Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk NBA Finals and Trevor Lawrence!

Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk about the Mavs blowout of the Celtics in Game 4 of the NBA Finals, the blown out of proportion story of Aaron Rodgers missing minicamp, the latest star athlete to delete all references to his team on social media, the latest gambling scandal, thoughts on Trevor Lawrence’s new contract, the latest on Caitlin Clark’s ongoing transition to the WNBA, the Big 12 looks to sell off the conference title, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to sports beat down City in game four
and maybe not the team that you expected.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Here.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
We'll get to that in just a minute. Here we
are broadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com studios. Hope
you're enjoying your Saturday here. Good morning, gentlemen. As the
Dallas Mavericks awoken, right, is that right? They awoken last
night to the tune of a thirty eight point beatdown
of the Boston Celtics. I mean, it's not shocking that

(00:33):
Dallas won a game and Boston again guilty. We've seen
this before in the playoffs where they just sort of
sleep walk. They don't bring the same force and same
energy as their opponent, but they got worked by thirty
eight points. Good lord. The question becomes, we don't think
this is gonna be a series, and Dallas has a
realistic chance of winning, but can they force a game six?

(00:55):
Do you see this series shifting back to Dallas after
Monday in Boston?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
No? And here's the reason why. And I know when
a blowout occurs, everybody starts looking at the tail of
the tape a little bit differently in these series, and
I understand why, because if things were even if everybody
was putting forth the same effort that they were in

(01:25):
Game one, two and three, and I'm talking about on
you know, the Boston Celtics side. Then this would be
enormously concerning for Boston. But that's not what happens when
you're getting blown out in the NBA, you know, because look,
it's not urgent. It just isn't when you have a
one and done playoff situation where you're down what was it,

(01:50):
twenty seven three, twenty eight three, the Brady come back
in the Super Bowl, where something looks so desperate that
you would say, well, there's no way the Falcon lose
this game. But you have to keep hope alive and
you have to keep fighting, you have to keep digging
yourself out of that hole because you only get one
game in the NFL. Well, the problem with the NBA,

(02:13):
and it's been something that I've talked about many times
over the years, is you don't just get one game.
There is a lack of urgency. This is a part
of a series. And so you can have a team
lose by fifty points and it doesn't really matter because
guess what, they can wake up Monday morning and they
can close out this series against the MAVs, and they

(02:35):
could blow them out. It's as simple as that, you know,
so don't based on one game alone where Luka Doncic
was on was absolutely on fire, and we know he's
capable of doing that. It was the best game he's
played arguably all playoffs long. And you post up the
sort of numbers that they did against Boston, I think

(02:56):
Boston kind of rolled over in this one. I just
don't think that they play like themselves. I don't think
that this team. I don't think it's necessarily a sign
of things to come, but I don't think this team
looked like themselves at all. And I think they kind
of knew, Hey, with three games cushion, if we if
we lose one here on the road to Dallas, is

(03:18):
it the worst thing in the world. And answer is no,
it's not. So I think that attitude, unfortunately for Joe
Missoula and the franchise in the organization, it proliferated the
locker room and the results are the results. But I
think it was that lack of urgency that created such
a lopsided blowout.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, that's why they call it a gentleman sweep, right, Yeah, exactly,
very gentlemanly.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Last night, Dallas showed that they are part of the
part of the conversation. They have a seat at the table.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
But it's like when you go to Thanksgiving dinner and
like you get the worst seat, right, Like.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
You finally you know you're not a kid anymore.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
You get to sit at the table, but you have
to sit at the end, and you've got to sit
next to the uncle who, like you know, might talk
your ear off for like three hours about something stupid, but.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
You still get the seat at the table.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
We get to talk about this for another two days.
Number in game five looks hair shaded towards Dallas, like
we were seeing seven seven and a half's for games.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
One and two.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Now we are on the other side of let's be honest,
the key number, right, We've seen this series land seven
already in earlier games, so seven's an important number in basketball,
and that's kind of where the number opened for.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
And we get two.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Days off too, so we get the extra day, which
we all love, right, we get to extend and I'm
sure that's why, Honestly, I think that's why I was
really and we're going back and forth in the group
chat last night about just you know, Dallas's odds of
winning this game and what the odds actually were, and
you know, the league really.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Wanting to extend the season. A couple of days. There
were some people I was going back and forth with
on social media just you know, I no one wants
to bet Dallas today. Wouldn't be shocked if they ended
up playing well. But this is what Boston was.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
This is why I didn't think they were gonna sweep
Indiana because I thought we were gonna get one of
these games because they don't have that killer instinct and
the series is still alive and Dallas.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Technically still has a chance to come back.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
If they're able to figure out a way to pull
out Game five, that's when the urgency level really starts
to rise. So I think Boston and this could be
an interesting angle for Game five. I think Boston comes
out and the way that they come out and start
Game five is gonna be very intriguing. If Dallas is

(05:51):
in that game, unlike last night where it was over
after the first quarter, really first half. If Dallas is
in that game, the longer Dowdallas is in Game five,
and the longer that that game is close, the more
intriguing the series guts.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Even if they.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Don't win it, even if it's just a close game
down to the end, we get a buzzer beater or
something or something really close to the end of game five.
But the longer they're in it, that's when the belief
level will start to rise, because you're right, Rich, twenty
eight to three is a random shot in the dark.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
It doesn't happen often.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
But they came back and they won that Super Bowl.
We're kind of still in twenty eight three mode right now.
They haven't even gotten off the deck yet. Frankly, I
think that win was just kind of the gentleman's sweep.
And if they're in it in game five and it's close,
and we got ourselves a tight series, tight game, then
I'll start to believe that Dallas can come back and
make this interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well, listen, over the years, you see this time and
time again, whether it's football, basketball, baseball, whatever sport you're
talking about, the power of embarrassment is a real thing,
and you saw that last night. Dallas got punked the
first three games. They're down three games to none. Brian
Windhorst went berserk on this is after Game three, so

(07:04):
right when Dallas, Uh, Luca filed out of Game three, right,
and Dallas lost that game and they're down three to
nothing in the series. And this was a portion of
what Windhorst had to say on Sports Center with SVP.
His defensive performance is unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
He is a hole on the court. The Celtics are
attacking him.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
They are ahead in this series because they have attacked
him defensively.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, when someone says you're a hole on the court, wow,
which is true? Which is absolutely true? And everything that
Windhorst said about Dallas, where Luca's got to stop complaining
all the time about the officiating and he has got
to lock normal do his job. He takes it to

(07:47):
the extreme. Agree, he is the gold standard for whining
and complaining and it getting him off of his game.
So for Windhors to call him out, Luca had to
do a sit down interview after that with Malika Andrews
of ESPN. How often do you see that we're a
guy down three games to none in a series? Does

(08:09):
this sit down interview with ESPN? It never happens, And
yet Luca had to do that because the power of
embarrassment and you saw Dallas come out and smack around Boston.
So now the embarrassment shifts. You had Boston get punked.
They only scored eighty four points. That's a season low
regular season postseason. Think about that in the regular season,

(08:31):
some random game in November when all the big guns
are resting. They never got They only had eighty four
points scored in a game like that, So they got
punked in Game four. I expect Boston to come out
with force energy and look to close it down in
Game five. It is gonna be extremely uphill for Dallas
to get Game five on the road.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
One hundred and fifty seven. And I know we've brought
this stat up before, but one hundred and fifty seven
teams have in an three to hole and none of
them have come back and won a series in the
NBA postseason. One one hundred and fifty seven. So when

(09:12):
you think about that, if the Mavericks even have a
snowballs chance to get this series win and hoist the
Lary O'Brien Trophy, it is going to take something cataclysmic
happening on Boston side or something frankly so magnificent on
Dallas's side. It would literally be something we've never seen,

(09:36):
because again it's not just the fact that you have
to overcome some pretty significant odds to win this series,
but also the fact that usually the reason why a
team drops to zero to three against their opponent is
because they're not as good as their opponent. I think
that's pretty clear after watching four games and again as

(09:59):
an ho outlier, seeing what Luke is able to do
and Kyrie what they're able to do. When the pieces
all come together and Boston plays their worst basketball game,
yeah you can. You can have a blowout situation. But
I think because this game did didn't operate in a vacuum.
It wasn't one off. You know, hey it's it's win

(10:20):
and get in, or hey it's it's it's game seven.
You know where where the series is even and here
we go. Let's see. It felt like Boston rolled over
a little bit because they knew they had him in
in Boston on Monday, and so you can let one
slip by, and the gentleman sweep thing is a real thing.

(10:42):
It's like, hey, you know what, let's let him get one.
Is it gonna kill us if we if this series
goes on for one more game, that's that's the attitude
that I felt. That was the energy that I felt
from Boston. And and to their credit, they're right now
they better finish this series otherwise they'll allow the Mavericks
to do something literally that's never been done before in

(11:05):
the history of the sport. But but that's the energy
I felt from Boston.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, that would be.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
That'd be a fun like if we're still talking about
this yearies will we won't be because I think the
game When would Game seven be?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Would it be next Friday? I don't have the schedule
in front of me, but either the twenty third, So
let's see, so it would be it would be next Sunday.
That would be it would be the following Sunday.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
So if we let's should we make a bet that
we're not talking about this series on next Saturday show?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Like, what are the odds that we get a Game seven?
You're right?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Game seven would be next Sunday, June twenty third. That
would be absolutely bananas, no, listen, I right? And I
talk about this in gambling a lot, like when when
you get a bad beat or if something wrong happens
during a game, and like something like you know, like
the game's playing out as you expect it to or
as the odds expected to, and then it takes a

(12:01):
left turn like something crazy fluky happens, But then the
result still ends up to be where the game was
going in and that crazy fluky thing didn't change the
result of the game. I say the right result took place,
like I think the right result it was Boston winning
this series like like that. That has not been in

(12:23):
debate for frankly the last two months. Like Boston's been
the best team. They were odds on to win the
Eastern Conference way early on in the playoffs, earlier on
than you could even expect. I think it was even
maybe at the end of the regular season. They were
odds on, meaning a minus sign next to their name,
meaning more than fifty percent chance that they were going

(12:44):
to win the conference and make it to the finals.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Once they got to that.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Mid point in the postseason where they were just kind
of cruising right, they got past the Miami series, Cleveland
was banged up to be like, all right, this team's
going to the Eastern Conference finals, and you know they're
probably gonna make it to the finals. That's when you
started to see odds on to win the whole kitten kaboodle.
So this has been the right result for weeks now,
and it's just we just have to kind of go

(13:09):
down the road and kind of go through the motions.
And Boston definitely looked like they were going through the
motions last night that first quarter. And my guess is,
I don't think I don't know if we get quarter
lines out yet.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Usually we don't get those till closer to the game.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Actually, no, bet MGM's got them up. Yeah, Boston minus
two and a half in the first quarter. You can
always kind of tell where the market's shaded based on
the first quarter number. For example, in Game three, Boston
was like a point two point favorite. They were a
point two point favorite in the first quarter, and so
you can kind of see that, Okay, we expect Boston
to come out really strong. They're basically a three point

(13:43):
favorite in the first quarter and a six and a
half point favorite for the game. Again, if you're just
dividing it up by quarters, that math ain't math in.
But it's kind of the market telling you that we
expect Boston to come out really strong.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
You're gonna have to pay a peap.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Premium if you want to bet them in the first
quarter because of everything we're saying right through the motions
in game three or Game four. Now they come back home,
we expect a really strong performance right out of the gate.
If Dallas is in this game after the first half,
I think again that's where the pressure of the urgency

(14:16):
starts to rise. I think Boston still gets one half
to kind of figure it out. And if they look
like Boston again like they did earlier in the playoffs,
especially earlier in this series at home, then I think
we're gonna be okay here. But man, it would be something.
If we're still talking about this series next Saturday.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, we won't. It'll just be a reek. Yeah, our
trust the producer Bo Benson has something for us here.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah. I got into my time machine for you guys,
So I actually know exactly what's gonna happen. If you'd
want me to tell you guys.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Please, do you have the scripture?

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yeah, Tomorrow you're going to see the Boston Celtics twitter
account send out a tweet saying you asked for it
and you got it, and they're gonna announce they're wearing
green jerseys at home on Monday and then they're gonna
win by thirty five points and they wanted They very
clearly went to clinch at home. And I'll also give
you this, Jason Tatum will not only recreate the Kobe picture,

(15:06):
but he will also at some point say anything as
possible in the postgame interview.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
Is this like, uh, yeah, you're gonna it was the
series after the Yeah, they beat the Suns and Kobe
kind of like took his jersey and moved it to
the side, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I remember, is that the Kobe picture, the one of.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Him, unfortunately talking about, is the one where he's like
wearing the big old jacket and holding the trophy very forlornly.
I believe that's because he was fighting with his parents
at the time, but nobody ever mentions that.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yea, is that the picture that Caitlin Clark tried to recreate?

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I hope not, and nobody should try to do that.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
But it's just kind of like sitting with the trophy,
you know, in his locker, or yeah, that's that's the one.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
If if she did that, then I will be fighting
Iowa Sam off the so she did yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Sorry sorry.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Alternatively, we could get the h I used to pray
for times like this.

Speaker 8 (16:03):
Jordan, Oh oh yeah, just trying.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Over it with his dad. His late father was right
next to him. And now, yeah, they beat the Lakers. Sure.
I just want to say, real fast, can we, like,
going forward, for the NBA Finals or any series, can
we just put the day of the week along with
the date? You know what I'm saying. So, for instance,
for this series, it'll say and they'll flash it on

(16:30):
the screen or it'll be on a website. It'll be
like Sunday, Wednesday, Friday, and then it'll be like six seventeen,
six twenty, and you're like, great, I have to do math,
all right, let me figure today's the fifteenth. It's a Saturday, Sunday. Okay,
seventeenth is Monday eighteenth, nineteenth. I don't need calendar. Why

(16:54):
don't they just put the day of the week along
with Why can't they do that? Right?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, goodness, let's get that go. I don't want to
be worried about the quotient when I'm trying to figure
out when the finals are one. You see, Yeah, I'm
completely with it.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's usually two Days're trying to stretch this thing out
as long as possible.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
One other thing to keep in mind, so I use
Microsoft Word a lot for like my notes and stuff,
and every now and then it just crashes. And it
did that right before the show, so I had to
restart everything and my yeah, my old notes from last
week popped up. And the first segment last week was

(17:35):
Celtic's clabber the MAVs in game one. Right, so think
about last night, like the Mavericks kill them by thirty eight.
You're like, oh, I don't know, you have a little momentum.
Just remind yourself in game one. Celtic's clabbered the MAVs
in that game, So it's gonna be extremely uphill for
Dallas to get that one. Hey, we're off and running.
We've got Rich Ornberger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith

(17:58):
FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian and know coming up, you
guys are breaking bad fans, right I am?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
You better call absolutely?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yes, I'm assuming you loved Tuco grow Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
he said to Walt in Breaking Bad. Talk is talk,
and that has something to do with one specific NFL
player right around the corner. We'll get to that. It
is Fox Sports Saturday, right, here on Fox Sports Radio.

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To seven pm Eastern. But here's the thing.

Speaker 9 (18:50):
We never have enough time to get to everything we
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
To, and that's why we have a brand new podcast
called over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun
in our two hour show. We never get to everything,
honestly because this guy is over promising things we never
have time for. Yeah, you blober list me. Well you
know what it's called over promise.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
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promising women for years.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
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life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing
about something or we didn't have enough time, it will
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wherever you get your podcasts. It is Fox Sports Saturday
right here on Fox Sports Radio. So yeah, we've got
a Twoco for Breaking Bad making it into the show

(19:57):
here today because I thought if Tuco because of Aaron Rodgers,
the Jets quarterback, he missed Jets Mini camp this week,
And just like Tuco said in Breaking Bad, I love
this line. Talk is talk. You can talk a good game,
but do you back it up? So Aaron Rodgers, this

(20:20):
is this quote from January. Okay, if you want to
be a winning organization and put yourself in position to
win championships and be competitive, everything that you do matters,
and the bull stuff that and the bs that is
nothing to do with winning needs to get out of
the building. Okay. That was his quote in January. And

(20:42):
then mini camp rolls around and Rogers is like, oh,
I got a trip. I want to take a trip.
I've got a very important engagement that I want to
be there for and we don't know what it was.
We don't have any details. All that we know is
the head coach, Robert Salas said it's okay. Most of
the teammates seem to be okay with it. But that's

(21:04):
the thing is, you can't have both things. You can't
have a quote from January and say that everything that
you do matters and then you just miss Mini Caamp.
You know what I mean, Like, don't make that quote,
don't say that in the first place and miss okay
or right, like, you can't say it and miss it.

(21:25):
Can't be both of those things. Either don't miss Mini
Caamp or don't say the quote in January. Am I
wrong about that? I don't think he can have it
both ways.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
No, I get what you're saying. I just think that
we're we're thinking the standard is the standard that we
would set or I would say that like a normal
coach or quarterback would set for themselves or for their team.
I think Aaron Rodgers is a very different guy, and
so well, I agree with you. It's going to me

(21:56):
be misunderstood and it's going to be misconstrued away from
what Aaron wants a quote like that to dictate to everybody.
But he's truly doing And this is my guess, because
my guess is we're gonna hear about some sort of
spiritually edifying journey that he had to go on, whether

(22:19):
it was some sort of darkness retreat or some you know,
trip to the rainforest to get high with the shaman
so that he could see his third eye or whatever.
And listen, and by the way, I'm not even making
fun I mean, these are things that people have actually
said about these I think that's where he is.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I think he nailed it.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, So whatever whatever he is doing right now, I
promise you he believes fullheartedly that this is what's best
for the team. That if he is a fully actualized
human being walking into the locker room come game one
for you know, the twenty twenty four season with the

(22:59):
New York Jet, the better the Jets are gonna be.
And so this is something that's he's had on the calendar.
And whether he explained that to the Jets ahead of
time or not, okay, I mean that's between them and him.
I guess, you know, could they have moved the mini
camp dates around. Maybe do you really want to move
the dates around the calendar for one player and one

(23:21):
player alone? Maybe not. But I look at this as
being one of those things that you have to take
the good with the bad. The bad is, you know,
obviously at his age, there's a potential of injury, and
that proneness may grow over time, and we saw an
example of a freak injury last season. Now, I don't
think it matters how old you are. He would have

(23:43):
torn his achilles either way, you know, getting tackled the
way he was getting tackled, whether he was a thirty
year old quarterback or a quarterback nearing forty. But when
it comes to Aaron Rodgers specifically, you got to take
the good with the bad. If you consider bad, well,
there are gonna be times in the offseason he's unavailable

(24:04):
because he is globe trotting, finding trying to find the
reasons that we're all here on this planet, or a
UFO hunting or whatever the hell he needs to do.
Well that that then you got to take that bed
for the good play that you're you're promised or you're
hoping for. On the other side of all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, he's looking for sasquash.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Maybe do you guys want I'll give you the option here.
Do you want my Jets fandom opinion on this or
my unbiased and betting analyst opinion, unbiased, unbiased opinion. This
is a non story, complete, non story, nothing burger, and
we won't be talking about it in three months.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Frankly, in three weeks. The Jets fandom in.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Me is a little bit peeved, like just like, come on, man,
like it's one of those moments as a Jets fan. Now,
my Jets fandom, I would if I had to, like
allocate and how much of my brain these days is
dedicated towards being a Jets fan compared to being an
unbiased NFL analyst, I would estimate around a half percent,

(25:10):
maybe maybe three quarters of a percent. Like, I still
care about the Jets. I want them to win. When
they win, I'm happy, my family's happy. But they don't
have an impact on my life like they did when
I was a kid. This, what I'm doing now with you,
fine folks, is really the big impact of my life.
So let's look at it from that perspective. I'll read

(25:31):
you a tweet from the best player on the Jets
besides Aaron Rodgers Sauce Gardner.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
And this is from two days ago.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Are y'all really making a big deal because of a
fifteen plus year Hall of Fame quarterback miss two days
of practice after being with the team all throughout days one, two, three,
and OTAs. I think that's kind of the reasonable approach here.
And that's how I feel about the big picture of this.
Here's the micro from an analyst perspective that I really

(25:58):
dislike Robert Sala just needs to like not be in
front of a microphone for the rest of like the summer.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Like I know that's not gonna happen, but he made
it worse.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, like like he did.

Speaker 8 (26:12):
That's this is a So if we're really being honest.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
About what the Jets are, Robert sal is not in
the position of power here. It's Aaron Rodgers. I'm not
saying he's the head coach. I'm not saying he makes
decisions like a head coach. But when push comes to
shove at the end of the day, the buck stops
with Aaron Rodgers. If he says he needs something or

(26:38):
this has to happen, it's going to happen. And I
think Robert sal is kind of like still trying to
be the head coach when we all know that he
doesn't have the kind of power that Aaron does behind
the scenes. Like I just I think that's how I
feel about the Jets right now, like Aaron's in charge,
Like whatever you need, Aaron. Last year, it was go

(26:59):
out and get all these guys, but you know you
needed didn't work out, And I think that's why it's
not happening in that way this year. And I think,
you know, the Jets are going in a different direction
with some of their other players, their skill guys, and
I'm happy with that decision. But Robert made it like
he poured gasoline on the fire with that interview. We're
talking about the interview that he gave and we're quoting that.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know, you know, the kind of oh well, we
you know.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
We talked to him and everything's great, but this is
this and to me, that interview made it worse. So
I'm fine with what happened, Like it's not my ideal
situation as a Jets fans, as an analyst, I think
you'd rather have Aaron at practice.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
But this is not going to be a story in
two weeks. I'll tell you who is going to be
a story in two weeks, in two months, in two years,
in two decades. That would be Isaac Loewen Crawn. Okay,
and I could have gone two centuries as well. I
see the short change.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
I see you've been checking out TMZ this morning, and
the answer is I have no comment.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Enough.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
You gotta stop hanging out with Ornberger, is all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Oh yeah, blowing too much pork shoulder.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Torching.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Those things really need to come with better instruction. Made
like to take this time to apologize to all the
local fire departments in the area and frankly all the.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Pork shoulder also.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Oah, man, I hate to see all that go to waste. Anyway,
Fellas and Game four of the NBA Finals on Friday night,
the Boston Celtics had a clenching opportunity go to waste
because the Dallas Mavericks blow them out by thirty eight
points one. Twenty two to eighty four is the third
largest blowout in Finals history. Boston still leaves the series

(28:43):
three games to one, with Game five on Monday at Boston.
Instead of me giving you details, I think it would
be better if instead I related the analysis of Magic
Johnson's tweets on Game four of the Finals, as he
posted quote, Dallas raised their intensity and played a lot

(29:05):
more physical on the defensive end. Luca and Kyrie played
like stars with twenty nine and twenty one points respectively.
I can't wait to see what happens back in Boston
Monday night. Exclamation point unquote. Really anyway elsewhere? After Game four,
Charles Barkley had an announcement of his own.

Speaker 10 (29:27):
You know, that's been a lot of noise around on
network the last few months, and I just want to say,
I've talked to all the other networks, but I ain't
going nowhere other than TNT. But I have made the
decision myself, no matter what happens, next year is going
to be my last year on television.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Indeed, terrible news for basketball fans. After two rounds of
the US Open, Sweden's Ludwig o'bert has deleted five under
par overall, one shot ahead of Bryson to Shambo, Patrick
Cantley and Belgium's Thomas D. Tree. Baseball Friday Night Dodgers
over the Worlds four to three. Freddie Freeman to go
ahead RBI single on the bottom of the eighth inning,

(30:07):
Angels one in San Francisco eight to six Mariners over
the Texas Rangers three to two. Seattle is one fourteen
out of nineteen. Back to three. Guys, now, who are
the absolute opposite of torrible? All yours?

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Thank you? I loove appreciate that it is terrible news.
With Charles going away, he's the best.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
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right after we get off the air. Some bad news,
some bad news. This is the new way to negotiate

(30:50):
in sports in this day and age is if you're
in a contract dispute, just wipe all mention of your
team from social media. And that has happened with Clay Thompson,
one of the Splash Brothers. Clay Thompson has wiped all
things related to the Golden State Warriors from his IG account.

(31:13):
Does that not sound how? What much more twenty twenty four.
Can you get than a player? This being Klay Thompson
scrubbing the Warriors from his ig and it's like, oh, okay,
the clubs are off right now. Now we're trying to
really come down to negotiating tactics over here. It's happened

(31:33):
many times, right, didn't Deebo Samuel do the same thing?
And he's looking for a deal in the Bay Area.
Has happened time and time again.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I'm not surprised by it. But for Klay Thompson, I
don't know. I don't think new school with Clay, and
that's not a dis It's just been a great player
for so long. This is such a new school tactic
that when Clay does it, I'm like, oh no, they
got to Clay too. He's wiping the Warriors from his eye. Gee,
we can't do anything about this going forward? You know,

(32:03):
this is the new way?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah? It really does feel like it is kind of
an old dog learning new tricks and it feels weird. Right.
You know, you have a thirteen year old labrador you've
never seen roll over and all of a sudden he
comes home from the from from the aunt and uncle's
house who was watching it on a two week vacation,
and it can roll over for treats. Now You're like,

(32:25):
where did this come from? You know what I mean?
Like you're gonna break a hip, you know, like you're
not a young pup anymore. You can't you can't be
scrubbing your Instagram account. You're gonna break your hip looking
for that treat. Why don't we just slow down? Clay?
All right? Remember remember who you are, Remember what you've
done for this organization and what this organization has done

(32:45):
for you. And I get it. There was a little
bit of a blood letting a couple of years ago.
There's not as many familiar faces in the front office.
They're they're in a new home, you know, they recently
recently during his career, they move from Oakland to San Francisco,
So there's a lot new, there's a lot different, and

(33:05):
maybe also he's been treated differently because you know, he
hasn't been Klay Thompson. He hasn't been the splash brother
he was. And when you start doing the math and
you start thinking about, you know, can we let Clay

(33:26):
play for a different team? Is this going to be
a one and done career for Clay, Is it all
that important to the organization that he plays anywhere else?
I think the answer is, and he's probably feeling this well,
Steph's the priority. Let's make sure Steph doesn't play anywhere else.
And I think unfortunately for Klay Thompson, he's always played

(33:49):
step brother to Steph Curry in this organization. I'm not
saying he wasn't paid well and I'm not saying he
didn't get a lot of the acclaim because we know
Klay Thompson in the postseason and what He's still delivered
this team time and time and time again. But let's
be honest. This is Steph's team, and this is this
is very much, you know, the wingman potentially trying to

(34:12):
step into the spotlight or maybe trying to wring the
sponge one last time before his career ends. And this
is this is the technique or the tactic that he
wants to apply the pressure to the organization with. I
don't know, but it does feel weird, going back to
your original point, Brian, like they got to Clay. He's

(34:34):
doing this now, scrubbing the Instagram account. It feels it
feels very strange that it's it's Klay Thompson and he's
doing it against the Golden State Wars.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
I'm okay with him doing that.

Speaker 8 (34:45):
I think this is this is what they do, this
is what the kids do these days.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
And Clay's thirty four. I mean, I'm thirty eight. It's
not exactly like he's not like a kid, but this
is this is what this is what I would probably do,
like put your I'm trying to put myself in these players' shoes.
Like they're frustrated they can't control, right, We always say
control what you can control. Can't really control the offer

(35:08):
that the Warriors make or the offers that other teams make,
And the one thing you can.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Control is who you follow on social media.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Like it's just it like it like that argument for
doing what Clay and a lot of other athletes have done,
it makes sense to me logically, like you can't control
anything else that's happening around you, but I can control
my social media timeline. I have direct control over that,
what I see, who I follow, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
So I'm gonna focus on that now.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Is it a short sighted, immature thing that you can control?

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yes, yes, social media at its core.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Is the lowest common denominator of society. But that's what
it is, and that's the reality that we live in.
So I'm okay with with with him doing this and
and and I don't want to even call it acting out.

Speaker 8 (35:54):
He's just kind of again controlling what he can control.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
I think the question is going forward, how it impacts
the negotiation process, right, Like, I don't know if there
already is a conclusion and we're just kind of waiting
for the chips to fall. Maybe we're waiting for the
finals to end before we get an announcement. You know,
a lot of times players don't like to make unless

(36:18):
you're Alex Rodriguez, make those gigantic, big moves in the
middle of the finals. So I think that is where
my brain goes to first, is like we might already
know the end of this story. We're just waiting for
the you know, the final shoot to drop between Boston
and Dallas. But I think it makes sense for him
to leave if you think about what he's accomplished and
where the Warriors are as a franchise, Like, I mean,

(36:40):
he's been there, what thirteen years, It's a long time
to be with one franchise in professional sports. I mean
I can probably count on one hand in the last
decade the amount of NBA players that have been with
a team for thirteen years have there. I mean, who
other than maybe Steph on the other side, Like, there's
just not a lot of play.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Even Lebron, like he bounced around a bunch of teams.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
So I think there's there's something to be said about
the longevity he's been there, and it wouldn't be a
surprising outcome if after thirteen years he moved on. But yeah,
social media stuff, eh, kids are kids, right.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
That's Jared Smith FSR betting analyst rich Ornberger, Penn State,
All American with us here. I'm Brian No coming up next,
the Parley Platter. Okay, Jared Smith has been hard at work.
He will unveil his hard work for you next. It
is Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio. It
is Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio. Jared

(37:33):
Smith has been hard at work. Let's get to this.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
Check this out, Harlay Flatter.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Okay, Jared, what do you have for us today? Buddy? Well,
we're gon doing something new today.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
I try I've been dabbling with these in the lab
again the experiment. It's almost like, you know, you're trying
to put all the concoctions together and get the smoke
to be perfect. At Yeah, we're gonna try something today.
This is an SGP plus, all right, what is that mean? Well,
we know about what an SGP is, right, same game parlay.
This is an SGP plus. So we're gonna have a

(38:06):
same game parlay. We're gonna have a total in a
baseball game. We're gonna have a first five and a
full game total parlay. Parlay that together, and then we're
gonna add on a little extra on the side to
make our odds a little higher.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
If you're gonna have to wait an extra day for it, it'll.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Be in the NBA game.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Actually wait two extra days for it. But I think
it'll be worth it at the end of the show,
at the end of the rainbow.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
So let's get to it.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Let's start with the SGP portion before we get to
the plus. We're gonna isolate the Rangers Mariners game. This
game we played around four o'clock up Pacific today.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Really good pitching matchup.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
You might hear a little bit more about it later
in the show. During rapid fire when we get to
the Europie Nerfe portion of the program. But I do
think this is going to be an under game. So
we're gonna take the first five under in Rangers Mariners.
We're gonna parlay it with the full game under, kind
of like what we did last week with that wacky
London game, which probably should have stayed under the first

(38:58):
five total if Sean and I didn't have like meltdown
in the fourth inning.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
But that's okay, we move on to this game.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Of all these been fantastic for Texas, Kirby's been fantastic
for Seattle. Again, not very high level analysis there. These
teams have been under teams the whole year. If you
can bind the unders for Texas and Seattle this year,
eighty three and fifty three on the season. In this
particular series, it has been a low scoring series, eight
one and one to the under in the last ten

(39:26):
meetings between the Rangers and the Mariners. Get a little weather
in Seattle tonight, it's like fifty degrees Chile in the
Pacific Northwest.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Feels like an undergame.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
So we'll take the first five full game under Texas Seattle.
We'll put that to the side, the plus portion of
the parle. It's very simple, gentlemen. Celtics win on Monday night,
that's it. Celtics money line will PLoP that in there again.
You throw and smash these SGP plus legs together plus
two seventeen, which feels.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Like a bet.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Hey, I know it's not the juiciest bet out there,
but it feels like a bet that I'm gonna get
some value on because I think this Boston number.

Speaker 8 (40:01):
As we get to Monday, you will see.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Some hand'll come in on the Celtics, and I think
this number will close north of minus three hundred. So
first inning total Rangers Mariners under three and a half,
full game total Rangers Mariners under six and a half,
and the Celtics on the money line in Game five
plus two seventeen, the first ever SGP plus here on

(40:25):
the show.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Wow, I like it.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
You know, combine different sports. You gotta feel very confident
about Boston just ending the game outright, that's the anchor
leg right.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
So it's about the baseball stuff coming through today, yep,
and you're looking great.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, I like unders in baseball. I was just looking
at this a little bit closer It's amazing how many
unders when you start doing same game parlays and things
like this or Nerfy's like, how many of the unders
actually do hit?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
And you want to correlate them too, under first five,
higher chance at the full game stage on.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yep, yeah, all right, come it up next. The cover
up makes the crime worse. A very interesting story that
we will hit on right around the corner. Ah, yes,
hope you're enjoying your Saturday morning here. Before we get
to a cover up and a crime in the world
of baseball, how about the US Open. We're about to

(41:27):
tee it up over here, right, Scotty Scheffler barely barely
making the cut, the world's number one golfer. What was
he plus four yesterday and just sneaks in at plus
five overall? No Tiger Woods, he didn't make the cut.
Anything that is of interest to you with the US
Open so far?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, certainly waiting for the first arrest tradition at every major.

Speaker 8 (42:00):
Carolina right or straight shooters down.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
There at Louisville. He got arrested, and then what did
he shoot? Like a sixty six that day? I'm telling
you that the first two days maybe he would have
shot under goodness.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, Lizen. Yeah, like golfers, it's different, right. You know,
you play basketball, you need to get into a three
to zero hole sometime for like for for Luca Docs
to show one of these golfers needs to be put
in silver bracelets this week to make a run at
the leader board. That's how it goes.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah, I really like So. I was talking about this yesterday.
I was doing a Doug Golips podcast and we were
talking about a couple of the guys at the top.
I think the Oldberg kids really got the temperament to
win a major. I mean, he was second at the Masters,
he was in the Ryder Cup before he even competed
in a major. It's very rare for a young golfer
to make the Ryder Cup team before he even competes

(42:49):
in a major. So again, the temperament I think fits.
I like the Bryson story, though I'm kind of over
the Rory stuff. I know he was in the news
recently about you know, his divorce or not getting divorced
or whatever his personal life. Like, I think it's hard
to overcome distractions when you're golfing. Golfing such a mental sport,
so as much as I love Rory, and you know,

(43:10):
I know he's still seeking that that fifth major. He
hasn't it's been a while, But I think I think
the two guys at the top now, Bryson and and
and Oberg are are kind of the two picks to
click for me. Cantley's got the temperament too, but I
don't know something about his Sunday demeanor at a major.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
I just he he hasn't gotten over the hump yet.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
He hasn't really had that moment yet, whereas Bryson obviously had.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Multiple moments, and Oberg.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
I think I think the main the Master's performance really
opened my eyes to his game, and those will be
my two picks right now if you want to get
some money down on the Open this weekend.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I thought it was interesting what Tiger was talking about,
just this being the catch twenty two stage of his career,
where he said, look, if I prepare as much as
I want to before a Major, my body might betray me.
I'm paraphrasing. He's like, I might not be healthy enough
to compete in the tournament. So if I sort of

(44:08):
back off all the training, then I'm not as prepared
and I'm not as sharp, but I'm healthy to compete
in the tournament. So that's just where Tiger is at
this stage of his career. And missed the cut just
a couple of strokes off getting there. He didn't get
a hole in one on eighteen right to sneak in there.
That was amazing, right with the franchise, Yeah, Mulinari got

(44:32):
the hole in one on eighteen to barely make the
cuts wild actually, and you know how much money that
is for these guys.

Speaker 8 (44:39):
Incredible amount of money a lot that shot wud absolutely.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
You know, And just in terms of difficulty or a
degree of difficulty in terms of us opens, the course
set up, the length of the rough, the length of
the fair way, the greens are almost unfair, how they're pitched.
I think, the work that goes in by the USGA.

(45:07):
It used to drive me crazy. But now as I've
watched golf for a handful more years after first becoming
aware of it and really caring about it. When Tiger Woods,
you know, got on tour and started his run in
the nineties, I used to watch and I love to
see pros shoot way under part right, It used to

(45:28):
be amazing to see these pros do things that you know,
destroy courses that I would shoot, you know, one hundred
and ten on the they're out there, you know, shooting
is sixty six. But the reality of the USGA is
their goal, their stated goal on every US Open is
to have the winner shoot par and that means think

(45:50):
about what that means. That means the rest of the
field is over par, like the rest of the field
is in the plus. I think that's a really unique
part of this major that doesn't get spoken about a
lot because, look, the Masters is historic because of Augusta National.
It's just we've seen every single pro that you've fallen
in love with play at that course year in year out.

(46:13):
You know. The British Open or the Open Championship we
now call it, it has its charm because that's really
the cradle of golf, that's where it all started out there,
you know, in terms of the players or the PGA Championship.
I don't think it has the luster that even the
US Open has because of the amateur at aspect, but

(46:35):
mainly because the USGA does such a good job making
these courses difficult to the point where you'll have a
professional golfer sometimes finish up his first round or his
second round and say like it's unfair out there, like
what how are we supposed to compete? I remember about
it was it five years ago. I forget where they
were playing, but I remember listening to golfer after golfer

(46:57):
coming to the podium after his round, after he signed
his scorecard, going this course is unplayable, like somebody, something
needs to be done. And I think, like the greens
keeper after the game was like, yeah, maybe we should
just like water the course a little bit because it's
it's it's played a little dry out there. But that's

(47:19):
one aspect of the US Open every year that it
began to love more and more seeing golfers actually struggle.
It's something that you rarely see. Do you prefer that?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Then the twenty under I think a couple of weeks
ago is like twenty five under par or one of
these tournaments, and even the even at the PGA Championship
with Valhalla, what it was, I think twenty one under
was the winning score. You had three guys, Bryson was
twenty under, so I I, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (47:51):
I kind of like letting these guys flex.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
I think the best tournament for me is the ones
that are get gradually tougher as the tournament goes on,
and like Sunday is like the toughest day, it doesn't
always work out that way. Usually the pin placements have
a big impact on that. A lot of times the
Saturday pin placements can be the more devilish one. Right,
they call Saturday moving day. But Sunday to me, like,

(48:20):
I think there's something still pure about a golf major.
Whereas even though I'm not as big of a golf
fan as I used to be, Like I grew up
watching Tiger. That's one of the reasons that I really
started playing golf was I was ten years old in
ninety six when he won this first Masters, and I
was always gonna be into golf, but his rise really
accelerated my fandom. And it's weird watching him struggle now.

(48:43):
It's just like you know, father time, like it's just
going through the swings of life.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
It'd be great to see him win another one. I
don't think he's going.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
To maybe he'll maybe he'll compet it Augusta. I think
that's the only major he has a chance is the Masters.
But when I watch these guys on Sunday, I think
the biggest and this sounds really weird, but I think
the hardest sport to play is golf.

Speaker 8 (49:07):
I think the hardest thing to do in sports is
hit a.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Baseball ninety five miles an hour coming at you with
a round ball, round bat.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
But I think the.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Hardest sport day in day out because of the mental
grind it takes and there's no teammates. You're just out
there on your own. I think being like hitting a
golf ball three hundred yards straight and doing it again
and then again and then again and.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Then taking spin off it.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Like the way that these guys shape the ball and
like just how they it's it's incredible, like they are majestic.
We don't think of like golfers as these like majestic athletes.
It is when you go to a golf tournament and
watch them hit the ball the way they hit it,
it is ridiculous. And then you try to do it
and it's like, wait, what am I missing here? Because
like most people are like, yeah, they can make a

(49:48):
free throw, they can make a three point shot if
they got enough opportunities, nobody could do what these guys
do on the course.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
It is.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
It is majestic. If you want a good sweat, betting
these yes is a good way to agree. Oh my gosh, yeah,
because it can come down to yeah, if you're on
the under, literally a putt could lip out and that's
the difference of you miss it by one stroke or whatever.

(50:16):
Unlimited scenarios where you can do that on many of
the shops bet MGM has some of those available, so
shop around it. It's it can be pretty five like
hole by hole. See, I just that's just too random
to me. But yeah, I mean some people have a
better feel for it. But if you're looking for a
good sweat, that might be the way to go. Now

(50:38):
we get to the drama and the cover up here
real fast. So MLB has disciplined umpire Pat Hoberg for
violating the league's gambling rules. Now we don't have many details.
Maybe he was betting on round props for golf majors,
we don't know, but this is the statement from MLB quote.
During this year's spring training, Major League Baseball commenced an

(51:02):
investigation regarding a potential violation of MLB's sports betting policies
by umpire Pat Hoberg. Mister Hoburg was removed from the
field during the pendency of that investigation. While MLB's investigation
did not find any evidence that games worked by mister
Hoburg were compromised or manipulated in any way, MLB determined

(51:24):
that discipline was warranted. Mister Hoburg has chosen to appeal
that determination. Therefore, we cannot comment further until the appeal
process is concluded. So that's the statement from MLB. Here's
the deal. We don't have many details, Nope. What we
can gather is, as far as we know, he didn't
bet on baseball, because that would be a lifetime ban.

(51:47):
Baseball would have been better off coming out and saying, hey,
this this umpire was betting on games, not baseball. But
that's a violation and this is the punishment. They should
have just been clear with it. Instead they hit it.
This is back in spring training. We're just finding out
about this in mid June, and now they're very secretive

(52:10):
about what the details are. They're hiding behind this. Well,
he's a BEELD, so we can't really comment. They're just
hoping this goes away. They'd be better off back in
spring training saying hey, an umpire got popped he's not
allowed to bet on anything. He was betting on college football.
He's a big Longhorns fan. Whatever, it, just give us
some details instead of hiding it because it looks like

(52:33):
something worse might be going on here when it's just
this very vague hey, umpire suspended and we're like, whoa
is this Tim Donaghue all over again? Baseball has completely
botched this.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, I agree with you. I also feel like slow
playing a situation like this, taking this long for an
investigation while it's thorough, Why don't you why don't you
do this? And and I'm not if if he's found
innocent of overall of of you know, the most deceitful crimes,

(53:12):
that's the wrong word to use. But but rules broken,
I guess is a better way to describe it. Okay, great,
but apply some discipline out in front of this and
then say and and by the way, quick to the public,
more discipline will be applied if we if we uncover
any more nefarious action, right, you know what I'm saying.

(53:35):
So whatever it is, like, suspend them, you know what
I mean? Whatever, whatever rules he's broken already during the
course of this investigation, suspend him for those rules broken,
but then like, let's let's then let's then try to
get to the bottom of this before that first suspension
is up or put them on paid leave, you know

(53:56):
what I'm saying. Like, you know, there are a lot
of different ways to handle situations like this, but yeah,
it's always look, the cover up is always worse than
the crime, and so I feel like in a lot
of ways this it's not quite the right example to
apply to this, but it kind of feels like that's
what's going on. It's like, ah, we don't want this

(54:16):
to be a big story unless we know it needs
to be a big story. It's like, no, no, no, When
an umpire is involved in any sort of betting scandal,
hard stop. It's a big story. So handle it like
it's a big story. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
I have mixed thoughts about this because obviously, you know,
we're very closely connected to the growth of legalized gambling
in this country, and I think we saw a very
you know, a negative story over the last few weeks
with other players being suspended. I think that story, if
you really dig deeper into the players, what they were

(54:49):
betting on, how much they were betting, kind of a
non story at the end of the day, it's kind
of like the system is working and these very low
level I would say, Pops, and I'm okay with you know,
coming out and saying it's not necessarily the gambling that's

(55:10):
the problem, but it's some of the bad actors.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
I have no idea how to comment on this story.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Yeah, because if it's if it is this act or
this umpire. And by the way, like he's not a shit,
Like he's not Angel Hernandez, who is like the worst umpire. Like,
if it was Angel Hernandez, a lot more about his
career would have made sense.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
But also this is a very decorated umpire.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
He had a one hundred Like what he's known for
is back in the twenty two World Series having a
one hundred percent success right on balls and strikes. You
know how hard that is, No, Yeah, in the course
of a game like two hundred plus pitches to not
miss one pitch in.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
The World Series.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
So this guy is a I don't I don't know
if he's like as highly regarded amongst his peers, but
amongst us looking from the outside in, this is.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
One of the best umpires in baseball.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Young gets the sport not a dinosaur, doesn't have bunny ears,
and oh, by the way, really good at calling balls strikes.
And when I say doesn't have bunny ears, not one
of those guys that immediately kicked someone out of the
game the second he hears something like we call it
rabbit ears. You know, the umpires are always just listening.
And it's such a problem in today's game where guys
are getting kicked out for really low level arguments and

(56:27):
we just need to like relax. But the umpires, they
think they're part of the game sometimes, like honestly, like
people like I think they are convinced that people go
there to watch them some days.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
It's crazy.

Speaker 8 (56:36):
But I don't know how to comment on this story yet,
well because I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
He was betting on.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
That's the thing is, that's why baseball should have been transparent.
If he wasn't betting on baseball, just say what he
was betting on, and don't leave our imaginations. Yes to
run wild. Why do you think the NBA has a
last two minute report that it's all solely designed so
it puts your mind at ease, like there isn't something

(57:01):
the fairy is going on here? These officials aren't on
the take. That's what it's solely designed for. It Now,
I don't think it works, but that's either here nor there.
That's the reason why they do. That's so bad. But
with baseball, earlier this month, you guys talked about it.
We had details with these players who got popped in
your backyard. Rich you had tokiped at Marcana. He's banned

(57:24):
in definitely, which might be for life. And it's we
have details. Okay, he was betting on baseball, right.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
And we knew how much, which games, We knew everything.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
We knew the timeline, we knew the amount of money,
the minor leaguers. We had these three minor leaguers who
were betting under one thousand dollars on Major League Baseball games.
They're gone for a year. We have details with all
of that. So if Baseball came out and said we
haven't found anything about him betting on baseball, then tell
us what he was betting on doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
He's betting on something else. Like let's say he was
betting on college but he's a big Longhorns fan. Like,
does that affect how you view an umpire?

Speaker 1 (58:03):
No, would you be upset about. I don't care at all.
As long as you are not betting on baseball, whether
you're an umpire or a player, I'm good with it.
That's the day and age we're in.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, I agree. I mean I would look at it
no differently than you know, if a guy was betting
at a blackjack table the night before. You know what
I mean, Like, the only the only problem I have
is if a rule was broken, like for example, if
if it was strictly forbidden by umpires to to bet

(58:34):
to sports bet at all, like you know, And I
don't know if that's a rule, but if I think
it is, okay.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
That's the problem with this story.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
So so here I go, like, I get what you
guys are saying, and I'm I'm interested in growing the
the uh whatever you want to call it, the interest
in sports betting, because I don't think it's hurting people
as much as some would would try to convince you
it is. I I I definitely think there are negative
aspects of any Look, there's negative aspects of drinking. But

(59:02):
do I drink? Yeah, because it's a social lubricant. It's
you know, it's it's when you can control it, it
can have an enormously positive aspect on your life when
you're in you know, social cheers in to uh uh,
some congratulating, somebody going to somebody's house, opening a bottle
of wine with people you haven't seen in a while. Like,

(59:24):
those are things that are baked into our culture. And
some people think of drinking in any form as you know,
a devil's delight, like we should not participate, it should
not be a part of our lives. There's many other people,
many many, the vast majority of people who think it's
culturally important. I think sports betting is gonna get to

(59:44):
that point. I think we're gonna look at back on
rules like this that Major League Baseball has set forth
for their umpires as archaic. But you know what, right
now we're living in a world where those are the rules,
and if you want that job, you've got to find
those rules. And so it does affect my view on

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this this umpire because his judgment, I mean, like when
somebody breaks a rule that they're aware of, you question
their judgment. So I'm not I'm not saying it's having
an effect on his ability to umpire game. Clearly, clearly
it isn't. And I think you did a good job,
Jared of like laying out how he compares to his peers.

(01:00:27):
He's an excellent umpire. But I do think it speaks
loudly about his judgment and if he's willing to break
that rule, what other rules is he willing to break?
And that's that's where this becomes a sticky situation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Then I just quickly I think the timing is weird here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I agree that if we if this was, if this
guy hasn't ump the game all year, why like this
should have been a story months.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Ago spring training kind of just come out hit us
with it. That's a rich Orenberger Penn State All American
is with us. Jared Smith FSR betting analyst on Brian
coming up next. It's a lot of cash? Is it
too much money? It's Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox
Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday right here on
Fox Sports Radio. So Trevor Lawrence got paid Jaguars quarterback here,

(01:01:16):
It's amazing. So we always talk about the rookie quarterback
contract being the biggest advantage in the NFL, and it
absolutely is. Say the Houston Texans with c J. Stroud,
they have struck gold and he is on the cheap
for the first at least three years of his NFL career.

(01:01:36):
Compare Trevor Lawrence what he just signed for and Jaden Daniels.
He's the number two overall pick. J just signed this
week with the Washington Commanders. So Trevor Lawrence five years,
two hundred million dollars guaranteed, let's go by the guaranteed money.
Five years, two hundred mill guaranteed. Jaden Daniels four years,
not even thirty eight million dollars fully guaranteed on his

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rookie deal. So that's why we've seen the last handful
of teams that have made the Super Bowl. There have
been quarterbacks on rookie contracts. Brock Purdy was on his
rookie deal with San Francisco. You saw Jalen Hurts on
his rookie deal. Joe Burrow was on his rookie deal.
All those teams made the Super Bowl the last three years.

(01:02:20):
So we'll see if the next crop of quarterbacks, if
Caleb Williams hits or anybody else hits, but if they
find a CJ. Stroud, if they can go on a
run like those other teams that made it to the
Super Bowl, and it takes more than just a quarterback
on the cheap. We know that, but that is the
biggest advantage in football, and it begs the question, when

(01:02:43):
you have to back up the brinks truck, are you
comfortable doing that for Trevor Lawrence. I think he's been good.
It's there, it just hasn't been put together yet. But man,
when you've got to pay him two hundred million dollars guaranteed,
that is a leap of faith that the light bulb
will go on over these next handful of years.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
I personally think you have to do it, unfortunately if
you're the Jacksonville Jaguars. And I do mean unfortunately because
I don't know if you're going to have to a man.
Every single or woman, every single Jacksonville Jaguars fan agree
that he deserves it. It still definitely feels like you're

(01:03:23):
paying him off of potential. But the potential is great.
You've seen what this product looks like at the NFL level.
He can definitely play at this level when he's better protected.
When the Jags have had higher ranked offensive lines, he's
been more efficient. So if you fix some problems around him,
he will deliver you some greatness. It's just to what

(01:03:45):
level we don't know yet because there hasn't been significant
or consistent high level play around Trevor Lawrence. Now, look,
I think these conversations get into a space where people go,
you know, again going back to does he deserve it
or not? And I understand why you can't look at
this like these are humans. It's easier if you look

(01:04:09):
at these salaries as if they're assets. So think about
the housing market. And I always make this comparison with
quarterbacks because it makes sense to people. It makes sense
to me. You know, when you look at a three
bedroom house, you're looking at a three bedroom house. You know,

(01:04:30):
it does the same thing for you, whether it's in
this neighborhood versus that neighborhood. You know, it's got a roof,
it's got a fireplace maybe, you know, maybe it's got
a certain amount of square footage in the yard. You know,
whatever it may be. But certain houses, depending on their
zip code, are more expensive than other houses, even though
they're the exact same You may have the same layout.

(01:04:52):
If you live in a house in Iowa near the
Mississippi River, as a house that's in the hill of
West Hollywood or Beverly Hills or you know, or somewhere
out on the Hamptons. But guess what, the house in
the Hamptons or the house in Beverly Hills is gonna
be worth more than the house in Iowa because you're
paying for the land, you're not paying for the house.

(01:05:16):
And that's the market of the quarterback. You're not necessarily
just paying for Trevor Lawrence. You're paying for the zip
code that he exists in. So if he's in, you know,
the nine oh two one zero zip code, you're gonna
pay a premium for a three bedroom home. I'm sorry,
that's just the way this game is played now. So

(01:05:37):
whether or not Trevor Lawrence deserves fifty or fifty five
million dollars a year or an annual salary, whatever that is,
I mean that that can be debated. Sure if you
want to say, you know, it was an overinflated salary,
if you want to have that conversation, sure you can.
But this is what it is. And by the way,
everybody's looking for a fixed er upper. Who's who who's

(01:06:01):
not interested in making that investment? They're taking risk. Also,
so the Jacksonville Jaguars are taking risk by paying a
huge salary. Well, how about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They
just signed up for the next three years with their
quarterback Baker Mayfield, and it feels like they bought a
fixer on the same block that Trevor lives on. Well,
the deal is this, I mean, hopefully they don't find

(01:06:23):
bats in that attic. Hopefully the plumbing's good, you know.
And what Baker Mayfield did last year for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers matches what he does this year for the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Will find out. But there's a risk
whether you spend the money or you don't spend the money,
whether you're buying a fixer, or you're buying a you know,
one remodeled, you know, turn key ready to move in property,

(01:06:47):
you're still shopping in an expensive neighborhood. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
It is a financial thing. It's an asset thing. It's
an inflation like there's all these like boring money properties
involved with this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
But let's boil it down and we'll play a game.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Here is here are the quarterbacks that I'm taking the
full value of the contract if you want to go guaranteed.
Actually Yeah, let's go guarantee, because I think that's where
you know, NFL money is kind of gravitating towards these days, right,
the guaranteed money Trevor Lawrence received. Here, I am going
to list and name quarterbacks that he's making more guaranteed

(01:07:28):
money then, and you guys stop me when I get
to the name where it's like, Okay, Trevor deserves to
be in that group. Lamar Jackson, Justin, Herbert, Jared Goff,
Dalen Hurts, Kyler, Murray, Josh Allen, Dak Prescott. These are
quarterbacks that Trevor Lawrence is making more guaranteed money. Then
there's only two quarterbacks in the league that he's making

(01:07:50):
less guaranteed money then Watson and Burrow. Now, the Watson
contract is just absurd, It's like an albatross. I think
Burrow they're in the same stratosphere in terms of how
much guaranteed money they're making. But my point being, do
we consider Trevor in that tier? Lamar Jackson, Justin, Herbert,

(01:08:10):
Jared Goff, Hurts, Well, Burrow, Kyler, Go ahead, Brian, what
do you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Think I would say this? I would say to a
couple of those quarterbacks who's his CD Lamb. If we're
comparing him to Dak who's his Amen ro Saint Brown,
if we're comparing him to Jared Goff. Like, that's one
thing that I would point out, look at the supporting
cast to be fair, right, this isn't all on the
supporting cast. Some of it is on him, but that's
a part of the equation.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I think I think he has a better supporting cast
this year. I think I hope that there's a little
more consistency with that offense this year.

Speaker 8 (01:08:43):
But I'll be honest, if we're basing it off of kind.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Of where we grade these quarterbacks, if we were doing
a power ratings, I think I would put Lamar and
Justin Herbert and even Jared Goff and probably Ja and
probably Josh Allen ahead of Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
That's why I wonder not to cut you off till
you think about this. If you swapped supporting casts, what
is Jalen Hurts with the Jags? What is Trevor Lawrence
with the Eagles?

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
I think Jalen Hurts with the Jags would be it
would be a struggle. I think Trevor Lawrence with the
Eagles would probably be an upgrade.

Speaker 8 (01:09:28):
Right, Like I think I think if if if I put.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Trevor Lawrence on the Eagles tomorrow, or let's even make
another example, how about this is I like this example
a lot because I think it kind of puts our
brain in the frame of reference where we were four
months ago in the AC Championship game. Swap out Trevor
Lawrence and Lamar Jackson in the AC Championship game, Ravens Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Do the Chiefs win that game? I still think they do.
It's no way to know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
But I think, like in my eyes, like I think
Trevor gives them a better chance to win that game
than Lamar did. Like, and that's where I struggle with
a lot of the oh he's making too much. Yeah,
but if you really kind of grade these quarterbacks out
to where we kind of put them in tiers, like
I think that Trevor kind of deserves to be in

(01:10:22):
that top tier.

Speaker 8 (01:10:22):
Now, is he better than these guys? Probably not, but
he kind of deserves to be in the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I think let's pick it back up in a second, Rich,
because you talk about deserving to be in the conversation,
there could not be a better segue then that as
it applies to the one and only Isaac loewen Krag,
who we graciously invite to our little pow wow over here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
I low always appreciated being part of the conversation with
you guys, Brian Rich and Jared And we start with
Game four of the NBA Finals on Friday night, as
the Dallas Mavericks stayed alive and then some, beating the
Boston Celtics by thirty eight points one twenty two to
eighty four. It was the third largest blowout in Finals history.
It also broke the Celtics ten game playoff winning streak.

(01:11:05):
They still lead the series, however, three games to one,
with Game five on Monday at Boston.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Elsewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
After Game four, Charles Barkley had the following announcement to
make you know.

Speaker 10 (01:11:17):
There's been a lot of noise around on network the
last few months, and I just want to say I've
talked to all the other networks, but I ain't going
nowhere other than TNT. But I have made the decision myself,
no matter what happens, next year is going to be
my last year on television.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
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After two rounds of the US Open, Sweden's Ludwig Obert
has deleted five under par overall, one shot ahead of
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Night Dodgers over the Royals four to three. Freddie Freeman
to go had RBI single in the bottle of the

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eighth Angels wanted San Francisco eight to Mariners over the
Rangers three to two. Seattle is one fourteen of its
last nineteen and back to the triumvirant, trium barret, triumvirent. Wow,
there's no thing as no such thing as a triumvirant.
Back to the triumviret of Brian Rich and Jared.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
It's Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox Sports Radio. You know,
before I hand the batond to you Rich, I'm just
thinking about this, all this quarterback contract stuff to a
to a tongue of I lois looking for a big
Trevor Lawrence type extension. I think the question comes down
to this, because you're talking about real estate with the
quarterback market, and I get that rich. The question that

(01:12:42):
I have in my mind, and I think organizations should
have in their minds, is if we're thinking about paying
a quarterback, can this guy still be a difference maker
when we have to pay him huge money and skimp elsewhere.
That's the question, Mahomes, they lose Tykill, is he still
a difference maker? You better believe it is. Brock Purdy Still,

(01:13:05):
I don't think he's a difference maker right now, But
is he a difference maker going forward? If you pay
him huge money and have to skip elsewhere, maybe you
lose George Kittle, maybe you lose an offensive lineman Tua.
Is he going to be a difference maker if you
lose some of that offensive line or lose a big playmaker.
That's the question you have to ask yourself, because if
you're overpaying a quarterback that isn't producing to the same

(01:13:28):
level of what he's getting paid, you're screwed that way
too than not having a quarterback. In general, it works
both ways, and that's what you have to keep in mind.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
One well, and see what the reason why the comparison
to the housing market does make sense. Even in the
case that you're raising there there there are risks of
overpaying for the zip code. You know, so you buy
out turnkey house or what you presume is a turnkey house,

(01:13:58):
sometimes you still end up having problem. You know, you
you you buy the house, it's got all the finishes
and the perfect backyard, but then you find out there's gophers.
You know, you buy the house, it's got all the finishes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Go first, yeah, you know, dig it up your yard.
You spend one right there for me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
You buy the house, it's cir kids, got all the finishes,
and it has plumbing or electrical issues where you know,
you got to tear out some of those finishes and
fix those problems before you can even live in the thing.
You know that that stuff comes up when you make
that investment. But likewise, you're onboarding a significant risk when
you step away from a quarterback like that. So I

(01:14:38):
get the conundrum in Miami right now, or even to
a greater or lesser extent, in Dallas right now, because
immediately I started thinking about Dak Prescott. As soon as
Trevor Lawrence signed this deal, I was like, well, you know,
Dak and his agent are on the phone with Stephen
Jones and Jerry going, hey, guess what, guys, the price

(01:14:59):
just went up because now a new house or i
should say an old house on the block just resold
and they got a ton more money for it. So
we told you if you drag your feet, it was
gonna become more expensive to do business, you know at
uh you know what, you know, at one Cowboys Place,
whatever address they're at, you know. But that's that's the

(01:15:19):
deal with this now. So say Tua, say Miami says, yeah,
we've seen enough from Tua. We're moving on. Well, yeah,
there's a risk in investing in Tua, but there's also
a risk to not invest with Tua and go back
into the QB market and say, all right, we're gonna
draft a rookie quarterback or all right, we're gonna take
a chance on a Baker Mayfield like the Tampa Bay

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Buccaneers did that. It's a boomer bust potential, whereas with Tua,
you kind of know what you have now. Is Tua
super Bowl champion quarterback? In my opinion, No, But does
Mike McDaniel see it differently? Maybe so. The organization do

(01:16:01):
they see it differently, maybe so, And so that investment
to them may be more worth it on the inside
than somebody on the outside looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
The irony is Jags Dolphins Week one? Brian, Yeah, Laurence too.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Here we go, they'll both be paid.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Last super quick thing to keep in mind here, ask
yourself another question. If Jacksonville didn't give Trevor Lawrence this contract,
would another team give him that? And that's where it
gets back to the housing market where you're talking about, right,
is the real estate and you better believe somebody else
would be paying him this much money. That's the going

(01:16:40):
absolutely right. So it does come down to that as well.
All Right, We've got rich Oornberger, Penn State, All American,
Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No. Coming up next,
we bond through prop becks. Will unveil a list for you.
Right around the corner. It's Fox Sports Saturday right here
on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports. It's Saturday

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here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's dive into the prop
bet waters. Shall we drop it up?

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Player plays?

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Okay, so many possibilities, Jared, what do you have on
your radar here? Sir?

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Let's go to the Bay Area and we have the
Angels in the Giants afternoon game. Patrick Sandibal lefty on
the mound for the Angels. We're gonna go under seventeen
and a half outs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Here's why.

Speaker 8 (01:17:28):
So he's gone under a nine of fourteen this year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
His recent stuff's actually been better. He's been a little
bit more efficient in games recently. He's gone over this
number in five of the last seven, so again under
early in the year over lately, but he's just barely
getting to eighteen outs, which is six innings in four
of the five overs in this recent stretch he's just

(01:17:51):
got eighteen. So it's not like he's crushing this number.
He's kind of been hovering in the eighteen out range
over the last few starts. And I think you look
at this Giants team, it's a matchup edge for them
because they like to be patient at the play. They
actually have the highest walk rate in the league against
lefties this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Year, over twelve percent.

Speaker 8 (01:18:11):
Sandoval can be a little bit wild sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
He's at at least three walks in three of his
last four starts, at.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Least two walks and all but one road start this year.
So you could bind the fact.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
That Sandival's just getting eighteen ouns the Giants a little
bit more patient than usual. Sandoval sometimes can be a
little bit wild with his control, will go under seventeen
and a half outs. I don't think Sandoval.

Speaker 8 (01:18:35):
Reaches the sixth inning today against the Giants.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
All Right, I'm gonna send you guys to the NBA
and send us to Monday, where the Celtics will host
the Mavericks in Boston. If you remember the first two
games of the NBA Finals this series, the under hit twice,
So I like to take the under on the points
totals for Luka, Doncis and Jason Tatum. Luca thirty two

(01:19:00):
and a half, I'll take the under there, Jason Tatum
twenty seven and a half, I'll take the under there
as well. The reason is simple. These games were more
defensive in Boston. It felt like Dallas had a harder
time creating momentum in front of the visiting crowd. Kyrie
Irving played a little too much hero ball, which I

(01:19:22):
do think stripped opportunities from Luca, and I bet you
he reverts to that form because, for whatever reason, in
front of that Boston fan base, he wants to make
the game about him instead of his team. So I'm
taking the under on Luca thirty two and a half
and Jason Tatum twenty. Now it's up to twenty six
and a half, I'll take the under there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
So I'm thinking similar to you, Rich in a little
bit of a different way. One of my favorite in
game bets this series, and it's been consistent. I think
it's hit every single game of this series. Is Luca
gets off to a hot start. Yes, scoring wise, he'll
score twelve thirteen points in the first quarter, that's tired,
and you can get an in game under and it

(01:20:04):
is just consistently hit time and time again, when it
was just last night where you know it was garbage
time even before the fourth quarter. Luca left with about
a minute and a half left in the third.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Yeah, but he didn't score very much at all in
the third quarter after going ballistic in the first half.
So it's something to keep in mind. If Luca gets
off to a hot start and he consistently has you
can get an in game number on the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Under point total like that angle, Brian, do you like
it a lit on that?

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
And also Derek White, who ripped my heart out a
couple of games ago last leg of the parlay would
have been a beautiful night if he didn't make his
fourth three pointer, and he did with about two and
a half minutes to go. I still think it's good value.
I think under three and a half Derrick White threes
is a good bet to make. He's gotten to four

(01:20:58):
twice in this series, so it's done it fifty percent
of the time. But I still think the under there's
some value there. I would look to that like him
all right, plenty more to get to. We've got the
soap opera of the sports World. Another episode that's next.
Oh what is going on? I hope you're enjoying your
Saturday morning? Did you guys like any soap operas from

(01:21:20):
back in the day? Did you ever watch did you
ever have a I don't know, if go to that
might be a little bit you enjoyed days of No.
I just that's the only one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
I can general another one. My young sister was a
huge General Hospital fan. Yeah, she's about two years older
than me. So a lot of times, like I would
I would be I would find myself like walking through
I'm like, oh no, not this again, And by the
end of the episode, I'm like, wait, no, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Thought he was dead, so you're just still alive. Reddit
about General Hospital right now.

Speaker 8 (01:21:59):
Guys all a dream the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
I bring this up because there is a soap opera
of the sports world and it is Caitlyn Clark. And
the crazy thing is she is not dramatic at all.
It just feels like partially the media, partially other WNBA players,
they are the ones that are making this dramatic. So

(01:22:25):
the latest episode or installment of this ongoing soap opera
is Caitlin Clark on Thursday said that her name shouldn't
be used to push agendas of racism or misogyny, and
she said it's disappointing, it's unacceptable and everybody in our
world deserves the same amount of respect, and somehow she's

(01:22:46):
gotten blasted for that, where it's like, oh, it's really
easy to say I just want to play basketball instead
of standing up for your team or standing up for
the league or bad bad bad bah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Some people their minds are made up and they will
invent ways to hate on Caitlin Clark yep.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
And I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
I don't know what the gain is. I don't know
what the benefit is he hasn't said or done anything
that's crazy or that stirs everything up. It's she's gotten
a lot of attention because she was a dynamic college
basketball player and people want the same limelight. I don't
know what it is. There's no upside to unnecessarily hate

(01:23:30):
on the girl when she hasn't done anything or said
anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Yeah, look, do you know what this reminds me of
a little bit of when you see the twenty one
year old kid at the first family barbecue where all
of a sudden you kind of you're watching him and
you're like, oh, he's about he's about one beer in
too far. He's yeah, it's about that, you know, or her,

(01:23:57):
you know, I mean, like, you know, not to make
a gender specific like you know, oh man, you know
she's she's right at that point. One more cores light
and she's gonna be And so you keep an eye
on these things because you realize, like, oh, it's it's
their first time dealing with this. Like in the NFL,
it shocks nobody that Caleb Williams is getting a lot

(01:24:18):
of attention, Like the Bears have really good players like
Keenan Allen just got traded to the Bears. Keenan Allen
ostensibly and objectively is a much better football player than
Caleb Williams. But guess what, Caleb Williams, he needs to
support him in order for him to get the football,
you know, over the course of the season. Obviously, wide

(01:24:40):
receiver depends on his quarterback. And by the way, the
Bears overall as a team, whether we're talking about a
star edge rusher on their team or a star receiver,
they're all depending on Caleb Williams. So you're gonna hear
a lot of players out of that locker room supporting
Kayleb Williams.

Speaker 6 (01:24:56):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
By the way, the rest of the NFL knows, and
this is true of players on every other team that
Caleb Williams. If the better he is, the better the
product is, the stronger the league is. So yeah, maybe
if you're a Green Bay fan or a Detroit fan,
or you're a Vikings fan out in Minnesota, maybe you're

(01:25:18):
not necessarily rooting for Caleb Williams. But the players in
those locker rooms they quietly are. Because the better the
overall quotient of the league is, the more interest there
is in the sport, the more everybody gets paid. The
more endorsement money there is being thrown around to everybody,
it's better for the sport. What this looks like to

(01:25:38):
me is the WNBA is at twenty one year old
at the first family cookout since they turn twenty one,
getting too drunk. The WNBA doesn't know what to do
with this, Like the NFL has been to this cookout before,
They've seen what this is like, this isn't their first rodeo.
They know how to handle Caleb Williams. The WNBA has

(01:26:00):
absolutely zero idea what to do from a management standpoint,
league office standpoint, executive standpoint, public relations standpoint, teams across
the league standpoint, players in the locker room, players in
her own locker room. Her own teammates don't know what
to do with this level of fame because it's their
first time. They're they're mishandling it because they're in experience.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
I think to go back to your original question, like
why it's happening to Caitlin Clark, it's success, Like like
we have this sick and twisted way of society kind
of playing itself out these days where if you're on top,
we want you on the bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
If you're on the bottom, we want you to come
back and get back to the top.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Like it's just it's just the way that our society
views sports in general and life like, if you're not
having success, we can relate to that. Most people struggle
in life. We can relate to the underdog mentality. It
is hard for society to relate to the winning championship mentality.

(01:27:07):
Most people don't win. Most is most people have very mundane,
boring lives and they hate it. They hate their life,
they hate their situation. They're unsatisfied with work or life
or girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever. It is normal to have that
view of society. I'm struggling that person's winning. Why is

(01:27:28):
she winning? And why am I not winning? Let's bring
her down to my level. And I'm not saying it's right.
I'm not saying it's healthy. It's frankly toxic. But that
is the way our society views the world. When you're
on the bottom, we're rooting for the comeback. When you're
on the top, how can we bring you down? We
just saw it with showe Aotani. Like the show Aotani stuff,

(01:27:51):
it's a different It's apples to oranges to the Caitlin
Clark situation.

Speaker 8 (01:27:55):
But we were ready to like indict the.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Guy for like a mass gambling scam.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Yeah, and he got ripped off by some phony maloney interpreter.
And like, sure, there's probably some people out there that
still think there's a conspiracy theory that he was betting
on all these games.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Whatever. I don't want to entertain that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
But my point being, there is just this way of thinking,
if you are on top, how can I harnish you
to bring you back down to my level? And there's
just a mass of that going on in our sports
world right now with Kaitlyn Clark and the whole situation,
the irony of all of this. The only person that

(01:28:35):
has handled this with any class or grace is Caitlyn Clark, right,
which is the ultimate irony in all of this. So
good on her and bad on society for just trying
to bring this port go. That is, let her play basketball,
that's really all she wants to do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Clearly, Well, I love the name you brought up, rich In,
Caleb Williams, because it would be the dumbest thing ever
for anyone to say, Oh, Caleb Williams is just getting
attention because he's black. It's like, No, there's more of
the equation than just that he was an outstanding college
football player. He's got a personality where it gains attention.

(01:29:12):
Right Like, he's done some things in college that have
stood out. A lot of people bring up the crying thing,
and right like, he's made headlines beyond just the color
of his skin. It's the same thing with Caitlyn Clark.
Is the only part of this like cause she's white. No,
she passed Pistol beat Maravich for the most points ever

(01:29:37):
college basketball history. Like that, It's just so dumb to me.
Iowa was in the national Championship game the past two years.
It's not as if she was just averaging ten points
a night and they made the Elite eight, and you're like,
why is she getting so much attention? She was a
phenomenal college basketball player and her team was in the

(01:30:00):
title game the last two years. Yeah, And you talk
about irony, Jared, and I'm with you on the example
you gave. I think some of the irony here is
all these WNBA players that are like, why is she
getting so much attention? And it's like, because you won't
shut up about her. You're the problem, You're the reason

(01:30:20):
why your name is so relevant.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Yeah. Yeah, Listen, I think that the easy reach, the
low hanging fruit on any debate is bring it to
base level differences, right, like, why is this not working? Well?
Clearly because you know, uh, you know what. Okay, let's

(01:30:43):
let's put it in a different a different space altogether.
Let's take away WNBA and let's put this in corporate America. Right,
maybe there is a predominantly black business that has a
new superstar, white employee. Do we think that if this
was corporate America, the automatic assumption would be, oh, this

(01:31:04):
isn't working because the new superstar is white. No. And
by the way, flip it, you know, flip it around.
You know, this isn't working because the new superstar and
playee is black. No. Like like sports for whatever reason,
and I think it's because look, competitiveness. Uh, you know,

(01:31:25):
sports were created as a safer analog to war.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
If you think a lot of the games that we play,
even board games like chess or Stratego or Checker's Risk
the world, I mean it's all it's they're all kind
of predicated around war like. Even when you think about monopoly,
which is more business related, like we're talking about the
gobbling up of assets, crushing your opponent, opponents through.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Siege warfare, basically like the the all these.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Games are are kind of primitive and they kind of
they kind of get us, they strip us down to
our roots. Okay, well, clearly there is some problem here,
so it must be race related or it must be
gender related. Nature is no, it absolutely isn't look at this.
I look at this very simply. I see the WNBA

(01:32:18):
having a hard time with this because this is the
first time they're getting a lot of attention. Like, for example,
when you're a kid and you're practicing your public speaking
part and it's going to be three minutes talking in
front of your peers and you can't understand why. In
your bedroom, when you're by yourself saying the speech over
and over again, you had clarity, the words were coming

(01:32:41):
out smoothly, you had some confidence, even a little bravado.
And then when you get in front of your class
of twenty five peers, you're shaking and you can't remember
the words. You can't even remember how it opens, Like
what was the first word? Just give it, Come on, brain,
what's the first word? It's because you're inexperienced in front
of a But fast forward to your hundredth time or

(01:33:02):
your two hundred time or your thousandth time in front
of a crowd, You're obviously going to be much more comfortable.
This is very simple to me. The reason why Kaitlin
Clark is being condemned for her fame is because the
WNBA has literally never had a player this famous before.
It's never happened. I mean, and give me the list

(01:33:23):
of superstars, you know, Diana Tarassi and I mean, go
through the Bird Superird. Has anybody again, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:33:33):
Candice Parker has not on the level of Kaylyn Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
No, no, And so this is unique, this is new.
They're inexperienced. These players have zero experience dealing with the
level of tension they're getting, and they're floundering right now.
They're they're in front of their class, they're trying to
speak to the group, and they are shaking in their
boots and forgetting how this speech was supposed to open.

(01:33:56):
That's what's happening. We're getting to watch it. So this
has nothing to do with race, or gender, or or
sexuality or any of the ridiculous things have been tossed around.
This is a bunch of kids getting their first time
speaking in front of their middle school class, and they
are literally shaking out of their timberlains right now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
They're tims Okay, I like that, Well, that's what I
wore in middle school.

Speaker 8 (01:34:20):
That's what I was gonna say that. I don't think
the kids are wearing that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
You might get.

Speaker 8 (01:34:27):
We might have to get it with the times.

Speaker 6 (01:34:28):
Bro.

Speaker 8 (01:34:29):
We went to high school in middle school a long
time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
I think it all comes back.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
To this for me.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
And obviously a lot of these conversations are very toxic
about topics that probably sports should not really be breaching into.
But at the end of the day, Caitlin Clark's handling
it like a pro I think this will all kind
of iron itself out. And again, at the end of
the day, we are talking about the w NBA every

(01:34:59):
single day. It is the top story on my feed
that week, that the whole Caitlin Clark thing, which you
got bumped over by the one player like it was
the lead on every major talk show.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
It was the story. And I think if we can learn.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Some of the players, some of the WNBA administrator learn
how to handle some of it and kind of grow
up mature a lot of its maturity the net positive here,
guys and gals listening, we're talking about the WNBA and
it's going to continue to be a talking point as
long as Kaitlin Clark is in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
So we just kind of have to learn. We just
have to have it grow up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Little Kumbai a moment where maybe this first season is
a little rocky learning to live with all this spotlight.
But at the end of the day, the spotlight is
still on the WNBA. Right, that's the net positive long
term in my eyes. We just have to kind of
grow up around it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
No, that makes sense and listen and is there a
racial aspect to it, Yes, but it's not the total
thing going on here. Where Let's use a couple of examples.
Tiger Woods. Like Tiger Woods stood out in a white sport,
it's not the sole reason he was popular. He was

(01:36:19):
phenomenal at what he did. Larry Bird, Lars Larry Bird
stood out in a black sport. He was a sensational
basketball player. Right that did being different have a little
something to do with their their popularity? Yeah, I think
it boosted it to a degree, but it wasn't the
sole reason for the popularity yet, right, And I look

(01:36:41):
at Caitlin Clark similarly, you guys listed off a couple
of names from the past in the present with Diana Tarassi,
Sue Byrd, Rebecca Lobo, these all white players. They never
came halfway close to reaching the popularity and the status
of Caitlin Clark right now. So it shows you that
it isn't just about the color of her skin. So

(01:37:04):
I don't know why. It's like you're trying to do
this diagram of why she's so popular, and it seems
like the reasons that are pointed out tend to be negative.
Oh it's her skin color. Oh it's because she's straight.
Why can't it be something positive where it's like she's
really fun to watch. I don't know why that isn't Yeah,

(01:37:25):
it's that's just glossed over and it goes to something negative.
I just I don't buy that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
I agree, I one hundred percent agree, And I think
it's again, it doesn't it feel childish? Doesn't it feel
very I don't know, immature, I guess is another word.
Doesn't it feel like the WNBA the analysts who cover
the sport, the coaches who coach the sport, the players

(01:37:50):
who play the sport, they they all just don't really
know what to do with her because they've never seen
this before. Look, I think we probably rommantasize how golf
handled Tiger Woods to a greater or lesser extent because
it happened so long ago. But there was a huge
racial component to Tiger Woods rising to glory on the

(01:38:12):
PGA Tour. There were a lot of stodgy golfers and
frankly country club owners or members, i should say, who
were not interested in seeing a black man have the
level of success that he was having in a sport
that was predominantly white. And I think since then, a
lot of those color barriers have broken down. We've obviously

(01:38:34):
seen changes, even at Augusta National, which felt like the
last standalone holdout for years and years, there by letting
in their first ever female member. I believe it was
Condolleza Rice, you know, so they broke down two barriers
with that. But you know, it's interesting, right there is
a racial aspect to it, and I do agree with

(01:38:55):
what you're saying, Brian, But I think the biggest the
biggest problem here for the WNBA, or frankly for any
sport who's going through the infancy of their attention getting phase.
They don't know what to do with all this attention,
and so the reaction seems very immature, and the reason
why is because they're inexperienced. That is literally what immaturity is.

(01:39:18):
We talk about children. I have two kids who are
under ten years old. When they do things, there's a
lot of times where I go, Okay, they should know
better by now, But the majority of things they do.
What it boils down to is they haven't lived that
long yet. So I'm gonna give them a pass. I'm
gonna teach them, you know, I'm gonna tell them the
things that they need, you know, maybe how to handle

(01:39:39):
a situation better. But I'm gonna give them a little grace.
I am. I'm kind of flipping the way I'm viewing
this situation with the WNBA. I almost feel bad for
them in a way because it's like watching a child
actor grow up in front of everybody and making mistakes.
But there it's on a scale that you wish could
be smaller for them, because everybody else gets to make

(01:40:02):
those mistakes in the dark. The WNBA is gonna have
to grow up in front of all of our eyes. Yeah,
and it's gonna be clunky. It's gonna be clumsy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
It is, it is, but I think it's again the
net positive, guys, is that we continue to talk about
this league and get it in spotlight. Because the only
way that you gain, like, the only way that you
get stronger, is if you work out. Your first workout
might be really tough, you might be brutal, you might
drop the weights all over the floor. Then you learn
how to kind of, you know, handle some of the

(01:40:32):
stresses and the soreness and getting stronger.

Speaker 8 (01:40:35):
And this is a maturity thing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
This is a league that is still pretty young relatively
speaking to the other professional sports leagues out there, and
it just it has to grow up. And Caitlin Clark
is the puberty that the WNBA never thought that they
were gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Get, and now they have it. And it's a little awkward,
but I.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
Think we're gonna get through it, and I think the
net positive for the league in five ten years, we
won't be worried about this issue at all.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
That's our guy. Jared's FSR betting analyst Rich Ornberger with
US Penn State All American. I'm Brian no Coming up next.
Garth from the movie Wayne's World once said, we fear change.
You might feel the same way after this next story
that's on the way. It's Fox Sports Saturday, right here
on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday, right

(01:41:20):
here on Fox Sports Radio. Real fast. I just saw
a quote from Serena Williams. She has some advice for
Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
This is great.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
She said, if people are negative, it's because they can't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Do what you do.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
Yep, I think she'll do right. Yes, Yeah, a lot
of it has to do with that. Okay, how about
this like Garth and Wayne's World? Do you guys Wayne's
World fans from Bath in the Day, Yeah, Garth, party
on Wayne. That's a party on Garth.

Speaker 9 (01:41:49):
Garth.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Garth Wentz said, we fear change. And I just thought
of that with this next story. So the Big Twelve,
they are explored selling the naming rights to a title sponsor,
and it's believed that All State is considered the front runner.
So instead of the Big Twelve, we might have the

(01:42:14):
All State twelve conference. Oh boy, is what we're looking for.
And oh, by the way, group of five schools. Like
those leagues, they're thinking about similar things. So the Sunbelt,
the Mountain West. You might have title sponsors for most
of these leagues going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Yeah wahene, this makes me feel funny, like when I
climb the rope in gym class. Yeah. No, it's uh,
it's uh. It's where we're heading with all of this.
I mean, you guys probably don't remember the movie. I
loved it. I was a huge South Park fan when
I was growing up, and there was a movie called Basketball.

(01:42:56):
Oh my goodness, Okay, I'm so glad that you have
so loved that for anybody who's never seen it. Basically,
it's a driveway sport that Trey Parker and Matt Stone
create as almost like a drinking game that turns into
a national spectacle. And they are obviously poking fun at

(01:43:17):
major league sports, professional sports in our country, where everything
at a certain point becomes corporate. The players become completely
unlikable because they're making so much money, and they have
completely detached themselves from these driveway knuckleheads who are drinking
beers playing the sport when they were just in the

(01:43:38):
suburbs of Middle America versus what they've become now, these
national celebrities. And what they started doing is they started
taking things to the extreme in the movies like this
is before arenas and ballparks were named after corporate sponsors,
but they started They did that in this movie. And
it was almost like the tail wagging the dog where

(01:44:00):
it happened in this movie as a joke. It was
a punchline, but it was almost like a warning, like
a Bell Weather or a Canarian the coal Mine saying, hey,
like listen, we're getting used to this certain amount of
greed that this isn't so ridiculous that pretty soon it
might be State Farm Arena. And guess what now it is.

(01:44:21):
And so when you go back and you watch basketball
now you think to yourself like, oh yeah, like this
this is a comedy, but it actually was a forecast
of what was to come. None of this shocks me.
None of this shocks me. The fact that conferences are
gonna be called the Taco Bell Conference or you know,

(01:44:42):
instead of the you know, the the Mid American, it's
gonna be the the the Golden Arches, and it's gonna
be hey, you come through the driver through. You know,
we know it's the off season, but the Shamrock Shake
is available right now. It all participations. You know, it's
it's gonna be what it is, and it's only gonna
get worse, fellas, I promise you at a at a

(01:45:04):
certain point in our lifetime, just like they do in Japan,
just like they So you know, the Fighters, the Fighters,
that's the team that I believe it was Shoheo Tani
came from, right. The Fighters they're they're not the Fighters
in Japan. They're called the nipon Ham Fighters. Nipon Ham
is a brand like pretty soon here, it's gonna be

(01:45:28):
the Golden Arches, Golden State Warriors, it's gonna be the
Oh yeah, it's gonna be the Mercedes Minnesota Vikings. It's
gonna be That is our future. It's coming soon. And
then it's gonna spread to the college ranks as well,
and maybe it'll incubate at the college. Right, maybe it'll
be the the Panasonic Penn State Nitney Lyons. I'm just saying,

(01:45:53):
this is the this is the future we're heading towards.
Because any extra money you can ring out of the sponge.
If it feels like these professional and quote unquote amateur,
although it's not pro sports. All these all these all
these sports they're heading more and more corporate.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
Yeah, I hate how right you are about it, because
you're right, like it might end up being like the
sheets Nitney Lions sheets get a schmiss get it sheets
for the Nitney.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Like, Well, here's what i have to say.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
About the conference situation. And I've said this on this show.
I've been very vocal about it on other shows. But
because this is a college football based show, and that's
where we got our start, and then we've kind of
branched out in other things obviously, but you know, when
we first started, it was really college football focused. And
I remember the first year we did the show, I
gave this stay. The conferences in college sports are completely irrelevant.

(01:46:49):
They are placeholders, They are figureheads. They are monarchy in
college sports. They have no power, they have no responsibility.
They just exist and we divide the lines based off
of regional and you know, it's not really regional anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
It used to be.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Now it's you know, it's a complete kerfuffle. Conferences don't
need to exist. We could have college sports without conferences
very easily. But they do exist because of the tradition
and nostalgia that's gone on with them. This is kind
of the first domino of them really not existing anymore,

(01:47:27):
like just being these groups of private equity investors that
divide the lines and the money accordingly. And this is
the not the first domino in business change in college sports. Like,
we've had a few of these dominoes over the last
decade or so, and we will continue to have them
as this college sports landscape continues to evolve and change.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
But the conferences are completely meaningless, Guys, like, they're just.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Like who cares? Like the only reason we care now
is because it helps us set the schedule every year.
But like, you could take the forty teams in college
football completely eliminate all the conferences and put together a
great schedule with a great postseason.

Speaker 8 (01:48:07):
And nobody would know the difference. The only people who
would know are the people.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
That really love the conferences.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
And we have to have Michigan play Ohio State every
year because it's a Big Ten rivalry.

Speaker 8 (01:48:16):
Yeah, the Big Ten didn't exist thirty years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Guys like it. I think there's just like a.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
Whole conference realignment and frankly just dissolved them like, that's
what I would do, and then let all the new
private equity come in and pick their teams accordingly and
change it. But obviously it's a slow process to get there,
but this feels like the first step. In hey, ten years,
conference is completely gone.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
Well, I just think it reminds me of NASCAR. Remember Nascar,
the title sponsor would change. It was the Winston Cup
Series for a little while, and then it was next
Tell and it's changed from time to time, and it's
a little goofy. But I think it's far goofier for
conferences to change names because if you go down this

(01:49:02):
road of title sponsors, they're going to change, just like
football stadium names.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
So if you get used to the All State twelve,
which used to be the Big twelve, and then it
changes to the Burger King twelve, it's like what are
we doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
Like, that's when it's going to become really goofy. Someone
who is not goofy in a bad way, but every
now and then goofy in a good way. That would
be our guy, Isaac Lohencron, who brings the entertainment along
with the information.

Speaker 4 (01:49:33):
Really, because you guys are my muses. So this relates
to what you were just discussing, and that was the
corporatization of sports. So we will start with Game four
of the NBA Finals, presented by YouTube TV on Friday night. Ah,
that saw the Dallas Maverick Farm and Fence Supply Mavericks

(01:49:58):
stay alive with a thirty eight point victory over the
Boston sand In Gravel Celtics one twenty two to eighty four.
Both of those are real companies, by the way, it
was the little free publicity. It was the third largest
blowout in Finals history, breaking Boston's ten game winning streak
in the playoffs, with the Celtics still lead the series

(01:50:20):
three games to one. Game five on Monday at Boston
at the TD Fleet Center Shauma Center. All right, it's
still the TV Garden you were going.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
You were doing so well there, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
No, I mean, I mean that's the other thing. It's
about these arenas. It's one thing for them to have
corporate names, but then you they changed them every three years. Yeah,
Like the Miami Arena had a new name this year,
and it's always a company you've never ever heard of.
But I digress elsewhere. After Game four, big news made

(01:50:56):
off the court by none other than Charles Barclay.

Speaker 10 (01:51:00):
You know, there's been a lot of noise around on
network the last few months, and I just want to
say I've talked to all the other networks, but I
ain't going nowhere other than TNT. But I have made
the decision myself, no matter what happens, next year is
going to be my last year on television.

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
After two rounds of the US opened, Sweden's Ludwig Obert
has the leaded five hunder par overall, one shot ahead
of Bryson Deshambo, Patrick Cantley and Belgium's Thomas Dietree. They'll
all tee off round three at around three thirty Eastern
time this afternoon. And one other note about what you
guys were just talking about. You have sent me down

(01:51:40):
the basketball rabbit holes.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Such a great movie.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
Another wonderful part of that movie cameos shockingly by Bob
Costas and Al Michaels, who I thought were much too
classy to partake in a movie such as that until
I heard this in the movie nothing I've ever been
this excited. You're excited, Niles back to you guys as Yes, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Have a good sense of humor. I mean, it was
a very funny movie, but it really did become a
forecast of things it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
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Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
Yes, I was just.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Thinking with the naming rights thing, some of these arenas
or stadiums where it's just you think of it as
the sponsor, like the Carrier Dome in Syracuse. That's even changed,
you know, So these naming rights, it's gonna change. Staples
stall it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Well, when do the big traditional stadiums change? Like when
do we get Yankee Stadium's right, when do we get
Fenway Park?

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
I guess technically Wriggly Field is wriggly Gum, but right
like Wriggly Field presented by Big Red, Like you know,
like when do we get those dominoes to fall?

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
That's what I experienced. Full change you got in Denver
a little bit, yeah, right, like mile high or Invesco
Field at mile high or what it does?

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
So weird? Well, what's so funny is even Wrigley Field
You named it, and it's like you forget part of
the reason why it's called Wrigley Field is because of
the gum com Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
That gum is still going undred years later.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Yeah. Yeah. Camden Yards though, I mean, like their cover
is one.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
That doesn't have a corporate there you go, by the way,
a funny story to throw out there. You see the
Chief's new Super Bowl rings. They got the seed wrong
of the Dolphins. Yes, so so beautiful rings. Five hundred
and twenty nine diamonds, thirty eight rubies zero spell check, Yeah,
total of fourteen point eight carrots. They got the seed

(01:54:09):
wrong of the Dolphins. So on the ring on the inside,
like right where it goes in your finger, you see,
And this is common right. They have the playoff path
of the teams, and the scores of the playoff games,
and the seeds of the playoff teams. Their first playoff
game was against the Dolphins. On the rings, it says

(01:54:30):
they're the seventh seed.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
That's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
They were the sixth seed. They thought they were the
one seed. The chiefs were over over, you know, overestimating
what their seed was. Yeah, so it's not something you
can fix and post right there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Yeah, they're gonna need a lot of sandpaper, a lot
of sand paper, a lot of boat toorks for that one.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
I just love the videos that they put out now,
and they're really cool where they show like the top
of the ring opens up and it takes you on
this sort of like.

Speaker 8 (01:55:01):
I don't know this content these days all for clicks.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
Yeah, yeah, what do you call it? Where I'm having
a brain freeze right now? They know they've yeah kind
of they've stopped football getting drones like these drones, so
it gives you like a drone kind of view through
the ring and it's like, wow, that's really cool, all
this detail and thought they got the sea, they got

(01:55:26):
the sea. I wish I could have been in the
room when they were designing it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
Oh, I wish I could have been in the room
where the first person said, hey, weren't the weren't the
Dolphins of six?

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
And then and then figured it out you think it
was one of the players, Like, wait a minute, I
bet it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Was one of the coaches. I bet either that or
it might have even been like this is what I
presume happened. This is honestly what I think happened. Probably
one of the assistant coaches with Miami knows one of
the Chiefs assistant coaches and was like, hey, idiots, we
weren't a seven seed. We were a six seed going

(01:56:04):
into the postseason. And then and then that Chiefs coach went, no, wait,
what are you? And then he looked it up and went,
I'll be damned, I gotta go tell somebody that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
Good event. All right, We've got Rich Ronberger Fence State
All American, Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst. I'm Brian no
coming up next, the rapid Fire selections. We each have
three of them, will compare notes. It is Fox Sports Saturday,
right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday,
right here on Fox Sports Radio. Props to the crew,

(01:56:36):
Bo Benson, our trusted producer, Chris Purfet, technical producer, Isaac
Lohencron crushing the updates, crushing life, Top of the Hour,
up on game. Fill in hosts today, Mike Harmon, Ryan Hollins.
They are warming up in the bullpen as we speak.
By the way, before our picks, some news this morning.
T Higgins, Bengals wide receiver. He assigned his franchise tender,

(01:56:59):
so he'll be in Cincinnati this year. Adam Schefter says
it's unlikely he'll sign a long term deal this offseason.
But it looks like the band is back together again
for one more go with Jamar Chase, T Higgins, Joe Burrow.
So good news for the Bengals as t Higgins is signed,
sealed and delivered. We got some picks to make.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
Rapid fire, all right, Jared Smith, we start with you.
What's on your radar?

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
Yeah, one and two last week not great, but twenty
eight and twenty since the Super Bowl, so not gonna
complain about that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
I think you guys actually had a really good week.

Speaker 8 (01:57:35):
So I think a collective show winning week.

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
But let's get back on the winning track individually here,
and we'll start with the Nerfey. I kind of hinted
at it during the parlay segment. It's kind of an
extension of the parlay platter. We're gonna go with the
nerfy in the Rangers Mariners game. This is later this
afternoon in Seattle, Nathan Valde George Kirby. Great pitching matchup.
Kirby is twenty three and one to the nerfy at
home in his career. The dude just rakes or I

(01:57:59):
guess the opposite of rakes, he throws gas at home.

Speaker 1 (01:58:02):
So we'll go Rangers, manners, nerd feet.

Speaker 3 (01:58:04):
How about some puck. We haven't talked about the Stanley
Cup Final. It might end tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
I don't think it will. I think the Oilers get
one at home.

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
It feels like a gentleman sweep kind of series, similar
to what we're seeing.

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
In the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
And again, everyone likes Florida. They went on the road,
they won in Edmonton in Game three. Kind of a
similar situation of what happened in the NBA finals. So
the Oilers, I think a little value on Edmonton.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
At home tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:58:24):
Short price on the money line, and I'll lay it
with the Celtics on Monday night.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
Guys, six and a half. I think this number is
gonna close seven.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
So I feel like if you bet Boston minus six
and a half now you get a little bit of
closing line.

Speaker 8 (01:58:35):
Value come Monday night. But I think the Celtics close.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
It out in five.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
Okay, very good. Actually, where you left off is where
I start. I'm gonna go under the two one hundred
nine and a half points in Game five MAVs at Boston.
The under hit twice when this series was in Boston.
I think lightning strikes a third time. First quarter spread
minus two and a half on the Celtics.

Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
I think they rush to a hot start. I think
the Mavericks answer. Like many of the games we've seen
in this series, I think the Mavericks will wake up
and make it a closer game, and then separation will
occur again. The Celtics will overtake them and hoist Hilario O'Brien.
Jason Tatum, though, is gonna have a slow night scoring,
and that's very similar to how his series has gone.

(01:59:21):
It's been a little bit more of sharing offense on
the Celtics side. So I'm taking the under twenty seven
and a half point scored by Tatum.

Speaker 1 (01:59:30):
Okay, So I'm going the plus one oh five route today. Okay,
couple of picks for you. I've got the Detroit Tigers
on the road money line plus one oh five. They're
taking on the Houston Astros. Sy stinky line to me.
Justin Verlander on the bump for the Astros. Lot of bets,
a lot of tickets on the Astros to win. Yet

(01:59:53):
the wise guys, huh, the money line is still pretty
close to a pick them right, there's I'm gonna take
the Tigers. Also match up. I like this on the
road Texas Rangers plus one oh five yet again, Nathan Yavaldi.
He's on the bump for the Rangers. The Mariners they
strike out the most of any team in Major League Baseball,

(02:00:13):
and Evaldi is one. He's a pretty good strikeout pitcher
as well. So I am going with the Texas Rangers
plus one oh five. And let's stick with the plus
money theme, shall we. PJ Washington, I'm gonna fade his
three pointers on Monday Night in Game five. I've got
under one and a half threes for PJ. Washington against

(02:00:34):
the Boston Celtics to do a great job defending the
three point shot on the road do or die situation,
sweaty palms, I say for PJ Washington, I'm gonna fade right, yeah, first,
thank you, PJ. Yes, or like Derek White, we're he
banked in three in Game three, and that helped him

(02:00:57):
barely get over three and a half. So we can
do a whole three hours on bad beats? Probably, absolutely
we could. Hopefully that's not next week's show, right, everybody,
have a great day. We will catch you soon