Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk Stanley Cup Final and JJ Redick!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh, good morning, happy Saturday to you.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
We've got a lot of stuff, shockingly the NFL trying
to get an eighteen game schedule, meaning not shockingly at all.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
We'll get the ball in a little bit. Lakers have
a new head coach, all that good stuff. But we
start quick, puck.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
That is right.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
We've got an epic comeback with the Edmonton Oilers forcing
a Game seven. The two second best words in sports, right,
super Bowl? Those are the best two words. Game seven,
second best two words. Yes, absolutely, but we get a
Game seven on Monday after the Oilers won last night,

(00:44):
And just like Isaac Lowenkron said at the top of
the hour, it's the first time since nineteen forty five
that the team has rallied from a three to zero
deficit to force a Game seven in the Stanley Cup Final.
Crazy that the Boilers have come back the way.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
They have a.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Little bit of controversy last night with a goal that
was disallowed by the Florida Panthers, but it's we got
a game seven. What looked like a laugher of a
series has turned out to be anything but here.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
If you love sports and you've paid attention to a
lot of different playoff series or a lot of different
games over the course of your life. You know the
you know the feeling, and I'll describe it in plain English,
and then you'll attach whatever feeling you have to it
based off of a game that you've watched or a
series that you've watched. But it feels like a lot

(01:37):
of times a team is capable of making the furious comeback,
but they're not capable of winning the series. They're not
capable of winning the game. Right. How many times do
you see in college basketball, especially come tournament time, there's
a team that's down twenty points and all of a sudden,
you know, started the second half. They just put together

(01:59):
a couple of shows, they hit a couple of threes,
and they fight all the way back into the game
and then only to lose by two points. And it's
because somebody slapped the ball, it was a bad inbound play,
it was whatever it might be. Like, it's just it's
weird how it always happens that way. Like there's enough
energy all the way to get back into it, but

(02:20):
there's not enough injury or excuse me, energy to overtake
the opponent. I'm very curious if the Oilers can close
this out Monday.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I think they can. I think I'm actually gonna give
out a pick in this game.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Maybe I just gave it away and put the car
before the horse there, because well, I think momentum in
hockey is very different than momentum in the NBA, right Like.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I think these two postseasons.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Mirror each other in their formats and in the time
of year, right the calendar, they kind of overlap. But
that's I think the only similarities and we're seeing the
different right we are. It's kind of ironic that the
two finals were obviously on different nights. They both ended

(03:07):
in very different ways. The games themselves were vastly different.
I know last night was a blowout in the NHL
for the most part, but that is a rarity. In
this postseason, the games have been very close. The other
game the other night in Florida was nip and talk.
And I think the only similarities in the postseasons is
really kind of the style they play in terms of

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the best of seven because what we're seeing in the
Stanley Cup final compared to what we saw in the
NBA finals, and that actually is The other difference is
they get very mad when you don't put the right
plural or singular attachment right Stanley Cup Final, singular NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I know people get very prickly out there about that.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
But the NHL, it kind of felt like once Edmonton
got that first one to make it three to one,
it kind of felt like snow where on the other side,
right for Dallas, it was like, all right, they got
their one, now the series over.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Like it just it felt like.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
A completely different win when Edmonton finally got theirs and
then when Dallas finally got theirs in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
So I do think they can carry it over. They've
already proven they can go into Florida and win. It
just happened a few nights ago.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
So I'm kinda I'm kind of in the Oilers comeback
train here, even though my Florida series ticket is just,
i mean decimated after.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Going on how horrible is that?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
By the way, I'm very upset about it.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
You're sitting up.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Three to zero in the series. They have to win
in at least six games. So game four rolls around, Okay,
it doesn't go your way. We got Game five, Game
five doesn't go our way.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
We still got Game six.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
That's when I knew, Brian. Yeah, and they didn't come
out in Game five and slam the door at home
like Vegas did last year at home in Game five
in the first period, I knew, I knew the series
was on.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
No, I it's crazy too, because building off what you're
talking about, Jared, these two series mirrored each other and
then they didn't. Right, Like, if you look at the
NBA and the NHL, so the similarities. Luca was the
best player in the series. Right, you have Connor McDavid.
He's the best player in the series. And the MAVs

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and Edmonton get off to horrible starts. They're both trailing
three games to none, and then both the MAVs and
the Oilers go crazy in Game four. The MAVs win
by thirty eight points, Edmonton won eight to one, and
you're like, Okay, well, and I messed up here. I'm like,
if the Celtics win Game five, I'm betting the Florida

(05:44):
Panthers in Game five, right, And the Celtics come out
and they smack around Dallas. Dallas scores like eighty eight
points or whatever it was, and then Florida. I'm like, Okay,
these two series have been identical to this point. I'm
betting the Florida Panthers. Yep, that did not work out.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Now we're going we're in the same man wagon. The
other night we all went down with the ship together.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
But you're right though, it is different in the NHL,
where I don't know, like it's WEIRDKI is just a
weird sport where just peculiar things happen. You're not going
to see an NBA series change as much as you've
seen the NHL final change. Here what they Edmonton's outscored

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Florida like twenty to five the last couple of games.
That's just crushing them the last handful of games when
they were down three to nothing. You're never going to
see something like that in the NBA.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Well, I also think hockey is very different from basketball,
just in terms of gameplay and strategy. Like in football,
you can figure a team out after a really bad
half and you can completely dominate them for the rest
of the game based off of halftime adjustment and how
many times have we seen it tail of two halves?

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It's literally a a whatever you want to call it,
A sports cliche that is built around the whiteboard in
the football locker room. It's you know, hey, listen, we
got to get away from this. Every time we blitz them,
we're getting beat deep over here. Hey, we got to
get away from this. You know, our gap scheme run

(07:24):
game is ineffective. We're gonna run more zone and we're
gonna run right at them, you know, because you know
what you know what I mean, like, it's it's all
these things that you can adjust that can make that
can make all the difference in football. In hockey more
similar to football than basketball, you can make some differences

(07:46):
in you know, the line shifts and I mean like
there's there's different ways to attack teams on the ice
and momentum. I think also probably different than in an
NBA environment. I believe that I believe strategy can affect
outcomes in that game more so than in basketball. In basketball,

(08:07):
I don't want to say that it's it's highly predictive,
but let's be honest with ourselves. I mean, outside of
outside of exceptional performances during series or games, it's it's
it's pretty easy to see who's gonna win a series.
In basketball, Like if we really sat down and we

(08:27):
just went series win by series win. The West got
a little wonky because I think Denver kind of fell
out of bed. Jamal Murray had a really bad playoff
season this year. But but NBA basketball in general a
little bit easier, usually the better team wins. Hockey a
little bit different, you know, because it's a physical game,

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and I think soreness and tiredness is real. And I
think momentum and home crowd advantage in your arena when
you have when you have people banging on the glass,
you know, next to your ice as opposed to opponents,
that can fuel you in a way that it really
doesn't in the NBA. I mean a Ken, There's no
question Boston had an effect on Kyrie. I think that's

(09:10):
a storyline though in and of itself, it's a little
different than a lot of other storylines you'll see in
the playoffs generally. But yeah, yeah, I see that too.
I think I think hockey is a sport where momentum matters,
and right now all momentum is on Edmonton and they've
done a great job of tilting that in their favor.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
You know what else matters in this series that we
haven't talked about that probably doesn't matter as much in
other series. It certainly did not matter as much in
the NBA Finals. The travel in this series, yea, is insane.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
And this is a twenty five hundred mile trip between
it's I think it's the furthest ever between two championship
cities in a championship round. And now we've done the
trip between Game two and three, which was obviously a
while ago, the trip between Game four and five was

(10:10):
very recently, and then they had to go back to
Edmonton for Game six, and now they have to get
back on a plane and go back down to Sunrise
for Game seven.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Now they're getting the extra day each time.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
But I would argue this is they need the extra
day because this is a multiple time zone long trip.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
And I know these guys aren't.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Traveling you know, spirit airlines here, like I understand that,
but after playing a game of hockey getting right back
on the plane and I don't know exactly when they're
traveling either. I think timing the travel is important, But
if you're the Panthers, that twenty five hundred mile trip
probably feels like more like twenty five light years going

(10:51):
to the moon after losing Game five, then you get
back on a plane, go to Edmonton.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
You lose Game six, then you have to get back
on a plane and go back home.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
Whereas Edmonton it's probably floating to sunrise like they feel
top of the moon right now. I don't know if
that impacts the game at all, because again you have
a long layoff until Game seven. It's not going to
be played until Monday. But I wouldn't be shocked if
one of the teams came out a little sluggish in
Game seven, and I would not be shocked if that

(11:20):
team was Florida, because if anyone has to start fast,
I think the first period is going to be very,
very telling. If Florida comes out flat like they did
in Game five, I think the series is over and
I would be live betting Edmonton the entire first period
if they look faster and better, especially if they don't
get that early goal, because I think it's all about

(11:42):
a confidence thing for Florida at this point, like you've
got to be shaking. You just gave up a three
to lead to a team you thought was dead to rights.
I think that first period in Game seven is going
to be absolutely crucial.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's crazy how the betting has changed.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Where they showed the graphic last night on Sports Center
where after Game three, so Florida's up three games to none, Jared,
you would know this even better. I think Florida was
minus twenty five hundred to win.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
You'rell it up right now from GM shift that much.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
You would have to risk twenty five hundred dollars to
win one hundred dollars. That's how huge of a favorite
Florida was. And now heading into Game seven.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
Minus three thousand, it's basically a pick them minus.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Three thousand in Game four to win.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
The minus three thousand at BT MGM, Yeah, depends what
shop you got it.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, they're different shops.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
They do arry and you could have gotten it was
at thirteen to one to win the series before Game four.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I'm sure they showed it on ESPN bet you know, yeah,
probably there we bet MGM R. You can't feel much better,
you know if you're like, oh my, my Florida tickets
only minus twenty five hundred, you know, oh.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
I feel terrible.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
I had a Florida ticket. I bet minus I think
it was minus one third. I bet Florida to win
the series, and then I bet minus one and a
half games at plus one seventy. That obviously lost because
they had to have won last night in order for
that to win. But when they were up three to oh,
I put a little bit of a sprinkle because I
was like, if they lose this and I don't win
this bet, I'm gonna be miserable. Put a small sprinkle

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on Panthers in seven when they were up three to
oh at like seven to one, because I was like,
if the Panthers don't win my series bet now minus
one and a half games after being up three to oh,
I'm gonna be very upset. So let's let's protect my future. Jared,
they better come through for you these bumps. I think
Edmonton's winning the series, guy, I think, and I'll give

(13:38):
you the pick now. I'm sure that people listening now
won't be listening in three hours. I think the Oilers
are winning the series. I think they're winning on Monday.
All right, we'll see how that works out.

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We've got Jared Smith with us FSR betting analyst Rich
Ornberger Penn State, All American.

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I'm Brian No. By the way. Shout out to Iowa Sam.

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Speaker 2 (15:05):
So it's official. JJ Reddick is the new Lakers head.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Coach and uh, you know, the the music in the
background sounds very jovial, you.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Know, yes, so like the eighties.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
La Dance Club right here, you know, shout out to
Janet Jackson.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yes, but I'm a little bit more surly when it
comes to the Lakers album yet on the show.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, well, yeah, good, we've opened that door right here. Yeah,
I'm looking at one the work that needs to be done,
and how tough the road is in the West. So
the obvious part is Lebron is nearing the end of
his NBA playing days. Then what for the Lakers. I know,
Anthony Davis is basically the centerpiece, but the Lakers could

(15:58):
very well be Pelican with like, remember Anthony Davis with
the New Orleans Pelicans. It wasn't exactly awesome there, and
the Lakers in a loaded West could resemble that. And
I was thinking of just how tough the West is.
You'll hear some of these Laker fans say, well, I
mean they went toe to toe with Denver. You know,

(16:19):
It's like, let's stop and think about that. They lost
to Denver in the first round. Granted they were the
defending champions, but just to sort of paint the picture
of how much work there is to be done. The
Nuggets lost to the Timberwolves, the Timberwolves lost to the MAVs,
and the MAVs lost to the Celtics. So you lost

(16:42):
in the first round, granted to the defending champs who
lost to the team who lost to the team who
lost to the team. So that just kind of illustrates
how much work there is to be done in La
La Land with the Lakers when Lebron is nearing the
end here, even though he's still playing at a high level.
I just the work that you need to do post

(17:04):
Lebron in that conference.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Good luck.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
I think that basketball, especially in the NBA, especially with
a player as special as Lebron James, you can recover
from an embarrassing exit in the postseason and win a
championship the next year and rectify what problems exist relatively
quickly with a couple of tweaks to the roster a

(17:28):
little more stabilization. Maybe because they do have all the
parts necessary to win a championship. In my opinion, I
just don't think this team has played with a championship
effort or the type of enthusiasm that you need to
win a championship in a while. I mean even even

(17:48):
you can make the argument two years ago when they
went to the Western Conference final or finals, it felt.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Like mad about that.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it got a hockey. I'll tell you
what mashup ends the better for for my plural and singular.
But uh, but yeah, it's it's interesting. I do think
you correctify things really quickly. But on on the hiring,
On the hiring itself, here's what I'll say about the Lakers.

(18:21):
They have seeded complete control to Lebron James. I mean,
there is there's no such thing as a bridge too
far when it comes to Lebron James in terms of
the Lakers and their relationship with him, whatever it takes
to appease him, up to and including now drafting his
kin to keep him happy. I mean, think about what

(18:44):
this means. I'm not saying it's disastrous. I'm not saying
it's the wrong thing to do, but it is the
reality the Lakers, in all aspects roster building, coaching hirings, hirings,
support staff hirings, every single thing that Lebron James wants,
his needs or desires will be met, and it'll be

(19:06):
met with the word yes, yes, Lebron, and what else
can we do for you? Yes, Lebron, and what else
can we do for you? And when one person or
one team you know of like minded people, have complete
control of a situation, eventually it's going to crumble. It's
gonna crumble under the weight of your own deceit. You
can't help it when there's only one opinion running things. Look,

(19:30):
it's the reason why the United States wanted to be
a republic instead of a monarchy back in you know,
the seventeen hundreds. It was because they were being crushed
by taxation from an overseas ruler. Right. They didn't want
to do that anymore. So they said, instead of having
one voice at the top shouting down to everybody else,
we're gonna have everybody vote for our leadership, and we're

(19:53):
gonna give term limits and all this stuff. Because there's
strength in numbers. You build a better to when you
have a lot of voices contributing to the course or
the direction you'll take. That's not the case with the Lakers.
The Lakers are a monarchy, and it's a crumbling empire.
And it's an empire based around two words twenty or

(20:16):
excuse me, two numbers twenty three and there's nothing you
could do about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I like the government civics comparison there.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
I feel like I'm back in eighth grade Civics class.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
That was a really good right.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Constitutional monarchy and republic.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
No, I agree with that with that assessment too.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
I mean, let's because I don't have the same NBA chops,
especially as you do, Brian.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
You watch a lot more of the games than me.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
But the first question I have do we think the
Hurly stuff was a complete ropodope or do we think
he actually had a legit shot to take that job?
Or do we think it was kind of a dog
and pony show as they say, and when Hurley came
out West it was kind of, you know, Lebron didn't

(21:05):
really feel strongly about it. Hurley probably could smell the
you know, the concoction kind of getting brewed about what
was really going on behind the scenes. Or do we
think Hurley actually had a legit chance to get that job.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
I think there was a legit chance. Jeanie Buss definitely
wanted Dan Hurley. It was a legitimate offer. You tangled
seventy million bucks in front of something. Yeah, the Lakers right,
it's the Lakers brand. So yeah, I think there was
absolutely a possibility he would have accepted it.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
But at the end of the day, I don't think
it was enough money. I think it wasn't like earth
shattering money. It was a lot of money, but I
think it also could have been a dog and pony
show on the other side, where Hurley knew, Hey, if
I go out there and make it seem like I'm
taking this job, all of a sudden, I've got Connecticut's

(21:56):
brass by the you know what, and I can squeeze.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
And it was a.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
Very interesting scenario to how it played out because the
Hurley News came from out of nowhere, we all kind
of assumed, like I think it was Sham's originally reported
that it was. It was a done deal with Reddick.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
It's over.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
JJ Reddi's gonna get the job before the Hurley stuff,
and then the Hurley news gets injected into the market,
and I'm just trying to dissect it from like the
Lakers standpoint, who did they really want Did they really
want JJ Reddick or did the Lakers really want Hurley?

Speaker 1 (22:30):
And then on the other side, who did Lebron really want?

Speaker 5 (22:33):
I think that question is obvious to me, but I
still struggle with this because it does still feel like
this is a Lebron hand pick and the Lakers are
still kind of Lebron's team, and I thought that this
was going to be the first step in them moving on,
or not moving on, but at least building a foundation

(22:54):
for a post Lebron Lakers situation. And it kind of
felt like the whole situation came full circle, like we
thought we were getting Reddick, and then we weren't, and
then we thought it was going to be a completely
new direction, and then we were back right where we
started originally, where the news first broke that. I think
it was Sham's early June that it was going to

(23:15):
be Reddick. So I don't know how to feel. I
feel like I was kind of put through the ringer,
Like it was like I almost watched them.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
It felt like I watched the movie.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
And I didn't like the ending, and I'm like, well,
I'm not going to get my twenty bucks back for
that movie, and now I have to kind of sit
with that with.

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How the plot played out.

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Just trying to contribute to be a full service operation
round here and keep up with one. Rich Ornberger, Were
you like a constitutional studies major as in States?

Speaker 4 (24:10):
I was a lawyer for years before getting into the NFL.
I was like the Dougie Houser.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
Of law howser and so being like a professor and
like a college professor with like a sweater.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Vest I had several and I mean several of those
jackets with the patches on the album. Yes, I often
would would be found in the quad musing over different
constitutional issues while smoking from a pipe. But like chat,
was you cherchy tobacco? Yes, yes, thank you, thank you.
Sip from a snifter with a very old world sketch.

Speaker 8 (24:47):
Because coming up in our next hour, Rich will be
delivering a lecture on Charles Codosworth Pinckney and his role
in the seventeen eighty seven Philadelphia Convention, and ironically, he
will then break down the nineteen eighty seven Philadelphia Eagles
offensive line. Well, speaking of scholarly issues, We've got a

(25:09):
pop quiz for you guys coming up in just mere moments,
and it relates to what happened last night in Game
six of the Stanley Cup Final. Is the Edmonton Oilers
defeated the Florida Panthers again five to one. So they've
come back from a three games to non deficit to
tie the series at three and force a Game seven
on Monday night at Florida, becoming the first team to
rally from a three games to non deficit to force

(25:31):
a Game seven in a Stanley Cup Final since the
Detroit Red Wings in nineteen forty five. And if they
win Game seven on Monday night, they can join the
nineteen forty two Toronto Maple Leafs is the only teams
to rally from a three games to non deficit in
a final to win the Stanley Cup. And that relates
to our pop quiz for the three of you. I'm

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going to give you three names. Two of them were
actual player on the nineteen forty two Toronto maple leafs
and the other I made up. And I want you
to guess which of the three I made up?

Speaker 9 (26:10):
Two are real, one are made up.

Speaker 8 (26:12):
So the three names are turk Broda, Cyclone, Partridge, and
Bingo Campmen. Which of those three names are made up?
The other two are real? Members of the forty two
maple Leafs, turk Broda, cyclone, Partridge, and Bingo Campmen.

Speaker 9 (26:37):
Brian, shall we start with you?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Let me think here? You either made up turk cyclone
or Bingo. Okay, so which of the three is most
likely made up?

Speaker 9 (26:50):
Sounds like he's stalling, by the way, but okay.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Does I'm not cheating. I don't even know what to
search to be able to cheat. Gonna say that because
Iowa Sam is in today. You thought hawkkeys and went cyclones, right,
and he went Iowa Statelogy.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
By the way, it was, and Low and Crown has
always been a huge Partridge family, uh, I mean for
years now?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Really?

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Wow, this is really good analysis.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Guys, Catridge is a fake I agree with Brian?

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Now yeah, okay, Jared, that is fantastic analysis.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
How can I disagree with that? That's elite?

Speaker 8 (27:31):
Well, guess what all three of you are absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Good, well done. Yeah, we've made on the show.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Geez, we were wrong about four guys. We were right about.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
This terms really impressive work.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
Turk Broda and Bingo Campman representing the forty two Male
APS and Major League Baseball. On Friday Night, the Angels
defeated the Dodgers and Tenantings three to two, despite show
Hee Otani hitting his twenty second home run of the season,
leading in the National League is seventh home run in
eleven games. Padres Jake cronenworth five for five with a
home run and their nine to five win over the Brewers.

(28:08):
The Oakland a has scored two in the bottom of
the eighth inning to top the Twin six to five.
In the WNBA Friday Night, Caitlin Clark had sixteen points
and seven assists as her Indiana fever wanted Atlanta ninety
one to seventy nine in front of an Atlanta franchise
record crowd of seventeen thousand, five hundred and seventy five
at State Farm Arena, breaking the old franchise record by

(28:29):
nearly six thousand fans. Now back to three Renaissance men.
They know sports, They know the nineteen forty two Toronto
maple leafs. They know constitutional history. Brian Rich and Jared
thank you.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
I Lo.

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Speaker 1 (29:04):
Man.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
So it's funny, real fast Rich with your San Diego Padres. Yeah, buddy, Yeah,
I Loo just mentioned them and they have been scorching hot.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
They're scoring runs like crazy.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
They had three walk off homers in a row at home.
And it's funny because I'm looking at the betting lines
today and I'm like, man, maybe I should go with
the hot bats of the Padres. And I'm like, but
that means I would have to bet on the Podres.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
You know what I mean? Yeah, I do know what
you mean.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Ye roller coaster ride And man, it's like you come
out smelling like a rose sometimes when you do back them,
and it's the exact opposite when you back them, as well.
And I'm not sure which team shows up today against
the Brewers.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Well, you know what, your your assessment is accurate. It's
been back and forth. It's been a pendulum. As soon
as they crest five hundred, or even go a couple
of games over five hundred, the pendulum has momentum or
inertia enough to swing back the other way and wipe
out all the progress they've made. If you go back

(30:06):
and look at wins and losses on Pro Baseball Reference
and just look, you know how they have that. It's
almost like a timeline and it shows you every date,
every game, and if you win, it as a green line,
and if you lose, it's a red line. You'll just
see like green green, green, red, red, red red green, green, green, green, red, red, red, red.
Like it's just been back and forth throughout the season,
and certain teams they just don't have a culture of

(30:29):
being able to sustain success. And that's exactly where the
Padres are. As soon as they have a good thing,
it turns to sand and it runs through their fingers
and then they try to gather it up again. It's wild.
It's wild to watch.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Not being able to win at home is very strange.
They're under five hundred at home.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
Yeah, I think that's the part about San Diego where
I think there's upside, because I'll be honest, the Dodgers,
I don't think they're playing their best baseball right now.
It feels like they're just kind of hovering. Not having
Mookie Bets, certainly it doesn't help, but Nobe's really pushing
them in the West. And we're at that point in
the season now where the standings start to matter a
little bit, right I tell people, don't even look at

(31:10):
the standings until you know, even July fourth, Well, we're
almost there. And I think halfway through the year, basically
most teams have played seventy five games or so.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
The standing start to matter. And the NL.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
West is one of the most is one of the
least competitive divisions right now. There's not a whole lot
of action there at the top. We thought Arizona would
be better Giants and Colorado we knew it'd stink, but
we obviously did not expect San Diego and Arizona to
be five hundred come July fourth, basically, and that's where
we're at.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Man, the Dodgers were so bad last night I'm slightly
mad at Bo Benson, our trusted producer. It has nothing
to do with it, absolutely nothing to do with it.
You know, he follows the Dodgers closely, does a podcast
on them. They were so freaking terrible. Can you tell
I had some cash on the Dodgers last.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
A little bit.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
You don't give any money lines position, you're done.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
It was brutal.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
But their whole offense last night was a two run
homer by Otani and that's it. Two runs. Yeah, it's
like five ft and I backed Otani. That's what made
it worse. I'm like, okay, I'll take Otani just to
get a hit. I'll take over one and a half
total bases. I'll put it with the Dodgers money line.
And when he hit the two run homer, I'm like, oh,

(32:28):
this is looking freaking beautiful. And then a reliever came
in and just started hitting angels, plunking angels left and right.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Oh, it's terrible.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Was in the outfield over here.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
It did not work out well, it didn't work out.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
What it is working out is we've got Rich Hornberger,
Penn State All American, Jared Smith FSR betting analyst.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I'm Brian No coming up next.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
The parley platter with a different feel to it today,
a little bit of a different recipe. So we will
be all ears coming up around the corner. It is
Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. It
is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Oh, beautiful job by Iowa Sam.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
He's gone from Janet Jackson to Metallica back in the
Master of Puppets days.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
With the both of all heroes. Gotta love that. We
don't have time to waste. Jared has been working hard.
Let's do this.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
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Speaker 2 (33:27):
All right, Jared, what are you thinking today?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Well, so, I don't bet soccer a lot.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
I usually only bet soccer during that I know this
is the famous last words we start a parlay segree.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I don't do this often, but when I do.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
No. So, the Euro's happening right now, it's I would say,
one of maybe three or four events on the entire
soccer calendar that I'm interested in.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
The World Cup being another one.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Copa America, which is also happening now, is kind of intriguing,
but it's the South American country is a little bit
harder to handicap I think than the European countries because
there's just a lot more organization and kind of fluidity
to their game, whereas some of the like Brazil and Argentina.
I mean, it's just it's a wide open match, very
hard to handicap. So I do focus on the euro

(34:14):
when these international competitions come up. And I'll be honest,
I really enjoy betting sparingly. I'm not a really good
soccer better I will give you full disclosure right now.
So here's the parlay that I'm going with today. This
is in the Romania Belgium match. I think Belgium is
very overrated. They lost to Slovakia in their first match.
I'm hearing some discourse from inside the locker room. They're

(34:36):
not very happy with the coach. Blah blah, blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
So we're gonna fade Belgium today.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
We're gonna take this is like another one of my
correlated parlays where I kind of take something in the
first half and then kind of carry it through to
the end of the match. So we're gonna go double
chance in the first half, either Romania or draw.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Right, there's three results every soccer.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
Half you can go one side the other or the
draw is in play. We're gonna put the draw in
the mix here because I think zero zero first half,
one to one full time, even.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
One to zero Romania, I think is very much.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
In play here.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
So double chance first half Romania or draw, double chance
full game Romania or draw. Right, pretty simple parlay there,
and then the final leg of the parlay is just
Romania to score one goal. We need one stinking goal, Romania.
We need you to get home. If Slovakia can score
against Belgium, I think Romania can absolutely score against Belgium.

(35:34):
We had Turkey also score recently against this team. And
also Georgia, not Georgia, the SEC team, Georgia, the country.
So we will go Romania, draw first half, Romania, draw
full game Romania to score a goal, it's three to one.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
If bet MGM, it's correlated parlay.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Again, I stink at betting soccer, but it's a fun
sport and I really am excited about this Belgium Romania
match today.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Unbelievable. All I have to is football spelled with the
U boots and kids and a spirited match on the pitch.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
I mean Georgie is playing guys, but not the Georgia
we're used to talking about.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
I was gonna say, we all know what an SEC
defense will do with the Euros one.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Nothing over the Czech Republic.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
Right now, Georgia, not the Bulldogs, the other Georgia.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I've got two things.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
So you mentioned Belgium. It reminds me of a stupid story.
So I was in California. I was trying to make
my way to a forty nine ers game. This is
years and years ago. They were hosting the Dolphins, and
this was I can't even remember the year. This is around,
probably in the nineties, like the late nineties, early two thousands,

(36:49):
and so this is well before GPS and all that
good stuff. And so I couldn't find my way to
the stadium. And I pulled up next to a guy
in a van or something and I'm like, hey man,
you know where the forty nine ers stadium is? And
he looks at me and he goes.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I am from Belgium.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
So I always think of that story whenever Belgium is mentioned.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
And the other thing from Austin.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
He was Dutch, Yeah, he was Dutch. The other that
is a great reference.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
I think of what your parlay bladder here, Jared is
I'm trying to think of what's the most painful way
to lose a beat? I mean, really like outside of
the obvious, where whatever sport it is, you were right there,
it was going your way and then something crazy happens
and you lose.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I mean that's that's the obvious part.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
But like specifically, if you have named the team to
score one goal, right.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
And you're sitting there for ninety plus minutes and they.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Get close a couple of times and and they don't
score or one time, you know what I mean, Like,
that's gotta be up there on those soccers, it's most
painful ways.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, I tell people.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Soccer betting is is good to start because you're only
handicapping a lot of times one thing to happen, and
it's easy, right, Whereas in the NBA it's like one
hundred and two hundred things need to happen to hit
and over.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
But soccer is like you.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Can win a bet today, and I think I think
romania a score is like it's either even odds or
it's like, you know, like a reasonably priced bet.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
On both sides. That's it. That's why I like the year.
If you murfy right, like it's like one thing needs
to happen, that's it. The BET's over.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Like to me, that's a very simple handicap that a
lot of people can get involved with. But then you
sit there and watch a soccer match for ninety minutes and.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Probably be bored out of your skull.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, yeah, soccer is uh, it's it's I would argue
it's probably as painful to bet on as baseball, because
let's put it this way, Baseball is one of those
I don't know, it's a sport that'll make you furious
because on any given day, a team that scores zero runs.
I mean, you could set your watch, but it's like, okay,

(39:07):
it is noon o'clock. First pitch is going out in
ten minutes, and they are gonna score zero runs because
that's just the type of baseball team and they're going
against a great pitcher. They've got their race out there
against them. It's gonna go horribly wrong for this team,
and they end up running the pitcher from the mound
by the second inning and scoring twelve runs that day.

(39:28):
Like baseball, I would argue, is the most infuriating sport
to try to figure out. However, having said that, I
don't think I've ever placed a single dime on soccer.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
You should bet this, Carla, because I think it's hitty.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
I might, yeah, maybe I'll should do it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
But also, Brian, what's your least favorite and favorite sport
at least favorite sport.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
To bet from? Like an anger standpoint? Yeah, I have
my line right off the top my head.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Baseball has gotta be up.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Baseball's number one.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's not even yeah, it just peculiar stuff happens.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
All day, the balls and strikes. It's it's the most
it's the most least efficient way to manage a game.
And I don't know if you read recently, but they're
going to there.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
It looks like they're gonna go automated.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
So like reviews on balls and strikes, we should get
into that at some point. That could be a big
controversial thing if that gets approved.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I do like taking the Jeff Passon comment out of
context when he said this, check this. So this is
when one of the players got popped for betting on baseball.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
He said this, do not bet on baseball.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I think that's actually good advice for just anybody in general. Right, yeah,
cove it up a major change.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Are you a fan of it happening?

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yes, Happy Saturday to you.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
So there's more conversation about an eighteen game NFL schedule here,
and there is pushback from some of the players. Minka
Fitzpatrick of the Steelers, he's like, yeah, I don't know
about that, among others. I love this comment from Ryan Kelly.

(41:06):
So Ryan Kelly is the Colts Center. He's also on
the nflpa's executive committee.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
His comment caught my attention.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
He said, if they said, hey, you guys get seventy
percent of the revenue and we'll take thirty as owners,
a lot of guys would.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Sign up for that.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
And it's like, that's true, but that's not gonna happen
at all. And so you can see how this is happening.
The players are going to push back, the league is
going to push for it. It's just a matter of
time until there are eighteen games. And it is a
lot to ask as far as were in tear goes
and all that good stuff, But it's just a matter
of when this happens and how much the players get

(41:46):
in there on their side where this is a tug
of war negotiation. I don't know if the players get
anything great of note, hopefully they will, but eighteen games
gonna happen sooner than later.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with everything you just said. I
think it's going to play out almost exactly how you said.
The only thing I'll add is the players, most likely,
in my opinion, aren't going to be compensated nearly what
they deserve for this. Because if you think about this,
and I'll do the math in a second here, I'll

(42:20):
bust out a calculator and you if you break, if
you break down, what this ends up being in terms
of how much more they're working over the course of
a full year in comparison to you know, what they're
contracted to do currently or they were five years ago
before the expansion to a seven game schedule, for example.

(42:44):
It's it's let's put it this way, players are missing
out on hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars when
you add it all up, because you're adding more work
without compensating the players. I mean, it's not like the
contras have improved astronomically, even though the ownership are making

(43:05):
astronomically more money. I mean, that's the reality of the situation.
The salary cap. The salary cap. People act like it's
some arbitrary number that only rides it, Like the salary
cap can go up as much as the ownership wants
it to. But they've built a revenue share in place
where the owners obviously get a bigger slice of the

(43:25):
pie than the players do. And so the salary cap
is reflective of what networks will pay in rights deals.
You know, So the salary cap is arbitrary. The salary
cap could go up as much as the owners or
the players negotiate for and the problem is the players
keep getting beat And the reason is because it's such
a young union. When you lore the majority of the

(43:47):
union with a small dangling carrot as opposed to the
diamonds that are hidden in the cave behind the ownership,
you can get them to bite. For example, what would
this the biggest increase in revenue or i should say,
in salary for the players. In the last time they
negotiated the CBA, it was to have all minimum salary

(44:11):
players eventually earn a million dollars minimum salary. And now listen,
I don't want to insult anybody. I completely understand that
a million dollars a year in terms of salary is
an incredible amount of money, and nobody should stick their
nose up at that. I'm not saying that. I mean
that is life changing money for the vast majority of

(44:33):
Americans and frankly people around the world. However, having said that,
compared to the amount of money, the boat loads and
wheelbarrels of money that the owners are making over the
ten years that was struck this last collective bargain agreement,
it pales in comparison. So that's the reality of the situation,

(44:57):
is Brian, You're one hundred percent right. We will eventually
get to an eight t game schedule, and the only
thing I'll add to the negotiation part of it is
the players who are gonna get beat real bad here unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
So I was doing some reading about this story, and
I think there's two ways to look at it right now.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Like when I have a problem in.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
My mind, anxiety starts to take over and I usually
try to stop myself and say, is this a problem
for today or is this a.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Future Jared problem? This is a future NFL prob This.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Isn't gonna happen until like the twenty thirty one season.
So and again, maybe the CBA gets very briskly renegotiated
before then. But from everything I'm reading, this won't happen
until the current CBA expires, which is March of twenty
thirty one. So let's just operate in the vacuum that

(45:52):
this isn't happening for seven more years. All right, A
lot of things could be Think about where you were
seven years ago in twenty seventy, Rich you were, you
still playing.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
In the NFL. Seven years ago, I was fresh out.
Let's put it this way. Seven years ago was my
first year as a broadcaster, So it was the first
year in a new role, in a new job.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
Yeah, I was getting ready to drop down on one
knee and propose to my girlfriend, while also leaving broadcasting
to go into the financial services industry and become a
financial advisor at Merrill Lynch. That's how long ago seven
years was in my life, almost another lifetime, to the

(46:38):
point where I view that Jared as like alternate reality. Jared,
he doesn't even exist anymore. So let's just again operate
in the reality that this won't happen for seven more years,
very hard to grasp where we are as a society.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
If society's even still.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Floating, if we're still floating on this rock spinning around
the universe here in the next seven years, then we'll
worry about it.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Then.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Okay, now the second part, let's act like it's.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
Here, right and we're in an eighteen game schedule.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
What does it look like? Double bye weeks. I think
that's an interesting concept.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
And I'll even give Joe Burrow a shout because I
read an offshoot article on CBS sports dot com this
week where he was talking about a mid season by
where perhaps everyone is off and you stick the All
Star game right, an All Star break, so to say,
in the middle of the.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Season, which kills two birds with one stone.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Because the Pro Bowl is like this hanging chad we
can't get rid of right now, we have no idea
what to do with it.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
So again, maybe the eighteen game schedule.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
On the surface, it looks very daunting, and I'm sure
the CBA is going to be a very hot button
topic when it does get renegotiated. But perhaps there are
other wrinkles that this could iron out. And I know
the lengthy schedule scares a lot.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Of the players.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I'm not a player.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
I don't know what it really is like to go
through this every week. I look at it from a
very different perspective. But from my perspective, from the betting standpoint,
from the congruent nature of the schedule, and getting a
little bit more rest for these guys during the season,
I think it's kind of a net positive.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Who was saying that about Joe Burrow?

Speaker 5 (48:18):
It it was an article that I read, So I
was reading an article about the story this week, and
then it linked back to an old Joe Burrow article
from may Oh Gotcha where he said that Joe had
an idea that the players need more rest. They get
the double bye week, and maybe they put the All
Star break in the middle there, and they give everyone
a bye week in the middle of the season, which
I think is actually a really good idea. I think
it's a horrible idea. They would never do that. Why

(48:42):
that's the thing the double buys. I think there would
be two bye weeks. That makes it happense to me.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah, but for there's no games, like we're just taking
the week off. They're playing games on Wednesday. You know
what I'm saying? Just to have games on Christmas Day.
There's no the whole way they're gonna take.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
An entire week because of the whole Christmas Day and
the Wednesday games and the Friday game that they're playing
week one. Like, I think the traditional Sunday format is
completely I think the NFL wants to have games on
every day, like honestly, every single day.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Eventually they'll get your field no way, no wayday, Wednesday, Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
They're not playing on Tuesday and Wednesday, and they're not
doing that. It's never gonna happen. I hear that, like
Florio has talked about that, where they're gonna have games
every single.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
They're gonna I don't know if it's gonna happen, but
they will definitely try. They want to take over every
game every season, every month.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
That's why. Yeah, the way the way they'll roll it
out is Brian, I think what what they'll do eventually
one year, I don't know. Maybe they'll wait until you
know schedule or I should yeah, schedule expansion to eighteen games.
You might see a situation where it's like a trial
week where they go coming up the week of December.
Whatever we're gonna do one game per day Sunday through

(49:55):
some you know, and it's gonna be one of those.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Situations for seven football exactly, and the way I am kickoff,
Yeah right, they're gonna see how it looks.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
But all right, so schedule expansion to eighteen games on
its face, what I'll say is this, outside of like
the argument about the players are gonna be undercompensated, and
classically players are in all these league, strengths of unions
have really diminished outside of the NBA compared to the
amount of power the ownership has. But getting to the

(50:28):
actual gameplay, what makes football so unique at the college
level and the pro level is urgency. Every single game matters.
The reason why we don't see wholesale star players taking
games off in the NFL is because every single game matters.
In baseball, you could take chunks of the season off

(50:50):
and have close to zero effect if you're a star
player in basketball. Same thing in football. If you're not available,
you are going to ruin your team opportunity to have success.
There's a point of diminishing returns. NBA absolutely found it
eighty two way too many games in the regular season
midjor league baseball. I mean they've blown past that point

(51:12):
of diminishing returns years and years and years ago, one
hundred and sixty two games. My goodness. A lot of
people think it's cool, Baseball purists think it's a war
of attrition, and I think it's dumb. I think it's nonsensical.
I think the most exciting season in my lifetime was
the pandemic shortened sixty game baseball schedule really one hundred percent,

(51:32):
because it felt like the playoffs every day. It felt
like every single series was impactful. So getting back to
the original point, the crux of the matter, which is
an eighteen game schedule, I don't know if that's the
point of diminishing returns where Patrick Mahomes can miss two
regular season games if the Chiefs are good enough and
still have a great chance to perform in the postseason.

(51:55):
But we're getting there, Folks like we're gonna add too
many games here? Of ev is it eighteen? I'm not sure.
Some people made the argument that it could be seventeen games.
That seems to have worked out, but they're getting there,
and if they had too many games, it's gonna end
up just like baseball, it's gonna end up just like basketball,
we're gonna be having the load management to debate on

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NFL Sundays. And I'm telling you right now, the day
that happens is the day the NFL starts dying, just
like these other sports leagues.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, I don't know if eighteen gets us there.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
Though, I don't know if eighteen gets us to a
load management situation.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I think if we get past twenty, that's.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
Where I think it gets a bit absurd because if
you think about like eighteen, like it's a nice round
like they had a nice round number with sixteen.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I remember when they went from.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Sixteen to seventeen, and like your brain trying to figure
out the records always got screwed up because it's like, wait,
can they be five hundred eight and eight? Right?

Speaker 1 (52:54):
The whole Mike Tomlin five hundred thing went through a whole.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Leak like it just it felt like it was a
It was a move, but it wasn't like a crazy move.
It was just an odd move in terms of an
odd number. I like getting back to an even number.
I think it makes things a little bit more congruent. Again,
you can kind of cookie cutter the season. You get
the extra bye week, you get a super Bowl on
President's Day weekend, which means it's a federal holiday the Monday,

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which has always been what people have been clamoring for. Like,
I think the Labor Day to President's Day like it
fits nicely in that box. I think when we go
past that, like, eighteen's inevitable. Guys, eighteen is happening. We're
going to an eighteen game schedule. It's just a matter
of when the question is, now, do we even take
it past that? That's where I will start to push back.

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I'm okay with eighteen. I think there's a lot of
things on the surface that makes sense. But I think
when we come past that point, that's where I think
your load management debate really starts to come into the equation.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, I think that's the ceiling. I really a douse.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
I agree, if we're talking north of eighteen, it's weld
down the road and like, I'm not gonna put it
past them are as greedy as can be. But yeah, I
do think eighteen is a realistic ceiling. And it's funny too,
because there's been conversation this week about maybe a quarterback
salary cap. We think about this, right, they're talking about

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maybe an eighteen game schedule. And at the same time,
there's a little bit of talk about a quarterback salary
cap where you could make no more than twenty five
percent of your team's salary cap. So I think that's interesting, right,
those two things at the same time, where this is
classic NFL. They're trying to make more money while not

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giving the players their fair share of the cash.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Where it's like, we don't.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Want to pay over twenty five percent to these quarterbacks
these contracts where they canna be making like eighty million
dollars per year, and it's like, well, yeah, if that's
the money that's generated and that's the going rate, yeah,
that's what they're going to make. And there are some
team owners that looking at trying to suppress that. So
kind of interesting how both those things are happening at

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the same time, discussion of an eighteen game schedule but
also a quarterback salary cap at the same time.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Yeah, yeah, quarterback salary cap I think will probably help
the salary cap guys and the owners wrap their head
around some of what has become the biggest debate. How
can we build the team while also appeasing this this
insane I like I did last week, like I always do,

(55:35):
when we talk quarterback salaries, it does feel like the
housing market, Like if you're going to buy a home
in Beverly Hills during a high in during a high market,
I mean, you're gonna be paying prices so well beyond
what these actual structures are worth because of the plot
of land they exist on. It seems ridiculous. And that's

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where we've gotten to with the quarterback space. You are
now basically robbing Peter to pay Paul. You're saying to
yourself like, how can I how can I keep this
one player who is an integral part of this whole
operation's propensity for success extremely happy while building a roster

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around them? Like, these two things don't compute right now.
So I do think there needs to be put. There
needs to be some sort of governor put on this market.
Otherwise it's going to just race off a cliff and
we're heading there fast with some of these quarterback salaries.
In terms of team building, Look, I'm a fan of
players getting paid with their worth, and I think these quarterbacks,

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you can make the argument that they're worth what they're
getting paid considering the amount of money they make for
their franchises. When a franchise handles a great quarterback and
play as well with them, See the Chiefs, see the
Patriots over two decades, like it works, but at the
same token, it's runaway freight train right now.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Well, here's the thing about the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
So the NFL needs this, The NFL absolutely needs this.
But here's why it's not gonna happen soon because already
I'm looking at the list right now of the top
contract values in the NFL. Yeah, fourteen of the top
fifteen are quarterbacks. The only non quarterback is Nick Bosa,
and it's not it's like he's barely in the top fifteen,

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like by like ten million dollars. Well, what that tells
me is that half of the team, right, fifteen quarterbacks
basically have already been paid. So that's like half the teams.
So if half of the owners have already dished out
the dough for these quarterbacks, and now we're going to
change the rule, that is very advantageous for the fifteen.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Teams that have not paid their quarterbacks yet.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
So I just I think I think this is one
of those things that feels like a fair move. But
you've got half and remember the owners decide this. You've
got thirty rich people in a thirty two rich people
in a room. Half of them have already dished out
hundreds of millions of dollars for their quarterback. The other
half are still kind of in la la land. Which

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half do you think is gonna vote for the salary cap?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
And which bat do you think is it? That's the
part I struggle with this story.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
That is Jared Smith FSR betting analyst Rich Ornberger Penn
styed All American with us. I'm Brian No coming up next,
Monster ratings or Monster Ratings, we'll explain. It's Fox Sports
Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox
Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. So tomorrow

(58:39):
we'll have the Indiana Fever against the Chicago Sky, right,
Caitlin Clark against Angel Reese yet again. And so the
last game between these two teams, big ratings. So it
was the most watched WNBA game on any network in
twenty three years. So that's impressive. And now, not trying

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to be a hater here, but I read the fine print,
and you guys tell me what you think. Okay, So
read the fine print, and this is on CBS right
nationally televised game averaged two point twenty five million viewers
and again, most watched WNBA game in twenty three years.
So on one hand, that's great, that's progress. It's to

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be celebrated. This is really cool. Even the Indiana fever
last night they played Atlanta in the Hawks Arena. They
sold out an NBA arena. That's awesome. So there's real progress.
But I'd be lying to you if I didn't stop
and think this is a soccer thing. Soccer in this
country does this all the time where they're like, oh,
this is the highest rated game in the last fifteen years,

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and you're like wow, and you're like how many people,
ah a million? And you know change and you're like, okay,
you're comparying yourself to yourself. So I look at this
and even though it's positive and there's momentum and there's
progress and that's awesome, it does tell me that over
twenty three years, this league has been boring for a
long time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
So I want to see.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Coupled with hey, most watched telecast in twenty three years,
I want to see a number. Eventually we might get
there where your eyes bug out and you say, whoa
seven million? Like we were talking about women's college basketball
and those were legitimate numbers. We're talking like twelve million
people and upwards. That's what I want to see eventually

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for the WNBA, And it's gonna take some time, but
that's what I want to see, along with the fancy,
you know, like a window dressing of most watched in
twenty three years. I think you have to read the
fine print at the same time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
Yeah, I definitely agree with that. I think when you are,
for example, and Jared, you worked in finance, you know
this better than anybody. When you are promoting a you're
gonna talk about the wins. You will. You will never
talk about the losses, you know, unless you're making a
bet on losses. You know, when you're when you're working

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in entertainment and you're talking about an actor or an
actress you're trying to get a role for, You're not
going to talk about the box office disasters. You're going
to highlight the supporting cast roles that maybe this actor
or actress had that really popped off. You know, well,
what happened that one time when they carried the movie

(01:01:31):
in that horror flick? How well did that one. Let's
not talk about that. Do you remember when they played
the the Goofy fun Friend and that other one? Yeah,
that's the one I want you to concentrate on. It's
a little slight of hand here with the w NBA,
is what I'm trying to say. But it's important if
you're the commissioner the executives of this league to promote

(01:01:52):
it this way and to talk about the stars and
to talk about, you know, the the turmoil between the
star players and or the good things that are happening,
whether it be community outreach, et cetera. Here's the problem.
How many years in this country have we been told
that soccer was going to be was going to take

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over the United States?

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Do you do two thousand and four?

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Yeah, there you go. It's been a while. It's been
two decades.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
And MLS, I mean it's barely a blip on the radar.
And listen, I know we have a lot of soccer
fans in our listening audience, and I know that that's
a strong and growing community. However, international soccer, still to
this day in this country, is more important to soccer

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viewers than MLS soccer. It just it hasn't even come
close to scratching the surface yet. And then in turn,
and by the way, and and international soccer watching in
this country pales in comparison to the interest in college football,
college basketball, pro football, pro basketball, NHL, and w NBA
is in that world, they are carnival barkers trying to

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get people under the tent. They are, and by the way,
so is Roger Goodell, and so is Adam Silver, and
so are all these league executives and commissioners. But they're
trying to get more people under the tent, and they're
they're championing their stars, and they're talking about their great ratings.
But the truth is they're still there's still not even

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a blip on the radar. Now that doesn't mean that
can't change, and it doesn't mean that it won't, but
right now, there's limited interest in the w NBA still,
And they are putting more promotion behind this league than
they have ever put behind this league in the history
of this league's existence. And it's I mean, it's still

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a whisper in a crowded audience.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
I think that the success of the league long term
will be determined by how well some of these young
stars perform, right, I think the name gets you in
the door. I say this about broadcasting talent all the time.
Your name and who you know will get you the opportunity,
But if you're not good, you will not keep that

(01:04:12):
opportunity for long. I think the same could be said
about this situation right now. Right we're hearing a lot
of buzz about Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, and you know,
even Cameron Brink. I hope she recovers from her acl injury.
She was another young star came into the league this
year and was very popular.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
How those stars.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
Perform on the big stage will be determined on the
long term view.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
I'll give you you made the finance reference, Rich, I'll give.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
You my favorite quote from one of my favorite movies,
Wolf of Wall Street Jordan Belford.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
I never asked my clients to judge me on my winners.
I asked them to judge me on my losers because
I have so few.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Like that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
That is the Carnival Barker's mentality. They're going to mention
that they have losers and then say I have so
few of them right afterwards. And I think that's kind
of what we're doing here with the ratings thing, Like
it's kind of the WNBA is kind of telling on
themselves by putting out this pr awesome, amazing ratings, but

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the bar was so low we're obviously gonna exceed it
with what's happening, Like anybody could fall out of bed
and exceed these ratings with all the buzz going around
the WNBA.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
But again, will they be able to keep this audience?

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
The audience is captivated right now national media is talking
about the WNBA, but how the league performs, Like when
people go to the games and I've been to a
game here in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
The Vegas games are very entertaining.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
Obviously Vegas is a show, and I think you look
at some of the other arenas around the league and
they're packed and that's great, But can they sustain the momentum?

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Is this going to be a one and done kind
of year for the WNBA?

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
And then after the Caitlin Clark buzz kind of right,
the tidal wave comes in and then as it recedes,
will there be any residue from it? Will we be
able to stick around and watch this league over the
long haul? Or is the product not good enough yet?
I'm kind of leaning to the ladder right now. I
don't think the product is good enough yet, but I
think this year is a good year in improving the product.

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So I hope we take a positive step, but I
don't think we're there yet.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
You know, you talk about improving the product, there's no
improvement that needs to take place concerning Isaac Loewenkron right
like he is perfection personified and he's got a new
update for us right here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Just just listen and you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 8 (01:06:45):
So kind of you, and at the same time, you
clearly have not spoken to my wife anytime. Last night,
in Game six of the Stanley Cup Final, it was
the power of Snoop dog because on Thursday, Snoop Dogg
was performing at Rogers' Place in Edmonton and during the

(01:07:06):
show he guaranteed that the Oilers would win Game six
of the Stanley Cup Final. Last night, and here's what happened.
Bart Golf had it lost it. We've got an empty net,
Ryan McCleod, to seal it, Caterstal.

Speaker 10 (01:07:21):
There will be a Game seven of the Stanley Cup
Final Sunday night at Sunrise EF four, Florida.

Speaker 8 (01:07:29):
What the call on cched is the Oilers would add
another empty net marker and win it five to one,
so they have indeed come all the way back from
a three games to non deficit to tie the series
at three, forcing that game seven on Monday night at Florida,
becoming the first team to rally from three games to
none to force a Game seven in a Stanley Cup
final since the Detroit Red Wings in nineteen forty five,

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and will try to join the nineteen forty two Toronto
Maple Leafs is the only teams to rally from a
three games to non deficit to win Lord Stanley's Cup.
In Major League Baseball, Friday Night, Angels over the Dodgers
in ten innings, three to two, despite shohey Otani's National
League leading twenty second home run his seventh and eleven games.
Jake Croninworth of Riches padres five for five of the

(01:08:14):
home run and a nine to five win over the Brewers.
The Oakland A's defeated the Minnesota Twins six to five.
The winning pitcher for Oakland, Sean Newcombe, got the win
despite technically not facing a single batter. He came in
with two outs in the top of the eighth inning,
picked off a Minnesota runner to end the inning, and

(01:08:34):
the A's then scored two in the bottom of the
eighth to get Nucombe the win. Finally, Soccer, right now
at Euro twenty four, Georgia and the Czech Republic tied
at one in the seventy fourth minute. Fellas all yours.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
I Low.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
It is Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio.
So uh remember the whole Super Bowl ring snaffou with
the Kansas City Chiefs. These are just sparkling new Super
Bowl fifty eight Championship rings, and on the inside it

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had the mistake it had the Miami Dolphins listed as
a seven seed.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
When they were a sixth seed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Not the end of the world, right, but these rings
cost a ton of cash, you know, and so you
want to be precise to make sure everything is correct.
But there was something that Travis Kelsey said on the
New Heights podcast about this whole situation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Check this out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
One major little goof on the ring.

Speaker 11 (01:09:34):
Miami is listed as the seventh seed because it has
you all the games you guys had to win to
get there. Miami was actually the sixth seed. I guess
it just that's just the way the ring is. Nobody's
gonna get are you gonna get it fixed?

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
That we didn't give a what seed?

Speaker 12 (01:09:55):
Yeah, there were seven who cares.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
They could have done no seeds on the side of them.
I would have been.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
That's my thing.

Speaker 12 (01:10:01):
Yeah, I think it makes it more unique, like oh yeah,
and we we made it really detailed and oops, we
screwed up. Just makes it more exclusive, like something we
screwed up about something that means nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
It's hard to argue with that, right. I think it's
the right attitude as far you can't change it now.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well listen, I would want to correct
though when oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Trust me, somebody in that organization got harangued, got got
taken off of ring, you know, holy cow. But but
I will say this about about football, which reflects life,
which obviously this is more of a slice of life
story than it is a football story. But the reason
why I fell in love with the sport is because football,

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like Tom Brady said in that Patriots Ring of Honor
jersey retirement speech, it's hard, and it's it takes a
tremendous amount of determination just really to keep your head
above water. In the NFL, it takes a tremendous amount
of sacrifice just to be a guy in that league. Now,

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if you're going to soar above the rest individually, it's
going to take miles and miles of effort and having
intangible talent that either you're kind of born with, innately have,
or can foster and grow into something great. And obviously
the Chiefs have an abundance of that at the quarterback
position right now and across their roster. And the guy

(01:11:32):
you just heard from, Travis Kelcey, obviously born with some
of that intangible talent that he's been able to mold
and shape into championships now. And I use the plural
because he has three rings. I will say this isn't
it true of everybody? Like when you have your first success,
it's extraordinarily meaningful. You'll focus in on every single detail

(01:11:57):
of that success because it's your first time. But after
having multiple successes, like the Chiefs right now, they're on
to their third Super Bowl ring, so maybe a little
you know, typo on the ring isn't all that important.
You know, you can start sort of smudging some of
the details and being like, yeah, I'll do it, you know,
because that is the reality of the situation. This guy,
I mean he can. I mean they're collecting rings like pokemon.

(01:12:21):
You know, you gotta catch them all. It's unbelievable. So
it doesn't shock me at all that that's by and
large the reaction that we're hearing from the Chiefs, and
I think it's authentic. I don't think Travis Kelcey is
protecting the Chiefs at all. I think he would have
probably stated if he was unhappy with the typo. I
think it's less important to him because it's it's the

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reality of being up in Vegas. Jared or Brian and
everybody has felt this. You're at the crafts table and
you make an insane run. All of a sudden, the
tips get a little bit bigger to the lady or
the guy with the stick in his hand, right, you
know it's the chips become less meaningful when you have
so many of them.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
Yeah, I think Travis's reaction is I think the way
healthy emotionally balanced human should react when something goes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Wrong, which is not to freak out, Oh my god,
it's the end of the world. It control what you
can control. Travis had no control over the situation.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
He was given the ring.

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
He opened the box, it was wrong, Like what is
he supposed to do? Throw the ring back in the
guy's face, like, screw you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
I don't want this. Like it's kind of like all right, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Almost like this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
It's almost like this.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
I'll make the comparison for the average human out there
because I have never been given a Super Bowl ring before, so.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
I can't relate.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
You're at the diner, you're starving, you haven't eaten dinner,
you haven't eaten anything all day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
You'll order turkey and cheese on rye.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
And they give you turkey and cheese on wheat. You're starving,
you're really hungry. It's an obvious difference rye bread wheat bread.
But is it that big of a difference to where
you're gonna make us think and give the meal back
and not just devour your food because you're starving. No,
you're probably gonna say what ninety nine percent of Americans
would say, Oh right, I'm hunger. I'm just gonna eat

(01:14:13):
the wheat bread. I mean, maybe there's a Karen out there.
And my mom's name is Karen. I love you, Karen,
But maybe there's a Karen out there that would send them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
That would send the.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
Bread back and get the ride bread. But most people,
they're hungry, they want a meal. Food is placed in
front of them. Majority of what they ordered is correct.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
It's just the type of.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Bread is wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
They're gonna eat the sandwich, right, Like, that's kind of
what this feels like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I like it because I don't
want to get too philosophical here.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Yeah, but a lot of times people complain about stuff
that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things,
you know. And I like this attitude by Travis Kelcey
because he could have been like, we we fought so
hard and our blood, sweat and tears that they messed
up the seed and oh my gosh, why would they
do this. He's like, that's fine. I don't care at all.

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It makes it more exclusive.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
I actually like it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
So it's a nice lesson of not everything in life
is gonna be perfect, and you just got to roll
with some stuff every now and then.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
It's the lemons lemonade, right when life gives you lemon.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Yeah, yeah, that's that solid is just go with it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Five and twenty nine diamonds and the wrong seed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Someone had to get fired for that though, right, Like probably.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Yeah, probably, that's a good point. The one making the mistake.
I doubt everybody was like stuff happens, oh yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Yeah, because yeah, And by the way, for that person,
my heart breaks for you because there are certain people
in an organization that come and go, and you know,
and sometimes somebody's given a responsibility that's beneath them and
maybe they don't spend enough time with it. But something
like this, you know, somebody you know, was was asked

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to do this work and there's details that involved. Then
all these things out are that matter, and like gosh,
to get something like that wrong, I mean, that could
be a career defining moment for somebody else, you know,
So I do my heart does break for whoever made
that mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Right all right, that's Rich Rorenberger, Penn State All American.
Jared Smith with us FSR betting analyst. I'm bring in
no coming up next, a little bit of bonding time
over here, we look at the prop bet market and
compare notes. That's on the way. It's Fox Sports Saturday
right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday,
right here on Fox Sports Radio. We have no time

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to waste. Let's dive into this.

Speaker 9 (01:16:40):
Prop it up player plays Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Prop bets galore. We'll start with you, Jared, what do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
You like back to the pitch, Let's go. We love
the soccer today, So this match starts in an hour.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
I would get this in now, but we are betting
Christiano Ronaldo to store a goal today against Turkey.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
So he didn't have a goal in the last match.

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
It was a tight match between Portugal and Czech Republic,
but he did have the most shots, the most shots
on target, the most shots.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Inside the box.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
I mean, Ronaldo is just a prolific goal scorer. Hasn't
gotten one yet in the Euro I think he gets
one today. Of course, Portugal facing Turkey, and we just
told you in the last hour. Georgia scored on Turkey
in the last match. Not the SEC Georgia, the country Georgia.
If Georgia can score on Turkey, I'm very comfortable that
Portugal and Christian Ronaldo can get at least one against

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the Turkish side in about an hour or so.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Okay, very good, I'm gonna stick with baseball. I'm focusing
on this Milwaukee Brewers, San Diego Padres matchup. Manny Machado's
been hot lately. He's on a little bit of a
mini streak, and he's been dealing with a nagging elbow
injury from offseason surgery, but he's been hot lately, so
I'm gonna stick with it. Total hits runs in RBIs

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I have the over locked in at one and a half,
and then we're gonna turned the pag to the Milwaukee
Brewers side of the matchup with Christian Yelich, who I
like him stealing one bag today, so I'm gonna take
over a half stolen base. And here's the reason why.
If Higgy behind the plate for the Padres gets the
day off, it's gonna be Campisano, who's got a slow

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trigger thrown a second. So give me Yelich grabbing a
bag against the Padres today.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Okay, all right, So I'm gonna start off with puck
over here. Okay, looking at Connor McDavid. So he did
nothing last game, which is the exception because he has
been unbelievable in the playoffs, and he did something in
the previous two games that has never been done in

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Stanley Cup final history. He had back to back four
point performances now again. A goose egg last game last night,
I think he rebounds. Give me over one and a
half points for Connor McDavid in Game seven.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
And then I've got my eyes right on Otani.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Otani magic over here as he goes against his former team,
had the home run last night. I'm looking at him. Man,
is this crazy the RBI market? It's point five and
it's like the over is minus one thirty five. You
typically don't see that at all. It's almost always plus money.

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Give me Otani to drive in a run today against
the Angels.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
I see him having another big game.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
You guys want one more from baseball?

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Yeah, let's hear a baseball He went to Jared.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
I love this guy, Jared Jones. I hear this stupid
phrase all the time because people.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Are like, oh, he went to Jared and it's minarium.
Oh I've never heard that before.

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
But this Jared Jones kid actually is a really impressive
young arm for the Pirates. The one thing that scares
about him long term is that he's kind of a
two pitch guy, which is not good when you're facing
a team multiple times. Right, you've been in the league
for a couple of years, teams eventually catch up to you.
But he's pitching against the Rays today. It's an inter
league matchup. He's never faced the Rays before. I think

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he goes over five and a half strikeouts. It's a
relatively low number, which scares me. We've seen a lot
of handle to the over. It's a pretty juiced number.
You might want to parlay it with something else. It's
like minus one fifty ish in that range. But to me,
six strikeouts. They've kind of lowered his number lately because
he's again had some rough starts because the book's kind
of out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
But I think this is a good number to get
in on. Jared Jones over five and alf kids.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Okay, all right, coming up next, I would like to
retire a sports conversation permanently.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Oh what's going on? Happy Saturday to you? You know
what fellas?

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
I would like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
A sports conversation to be officially retired. Okay, Now, granted
this might not be.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
The best timing to make this stand, but.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
I love when you start thinks like that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Guys are open minded.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
I think that, Yeah, doing this show for two years,
hear what I'm saying here. So I go back to
this is any best of seven series. So you could
look at the Stanley Cup Final, you could look at
the NBA Finals. Let's go back to the NBA Finals.
Heading into Game five, all right, the MAVs had just

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crushed the Celtics in Game four. They won by thirty
eight points. They're still trailing in the series three games
to one. Yet there were a lot of conversations of man,
the pressures on the Celtics in Game five. They don't
want to go back to Dallas for a Game six.
I can tell you that much. And I'm just sitting
there like, really, are we really doing this? If Dallas

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loses Game five, the series is freaking over. There's more
pressure on Dallas now. If you apply this to last
night in the Stanley Cup Final, I think the same thing.
The conversations though, oh man, the pressure is on Florida
to close this out. They don't want to go to
a game seven. That's true, but there's more pressure on

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Edmonton or whoever is facing elimination. Okay, if you lose
this game and you're eliminated, your season is done. The
dream is dead. There is more pressure on you to
execute now. Florida lost last night guess what, They're still
favored to win Game seven at home. So you can't

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sit here and tell me there's more pressure on the
Panthers when they had more margin for error last night.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
Now they aired and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
We're going to Game seven.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
But it just kills me when these teams that are
facing elimination and people say, oh, no, no, it's the
other team that has more pressure on them.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
No, it isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
That's not the case. And I would love for that
conversation to be officially retired.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Yeah. You know, pressure is so subjective really, and it's
like it really does depend what type of person you are,
you know, or the culture of your team, or the
personality of your head coach or manager. There's so many
factors that get added to the to the equation. I

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agree with you. I don't think it's always that way now,
I don't think. I don't think that it's also always
the opposite direction. I think it just depends on the
situation and it is completely circumstantial, and I definitely think
that it's subjective. I think it changes from team to team,
from player to player. I mean, even within that locker room,

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there's gonna be different people with different philosophies on the
amount of pressure that they're feeling. And I'm talking about
both sides, yeah, versus the other. So I agree with you.
I don't see it as black and white, it's one
way or the other. I see it as I mean,
it's really both individually different, but even from a team
culture standpoint, it can be vastly different from what the

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narrative is trying to display.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Yeah, so the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
And I've never played in a Stanley Cup final or
even a professional sp like. I've never even I remember
one time, Rich and you would appreciate this. During my
time covering Penn State football for the college you know circuit,
we worked in media tandems of certain classes. I remember
the last two minutes of the game, they would let
the media onto the field and I was nineteen years

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old stepping onto the field at Beaver Stadium. I forget
which game it was. It was not a high profile game.
It was like a mid season Big ten game against
like a like Iowa or something. And I remember one
hundred thousand people in the stands.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
I remember the.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
Feeling of any time the crowd would elevate and my
heart rate would go so long story short, I cannot
imagine the feeling of going onto the ice and skating
during a Stanley Cup final, the adrenaline, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
But these guys are pros.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
They do this every night, they do this for a living,
so there's probably not as much of that nervous enthusiasm
as we would maybe think because they are professionals.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
But it also is a Stanley Cup final.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
But the reason why I do think Edmonton has less
pressure Brian, so I guess I'll disagree with a little
bit is they were down three to zero in the series.
It's house money at that point, like everyone thought the
series was over, and I think that might allow I
honestly think being down three to zero in the series,
this sounds absolutely nuts, but I'm about to say it,

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and you guys get roast me for it later. I
think going down three zero in the series was the
best thing that happened to the Oilers because it just
like there was obviously a lot of pressure, right you
were feeling the entire weight of a country on your shoulders.
Canada hasn't won a Cup at how many years? And
then you come out and you lay an absolute egg.
You go down three to zero in a series, even
when they were down two to oh going back home.

(01:25:56):
I think the most pressure Edmonton's probably felt in the
series is that Game three and they didn't play well.
They got beat and they lost, and they were down
three to zero, and at that point everyone thought the
series was over. Well, if the series is over, you
can just relax and go play hockey, and that's what
they've done for three straight games, and now it's a
series again.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
I think in Game seven, I think now.

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
The pressure is back on Edmonton because now you've gotten
back in the series. And frankly, the way that the
market's pricing this game, they think Edmonton's gonna win. Florida's
been a minus one twenty, minus one thirty favorite for
these home games.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Now it's a really tight line in Game seven.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
They are really pricing in the momentum here and that
puts a lot more press the Oilers, frankly, because you
get a certain amount of home ice vibe for your number.
The market's kind of telling you that Edmonton is supposed
to win this game like they are favorite. In terms
of if it was played on neutral ice, Edmonton would.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Be the favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
And that is they've got the pressure now on them.
So I think when the series started, obviously pressure on
both sides. I think that Game three in Edmonton was
probably the most pressure the Oilers felt down two oh.
Then they obviously relaxed and played their game. And now
we've got a series again. It'll be I'm telling you
that first period on Monday night is going to be

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popcorn ready. Well, I think whoever wins that first period
is absolutely winning the game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Okay, Now here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Sometimes I turn into a bowl who sees red? When
would I hear the phrase house money. I'm trying not
to be that guy, you know, but is it not?

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
But do you think that the Oilers down three to oh,
relaxed and just said screw it, we're gonna That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
I think that's I agree with you, But I think
it's just the phrase.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
That's that's where I my horns, you know, point toward
that phrase and I just start charging at it because
I think they probably reached e fit territory, you know
what I mean, Like they're down three to oh, it's
like ef it, Let's just go out there and give
them hell and whatever happens happens, you know. I think
they reached naked gym guy territory, where it's like, you know,

(01:28:09):
it's screwed, I'm just gonna air dry here.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
So I think that's different than house money because I
take it so literally, where literally, if you're at a
casino and you're up and then you lose a little
bit of that money, it literally is house money. You
lost their money back to them. I never applied that
to sports because you're talking about a Stanley Cup Final.
When's Edmonton gonna reach one again? There's no guarantee they

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reach one for the next five or ten years. They might,
but they're not guaranteed to even be in this position again.
So it's not like if they lost Game four, it's like, well,
you know whatever, no one expected us to win the series, no, biggie,
you know what I mean. Like, that's the literal side
of me where I think we're saying the same thing
in different ways. Yeah, Edmonton just reached e fit territory

(01:28:57):
and it might have helped him a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
And and and it's a swinging scale, and like I said,
and it varies from play to player, team to team,
But I think I think if you're if you're anger
or ire is specifically toward the idea of house money,
whether that's you know, an illusion or an actual property,
or a way of thinking for teams or players, or

(01:29:20):
even for gamblers people out of casino. I'm fine with
that because there are definitely like terms or or turns
of phrase that rubbed me the wrong way. Also, I
would say this the way I would describe it when
when you you are in a situation like Edmonton was
in Game four is it's almost there's a looseless there's

(01:29:43):
a looseness with with the feeling of like, you know what,
we've tried to be tight, or we've tried to do this,
We've tried to do that. Maybe we've just tried too hard.
Like there's a little bit like some I know this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Sounds chasing the girl at the bar, let her come
to you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
Exactly. Oh my god, that is the perfect comparison. That
is the exactly like when when all of a sudden
you have a case of the efforts at work, sometimes
you come up with the idea like at lunch, you know,
because you're like, as screw this place, you know what,
I'm gonna start taking longer lunches and all of a sudden,

(01:30:24):
you run into one of your supervisor supervisors at the
same Applebee's bar, and he goes, you know, and you're
making them laugh because you're just in one of those moods.
You're like, I don't care if I keep this job
or not. And he goes, you know what, buddy, I
see potential in you. You know what, we have a
pan of gerial position opening up, and you know, all
of a sudden, you're just like, whoa. It's like Peter

(01:30:44):
from Office Space, you know, like the less he cared,
the more the Bob's loved him. You know what I mean.
You know the girl at the bar, Like you just said, Jared,
I'm telling you, in locker rooms sometimes the best locker
rooms I've ever been in. And I'm talking about on
some of the most successful teams. And this is gonna
sound really weird and counterintuitive, like when during my time

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with the Patriots, that was some of the loosest pregame
locker rooms I've ever been in because we felt like
we we had everything we needed, like now we just
have to go out there and have fun. Like practice
was miserable. Bill Belichick made it that way, you know,
like the games felt a lot easier, so you could
be loose. And I think Edmonton probably played a little

(01:31:26):
tight for the opening three games and then they caught
a case of the efforts. I almost slipped. They caught
a they caught a case of the efforts, and they said,
they said, you know what, I'm gonna go in this
meeting with the bobs and I'm just gonna tell them
a little bit about me, and I'm just gonna I'm
gonna tell them all the things that are wrong here

(01:31:46):
at you know whatever the name of the corporate you know,
paper pushing company they were working at, you know, the
software company, and it worked out for them. And so
they're carrying that momentum now into Game seven. The trick
is now they can't get tight again. They got to
play with that same looseness they played for the past
three nights during the Stanley Cup final.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
That's what makes this a very tricky handicap. So I've
changed my mind to well, I'm not going to be
giving out the pick during rapid fire. I'm gonna give
out on nurphes during rapid fire today. So I'm not
going to officially give you a Game seven pick. I
have the Panthers in the series I gave you Guys
Panthers series. Before the series even.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Started, I was feeling really good up three to zero.

Speaker 5 (01:32:28):
But this is a really, really tricky handicap because I
think there's a lot of what we just talked about
with teams that play well and then they struggle. Can
you flip the switch? Can Florida flip the switch? Like
Florida's played arguably the three worst games of the playoffs consecutively,
Like that is, that's hard to do at the biggest stage.

(01:32:52):
So I think there's a part of me that thinks
they might play better at home and that Edmonton might
feel the pressure now. But going back to which's point,
like this is, and I've been very much into this
mode of thinking, especially since I moved out here to Vegas.
In fact, this was one of the reasons why I
moved out to Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
The law of detachment. If you want anything in your life,
you can't chase it. You have to detach from it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
You have to detach from the outcome, and you have
to just allow the weird tidings of the universe to
kind of carry you through. I'm not saying that there's
a bunch of manifest spirituality going on in the Oiler's
locker room right now, which is kind of what this
law states. But the law is basically, if you really
want a goal, if you have goals in your life

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and you want to chase those goals, whether it be career,
you know, love, whatever, you have to detach from it
completely in your mind, Detach from the outcome, detach your
anger from it, your your enthusiasm from it, and you
just have to kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Allow the universe to play out.

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
And maybe that's what the Oilers did, Like maybe that's
the effet mentality. It was more of a detachment from
their goal of winning the Stanley Cup. It is so
far away from us right now, we cannot think about it.
We just have to put one foot in front.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Of the other and play hockey.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
It's right back at their doorstep, right like, the Stanley
Cup will be in the building. Somebody's gonna win it
on Monday night. Will they continue to play with that
looseness and that freeness and that detachment. If they do,
I think they're gonna win. The market thinks they're gonna win.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
But Game seven in the sports world has a funny
way of being fluky. So I think this is a
stay away from me.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
I hope Florida wins. It would be fun to see
a team win their first Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
But man, I don't know, not a whole lot of
confidence after these last three games.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
It's interesting because you'll hear this a lot of times
in basketball, where maybe a team is just getting beaten
pretty badly in a game and they'll say, ah, the
other team just kind of let go of the rope
and they just kind of let it happen instead. I
like it, right, But sometimes that can work to your benefit.
And it's basically what both of you guys are talking about,

(01:34:59):
where you stop caring to a fault. You know, there
is such a thing as caring to a fault. And
maybe that was part of Edmonton's problem earlier in the
series and they got dusted the first three games. Maybe
they reached a fit territory and it was just a
different approach. I think there's got to be something there,
because it's not like they've eaked these games out, won

(01:35:21):
one game eight to one, you know what I mean,
Like they've crushed them. So something switched. I can't remember
where I heard this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
I wish I could.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
It might have been Survive in Advance the eighty three
NC State Wolfpack that thirty for thirty. Yeah, it might
have been there might have been somewhere else. But somebody
painted this picture and I thought it was brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
He said.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Sometimes when you're trying to grab a feather, picture a
feather falling through the air, and you want this feather
so badly and you grasp at it and it causes
it to fly away the more that you trying to
grab instead of just letting it fall into your hand. Right,
it's what you're talking about, Jarrett, And there it sounds

(01:36:04):
weird to say that about hockey. Hockey is such a
physical game and it's grinding and it's pushing and it's
all and at the same time you sort of have
to let the feather fall into your hand instead of
trying to run out and grab it. It's this weird
thing with the physical aspect and the like the mental
state of the game and your approach to it. But

(01:36:26):
I think all of that is to say there's something
there with Edmonton, and maybe it was e Fit territory
that's helped them these last three games. But they've got
a chance to win it all in Game seven. Crazy
that we're here now speaking of crazy. Coming up around
the corner. We've got Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst. We've
got Rich heron Berger Penn State, All American. I'm Brian,
no craziness. Okay, We've got three separate stories. I think

(01:36:51):
they're all crazy in their own way, and we'll share
those with you. Right around the corner. It is Fox
Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is
this Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.
So we got three different stories here. I think they're
all crazy in their own way.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
So the first one, I can't believe this is true.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
The Blue Jays were taking on the Cleveland Guardians yesterday
and the Blue Jays needed seventy pitches to get three outs.
That's right, Like in the second inning the Guardians scored
seven runs. Wow, the Blue Jays combined, there were two pitchers,

(01:37:35):
they combined for seventy pitches in one inning.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
That blows my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
It's the most pitches thrown by the Blue Jays in
an inning since nineteen ninety five. It was thirty years
to the day that happened. So I thought that was
pretty crazy stuff right there.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Yeah, that's absurd. It's it's pretty amazing when you know
when you see something happen in sports, whether it be
and baseball is probably the only sport that things like
that can really happen where it's a mind blowing meltdown
of an inning for one side or the other because

(01:38:11):
it's untimed. That's what's so unique about baseball is the
fact that there's no limit to how long an inning
can be. It's just until you do this, you can't
do that. So until you get those three outs, we
can't see what the fourth inning looks like, you know,
Whereas in basketball you got that ticking clock, which you know, football,

(01:38:32):
you know, obviously all that can create drama of its own,
but baseball is unique in that way.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
Yeah, if you heard of the George Carlin bit baseball
versus football, Yeah, it's probably my one. So George Carlin's
one of my favorite comedians, maybe my favorite comedian of
all time.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Baseball is no time limit. We don't know what it's
gonna end.

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
We might have extra innings, right, they just will like
back and forth between football, rigidly timed. We will end
even if we have to go to sudden death, like
just awesome contrast between those two sports in terms of
the rules. The Toronto Blue Jays this year, I don't
know if it's something going on in Canada or if
it's just they're the team this year that is going

(01:39:14):
to be the anomaly.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
And I'll give you another example.

Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
The Toronto Blue Jays earlier this year went twenty nine
consecutive games without.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Scoring a run in the first inning.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
That and I know that doesn't sound like a lot.
It's almost statistically impossible to do that. Yeah, because of
the average runs scoring, right, So the first inning is
and I'm mister first inning nerd over here. The first
inning traditionally, historically is the highest scoring inning, which you
might not think of that either. Like, the first inning

(01:39:47):
on average has the most runs per game of any
inning in Major League Baseball history. It's starting to change
a little bit now because of the starting pitching being
these flame throwers like the Skins and the Jared Jones
and those guys coming into the league over the last
couple of years and really taking the league by storm.
The starting pitching average velost he's increase, so we're seeing
the run scoring in the first inning decrease a little bit,
but for the most part, it's a very high scoring inning.

(01:40:09):
It makes sense the starting pitchers sometimes aren't fully up
the speed and you're getting the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Top of the lineup.

Speaker 5 (01:40:14):
So for the Toronto Blue Jays to go twenty nine
straight games without scoring a run in the first inning,
it doesn't even register on like the percentage scale of
like statistical possibilities, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
That's how crazy it was.

Speaker 5 (01:40:26):
So if you're telling me that something else absurd happen
to the Blue Jays this year, I believe it because
I tracked this team in the first inning all year
and they are inept it is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
It is unbelievable how bad they've been, and it's kind
of a surprise.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
I do think coming into the year, Toronto had higher
hopes than what's happening with the Blue Jays this year.
They're kind of treading water. They're five hundred in the
AL East. They're not winning the AL East. They're not
a playoff team this year. They can't score in the
first inning. They clearly have issues with pitching. Like it's
just they're kind of a hot mess this year up

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there in Toronto.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Yeah, it's think about on average, how many pitches to
get out of an inning. Fifteen to twenty, Yeah, fifteen twenty.
If you get in the thirties, you're like, man, that
was a struggle. Seventy third insane.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
I'll give you another one real fast.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
So Rory McElroy, he's not competing in the Travelers Championship
that's going on right now because the US Open meltdown
was so bad.

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
Oh, poor Rory. It was brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
It showed it on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Yeah, but this stat melts my brain.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
So he had a couple of short misses on sixteen
and eighteen, very.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Short putts, tournament on the line, the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
So before he missed from short range on sixteen, Rory
was four ninety six for four to ninety six. Yep,
from inside three feet, he was almost five hundred for
five hundred, and then he missed that short gimme putt

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on sixteen, and then missed another short gimme putt on
eighteen left by one stroke.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
That's as brutal as it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
That was house money right there, right, Oh, no, no, six,
that's house money.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
He hadn't won a major in ten years, and he
was right there he could grab.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
Maybe he tried to grab the feather. He did away.
That's what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Yeah, you know, and that is that is the thing.
Sometimes trying too hard, it can it can completely foil
your composure. It complete it canna have the opposite effect
of what you think trying. Yep, the looseness of the
athlete is everything. A sprinter, you look at their face
while they're sprinting as hard as they possibly can. You know,

(01:42:48):
we're talking about the fastest people on feet on the planet,
the Olympic level, world level sprinters, track specialists, they have
the calmest look on their face. In fact, the reason
why is because they did ergonomic studies and realize that
tight faced runners, when you're flexing your face muscles versus

(01:43:09):
runners who have a loose face, they shave hundredths of
seconds off of their one hundred meter sprints. And so
that's the reason why they do it. In fact, the
reason why ultra marathon runners and marathon runners they all
wear sunglasses regardless of whether it's a sunny day a
cloudy day running. It's because squinting burns calories and when

(01:43:32):
you are running, and all of it's based off of
you know, efficiency and conservation of energy. When you're squinting
in your burning calories. It literally you are shaving off
fractions of energy levels every single mile, every single quarter mile.
So when everything matters, everything matters, And for Rory it

(01:43:57):
all came down to a handful of putts, right when
you really think about, you know, the way things broke
and the fact that he and d Schambeau were down
to the wire there and he finished first. Like, it
came down to a handful of putts. And when you
cannot keep your composure because it matters too much or
you're trying too hard, it does it a twitch in

(01:44:18):
your finger, a overstrain of your shoulder muscle on the
backstroke on a putt, a three footer turns into a
knee knocking eight footer in your brain because it just
matters so much more. He'd played tight, he looked tight,
and then as a result, he lost the tournament. And yeah,
like you said, it's heartbreaking. He couldn't even face Bryce

(01:44:39):
and d Schambeau. He wouldn't even stick around for the
handshake because he had.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
One out that I didn't like that one bit.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
He was distraught.

Speaker 5 (01:44:46):
Yeah, I didn't love CBS kind of putting him in
a really tough spot by basically putting him in like
a like a panic room to make him.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Watch the last last few holes.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
And I know that's like the room where everyone signs
their card, but maybe we don't need the camera in
there to watch like the green room of guards, like
we didn't need the car like it was great TV.
I know why they put it in there, but I
did feel bad for Rory in that moment because you
feel so helpless to just watch it play out. And
I took the low hanging fruit and made a joke

(01:45:22):
like it, Like when he walked out of the room
after it was over, I was like, this is like
when you know what BET's gonna lose before the game's
even over.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
He just walked out and discussed.

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
But this is the literal manifestation of what I was
talking about earlier with the law of detachment, Like I
think he's been chasing this elusive fifth major so much,
and he's had some things in his personal life as
well that I'm sure we're weighing on him. And I
don't want to get into that because it's all speculation

(01:45:52):
and rumors and it's not something we need to talk
about too much.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
On this show.

Speaker 5 (01:45:55):
But I think the overall vibe of him being that
shining beat in of what golf is going to be
in the future, I think that story is over now,
like the like him against the live people, and then
just the overall you know, him being.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Kind of like the bread winner and like the flag
bearer of the PGA.

Speaker 5 (01:46:13):
Like I think that stories now, Pat were past that chapter,
and now this new chapter of Rory is like how
does he pick up the pieces after what was arguably
one of the worst collapses in like the history of
golf other than maybe like Jean Vandervelt at the British
Open like fifteen years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
Like, I just that was a really rough thing.

Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
And he's been chasing this major for a long time
and again you're gripping that club really hard, and it
makes the smoothness of golf a lot more difficult. And
when you're thinking about something too much and you're trying
to chase it too much, it's like you're running at
the carrot with the stick on the treadmill, like you're
just you're not gonna get it. You have to detach

(01:46:50):
from the outcome and just let the universe play out.
And I think, you know, it was very tough as
old for Rory there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
You know, you talk about gripping too much. That is
something that Isaac Lowan Kron does not do. You know,
it's important for update anchors as well now because if
you grip two tightly, some.

Speaker 9 (01:47:04):
Of those pronunciations, man, you just gotta let them rip.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
That's right, goosey, goosey, that's right.

Speaker 8 (01:47:10):
Some of those tennis players, you know, French jumping a
couple of weeks ago, you just got to go for it. Well,
that's what the Edmonton Oilers are doing because in Game
six of the Stanley Cup Final on Friday night against
the Florida Panthers, the Oilers newfound mojo continued.

Speaker 10 (01:47:28):
Mark Golf, had it lost it, You've got an empty net,
Ryan McCleod, to seal it, cater stole.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
There will be a Game seven of the.

Speaker 10 (01:47:37):
Stanley Cup Final Sunday night at Sunrise four, Florida.

Speaker 9 (01:47:43):
What they would add another empty net goal and win
a five to one The call on c hed As.

Speaker 8 (01:47:49):
The Oilers, tying the series at seven, became at three,
became the first team to rally from a three games
to none deficit to force a Game seven in a
Stanley Cup Final since the Detroit Right Wing in nineteen
forty five, and if they win Game seven at Florida
on Monday, they can join the nineteen forty two Toronto
Maple Leafs is the only teams to rally from a

(01:48:10):
three games to non deficit to win Lord Stanley's Cup.
Baseball Friday Night, Angels over the Dodgers in ten, three
to two. Despite sho hey Otani's National League leading twenty
second home run, his seventh home run in eleven games.
The Padres Jake cronin Worth five for five with a
home run, and their nine to five win over Milwaukee
A scored two in the bottom of the eighth to

(01:48:31):
best the Twins six to five. Soccer Today at Euro
twenty four, Georgia and the Czech Republic have played to
a one to one time finally just beginning to trend
within the last half hour or so. In golf, popular
Fox Sports radio host Rich Ornberger tweeted a video of

(01:48:52):
his golf swing and oh, I want to see this,
asked his followers to quote, rate my swing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
I'm going right now, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:49:01):
Just check it out at Orenberger, It's uh, listen, I'm
going to add a little context. This is my first
time golfing in.

Speaker 9 (01:49:09):
All sounds like excuses to make well.

Speaker 4 (01:49:11):
I mean, you know, and I was pretty high on
a swing. Oil if you will. There a couple of
bloody mary steep. But anyways, it was it was a
swing Rich, Yeah, I mean I could put together a
little something. I don't know if it's nice or not,
but no, I think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
You got a nice rhythm.

Speaker 8 (01:49:30):
William gave Rich a swing a seven out of ten
fair and with that, and Eddie in Santa Paula, whose
user name is the rather Unfortunate at ed in Santa Paula,
did give Rich a ten out of ten. Wou My
only comment is, Rich, since you seem to be so

(01:49:52):
obsessed with aerodynamics and performance, how did the backwards baseball
cap affect the physiology of your swing?

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
To you? Yeah, thank you very much, thank you Ilo.
How did it affect the physiology? Well, I will say this,
the the backwards baseball cap was mainly to keep the
sun off my neck. I was getting awfully roasty out there,
so it was.

Speaker 6 (01:50:16):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
It was a sunny day in San Marco's, California, and
I was just trying my best to keep to Ward
off the UV Rays. But yeah, I'll tell you what.
Golf is one of those games we were just talking
about Rory. When you are an amateur at it and
you go for your first time in a long time,
you realize how good these guys are, Oh the best.

(01:50:40):
It's it's like, it's like no other sport. It's a
it's a sport. When you watch it on television, it
looks easy and you'll see it justice, everybody could do
it until you actually get out there on a course
and you remember just how hard it is. It is
a brutal game.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
Yeah, it's really really tough.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
I like this again.

Speaker 5 (01:50:59):
I com I think you need a little more weight
transfer in the back, thank you. But you've got really
you've got you've got you've got nice arms.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
Swing there again. Athleticism, you're you're you're an athlete. You
can get out there.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
Thank you. I needed this. This feels good, guy.

Speaker 5 (01:51:12):
What you need a lot of You do need a
lot of work with the weight transfer because your swing's
all arms.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
Always something to work on here. Hey, shortly after the show,
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the air. I'm gonna throw two things at you super fast. Okay,

(01:51:38):
this caught my attention. Derek Jeter so, he was a
guest on the SI Media podcast with Jimmy Traina and Uh,
he's talked about maybe being a color commentator. I think
about Tom Brady doing that, Derek Jeter said, doing an
entire game, that's stressful. You have to talk for two

(01:51:59):
and a half to three Yeah, we're straight and you
have to be interesting. And he's like, no, thanks, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
I'm good on that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
Lee.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
Yeah, He's like, I like the pre and post game stuff.
I give you a couple of sentences and I just
get to enjoy the.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Game and we're good. I don't hate him for that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
No, you know, there is such a thing as not
biting off more than you can chew. And the other
thing I was gonna throw at you. How crazy is this?
To finish our little trio of craziness, Monti Williams fired
by the Detroit Pistons this week. He was one year
in to a six year deal. He still owed over

(01:52:37):
sixty five million dollars on that contract and they gave
him the pink slip after one year. And this kind
of puts it in perspective. Austin Reeves from the Lakers.
He was playing in a golf tournament. Listen to what
the fan says and how he reacts.

Speaker 4 (01:52:55):
I'm not going to Detroit, no thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
You see what they did to money. You see that
grease fire over there. I'm not going anywhere near Detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
So there you go. There's your We can review as
far as the Pistons go.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
Jeez, I mean, what a what a disaster. I mean, look,
this is this is the same thing though well not
the same thing, different but similar thing to the Denver Broncos.
I mean, imagine being considered so useless to an organization
that they would rather part with some part of sixty
million or eighty million dollars, Yeah, to not have you

(01:53:33):
work for them any longer. I mean, it's it's really
I mean, it's damning on the organization for the decision making.
But my goodness was to say about the coach and
the player, so very curious to see what's next for money.
Williams very interested to see what happens with Russell Wilson
in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
I'm in the wrong line of work.

Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
I mean I get paid a very fair wage, thank
you very much to our to our brethren to pay
us our wages.

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
But I would love to get paid not to work.
That is the dream. The NBA coaches have figured it out.
Yeah right, I bet Moni's got nice pacing and arm
you talent on that swing.

Speaker 4 (01:54:13):
Wait, transferr.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Works on that swing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
That is the perspective shifter right there. You know, for
any of the Twitter trolls that are like you steak,
you suck like I pray, they run into Monny Williams
on the golf course, you know what I mean, and.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
It's just like winning. Yeah, it was winning there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
I'm getting paid what fifteen million dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:54:37):
This year to have to co dream, right, I can't
think of another profession where that would ever happen.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Incredible, It's pretty crazy, right there.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
Are We got Rich Orenberger, Penn State All American, UH,
soon to be pro golfer.

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
We've got Jared Smith FSR betting analyst soon to be
pro golf critiquer. Right, yeah, Tin Cup over here, there
you go. I'm Ryan though, coming up next, Rapid Fire.
We each have three picks. Both did all did pretty
well last yearning if we can. Yeah, keep the hot
streak going. It is Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox
Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday here on Fox

(01:55:14):
Sports Radio. Props to the crew, Bo Benson, our trusted producer,
Iowa Sam hanging out with us today.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Very nice to hang with I again.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
Technical producer extraordinaire Isaac Lowenkron crushing the updates, crushing life,
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Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
All right, we got picks to make. Let's dive into this.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
Rapid fire.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
All right, Jared, let's start with you.

Speaker 4 (01:55:52):
What are you like it?

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
Two? One last week?

Speaker 5 (01:55:55):
I think we all went to one last week. Pretty
good post football thirty and twenty one. I'll try to
keep it rolling going on Nurfy today, No hockey, no basketball,
all Nerfey all the time. Let's start in Houston. Very
high scoring game in Houston last night fourteen to eleven.
I hope they used up all those runs because we're
going Nerfy with Corbyn Burns and Runout Block. A really
good pitching matchup Orioles Astros. I think of the three

(01:56:16):
picks I'm about to give you, this is my favorite
of the three. Burns is fantastic. Blanco has been very
good for Houston this year. Facing this Orioles lineup for
the first time, we'll go Raised Pirates Nerfy. We talked
about Jared Jones. He's been really good in his rookie year,
about a thirty percent strikeout right in the first inning.
Zach Eflin on the other side for Tampa Bay, also
very good. Tampa Bay scored a bunch of runs last night.

(01:56:37):
I hope they used them all up because we're going
to Nurfe in Tampa Pittsburgh. Finally, Brian, this one hits
close home for you. We'll go Nurphy and Saint Louis
Giants Cardinals. Your buddy Jordan Hicks back on the mound
today in Saint Louis Courts, the team that called them
up a few years ago. A little revenge game. I
think he comes out hot early. Miles Michaels on the
other side, been very good lately for the Cardinals, Giants, Cardinals,

(01:56:59):
Orioles Astro raised pirates on their field.

Speaker 4 (01:57:01):
Okay, very good. I am going I'm gonna actually have
a urfie in mind. Allow, yeah, yeah, so stay tuned
for that. But for right now, I got the Padres
clocked at plus one and a half on the spread
against the Milwaukee Brewers today at Peco Park. Let's see

(01:57:22):
what else did I put on this list? Oh yeah, yeah,
on the run line, So plus one and a half total.
I'm taking the over nine. The trend is your friend.
The bats have been hot on both sides of this matchup,
so I'm taking the over on the nine total runs
in this one. In a ur fee first inning, yes
there will be a run. Here's the reason why hot
bats in San Diego. No Marine layer. It's a four

(01:57:43):
to ten first pitch early in this game, so you're
going to see probably an offensive explosion through the early
and some of the middle innings, and then it may
tail off at night in terms of how far the
ball travels. So yeah, we're gonna go run line spread
Padres plus one and a half over nine total runs
and yes, a run in the first inning both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
Okay, all right, So I'm starting off with college baseball.
Oh wow, yeah, Texas A and M. The pitching has
been really strong. I'm gonna double up here. Okay, I'm
going Texas A and M today plus one forty. I'm
taking Texas A and M for the series plus one eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
I'm double dipping.

Speaker 3 (01:58:32):
And we haven't had a number one seed win at
all in the College World Series. It's like ninety nine, right,
So I like that Miami was the last number one
seed long time.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
Yeah, So give me A and M.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
Gig them, gig them Aggie's and then man, I would
love to give you Red Sox Reds over nine and
a half.

Speaker 4 (01:58:55):
I do like that one.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
But for my final act here, I'm looking at the
Stanley Cup Final. Oh yeah, okay, Edmonton has.

Speaker 3 (01:59:05):
A bunch of momentum, all right, Edmund Money's looking great
that I will gore you, Jared.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
I don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
I don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:59:15):
But let's rewind to something called Game four. Right, that's
when Florida had all the momentum. Everything's looking great, They're
up three to zero, and then what happened? Edmonton smacked
him eight to one. Okay, So now we look at Edmonton.
They've won three games in a row, they got all
the momentum. Well, Connor McDavid, We've got Connor McDavid fever
over here. The dream dies for Canada. Oh my god,

(01:59:38):
the Florida Panthers. They go in wo on Edmonton and
they turned bad guy and they hoist the cup at home,
and Canada is left out in the cold yet again
since the early nineties without a Stanley Cup trophy. I
am going Florida Panthers money line minus one fifteen to

(02:00:00):
win it all in games.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
I'm with you because I've got him in the series
and I grew up down there.

Speaker 4 (02:00:05):
I went.

Speaker 5 (02:00:05):
I actually went to the first game ever at that
arena when it opened in like nineteen ninety seven, right
after they went to the Cup in ninety six.

Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
I love the franchise and I hope that they get
the Cup.

Speaker 4 (02:00:17):
So I'm with you. I got them.

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
Let's go Panthers.

Speaker 4 (02:00:19):
You're the rat. Okay, you drop the Hogan nWo reference
and he lives in Clearwater. Brother.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
When the Panthers win, it'll be too sweet.

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