The Fellas with Anthony Gargano & Jason Fitz Talk JJ Redick, Stanley Cup Final, NFL Offseason & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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are the fellas, Jason Fitz Kevin Figures. I'm Anthony Gargana
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should be. Well, FITZI last night it was, uh, it
was awesome man, watching EDITD go wild, watching that building

(00:46):
freak out that it's funny. That's what's so much fun
about sports. Is here it is the Stanley Cup Final
and it's great theater because you know, Florena's a three
to zero. They forced the uh you know they they
they all important Game five on the road they win

(01:06):
to force the game six.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
And here it is Edmonton, and you know Edmonton so
far north.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Here it is three hour time difference from the East coast,
and it's light out. They're partying and the streets and
the game's over and it was just awesome, man, it was, Uh,
the atmosphere in that building. I have to say this,
and and you know, we always, I think, admit this,
but we never discuss it, which is there's nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Like playoff hockey.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Like playoff hockey's ridiculous the end, and Russia is like
you hold your you're you're always holding your breath.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
It's just a great product.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Well, look, I'll admit my bias and love for it.
Simply be like my first year on radio doing this
was the year that Nashville went to the Stanley Cup Final.
Then I was working for the flagship of the Predators,
so we were at every game and we cover that
entire run. And the coolest thing about it to me
was that how the city sort of came together with it.
And you know, for me growing up in Vegas as

(02:11):
a kid, obviously last year's run for the Golden Knights
was particularly special for me. I went out to one
of the finals games and I went to the parade
and I look at all of that and you saw
some of that magic in Edmonton because frankly, the Oilers
aren't just playing for Edmonton, They're playing for all Canada,
right like Canada has been out of this thing for
so long, And you could feel that energy the minute

(02:34):
that that game, the puck dropped and it was electric,
like the hair standing up on your neck just watching
that thing. And it reminded me a little bit of
some of those moments in Nashville where you just you
didn't know how that Preds team was finding a way
to win, but they were and there was a magic
to it. And you know, let's not forget here that
Game three of this of this final series, the Panthers

(02:55):
won four to three, and that's the game the Oilers
could have should have, you know, would have won. This
series could look much different because since that game, you're
talking about an eight to one win, a five to
three winner, and then last night a five to one.
I mean, it's just a domination right Like, So now
it's one of those strange moments where we say this
all the time, but who was the most pressure? Well,
my god, I mean, the Oilers have been under the

(03:17):
gun for the last week and it hasn't phased them
at all. This just just feels like a magic moment
in sports right now. To see the way the best
player in the world, I know wasn't a big deal.
Last night. If you listened to the update, you heard
that Conor McDavid was not the reason. But to watch
the best player on a team that's representing an entire
country is just wild.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Oh my god, dude, it's unbelievable, right, it really is.
It's unbelievable, the theater of it, and watch it up
and down last night. It was. It was awesome, it
really was. And you're right, like you captured it nicely.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
You know. It's funny.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Growing up in Philadelphia it was a big hockey town
because the Flyers had broken like a long streak, as
like the Philippi was if you get in the history
of the town was like a town of losers, like
they never want anything.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
They were and they were bad and everything they did.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
And so the Flyers, like in the seventies, wind up
winning the Stanley Cup twice and it changed kind of
the mentality of the teams and then they went on
this like run.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
And so growing up when I.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Was a kid, like the fly like the hockey was
like a big deal and it became a thing. And
now they they haven't been good for a while, but
it was interesting how you know, what they did, like
how how it became something. And playoff hockey is so
so special.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
It's It's funny. When I was a kid a little
you know, it was it was the Gretzky era, and
my dad just my dad always loved greatness, didn't really
matter what it was, he just loved greatness. And so
he was a big hockey fan, and I loved Gretzky
so but we didn't have cable. So at the end
of the summer every year I would get my dad
would get up just a box of VHS tapes that

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a butt of his had taped the entire Oilers Stanley
Cup Runner, and my dad's big thing was, like, you
gotta watch Gretzky. And then he was traded to the
Kings when I was a kid, so like the which
meant so much to hockey in America. We forget right
now that there was a period where hockey in America
was kind of considered useless, right, So Gretzky going to
the Kings was a big part of that, you know,
and it changed so much to the mindset nationally for hockey.

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So I grew up around that. I think I took
that for granted as I moved around as a kid
that just you know that there there were certain moments
that were gonna be amazing. The funny thing to me
is having watched it grow from nothing in Nashville and
then in Vegas, you just see how much it ties
into a city. And I've made this argument a lot

(06:03):
when you talk about why there's success, for example, for
the Preds and Golden Knights, so many people living in
a city that moved there or that grew up there,
they have their favorite, you know, football team because you know,
Granpa was a fan of this team, or you know,
my dad was a fan of this team. Like you
walk in with these sort of in Nashville, for example,
before the Titans ever lived there or went there, I

(06:25):
should say, the Cowboys were a big part of this market.
So like in Nashville, the Cowboys always sort.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Of have oh yeah, Cowboys and every mark.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
You know, that's just but it's real. Like the Titans
come in and it's like you got to convert fans,
you know, you got to make a team. When you're
talking about hockey, Like most of the people growing up
in a lot of these cities didn't have favorite teams.
So it becomes a newer fan base, you know, because
like all right, I live in Nashville, I live in Vegas,
whatever it is, I'm going to become a fan of
that team. What we see when you and some of

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that for the Florida Panthers particularly right, like people in
Florida probably weren't die hard insert hockey team name here fans.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
But it Edmonton a little bit different because there's a
lot of New York.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Oh yeah, that's sure, a lot of retirement.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, I'll give you New York.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
New York is always on the East coast and Chicago's
on the West coast, and both of that was.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
That was Detroit. When the Preds first started playing in Nashville.
I went to the first ever Pred's game, and I
have a puck still in my desk that they gave
the first.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
No.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I think he's uh, I think he's I think without
It's a perfect time because I'll be trying to get
my boy up to a good morning.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Figure morning Couzin's going on.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
We're doing with my brother?

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Oh excellent, as you guys are talking about, just one
of the most exciting, you know, especially if you don't
have a dog in the fight. Like, what's more exciting
than seeing a team rally down from three to nothing
and for deciding game seven. How much doesn't get much
better than that in a sport like you guys mentioned,
nothing better than playoff hockey because you're living and dying
with every single shot, every single pass, every single save.

(08:09):
It's different. In basketball, a team can go on to run.
Even in the NFL, you know, it's a progression. Typically
maybe you have a big play here or there. It's
just nothing like the drama and the emotion that goes
into a playoff hockey game.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
No, I'm back, and I just wanted to finish the
I don't know where it dropped out, but I just
wanted to say quick. The fact that you've got Oilers fans,
It's like, yeah, my grandfather, my great grand they were
Oilers fans, Like these families did watch those championship runs
that were years ago, you know, So I just think
it hits different. I've been very clear that I've been
rooting for the Oilers through this process because it just

(08:43):
hits different for that fan base.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, dude, it's not even close.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like I like, listen, let's be let's be keep it
one hunted right, Like, you're right.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I was going to ask you.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Why Nashville and Vegas are different the way they consume it.
The show like both both Nashville and Vegas have a
show like it's ridiculous. It's cool that you got to
experience both those towns like that. But Florida's not like
those two. Florida is the half Dead. And I do

(09:19):
think it's because of the Northeast and the Chicago New
York type of thing. But Edmonton, those fans deserve it.
And I do feel for Canada because they treat the
sport like we treat the NFL. Like they're they're talking
trading camp like they're they're into it like we like

(09:41):
we consume football three sixty five days, they consume hockey.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Which blew my mind. When we were touring in the
Music and we first time we have a tour Canada
and we were up there for like a month straight,
and I would turn on because they don't have normal
ESPN up there. They have like TSN, you know, And
so it's funny because I would turn it on and
I would be just looking for football and there was none.
But boy, if you wanted a break down of the
third line defensive pairings for some random Canadian hockey team,

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they had you covered. You know, it's just it's You're
absolutely right. They they live, eat, and breathe it, and
you know, I think when it comes to what makes
certain cities different, Nashville just understood they needed to do
the show like they needed to do something that stood out,
and Vegas was really clear. And I think one of
the smartest things the gold Knights did. I know a
lot of hockey fans don't love the Golden Knights because

(10:28):
of the way the expansion draft works, but I would
say this, they did a really smart thing in Vegas.
They went to every single arena for a year before
they got into their business model, and they looked at
every different situation and they said, what do we love
about what this city does and what do we want
to take to bring to make our own. So it's
funny that Nashville actually influenced some of that Vegas stuff,

(10:49):
like the show before and the in between periods and
the way that they sort of presented and then the
bars that are right outside of the front door of
the stadium, like that was all or the arena that
was all take from, Hey, we really like what they
do in Nashville. That's a and I think you have
to do that when you're trying to grow hockey. Like
that's why of the interesting things when Nashville started here

(11:09):
as a franchise, there wasn't even that, there wasn't youth
hockey anywhere. One of the things they had to do
was start building youth hockey centers and funding youth hockey
in the suburbs to try and get kids playing so
that you could start to create generational fandom. And they
were really clear that they thought it was going to
take ten to fifteen years to really hit their mark
as a as a franchise, which it did, you know,

(11:31):
and Vegas has done the same thing youth hockey all
over the place, right you think about that. That's why
it's so different for Edmonton because this is just rooted
in the I think these kids grow up with these jerseys.
These kids grow up, you know, loving the Oilers the
same way that kids here grow up loving you know,
the Cowboys. Whatever it is. So it's it is just

(11:51):
it's so different because for me, what I love are
championships where in my mind you feel like like Grandpa
and Grandma are sitting there in the house with the
grandkids and every generation of them is in tears because
they're all saying, God, this means so much to all
of us from years of look and that's what you're
that's what you have the chance to get from Edmonton
if they can see it in Game seven.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Now I well put well said fig.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
My guess is because it was interesting fits he touched
on Gretzki in La. And I remember in the nineties,
La had like a hockey renaissance in fact, or a
hockey it really started and it was it was hockey explosion.

(12:38):
Maybe a lot roller rinks were being built. So there
are a lot of like outdoor hockey rinks. And there
was a hockey bar in Manhattan Beach called Harrio's. It
was like they're toward the middle to end of the
nineties and I'll never forget this, and it used to
be packed. People loved it. Like it was like kind

(13:01):
of during the post Gretzky Kings thing and the Kings,
I guess Shaghear was the.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Goalie they went on the run. Oh that I was
later and that was the Kings, but.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
The Jays shaghar was wasn't the Ducks. But yeah, Jonathan
Quick was what there was. The was the goalie for
the Kings when they had their Cup runs.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Right, what was the what was the reason I might
get my long winded set up was that it probably
hit your formative years, right.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Yeah, Well, the Gretzky you know phenomenon. I was, I
was very very young, like just entering into like consciousness
of exactly what was going on. But but you know,
the city was absolutely crazy for a city that was
you know, Dodger and Laker crazed, hockey was just searching
for so long to try to find its niche and
they had some success, you know in the earlier years.
Was it was a it was a great player for

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the King franchise early on, but they hadn't really.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Dude, that's a bust down name shot.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
I just tell you he's a legend. But you know,
Wayne Gretzky obviously put hockey on the map. Marcel Dion
as well, you know, so he put hockey on the
map in Los Angeles for people actually started filling up
the forum, selling out games to go see hockey, which
was something that was just unheard of on the West

(14:20):
Coast in general, let alone in Los Angeles where you
already had legacy franchises. And I will say the Kings
have a loyal fan base even today, but to be
honest with you, they still trail way behind the Dodgers
and the Lakers when it comes to popularity. When the
Kings are going through their struggles like they have been
these last couple of seasons, and look, they've made the playoffs,
you know, they just they keep running into Edmonton every

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single year. If they can figure out how to beat Edmonton,
maybe they're in the Stanley Cup Final. Who knows. At
this point in time, they're kind of in the midst
of a semi rebuild. It's just a difficult place to crack.
And so you talk about entering to a market like Nashville,
even more so in Las Vegas, I would say fits
who didn't just had no professional sports franchise at all,
you know, think it's a much easier to kind of
come in, especially if you're going to be successful immediately

(15:04):
and guarding yourself a fan base, because you just you
have a bunch of transplants who are looking to grasp
onto something new, that's something novel, which is what hockey is.
Especially in a place like Las Vegas. It was just
much tougher even you know, thirty forty years later with
the Kings here in LA because they're already such established
fan bases and great franchises like the Dodgers, like the Lakers,

(15:25):
the Rams were here. Once they left, they came back
and won a Super Bowl in the first couple of
years coming back. It's just a tough market to crack.
But even one of the Kings, I will say Los
Angeles did rally around them, and when they actually had
those two Stanley Cup Final runs in twelve and fourteen,
I mean, the city was all encompassed with the LA Kings.
So it's one of those things when the team is
actually successful, can maintain that success. You know, you really

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see a city be galvanized and rally around them. But
I can imagine it's a hell of a lot different
when it's a place like Edmonton. You like, like I said,
is up in that even Laws Vegas to a certain degree.
I know the Raiders are there, the Aces. You're going
to get an MBA team here pretty soon, but as
of right now, like the Golden Knights were the first
professional franchise to play there and to have the immediate

(16:12):
success that they had, I'd imagine they're probably number one
or maybe one d with the Raiders in the hearts
of that city. It's just it's hard to quantify they.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
I mean, the level of passion and love for the
Golden Knights is far greater than it is for the
Raiders in Vegas. That's also I think it's fair context
to tell anybody, for anyone that doesn't know or remember,
there was a mass shooting in Vegas at a country
music festival right as the Golden Knights were starting their
first season, and so tragedy sort of brought the franchise

(16:43):
in the city together because it was a time that
city was really shaken. They needed some level of healing,
and that was directly as their season was starting an
impact and it felt like the city and the hockey
team sort of came together at the same time and
it provided a little bit of a distraction through tragedy
in their first season, which unprecedented success came from right

(17:04):
So they were wildly successful right out of the gates
at a time where the city really needed that there's
a bond because of the tragedy they sort of came
out of together. That that certainly hits, but again that's
we're still talking about, like if you're a Golden Knights fan,
of which I am, there is you haven't lived through
the five, ten, fifteen years of God, we just can't

(17:26):
crack through, you know what I mean, Like you had
too easy?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean really you got no listen, try
to being a legacy Flyers fan. Right, they were good
for like my childhood, they were really good, but they
didn't win right like forever and ever. They won when
I was really really little, and that was it. They
haven't won since nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
All right, you're goal odd.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Think about that for a second, close to fifty years
without winning the Cup, you know, that's that what happened
with the Ragers. The Ragers had gone like fifty years
without winning a Cup. Like, that's a long time for
those like you know, they're a legacy franchise.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
They've been around for a long time, man.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
And even that hit me when Nashville lost in the
Stanley Cup final and I remember being outside of the
arena afterwards and fans were still sort of celebrating the run,
you know that it got them there, and the number
of fans that were like, man, this team is so
good and so young, we're gonna be back next year
and it's like, now, it doesn't work that way, man,
Like you can be The craziest thing about hockey is
that you can be the best, and it means nothing

(18:36):
towards winning the cup. And that's that's why you just
have to if you're Edmonton in this situation, you want
to look at it and say, we've got the best
player in the world. We've managed to get this thing
to game seven. This is house money, you know, this
is just the beginning. You never know, and more than
any other sport, I don't think good equals championships. And
so you really you got to be hot at the

(18:57):
right time, healthy at the right time, and lucky at
the right time. Like your goalies got to be hot
at the right time. All of these things.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's just go figure right, Like your goalie has to
be hot, and there was no goalie hotter than Bobrovski.
I mean, it's ns all right, and all of a sudden, right,
you know, he has two flops in a row. I mean,
it wasn't his fault last night, but he had two
flops in a row. It's bizarre. It's completely bizarre. Anyway,

(19:28):
I gotta I gotta draw a parallel coming up with
because we have Euros and Copa America going on too,
and I want to just just from the the outward
kind of how the game is. I want to pick
your guy's brain on like the amount of goals in

(19:49):
hockey feels right. So I don't want to piss off
any soccer people, but I gotta throw this hatchet because
I I'm still like a new B soccer fan or
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Speaker 2 (20:52):
All Right, Welcome back fellas from the Tairaq dot com studios.
So I'm watched the the euro started this week and
then Cope America started, which is a lot of fun
becauld you get to you know, the countries. I'm in
on anything that's countries. The World Cup is the best,

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and then the Euros and Cope America. It's it's a
lot of fun. And I'm so I've been watching a
lot of matches and it's so interesting because when you
watch hockey, and the relation is obvious, right, like just
the the amount of goals and that sort of thing.

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And maybe it's because I was raised more on hockey
than soccer, but my only gripe is like the goal,
the action, the goals, and it's probably just kind of
how we were raised.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
But like, I like the way hockey works.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Like I'm not saying it's gotta be six three, but
just give me, you know, three two.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
They don't give me four to two, give me.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Three to one, right, Like that's my only beef with
I still a new beat of soccer, and I don't
want to offend any soccer fans, like I'm nobody, right,
So I look at it, I know and I look
at it, like, you know, I respect the beauty of it.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Miss.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I have friends of mine in Italy. I mean like
you know, they'll I mean, they would be throwing, you know,
knives at me they hear this take right, But I
enjoy it so much more. I don't need a ton
of offense, but I need just a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
I think the hardest part about the lack of offense
is how hard it is to just consistently push the
ball up the field at times, right, And by that
I mean to make the comparison to hockey smaller obviously surface,
but they they come in spurts, so like you get
a big blast into the we're going into the aggressive

(23:02):
side of this. Like there's a way you can watch
it and see the flow of it and understand some
of that. I think the hardest part is that just
establishing possession in the attacking zone is at times a
chore in soccer. So for me, what can get a
little tiresome is like, all right, turnover at midfield and
then deep kick, and turnover at midfield and deep kick,

(23:24):
and it's just like it'd be like if you were
watching in a football game and it never got into
the red zone, and it's just what it feels like.
They're playing from the twenty to twenty so often. And
I understand that, you know, that's part of the beauty
of it, but it just can be especially on TV.
I think it's a particularly tough watch for that for
that reason for a lot of people, myself include.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, and then you get these like of opportunities, like
like a three to one match or two one could
be like ridiculously exciting if you got at least shots
on goal, right, like at least some stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
There's nothing more interesting.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
And I was watching Argentina Canada, and.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Thursday night, I'm like, I come home from practice from
baseball practice, and uh, there.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Was really there was. I don't think there was many
games on or whatever.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
And so I was watching Argentina Canada, and Canada is
playing like a press and so Argentina has got all
the talent in the world, right, like they're the best
in the you know, in the Americas, and so the
Canada was pressing them.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
And they were going out.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
So it was interesting the the the odd man Russias
that they gave up, but they gave up some some fast.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Breaks and it was.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I mean it was thrilling, Like the fast break piece
of it was was wild. Although then America got ripped
or the United States got ripped because they put this
bad side in the Mercedes Benz in Atlanta and the
players are ripping it. It was like they were saying
how hard and horrible was and slippery it was, so

(25:15):
you know, we got ripped in the end, but it
was it was so interesting, like it's thrilling when they
have these odd man breaks.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Fig.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Yeah, I'll be honest with you, I didn't necessarily tune
in for this one, but I will see. I will
speak on a general sense when it comes to soccer.
I will say we talk about the excitement that comes
to playoff hockey and being able to you know, rest
on you know, the shots on goal and we're living
and dying with every single shot. I will say that
it happens, to Fitz's point to a certain degree, so
infrequently when you do get a rush on goal and

(25:48):
something finally happens, it takes it up to even more
more of a higher notch, and especially as the matches
get more and more important. And I think you brought
up one particular distinctive phrase there, and it's in watching
it on television, it doesn't translate. If you've ever been
in person for a big time soccer match, from start
to finish for ninety minutes, it is unbelievable. It's one

(26:08):
of the great atmospheres you will ever witness.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Where did you go? I've never been to a soccer match.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
So I went to a concor CAF Championship match between
Team USA and Mexico a couple of years ago. It
was at the Rose Bowl. And I've been to Rose
Bowl games, I've been to college football playoff games. I've
been to every major events you can speak of, and
that is one of the most electric atmospheres I've ever
been in. And like, look, look that that was cocking CAF.
It was Mexico, wassa. It wasn't a World Cup match
or anything, but it was a big deal for us

(26:35):
in North America. But even still from a grand scale standpoint,
nowhere near the magnitude of some of these other matches.
And even still, it was one of the most electric
atmospheres I've ever experienced. And I believe the final score
may have been three to two. Mexico scored a goal
late and ended up winning, but that is one of
the most electric atmospheres I've ever experienced, and it would
not have translated as well watching on television. It just

(26:55):
wouldn't have.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Just go to an MLS match, like I'll say that,
Like I was lucky enough to get to cover a
bunch of them when I was at ESPN, and then
I played the national anthem for the opening of the
new MLS stadium in Nashville. Actually, and I'm telling you,
like you get into the supporters groups that they have
that are at these things, and they're all they always
in every MLS stadium, the supporters have a special area

(27:20):
behind one of the goals and they all stand and
they got drums everywhere and chances and colored smoke that
goes out the entire time. Like it is an experience
going to a match like it's it's it's it'll make
you a fan immediately, like anything else. It's just better
in person. But particularly the Figgy's point me, even MLS matches.
I went to Cincinnati, Portland, a couple others, I think

(27:44):
Orlando when I was with Four Letters, and I'm telling you,
every one of them has their own. This is our
special thing that we do and it will, It'll change
your whole perspective on the sport. The only problem is,
and then this has been me every time. Every time
I go, I come out of it and I'm like,
you know what I'm gonna invest in. I'm going to
become a die hard soccer fan because that was so cool.

(28:07):
And then you watch like ten minutes on TV and
you're like, yep, nope, nope, no, can't do it. So
for me, it just doesn't hit the same anything.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Well, it's funny, I should say. I it's funny, it's freudian.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I said, I hadn't been to a soccer match, but
I've gone to a couple Union MLS matches, right, so
I've been to a couple of them.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
But I meant, I like, to me, like you.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Got a Premier League or the Bondes League, Siria, like
you know those Europeans the way they are the South
Americas like the way they do soccer is I mean,
I don't like, I've never been to those stadiums, but
like you get you look at the stands and it's

(28:53):
non stop cheering the whole time, like you know, it's wild.
So I guess I guess I take the United States
out of it when it comes to when it comes
to that like the grand stage of it.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Yeah, I mean, and to a certain degree, I understand that.
But to fits this point, even I think even going
to the Union games, yet it's not on the same
scale as say a Premier League match, but even still
like the energy in the building, it's I won't say
it's unmatched from say, you know, an NBA playoff game
or a college football game or anything like that, but
it's it's fairly comparable, especially if if you sit, you know,

(29:28):
in those team sections. I know, the Galaxy EA have
a pretty rockets at LAFC is phenomenal, and the experience
that they have at their stadium in downtown Los Angeles.
If you're ever in LA and have a chance to
go to an LAFC game, you should absolutely do it
because it's a phenomenal atmosphere. You know, you really just
feel the energy in the building. So so yes, it's
not the same I'm imagining as a Premier League match,

(29:49):
but it's still pretty up there. It's pretty up there
with the experience you would have in most other North
American sports. Because the fans who are fans of those
teams passionately, like you know, people like Fitz and I
will love to be who say we want to be
when we go to a game, and then we just
kind of forget about it when we watch it on TV.
But the ones who are actually the passionate fans that
do go to every game, you almost feed off of
their energy once you get in there.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, I get that, you know, I completely get that.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
It's just weird because because watching the you know, like
when you're the Euros, it's like this epic you know,
ancient like rivalries and Spain versus Italy and I was
watching that the other day and they're you know, it's
like these blood rivals. It's you know, Yankees and Red
Sox on steroids and uh Yankees Dodgers, right, and I'm

(30:41):
watching this and I'm going, it's just like these people
like this is our football, but the the the sport
from an American's untrained eye, it's good, but it's like
it gets tedious.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Say what you won't say? People say it's boring.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, it's boring.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just not gonna mince words. They're fits
like people just it's it's there's not a lot of
scoring it's a very you know, defensive sport. There's a
lot of tactics that go into it. If you don't
under ad think fits bro watching.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
The Jersey Devils New Jersey Devils back in the yeah
early two thousands played left wing lock.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, but guys, are we not consistent with this? Like
think about it if you watch a hockey game. If
you go to a hockey game and you see one
shot on goal for the entire second period, you're gonna
get intermission when you're grabbing a beer with the buddies.
You're gonna make this game stinks, right, Like if you
watch a football game and the final score.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
I was at the.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Vikings Raiders that odd.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Yeah, Like the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Raider game were all of a sudden, You're like there
was this three nothing? Was this gonna be zero zero?
What like that? Would we watch those sorts of games
in any sport? We're like, yeah, that sucks. Like this
is what we do, Like we want points, we want
to be entertained.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
You know.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
The crazy thing is how football has evolved because when
it first started, you had like, oh, the final score
is seven to five. There was a couple of safeties
in there. Maybe there was a field goal, two yards
and a cloud of dust. And now the game has
evolved over the last you know, seventy years whatever it's been.
Soccer hasn't changed at all in the and there's something,

(32:18):
you know, really cool about that.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah, there's something special about that.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I agree, I aloy think it would change the whole
complex of the game.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
If you if there was no all sides.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Oh yeah, right, like if you were able and I
don't know, I mean you could tweak it and you
know you can't shoy pick, but you could do that
or whatever whatever you want to do it, but it
would it would make the game. Like so I hate
to say it, but it would make the game so
much better.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
Man it Like the issue is we're in the minority
and thinking that because the rest of the world thinks
the game is perfectly fine. I know the ones that
constantly want to put in tweaks and say we got
to get more entertainment value, story, we got to change
it up a little bit. They're like, the game's been
around for one hundred and sixty years and it's fine.
Why why change it? It's beautiful the way that it is. Yeah, No,

(33:07):
it goes to their culture.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Right, right, because you go to any European city and
the buildings are the same for two thousand years, right
sands any wars, right, any world wars, and they make
sure that they don't put new construction ice ores, right,
Like what the characoing to Europe is being taken back

(33:32):
into this place that's so different than the United States.
Like you go to a city United States, it feels
so different than if you're in Paris or Rome or Barcelona.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, and that's a really good point because we are
definitely a society that wants shiny new thing. We want
to be entertained all the time, like we're a gladiator
society at this point, you know. And that's that's across
the board. You're right, there is not some realm of
like ooh, I respect this for where it's come from,
Like I respect the history of it. Hell, even when
we even when we try to provide history on it,
we still want to find drama with it. Like we're

(34:07):
not We're not a historical society, right, right or wrong.
We are just a society of like shiny new.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Toys, right, yeah, because where the main ones to call like,
oh man, the Colosseum is a dump. You know, if
there was a two hundred year old stadium out you know,
out in Italy or something like, oh this is this
is majestic. Why would we want to make any alterations?
Or let's make some modernizations on the inside, but keep
the aesthetic on the outside. Even though we say it
looks like a piece of crap, they think there's a

(34:34):
charm to it.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yes, it was funny, Like I'll never forget I was
over here in I was at the coliseum in Rome
last year. Don't want to tour for my wife's company,
and she does an Italy tour company, and so we
were there for h in the coliseum and I hear
these Americans repid.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
It right like I'm thinking about yourself.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Expect we think this is lampboat Field two thousand years old?

Speaker 3 (35:04):
All right, Like come on, man, give me a break.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
She respect respect.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
What's there?

Speaker 5 (35:10):
What do you want to put a satellite dish on
top of it? Like? What goes along with you?

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Are you looking for luxury boxes? Man?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
It's the best, all right. We got a couple of
really good stories. I want to get to. Oh one,
we got to talk about JJ Reddick. I do want
to touch on the passing of Willie Mays. There's lots
to do today, and then of course football, because that's
what the fellas do. We are the fellas right here
on Fox Sports Radio. Sports Radio Radio, Welcome back, Fellas

(35:46):
from the ti iraq dot com studios. Jason fitz Kevin Figures.
So everybody's talving about it. You know JJ Raddick to say,
fig your it's your team, your squad, your Lakers.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
J J.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Reddick from the podcast Microphone to your head coach.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah, well that's I mean, that's how it was turning
into these days, right. You know, guys with no experience
continue to get jobs and become a talking head on
television act like you know what you're talking about. And
I'm not saying he doesn't. He absolutely does. I'm sure
he's very bright, he's intelligent. I'm sure he can be
on the track to be a good head coach at
some point, and maybe he will be. We've seen guys
be successful as first time he had coaches, Steve Kerr.

(36:35):
Granted Steve Kerr was a general manager for years. There's
just an element of paying your dues to a certain degree.
And maybe I'm old school, am I thinking? When it
comes to this, but be an assistant for a year
or two, you know, at least a couple of years
learn the ropes. It's just tough to be thrust in,
especially in a situation like this. You know, if you
had a roster like Oklahoma City, you know, or Orlando

(36:56):
or as a young team that's talented and on the
you know, on the come, with a bunch of young,
multiple guys, it'd be different. But you're coaching, you know,
a franchise, delusional or not, that has designs of competing
for championships, especially right now with Lebron on his way
out and Anthony Davis on the back end of his prime.
It's just really difficult to be thrust into a locker room,
into an organization like that with that level of expectation

(37:19):
as a first year head coach. So will he be
a good head coach? I think he might. I think
he's very sharp, I think he's very intelligent. I think
he will modernize the Lakers to a certain degree because
they were one of the most old school thinking franchises,
and I think that's helped him back over recent years.
I just don't know if he's the right person for
this job right now, but we'll have to see what happens.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Well, you go from perhaps one of the great ex
and oh coaches of that that's coaching right now, right
like in Hurly, Yeah, to JJ with no experience, right.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
And Hurley was the guy they wanted, you know. And
and it was reported on on Friday that Genie Bus
more than anybody, was the person who you know banging
the table. Now, she didn't bang it enough because if
she did, she would have pointed up more money for him.
Whether or not they felt that he used them as leverage,
they definitely gave him a low ball offer. They offered
him less than Kentucky offered him. So how serious the Lakers?

Speaker 3 (38:10):
I thought the same thing.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I'm like, if you're gonna go ahafter Danny Harley, do
you bet come correct?

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Yeah, that's not a godfather offer, that's a you know,
we'll offer you a lot of money and and rest
on our laurels of saying where the Laker franchise? Don't
you want to coach for us? Right? Was like, no,
we don't. This ain't nineteen eighty four, brother, This this
a different it's a different time in space.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Really, here's my question though, Guys like what's the point, Like,
I don't understand what the hell the Lakers are doing
right now. Nothing the Lakers are doing today is getting
them any closer to actually winning a championship. So congrats,
you're gonna bring Lebron back, and you're gonna bring a
D back, and you're gonna bring in JJ Reddick, and
you're gonna be an irrelevant team in the in the

(38:53):
grand scheme of actual cut championship conversation. Next year, nothing's
gonna get drastically better and we're gonna continue to delay
the inevitable. Well this is partially for the rebuild post Lebron,
Like what are they waiting for? Like, I I understand
the star power of what the Lakers do, but right
now it makes no sense. I don't remember the last
time the Lakers actively went into a season basically saying, yeah,

(39:14):
we don't have any shot at the championship, but that's
just the way it's gonna be, and did it intentionally,
And that's what they're doing right now.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Yeah, before Lebron came in, Yeah, basically the years before
Lebron arrived, when they are basically admittedly in a full
on rebuild. But yeah, they're kind of in no man's.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Land at this point, they're released trying like they rebuild.
They were like, we got to get through this, We
got to get through that, we got to try this.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
They had a plan. Yeah, to your point is that
they actually had a plan of action. Here's what we're doing.
Here is our goal, and I think bringing.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
In you can't have a plan with Lebron, Well.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Yeah, your only plan there is to put a championship
roster together, which I don't think they're capable of doing
right now. They don't even have the movable assets to
bring in the course sort of players to improve the
roster enough to make them a legitimate championship contender. That's
the issue.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I mean, that fits fits, That's that's the biggest problem. Brother.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
I think Lebron there's no way you could win with
Lebron an a D right now.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
But these as are on the roster. What are you
gonna do?

Speaker 4 (40:11):
That's why they should have just blown it all up
this year, Just blown it up and start the rebuild. Now,
this is a waste of time for LA.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
And if that was the case, if you were gonna
blow it up, you know what, maybe I'd sign off
on JJ Redick because why not.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, but he you Okay, let let's let's go back
to it where the Fellas rop against it right here.
Uh Fox Sports Radio FITZI cuz fig.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Well, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Happy Fox Sports Saturday Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargana, Kevin Figures,
the right FITZI, and the great Figgy my boys. In fact,
I'll pay you guys a funny compliment in that I
hate getting up. I'm just not a morning person. I've

(41:05):
never really been a morning person. It's one of the
reasons why I love being a sports writer. I cover
games and go do stories. I'd stay up all night
long writing and doing that and sleep until ten eleven o'clock.
That was my dream until I got into radio and TV.
And I hate getting up. I'm up for fifteen minutes

(41:30):
and we're our first break, and I'm like, you know,
I love this show. I love these guys. I look
forward to Saturday mornings as once. I hate getting up
at the at four thirty in the morning on Saturday morning.
I love hagging out with you guys. So let me
just say that, all right, you guys are the best.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Well, no, this is like one of the highlights of
the week. It truly is. I feel like what we are,
we're we're not like this old, but I feel that
there's something about this is like you know, when you
get to a certain age and like you just go
meet your like your old buddies at the McDonald's for
the fifty cent coffee and you just talk about what
happened the night before. I feel like that's what we are.
Saturday mornings. It's like our little McDonald's big breakfast and

(42:15):
little coffee.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Yeah. Yeah, you just sit down and you just start,
you know, shooting that you know what, and just talking
about whatever. Sometimes it's sports, sometimes it's about the kids.
Sometimes it's about you know whatever. And it just feels natural.
I'm right there in lockstep with both of you. This
is one of the highlights of every week for me.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, I really I love it. I do. I really
enjoy enjoy you guys. Hey.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
And it's funny because you know, you go through your
week and we're all doing our different things, and you know,
you know, Fitz.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
He's running around Yahoo and it's got him going.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Crazy and going everywhere and Figgies obviously on the network,
and he's also doing the LA Local and I'm doing
my Philly stuff and everything else, and like, you know,
it's like, oh cool man, I get to hang out
boys on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
That's kind of That's kind of what it is.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
You get the reset, and you know, you know how
many times I'll sit and I'll think back to our
conversations that we'll have and they're just really interesting and
I'll you know, wind up using them or talking about them,
you know, during the week.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
You know, you know, certain takes and that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
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Speaker 3 (43:39):
So let's get back to it.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
If you were going to rebuild, would you go JJ
Redick or would you JJ Redick only there because the
lebron and and I'm with you guys in that. I mean, listen,
I'm not saying you got to go, do you know,
hard life in the CBA like he used to back

(44:01):
in the day, or go, you know, go coach you know,
Northern Iowa for five years and then you could go
coach in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
But like, at least be in a system for a year.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Dude, just sit on Spolster's brinch for two years or something.
You know exactly, I'm asking a whole lot here. I
don't think that's too much to ask.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
The whole move just screams ah, what the hell? Like
I just every part of it. Where do we know
to the point that you just asked, will he is
he the right coach for a rebuild? Who knows? I mean,
the Lakers have just hired somebody that we know nothing
about when it comes to being able to coach and
can he win the locker room? When the whole time

(44:40):
they're going to be sitting there saying, well, is this
what you want? Or you just like saying what you're
just regurgitating Lebron's takes. Like the whole podcast thing feels
kind of weird coming into it. I just I understand
that JJ's very popular for his basketball intelligence on TV.
I just we have no idea how that's going to
translate in a locker room. How that translates with this

(45:01):
team of veterans, How that translates when they are doing
their rebuild, Like, I have no reason after the Jj
Reddick hire to believe that suddenly the Lakers are going
to be a championship team in the next one three,
five years. Like, it just doesn't. None of those things
make more sense because JJ's on.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
The bench now that the devil's advocate outlook would be.
You know, if we're gonna say that the roster is
as flawed as we all believe that it is and
they weren't going to compete for a championship anyway, then
did it really make a difference who they hired as
the head coach? And should they just take us swing
at JJ Reddick and see what happens. I'm not saying
that's how you should operate a franchise, but if it
doesn't necessarily matter Memphis to do.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
If you're like, if you're New Orleans, like, that's what
you do. If you're a team that's like sometimes relevant,
that's not what you do. If you're the Lakers. The
Lakers have sold us to Spillow Goods that they are
the ultimate team of championships. So though the Celtics can
now hang that banner in their arena instead, But the
Lakers are telling you every year we are here to compete.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
We are the Lakers.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
And now I'm just looking around saying, okay, how I
understand the Bubble Championship. I don't believe in asterisks, so
I'll give you that one. But everything else since then
has just been sort of midt. Everything about this is
just meh. The move, the roster, the current state of
the organization, where they rank in the West, it's all met.
There's no reason right now old places dollar bet on

(46:21):
the Lakers winning anything.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
I wouldn't even buy the body. And I'll go to
Anthony in a sec. But I will say, even with
the Bubble Championship, the ten years before that were terrible. Yeah,
the Bubble Championship was was a small positive blip on
the radar for ever since twenty eleven and when they
got run off of the floor by the Dallas Mavericks
in the playoffs and Phil Jackson's last year, they've been terrible.
They've been an atrocious organization.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, no, you're right, you're just spottling. The other problem
is the inconsistency, which is you go from Hurley to Reddick.
You go from a guy that was born to coach
right to a guy that decides to coach in the
last fifteen minutes before he goes to break.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Now, he did interview for the Charlotte job last year,
for whatever that means. Now, whether that was a token
interview just to get his foot in the door or what,
it wasn't just the Lakers coming completely out of nowhere
and interviewing him. He for whatever reason goodwill contacts in
the league, has had traction from a couple of different places,
and even Detroit after they fired Monty Williams. There were
reports that Detroit wanted to try to make a late

(47:24):
pushchair at least interview him before he signed with the Lakers.
So somebody out there in the NBA likes him for
some particular reason. It isn't just exclusive to the Lakers.
But again, if you're talking Detroit going nowhere rebuild, the
Charlotte perpetually going nowhere rebuild, it makes a lot more
sense than for a team, and for a franchise that
supposedly is championship or bust on a year in, year

(47:45):
out basis.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Well But my point is if you interview with the
Charlotte right, you interview with Charlotte and now I got
that right, you know, Duke the whole Carolina thing right
for everything?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
I get it. But if you're JJ Reddick, who shitt
on somebody's bench for.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
A year, Like if you really were in the coaching
coach sit on somebody's bench, you if you knew last
year that you were that coaching was kind of something
you wanted to do, well, you have the pick of
any coach you wanted to. Like, if JJ Reddick said,
Hey Danny Hurley or Hey Eric Spolstra, I want to

(48:23):
I wanna be your assistant, they would give him that
car point. He would he would be an assistant coach
and he would have learned for sat on the bench
for a year, and after that I feel a lot
better about him instead of going hanging out with Doris.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
That's a really good point. No, that's a really good
point that that you know, there's sort of a process
of and it raises the question of are you are
you aware? Are you self aware enough of the things
you don't know to be great at what you're getting into?
And I just think that that such a key in life.
I don't care what we're talking about, Like whenever you're

(49:04):
trying a different spin at what you do. And we
say this all the time in the NFL, like offensive
coordinator defensive coordinator, far different than head coach. I believe
they're wildly different jobs, right, so you know, you can
observe and eventually you just got to take the plunge.
But at least you're observing from a different standpoint. Like
the only version of this that JJ knows in that
level right now is a player's version of it. And

(49:25):
how that's going to translate to being a coach and
dealing with all that we have. It's just have no idea.
And we've seen this at the college level over and
over again. I mean, how did the Penny Hardaway thing
work out for Memphis so far? How did Juwan work
out from Michigan? Right Like, it's just you can put
players on the bench and it doesn't make them great coaches.
It's it's a much.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
Different skill set and even the x's and o's, like
bringing out the whiteboard and drawing up plays. I mean,
I'm not going to say anybody can do it, but
anybody that's been a measurable amount of time in basketball
can probably draw up a half decent play. It's less
about that when you're a head coach. You know, to
your point, Anthony, if you want to be a coach,
and be a real coach in coach basketball, you would

(50:03):
want to be an assistant. Those are the guys that
are in the grinder, watching film on off the side,
work with the players you know, you know, before practice,
after practice, teaching and all that stuff. The head coach,
really at any professional level at this point in time,
is less about x's and o's and more about all
of the other stuff, managing the media, managing egos within
the locker room, and player relationships and all that stuff.

(50:24):
It's more about that than nexes and o's. Doc Rivers
is one of the best coaches that drawing up a
playout of an out of bounce play he had once
since two thousand and eight. How great of a coach
is he. He's been run off with a couple of
different franchises here these last couple of years, so and then,
and Milwaukee didn't fare a whole hell of a lot
better once he got there. After they fired Adrian Griffin,
and people are already calling for him to be ousted there.

(50:45):
So being able to draw draw up a player do
x's and o's is not really I would say, a
skill set that is in demand for a head coach
at this point in time at most levels of professional sports.
So if that's what JJ Redick is holding his hat
on and what the Lakers were more impressed by, I
don't know if that's something that they should really be
focusing on.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Look, I'm consistent on this, Like I think Dan Orlowski
does a beautiful job of breaking down film. I really
love Dan's work, There's no doubt about it. If Dan
Tomorrow became a quarterbacks coach or an offensive coordinator, I'd say, Okay,
I understand what somebody's doing there. If Dan Tomorrow became
a head coach somewhere, I would say, what the hell
are you doing? Like, it's just it's a much different, Uh,

(51:26):
the entire task of it is different. You can be
brilliant with x's and o's. That to Figure's point, it's
just you got to get in the machine a little
bit to just be able to sort of churn it out.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
It's a great point. That's a great point being just
in the machine. So Tim Legler, right, who we all
know always had as braces of coaching. So Legs tried
to coach Lesal. Now he went to Lasal Lesal University

(51:59):
and phil their program is horrendous, it's a blip. The
phillup is a Big five and their fifth and they
really should be six behind Drexel. Like it's it's a
terrible program, an awful, ungodly program. And years years ago,
in the back in the day, they used to go

(52:21):
to you know, elite eights and final fours, like they
had a couple of runs, like deep runs. They were
one of one of these really good, you know programs
in the seventies. Right, But anyway, they're small. They're a
small Catholic college that is nowhere. Well, leg said, I
want to I want to coach, and they had a vacancy.

(52:44):
And he had been coaching high school. He had been
coaching AAU ball, He had an AAU team while he
was doing all his NBA stuff for ESPN, and they
didn't think that was worthy enough. And now I'm thinking,
this guy couldn't get a less sound job, which is
at the bottom rung of Division I basketball.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
And he went.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Out and was coaching AAU and for years and understood
that the mechanics of it, dynamic of it. And JJ
Redi goes to the Lakers and I'm just going, Wow.
And if you spent five minutes talking to Legler, you go,
this guy's a coach.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
It's curious to me how much of this is just
sort of blown up, not only because of the platform
he has with Lebron, but also because the platform he's
used on TV to yell about you know, not to yell,
but to debate about the way that basketball has been covered.
And he's really sold the world on I'm the smart
basketball guy. And as a result, I see things differently

(53:51):
and I just feel like everybody bought in and now
it's sort of well, based on what you know, based
on and look, I'm not going to sit here and
pretend that I know more about basts than JJ Reddick.
That isn't this conversation. This conversation is is JJ Reddick
the right person to get the Lakers to a championship.
There's certain organizations that there's only one word that you

(54:12):
can say about their goal. It's championship. Right Like, you
don't become part of the Celtics organization to try and
win and hope you can develop some guys Like that's
not it. You don't become part of the Lakers organization
for that. You do become the head coach as Charlotte
because hey, maybe this goes well. You don't become the
head coach for the Lakers for that same reason. And
there's just no proof of concept at all that JJ

(54:34):
knows absolutely anything about coaching or anything about coaching at
a level that wins a champion. It's so hard to
do in the NBA. How does hiring JJ Reddick make
the Lakers better than the rest of the West in
the foreseeable future. The answer to that is, we have
no idea if he actually does, and more likely than not,
he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, it's wild now, DVA though it's just a c
insane league. So Manti Williams gets blown out of Detroit.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Did you guys see how much they owe him?

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Sixty four million dollars? Like I want to know, and
this is like going unreported. Something happened between him and
Tom Gores. I don't know what it is. First of all,
Tradejon Landon just walked into the door and he gets it.
Gets the marching Gordons of ownership. Yeah, you gotta tell
Monty is gone, and I'm sure trade Jon's like, wait, what,
you just signed this guy to a sixty seven year contract.

(55:35):
We mean he's gone. You have me walking in a
week before the draft, and now I have to find
a head coach. When I signed up thinking I was
gonna have this guy for the next six years, It's like,
how bad you have to be?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Like, what did you do that makes somebody want you
out of the building so much they'll pay you sixty
four million dollars to leave? Like, I'm genuinely asking Monty
because I want to find this out in my life
so that I can get paid sixty four million dollars
to just go away. That's a wild amount of money.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
Even losing twenty eight straight games, which is hard to
do with any professional league. I get it. It's not
like he had a lot to work with though. Either.
It's like, come on, evenn losing twenty eight straight games
is not enough for sixty five million dollars for you
not to work. I'm sorry, that's insane to me, guys.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
He also, what did Phoenix give him on the pie out?

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Oh? Yeah, he had a couple of years left on
his deal there after getting him to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
By the way, he's gonna wind up making it close
to Yeah, I was gonna say, he's gonna be close
to one hundred million dollars.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Not to couch, fuck to couch.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
The greatest score, the greatest scam in the world is
Manty Williams.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
He's the full Manti. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
He's gonna be sitting sitting on a beach chair next
to Jimbo Fisher.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
U enough, we need a reality show where we just
get coaches that have fifty million or more in buyout
sitting around like sipping on like Peaka coladas, telling us
the secrets to life.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Three card Monty. I mean, come on, man, that is
the greatest show ever.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
The sad thing is Many Williams is actually a good coach.
He got a run out of Phoenix because the stars,
you know, drive to everything that they didn't like him,
the Big three that got you know, put together down
there with you.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
He was in Philly. I had him in Philly.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I love my Actually I liked normally, if you made
one hundred million dollars not to coach in buyout, I
would hate you out of your jealousy, right, like just
going cheap?

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Man, I got a growing am I doing wrong? But
I I'm about.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Say that I gotta get a you know, eighty million,
But how about I get like two? Right, this mother
bab is getting closed to my haunted like that's outrageous.
But he's a good guy, So I go, well, you know,
I God blessed man, I raise a glass to you,
ad to score.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I know. I. I mean, we're people.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
You see these numbers and you go, yeah, you know,
eighty million dollars whatever it is, sixty six million dollars.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
They own sixty six million.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
That's if it was five million, you go, damn five million,
not to work.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
This is sixty six million. This is generational wealth.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Somebody just gave you generational wealth to go away.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Also much money. I mean, remember this the next time
we see an owner find well, this owner was fined
uh one million dollars. If an owner is willing to
pay sixty four million dollars just to get one coach
to walk away, remembering they're gonna have to hire an
entire new staff now on top of that, then let's
let's remember that the next time we see one of

(59:01):
those joke finds right.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Oh, I mean you want to talk about no pity
whatsoever for these owners, right.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Like, give me a break.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Jeffrey Loriie bought the Eagles for like it was like
two million dollars back in the nineties. This is brilliant.
I mean, you know it's idiot proof, right, Like you
get into the NFL. But he got in the NFL
at the actual perfect time. So he's about to sell

(59:34):
off ten percent, so which is nothing because he's still
the majority owner by long shot. But he sells off
ten percent. Well, the franchise is worth close to seven
billion dollars, so he's ten percent that he's going to
sell off just to sell off is seven hundred million dollars.

(01:00:00):
So he's he sells off a tiny sliver like a
slice of pizza right of his ownership steak, and he
gets his buying money back four times almost.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Man, think about the in sanity.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
So you're right, Vincy, I never the last person in
the world I'll ever feel sorry for is an owner
of a professional sports team.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
I just want you know what, why couldn't I been
the kid of an owner of a professional sports team.
I blame my parents.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
He should you know Julian Laurie, who was who was
you know, working to take over for his father, sharp
guy and old young got great, you know, God bless,
but like he had the good fortune to be bored
to the Lori family, you know, like you know, so
much in life is who you're born to.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
Man, you know, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Hitting the lottery like some people if you're look at
all the and we're seeing this now because of time, right,
because of the times we live in. But one of
the great stories is the second generation, third generation athletes
because you know, obviously the gene pool is going to

(01:01:20):
work in your favor, but beyond that, just having the
connections to teach the game to you. Like you guys
know Jim Tony the Force, right, the great, great home
run hitter.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
So he's got a son who is a terrific player.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I think Tony's kids like fifteen years old, who's a
stud right, just like him. Now it would suffice that
he has a child. So he has a boy who
you know is going to be a big kid like
he is, and he's got to where with all to go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
And teaching the game right, like you know, you get it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
So God bless, you were born as Jim told me
the second right, Like, that's good.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
You're living man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
You know, next level that's another show, that's another reality show.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
What's life like?

Speaker 8 (01:02:13):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
I could only imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Yeah, yeah, good stuff. Boys. Let's take a quick t o.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I want to come back and I do want to
pay homage to Willie Mays and we're gonna do it.
I have, you know, the five questions for us, and
I'm going to bring it up now. One of the ones,
one of the questions is who do you feel like
you wanted to watch? Who did you miss out on?

(01:02:45):
And really, Amy is a guy that you know, I wish.
I'm sure all Thravis had wished we'd watched. And every
person I talk to him about him, like the of
the old timers, they all tell you what an incredible
like zest for life that Willy had. So I wanna,
we wanna, we gotta do that because we always pay

(01:03:06):
a tribute to the big stories of the week and uh,
the legend of Willie Mace where the fella is hanging
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Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
All right, so, uh, my boys, let's uh talk about
uh to say, hey kid and Willie Mace. Now I
from the context of having never seen someone like being
jealous of having.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Watched great news.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yes, and you know, I was talking to Charlie Manuel,
who's a dear friend of mine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
What a longtime baseball guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
He was a manager of the Indians and then the Phillies,
and he's a beautiful guy and he loves baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
And you know, he's one of these you know, six
degrees of separation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
He knows everybody from the game and all the old timers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
And he was talking about Willie Mays and he was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Like the amazing piece of what he was so great
about was he covered. He was such a great defensive
player that no one came close. He was, like, dude,
the greatest center fielder you could ever imagine. Now, time's
at by ten, and that's Willie Mays. He was an

(01:04:47):
amazing hitter. He had home run, he had power, he
had speed. He was five too, but he was an
incredible defensive player, like made trackdown balls in these deep alleys,
scaled defences.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
He was like Superman at center field. And that's what
made him great.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
Speed and athleticism at a different degree than anyone understood
and how to process or used at that time. Right, Like,
I just you think about the way athletes were, and
especially post integration, there were so many guys that I
don't think we're used to the level of speed that
they were seeing. And it makes a huge difference when

(01:05:29):
you talk about what we take for granted now. You
know we take for granted now we look at the
combine in the NFL and you see guys coming in
and running four two s, Right Like, you got to
remind yourself of an era of athletes where you know,
Babe Ruth was showing up to the park, according to
all the legends and stories, you know, maybe still drunk
and just going out there and just hitting the baseball.
And that's far different than what we're talking about here.

(01:05:51):
So I think that's part of what We'll always stand
out to that era is that it really athletes, like
really changed the entire world of because of what they
were capable of doing.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
That's the thing that peeves me about people nowadays. And
so like athletes are and the athletes are better now
than they were back then, but also these guys are cultivated,
you know, and coached up and have top notch nutrition
from the age of like twelve. Like back then, guys
had full time jobs in the offseason. Willie May's missed
time to serve in the military, a lot of guys
did back then. Like you've been talking about, its being

(01:06:24):
a different era in many different facets.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Imagine if Willie Mays, you know, had the sports science
and all the workout equipment and all that. Look how
amazing he already was, He'd be so much better if
he had all the stuff that these kids have now.
So it, yes, athletes are are better to a certain degree,
but you have to make sure we don't lose sight
of the fact as to why they're better because all
the the advent of technology and different things is so
much better now than it was back then. That's why

(01:06:49):
when we see great players from back in the Daykah
Willie mays, you know, I would say he would dominate
today just like he dominated back then.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
Well I love that point. Yeah, I love that point,
and I just I'll reiterate that because you know, I'm
flying to Jacksonville Monday to be part of a rivals
camp for high school kids, the five stars that are rising,
and they're doing all sorts of different things against each other,
like competitions, and then they're gonna play some seven on seven.

(01:07:16):
We're gonna hang out with a bunch of these kids
and post a bunch of interviews for rivals. But one
of the things that really hits me when you started
taking into some of these kids is that, to Figgey's point,
you've got now especially I mean, Florida has authorized name
image likeness for high school right, Like you've got kids
in middle school that are gonna start just being tutored
and then you know they're gonna play wherever they can

(01:07:38):
play every year to year to year to maximize their
skills and their earning potential. Like that's so different than
what it was like for anybody, even at the highest
level of professional sports. You know, it's become truly a
machine that absolutely is meant to kick out the best
of what somebody can be as early as possible. And
the athletes in that era never had that advantage a shot.

(01:08:00):
If they had had those advantages, I would love to
see what they would be. It's why I hate the
Jordan versus Lebron debate because everyone's like, well, Jordan couldn't
play in this NBA, and it's like or Lebron couldn't
play in that NBA. We presume that athletes from different
eras wouldn't be able to take advantage of what that
era gave them. I just I just can't do it.
We need to understand the athletes today have advantages that

(01:08:21):
historically would have absolutely changed every record in every record book.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Oh I well said you guys, well said, man, It's true.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
I'm watching well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I was watching some footage of Willy Mage and in
one of the great catches, he scales the wall right right,
one of these one of these like medieval walls right
where there's no padding. It might as well have had
spikes on the wall, right, like imagine some medieval castle

(01:08:54):
like and you're going up against these walls and he's got,
you know, these cleats that are the ancient, like the
might as well be Dutch wooden shoes on his feet.
And the dude is is scaling, you know, scaling this
this crazy wall. And I'm thinking, we are you Kennedy,

(01:09:17):
Now you got the best gear, you got padded walls.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
I mean, give me a break, right, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
What he's doing with Willie mas is doing is like
thousand times tougher.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
One of the great highlights I love seeing was he
was playing in an old timers game with the Mets,
and he's like forty four and he makes almost an
identical over the shoulder catch to the one that he
made when he was in his prime. That the highlight
that we all see and love, and he falls to
the ground, makes an over the shoulder grab, rolls over
and throws the ball to the endfield like he's twenty two,
and he's in his forties at just the next level

(01:09:50):
athlete at that point in time in the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Sixties' thinking about it, right, he's in his forties then,
which is you know, I mean he's like Brady, yeah, right,
Like in that sense, like these great there are freaks
of nature. Now, imagine if he had all the equipment
and the medical like the medical is so much more.

(01:10:15):
Our medical advances are a maze, truly astounding, and what
it does for athletes, it's just incredible. Sports science is
so impressive now and what you could do medically, What
we know about our bodies. I mean, it really is

(01:10:37):
apples and oranges when you're comparing our.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Even the simple things like shoes you were just talking about.
Guys are playing basket professional basketball games in the flimsy
you know, Converse shoes. I mean, how do you not
tearing it, break up an ankle every other night playing
in those things?

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
How's your back?

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
Not like literally this is the oldest thing I've ever
said on radio, but like I walked by a Converse
store the other day because I used to watch Box
all the time, and I was like, man, I just
I can't like it hurts my back if I got
to walk a lot in those like it's just it's
hurts my back was flat on my feet and can't
can't do it. I can't imagine running up and down
the court over and over and over again in those
golley back.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
In the day when they will play three, you know,
three dates in a row, you know, and three in
three different cities.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Yeah, you know, yeah, exactly, unless there are sponsor of bars,
in which case I love them and I would wear
them every single day. Just see, you got to be clear.

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
No, I have like five pairs of Chuck Taylor's in
my closet right now.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
I'm also short. I can't wear those around other people.
I'm five nine, Like people tower over me. If I
wear Chucks, I need height.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
You know, it's hysterical that you bring You bring up
the Chucks and if anybody brings up Chuck's day. Everybody
loves them, right, yeah, I love trying. I hate them
all right, I never warn them through a sponsor.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
I love you, but I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Uh no, this is the first. You're right. I've never
heard anyone say I had you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
I never liked them. I remember like buying a pair
because everyone else had a pair, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Like these blow.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
These are horrible, Like I want my Jordans, like give
me a break, Like why would I wear these?

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
And I can wear those?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Like it's stupid, Like I get it from the like
it's a fashion statement. So when he wants to make
a statement or whenever, that's cool, whatever whatever you're int do.
But as far as like wearing them. I'm much rot.
I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, give me my Jordan's, Like,
I love my.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
It's a very specific situation when you'd wear the Chuck Taylor's.
You know, it's like if you're going out, you know
they did a nicer, fresh and clean and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
I got my clean Jordans.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
I have the parodies these old school pumas that I love.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
Comfortable now you know these are like these.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Old school like they're all white, they're there were there
were always like a big deal that I was talking
to Mike. Nobody knows these sneakers, these sneakers called Fela
of course.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Hi school we always said just stood for Finally I
left Adidas.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
So we used to always have the white feet, like
the all white to go out when you're going you're dressed, sneakers,
chalk taylors Man, I have the deck. Everybody loves them,
and I can't say that, but I can say to
you too.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
I'm a while we're just admitting things here. Uh, this
is sacrilegious to say in the industry we're in. I
have never in my life bought a pair of Jordans ever,
Like I just I can't bring myself to spend a
ton of money on shoes. I've never like so everything
I wear like and so I wear these obnoxious Neon
tennis shoes all the time. People always like. I was like,

(01:13:43):
oh my god. I was walking through at one of
the events I think might have been the Super Bowl.
I was wearing these Neon like uh green things and
somebody's like, oh my god, are those like Neon custom yeezies?
And I was like, no, man, I have a save
search on Amazon that says obnoxious Neon men's shoes and
if they're under twenty five bucks to buy him, Like,
that's my that's my shoes. Like, I just I can't.

(01:14:04):
I stayed away from the Jordan addiction, and all my
friends have so many pairs of them, and I'm like,
I just can't. I can't bring them. I don't like.
I don't like it when my pants or my my
whatever I'm wearing, like whether their jeans are like, whether
they're like you know, at leisure or whatever. I don't
like for them to bunch at the bottom like, so
I like them to like and I'm short. I'm five
nine and a half, so you know, either I got

(01:14:25):
to buy really short pants which are hard to do,
or they're gonna bunch on top of my Jordans, and
I'm not gonna do that. Like high tops don't work
for me. They bunch on top that. That's not a
look I like.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
And you don't want to do like to tuck the
pants into the shoe kind of thing, because that's just
not the best look either.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
So white figure, I don't need to be that light.
I mean, come on, like, I don't understand that jersey
and why I wear it to my.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Oh talking the shoes, talking to pants in these shoe
is haride?

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
This?

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Where where did that come out? Some dude, young young
dude came over and I should do take what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
That's not cool?

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Certain things just aren't cool. They might be new, you
might try to bring them back, bring it back.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
So not every look is cool. That's not cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Where you're tucking in your your pants in your shoe
ate cool.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
There's a lot of young cats who think they look
fly doing that. It's not to look for me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
You know what, you know what makes us smart?

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
I'm sorry, I listen. I know I have the stable.
Cool is about. That's not cool.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
The reason that we get this as we get older,
is because we see the pictures of what we thought
was cool when we were younger, and we realize how
stupid it looks. So like when you're when you're young
and you're like, no, man, this looks great. All I
can say is like, cool, it's a social media era.
You're gonna be You're gonna be running away from that
picture for the next fifty years of your life. So congratulations.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Yeah right, all.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
Right, So what about they tucking the pants into the socks,
because that's a thing too.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Dude, No, all right, it's outrageously bad.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
That's even bigger than just tucking straight into the shoes.
It's like you have, like the crew socks, you'll tuck
your pants into the socks so you show off the
socks and the shoes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Nerle cool, bro, that's straight up corn.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
I don never want to support pulleying, but like, here's
the thing. When I was a kid, people like that
got beat up and maybe it helped him. Maybe it
helped him.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
I'm just saying, it's just GPS.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
That's a GPPs man. I'm sorry. With fellas hanging Fox
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Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
That's great from.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Willie May's talking into your socks, your pants, in your socks, we.

Speaker 5 (01:16:53):
Said, we talked about anything and everything, right, it's the
true spanning all topics here in the Fox Sports Radio
with the fellow.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
I love the fact that we've become so look, let
me loudly say this to I was a fat kid
that played the violin growing up, So miss me with
any conversation about how hard school is because like again,
a fat kid playing the violin classical music no less
does not. That doesn't work well. And I moved around
all the time. So like the nicest thing anybody wrote
in my sixth grade yearbook was go back home? All right,

(01:17:23):
So I'm bullying and like, but I've always said it
may be it made me a strong, good person, like
everything I went through as a kid and made the
rest of my life much better. So you know, hey,
there's a light on the other side. I'm just saying
that in the world of individualistic like, I get that,
and I love the world, like, but I also think,

(01:17:45):
like maybe, you know, maybe everybody needs a friend in
their life that will look at them and be like, hey, man,
that's not it. Like I genuinely believe, like, I want
a friend in my life that will walk up to
me and be like, I love you, but you're getting fat.
Like I just I we need that more. And you
need a friend that will walk up to you and
be like, hey, I know you think that looks cool,

(01:18:06):
but it really doesn't. And you're gonna hate yourself in
ten years when you look at a picture of it.
I just if you don't have that friend in your
life right now, do a little introspective thinking. If you
don't have that guy or girl in your life, go
get that person, because otherwise you're making mistakes. I'm just
telling you you need that person.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
You spot on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
We all need that. We all need that, you know.
That's the essence of friendship. That also is Listen, I
grew up with my group of friends. We're about you know,
eight ninety type of thing. And you know, you get
your balls broken right for lack of a better word,

(01:18:47):
And that's to keep you with live when you bust
somebody stones, it's to tell you without telling you you're
getting fat, or to tell you without telling you that's
a horrible look, right Like, that's busted stones.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
And you go, oh, I guess I gotta work all that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
That's the essence of it without having like a deep conversation,
like you know, you know, you might want to put
down that hamburg that you know double quarter pound there,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
I mean, even when you're ordering it, you need the
one friend of the table that you're like, I will
take a double quarter pounder with cheese, and let's get
the biggest fry. You need the one friend over the side.
It's like that's all they have to do. They make
that one noise.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
And you're like, okay, maybe you get a salad instead.
You know, that's all you need. I get the Keno version.
You can take the bread off of their brother.

Speaker 8 (01:19:42):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Like when the waitress comes up, guys wants to dessert. Yeah,
the waitresses like, do you guys want to want to
me dessert? And you're like, oh, I'll see the menu.
You need one person. That's like when you say that,
you're like, oh no, no, nope, we're good. We don't
need to thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
Right yeah, the the table, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Right right right right right right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
My cousin used to say, we all got if we
all went out to dinner, all the guys on to
dinner that there was no dessert to be had because
Hemingway said, real man needs to drink his dessert. So
he would a boh, he would say, nobody could order dessert.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
You have to have a drink. Lemonchellos all around, that's
your dessert.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Look.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
Alcohol never brings me the joy cake does.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
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(01:21:43):
had ah you wanted to talk about the Celtics for
a second. I need you to lay this thing out
for me.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
Hear me out. I was thinking about this as the
Celtics hoist to the Larry ob and became champions of
the world. We spent, as a collective society, not me particularly,
but many people spent years saying, blow this thing up.
It's not working. Tatum and Brown can't win it together.
One hundred and seven games together, haven't won a championship yet.

(01:22:11):
They just can't get over the hump. And what happened
so often is we forget context of why they didn't
get over the hump at different times. We forget what
makes each run different, and all we look at is say,
this isn't working. And what was amazing to me is
that the Celtics shut off the noise. They didn't worry
about what everybody else thought about it. There are plenty
of teams that after last year's playoff run, would have
fired their coach, no matter what the situation is, and

(01:22:33):
plenty of teams that would have ripped their superstars apart
and said we just have to try something different. And
it really had me thinking about the NFL and the
way we talk about currently the Buffalo Bills to Dallas Cowboys,
some of these teams that had been on the precipice
of greatness that can't seem to get over the hump.
And I find that there is some lesson in this,
like change for the sake of change doesn't make you better.

(01:22:56):
And as I look at what the Celtics figured out,
they figured out, hey, whatever we're gonna get in return,
if we decide we're gonna split Brown and Tatum up
isn't gonna make us the best team and he's the
best thing we can do is just keep trying to
hammer through. And now that entire conversation about what they
can't do and what Tatum wasn't able to accomplish all
gets shut up after one massive championship, and that really

(01:23:18):
as we go into this season, I think needs to
be more of how we start talking about some of
these teams in the NFL, like the fact that you
haven't been break through the Chiefs Like, that doesn't mean
you blow up the bills. It means you just got
to keep hammering until you get through.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
I think you're spot on. I think you continue to tweak, right, Sure,
so you know you're always going to tweak in the NFL.
But I think you're spot on. I think this rash
behavior that we have, like if two or three years
is a failure, blow it up and trade everybody and

(01:23:57):
start over. We're too quick to start over. Listen, I'll
give you an NBA comp like I get it. In Philadelphia,
they've been calling now to trade and be start over.
It's like, why would you trade and be now? Yeah,
you're not going to get equal value. You're not gonna

(01:24:20):
get anywhere close to it. You're gonna get a bunch
of picks, most of which will be worthless, and you're
not gonna be able to get anybody. And you still
have a situation now where you know, if maybe if
the guy stays healthy and you actually put a guy
a couple of guys around him, and you have some depth,
you can win it. Or you could take a run

(01:24:40):
at it, like like why are we in such a
hurry to blow it up.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
You tweak your side dishes, not your main dish. And
to me, like and look, I'm proud of the fact
that when I was on radio at the time and
everybody was saying, you know, blow this thing up for
the Celtics, my answer was, for what you know, I'm
a big believer, as you guys know. And I use
the phrase too much of proof of concept, right, And
so to me, what were you going to get in

(01:25:07):
return for Brown or Tatum that was going to be better?
And I'll use a very specific example in the NFL
that I know everybody will get angry at me for.
But look at Dak. And as much as everybody says
Dak can't win the big one, okay, fine, like he
has not yet broken through the playoffs, I acknowledge that
he's also been an MVP caliber player. So the couple
of things that I think are direct comps. Number one,

(01:25:27):
the failures of the Cowboys before Dak was the quarterback
is not Dak's problem. That's not his issue. It doesn't
matter to him, like he needs to worry about the
right now. He does worry about the right now. So
telling me what the Cowboys having done since the mid
nineties means nothing to this conversation. And then the other
part of it is, Okay, so the Cowboys after this season,
Let's say they have a great year from Dak, but
he loses in the first round of the playoffs again,

(01:25:50):
and then it's like, you know what, we're getting rid
of him. We're going to go draft somebody. If I
told you today that with the tenth pick in next
year's draft you could draft a quarterback that would have
a compara career to Dak Prescott, you'd be doing cartwheels.
So like you'd be trying to replace Dak, hoping that
you can get somebody that can be as good as Dak.
Like we are so obsessed with well it's not working

(01:26:13):
so that means you gotta change it. Or he hasn't
won a Super Bowl so he sucks, and those are
just incorrect narratives. There is a middle ground on all
of this, and I think we just forget that. And
sometimes the best thing you can do is say, Okay,
maybe Dak needs more help, you know, maybe Josh Allen
needs more help. Maybe maybe we got to tweak some
things around him. But if you start just just willy

(01:26:34):
nilly getting rid of your superstars because they haven't been
able to beat Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. That's just
a recipe for disaster. You know why you feel that way,
right because my favorite team sucks?

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Yes, because you also your favorite team went through the
Legionnaire's disease of quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
Do I remember sitting there after the Raiders lost the
Super Bowl and they had lost the Sarragusa game and
the Tuckrull game. They lost all these weird ways. I
remember looking at my buddy and saying, man, I'd rather
not even make the playoffs than keep dealing with this
every year. And then I witnessed double digit years of
double digit losses consecutively, and I think, and as much

(01:27:18):
as people say, well that's a loser's mentality or a
battered fan mentality, now I think what I've learned, and
this is one of my tenants that I believe. I
don't believe that any one player should be expected to
give you a championship. I believe great players should be
expected to give you proximity. Are they putting you in
a range where you have a shot at winning at all?

(01:27:39):
And if you've got a quarterback that can put you
in the chance to win it all year in and
year out. I'm not talking about Trent Dilfer or Rex
Skrozman that just get lucky on a team. I'm talking
about if you've got a consistent quarterback that you know, Hey,
we're winning our division, we're getting in the playoffs every year.
We got a chance. Let's just get let's figure out
how to get a little better. We got a chance.

(01:28:00):
I don't think you messed with that. I think you
continue to just get in the dance and then you
have a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
I love that, I absolutely I love the proximity piece
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
And I listen, I agree with you. If I'm the Cowboys, I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Bolster what's around Dak, like get him a running game, right,
instead of looking to replace Dak. I mean, listen, I mean,
is he the most clutched guy in the world. No,
but that doesn't mean that he can't break through. He's
got ability. He could throw the football a fake with
your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
No, you're right, And I think the thing that fans
get caught up in is the novelty. It's like what
you don't know. You always say you'd rather dance with
the devil that you know than the one that you
don't until you're putting that situation, and the one that
you know continues to disappoint you. So if it's Dak
and you're the Cowboys and you see the shiny new
quarterback to why that's in the draft and you want
a chance to have Oh, maybe we can trade up
and get this guy and he might be better. Well

(01:29:00):
he might be, or he might be a giant bust.
You have no idea because I'd rather take the guy
who I know. I know what Dack's flaws generally are.
How can we coach around that or talent around that,
put the right pieces around him, because we know he's
good enough to make enough place to put us in
a position to be a winning franchise. He's done it
for six years now, or however long it's been. We

(01:29:21):
need to make sure we give him enough help to
get him over the hump. And the problem is even
going back to the Celtics example that we use. So
it's like, well, it's been six years, seven years, been
banging out the door and these guys haven't won yet,
and we have to find we have to blow it
up and find something different. It's like, well, you have
to give these guys time, give the front office time
to put the right pieces around him. These things don't
necessarily happen overnight. It'll happen overnight. If you're the Golden
State Warriors and you sign Kevin Durant and you have

(01:29:43):
a bunch of Hall of famers running around overnight, sure,
or the Heatles get together, Absolutely, that doesn't happen. Championship
teams are not built that way ninety percent of the time.
And so I think fans get jaded by that sort
of thing and say, well, if this team get turned
it around overnight, why can't we And if it's taking
us five years and we have a one yet, clearly
something's wrong. We have to do something different. And that's
not always the case.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
Also, I mean Figgie and I both lived this moment
as a fan. But I'll say as a Raiders fan
that you know, as my age, the best quarterback I've
ever seen in my lifetime for the Raiders is Rich Cannon.

Speaker 5 (01:30:17):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Now, Rich Cannon is not going to the Hall of Fame.
And you know, in today's world, we would look at
that era with John Gruden and Ridge Cannon and say, well,
the way we treated be like, oh, that's failure. They
didn't win a super Bowl. The Raiders for three or
four straight years were one of the best teams in
the NFL week out. I got to pull up the
Power rankings every week and try and argue with the

(01:30:38):
whether or not ESPN should have them number one or
number two, over and over and over again. That was
a really fun era of football to watch. And yeah,
I didn't get a Super Bowl from it as a fan,
and that's a bummer. But we treat now. If you
were in the same situation today as Rich Cannon was,
people be like, get rid of them. He's a bum
they haven't won a super Bowl. It doesn't matter, Like

(01:30:59):
I just context matters to all of this. It's the
same reason I yelled at Steelers fans at one point
that we're sitting there saying, well, I don't know Tomlin
should be getting more super Bowls. Well he's taking on
Belichick and Brady, like, let's have some understanding to what's
going on. And you look at the Celtics run. If
they had blown this thing up, they wouldn't have the
championship they have today. So I just I think that

(01:31:20):
the world of the NFL has a lot more rich
cannons in it than it does Patrick Mahomes. And if
you've got a rich cannon man, you keep running that back,
you keep trying to figure out what to do with that. Yeah,
that makes sense to me.

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
I think there's like a lack of appreciation of just
how difficult it is to be a good team. Like
there's we talk about all the time. The NFL has
built for everybody to be, you know, five hundred for
the most part, and for the teams that get those
extra four to five wins per year, it is so
difficult to get to that point. And a lot of
fans just don't, for whatever reason, realize that. And so
if you're a Steeler fan and you're used to being

(01:31:53):
one of the upper eschline franchises and winning ten eleven
games a year, the couple of you know, year stretch
where you don't do it, it's like what hell, oh
my god, we have to blow this thing up. It's like,
you realize, look at Carolina, look at Arizona. I mean
there's perpetual losers. The Detroit Lions up until this past
year are two years. I mean, you want to be
in those in that position. You just don't a lot

(01:32:14):
of fan bases just don't realize how good they have
it and how difficult it is to win. Look at
the last thirty years of Super Bowl winners. How many
teams have actually won Super Bowls? Now, granted, the Patriots
have won a handful, have won their their share, but
not that many.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
Look at the NBA over the last thirty years, there's
only been a handful of franchises that have actually won championships.
Winning is hard, yeah, and fans just don't don't. I
think a lot of times just don't appreciate how difficult
it actually is to get to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
That's why, Yeah, and that's why I agree with that,
And that's why you can't you know, you can't a coach,
you know, I would lump coaches sometimes in the same thing,
like you know I've been hearing now, well, Sean McDermott's
got to go.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
I don't thinking Sean McDermott rebuilt that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Whole thing, right, and he's gotten into eight as a
perennial you know, contender, Like would why would you move
on from that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
After making this go go on?

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Fits? Well?

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
I so I watched this whole thing as part of
we were getting some insight from coaches, and it was
famous quotes from coaches, and one thing that Shryzhevski and
Nick Saban both said in separate interviews is never worry
about being the best, because if you're worried about being
the best, then you're worried about things that you can't control,

(01:33:33):
variables you can't control. Worry about being your best, and
then trust that if you are your best consistently, it'll
work out. I think that there's some wisdom to that,
because you can be your best and guess what on
that given Sunday, it wasn't enough, Like the ball didn't
roll your way, Like better to be lucky than good.
There's so many different portions of this, like Josh Allen

(01:33:55):
can have the game of his life and the weirdest
ending you'll ever see in thirteen seconds, all of a
sudden he doesn't get that win over the Chiefs, and
all of a sudden that becomes part of the landmark
way we look at it, like, I think the problem
is everybody is like, well, and then you get the
clapback of people that's say, well, it's a participation in society. No,
it isn't like but Let's be real, Ricky, Bobby was

(01:34:18):
not right if your first year last is not actually true,
Like being second, third, or fourth are real things. And
guess what, being second, third or fourth in the NFL
is a hell of a lot better than being thirtyeth
thirty one or thirty second. I know because I watch
my team consistently finish in that thirty thirty one thirty
two era. I just I think that what the Bills
have done beautifully with Josh Allen to this point is

(01:34:40):
they've never listened to the noise. I think the Celtics
did the same thing. They didn't listen to the noise.
It got Boston the championship. I think more franchises should
just sit back and say, hey, I'm not I'm not
worried about whether or not we won the Super Bowl.
I'm worried about did we do the absolute best with
everything we have to make sure that we maximized every player,
every coach, every down, every play over the course of

(01:35:01):
the season. Worry about that stuff because you can't control
whether or not that actually wins you a Super Bowl.

Speaker 8 (01:35:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Here's the other truth too, even from the fan perspective, right,
and it goes without saying that you want to win it,
that you want to win it all, and you want
to experience the parade. That's the uh, the obvious. But
what's the next best thing. The next best thing is
the longest run possible. We all want the entertainment value

(01:35:32):
of the season. So if you're the Edmonton Oilers and
you go to Florida and you lose Game seven, yeah
you're disappointed if you're an admitton fan, but you're also going,
oh my god, that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Was a spectacular run.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
We could have got swept, and we wound up pushing
it with Game seven and we got to the Stanley
Cup Final, and yeah, you want to hoist the cup.
And I'm broken hearted for a week, but then you
turn around and you go, man, that was a lot
of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
I was a blast.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
It was every night, every other night looking forward to
a game, like there's a rhythm of a run, and
whether it's the NFL and you know, you're in the
know February and you get to a super Bowl, you
get to a championship game.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
I mean, it's been a joyful season.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
Yeah, and this is why. And I don't want to
get too much off topic here, but this happens, especially
in the NFL, when quarterbacks specifically don't win championships and
we knock them down or run and say they weren't
that great. Like would Dan Marino be perceived differently had
he won one championship? The sad thing is yes, Like
I can argue right now that he's still he's probably
top three of the quarterbacks of all time. But because

(01:36:42):
he doesn't have a ring, people even in our industry
will shout me down saying like, well, you never won, Like, well,
was he his fault? He was doing for five thousand
yards in an era where you can beat the hell
out of receivers left and right. I mean, he did
everything he could and he had the Dolphins and contention
for most of his career.

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
Like, imagine if we did the same thing in music. Yeah,
think about the fact that you know some of the
most iconic songs of all times sweet Home Alabama, for example,
that everybody knows it was not a number one I
think Sweet Home Alabama peaked at number thirteen on the charts,
so it didn't go number one. So does that mean
that like all the guys in that band suck? Like
is that the way that works? Like if your song

(01:37:18):
didn't go number one, then the drummer must suck. Like
there's so many variables, and we accept variables and everything,
but particular, but particularly the major sports. And when I
say the major really we only have this championship or
you suck and your entire career was worthless. Mentality, when
it comes to the NFL and the NBA, we are
far more forgiving in the other sports than we are

(01:37:38):
in those two.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
And it's just it's it's I mean baseball.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
I mean, I don't think it gets held against guys
as much in baseball because there's a level of understanding
that it's an individual sport wrapped into a team sport.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
Same like we were talking about Edmonton with the Stanley
Cup final, like hockey hockey nuts get it, Like hey man,
winning the Cup is a really rare thing. I think
you're allowed to have. Obviously, you're allowed to have the
most joy in the world. I will never forget last
year being at the parade in tears in Vegas because
I never thought that my city that I grew up
and would even have professional sports. Nonetheless a champion and

(01:38:15):
it meant so much. Taking nothing away from the aces
by the way, it meant so much to me. I
will never forget that. That doesn't mean that this year
wasn't also a hell of a run. Like I just
think that it's all or nothing and it should be,
Oh my god, this is greatest, but this is still
pretty stinking awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
You don't figure you brought up Dan Marino and I'm
not going to tell you I know Dan intimately, but
I've been around him quite a bit and I feel
sorry for him. And this is why I and again
this is just me, just my outward opinion. Whoever it is.

(01:38:54):
I don't think he's happy talking about football or his career,
and like he never strikes me as being happy talking
about because and this is my just a guess, is
that people just asking the same freaking.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Question over and over. Oh yeah, what's it feel like
to me?

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
I have an accomplished career and never win and you know,
you never wore this, you never wear that when you
know it's funny because I know, and he'll joke about it.
He's like, man, if I play with these roles and
these receivers today, you know I drove you know whatever, right,
Like I drove sixty touchdown passes and you know, whatever

(01:39:40):
you know, and he would like because he had just
a spectacular arm, but like he had the quickest release
and he was the most accurate quarterback that you know,
you go back and look, it's ridiculous, right, But I
think I feel bad because I don't think he gets
the law his greatness. He's every bit of Brady, Like

(01:40:03):
he's a much better raw talent Brady well without question right,
like you know, and yet he never had that ability,
Like I'm sure it must haunt him to go sh man,
how come I wander you couldn't give me like played
today with Belichick and his system like that, I carved

(01:40:24):
it up.

Speaker 5 (01:40:25):
Yeah, I mean, how jacked does it be?

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Real? And not talking about the guy at this point,
but like we sit here and say, well, Aaron Rodgers
only got one? What are we doing? Like, what are
we doing? Well? If he could get two, that would
really cement to his legacy. Oh my god, Like he
got a Super Bowl. I just it's it's wild to me,
and it makes it it's such a toxic way to watch,

(01:40:53):
it's a toxic way to consume. Like, look, I'll be honest,
my team has stunk for most of my life, so
I get it. I'm the rarity in this, but I
look at it. I'm like, if you tell me that
year in and year out, my beloved Raiders can win
ten games and just be in the hunt, man, I'm
in for that. I'm I'm in for Sundays that are
meaningful all the way into December and January, where you
feel like, man, maybe your team can do the impossible,

(01:41:14):
and like nobody even gets any stinking enjoyment out of
it anymore. It's just it's wild. What's the point?

Speaker 5 (01:41:21):
Yeah? And you know, and going and going back to
the football the baseball comparison. It's like Dan Marino has
to wear that and get asked questions about that all
the time, and quarterbacks fair or not, always show to
the burden of whether or not their teams win or not.
You just don't get that. Major League baseball, Ernie Banks
was a phenomenal player, never made the playoffs once. If
people will interview him, it's like, wow, your teams aren't

(01:41:42):
very good, but man, you shure we're phenomenal. It's just
a different thought. It's a different like.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
I like, there's talk in my city about Bryce Harper
because they love Bryce. Right, It's like, oh, you gotta
win one, Bryce, and it's like, what.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
More do you want to do?

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Bro, Like, well, it's my port exactly like I went
on the same rail. I went on the rant talking
about like dude, like what do you want? He's the
most clutch player ever. If he winds up not winning
in Philadelphia, it's not because of him, it's just because
sometimes baseball can be cruel. Like last year, you're up

(01:42:23):
three to two against Arizona coming back home.

Speaker 5 (01:42:26):
Yeah, where you don't you never lose.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
And you lose too, you lose twice, right, Like I
don't know what to do. You know, that's just kind
of how it goes. Sometimes we don't. We also don't
throw in bad luck. Sometimes guys don't win. It's just
bad luck. Like you know that's real. Bad lock luck
is real.

Speaker 5 (01:42:49):
Yeah, John Casey kicking the ball out of bounds. It's
gonna gets the pay in the super Bowl, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
I mean half happens, Yeah, Jigs. Where the fella is
hanging right here? Fox Sports Radio, fellas hanging on a
Fox Sports Saturday, Jason Fitzkevin figures, I'm Anthony Gargano.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
Was we hang out with you guys all right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
I'll get to some NBA stuff, some NBA free agency.
We'll get into that a little bit as well. But
I got the uh, the five questions for you, all right,
So let me start off and we have to go
and answer these. This one first, give me the players
this is off of Willie Mays that you wish you

(01:43:39):
had saw. So give me two players that you wish
you had saw play in their prime.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
I'll start with you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
Well, Willie is one of them, I think for all
of us.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
But I'm gonna take Willy off the equation because.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
Oh you're taking Okay, okay, I'll start with I'm gonna
take Baber because you know, I have it in my
mind that he was just wrecked half the time when
he was playing, and I just think it would have
been fun to watch that, see somebody just come up casually,
look like he's, you know, not gonna be able to
do anything, and then just absolutely crush the ball. So
I'll give I would give that, and then I think

(01:44:19):
Jackie Robinson would be the other. Just to see that
moment and to see you know how historically significant that
would be. That would be my my my tooth. That
stand out to.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Me very cool, very cool, Figie.

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
I hate to double up, but Jackie Robinson was at
the top of my list to excel the way that
he did in the midst of everything that he was
experiencing at the time as well, just the mental aspect
of it is. I mean that that's just next level toughness,
all right?

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Could I could I throw another name on that vein
at you, Yeah, and experiencing I mean, in some ways
he had it on par as Jackie Robinson, and that's
Hank Aaron.

Speaker 5 (01:45:04):
Absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
I mean, so I had this great conversation with Charlie.
I've talked you about that. I had Charlie Manuel in
for a couple hours and we were, you know, just
kind of going through everything, and He's like he was Anthony.
You had no idea what kind of hitter that Hank
Aaron was, Harry, because he was a ridiculous. Not only

(01:45:27):
did he have power, but he had you know, he
had just he was just an amazing hitter. Now imagine
that you were about to break Babe Ruth's record, all right,
as a black man in the United States. All right,

(01:45:48):
Babe Ruth, who became this lovable caricature right of you know,
in an Americana and this whole thing, and it's the
seventies and you're coming off of what's going on in
this country and you're about to break that record and.

Speaker 5 (01:46:05):
You're getting death threats left and right leading up to
that moment about it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Oh my god, I mean imagine having to deal with
that sort of pressure every night, Like I I like
that is, Like, that's something like that story is one
of the all time amazing stories. Like we we don't
hear enough of, Like we don't celebrate Henry Aron, Like

(01:46:33):
we should.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
Think about to how much that transcended all sports And
certainly I, you know, I'm the first to as a
middle aged white dude, I can't speak to it, but
you have to feel like for an entire community, it
felt like this was a breakthrough moment. Another breakthrough moment
where I don't care what the sport is you play,
but you can look at it and say, hey, if
that can happen, what else can happen?

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
And sometimes we forget that that because of the way
honored society isn't because we don't take the historical context
away other societies do, like we talked about earlier, Sometimes
we forget it's not that long ago that all of
this was was real, you know, So it's it's just
such an interesting to think about, like, you know what
our fathers lived through watching all of this and how

(01:47:18):
different that experience was. It's not that long ago.

Speaker 8 (01:47:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Yeah, yeah, well put who is your who's your next guy?

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Fig?

Speaker 5 (01:47:28):
Well this is a guy you did see play, and
unfortunately I wasn't able to see him play in his prime.
But I would say Doctor J. I would love to
see Doctor J in his prime. I mean, you see
the highlights are I don't think due justice to the
amazing player that he was back in his day in Philadelphia,
and he was someone I would love to have seen
at the height of his game.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
So it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
As great as the Doctor was for the Sixers, apparently
now I was because I caught him like at the
the end, right, yeah, middle, like the middle, like he's thirty, right,
I guess, you know, like whatever, you know, he was more.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
Of the statesman.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
But in this doc in the seventies, which kind of
predates me a little bit, was just like that. People
say that he was unbelievable because he was, you know,
scoring thirty a game and grabbing you know, thirteen rebounds
and blocking shots and flying through the air and there

(01:48:29):
was dunks. I mean, yeah, yeah, I I you know,
I I He was my favorite player growing up like that,
really yeah, you know, Julie, Like my favorite players were
Julius Irving and uh And and Dan Marino and Mike Schmidt,
like they were my guys like as a kid. And

(01:48:50):
Doc was like was the greatest. He walked on air
like he made against the Lakers. I'll still I'll swear
this is the greatest move I've ever seen. Where he
goes up. He's on the right side of the basket, right,
he goes up, ducks Now it feels like he's in

(01:49:10):
the air for twenty seconds. He's up, he ducks under
the basket and then comes in with a reverse on
the left side, on the other side of the basket.

Speaker 5 (01:49:22):
It's pretty unreal.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
I mean, I'm sure you guys have seen that absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:49:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, rolls the ball like a little candalo
for something. Yes, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
And the way he walked, like you know what's funny,
Like Jordan was the most explosive jumper, Like you know,
Dominique was like this, but Jordan Jordan just could you know,
explode into the air, almost shooting up like a rocket right.
Whereas Julius Irving was someone who walked on air.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
It was like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Imagine walking on water. Walking on air is what he did.
And there was a glide to him. It was, uh,
he was like majestic.

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
Yeah, you know, looks seem like it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
Yeah. I loved him.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
It's funny because I hadn't thought all sports. I thought
it was just staying baseball. But it is funny as
I go through this exercise in my head, there are
very few NFL players. As much as we love football
on this show, there are very few NFL players from
the sixties or seventies that I'm looking at saying, oh God,
I would give anything to go back to watch that
guy play, you know, like it's it's And some of

(01:50:37):
the players that do come to mind, I was I
saw play as a little kid, like I saw Walter
Payton as a little kid, and Barry Sanders and Marcus
Allen and guys like that that would have stood out
to me. But it is interesting to me that a
sport that we're all very passionate about, I would argue
many of the players today are just so much more
impressive to watch than the players were in that era
because the game has changed so much. You know what's

(01:50:57):
fascinating myself going.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Back it is a greatnversation. So let me throw this atu,
because by and large, I think you're right, except there's
a couple exceptions that I wish I could have watched
Jim Brown. I wish I could have watched Jim Brown
and even oj you know, I mean like that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
Right, Like I mean, my god, Like you rush for
two thousand yards on that team?

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Like what's what a season? Right in an error where
everybody's playing to run. It's not like you're not. You know,
you're today right where everybody's you know, if you you
can break off big runs. And the other one is,
I have to be honest with you, I would love

(01:51:47):
to go back and watch like the nineteen seventy seven
Raiders play and watch Jack Tatum and uh Stork and
uh Otis is Drunk and and Atkinson and you know
all those all those incredible Tatum like all those amazing

(01:52:12):
watching that defense.

Speaker 4 (01:52:14):
Steelers versus Raiders where they're like killing each other on
the field.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Yeah, like what we haven't seen, Like that's something that
went away. That plus the brutal style of defense. Yeah, right,
Like just that's funny.

Speaker 5 (01:52:30):
I would have say, like the rams of the sixties
and seventies with Deacon Jones and Merlin Olsen and those
guys are especially Deacon the head slap as ferocious as
he was to see him play.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
Yeah, it's funny because when we think of the seventies
sixties that the older eras of players we want to
go back and watch, most of them would be defensive players.
And that's because that portion of the game is taken out.
Like I must remind all of you young children listening
that Madden used to open with the sequence the video
game of just violent, crushing hits and that was the

(01:53:02):
best part, Like, oh yeah, you wait to watch the
open I Madden, Like you couldn't wait to see what
awesome hits were at the beginning of it. And now
it's like, well, we don't want to celebrate that violence anymore. Concussions.
So it's funny that that maybe we longed for that
from that era because it's just not a part of
the game in the same way anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
I mean, you know, he there was, I mean, it
was what was the one. Oh oh, you guys know
where ESPN would do it. Jacked up, Une God, jacked
up like that was like I love jacked up like
you know, we did.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
We celebrated all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
He got put that we talk about getting put to
sleep and all the other stuff. Man, crazy crazy, All right,
Uh well, let's get to take quick TL. We'll come
right back where the fella is hanging right here Fox
Sports Radio Fellas from the tie iraq dot com studios.
We're now knee deep in this discussion of players off

(01:54:07):
of Willie Mays that we wish we had seen. I
should have clarified any sport like one of the one
of the guys that came right to mind for me
was Wilt Chamberlain. The obvious. I mean, he just was
that incredible, right, and that good and that amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
Athlete, a dominant multi sport athlete, chan boxer, volleyball player.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Like you just you know, I mean, I can only
imagine when he was you know what he was like
like you know, and then talking to Mark, Mark brings
up something great, which is Ali, Like imagine, like that's a.

Speaker 5 (01:54:53):
Great one, right, like.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
That, I would love to see Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
And it's probably it's sad, like I didn't really understand
it because or like I see Ali, I'm the elder
statesman of our trio, and I get I get I
get Ali at the end, and then you know, it
was sad, right because like he he started to to
uh to you know, fall ill, and all those punches

(01:55:21):
took its toll and he was hanging on. You know,
I never got to really truly see the greatness of Ali,
like I just remember seeing the videos, but to can
imagine living through that and and seeing his dominance and
the big stage.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
I was watching.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
American Gangster and you know, they're like there's a scene
where they're at the Ali Fraser fight and they're like
it's a who's who all And they went to an
actual newscast and you know where they're as showing all
the people, uh you know from all the entertainers and uh,
you know, all the other world figures like like imagine

(01:56:03):
the rich tapestry that you know, like that kind of
fight brought out.

Speaker 4 (01:56:09):
It makes me feel for younger people right now that
never saw Tyson in this problem because that was for
me my childhood, Like you would make what they always
called Tyson friends like you didn't really care about that kid,
but they were getting the pay per view, so you
wanted to be friends with That.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Was real.

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
I can't imagine. I can't imagine, you know, not growing
up around that. I also can't imagine what Muhammad Ali
was like because that was such a different Tyson was
almost like a circus show, right. You just wanted to
see how fast he could knock somebody out. Muhammad Ali,
you would have been watching, you know, an artist in
the ring like that. Yeah, that's a that's a great call.

Speaker 5 (01:56:46):
And even before him, he doesn't get a lot of fanfare,
but even way before that was a boxer named Jack
Johnson was a first black heavyweight champion and just tell
about you people dealing with racism and so many different things.
I mean, this was at a time you know he
was he was boxing in matches where people were throwing
stuff at him, calling him every name in the book,

(01:57:06):
and just dominated each and every solitary fight that he
was in. It was absolutely incredible. So Jack Johnson would
have been someone just similar to the Jackie Robinson treatment
that he got. It was ten times worse, I hear
from when it came to Jack Johnson. But was just
as dominant.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
You know that's especially back then too, where you know
boxing was boxer always had a little dirtiness to it, right,
but like imagine it was you know, I heard stories
I was writing this piece about organized crime and in

(01:57:45):
that in the seventies, right in the late sixties, and
like there's no now, Like I talked to somebody, these
old Tiber guys that were involved, they had these I
mean they controlled the fight game. So now, well, now
you imagine like a Jack Johnson come onto the scene.

Speaker 5 (01:58:03):
And like the early nineteen hundreds, right, like god fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
Like when we think about organized crime, it was the
whole country was one big crime family.

Speaker 3 (01:58:15):
Like you know, that's really what it was. Like, you know,
it was lawlessness.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
Now here's Jack Johnson. I mean that's a fact. He's
a fascinating figure in history.

Speaker 5 (01:58:25):
Yeah, they're trying to pay him to take dives and
he said no, and they threatened to kill him, and
he was like bring it. He was built different.

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
I just can't imagine it being a boxer being an
athlete in that era, talking about all of these distractions
and now like they get society. Now, you know, you
got a quarterback that's going into the darkness for three
days to decide if he still wants to play football.

Speaker 3 (01:58:47):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:58:48):
It is amazing how much more those guys had to
deal with while also like, at the end of the day,
they just wanted to they just wanted to play the
sport they love. It's so so simple and was so
difficult for them.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
Very well set, man, very very well set. It's true
going into the darkness.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
Guys, I don't know if I want my twenty million
next year with thirty million next year, I'm want to
go to the darkness for a few days and figure
it out. Like I'm just imagining inventing a time machine,
putting Aaron Rodgers in and having him look at some
of these athletes and be like, well, you know, you
think you've got it rough. I had to go into
the darkness for three days. So like you chose to

(01:59:28):
go into a pit.

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
Okay, okay, you chose to go into a pit.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
That's the greatest man, is the true. It's true.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
You're right man, It's bizarre. People don't have any concept
of that.

Speaker 5 (01:59:46):
Well, guys back then to a certain degree also played
for the love of the sport, because it sure wasn't
for the money.

Speaker 3 (01:59:51):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:59:52):
Like we mentioned, these guys had full time jobs in
the off season.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
It was different. I mean it was different. Like you
think about, you know, that sort of thing. How crazy
the whole thing was. I mean, it's pretty wild, man,
it really is. All Right, we got it, I got
We got through one question. Of course, that's how it goes.
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Speaker 3 (02:00:53):
All right, We've been all over the place this morning.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
Uh you know, somehow found a way to weave in
everything from Willie May's to the Edmonton oilers to the
fashion sense of tucking in the sneakers, your sweats and
the jeans and the sneakers.

Speaker 3 (02:01:15):
I mean, we were everywhere today, guys.

Speaker 2 (02:01:19):
I'm curious and I loved your take, Fitzie about really
appreciating goodness, like really good and not blowing up teams
prematurely like Dak Prescott was a perfect example using the
Boston Celtics who stayed the course and resisted the temptation

(02:01:43):
to break up Brown and Tatum is a great lesson
in all of sports, and especially when you think about
you know what did they do? They just added They
said a right, you know what, We're not gonna We're
not gonna move away from these two. We're gonna add
to them. We're gonna tweak it, We're gonna figure it out.

(02:02:04):
We'll keep at it until we get it right. And
I do I think that is a tremendous lesson when
it comes to team building.

Speaker 3 (02:02:14):
Now, the one thing I wanted to bring up to you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
Is we do you is the coach the same way
as the quarterback. You brought up Aaron Rodgers and you're like, oh,
Aroon Roys only got one Super Bowl and you're like,
you're spot on that he should have at least had two.
After they won the first time he winds up, think

(02:02:41):
about this, they go fifteen to one and they lose
in the first round to the Giants. Now that was
they were asleep. I remember watching. I watched the game.
In fact, Eli Manning had a hell Mary But before
halftime they came in not ready to play. Was that coaching?
Was that McCarthy, because I don't think it was Rogers?

(02:03:05):
But is the coach in the quarterback equal when it
comes to stay in the course.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
Well, I think it's easier to decide to change a coach.
But I do think what's interesting is what you just
said about coming out not motivated, right, Like, what was
the argument we had on the Cowboys last year in
the playoffs? They came out flat? How do they come
out flat in the playoff game? That's coaching? To me,
I understand part of that. Some will say is leadership
in the locker room. That's fine, But to me, that's

(02:03:32):
really coaching. You know, getting everybody right and ready for
it is falls on their shoulders. Coaches are so much
easier to replace than players. I don't hate the concept
of changing coaches sometimes to get a new voice in
the room. But also I would argue, again as a
fan of a team that has had so many coaches,
did that even gets dangerous? So no, I do think

(02:03:53):
that there's something too sticking to it and working through it,
Like if you've got your guy and you've had success,
like at this point, you don't suddenly become bad at
your job. And I don't believe that there are a
lot of coaches that simply can't get over the hump.
I think there are some coaches that are better at
bye weeks, and some coaches that are better with a
little extra time. There are some coaches that are better.

(02:04:15):
But just because there's a coach that's better, doesn't mean
that you have a coach of your favorite team that sucks.
Like that's the middle ground that's lost.

Speaker 3 (02:04:24):
Yeah, that's good, FIGI what do you think of that?

Speaker 4 (02:04:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:04:27):
And I think there are certain parallels you can draw,
Like I use McCarthy as an example, because there is
a couple of occasions in Green Bay where you say
that team was unprepared or there's no way they should
have lost that game, and that carries over. It's at
certain points in time with the Dallas Cowboys too, where
you say, well, how did they come out flat in
that game last year? It gets an inexperienced green Bay
team and get run off of their own field, like
that doesn't make a lot of sense. I can use

(02:04:48):
Doc Rivers as an example, just tactical issues oftentimes, as
there are the reasons for his team's downfalls in the postseason.
So there's something that yeah, and look and Clipper fans
you know it too. So things just kind of repeat
themselves where you say, like, you know what, we can
change the roster, we can change the players, bring this
guy in and out. Oftentimes you notice certain patterns and say, yeah,

(02:05:11):
this coach can only get you to a certain point
until it's time to end up making a change. Now
if it's different reasons and we talk about you know,
you mentioned nuance fits and talking about the Celtics, and
you can go to each individual season these last six
years and talk about why they didn't win, and it's
probably a different reason every single solitary year. There are
some situations with certain coaches where you can say, well,

(02:05:31):
you know what, the same thing has happened three of
the last five seasons, and the script has not necessarily
been exactly the same, but it's been pretty pretty close
to the same situation every single time. The reason why
we lost is we weren't prepared. At least a reason
why we lost, is we came out flat, the same
thing every single solitary time. I think it's easier to
kind of draw that parallel to a coach rather than

(02:05:53):
a quarterback whose sometimes can play well, sometimes they may
not and they might lose a game. I thought he
used this example last week talking about Peyton Manning. They
won a super Bowl, the Indianapolis Colts stand and he
had one of the worst postseason runs from a statistical
standpoint that he ever had, Whereas they've had previous playoff
situations where he played well and they lost and it
wasn't necessarily his fault. So I think it's sort of
easier to put it on a coach, especially when you

(02:06:15):
talk about whether or not a team is prepared or
whether or not they lose games that they should win,
and it's basically just based on whether or not the
team was flat, or whether they were prepared, or whether
they got out schemed. That all falls on coaching. So
I do think I put more of the burden on
coaching than on players in cer certain situations.

Speaker 3 (02:06:32):
Yeah, I feel you on that, because.

Speaker 2 (02:06:37):
When Fitzy brought up Rogers as an example of guys
that we you know right away we don't say anything,
you know, you know type of thing.

Speaker 5 (02:06:51):
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (02:06:51):
I look at coaching.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
And I go, you know how vital, how vital it is,
you know how vital.

Speaker 3 (02:07:01):
And there are It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:07:05):
We were talking about JJ Reddick a lot today and
with the Lakers have did and we talked about in
relation with Hurley, like Danny Hurley is a great coach,
Like there's certain coaches that they're so rare. I almost
think my quest to build obviously the players, the player,

(02:07:29):
but you need that coach.

Speaker 3 (02:07:32):
That coach is special. Man.

Speaker 4 (02:07:35):
I feel you and I think you're right. It's hard
to find that coach. But we all know it's easier
to place replace one than it is to replace fifty three.
So if I'm going to go in a direction, it's
going to be coach. But I do think, and I've
used this with you a lot, but I'll go back
to my eighties wrestling roots, like sometimes you just got
a great tag team. I just think coaching quarterback together

(02:07:59):
on the same page is an unbeatable tandem. If you've
got a really good coach and a really good quarterback
and they get each other and they're just on the
same page of the identity of who they are and
how they want the football team to look. Again, we
mentioned Rich Cannon earlier as a Raiders fan. Well, part
of the reason that worked is because that was John
Gruden and Rich Cannon together, Like those two personalities were

(02:08:19):
one and the same. Even if it was difficult with
each other, they gave the same vision and personality of
a team. And I do believe that there's some level
of greatness that comes from having Andy Reid and Patrick
Mahomes be so close and capable of really executing the
same vision at the same time. So I don't want

(02:08:40):
to undervalue coaches because I think if you've got the
great coach with the right quarterback, it can be absolutely epic.
I do agree with that.

Speaker 5 (02:08:46):
Yeah, and I agree with that when it comes to football,
and when it comes to basketball. First of all, we
know that talent more often than not wins out regardless
of the coach is. But I do think infrastructure more
than anything in basketball matters. Like you know, Brad Stevens.
We joked last week, you know, Bob Meyer, Sam, Brad
Stevens should be the MVP of the NBA Finals. And
this is no disrespect to Joe Mizzula. But I mean,
if I'm a ducka Udoka is still the head coach,

(02:09:07):
or if somebody else is still a head coach, do
we have doubt that the Boston Celtics could still win
a championship? And I think that's because of what Brad
Stevens has put together out there. Now, that's not to
take any credit away from Missoula or any head coach,
but I do think the Oklahoma City Thunder Mike Diagno
has done a great job. But Sam Presty's the one
that put that that roster together and found all the

(02:09:28):
pieces that fit. I do think, at least when it
comes to the NBA, I think having a strong front
office person and knowing how to put the right pieces
together is more important at times, even though more so
than the head coach.

Speaker 4 (02:09:40):
Didn't the Bucks tell you that when they just basically,
I mean they chucked Bud out the door, right Budenholzer
was just like, Nope, we're good, we're gone. He's gone.
And the rest of the league didn't turn on and say,
oh my god, coach Buds up available not what you
know what I mean? Like, So it's funny because in
the NFL, a Super Bowl winning head coach gets let go.
You think that there'd be some you know, there'd be

(02:10:02):
some level of hot hot Java opportunity, but there wasn't
for Bud Like it took a second.

Speaker 2 (02:10:09):
Yeah, yeah, here's the one thing though, look at a
guy like Spolstra and and by in pat Riley, right.

Speaker 5 (02:10:19):
Had an extension of pat Riley. Not to take credit
away from him, but yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (02:10:22):
But you know, listen, that's part of the tree.

Speaker 2 (02:10:24):
You want to talk about it, but well you have Spolstra,
like they're not the greatest talented team everything.

Speaker 3 (02:10:32):
He's such an elite coach.

Speaker 2 (02:10:34):
You're in it like all the time, right, right, And
I'm I just stated it all the time, you know,
I like, I'm with you, Like I think with the
NBA you can have a revolving door coaches, but I
think there are certain coaches that are so elite, that
are so good, Like I truly believe Dami Hurley is
that guy. Like I I think he's the best young

(02:10:57):
coach out there by far, and I think he's got
the chance to be one of the all time epic coaches.
And if I were the Lakers, I would have I
would have just backed up the truck for him.

Speaker 5 (02:11:09):
I get you, and I do there are certain coaches,
especially having to work in certain environments, that get the
most out of their players. As false as that, I think,
despite the fact that he runs his players into the
ground to a certain degree, I think Tibbs is that
uh getting getting a lot out of not having a
lot at times with some of the teams that he's
coached throughout his years. So yeah, I'm not saying that
coaching is not important. So I don't want to necessarily

(02:11:31):
you know, no, No.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
It's just a great it's a great it's a great
debate as opposed to, you know, the coach to play
like what FITZI said, to take it to the next level, Like,
so you know, do you keep coaching quarterback together no
matter what.

Speaker 3 (02:11:53):
Right or do you keep like you know what, what
do you tweak?

Speaker 2 (02:11:57):
Like if you're if you're looking, you know what, what
are you making sure you're keeping? So Figgy says Brown Tatum.
So there are two players, right, So the coach didn't
really come into the equation.

Speaker 3 (02:12:07):
And you've made a great point.

Speaker 2 (02:12:08):
Figgy about that, Like if you can look at it
and go missoia, it was good. But it doesn't matter
who's coaching that team, they're gonna win as long as
during halfway competent. So if you're the Cowboys, fifty's point is,
don't run away from Zach from Dak, Right, where's McCarthy

(02:12:29):
in this?

Speaker 5 (02:12:32):
Well, to Fitz's point, like McCarthy's easier to replace number one.
And I think that there's a burden of evidence going
back to even his Green Bay days to say well,
I mean there's a track record of his team's falling
flat in the biggest moments. Now, grant, he won the
Super Bowl, you give him that, but we're getting further
and further removed from that. And there are too many

(02:12:53):
times you mentioned the fifteen and one year in Green Bay.
I think he had a couple of thirteen and threes
in there. And you mentioned Aaron Rodgers, like I actually won.
I think it was during the pandemic. Went back and
because none of us had anything to do and Aaron
Rodgers got so much incoming, there was a debate about
how great of a quarterback he is or isn't. I
went back and watched all the playoff games that he played,
and by my tally, there was two playoff games that

(02:13:13):
I can say Aaron Rodgers didn't play well enough for
them to win, and all the playoff losses that Green
Bay had, Aaron Rodgers played well enough for them to win,
and it was another reason as to why they didn't.
But this is where context gets lost. Aaron Rodgers didn't win.
Aaron Rodgers only won one Super Bowl and he gets
saddled with that and for whatever reason. Now, Mike McCarthy
had to pay for it eventually with his job in
Green Bay. But he resurfaced right away with the Dallas Cowboys,

(02:13:36):
and a lot of the same flaws that were adamant
in Green Bay show up again with the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (02:13:44):
So the question, too is like what's holding you back?

Speaker 3 (02:13:47):
Now?

Speaker 4 (02:13:47):
You gotta be able to be painfully honest in that answer.
Like if you're the Celtics, you looked at it and said,
what's holding us back? I don't think you necessarily, even
if you believe that what was holding you back was
that Tatum wasn't quite big enough in big games. Well,
you're not getting rid of somebody of his caliber for that.
You're trying to figure out a way to work through it.
How do we make him better if you're the Cowboys
and you say, well, what's holding us back? Last year?

(02:14:09):
Certainly was coming out flat in a playoff game, and
Dak was part of that. But the entire team came
out flat. So you know, I'm not going to hold
back to a different standard than you know, Parsons, for example,
the entire team came out flat. If the entire team
comes out flat, then I'm gonna look at it and say, well,
it's probably the coaching staff that held us back a
little bit because they weren't able to motivate.

Speaker 3 (02:14:29):
But so real quick, let me just interject one thing.

Speaker 2 (02:14:32):
We'll go back two years ago against San Francisco when
the Cowboys should have won on the road. If Dak
plays any kind of quarterback, they win the game.

Speaker 3 (02:14:43):
And he came up short, mean.

Speaker 4 (02:14:46):
Badly, And in that situation, you look at and say,
in my mind, all right, what's holding us back? Dak
played poorly? How do we make that better? Then that's
why they fire the offensive coordinator and they do all that,
you know, and so they turn around they fired Kellen
Moore and McCarthy takes more of a hand in it. Well,
then they have a big regular season and you know
Dak is an MVP candidate and that doesn't happen in

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the playoffs, and then you look at it and say, well,
what's holding us back? Last year, this past playoff? It
was motivation, But frankly I would keep running it. Like, look,
it's hard to say how it's all going to go down.
I'm just saying, if the Cowboys win thirteen games this
year and they lose in the second round of the playoffs,
they lose in the first round of the playoffs, weird,
Hail Mary, they lose in the first round of the playoffs,

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I'm bringing them both back, Like I have to have
some reason to believe that I'm making a change that
actually like, Okay, I know I'm making this change because
it's going to get more out of this one player.
And if it's all just well it might this isn't working,
so I need something that does. That just feels really
willy nilly to me.

Speaker 5 (02:15:45):
Yeah, And see that's the thing. The people that want
to make a change just for the sake of making well,
it's not working. Let's throw something against the wall and
see if it were no. If you're Dallas and you
wanted to make a change, if you're going to fire McCarthy,
who's been good. I know I've kind of ripped him
a little bit in quid, but he's been a good
head coach. He's just had some shortcomings. If you're going
after Jim Harball, okay, get rid of them. If you're

(02:16:07):
going big game hunting at that point in time, I
certainly understand it. But if you're going to fire Mike
McCarthy and hire some hotshot assistant that's never been a
head coach before, well, this goes back to the devil
that you know than the one that you don't. This
the hotshot assistant could end up being the next Sean McVay,
or it can end up flaming out and being a
terrible head coach and just be basically a play caller.
Those are the things that you have to gauge. So, yes,

(02:16:29):
that's what you fit.

Speaker 4 (02:16:30):
That's why I figure, when can people get saying one
hundred and seven playoff games for Brown and Tatum it's
just not working. Well, that's not enough context, right, because
every one of those playoffs runs didn't end the same way.
They weren't against the same type of opponents. There wasn't
one common thread of a problem. It was like little
things that's stacked up death by a thousand cuts, right,

(02:16:51):
So that's why I think it's so important to have
the context portion of it.

Speaker 2 (02:16:55):
Yeah, I love the conversation because it goes to the
hard a team building, right and kind of where you
need to be in relation to the stars via the
coach and really what's around them.

Speaker 4 (02:17:12):
It's also just it's just real quick. I'll say this too.
The other portion of the cycle is now I need
this owner that was part of the I don't care
what team we're talking about. The owner's part of the
hiring process. Usually I need this owner that made all
the wrong decisions to now make all the right ones.
That's the other part of it. So you want to

(02:17:33):
make change, but the ultimately the final person making the
call was the same person that made all these other calls.
So this is going to work out different. Like, if
all you ever do is rate and date crazy girls,
guess what, You're probably going to keep dating crazy girls.
If all you ever do is hire the wrong person,
you're probably going to hire the wrong person.

Speaker 5 (02:17:49):
Yeah, you're not going to have a moment of enlightenment crazy.
It almost never happens. Jerry had it briefly when he
hied parcels, and shockingly it's things turned around after a
decade of futility. You know, but any want to ride
back to his old ways.

Speaker 4 (02:18:05):
We've all got a friend that only dates crazy girls,
and maybe one day they calm down, but it's rarely
because they suddenly started dating somebody that wasn't crazy, Like
they just dated somebody that was crazy and they broke through.
But like, look crazy that you gotta break the breakthrough sometimes.
But now nobody ever stops dating crazy And these owners
that hire terrible people are not going to stop hiring
terrible people.

Speaker 2 (02:18:26):
Yeah, yeah, you know what, and that and that is
such a lesson, right, that is such a lesson. And
it goes back to you know, it's interesting, like think
about Atlanta for a second and the Falcons and they
Belichick is sitting there and they passed him off. Now

(02:18:50):
time will tell whether or not that was smart or not.
And as Belichick runs around when.

Speaker 5 (02:18:56):
It's with this girl, that's a whole nother story. Can
be another radio show.

Speaker 2 (02:19:03):
Oh my god, wait, dude, I just got I just
kind of digressed for one second. All right, here we
go the picture him leaving oh yeah, right, shirtless jested
is one of the old times. Like here's this dude
who like never spoke, was you know, the operator in

(02:19:28):
the cloak of of He was like this, you know, emperor.

Speaker 3 (02:19:36):
Uh. Just completely bizarre.

Speaker 2 (02:19:38):
And now he's running around with a twenty four year
old uh doing the walk of shame, shirtless, trying to
run out of a house. Like it's so crazy. It's bizarre.
Life is so nuts. Like, you know, imagine Tom Lantry
doing that.

Speaker 4 (02:19:57):
I kind of love it, though, I just kind of love'
I do too.

Speaker 3 (02:20:00):
I have I freaking love it. I do. I agree
with you.

Speaker 5 (02:20:04):
Well, By the way, who knows what the coaches did
and people did and didn't do. Back in the day,
you didn't have the twenty four hour news cycle like
we have now when people camped out with cameras left
and right. But I highly doubt that Tom Landry was
doing that. I'll be I'll just put it that way.
What to your point fits? This is amazing. This is
this is the Hard Knocks that I want. I want
this reality show. I can care that's what's happening in

(02:20:25):
the training camp. Hard Knocks with Bill Belichick post post
coaching career that's what I want to see.

Speaker 2 (02:20:30):
Oh my god, Oh my god, she just I mean, honestly,
it's freaking hysterical.

Speaker 3 (02:20:37):
It really is. I mean that was that story is unbelievable.
It really, it truly is.

Speaker 2 (02:20:42):
All Right, we gotta take quick time out where the
fellas hanging out right here?

Speaker 3 (02:20:48):
Oh my god, how about a writing an autogram in
his book?

Speaker 4 (02:20:56):
Did you sign that deductive logic? Tap?

Speaker 3 (02:21:01):
He lit's on the super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (02:21:04):
That's a flex though, I'll give him that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:06):
That's a hell FLEs shot.

Speaker 4 (02:21:07):
That is great.

Speaker 3 (02:21:09):
Oh that's fabulous. How come heav and Brady didn't get
a little better? I don't know, right, man, I don't
get it.

Speaker 2 (02:21:18):
Oh my god, right here, fellas old Fox Fellas. Oh man,
I love hanging out with you, guys. We're lying from
the ty rack dot com. Studios don't work, don't forget.

(02:21:40):
Shortly after this show the podcast goes up, and uh
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If you missed any portion of the show, just search
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(02:22:03):
the brain, Brad Feinberg Brain.

Speaker 5 (02:22:06):
Good morning, Good morning, buddy.

Speaker 8 (02:22:08):
How are you today?

Speaker 3 (02:22:09):
Good interest?

Speaker 2 (02:22:11):
A Uh that we call you the brain and uh
we just got done talking about Belichick.

Speaker 8 (02:22:20):
But who he get you right now?

Speaker 5 (02:22:21):
I can't argue that, well, that's the boy.

Speaker 4 (02:22:24):
But like mom, you know, if they're if they're in
love and they're happy, I just want I want I
want her to fix all of her dad issues in him,
to get out of his system, whatever he has. But
either way, I'm just happy for them. They look so
happy together.

Speaker 8 (02:22:38):
You know what, Listen, I'm being honest, like all kind
of fun the guys in his seventies, he's lived his life.
You know, what's what's wrong with it? If he wants
say that's what he's having fun with, I don't. I
really truly don't make fun of it. I mean, you
know he should. He's accomplished what he wants to all
complish her life, and it's it's having enjoying himself having fun.
I say good for him. I mean that I would agree.

Speaker 4 (02:22:58):
On that all counts. My only question is what's it
like the first time he goes home and meets her dad,
who's gotta be older than And then it's also like,
oh my god, you're Bill Belichick, Like that's just gotta
that's gotta be a wild meeting. Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:14):
I don't care. I mean, I'll be that was you know,
you imagine that your daughter, right, and some dude who's
thirty years older than you comes knock on the door.

Speaker 3 (02:23:27):
I don't care. How many Super Bowls you want?

Speaker 2 (02:23:28):
Mother?

Speaker 4 (02:23:29):
Father?

Speaker 8 (02:23:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's a tough one. That's a tough one.

Speaker 3 (02:23:39):
Yeah, I'll give you that. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:23:43):
Did you see that video with him walking out of
an apartment?

Speaker 4 (02:23:46):
Oh? Yeah, that's what we were talking.

Speaker 3 (02:23:50):
Yeah, I mean yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:23:52):
What can you say?

Speaker 2 (02:23:53):
Hysterical? All right, So we were talking a lot about
Game seven. Uh man, what a night last night in Edmonton.
Just incredible Fanner, incredible Fanner.

Speaker 8 (02:24:06):
It really has been. You know, it's funny this series.
Anthey again, I I just don't ask me it would
be it should be the premise of this series because
before the series, we talked about it. I liked Edmonton
before the series, and I thought that it was a
fifty to fifty series that would probably go seven games.
You know, didn't really have a true opinion less I

(02:24:27):
liked them as a dog, so I thought it was
a fifty. But then watching how the way the series started,
but okay, it looks like, you know, obviously they're just
they look like the better team, Edmond literally struggling to
score a big advantage and goal for you know, the Panthers.
And I thought, okay, you know, look, this is just
now the better team. You know, you got to you
gotta adjust and then cool, you know, you know, Edmonton

(02:24:50):
is just absolutely like taking this back. And you know, look,
Gari say, taking control of the series. Now, it's interesting,
very interesting. Guys. All these games in Florida remind us
like a Dour thirty five, Dour forty do forty five.
You know what the line is for this game? What
doar ten dollar fifteen. There's been a massive adjustment, a

(02:25:12):
massive adjustment where they're basically saying, okay, we're chopping this
down like thirty cents because you know, it's like you
got to really, I mean, I think most people are
bribing playing Edmonton. I would think just because they've won
the last three and people think momentium and whatnot. I'm
still and I I can't give you a good answer why.

(02:25:32):
But I'm still gonna just lean here to Florida that
they don't lose a four in a row and they
find a way.

Speaker 3 (02:25:39):
You know what's amazing, and I'll tell you it's fifty.

Speaker 2 (02:25:42):
Like one of Brad's basic tenants is I'd rather be
right than stubborn right, And I can I tell you
as your buddy, yeah, I think you've been over the
last three games.

Speaker 8 (02:25:57):
I mean, you know what, it's funny, you're right and
that as a sports gambler, you have to actually adhere
to that because if you just you choose to be consistent,
I say, if you choose to be consistent and you
just can't adjust to when it data changes, information changes. Again,
I always say, not just a sports betting in life,
the way you live your life, you have to deal
when the data changes. Let me ask your question, like,
are you going to stay married if you're a wife

(02:26:18):
teaching you at three or sixty five days a year?
Probably not the data changes, right, you have to be
able to adjust. And you look, obviously the data has
changed here, you know, in what we've seen. But in fairness, Anthony,
let's look at it. Something else changed too. The series
thrice changed, the game line changed. It went from one
to forty area to minus one ten, so it did

(02:26:39):
change thirty cents. So if it was one forty, I
would be on the Edmonton side for sure, one hundred percent,
because I'd be taking plus a dollar twenty area and
I would do that. But here and I'm more of
a it looks I thought this line should be Panthers
minus about a dollar twenty dollars fifty dollars eighteen area.
It's not something i'm betting. Just for the record, I'm
not betting. I'm not leasting to my clients. But if

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you asked me if I was just offered a million
dollars to be a hero for a day or cure cancer,
but would I pick? I would just close my eyes
and pick Flward in a close game.

Speaker 4 (02:27:12):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (02:27:12):
That's all fair. I got one thing and then fits
to you go.

Speaker 2 (02:27:15):
But I got one thing that I gotta ask you
because I never understood this, Like I get price betting
price if it's you know, you're taking a shot at
plus you know, five to one or three and a
half to one or whatever. But anytime you're looking at
pricing inside two dollars. I like, I don't get that.

(02:27:37):
Like to me, it's it should be about you know, reading,
handicapping the game, not what the price is, because the
game itself.

Speaker 3 (02:27:45):
Like I saw something last night at Edmonton.

Speaker 2 (02:27:50):
Every Day had never lost four in a row, and
every time they had lost three in a row, they
came back with a wind streak of four or more.

Speaker 8 (02:28:00):
It's amazing, No, and it's funny, Anthony. I remember at
the beginning if you remember the beginning of the year
with Edmondon, the beginning of the year, I don't you
remember this, but they started off horribly. They were like
the favorites to win the Stanley Cup. They started off atrocious,
fell behind. I want to say the first twenty games
the year maybe guess I'm gonna say they were seven
and thirteensing really poor. And they finished the last sixty

(02:28:21):
two games a year or whatnot, more or less. It's
the best team in hockey. And they had multiple streaks
and they had a fifteen game winning streak or something
like that. And this has been a team. Listen when
they click on all cylinders. Yes, but I just listen.
I will just say this, Anthony, And again you have
to remember this the Panthers. This is their second straight
Stanley Cup finals. They didn't get here by luck, they
didn't get here by accident. This isn't a one hit wonder,

(02:28:43):
so to speak. This is a team that has been
here two straight years to win the toughest trophy in
all sports. So they climbed tough mountains before. And I'm
sure they're you know, listen, obviously it's psychologically this is
a tough spot, a very tough spot for sure. But
I still think that they can they can rally and

(02:29:05):
make this. I thinks a close games, a one goal game.
They it's made a one goal game and it's be
an incredibly close game. And what's interesting, Anthony, is we
me and you talk the other day. Anyone betting the
total in the game, I would say, again, it's interesting.
You saw last night. You see what happened. They pulled,
They scored like.

Speaker 2 (02:29:21):
Yesterday that there would be and there would two empty
that goals because you're pulling the goalie early.

Speaker 8 (02:29:27):
Exactly, and ess actually in a game seven, you're not,
you know, And the totals five and a half, So
anyone and it's just to the under. So anyone is
looking to take the under, not saying that's not the
quote unquote right side, especially in game seven is usually
these games are more low scoring. For sure, history under
traditionally cash in game sevens. But this, Anthony, this game
could be three to one and you just nailed it,

(02:29:49):
and there's you know, it's like there's it's you're going
to win, and then boom, you know they're gonna it's
for one. They're going to still keep the goal. He pulled.
Why not? It's game seven? What do you lose? Four? One,
five one? No one cares, right, So I would just
say anyone who's looking at bet the under, I would
just be careful. Maybe bet under in first period or
do a period bet instead, like you get bet under

(02:30:09):
one and a half in the first period Lange one forty.
I'd rather go that route than laying under five and
a half in the game, just because of the end
of the game. You know what you're gonna have to
deal with.

Speaker 4 (02:30:20):
Does home ice matter to you at all?

Speaker 8 (02:30:23):
And no, no, no, no, no no. I believe over
the last nine years the road teams won more games
than the home team. Okay, okay, I think it's the
road teas actually won more games and the homeways win
is to me zero when I was talking to Anthony
the other day. That's the thing that's changed the most
in hockey has been the adjustment from the lines makers.

(02:30:43):
It used to be these fifty to fifty games, I
mean minus one fifty home team or minus one some
of my nice one sixty home team, plus one forty
for the road team. I'd be taking plus one forty
all day on games, or at least fifty to fifty,
and I was making a lot of money doing it.
But now these games have become much more like the
home teams maybe minus one twenty plus one hundred. There's
been a massive adjustment in that because they all good

(02:31:05):
things in so, no, I don't give home mice even
a little bit. I really don't nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:31:14):
All right, Baseball, what do you got for us today?

Speaker 8 (02:31:18):
Look interesting? Logan Gilbert? I like Logan Gilbert. Guys in
the five inning line, you can lay a half run
laying about a dour five dollar ten area going against
Sean Anderson. Sean Anderson, is it? I mean you want
to look at his stats, probably as bad as that
as anyone in Major League Baseball. Probably won't pitch him
any innings. But Logan Gilbert's been one of the five
best pictures in the American League. Marlins really shouldn't score manners.

(02:31:39):
Not a great offense. But I say the Mariners score
two or three runs through five innings and Gilbert holds
them the zero or one. I like the manners in
the five inning line. I like the Phillies laying a
run and a half day. It's my criteria, Anthony, when
I have a dominant starter, is Zach we are his
first day game and it's nineteen oh two. It seemed
like his last game he got killed by the Oils.
But Zach we were laying one and a half runs

(02:32:00):
against Tommy Henry. I have an awful pitch on Tommy Henry.
The Phillies, I think we'll get their six runs here.
I think we're will hold this team the two or
left runs, laying a run and a half, laying a
dollar ten dollars fifteen area. I think it makes a
lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (02:32:14):
I like, I will say this real quick, go back
and look at Wheeler's day night splits.

Speaker 8 (02:32:24):
I will do that, and you're gonna tell me that.

Speaker 3 (02:32:29):
Well, he's much more effective at night.

Speaker 8 (02:32:33):
Much more effective at night yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:32:35):
I listen.

Speaker 2 (02:32:37):
I think you should dominate this team, you know, but
it's just something to add to your handicap.

Speaker 3 (02:32:43):
And that's all.

Speaker 8 (02:32:43):
Yeah, yeah, and I listen, I I here listen to again.
If it's over, isn't hired for it? This keeps happening.
I guess there's something too that it has just been
just this year and there's not as big of a
data size, and I will I will check that out.
I still think we will should have a good game
against Answer team. In my opinion, Corbyn burns guys under
six and a half strikeouts again and I give this

(02:33:07):
on your other show before and it's one, it's twelve
and three. This year he is just absolutely his k
rate is plummeted. No longer. That's still been pitching great,
but his k rate is nowhere near what it was.
And the Answers is the hardest team in maage the
beat for the strikeouts. Let's think about this with a
guy who has gone under twelve to fifteen times, not
even getting seven strikeouts, the game against the hardest team
to strikeout. Don't need to be a genius know that

(02:33:29):
really should be five and a half. That numbers priced
one strikeout to buy and that one strikeout is everything,
So give me the give me Corbin Burns under six
and a half strikeouts.

Speaker 3 (02:33:38):
There, got it, buddy.

Speaker 2 (02:33:40):
I great stuff as always at Brad's Best Bets dot Com,
at bradsbeest Bets dot com, and at Brad's Best Bets
on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (02:33:50):
X always great buddy, Thank you.

Speaker 8 (02:33:52):
You're good, Chris. I'm enjoyed the games all right, but
I'll fetch you guys next week.

Speaker 2 (02:33:56):
Always fun, always fun, chopping it up with the brain.
We'll come back and wrap it up. Fella is hanging
right here. Fox Sports Radio Fellas from the Tireac dot com.

Speaker 3 (02:34:12):
Studios.

Speaker 2 (02:34:15):
Jason fitz Kevin figures Anthony Gargano about the fun.

Speaker 8 (02:34:20):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:34:21):
Uh, we are insconsin a heat wave, an epic heat wave.
I think the whole country is in the heat wave.
I'm getting ready to do a nice afternoon of tournament
eleven U tournament baseball in this searing heat.

Speaker 4 (02:34:41):
That does not sound fun.

Speaker 5 (02:34:44):
I'm sure it's not human at all either, So.

Speaker 2 (02:34:46):
Oh my god, it feels like lows. It's horriful, but
it's gonna be a fun one.

Speaker 3 (02:35:00):
A big perfect game, tourn A perfect game is like one.

Speaker 2 (02:35:03):
Of the best youth organizations, youth baseball organizations.

Speaker 3 (02:35:08):
So it's a big tournament.

Speaker 2 (02:35:10):
And in fact, I got this is funny, right, So
I told you about Charlie Manuel, right, who is a
legendary baseball guy. He managed the Indians and the Phillies
and he's won the World Series and the whole thing.
So he's coming to the game. I'm gonna go pick
him up after the show and take him to the game.

(02:35:30):
And he loves me. He's like, heynity, I want to
see his son hit. I go, all right, I said,
come on, we'll come to the game. Like you know,
he because he's in town. He was in town for
Cole Hamil's late last night. So he's gonna come and
he's gonna sit in the dugout. So I told the
our coach, I go, dude, I said, uh, you mind

(02:35:52):
if Charlie shares the dugout with you.

Speaker 3 (02:35:55):
He's like, you're killing me, man. He's like, I gotta
have him.

Speaker 2 (02:35:58):
I got one of them, the most famous Phillies managers
and sitting in the back of me.

Speaker 3 (02:36:04):
Ah, there's not enough pressure on me.

Speaker 4 (02:36:07):
That's funny.

Speaker 5 (02:36:08):
Yeah, that's tough sledding. Charlie, just lean over and say,
you know what I would do over there. I'm not
telling you how to manage, but if it were.

Speaker 4 (02:36:20):
Me, you know, if you wanted a little help, just saying.

Speaker 5 (02:36:25):
You didn't ask, but but what I might do in
this situation.

Speaker 3 (02:36:28):
You know, I love it. It's great. It's funny.

Speaker 2 (02:36:34):
That Stuff's always like fun stuff, you know what I mean,
Like anytime you get you know that the height of
your profession.

Speaker 3 (02:36:40):
And you got you know, you're with the youth.

Speaker 2 (02:36:43):
Stuff. It's it's good times, all right. So what's all
tapped for the weekend?

Speaker 3 (02:36:46):
Fitsy? What do you got good? What do you got cooking?
I know you got something cooking.

Speaker 4 (02:36:52):
Honestly, I don't like he's pretty pretty re last weekend.
I'm gonna get to I'm just hanging back, might watch
a little couple America, Like, I don't know, Like it's
just it's this is one of those weekends where you
sit around and you say, my god, how many more
weeks until football? That's all are at this point?

Speaker 5 (02:37:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:37:06):
Yes, it is like I find myself again and I
like the sport. I'm not trying it again. I think
soccer is a beautiful game. The whole thing.

Speaker 3 (02:37:17):
But man, you know, like it doesn't makes.

Speaker 2 (02:37:20):
You when you're looking, you go, all right, well, I
got Copa America. Tell me you're not gonna And I
wish there was like Texas AY and in Oklahoma.

Speaker 4 (02:37:31):
Shoot right now, I take like Texas A and M
versus Western Kentucky Middle State University or something.

Speaker 5 (02:37:38):
You'll get that starts those games.

Speaker 4 (02:37:42):
We complain about week two, week three in college football
every year. I'm this this. We just need to cut
this and play it for us so that when we're
sitting there saying why they're all these cupcakes? Cupcakes are
better than nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:37:55):
Yes, yes, cupcakes are. And you're a cupcake. You always
appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (02:38:03):
I do anything that has the word cake in it, cake, donuts,
I'm in for all of it.

Speaker 2 (02:38:10):
I'm gonna I'm gonna scream at my kids on National TV.
If you can hear the ruckus in the background going
on as they're fighting over who to walk who walks
the dog while Daddy's on the air, that better not happened, Massimo.

Speaker 3 (02:38:29):
All right, is.

Speaker 5 (02:38:32):
Anthony's turning to walk the dog?

Speaker 4 (02:38:34):
Dad?

Speaker 3 (02:38:34):
That's all?

Speaker 4 (02:38:35):
Oh man, that's when you know what you're better off
both of them walking the dogs.

Speaker 2 (02:38:41):
The dog, both of you help it out, now, mass
help your brother. Oh my god, you made the right call, dude,
You made the right call.

Speaker 3 (02:38:52):
Buddy.

Speaker 2 (02:38:53):
Uh, figure.

Speaker 3 (02:38:59):
You didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:39:00):
I'll tell you off the bad you did. As I'm
watching the dog pee in the house.

Speaker 5 (02:39:07):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (02:39:09):
My brother used to always say when we would get
into these sorts of arguments and I didn't want to
do something, my brother would always say, Look, I'm gonna
get in trouble either way. So the question is do
you want to get in trouble, because look, we can
either go down together and we're both we're just you're
gonna get stuck doing this with me, or you're we're
both gonna get in trouble. See, now that the dog
is pee in the house, everybody's done. Everybody's done.

Speaker 3 (02:39:29):
Everybody's done.

Speaker 2 (02:39:31):
Like they better hope this is the longest segment of
their lives. He cooks with daddy's, put daddy's off, the
air heads will roll.

Speaker 5 (02:39:41):
Unfortunately for them, it's not gonna last much longer.

Speaker 4 (02:39:45):
That's even worse than just wait till your dad gets home.
It's like just wait till your dad presses disconnected the room.

Speaker 2 (02:39:57):
Great exactly what do you want watching, fag, We're talking
about what are you watching?

Speaker 3 (02:40:02):
Are you watching a little soccer action?

Speaker 5 (02:40:04):
I'll get a little bit in, to be honest with you,
I'll probably spend some time with the family, spend some
time with the in laws with the baby a little bit,
you know, light, laid back a little bit, watch the movies,
you know, something like that. Nice laid back weekend.

Speaker 3 (02:40:14):
Beautiful.

Speaker 2 (02:40:14):
All right, everybody have a great weekend. We love you, Fellasa.
See next week.

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