Aaron Torres & Jason Martin Discuss the NBA Finals, Caitlin Clark, Dan Hurley passing on the Lakers Job & More!

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Tyrax Studios. Jason Martin down in Nashville, Jmark, Congrats, you
survived two weeks of Arnie Spanner and you live to
tell about it. Congratulations, buddy, how are you?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I missed you, man, I missed you too. I'm glad
to have you back. Yes I have. I've done three
shows with Arnie in the last two weeks. Two weeks
ago Saturday and Sunday because I was in for Plank
and he was in for you, and then last Saturday
as well as you were still taking vacation, and then
after that point it was just kind of like, all right, now,
now things can get back to more normal. Although it's

(01:08):
always fun to work with Arnie. We could, but yes,
we had a good time and definitely had plenty of
things to talk about. That said, I'm glad that we're
back here on the flagship.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, and I appreciate, you know, you give me a
few weeks there, and I appreciate Arnie filling in. And yes,
for people who are not familiar, you heard j Mart
with Arnie the last few weeks. Arnie many years ago,
was in this time slot with me. I've done lots
of shows with Arnie. Love Arnie, little off the wall.
Sometimes gotta talk a little more Arizona and dolphins than
you'd like, But other than that, he's a good guy.

(01:39):
So I'll tell you this, Jason. You know, in some
ways I feel like I missed a lot, and in
some ways I feel like I didn't really miss all
that much. I mean, you know, I left for vacation
essentially when the NBA Finals was set. I think there was.
It was one game left in the Western Commons Finals.
The Brook the Boss and Celtics had already clinched. And

(02:01):
it was funny because I did put out a tweet
right before I left. I said, we want this Western
Conference Finals to go as long as possible because we
are going to get way too many Caitlin Clark discourses
if that does not happen. Unfortunately, that's exactly what happened.
And we will get to Kitlan Clark here in just
a moment. But do you want to start with the
NBA Finals. Obviously everybody is monitoring, You've been listening to

(02:24):
network all day. Everybody shared their thoughts on Game four
on Friday night. Dallas Mavericks backs against the wall. They're
down three to zero. They obviously have that Game three
that they could have won at home. They couldn't pull
it out. Luca Fowls, speaking of discourses, there was the
big discourse about you know, Luka yelling at the bench
and what does it mean? And you know, I actually

(02:46):
enjoyed the Brian Winhorse rant, but I bring it up
to say we got the best version of the Dallas
Mavericks on Friday night. They win by if my math
is correct, thirty eight points in Game five. Before Dallas
Mavericks survive. Game five will be Monday night in Boston.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Jason, Yeah, I agree with you, by the way about
whinhorse rant, and he actually stuck by it after Game
four he said what I said is still true and
it is like it doesn't change anything. That Luca came
out and played that game. Now he needs to continue
to do that. He still let himself fall into that
situation in Game three. That said, what I find really
interesting is the same thing that happened Friday night in

(03:26):
the NBA happened tonight in the NHL. A complete blowout
by a team that was trying to stave off a
sweep in the finals. Yep, you had at one point
like forty plus score for the MAVs and then you
have an eight to one game here. And what do
both of them mean. I'm not sure they mean anything.
I definitely don't think the hockey does. But to the basketball,

(03:48):
this is not a series to me, not until they
win another one. They went another one. It gets interesting
because at that point it sort of feels on serve again.
You have the opportunity then to go back to your
building and have one and then force the game seven.
I'm not sure they can do it. I don't know
that Celtic's performance was as bad as you will ever see,

(04:08):
and that Mavericks performance, especially from Luca in the first half,
was outstanding. Derek Lively is really turning into something during
this postseason you are seeing him really grow up and
be something that they needed him to be. Kyrie kind
of came alive and looked a lot more active in
Game four as well. Now can they take that that

(04:28):
little bit of momentum and go to Boston and challenge
I think maybe they can. I mean, I picked them
in six. That's obviously not going to happen.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
But.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I do think that. And I mentioned this to Arnie
and he disagreed with me, and then I think he
actually came back around to it after the fact. I
said that the layoff between the end of the Conference
finals and the NBA Finals was devastating to Dallas and
wouldn't be that big of a deal to Boston because
I felt like Boston was during the year more stable,

(04:58):
and this is just kind of who they were. We
knew they were really good. They've been in this situation
before them having time off wasn't going to change what
they fundamentally did. But Dallas felt like they had caught
lightning in a bottle. They were that team. What they
did to Minnesota, they got through Oklahoma City and then
what they did to Minnesota. They If it were me,

(05:19):
I would not have wanted much time off if I
were them, because they were playing with the kind of rhythm.
It's like they were lathered up and they were set
to go, and then they had to go sit for
nine days and then they came out and they looked
rusty and it just didn't look like the same team again.
That game on Friday. I mean, that's the best version
of the MAVs you'll see. I think the question is,

(05:40):
can they bring that to Boston at the same time,
we know Boston is going to be better. Boston can't
play that badly again, and they won't play that badly again.
Can Dallas take some of the lightning that maybe they
were covered in Game four back to Boston and make
it interesting. I don't know yet, but I'm not willing
to call this a series until they actually do that.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, I'm a little hesitant to call it a series
as well, just because, like you look at, obviously the
first two games that had Porzingis, they rolled. But even
Game three, it was like, it's kind of pretty nip
and to I mean, Dallas was really in control for
a big part of that game, right up until probably
middle of the third quarter when the Celtics made their run.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
And pulled away. So I don't know what to make
of last night.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
I still think, you know, obviously, look at you know
you're three to one, you're going back home. You gotta
feel good about about your position that you're in. Nobody
expected to sweep through the finals. So like, I mean,
I can't sit here and say that they expected to
come back home to Boston. But at the same time,
you know, this is the finals. I tend to agree

(06:50):
is that. Listen, that was a backs against the wall game.
Everything went right for Dallas early. And this isn't like
a knock of the NBA, but we know a seven
game series sometimes you just got to call off the dogs.
Like this isn't the NCAA tournament. It isn't single elimination,
it isn't one and done. And we've seen even the
great teams, they've had a bad night, a bad this,

(07:11):
a bad whatever.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
And I think that's just kind of what it was.
Last night was just it.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
They fell behind early, nothing was clicking, nothing could go
wrong for Dallas.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Now you get to go home.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
And as you said, Jason, I'm kind of with you
is that I think the rest probably had no real
tangible effect on them in the same way that I
do think it probably did impact Dallas just because they
were playing such good basketball. And I do think, like,
let's get Boston credit is. I know it's a cliche,
easy talking point, but I think it's accurate. These guys

(07:45):
have all been here before. Don't get too high, don't
get too low. Virtually essentially the entire team has played
in the NBA Finals, whether it's true Holliday with another
team or the core of Tatum and Brown and these
guys that have played in the finals two years ago
against Golden State. So you know, I'd love to come
out here, you know, prior to Game five, you know

(08:05):
about whatever, thirty six hours away, for a little over
under forty eight hours away from Game five. I'd love
to come out with some smoldering hot take about how
this changes everything and whatever. Great win from the Dallas
Mavericks on Friday night, But I just don't know that
changes much about this series.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
In my opinion. No, I don't think that it does. Again.
If Dallas can win again, then we have something interesting.
Then we have Okay, now there's a little bit of
meat on this bone. I don't know if they're gonna
be able to do that or not. The Boston team
that has shown up for the most part in this
series has been the better team and the team that

(08:42):
most people thought would win it all before the playoffs started,
or certainly would advance to the finals, and if they
didn't win, they were the one team in the league
where it was going to be called a disappointment or
a failure if they didn't actually finish. It was kind
of similar in some ways to Yukon. If Yukon hadn't won,
it would have been a disappointment of a seat for
them in the run to their second national championship. This

(09:04):
Boston team, and you said it best a couple of
weeks ago, if not now win or if like you,
with the run that you had with you know, coming
up with Brunson getting hurt and all these guys getting
hurt along the way, that would have made it a
more difficult task for you. Certainly Halliburton going down and
not dealing with Donovan Mitchell and even Luca being tweaked
and questionable going into Game two of the finals and

(09:27):
all these things. You still have yourself right here. But
that's a really good basketball team and at times they
can lull you to sleep, and I think that for
a lot of us, they may have. It got very
trendy to pick Dallas watching the way that they again
were red hot, but the team that came out in
Game one was not that team. I think that we're

(09:48):
gonna know by halftime of Game five whether or not
we have a series of whether or not we're about
to see a coordination real quick. Just I think we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Know no real quick. And so I actually agree with that.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean, it feels, you know, it's pretty obvious if
if if if Dallas wins Game five, then obviously series
it's good. It's it's a complete game changer. When we
last spoke, I think you and I were both a
little bit hesitant on Boston. Are you surprised at how
good they looked or how dominant they were or whatever,
you know, descriptive words that you want to use through

(10:23):
the first three games, and you know, will you be
surprised at how easy it ultimately looked if they do
close things out on Monday.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Night, Yeah, maybe a little bit. But this is the
Boston team that was supposed to be here. This was
this is the form of this team that we were
anticipating seeing and then when they didn't give it to
us off and on, and when Indiana had an opportunity
to steal at least three of the four games that
they lost in their series, and it just like Boston

(10:51):
at times was in second gear and then at times
is in fifth. I think the way they came out
in Game one, and of course nobody was going to
predict the Christeps Worzengis was gonna come out and give
you twenty in that game and just go absolutely nuts
in the first half. But I think just generally the
contributions across the board and the defense that they've been playing,

(11:12):
and just how frustrated they have made both Luca and
Kyrie look at different times, how they have forced some
just terrible moves and a lot of turnovers and just
some bad ball handling, bad decision making and bad shots.
That's kind of what the Celtics. It's what you expected
them to do, but it's not necessarily what you thought

(11:33):
they might do. Like this is what you should do, Boston,
but I don't know if it's what you will do.
But if they showed up this way, then okay, they're
actually living up to what they're supposed to in this moment.
And I do think the discourse last week surrounding Tatum
versus Brown and kids saying what he said, I thought

(11:53):
that that was and we talked about it on this
program with Arnie and you know, maybe it was mind
games and all this, But the fascinating and interesting thing.
First off, I agreed with what Jason Kidd said, even
if he was speaking trying to get get under the
skin of one person or another. I would take Brown
over Tatum as well at this stage. But I thought

(12:14):
it was fascinating that Drew Holliday agreed with it after
the fact that he said, oh, I don't think what
kid said is wrong at all, and then he laid
out what Jaylen Brown had been doing and what he
had done in the conference finals. I don't that was
first off. I loved Drew Holiday, and I love his
honesty and just the way he goes about his business.
But him to say, yeah, I mean, Jalen Brown's a stud.
That's the thing. It's not a problem to have two superstars,

(12:36):
and when they're both showing up, or at least one
of them, and then you have those role players, Boston's
almost impossible to be.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
You know, I have a quick Jalen Brown or Jalen Brown. Yeah,
Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, take I'll tell you what. Let's
come back. We'll briefly continue that conversation. We do have
to get into the craziness of the week with with
one Caitlyn Clark, so we'll discuss Caitlin Clark. Next, we
will continue the conversation about the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2 (14:36):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Ertorris Jason Martin broadcasting
live from Thetiack dot Com studios. So Jamart, So I
was out for the last two weeks, Okay, And you know,
when you're away from this and away from everything sports
sports conversation, you start to like reflect on things a

(14:58):
little bit. And I I will say I'm a little
bit down on our business and our industry right now,
and I think, you know, the Caitlin Clark stuff, which
we'll talk about momentarily, I think heightens like the manufactured
conversation about everything, like like there are great sports conversations
to be had, and I also just think there's a

(15:19):
lot that's manufactured that is not based in any fact
or whatever. And so I bring it up because I
really had like that moment of clarity not only with
Caitlin Clark, but also with the Jalen Brown Jason Tatum discourse.
Like you know, again, I was a little bit unplugged,

(15:39):
but you're kind of paying attention to what's going on,
and it's like, you know, Jalen Brown's playing really well,
and it immediately turns into like, I mean, Jalen Brown
went for thirty four and nine, Jason Tatum's struggling. It's like,
is Jason Tatum an Alpha? Whose team is it? And
I'm like, and it's just you know, listen, I'd be

(16:00):
lying if I said I haven't had those conversations.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Is it's Steph's team?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Is it Kevin Durant like whatever, We've all had those conversations.
But it just feels totally manufactured. In this case, those
two guys seem to really like each other. They've been
teammates for like five six years. Tatum has certainly had
his moments. He had a fifty point game seven last
year against Philly, and Jalen Brown's playing better right now,
and it doesn't seem as though it's bothering Jason Tatum.

(16:26):
I mean, he said after Game two, He's like, just
because I didn't score a lot of points doesn't mean
I didn't impact the game, which he was one hundred
percent correct about, by the way. And so this isn't
like a huge like you know, we need to spend
ten minutes on it, but it's the whole like Brown
versus Tatum thing. It's like, Okay, well, Jason Tatum's really awesome.

(16:46):
Jalen Brown has been a little bit more awesome in
this series, and they're about to be NBA champions, so
who cares. But I still feel like it's like a
thing that like we have to like tear down Jason
Tatum build up Jalen Brown. It's it's one of those
conversations that feels like it's still being manufactured. We should
be over it.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
There's anything for you to add, but it's just an
observation that I made, and it's kind of annoying because
both guys are excellent players and they're gonna, frankly probably
almost certainly end up being NBA champions this year.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I mean, I think that's all really well stated. The
only thing that I have really said that differentiates the
two to me, I think overall the better basketball player,
the one with the most skill, is Tatum. The reason
I say I would take Brown and in what I
think there is a separation between the two, and I
think they compliment each other well in this way. There

(17:38):
are times when there is a competitive gear that Jalen
Brown shows that I don't see in Jason Tatum as consistently.
I think that sometimes he can rest on his talent
and Jalen Brown has to go that extra mile and
he does. I feel like when the team plays at
his heartbeat, they are un stable. When they play at

(18:01):
Tatum sometimes it's a little bit different. I just think
that the pulse of the team is more dangerous when
you're looking at it from Jalen Brown's perspective, and I
think that that's good for Tatum to have that around
him because listening to like when Brown was miked up
for I think it may have been Game three, one
of the last two games. The way he talked to
everybody on the team, from Tatum to Derek White to whomever,

(18:25):
like he talked like the leader of the team. He
talked like the guy that was getting everybody together, the
full crumb of everything that was happening, and everybody listened
to him, including Tatum. It wasn't There was nothing dismissive here.
There was nothing going on. The stuff about the MVP
in the Eastern Conference Finals was garbage. None of that
needed to be said. That was lowbrow stuff to like
take one bad screenshot of Tatum before he started cheering

(18:48):
for Brown's MVP win, to act like he was somehow
upset like that, right, there is trash like that. That's
the kind of thing that needs to be taken away
from what we do for a living, because that's just
trying to get clicks and all that mess. But I
do think it's a good problem to have. You have
two guys that I didn't necessarily think did compliment each

(19:09):
other well for a few years, but I'm wrong, and
I've seen it this year. One Jylen Brown is just
he is an outstanding basketball player who goes about his
business in a really professional manner, and he's just he's
good at everything outside of going to his left. But Tatum,
I think needs that guy. He needs somebody that's got

(19:31):
just a little bit of edge on the floor. It's just, hey,
we got to go take this thing and not just
kind of sit back and wait for it. So I
think that your point is right. They're both outstanding players.
I also think that they benefit from each other.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
No doubt, no doubt. And you know, I do wonder.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I'm sure there's an example that I can't think of
where maybe the most talented player isn't the quote unquote
alpha or leader or whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
You could argue the heat, You could honestly argue that
Dwayne Wade was kind of that was the elder statesman
between he and Lebron James.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Well, and listen, look, even when Lebron got to Cleveland,
who hit the shot that we all want to exactly right?
And so yeah, it's not like, you know, we need
to spend twenty minutes on it, but it just feels
like and I don't by the way, I don't want
to and I know you know that I'm not this
person like I don't want to be the sports talk
radio guy that doesn't have a strong opinion. I just

(20:26):
feel like at this point, this this conversation is being
manufactured because ultimately, if you're an NBA champion and Jalen
Brown played better in the playoffs, but guess what, you're
the NBA champion, I don't know that it really matters.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
There's twenty nine teams that would love to have that promt.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
So yeah, I just kind of look at it and say,
I'd rather not have a strong opinion than make one up.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe that's the right way.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I think that's more it. I mean, yes, I know
what I could say here. I just prefer not to
do that. There's plenty of other people in the business
to do that, and you know, God bless them, they
make a good living for doing it. But that's just
I'm not going down that pathway. No.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, And I have strong opinions about stuff that other
people would disagree.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
With, including where we're going next.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Oh yeah, no, I was thinking more like Ryan Day
when I when our buddy Ryan Day, I bought my
Jimbo Fisher. Oh yeah, well, poor guy, I don't know
if you're gonna get to dust that one of dust
the cobwebs off that one anytime soon, because that guy's uh,
living the high life, and I don't know, I don't
know he's coming back to football anytime soon. But there
is one person that certainly garners quite a bit of conversation.

(21:29):
That's of course, Kitlyn Clark, and I know you and
I both have a lot to say about this week.
And remember we used to have this week in baseball.
Oh yeah, yeah, this week in the Caitlin Clark discourse.
That is that is the new thing in sports.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
So tell you what.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
We'll come back. We'll talk about the latest with Caitlyn Clark.
Indiana fever that's next. Before we do, let's toss it
over the news desk, Stave the Sager. Good to see you,
my friend, how gat to see you, and welcome back.
And if only mel Allen were narrated again tomorrow. By
the way, Indiana now four and ten host Chicago. We

(22:03):
had two w NBA games today, Connecticut and New York winners.
Not that anything happened with the University of Connecticut, by
the way, while you were gone Aaron toileas.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
If you had just followed me, you would have known
there was never anything to worry about about that.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
Lakers did interview JJ Reddick today for their head coach opening.
You were talking NBA. The Finals continue Monday, with Boston
up three games to one and hosting Dallas. Great stat
from AP that never in the last sixty years of
NBA Finals has a team been trailing three games to
one while they're outscoring the opposition in the four games.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
I saw somebody reference that.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
Ye yeah, because Boston had won ten straight postseason games
until losing by thirty eight points last game. So still,
no NBA team has ever gone through its final two
rounds without a loss. Well, the hockey season continued tonight.
Edmonton got a home win of eight one over Florida.
Still the most lopsided game in the fun is an

(23:00):
eight to nothing Pittsburgh victory at Minnesota early nineties, but
Florida's lead is three games to one now with Game
five at Florida on Tuesday night. Bryson Deshamba leads the
US opened by three strokes after a third round sixty seven.
Rory McElroy is tied for second place. Bengals wide receiver
T Higgins signed his franchise tag programming note. The UFL

(23:21):
championship game is tomorrow on Fox TV five pm Eastern time,
Birmingham against San Antonio. At the EUROSCCER tournaments, Spain and
Switzerland with wins today and Italy defeated Albania two to
one on Fox. Albania's only goal came in the first
thirty seconds. Among the Sunday games a couple on FS
one Netherlands against Poland nine am Eastern and then at

(23:42):
noon Eastern on FS one Denmark against Slavinia. England's game
tomorrow will be on Fox TV three pm Eastern time,
England against Serbia. To Major League Baseball, the Dodgers are
trailing and they lost their starting pitcher due to some
measure of injury tonight. Maybe we'll find out more after
the game, but Kansas City's in the lead in LA

(24:03):
seven to two and the ninth. The Dodger starting pitcher
tonight was Yoshinobu Yamamoto six and two record. He left
after two innings. Triceps tightness is what the team calls it.
His velocity was down tonight. In the two other late
games it's bottom of the eighth at Colorado, Rockies ten
to four over the Pirates, and there's a game on
FS one from Arizona. The White Sox are winning two

(24:24):
to one over the Diamondbacks. In the top of the fifth.
The White Sox are eighteen and fifty three this year.
On Fox TV, Boston beat the Yankees tonight eight to four.
Juan Soto did hit his eighteenth homer. Detroit won at
Houston today thirteen to five, as Houston pitcher Justin Verlander
was scratched from his start with his sore neck. Baltimore
over Philadelphia six to two. The Cubs beat Saint Louis

(24:47):
five to one, winning pitchers. Show to Imanaga is seven
and one. Oakland at Minnesota rained out. They'll play a
doubleheader tomorrow. And speaking of rain, after a big thunderstorm
at Omaha, they have I've started the late game just
about fifteen minutes ago Florida against Texas A and M
so they're scoreless in the first at this hour long

(25:09):
rain delay at the start. No rain expected tomorrow. The
Sunday forecast is ninety five degrees in windy there. But
we've had three games so far in the tournament and
three walkoffs. North Carolina and number one Tennessee yesterday and
then today Kentucky and ten innings beat NC State five
four on a two out home run at the College
World Series.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Seger, Fox
Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday, Aaron Tors Jason Martin broadcasting
live from the tyreck dot Com studios. So one thing
that when I left, like I said, and I said
this to lead the show, but I left right as

(25:48):
the conference finals were kind of ramping up. We're kind
of closing down. Excuse me, Boston, I believe had already clinched.
I think there was one more game in the Western
Conference Finals. I bring it up because I remember thinking
at the time, I'm my goodness, if we go six, seven,
eight days without an NBA game to discuss the Caitlyn

(26:10):
Clark discourses are going to be insane. Well, I'll bring
it up because I've been off, you know whatever, ten
days or so. We've blown There's been about seven different
ones since I left. I missed the whole Olympics conversation
that is so a week ago. But there is a
new one, Jason. So let's set this up Caitlin Clark,

(26:31):
obviously Indiana Fever, prior to the game on Thursday night,
was asked a question, Mary, do we have that first
sound piece of audio? Okay, go ahead and play this.
Caitlyn Clark questioned an answer from Thursday night.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
I think no matter what you do or what it's
done to you, it would become for top of the nationally,
and a lot of times it becomes to life year.

Speaker 8 (26:53):
I wonder from your standpoint, how do you feel about
people using young man in whatever culture wars or whatever
wars or five?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
How do you about that?

Speaker 9 (27:02):
It's not something I can control, so you know, I
don't put too much thought and time into thinking about
things like that. And to be honest, I don't see
a lot of it. Like I've said, like fastball's my job,
like everything on the outside, I can't control that, So
I'm not going to spend time thinking about that. You know,
people can talk about what they want to talk about,

(27:22):
creating conversations about, you.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Know, whatever it is.

Speaker 9 (27:24):
But I think for myself, like you know, I'm just
here to play basketball.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Perfectly reasonable answer what any parent I would assume. I'm
not a parent, but Jason, you probably would he tell
your kids, hey, control you can control, focus on what
keep the main thing, the main thing. Unfortunately, that very
reasonable answer was not satisfactory, and then we got this question,
Klen how you mentioned that you know.

Speaker 8 (27:49):
You want to focus right on basketball.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
We definitely respect that. When just ask you oritional people
use your name, racist or usage or whatever, what is
your response to beast?

Speaker 9 (28:00):
Yeah, I think it's disappointing. I think everybody in our world,
you know, who serves them the same amount of respect.
The women in our league deserve the same amount of respect.
So people should not be easy my name to church
those agendas. She's disappointing.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
That was Caitlyn Clark now addressing again she was asked
about people using her name in quote unquote culture war.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
She said, I focus, I keep the main thing the
main thing.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Can't talk about what we can't control, can't control what
people talk about. That wasn't enough. Followed up did say
that she didn't like people using their names. Jason, are
you a fan of Greek history? Because they used to say,
I won't. I'll just get to the point here. They
used to say Helen of Troy was the woman her
face launched a thousand ships Caitlyn Clark launched a thousand

(28:48):
takes by simply deciding to say one that she's just whatever,
you know, whatever. Then when she had the audacity to say, yeah,
I know, you probably shouldn't be using my name, my goodness,
where the takes on fire yesterday, Jason, I know you
have a lot of thoughts on not so much what
she said, but more so the reaction to what.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
She said yesterday or Thursday should say I think the
basketball is deteriorating before our eyes, and I mean the basketball,
because that's not to talk anymore. What she does on
the floor is becoming largely irrelevant because everybody wants a

(29:33):
piece of Caitlyn Clark for their ideology. They want a
piece of Caitlyn Clark so that they can basically use
her as a symbol to push whatever it is that
they need to push. And that's on all sides. It
is every one of us has anybody that says they're
completely neutral on anything. As a liar, it's impossible not

(29:55):
to have an opinion on something. We talked about not
having a scorching hot take, but at the same time
we probably lean in one direction or another. But when
it comes to Caitland Clark, she's the lightning rud. I
remember sending you a message a couple of months prior to,
or maybe during the during the Iowa run in the
NCAA tournament, where I said, watch what happens when she

(30:17):
gets to the WNBA, and watch how they treat her,
and watch how the players go after her, and all
of these kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
You literally said, I'm afraid she might get hurt. And
I was even like, dude, come on, And that was
one of the many discourses that I missed. That's not
what we're talking about now, But you did say that
back in probably February March.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
So what she's being asked to do right now is
she's saying, look, I just want to play basketball. She's
not out leading rallies saying anything about anybody. She's not
out there speaking against one group or another. All she's
doing is being Caitlin Clark. Now, she's super competitive and
she trash talks like everybody else in the WNBA and

(30:59):
everybody else in every team sport. But she is also
who she is. She is from the Midwest, she's white,
she's straight. She plays basketball at a very high level,
and unfortunately that's just not good enough. It's not good
enough on the WNBA side, because she needs to be
a champion of the message. She needs to be a

(31:20):
champion of what they're a champion of. And really she
just wants to play basketball. And because her stardom has happened,
then everything that she does gets magnified. But to assume
that she needs to answer for everybody that goes on
too some forum and says something that is objectively racist
or whatever like that. And I don't mean the stuff
that you try to draw that out of it. I

(31:43):
mean like the blatant comments, which I'm sure there are some.
I haven't really seen any of them, but I'm sure
there are some. It's not her responsibility to do that.
We don't ask that of people, at least we don't
ask that of one half of the political aisle. One
thing that I find fascinating is if you happen to
be a conservative politician and somebody does something crazy on

(32:06):
your side of the aisle, every single one of them
is asked, do you agree with this? Should should this
be allowed? You need to speak out against this? All
this kind of stuff. It doesn't happen on the other
side of the Aisle. Caitlin Clark has to answer for
all of this because she's not on the right side,
because she doesn't fit the right bill. It has nothing
to do with her basketball. When you want to look

(32:26):
at the USA thing, people were bending over backwards to say,
from a basketball perspective and a team chemistry perspective, you
can't put her on the team and all this kind
of stuff. I have my say about that last week.
Everybody else has had their say anyway, but they're twisting
themselves into knots to try and explain why it's a
basketball thing when nothing about this has anything to do

(32:48):
with basketball. I don't even just mean the US thing.
I mean every take that you see is increasingly less
about her stats, less about her growth as a player,
less about what she's doing as a rookie and where
she's learning and where she's still has time to grow,
and more about the latest person that said something to
her or mocked her on the floor or pushed her down,
or this person that asked her this question in this

(33:10):
press conference, or she didn't have the right answer to
this or this and that, and it's sad. As powerful
as she could be from a star perspective. I feel
true sympathy for her because she cannot just be a
basketball player now. She can't just actually go out and
do what she says she's doing because they're not going
to allow it. They would rather their league fail in

(33:33):
a spectacular dumpster fire than her be the face of it.
It drives them insane. They can say that this isn't
true all that they want, but their actions, their words,
and even the mouthpieces in the media seem to make
it obvious.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, no, it's incredible. And that was it was interesting
because again, just just be in a way. You know,
you're watching from a distance. You know, I mostly had
my phone away, but you would see stuff and I
bring it up because it.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Really just struck me.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Is we're no longer talking about again, exactly what you said.
We're not talking about man, she went five for seventeen
from the field last night.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
What does that mean? She has become?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
And I think yesterday Friday is the most egregious example
of it to date.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
She's a political pawd now.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
She is the vehicle that people use to make a
point about whatever societal ills one way or another.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
I won't take your Greek analogy she's the trojan horse. Yeah,
she's They're inside the trojan horse. They're just using her
to then push their point of view.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, we saw it yesterday. I'm not gonna name a name,
but we all know who it is. One of the
most prominent voices in sports media decided to use her
comments about not wanting to comment on Donald Trump Rural America.
There was a lot of bizarre takes and it just
struck me. She she is no longer a basketball player.
She is a political pawn. Everybody is using her as

(35:06):
a mouthpiece to get whatever point across they want. I'll
tell you what, Jason, I do have more thoughts on this,
and I have a broader question that needs to be
discussed as far as Kaitlyn Clark and really just frankly,
the discourse around Kaitlin Clark, because again, Kaitlyn Clark just
wants to play basketball, but the discourse around her and
the people that want to talk other things won't allow it.
So we'll come back one big question about Kaitlyn Clark.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
That's next.

Speaker 10 (35:28):
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Speaker 3 (35:47):
Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
So Jaymark, before the break, we were talking a little
bit about a lot about Caitlyn Clark and really how
at this point, for whatever reason, it's no not for
whatever reason, it's just it is what it is. It's
no longer really about basketball. I I to use any
I can't think of another term to you. She's a
political pond. People are on either side are using her

(36:11):
to get whatever message, whatever message they want to talk about.
They're using her as the vehicle to get there. And
it was funny because I was thinking about, you know,
obviously we played all the audio, but it wasn't just
the audio.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
It was then the players in the league.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
That we're saying, you know, the whole you know, how
can you not stand up for this? How can you
not stand up for that? Blah blah blah. And it's
just it's so interesting to me. And I was thinking
about this is that everybody you know, and I saw
even some people are like, she has an obligation to
speak out on blah blah blah blah, blah, And it's like,

(36:52):
I just I find it interesting, and it's it's it's
a question, but it's not a question. Is it's just
wild to me? Is that one that we expect our
athletes who literally they're training, they don't have time to
read up on the gaza strip and you know this
political issue and that political issue whatever. But it is

(37:14):
kind of amazing, isn't it, Jason. We all want athletes
to speak out as long as it's with a message
that we agree with. Like when Aaron Rodgers speaks out
about the VACS, I don't hear a lot of people saying,
thank god Aaron Rodgers shared his stance on whatever. But
then you have this guy talking about that issue, that

(37:34):
girl talking about that issue, And it's like, I give
Katelin Clark so much credit because she's just not playing
the game. She's just not going down the road that
people want her to go down, because I truly believe,
in my heart of heart, she does just want to
play basketball, and I actually feel bad that she continues
to be put in these situations where people are like

(37:56):
pere pressuring her to have an opinion on things that frankly,
she probably just doesn't have an opinion because she's in
the gym playing basketball twelve thirteen hours a day.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yep, that's right, and it's not good enough, and nothing
is going to be good enough. There is a movement
against her that she's not going to be able to stop.
So look, actually, it's a saddening situation because now even
her basketball stats are not going to be about basketball.

(38:27):
When she has thirty, it's going to be cheers from
one side, and when she has five, it's going to
be cheers from the other side. Because it's all trying
to confirm an existing worldview. It's not about actually learning anything.
It's not about letting her be her own person, it's
not about any of these things. Since the world made
her a star, since the country made her a star,

(38:50):
now she's obligated to do all these things, and if
she doesn't want to do it, it's not going to
be good enough, and she's going to be talked about
in really negative ways for a long time. You know,
it's not surprisingly, but I think the most one of
the most salient points that I've heard made about Caitlin

(39:12):
Clark's situation came from Serena Williams. Yep, Serena Williams on
Thursday said, I love that she tries to stay grounded.
She says she doesn't look at her social media. I
get it. I don't either. I think it's so important
to just continue to do what she's doing, no matter
what other people do. If people are negative, it's because
they can't do what you do. Hopefully she'll continue to

(39:33):
do what she's doing. And then you've got veteran reporters
writing things like, well, Kitlin Clark finally got it right,
and all this other kind of stuff, and throwing all
this stuff at her because she doesn't have this political
stance or that. Think about her age, think about her
rookie season and how she's learning and she's growing and

(39:54):
all of these things. But no, she has to speak
out against everything that you want her to speak out against.
And if she happened to be speaking out four things
that you didn't like, it wouldn't be good enough. Either.
She can't even have her own opinion. She has to
have yours. If she doesn't have yours, she loses, and
if she doesn't have any, she loses. So what is

(40:15):
she supposed to do. She's supposed to say, I'm just
concentrating on the basketball, which is exactly what she said.
And guess what, that wasn't enough either. This has become
tiresome and it honestly is exposing everyone except Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, so really quick, that's the last thing we're up against.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
It.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
What I keep going back to, I understand why listen.
I don't think it's right. I think players I hate
to say it, I'm just gonna say it. I don't
care if it's on popular. Sheould be grateful for the
audience that she's brought in, But where is the commissioner?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Like, where are the adults.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
In the room?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
You know, I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I don't even know how to fully explain it, but
it's like, where is the commissioner showing any level of
gratitude having her back publicly?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I just I feel like this is such a colossal
failure at every level of basketball. The Olympic Committee, the WNBA,
the Indiana Fever, teammates not having a back, coaches not
having her back.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Tell you what, Jason, we got a lot more to
talk about, including the Los Angeles Lakers.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Do they have a coach? What's going on? That's next.
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(41:46):
tire buying should be. It is midnight Eastern on the
East Coast, obviously, which means it's Sunday. It's Father's Day.
Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there, Jamart,
I know it's still Saturday in Nashville, but happy Father's
Day to you, my man. You guys, got any fun
plans for tomorrow or today or whatever day it is?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
No? Not really, I mean, nothing too fancy. I had
some minor surgery on Friday, so I'm just kind of
in recovery mode this weekend, so I'll probably be watching
some college baseball tomorrow. Got the UFL Championship and relaxed.
Oh that's true, I forgot all about that.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
What more could a father ask for?

Speaker 1 (42:24):
US Open Final Round? True? That is and a good
I mean look, you got Bryson Deshamba and Rory McElroy
in the top three, and who knows what happens because
it's the US Open, So I think there's definitely something
compelling happening in Pinehurst tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
So US Open is tomorrow, UFL is tomorrow, NBA Finals
is on Monday. But Happy Father's Day to all the
fathers out there. But you're feeling okay, by the way,
j Martin, not to put too much on you here
to lead the hour, but you know you said minor surgery.
Everything's I assume everything's okay if you're here. But everything's okay,
everything's good.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Just had to get the leg cut on a little
bit yesterday. Nothing, nothing too big. Just requires about a
week of being kind of cautious and not being on
my feet too much. But we're gonna be just fine.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Perfect well, plenty plenty to watch tomorrow. Happy Father's Day
to everybody out there. For those on the East Coast,
it is Sunday, uh. And for those on the East Coast,
especially in the Northeast, you got your your college basketball
coach back at the University Connecticut Jays. Let's talk big
picture Lakers. First of all, I'm curious, you know, you

(43:27):
and Arnie came on last Saturday, kind of in the
heat of Dan Hurley hysteria. What did I want to
talk about the JJ Reddick portion of this? Obviously, as
de Segre just told us, he did officially interview today,
But what was your take on the entire Hurly situation?
Obviously I had my thoughts and I'll share them momentarily,

(43:49):
But curious, just did you buy that story? Did you
not buy it?

Speaker 6 (43:52):
Like?

Speaker 1 (43:52):
What?

Speaker 9 (43:52):
What?

Speaker 1 (43:52):
What?

Speaker 3 (43:53):
What were your thoughts on.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
That when I first heard it, When I you know,
when we woke up Thursday and that was the storyline
and you had the woes. I actually sent Arnie a
text and I was like, well, this has got to
be done right, Like, this doesn't leak out if they
don't already have this thing almost done, because it becomes
a real egg on your face situation if you don't
get this. So it just doesn't seem like this is

(44:14):
something that would even get revealed. Because Dan Hurley's name,
to my at least to my eyes, I had not
seen it anywhere up until that point. Now it made
sense when I was like, okay, well, of course maybe
they were talking to him, but I hadn't seen that report.
He wasn't in the list of candidates, he wasn't in
the the odds that we were getting emailed, none of
that kind of stuff. So when I saw it, like, oh, okay,

(44:36):
well obviously this has been going on behind closed doors.
But it got very quiet, very quickly, like you had
what happened on Thursday and then Friday. Okay, he's gonna
take the weekend and he's going to talk to them.
And my immediate thought was if he ends up back
on the East Coast, he's going nowhere. And by the

(44:56):
time we hosted, Arnie and I hosted on Saturday, we
predicted the end of the show what was going to
be true for Dan Hurley, and I said, he's going
to turn them down. He's going to turn that job down.
I don't think there's I felt pretty confident about it.
And then I got an email from you know, the
one of the people that does Fox kind of their
betting stuff that that sends out stuff to the staff,
and he said they had I think it was eighty

(45:18):
percent he was going to leave. And I was like, really,
what do they know that I don't because I don't
think he's going anywhere. And so when you found out
he was going to make the decision on Monday, I
just said, there's no way you would have gone to
the East coast to then leave. So I predicted he
was not going to leave, even before I knew that
he had gone back east, and then of course he didn't,
and then I started wondering how serious this ever was so.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
To me, So first of all, did you did you
guys see the video of him at the concert while
you guys were on air on Saturdy.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, I already mentioned it. Actually he mentioned He says,
what does this mean? I said, I don't know what
it means. He goes, Is he celebrating because he's he's
just taking a big payday with the Lakers. I'm like,
he's probably celebrating because he's had a concert and he's
Dan Hurley and he's living his best life right now.
I don't think it really means anything one way or
the other about his decision.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, it was interesting, I obviously being away, but I
got sent that video and so just I'm not taking
a victory lap, but I never thought it was real.
And I'll tell you it was crazy for me because
one obviously my ties to Yukon, but I you know,
I was on vacation and it was my last day
and we were going to the airport. But the story
broke it like the initial story, the first story of

(46:27):
you know, that he's meeting, that they're going to meet,
and that he's the primary candidate.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
It broke it like six point fifty eight Eastern time
or something, And so I actually woke up pretty early
on the West coast on Thursday because I had to
catch a flight at like six am, and by then
there were already two three news cycles that had gone
with it. And I'll just you know, I'll be honest
from my perspective, like nothing about it really added up

(46:52):
first of all. And I said this at the time.
You know, there's never been a prominent job opening in
the history of job openings in which you know, Woch
tried to sell it as, oh, he's been the leader
all along, and it's like, well, no one's ever waited
five weeks to talk to the person that they when
he when he or she was available, So right away,

(47:12):
that doesn't pass the smell test. In the article from
woj Uh, it didn't pass the smell test of you know,
there was there was a quote in the article about
like not a quote, but a you know, a paragraph
where he's like, you know, and and the opportunity to
develop Bronnie James, and I was like, that is not
why Dan Hurley's thinking about that, And it felt like

(47:34):
kind of a planted story from both sides. And I
actually took the concert to mean, like I think Dan
Hurley is. I know, he's obviously a very intelligent guy.
I think he's smart enough to know not only from
the fan perspective of how bad it would look if
he took that job, but also you know, his players
are on social media too, and I think if you're
out partying on a Saturday night Sunday, you break their hearts.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
It's a good point it Yeah, I'll tell you. You know,
it's funny.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
The only moment where I it's so funny, the only
moment where I actually thought that he was leaving. It
was so crazy all weekend long, I said, this is
to get a raise, and I know Dan Hurley Sen
said that that's stupid, that it's not about leverage, blah blah.
I said, it's only to get him a new contract,
to get whatever he wants, and then it's also a
cover for the Lakers so they can hire JJ Redick.

(48:23):
The only moment where I was nervous and it's so funny,
the last fifteen minutes and you're not really on social
as much, and that's a decision you've made. I totally
respect it, but I say it to say. Right before
the announcement became official, there was video from the facility
of Dan Hurley's wife showing up to the facility, and
everybody on social media was like, well, I mean, you

(48:45):
don't show up if you're leaving, and I'm like, I
actually think it's the exact opposite, Like does she show
up on a normal Monday, like you know, So there
was like one thing for like seventy two hours.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
I was like, he's not leaving.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
We're good. He's not leaving, We're good. And the last
fifteen minut I was like, why would his wife show
up if they weren't saying goodbye? So anyway, it's done.
You know, JJ Reddick is interviewing, you know, I want
to get to JJ Reddick maybe on the other side,
but I want to start with this Jason, because this
was another thing that to me like There was only

(49:17):
one thing that I was really surprised by about the
conversation about the Dan Hurley aspect, which was and again,
whenever I say anything, I'm the Homer Yukon guy. I'm
out to touch him out of perspective whatever. But people
were like, well, wait, when the Lakers call, you don't
turn down the Lakers. And I said like, wait, wait
a second. Now you know, Jerry Buss ain't walking through

(49:39):
that door, Magic Johnson ain't walking through that door. Kobe
ain't walking through that door. And my question for you, Jason,
and maybe I'm a little biased because my coach turned
it down, but in a moment whatever, I don't think
the Lakers job is desirable right now because if you
look at it, and this was something I was saying,
was like, you look at it from Dan Hurley's perspective.
The last coach of the Lake made the Western Conference

(50:02):
finals and got fired a year later. The coach before
that won in NBA title and was fired within two years.
And so this is not me saying that Dan Hurley
will never leave yu Kon, but to leave everything he's
built on the precipice of almost unprecedented history of your

(50:22):
going for three straight and nobody's done that in forever.
To leave that for a place where you have two
bad weeks, you know that first story is gonna oh,
you know the you know the the sources in the
Lakers locker room say whatever. I just that was the
part that I didn't understand was like, I don't feel

(50:43):
like the Lakers job with a forty year old Lebron
James who's going to demand, whether it's public or not,
that you draft his son, is that a good job
in twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five, because I
don't think that it is.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Personally, No, it's not at all. And that was one
of the things that we talked about last week. You
are almost walking into a surefire rebuild a couple of
years from now. First off, he's gonna leave pretty soon,
he's gonna be done, and then it's going to be
I guess Anthony Davis's team. But there's a lot of
work that needs to be done. There's been a lot
of bad decisions made, and you've fallen behind I think

(51:20):
this season from a talent standpoint compared to the rest
of the conference. You're seeing other teams on the come up,
while at best, you stayed where you were, and if
you stayed where you were as everyone else advanced, you
actually fell behind. So you look at all of that,
the fact that you're coming off of back to back
national championships at Yukon on the East Coast, where your
family loves to be Arnty made a pretty salient point.

(51:43):
I thought as well. He said, if this is a
NIXT job, we might have a different conversation here. I
agree with and I think he's right that I think
the East would make sense. I don't think the Lakers
made sense for Dan Hurley. And I remember, you know,
seeing Oh it's they're gonna be must watch with Dan Hurley,
I'm like, are they really like what? I? I mean?
He might be interesting and maybe there's a Harball factor

(52:05):
here a little bit or something, But as long as
Lebron James is there, he's taken all the oxygen. And
I just don't know that I looked at it. I
was just like, of the two situations. The only thing
that I continue to look at when any college coach
is rumored towards an NFL position, NBA position, whatever, I
understand it because I wouldn't want to be part of
that nil stuff. Either, I wouldn't want to be part

(52:27):
of the NCAA now cannot enforce anything, even up to
an unlimited transfer. Guys can leave however they want, whenever
they want all these things. Maybe that is not an
environment you want to be in. Nick Saban, I think
he was done at that point. Jay Wright saw the
writing on the wall. Maybe he didn't want that party either.
You look at Dan Hurley, You're as hot as you're

(52:49):
ever going to be. You have thought about the NBA
in the past, maybe long before you've won a couple
national championships, but your ego would like to win at
that level. So it made sense from just like a
thirty thousand foot view standpoint, But not for the Lakers.
That was the biggest part of it, where it's just

(53:09):
I mean, I get it for the Lakers, but not
for Dan Hurley. I actually think his spot at Connecticut
is much better. The worst job in sports is to
be Lebron James's head coach at this point in his career. Yeah,
there's nothing good that comes from that. The success is

(53:30):
not gonna go to you talk to all the coaches
that he's won with, if you can remember their names,
but anything that goes wrong is gonna fall on you.
It's not gonna fall on him because just let's face it,
Lebron has a lot of people that write a lot
of words and talk a lot on television that are
pretty close to him and Rich Baul and so it
it puts that onus, on you, and so all of

(53:53):
this just kind of it just it never felt like
Dan Hurley should do this. I looked at him just
I understand the money, but I feel like I would
bet on myself rather than taking this. You can get
a better job than this. I know it's the Lakers,
but this is not the showtime Lakers that HBO has
made a series about. This is the twenty twenty four
Lakers that really weren't a factor in any way, shape

(54:17):
or form.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah, and that was my That was and is my takeaways.
You know, people say, oh, you know he can't turn
on a later. A lot of people are because you
know they're almost certainly going to end up with a
first year, first time head coach. And yeah, that one
to me, like I said, is I think there is
probably there will be other opportunities for Dan Hurley if

(54:38):
he wants them. I'd be naive if I didn't think
at some point he isn't gonna want to scratch that itch.
But it was just the organization, the timing. I think, listen,
waiting until June, if the Lakers really, if he really
was the priority, do it in May when his players
are still going through the NBA draft process. You know,
he had guys coming back to camp, he had guys

(55:00):
that turned down the NBA. It's just the timing to me,
didn't make sense. The job didn't make sense. And I'll
lastly say this is that I do think there is
something to being at that concert. You're back and this
is what I said, is like you're back on the
East coast less than twenty four hours later. Like you know,
we'd have to get Bernie Fratto on to talk about

(55:20):
all the details. But I remember when Jim Harbaugh and
the Chargers heated up, it was like a six seven,
eight day courtship where they back and forth this and that.
Harbaugh's in la Is agents are hammering out everything, and
it's like to go out and back in twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Again.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I clearly, obviously I respect the heck out of Dan Hurley.
By no means am I saying that he's a liar
or anything. But I just I know he said that
he wasn't using that in any way, shape or form
for leverage. I will say, by the way, in the
same court where he said, anyone who thinks I use
this for leverage as an idiot. He then followed that
up immediately by saying, my contract's done, but we got

(55:57):
to get some stuff done for my assistance.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Nil.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Except so in some ways he was using it for leverage.
But like I said, he's an incredible coach. Miama Mater
is lucky to have him. I'm not naive enough to
think he's gonna be there forever. But it never felt
like the right fit. And I do wonder was it
also a cover for the Lakers so they could hire
the guy that they want. Tell you what, Jason, we'll

(56:20):
come back. We'll discuss that next Fox Sports Radio. That's right,
Welcome back Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
You know where that actually comes from.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Welcome Back Cotter.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
You know. Weirdly enough, Mary and the crew did not
know this, but a couple of weeks ago, a production
company sent me the complete Welcome Back Codder series to review.
Really yeah, because it just got released for the first
time in DVD, or it's gonna be wow like the
entire series, and I was just kind of like, all right,
and now I hear it here, just one of those
moments of weird deja vu that means absolutely nothing. Unlike

(56:56):
you didn't hear about Arnie trying to send us to
break a couple of week weeks ago in the second hour.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Did you No, I will say really quickly. I did
once call Arnie the original sweat Hog and he thought
that was like the funniest thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
That actual.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
So for people who've never seen the show, the sweat
Hogs was like the crew at whatever high school this was,
and welcome back Hodder. But so tell me about Arnie
trying to throw.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
What Let's wait till the Seger comes back on and
we'll talk then, because he was involved, and we have
the audio for you to hear.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
What what what is? What is clunkier Arnie throwing a break?
Or JJ Reddick being an NBA had a nice transition.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
They don't pay me the big bucks as a weekend
guy for nothing?

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Baby transition three Reddick can't even hit right down there.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Nope, take that, JJ, block me on Twitter. How darn you.
All right, let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
So part of the Hurley thing was I do think
it was the Hurley timing only makes sense, it doesn't
make sense. And so the Lakers really kind of sort
of maybe interviewed a guy or two, but nobody takes
this long to hire a coach unless your coach is unavailable,

(58:07):
and so I've always thought it was gonna be Reddick,
he formally interviewed today. You know, I have my my
issues with him from the past, but I'm just curious,
like I don't I mean, I don't know. I don't
think it's gonna work, but I think it's not gonna
work more because I don't think anyone can work with
Lebron at this point in his career. To the point

(58:27):
that we made prior to the break, this isn't twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Lebron.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Having him on your team doesn't guarantee you a trip
to the NBA Finals, and so you still have to
deal with that. You have to deal with the Broni element.
And I that's my only real JJ Reddick take is
I don't know if he's a good coach or not,
but I think having to deal with Lebron at this
point in his career is gonna be tough. And I'll

(58:52):
tell you this, I think it's gonna be a fascinating
experience to watch here going forward.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
It's definitely gonna be interesting. I the whole thing's just
been baffling to me, and at the same time it
makes all the sense in the world. For reasons I
talked to you about weeks ago, I had sent you randomly,
I don't know, six eight weeks ago. This is like
link to the Athletic because they were doing this piece
where they were just fawning all over this podcast that

(59:19):
it started with Lebron and JJ Reddick breaking down things
like it was deep. They were comparing it to detail
with Peyton Manning or the Lake, Kobe Bryant or all this,
and oh, it's amazing listening to them break all these
kinds of things down. And I was just like, why
are you treating this as if this is the greatest
thing that's ever happened. I don't quite understand, but maybe

(59:41):
I should check out this podcast. And then when Darvin
Ham gets fired, all of a sudden, JJ Reddick's the
top of the list and he's being reported by Shams
and everything else. Interestingly enough, the weirdest part of this
whole thing, including the Day and Hurley stuff, is Reddick
going after Shams Sharania, him going on Mike Golick and
My Gowick Junior show on their network and saying, you

(01:00:06):
know that thing with Shams, We're gonna have to talk
about that. He said, this is the quote, he said,
my focus is on the NBA Finals. I'm gonna say
that in terms of Shams. That will be addressed once
the season is over. I'll just say that. And then
they were just like, Okay, well come on our show
and break it when you get the job whatever. And
he's like, hey, I didn't mean any job, I mean Shams,
like personally after the season. We'll wait on that one,

(01:00:28):
he said. So he like sort of veiledly kind of
veiled threat because Shams had put out that he was
the leader in the clubhouse. Also found it interesting that
the WOJ bomb came twenty four hours after Shams put
up the post that JJ Reddick was the leader. That
it was, you know, moving towards a conclusion and we
all know and if you've read Ethan Strauss's excellent substack,

(01:00:48):
where he's gone into detail about Woljeneowski in particular, but
just kind of the business of especially the NBA reporter.
Those two guys don't like each other very much and
they are constant competing for scoops and all this thing.
So there's a lot behind all of this where we
could get into a much different discussion, which we won't now,

(01:01:08):
just about being first and trying to one up and
trump the other guy and all this kind of stuff.
But the Reddick thing is just I don't I guess
it could work. I mean, we have seen this kind
of thing, but I mean, he hasn't coached anywhere, he
hasn't coached anywhere outside what like Little League or something
like that. He's gone on TV and he's made friends

(01:01:29):
with Lebron James and now he's gonna go be the
Lakers head coach. That that's what we're doing. That that
seems like that seems like it's destined for him to
be a scapegoat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
By the way, I will say, first of all, I
had not seen JJ Redick's Sham's quote again just traveling.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
I think it just fell through the cracks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
But I immediately put that together as well is that
Scham's put says JJ Redick has emerged as the favorite
or whatever, and immediately, wow, it's not enough to just
say Dan Hurley's interviewing Dan Hurley has always been the favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
That felt and he also.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Kind of they if you read the report in the
original woch bomb, he also kind of undercut Reddick. He
kind of talked about, yeah, you know, Reddick's name is
out there, but he wasn't even talked to They talked
to Barrego and all these other kinds of things like
it seemed like if you read it, he was basically
trying to discredit chams is his own reporting, which I'm
just like, do we really need this well?

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
And then the other thing was, you know woj had
the quote unquote report if you will me, so of
course you know Hurley was the favorite all along, but
of course the WOJE report comes out right after Game three,
in other words, when JJ Reddick will actually be available
to speak to the Lakers about the job. It just

(01:02:47):
feels like to me, and again I'm not trying to
be the guy that again doesn't have an opinion on things,
but we're gonna find out down the road. If JJ
Redick is the right guy or not, but like, why
are the Lakers moving so slow unless their guy was
not available. I also thought it was interesting from the
JJ Redick perspective. He was asked about it before the

(01:03:08):
NBA Finals. He goes, I'll address my future after the finals.
If there's nothing to address, what are we addressing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Then you just say I'm not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Yeah, I have nothing to address. So it's been weird.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
You know, at some point, you know, who knows, maybe
someone will do the in depth what really went down,
but it's it feels like it's gonna be Reddick. He's
such a strange cat. I mean, just no, because I
had not seen the Shams thing, and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Like, that's a weird deal right there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
What exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I'm a little confused that I do want to get
to Disager and we'll talk some other stuff, but I'm
a little confused as to what he would be mad about,
Like what that he linked the name to him? I mean,
you did have even according to Wojes, there was to
sit down with the Lakers at the NBA Draft combine,
probably too three weeks ago. So I don't know, it's
just that seems weird and then obviously you know you

(01:04:05):
know this, a lot of people don't, but like my
personal history where you try to get tough with me
that one time, and it's like, who are you trying
to impress?

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
And by the way, I think that's a real thing
that will be interesting to monitor is like JJ Reddick
seems to be very aware of what everyone is saying
about him at all times, and you can't do that
when you're the Lakers coach, and you can't do that
when you're Lebron's coach. So anyway, Fox Sports Radio erra
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(01:04:35):
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come back and talk a little NFL with Aaron Rodgers,

(01:04:57):
But we do need to get to the Sager. Can
you talk about the ultimate teas in radio history. I
need to know what the heck Arnie did a few
weeks ago when he was tossing tossing a brake.

Speaker 7 (01:05:06):
So yeah, let's say it may not have gone well, no,
it may not have by the way you were mentioning,
welcome back, Cotter. The guy who show that was Gabe
Kapla was a sports talk radio host in Los Angeles
on our LA affiliate, the Dodger Station. Now back then
it was the Lakers station. It was the Lakers station
four decade but back in the early nineties. Yeah, and

(01:05:29):
he was very into the professional poker.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Yes, I will tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
I don't have a lot of like joint memories of
like my childhood with my parents, but they one of
them was into that. I think it was my dad,
and like whenever it was on the series, Yeah, the series,
And so when it they started to rerun it on
tv Land, like the three of us, me and my
mom and my dad sat down and watched it. So
that's one of the few shows from that era, not
to date, anybody that's old enough to remember it. But

(01:05:54):
I haven't seen a lot of shows like pre nineties
but I've seen I know all about this what.

Speaker 7 (01:06:00):
Hawk once it got on TV Land. That was roughly
the time he was the sports talk radio show, because
in the nineties it was getting a little more popular
again it had been on in the seventies. This was
pre Saturday Night Fever that John Travolta turned out to
be the star of that show, playing one of the students. Well.
Stanley Cup Final will continue with Game five at Florida

(01:06:21):
on Tuesday night. Panthers were leading this series three games
to none and then they got rocked eight to one
Edmonton Tonight's final. In fact, the Oilers, when they score
at least three goals in the first period undefeated this season.
This is the eleventh time they've done that, including tonight
eleven to zero. In those instances, Florida had won six
straight games since trailing the East Final. This is an

(01:06:44):
Oilers team that fired their head coach early in the
season with a record of three to ten at the time,
they are at least still alive, but they head on
the road for Game five Tuesday. The NBA Finals continue Monday,
and yes, the Lakers interviewed JJ Reddick today for their
head coach opening WNBA and New York with wins. Bryson
de'shambo leads the US opened by three Strokes. Bengals wide

(01:07:05):
receiver T Higgins signed his franchise tag one late game
in Major League Baseball. It's on FS one and the
White Sox are winning. That alone is new seven to
two at Arizona's the score in the top of the eighth.
The White Sox on the road this year are six
and thirty. Kansas City wins in LA seven to two
over the Dodgers, and Dodgers starting pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto might

(01:07:27):
be going onto the injured list. He left after two
innings tonight with triceps tightness. His velocity was down tonight.
The winning pitcher for the Royal Seth Lugo, now ten
and two after his six innings of work. In fact,
the Royals hit a grand Slam in the sixth after
the batter fouled off six straight pitches and then hit
it out of the park with basses juiced.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
MJ.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
Melendez, the Hero Colorado, was a sixteen to four winner
over Pittsburgh Rockies record up to twenty five and forty five.
The Yankees entered tonight with fifty wins already this season,
but they got beat at Boston Right Sucks eight to four.
The win on Fox TV. Juan Soto did hit his
eighteenth homer for New York. He has fifty five RBIs already.

(01:08:08):
But the Yankee losing starter was Carlos Rodin. He had
entered with a nine to two record. He allowed the
first five runs in his five innings of work, and
Seattle beat Texas seven to five. Nathan Valdi the loss.
He lasted three innings seventy five pitches. This was a
seven to one game for Seattle going into the ninth.
Winning pitcher George Kirby six innings, no earned runs, six strikeouts,

(01:08:29):
and the late game tonight will be at the College
World Series because they're just finishing the fourth inning. Texas
A and M three to nothing in the lead against Florida.
There was a four hour rain delay at the start
of this. The opener for each Kentucky won in ten
innings on a home run five to four over Enzi State.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Today.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Back to you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Very much, Steve Sager, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday
to Sega. Before you toss the headphones down, can we
pull up the audio we have it right now, okay, okay, okay.
I didn't know if to saga to do it or what.
So Jmar, do you want to set this up? Because
this is I'm more interested in this than any Aaron
Rodgers conversation that we may be having here momentarily.

Speaker 7 (01:09:06):
Is at the end of an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Oh yeah, it was at the end of the second hour.
It was the segment. Okay, we have Steve dis Seger
come in, then sure do his extended update, which we
will do here in the final segment of this hour.
And Arnie did not understand how clocks work.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
You know, I will say for a guy who's been
in the business, like I literally he's older than the
business itself, Like, he is like spectacularly bad at throwing
two heart outs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
It's incredible, It's unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (01:09:38):
That's not good for a network.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
No, I mean it's not truly not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Yeah, I mean I've told him, like Tyrack dot Com
is reconsidering everything just because of him. But yeah, so
I'm not surprised. So I don't know if there's anything
else to set up, Jmar. But yeah, he is, like
everyone has their strengths and weaknesses in the business. For
people who don't know a heart. Out means that at
the top of every hour, you have to be out
at a very specific moment.

Speaker 7 (01:10:01):
Because all the affiliates are leaving at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Yes, every station across country is leaving. Mary will get
in our ear and count us down ten to nine.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Whatever. Uh And so apparently this was Arnie trying to do.

Speaker 11 (01:10:12):
That power our next here on Fox Sports Radio. Oh
I still, I got a hold what I literally said
two minutes and I hear you say while you're closing
out the show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Really, You're like, boy, really, this.

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
Is the problem for somebody who doesn't even know his
producer's name and is proud of it, thinks he can
be the producer.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
He calls me a worthless producers.

Speaker 11 (01:10:45):
I knew I heard somebody in my ear going, no,
you got another minute, But I'm like that can't be
a producer.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
We don't have one.

Speaker 7 (01:10:50):
I don't understand, especially seconds left right, Yeah, yeah, keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 11 (01:10:58):
I appreciate that I screwed down what up and usually
flagged screws it up?

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Don't quit your date j on me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Thank you one was the thing you won the game
because your shoes heck not winning the radio game, Chris,
come back, all.

Speaker 11 (01:11:11):
Right, when we come back, I have no idea what
we're going to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Now.

Speaker 11 (01:11:14):
How about that you have frustrated me here on Fox
Sports Radio Aaron Torres.

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
In the minute extra that he provided to finish the segment,
he managed to insult everybody else on the show, pretty much,
including Chris, who wasn't even there. I'm not blaming them all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
No, that that is that is his go to is Yeah, No,
that is incredible. I will say as a first time listener,
you guys got your shots into that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
That was he was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
He was down on the ground and everybody got a
little little kick to the gut. There are opportunity, Yeah, no,
I mean it's not really rare. I mean pretty much
anytime you work with it.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
Seeing you couldn't have his wife do the shoveling for
him this time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
On the one part, you couldn't hear because it was
just into mind and Arnie's ear is like when he
first sends it to break, Mary just comes across to both,
but she's like, dude, we have a whole. That's when
I lost and I was just like I thought I
understood how time worked.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
That is incredible. Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I feel like that has happened actually before with him.
At some point I.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Have to imagine it did well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
I'll tell you what that was, Arnie. We do not
have a heart out this hour, but why don't we
come back. We will do our own segment. Disager will
get you caught up on everything that we missed throughout
the day.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Today.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
I will attempt. I don't want to put too much
pressure on myself. I will attempt to not throw to
the break at the top of the wrong hour or
the wrong time. But we'll come back to Saga will
do his extended update. It'll be better than when Arnie
was here. I promise.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
This is Fox Sports Trading.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio Aaron's Martin broadcasting live
from the Tire Studios, twelve forty five Eastern Time. Happy
Fathers Day on the East Coast to all the fathers
out there. As we do every Sunday morning Saturday night,
depending on where you are around this time, we do
toss it over the news desk. Extended update Tosaga. The

(01:13:15):
floor is yours, guys.

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
The NBA Finals not yet over it, just like the
Stanley Cup Final not yet over. NBA Finals continue Monday,
with Boston up three games to one and hosting Dallas.
If there's a game six, it would be Thursday at Dallas.
But no NBA team has ever blown a three games
to none lead to lose a series any round. This
Boston team had won ten playoff games in a row

(01:13:39):
until last game, when it lost by thirty eight. But
still no NBA team has ever gone through its final
two rounds without a loss. Remember the shack Lakers two
thousand and one were undefeated on the road, and even
they wound up losing a double overtime game to open
the finals. But usually when you take a two games
to none lead in the finals, the title is yours.

(01:13:59):
Thirty one. One of the thirty six teams in history
that have done that wound up winning the NBA Championship.
Among those to lose, though, included the Phoenix Suns three
short years ago who were up two zero and didn't
didn't win another game, and Golden State famously blew a
lead in the finals to the Cavs in twenty sixteen.
One thing I was mentioning to the show before You
about the three point shooting, and we mentioned on this

(01:14:22):
show before the Finals started. How Boston and the regular
season took nearly half of its shots from three point
range forty seven percent of them, and in the playoffs
it was a larger percent of their shots coming from
three point range. Compare that to Magic Johnson's rookie season,
which was the first year the three point shot existed
in the NBA. I'd mentioned that when Magic's Lakers beat

(01:14:45):
Doctor J and Philadelphia, it was a six game series.
The Lakers as a team were zero for four from
three point wow for this series. Michael Jordan's rookie year,
and he had a little bit of the acc three
pointer in college, but not much his rookie year with
the Bulls nine for fifty two from three point range.

(01:15:06):
Nine three pointers made Jordan's entire rookie year. It just
wasn't a huge thing in the early days. I remember.
Once you got to the nineteen eighty seven finals and
the Lakers won, Michael Cooper, who was their three point specialist,
actually made six threes in a game, and that was
the Finals record for quite a while, making six three

(01:15:27):
pointers in a game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Man, when you get to these games where they're taking
forty and fifty a game last game and making nine
of them. That is the worst basketball you will ever
see when it's just bricks. That could build the taj
Mahal all night long.

Speaker 7 (01:15:42):
So Rick Patino could coach these Celtics. Because the Celtics
last game attempted eighty shots total, forty one of them
forty one of the eighty were three point attempts. They
were fourteen of forty one. So they're just going to
keep doing this. But this is what you have they
We mentioned this before the Final started. They in this

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postseason have been outscoring their opponents from three point range
by ten points per game. That alone is a difference,
aside from the free throws that they've been getting in
the postseason. So Boston's up three games to one. Yeah,
the winning streak is over, but they are back home
on Monday, hosting Dallas in the WNBA. There were just
two games today Connecticut twelve, and one was a winner

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at Dallas, eighty five sixty seven. Eriki Agunbawalle, former college
hero at the Final Four with Notre Dame, was two
of fifteen shooting from the floor. Did you see her
comment on a podcast this week? She said she took
her name As saw this right before he went on
of consideration for US Women's Olympic basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Rush said it was really political.

Speaker 7 (01:16:47):
Yes, so there you go. New York's won eight in
a row, one at Las Vegas ninety to eighty two,
New York Liberty twelve and two. Sabrini Yanescu fifteen points,
twelve assists, one turnover. Indiana's back on the court tomorrow
with a four and ten record, hosting Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Real quick to Sega and Jmar time into Asia Wilson. So, Jamar,
I don't know if you saw us Asia Wilson crying
at the podium, what do we think on.

Speaker 7 (01:17:13):
That prosing in the finals rematch today?

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Yeah, so they've lost six in a row and she
was very clearly emotional. At first, I kind of wanted
to be critical, but I was like Tim Tebow did
that ten years ago after a random regular season loss. Yeah,
just don't miss Yeah, And everybody loved it, and I
know that I loved it at the time, so I
can't really, I don't know. It was definitely caught me
off guard. Regular season game, six losses in a row, Disagrea.

(01:17:37):
I didn't mean to cut off your whole update, but
it's just you're mentioning the WNBA. I just I found
it interesting, And I don't know if I should like
if there's a take to have on it, or if
it's just you know, hey, that's that she really is that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
I'm glad she cares. That's what I would say about it. Like,
I didn't know about it until you just said it,
but I just looked it up. It's hard to say
anything other than I'm glad she cares who wins and loses. Yeah,
I'm glad that it bothers her, that she wants to
win for her teammates, that she loves them, all that
kind of stuff. I don't think there's anything negative there
at all.

Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
And she's taking the responsibility as a great player on
what has been a great team. I think they've lost
as many now already as they did last year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
And by the way, the three of us were on
air when Caleb Williams was crying, and I didn't have
a problem with that either, So I guess I just
it caught me off guard. But I've never had a
problem with any any I want to be fair here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
I didn't really think anything of it, but since we
were talking WNBA.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
I thought it was interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:18:27):
Can I just add, while we're talking human emotion, sure,
we're about to get a lot of it, because the
NBA season and the NHL season are going to be
ending in the next few days quite likely. I just
love when people showed genuine emotion, Like when Shaquille O'Neal
won his first title and he'd been all everything for
a while and hadn't sniffed an NBA championship realistically and

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just broke down on the court. That was great, being real.
I just love that. Yeah, I hope we see a
little more of that from whichever sport as things go along.
It's I know some people, because it's happening publicly and
on TV, I've heard some sports fans like talk against that.
I don't have a problem in that situation. It's quite
appropriately and very human.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
I agree to be that.

Speaker 7 (01:19:12):
I mean, it's it's like the old Jim Volvano quote,
you should be moved to last year, you should be
moved to tears. These are normal things in life. This
is what you should experience.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:19:21):
The NHL season could be ending at Florida on Tuesday night.
Connor McDavid has come to life. He has thirty two
assists in this postseason for the Edmonton Oilers. That breaks
a Wayne Gretzky record from nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Can't do that with the Oilers.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
That's a bad pool. That's just terrible karma. NHL mark.
By the way, Gretzky for most points goals plus Thissis
still has the record forty seven points in a single
postseason nineteen eighty five. A Canadian team has not won
the Stanley Cup since nineteen ninety three. Canadian teams are
zero to six in the final since Montreal beat the

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La Kings and Gretzky in nineteen ninety three. And got
to repeat the stat that we mentioned before this matchup,
the distance from Edmonton, Alberta to Sunrise, Florida is about
twenty five hundred miles four thousand kilometers, longest distance between
Stanley Cup final opponents in league history. In other words,
that distance is longer than the distance of all these

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European countries playing in the Euros against each other. Because
like Albania had a ton of fans in Germany, which
is hosting this event this month, you could once we
get USC and UCLA going to big ten conference schedules
in the various sports, twenty five hundred miles is going
to be about their their shortest distance. Well, okay, let's

(01:20:44):
say La to Chicago. Plus you're going to be hitting
close to twenty five hundred miles for regular league games.
That's amazing how things go.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Don't laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
We just saw last week or a few weeks ago
that the Friday night Big Ten schedule Rutgers at USC.
I'm thinking about going because I can't get to games,
you know, on Saturdays. I actually thought about that with
Rutgers traveling the us em.

Speaker 7 (01:21:07):
Scurday Friday night UFL football next year because Fox has
IndyCar Now on weekends next year.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
That's more Jmart's speed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
But yeah, tell you what come back Game five NBA Finals.

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what was a busy week in the world of sports,
even as the NBA and NHL are slowly coming to
a conclusion. Speaking of which, Jason, it is Sunday on
the East and Central time zones. By the way, Happy
Father's Day to all the fathers out there in the
East and Central time zones.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
It is Sunday, so happy Father's Day.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
But when it's Sunday, it means that we are one
day away from Game five of the NBA Finals. Dallas
Mavericks win by a cool thirty eight points in Game
four on Friday. The starters were pulled at the end
of the third quarter. Not competitive. Big picture, We're going
back to Boston. Just big picture. We we'll give our

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final predictions in the final segment. But what do you
expect to see when these two teams return to the
court on Monday night in Boston.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Well, I hope. I think you're going to see a
ferocious Dallas team against a Celtics team that might have
been reawoken. So I think you're gonna see a higher
level of basketball from a balance standpoint from both teams.
I think you've seen higher basketball from the Maps. You
saw it in Game four, and you've seen higher basketball
or higher level play from the Celtics in this series,

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then you probably will then five. But I think that
both teams will show upright to play, and I think
it's going to be a competitive game. And I hope
I'm not just speaking with my heart there, because I
want to see it be a real dog fight and
one where we can really get into it and be
entertained as long as we put it on mute. But
I do think that you're gonna have you have the

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makings of a really really competitive, hard fought, emotional basketball
game that could come down to the final play. Because again,
if the Maps can get it back to their building
at three to two, all of a sudd and the
pressure switches, it seems impossible that they could beat Boston
for in a row. But for a second there, it
looked like Boston was going to be Dallas for in

(01:24:07):
a row, and that seemed unthinkable considering the run that
Dallas had been on, that they weren't going to be
able to steal a game. Well they have now. Now
they've got to prove they can do it on the
road to get it back home. We'll see whether or
not they can do it. I just want to see
it be close, and I think it probably will be. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
The word you use, and I think it's a good
word to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Potentially describe what I expect in Boston on Monday night
is reawakened or awoke in or whatever. And that's kind
of what I think too, is that, you know, you
go back to even Game three the other night, I
guess it was Wednesday night, and it was kind of
a close, competitive game, and then Boston just kind of

(01:24:46):
blew it open in the third quarter, and even when
Dallas made a little bit of Dallas actually made a
run late to frankly get back in and make it competitive.
I think at one point Boston was up by like
twenty one points or something like that. But I think,
you know, as weird as it's, it was maybe coming
a little too easy for Boston. Where you know they
could just flip a switch and next thing you know

(01:25:06):
that again they were up in Game three I'm talking
about now, they were down one in halftime, and they
were up by fifteen going into the fourth quarter, and so,
you know, I think there was probably an element of like,
we can do this. You know, we can do this
whenever we want. And I think it was a wake
up call. And I know we talked about it earlier

(01:25:27):
in the show, and for people who missed any of
the show, make sure to go back and download the
podcast once we're done here. But you know, I think
that this isn't like because it's not single elimination, it's
not the NCAA tournament, it's not the NFL playoffs. Teams
just have bad nights, and you know, you never want
a team to just kind of, you know, pack it

(01:25:48):
in early. But that just felt like a game where
it's just like, look, Bury the game tape doesn't mean anything.
To Boston's credit, they you know, they haven't lost often
in these playoffs, but when they have, you know, they've
bounced back very quickly. I mean, obviously, you lose Game
two to the Heat at home in the first round,
you win the next three games, no problem. You lose
Game two at home to Cleveland in the second round,

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you lose the next three games, no problem. And I
know Cleveland had some injury problems Miami as well, but
I I just it's hard for me to get two
worked up about one bad performance over the course of
a five, six, seven game series.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Whatever. I think we get the best version of Boston
on Monday night. I know we didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
We said we're not going to, you know, make our
predictions the second but I think we get our I
think we got the worst version of Boston on Friday night.
I think we get a much better one on Monday.
And the team that has kind of just handled whatever
minimal adversity that they've had throughout these playoffs, I think
I think we get the best version of them on

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Monday Night.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's right, and I hope
we do, because for all to talk of how great
the finals we're going to be, it really hasn't been.
I know, the games haven't been on that close. You
did have that. You mentioned it. The one W was
up twenty one and the MAVs fought really hard and
then still found a way not to quite pull it off,
and that felt like Curtains right there. But you got
at least a glimpse on Friday of what it looks

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like when Luca really steps into that role that everybody
wanted him to play right before the finals, when they
were calling him the best player in the world all
of a sudden, when it was not Anthony Edwards anymore.
And so now he's got to go take that on
the road and he's gonna get booed vociferously, and they're
going to try to get under his skin and he's
going to have to rise above that or the same

(01:27:34):
storylines that came out about him after Game three, you're
going to come out after Game five, which is there's
maturity left, there's a lot left. Now he has toist
credit actually come out and said, I'm a really incomplete
basketball player right now. I'm still learning because he's still
relatively young, despite how you know how much basketball he
played overseas and all those things. So he's not out
there believing he's a finished product. But I think a

(01:27:57):
lot of the finish work that needs to be done
goes between the years, not with the basketball in the sayands.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Dumb question, and I think I'm got to ask you
this earlier, but if the Celtics do close it out,
I mean, there's been so much discourse about what's the
right way to say it. Not like everything that's wrong
with them necessarily, but it feels like most people have
been waiting for the other shoe to drop with the
Boston Celtics basically the entire playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
I saw this tweet.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
This was weeks ago before the NBA Finals, and it
really stuck out to me. It was from one of
the guys that works at barstool. The Twitter handle is
stool Greeny. It's from May twenty second, so I think
it was right after the Celtics had clinched their spot
in the NBA Finals. It said ninety five percent of
the Celtics discourse all season and especially in the playoffs

(01:28:48):
boils down to this formula quote. Sure, the Celtics won,
but what if they didn't? You have to take that
into consideration. And it's like that to me, is how
we were all talking about the Celtics. And and I
still I'll be honest, like, even if they are to
close out this series, and I know it's a little
presumptuous to have this conversation now, but I don't think

(01:29:10):
it is Jason. I mean, if they went on Monday,
we're not back on air till Saturday, So like, I
think it's fair to have this conversation. Is like I
still don't know what to make of the Celtics. If
they win, they're clearly the best team, a deserving champ,
there's no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
But it's like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Don't know that they're just such a unique team and
like this corps has been together for so long. I
think it says it's probably a good thing for the
NBA from the perspective that, like you know, they did
the Celtics didn't blow it up and it didn't immediately
become we have to trade this piece or that piece
or this piece or that piece. And I know those
conversations have been had in previous years. You gotta get

(01:29:48):
rid of Jalen Brown. They can't coexist with Jason Tatum.
But I just don't even know, like really how to
contextualize this because it's it's a unique story. It was
a a dominant run, But I don't know, it's just
they're just a very interesting team because they don't fit
into like a clear box of you know, dominant in

(01:30:10):
the traditional sense, right, they went through a weak Eastern Conference.
They don't feel like a team that's like a surefire,
you know, this is the beginning of a dynasty. It's
just an interesting team to think about, because again, I
don't think they fit those easy boxes that we think
of when we think of NBA champ.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Yeah, they're not an obvious that They're not a flashy team.
They have a little bit of spurs in them, maybe
a little bit of like turn of the century Pistons.
They're more of a blue collarish kind of team. The
Jalen Brown conversation in the off season last year, I
led that charge. I was wrong, and I've come out
and said that now. I said, I don't know why

(01:30:48):
you bring them back. Now. I do, like I do
completely understand that there's kind of it's not sharp, it's dull.
It's just one of the reasons why some of these
stories have come out about them is because because there's
not anything natural or organic that's interesting. Yep. I think
that's one thing. And I mean even the coach like

(01:31:10):
Joe Mizzoula, who I'd love, especially after listening to him
stand up for his faith in a postgame press conference
to shut down another question that was designed to get
a racial answer back from him, and instead he took
it to a Christian place. It's just not that exciting
a basketball We talked about it, like you even asked
a question like six eight weeks ago. Are they kind

(01:31:31):
of boring? Is that? Yes they are. They are kind
of boring. That's why I'm like, I don't think that
a whole lot of people are running to the set
to watch this Celtics team play. I think better for
the NBA right now would be for a Luco or
one of those kind of teams to win a championship,
because there's some pizzazz there. But there's something to be
said for what the Celtics have done, how they've built it,

(01:31:54):
and the way that their role pieces actually show up everywhere.
And I think that's one of the critical points that
gets lost. Says, yes you have a Tatum and yes
you have a Brown, but man, Derek White can really
play and he fills his role incredibly well. And Drew
Holliday wins everywhere he goes, so he goes there and
he's the right fit for them. Like they've done a
lot of the right things, and they've done it with

(01:32:15):
multiple coaches. Now you don't have a Doka. Now you've
got Missoula. And then the questions that, well, is Missoula
actually a good coach? He seems to get out coached
a lot. Did they take a lot of criticism, because
there's not. They don't. They lacked the Hollywood factor. With
all due respect to Jason Tatum and Hiss Corona ads,
they just don't. There's not much there there no if

(01:32:37):
that makes any sense now, one hundred percent, and it does.
And I think I use this example before. It reminds
me a little bit of Yukon during the college basketball season.
And I know college basketball isn't a mainstream talking point,
but it was like, they win the championship two years ago,
this is Eucondum talking about obviously, and then they come
back and like immediately, if you like college basketball and

(01:33:00):
you're watching it on any sort of regular basis, you're like, oh,
they're really good again this year.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
And so first it was like can they go back
to back?

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
And then pretty clearly, pretty quickly, it was like, oh, yeah, no,
they can definitely go back to back. And then it
became like, are they better than last year, and it
was like, that's not a conversation you can really have
until they win it. But like they just kept winning.
I think they finished thirty seven and three and by
like mid February, there's just nothing to talk about it.
It's like we've we've hit on every angle. And I'm

(01:33:28):
not comparing the Celtics from like their dominance or their
this or they're that, but I do think there is
something to that is like we've had the Jalen Brown
Jason Tatum conversations for years. There's not really any new
ground to cover. And if anything, as I discussed, as
I mentioned earlier, I find the conversation boring because they
seem to really like each other and they've seem to

(01:33:49):
figure it out. Like you said, the Joe Mizzoula thing,
it was like, well, I mean, you know, do I
watch NBA basketball on a night tonight basis no, But
it was like last year it was like, well, I mean,
this guy's just in all over his head and he
only got the job because Doka got fired and he
you know, And I remember it being a thing last
year of like should they bring Missoula back for another
year or are you just wasting a year of Tatum

(01:34:11):
and Brown's prime if you do so well. Now we
figured out that that guy's pretty darn good and he
knows what he's doing. And so I do think there
is something to that. It's not new like Aunt Edwards,
you know, it's not I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
I just it's not polarizing either. They're not a polarizing team.
They don't have the Luca effect. They don't have the
there's not that player that creates some kind of conversation
and actually splits down the middle where you have something
on one side and something on the other. There's just
that the meat on the bone is not there for

(01:34:46):
the Boston Celtics, and as a result, like and I
also think there's something to the fact, to the effect
that we've seen them go deep into playoffs before and
then not finish, and I think eventually that just became
old hat and it's just kind of like they're the
Buffalo Bills now. It's not that it's not that exciting anymore.
Let me know, when you actually win one of these things,

(01:35:07):
which they're probably about to do. So I think that
I think that there's probably you know, something to that
as well. There's just that tabloid factor whatever, that that
sheen is that shine that that's not what this team
is about. And maybe that is to their credit because
they're just out there playing basketball. But I remember, and
this isn't a knock on cow Herd, but I remember

(01:35:29):
him saying, because I remember hearing the SoundBite, it's just like,
what we know now, thanks for the Celtics for letting
us know they're not gonna be a dynasty. And he
basically said, you know, they struggled last night against the Pacers.
The Pacers, they're not gonna be winning multiple championships. In effect,
it's just like interesting take, And it just felt like

(01:35:49):
that's the discourse around the Celtics. It's like, here's why
they're not very good. Yes, here's why they're gonna lose,
or if they even if they win, here's why they're
not gonna win. Ever. Again, like it's it's kind of strange.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Actually, yeah, no, that that tweet, like I said, of
the Celtics discourse is uh ninety This is from Dan
Greenberg from Barstool Sports. Ninety five percent of the Celtics
discourse all season, especially in the playoff, boils down to
this formula. Sure, the Celtics won, but what if they didn't?
You really have to take that into consideration.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
So now that doesn't even make sense, like as a statement,
like that's contradictory, and it's just like what does that
even mean? And that's the whole point of the tweet.
The tweet is a serting. It's just like, what are
we even talking about? Like what is this storyline surrounding
this team?

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
No, And it's just it is interesting, And like I said,
I'm not totally sure even if they do close things
out on Monday night, quite how to contextualize what they
have done and what it would mean going forward. Fox
Sports Radio er Torris Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the
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(01:36:58):
news late last night broadcasting legend potentially on the way out,
and unfortunately there's a couple more broadcasters that can't get
out quick enough.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
We'll discuss that next Fox Sports.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Are you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Welcome back?

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Fox Sports Radio erratorius Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the
Tireack dot Com studios. Take it up to the top
of the hour. Bernie Frado of the Bernie Frato Show
follows us So Jmark. We got some big news in
the broadcasting world last night, which we'll get to momentarily

(01:37:37):
before we do. Though, do you want to do the
big news first or do you want to do what
the other part of it is? Because as good as
TNT's broadcast is, can I just say, I'm just gonna say,
I don't care the NBA Finals broad The whole ESPN
broadcast has just been abysmal. And I noticed this, I guess,

(01:38:00):
like in the Eastern Conference Finals, because I think sometimes like,
you know, there's all these series going on, you don't
know who's broadcasting what, and dah dah da dah and
this and that, and then we get the legend Mike Breen,
who's awesome, and you're like, oh, he's with Doris Burke
and JJ Reddick and they have I mean, J Mart,

(01:38:21):
when you were single, I don't know if you ever
went on any really bad dates where it's just there's
no chemistry, there's no nothing. You know, she's a pisce'son
euro whatever. I don't know, right, it is so bad now,
I will say this. At first, I just thought they
were all bad except for Mike Breen. Obviously, I will
give Doris Burke credit at least she's like trying. I

(01:38:45):
don't even know if JJ Redick like. I don't know
if he's checked out because he knows he's getting the
Lakers job, or if he's just uncomfortable being the third
guy in the booth or what. But for a guy
that does host a very entertaining NBA podcast, he's clearly
in our ticket guy that knows how to talk the game.
It's just bad. It's tough to listen to. I just

(01:39:07):
feel bad for Mike Breen, I really do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
I've said basically the same thing for weeks, and I
mean I said it, both said it with Arnie repeatedly,
and we've said it before. Also, it's not a good booth.
I yeah, you're right, I mean Doris does try. I
just don't think this is the role for her. I'm
not the biggest fan of her, like, at least to
the degree that all the articles that seem to be

(01:39:31):
written about her over and over and again seem to
be Reddick. You can go five or six minutes and
he doesn't speak, like, he doesn't say anything.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
I know, it's unbelievable, isn't it, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
And then when he does so, he didn't talk for
like four minutes in Game four, and then he comes
on and I'm just like, all right, cool, here's j J.
Gam What's he got to say? He says, let's not
forget that they're not here without Luka Doncic, And I'm
just like, who I forgot that? Like, who was it
that was out there that needed to be reminded that

(01:40:05):
the Mavericks are not in the NBA Finals if not
for Luka Doncic. It's just that was that was bottom
of the c level analysis, Like there was nothing there
that anyone watching. I mean, even like a casual fan
is still going to understand that without having to be
told it. I don't know. And you're right, I mean,

(01:40:27):
on the podcast, you for a good stuff. I've seen
him on TV as an analyst and I've seen him,
you know, do the debate stuff and all this. But
I think he's more that guy. I don't think that
he's a booth guy. I don't think that he enjoys it.
It doesn't seem like it. At least. He seems disengaged,
and there is negative chemistry with that crew, and there's
negative chemistry between him and Doris, like they just there's

(01:40:50):
not a connection. It does take time to develop that
kind of thing. But all I've been thinking this entire
time is you're telling me that you didn't want to
pay Jeff van Gundy, I know, so that you could
move on to do this because this ain't it? Chief

(01:41:10):
Like this is as bad as it gets. And Mike
Breen is the gold standard. And you can even see
it sometimes in Mike Breen when they have a shot
of all of them. Mike Breen knows this is not good.
He knows it isn't he is doing. There are times
when it looks like he's calling the games by himself.
Feel this is this is a reference some people out
there will get. Mike Breen has become Joey Styles and

(01:41:34):
ECW in like nineteen ninety six when he was calling
all these ridiculous matches at the highest level imaginable with
all his emotion and all his catchphrases and cliches, and
he had no color guy. It was just him. It
seems like it's just it's Breen up there. And then
the one thing I will say about Doris Burke that
is a bit frustrating is she tries to like talk clever,

(01:41:56):
like she tries to use like certain words and phrases
that are kind of in the mainstream, or uses like
different it's not really slang, but she tries to be
on the hip is not the word to use here,
but it doesn't work like when she actually is just
dropping analysis is fine. I don't find her entertaining when

(01:42:17):
she's doing it, but I understand she does her homework
and she works hard. I just think of this and
just like, can you just give me Mike Breen and
hub Brown I love Hubie or Mike Mike. Give me
Mike Breen and Doug Collins or I mean any number
of people that you could put in that role would
be better than what they've got. As long as it's

(01:42:37):
not Kendrick Perkins, it can't get worse.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Yeah, first of all, so I agree, and you know,
like I'm glad finally because like Doris Burke on the
way up, like you know, I get it, she's calling
NBA game first woman to do this and whatever. I
don't ever want to, you know, diminish when you know
barriers are broken, and I know that there's little girls
that are looking up to her, seeing but at some

(01:43:02):
point we just have.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
To acknowledge that she's not very good.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
And it's like, I just it's it's it's nice that
we have gotten to this point. It's society, reddick. I
don't even know what's going on. By the way, I
just just for fun, I went to search Doris Burke
on on Twitter just to see what the reaction was.
Some guy tweeted, is its Brickworld is his Twitter handle,
but he says, one more game until we don't have

(01:43:26):
to hear Doris Burke. And it's the video of Pat
Beverly jumping on the table after that playing game when
he throws the jersey into the crowd, and I hate
to say it, but it's the truth, and I'm with you.
Is that it's just listen, you know, this is the
biggest broadcasting assignment you can have in the NBA, and
it's just there are two people that frankly, just are

(01:43:48):
not ready for that level. And maybe someday they will be,
I don't know, but they're not there and it's glaring.
And it's especially glaring, by the way, when you compare
it to what the other current broadcast partner TNT has
uh when you discuss their basketball people at least for
one more year. And that's because Charles Barkley last night

(01:44:09):
made a very interesting announcement. We're gonna discuss all that
next before we do though final time this scene, let's
toss it over the news desk to SEGA.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
What is trending?

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
My friend?

Speaker 7 (01:44:18):
I'm glad you brought this up and all of that
that these good points that you just made are all
trumped by the awful pre and halftime show.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
There you go, we went off on that thing last week.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
Well, and what let's.

Speaker 7 (01:44:31):
Start with the fact that there's not much of it
at halftime like ninety second years now, it's it's literally
like sixteen minute halftime and twelve minutes of commercials.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
But go ahead, No.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
What I was gonna say was, because I've seen a
lot of the whole like just bring the inside the
NBA crew to ESPN and like really quick, because we're
going to talk about that on the backside to SEGA.
So like, by the way, you're welcome to chime in,
but like part of it is the production as well,
And it's like if you don't, it doesn't matter if
you have Chuck Kenny and Shack if you don't let
them be Chuck and Kenny and Shack. And to be clear,

(01:45:04):
I'm not saying ESPN has that quality of talents.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
They do not.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
But it's also like you gotta let it to use
the term the kids use that Doris Burke probably try
to drop in the next round. You gotta let the
kids cook. And they you know, TNT to their credit
the postgame. You know it's not this like and I
know it's for TV purposes, ratings purposes, but throw back
to Van Pelt and then he does ninety seconds and
they throw back to desk and it's like they just

(01:45:28):
throw to the guys. They pay a lot of money
to talk basketball, and they let them talk basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
Just but even when it's just the them at halftime though, guys,
it's like lightning round. It's like, what can you give
me in five seconds because we have to get to
this next Marvel trailer like every five seconds. For some reason,
TNT actually can still have a conversation during halftime where
it feels like they're actually talking and they're not constantly
somebody in their years you got eight seven six five,
like get it out, like there is nothing organic or

(01:45:55):
natural feeling about it.

Speaker 7 (01:45:56):
So you're saying there's no time, so by all means,
bring more people to the desk.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
Yeah, give people at the desk.

Speaker 7 (01:46:02):
That's right, because we've all been clamoring to have Josh
Hart as a postseason analyst, can we please? I mean,
and honestly, this is NBC also who just golf fans
are saying, you know, hold my beer if you want
to complain about NBC carrying a big time sporting event,
because at one point NBC just broke from the golf

(01:46:24):
coverage and went straight to commercial because something in the
truck just went out and they lost their graphics and
when they returned they didn't have the audio on the
proper holes and people were going nuts online. And how
bad Yet again, NBC, which doesn't do a lot of golf,
how bad they're doing on the US Open coverage. But
you used to Yeah, I used to have it for years. Yeah,

(01:46:46):
ESPN's NBA pregame and a halftime show as a whole.
I mean, as good as say, Malika Andrews can be
on TV. It's it's the opposite of must see TV,
and it has been for a long time. It is,
and I mean this word, it is worthless. I as
if you were getting nothing. I cannot think in any sport,

(01:47:06):
I cannot think of a pregame and halftime show connected
with the game that I've needed to watch less.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Ever you do, maybe Madden NFL twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
It's gonna say you get Steven A walking into the stadium.
I mean that's now their big thing of like the stephn.

Speaker 7 (01:47:24):
A as if he's the equal player.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
Yes, and then he's not there half the time because
he's grabbed a flight to go do his first take thing.
And so they're in the postgame and like here's Bob
Myers and Michael Wilbon. It's like, with all due respect, guys,
I gotta go.

Speaker 7 (01:47:38):
The NBA Finals continue Monday. Make sure to set the DVR.
Boston up three games to one, will be hosting Dallas.
If there's a game six s it's at Dallas Thursday night.
By the way, we can update the stat Kyrie Irving
in the past three seasons playoffs included. Is now one
in thirteen against the Celtics, and the Mad season is
still alive. The Celtics were pretty good home team regular season. Yeah,

(01:48:01):
they had been seven to zero on the road this postseason,
but they were the one seed for a reason. They
are fifteen and three overall this postseason, and at home
they went thirty seven and four regular season. They are
back home on Monday night, and keep in mind when
the Celtics take a double digit lead this postseason, they're

(01:48:23):
undefeated thirteen and zero. The hockey season continues with Florida
hosting Game five at the Stanley Cup Final on Tuesday night.
Florida did lose eight to one at Edmonton tonight, ending
a six game winning streak. They'd won every playoff game
since trailing the East Final two games to one after
a couple overtime losses, but the Panthers lead now three
games to one in the final. WNBA wins for New

(01:48:45):
York and Connecticut. Ludwig Obert was the US Open leader
to start the day by one stroke. He shot seventy three,
fell to a tie for fifth. He's five back. Bryson
Deshambo leads the US Open by three strokes after a
third round sixty seven. You'd think he wasn't on the
live golf tour. As much cheering for this golfer there
was on the course today and the chance of USA.

(01:49:07):
Rory McElroy is tied for second place in Pinehurst, North Carolina.
Bengals wide receiver T Higgins signed his franchise tag, so
he'll report to camp next month. By the way, UFL
kicker Jake Bates with three sixty yarders this season due
to sign with the Detroit Lions. He played for the
Michigan Panthers. The UFL championship game tomorrow on Fox TV
has Birmingham with MVP quarterback Adrian Martinez against San Antonio

(01:49:31):
coach by Wade Phillips. That's five pm Eastern tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
That's like a washed up football mad libs right there.
I got them all in.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
At Fox TV, we'll have England's opener at the Euro
Soccer Tournament against Serbia three pm Eastern time. Winnesday for Spain,
Switzerland and Italy. The late MLB game went to the
White Sox. This is stunning. A team that was eighteen
and fifty three just dominated on the road as they
have not all year, nine to two. The final at
Airs on FS one and Kansas City beat the Dodger

(01:50:02):
seven to Dodger starting pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto left after two innings.
With triceps tightness. He'll likely go on the IL.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Thank you may about Steve the Sager, Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports Sunday Ertors, Jason Martin broadcasting live from the
Tireck dot Com studios to Sega, we appreciate you have
a great evening. Saga will be back tomorrow with the Gang.
Uh so we kind of teased it the sweat Hogs.
Yeah yeah, Chris Plank and Arnold Horshack right there, so

(01:50:32):
we teased it. Charles Barkley, you know what, do we
have the sound rather than reading it? All right, Mary Mack,
go ahead, Here's what Charles Barkley said on Friday night
after Game four of the NBA Finals.

Speaker 8 (01:50:43):
You know, there's been a lot of noise around on
network the last few months, and I just want to
say I've talked to all the other networks, but I
ain't going nowhere other than TNT. But I have made
the decision myself, no matter what happens, next year is
going to be my last year on television.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
You heard it straight from the horse's mouth. Charles Barkley
says tomorrow next year will be the last year on television. Obviously,
that is when the TNT contract expires at the end
of next year. First of all, it's worth noting like
like the executives at Turner said something like, we we
look forward to continuing this conversation. So I don't know
if they think that they maybe are getting a smaller

(01:51:25):
package or if.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
That yeah, that's what That's what I've read is that
they are trying to secure something smaller, And I wonder
what that actually is.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
So what do you think of it?

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
So like do you think do you think he do
you think he really believes in his heart he's done?

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Do you think you know?

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Because my thought is he said, I won't work for
another TV network and and and I think he said
in passing like the idea of kind of starting his
own broadcasting thing and maybe just having a postgame show
like you know, Shannon Sharp does the postgame show on YouTube?
Or Colin cat like like, or do you just think
he's done, done, not broadcasting anywhere at all?

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Like what did you make of that news?

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Charles is a free spirit. I make of it that
Charles when he said that minute, I also look at
the circumstances and I say, well, what's happening in Charles
Barkley's professional life or what's happening around Charles Barkley's professional
life in the past handful of months. First, my show
with Gail King on CNN tanked and got and just

(01:52:26):
turned into an unmitigated disaster and didn't last. It failed completely.
So and that's the thing that hadn't happened to be
much in broadcasting. If I'm Charles Barkley and now My Home,
my Family, Ernie Kenny, Shack, Underdog, the whole crew at TNT,
all the guys, and the thing that I've mentioned from
the beginning that to me is the most interesting about

(01:52:48):
T and T and the Turner situation that's not talked
about is a lot of guys also work for NBA TV,
because that's kind of a Turner sponsored deal too, So
how does that work? And maybe that is part of
the deal is well, let's keep NBA TV, let's keep
you know, C Smith and Dennis Johnson, and maybe we
can then move some of these guys over there, but
or I should say, Dennis Scott. But at the same time,

(01:53:12):
I do think Charles looks at all that, and he
mentioned that morale was terrible with all the people, with
everything that's been swirling, and so I think that he's
probably down. I think that right now he doesn't he's
kind of probably jaded, probably doesn't want to do TV today.
He's just he's ready to call it quits because of
the circumstances. I also think that a year from now,

(01:53:35):
the circumstances could be drastically different and it could be
his own thing. It could be and if look, if
he goes and does a YouTube show, or if he
goes and does something kind of external where those guys
decide they're going to start a company and they're gonna
do their own thing, Everyone's gonna go find it and
watch it. It's going to succeed on its own independently

(01:53:56):
because it's grown bigger than whatever network it's on. You
look at, like Joe Rogan or Howard Stern or you
know insert name here. There are some people that are
bigger than their medium, They're bigger than their network. Wherever
they go, people are going to seek them out. Barkley
is one of those types. And maybe he knows that already,

(01:54:16):
or maybe that's something that he will learn in the years.
Just say Okay, well I could go do this on
my own. We can sell it this way, we can
monetize it this way, and we can do it. So
my answer is, I think he meant it in the moment,
but I think that no one's going to hold him
to it, and I think it's a very loose statement

(01:54:37):
that is not a lie. I don't think he is
deceiving anyone. I think he does as you said. I
think in his heart he believes he's gonna leave after
next year. I do not think that's the last time
we're going to hear from Charles Barkley.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
So I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
I think the morale point is really good, and I
just think he's got too much to say. I mean,
and I know we got it, we cut back and
maybe even just discuss his brief on the back end,
But like he's he doesn't seem like a hard guy
to get if you have a high profile podcast or
radio show, and I just I can't envision him just

(01:55:12):
completely cutting it off, because not only is he really
good at it, it seems as though he really enjoys it.
And you know, I think he could still do a
lot of the stuff that he wants to do in
the offseason and still have that as well. So we'll
see I find it interesting. I'm with you as I
think he means it in the moment. I have a
feeling come the twenty twenty five twenty six NBA season,

(01:55:36):
he'll be doing something somewhere and as you said, Jason,
will all be watching Fox Sports Radio. Eron towards Jason Martin,
broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com Studios.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Come back, wrap the show.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
How about this from a Hall of Fame broadcaster potentially
stepping away, how about the greatest of all time in
his craft.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
We'll discuss that next Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio ra towards Jason Martin,
broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com Studios.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
We're taking it up till the top of the hour.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Bernie Fratto of The Bernie Fredo Show takes the baton
from us at two am Eastern time. You know, Bernie's
got a lot to say on what was a busy
week in sports, Jason, including.

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
Major news out of Major League Eating.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Jason, did you see the big Joey Chestnut news? So
I'll set it up, but we got some context the
next day which makes sense. So Joey Chestnut sixteen time
Hot dog eating champ banned from.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
The Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Now, they claimed it was because he was in another
hot dog eating contest with a vegan hot dog. But
then a day later we found out that he actually
has a made for TV hot dog eating contests on
Netflix with Kobyashi, and so I think that's where it
kind of comes in. Crazy week in the world of
professional eating. I was not ready for a Joey Chestnut

(01:57:12):
controversy in the middle of my week.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
Man, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
So we talk a lot about well, the narrative is,
you know, you don't have a league, you have Caitlin Clark. Yeah,
when you look at the WNBA, so true. This one
is even like way.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Further in the same Can you name another professional eater
besides Joey Chestnut and Kobyashi who obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
Yeah, the answer is no. I mean Kobyashi was the
only one I knew until Joey Chestnut and that's it.
So if Nathan's is going, if they were actually going
to ban them and keep them out of it, then
just nobody's gonna care about the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating
Contest that cared about it prior now I don't know
what that community is. I'm not one of them. I'm

(01:57:55):
kind of grossed out by the whole thing. Actually not
kind of. I'm incredibly grossed out by the whole thing.
But at the same time, like you don't have a sport,
you have one, dude. And so I look at it
all and just say, all right, well, if Joey and
kobeyash you're going to do this thing on Netflix, then
everybody just watches that. Now. The one thing, if you're
smart and you're Nathan's, it's all about Joey Chestnut. So

(01:58:19):
all right, we're gonna ban you, Joey, you go do
this thing and make your money. We're gonna get ourselves
another champion, and then it's going to be our guy
versus you, you know, one on one deal and we
can cash in twice. That's the only other thing I
thought about was maybe they understand that if they create
somebody else, then maybe they generate interest in somebody other

(01:58:39):
than Joey Chestnut for Joey Chestnut to then go back
and try to get his crown and all that. I
guess I'm that's the pro wrestling mentality in me coming out.
But that's the only way this makes any sense at all.
If you're Nathan's I don't care if you were upset
that you know, the Vegan impossible hot dog or whatever
is a competitor to you with Joey Chestnut, like you're

(01:59:02):
completely irrelevant. Like it's as if you don't even exist,
which I'm cool with. By the way, if you guys
want to just go back selling hot dogs and not
doing the contest, I'm all for it. But if we're
gonna keep doing this thing, you don't have the leverage
that you think you do. Joey Chestnut is your sport.

Speaker 3 (01:59:20):
Zero doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
Yeah, I like that possible pseudo conspiracy theory of Basically,
it's like in boxing when like you have a champ
and you're like champ. If you don't fight the number
one contender, you lose the belt, and then they've refused
to fight the number one contender, and then the number
one contender gets the belt and then the other champ
comes back.

Speaker 3 (01:59:41):
To fight them.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
So like there are other sports analogies there. I just
find it fascinating, and I do think they're gonna learn
really quick they don't have a sport without Joey Chestnut quickly.
Game five NBA Finals Monday night in Boston. What are
you thinking for that game, Jason.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
I'd like to see more this series. I'd like to
see this thing be really compelling, knockdown, drag out and
get back to Dallas. I don't think it's going to
I think it's over. I feel like what you got
in Game four was just that moment where Luca was
not going to get swept, that that was not going
to be the storyline of this thing. But I do
not believe that they can duplicate that, and that Boston

(02:00:22):
can play that badly in front of their home crowd.
I think they'll be raising Hilario O'Brian on Monday and
that'll be it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
So I'm with you. I just think that again. I
know I've reiterated this. I've said this two or three
times over the course of our three hours on air.
But teams have these in the NBA playoffs. This does happen.
You have a bad night, a bad moment, you move on.
You know the cliche from football, You bury the game
tape and you just move on to the next one.
They've been the best team all playoffs. I don't think

(02:00:49):
anything changes. I think the Boston Celtics are your twenty
twenty four NBA champions on Monday.

Speaker 3 (02:00:55):
Night, tell you what we gotta get out of here.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
Want to thank the crew to Sager on the update desk,
Brianna our producer extraordinaire, Mary Mac producer extraordinaire on the board.
So thank all of you for all your help. Great
work by everybody. From my partner Jason Martin, I am
Aaron Torres. We'll be back next Saturday.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
Coming up.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
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