Aaron Torres & Jason Martin Talk Celtics Pacers Game 3, Caitlin Clark, Luka Doncic & More!

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Torres here in LA. And just since Di Sega was
on air a few seconds ago, we do have an update.
Game three in Indianapolis. Boston won twelve Indiana one eleven.
Indiana had the ball under ten seconds to go. They

(00:48):
force a time out. Andrew Nemhart, who has been phenomenal
tonight thirty points for the guard out of Gonzaga, turns
the ball over himself. Celtics get the ball back. Drew
Holliday fouled. They're at the clock. Look you're trying to
figure out the exact time left on the clock. But
Drew Holliday will go to the foul line. Celtics up

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one under two seconds to go. I know they can
advance the ball to half court. Chas and Martin. But
it looks like the Celtics might survive a game where
they've essentially trailed.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
The entire second half. How are you, j mart what's
going on?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Buddy? Doing pretty good? Yeah, this has been fun, more
fun than you expected. With Tyres Haliburton out of the game,
we've been kind of texting about it off and on throughout.
There'll be talk after this as to whether or not
Dreu Holliday, who just got that steal off and them
Hart fouled him to get the ball because he didn't
really touch the ball from what I could see. I
need to see it again, I guess, but definitely look

(01:43):
like a foul and it's going to determine the game here,
one would think. But this is we knew this already.
I mean, Boston is the best team in the East.
They should win the championship. All of these things. We've
heard this now for weeks and weeks and week and weeks.
It's one of the reasons why we have said on
this show, and we've said to each other privately as well,

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that Celtics are kind of boring. They're just sort of dull,
even though they end up playing exciting games. Game one
was exciting. This game is exciting. Pacers arguably if they
could finish, would be up two games to one if
everything had played out the same, Because if you don't
let Jaylen Brown take that three in Game one to
send that game to overtime, you know, Indiana probably should
have won that ballgame. Game two, no, But then you

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look at this one. This is one they fled still
through their fingers, even without their star out there. But
this is this is this is what the better team
is supposed to do. Just find a way to win,
even if it turns out to look kind of unimpressive.
But I can't like fault this effort from Boston and
give credit to the MAVs for doing basically the same

(02:49):
thing last night, coming back in a situation except for
the fact that Boston was so heavily favored in a
weaker conference. That's really the only thing here. But again,
they'll be talk about that last play even though it isn't,
you know, fully over just yet. But Boston's gonna win
the series whether they win this game or not.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, they're still checking the clock, but one point seven
is what remains, so they have They're done checking the clock.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
The Drew Holliday is at the foul line.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Celtic's up one with one point seven seconds to go,
and obviously we'll keep this down the stretch here, keep
you posted. It is worth noting, by the way, as
we've kind of referenced a few times, Celtic's trailed by
eleven or excuse me, twelve at the half. They trail
by nine going into the fourth quarter, so they now

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have as this shot goes up and in a three
point lead with one point seven seconds left, Indiana does
have a timeout. They can't advance the ball, so we'll
see if they can force it overtime. But yeah, jaymart,
you know we can do the full postgame reaction once
this game goes final. I don't know what else there

(04:04):
is to say. I mean, you can't fault Indy for
being there. You know, it's weird. I'll say this is
that it. You know, it's interesting because we were on
air last week for the clinching game for Dallas over OKAC,
and that was a game where you and I both
kind of said like, look, you know, OKC largely had
the lead for most of the second half, but it

(04:26):
never felt like Dallas wasn't going to win that game.
And with this game, yes, I will admit that. You know,
early third quarter I kind of thought it was over.
But as I said, you know, you kind of just
see Boston shipping away, chipping away, chipping away, and from
about the middle of the third quarter on, it is
not final yet. By the way, Indiana will have the
ball at mid court with one point seven seconds left

(04:47):
down three. But I'll be honest, even when Indy was
in control, I actually don't feel like they were actually
in control, even though they had the lead for about
the last probably fifteen or so minutes of this game.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, I mean, what was it I sent you? I
sent you a text in a second quarter I said,
this is pretty embarrassing for Boston, but I'm waiting for
Indiana to run out of gas, because when you don't
have Haliburton, you're not quite as deep. You know, they
can score. I mean, Indiana's been able to score all
year long. They're an impressive offensive team, and they were
impressive in this game. But eventually, is this like adrenaline

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rush going to wear off? And when it does, can
you win the game? And so when Boston actually started
to get close, when they cut it to single digits,
and then certainly when it was around ninety three to
ninety and then it was tied, it felt like, all right, well,
Boston's definitely gonna win now. But I even told you
when they were down like eight or nine, Boston's gonna
win this game, because it just felt like, once the

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momentum is gone from you, the better team's probably gonna
win the game. And that's kind of what we have seen.
When they were up eighteen, that was one thing, but
similar to when similar to what we saw with Dallas
in game in their game a night ago, well, basically
they were able to trim what looked like an insurmountable

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lead to twelve going into the half, so it wasn't
quite as dire as it would have looked, and they
just kept chipping away. So you look at all of
those things and you get to the spot where if
a team is clutch late, they can make it happen.
Tatum had a good game, a Tomzi disappeared, but he
showed up when they needed him. Horford made some big
shots for them, and all it took was Indiana coming

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down to earth and not shooting, you know, seventy percent
from the field. Like they basically did in the first half,
and they were going to they were gonna have to
earn every bit of this, and now they have officially lost.
By the way.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, the Indiana runs a clever play out of bounds
that kind of lined up in like the one of
those football formations where everybody goes deep. Aaron Neesmith actually
did get a good look at the rim. Indiana was
trailing by three. One point seven seconds left, aaron Ne
Smith miss misses a shot at the buzzers. So Boston,
which trailed by twelve at the half and nine going

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into the fourth quarter, does rally to win this game.
Final score in Indianapolis, the Boston Celtics do take care
of business against the Indiana Who's Indiana Hoosiers Indiana Pacers
one fourteen, one eleven.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's just again, I keep going back to what I
just said a minute ago was and I think what
you said is right, Jason is I think they ran
out of gas, the Indiana Pacers. But I also it
felt like they were playing a little bit tight late
in the game, and that's what happens when you don't
have an all star arising star in Tyrese Halliburton is

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you know Andrew Emhard who was so good, look like
he was trying.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
To do too much.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
It looked like there was quite a bit of guys
kind of driving at the basket, you know, without really
a plan and hoping to get filed, and they don't
get filed, and then they're upset about that they're not
playing defense on the other end. But Boston does survive
Game three. There are now up three to zero after
a one seventeen fourteen winches.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean, I think that it wasn't as much
gas as it was adrenaline. And once the adrenaline wore off,
there was a stretch for about three or four minutes
where it felt like Indiana could not do anything but
hand the ball away. On every single possession, it was
either being stolen. I think there were four blocks on
four consecutive possessions for Boston. A look. Credit to their

(08:22):
defense for stepping up, but it turned into a calamity
of errors for Indiana on the offensive side. And it
wasn't because they were missing shots. It's because they couldn't
even get shots because they were putting themselves in terrible
situations and they were looking just clumsy, and you were
just waiting for them to find a way to turn
the basketball over. Even Seacam, when they asked him between

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the third and fourth quarter what needed to change, he said,
we got to stop turning the ball over so much.
And he's right him specifically one thing about Seakam. I
have observed this throughout this postseason. Like he's done a
lot of good things, and he scored a lot of points,
but man, I'm waiting for him to turn the ball
over every time he has it in his hand because
he's he he looks clumsy, like he looks like he's

(09:06):
wearing clown shoes. Just the way he moves, the way
he dribbles, the way his steps, and even like the
spacing of his legs, like something is really off watching
him that I did not notice. Maybe I should have
when he was in Toronto. I'm just waiting for him
to lose the ball. Every time he has his hands
it feels like it's like going off his fingertips. Even

(09:27):
when he's scoring, it looks like it looks like it's wrong.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Well, I don't know, I don't really know what to
add there, but I would you have you seen that too.
He looks weird watching him play, like a gangly deer
that just like came out of his mom's womb. And
you know, he does kind of have that like little
gate to him. But you're right, like I didn't really
notice it. I didn't really notice it when he was
in Toronto. But maybe part of it was just today

(09:53):
not having Tyrese Halibur and he felt like he had
to do more. Pascal Siakam nine of eighteen shooting in
thirty six minutes. It's but I think the point of
and we'll try to get some second half stats, but
the point of something clearly was not right in the
second half.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
How about this Jason thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Points for the Indiana Pacers in the second quarter as
they take a twelve point lead into the half. Forty
two total points in the second half. So that kind
of speaks to what we're talking about. Whether it was nerves,
whether it was no Tyrese halliburt, and whether it was
running out of gas, whether it was whatever, the Pacers

(10:31):
just did not do enough. And I think to your
point it's well taken, is like they were in control,
you know in this game.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Obviously could have won in Game one.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
But they are now trailing three as the Boston Celtics
will try to close things out on Memorial Day Monday. Jason,
anything else quick thoughts before we come back, because I
do have some more thoughts on the bigger picture of Boston,
not only in this series but in these playoffs. Anything else,
specifically on what we just saw against Celtics winning Game
three one to fourteen one.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Life. The only thing that I might add is that
they are a minus thirty four. Are the Pacers in
this series from the free throw line? Oh, They're not
getting there anywhere near as much as Boston is. It's
I mean, it's a major discrepancy. I'm not suggesting that
that's on the reps, even though I think the officiating
has been brutal in the series. But I think it's
been brutal everywhere. I don't think it's been very good

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at all this postseason across the association. But Boston is
getting there way more often. Now. Was that a function
of them being more physical? I don't know. I mean
they take threes constantly because I think they're the best
three point shooting team by percentage in the NBA. Both
those teams shoot a lot of threes, but it's in
a lack of physicality. I don't know what it is,

(11:41):
but Indiana is having a massive problem of actually getting
to the free throw line. They were outscored tonight. It
was a minus twelve in free throw attempts, even though
they were in the paint more. They scored more points
in the paint, but took twelve less free throws than
did Boston. Is Boston just that clean or is something else?
What's going on? I don't know, It's just it's an

(12:01):
unfortunate moment because of these games being so tight.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
You know what this is?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
This is karma for Purdue getting all those calls during
college basketball season in the same state. No, I'm kidding,
I'm kidding. There probably isn't gotta let we gotta let
that go. Okay, okay, okay, now you guys, you can
let it go.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I'm over, and I'm just giving him a hard time.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Of course, there's probably a lot of Pacers, Indiana pacers,
Perdue boiler Maker crossover fans. That's giving you a hard time,
Perdue boiler Maker fans. Matt Panner, feel free to call
in if you if you want. You had a lot
to say when he joined us last time. So Fox
Sports Radio air towards Jason Martin broadcasting live from the
Tireck dot com studio is totally kidding, by the way,
But do.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Want to come back, Jason?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Do think?

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Like I said, there's probably a bigger picture conversation about
Boston right now. They're up three to zero, They're cruising
towards an NBA finals yet again, and this feels like
put up or shut up time for the Celtics.

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Speaker 2 (13:51):
Fox Sports Radio Aaron Tours Jason Martin broadcasting live from
the tyreck dot Com studios. We do have a final
in Indian app Appolis, Game three of the Eastern Conference Finals.
The Boston Celtics get the one seventeen one fourteen win
despite one fourteen, one to eleven. Excuse me when they

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trail by twelve going into halftime, nine going into the
fourth quarter, but they get the victory.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
With the victory, they are obviously now up three to Oh.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Jason, I kind of want to talk bigger picture of
just where this Celtics team and kind of organization is.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
So I'm intrigued by this because you mentioned this during
our pre production meeting that you had a take on
the Celtics. You didn't tell me what it was, so
I've been thinking of trying to figure out all day
where you're going with this, so I am all ears.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, you know, listen, I it's so there's like a
bigger picture conversation about just what happens if they don't
win the championship this year. But I'll say this, this
was my thought and I kind of set it to
Kerry Rhodes. I filled in with him a few weeks ago.
You know what, the Celtics kind of remind me. And
I know it's not a perfect analogy because it didn't

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end up working for this team, But do you remember
how not only you and I, but how basically everybody
kind of talked about the Baltimore Ravens going into the
playoffs this year, Like if you remember for people who don't,
just you know, bear with me, but you know, Lamar
had had his struggles in the playoffs whatever blah blah blah.
But going into the playoffs this year, Joe Burrows obviously hurt,

(15:26):
not a factor. Trevor Lawrence gets hurt. So you know,
Jags were whatever blah blah blah. You know, Josh Allen
and the Bills they get in but they're not. Yeah,
you know, they were terrible for three quarters of the season.
They get hot late nobody thinks they're a threat. And
of course the Chiefs at the time were not playing well,
and so I bring it up because at that moment,
it felt like, Okay, by the way, you're gonna have

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home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
You're playing really well.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
If you're the Ravens, you beat the San Francisco forty
nine ers on Christmas Night, everything's going well. And so
I just remember us all saying like, as an industry,
it wasn't just you, and I like, if the Ravens
can't breakthrough this year, I don't know when the circumstances
will be better. Now they end up losing to the
Kansas City Chiefs, and as it turns out, maybe the
Chiefs are just you know, they're just that team, and

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Mahomes is that guy, and Andy Reid is that guy
and whatever.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
So it's not apples to apples.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
But I just don't know how any consumer of the
NBA can sit there and say, like, there's just no
excuses for Boston this year. I mean, you can't imagine
an easier path. You obviously have the eight seed Miami,
the four seed Cleveland. Donovan Mitchell gets hurt, You're getting
whatever the Pacers are, what are they the seven seed,

(16:37):
six seed whatever they are in the Eastern Conference finals.
Now they lose their best player, You're probably gonna sweep
your way to the finals. You're probably going to be
facing a Dallas Minnesota winner. I listen, we'll talk about
that series in a minute here.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
That series.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think even though Dallas is up two OHO, that
series is probably going five or six games. And like,
there's just never going to be a better situation that
the Celtics find themselves in. By the way, they're not
the young ups start anymore. Facing an older team like
the Warriors, They're going to be plenty rested. They have
the easiest path imaginable. It just reminds me of how

(17:14):
we talked about the Ravens, where there is just no
excuses not only get back to the finals. But I'll
be I kind of am I, I kind of feel
like you got to win it at this point, Jason,
Am I crazy? Is that too much to say that
the Celtics kind of got to win it this year?

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Or is that too much?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's a lot to ask anybody to win. But I
think that we would be having a different conversation about
them having to win in this same way if Denver
were still in this.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Sure, I think that's part of it.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, exactly, So I think that's why what you're saying
is totally right. Certainly they should be favored in every
game over Indiana, and they squeaked out too, but sometimes
you have to do that. They're the better team. We
know that they've got guys that are used to being
in this situation. You take Haliburton out of that, out
of that, and Indiana just didn't have the horses, even

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though they came awfully close and should be credited with
a lot of what they've already shown. They've shown that
they deserve to be in the spot that they find
themselves in right now, especially in that conference. But and
I heard Charles park We say this on CT on
Friday night. He's exactly right about this. He was talking
about he believes that Dallas is gonna sweep Minnesota. Now
I don't necessarily concur with that, but he says that,

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And we've talked about this many times that the NBA,
when you get to a seven game series, it's all
about matchups. Yep, Minnesota is it's Dallas is a terrible matchup.
For Minnesota. But Minnesota was a great matchup for Denver.
But Denver would destroy Dallas. But that's not the matchup
you get. You end up with Dallas and Minnesota. And

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as such, Dallas is primed and ready. They've got a
guy and Kyrie who we're going to talk about later on,
but he's used to being in this spot and winning
in this with Lebron James and having a championship under
his belt. So you look at everything there and then
then you look at the Celtics. The only thing the
Celtics have not accomplished, especially this Tatum Brown pairing, is

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a championship. They've been on the doorstep and haven't actually
been able to close the deal. So it's not a
Buffalo Bills situation. It's really not even a raven situation,
only because the Ravens never found their way to a
super Bowl yet, not with this group, not with this
Lamar Jackson group. But you're right. The only thing that
you can say is, look, they haven't had Chris STAPs Porzengis,

(19:34):
but that's about to change. Apparently he might be ready
starting in Game four or certainly for the NBA Finals.
One would think he would be there for that based
on all the indicators. So you get him back and
basically everybody else is healthy for you. And even though
you're an older team at this stage, you have more
advanced guys and you got Al Horford out there, for instance.

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You're a team with experience that should be calm in
these situations. And that's exactly what you saw. That's where
it felt like Indiana was a little bit too frantic.
It felt like they were playing too fast when they
should have been taken as much time off the shot'clock
as possible when they had that big time advantage because
you wanted to shorten the game, and it felt like

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they kept on giving the ball away, trying to do
too much too quickly, too soon. And that's a young
team making young team mistakes and they'll learn from that
and they'll get better from it. But Boston, this should
be their year, Like going into the playoffs, this should
be their year, unless it's them in Denver, because I
don't know that they're a great matchup against the Nuggets.
But even though a lot of us saw that being

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the finals, that's not the finals you're gonna get. So
you're right, you look at the pathway that you laid
out what they do in the East. I think even
Jimmy Butler was hurt during the Miami series as well,
so you had him out, you had Donovan Mitchell out,
and they fired that coach as soon.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
As you beat them.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
And now you're in Indiana and Halliburton's out and they
went through a war with the New York Mix that
went seven games. So you look at all of that,
and then you look at this Western Conference series and
that's taken a toll on whoever comes out of that series. Boston, Chacruz,
everything is it is right there, like if you were
to look at it and just say, what would be

(21:16):
the best way for us to find our way to
a championship. You're not going to see Joannis, You're not
going to see Lebron Anthony Davis. You're not gonna see
Kevin Durant. You're not gonna see Steph Curry. You're not
going to see nicolea. Jokic. You're not going to see
Jamal Murray. You're not going to see any of these guys.
You're going to have an opportunity that I don't think

(21:37):
this happens again for them if they don't win this
year if the pathway is harder for them next year.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, And maybe that's where the Ravens analogy is is
that I listen, I don't think the Ravens are ever
gonna have a better pathway and a better opportunity. They
didn't take advantage, they were at home whatever. But that
was kind of the point that I was trying to make,
is that if you don't do it now and by
the way again, and you're also going to be face
seeing a team with a huge core of players that

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has never been on that stage when you have been,
of course, playing in the NBA Finals two years ago.
Tell you what, Jason, I have one more Celtics related
question that I do want to get your thoughts on.
We'll get to that next Before we do, though, first
time this evening, let's get it to the news desk
to Sega. What's trending? Hello, gentlemen.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
You guys talked about the Celtics, if not now when
I have thought going into this postseason kind of the
same thing, and that's just been reaffirmed as the weeks
go along in this postseason, and the Celtics are on
the doorstep up three games to none in the East
Finals after winning at Indiana one fourteen one eleven. Great
game from Jason Tatum. He had thirty six points, ten rebounds,

(22:43):
eight assists, and no turnovers. Tatum's rookie year with the
Celtics was twenty eighteen. They had made the conference finals
the year before and lost to Cleveland. In his rookie year,
they made the conference finals again and lost a game
seven to Cleveland. Then in twenty twenty made the conferences
and lost to Miami in the Bubble. Twenty twenty two,
finally won a game seven to win the Eastern Conference,

(23:06):
but lost the NBA Finals to Golden State. Made the
conference finals again last year, lost to game seven to Miami.
They're obviously going to win the conference finals this year.
You could make a case that, going back to Brad
Stevens's coach over nearly a decade now, they should have
won a title or two by this point.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Well, and I mean you're talking about thinking about that.
The first year this corps got to an Eastern Conference finals,
Lebron was in Cleveland and that was who was standing
in their way.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
That shows you how long this core has been together.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
By the way, a couple of caveats including and I
know you know this to Sega, but last year, remember.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Miami was an eight seed.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Like it's not like we think of Miami as heat culture,
and it's like Miami was an eight seed and they
kind of punked in the Eastern Conference finals.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
I don't mean to cut you off to Saga Bath though.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
It was fifty seven wins for Boston last year and
sixty four wins for Boston this year, so I'm waiting.
I mean, it's a talented team. It's fun to see
talent on the court. This is the year they've got
to finally cash in. Great stat on the great night
that Jason Tatum have, ap pointing out that in the
last forty years of playoff games to do what he

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did tonight and have no turnovers had only been done once.
To have thirty points and ten rebounds and at least
eight assists and no turnovers in this playoff game. The
only other guy that had those numbers all of the
same night was Baron Davis over twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Just of course I remember that.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
Who could forget the TV ratings were very good to
start this series, by the way, as Boston had that
game one comeback and the overtime win at home. That
was for Game one against Indiana, an audience estimated at
six point four million viewers. It was down to five
point six million for the Game two home victory. But
compare that to hockey, which has been getting two million

(24:48):
viewers for the East Final, and that's New York Rangers
against Florida. In fact, on the ESPN networks for the
Stanley Cup playoffs in general so far this postseason, they
are averaging under one point three million viewers in this country. Well,
we had a Game two of the NHL's West Final
at one seed Dallas tonight. The game was one to
one for quite some time after two early goals in
the contest. Dallas wins three to one over Edmonton, tying

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up the Western Conference Final at a game apiece. Golfer
Grayson Murray died this morning at the age of thirty.
No details given. He had opened this season with a
victory in Hawaii in a playoff, getting him into the
top fifty in the world ranking. Tennis's French Open starts tomorrow.
NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday night on Fox TV.
Ty Gibbs earned his first career poll. The Indy five

(25:33):
hundred is scheduled for tomorrow. Thunderstorms are expected there as
for late night Major League Baseball and early home run
for Aaron Judge, fourth straight game for him doing that.
Yankee still lead the Padres for nothing its bottom of
the seventh inning, Guardians holding on four to three over
the Angels in Anaheim. Bottom of the seventh. Rockies lead
the Phillies three to two in the bottom of the eighth,

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and there's a game on a f ass one right now.
Top of the six Diamondbacks a three to one leader
against the Mark. Kansas City won it's eight straight game
and eleven inning victory at Tampa Bay seven to four.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Back to you, thank you very much, Steve the Seger,
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Night Era towards Jason
Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studios. As
the Sager just told you, as we've been talking about
all our Boston takes Game three of the Eastern Conference
Finals one fourteen, one eleven. And really the only other

(26:25):
question I have for you, Jason on this game and
really this series and the Celtics. I mean, listen, Boss
is up three to zero. They're gonna win this series,
and we just talked about how they would potentially match
up with either Dallas or Minnesota, and equally as important,
you know what happens if they don't win? And my
question for you is what happens if they don't win?

(26:47):
Because I'll say this is that And I've said this
many times, Jason is I believe too often, too quickly,
NBA teams feel like they have to blow things up
when things go bad. I mean, I keep making the reference,
but the Phoenix Suns last year, you know, they lose
in six to Denver in Round two, and it feels
like a disaster.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know, they blow it up.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
They obviously keep Katie and Devin Booker and basically everybody
else is new, and it's like, well, you look back
in hindsight, and the Lakers get swept in the following
round in Miami, takes one game off of Denver, and
Denver rolls to a finals, and it's like, I don't
I think if the Suns had largely run it back,
they're probably in a little bit better shape today than
they are than they are now with the current roster construction.

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So I bring that up as a caveat to say
that I think too many teams too often feel the
need to blow it up when things don't go in
the well in the playoffs. But to the Sager's point,
this corps has been together since the twenty seventeen to
twenty eighteen season. This would be the second finals appearance
for this group. This would be, I believe, if I

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have my math correct, one, two, three, four, five Eastern
Conference Finals appearances as well, and it would.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Be a second finals appearance.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
But if they don't win, and let's say it's not close,
let's say it is Dallas, and let's say you know,
Dallas just has their number and Dallas wins in five,
would that cause would you say, Okay, you won sixty
four regular season games, cruised to the number one seed
in the East, and made it to the finals. We
got to run it back largely as is, or if

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they were to lose again, a fifth conference finals of
this era, a second finals without a championship, do you
think drastic change would have to be made?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
No, I don't. I mean I think that I think
I was wrong last year when I felt like you
should have let Jayleen Brown go, because now I actually
I feel like Jayalen Brown. There's a toughness factor in him.
There's a way that I've just been impressed with how
he's played, especially in the postseason. I've kind of turned
around on him. I think I actually like him more
than I like Tatum at this point. I'm not saying

(28:58):
as the better player, but as the guy that I
think i'd want to go to war with on a
consistent basis. I think it might be jaywin Brown because
in the toughest moments, I think I trust him a
little bit more. But no, I think if they lose again,
you tweak it around the edges a little bit, you
make a couple moves. I mean, Drew Holliday just got
there and he's been a great addition for him, right,

(29:18):
But it's not like you're gonna get rid of Derek
White if you can as long as and I'm not
looking at I don't have the finances in front of him,
so I don't know the contracts. I'm just looking at
it overall from a thirty thousand foot view, there's a
lot of those guys that you don't get rid of.
I don't think, because I don't think that there are
factors in why you're losing, then there are a few

(29:38):
pieces that I think you can shift around. That's what
you do. You take the secondary guys and you see
if you can improve them. I don't know that you
need another star level player. You just might need to
get better at a couple of spots for your second unit.
Maybe you can find a way to give Tatum more
rest or Jaylen Brown more rest or something like that.
Horford might retire at the end of the year one
way or the other. So might be a problem that

(30:01):
fixes itself when it comes to having to bring in
some more youth or something like that. I don't think
it's a Mazola problem. I don't think that you go
blow this up. I don't feel like, oh, well, they're
just never going to get it done. I feel like
you're too close at this point, and you already see
success enough that I don't think that it's well, we've
done all we can with Tatum and Brown and these. No,

(30:24):
I don't think it's that way at all.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, I tend to agree with you is that I
did come into the playoffs thinking like, Okay, if it
doesn't happen this year, it might be time to reevaluate
some things. But I think if you get to an
NBA finals and the other thing too, which like it
shouldn't be a reason, but maybe it should be, like
why you kind of run it back. Even if let's

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just say it goes really bad against Dallas or whoever,
and let's acknowledge that to your point, Denver would be
a really bad matchup for them, Dallas would have in
that point won an NBA title, even if it's Minnesota whatever.
I do still think the fact that the East is
largely a cluster I think has to factor in, right,
is that you just can't make sweeping changes. And I
think it'd be an interesting conversation because you run it back,

(31:10):
you run it back, you run it back, you know,
with the definition of insanity doing the same thing over
and over and expecting a different result.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
But look at these playoffs.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Is that you know, the Knicks were a feel good story,
but I don't think any of us think that the
Knicks actually matched up even reasonably well with the Boston Celtics.
The Bucks are just it's weird over there, man, It's weird.
Is it a doc thing?

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Ay honest thing?

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Is it? You know?

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Dame maybe has passed his prime whatever. So I guess
I you know, it's a boring response, but I actually
do happen to agree with you? Is I just think
that there really is nothing, you know, I think you
have to run it back with this core.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Even if things don't go well.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
I just don't know what you do to make yourself
better than you are right now. I think that's that's
I just got to say, what do you do in
place of what you have? They get you closer than
you already were. And I don't think the answer exists.
I don't think the free agents exist that you could
bring in. I'm gonna take these two guys out. I'm
going to bring these two guys in. I don't think

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that gets you any closer.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
No, I agree, and especially too. I think the other
thing is, you know, just Drew Holliday has been such
a net positive idea always Yeah, and you know I
so then it comes down to, okay, who are you
getting rid of if that's the case. And then obviously, look,
there are finances, and the one thing you know, we've
we've all learned in sports is finance. You know. They
everybody always figures out a way if something needs if

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a change needs to be made.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
You can always find a way.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
But I kind of agree with you, And it's kind
of a moot point tonight because the Boston Celtics are
up three to zero in the Eastern Conference Finals. Tell
you what, Jason, we'll come back. We'll quickly touch on
the Western Conference Finals. Chuck said he thinks it's over.
I believe j Mar just said he thinks it's over.
But is it really? We'll discuss that next Fox Sports.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
Radio listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio, Welcome back, everybody,
Fox Sports Radio er towards Jason Martin broadcasting live from
the Tireraq dot Com studios.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
So we spent a lot of time in hour one
talking Game three Eastern Conference Finals. Boston Celtics win by three.
They have a three nothing series lead. We'll look to
close things out Monday night, Memorial Day Eve, Jason. But
there is of course another series going on in the NBA.
The Dallas Mavericks take a two oh series lead on

(33:36):
Luca Dogs's three over Rudy Gobert.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
After putting them on skates.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
After putting them on skates with less than ten seconds left.
J mart you know you mentioned Chuck the old Chuckster
the chuck Stop, saying that he believes that the series
is over with Dallas up two to oh winning two
games in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Do you feel the same.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Jason, No, I don't think it's over. I'm not willing
to go so far as to say it's over because
what Dallas just did in Minnesota, Minnesota is capable of
doing that to Dallas. I don't necessarily expect that to happen,
but I'm not to the point where I think it's over.
The problem and everybody on that broadcast said this. In

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the postgame, Shaq kind of beat around the bush, but
he got there. Draymond immediately got there. To his credit,
even though he's been oh, he's been Draymond, so some
of it's been good, some of it's been bad, but
he was dead right about this. Anthony Edwards is beat.
He is exhausted. I think Draymond said he hit a wall.

(34:42):
He's like they've hit the wall. Anthony Edwards has hit
the wall. He's not used to this. He's not used
to playing with just one day off, over and over
and over, this many minutes, this high intensity, and there
was a report I believe that during the second quarter
or maybe it was early in the third quarter of
that game, Wo actually getting oxygen in the tunnel because

(35:03):
he was just that exhausted from what was going on.
Not to excuse anything, but just to say, if he
can't catch his breath, if that doesn't change, then yeah,
this thing is over. I'm just I'm hesitating because I
know how talented Minnesota can be, and I've seen them

(35:24):
just shoot very poorly in a couple of these circumstances
as well. I want to make sure I think Dallas
is now going to win the series. But I'm not, like,
I'm not willing to call it over, like, oh there's
no chance. I don't think that's necessarily the case yet.
So I agree with you. You know, you look at
these two games. First of all, both games came down
to the wire. Dallas wins Game one by three. Dallas

(35:45):
wins Game two obviously by one point on that Luka Dancis.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Three that we just referenced. But I mean, look, there's
a few factors here. I mean, remember Minnesota, did you know, Listen,
they won game one in Game two in Denver, but
they also lost Game three, Game four last series in Minnesota.
So it's not as though they have not lost playoff
games at home. I do think it's a little bit
of a different deal. But you know, the separation between

(36:11):
these two teams has not been very big in the
first two games, and I do think there is you know,
it's not like an amazingly brilliant take by by me,
but I think there's absolutely something in the Anthony Edwards
stuff last night, five of seventeen, shooting twenty one points,
six of sixteen in game one. And it's easy to
forget because they won Game seven, but he was six
of twenty four in that game. And I'll say this,

(36:34):
I think what it really comes down to, Jason is
I hate to say this because I love this about
Anthony Edwards. I think a lot of it might just
be he plays really hard on both ends of the court,
you know, and it's like, you know, there are guys that,
you know, even Lebron probably in the tail end of
his Cleveland time now, early in his career, he was

(36:56):
really an elite defender. But I think, you know, towards
the tail end he kind of picked and show his
spots defensively. Steph has kind of always been a guy
that's kind of good at jumping passing lanes. But he's
not like an elite on the ball defender. And I
think that might be part of what the issue is
here with with Anthony Edwards, is just the fact that
he plays so hard on both ends of the floor.

(37:17):
He was great defensively in that series against Denver, and
I do think there's probably something to the fact that
it's probably all catching up to him now.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, And I mean we're gonna see because there's still
time in the series. He is only twenty two years old.
I saw that excuse being made some people like twenty two,
what are you talking about. It's like, that's just ignorant.
I mean, that could happen to anybody. We've seen it
happen to college athletes. But again, I mean, he's playing
so hard, and he's playing he was playing at such
a high level and he had to in order to

(37:46):
get through to the spot where they find themselves in
right now. He and he wasn't getting help in the
last series very much, not what they needed. And so
I do think and you're even seeing it, like defensively
and kind of the way he's walking up the floor,
he just looks tired. He looks demonstrably different than before.

(38:07):
And that's something that's gonna have to change. I don't
know that it's going to and that's gonna determine whether
or not Minnesot's able to get back in the series.
The one guy that you have just kind of watched it,
like Karl Anthony Towns has been better in this postseason
than I expected on a more consistent basis. Nas Reed's
been outstanding. Yeah, nas Reed has every bit that whole

(38:28):
six Man of the Year thing. Yeah, pretty much. I
mean without him last night, I don't know what they
had because when the MAVs started doing their thing, it
was nas Reed that kept them in the game.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
He won. I forget which game it was.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Uh was it game one of the games like he
was great, unreal man in a couple of the games
against against Denver last round.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
I think it was maybe Game two. I want to say,
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
There was one game where he was like unbelieva he
scored like I think it was. I think it was
Game two, and I think you and I were coming
on air after that game. I could be mistaken. Maybe
it was Game one where he had like fifteen points
in the fourth quarter or something like that. So no,
I agree on Minnesota, and I do think by the way,
you know, what you said earlier about the Celtics, I

(39:16):
think is applicable here, which is that styles make fights.
And I just think the size of Denver was actually
played into Minnesota's advantage. But you know, you look at
the Minnesota Denver series. Jamal Murray's a little bit banged up.
You know, they don't have as much backcourt pop as
they did last year. Well this year, you know, or

(39:39):
this year is excuse me, you're playing Luca Kyrie obviously
played great in Game one, not so much last night.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
You know, PJ.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Washington's kind of more of a wing, but he's playing well.
But I'm with you, man, is that that It does
feel like I'm not ready to give up on the series,
But I just think at this point it's hard for
me to think that Minnesota can come back because we
now have really a three game stay ample size, and
you could say probably about four of the last five games,
Anthony Edwards has really struggled. And it's the most obvious

(40:07):
situation ever that if Anthony Edwards is not playing well,
the Minnesota Timberwolves have no chance. So Fox Sports Radio
Aertors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the tirack dot com studios.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Our one is in the books.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
To quote Arnie Spanier, our one just flow on by,
Come back Jason. We'll talk a little Caitlyn Clark, maybe
a little Lebron James. A lot to discuss from the
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As de Seger just told you, the Boston Celtics take
a three to zero series lead with a one fourteen,

(41:08):
one to eleven win. We'll get back to the NBA momentarily.
Should mention, by the way, shortly after the show, our
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Speaker 3 (41:25):
Again.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts,
and you'll see the show posted after we get off air. So, Jason,
one of the unfortunate things, if you want to, if
you want to call you know, if you want to
call it unfortunate. We're blessed to be on these airwaves
once a week. But when you're only on the airwaves
once a week, when you get a very polarizing topic,

(41:48):
a lot of stuff happened. And let me say this,
we've missed about seven different Caitlin Clark news cycles since
the last time that we've been on air. You and
I were on air last week. You know, I I
don't even know how much we talked to Caitlyn Clark.
We talked a lot about the story with the Las
Vegas aces. They all got that one hundred thousand dollars uh. Basically,

(42:09):
as you phrased, I think accurately, it was basically an
nil deal, basically an endorsement deal with kind of the
Las Vegas Visitors Bureau, and everybody was all upset and
it's so unfair and blah blah blah blah blah, and
this and that. Well since then, Uh, there's been a
lot in WNBA. Most of it's centering around Caitlyn Clark,
and most of it in a negative capacity.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
I mean, there was the Jammel.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Hill interview with the La Times where she basically insinuated,
and she did insinuate. She said that Caitlyn Clark's race
and sexuality has played a role in her success this year.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Jime, I didn't know that, but Jamel Hill, huh, never
would have thought, never would if she would have gone
down that pathway she did disgrace in.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
An interview with the La Times.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, it's you know, she was, you know, once a
pretty well respected you know journalist, didn't dude, No, Lie,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Tell you something that I don't know anybody knows this,
but back when Clay Travis was still on Fox and
I was his executive producer, he was friendly with Jammel Hill.
Like this is fairly early on. He thought, you know,
Jamel was fun. I think she came on the show once,
or we were about to have her on the show.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Get that out of the archives, baby.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, like something. I don't know if she was actually
on the show or if we were trying to do it.
But she was like friendly and nice and fun and
like there was not really anything to dislike about Jameel
Hill at that point in time. Boy, well you had
a few years and change some things around. If you
remember that whole Sports Center the sixth thing. Yeah, I

(43:37):
was punished by Clay by having to watch the six
and report on it every morning for something that had
happened on air. It was part of a dare and
it was one of the most torturous things I've ever done.
Like Jamel Hill, you could almost be sure that for
any given topic, you're gonna get the most offensively just

(43:58):
awful commentary her. She finds a way to take it
to the same place every time. It is so tiresome.
It's frustrating, quite frankly.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Well, and it is sad because you know, is that
one like you said, you know, I don't follow her
on social media, and I don't want to make this
whole thing about you know, just just but like she's pretty,
you know, easy going on a lot of topics, and
then there's something that triggered and what I think is
I guess sad, I don't know. Sad, It's not the

(44:30):
right word. But I mean clearly was at the top
of this profession. And I think what's pretty obvious is
I mean, I'll just say it. I don't care if
I pissed people off. But like, I don't know if
she either didn't have talent, doesn't have talent, or what.
But she keeps going back to this well and it's
the only card she has, you know. I mean, you

(44:52):
look at you know whoever, I can't you know, I'm
not going to start comparing contrasting. But there are people
that are good at multi mediums and they have careers
that last twenty thirty forty years. They're good on TV,
they're good on radio, they evolve and as you know,
one platform diminishes, they're good on a different platform. And
it's like her, she only makes news when when she's

(45:14):
saying something silly. So what she said was in an
interview with the La Times, she said, we would all
be naive if we didn't think race and her sexuality
played a role in her popularity, this being Caitlyn Clark.
While so many people are happy for Caitlyn's success, including
the players, this has had such an enormous impact on
the game, there is part of it that is a
little bit problematic because of what it says about the

(45:36):
worth and the marketability. And I think that's the end
of the quote, at least the one that I'm seeing
that led to. And I don't know if you saw this,
did you see what happened on the View shortly shortly
after this? So Sonny Houstin, yes, another one. Yeah, she
actually blocked me on Twitter today because I called her
out anyway, she said, I do think that there is

(45:57):
a thing called this is sunny Houstin on the View,
and I think it was actually kind of piggybacking off
Jamel Hill's comment. Sonny Hostin said, I do think there's
something called pretty privilege. There's a thing called white privilege.
There is a thing called tall privilege, and we have
to acknowledge that. And so part of it is about race,
because if you think about the Britney grinders of the world,
why did she have to go play in Russia because

(46:19):
they wouldn't pay her. So, I mean, first of all,
there's just so much wrong, and you know, it's kind
of sad that one this league finally has a spotlight
on it. But what's kind of sad is there just
appear to be so many people that I don't know,

(46:41):
Like I even look at somebody like Sunny Hostin. I
don't even know why she feels the need to speak
on this like it's not a place from of intelligence.
Brittany Griner broke a law in Russia. That's why she
was arrested. Who's to say that Caitlyn Clark won't play
overseas in the offseason.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
It's just really sad.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
But then I also think, you know, Jason, there's a
little bit of a silver lining, and that's this is
that there's been so much toxicity I think is the
right way to say it around her. And then I
turn on the game last night and I know she
played again today, Caitlin Clark played. Yeah, she did not
play well against Las Vegas Aces. But I turned on
the game last night, Staple Center, Crypto dot Com Arena, whatever,

(47:28):
nineteen thousand people at Crypto dot Com arena. And so
I think we can get lost in the negative of
all of these headlines beyond the games on the court.
And it's not to say that it's been a seamless transition.
She has struggled. It's okay, most rookies do in most sports.
But I did look at the game last night and

(47:48):
I said, look, nineteen thousand people were Crypto dot Com
Arena to see Caitlin Clark. By the way, the Los
Angeles Sparks have been playing in Lost Long Beach because
some construction stuff at Crypto. But I bring it up
because I looked it up today. Los Angeles the Sparks
averaged six thousand people per game at Crypto dot Com
Arena last year. They had three thousand in Long Beach.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
The other night.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Nineteen thousand to see Kate Lenclark on Friday night in
Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Wow. I mean, look, here's what's the truth of the
matter is, to some degree not everything.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Look.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Bill Roden had that same kind of article based on
I mean, not based on what Jamel said, but very
similar to sort of that Jamel take, maybe not quite
that far. He did it for The Undefeated, and I
read it in its entirety. It's not that every bit
of that argument is completely fallacious. It's just there's more
to it than just that argument, and to limit it

(48:47):
to that, I think does a disservice to everything. But
there is no doubt, and the question is how long
it's gonna last. But there is no doubt that she's
bringing attention and eyeballs that have just never can about
the w NBA before. And we're one of them, no doubt.
You know, almost everybody on this network is one of them.

(49:08):
No offense to the history of the WNBA, but it's
irrelevant on a large scale. It just is we're paying
attention to Caitlin Clark. I don't really care that she's white.
I really don't. It's it's it's just a thing. But
it's not like she's the first white women's basketball player
that I know of. Sue Bird and we can go

(49:30):
way down the line and talk about a whole lot
of them. And yes, there's also Kandas Parker, and there's
Shmikah Holt's claw, and there's Cheryl Miller, and there's a
number and you know, Rebecca Lobo if you want to
go the other way, like it's all there, like there's
there is stuff that's there. We are not We should
never as human beings be reducible to the most basic qualifier.

(49:55):
It's like, we are more. I am more than a
white male heterosexual. You are more than that. Caitlin Clark
is more than a white female, heterosexual. But that limits everything.
It's such a lowest common denominator, garbage argument. That's the
problem with it. The people that are doing this to
me in many cases, like I look at Jamail Hill

(50:18):
and what we were saying about her earlier, I just
feel like it's a grift. I feel like it's all
she's got left, apparently because she's smarter than this. She
went to Michigan State. Nothing against that school or speaking
about it. I don't know about their academics, but I
do know that she's done good work at different times.
She's written pieces that I've written or that I've read
that I've found entertaining throughout the years, and things like that.

(50:41):
I found her even though I disagree with her a lot,
when she was just doing sports opinions on ESPN. That's
true with a lot of the people that I watched
on ESPN, So it didn't really matter. She had things
to offer. But for her to go to this place,
it's just like this is the last refuge of a grift,
that's all that's left here. It's so unfortunate right now,

(51:03):
everybody that cares a lick about the future of women's
basketball should be doing everything they can to edify and
encourage everyone to watch Caitlyn Clark. If they then care
about Angel Reese or Atlanta, Boston or whoever it is,
that's great. You have one shot, you have one athlete
that can bring eyeballs, and maybe that turns to something else.

(51:25):
I have my doubts, but I also have my doubts
that we're going to be watching Kaitlin Clark for five years.
I think it's going to start to kind of lessen.
People are going to pay attention, they're going to see
how she's doing. But watching games, it's just going to
continue to deteriorate. This is when you should be striking,
and instead you're creating all these other narratives that are
actually harming what you're trying to accomplish.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Well, one, I don't think there's any doubt. You know,
there's a saying all publicity is good publicity. I think
it's an example that's not true. I don't think it
helps anything in any way by Caitlin Clark or by
Jamel Hill saying that the only in that we care
or you know, I lost the quote here, so I'm paraphrasing,
but that we only care because she's white and because

(52:06):
of her sexuality. Listen, I just don't agree with that,
and maybe I'm just off. Okay, First of all, I
wouldn't know what her sexuality was unless Jamal Hill told me.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I'm not an Instagram stalker. I got too much to
do in my free time. I don't know if there's
boyfriends on there. I don't know if there's girlfriends on there.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
To your point about Sabrina and Jescu, Brianna Stewart, you
go on and on down list, there have been plenty
of other white stars. Now, what exactly has made Caitlin
Clark cross over, I'm not quite sure. I think it's,
as we've said many times. I think it's the fact
that it was this perfect storm of you knock off

(52:45):
South Carolina in the final four, you lose to Angel
Reese and Lsu. Angel Reese taunts you, you taught her
all the main characters come back for another full year,
all as your setting records. I think the way that
she plays, she's got a little Steph Curry to her game,
a lot of Steph Curry to her game. I think
that's it. But but I just I'll be honest. I'm
not trying to be I'm not trying to have blinders on. Okay,

(53:07):
I don't think that. You know, race and sex and
sexuality plays no role in a lot of things in
society and even in sport. I can't think of a
good one off the top of my head. But I
just maybe I'm just off.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I really don't think that. I like again, you know,
I didn't know. I'm I guess she's a heterosexual woman.
Good for her, not good for her.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
I don't really care.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
It doesn't matter in my world, and it's just hard
for me to wrap around my head that she's only
popular because she's a white girl. By the way, let
me ask you a question, Jason, who's probably the second
most popular player in the WNBA right now.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I'd say it's probably Angel Race.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah, I would say, so, she would stuff. She would
definitely tell you she is.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
She would then she would then she would claim victimhood
when when everybody got mad for her being heir. But
last time I checked, Angel Reese is in a white girl.
But she's fun, she's full of personality. Obviously, you know,
she's a very you know, let's be honest, she's a
beautiful girl. We called her Bayou Barbie when she was
at LSU. So like again, I just like there are

(54:17):
times when race and sex and sexuality, like I think
it plays a role. And maybe I'm totally naive and
maybe I'm totally missing this. I would acknowledge if it did.
I just don't think it does because to your point,
we have, well, to both of our points, we have
a track record of several high profile white girls coming
into this league and not having the impact. And at

(54:39):
the same time, there are a lot of African American
players that are stars that people care about, headlined by
her college rival Angel Reese.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, I mean, I just I don't think I think
you're right about that one point as well, that I
don't think the vast majority of people know what her
sexuality is and I don't think that it's relevant. I
don't think it matters, Like I don't know why in
the world needs to be a thing that needs to
be shouted from the rooftops by anybody ever. Like that's
just my personal perspective. It's like I disagree with your

(55:09):
chosen lifestyle, but whatever, right, But when you then jump
on top of a roof and tell me that that's
all you are when you hang a flag to say
that's all I am is what I choose to go
to go to bed with. Like again, Caitlin Clark is
more than that. Angel Reese is more than that. Samika
Hols Clause more than that. Rebecca Lobo is more than that.
Patrick Mahomes is more than that. Like every athlete in

(55:32):
every sport is more than that. Every human being out
there listening to this better my goodness, I pray sincerely
that you find yourself to be more important than that
one qualification. But that's the problem here, is it's just
it's such a weak argument because it reduces everybody to
the most basic characteristics, And it's just super unfortunate and

(55:56):
wrong that we would do that to anybody. Like, there
are so many good stories that you could be writing
right now about this whole scenario, but instead you're trying
to poke holes in it for the most obvious politically
biased reasons.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, and then one last thought, if Kaitlyn Clark is
white and is heterosexual and it is bringing fans to
the league, why is that a bad thing?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Like that's the other part that I haven't heard anybody
even it shouldn't be at all. Why.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I mean, like, this isn't like boxing or something where, like,
you know, you act tough and you throw a punch
at the press conference, and that's what's bringing in fans like, Oh,
Caitlyn Clark's like a four year college graduate and has
said all the right things and done all the right Like, why.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Is it a bad like that?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I haven't heard, Actually, now that I'm thinking about it,
I haven't heard anybody just bring up that point, even
if that is the truth, even if her sexuality in
her race is the reason, why is that a bad thing?
By the way, if that is the case, I don't
I don't even I don't want to go much further
down this path before I say something dumb. But like
I just I guess that's just my last point, Jason,

(57:06):
is I'm failing to see where even if it was true,
and I don't believe it is, and maybe I'm totally
missing something, I don't see why that's necessarily a bad thing.
She's a by all accounts, a good girl, a good person,
does things the right way, says things the right way.
Haven't heard anybody say anything negative about how she treats teammates, coaches, fans, whatever.
So even if that was the case, why is that

(57:26):
a bad thing? Why is it quote unquote problematic? It
definitely shouldn't be problematic. The only way that this argument
can be made, I'll say this real quick, because I
know we get it to break, But the.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Only way this argument should be made is if she
stinks out loud and is terrible for a couple of
years and she's still the only thing people are talking about. Agreed,
Then we can have a different discussion about why it
is that she's relevant. But she's still riding the high
for a lot of people with being the first women's
basketball player they've ever really heard and paid attention to,

(57:59):
because she was relentlessly pushed because of the narrative that
came out of last year's NCAA Final four that then
let into what happened this year. It became a storyline
that went through the year. People are turning into Peacock
and see her break records and all this because it's happening,
it's history, it's something we've never seen before. It's Michael
Phelps like, it's Usain Bolt, like it's totally different, and

(58:20):
it becomes a thing like an eclipse that you have
to see. But if she stinks out loud and we're
still only talking about her and that's what's being marketed
all the time, and she's not actually doing anything off
the court either, sure we can have an argument, but
the reason I say that's the only time is because
I don't think that's gonna happen. If she stinks out loud,

(58:41):
we're gonna stop talking about her like we do virtually
anybody else, unless she becomes a celebrity off the floor,
which I don't know that that's really what she's in
it for.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, and it is worth noting, by the way, did
not play well tonight. They played the Las Vegas Aces
on Saturday night in Las Vegas, the two time reigning champs.
But it is worth noting coming into Saturday after that
game in Los Angeles, she's averaging sixteen points, seven points
a game, five and a half rebound, six point two
assists per game. Now she is turning the ball over
a lot, but seventeen five and a half and six

(59:13):
in her first six or whatever professional games, that's not bad.
Like like you said, like, yeah, if she sticks out loud,
she's not stinking out loud. Now, is she playing like
the greatest player ever? No, but listen, I'm not what
it is. That's what I'm saying. I'm not gonna sit
here and lie and say that I know how it
compares to everybody else and Diana Tarazzi's this and Candice

(59:34):
Parker's first six games, But seventeen five and a half.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
And six does not feel that bad to me to
start a career.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Fox Sports Radio Aertorris, Jays mart We are fired up
here midnight Eastern talking talk to WNBA.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
You know, maybe it is good publicity because we're fired
up here on a Saturday night. We'll come back, Jason.
Do want to get to another certainly interesting topic. We
talked a little bit about Harrison Bucker last week, and
there was a very interesting follow up this evening. We'll
discuss that next. This is Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Welcome back, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Fox Sports Radio, Aer Tors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from
the tyreck dot Com studios. Tell you what We went
a little long in the last segment. So what I
want to do now? Toss it over the news desk
to Seger. Tell us what's trending. We'll get to the
Celtics win in a moment. There is one ball game
finishing up on FS one. In the top of the
ninth Arizona is leading three to two over Miami. The

(01:00:30):
Yankees have won their fourth in a row, four to
one at San Diego Aaron Judge Homert for a fourth
straight game. The Boston Celtics, who in the regular season
had a record of sixty four and eighteen, are up
three games to none in the NBA's East Finals now
after winning at Indiana tonight one fourteen to one eleven.
Celtics led by eighteen points mid third quarter. Jason Tatum

(01:00:51):
finished with thirty six points and no turnovers. Andrew Nemhart
of the Pacers thirty two points. As Tyrese Halliburton was
out tonight at least with his strain hamstring. The Pacers
will host Game four on Monday night with the holiday
in the WNBA two time defending champion Vegas beat Indiana
ninety nine to eighty. Indiana's record one and six. Caitlin

(01:01:12):
Clark seven assists, six turnovers in the loss. Dallas on
the ice was tied with Edmonton one to one after
the first four and a half minutes of game two
of the West Final tonight. Eventually, Dallas three won the
final to tie up the series at a game apiece.
Game three is in Edmonton on Monday night. The Oilers
had taken the series opener in double overtime, but tonight

(01:01:32):
Edmonton went about twelve minutes between shots twice in the game.
In the East, the number one New York Rangers play
at Florida tomorrow. That series tied at a game apiece.
Each team in the last four right now is seeking
its first Stanley Cup title in at least twenty years.
That is an NHL first. Tennis is French Open starts tomorrow.
American Madison Keys won the tune Up tournament in Strasburg.

(01:01:54):
Men's number one Novak Djokovic has not won a tournament
this year. Rafael Nadal, who turns thirty eight next month,
has a first round match against number four seed Alexander Zverev.
For Nadal, it could be his final French Open, but
he wouldn't go so far as to say that out loud.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Today.

Speaker 7 (01:02:10):
NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday night on Fox
TV from Charlotte. Ty Gibbs earned his first career poll
the UFL football season continues Sunday on Fox before the Race.
It's the next to last weekend of that league's regular season.
Among the two games today, Arlington upset the Saint Louis
BattleHawks thirty six twenty two. As guys in the fourth quarter,

(01:02:32):
Arlington out scored him nine to one. Let's chomp on
that one a little bit. Apparently it was a return
of an extra point and that was the one point,
just for the record. And the other game, Birmingham, which
is already wrapped up a playoff spot, actually lost eighteen
to nine at San Antonio. Adrian Martinez. We keep bringing
up the name. The former Nebraska quarterback has been having

(01:02:53):
a good UFL season, but today one touchdown, one interception.
He did have five carries fifty six yards. And I
must mentioned college softball congratulations Oklahoma State, which has advanced
and Arizona. As Aaron can testify anytime Arnie was co
hosting on a Saturday night, any team in the athletic
department of the Arizona Wildcats, if they were playing during

(01:03:15):
the show, they would lose. Arizona's baseball team is in
the Pac twelve title game in Scottsdale, tonight and was
being no hit for six innings. They have just taken
the lead and won it on the oh my goodness
run in the bottom of the ninth Arizona four to three.
They have literally just beaten USC to win the back

(01:03:37):
twelve title. This the final national TV game. I assume
for any PAC twelve sport. I sent jmrt a tweet earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Buddy, well, not a buddy, but somebody I know in
the media was covering the event and she posted a picture.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Let me find it real quick.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
PAC twelve network had a semi final and said they're
good buys last night.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
By the way, officially she said this was she's at
the game. She said, the PAC twelve is running and
everything must go sale. At the final day of the
PAC twelve tournament in Scottsdale, everything is listed at five dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I could nice, look advisors they did.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Yeah, I could be wrong, but I think this is
like the last official PAC twelve event.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I mean I would assume every.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Yeah, I don't know the tennis schedule or anything like that.
Tell you the tennis National Championships were today. Because my
buddy Ryan Fowler was tweeting NonStop about some girl from
Alabama that was in the championships, so they were already
at their nationals, so.

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
He should have been tweeting NonStop about Alabama softball. Do
you see how long that went on? For fourteen innings?
They won at Tennessee three to two to stay aized.
So we've got a bunch of game threes. Are the
best of threes tomorrow to see who goes to the
World Series.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
All right, well, I do think it was the last
official conference.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Wow, what a way to finish.

Speaker 7 (01:04:53):
I know, the team that was getting no hit wins
four to three with a run on the ninth. Arizona
beats usc to win the Pac twelve Baseball crown, by
the way, number one in softball. Texas played a wild
one and forced a game three tomorrow and nine inning
extra inning win nine to eight over Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
A and M. Thank you very much to Sager.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
To Saga will be back in just a few minutes
to give us his extended update. Again, so much to
get into here. On a Saturday, Fox Sports Radio Entertwords
Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tyrek dot com studios
alongside Steve Disager.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
All right, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Let's give what I think is a little bit of
an interesting update, Jason, I thought we had a good
conversation on Harrison Butker last week. Really quickly, Mary Mack
has a shortened version of some of his comments at
a commencement speech.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Mary, go ahead and hit what you got.

Speaker 9 (01:05:45):
I think it is you, the women who have had
the most diabolical lies told to you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
How many of you are sitting here now.

Speaker 9 (01:05:51):
About to cross this stage and are thinking about all
the promotions and titles you are going to get in
your career. Some of you may go on to lead
successful careers in the world, but I would venture to
guess that the majority of you are most excited about
your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
There was more, and you know, listen, Jason and I
and everybody has shared their opinion, so we don't have
to get into it, but it's worth noting there was
more to that part of the speech. There was also
a big part where Harrison Butker basically said that the
most important role of a man is to be a
good father to his children. So for people who you know, listen,

(01:06:28):
everybody's in time to their opinion. That is a big
theme of this conversation, but there was I think a
lot more that was than what was reported. But it's
been an interesting week, Jason, Because Andy Reid spoke out
in defense of Harrison Butker. Patrick Mahomes spoke out in
defense of Harrison Butker. The only person we had not

(01:06:48):
heard from at least until Saturday, was Harrison Butker himself.
He spoke late Friday at an event. How about this,
Jason called the Courage under Fire gala in nash feel
very appropriate. Maybe you know a little something about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Jason lives in Nasville, fore people don't know. Here is
what Harrison Bucker had to say about his comments and
basically what he has gone through the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
It is now, it is now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Over the past few days, my beliefs or what people
think I have been the focus of countless discussions around
the globe. At the outset, many people expressed a shocking
level of hate, but as the days went on, even
those who disagreed with my viewpoints shared their their support
for my freedom of religion. He continued, It's a decision
I've consciously made and one I do not regret at all.

(01:07:39):
So Harrison Bucker asked about his decision, he said, more,
don't want a paraphrase, but the important part, it is
a decision.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
I do not regret at all, Jason.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Nor should he, And I'm glad that this is what
he did because this is what he believes. Now, that
doesn't mean that there are certain beliefs that you can
hold that are report warrant that you can learn from
and change. But this is his Catholic doctrine is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
And he is speaking at a religious college, which is important,
but continue, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
It is. He made a conscious decision to speak to
Catholic values at a time when even the Pope arguably
has kind of gone against traditional Catholic values. He is
standing up there and he is speaking two Catholic students
at a Catholic commencement, and he's saying, these Catholic values

(01:08:31):
are important. Please don't lose them. Don't let the world
tell you, ladies that you must forego marriage, you must
forego being a mother. And if you do choose those things,
then you are settling as opposed to No, you're doing
the most important thing you could possibly do, and that's
for men or women, and that's to have children and

(01:08:53):
raise them. It's the most important thing that you can do.
It's the most important possible human thing that we can do.
If he had apologized, does anybody forgive him that's upset
with him? No? No, This is why none of the
you know, take the knee and apologize for whatever privilege

(01:09:17):
somebody says that you have, or all this kind of stuff.
You don't do it. You can't do it. If you
don't believe it, then you can't kneel for it. You
have to stand. And what Harrison Butker said, there was
no question, There was no doubt that what he said.
And this isn't even about whether or not you believe
or agree with what he said. This is flat out

(01:09:40):
you know, he believed every word that came out of
his mouth. So for him to then back down would
have just made him look weak and feckless. It would
not in any way have reduced the backlash or the
outcry from the people that were coming after him already.
And you know, you look at you talked about Kelsey

(01:10:00):
came out and said he's more than his belief. Mahomes said,
I might disagree with him, but he's a great guy.
Andy Reid is a strong Christian. I don't know about
the other two gentlemen I just spoke of so I
but I do know it for Andy Reid, so it
doesn't surprise me in the least that he backed this
guy as well. It's not just because he's a great kicker,
But that doesn't hurt I mean, certainly, if he was

(01:10:21):
a you know, a terrible backup kicker who was terrible
in the locker room and everybody hated him, you know,
they're not going to come stand up for him. But
this speaks to that organization, you know, having their priorities
properly in order. And generally my take is just Harrison
Butker believed what he said. He stood there and said
it knowing that it was going to it was going

(01:10:45):
to cost him something. His faith was going to cost
him something. And that's what faith should do. Like faith
in that's what it is. It's courage under fire. It's
being willing to do that and stand up and say
what you believe, regardless of the consequences that are to come.
You can get taken off the radio. I remember having

(01:11:05):
a conversation with, you know, a former supervisor who basically said, hey,
can you can you you know, I know you're you're
a strong Christian and it's it's coming through a lot
of times in your show. Could you could you do
us a favor and not actually say the name Jesus
Christ on the air. And I'm thinking to myself, I mean,
if that's if that, if I if I were to
lose my job for doing that, then it's probably not

(01:11:27):
a job I should have. You've got to have standards
and principles that you are not willing to just shove
under the rug for what's comfortable. And so I applaud
Harrison Bucket for standing up and saying no, I don't
regret saying this because his Catholic like, his Catholic faith
is so important to him that it wasn't like regardless

(01:11:48):
of what the world said, he was answering to a
higher authority in his life.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Yeah, and you you understand the religious element more than
I do. But I just I go go to you know,
I think you know the locker room is a metaphor
for life, is that there's a lot of different people
from different backgrounds, different ethnicities, different sexes, different races, all
that stuff that we always talk about. And but also

(01:12:15):
people should be as Patrick Mahomes said, judged by their actions,
not their words. And everybody who knows Harrison Bucker and
this is why, like you know, cracks me up. And
I'm not saying I've ever been in a firestorm like
Harrison Bucker, but I've said stuff on social.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Media that people don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Oh, Torres, you're this, You're that, You're you know, a racist,
a sexist, a homophobe, whatever, And it's like, you know,
it's just my opinion. The people that know me know
where my heart was, and you know, I don't. I
don't believe that I am whatever people have accused me of.
And I don't know Harrison Butker, so I can't speak
to it. But all that matters is that the people

(01:12:54):
that do know Harrison Bucker not only had his back,
but they're like, I know what his character is and
you know, and this is all stuff that we talked
about last week. We get out of here and get
to disager, but we talked about this last week. We
listened to the speech. There was nowhere where he said,
you know, women can't work. No, I don't allow my

(01:13:15):
wife to lead. You know, it's it's you know, it's
what's best for him and his family. It was a
religious school. He shared his personal opinion. You're allowed to disagree.
As I said last week, my wife says stuff that
I disagree with, I say stuff that she disagrees with.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
If everybody doesn't say anything, and really quickly I'll toss
back to you will close out. I like the part
where Harrison Bucker said, at the outset, many people expressed
a shocking level of hate. But as the days went on,
even those who disagreed with my viewpoints shared their support
for my freedom of religion. And we don't have to
do a whole you know, First Amendment conversation at twelve

(01:13:52):
forty two Eastern time. But I think that's an important point,
is that it's okay to have differing views on peopleblic figures.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yeah it is. And look, I think what's been lost
so often in just modern society generally, and this is
this is a quick take, and we can get to
break We can no longer break bread, disagree, shake hands
and still be friends.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
That's the biggest thing that we have lost, I think
in society. And I think that honestly, social media is
probably the biggest cause because there you go for hot takes.
You don't go for thoughtful discussion or anything else. But
we used to actually get together with people we didn't
even know whether we agreed or disagree with them, and
we would sit down and we'd have dinner together, and
we would discuss the world. We would discuss things that

(01:14:42):
were happening, and we probably get into heated debates, and
ninety five percent of the time, those people would still
be our friends. We'd still care for them, we'd still
pray for them, we would still know them, we would
not cancel them, we would not run them off. All
of those kinds of things that has been lost, and
that is something that I pray we can and recover.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Man, I got so many more thoughts, but I'll tell
you what. We do have to get to the Sager.
We'll come back. We'll have plenty of much lighter stuff.
It was a busy day in college baseball, college softball,
and Tosager has thoughts on pretty much everything that you
missed in sports today.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Disager will join us next. This is Fox Sports Radio.
Welcome back, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Fox Sports Radio er tors Jason Martin broadcasting live from
the tyreq dot Com studios. One quick comment from last segment,
Brendan tweets in I could partially relate to Harrison Bucker.
I had to defend my faith in principles against people
who are and always have been, trying to get me
to join a crowd. I'd rather be in poverty and
happy than be rich and miserable. I just give credit

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to Harrison Bucker. I mean, I know, I mean, he
shouldn't be saying stuff he doesn't believe, but it would
have been easy to kind of run back some of
those comments under the fire that he was. Credit to
him for standing by his beliefs, and credit to Patrick Mahomes,
Andy Reid and others for his back. All right, with
that said, much lighter note, let's toss it over the
news desk. The Saga has his extended update. Ma man,

(01:16:07):
what do you got? Well, we'll get to other sports news.
But the story is not at all on a like note,
and it probably involves a golfer that none of us
have heard of. But a key story from today that
golfer Grayson Murray died this morning at the age of
thirty and no details were given. But this is a
guy who gave an interview to golf dot Com for example,
in the last year and said, there are days.

Speaker 7 (01:16:29):
When I didn't want to get out of bed. I
just thought I was a failure. I always looked at
myself as a failure. I thought I had a lot
of talent. That was just a waste of talent. Murray
had spoken about mental health in the past. He also
said he had stopped drinking last year. Yesterday, he withdrew
from the event in Fort Worth. Illness was cited. He
had opened this season on the PGA Tour with a

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victory at the tournament in Hawaii in a playoff that
got him into the top fifty in the world rankings.
He made his master's debut this year and made the cut.
Murray tied for forty third place at the PGA Championship
just last week. He would have been in next month's
US Open. He grew up in North Carolina or in
the Arnold Palmer Scholarship at Wake Forest, his first of
three colleges. Let me just say, if you're going through

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any of this, talk to somebody. It's twenty twenty four.
There's no excuse not to verbalized national helpline out there.
For example, it's one eight hundred sixty six ' to
two help one eight hundred sixty six to two help
but Grayson Murray passing away this morning in Fort Worth
at the age of thirty. At Colonial, Davis Riley leads

(01:17:34):
by four stroke. Scottie Scheffler shot sixty three to move
up to second place. NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is
Sunday night on Fox TV from Charlotte, with the temperature
near ninety there. Ty Gibbs earned his first career poll.
He's twenty one years old. Chase Elliott one Today's Infinity race.
Ty Gibbs started from the poll in that race and
finished ninth. The Indy five hundred is scheduled for tomorrow.

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Thunderstorms are expected there. The race is consit official after
one hundred and one of the two hundred laps are completed,
so we'll see if that happens. Boston Celtics lead three
games to none in the East Finals after the comeback
win at Indiana. Now Andrew Nemhart had a great game.
Tyrese Haliburton was out, but the Pacers, one of the

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top scoring teams we've seen, held to one eleven, one
fourteen to one eleven. They had averaged one hundred and
twenty three points per game in the regular season, not
only tops this year in the league, but top ten
all time at one twenty three a game in the
history of the league. But Tyrese Haliburton, with his strained
hamstring was out for tonight at least, and he had
missed ten games in January with this same injury. So

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they're down three to zero. They're hosting Game four against
the Celtics Monday night on the holiday. If there's a
Game five, it's Wednesday back at Boston. But after these
conference finals, regardless of short or long series, the NBA
Finals are not due to start until June the sixth.
Dallas leads the Western Conference Finals two games to none.
He'll go up against Minnesota with Game three Dallas on

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Sunday night. Dallas will host Game four on Tuesday night.
And you guys mentioned WNBA earlier. Caitlin Clark's Indiana team
one and six after losing badly at Champion in Vegas
ninety nine eighty. She had eight points, seven assists, six turnovers.
Seattle at home ripped a Washington team that is oh
and six one oh one sixty nine. The final and

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the late night game had Dallas winning at Phoenix one
oh seven ninety two despite twenty eight points from Diana Tarassi.
Erika Agunbawally at a Notre Dame had forty points for
the winners. There was a TV game today where Minnesota
beat a New York team that had been four and one.
Connecticut's five and zero had won at Chicago tonight. And
in baseball, the Yankees truly are the Bronx Bombers this weekend.

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Not at a home run ballpark in San Diego, but
they had four homers last night against you. Darvish won
eight nothing. Aaron Judge homers for a fourth straight game.
Tonight they won four to one at San Diego. Yankees
have won eleven of their last thirteen games.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Thank you very much to Seger Saga. Will be with
us for another hour erin Tours. Jason Martin taking you
up till two am Eastern time. Bernie Fredo is back
to follow us. But we got plenty more to get
to starting with Game three Eastern Conference Finals Boston beats Indy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Is back at two a m. Eastern time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Go back to Saturday Night, the Big One in Indianapolis.
We've talked about it a lot throughout the show. By
the way, if you've missed any of the commentary, make
sure to go back and download. The podcast will be
available shortly after the show. Boston Celtics win one, fourteen
to one to eleven against the Indiana Pacers. Pacers really
were in pretty good shape in this one. They were

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up by twelve and a half, They were up by
nine going into the fourth quarter. But as we discussed
an hour one j Mark, combination of bad shots, combination
of turnovers, combination of no tyrese Haliburton, who was out
of this game with a hamstring injury. The Pacers just
could not make enough plays, and credit to the Boston

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Celtics who did the exact opposite, made the plays needed
to win. They get the victory ceiling Game three in Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Yeah. Great, it was a great effort by the Pacers.
They just they didn't have enough at the end that
they played an incredible first half and then they had
forty two points in the second. Now it wasn't all
their ineptitude. Boston turned the defensive intensity up about fifty
thousand percent, and there was again about a two or
three minute stretch where it felt like every time down

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the floor the Pacers lost the ball, whether it was
blocked four or five possessions in a row, whether it
was just one where they made a bad pass and
fumbled it away, or it was a steal. It ended
up going the other way, and the guys in Green
started making shots and get a little bit physical down
low and really making big threes as well, and at

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some point there needed to be somebody to kind of
stop the bleeding. And Nemhar did come back alive in
the fourth quarter after kind of not doing much in
the thirty had twenty three in the first half, and
then didn't do almost anything in the third quarter and
then ended up having a solid fourth quarter. They just
didn't have enough. When the momentum turned in the second half,
the Celtics felt it. You could just you could feel

(01:22:57):
it coming. When it was ten points, it felt like, oh okay, well,
Boss is gonna win a game because it's what was
supposed to happen. And as it gets closer to happening,
the team that's trying to hold it off is like,
oh no, we're not gonna blow this, and then they
blew it. And that's that's just how it went down.
Boston's the better team. You took the best player off

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the Indiana Pacers. Everybody else gave you as much as
they had, and they still came up three point short.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Boston Celtics take Game three.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Couple couple follow up thoughts here, Jason First of all
Game four, obviously Memorial Day Indianapolis. I would assume that
if Tyrese Haliburton isn't able to go tonight, he probably
will not be able to go. Hamstrings are kind of
one of those injuries that linger Celtics could close this
thing out pretty quickly here. Now, obviously we'll talk a

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little bit about the Tea Wolves and the MAVs here
in a moment. Tell me if you disagree, But I
would think that that I think that series goes at
least five, maybe six games. I think it goes at
I take it back, I think it goes six games
at least, maybe even to a game seven. So Celtics
could be looking at quite a bit of extended time off.

(01:24:12):
Good thing back, And I don't want to put the
cart before the horse, but they're going to beat Indianapolis.
Maybe it's in four, maybe it's in five. But this
series is going to be over pretty quick. Dumb question.
Does that matter to you? Does that not matter to
you that the Celtics could realistically be looking at like
a week off before the start of the finals.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
I don't know. I don't know if there's a rust
factor or not. I don't know how fast the Western
Conference Finals gets done as well, and then it's kind
of both teams playing that same way. I don't know
how tired the Celtics players are. It is going to
give Porzingis a little bit more of a rest, like
if he doesn't have to come back at all in
this series, and they're able to bring him into the finals,

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you run the risk of messing with the chemistry that's
gotten you to the finals. But obviously, if you have
a chance to put him back out there, he gives
you another horror to go against either Minnesota or Dallas.
So I don't know whether or not that's too much
time off. I think they're gonna get it one way
or the other. It feels to me like this is
a sweep. You had a chance, if you're Indiana to
win game one. You somehow allowed Jalen Brown to take

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that three when you shouldn't have. And I don't even
mean foul them. I mean Carlisle said, you know, I
made the mistake. I should have made sure this happened.
I should have called a time out. We should have
you know, a bit smarter on the inbounds, all these
kinds of things. Well, I will say this at the
end of the game. Even though tonight in game three,
they got a decent look, they got an open look.

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I was all surprised it was Nemhrd that was inbounding
the ball. Yeah, seemed like it should have been somebody else.
So neim hard pot because he was the guy that
was hottest in the game. He was the guy that
was doing everything for you. I would have liked at
least to have tried to set up something for him
as opposed to him being the inbounder, because you didn't
have the time to get the basketball back to him.
Whoever caught it probably was gonna be the one that

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had to take the shot. I question whether or not
Nemarch have done that. But irrespective of that, one in
three you kind of had and you lost both. So
I feel like this is four games and out, and
then you look at the Celtics. I just we're gonna
find out is there any Russ We won't know until
game one. It's probably gonna be good for some of
their bodies because they have been going every other night

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now for a few weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Yeah, Game one of the of the NBA Finals will
be Game one of the NBA Finals will be June sixth,
So if Boston does sweep the Indiana Pacers, they'd be
looking at really about ten days because obviously Monday will
be the twenty seventh, and then they would not play
again until June sixth. But yeah, I'm with you first

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of all as far as the rest versus Russ thing.
You know, I'll just be curious. It's not really a
rest conversation to be Jason, it's to me just how
hard have they been pushed? Because I think, you know,
it's crazy, like it's not crazy, but we can You
don't have to be the biggest basketball fan in the
world to just see there is just a different level

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when you tune into these Western Conference playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
And it's not even just the finals. I mean Dallas, okse.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
You know, Dallas wins in I think six, but a
lot of those games were back and forth, could have
gone either way. It might have been five. Obviously, Denver
Minnesota goes a full seven games Minnesota, I don't know.
It's just I think that's the more interesting thing to
me is it's almost like a you know, like a
Gonzaga in the NCAA tournament where it's like, you know,

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during the regular season, like did they get tested enough?

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
You know, and and it's it sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Silly, but you look at the the Boston Celtics, I mean, listen,
Miami Heat five game series, no Jimmy Butler for most
of it, you know, pretty pretty easy convincing win. Uh
you beat you beat Cleveland in five in a series
where Donovan Mitchell misses a few games, you lose Game two,

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you win the final three this series, you're probably gonna
sweep Tyrese Alliburton's not out. It's like, that's what it is,
more than anything else is It's like it just doesn't
feel like they've had to hit that fourth or fifth
gear in these playoffs. And I will be curious the
difference because whoever wins the West, and I think it's
obviously I don't even think it's just trending towards Dallas

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right now. I think there will be a different level
of intensity come to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's right. I do think
there is something to the idea that Boston has not
been like challenged the way they'd be challenged in the West.
I do think maybe we underestimate how offensively talented the
Indiana Pacers are. They've been able to score all year long,
so Boston has been challenged when it comes to what
their defense can do. Now it's a different animal when

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you get into the West and you've got two guys
with Dallas, they can get their shot anytime they want
it off their own dribble. They don't have to be
set up for it. They can get their own shot.
And then you look at Minnesota, and that's the team
that you don't want to get to the finals because
the one thing you don't want is Anthony Edwards to
get about a week off that if he could, if

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they could somehow win the series in six, which I
mean it's not gonna happen, But if they were to
win the series in six and then you still have
four or five days before you get to the finals
or whatever it would be, then you know, then you
have a different discussion there, because Edwards when he's really firing,
is just absolutely frightening. I would love to see what

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Boston does with them. But I just believe in my
heart of hearts that the one team that could have
beaten the Celtics got beaten by the t Wolves in
the last round. I think outside of Denver, I think
Boston's gonna win it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Okay, all right, I was gonna say, yeah, No, I
think Denver is the one that would give them the
most trouble. I don't think that they're unbeatable by any
stretch if either Minnesota or Dallas does get there, but
it'll be interesting I mean, it's just they just really
haven't been tested. I think it'll be a different level
of intensity come those NBA Finals, and I know they've
been there before and it's not to diminish them, but

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they just really haven't been challenged in these playoffs and
a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Things go the way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Is there any concern from your perspective on this, really quick?

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Is that you lose game.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
You lose a home playoff game to the Miami Heat
in round one, No, Jimmy Butler, you lose a home
playoff game to Cleveland. You could have and probably should
have lost tonight or Saturday night to Indiana without their
all star Tyres Haliburn. Does it worry you at all
the idea of the fact that the Celtics do seem

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to play down to the competition sometimes or is that
just the nature of playing seven game series over the
course of the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Well, I mean it would worry me, but for the
fact that the competition is not gonna be somebody to
play down to anymore. So if that were the argument,
then I would be fine if I was a Celtics fan,
because you're not going to play down to Dallas or
down to Minnesota because there's no down to them really,
I mean maybe one degree or something like that at best.

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If you believe the Celtics are the best team in
the league, it would it worried me more and it
will cost them. Denver had way too many games in
that series with Minnesota where they started slow, and they
started slow in the first round of the playoffs as well.
It would bother me if Boston was coming out lethargic
in these games. But a lot of times they're not,
like there are just what you have seen. And this

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is kind of true across the NBA playoffs though, is
there's ebbs and flows where there's like ten to eleven minutes
where Boston's just not They just don't look like they're firing.
But then they find a way to get it back.
And great teams do that. I mean, we thought, I mean,
think about this Chiefs team that just won the Super Bowl.

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We were just waiting for them to get picked off
and they never did. Sure, even though they weren't necessarily
impressive all the time, when it came down to it,
they had the horses to win, and so we just
kept awaiting whether it was gonna be Baltimore or if
it's gonna be San Francisco, somebody's gonna get them because
this was the Mahomes Wasn't is good? They really now

(01:32:02):
do look like they feel the loss of Tyreek Hill.
Kelsey's all Taylor swifted out right now, like there's all
these things going on, you can get them. They were
still holding the trophy at the end. And I think
the same thing can be true with the Celtics. We
know how good they are at times you're just not
impressed by it, but when they have to flip the switch,

(01:32:22):
it seems like it's there for them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Interesting thoughts here. The Boston Celtics do take Game three
of the Eastern Conference Finals one fourteen, one eleven. Yes
it was close. Yes, Indiana had a chance to win.
They were up by nine going into the fourth quarter,
but the Celtics make the most plays late and they
get the victory. Fox Sports Radio eron towards Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the tyreck dot com studios when we

(01:32:47):
come back, talk a little bit about the Western Conference
Finals and answer the question that there may be no
answer to. Luka Doncic really annoying or just really genuinely
authentically himself will discuss that next Fox Sports Tratio Welcome
back everybody. Fox Sports Radio, Eric Towards Jason Martin, broadcasting

(01:33:11):
live from the Tyreck dot Com studios, spend a lot
of time talking Game three Eastern Conference Finals. The Boston
Celtics win one fourteen to one eleven. They take a
three to zero series lead, looking to close out the
series on Monday night in Indianapolis, Memorial Day Eve. The
Boston Celtics will be looking to advance to their second

(01:33:33):
NBA Finals in three seasons. They can sweep the Indiana
Pacers on Monday. Jason, let's switch gears. Let's go ahead
talk about the other series. Dallas goes up two to
zero on Friday Night, this after a Luka Doncic three
with under ten seconds to go over the outstretched arms

(01:33:56):
of Rudy Gobert after he almost put Rudy Gobert on
his But afterward we saw Luca yelling and screaming and
swearing and saying things inappropriate and uh, he's certainly an
interesting guy from the perspective that listen. I know every
star player likes to complain to the refs. I feel

(01:34:17):
like Luca does it more than anybody, like if there
was an efficiency stat for a number of plays relative
to complaining to the refs, I would say he's the
most efficient guy in the NBA, because it's like, there
is not a play down the court where he doesn't
end up at the fall line that he's not complaining
to the refs. And so I ask you, Jason, you
asked me, So I'm gonna ask you. You asked me

(01:34:38):
before the show, and this is a great question. So
I'm gonna ask you. Is Luka Doncic annoying or is
he just genuinely one hundred percent himself? I think that's
what you were kind of asking me, right, Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
Are you gonna answer that? Do you want me to answer?

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
I'll let you go first, Flori is yours?

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
I think answers yes. I mean, I think he's definitely annoying.
I don't think there's any doubt about that. If you're
not a MAVs fan, I bet most MAVs fans are like, Man,
I'm glad he plays for us, because I feel like
a lot of Golden State fans feel the same way
about Draymond Green. Probably at his height now, they're probably
annoyed by him. Either way, But like Luca's just the

(01:35:20):
one that kind of grinned and Barrett because you know,
if he's yours man, he's special. But he does have
that quality about him. But I don't think any of
it's inauthentic. I think that's it, Like there's no put
on here that's just too Luka doncach Is. He's a
crazy competitor. He whinds a lot, complains a lot, screams

(01:35:41):
a lot. He just does irritating things. It's one of
the things that makes him so great, honestly, because I
think without it, some of that edge is lost. I
think that he gets under other players skin the same
way that Rodman did, the same way that Draymond has,
the same way that Charles bark He did. He has

(01:36:02):
that when you marry that to the kind of talent
that he has. That's why he's so dangerous and so deadly,
is that he is this perfect combination of excellence on
the court to go with this attitude that just makes
you want to knock him into the dirt, but at
the same time you can't because he's so good. And

(01:36:23):
I think that's what makes him so unique and so
special is because there's only a handful of guys in
history that have that. I mean, like Durant wasn't annoying
on the floor as great as he was to watch.
Steph Curry, he is annoying with what he does was
his mouthpiece in my opinion, it always has been. But
in generally Steph's not annoying to watch, But there have been.

(01:36:44):
You know, there's a lot of guys that are really,
really good that don't have that quality. He's got both.
He is a super irritating guy, but he's real, Like
I think everything about him is exactly like he's you
think about Dirkys same team. Dirk was all world talent.
Dirk's one of the most likable guys you could ever find,

(01:37:05):
Like I mean even watch him posts career, like the
smiles and just the way he conducts himself and carries
himself in it, Like Dirk's just a fun dude. Luka
Doncic is incredibly polarizing. I don't think Dirk ever was.
But I don't think that either one of them are
untrue to who they are. I just think that's who
Dirk is and I think this is who Luca is.
So I think the answer is both. I think that

(01:37:26):
he is incredibly irritating and I think he is real. Yeah, Dirk,
the only thing he was polarizing was more like, is
he good enough to win you a championship? Right right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Best player?

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Because there was the year I think he won the
MVP and he got knocked out in the first round
of the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
So I think I kind of agree with you on Luca.
Is that. One thing about me is I.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Do respect guys that are genuinely true to themselves, even
if it isn't cookie cutter. We obviously talked about that
a little bit right about an hour ago with Harrison Bucker.
He said what he said, he didn't back down from
what he said. He's good by it, and I think,
you know, we need more of that. And I think
it applies to coaches. You know a coach that I
think gets under a lot of people's skin that I

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enjoy Dabo Sweeney because he tells it, like it how
he feels all the time. Kim Maulk's another one, tells
it how how she feels all the time. And so
if Luca is going to be And the other thing
is I think sometimes guys fake the emotion, the excitement
the whatever, and I don't think he does.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
I think that's who he is.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
To your point, I think he does use you know,
I don't know if you'd call you want to call
it slights, because I don't think anybody's really doubted him
since basically his rookie year. But I do think, you know,
he uses stuff in game to motivate himself. But he does,
you know, listening, he obviously is a phenomenal player. He's

(01:38:51):
killing it, and like when he's screaming, I think it's
genuinely because he's either fired up or to fire himself up.
I don't think it's like some incredibly insincere thing. And
so I guess I'm kind of just repeating what you said. Jason,
to be perfectly honest, is like I, I, you know,

(01:39:13):
I am annoyed by the whining two officials, Like I
just find it a little bit exhausting. It's I mean,
certainly there's there's plays in every game that could go
either way that you're allowed to get frustrated about. It
feels like every call that doesn't go his way, he's
upset about it. And then, oh, by the way, even
when the calls go in his favor, he's basically complaining
on the way to the foul line. The whistle wasn't

(01:39:34):
called sooner, and so it's like that part does annoy me.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
But when he's yelling and screaming in.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Rudy Gobert's face, I don't think it's like an insincere
I'm being like a fake tough guy emotion or fake
emotional guy. I just think that's kind of who he is. Yeah,
I'm I think that's right. I just I think that
I think it's unrestrained emotion. And look, I think the
same thing is true of Draymond Green. Like I don't

(01:40:00):
Errymond Green to put on.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Because I think that at this point he probably would
have pulled back on it a little bit because of
how it has cost his team. You know, he knows
that it has cost his team at times. I just
think it's just part and parcel of who Draymond Green
is is You're going to get some of that and
you're gonna get some of the other. I think the
same thing's true Luca. I just think that those are
I think Luka Dancic is genuinely irritating as heck. Like

(01:40:24):
that's it's just the way it is. But he's great
for basketball because it's it's fun to watch him. Whether
you love him or hate him, he has that quality
about him. There are guys like that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
I mean, what about him irritating just so curiousity the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
Foul stuff or what the fact the whining and the
just the kind of like it's cool to be competitive,
but the stuff after the go Bear thing was like,
I mean, was that necessary? Not necessarily? And I do
think that there has always kind of been this sort
of arrogance about him that's a little off putting. I

(01:40:59):
think even since he was very very young. I do
think that there was at least at a time when
it looked like does he own a gym membership anywhere? Sure,
I think he's in better shape now than he was
at some point, but I think that was a knock
to It's like, how seriously has he taken this? Is
he just resting on the laurels of how talented he
is and not putting in the work. I don't think

(01:41:20):
that's a fairer criticism, but I do think it was
a criticism at one point, so I think maybe that's
that's a thought.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Also, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Think we're in agreement on this one is he's certainly
an interesting character, and certainly, you know, I think this
conversation is going to continue because to the conversation that
we've had throughout this show and even throughout this hour.
I don't think the Dallas Mavericks are going anywhere anytime soon.
As they are up two to zero in the Western
Conference Finals, we're going.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
To go up three to zero on Sunday night.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Fox Sports Radio Air Tours, Jason Martin broadcasting that I
from the Tireck dot Com studios will come back one
more thought on the Dallas Mavericks and one guy who
actually hasn't been annoying, which is kind of interesting unto itself.
We'll discuss that next. Before we do, though, toss it
over the news desk to Sega.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
What is trending?

Speaker 7 (01:42:10):
Dallas not only hosting the Game three Sunday night, but
hosting Game four of the West Finals on Tuesday night.
Monday night, on the holiday, the Pacers will be hosting
Game four the East Finals, and that might end their season.
Tyrese Halliburton, their star guard with his strained hamstring, was
out for tonight. At least. They blew an eighteen point
lead and lost at home to one seed Boston one
fourteen one eleven. Now Haliburton had left in the third

(01:42:34):
quarter last game injury of the hamstrings, same as he
suffered in January. A guy who led the league in
assists regular season, Andrew Nemhard, the Pacers did step in
with thirty two points, nine assists. The rest of the
team tonight from three point range was one of fifteen.
TJ McConnell twenty three points off the bench. Boston was

(01:42:54):
down eighteen late second quarter. They were down twelve points
at the half, and then down eighteen again mid third quarter,
and still won the game to go up three games
to none in the East Finals. Jason Tatum thirty six points,
ten rebounds, eight assists and no turnovers. The Celtics bench
had four points. Starters had one hundred and ten. Al

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Horford with twenty three points from three point range, the
big Man was seven of twelve among the WNBA games.
Defending champion in Las Vegas whipped Indiana ninety nine eighty
the fever one and six rookie Caitlin Clark eight points,
seven assists, six turnovers. In the NHL, Dallas at home,
one seed in the West, beat Edmonton three to one.
That series tied at a game apiece. Game three Monday

(01:43:39):
night at Edmonton. NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday
Night on Fox TV from Charlotte. Ty Gibbs earned his
first career Poll. Chase Elliott won today's Infinity Race. The
INNDY five hundred is scheduled for tomorrow. Thunderstorms are expected there.
In college softball, number one ranked Texas force to Game
three tomorrow, beating Texas A and M and Extras nine
to eight in nine innings. Alabama won in fourteen innings

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at Tennessee three to two to stay alive. Oklahoma State
advanced again to Major League Baseball. The Cleveland Guardians have
won eight games in a row. They won four to
three at the Angels tonight, Jose Ramirez a two run homer.
All the scoring came in the third inning. Philadelphia with
six runs in the top of the ninth one at
Colorado eight to four, Bryce Harper with a late three
run homer. This from Stad's inc. So far in this

(01:44:25):
Major League Baseball season, there have been four instances where
a team was leading in the ninth inning or later
only to give up at least five runs in that
inning and surrender the lead. The Colorako Rockies are the
team that have done that all four times, including tonight.
The Phillies have won or had won twenty nine of
thirty five until the eleven inning lost there. Last night,

(01:44:48):
they got a ninth inning come back to win Tonight.
Yankees have won four straight, one four to one at
San Diego as the Padre offense was four for thirty one.
Aaron Judge homerd for a fourth straight game. Yankees have
won on eleven of thirteen and on fas one. Arizona
edge Miami three to two. Jordan Montgomery, you'd had an
ERA of about five, got the win for Arizona with

(01:45:09):
six innings of work. The Marlins last night got a
complete game shutout from Braxton Garrett on only ninety five pitches.
Saint Louis won its fourth game in a row, Dodgers
lost their fourth straight, Kansas City won its eighth in
a row, Minnesota won its fourth straight, and the Giants
won their fourth straight, a ten inning win at the
Mets seven to two. Giants tied it with a run
in the top of the ninth off Closer Edwin Diaz,

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whose ERA is up to five point four to zero.
The Mets offense went four for thirty five with fourteen strikeouts.
Mets have lost five in a row, but this to
finish it up, we had baseball in Cooperstown, New York
today the Hall of Fame East West Classic. Nine Negro
League teams were honors. Guys were wearing various Negro League
jerseys wool and in the sixth inning exhibition, Ryan Howard

(01:45:56):
with a three run homer in his East team won
five four. He was named player of the game. You
had thirty former players on the field. It sold out
doubled ay field. Curtis Granderson with an early home run
in this game. Even Money Davis got into this game,
the Little League World Series hero from a decade ago.
Apparently she arrived late last night in Cooperstown because she

(01:46:19):
had graduate courses all week at Columbia University. But she
made a catch in center field to end one of
the innings as a sub. And before the game they
had a home run derby won by Adam Jones over
Prince Fielder. Back to you, thank you very much, to Sager.
To Sager, you'll be back on Sunday. I assume with the.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Mark Willard and Kyle Rudolph and Chris Plank. Plank's got
to be in, right, I know, the Softball World Series.

Speaker 7 (01:46:46):
Oh, he's working even harder now, by the way, it's
a lot of Ephraim now that the NFL season is over.
But yeah, looking for In fact, Chris has even subbed
some overnights in the last couple Yea, he was well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
He was in for Bernie Fratta, who of course is
following us. Bernie was away last weekend. By the way, Bernie,
I know you're listening. Hope you had a great trip.
Bernie sent me some pictures this morning. I forgot to respond.
But Fox Sports Radio er Tours, Jason Martin, thank you
to Seger, to Sega again. We'll be back with Plank
and Arnie amongst others on Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Jmart really quick.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
You know, we were talking about how sort of annoying
you know, Luka Doncic can be.

Speaker 3 (01:47:22):
You know who hasn't been annoying at all this year?

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
Oh? I do, as a matter of fact, Derek Lively. No,
I'm just hearing he hasn't been either. Well, his hair depends.
I mean, it's polarizing, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
But now in all seriousness, we're talking about Kyrie Irving.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
Listen. I know you and I have touched on this.
I know that probably most shows on this network have.
You know, Listen, I don't know what has gone on
with Kyrie Irving. I don't know if this is just
natural maturity. I don't know if he's at a different
point in his career. I don't know if it's something
that Luka Doncic or Jason Kidd has done with him

(01:47:59):
behind the scenes. Just you know, no one has ever
questioned this guy's talent.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
Nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
You know, he's really, honestly one of the most gifted
I don't think it's hyperbole, say, relative to his size
and what he can do, one of the most gifted
players to ever step on a basketball court. But we
also know that there has been a lot of other
stuff that has come with him. You know, twenty twenty
one season plays fifty four games, twenty two season plays

(01:48:29):
twenty nine games. I know some of it is injury,
but you know, there's off the court stuff. There's fighting
with management. There's obviously commentary and tweets and this and
that about some stuff that he probably should have been
tweeting about. But Kyrie has been all about ball man.
He's you know, in these playoffs has been phenomenal. He

(01:48:51):
was obviously great in Game one, and you know it's
nice to just be able to enjoy the basketball player
without all this stuff going on off the court.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
Absolutely right. I mean, he did an interview after game one,
Game one, yeah, and they asked him questions about, you know,
when did you realize you needed to be a leader
and what's your mindset, and basically he was saying, you know,
I want to make sure that I put Luca in
a position to succeed. And Luca kind of said similar

(01:49:23):
things after Game two. It's just like, we don't really
care which one of us or who it is. We
just want to win the games. And you hear this
stuff from Kyrie Irving and he says he realized during
the offseason, after whatever that was at the end of
last year with Dallas, that he could be a leader,
that he was somebody that, you know, if he wanted

(01:49:43):
to take that role, it was there for him. And
so like just listening to him, he just looked like
he was in a better place. He just looked like
he was in a spot where he recognizes this moment
for what it is. It is an opportunity to change
the perception of you as a not as an on

(01:50:05):
court athlete, because we know how great he is, but
as a like, as a human being, as a man,
as an athlete, as a teammate especially, you have an
opportunity to change how people perceive you. You have an
opportunity right now to change kind of the condition of
your legacy and what it means. And if you can
go win one without Lebron James, there's something to be

(01:50:27):
said for that too, and I think Kyrie understands that.
But this is not something any of us would have
bet on. But it's great to watch because when this
dude's just playing basketball, man, he's fun to watch, Like
it's great to have him around, like this version of him.
I'm all for this, Like this has been. I am
so thrilled that he has proved all of us wrong

(01:50:49):
and found a way to make this whole thing work.
Because it's been. It's been a joy to watch. It
really has no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Yeah, no, And you know, I'm just curious if you know,
he's thirty two years old right now, and I will say, like,
you know, I mean, we got to remember when he
demanded that trade from Brooklyn last year, and that was
you know, again, that's a perfect example where he's not
going to get his new contract, Joe said, kind of
drew his line in the sand and said, like, you know,

(01:51:15):
we'll talk after the season. I'm not promising anything right now.
Guy basically demanded a trade. And by the way, I
always think this is worth noting, like demanded a trade
when the team was in fourth place in the standings,
and he just basically said, don't care, trade me. I
want to get paid. And so you know, we can't
dismiss whatever. But I do wonder if you know, thirty

(01:51:37):
two years old, you know, really I could be wrong,
but I don't. I don't get the sense that when
he was traded last year there was a really robust
market for him. And I think the last thing is,
you know, I mean, this could be the best last chance.
I mean, I guess you know, if you screw this up,
obviously there's not too many Luka Doncic's around you. You've

(01:51:59):
been blessed enough to play with Lebron, you asked out
of that, You've been blessed enough to play with KD.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
He asked out of that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
I don't know what it is because a year ago
he basically was playing with KD and he didn't care,
he wanted out. And now a year later, you know,
he's getting along great with Luca and it doesn't matter why.
But I'll just wrap my portion of this Jason by saying,
I give him credit because he clearly, at least this season,
is a change man. It's been fun, like I said,

(01:52:25):
to focus on the basketball, because I really do believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
I don't think it's hyperberly.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
I think he's one of the most gifted players to
ever play the game of basketball, and it's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
To just watch him focus on it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
It really is so goot feeling if he had gone
to the Lakers, would we be having this same conversation
zero percent?

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
And I don't think it's really a hymn thing. I
just think there's just so much noise with Lebron.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
I agree with you. I thought that's where you would go,
and I'm one hundred percent with you. I was just
I don't think we talked about enough. He could have
gone in a lot of other places where this doesn't happen.
I think he actually found this situation where he likes
the roll he's in, he likes this guy that he's
next to that he can trust, Like there's there's something
about this that works. And I also look credit Jason Kidd,

(01:53:11):
Like Jason Kidd has really done a good job with
kind of the potential ego issues on that team. They
don't seem to be an issue, like and then it
really some of that has to be him zeroed out
and really quickly, and we got to get to break here.
But but credit to the front office as well.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
You know, PJ. Washington was a guy acquired at the deadline.
Great pickup. Great pickup. Derek Lively.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
By the way, I remember us talking about this because
it happened the day before he went on air. But
if you remember, they could have made the play in
and basically tanked their their their final game last year
to protect a draft pick. They end up keeping it.
They get Derek Lively with it. So it's all worked
out and Dallas Maverick's now two games away from a

(01:53:57):
trip to the NBA Finals. Fox Sports Radio Ertards Jason
Martin broadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com studios.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
We'll come back.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
We'll preview Game three of the Western conference finals and
some other stuff from across the world of sports. This week,
this is Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports
Radio aeron towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the tyreck
dot Com studios. We are taking you up till two
am Eastern. Bernie Frado of The Bernie Frado Show will

(01:54:27):
follow us. Bernie was off last week traveling the globe.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
He is back.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Tonight, and you know he's got some thoughts on everything
going on in the world of sports.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
I feel like Bernie Fratto would be the kind of
guy that might have like a hot air balloon.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Good good, I mean nothing with surprising me with Bertie.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
He's got that Vegas money.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Yeah, Oh, he does have that Vegas money. Yeah, he
said it was I talked to him. I don't want
to spoil his show, but he said I think he
said the first time he's ever been to Europe. So
I thought that was pretty cool. Went to Paris and London,
among others. By the way, did get confirmation a tweet
from well never mind, this is from yesterday. We were
talking about the Pac twelve baseball tournament coming to a

(01:55:10):
close today Arizona with a walk off win I believe
that was the last ever Pack twelve sporting event. PAC
twelve Network, their last live, their last live, you know,
whatever you call it. Production was on Friday night for
the PAC twelve babs Arney.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
You can take credit for the fact that your Arizona Wildcats,
well on top put the lights out of the Back
twelve conference.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
They sure did Pack twelve rip.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
There is still a couple of baseball you know, their
teams are making the baseball tournament, so they'll be wearing
that PAC twelve patch. But tonight was obviously the last
day of the you know, last official league event. Jason,
really quick, you know, we only got a couple of
minutes left here. Do you have any big takes from
the court case this week that basically ensures that start

(01:56:00):
in twenty twenty five, college athletes will be paid by
the universities in which they attend.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
I just kind of feel like this was inevitable, Like
eventually it wasn't just going to be the collectives because
we already knew the collectives were associated with the universities anyway,
Like there was just there was way too much and
once the door is open, once the monopoly is broken,
and fair trade and all the other nuances and details

(01:56:27):
of everything is there, Like I don't know when it stops,
Like I don't know what stops this. For the NC
double A, I don't know what. Like, they're trying to
hold onto any power they can, so they take this
settlement because they're afraid the other, the next one might
be even bigger, so they're trying to kind of cut
this off of the pass and stop it. To some degree,
I don't have a giant like I feel like we're

(01:56:48):
going to talk about this over and over and over
and over and over again, and right now I'm just
kind of collecting thoughts and reading a bunch of articles
and just kind of rating myself with it enough that
I will have an opinion when the time comes. I
think right now it's just kind of it just feels
like this is what we've been building to anyway, and

(01:57:11):
it's too early to see exactly what all the ramifications are.
I will say that if you are an an athlete
in an Olympic sport, look out, because there are going
to be some programs that get shut down because the
revenue sharing is going to be a massive problem. It's
going to be a massive discussion and there's gonna be
a lot of hand ringing about the fact that the

(01:57:33):
sports that actually make money are going to be the
ones that get the lion's share of this.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
Yeah, and I think that's really honestly, my only takeaway,
you know, I saw the story and I knew we'd
probably talk about it. My only real takeaway is I
think there's probably people that don't pay a ton of
attention that think that, you know, this is like the
finish line and like, oh, we're here, everybody's getting paid.
But it's like there's still a lot to figure out.

(01:57:58):
To your point, is it only revenue sports? Do does
every athlete get at least a little bit of a cut?
How is it tiered? You know, is it for veterans
first freshmen to get the least? Collectives will still be
involved because there are still name, image likeness opportunities. What
do we do with the transfer portal? Do we one
day get to employment status? So it's a it's a

(01:58:18):
it's a it's where we were headed. But I don't
think this is the finish line that a lot of
people think. We do really quickly. We got about a
minute left Game three Sunday night, Minnesota traveling to Dallas
down oh two.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Does Minnesota get a win?

Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
Yes, I think they do. I think getting away from
their own building, actually the pressure is gonna be off
a little bit. I think they're gonna play a little
bit freer. Uh. And just I feel like some of
the shots that have been missing for a couple guys
are going to start falling for them. I think two
to one is inevitable, even though I do think Dallas
is probably gonna win the series.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
Yeah, And I mean, you look at this series.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
You know, Minnesota a one oh nine, one o eight,
or excuse me, Dallas a one point win last night
a three point win for Dallas which could have gone
either way in Game one really quickly, I think I
know the answer. Game four, Monday Night Indie Indie hosting Boston.

Speaker 3 (01:59:07):
Does Boston close things out?

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
Yeah? I think so. I think this was the last
best shot for Indiana to get one and maybe turn
this into a series. I just I think that I
think this one probably took all their heart out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
I agree, and I you know, I said this earlier
in the show, but hamstrings Tyres Haliburton was out with
a hamstring. That's not something that just gets magically fixed
in two days.

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
We gotta get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
I want to thank the crew, Mary Mack on the board,
producer Shay Steve Desager on the updates for my partner
Jason Martin.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
I'm Aaron Torres.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
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