Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk Mavs - Celtics and more!

Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk about the Celtics chances to win the NBA Finals, some vindication for a talking head, a discovery that may help a Packers wide receiver stay on the field, the Chicago Bears land on HBO’s Hard Knocks, the most interesting & least interesting teams in the NFL offseason, the change in the college sports landscape, and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports. Oh, good morning everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hope your Saturday is off to a fantastic start. You know,
good morning fellas, good morning. Thinking right before the show started.
I'm a big fan of when unnecessary negativity gets blown
out of the water.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'll give you an example. Remember when this is back
in the day, but a lot of people said, hey,
John Elway, he can't win at all, and then he
won back to back Super Bowls. The same things were
said about Michael.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Jordan, like he just can't win it all.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
The list goes on and on, And I was thinking
about the Boston Celtics as far as this is concerned,
right where for all the negativity, you can't trust this team.
The East is so easy, look at their path. The
Celtics should be blowing out all these injured teams. For
all the noise, the Celtics are still healthy favorites against

(01:00):
the MAVs to win the NBA Finals. Boston is favored
by six and a half in Game one. They're minus
two twenty five to win the series. That means if
you're backing Boston, you would have to risk two hundred
and twenty five dollars just to win one hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's how healthy of a favorite they are.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
So I love all this noise in Vegas, and the
sports books are like, yeah, we're ignoring the noise.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
We just think they're better heading into this matchup.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's uh, it's the right way to be.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I think it's the right message to send.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Boston has a problem, though, and the problem is they
don't have believers because they haven't converted enough people to
believing what they think.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
They know in their own locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
And that's okay, because as long as there's strong enough
belief amongst you the twelve or fifteen people who have
a true impact on the outcome of these games when
they're going from you know, the Garden to Dallas and back,
it doesn't really matter. But what does matter is this
series and the outcome of this series, because it will

(02:10):
shift the paradigm one way or another if they win. Obviously,
like you just said, they'll dispel the myth that Boston
can't do it if they lose, though, Brian, because we
haven't seen this series play out yet, and we have
seen Boston get this far before and recently, then it
doesn't help them because getting to the Eastern Conference Final,

(02:34):
as we know, or winning it for that matter, isn't
isn't what people remember. You know, victors write the history books.
That's as true in world history as it is in
sports history. So Boston needs to win this series for
what you just said to be true. And I agree
with you on the outset. It looks like they're capable

(02:55):
and ready to. But this series has not played yet.
And we've been here before with the Celtics, not this
iteration of the Celtics, but with the franchise.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Well, great teams cover right seven and seven against the
spread in the playoffs, they failed to cover four of
their last five. And let's be honest, guys, I watched
that Pacers series and I ate some humble pie because
I thought the Pacers were gonna get at least a game,
and I bet a pretty big whopper of a price
like minus three fifty that the Pacers would not get swept.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Oh boy, oh boy, was I wrong? But what was
I wrong? Like?

Speaker 5 (03:33):
Was I wrong for my assessment of the series, which
was the Celtics don't have the killer instinct to really,
you know, put the hammer down. Well, they didn't cover
in three out of the four games, and in three
out of the four games at one point during the
game in Game one, in Game three, and in Game four,

(03:57):
the Pacers had a ninety plus percent win probability in
game And there were different parts of the game, most
of it obviously the second half.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Late in the second half.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
I think Game one was when they were up six
with like thirty seconds left and it goes over time.
In Game three it was another situation where they had
I think an eighteen point lead at one point in.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
The third quarter.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
So it hasn't been sunshines and rainbows, I understand, and
you're right, Brian. The rhetoric this seasons postseason has been
Boston's not good enough.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Whatever the reason why.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
It's porzingis injury, it's you know, Tatum is aloof it's
Jalen Brown's this, it's.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
This Missoula is that, whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
You're right, that's been the rhetoric is the Celtics are
not good enough. But here we are sweep in the
Eastern Conference Finals. Now the road's been incredibly easy, and
that's what we're gonna find out, Like this will be
this is the tightest of a number we've had with
the Celtics at home in a while, and they were
like a seven point favorite against the Nuggets earlier this year,

(05:02):
and now we're only laying six and a half against
the Mavericks. So I think there's a lot of people
in my area of the world here in the desert
that might think Boston might be a little undervalued, which
is just crazy considering where we've where we've come from.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Well, first thing, in a fair and just world, Rick
Carlyle owes you the money you lost.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
It was an insignificant amount of money it was.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
That wasn't the most I've ever mounted in one lost
in one bet, but it wasn't the least either man.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Game one of three. God, let's not foul. Let's see
if Jalen Brown can hit this corner three? Oh shoot
he did it turns out shot.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, this is This is one of the reasons why
I love Boston in this series is there has been
so much negativity. They've been heavily doubted, and yes, at
times they have looked bored or looked argic or apathetic,
and yeah that's true, but I'm not gonna absolve all

(06:05):
blame because it shouldn't have looked like that. They should
have looked like a hot knife through butter all the
time with the path that they faced with all these
injured players, and they just didn't that. Miami, no Jimmy Butler,
Donovan Mitchell missed a couple of games for the Cavs,
no Tyreese Halliburton for the last two games for the

(06:26):
Pacers in that series, and you still saw the Celtics
at times You're like, man, they should just be dominating.
But this is why I love them so much, is
because so many people feel that way, and the Celtics
they can't just absolve themselves from all this negativity. They
hear it, they know it, and now you can use

(06:49):
that as additional fuel.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
On the final stage.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
You're not coasting against Luca and Kyrie Irving and a
really talented team on this stage. Maybe Round one against
Miami with no Jimmy Butler when the heat shoot twenty
three threes or whatever it was in Game two, yeah
you could look a little apathetic. But I don't see

(07:13):
that happening at all on the final stage when all
these eyeballs are on them. I just don't see it.
And I think the negativity helps them as well.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Heading in so it doesn't matter how you win as
long as you win, and it doesn't matter how you
get there as long as you get there. And so
I'm a big believer in what the majority of what
you just said. Like Boston, maybe they don't win pretty,
but they win, and winning is an effective way, an
effective way to dispel whatever myths are out there about you. Look,

(07:47):
I remember now, this is before I was with the Patriots,
two years before I got drafted. They had that undefeated season,
and they romped the field in the postseason, and then
they get to the Giants and the Super Bowl, and
during the bye week, the Giants switched some things up
and they ended up beating the Pats seventeen to fourteen
in Glendel, Arizona. Now, the Giants, you could make the

(08:11):
argument that they deserve to be in that Super Bowl
a lot less so than the Patriots. This is a
nine win football team, if I'm remembering correctly, who got
hot late in the season, who entered as wild card
on the NFC side, and fought their way through the
bracket to get to the Pats, who were undefeated that season,

(08:32):
to finally beat them by getting to Tom Brady and
rattling his cage, and of course a little luck on
their side. David Tyree the catch off the helmet. We
know how that one went, But I reference that because
winning ugly is fine. It's fine as long as you're winning. Yeah,
So I agree with what you said, Jared. Great teams

(08:52):
cover and typically that's a great indicator of a team
that can handle success. But also, winning is the most
effective balm. It's the most effective salve, it's the most
effective medicine that if applied directly to the issue, it
doesn't matter how anything looks, it cures all. And so

(09:13):
the Celtics have effectively worked their way to this point.
Now I'm gonna say something I said at the start
of the postseason that I think probably remains true.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I think the West was more talented than the.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
East overall, So whoever emerges out of the West will
have been better tested against their opponents than whoever emerges
from the East.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
And I still feel that way.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
So Boston, for what it's worth, surviving and advancing at times,
not covering having some tricky moments against some of these
Eastern Conference teams, this is a whole different beast facing
the Dallas out of the Gauntlet, of the West.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Who do you think I was asked this question a
couple of days ago, and I wasn't one hundred percent
sure yet based on my answer. But now that we've
seen t Wolves, you know, get eliminated in the maps
efforts were in, I might reassess who do you think
is going to be the public's darling in this series?
Like because we're talking pretty you know, negatively about the Celtics, right,

(10:11):
Like national media has been pretty down on the Celtics, right,
but then you get this Kyrie story, and I think
that's gonna get played up a lot. But at the
end of the day, people are like, wow, Wow, Boston's
not as big of a favorite as they were in
in you know, these prior series. You know, now they're
like a reasonable game, Like they were like a fourteen
to fifteen point gad in some of these early games

(10:34):
at home, So no one was really you know, hot
and heavy on the Celtics, But now you can kind
of make a case.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
To bet them.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
So I still think Dallas will still get a lot
of love early, but like if Boston comes out Game
one and you know, smokes them like a shish kabab,
I mean, it's like the like the series, the series
vibe could tilt or could could switch very quickly. I
think I think Dallas Game one will be the public side.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
And then in game two it might change.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
You know, in the public reserves their right to change
their opinion very quickly based on game one. But my
guess is game one is Dallas gets most of the love.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
What do you guys think? No, I think so. Yeah,
I think you're right on that.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
It's a weird It's a good question because you know
as well as as we do that the favorites typically
get the public side.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, the public money, especially the finals. Yeah, but it's Boston,
ye yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
So I think it's going to be tilted toward Dallas
because of all the negativity and it's like I can
get six and a half points. I think a lot
of people will. That'll be their their way of thinking,
and they'll back Dallas early on. We'll see where it
goes from there. I just want to throw one other
thing out there. Yeah, guys, rich you were talking about
the Patriots, and it made me think of something. Okay,

(11:48):
I don't think we have nearly as much patience for
teams that win ugly in basketball compared to football.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Totally agree.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Think of the seven Patriots, they were undefeated, sixteen to zero,
maybe the most dominant regular season we've ever seen in
NFL history. What happened when the playoffs rolled around, they
snuck by Jacksonville, yep.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Thirty one to twenty.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
It was just wasn't a dominating performance by any means.
And then in the AFC Championship game against Philip Rivers
on a torn ACL, the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Won twenty one to twelve.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Was that the same game where Ladanian Tomlinson was on
the sideline correct for most of the game.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
He had a knee injury that was bothering him. Philip
played through a torn ACL that was surgically repaired before
the game, and Ladanian he couldn't go.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
He can go, Yeah, he had the warm up jacket
on the sideline. The Patriots won by nine points. So
the point is, you didn't hear a lot of I
don't know his Patriots team barely sneaking by Jacksonville in
the Chargers, I don't know if you can trust him.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
In the Super Bowl. It wasn't like that at all.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
And I think a lot of that has to do
with sure there was some undefeated mystique with the Patriots
and no one was panicking at the time heading into
that game. I get that, but I think it's the
nature of the sports where in football you win ugly,
it's like, eh, you won as long as you win
the game. In basketball, if you win ugly, and the

(13:24):
Celtics won a handful of games ugly in the Eastern
Conference playoffs, there are.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
No patients for any of that.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think basketball versus football, winning ugly is a different animal.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
And I think what the question was appropriate, Jared, and
your response to it, I think is accurate.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Brian, like Dallas are the darlings.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
And whether you look at the Kyrie story about how
he's really evolved into a wingman in the game, it's
almost like he had to go three hundred and sixty
degrees and revolve back to where he started, like he
started out at a new sphere.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Joke around, Kyrie.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
You don't like that, Yeah, yeah, I guess that's a
good point. Maybe I'll say he turned in a circle
instead of he didn't orbit anything.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Your dimensional spatial your spatial awareness there, richineally, Kyrie.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
If you're wondering what I meant by that, I meant
you walked in a circle.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I swear you didn't orbit anything. Anyways.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
The because if you look at this team, you have
Kyrie who went from playing Robin to Lebron wanted to
branch out on his own and it didn't work out
in a couple of different spots, and then he came
back to it. He said, now you know what, I'm
a wingman in this league, and that's just gonna have
to be okay, and I can still get my crumbs.
And he's doing a great job. With Dallas, Luca is

(14:43):
a star. I mean, if you look at the playoffs
leader in points, rebounds, assists, steals, field goals made, three
pointers made, and free throws made, there's one name and
that's Luka Doncic. So Dallas has the hype even though
they're the They're the dog with all the hype, and
people love to root for a dog with the hype.

(15:05):
And so it's like double trouble for Boston in terms
of the public narrative because it's Boston, Playoff Boston. Nobody
likes Playoff Boston. But then all of a sudden, you
have this little engine that could abudding star or superstar,
and Luka Doncic that we've been waiting to see have

(15:26):
his moment in this league. You have Kyrie, who's a
known quantity, who's returned back to public consciousness in a
positive way, and everyone hates Boston. So it's like, man,
it's the perfect storm for the Celtics. They're gonna have
to quiet the naysayers.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Well, Brian, to go back to your point about you
know basketball it being a little or like you can
win ugly in football, I think it reminds me of
my favorite George Carlin bit of all time.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Baseball versus football.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yeah, you guys are familiar with it, but you know,
you just plug in basketball set of baseball and it
was just charged Corland George Carly going back and forth saying.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh, baseball it's played on a diamond in a park.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Football is played in a grid iron in a stadium,
a soldier field. Like that's like, it's just like the
personality of the sport. I think is why we lend
ourselves to be to like be more open.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
To ugly football and basketball is a little bit.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
More athletic and a little more you know, wide open,
and it's like a it's it's like a dance party
on a court like it does feel that way. It's
almost like a it's almost like figure skating on on
on on a hard court because it's just so it's
just so much more you know, wide open of a
game than football, which is you know, play you know,
five yards ahead in a cloud of dustin you know,

(16:44):
move the ball, matriculit down on the field.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
And that's why I think we're okay with winning.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
Ugly and football it's an uglier sport, like basketball is
just a prettier sport. They're flying through the air, they're
making all these crazy dunks, they're shooting at thirty forty
feet and.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
The slash, the swish.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
So I think that's why you're seeing a little bit
more love for you know, those types of wins. But man,
I agree with you Rich, if if this is this
is this is the playoffs, man, just win, like as.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Long as you got a W next to your name.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
And if they're gonna raise a banner, if this is
gonna feed their their motivation and put that chip on
their shoulder, I think Joe Mizoula is fine with there
being an anti Celtics narrative. If anything, it makes it
their job easier because they are a massive favorite in
this series, but they don't feel like that because of
the rhetoric, and I think it's gonna make their job

(17:34):
a little bit easier. Frankly, I think the Celtics win
this series. Porzinka's coming back is gonna make their job
a little bit easier. We'll see how healthy he is,
but you know, getting him back in this particular moment,
getting the long break I think helps them in a sense.
Both teams kind of have the same break, so it's
not like one team is really rested and the other
team isn't. So I think everything's kind of coming up Celtics,

(17:56):
not only in this series, but in let's be honest,
the entire postseason, and there's been this like you know,
sleeping with the Lucky Rabbit's foot, like you know, completely
lodged you know where, and it just it just feels
like it's their years. So it's gonna be a fun series.
The Kyrie Nangle will be fun coming back to Boston,
but I think this.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
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safetyeruns First dot com Okay, so Austin Rivers is probably

(19:40):
a fan of this signing. Remember when Austin Rivers said, quote,
I can take thirty players right now in the NBA
and throw them in the NFL. You cannot take thirty
NFL players and put them in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
End quote.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Now, this is not an NBA player, but it's an
athlete that it's never played football in his life and
he just signed with the Buffalo Bills. His name is
Gable Steveson. He is a two time NCAA wrestling champ. Okay,
he has no football experience, he's never even worn cleats before,

(20:15):
and the Bills just signed the guy.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
So I can just picture Austin Rivers say.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
There you go, no previous experience, just he's an athlete.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
He'll figure it out. It's all good. Listen. First, thanks, First,
I think the Bills are smart. Why not.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
It's a cheap experiment. Maybe maybe it hits you know
mine as well. Buy low, hopefully sell high. So we'll
see if Gable Steveson can take to football. And although
there have been some success stories, and although there are
some NBA players, they could probably make it in the NFL.
To say I could take thirty guys right now and

(20:51):
put him in the NFL with a snap of a finger.
It's like, no, you can't. It's a lot more to
it than that. And just being a great athlete to
even make it in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, yeah, there is definitely a lot more than just
being a great athlete to make it in the NFL.
And I can tell you the reason why I know that,
because there are several guys who you wouldn't consider great
athletes who became great football players. Tom Brady, namely, nobody's
looking at Tom Brady and saying, now, that is the

(21:27):
steeple of athleticism. Seek that is peak male form. Tom
Brady was never the best athlete on the field. He's
the greatest football player of all time. It's because he
dominated his position. He had the exact intangibles he needed
to play a sport where you need to have position

(21:48):
specific in tangibles to be qualified as great at your position,
and Tom Brady had it. He had the brain and
the ability to compute things quickly. He had a good
enough armed to make all the throws requisite of a
great quarterback. He had accuracy, He had the ability to
keep his heartbeat low in highly stressful situations, end of

(22:12):
game situations.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
He had the.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Perseverance, regardless of what was going on in his personal life,
to overcome all of that and to go out there
and execute on the football field. He seemed, at least
during my time with New England and the time that
exceeded my time with New England, to always put football first.
Nothing got in the way of this pursuit, and he

(22:36):
did it for two decades.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
But he was never the best athlete out there.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
So the qualification to look at just athleticism and say
just because the NBA has good athletes means that any
of them can play in the NFL. It's a far
cry from actuality because you need so much more than
just athleticism to play in the NFL. Now, in terms
of and help me with the name again, it's Gable Stevenson.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Is that Steveson?

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Steve Steve Okay, Gable Steveson, He's a great wrestler, will
compute to the NFL. I don't know, but I did
play with a guy named Steve Neil.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Who was a two time Division one if I'm remembering correctly,
a two time Division one national champion out of cal State. Bakersfield.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Steve Neil played in the NFL after this extraordinary wrestling
career in college.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
What happened was he left college.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
And he started wrestling professionally, and he competed at worlds.
I think they call it. I'm unfamiliar with the wrestling world.
So he was the freestyle world champion. And this is
back in either the early two thousands or the late nineties.
But when I got to New England, Steve Neil was
already well into his NFL career. And the way it

(23:55):
started basically was back then the UFC was in its infancy.
Mixed Marshall arts was something that people were unfamiliar with,
and he was considering joining up in that group, and
his agent started talking to some NFL teams. I think
that his agent may have represented some NFL players and said, hey,
you know, I mean, we might be able to get
you on a roster if that's interesting to you. He

(24:17):
had n't played football organized football since high school, and
so he ended up signing with.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
The Philadelphia Eagles practice squad.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Or maybe it was with New England, and then he
got cut and then he was got signed by Philadelphia,
and then he came back to New England. Like it
was a rocky first couple of years, but he ended
up starting something like close to one hundred.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Games in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
He won three Super Bowls with the Patriots, So it
has happened before.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Now. Steve was a great athlete. Everybody knew that.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
But Steve also had a level of toughness and a
desire to be great at football that you absolutely need to.
You gotta kind of obsess over it and fall in
love with the game and do all the things that
requires you to like be you know, ostensibly great at something.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Building up from the bottom.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Because he went from being a world champion, he was
the best in the world at freestyle wrestling, to being
the fifty.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Third man on a roster.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
It takes a lot to be as great as Gable Steveston,
you know this, this national champion, to then being the
worst at something and building your way back up. So
if he has the mental toughness the way Steve Neil did,
who knows, maybe it'll work out. But it takes a
lot more than athleticism to be great at something.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yeah, I applaud the Bills for thinking outside the box.
I mean, I feel like these days it's hard to
find good talent that isn't already on someone's radar, and
this is unique.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Is it gonna work? I have no idea. Is he
gonna be a rockstar player? Probably not. It takes a
long time.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
And you know, Rich, it's I'm curious your thoughts because
you play it right. Like to me, this is like, oh,
this guy thinks you can just step on the field
of play my sport, Like like that's how I would
feel if I was someone who had been blood, sweat
and tears trying to make the NFL and now I've
got to compete against the guy that's been you know,
sweating on the mat with with.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Dudes for the last however many years he's been wrestling.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
It's it's almost like it's almost like a, hey, we
better be careful because if we don't do our job,
McDermott's gonna replace us with a wrestler. Like it just
it raises like the level of awareness of the Bills
kind of trying to ascend to this championship status right
because let's be honest, of all the teams that have

(26:44):
been right there but not there the last four years,
is there any team more in that mold than the Bills,
where like if a ball bounces their way a couple times,
like like geez, the playoffs last year, and then of
course you go back to the game a few years
ago that was like the craziest game still that I
can recall watching when the Bills and the Chiefs went

(27:04):
back and forth, and then of course the overtime it
led to the rule change, and like it just I'm
to me, this is like I don't want to say,
a desperate move, but it's definitely Hey, we need to
shake things up a little bit. So let's shake it
up because whatever we've done hasn't worked. And the definition
of insanity is to do things over and over again
the same thing and expect a different result. So again,

(27:27):
I don't think this is gonna work. I don't think
he's gonna be like, you know, the next Reggie White,
But I think it's an interesting move by a franchise
that's trying to shake things up.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Look, we've seen this happen in similar ways where look
at Eagles left tackle Jordan Malatta, who is fantastic. He
was a rugby player, yeah, and he came over and
had to learn a lot of technique to make it
obviously in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
It can be done. We're not trying to paint a
picture of this can never work out.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
It has worked out. There have been examples of it.
It's just this idea of Austin Rivers saying, oh, if
you're a great athlete, you're good, you'll figure out the
minor d Yah. That's because look look at some of
the players that have excelled. You mentioned Tom Brady in football,
and look at it from a basketball perspective. Luk at

(28:16):
Doncic has been unbelievable. He is not an awesome athlete
at all. He is just highly skilled, has a great technique.
Same thing with Nicola Jokicic He's won MVP three of
the last four years. Jokic is not an athletic specimen,
you know. So you have to learn a lot more

(28:36):
than just being a great athlete to even make it
in the NFL NBA. It's just disrespectful to be like,
I could take thirty guys right now and they could
go in the NFL and they're currently NBA players.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
No, you couldn't.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
You could not do that, although I will say you
could take one update anchor and that would be Isaac
Lohman kron and if he wanted to be in the
NFL or the NBA, best believe me he would be.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
But he's here grazing us with his presence today.

Speaker 8 (29:03):
I wonder probably not a lot of skill is actually
involved in being a holder on place kicks. I honestly
would not. Actually, to be honest, holding on place kicks
does involve the considerable amount of skill.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
And catch that ball as a compan feat really fast.

Speaker 8 (29:26):
Yeah, well, you catch the ball, but you also have
to spin the laces to the front and not completely panic.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Very short period of time people coming down.

Speaker 8 (29:36):
And by the way, some of these long snappers and
and and rich can back me up on this. They
can actually snap the ball so the laces revolve a
specific amount of time, so the laces hit the holder
right in the palm, so the holder doesn't even have
to turn the ball true.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Ye, the best, the best long snappers on punt they
can calculate exactly how how many revolutions the ball is
going to have so that the laces are facing skyward
for the punter, or even angled at a direction the
punter likes them. And the best short snappers on those
field goal kicks and extra points. They can make it

(30:13):
so that the laces are facing you know, downward if
need be, so that the holder can quickly place the
ball and then it's ready to be kicked.

Speaker 8 (30:21):
And by the way, I don't worry. I got your
text message. I will be talking about Louis arrive shortly. Okay,
yeah again, thank you very much, just saving us some time.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Checks in the mail.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 8 (30:31):
We do started the NBA, however, we're Multiple outlets reported
overnight that Sacramento King's head coach Mike Brown's agreed to
a new contract extension through twenty twenty six twenty seven.
It's worth eight point five million dollars a year. Game
five of the NHL's Western Conference Finals on Friday night
saw the Edmonton Oilers win a Dallas three to one
for a three games to two lead. In Major League Baseball,

(30:52):
Friday night, in the Yankee six to two win at
San Francisco, Aaron Judge hit two more home runs to
become the first in the majors to twenty home runs.
So here are Judges stats for the month of May
fourteen home runs, twenty seven RBI, twenty five extra base
hits in the month of May, the most by a
Yankee in a calendar month since Joe Demaggio In July

(31:16):
of nineteen hundred and thirty seven. The Colorado Rockies beat
the Dodgers in Los Angeles four to one, and the
San Diego Padres rich nine runs Rich in the top
half of the eighth inning to win of Kansas City
eleven to eight. Luis Arrives four for five and how
about this his fourth four hit game in just twenty

(31:40):
four games in a Padre uniform.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Back to you guys, yep, Yeah, Louisa Rise rubbing off
on them.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
They had ten singles just that eighth inning alone.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Good lord, we're basically bunting up there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
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off the air. I'm want to throw something at you
real fast. Here was the craziest thing I read all week.

(32:16):
So this is from Matt Schneidman. He covers the Packers
for The Athletic and he was writing about wide receiver
Christian Watson. And you know, Christian Watson's had all these
hamstring injuries, right, It's really been a negative thing for
him to try to get over. He's banged up constantly.
And so he went to a specialist in Madison, Wisconsin,

(32:41):
and the specialists like, let's dive deeper, let's figure out
what's going on here. The specialist discovered that Watson's right
leg was significantly weaker than his left leg.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
And so they put him on this training program. They're
trying to get his legs evened out in terms of strength,
and they think this could help Watson stay on the field.
It is because of these unbalanced legs of his. So
if he can He's got all the talent in the world,
he just can't stay healthy. If he can't stay healthy,
look out man. He could be a big asset for

(33:15):
the Packers, who did really well last season mostly with
him being absent.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
So it's something to watch going forward.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, it absolutely is. You just reminded me. I remember
reading the story. I can't remember if he went out
to Wisconsin, but do you remember when Cooper cup reaggravated
a hamstring injury, and he went out and he visited
a specialist somewhere else for a second opinion. I'm really
curious if it's the same guy that Watson went and visited.

(33:45):
I'm really curious because that is, by the way, that's
something that happens in NFL circles. A lot of people
don't talk about doctors and specialists. Like if there's a
good shoulder surgeon, everybody wants to go to that shoulder surgeon.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
If there's good anchor guy, or good hip guy, or
good knee guy.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Like the I believe it was doctor Anderson down in Alabama,
everybody went and saw.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
You know, so there are certain sports docs who become
renowned and famous. I went to one of them when
I had my micro disc ectomy. I had it done
by Doc Watkins in LA. And it's because he did
Peyton Manning's neck, and he did Gronk's neck, and he
did you know, or Gronk's back or whoever he saw,

(34:30):
you know, a couple other guys that I'm aware of it,
you know, like like there are there are jerseys up
in his office, and now mine's added to the collection
because I was like, well, that's the guy I want
to go if he's been in charge of some of
the most famous athletes.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
So I'm curious if it's the same guy, that's it.
It's a different guy.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
I just looked it up where it's a guy Cooper
Cup went to a guy hamstring specialist in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Oh got So maybe the key is just go to
the Midwest. Just go to the Midwest. They're great with
Hammy's real quick.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Your body's balance, you know, just because you have like
an injury in your left knees, say, it could trigger
something where all of a sudden you start having problems
with your right ankle because of over compensations. So it
is really smart to fix those imbalances. Watson could end
up having a great season if he's fixed these things

(35:22):
soon enough.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, it would be really interesting to find out. All right,
that's rich joorn Berger, Penn State All American. Jared Smith
with us FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian now coming up next.
The spotlight is shining on Jared Smith the parlay platter. Addition,
I don't know we're on UFC, what are we up to?
Your Okay, I'm just saying that the number that you've

(35:47):
done over the.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
US great question. To be fair, I don't even want
to go back and look at the record.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
So like UFC three to oh two or so. This
is Jared.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Smith losses at three h two p three fifth the
Ears of the parlay platter on the way. It's Fox
Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is
Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
We don't have time to waste. Let's dive into this.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
Anything check this out, parlay flatterer.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Okay, Jared, you've been in the lab. You're set to
unveil a new parlay platter.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Here we are all ears. What do you have for us? Yeah,
let's do a little SGP with this. Braves A's game.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
So the first thing I identified today is it is
a breezy day down in the atl wind blowing directly
in from center field at a brisk ten to fifteen
miles an hour. And there's a little you know system
out there that if the wind's blowing in, well you
should at least look to bet the under, because it's
been a profitable strategy about fifty eight percent this year

(36:50):
when the wind is blowing directly in in any direction
at more than ten miles an hour sustained twenty nine,
twenty one.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
And three to the under this season.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
So we're gonna take this Braves A's game, which is
kind of a unique pitching matchup because on one time
we get Chris Sale, who is an absolute rock star
and he's given up a one earned run or less in.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Six consecutive starts.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
On the other side, Aaron Brooks, not the former Saints
quarterback Aaron Brooks, but just a random righty that they're
gonna throw out there.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
But yeah, right, I think the under makes sense.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
I love those Saints teams too, Joe Little big Horn
as the receiver.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
But I digress.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
So since the Acunya injury, right, really tough injury, Toronto
Acunya Junior this week actually torn a cl It's been
five games since Braves eleven for sixty six in that
span against Ridings, So again, Acuna is I mean, he
hits everybody, but you take him out of the lineup,
the Braves offense less punch. And how about the Braids
This year the most unders in all of baseball thirty

(37:55):
five twenty and two.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
So even with Akunya early in the.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Year, that offense was not very punchy, and the A's
have scored only four runs in their last fourteen games
against lefty. So we're gonna take the first five under
four runs, We're gonna take the full game under eight,
and we're gonna take Chris Sale under one and a
half earn runs. It's an underwhelming same game parlay between the.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
A's and the Braids.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
Not the juiciest payout plus one ninety, but again, guys,
it's a correlated parlay.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Right.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
If the first five underhits, I feel good about the
full game underhitting, and if all of those unders are
also cashing, I think Chris Sale stays under one and a.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Half or run wow wow. I like.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
I like baseball because on the outset you can feel
really secure when you are also extrapolating wind speed and
direction into the ballpark, like you've got a lie. You've
got meteorologists nodding along with you, like yep, no, this
checks out?

Speaker 1 (38:58):
The math does map fun this one?

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Jared Smith, Let him cook, let's go.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I like the thinking, Jared. The one thing I was
thinking of is is baseball more frustrating than other sports?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
To meaning this? Right? You know, I can feel your
head in your hands as you say that. You know, like, Sale,
I like what you're thinking here under.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
One and a half earned runs, right, Sales been fantastic.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
You outlaid all of that. But baseball it's just one
of these things where it'll mess with you.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
We're either in the first inning, the A's get two
runs and you're like, where did this come from?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Right walk and a home run and it's over, or.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Right before he's about to be taken out, you're good,
just take him out of the game. You know, he
gives up that one run to go along with the
other one run.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
You're like, oh my gosh, it just made me think
of that.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
Well, we were talking about this earlier in a different context.
But the way that I bet baseball is, you know,
first inning, it's literally, you know, it's a quick death.
I've had wins and losses before first first pitch of
the game.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Home run, you're done. Imagine doing all.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
This research for a bet and then it's like the
first pitch, Yeah, it's over.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah. I don't think it happens in other sports. That
can't very rarely.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I bet the first quarter under and there was a
touchdown on the kickoff returners.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I don't know something like that.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
All right, coming up next, who are the most and
the least interesting teams in the NFL this season? We
will compare notes right around the corner.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
The word of the segments is interesting. Okay, it's a
little bit like sesame street the word of the day.
This isn't the word of the day. It's just the
word of the segments here. Okay, So for the next
ten twelve minutes, are interesting.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
We're all about interesting. Okay. The Chicago Bears be featured
on Hard Knocks this season. Are you interested? I am?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, absolutely, I am Caleb Williams, first training camp rookie
going up against a good defense in camp.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
We're jotting doubt. Oh yeah yeah two incompletions, what interception?

Speaker 6 (41:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (41:19):
We're doing?

Speaker 8 (41:19):
All that?

Speaker 1 (41:19):
I need to calm down with.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
That is a bit much ridiculous, But I'm interested. I'll
tune in to watch Hard Knocks with the Bears featured.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
You guys, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, I was talking to somebody who is really downplaying
their level of excitement or interest, and I can't tell
if they were doing it for effect during the conversation
or if they're actually not interested. In watching you know
how sometimes people in different crowds they change their opinion
because they feel like, well, I don't know, maybe it's

(41:50):
cool to have the one dissenting opinion. I don't understand that,
because it's okay to go along.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
With the crowds.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Sometimes, you know, it's okay to feel like genuine excitement
or intrigue in something that everybody is feeling genuine excitement
and intrigue in.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
You know, it's not punk rock to.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Be like ah, I mean, I like the NFL, but
Caleb Williams pass.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
It's like, wait, what like?

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Caleb Williams right now is the NFL. He's the first
overall draft picks. He's another one of these quote unquote
can't miss guys that we've heard talked about, with Andrew
Luck out of Stanford or Trevor Lawrence out of Clemson.
It's now Caleb Williams out of USC So I can't
wait to see what this looks like.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
And in fact, my take on this is.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
It's either going to endear people to Caleb Williams or
completely turn them off to Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I don't think there's gonna be an in between.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I think that I think that Caleb Williams is a
little bit of a polarizing character because he he is
one of those people who seems pretty self assured as
to who he is. You know, this is a guy who,
whether you think it's counterculture, it's completely acceptable.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
This is the sports world.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
He paints his fingernails and there's a lot of opinions
about that. You know, this is a guy who, whether
you think it's okay to be an athlete and show
big emotions, sobbed in his mother's arms and that became
headlines for a month, right. You know, it's it's going
to be one of those those I think one of

(43:32):
those series, one of those shows that is either going
to endear him to and maybe not necessarily talking about
the Bears fan base specifically, I'm talking about everybody who's
interested in the NFL and everybody who starts seeing the
clips that will go viral as the season.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
You know, goes on or the mini series goes on.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I think that is going to be the big takeaway
is how people feel about Caleb Williams after this Hard
Knocks episode, or I should say, this season wraps.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I think people are gonna love him.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
I think a lot of that pushback right now, if
he did, let's leave it at this. If he doesn't
play it, well that's a different story. But until the
game start, I think he is going to be a
captivating he and I don't have as many you know,
to me, Chicago is a bit of a foreign territory
in terms of my contacts, but everyone that I know there,
I mean it's it's he's done, he said, and done

(44:26):
all the right things so far. So there's a lot
of excitement. I think the win total and that excitement
on the betting side is starting to get a little
bit overblown. But in terms of as we discussed, the entertainment,
the most interesting man in the world, right, I mean,
he's it right now in the NFL. There's no doubt
about that, and he deserves it. I mean, he's got

(44:46):
all the intangibles that we look for, and he's obviously
got the tangibles. Tangibles or else he wouldn't have been
drafted first. But I really liked how he handled that
whole process, and we were critical of him. I'm sure
at some point, I know our producer Bo Benson doesn't
like it when we are because is a big usc guy.
But I'm sure at some point over the last year
or so we've been doing this show, we've been critical
of him, but I really think he's handled this all

(45:09):
with you know, class and grace.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Like he came in and it was a really.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Uh it was a much talked about situation, and we
haven't talked about it much over the last few weeks.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
It's kind of calmed down, right.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I think it'd be funny if bo was like, yes,
I do remember it was October twenty Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Room.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I'll say this though, as something you said right there,
Jared made me think of this. Whatever Caleb Williams does
this year, it will be talked about ad nauseum because,
let's just say, for the sake of argument, as a rookie,
he has some struggles most rookies do. It will not
be like Bryce Young last year, Right, he was a
number one overall pick, got off to a shaky start,

(45:50):
and he just sort of faded off into the background.
He was not talked about hardly at all with the
Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
And if Caleb Williams had the.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Exact same season in twenty twenty four that Bryce Young
had in twenty twenty three, it's gonna be talked about
so much differently because Caleb Williams is just a lightning rod. Yeah,
for whatever reason, his style just what we've talked about
in college going into the NFL.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
It's like there are sides.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
People either have their mind made up in a negative
way or a positive way, and there's just this clash
and it's gonna lead to so many conversations and debates
no matter what he does, if he's great, if he's struggling,
if he's inconsistent, it's gonna be talked about like crazy
because it's just different than Bryce Young last year.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
However, I will say this, we're talking about, you know,
a market size that's down in the twenties.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
When we're talking about it.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I don't care, and I don't think it has anything
to do with any of these conversations.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Well, I mean we're talking about the third rank market
in the country, Chicago. I mean, they have an enormous
amount of people who are interested in Chicago sports, and
the tune in when Chicago is good is enormous.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
You know, I'm not look and this is saying nothing about.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Charlotte or the Carolinas in general, but you have to
be you have to be Clemson. You know, you have
to you know, Cam Newton, Yeah, you have to be
Cam Newton. You have to be you have to be
something real special.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
You have to be Duke. You have to be you
and c to to.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Really climb out of the the seller of the public
consciousness to take center stage. And so Bryce Young it
was a little bit easier for Carolina or the NFL
to hide Carolina. There's no hiding in market three in
this country. And now, don't get me wrong, market size

(47:53):
is and everything because Green Bay, Wisconsin is right, I
mean it is.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
It is a now.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
But there's steak exactly, you know, Vince Lombardi, lambeau Foot,
bart start, thank you.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I mean, the list goes on, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yeah, you know, Jordan Love was going to he was
going to get it if he wasn't good, and and
it was, you know, the people were starting to chirp,
and then he turned it around. Looks So the reality
of this situation is, I think Caleb Williams, for two reasons,
is going to be a lot bigger of a deal
to the NFL this season than than Bryce Young.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
It's because I think he was.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
A bigger star in his program out of USC and
a more visible position within his program. Like Alabama, people
talk about the running back and the defense. USC it's
always been about the quarterback. So that's that's part of
the story. And then also the place he's going to.
I mean, they are so desperate for something special to

(48:55):
happen in Chicago with the Bears that I mean, he's
really being he looked at. It's like, hey, buddy, like,
this is our first opportunity at a first overall pick
in a long time.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Don't screw it up.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
And there's a lot of people waiting to chirp if
he does.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
And again, the expectations are higher than they were in Charlotte. Like,
for example, I'll give you and to kind of corroborate
your your narrative a little bit rich. I have a
friend that lives here in Vegas. Shout out Chris that
play golf of them yesterday's from Charlotte. It's from North Carolina.
Huge Panthers fan, but you know what, he's a bigger
fan of it.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
It's a lot of braves like and and.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
That's just it's just kind of the vibe of that area,
like it's a Braves town, it's a NASCAR town, you're right,
college basketball, Tobacco road.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
You know.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
The Carolina Panthers are probably like, I don't know, fifth
on the list of teams that people from the Carolinas root.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
For, and like they're a new team.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Whereas the Bears, it's a little more mystique. It's a
little more George Hallis, it's a little more you know,
all of the former player and the Super Bowl shuffle
and all that stuff like it.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Just it carries more weight.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
And whether or not that's fair on Kayleb Williams or not,
it's not fair because he had nothing to do with
any of that. You know, he wasn't. He didn't pick
who he was drafted by. He just showed up on
draft night and it was the Bears. That's just the
way the NFL works. Like Bryce Young, I don't want
to say, got a pass last year, But if Bryce
Young was doing what he did for the Packers, yeah,

(50:26):
he hears about it a lot more because it's the
Packers and as we discussed, the.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Mystique, but he didn't.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
He did it for Carolina, which in itself is kind
of an under the radar team and so probably didn't
get as even though he was the number one pick,
probably didn't get as much negative vitriol attention as if Bryce,
if Kayleb Williams goes through that this year. So that's
not like that's not a choice, but it's unfortunately the

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reality that these quarterbacks live in the market you play
in kind of dictates the tone of how you're gonna
be treated. Sometimes like Aaron Rodgers in New York getting
treated now towards the end of his Green Bay ten.
You're a little different, but you know, it was all
sunshines and rainbows in Green Bay, right You're riding the
bikes to the stadium during training cap everything's tunky dory.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
In New York, it's a little bit harsher.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
It's a little colder of a reality. So that's the
reality Caleb is in in Chicago. The pressure is high.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
They're expected to.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
Be a winning team this year year one, right out
of the gate, and if he slips, yeah, he's gonna
hear about it a lot more than probably Bryce did
last year.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I think market has something to do with it. But
I'm on the opposite side of you, guys. I don't
think it has nearly as much as you guys tend
to think it does. Because look at it this way.
If if Caleb Williams went to Carolina, right, let's say
they never drafted Bryce Young, Caleb Williams went to Carolina,

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and Caleb Williams had the same bad year that Bryce
Young just had. It's a much bigger talking point, like
light years bigger, because he's just a bigger deal going
out of college.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Coming from college.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
We talked about him crying in the stands for months, you.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
We never did that with Bryce Young. He's just a
bigger deal coming out. And I look at it, it's
a lot like scouting in a way. If you're good enough,
I don't care what college you're playing for. It could
be Pine Bluff, East, West, North, you know, Southeast, it
doesn't matter. They will find you if you have that game.

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If you look at CJ. Stroud last season, I know
Houston is a bigger market, but let's be honest, we
never talk about the Houston Texans. They're the other team
in Texas, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
And CJ.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Stroud went there balled out and we talked about him
like crazy. So I think that market size Yeah, to
your point, Jared, and to your point Rich, it has
something to do with the amount of coverage. Yeah, I
get that, But I think that if you are a
rock star and you play in a small market, it's
still gonna be a big deal. I think that if

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Caleb Williams went to the Titans or the Panthers, he
would still be a talking point because he's just a
lightning rod.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
That's him, and we're.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Gonna look at all these little details, fear or not,
regardless of the market size. I think if Bryce Young
had the same exact season with the Bears last year, nationally,
we would have distanced ourselves from it. They're a two
win team, They're irrelevant. Who cares now. Locally it's a
mammoth deal, But nationally, I don't think it's that big

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of a story, even with the Bears searching for a
quarterback major market, I don't think it's that big of
a story. Caleb Williams struggling with that team, huge story
if that ends up being the case.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Completely agree with your assessment as well, and I do
think it is a collaborative effect the type of star
power you have leaving college, but also the market you
go to I think has a strong effect as well.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
But yeah, like stars, stardom follows you wherever you go.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
So Caleb Williams, wherever he was drafted, we'd be paying attention,
especially if he's the first overall draft pick, to wherever
he goes, he would not have the ability to disappear
into the ether a lah Bryce Young last year. I mean,
think about some of the stars in the first round
doesn't even necessarily have to be first or all pick.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
But I'll start with one. Baker Mayfield going to Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
That dude had hype and visibility and superstardom written all
over him because you know he's planting the flag at
O State right and he's you know, Honking is growing
at the opposite sideline and Honkins.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah, I mean, like the dude.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
The dude had some spicy moments in college, so it
was going to follow him into the NFL.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Tim Tebow, I mean, mister clean out of college as
far as we know Clean, you know, the Florida Gator.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
He goes and he gets drafted by the Broncos. It
didn't matter where TBO was gonna land. He was going
to be a superstar. So I do agree with what
you're saying to answer your original question, and I'll give
you very short answer and a very short list. The
two other teams that come to mind is really specifically
interesting heading into this NFL season for obvious reasons. The
New York Jets six primetime games. They're gonna play seven

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standalone games before like game eleven of their season because
they also have the game overseas Aaron Rodgers return. Blah
blah blah. You know it. It's gonna be the focus
of the NFL season. Another low key one nobody's talking
about yet, the Denver Broncos with bow Knicks.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
If he's good, he has to be good.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Sean Payton's got to start cooking up, you know, some
figure this out in his lab. Because the AFC West
with with Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert with obviously what
the Chiefs have done, and Taylor Swift and Andy Reid
and Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce and all that. You know,
the NFC West is the division. If bow Knicks is good.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Oh man, that's gonna be an enormous story this season.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
So I'll make one quick point about Brian's original point,
and I'll give you some interesting least interesting. I think
the reason why we gave Bryce Younger pass is because
he won in college. I honestly believe that they won
a national championship. Obviously, I know Caleb Williams won a
Heisman Trophy, but they won like Bama won.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Right. It goes back to the conversation we're.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
Having earlier about like, you can win ugly, but you
still won, Like, yeah, it might not have been pretty,
but Alabama won like they won the title. So maybe
we gave Bryce a little bit of a pass because
of that. And we didn't give Caleb a pass because
all of the big games that we saw him crying
in he lost, and that I think is the root
of it.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
But yeah, we're probably overdue.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
We're probably overcooking the grits with the market stuff because
we're a very regionally biased society and that's just kind
of how we view the world, right, Like, I'd be
very curious if you know the opinions of people. They
probably differ in New York than they do in Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
It's just it's just.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
The way of the world mostly day, Sharon, Yeah, let's
kick our legs up a little bit for like most
and least interesting. I want you to expand a little bit,
and we got to get to Rich's least interesting, So
we'll do that right around the corner.

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Or we've got Rich Oornberger, Penn State All American, Jared
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legs out right. Who are the three most interesting NFL teams?
Who are the three least interesting NFL teams heading into
the twenty twenty four season. We'll compare notes next. It's
Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. It

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is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
we are talking about interesting, most interesting, least interesting in
the NFL this upcoming season.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Shared, Well, we'll.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Throw it to you man on your three most interesting teams?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
What does your list look like here, well, I had
to be a homer.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
So obviously the Jets, I mean, how are they not
the most interesting team after last year? And I know that,
you know they weren't very interesting last year.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Let's leave it. They were interesting for like seven minutes.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
It was like the best it was was that game
you played as a kid seven minutes in Heaven, Right,
that was basically the Jets season right there.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
It was, you know, a quick in and out of closet.
That's it, we're done and we'll move on.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
But I mean, if I do think they made all
the right moves in the offseason, right, I thought they
were gonna take the shiny toy in the draft and
Brock Bowers. They went O line love my guy Olu
out of Penn State. They you know, bulked up the
old line in the offseason with a bunch of free agents,
signings Smith and you know, a couple other guys that
I hope can give him some time there. But we'll see,
we'll see if Aaron Rodgers's achilles holds up. And if it,

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let's be honest, they're on primetime like every single week
the first two months of the year.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
So if you don't like the Jets, Well, sorry, because
you're gonna.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
Be watching them in primetime games pretty much the entire season,
and this kind of goes hand in hand. You'll notice
a team with a lot of these the Bengals, you know,
after last year, I was very high on Joe Burrow.
I put a couple MVP bets on him during his
little up and down stretch and then obviously the final
blow with the injury I think it was early November
or late late October, kind of put them to sleep,

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put the.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Kiddies to sleep after Burrow went down.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
But I think with Burrow healthy, this is a Super
Bowl contender and we'll see everything I've heard he looks
like Anakin Skywalker and Revenge of the Sith.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
But everything I've heard.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Is positive on the on the injury front with Joe Burrow.
And the final one is the Eagles because again, I
just I think this is a team that I like
teams or at least interesting. I'm interested in teams that
had high hopes last year underachieved.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
How do they spawn from that?

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
And I think Philly situation, especially the Saquon Barkley addition,
I think makes them a lot more intriguing when they
play the Giants like those games are gonna be unbelievably heated.
That rivalry always is. But there's a lot of upside,
I think with Philly, and it's just a matter of
can they put it all together. They didn't last year.
They really fell apart down the stretch. But there's more
talent in that room than that final score, let on

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in that playoff game. So I think Philly is a
very interesting team to see how they bounce back here
in twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I think there are a lot of interesting teams. Oh yeah,
go anywhere here. I'll go my top three here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
So number three, I feel like there might be pushback
with my list, at least with a couple of them.
You don't say, yeah, number three, how about them Cowboys?
And you can sit here and oh, here we go again,
the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Oh we have there all these offseasons.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, you know what they remind me of. They remind
me of sports radio haters. Okay, where you guys have
all dealt with this. I'm sure over the years where
someone will tweet or call in and be like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Why are you talking about this topic again? But here's
my opinion on it. That's the Dallas cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
That's exactly what they are is oh roll your eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Who cares about the cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Here's what I think about Dak, Here's what I think
about Mike McCarthy, YadA YadA.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yeah, they're still interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Number two shout out to Chris Purfett on The Show
with Us here, technical producer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
The Detroit Lion Dan Campbell's freaking crazy. You don't know
what he's gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
He's probably gonna do something reckless. But they're interesting, and
they've got a couple of new corners. You get Carlton
Davis from Tampa, you get Terry and Arnold from Alabama.
I think they've made great upgrades with what really held
them back last season. I'm really interested to see if
they can take that next step.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
And they're just freaking grinders.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
You know, if you get a primetime game with Detroit,
you know they're going all out. So I'm interested in them,
and I'm with you guys, it's the Jets. The Jets
are number one. Are they gonna boom? They're gonna bust?
You get Aaron Rodgers. They're absolutely the most interesting because
there's so much unknown with them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's hard to disagree with most
Interesting lists because there is like a pile of super
interesting teams at the tippy top of the league.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
You know, you gotta throw the Chiefs in there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I guess right, because of the Taylor Swift thing, the
storyline with the back to back Super Bowl championships, the
back to back Super Bowl MVPs from mahomes.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Can they three peat? I mean, my goodness, like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
There's a lot there that's interesting to me. There's a
lot there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
And so I mean you kind of bounce from division
to division, and you could make an argument in most
divisions for at least one team standing heads and shoulders
above the rest, as like, wow, well that team's definitely interesting.
But then the second place team is interesting too. And
I may have overthought it a little bit with my
most Interesting lists because I added the Nenver Broncos there.

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But it's really it's really relying on bon Nicks being him.
It's really relying on him becoming what Sean Payton hopes
he was when he drafted him twelve overall. Because yeah,
insert the San Francisco forty nine ers, Insert Jim.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Harbaugh's new look Los Angeles Chargers.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
I mean, we could go hours talking about most interesting
in terms of least interesting. Yeah, man, I don't even
want to save it for last. I'll give you the
other two kind of also runs. I want to spend
a little time talking about the New York Giants. Wow,
my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
You are spoiled being in market number one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
And again we talked about markets and how much or
how little they have influence on whatever. But it's market one,
Like you have the biggest audience. You are a you know,
team that is now reaching yearning for the dynasty years
with Eli Manning.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Like this is a team that kind.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Of like hated to love Eli Manning and now they're
begging for anybody to resemble him remotely. At quarterback, Daniel
Jones is your quarterback. After the season he had whoa what? Okay,
Brian Dayball, you know you want to talk about getting
in your lab and cooking up some schemes. The New

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York Giants followed up a terrible season with having one
of the most boring off seasons in drafts I've ever seen.
So I mean, it felt like Saquon Barkley signed with
a division rival almost as much out of chasing the
best contract he could.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
To but also spite like like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
I mean, it's an insane it's an insane path that
we're on with the New York Giants. But I mean,
considering how much they have at their doorstep, how much
access they have to media hype, the the New York
Giants are like extraordinarily low on my list in terms

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of teams that I'm interested in seeing performed this season,
and they're absolutely crushed by their division rivals. Philadelphia way
more interesting, Dallas Cowboys, way way more interesting, the Redskins
even or excuse me, the Commanders even way more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Yeah, I mean, just way more interesting than the New
York Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
So there there's that the other two that'll quickly sneak
in the New Orleans snate the Saints.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
They do nothing for me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Derek Carr, the Dennis Allen, ah the Saints, you know,
and then.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
The vision is pretty the whole division's Frankly Berry uninteresting.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
And then and then throwing the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
I I just again, Jonathan Gannon, I mean, I don't know,
it just it's it's not doing anything for me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
And then the division.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
You look around that division so much more interested in
what happens with the ram in the San Francisco forty
nine ers. Curious about the Seattle Seahawks, much less so
than the other two I just mentioned. But the Arizona
Cardinals right now, they are very low on the interest
registered scale right now. So there's a list for you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Rick throwing shaded is form a team Desert Boys not
loving too much with the Cardinals. I think if Gannon,
we'll see, well, I'll have some interesting conversations about the Cardinals,
I think at some point this year.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
But I agree overall, down all right, these three are
I always say it's easier to pick the.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
Teams that you think are going to stink than the
teams that are you think they're going to be good.
I think this team is a bit of an upset
on the non interesting list because last year we were
very high on them, and this is the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
What happened to the Jaguars?

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
They're like an endangered species now like last year, this
time they were odds on to win their division. The
rest of the division was terrible, right used in terrible
Tennessee with love is terrible. Well, guess what, now you're
maybe the third best team in this division. I mean,
I think you're definitely fighting for second. We'll see what
the Will Levis Titans situation evolves to. But I think

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the Titans have definitely gotten better and the Jaguars have not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
They lost Calvin Ridley, they did bring in Gabe Davis,
and they.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
Drafted a receiver. But I think you know what's Trevor
Lawrence right now? And their dogs and three out of
their first four games, they're three and a half point
dogs at Miami, four and a half point dogs at Buffalo,
three and a half point dogs at US And they
could start one and three, by the way, picked them
against Cleveland, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
That's part of the reason why I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
You've got the Jags first three games, the points spreads,
all map debts.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I've got Brian right, I'm a man. Do you want
to hear something sick?

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
The moment the schedule came out and they dropped all
the they have odds for all eighteen weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I made a.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Matrix of all two and seventy two games. I know
which every team is favored by in which game. How
many times you're a favorite, how many times you're I'm
a six sick man?

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Betiful, beautiful right there?

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Why we digress speaking of underdogs in a lot of games,
the New Wink freaking Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
The New England Patriots are underdogs in sixteen out of
seventeen games, people, And they're an underdog of.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
More than a field goal, more than a field goal.

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
In thirteen of their seventeen games.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
Yeah, I mean you want to talk about teams that
might be completely on the scrap heap come like Halloween,
it could be really scary for this Patriots team. And
I don't know what, like what is their redeeming quality?
Jacoby Brissett Like, I just I don't know what we're
gonna do here with this team, Drake Mays, I mean,

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we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
And then another one is the Raiders again, the Raiders.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
The first two weeks you go to La to face
the Chargers and Hardball, and then you go to the Ravens.
I mean, those are two really tough games right out
of the gate, and Vegas fifteen times. They will be
an underdog at least the pre flop numbers. We'll see
how the you know, the numbers change as we go forward.
And Gardner Minshew like, its just talk about the most

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lead he might be the least least interesting quarterback in
the NFL right now, So I think Vegas, New England
and the Jags like I could.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Really care less.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah, okay, I'll give you my three least interesting in
a minute. Here first, though, the most interesting update anchor
in the business, Steve de Seger. I'm kidding, I'd like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
I was misquoted. It's Ilo Is. He's got the latest too.
We all make mistakes. Oh god, that's gonna happen.

Speaker 8 (01:09:47):
Prepare to check your mentions, all my burner accounts.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
All least.

Speaker 8 (01:09:55):
As I was going to say before I was hit
below the belt there from that, as we speak, I
am looking at the matrix that Jared Smith max and
I am. I am actually trapped in the matrix, and Jared,

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you're you are under selling it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
He is, mister Smith. Now, in addition to.

Speaker 8 (01:10:26):
The odds on all two hundred and seventy two games,
it's hard to no, it's hard to do it. It's
hard to do it justice because each game has varying
degrees of color coding as it relates to the odd guy. Okay,

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two different shades of red. There's a warm red and
a hot red. Two different shades of green and then
the team colors.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Oh my god, it's like an arts and craft project.
Oh my god, I just looked at it. It's beautiful.
It really is. It really is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
But Jared, if I didn't know you virgin, yeah, yeah, beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
No, No, I think I haven't had a das of
the Truman administration. If there's any women in Vegas who
are single that would like to pull me out of
the matrix.

Speaker 8 (01:11:31):
I mean, this is the brad shade of Jacksonville Jaguars teal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Amazing.

Speaker 8 (01:11:41):
In Jared's defense, there has to be I mean, look,
what's the population of Earth?

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
What? Five six billions? Not enough, Isaac, It's not enough.

Speaker 8 (01:11:54):
Mathematically colonize mathematically. There has to be of there just
has to be one out of two point five billion,
three billion women. They would appreciate the level of color
coding and detail going into this matrix.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I love you so much. I love guys. I do
it all for you, man.

Speaker 8 (01:12:20):
And this is just the stuff we know about anyway.
Alrighty onto less interesting news outside the matrix. Multiple outlets
report it overnight. Sacabto King's head coach Mike Brown has
agreed to a new contract extension the twenty twenty six
to twenty seven campaign worth eight point five million dollars

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a year, But can he color code in Microsoft XL.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Here's how Game.

Speaker 8 (01:12:47):
Five of the NHL's Western Conference Finals ended on Friday night.
This is courtesy of Jack Michaels on cched.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
It's gonna win Game five. The others are gonna be
one win away to the Stanley Cup Final. Hit the
top three, jealous one. The Oilers close it out in.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
A long star state and they're sixty minutes away from
the Stanley Cup Final.

Speaker 8 (01:13:12):
And related story, Jared was just that enthusiastic when he
concluded his NFL I was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
His point really was, I couldn't wait to tweet it out.
Oh man, keep that man out of a highlight er. Second.
Have you seen the thing I'm doing with the with
the whiteboard? Now I'm doing that thing too. I like that.
I'm all kinds of weird guys. I think it's cool.

Speaker 8 (01:13:35):
Like I said, this is just about the stuff we
know about.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:13:37):
In Major League Major League Baseball on Friday night, the
New York Yankees one in San Francisco sixty two. Aaron
Judge had two home runs, becoming the first of the
Majors to twenty home runs, concluding a month of May
that saw a judge hit fourteen home runs that have
twenty seven RBI in the Mary Mary month of May,
the Colorado Rockies to be the Los Angeles Dodgers in

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LA four to one, and while Jared was excited about spreadsheets,
rich Ornberger excited about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
His San Diego Padres.

Speaker 8 (01:14:07):
They scored nine runs at the top half of the
eighthentic to win of Kansas City eleven to eight. Luis
Arrives four for five, his fourth four hit game in
just twenty four games in a Padre uniform.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Spreadsheet forthcoming from Rich.

Speaker 8 (01:14:23):
Now, would there be a all right, let's compare Rich
Ornberger smoking meats on the grill Jared Smith spreadsheets on
Twitter color code of discuss.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Back to you. Yeah, I don't know, man. That's uh,
that's a party I want to be invited to Saturday.
No women allowed. But we got by the way. By
the way, kids, this is what your thirties and forties look. Yes,
buggle up.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
This is forty forty midlife crisis spreadsheets alone with a
dog on the couch.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Beats in your yard. That's right, locking in literal sausage party. Literally.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Okay, you know, yeah, Jared, you're big on highlighters.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
I'm big on white out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Okay, I've made an alteration to my three least interesting teams.
We'll get to that right around the corner. Also, prop
it up. We got prop bets to discuss a little
two for one combo platter on the way. It is
Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. It
is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, quickly,
my three least interesting NFL teams, we'll get to prop

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it up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
I made a change. I'm gonna be honest with you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Okay, start with number number one is the Carroll Number one,
they're just boring.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
They won two games last season. Not interesting. Number two.
Least interest Number two, it'd be the New York Giants.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Rich, this is your team. Uh, there's always a counter argument.
They drafted, uh Malik should be really interesting. They traded
for Brian Burns. But I mean, you've got to have
a bottom three, and if the Giants are on a
primetime game, I don't think the first thought is ooh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Malik neighbors, Ooh Brian Burns.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
You're thinking, ugh, Daniel Jones, you know, right, like that's
that's just not interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Number three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
I was aially gonna go with the Raiders because they
don't have a quarterback. Not interested in Adan O'Connell or
Gardner Minshew. Sorry, they're not going anywhere. The AFC is loaded,
we know what it is. But they do have Devonte Adams,
They've got Max Crosby, they have the Mahomes rules now
right with Antonio Piers knocking him around and all that.

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I gotta put the Patriots there because although they have
Drake may and I'm interested to see what he does,
they have a new head coach in girod Mayo.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
It's just a boring roster. It's a boring team right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Put it this way, if the Patriots or the Raiders
are featured in a primetime matchup, who are you more
interested in watching?

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
It's easily the Raiders agree.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
Because of the defense with especially they brought him over.
That defense is gonna be pretty good with Pierce, but
the offense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
With minshees like, yeah, yeah, So I have to put
the Patriots in my bottom three, like the least interesting teams.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
They would come in third place. Madrid's underwin totals.

Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
Bet I'm making very soon people like almost maybe this week,
like really soon there you go?

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Do they have the best odds of landing the number
one overall pick.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
It's kind of I was looking at their so a
couple of markets are kind of split on them in
terms of worse, Like the Panthers are still a lot
of like they have the best odds to have no wins,
so like you know, and it's it's kind of uses
like the same markets to kind of pull from that. Yeah,
like there's some there's some you know, indecision on who
is really the worst team. I don't think there's any

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indecision in my mind. I think the Patriots are the
worst team in the league this year. Okay, I think
they'll have the worst record.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Interesting stuff. We got to do some prop that's over here.
Let's do it. Prop it up. Player plays all right, Jared,
we'll start with you. Where are you taking us here? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
Interesting game today, And Brian, we were talking about your
Cardinals recently, like every time, like we were getting ready
to fire the GM a couple of weeks ago. Ever
since then, they they're like on fire. Well, they lost
last night. They're facing the Phillies, and they have another
tough matchup today against the Phillies, and it's Ranger Suarez
on the mound, and I just man, I got a
Cardinals ticket to win the division. I hope I'm wrong

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about this. I hope they light him up today. But
Ranger Suarez has been so good this year, so we're
gonna go under five and a half hits aloud because
he has been unbelievable under this in nine of eleven
and the Cardinals, as you know, Brian awful for some reason,
awful against lefties this year twenty seventh and WRC flause
and for some reason, the Phillies have been a little
conservative with Rangers, so I think if he does get

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into trouble, they'll go to the bullfen under five and
a half hits aloud for the Lackey Ranger Suarez today
against our beloved with Saint Louis Cardinals.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
Okay, another interesting matchup today.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
One ten first pitch out in Kansas City, or I
should say one ten first pitch West Coast time for
the Padres against the Royals.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Padres, a team I followed closely.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Muskrove not a big strikeout pitcher, however, He's been very
effective through the month of May. Kansas City, though swings
and misses.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Out a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
MLB team strikeouts per game, Kansas City in second place
seven per game. They matched that total through the lineup
against all pitchers yesterday in an eleven nine loss to
the Padres. Muskrove on the mound effective this season. I'm
taking over four strikeouts in this this start for Joe Muskrove.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Okay, so you're gonna have to wait a little bit
for this first pick. I'm gonna take Luka Doncic under
thirty and a half points.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Hey, game one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Sometimes it's not a score fest, especially with Dallas.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Yeah right, Boston really good. You just saw him go crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
He scored twenty points in one quarter against Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
I'm gonna fade him in Game one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
I'm gonna take under thirty and a half for Luca
Magic and listen, Aaron Judge has just been an extra
base hit machine.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
He's facing Logan Webb. He's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Of the Giants here today, I'm gonna take over one
and a half total bases for Aaron Judge.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
He's just been red hot. Jared right Uh ride the hot.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Bats I like, here you go, TV, all right, coming
up next, a new role for this mystery player. Okay,
so we might have a new role for this mystery quarterback.
That would be Steeler's backup quarterback Justin Fields. Okay, So
remember there was some talk Steelers running back Jalen Warren

(01:20:51):
was like, you know, special teams coach kicking around the
idea of j Fields returning kicks. Now that we have
these rule chick here Justin Fields. Earlier this week, he says,
I don't plan on returning kicks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
I don't plan on doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
But there have been some discussions about Justin Fields in
the red zone, Justin Field's being used from the ten
yard line in right, maybe a special package of plays, yeah,
for Justin Fields in that area.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Now we're talking to the wildfield.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
What do you think about taking Russell Wilson off the
field when you get into the red zone some people
say the green zone.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Because it's the money area, and putting in Justin Fields
cold off the bench.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Just hey, get us six points over here, Jay Fields,
what do you think.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
About that strategy? I think it freaking sucks. I love you.
I that was perfect. I love it. I love it
and here's the reason why. It only if it works.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Now, if he's incapable to your point of coming in
cold and being effective, and scrap it immediately, because the
football is the most important thing on the planet when
you're playing that game between those white lines for those
three hours or so. And if he can't handle holding
on to the football or making good decisions or not

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making mental errors because he's coming in to the game cold,
then scrap it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
It's not worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
But the multiplicity that it gives you, and the diversion
that it gives you, and the expansion of your playbook
that it gives you. Having a Swiss Army knife down
near the goal line who can do a couple of
different things for you is incredible. Just think about Taysom
Hill and what he meant to the Sean Payton playbook

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when he was the head coach for the New Orleans
Saints with Drew Brees.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
I mean, it's just it's good. It's just good.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Having a guy who can take snaps, who can you
can line up, you know, off tackle or in the
or you know, slotted out at a wide receiver position,
who who knows you could pitch the ball out to
him and he could throw the football downfield. Whatever it
may be. I really dig the concept. But again to
your point, Brian, if it doesn't work, you gotta scrap

(01:23:15):
it immediately because you don't want to get cute with
the football when the organization is riding on those moments
where you're twenty yards and in.

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
Yeah, I think it is it more of an indictment
on Russell Wilson than anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Now, Russell said all the right things.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
In fact, I'm reading a quote right now where Russell
Wilson called Justin a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
You can agree with that or not.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
But I think it's more of a hey, we brought
this Russ guy in. We don't know what he has
left justin be ready. We might need you like just
be ready, and who knows justin? Might you know do
great and can't like you know, that's the beauty of
where I think some of these teams are with some
of these uncertain quarterback situations. And I know you know

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those are two names that we recognize, Fields and Wilson,
But the Steelers quarterback situation is very unsettled.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
It could go in multiple different directions.

Speaker 5 (01:24:10):
I think the Steelers hope that Justin Fields wakes up
and figures it out and the change of scenery, the
light bulb goes on and he takes over the job
because I think he has more upside, right, ceiling higher,
floor lower, I think with with Justin Fields, whereas maybe
the floor is still pretty low with Wilson, but there
is a floor. I think his numbers last year in

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Denver we're decent, but just not as you know, lofty,
as someone who was making the money that he was making,
and the Broncos, you know, the injury, the contract, all
that stuff, decided to move on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
But there's still some I guess, a flicker of hope.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
I guess the question is, and I'm not a Steelers fan,
so I can't answer this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
If you're a Steelers.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
Fan, Let's pull up the matrix really quick and see
who they play week one?

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Yes, I mean, because let's be honest.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
If I'm gonna take all this time to make this thing,
I'm gonna freaking use it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
All Right, they're two and a half point doll Isn't
this great? They're two and a half point dog in Atlanta. Now,
of course that could change before we get to week one,
but they're probably gonna be an underdog Week one. It's
gonna be a road game Atlanta, Kirk Cousins, That play
is gonna be fired up the new new regime coming
in odds are they start on one? I think that
makes sense to me, and then they go on the

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road and play Denver. Oh, isn't that fun we do
at Denver? Russell Wilson back with the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Yeah. My guess is you see Justin.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
Fields a lot or at some point incapacity in those
first two games, and I don't think it matters what
his role is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
You gotta get this guy on the field and see
what he's got.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Listen, if I'm gonna be fair here, let's do a
little best case and worst case scenario with Justin Fields.
Maybe the Steelers using him in the red zone or
between the ten yard line and the goal line. Let's
just play this out. So best case scenario, you start
with the athletic ability, the running ability. He's sensational. Everybody

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knows that, and so in a tight area on the field,
right ten yard line in where everything gets compressed, having
that element, yeah, it could make a difference. There's no doubt.
That's the best case scenarios. He can use that athleticism
to Pittsburgh's favor. The downside to this is Justin Fields,

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you're gonna have to throw the ball at some point,
even in the red zone or the ten yard line
in you just have to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
This isn't like they're running the wing t This.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Isn't like a service academy, and they're primarily running the option.
You know, you're gonna have to throw the ball as well,
and that's something that Justin Field certainly has not come
close to excelling it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
That is not a specialty.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
And now he's coming off the bench in an area
this is the money area, and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
He's not involved in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
He's not warm, and yeah he can run at times,
but he's gonna have to throw it, and in this
compressed area, I just don't see how that's gonna work
out more.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Times than not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
So, if I'm being objective here, it's a nice thought.
I just don't think they're gonna have as much success
with it as some might think because he was named
QB two.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
From the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Yeah, right, they had Russell Wilson in place, they brought
Justin Fields on board, and Mike Tomlin is like, make
no mistake, Russell Wilson is QB one for now, and
so he was that emphatic. Yet we're gonna trust justin
fields in the most important area on the football field
and expect it to just be sunshine and rainbows.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
I don't buy it at all.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Yeah, I see your point, and I I really do
appreciate the thought that you put into defending your argument.
Your side of the argument is valid, and it is
one of those really tenuous situations that you enter into
when you have two guys who are capable of starting

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games in your offensive backfield battling for the same spot.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Because it is a battle.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Whether anybody wants to admit it or not, Oh, there
is a battle.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Going on, and there will be sides picked.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
There'll be certain players on the roster depending on how
clear it is who's winning.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
This battle that choose fields.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
And there will be the Wilson camp and same in
the coaching staff. It's impossible for the room not to
be divided. I think back to when Mark Sanchez was
a starting quarterback in New York and Tim Tebow was
signed as his backup, and the entire time that offseason,

(01:28:53):
I was thinking to myself oh, this can be a
disaster for the Jets because you can't have a popular
backup quarterback who has starts and wins under his belt,
because at first sight of any sort of weakness in
the armor in terms of your starting quarterback, the chants
are gonna start raining down from the fans or the

(01:29:15):
crowd in New York asking for the backup. And the
same could be true with the Pittsburgh Steelers. So everything
you just said is valid. But I will say this,
if somehow these roles are defined, If somehow Wilson is
one hundred percent, they're the no brainer starter here. And
Justin Fields is a team first guy, there is a

(01:29:37):
way for this to work. And winning cures everything. So
if the Steelers roar out to an early successful campaign,
you know, three and one through the first three game,
four games or something like that, and Justin Fields has
helped in some you know, situational spots and Russell Wilson
looks great, well, then guess what, everything's baby. But if

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real Wilson is struggling and Fields is having success in
those critical moments, trust me when I tell you the
fans will be calling for Justin Fields and Mike Tomlin
will have a huge problem on his hands.

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
Yeah, I think that's the part of it where I'm
I don't I'm not debating at all that that Russell
should start the season as the starter or at least camp.
You know, injuries could happen, but at least start. You know,
camp is the number one. That's that's a no brainer.
But I think it's also fair to say his leash
will be very short because you do have a guy

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that was a high draft pick, had a lot of
you know, had a lot of clout in his direction,
didn't work out in Chicago, but still a lot of upside.
Like again, the ceiling I think on Justin Fields is high.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
The floor is ridiculously low. It's like beneath our feet,
but the ceiling.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Is is higher, right, Like, I think we can agree
on that, Brian, if in an optimal in a vacuum,
the ceiling on Justin Fields currently is still higher because
of the athleticism. But it's all the other things that
he hasn't figured out yet. Maybe the change of scenery
will help him put some of those Rubik's cube you know,

(01:31:17):
squares in the right place so they're aligning with the
right colors, Like my matrix, but it's so he's But
I just I think in itself, i'd be shocked if
it's not Russ right out of the gate, If it's
not Russ week two at Denver, give him that chance

(01:31:38):
to go into his old building, and you know, because
now that we know how things ended in Denver with
the injury and the contract and what they asked Russ
to do, like, that's gonna be a really interesting game. Frankly,
I wish they put that game week one, but I think,
you know, at Atlanta week one, I think to have
them going because Justin Fields was even rumored to go
to Atlanta and and didn't and it was Cousins instead.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
But those two games right out of the gate are
very interesting. I'll leave it at this.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
I would be shocked if Justin Fields does not see
the field at some point in those first two games.
I just don't know what capacity or how good he's
gonna play.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
You know what's crazy to me is I don't think
any of us are looking at the Steelers as this
team that's going to make major noise.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Right. That's fair to say, isn't it. Yeah, But they'll
still finish five hundred, right, or just the year they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Well, that's the thing is they went ten and seven
last year, Right, they won ten games and their quarterbacks
combined to throw thirteen touchdown passes in nine interceptions.

Speaker 5 (01:32:43):
Oh my gosh, they're eleven games this year out of
the gate, so they're not favored to go five hundred
or better.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Right, So we're not expecting the two headed monster of
Russell Wilson and Justin Fields to put up these gaudy
quarterback stats, you know, but can they do better than
thirteen touchdown passes and nine interceptions? Probably? Look at Russell
Wilson last season. He put up numbers he actually did
pretty well individually.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
So that's the question I have.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
If Russell Wilson is QB one throughout most of the
season and he puts up numbers that are comparable to
what he did last season, then where are the Steelers?

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
They won ten games.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
With quarterbacks that throw thirteen touchdown passes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
That's unheard of.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
So that's the main question I have is how good
can Pittsburgh be if they get noticeably better quarterback play?
And where the bar was set last year, right, that
shouldn't be a bar that Russell Wilson can't pull vault over, right,
and then where does that leave the Black and Gold

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if that's the case, Because what's their win total at
do you have that in the matrix there?

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
Yeah, they don't have the win totals, but I can
tell you that their fate their dogs in eleven game
and they're they aren't favored by more than four in
any game all year, which.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Is on the lower end of this on the spectrum.
So again, looks like they're eight and a half a half. Yeah, yeah,
like they're not expected.

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
Like I'll be honest, that feels like an underd of
me like that, Like like you know, first, like if
you tell me eight and a half, like that means
they have to win nine games and finish above five hundred,
Well guess what they're they're underdogs in in eleven out
of those games.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
That's true, But what did the last couple of seasons
feel like? Also, sure, you know, and I don't have
the make game last.

Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
Year, but yeah, I'll have to find it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
What was the.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
Kenny we had?

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
The Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky, Mason Rudolph, three headed monster
at quarterback?

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Like they're better at quarterback this year. Yes they are.
They are.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
I will say this though, a collection of stars does
not make a team. Culture as everything, and who knows.
I mean, as bad as that sounded what you just said, Brian,
when you have Trubisky and Pickett and Rudolph as you're
starting three quarterbacks throughout the course of a season, and
the statistics the touchdowns to interceptions thrown throughout the season

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from all three, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
That is awful. That is grotesque.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
However, maybe culturally those three quarterbacks fit the culture of
the Steelers better than the two better quarterbacks that they
just brought in. Culture is everything in football. If you
don't have a good culture in the locker room, you
have nothing. This isn't baseball, This isn't hey. You know,

(01:35:39):
we got nine guys and nine different taxis waiting for
him as soon as the game ends. You know, it's
it is what it is. These guys hate each other.
But you know, baseball's played in a vacuum. It's hit
or pitcher. And you know, just because you don't like
the guy on second, as long as you can, you know,
get him in and score runs, we can keep the

(01:36:01):
trains on the track.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
That's not football.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
Everybody's got to work with each other.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
I'm not saying everybody's got to like each other, but
you have to have a strong culture in place. And
if you have two starting quarterbacks, the old adage says
you have zero starting quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
Well, last year the Steelers had zero.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Starting quarterbacks and they were still able to have ten wins.
Can they do it with two guys competing for the
same spot? History will tell you no. So yeah, eight
and a half feels like an under.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Also, yeah, I would bet under on Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
I don't know, it's that one team right where I
get it. They're not sexy at all. They just aren't.
But it's not all offense, right, it's not just and
you do have weapons. You got George Pickens to throw
it to, you got Najie Harris in the backfield, you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Got eating I do. I think Brown it's a really
tough division.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
But even last year, I don't know how they beat
the Ravens at home.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
I was on the Ravens in that game. That's why
I remember. It was the ugliest win. I think. I've
the Steelers beat the Dolphins three nothing in that five
one in the division last year. That's insane this year.

Speaker 5 (01:37:16):
I would bet a million dollars under five four and
a half wins in the division this year.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
But that defense man, your guy, Joey Porter Junior, he's
saying jackdown.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
Quarter over here.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
T J.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Watt, you pick up Patrick Queen, linebacker from the Ravens. Good,
it's a good defense. You still have Cam Hayward doing
his thing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
He's ageless.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
That's a team that just you look up and you're like,
they've won four of five games.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
How did they do that? You know, and they're knocking
on the door of another winning season. It's crazy. Hey.

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Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
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I appreciate that. We'll give you the answer coming up.

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So Bruce Hornsby, Tupac, and Black Sabbath all made songs
entitled changes. Right, we're seeing that in college football over here.
So that's the tie in here. Now this might be

(01:38:57):
the latest change for college football.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
They got to pay these athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Right in the sec they've voted unanimously on a settlement
that would pay about twenty two percent of annual revenue
to the athletes. That would start this next that would
start next year if it's approved. So what are these
colleges doing. They're like, well, we got to make more cash.

(01:39:22):
We got to make more cash now that we're giving
some to the athletes over here. So one of the
things they're talking about corporate logos on the football field.
So there'd be one at the twenty five yard line,
another one at the other twenty five yard line, and
also at midfield. So what do you guys think instead

(01:39:43):
of I'm trying to think off the top of my head,
like the crimson a right, like at midfield for Alabama,
you know how they have it's just like home depot.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
That's literally what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
And also they might do the patches on the jersey, well,
corporate patches on player uniforms. Look, man, I think most
of this people freaked out in baseball when they used
to do this in the backdrop, and now it's just
it's normal. The only thing I really pushed back on
is corporate logos at midfield. I think that would look

(01:40:19):
odd because you're used to seeing like the LSU right
Like we went and visited LSU today, Mike the Tiger
right across from the stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
They've got the big Tiger at.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Midfield, and it's gonna be like a good Year logo
or whatever it ha.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
That's gonna be odd. I think that's a bit much.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Is the only thing I pushed back is advertising at midfield.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Big Ozzy Osbourne fan, big Black Sabbath fin you nice?

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Uh? Yeah great? I mean I dug you know, Black Sabbath.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
You know Crazy Train, but I dug the ballads too,
and Ozzy's later work, you know, changes was a good
one with sabbath, my mom coming home, when he went,
when he went solo. I love it all, but changes
starts out with these lyrics. I feel unhappy. I feel
so sad.

Speaker 4 (01:41:09):
I lost the best friend that ever had.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Wow, And that is how a lot of college football
fans feel right now. It feels like the rugs been
pulled right out from under your feet. It feels that
you've lost the best friend that you had. You know what,
as soon as it just sickened you, right as soon
as it just it just you know, you're reading too

(01:41:34):
many high, prized, entitled athletes just complaining about their working
conditions or the back to back flights in the NBA,
or the holdouts in the NFL or Major League Baseball
players considering a strike. Oh fooie, I'm going back to

(01:41:55):
college football.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
It's pure. These kids just want to play for the
love of the game. I want to go and I
want to talk about the big house and the swamp
and Happy Valley and I.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Just I just need to I just need to smell
the colosseum, the fresh cut grass, right and now that's
all been taken from us because there is no more purity.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
In college football.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
College football is impure, and maybe it always has been.
You know, it's a dirty little secret that maybe some
of these players have been getting paid all along. Okay, okay,
all right, but but that was away from the light
of day, you know, the disinfectant of the UV rays
of the sun, you know what I mean, whatever it is,
the eight minutes it takes for sunlight to hit earth.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
For some reason, all of these coaches.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Have been able to hide all of the uh, you know,
the naughty little things they were doing on the recruiting
trail under the rugs and under the couches before mom
and dad came home. So that when you know, college
football fans showed up and said, hey, Urban Meyer, are
we sure everything up and up?

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
Oh? Yes, yes, yes, nothing to see here. Okay, all right,
just check in. We're gonna we're gonna go back to
the pros for a little bit, but we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Come back and check in on you in August and
we're expected to see some wins for oh State.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Are we cool? Yeah, we're cool.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Okay, good, that's all been taken away from us, and
I think a lot of people are gonna have a
hard time with that in the coming years because college
football for the first time is going to feel just
as dirty as the pros. And that is that is
a change that a lot of people weren't ready to make.
But buckle up, we're here. We've arrived at that train station.

Speaker 5 (01:43:39):
I've said this for years, and I still think it's true,
but it's lesson to an extent. So I've been working
in sports now for almost twenty years. You know, graduated
college in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
So sixteen years. And in that time, I've become less
of a sports fan.

Speaker 5 (01:43:57):
I've become more of a savant, right like doing nerdy
spreadsheets and learning about the game.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
And I know more. I know it's it's the guys
are gonna it's the theme of the show Man. It's
all good.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Leave it through at the end of the season.

Speaker 5 (01:44:10):
But I've I've gotten a lot more educated on sports.
I know more about sports than I did when I
graduated college. But I don't love sports. In fact, I
love sports less. I love the Yankees a lot less.
I remember covering the Yankees and they were telling me
where I where I could and couldn't stand kicking me
out of the clubhouse because I was doing this and
you know, you see how the sausages made you.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
You know, don't meet your heroes.

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
Same thing with the Jets, like run like a circus
back there sometimes and like I just you know, that
childhood love for the teams that I grew up watching
faded over time.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
The one team that.

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
Hasn't faded in that passion is my love for mi
alma mater, Penn State football. But now it's changing, as
you guys have mentioned, like that that childhood love of
college football of Penn State, the team I grew up watching,
the team I adored until I eventually went there. It

(01:45:07):
doesn't feel the same way anymore because of all the
things that you guys are mentioning. And I think a
lot of college football fans, while the sport itself, especially
in the Southeast, is still culture religion in a sense,
I do think. I think the word I'm looking for
is sterilization. Like it's just it's business now, and when

(01:45:30):
things are run like a business, it's not as much passion,
it's not as much love.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
It's more bottom line.

Speaker 5 (01:45:38):
And I think that's just the reality of the world
that we live in with college football, and unfortunately it's
adapted like we have to get right to that method
of thinking where these kids are now participating in this
sport where it used to be for love of the game,
now it's for love of the dollar.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
And is that okay? Man? That's where we are right now.
I was a football college football culture in society.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
No interesting stuff, man, I got something to add to
it right around the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
First, though, we want.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
To add in the main ingredient, which would be not
just the healthy dash of I Low We're talking about
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Mike Brown not going to be craving too much more
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(01:46:48):
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(01:47:09):
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home runs in the month alone with twenty seven RBI
the Colorado Rockies if he did the Dodgers in LA
four to one, Padre scored nine runs at the top
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at Kansas City. San Diego's Luis Arrives four for five
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(01:47:32):
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(01:47:55):
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Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
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(01:48:47):
see it. So I was thinking about this. You guys
both made good points about where we're at with college football,
and I believe this for the longest. I think the
players should get it paid. They're the show, right, But
I also think this what you guys were saying made
me realize something you might be in favor of something

(01:49:07):
happening without being in favor of every layer associated with it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Perfect, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
So for college football, I think all three of us
are on board where man, these players generate billions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
They deserve their slice of the pie.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
But with that, well you might get a home depot
logo at midfield of these college.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
Stadium fields and you're like, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
So that's the thing is we all believe the players
should make a buck. They're generating the dollars. But along
with that comes some layers that you might be like.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Well that sucks. I don't I'm not in favor of that,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
So I think that's where all three of us are
at with this day and age of college football.

Speaker 3 (01:49:59):
It's so per then, it's so true because all I
am is wanting everybody to get their fair shake, but
at the expense of my enjoyment. And I know, Okay,
So I'm raising two kids. I have two boys, an
eight year old and a five year old, and I
know that one day here, pretty soon, I'm no longer

(01:50:22):
going to be their superhero. Right now, they look at
me like I'm a superhero. I can lift these kids
in the air. I can throw them around. I'm the
strongest person they know as far as they're concerned, I
could move heaven and earth. And in their eyes, I
mean in most young children's eyes, because you are both
the creator and the commander of their world. You're almost

(01:50:44):
godlike to children when you're their parents. But I know
that that's not gonna last forever. And I don't have
a god complex. I don't need to be in control
with people.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
I don't need to. It's not a part of my personality.
But I love these kids on conditionally. At some point
I'm gonna have to let go of this control. At
some point I'm gonna have to make them see what
harshness the world has to offer for them. They're gonna
have to go out there and make mistakes, and some
of them are gonna be hard mistakes, and some of

(01:51:17):
them are gonna break their hearts, and some of those
mistakes are going to feel world ending because everything is relative,
and at times, when you make a big enough mistake
and you're young enough and you haven't had enough experience,
it's going to break you before you can build yourself
back up. And that thought process torments me. I don't

(01:51:38):
want to do it, but I know I have to.
It's a part of the process. Where we're at with
college football is an unfortunate part of this process.

Speaker 4 (01:51:48):
It was coming. We all knew it was coming.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
This sport has somehow lived in its infancy for a
long time, and it's growing up and sometimes growing up.
Whether you're a parent looking at your kid growing up
or you're looking as a fan at college football growing up,
it's difficult, and it's stomach turning turning at times, and
you're gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
See a lot of mistakes made.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
But it's a part of the process, and we have
to do our job as fans to let that process
take place and to try to appreciate it in whatever
form it takes and try and try to enjoy it
as best we can as it evolves and matures and grows.
Because because this was this was the destiny from the jump.

Speaker 9 (01:52:36):
We weren't going to be able to see athletes operate
at this high of a level for the billions of
dollars that they're producing and never have a share in
those profits.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
The other shoe was going to drop eventually, and it has,
and so now we have to adjust to the new normal,
and the new normal is a maturity.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
At I don't think we're all ready for it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
Kind of feels like we're in that adolescent stage where
college football probably still needs us to dote over it,
like it's in its infancy still, and you know, it's
still just as pure as it used to be. But
then at times we need to back off and give
it space to have these kids driving around in Bentley's
and Ferraris and Lamborghini's on their college campuses while playing

(01:53:23):
at Goodyear Field at LSU Stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
You know it's gonna be weird. It's gonna be weird,
but we gotta kind of let it happen.

Speaker 5 (01:53:32):
That was so well said, because there's such a parental
aspect to this where.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
We don't want college football to grow up.

Speaker 5 (01:53:42):
No, but it is, and let's be honest it let's
turn it back as First of all, that was really
deep and heartfelt, and I appreciate you sharing that because
I'm sure that's hard for any parent.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
I know my mom went through that too.

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
But college football is going through puberty, and we need
to sit down and have the talk with college right
kind of where we're at right now, it's comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
It's very uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
We need to sit college football down and say, okay,
college football, we're gonna slap a home depot logo right
in the center, and there's gonna be things growing in
weird places that you don't know. But this is for
the best, because this is what growing up is all about.
It really was a very apropos metaphor, very well put.
I can't add much to it other than I just

(01:54:28):
hope Penn State doesn't slap like a like a you know,
some kind of weird, weird, you know, logo in the
middle of their field because they're all about the tradition.
But I think it's gonna happen, Like I think we're
gonna have to get used to Penn State. You know,
they're perfectly clean white helmets having an orange sticker of
some kind on it, Like it might happen, and it's
gonna be really weird for us to watch that. Remember

(01:54:50):
when they put names on the back of the uniforms. Rich, Yeah,
but they did it for a reason. It was a reason,
and they did it because they wanted to. We're gonna
have to be okay with change. It's gonna have to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Right, and some of that change you don't want associated
with it. It's so interesting to me because if you say,
should the players make a buck? It's like, yeah, absolutely,
they're bringing in all this money they should. Okay, well
you want to home depot at midfield?

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Not really, Well it's gonna happen. Do you want walk
ons to go away? Think about that. They're paying each
of these players. They want the rosters to be capped,
and you might not have as many walk ons or
any walk ons going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
You want that? It's like, well, I didn't know that
was part of.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
It, right, So those layers that you might not love
or be in favor in, when they're tied to what
overall you are in favor of, which is players making money.
It's crazy how it goes like that. But that's where
we're at with college football.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
We've got rich Oornberger Penn State All American. We've got
Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst, Penn State grad as well.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
I'm out numbered over here, right, No, I didn't go there, but.

Speaker 5 (01:56:01):
Oh yeah, what what logo are the Irish gonna put
on the middle of the jams logo?

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
Right in the middle of Jersey, Jersey. Don't touch the helmets.
That's with the helmets. Say it all right?

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Coming up next, rapid Fire. We each have three sterling
picks for you. Wool unveil them.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
Coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
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(01:56:43):
hour up on game. Keep it locked right here, t J. Hushman, Zada, Plexico, Burus.
They have got you absolutely covered. They begin in just
about ten minutes. All right, we got some picks to make.

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
Let's do it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:58):
Rapid Fire.

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
All right, Jared, We'll start with you. What are you
thinking today? So we're going Nerfy's guys, The Nerfey is
on fire. How about this?

Speaker 5 (01:57:07):
Sixty one percent in the month of May. That's the
most I've ever seen in a month. And I've been
doing this neurfy thing for like three years. So run
scorings down across baseball. Let's try to take advantage. Let's
start with the White Sox and the Brewers.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
Garrett Crochet has been great.

Speaker 5 (01:57:19):
I know the White Sox think Garrett Crochet is an
absolute rock star.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
Eleven and one to the Nerfey Robert.

Speaker 5 (01:57:24):
Gasser on the other side, hopefully he's got that gassing
fastball early. Don't love this Brewers lineup, especially against lefties,
and of course the White Socks are terrible, so White
Sox Brewers Neurfy also win blowing in at Wrigley Field today,
So let's go Nurfy. Red's Cubs love this pitching matchup.
Hunter Green nine and two to the Nerfy fireballer. I'll
throw at ninety eight miles an hour, maybe even touch

(01:57:45):
one hundred in the first inning against Justin Steele, who's
had a couple early hiccups in his return from injury,
but still one of the best pitchers on this Cub staff.
We will go Cubs and Red's Neurfy. And finally, how
about the Angels and the Mariners. I lost on this
Nerfy last night. Je Crawford touched up Soriano early on
in that game, but I like the lefty tonight Reed Detmers.

(01:58:05):
I think he'll get Jp Crawford at the top and
on the other side, Bryce Miller again, fireball pitcher for Seattle.
So we'll go Angels, Mariners, nerfee White Sox, Brewers, ner
fee Red's Cubs.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
A Nerfy parade here on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:58:21):
All right, all right, I'm gonna stay in baseball all
baseball today as well. Got the Saint Louis Cardinals starting
Sonny Gray. He has had a pretty tremendous season so far.
Nine starts, seven and two win loss two six era
won a whip.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
I'm gonna take him over six and.

Speaker 3 (01:58:40):
A half k's today in his game against the Phillies.
That's a good lineup, but he has serious swing and
miss stuff and he's on a great, great start to
the season. Moving on to Padres Royals this afternoon on
the West Coast. We got the Padres, who if you've
been paying close attention to their season, it's been a rollercoaster.

(01:59:00):
Any success is followed by disaster. They just won a
game last night, late innings, a lot of runners on base,
getting them home in the eighth. I say they run
out of gas today. It's gonna be a low offense
day for the Padres. I'm taking the under eight and
a half runs and sort of kind of insynchronicity with
that Muskrove on the mount for the pods.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
He doesn't have great swinging to miss stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
But the Royals are the hot, the second highest strikeouts
per game team in Major League Baseball. Some taking Muscrove
over four k's today over four strikeouts.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
Okay, all right, I got some baseball on the menu
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
You know we're going heavy baseball here. Give me the Mats.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
Give me on the muddy line minus one thirty five
against the d Backs today.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
You know they they turned the corner ever since.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
You know their pitcher threw his glove into the into
the stands hot like one in a row. Right, I'm
gonna take the Twins. Twins have looked. They're eight and
two in their last ten games. Houston not so great.
So give me the plus money Minnesota Twins plus one
ten at Houston and man, I I'd love to keep

(02:00:13):
going baseball over here, but I'm gonna look to the association.
You're gonna have to wait a few nights until Thursday
rolls around. I'm gonna double down Luka Doncic under thirty
and a half points in Game one, contrarian, No, We'll
see if it hits.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Everybody, have a great day.