be tongue in cheek.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
No, you you think he is dead panning? Serious? He
give it all up? No, no for the month.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
No, no.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
But it's just it's a PR thing. It's a little
bit like Russell Wilson, right, Like I agree, it's a
PR thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, I agree, it's a PR thing. But I'm okay,
I'm okay. I'm never gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Hammer these guys for listening to their PR people. Maybe
the PR people are the ones we should be scrutinizing
because they they and I've been in these meetings with
college athletes, but I've been in these meetings before.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
It's basically like school all over again. Like you are
telling the.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
Kids you can say this and nothing else, and like
then you get up there in front of the microphone
and you're just scared and you're like repeating back what
you were told earlier. Now Dak's done this a million times,
I would expect him to be a little more suave
about it, you know, at this stage of his career,
to be media trained. But this has to be planted

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from someone else in his people, in his PR and
agent group.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
As this negotiation is playing out, there is no way
it is true.

Speaker 11 (01:04:06):
No way.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
He doesn't care about money. It's a no, it's not
even believable. That's the whole point is. We get it
from a PR standpoint. He doesn't want to be known
as the guy who's the greedy quarterback who's got the
cowboys over a barrel and he's gonna take every last
red cent, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Like, he doesn't want to be known as that guy
opposite We would kill him anyways. Like either way he says.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
It, we're gonna kill him, right, but yeah, his money
hunger were gonna call him for that because he's not
because he's lying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Well that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
But if he says I've never cared for money. To
be honest with you, it's like, bro, that's not even believable.
But this is to me, the larger discussion is when
you think about Dak Prescott. He put up numbers, a
career best thirty six touchdown passes last season led the NFL,
and yet you know as well as I do, the

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Cowboys are like, you know, grinding their teeth long term extension.
Though the Dolphins are in a similar position with tu
a tongue of ilo to put up numbers, and yet
the Dolphins are like, that's a heck of a commitment
right here, right, And so I think Dak and Tua
are similar where you're not racing to the brinks truck

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to back it up for those guys because the money.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Has gotten so huge. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
If you don't have a top five guy and you're
giving him top five money, that's not putting you in
a good position for success.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
So here, here's the way I look at quarterbacks, and
I think every team would benefit from taking this advice.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
You can't look at it that way, and I agree
with you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
It's an uncomfortable proposition to pay a guy who's not
top five, top five money. I completely agree with that statement. However,
we can live in both worlds where just because you're
paying a guy top five money doesn't mean that he's
a top five quarterback because think about quarterbacks like real estate,
like the housing market. There are times where you're going
to pay top of the market prices for maybe the

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tenth best house on that block. It's just because you're
buying the neighborhood. Like when you buy you know, Manhattan
right off Central Park, or you buy Beverly Hills. You're
not buying the place necessarily, you're buying the zip code.
So Dak Prescott, is he a top half quarterback in
the league?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Are there times where he's a top ten quarterback in
the league. The answer is yeah, So you're gonna pay
a premium just to be in that zip code. And
that's the reason why sometimes guys like a Dak Prescott,
you know, like a Kirk Cousins, like you know pretty
soon here, maybe a Tua pretty soon here, maybe a
brock Purty who you know. There are mixed reviews, mixed

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thoughts on exactly how much these guys should be paid.
Will be paid an absurd amount of money because the
estate is really expensive when you're shopping in those zip codes.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
Yeah, and talking to someone who used to live on
the Upper east Side during the pandemic, I can tell
you I was not paying for what I was living in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
No, it was a shoebox.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
Speaking of shoeboxes, I mean relatively speaking, guys, Dak Prescott's
basically living on Baltic Avenue. He's only the eleventh highest
paid quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
And think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Jared is eleventh. He's eleventh, and what have the Cowboys done?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
How far have they?

Speaker 7 (01:07:32):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Daniel Jones is also eleventh though, good question.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
But you understand what I'm saying, is you back up
to brins truck even more. It's not like he's made
minimum wage. He's made big money, but he's gonna make
bigger money. What would make you think the team results
are going to change when you have to skimp elsewhere?

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
So the interesting conversation with quarterbacks, I like how Rich
played it out like real estate. It really is like
real estate, and you have to ask yourself two questions.
Are you buying a house that is ready to live in?
Or are you buying a house that still needs work.
With Dak still needs work. We need to we need
to make sure the offensive line's good. We need to

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make sure with a guy like Mahomes, it's ready to
live in right away. Like you don't need anything else.
Clearly they've proven that doesn't matter. Tyreek Hill gone, anything gone.
You can live in that house right away. Joe Burrow,
I think you feel the same way about that. I
think with that you need more. So if you need more,
if you need to, if you need to move into
the house. And I've never bought a house, thank good,

(01:08:30):
I don't know if I'm ever going to, based on
what my sister's currently telling me about her, you know,
move in that she's got to fix up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
You still got to pump money into it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
Like so what you buy, like the price tag of
Dak Prescott's forty million dollars salary, that doesn't you can't
live in the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
House with just that. Like that's the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
I think that these quarterbacks and these contracts and these
teams are running into You're buying these houses on these
fantastic streets.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
But you have to gut them, you have to completely
renovate them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
You know, put on rich go ahead, you good you get.
Let's let's circle back to this in a minute, though.
First we want to hear from our guy, Isaac Lohan
crawn which again you talk about real estate.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Oh, I mean park place. That's right, boardwalk for I
low with the latest year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Oh, it was not a boardwalk with a different spelling.
In the playoffs last night, we start in the NBA
Game two of the Western Conference Finals and the Dallas
Mavericks trailing the Minnesota Timmerwolves by two points in the
final seconds. Here was Chuck Cooperstein on k E g
L against Colbert was seventh at six.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
At five, the twait is fast stepping back for the West.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Win three seconds to down, tie down Minnesota dodgecs look
crossover and the pat that stepped back at the Mavericks
has brought one oh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Nine to one away.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
That was the final. They leave the series two games
to nine. In Game two of the NHL's Eastern Conference Finals,
the New York Rangers and Florida pan Anthers, we're tied
at one in overtime at Madison Square Garden. Here's Don
look Greca on w E p.

Speaker 9 (01:10:06):
N Trouper flips it out the center knocked down by
a drow fine stroke checks back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Out the Parkley. That's awesome. I love Don McGregor. He
was fantastic at his job. The Rakers quitting over time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
What the heck you guys want an encore of that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Yeah? So good.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
He set some unbelievable radio launch Troke checked back out
the Parkley.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
From zero to one hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Wait beyond hit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
The We're gonna go to Minnesota, We're gonna go to Iowa.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
The positive results for New York sports fans continued Friday night,
because the Yankees hit four home ones at eight and
when at San Diego, they've won ten of twelve. Finally,
fellas in the WNBA. On Friday night, the Indiana Fever
got their first win of the season, seventy eight seventy
three on the road over the Los Angeles Sparks. Caitlin
Clark two big three pointers down the stretch. She would
finish with eleven points, ten rebounds, and eight assists in

(01:11:16):
front of a crowd of nineteen thousand, one hundred and three. Fellas,
all yours, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Also, it is Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
we wanted to circle back real fast to the Dak
Prescott conversation. He's looking for a huge contract extension, and
I just think this. We all know this first truth,
not having a quarterback, your team is screwed. You're not
a legitimate super Bowl contender year in and year out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
We all know that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Also, overpaying a good quarterback great money, you're still screwed
like that. That's the reality, and we don't look at
it the same way. But it's absolutely true. When you're
overpaying a good quarterback and you have to skimp elsewhere,
that good quarterback isn't great enough to compensate for that,

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and you're not gonna go anywhere. You're not gonna win
a championship. That's how it goes. And so I think
that's what's really interesting in the NFL. These teams get
comfortable and they say, well, we've got a serviceable guy. Yeah,
we're gonna be overpaying him, but man, what's the alternative?
And what are we gonna do if we don't have
a quarterback that's nearly as good as this guy. I

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look at two teams, the Chiefs, who were good at
quarterback with Alex Smith, and they said, let's try to
be great and let's get Mahomes I don't know why
more teams don't do that. I know there aren't mahomes
growing on trees, but the point is you could be
better at quarterback and cheaper at quarterback on the rookie
deal than overpaying your good quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I don't know why more.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Teams don't try to duplicate that, or a team like
the Broncos where they say, hey, what's Planned B. We
don't know, we'll figure it out. Plan A is not
Russell Wilson. We'll eat eighty five million dollars and figure
it out as we go. But these teams like the Cowboys,
the Dolphins, they look and they say, if it's not dak,

(01:13:11):
if it's not to A, then who is it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
What's Plan B? And I get that, But I look.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
At a team like the Broncos who say, well, we
know what our Plan A isn't, so let's not waste
time going down that road. Let's shift it over here.
And I don't know why more teams don't look at
it that way.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I I get what you're saying,
but boll but a lot of teams do and and
a lot of teams.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
They get to that point.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
And trust me, the Cowboys will get to that point
with Dak where they say, all right, we've done this
too many times and we've had similar results. And that
is the definition of insanity when you try something over
and over and over again and you're expecting different results,
but you keep receiving the same results.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
And so maybe they do break them off.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
But Brian, I promise you they're gonna get to a
point as an organization where they say, and we've done it,
and we've done it, and we've done it and it
hasn't yielded us what we were looking for. And so
for that reason, we're starting over. And now we're going
to go back to that real estate market. We were
just talking about that zip code. You're still buying in
the same zip code. But now maybe you buy a fixer,

(01:14:20):
like a complete fixer, like you go into the draft
and you spend very little. Now you're on that block,
but you're buying you're buying a new build.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
You know what I mean. All you got are the studs.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
You know, we got to put in the electrical, the plumbing,
We got to get a good drywall guy. We need
to get somebody to do the finishing work. Like we're
on the right block. But we need to do a
lot of work with this draft pick. Or maybe you
do what Atlanta did did where you say, okay, that
house down the road, it's always had a nice lawn,
but they haven't really renovated or done much on the inside.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
They haven't filled it with the right furniture. So maybe
all we need to do is fill with the right furniture.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
So Kirk Cousins goes to and he's playing with Drake London,
and he's playing with you know, with the kid out
of Texas, the running back, Bijon Robinson, and he's playing
with some talented receivers.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Let's see if we could make that happen there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
I'm telling you, Dak Prescott is on the precipice of
making potentially the most money he's ever made in his
NFL career, but it also could be the death knell
of his starting NFL career if he doesn't make good
on this transaction, because the Dallas Cowboys will be signing
up for one big paycheck to get a championship, whether
that's on the conference side or the Super Bowl, and

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if they don't, they will move off of Dak.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Well, hey, man, interesting stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
It might have a layer if we circle back next hour.
I have a little layer, little layer, but we are
all about clock integrity over here. We got rich ron Berger,
Penn State, All American. We've got Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst.
I'm Brian now coming up next some more of that
betting content that you crave.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Huh. Prop it up?

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
So many prop bet opportunities, we don't even know where
to begin. We'll just pick a spot and go from there.
It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.
It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.
We got some prop bets to make.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Let's do it. Prop it up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Player plays.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Okay, we'll start with you, Jared. What's on the menu
for you on this fine Saturday.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
Let's talk about Jason Tatum because we've discussed Boston and
you know, oh, we don't like them or this and that,
and I think the reason why they're not as well
liked as some other championship.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Team they don't have that killer instinct.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
And I'm very interested to see how Jason Tatum plays
tonight because they've got this series by the throat and
Boston has kind of let their foot off the gas.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
In recent history in these situations.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
But we're gonna go under on Jason Tatum's PR points
plus rebounds plus it says it's a lopper of a
number forty five and a half. He stayed under this
in nine out of twelve postseason games. That's a fantastic
hit rate over seventy five percent basically. And I look
at the rebounding chances in this series, they're going down.

(01:17:10):
The potential assists in this series are going down.

Speaker 10 (01:17:13):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
The volume of shooting is up, but it seems like
Jason isn't doing as many little things in this series
as he did in prior series, and I think that's making.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
This PR number a little bit bloated for my likings.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
So we'll go under forty five and a half points,
rebounds and assists for Jason Tatum. I do think Boston
maybe a little cruise control tonight with Haliburton Bengo.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
I'm gonna go with two pacers who are pacing in
different directions. Pascal Siakam has had a nice series so far,
and when I look at his production points wise and
the line they're giving four points twenty three and a half,
I'm taking the over here. He's passed that line three
of the past four games that he's appeared in, and

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so that feels like a hit. Aaron nessmuth, he's been
ice cold from three point uh. He's got a line
at one and a half three points made for the
game against Boston. I'm taking the under. He's he's had
one game where he's had two three pointers over the
past five so this feels like a hit as well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
So two pacers, different directions.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
Twenty three and a half points taking over on siakam
taking the under one and a half three pointers made
on netsmuth.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Okay, I'm going progression to the mean here because Sam
Hauser of the Celtics is a really good shooter. He
has not done anything in this series. He's over the
series from three point territory. So we're getting plus money.
Get me over one and a half three pointers made

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for Sam Hauser. It's at plus one on bet MGM.
And I'm also gonna take his point total here it's
only four and a half Sam Howser. Again, this dude
is a cold blooded shooter and he couldn't buy one
in Boston, so on the road, I think he's gonna
get enough opportunities, and I just don't see the cold

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streak continuing. So I've got Howser making a pair of
three pointers, and I've got his point total over four.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
And a half tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
Yeah, this is a I'll be honest, this is a
tough game to bet props with because you have two
things coming into play. Won the blowout anytime the Celtics
play a game. The blowout is anytime any NBA games played. Frankly,
there's always a blowout. But this is a This is
a high number, right, it's over a set. You don't
see road favorites of more than seven points in the
NBA playoffs the Eastern Conference Finals, for crying out loud, like,
this is a really high number for a road team

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in a postseason game, a late series. And then you
got the Halliburton thing, like, how do you play Tyres Haliburn?
And I think the conventional wisdom says under under under,
you know, sixteen and a half points. They bumped that
number down. Rebounds, they bumped it down. But my contrarian instinct,
I remember he was banged up in the Knicks series.
He came out and you know, made every shot basically,

(01:20:04):
so maybe he plays and maybe we're getting a discount
on Tyre's Halliburton tonight, but we just don't know what
his hamstring situation is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
So this is a very tricky game from a proper perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Hey, really quick as the NBA season's coming to an end,
w NBA season's getting shot. Yes, I did this at
the start of the NBA season. I had success, and
I've been doing it with the WNBA. I'm having success.
Take the unders on second half point totals. Interesting, So
with a lot of players, track them, look at them,
see how they performed in the second half. A lot

(01:20:36):
of the early season athletes, they tire out in the
second half. Their arms, their their legs, and they're un
They're hitting under their point totals in the second half.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Slip Brick with the sharp move there, I've never loved
you so much. Oh goodness, I come it up. Neck
Day is dead dog. The NCAA don't roll like that
no more.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
You know, I'm a huge fan of the movie Training
Day with Denzel Washington. Fantastic movie. That's my most rewatchable
movie ever.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
I've seen. Training Day.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I don't even know at least seventy times. I don't
know how many times been a lot, but I mentioned
there's a line from that movie where Denzel says that
day's dead dog.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
We don't roll like that no more.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
The NC double A.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Doesn't roll like that anymore because amateurism, guys, it officially
died on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
It is dead.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
So the NC double A and its power conferences, they
agreed on a settlement that paves the way for schools
to pay athletes directly. What's happening here, there's this case
the house versus NC double A, and so the settlement
it includes two point seventy five billion dollars from the

(01:21:55):
NC double A. They're going to pay former student athletes
from twenty sixteen onward who lost out on those nil opportunities.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Nil is just a recent thing name, image and likeness
where players can earn a buck that way, and the
NC DOUBLEA it's like, oh, shoot, we owe these past
players we blocked from making money billions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
So that's the settlement. And this is the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
It gets into all sorts of like mumbo jumbo and
maybe legal LEAs. Let's just keep it simple to me. Amateurism,
it's just a fancy word that really meant the NC
Double A and the universities they got all the money
while the players didn't. Right, that's what amateurism means. It
sounds like, oh, amateurism. It's like no, no, no, it's

(01:22:48):
just the schools and the NC DOUBLEA they get all
the loot. The players who are the product, they get
none of it. And if you think that makes sense,
I would absolutely disagree with you. And so this is
just another step toward players getting a share of what
they deserve, which I've always been an advocate for. And

(01:23:09):
I'll be brutally honest with you, I don't know the
best system to come up with in terms of splitting
TV revenue, but there has to be a way to
do it. If we're looking for if this is a
piece of pie, like this is a whole pie over here,
the players deserve a healthy portion of it, and they

(01:23:30):
don't get what they've deserved for far too long. And
that's just a gradual process of them getting a bigger
piece of what they deserve.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
You nailed it, man.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
Look in this country, in most of the world, if
something isn't profitable, then it's moved on from you know,
I mean, don't get me wrong. There are public services,
and there are things that we do as a world
society and certainly in this country that isn't more motivated
by profit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
That's motivated by.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Humanity and the things that you feel like you need
to do to be an active member of society. But
the majority of things that people do, the majority of
motivation is profit. Is whether it's individually to you know,
uphold a household financially, or if we're talking about corporations
that make billions of dollars in revenue and profit in

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the case of the NCAA, for decades and decades, they
have profited off of the back of labor that they
were not paying for. That is the truth, and it's
a hard truth, and it's a really difficult set of shades.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
To open up.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
Because the light is blinding, like it really truly, as
the light as daylight is entering this dark corner of society.
People are realizing how hard it is to face because
I'll tell you right now, you could say what you
want about professionalism in and how there's a lot of
entitlement around the NBA, but you know what's really said

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when an athlete he tries his hardest in college football,
and he has some success, right, but he took one
too many hits to the head, and now he has
damages that he's going to face for the rest of
the life. Rest of his life medically, maybe he has
CTE and he's dealing with that, and he has depression

(01:25:25):
as a result of that, and he can't get the
help he needs because as an amateur athlete, you're not
protected by any laws that say that the college you
played at or the NCAA is responsible.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
For your healthcare right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
You're not a part of a union that collectively bargained
some healthcare for you post career.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
So there are.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Tons of student athletes, which is the lie that we've
been told for all these years. Student athletes free labor
is the way we should refer to it. Who limped
away from the sport that they played that generated billions
with a b of dollars for their university over the
time that they and their teammates played for these schools,

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and they.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Don't have anything to show for it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
And as a matter of fact, they're having a hard
time playing with their kids in the backyard because they
got busted up kneecaps, you know, they're having a hard
time maybe thinking all the way through and being an
active member of society because their brains are scrambled from
taking too many hits on you know, busting the wedge
on Kickoff twenty years ago. Like like, this is a

(01:26:33):
real thing that's happening in society, and it's been overlooked
for way too long.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
Yeah, I can't offer the players perspective, but I have
worked at two Division one inside the athletic programs, and
I saw kind of the inner workings, and I can
tell you one thing there needs to be a bit.
This is not fair, but this is the way that
it is, the revenue generating sports and the non revenue
generating sports. Like I think we move football and basketball
and even women's basketball these days into separate bucket, and

(01:27:01):
those sports, for better or for worse, should be treated
differently than the other sports.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
And I'm not saying the other athletes don't.

Speaker 5 (01:27:09):
I mean I traveled with the women's soccer team at
LaSalle University.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
I traveled with the baseball team at Florida Atlantic.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
Incredibly successful program, won a ton of conference championships, been
to the tournament, but they couldn't build a you know,
million dollar extension to their crappy field because nobody it's
not a revenue generating sport, and the football team got
a brand new stadium on campus while in the time
that I worked there. It's just it's a completely different
bag of worms. And you know Pandora's box that we're

(01:27:38):
opening now with the revenue generating sports, the gap between
how much money football brings in and how much money
every other sport combined brings in, that gap continues to
get wider, and we're gonna have to kind of put
foot college football into its own separate bucket. I think
that really gets governed different lea than every other collegiate sport.

(01:28:02):
And maybe that's how we figure it out as we
just take football for what it is, which is basically
semi professional at this point at the college football level,
and I think everything else maybe can be lumped into
somewhere different. But men's basketball, football, even women's basketball now
after the Caitlyn Clark extravaganza, those are revenue generating sports.
The other ones aren't. They're revenue negatives. They're net negatives

(01:28:25):
for the athletic programs, and they're going to be treated
that way. And I think that's unfortunately this discussion is
bringing that gap to the forefront and monetizing every sport
for what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
No, I totally agree, and.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
I just think that of this in terms of economics, right,
Like it's just the money that's brought in and then
you split that up. So if you have a a
sport that is generating a lot of money, I think
you deserve a cut of that. If you play a
sport that's not as popular and you're not generating the money,
well then you don't deserve a cut of it. You

(01:29:01):
deserve whatever the cut is of what you're bringing in.
That's what I believe. Some will disagree with that, but
I look at it in terms of a concert. Right
if there is a really popular band, let's just say,
and they played this show and it generates all of
this money, it shouldn't just be the promoter and the

(01:29:22):
venue that gets the money. It should be the band
as well. They should get their cut. That's why all
these people came in and paid all their money. They
deserve their cut of it. So whether you're talking about
college football or the equestrian team or the bowling team
or whatever, like, whatever you generate, I think you deserve
a cut of that. Yeah, so I think that's the

(01:29:45):
way it's it should work. It's been far too long
for it to come to that, But I just think
it's it's crazy when you look back on it, I
think you just get used to things instead of thinking
them through. Where it's just been We've been so used
to this amateurism quote unquote, like day and age in

(01:30:08):
college sports, where if you stop and think about that,
do you think it makes sense? Like again, Taylor Swift,
she goes on tour, she has a concert. It generates
so much money. And we lived with the NCAA in
an era where it'd be like Taylor Swift. She doesn't
get any money, but she could, you know, sell some
t shirts and make a buck that way, a name

(01:30:30):
imagen like this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
It's like how a meal at the concert? You get
a free meal at the concert? How does that make
Eddie sense? Whatsoever?

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Wasn't or think if it changed in the NFL where
they said, hey, it's super popular, the ratings are off
the charts.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
It's generating billions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
The players just aren't gonna get paid, but they can
make a buck off name, image and likeness we'd be like,
that's the dumbest thing ever. But we just got used
to it in college sports, and a lot of people
just never thought it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Through, right right, I mean, you've got it nailed.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
Here's the reality of this situation college athletes. If they
and I'm talking about in the profitable sports, mainly college
basketball on the men's side, college football, say all the
money that was generated from these television broadcast contracts and
from the name, image and likeness, imagine all the money

(01:31:25):
went only to the players, like the one hundred or
so on each Division one roster, you know, the whatever
it is, the twelve or fifteen on all of the
three hundred Division one rosters in college basketball on the
men's side, say all of the money was put in
the players' pockets. People would be outraged. They would be like,

(01:31:46):
the liberal arts college is falling apart, Like literally, pieces
of the ceiling are landing on the laps of the
students trying to learn at these universities where these football
players and basketball players are making hundreds of mill if
not billions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
It's hand over fist. They're making all this money.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
They're solely profiting off of this great place that they've
been given to play these games.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Why aren't these universities getting any of this money?

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
That should be the argument for the players, because if
you're not paying attention, the players haven't been paid a
single dime. They haven't gotten a single cut outside of
grant money from the federal government. If your parents don't
make enough loot and you're going to a school on
scholarship and you can't afford to buy yourself toilet paper
or pay.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Your rent, like that's the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
And that's how it's been for decades and decades, And
like you said, Brian, I think people just got used
to it and they went, well, that's what amateurism looks like.
It's for the experience, it's for the education, and it's like, yeah,
but when there's billions of dollars being made off of
the free labor of these quote unquote students while they're

(01:32:59):
participating in the athletic programs, you don't think it's even
slightly unfair that they don't see a dime. I'm glad
that this paradigm is shifting because it is stomach turning
that people in this country, who the majority of football fans,
thrive in their own personal professional lives. Can't see how

(01:33:19):
inequitable this situation and the circumstance was for the players.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
Let's call it what it is. It's propaganda. It's NCUBLEA propaganda.
That's what amateurism always was. It was a way for
the NCUBLEA to make it seem appealing that they're getting
the better end of the deal.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
I have been and we've talked about it on this show.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
We've talked about how to fix college footba blah blah
blah with the NCUBLEA, and I talked about how conferences
are irrelevant and the nc DOUBLEA is irrelevant. The only
thing that matters are the teams and the coaches. Those
are the things that are the most important thing. Those
are the players and the coaches and the programs. The
conferences are ways to control that. The nc DOUBLEA is
an entity put in place to control to govern it.

(01:34:01):
But the governing body turned into the financial body, and
that's where you have the problem separation of church and state.
The people governing the sport should not also be reaping
the benefits the most.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
It should be right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
That's why the government officials don't make a whole lot
of money now they make money in other ways, and
I'm not going to get into that, but their salary
is relatively low considering what an average American salary is
considering the power.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
That they have.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
But I think that was the biggest issue for me
was the NCAA was putting a wrapper around what amateurism
really was. And once the money became too much, like
the money started overflowing over the sides of their coffers,
they couldn't hide it anymore. It was so much money

(01:34:49):
from the TV deals and the college football playoffs and
all of this stuff. It just they just couldn't control
it anymore. And eventually it became uncontrollable. And now you're
seeing all the little lawsuits and Dartmouth doing their thing
with you know, the unionizing, and now it's turned into
basically pay for play, and I think that's what it
should be. Says a salary cap. That is to me,

(01:35:09):
the only way to control this now is to have
every team under a salary cap. Every player can get this,
and it's the programs. It's the general managers of each
respective program, whoever that person is deciding how much each
player gets paid. The NCABLEA is completely meaningless. Any I
think the only reason the NCAA will exist in thirty
years is for like the Division two and Division threes. Like,

(01:35:29):
it's just it's a toothless organization now because they can't
control the money. It's funny, man, when you were saying that, Jared,
have you seen the movie American made with Tom Cruise.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
No, but it sounds good. It's pretty good. You probably
like it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
But there's a scene where he's just got money every year,
like he's burying it basically in the backyard. And to
do that's what the NCAA had. It's a funny visual
right there. All right, We've got rich oron Berger Penn
State All American, Jared Smith FSR BET analyst on Brian No.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Coming up next.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Is slimming down a smart move for this guy. It's
Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio. It
is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.
So we've got Lamar Jackson Baltimore, Baltimore Ravens quarterback here.
He has lost a significant amount of weight.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
I love this. Lamar said he's down.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Well, a source said he's down at least ten pounds
from the end of last season. But you look at
the pictures and it's it's considerable. It's a big difference.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
I love this, Lamar said during the week at OTA's
he said, I don't really know how many pounds I lost.
I'm like two hundred and something right now, which I
absolutely love. Was like, was he a hundred something or
three hundred something before? Because that tells us absolutely nothing

(01:36:57):
that he's down to two hundred something right now. But
he says, I'll say it was important enough to be
able to move around a little bit extra, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Now here's the thing. Is this a smart move? I say, no.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Have you ever watched Lamar Jackson and said, man, he's
got to move around a little bit more.

Speaker 10 (01:37:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
The question with Lamar has been durability, and I think
the extra bulk helped him in terms of durability, But
slimming down to be able to move around a little
bit more, that's never been the weakness or the drawback
in Lamar's game.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
You know, I've I've changed my mind on adding weight
to prevent injury.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
I really have. I show for years and Brian, I'm
not like, you know, this is just my own opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Yeah, So for years I subscribed to that newsletter, Like,
all right, if you want to be a little bit
more sturdy against some of the contact in the NFL,
you ought to add some weight. But adding weight for
the sake of adding it, like even if it's some
healthy muscular weight that comes obviously with the cost of
gaining some fat as well. That's all well and good

(01:38:14):
as long as your tendons and your ligaments can handle it.
And also is also like from a standpoint of like
your ability to.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Operate in space. Like so we think about an athlete,
and we think about.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
How strong he is, how fast he runs, how high
he jumps, how far he throws the football, and how
well he can take a hit, But we don't often
talk about like appropriateception, like his awareness in space, Like
how like how a boxer if they were standing in
the room with us right now, like Floyd Mayweather, like
he could throw a punch and have it miss our

(01:38:51):
nose by a fraction of an inch because he understands
his arm length so incredibly well that when he throws
a punch, he knows exactly where it's going to be,
where his fist is in space at all times.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Now, when you start messing with your weight gaining weight
losing weight.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
When you start adding weight, maybe for the thought process like, well,
I'm going to be more injury prone if I'm lighter. Well,
maybe you're more injury prone if you're heavier, because by
adding fifteen pounds in an offseason, you've thrown off your appropriateception,
so you don't have a good awareness of your body
in space. And when you try to come to that stop,

(01:39:29):
you know where you used to be able to cut
on a dime.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Maybe it takes an extra step, Maybe it takes a little.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
Bit more strength to slow down your quadriteps and then
that energy transfers to your acl when you're trying to
turn out of a break and then boom, you snap
a ligament and your season's over. So I've switched my
mind about this, Like I've I'm starting to believe more
should you should be in the most comfortable space you

(01:39:57):
can be as an athlete to have the highest level
of ability.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
And injury prevention on the field. Yeah, kind of like
your body, your choice kind of feel yeah a little bit. Yeah,
like that makes sense to me.

Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
I've never again, I've never been a professional athlete. I've
never conditioned my body in that way.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
But I can say this.

Speaker 5 (01:40:18):
In the last year, I've lost almost fifty pounds, so
I have a good sense of how different my body
feels minus the weight. And I'll tell you what everything
is better, like how I feel walking up the stairs,
how I feel doing anything is better, and that I
was a little bit overweight, whereas Lamar wasn't. But I

(01:40:40):
do think being healthy and fit is a state of
mind as much as it is a body type. And
if he is obviously weaker in certain areas, it could
come into like, it could come into play in a
negative way. But I do think if and to it.
By the way, speaking of this, Brian too has lost
a bunch of weight too. Yeah, and we're gonna find out,

(01:41:01):
because let's be honest, both of those guys, if you
were gonna ask me, you're right, like you know, both
of those.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Guys probably the injuries. You know, you want to be
a little bulkier.

Speaker 5 (01:41:09):
But I don't know enough about the way these guys
train or the way that really the modern fitness regime
has kind of evolved to really speak from an educational
perspective on whether or not they are more injury prone
minus the weight. I honestly don't know. I do think
it's more of a state of mind and more of
a do you feel fit? Do you feel healthy? If

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you do, and this is what the doctors say, and
you know, you're around a lot of nutritionists and fitness
people all the time, and they're saying this is positive
for you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
I can't like who am I to say that it's
not well.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
I think that if we're being fair about this, I
think that staying healthy for Lamar and for Tua, it's
less about weight and it's more.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
So about decision making.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Agreed, right, That's the first part of it with Lamar.
Lamar has taken we all know, way too many chances
running the football. I love the ability that he has,
but at some point it's like, hey man, you've scrambled
for twenty five yards. Don't try to bowl over the
strong safety. You know, slide, get out of bounds, that

(01:42:15):
sort of thing. With Tua, it was just getting rid
of the freaking ball. He would hold onto the ball
way too long. That famous hit against the Bills where
he got knocked backward and was stumbling around and they
said it was a back injury.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
He's just holding onto the ball way too long.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
It happened time and time again two years ago when
he suffered all those concussions, all those injuries. So I
think it's more so about decision making than it is weight.
But it's just strange to me. Where Lamar played sixteen
games last season, right Tua played seventeen, and they were
both bulked up, and now on the heels of that,
they're like, now we're slimming down. It's like you just

(01:42:54):
had success bulking up, So I question the decision to
slim down like that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
Yeah, it's it's interesting. I'm very curious to see what
happens as a result. And look, luck plays a factor,
and like you said, decision making plays a factor. To
have the unfortunate reality of holding onto the ball a
little too long on that play. By the way, he
held onto the ball too long on a lot of plays,
so he got unlucky. He ended up with a concussion.

(01:43:21):
And same with some of the injuries from Lamar Jackson.
It's like you can't control it. Maybe you're already in
the embrace of a tackler and then all of a sudden,
somebody jumps on the back of your legs. You know,
whether you're you know, fifteen pounds heavy or fifteen pounds lighter.
It's not going to matter in those circumstances. So everything
is circumstantial. But I remember leaving college there was this

(01:43:43):
big push to gain weight because I was a slightly
undersized interior offensive lineman. My playing weight was like between
two ninety and two ninety five as a as a
starting left guard at Penn State. And I remember my
agent and many of the scouts from the NFL who
visited me during my pro day or on visits to

(01:44:06):
different facilities during the pre draft process, said hey, it
would be good if you put on a couple pounds,
and so I did you know, I was up to
three h five I think by the time I was drafted,
which is about ten or fifteen pounds heavier than I
really liked the play at. Now, I don't know if
it necessarily had any impact on me, you know, when

(01:44:29):
I got to the NFL and I started playing. But
I can tell you this, within the first couple of
days of being at training camp practice with the Patriots,
my weight dropped right back down to two ninety It's
almost like my body was like, no, dude, like you're
not three hundred five pounds. You're just not like we're
going to play at the weight that you've had success

(01:44:50):
at and we're just gonna keep rock and rolling right here.
And by the way it was, it was good, Like,
you know, I felt like I could move better. I
didn't feel like I was plotting around. You know. Offensive
line obviously very different than quarterback. The athleticism of Lamar
Jackson very different from an interior offensive guard or offensive
lineman in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
But you get my point, Like an.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
Athlete knows his body or her body, and sometimes weight
is just the number.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
We get too hung up on is he healthy?

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
Like that's the most important thing everybody should be concentrating on.
And a lot of times, even with coaches, even with trainers,
their concentration is on, well what do you weigh?

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
And it really it's kind of arbitrary when you think
about it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
I think that's why the Guerrero stuff with Brady was
so interesting, because I mean that was such a big
reason that he was able to stay health so productive,
you know, at the back of his career, was because
about how fit he was. And I think modern fitness,
it's always fascinating to see the modern athletes and how
fit they are, and then compare it to what we.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Saw back in the day.

Speaker 5 (01:45:57):
Yeah, these guys are like got a hogy hanging out
of their mouth, and you know, like it's just it's
a it's a complete Like the fitness element of today's
sports is so different, which.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
By the way, I kind of wish I played back.

Speaker 5 (01:46:13):
You remember the wrong time, You're your seventies throwback, like
you want the the mutton chops and the beer belly
hanging out over your football, smoking in the locker room
in the Replacements and that guy's smoking on.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
The field like in the movie The Replacements. Like, yeah,
like that was my pregame meal was a burrito in
a pack of Winston's. It's interesting to hear some of.

Speaker 5 (01:46:36):
These guys their fitness forchi, Like, remember that was a
big thing for I think it was I think it
might have been Orlando Hernandez, the of the Yankees, Yeah,
when he came over for Oh no, it was Levon
Hernandez of the mart I remember watching the Hernandez Brothers
thirty for thirty. I remember one of them really struggled
with his diet when he first came over from Cuba,
because you come from Cuba and it's like you're eating
rats on the street, and then you come to Miami

(01:46:57):
and it's like McDonald's and fast food and now all
this money, and.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
That's a thing. Now.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
Obviously we're talking about a player that's Lamar Jackson. It's
been in the league, been in America for a long time.
He doesn't have those the same indulgences. But it's just
it's interesting to see how the fitness element of sports
has changed so much. These guys are literally machines with
their body, and not all of them treat their bodies
like temples. I think later on in certain players' careers

(01:47:22):
they up their fitness regime to keep their bodies sustaining
that element.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
But man, it's I here's here's what I'll close it with.

Speaker 5 (01:47:31):
I applaud whether or not it works out or not
for them, and maybe they're more prone to injuries. I
applaud guys like Lamar Jackson and Tua. Obviously this was
a plan. It wasn't like he just lost weight, Like
there was.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
A plan to do this.

Speaker 5 (01:47:43):
I respect the commitment in the off season to keeping
their bodies in what they view to be the highest
peak shape.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
Well, you speak about the highest peak shape for an NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
But here we go. I mean, what about update anchors.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
I know the guy at the top of the freaking list,
he goes by the name of Isaac lo Oh and Kron.
Don't even try to take him on in the decathlon.
You will lose every single freaking time.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
He's here with the latest.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Indeed, Brian and along those lines, the latest is we
had history just made moments ago. As for the first
time in the history of the medium of sports talk radio,
the word pro preception was spoken by Fox Sports Radios
Rich Ornberger and also sets a record for the most

(01:48:35):
syllabic word utilized sports talk radio history at five the
previous record when a host in Dallas said, Dak Prescott
sucks really quickly. We have sports. Unfortunately, I'm not making
any of that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
Up, is it Jerry Jones? Oh good?

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
Actually, we have a library. We have a live reaction
from Yeah, there is Jerry Jones not amused. We do
have live sports going on right now. The FA Cup
Final at Wembley. Manchester United remains up two to nothing
over Manchester City. They're now in the seventy eighth minute
in Game two of the NBA's Western Conference Finals on
Friday night, the Dallas Mavericks trail the Minnesota Timberwolves by

(01:49:22):
two in the dying seconds. Here was Kevin Harlan on
tnt JE.

Speaker 12 (01:49:26):
Rose Tonchis gons st Dallas is twok of the lead.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
And the game one oh nine to one O eight.
They lead the series two games tonight. In Game two
of the NHL's Eastern Conference Finals on Friday night, the
New York Rangers and Florida Panthers tied at one in overtime.
Here's Don Lagreca on w EPN.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Trouper flips it.

Speaker 9 (01:49:52):
Out the center, knocked down by gadro Fintrocheck. I got
the partly goron, partly good time as the riker's quitting
over time.

Speaker 6 (01:50:09):
To the on.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
On a related note, the goal allowed us to discover
the surprising comedic stylings of Florida Panthers head coach Paul
mo Reice. Listen to him here during the postgame news
conference as he discusses Madison Square Gardens confusing hallway set up.

Speaker 8 (01:50:27):
Paul, did you when you looked at the goal?

Speaker 11 (01:50:30):
I mean he was just a good shot.

Speaker 13 (01:50:32):
You don't want I haven't seen it yet because I
don't know if you've been to the maze down here,
but our video guy is three zip quodes away from
our locker room because somebody needed.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Popcorn in the spurts of room over here, so we.

Speaker 13 (01:50:44):
Got Yeah, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen my
video guy. I'm not sure he still works for us,
so I truly have not seen the goal because we
have to send out telegram.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Paul Maurice two shows nightly at the Highla Hilton back
for more preception talk. That's all yours, thank you.

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Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
I want to circle back real fast.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
We were talking about Dak Prescott and he's looking for
a big payday while saying he's never cared about money,
but it got me thinking about paying a good quarterback
great money. Where I don't think that's a great way
to go about it. And if you think about the

(01:51:46):
Dolphins paying to the Cowboys paying Dak, one of the
arguments against that happening is look at what a young
quarterback would have to work with. You know, like we
spend all this time talking about Purdy and all the
talent he has around him, that system with Kyle Shanahan.

(01:52:07):
Look at the Dolphins. You've got Tyreek Hill, You've got
Jalen Waddle, You've got a collection of fast running backs.
You know, you've got Mike McDaniel's system. I think the
question becomes is our quarterback good or is he special?
And if you look at Dak and you look at

(01:52:27):
Tua and you say they're good, and you're like, are
we gonna pay them special money? That's where it becomes
real tricky. And so I think the argument of if
you're looking to replace them and go cheap with the rookie, yeah,
I know that's a really sketchy feeling, and you're gritting
your teeth is this is what we're gonna do. But
I think that's one of the main arguments to make

(01:52:49):
is they're not going to a system where there's no
talent around him. There's not a great play caller like
you would have legitimate fits for young quarterback to be
serviceable at best, as I think that would be the
flip side of I'll put it this way. I have
a Nissan Ultima. It's a nice car. I'm not gonna

(01:53:11):
pay one hundred thousand dollars for it because it's a
bad investment.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
It's a good car, it's not special, right, It's not
an elite sports car.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
So if you're paying one hundred k for it, it's
not a good investment.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
And the same concept can hold true with quarterbacks. I
completely understand your argument.

Speaker 4 (01:53:31):
But what you're talking about is a risk assessment, right,
So what's the risk of doing what you're talking about.
The risk is if it goes bust, Well, you may
put yourself in a situation where you may not be
overpaying a quarterback, but you're also trending downward for years

(01:53:53):
and years to follow that one decision, which is to
move on from Dak, to make a youth movement at
his position, and to basically hit the reset button with
all the things you said, having some talent, some speed
around the offense, having some stable coaching, all those things.
Sometimes it doesn't matter because the guy you bring in
who you think is special doesn't turn out to be

(01:54:14):
special either. You know, in fact, you find out he's
not even as good as Dak. So that's the risk.
So you put that into the equation. It changes the conversation.
And that's the reason why the Dallas Cowboys and a
lot of franchises are slow to pull the trigger on
making that decision because it's an enormous risk evaluation. Yeah,
it seems easy for us sitting here, you know, in

(01:54:36):
a studio or at home broadcasting and saying, geez, you know, Dallas,
isn't it getting stale with Dak? You know, going to
the playoffs after twelve win seasons and losing in the
opening round or losing in the divisional round, Like, isn't
that Isn't that annoying for fans and for the franchise.
It's like, well, yes, of course it is. But you know,

(01:54:56):
it would be worse having four years of trying to
recover from betting the farm on a young talent who
might be special but it turns out he wasn't, and
then you know, suffering the consequences of all that.

Speaker 5 (01:55:13):
Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. The
quarterback position like a lot of it too. It's it's
not about paying the player, it's about the market. Like
the market for quarterbacks right now. We saw this in
the NBA, like average players off the bench getting twenty
million dollars because it's just what the market is calling
for today and we have to raise our baseline for

(01:55:38):
the average quarterback for us.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
It sounds like an astronomical amount of money.

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
Daniel Jones getting forty million dollars a year, but that's
kind of the going rate, Like he's eleventh on the
list of quarterback salaries, Like that's kind of average. Like
it's just unfortunately, we have to kind of readjust our
way of thinking to make it relative to what the
market is telling us right now for these players.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
All right, we've got Jared Smith. That was the voice
you just heard.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
FSR betting analyst Rich Ornberger Penn State, All American felt
to ninety.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
Yeah, what are you down to now? Rich? I'm in
the two seventies. I haven't been on a scale a
little bit, but you're looking good. Rich, Thank you. By
safe to you you were talking about the way loss
dude you are, I mean, I have a six pack
right now. I'm not trying.

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
I'm Brian though. All right, coming up next, rapid Fire.
We got some picks to make. We'll compare notes right
around the corner. It's Fox Sports Saturday. Here on Fox
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(01:56:48):
updates and crushing life. Top of the hour up on game,
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you covered. Keep it locked right here on FSR. All right,
we got some picks to make.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
Let's do it. Rapid Fire. All right, Jared, we'll start
with you.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
What do you like.

Speaker 5 (01:57:09):
Let's start with a couple of nerfees, And unlike the
ones I gave you earlier, these are full games, the
actual game themselves, just no run in the first inning.
Let's start with the Blue Jays and the Tigers. This
is like an epic nerfy streak. Detroit fifteen straight games
without scoring a run in the first inning. They haven't
scored in the early going since May seventh. Toronto, Well
do you one better. Sixteen straight games. They haven't scored

(01:57:31):
a run in the first inning since May fourth. Not
a bad pitching matchup today, Jose Burrios on one side.
Resulson's actually been really good for Detroit. On the other side,
Finally Royal's raised the other Nerfey I really like today.
A little later this afternoon in Tampa, Brady Singer's been
great for Kansas City. Kansas City is an upstart team
this year, look out for them. But Brady Singer's nine
to one to the Nerfy love his stuff in the

(01:57:51):
first inning. And Aaron Sabali. The overall numbers haven't been good,
but the first inning numbers, especially at home five and
OHO the Nerfey forty percent strikeout rate in the open frame.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Love those two.

Speaker 5 (01:58:01):
Nerfe's finally a little puck luck tonight maybe for the
Dallas Stars. I love the trend game two. After the
home team loses Game one, they're favored again in Game two,
the line moving in their direction. I think Dallas even
the series tonight against the Oilers. They win, it will
take them on the money line. So Blue Jays, Tiger's
Nerfy Royals, Ray's Nerfy.

Speaker 3 (01:58:20):
Stars on the money line on the ice.

Speaker 4 (01:58:23):
All right, I'm gonna go to baseball with all of
mine picks here. I'm gonna give you a little same
game parlay action. Yanks visiting San Diego. I got New
York plus one and a half on the run line.
New York is going to dominate this series. If you've
been paying attention to the Padres at all this year,
it's positive and negative.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
It's it's checkling high.

Speaker 4 (01:58:45):
So they have two winning series in a road on
the road, and they come home to face the Yankees.
They're gonna get beat up here. And Dylan ceases on
the mound for the Padres. So I'm gonna take the URFI.
I'm gonna take the yes run first inning. And it's
mainly gonna be the hot batch of the Yankees carry
over from last night into tonight. So plus one and

(01:59:06):
a half on the run line for the Yanks and
a yes run first inning for the game. Also, Los
Angeles Dodgers on the road at Cincinnati. I watched the
red series against the Padres. I think the I think
the Dodgers bats are going to have a pretty easy
time with this pitcher matchup. They got Bueller on the mound,
I'm taking the Dodgers minus one and.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
A half on the run line.

Speaker 3 (01:59:29):
Okay, all right, So I am feeling the Kansas City
Royals today. I got them just winning out right minus
one ten. You lighted this Jared with Brady Singer on
the mound. They've been playing very well and they've been
scoring a lot of runs. I'm gonna take their individual
team total over three and a half runs, two separate picks. Wow,

(01:59:51):
double royal. Yes, we're doubling down on the Royals. I'm
doubling down on Sam Hawser. I'm doubling down on the
Kansas City Royals. And I'm also gonna go with Minnesota Timberwolves.
Get me a plus three and a half. They're on
the road tomorrow night. It's a must win game. Luca's special,
but he's not close to one hundred percent and then

(02:00:12):
he's talking Smack after a dagger three. You can't e
fan guard me. I think this is the Timberwolves, who
frankly have lost two coin toss games last two games.
This is their season on the line, and after losing
in the final seconds and Smack being talked, I think
they are more than locked in.

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
I will happily take the three and a half with.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
I Like Wolves, Tomorrow Night, Contrarie and no here it is.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
You know, I'm ready. Hopefully it'll pay off. Hopefully it'll
pay off right.

Speaker 3 (02:00:41):
There, all right, Well, hey, good luck with your your
fees and Nerfe's today.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
Gentlemen, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:47):
Everybody, have a great day and a happy Memorial Day weekend.
We wish you the best and we'll catch you soon.