Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger talk Finals and Tom Brady!

Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger talk the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Final Game 7, Tom Brady’s future as a broadcaster, the Lakers hiring of JJ Redick as their head coach, the still explosive rivalry between Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, the future of the New York Jets this season, and much more!

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Who's in studio today? Yeah, betchi, Yeah, how are you today?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Doing great?

Speaker 4 (00:31):
We had started a countdown clock on one of my shows,
my weekday show in San Diego, countdown to the football season.

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Yes, we are within eighty days. Okay, we are in
the dog days, I mean now dog days.

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But we're within eighty days of kickoff of regular season games.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Okay, I mean that's pretty good. We have. The NBA
season is over.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
We do have, and we'll be talking about a game
seven Stanley Cup Final tomorrow Edmonton and Florida. Edmonton trying
to duplicate what was done only once before. In a
Stanley Cup Final back in nineteen forty two, the Toronto
Maple Leafs came back from a three to zero deficit
to defeat the Detroit Red Wings, and now Edmonton is

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trying to do the same thing in this series against
the Panthers.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
When you were watching that Stanley Cup Final, how was
the Leaf's goalie?

Speaker 3 (01:26):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
It was so remarkable when I remember sitting down, you're
interesting that, Yeah, thirties. By the way, I even gave this,
people will say those are back in the day when
it was a sixteen league. I said, actually, in nineteen
forty two there were seven teams. There was a team
called the Brooklyn Americans that year. But anyway, you know,
I mean, you got to roll these things off. But
by the way, John Paul Morosi is going to be

(01:49):
joining us here in about fifteen minutes, so he'll give
us a complete breakdown of what to expect. And again,
if you're not a hockey fan, you know, like a
lot of people are jumping on the dub you NBA
bandwagon with Caitlyn.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Clark and everything.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
But even if you're not a hockey fan, if you
have a chance to watch Game seven Stanley Cup Final,
especially with Edmonton trying to you know, really make history
in the modern era.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
In imagine down three.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
To zero in a series and coming back to win
a Stanley Cuff Final. I would highly I can't.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Wait for this.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I mean, I'll be watching this game Riveted playoff hockey
is just next level. So we got a lot to
cover today, Richie. By the way, look who's on the
board today.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I know, yeah, I know. It's like a blast from
the past. Sam was here yesterday. Here again. I mean,
how how did you get back on to the weekend? Here? Sam?
What happened? Would you what you got? Sent back down
to triple A Clayton Kershaw style? Yes? Yeah, what're you
designated for assignment?

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Chris Purfett was on the mound and he's been traded
to the Orioles and now I'm here for.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
A washing machine.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
I heard, yeah, exactly, traded to the Orioles for a
quarter washing machine. And I will say this, he'll we'll
miss him. We'll miss him because he kept our white
swider at the back, our colors brighter, yes what spider,
and our colors bread.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, Sam's great to have you here. It's so it's
great to see you here. By the way, it was
about this time last year that Sam had essentially invited
himself to come to my house, and I'm glad it came,
he had a chance to meet my sister. We were
celebrating my Burt down the fourth of July holiday and
everything else.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
We had a great time. Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
So that we got that all coming up, Richie, I mean,
we got a lot of things we got to take
care of as far as the end of the NBA season.
That's right as we sort of evaluate where we're going
moving forward in the NBA and what we actually saw
here in this past NBA season. The Celtics, and again
I'm a Celtic hater, so this is hard for me.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
They completed the job.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
You remember we were talking about how they lose Game
four by thirty eight points, and you're you're sently saying,
all right, well, they want to win the championship at home,
so they sort of gave them a Game four for
Dallas and everything else. And watching Game five, that's pretty
much exactly what happened. Yeah, I mean, you play them
with fire unless you actually know that we are a

(04:12):
significantly better team than that team. And the Celtics wasted
no time in Game five to basically say this series
is over.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Time to put up that eighteenth banner.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
They slammed the door shut on him. As they should.
They were the better team.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
And by the way Rich Ornberger before the series, Celtics
in five.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
I said, Celtics in five, I said, the only win
that Dallas will have is when the series goes to Dallas,
and he'll probably be game two. I was noncommittal. I
could see it being game one, you know, travel things
like that. Maybe Boston after a long layoff after two
games in quick succession at home, riding off of some
momentum after two victories, there could be a letdown in

(04:55):
game three. So it was not committal there, but I
knew one of those games would be a win for
Dallas and then Boston would finish it up at home.
Confetiti falls on the court at the Garden. And then
you have Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown and Christaps Porzingis,
who didn't finish the finals, but he was certainly helpful
while he was there for the short time. Definitely helped

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them burst out to that early lead in the series.
All get to celebrate that championship. Here's what I'll say, Dallas,
solid team. Solid team.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Dallas reminds me a lot of the Lakers. Now. The
Lakers have a problem.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
They have two stars on their roster and a lot
of guys, right, a lot of really talented guys, no question,
role players who win they play over their head or
at very least to their intangible qualities are they're a
pretty good they assemble to become a pretty good basketball team.
But it takes more than just two dynamic stars. Now

(05:54):
it feels like to win a championship or to become
a dynasty. The Golden State Warriors figured that out. That's
the reason why they added Durant before their most recent championship,
which almost felt like nobody wanted to win it, so
it was the Warriors to win that that playoff if
you remember that, that NBA playoff season. But yeah, I
kind of feel like you need to have at least

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three players on your roster play at superstar level for
a final series for you to actually win. And and
Dallas had two. I don't know if they both played
at superstar levels together. They certainly they certainly seemed to
figure it out in Game four. But outside of that,
you know, Boston's revolving group of star players really helped.

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That was the strongest team in the field. They romped
the field in the East, and then they cleaned up
when the West came to face him in the finals,
and it's exactly what we thought that would happen.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well, a lot of people did not think it was
gonna happen in the sense that, yes, Boston had mopped
up on the weaker Eastern Conference, you know, they the
thought was and like so many people thought Dallas would.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Win this final series, you were obviously on the op.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Their side is the fact that, well, the West was
just tougher and the Boston has not played at that
level all season long. Well, it's approved that was ridiculous.
I mean, the fact was Boston had the best record
by far in the NBA. They had done it all
season long, and they were a team on a mission.
I also found this interesting in the aftermath of the

(07:20):
Celtics winning, by the way, the six different team to
win the NBA Championship in the last six years, that
this is the team that could be the next dynasty,
because you know, they built from within, they added a
few pieces, and they stuck to their guns, and because
of that, they're ready for a dynostam Like, wait a second,
we said the exact same thing about the Nuggets last year.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, exactly. The same thing. The Nuggets built from within.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
They added a few pieces, they stayed with their coach,
and so that team is made to win multiple championships.
The Nuggets are built exactly the way the Celtics are.
And we saw the Nuggets this year basically fading in
and out all season long, Like a couple of games
they would show up. I remember when they went to
Boston and they beat the Celtics. Celtics had not lost

(08:06):
a home game all year, and you're like, Okay, Denver's
gonna play that game, Like when we need to show up,
we'll be there. And then they played around with the Timberwolves,
got to a game seven, and what happened?

Speaker 3 (08:17):
You blow a twenty point lead at home and you're gone.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
So, by the way, I think the Celtics honestly are
any different than the Nuggets or any other team we've seen,
whether it's Milwaukee or any other team that we've seen
in recent history, win a championship.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Winning back to back.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know, there was a time from nineteen sixty nine
until the Lakers did in nineteen eighty eight, that's nineteen
years where there.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Were no back to back champions in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Then we had this one where everyone was winning back
to back or three in a row like it was commonplace.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I'm telling you it's not that easy.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I think the Celtics are gonna have the exact same
challenges that the Nuggets had this year of maintaining that focus,
because once you win a championship, everyone's gunning for you.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Well, and then, look, we would have been saying the
same thing.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
If the Timberwolves won this the West and then beat
the Celtics in the finals.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
We would have we would have started.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, and you want know why if the Mavericks one,
people would be saying, hey, listen, this is a new
Kyrie and Luca finally got his first one. You know
how it's gonna go. Now he's got a taste of it.
He's not gonna want to start. He's not going want
to put down the carton of popcorn. Like, no, that's
not how this works. It's not as easy as hitting

(09:30):
down in a movie theater and having popcorn until the
bucket's empty. Like, this is hard work and it's lucky.
You have to be lucky to a certain extent. You
got to say healthy throughout the season. Your stars need
to be locked in for the postseason. Look at Denver,
their biggest problem was Jamal Murray didn't look like Jamal
Murray typically looks like when Denver goes to the postseason.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
All it took was one player.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
To have a rough outing during the second round of
the Western Conference playoffs and it just fizziled out for Denver.
So you're absolutely right. Sports are better when there are dynasties.
That's true in all sports. During the two thousands with
the Yankees, then the Red Sox in Major League Baseball,

(10:13):
then the twenty tens with the Giants in baseball, with
the Golden State Warriors, with the Lebron his various teams
and the Golden State Warriors trading off championships, Who's gonna
be the dynasty? They keep running into each other. That's
the big roadblock between Steph Curry and Lebron James football.
I mean, look, it was a Patriots for two decades,

(10:35):
but before that it was the Dallas Cowboys in the nineties.
People like dynasties because it gives some people something important
to root for, and it gives the rest of everybody
else something to root against, and people like that kind
of sports viewing. Now, if Boston does return to the
championship round. If Boston does start a dynasty, they are

(10:56):
an easy team to hate because I don't know if
you were paying time to all the social media backlash
that Jason Tatum faced on the other side of winning
this Finals. But he basically ripped off every single Athletes
Finals Championship celebration the crime. Oh he worked at all.
He ripped off Steph Curry twice heaving the basketball and

(11:20):
then and then you know what did he say? Whatever
it was whatever Steph Curry screened And then he stood
there having led the series and scoring, rebounding, and assists
all three categories, and watch them.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Are they gonna say Jaylen Brown? What are they gonna say?

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Now? That was Steph Curry's line. Kevin Garnett, the screaming
at mid court, he we did it. Yeah, he goes
in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
But here's this, like Kobe, he didn't get the MVP. Well, no,
Jaylen Brown got the MVD even.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Though Jason Tatum end of the series with more points,
more rebounds, an assists per game than Jalen Brown.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
So he's doing all that leading up to.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Oh, by the way, here's the oh, no, Jalen Brown
and all right, we'll have much more on that and
where we're moving on as far as what's next for
the NBA. But on the other side, we're gonna check
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Panthers Oilers Stanley Cup Final and talking of the passing of,
at least, in my opinion and an opinion of many,

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Speaker 3 (13:41):
I know we have limited times, so I want to
get right to it.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Game seven, Stanley Cup Final tomorrow, the Panthers trying to
avoid joining the nineteen forty two Detroit Redwings, blowing a
three to zero series lead and losing the Stanley Cup Final.
What's your gut feeling? What's going to happen tomorrow? Down
there as the Oilers try to make history, We're about

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to watch.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
My friends, one of the most significant games in NHL
postseason history. First of all, it doesn't get any more
important than a Stanley Cup Game seven, and now you've
got a chance to see something that we have not
witnessed since the nineteen forties. And on top of that,
you've got a Canadian team trying to clinch Canada's first
Stanley Cup since nineteen ninety three. So you layer all

(14:30):
of these things on top of it, and it's remarkable.
You're going to have one of the most significant games
in NHL history happening on a beautiful sheet of ice
in South Florida. It's just it's a great story, all
the different elements that play, and of course you got
the best player in the sport in Connor McDavid, right
in the middle of it. He had a very quiet
game six. I suspect he will not have a quiet

(14:51):
Game seven. I believe the Oilers find a way to
win this hockey game. Of course, it all comes down
to goaltending in a big spot. And I'd also point
this out. We have seen many times the road team
win Game seven in the Stanley Cup Final. It happened
for the Saint Louis Blues in Boston, halpen for the
Boston Bruins in Vancouver win. Another Canadian team had a

(15:15):
chance to win the Cup back in twenty eleven, so
I would say, don't get too swayed on this by
the whole mice advantage. It's gonna come down to what
hockey always comes down to, goaltending big moments. I have
no idea what's going to happen in terms of the
minute by minute, but it just has that feeling that
the momentum and certainly the best player on the ice

(15:38):
both belong to the Edmonton Oilers.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah, JP, I want to get to baseball in a second,
but hanging on this for a moment longer because it's
such a huge game and we're all looking forward to it.
A lot of people thought this series was going to
mimic what we saw in the NBA with the Finals there.
Game four goes to the Mavericks. Game five, Celtics overtake
them overwhelming favorites to win that game, just like the
Panthers were returning.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
To Florida and it went sideways for them.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Why is it, like, what's so special about this Oilers
team that they've been able to, I don't know, handle
the adversity and have the fortitude to do what the
Mavericks couldn't do in the MBA well, I think.

Speaker 7 (16:17):
They've got the best player in the world. And when
you've got the best player in the world, and it's
not just when McDavid scores, which of course he did
twice in Game five, but it's also the presence that
he brings and what it forces Florida to do. I
also think Edmonton's penalty kill has been exemplary, and that
was even the case before they began this turnaround in

(16:39):
the middle part of this series. The penalty kill for
them has been the calling card all postseason long. I
think Darnell Nurse has really emerged on the back end
for Edmonton. Like Bouchard has had a great done the
Cup playoffs, Stewart Skinner has made I think some huge saves,
especially in the last few games. So I look at
it as these two teams teams. We're a lot closer

(17:02):
than three to ozho Florida when it was three to
oh Florida, and they've been a lot closer than a
dominance three to zero by Edmonton since then. Although I
do tend to think that Edmonton was a bit more
dominant in the last three games than what Florida was
in the first three. It's It's a really interesting contrast
of styles. I think you do wonder was Barkoff limited

(17:27):
further since the dry title hit earlier on in the series,
and has that had a lingering effect on who's going
to win the Cup? That's always a possibility to why
this the Stendic Cup was so hard to win because
we don't know, and we won't know probably until the
game is over on Monday night, just how hurt everybody
has been and you don't know is it was it

(17:48):
something that happened in the first round, second round, third round,
or for example that like the Barkoff play with dry title,
was that something that is still impacting them? So so
many unknowns. All I know is that I think we're
going to see a truly classic game tomorrow. And I
do think we have seen in hockey way more than
the other sports, specifically the NBA and MLB, where a

(18:12):
team can reverse and get going. Of course, the Boston
Bruins did it, or the Flyers rather did to the
Bruins back in twenty ten on their way to making
a Stanley Cup final, to come back from three to
zero down. It happens in hockey more often than the
other sports because momentum can build shift by shift, and
goaltending is the ultimate equalizer. If your goali gets hot,

(18:34):
you could do almost anything. And I really credit the
way that Edmundton Chris Nablock as a great coach to
really boil things down shift by shift.

Speaker 8 (18:42):
And they now put.

Speaker 7 (18:43):
Themselves one win away from Stanley Cup.

Speaker 8 (18:46):
I can't wait, all.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Right, JP, I'm going to go back in my own history.
July eleventh, nineteen seventy one, the week after my thirteenth birthday,
my dad took me to Dodgers Stadium to see the
Dodgers play the Giants. And there in the lineup the
Giants was a guy named Willie Mays. Obviously I knew
of Willie Mays. I already had idolized him by the
age of thirteen. I was obviously a baseball fanatic. And

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there he was, the great Willie Mays. And you know,
his passing reminds me again, and I've said this, and
I know I'm not alone.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Then, when it comes to.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
The five tool players, he was the best that ever
played the game. I mean, then led the league in
stolen bases in four seasons. He also led the league
in home runs in four seasons. Candlestick Park was not
made for him. I've always said this, if he had
gone to Atlanta instead of Hank Aaron, Willie Mays would
have been the all time home run leader.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
But I want to get your perspective.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
I I know they had the big celebration in Birmingham
for the Negro leagues. I know Willie was going to
be a big part of that before his passing, his
presence was actually felt. But you're a historian the game,
where exactly do you place Willie Mays the best all.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
Around player we ever saw in Major League baseball? And
I go back to that, and that was the statement
that was made by Ernie Harwell, who broadcasted a lot
of games and knew Willy very well. And I just
think that when you look at the totality of what
he did, I think Tom Ronaldy captured him so well,
and that piece that he did on Fox Sports before

(20:12):
the Rick whick Field game, that he really was in
the midst of all the things that he did, he
created a feeling and an emotion, and I just think
that's such a special thing to say about someone, and
in the case of Willy, it's it's so true he
just he made people feel so excited about the game,
and I think it's as much as we love and

(20:35):
lionised the catch as we should, I think just as
amazing are those photos of him playing stickball with kids
in Harlem, even the polo grounds and just playing stickball
with kids.

Speaker 8 (20:48):
He had that.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
Boyish enthusiasm about him to where when you watched him play,
even if he just saw a video of him, and
if you saw make a brilliant catch, hit a home run,
run around the field as gratefully as.

Speaker 8 (21:02):
He did, you wanted to be him.

Speaker 7 (21:04):
And my friend Jeff Passing med an excellent point about
this too. Willie was about five to eleven, so it
wasn't as though he was physically a larger than life
in an unrelatable way type of figure. He was someone
that I think people could relate to because of his enthusiasm,
because of how he carried himself and how he played
the game. So I just think it's a tremendous loss

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for all of us. But how blessed we all were
to be able to walk the earth at the same
time as him.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Going from an all time great to a budding superstar.
Paul Skeins I'm watching him just moments ago as he
was on the bump taking on the Tampa Bay Rays
buffuddling batters. Look, he's a flamethrower, he's a tall guy,
He's got all the intangible qualities you want in a picture.
But why has he been so unhittable so far through

(21:52):
his major league debut year?

Speaker 7 (21:55):
No, you know, Richard's a great question. I do think
he just possesses that's an overwhelming repertoire. And what sets
them apart is the ability to execute and command the game.
And we see so much in the sport right now
elite stuff and the amount of pitchers who have average

(22:16):
fastballs well into the nineties.

Speaker 8 (22:18):
It really is.

Speaker 7 (22:19):
It's a power game right now. And yet for Paul Skiings,
his ability to harness that work with the tempo and
command what he does in the mount. I go back
to his background. Remember, he spent his first two years
in college baseball pitching at the Air Force Academy, and
that is a very demanding place.

Speaker 8 (22:38):
As we know he has.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
I think that discipline to harness the elite stuff that
he has and.

Speaker 8 (22:45):
Then just put all out there on the mound, every.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
Single pitch, And I just think it's the ability to
differentiate not just the basketball but the secondary stuff.

Speaker 8 (22:54):
He's so much fun to watch, and it's.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
One hundred and one hundred and one exactly wants to
put it. And if you keep locating one hundred and
one hundred and one and not just throwing it but
really pitching with it, my gosh, the truly, truly, the
sky's the limit. I think we're seeing that right now
for a team that, by the way, rich in the
great state of Pennsylvania. They are not that far away
from contention. So I think that we know or we're

(23:21):
pretty darn sure we're gonna see one playoff team in Philadelphia.
But hey, I'm not ruled out the possibility of Derek
Shelton is Gang finding a way to get to the
postseason really quick?

Speaker 4 (23:31):
JP would they shut down schemes though, even if they
were a playoff team, you know, just just because he's young,
he's never seen this much action.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Is it possible?

Speaker 7 (23:40):
So I do think that, And I'll back up and
say it's not clear. They have not come out and
said exactly what.

Speaker 8 (23:46):
The number is. But if I'm the Pirates and if
I have.

Speaker 7 (23:51):
Any idea, any inkling.

Speaker 8 (23:53):
That I'm gonna manage his innings.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
You gotta do a better job than what the Nationals
did with Strasbourg, which was they lost them at the
most important time of the year. So if you feel
like you need to manage his innings, which is a
reasonable statement, it is, so do it at the All
Star break, do it very soon. Back them off, have
you know, put them on whatever list you got to

(24:16):
put them on, whether you option them out or whatever.

Speaker 8 (24:18):
You do. Give him some time and that way you're
you're not.

Speaker 7 (24:23):
Taking away that possibility down the stress because one of
the things that the postseason does for us, and remember,
is the ability to use the rest and use the
space to get the most recovery for your guys.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
There is there's.

Speaker 7 (24:36):
Pitching in the postseason and then pitching a little bit,
not necessarily every fifth day in the playoffs.

Speaker 8 (24:43):
Maybe it's every sixth day. You use that special stuff
that you got.

Speaker 7 (24:47):
Garrett Cole was one example back in twenty thirteen when
he debuted with the Pirates.

Speaker 8 (24:51):
He was in the.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
Playoffs with them, but they didn't have him start necessarily
all the time. Let's say so that they were careful
with his rest days.

Speaker 8 (24:59):
I think similar.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
Approach right now for the Pirates with schemes is appropriate,
but again the Stratsburg piece, it didn't keep them healthy
for fifteen.

Speaker 8 (25:07):
Years, did it.

Speaker 7 (25:08):
So we got to remember what the overall idea and goal.

Speaker 8 (25:13):
Is of how you manage these arms.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
JP, we know you got to run, but we always
appreciate the time. Thanks so much. Enjoy that game seven tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (25:21):
Enjoy Game seven and join the Euros. It's amazing how
much amazing sports we have to watch right now. I'm
glued to Fox Sports during the day watching Italy play.
I'm wondering where Italy is going to score their next goal,
so I'm a little bit worried about the offense there.
We got the US starting up in Copa America, so
all these great sports happening right now.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
And College World Series A and M trying to wrap
up their title leading Tennessee one nothing right now.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
If they win this game, they are College World Series champions.
Great stuff. JP, will check in with you next week.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
Sounds great, all about Thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
That's the great John Paul Morossi. All right, let's find
out what is trending right now. And as JP said,
a very busy day in sport. Look who's here?

Speaker 9 (26:00):
Nick cops in the hock crashing Monsei spot here. She
always gets you guys to herself.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, she has been a destination. I will not reveal where,
because I mean she would meet mob by her fans.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
I will not reveal.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
But yeah, she said, Nick, Nick's gonna jump into the
seat today.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
So here you are, Nick, Yeah, happy, happy to have it.

Speaker 9 (26:18):
Paul Skins, by the way, he's already got six strikeouts
in four innings today as the Pirates and the Razor
ted at one.

Speaker 10 (26:25):
In the fourth inning.

Speaker 9 (26:26):
Already one final in baseball Phillies over the Diamondbacks four
to one, seven shutout innings for Christopher Sanchez. Baseball News
we had a trade earlier. Yankees acquired infielder JD. Davis
from the Athletics in exchange for minor league prospect. Davis
was d fade a little bit ago by Oakland Blue
Jays infielder Aurelvis Martinez was suspended eighty games for violating

(26:48):
the league's performance enhancing drug Policy's big time prospect for Toronto,
who just made his big league debut on Friday, he
tested positive for a fertility drug that is on Baseball's
band substance list. He said in a statement, he spent
the last couple of years trying to start a family
with his girlfriend, and he was prescribed to drug back
in his native Dominican Republic that contained the banned substance,

(27:10):
but he said he accepts the penalty. Yes, you mentioned
Game two of the College World Series Texas A and
M has grabbed that one to nothing lead at Jace
lavio Lette first inning home run. They're just about to
start the second inning. Aggie's took Game one nine to
five last night. Get the national title with a win today.
Tennessee trying to force a decisive Game three on Monday.
Final round of the Travelers Championship in golf is onto

(27:33):
the back nine. We got a five way tie atop
the leader board with Scottie Scheffler, Tony Final, Patrick Cantlay,
Tom Kim, and ax Sha Batilla.

Speaker 10 (27:43):
They're all at nineteen under.

Speaker 9 (27:45):
Soccer, US men's national team makes its debut in Copa
America group play. They're taking on Bolivia. That's at six
eastern on Fox. After that one, keep it on Fox.
You've got Uruguay against Panama coming up at the top
of the hour. Euro twenty twenty five for group action
on FS one. You've got Scotland facing Hungary and Switzerland

(28:05):
against Germany.

Speaker 10 (28:06):
That is on Big FONKX.

Speaker 9 (28:07):
And finally got another showdown between Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese.
This time it'll be in Chicago Fever against this guy.
They will tip it at for Eastern Steve Rich back
to you.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
All right, Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Nick.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
We'll check in with you a little bit later on
Steve hartin Rich Orenberger here Fox Sports Sunday One.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Quick follow up on Willie Mays.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
So you know, John Paul Morosi has got a Hall
of Fame vote, and he's adamant that the Baseball Hall
of Fame is the best Hall of Fame because it's
so exclusive.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
He goes on and on and on about this.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
When Willie Mays was up for the Hall of Fame
first ballot, he made it on the first ballot. But
here's the amazing part of it. Twenty three of the
writers voting for the Hall of Fame did not vote
for Willie Mays. Okay, So I mean, I mall you
You're sitting there with your ballot and the name Willie
Mays there, and you're like, yeah, you know, I think

(29:01):
I think first ballot maybe. I mean those twenty three riders,
by the way, nine didn't vote for Hank Aaron. I mean, remember,
the only unanimous vote we've ever had is of all people,
Mariano Rivera is the only unanimous choice ever for the
Baseball Hall of Fame. But twenty three riders did not

(29:22):
vote for Willie Mays as a first ballot always.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I mean, look, it was it was a different time,
I mean nineteen seventy nine, but I.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Mean there were plenty of older, openly racist sports writers
back then, Yeah, who didn't like the fact that Willie
Mays was a black man dominating the white man's game.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Look, that's the reality of the history of sports.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Is the gate keeping that occurred with all these Halls
of Fame was ridiculous. It's the reason why I put
zero stock into Halls of Fame, or how many Pro
Bowls are all stars these guys get because you leave
it up to Frankly, in this case, the credentialing of
these racist weirdos, who many of them are probably dead

(30:10):
now should be exhumed and fired into the sun.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Screw them well.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Ten years before that, Stan Musil was on the ballot
for the first time, and guess what, twenty three people
didn't vote for Stand the Man.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Museal.

Speaker 8 (30:22):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Okay, when do you have a hall of fame. You
can't fix voting class.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
You can't fix stupid.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
They can't they can't recognize the best of the best. Yeah,
there's a problem with your hall of fame. These people
should not have a vote for the Hall of Fame
if they can't recognize whether a Stand the Man or
Willie May.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Both of these guys Stand the Man Willie Mays both
almost made it to one hundred years old.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
They lived a long time, well into their nineties.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I mean, yeah, my thing about Willie Mays was I
mentioned in the one game I got to see him play.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
I actually met Willie May's one time.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
It was at some kind of show, you know, card show,
and he wasn't warm and fuzzy, I'll put it that way.
I met Hank Aaron a couple of times, and Hank
was the best. I mean, he could not have been nicer.
Willy wasn't quite that guy, but personally it didn't matter
to me at all because to me, it was still

(31:23):
freaking Willy May.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Say.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Hey, Also, I think there are certain look, there are
certain people who you know, it depends on the day,
Like you know what I mean, Like, you know you might.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Have caught Willy. You're always warm and fuzzy. Oh please, yes, absolutely,
I know. I talked to your wife all the time
about this. She's like, Rich is like a ray.

Speaker 11 (31:44):
Of sunshine every morning. Well, I can't help myself, you know,
I'm just like the sun. As soon as I walk
into the room, I offer my warm glow. All things
grow in my gentle games.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
So anyway, I like the fact that he had talked
about schemes first seven starts, four and oh two, twenty
ninety fifty three strikeouts, he's been in walks.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I mean, the guy has been.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Over lights out, over forty innings, pitched sub three r
A guy like he's really truly, Like he mentioned about
Strasburg and you knew where my brain was going because
that's a former San Diego State out, the same.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Thing where they held him out of the postseason that year.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Then THENTS screwed it up and they maybe they don't
know how.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Gorlater he did pitch in the World Series, was a
World Series MVP cash in with a huge contract and
pitched what four.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
More games well, so that you know, sometimes it works
for the players, sometimes it works for the organization.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
That won't work for the player.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
But in the case of Paul Skins, I mean, he
is a young, absolutely bright spot on this roster, and
I'm very curious, especially if they get into contention, or
more so as they get closer and closer to the
trade deadline or to the All Star break, if they
start dialing back how often they use.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Him by the way, you know, just one final note again,
looking at the baseball writers, since they could control the
history of baseball, whether it's the awards or the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
They're the ones that vote on everything.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
If Willie Mays had played in today's game, because during
his career, amazingly he only won the MVP Award twice.
The war stat obviously did not exist back in the
fifties and sixties, and will he played, but they've retroactively
calculated his war He led the National League.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
And Ward nine times.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
It is very conceivable, using the criteria that helped Mike
Trout win three MVPs and four runner ups in the
MVP voting, that Willie Mays would have been a seven
times at least a seven time most valuable player had
the criteria been the same now or then as it
is now. But he led the National League in War

(33:51):
nine times. Okay, this guy was ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
We're kind of player he was.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
We're going to talk about all time career War leaders
all that. I mean, if you need any more proof
that halls of Fame are ridiculous, Yes, Barry Bonds is
fourth all time in career war.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah. Is he involving No, don't get me, you don't
give me.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
We'll do this again sometime with John Palmerrosi. All right,
coming up on the other side, I want to talk
about a former team ediars. Yeah, because he's back in
the news. Yeah, you'll know who that is when we
come back. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey, Rich
Honberger here, Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the
Tyraq dot Com studios. Well, you made Tom Brady, so

(34:36):
let's let's just get that out of the way. But
now he is really run with the ball after his
time with you, that took him to the next level.
So now we're getting more insight into Tom Brady's talking
more about you know, how he prepared for games and
all this kind of stuff. But to me, it's really
about preparing us for Tom Brady in thecers booth, And

(35:01):
so for Tom Brady, who has spent a lot of
money on his personal appearance to guarantee a certain perfection,
and obviously he did this route his football career, which
was unmatched.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
He is the goat.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I would imagine he is going to be feeling the
same type of pressure to succeed in the booth. But
as you know, Rich and we were just talking about
this off air, what makes a star in the booth
as an analyst?

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Right?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Well, I mean, you know he's going to be prepared,
but it's the presentation.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
There's a reason why John Madden was the best, right Yeah.
John Madden obviously knew the game, he coached the game
and everything else, but the way he presented himself it
just drew the audience in what is your guest? You
think is Brady going to be funny? Is he going
to be analytical? What do you think Tom Brady's on
air persona is going to be.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
I think it's going to be sharp analysis of football.
It's going to be I look, he has a sense
of humor, now, I mean Tom and by the way,
he has a sense of humor about himself. You don't
go through something like the greatest ROAs of all time
live on Netflix in front of the world to watch
unless you you understand, you have a little idea of

(36:19):
who you are and where you fit in into society,
and have a level of self deprecation that you know
you offer yourself, but you're also.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Willing to go through. I mean, of course they did
more crushing of his ex wife than they did of him.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Well, I mean, I don't know, man, they got in
on him on plastic surgery jokes, and they got in
on him all and look, I mean it was barely
appropriate to even speak about some of the things they
were saying about Tom Brady too, so I mean they
gave it to him. And by the way, there was
a lot of you know, some embarrassment I'm sure around
a very public breakup between him and his wife, and

(36:55):
you know, the kids are involved in all those things.
I mean, I'm sure some of those jokes cut close
to the In fact, I'm pretty sure it was a
short night for Tom.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
He didn't go to the after party after that one,
Oh no, He later said he wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like the post Rose, he had
a little remorse. Do you think he's jealous of the
fact that Bill Belichick has a younger girlfriend than his
current girlfriend?

Speaker 3 (37:17):
What's sweet? God? I mean, I mean, but that is
a fact.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
That is I mean, Belichick's like, Okay, I've gotten a
lot of you know, quarterback versus coach.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
It's all gone Brady's way. Well guess where I'm gonna
beat him.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I will get even a younger girlfriend than the model
that Brady is allegedly now dating.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Good lord, I mean it is.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
It is unbelievable how these two and now, look, Belichick
didn't retire, he was actively looking for a job.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Tom Brady, I do believe retired from the sport of football.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
But since they both last played or coach football, where
life has taken us with their storylines is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
All right, So I like I switching to Bellichi for
a moment. Yeah, so his girlfriend is a year older
than my daughter, that's right. So if my daughter, who's
now twenty three, his girlfriend is twenty four. Go on,
if my daughter was dating a seventy two year old, yes,
would that be okay with me.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, that's a good question. How about And I think
the answer is yeah, no, that's not right.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Okay, you struggle with that, that one. I would struggle.
I don't know how you would feel. I know you
only have sons, but you know this is the thing.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
I would struggle with it, Steve, Like now that I'm
really thinking about it, like, since you posed the question,
and thank you for posing it, because yeah, that one's rough.
Here's what I will say about Brady in the booth. Yes,
I think he's going to be the greatest broadcaster of
all time in terms of uh color analysts from the booth.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
And here's the reason why. So you think he'll be
better than John Madden.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Nothing he's ever done, he's failed at as long as
he's put his mind to it. And here's the reality.
When it comes to football, every thing related to football.
Tom Brady has excelled at everything from playing the sport
to coaching the sport. People don't realize it. He was
a coach as much as he was a player. He

(39:11):
was teaching everybody in that organization at a certain point
alongside Bill. But I mean, how many coaches were hired
to the staffs that he played with both in New
England and Tampa Bay, who.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Are younger than him.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
I mean, that's the reality of getting into your forties
playing football is you're gonna have coaches that you're going
to teach up because you're Tom Brady and they aren't.
And so he was a great player, he was a
great coach, and he's a great communicator. You listen to
the way he speaks. There is no misunderstanding Tom Brady.
I think he's gonna be fantastic at all.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Right, A lot of pressure on a pros pro Kevin Burkhart, yes,
because if it doesn't work to the level that Tom
Brady expects, and maybe people like you expect Brady's not
walking the plank and no, because they're paying him a boatload.
They're like, well, if you can't make this work, Kevin,

(40:07):
we're gonna have to move you to a different level
and get somebody else in there that maybe works better
with Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
There's a lot of pressure on Kevin Burkhart. But Tom
Brady's ultimately a great teammate. He is, and so I
think he's gonna try to make Kevin look great. I
think Kevin is obviously going to try to make Tom
look great, because why wouldn't he? Uh So, I think
it's gonna work.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, I remember when I got chet Fordy got hired,
and my boss John Lets says, you better make this work.
I remember that pressure continue on more coming up here
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Speaker 2 (40:54):
Buying should be keeping our eye on this Texas A
and M Tennessee game. If Texas A and M wins,
they will be crowned for the first time ever by
the Way College World Series Champions leading one nothing right now,
that game is in the third inning, all right, Tomorrow,
of course, Game seven of the Stanley Cup Final. I
cannot wait to see this matchup between Edmonton and Florida.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
I mean, I'm just whoo. There was a lot of
fun talking to JP about it.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Yeah, like you said, you know what the oilers have
gone for them, is you know, just a little thing
the greatest hockey player on ice right now?

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Oh? Yes, you know so.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
And by the way, here's something a lot of people
may not know. You know, we were talking about maybe
the controversial voter of the NBA Finals MVP where Jaylen
Brown got it over Jason Tatum was a six to
four vote of the media people that voted the con
Smythe award, which is the MVP is not for the
Stanley Cup Final. It's for the entire playoffs, right, And

(41:54):
so people are saying, well, can Connor McDavid win the
con Smythe if Edmonton doesn't win the Stanley Cup? And
the answer is yes, because it's actually happened several times
that a guy has won the con Smyth on a
team that ultimately did not win the Stanley Cup. And
of course he's already broken Gretzy's Rica for assist in

(42:15):
a plow season and everything else. So yeah, win or
lose eight goal on Monday, expect Connor McDavid will win
the count thirty four assists, forty two points total.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah, he's you know, plus twelve if it matters these playoffs.
So far he's He's an unbelievable player. He's going to win.
The Consmith and the Edmonton Oilers, like JP was talking about,
have Goum have gone all the way from you know,
most likely out in sweep in sweep format to most

(42:49):
likely to win this game. I mean, they're the betting
favorites going into this one. So really interesting how momentum
can shift. Basketball does not feel.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
This way oftentimes.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
It doesn't feel like, you know, an underdog can can
come back and win. And it's never happened, as a
matter of fact in NBA playoff history that a team
facing a three to zero deficit has ever overcome a
three to zero deficit and won a series, let alone
a finals. In Stanley Cup final history, it's never It
only happened once in nineteen forty.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Two with the Maple Leafs.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
But the fact that we're witnessing history and one of
the greatest players we've seen since the Great One is
on the ice, it just feels suiting. It feels awesome,
and I don't know, I feel like I feel like
NBA basketball went out like a lamb.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
NHL hockey's going out like a lion. And if the.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
NBA isn't careful, boy, the NHL might might catch him.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
This country loves football and basketball is getting further and
further from the nineties. Kick ass have to be tough.
You're gonna you know that to create the Jordan rules,
just to make sure they protected the league's greatest star.
Hockey is a physical game. It's a fun watch, especially
in person. It's at the NBA. Better be careful.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Well, I one hundred percent agree when people say, well,
you know, how would you rate this NBA season? And
my immediate thought is forgettable? Yeah, I agree. I mean forgettable.
Like the Celtics win. Hooray, they went their eighteenth and
no one's talking about it. There's literally no buzz just

(44:34):
days after the NBA Finals end.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Obously the biggest story on social media. You know, and
listen my hockey highlights when it comes to my for
you page on TikTok or my feed on on x
or you know, if I'm on Instagram reels, I mean,
it's it's Connor McDavid, It's it's me. There was that
that Edmonton Oilers fan in the stands who actually stole
some of the storylines earlier in the series for good reason. Yeah,

(45:00):
shout out Kate, but yeah, look, the reality of the
situation is the NBA postseason, there were a lot of
sweeps or gentlemen sweeps. The better team almost always won,
except in the West, where I think the best team lost,
but they kind of bowed out ungracefully and that was
the Denver Nuggets, and it was a lot bit. The

(45:21):
biggest buzz story, like we mentioned earlier, was Jason Tatum
getting dragged for his postgame celebration after the game Game five.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
It was so rehearsed.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Anyway, here's the thing about the NBA, It's only gonna
get worse.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I'm a we'll way in our whole spin on you know,
the Laker coaching situation. But I want to get to
the draft this week. So if you look at these
mock drafts, top two picks could be from France. Yeah,
in fact, three of the top eight could be from France.
You got the two guys from Yukon and then you

(45:56):
got G League guys and guys from France. And this
is not good for the NBA. When you think about
Giannis winning a championship and the Joker winning a championship
and Luca getting.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
To the NBA Finals. Here's the thing about star power
in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
These foreign born players, as great as they are, do
not move the needle at all. The two biggest names,
the two biggest stars in this league are still Lebron
and Steph Those are the two biggest stars in the
NBA still. And then you look at this anonymous draft
and by the way, we'll see about Wimby. Just remember

(46:40):
this about Wimby the year before he was drafted by
San Antonio, the record was twenty two and sixty. His
rookie season with the Spurs, they were twenty two and sixty.
So that didn't move the needle either. But these forim
born players, I know it's working for them. In terms
of these television contracts. They're gonna have the rich television

(47:00):
deals of all time. It's not about the finances. It's
talking about what you're talking about rich social media buzz
are people talking about the NBA.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
So you're telling me that Zachari Risashall, he's not doing
it for you.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
None of these the French guys, Australian guy, are you
not moving the needle?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Look the top ten, you know, to be perfectly honest
with you, obviously Donovan Kling and yeah we remember him
to you guys yup, yup and Stephen Castle Dalton connect
out of Tennessee, Kentucky guy, yeah you, oh yeah, Dillingham
out of Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Like you.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
There are guys who you recognize from the tournament. There
are guys who maybe you don't follow them as closely
through college, but you recognize them because everybody's got a bracket,
everybody's in a bracket pool. Everybody remembers watching those games
this past March. But yeah, like having three guys from
France in the top ten and one from Serbia by

(47:59):
the name of Eco to top topic.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Okay, no one's going to be talking about this, so
we have Wimby was an exception because of his physical
stature and everything else.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
We talk about this all the time.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
How do you get your The WNBA is lapping the
NBA right now in terms it's not not even close.
In terms of social media buzz, there is way. I mean,
we got this game today again, another matchup of Angel
Reese and Caitlin Clark. You know, the Sky versus Fever.
By the way, upper level seats that normally would go

(48:36):
a year ago for about twenty dollars a piece are
going for two hundred dollars apiece in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
That's epo.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Social media is far more buzzing about the w NBA
right now than the NBA. They do they need somebody
that's going to move the needle, Well, what.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
They need is an American player, that's right. What they
need is.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
A homegrown talent that comes from a school that we recognize,
that comes from a city that we recognize. Listen, with
all due respect to Nicola Topicch, I'm sure wherever he's
from is a pleasant place in Serbia, but I promise
you've never heard of it, and I promise you have
never been there. I couldn't tell you what people are

(49:16):
like out of there. But when you tell me someone's
from Orange, New Jersey, or they're from they're from the Boys,
or you tell me they're from they're from there, they're
from Athens, Georgia. Like I listen, I've never been to
any of those neighborhoods, but I could tell you a
little something about them. Based on the people I've met

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from those neighborhoods. I could tell you where they are
in this country. Like there's a connection, is my point.
Without connection, you have nothing in terms of interest.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
It's gonna take a long time to connect to these players.
It took people a long time, even though he's charismatic,
even though he's great in front of the camera, to
connect to Giannis the Greek freak, because guess what, even
though people have vacation in Greece, they don't know what
life and like. We had to be filled in.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
On the back Janie's start, remember you went back to
back MVPs. Then he wins the NBA Championship. People thought
that was going to take him next level. It hasn't,
and he at least has some personality. When you talk
about the Joker and Luca, they don't have personalities. They're
great high IQ basketball players. You know, all we really

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know about Luca is that he complains about every single
call during the course of a game. But when they're
sat down and inner, there's no person. There's nothing there.
And so this is this is where the NBA is
at now. They could say, hey, we got the richest contract,
We're about a global game.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Well that's great, but I don't live globally.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I live here, and I have talked less about the
NBA than anytime I can remember. We don't have a
dominant team right now. We've got a revolving door champion
six different teams in the last six years, and every
time we want to elevate one of these foreign born
stars to that next level, it's just not happening.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Well, I'll give you the.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Part for me that I had a difficult time with
because I understand marketing, and I certainly understand sports marketing,
and I understand my connection to sports.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
At least I'm speaking for myself.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
When Nikola Jokic was actually bummed out that he had
to wait a couple extra days to fly home and
celebrate with his countrymen his most recent NBA championship because
the parade, the parade wasn't going to happen for like
three days, he was like, legitimately upset your Denver's star. Like,

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you're I'm sorry, Nicola, I know that you love racing
horses in the small town you came from, but you
belong to Denver in terms of like those fans and
those people who support the gigantic salary you're paid year
after year. That's what's keeping the lights on in those arenas,
that interest that American interest is the reason why you're

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playing in the NBA now, Don't get me wrong. Like
you said, this is a global game now, and there's
a lot of people from a lot of places. And
I think that this has inspired young kids from all
across the world to pick up a basketball and dribble
and shoot and learn ball handling skills. And I think
that's great too. But you have to market. You have

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to market to your American audience, otherwise you're gonna lose
your an American audience.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
All right.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
The one story in the NBA people are talking about
is we're still waiting for the Lakers to introduce their
new head coach.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
What exactly is that goin to happen?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
The breakdown of the very strange odyssey that led JJ
Reddick to become the next head coach of the Los
Angeles Lakers.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
This is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Steve Harbin and Rich Ornberger Fox Sports. We are live
from the tairaq.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Dot com studios.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Well as we sit here on this Sunday, the Lakers
still do not officially have a head coach. There's not
been any announcement of any introduction of a head coach.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
We've been talking.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
About certain gentlemen that would appear to be the guys
that have the insight track to be the head coach.
But we haven't officially been introduced to the head coach.
And by the way, we are four days away.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
From the draft. Okay, so let's.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Get back to what this really has been about and
the Woj versus Scham's rivalry wage Chams going back and
forth in saying who is the guy that's been the
lakers number one choice as the head coach. Now, I'm

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going to steal this analogy from Monsey from yesterday, but
watch me on this one, Rich. Let's assume that JJ
Reddick is indeed the next head coach the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Sure, so, if you.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Go by Schaum's original reporting in The Atlantic or The Athletic,
he reported that Reddick is the guy from day one,
and then all of a sudden, Woj comes in and
said no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
No, no, no, Dan Hurley was the number one guy.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
But Chalm's reporting about Reddick being the guy from day
one made sense to a lot of people because of
his association with Lebron James and the fact that they
co host a podcast and everything else.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
But let's say this went this.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Way, and again I'm stealing this from Monsey. So you're
telling Reddick you're the Lakers. You're telling Reddick you're the guy,
but we recognize you got a job to do.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
In other words, you're.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
On the broadcast for the playoffs, so won't wait until
after the NBA finals to get you the job. But
you're our guy. So let's say you're engaged to a woman.
All right, you're engaged. You're engaged, right, and you've made
it clear we're engaged. And then somebody comes up to
you and says, and this would be woj, Hey, guess

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guess who's interested in your job?

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Who? Dan Hurley? Two time? And see he's interested?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Really yes, So this will be like you're engaged, but
all of a sudden, a much hotter girl suddenly is
like you're told she really likes you. What you mean,
she likes me? I know you're engaged, but she likes
you a lot. Okay, So then you go and then

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propose to that girl, and then she shoots you down saying, nah, no,
not interested. Now you go back to your original fiance
and go, hey, ready to get married?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
If you're JJ Reddick, who buy the way?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
The reports are is going to be offered considerably less
money than was the reported offer of Dan Hurley six years,
seventy million dollars. We're talking about maybe in the eight million,
seven to eight million dollar range. Not exactly chump change,
but less money. If I'm at that press conference introduced
JJ Reddick, Yep, my question to him would be very simple,

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how do you feel about accepting a job after somebody
else was offered more money than you and turned it down?
Were you the guy from the get go? I mean,
there would be so many layers of the question. And
how would he react to being second choice for the job, because,

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according to woj yep, Hurley was their.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Number one pick. Okay, but that's not what Seam said.
Two things can be true at once.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
It may be true that Hurley was the Lakers' number
one pick in terms of who their next coach would be,
but it wasn't Lebron's first pick. So Lebron James runs
the Lakers. We all are aware of that. Clutch sports.
I mean, he runs the whole show, and every single
decision made in that organization needs to be rubber stamped

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by Lebron James, otherwise he will throw a fit.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
There's no question about that.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
By the way, as he should because his instincts has
you know, taken him to South Beach and won him
two championships with the Heat. His instincts brought him back
to Cleveland when they finally padded the roster enough for
him to make an entrance and compete against the Golden
State Warriors and win a championship back home with Cleveland.
And then, to be perfectly honest with you, the Lakers

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won that championship in the bubble because of Lebron James,
because he brought Anthony Davis, who's a clutch sport athlete
with him, and they had a trade for him, and
they traded dearly for him when.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
They were well rested, and so I have to get
ready for the playoffs. It was perfectly set. Plus they
were motivated by the tragic death of Kobe Bryant.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
But you don't have a d without Lebron, so you
don't have a championship without Lebron.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
So I get it.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
If I were in Genie Buss and Rob Polinka's shoes,
I would do the same thing they're doing. I would
give him free reign to make as many decisions as
he feels comfortable, and keep him as happy as possible
while he's still here, because guess what, people aren't coming
to see Rob Polinka and Genie Buss at Crypto dot
Com Arena. They're coming there in their Lebron James jerseys

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to see Lebron James in the waning years of his
career where he's still a very effective ballplayer and still
could play at a championship level. But I digress to
talk about this next higher he wanted, JJ Redick. I
have a feeling what happened, and this is my own speculation.
I have a feeling JJ Reddick wanted a boatload of money.
And the reason why is because he understands, even though

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he likes Lebron and he works with Lebron in a
different capacity. And maybe this is partially because he works
with Lebron in a different capacity, he really understands what
this job will be. JJ Reddick will receive none of
the credit. If this goes well for the Lakers, Lebron
James not only will receive all the credit, but if
JJ Redick is having success as a first time ever

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head coach, Lebron James is going to get credit for
selecting hand selecting JJ Reddick to the position. So JJ
Redick gets zero praise while Lebron James is still a
Laker player On top of it, If things go sideways
at all, who's getting scapegoaded? Is it gonna be JJ
Redick or is it gonna be Lebron James. Well, it's
gonna be JJ Redick.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
So my guess is it's gonna be the Lakers for
hiring JJ Riwa or the Lakers.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
But it won't be Lebron. I guess who's gonna walk
the plank. It's not gonna be Politica, It's not gonna
be Genie Buss. It's gonna be JJ Redick. So my
point is what JJ Reddick probably did is he sat
down with his representation and then went, JJ, You've got
a pretty good life here as a broadcaster. You're making
a good amount of money over here calling game on
your podcast circuit. You're making great money with advertisers, You're

(01:00:04):
building your name in this space. You're one of the
most trusted voices on NBA basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Do you really want to do this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Well, you're pointing out the fact that it's a lose
lose for him. In other words, even if they win,
it's a lose because he won't get the credits.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
So I bet maybe he deserves I bet you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I still don't have official word that he is the
coach of this team.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
As a coach who is offered the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
A pretty big contract, Like, let's talk about the contract.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
By the way, what was it was? Was it five
years thirty two? Is that accurate? It was it four
years thirty two?

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
Four years thirty two million dollars right for a guy
who wasn't coach beyond youth level basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
And he did a great job with the youth teams.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Well, but it's not six years seventy million that they
offered Dan Hurley.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
But Dan Hurley has gone too back to back now
champions but with players who by the way, who do
you believe the same age of the players who currently
play in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Be two different stories here, but Chams versus Woge. Chams
has maintained from the day that they fired Darvin ham
both Reddick has been the guy that they were gonna hide,
I bet you, And it was until Woch came up
with that field.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
No, no, it was field, I bet you. Internally, the
Lakers had designs to try that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Why didn't they interview him earlier they had him, They
could have hired Dan Hurley this day.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
After Bron James runs the Lakers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Okay, and so when Lebron je never was the number
one guy I spoke to, No, he wasn't like I said,
he wasn't the Lakers meaning Genie Buss, meaning Rob Polinko
wasn't there. And this is my own speculation, but I
don't believe that they wanted JJ Reddick to be hired
or to be offered the type.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Of Well, then that would be my first question is
if if indeed Dan Hurley was the number one guy,
and the only I say my question to to JJ
Reddick would be simply this, JJ, do you believe if
you were not the podcast partner Lebron James, you would

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be the Lakers head coach right now? If you were
not the podcast partner of Lebron James, do you believe
right now you would be the head coach of the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
The answer is obviously no. The answer is obviously no.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Okayybody's getting he's getting hired off his relationship with him
Lebron James.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Look, that's what about the other players on the team.
Do they count No? No, no, okay, Lebron's there, hold
on very quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Let me lay this out for you. I think that
Lebron James wanted JJ. I bet you he asked for
an astronomical amount. The Lakers said, there's no way, Lebron.
I mean, come on, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
We're still paying Darvin ham by the way, yeah, like,
what what are we doing here? Like he's he's never
coached at any level.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
And then and then he probably finally acquiesced and said, well, listen,
maybe if we go back to your plan A, since
you guys are so caught up in Dan Hurley, offer
him whatever it is you're gonna offer him. Float that
to JJ, like, hey, buddy, we're gonna move on if
you don't If if you got cold feet, that's fine,
but like we're gonna move on and hire a coach
if it ain't you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
And so that's my guess is they tried to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Hel hold JJ Reddick's feet to the fire, using Dan
Hurley as a prop. Dan Hurley didn't mind because guess
what that does. That sweetens the deal that he can
go back to Yukon and get with them and continue.
In his mind, winning championships with Yukon but with a
much higher salary, and then Lebron ends up getting his coach.

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So this is a win win win for all involved.
Unless they struggle. Then it is a lose lose for
JJ Reddick because he will be handed all the blame
and potentially, like Monty Williams after a season, get a
boot to his.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Back out the door.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
All right, there's another layer to this story we're gonna
get to in a moment, but first let's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Find out what is trending right in a cope.

Speaker 9 (01:03:50):
All right, guys, the one thing I wanted to add,
I know you're gonna get back to it. But the
one thing in Woj's reporting I remember that doesn't make
sense is he was saying that Hurley was the target
from the begin What are you doing for a month? Yeah,
between firing Darvin Ham and lonating with him?

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Was the number one guy from the beginning, since his
season already was long over. Yeah, it wasn't like, you know,
Reddicks to got a job to do. Hurley was available
day one and by the way, they didn't actually meet
with Hurley until after the Woes report came out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
That was a not so veiled threat to JJ Reddick,
you lower your number or we will find someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
But you just gave him an offer of six years
seventy million dollars. So if you're Reddick, you're like, what
do you offering me? Four years thirty two million? But
you offered him six years seventy million. You're offering serious
money to a serious coach. JJ Reddick again has never
coached outside of the Christian youth athletically, but his argument
is Dan Hurley has never spent one day in the

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NBA on any level.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
I get it, but but I mean you can make
it look you could.

Speaker 10 (01:04:54):
You could spend this National Championships.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Yeah, you could spend this a million different ways to
showcase how much more Dan Hurley has experienced coaching.

Speaker 9 (01:05:05):
All he knows the Big East. Come on, I also
want to know. I don't know if you guys remember that.
I forget who JJ Redick went on a show with,
but it was right when stuff was heating up and
he was asked about, you know, addressing the job. He
said he was gonna address Sean specifically after the finals,
as if.

Speaker 10 (01:05:24):
He had an issue with it. It was some of
Sham's reporting.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
The Golic podcast.

Speaker 10 (01:05:28):
You remember that? Yeah, right, what was that all about?

Speaker 9 (01:05:32):
Because Sean, you know, yeah, I'm curious to see if
we find out what that was all about too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I'll tell you what I am. We probably won't.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
To be perfectly honest with you, we probably won't because
I bet you the Lakers probably.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Won't want him to. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
But but but the reality of the situation is I well,
actually I don't know what the nobody knows what the
reality of the situation. What it feels like is happening
is JJ wanted more money than the Lakers were willing
to spend on a first time coach, and so they
had to pivot and they and they kind of had
to put the screws to JJ. Now, by the way,

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this is all saying even without experience, I'm really curious
how JJ Reddick looks at.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
We'll get to that, and I think he could have success.
But yeah, I digress again.

Speaker 9 (01:06:15):
Where do you guys stand on jinxing perfect games or
no hitters in baseball? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
You talking about it? I don't believe in that at all. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
By the way, by the way, Vince Scully called more
no hitters than any announcer in the history of Baseball
he would refer to a no hitter while it was happening.

Speaker 9 (01:06:34):
I'm in full agreement, so I don't when do you
start to lean forward.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
You got to get to the six. You got to
get through six.

Speaker 9 (01:06:41):
Okay, Sonny Gray has just started the six and the
Giants don't have a base runner against Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Okay, because we has had somebody lifted from a seven
to inty no hitter having thrown less than one hundred pitches.

Speaker 9 (01:06:53):
Yeah, Sonny, Sonny Gray has been efficient. He's only had
fifty nine pitches. Just got the first soul. We'll keep well,
keep tabs on it. Still a little early, but we'll
keep tabs on that. In Saint Louis, Cardinals leading four
to nothing. Baseball News, Blue Jays infielder Aurelvis Martinez has
been suspended eighty games for violating the league's performance enhancing
drug policy. He was just called up on Friday, big

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prospect for Toronto. He apparently tested positive for a fertility
drug that is on baseball's banned substance list. Yankees acquired
infielder JD. Davis from the Athletics in exchange for a
minor league prospect. One final Phillies beat the Diamondbacks four
to one. Game two of the College World Series going on,
and Texas A and M leading one to nothing, and
they've just wrapped up the fourth inning there in Omaha.

(01:07:38):
Aggie's clinch the national title with a win. Today, got
the final round of the Travelers Championship in golf, winding
down Scottie Scheffler with a one shot lead on Tom
Kim Scheffler twenty two under.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
They've got two holes to play.

Speaker 9 (01:07:52):
In soccer, US men's national team debuting in Copa America
six Eastern on Fox. They're going to take on Bolivia.
He got Euro twenty twenty four group action going on
currently on FS one. No score between Scotland and Hungary.
Late in the first half on Big Fox, Switzerland with
a one to noth thing lead on host Germany. And
then finally guys coming up in about twenty five minutes,

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you got another battle between kayl and Clark and Angel
Reese the fever against this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Back to you, all right, Nick, thank you very much.
Once again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Hartman and Rich Ornberger
with you. All right, So now we have the draft
coming up, and by the way, if you look at
these mock drafts, there is one pick in the sixty
picks in this draft that everybody agrees upon. At number
fifty five, the Lakers will take Bronnie James out of
USC that is now absolutely etched in stone. So we

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have this curious case of still no introduction for the
Lakers on their new head coach, and the draft is
going to be three more days. And I'm thinking to myself,
all right, if you had the introductory introduction of JJ
reddig Is the new case head coach before the draft,
one of the obvious questions would be something along the

(01:09:05):
lines of, well, JJ, I know you recognize that being
the head coach of the Lakers with lebron James Anthony Davis,
anything less than winning a championship is deemed a failure.
Do you believe that drafting Bronnie James in the second
round is going to help you win this championship immediately?

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Because that's what people are expecting. You think that is
a good choice in terms of the urgency to the
Lakers to win a championship. Well, that's a very awkward question.
But what would his answer be? Well, check this out.
I think if this is intentionally done. JJ Reddick and
his camp are geniuses. I would drag my feet on

(01:09:49):
signing this contract too. I would let until after the draft.
I would let the Lakers draft Bronnie James before I'm
the head coach. Exactly, why would.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
I rush into a situation where they go, JJ, what
say did you have when the Lakers were drafting Bronnie James?
And what type of player do you think Bronnie James is?
And why did you want him on the roster if
you were involved in the selection? No thanks, no thanks.
Day one on the job. I'm answering those questions. No thanks.

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Week one on the job. Now Lakers draft Brownie James,
I drag my feet a little bit. I hammer out
the contract details and the incentives, the incentives in air quotes. Meanwhile,
I know my guys know that we're just waiting until
after the draft. He signed your contract, and then they say, so, JJ,
you're the new head coach, Bronni's on your team, what

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do you think of him as a player? Much different
conversation than what participation did you have in selecting Brownie?

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Very different discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I'll take it even a step further, so Lebron James
has this player option for fifty one million that he
still hasn't signed, right, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Two things for him to sign that deal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
One JJ Reddick gets the head coaching job, and two
Bronnie's a Laker.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Well, the fact of the matter is, as far as
JJ Reddick is concerned, it could be Lebron telling JJ
just hold on a second. Yeah, yeah, until we get Bronnie,
I'm not one hundred percent committed to playing for the
Laker organization. Phoenix Suns may sneak in and grab Bronni.

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There may be a team out there in an effort
to get my services, will take Bronni, knowing that's what
I want to do. Of Course, publicly he's downplayed off.
It's not a big deal to me, you know that,
just talk. This has been something he has openly talked
about for the last five years.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Wants to play with his son. He wants to play
with his son.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
So, but he's probably telling JJ, if we don't get him,
don't take this job. Yeah, well, where you got a
good job right now? Like I said, I want you
to be the coach, but only if I'm here.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
There might be Honestly, look there's NDAs signed during these
contract negotiations.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
You're not allowed to go to the public with this.
We're not allowed to go to the public with this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
I bet you there could be a pre contract in place,
And what I mean by that is a contract that
has nothing to do with monies. Maybe maybe there it's
a promisory note like something like, hey, we will pay
you the contract that we've agreed to if two things happen,
and a is Lebron James signs his contract and be

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we draft Brownie James, right, And maybe this is almost
like an olive branch from JJ to Lebron. So if
you're gonna help me out, JJ, you got to help me.
You got the It needs to be a reciprocal task.
You need to make sure that you hold the Lakers
accountable to otherwise they're gonna look like they have.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Egg on their face.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
They don't get the coach, they don't get kid, they
don't get the goat night.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
And that's how it goes exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
And if if Lebron's gone, why would JJ Reddick take
that joke.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Lebron's gone, it means Bronni's not there, right, If Bronni's
not there, and why would JJ go and coach the
Lebron list Lakers and he would just go back to
the house. Not And that's the whole point. So why
is there a delay on Reddick? It's simple.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
They stopped to wait on the draft on Wednesday to
see if they're gonna get Bronnie James.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
And they still have to get that extension.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
And by the way, you know, Lebron's not going to
pick up a player option unless they're added years added
to that deal.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
So there's still a lot of pieces. What a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
This has become an absolute embarrassment for the Lakers organization.
All right, coming up on the other side, let's talk
about the basketball league everyone talks about. It's called the
w NBA. They got storylines we actually have interest in.
We'll break it down. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve
Hartman and Retch Ororenberger Here Fox Sports Sunday. We're live
from the tire Raq dot Com studios, Rich feeding us.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Good call. Pizza works every single time. Yeah, tough to
go wrong with pizza, it really is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
And also my favorite toppings on pizza. And I know
this sounds controversial. Growing up in New York as a
New Yorker, it's pepperoni or cheese, but I hollapanos and pepperoni.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Yeah, it's good call. How about some fresh garlic on
top of that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
You know the garlic. I'll add the garlic this time.
I added the garlic.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
I like it. It's good for the heart.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
If you eat that entire pizza, it will not be
but one slice of that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
That's right, all right, As I burp right into the
mic hey A right. WNBA Sky versus Fever. How many
people actually knew the name of the Indiana franchise of
the w NBA before Caitlin Clark was drafted.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
No, dude, no nobody. He didn't have a fever hat.
I didn't have a fever hat or a scar for
a jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
How about the Chicago Sky? Did you know that team?
So the Sky? No?

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
In fact, I still struggle sometimes because I'll play gaily
Fantasy sometimes and it'll be like Caitlin Clark is playing
against atl I'm like, well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
I'm fairly certain that's still Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
Let me think Atlanta and I play this game with
I mean, it's a game with myself. I'll just be like,
all right, well, let me try to think if I
know the team name for the w NBA Atlanta team
off the top of my head, and so I'll just
sit there and be like, I'll be like, Okay, is
it the Atlanta the Atlanta?

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
What's in Atlanta? The Atlanta? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
The Atlanta weather. No, that's that can't be it's too normal.
The Atlanta beaches, the Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
About the beaches, beaches in Atlanta, in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
But how about this, do you know what the Atlanta
team's name is? The Atlanta Morris Sets.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
That was actually a good one, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
It is the Atlanta Dream, the Atlanta Dream. Of course,
it's always been a dream.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
Well so, dude, like I mean, but so the answer
to your question is absolutely not. And the only reason
why I would even know that is because of Caitlin
Clark's impact on the WNBA. It has brought so much
more fame or infamy, depending on what side you land
on this debate.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
To the league.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Well, the bottom line is her team is actually what's
been interesting over the last.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Couple of days. Finally the fever of a winning streak.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
They won four in a row, and now we're getting
vocal support of her by her teammates.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Her teammates have been.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
By and large the Boston girl who is the number
one overall picking the draft lash out of South Carolina
now is publicly stating about, you know, some of the
turnovers and everything else, that it's really on all of us.
You know, it's not all on her. We just got
to get used to her game on all these turnovers.
So she's now getting support from her teammates because they're winning.
Remember you start the season zh to four, you know,

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they had a horrific start, and you're a teammate like
this girl's getting all this attention. We're losing more games
than ever, it's hard to buy in. Well, now they're
actually winning games, So she is getting support from her teammates.
But for the people going to this game today again,
tickets are going for ten times what they were going
for the exact same matchup a year ago, ten times.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
The ticket price.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
And it's all because of this Angel Reese dynamic with
Caitlyn Clark. So the last time they played, Angel Reaves
dropped the hammer on her on her head, she goes down,
she gets a flagrant foul out of it, And these
are the kind of things Angel Reeves. Believe me, she's
a marketing genius. She knows as long as she attaches
herself to Caitlin Clark, it's going to be good for

(01:17:51):
her social media followings and everything else. By the way,
the All Star voting's coming out, She's in the top
seven of the All Star voting. Angels, Angel reas be
the case for a rookie like her if she wasn't
attached to Kaitlin Clark.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Obviously, the answer is no.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
So if you're going to that game today or watching
that game today, what you want to see is a
repeat performance from Ange Reese.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Oh yeah, drop the hammer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Well, at some point, Kaitlin Clark may just have her
breaking points, saying I can't take this anymore, and she
jumps up to essentially defend herself. Can you imagine if
we actually had a full on brawl between Kaitlin Clark
and Angel Reese.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Or or another Chicago player puts a hit out on
Caitlin Clark. So clearly it was Kennedy Carter, who, by
the way, the only reason why I know her name
is because she, I mean cleared out Caitlyn Clark off
the baseline.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
We're not talking about Kennedy Carter anymore now that Rese.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Well, she was the most recent one. But what happens
if another Chicago player wants to get the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Imagine and with all their history with Angel Reese and
Caitlin Clark, if it actually got down to a brawl
like we saw, oh doctor J put a headlock on
Larry Bird.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
At one point, there would be nothing like it. I mean,
so unreal would explode. Look, people like to label things,
you know, so it's uh, you know, when she first
got into the league, it was you know, racial, and
then it was you know, heterosexuality versus homosexuality, and then
and then obviously a lot of those things aren't sticky

(01:19:32):
because nobody's buying it, really, you know what I mean,
Like I guess maybe there are certain factions who are
willing to fight in those those fringes and they will forever.
But what this comes down to is, frankly, and whether
Caitlyn Clark wants to say it or not, there's real,
like on court hatred between these two players.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
She doesn't like her and she doesn't like her. And
that is great first ball.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
That is great first bore when you just need to
take it next level and.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
You have two big names who don't like each other,
and one is inarguably bigger Caitlin Clark obviously, but they
don't They legitimately don't like each other.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Oh it's sam Is and Iowa a loyal Come on,
you wants Caitlin Clark to fight back?

Speaker 7 (01:20:14):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
You gotta take her down?

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Oh man, that would be the ultimate. All right, much
more coming up. This is Fox Sports Sunday having fun
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way tire buying should be. Now. A lot of people
are referring to the dog days of summer on the
sports calendar, But right now we got we've got a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Of things going on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
We got Texas A and M trying to wrap up
a College World Series title still leading Tennessee one nothing.
If a An wins this game, they win the College
World Series first time ever. If they lose, they'll be
a deciding game tomorrow, and then we've got the tip
off now of Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese, Yeah, Fever
versus Sky tomorrow, Game seven of the Stanley Cup Final,

(01:21:14):
NBA Draft coming up on Wednesday, so we're not quite
to the dog days yet.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
We got plenty to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Talk about with some very interesting storylines. But yes, indeed
we are getting ready for this. One side note here, Yeah,
Rich and I of course have worked together for many
many years. We've worked marnings, We've worked afternoons, we've worked weekends,
We've worked any possible conceivable.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Idea of a show over the years.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
The only thing that Rich and I really have in
common is that we both went to Big ten schools.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
That's right, Rich, the Penn Stater. Yes, you cla Big
ten schools. That's right now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Where we are furthest apart in our personalities and the
way we conduct our lives is that Rich is a handyman.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Oh dude, not barely. You are a handyman.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
I am the least handiest person known to man, like zero,
and because of that, no one ever dreams of asking
me to do anything, knowing that I have no aptitude
to do anything other than type stats or you know
pretty much along those.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
But hang on, let me jump in here.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
But you also you don't fake it though, no, like
so so there. Look, there are certain people and everybody
has one in their life.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Yeah, who who think who think they know more than
they do?

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
And and those people can be dangerous at times, especially
when it comes to handling plumbing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Or electrical problems.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
Yes, yes, because because then all of a sudden you
have somebody who has, you know, like you were talking about,
like zero aptitude for the task. Try to do, you know,
a quick fix, and you could end up with a
flood or a fire, and and that can get real.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
I can get out of hand fast.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
But you are someone that is asked to do certain things.
Yeah yeah, not only in your own home, but even
maybe for your in laws or you're that guy like hey, Rich,
can you fix something for us?

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
And it'll it'll always start that way, it's like can
you do it? And then I'll be honest. If it's
something that's beyond my scope or ability, I will I
will gladly say no, I cannot do that. But if
it is something I can handle, which again yeah it's
not much. I'm you're way overblowing this, there are times
where I can be handy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
One thing I will tell.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
You is I I do appreciate sometimes the solitude that
comes when you have like the back of a toilet
tank off and like nobody's gonna come and bother you
to do anything else. Somebody else is watching the kids say,
you know, nobody's asking you to help them with the
food because you're up here elbows in toilet water, you know,
So there is some solace to that and all the while, Like,

(01:23:58):
for example, if I was being asked to do a repair,
a bathroom repair right now, do you know what would
be playing in my ear? I have a YouTube TV
app on my phone and I do this with football,
do with the with baseball, and I haven't yet done
it with the WNBA, and I won't have to today
because we have it on on a television here in studio.

(01:24:18):
But I promise you if I was at home doing
some handyman work, doing some yard work, I would be
on that YouTube TV app I would have. I would
have it open and playing this game because I am.
I can't tell you if the and of Fever are
better than the Chicago sky or for the Chicago skyer.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Better than the Indiana Fever. I can't tell you if actually,
right now the Fever are better than the sky. Okay,
well great, I had no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
I can't tell you if I either of these two
teams are in playoff contention. I can't tell you even
if Angel Reese is a good player in the WNBA,
I have no idea. I'm not a WNBA fan, but
you know what, I am a fan of this storyline.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Yes, and by the way, Caitlin Clark just hit a
three to start the game, so right off the bat,
the Fever off to that three.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Nothing laid down three to too.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
By the way, I am, I am admittedly a fan
of Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
I didn't why do you like Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Because of how she's handled all the hype. It is
an insane an insane amount of pressure that comes with
being a celebrity. And I don't want to like overstate
it because like, you know, look, there are people who
are digging ditches for a living, and I'm sure they
would trade in, you know, that job for being famous

(01:25:32):
and handling the pressure that comes with being famous gladly.
But but my point is the people who have the
composure not only to handle the fame, but also are
famous because they have specific talents and to keep that
talent alive and nurture it and then even improve at
it like she has so far this season in the WNBA.
Those are people of specific interest to me. Lebron James.

(01:25:55):
Lebron James was called the one Yes Come High coming
out of high school before he even stepped foot onto
a court in the NBA, and somehow he made that
prophecy true. He's never stepped in it in his personal life.
He's never had any huge scandal. All he's been is
a champion and by the way, occasionally controversial because of

(01:26:18):
political views, but whatever. We're living in a time where
athletes are more than just athletes, So you're gonna hear
more about athletes and their opinions than you ever did
back in the nineties and all that stuff when I
was growing up. Like like this, this kid, she's still
a kid, is handling a world's worth of attention. She
is the biggest name to ever play in her league ever,

(01:26:39):
and she's handling it with class and grace.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
She's an incredible story.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
They want to bait her to bait right now. It's
a back and forth game Chicago Lady and a to fight.
By the way, you mentioned you know a certain calm
when you have an open toilet, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
You're working on it. Yeah, that's right to me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
My greatest accomplishment with any toilet is when I flush
and it actually goes all.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
The way down, like like you've completed the act, like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
It's finished, Like you're not gonna have to reach for
the plunger you didn't over you know, when when I
hear that, the sound of a fully flushed toilet, that
gets me going.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Well, that that that gets me excited. I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
It's the little things in life. If you concentrate on them, you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Get the full flush. I'll tell you. Do you flush
when you're on the seat or only when you get up? Well?

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
No, no, no, listen, you have to be some sort
of animal if you don't courtesy flush.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
I mean you have to. I mean, what are you
embracing in a barn? Well, if you're still, if you
if you really okay, now listen, there's two debates.

Speaker 4 (01:27:42):
There's two debates because some people are like, oh, save
the planet, water conservation.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
You know, if it's yellow le let, the mellow if
it's brown flushing. No, no, no, no, listen to me here. No.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
And then by the way, my boys engaged in that,
you know, not flushing. I go, we're we're not walk
to a toilet if it's not flush. Yeah, this isn't
This isn't mobili. We're not hanging out with ballue. This
isn't the jungle bush. We're we're How much money does
it cost in water to flush?

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
I do get I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
I don't you do your boys flush all the time?

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
No, they don't. They used to wait till they're older
and still pull in their feral animals.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
These two kids, they're oftentimes seen at the early aughts
of the morning knocking over trash cans. Our neighbors flash flashlights,
and then they freeze and then they run and they're terrors.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
No, these children, they're they're being raised there. I mean,
we're raising them. It's our fault. But they're animals, don't
I hear. Here's the thing. Yeah, I'm gonna stop you
right there as a parent.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Yeah, no matter how good or bad.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Your kids are, Yeah that's right, yeah good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Do not take the blame or the credit. They are
their own people. That I mean, that's a parent. All
you're just saying, like, we're here and we love you
and we're going to you know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Take care of But whoever they are, they've already made
their choice, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Yeah, like it has nothing to do with you or
your wife or anyone else. They're making their own choice.
People don't understand how this works. I swear I was
leaving for the studio this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
We're visiting my mother, my mother in law, my father
in law, my wife's parents, and I'm walking out the
front door.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna head out. I'm
doing the radio show. Be back in a few hours.
And my kid is.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Literally putting the Arnold Schwarzenegger predator paint on his face
and he's going, Dad, do you know where my mini
gun is?

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
I was like, you're what I'm getting out of here? Anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
So, yeah, we're raising wild animals exactly, But but.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
They're they're making their own choices. Your adult son should
be flushing the toilet. This is absurd.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Hey, I'm telling you, what are you doing? I mean,
I'm not just talking yellow either.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
No, I know you're talking the full I'm telling you, boys,
aren't raised though, until they marry their wives.

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
No, like, no gonna flush a toilet, like because toilet
made a toilet seat down.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
No guy closes a toilet seat, nobody. No guy voluntarily
closes a toilet seat. Women like to close the toilet seat.
They're constantly reminded close the toilet. See what guy does that?
You got flush it? You gotta flush, flush the toilet.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
I always flushed. But anyway, I got a scream at
him next time. Unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
But I mean when I walk in, you know it commons,
you know, and I and they're no, No.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
I mean legitimately I was. I'm teasing my kids because
they're re enacting the scene where it's like, what the
CIA's got you do? Pushing too many pencils?

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
And and meanwhile, when I was in college, I mean,
all these same complaints, we were complaints that you could
have levied against me.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
And then I got married and I was finally house broke.
Yeah exactly, that's what somebody finally got me. I turned
into a house Do you put the toilet set down? Dude?
In fact, this is the trick.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
If you're a guy, You've getting yelled at your whole
life for keeping the toilet seat up.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Do you have a toilet seat cover? Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
And do you know what the ultimate? Do you know
what the ultimate like? And it's it's subtle, it's a
little passive aggressive. But what they say to you when
they say put the toilet seat down, they mean literally
the seat. Yes, they don't want the cover down. No,
the Yeah. So guess what this is? How you, in
a low key way, you get them back. You you

(01:31:25):
include the cover. So when they when they say when
they say put the toilet seat down, I'm putting the
cover down too. So if you wake up in the
middle of the night and you're barrassing the toilet cover,
that's your fault.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
All right. So while we're talking toilet seat covers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Flushing, right now, Caitlin Clark is drilling threes and Indiana's
up thirteen ten?

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Yes, Sam oh, Nick Coke, Oh, Nick, No, you guys
are barbarians.

Speaker 10 (01:31:50):
You don't put the cover down.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
No, No, I do. I do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
What I'm saying is I.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Do, Steve?

Speaker 10 (01:31:55):
Steve, okay you he doesn't put the cover down?

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
My own, my own. And I'll explain that I clean.
I thought this actually clean. It actually can expel little
particles into the air. Yes, I'm looking at my space.
Particle expulsion? Is that what you just said? Close the

(01:32:20):
cover and your reason?

Speaker 9 (01:32:22):
Okay, the same reason I keep a toothbrush cover on
the toothbrush because of its protestity.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
You know, you're one of these guys. You're You're like
Mark Summers are doubled there? How many? How many times? A? Yeah?
Howard you? How many jars of your do you have to? No?

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
No, no, listen, how often are you washing your hands? Nickcope,
like per day on average?

Speaker 9 (01:32:43):
Not any more than the average. It's just a bad
The bathroom is small. It feels like everything's on.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Top of each other.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
So listen, Google AI has just informed me of something.
So do you spray when a toilet is flushed?

Speaker 8 (01:32:55):
From my wife?

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Tiny invisic dude, this has to be untrue. You spray
in the bathroom? I do, yeah, because I want a
tolerable living environment.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
It releases tiny invisible particles into air, along with liquids
and solids.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Yes, I read an article and then they attached to you,
and then you carry it to the rest and everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
Athogen's flushing process, but out of mizes into liquid grow.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
Very rarely will actually make you ill, but I'm just
saying it does happen.

Speaker 9 (01:33:25):
It's like the toilet version of microplastics, like the bathroom.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Okay, stop these, I mean they're eventually from an editorial.
These poop particles can travel up to six point six
feet per second.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
What in the world is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
When you're done, you should actually flush with the seat down.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
No, the cover down, yeah, everything, the whole the whole
kit and then yes, but I don't I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
You still think I does that? Nobody? After I read
this article, I started become more conscious of this.

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
So I'm telling you right now we need to take
a break because my brain hurts, like I I this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Is this This started with me talking about rich Bey
and a handyman.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
Right, this is alarming information. I think everybody needs a breathe.
I think we're gonna circle.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
The wagons that bathroom break. We're going, yeah, grabs some
more pizza. By the way, the bathroom in this building,
go ahead. I've never seen that seat down.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Wow, have you? I think people put it back up
so that people don't know. That's because anas.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
Yeah, that is we are atomizing uh poop particles there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
And I utilize it because other people will using it sooner.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Point six feet per second, reaching as high as four
point nine.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Feet faster than you say. Bolt, dude, that's a.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Post COVID article. That's like things traveling through the air.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
Only person out of range, like height wise is Victor Wemanana.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
That's it exactly so even it would reach him in
a matter of seconds, it'll hit his chin at least
terrifying unreal. Okay, on the other side, anything other than
what we've been talking about. This is Fox Sports Sunday.
All right, things have settled down a little bit around here.
Steve Harbin and Rich Armberger, Fox Sports Sunday. We're live

(01:35:17):
from the tai Iraq dot Com studios. Fever leading the
Sky twenty four to twenty three. Very disappointing games so far.
No heart fouls, no fights, nothing, just basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
It's not what I'm watching.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
High scoring for WNBA game twenty four to twenty three,
with one hundred minute to goo, let's stop. You're on
pace for a ninety eight ninety three count damp stop stop, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
One's only reason I'm watching this game is to see
Angel Rees put the hammer down on Caitland Clark and
now Caitlin Clark defending herself.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Okay, so.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
Angel Reese is defending paired up against Melyssa Smith and
Angel Reicas hit a couple of layups, and she has
given the stink guy and some some trash talk to
Melissa Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
It's getting it's.

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
Getting hot, she's trying to agitate, it's getting hot.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
Here's caggle.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
So when something like that actually happens, we'll call attention
to it. Uh, you remember when Aaron Rodgers said call
it a boast or whatever that people are sort of
like obsessed with me, like either like you like me
or you hate me. People always want to talk about me.

(01:36:31):
So it happened again. The Jets had mandatory mini camps
mandatory he didn't show and the Jets even said it
was unexcused. He just didn't show up. And so there
was a lot of buzz in the media and everything else.
But then Julian Edelman, a fellow Super Bowl MVP, called

(01:36:55):
him out talking about the fact that Tom Brady may
have missed a few OTAs along the way after twenty
years in the league, but as far as mandatory mini camp,
you never missed a single one, especially when you've been
out the whole year, You're coming off the injury, and
you got some new players, some new receivers. Yeah, there's
some value to that mandatory mini camp to sort of

(01:37:19):
show the team that hey, I'm back, I'm ready to go,
introduce yourself to some of your teammates, some of the receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Just throw the ball around. Doesn't mean you have to,
you know, jeopardize yourself health wise. It just being there as.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
The leader of the team. So where do you stand
right now in this whole Aaron, What are you expecting
of Aaron Rodgers this season? Because my expectations, by the way,
are zero.

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
Oh okay, no, we're very different places. My expectations of
Aaron Rodgers are the same thing that I expected from
the Jets a year ago. The Jets are a super
Bowl caliber team in terms of their talent. They were
a quarterback away last year, and I feel strongly that
they're still there and Aaron Rodgers has to show up

(01:38:05):
and be ready to play at a super Bowl level
otherwise this is a failure. Now, look, if you aim
for the super Bowl and you fall short after sneaking
in as a wild card and giving a great run
in the divisional round or you know, you make it
to the AFC Championship as a divisional winner and you
just get flamed.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
By I don't know, name it the Chiefs, the Baltimore Ravens. Whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
Okay, well, I'm sure Nick or Jets fans they can
handle that. But the reality of the situation is that's
a really really good defense that was a horribly under utilized,
talented offense.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
With a really bad coach.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I'm sorry, Robert Salaz proven to me he is not
a good head.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
What what coach looks good without a great quarterback? I
mean so few. You need a great quarterback in this league.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
I mean, and name a great like great, great, great,
great head coach that didn't have a great quarterback. It's
hard to do, and it's because it's a quarterback driven
league and it always has been.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
You had a quarterback it took with a second overall
pick who had ample opportunity to show I don't know,
improvement over three years.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Did he He's stunk?

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Look he will he ever looked like he got any
kind of coaching or anything that made his game better.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
No, don't get me wrong, he didn't develop, and that
could be on the Jets, or it could be on
the player. But here's my guess. You put Aaron Rodgers
out there healthy last year. Jets are a playoff team.
Jets are a playoff team. Look that's my expectation. Now
I could be horribly wrong. Aaron Rodgers could be the

(01:39:42):
wrong choice, or Aaron Rodgers could be done. It's possible.
But I have belief in Aaron Rodgers and his talent.
I have belief in him as a superlative quarterback in
this league.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
Head belief in him as a team leader. Here's the problem.
Leadership is an interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
Conversation when it comes to Aaron Rodgers, and there's a
lot of different ways to lead do. I think it
was smart for him to miss mandatory mini camp, especially
if it wasn't excused by the coach, coaching staff and
the and the you know, the general manager and whoever
else that he had to try to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Okay, that'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
One of those other teammates that you know obviously don't
want to be there, but because it's mandatory, they were there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
I agree with what Julian Edelman said.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
I think it's a bad look and look, Jules, he
was a former teammate of mine, Julian Edelman is the
perfect example of a tryhard guy who turned himself into
something great.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Self made play oh unbelieved little help from Tom.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
Brow Now listen, he but he had to work his
ass off to gain Tom brady trust. Tom Brady had
Wes Welker when Julian Edelman cracked that roster by the
way as a seventh round quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Right, he was a quarterback in college and he was
return teams guys turned.

Speaker 4 (01:40:56):
Punt gunner on the outside, running down to make tackle.
I mean, like this guy did all he was Basically
he was the repair guy on this day. I mean,
I'm pretty sure I saw him plunging a toilet at
one point, anything to stay on this team. And then
he endeared himself to Tom Brady when they moved him
to receiver because he basically chased him around the country
or internationally during the offseason, begging him to throw it right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
So you work out with him on the beaches, whatever
you're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
Yeah, whatever it was, it was hip pocket. If Tom
needed a receiver to throw to, Julian would be there
within minutes. And so that's how he earned his way
onto roster. So for Julian Edelman, who, like you said,
fell a Super Bowl MVP, several Super Bowl championships won
while he played with the Patriots. If Julian Edelman says
that it's it's unexcused is a bad look, I.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
Agree with him. Well, he brought up Tom Brady, Yeah,
he said. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Later in his career, would he miss a couple of OTAs, Sure,
but mandatory mini camp No, never once missed him.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
Now, now again, there's a lot of different ways to lead.
You know, there's the Bill Belichi and there's.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
A message of the air Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
What's his message to his teammates not showing up for
managementory mini camps when he has no excuse?

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
Yeah, I mean other than the fact that he just
didn't want to go.

Speaker 4 (01:42:11):
By the way, the excuse is I'm Aaron Rodgers and
I knew I could.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
Okay, I don't know if that's really endearing to a team.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
I'm not a same sport. But I'm just sorry. I'm
telling you that's the excuse. It's it's I missed it
because I knew I could. Because if you fly in
a football team, it's not a good look. I'm telling you,
nobody likes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
It more than any other sport. It's a team sport.
Now doesn't matter how big your celebrity is, you have
to be part of that team.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Now. Now again, he could have this, you know whatever,
it is obstacle that he's created for himself in terms
of being a team leader this offseason. He goes into
this season, and if he plays well, he's obviously gonna
curry favor with this roster and water under the bridge.
But if he struggles, if he goes out there and

(01:43:03):
he's not Aaron Rodgers, if he goes out there and
he looks unprepared, if he goes out there and he
doesn't look healthy, if he goes out there and he's
he's and they're losing, even if he's playing kind of
well and they're losing, I'm telling you that media landscape is.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
Waiting to pounce on him.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
That team now has an excuse to go after him
because of his unexcused absence. And there will be players
in that locker room who I promise you will if
things go sideways, because by the way, there's a lot
of different opinions in a locker room. Like you said,
it's a team, and it's a huge team. You're talking
about fifty plus people who are impactful on a roster.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
It's not an accident. And I'll give the NFL credit
for this. You know, the schedule is very strategic. Look
at the opening schedule for the Jets. They want Aaron
Rodgers obviously to be good. Home against the Jaguars, yep,
home again against the Bills, YEP at the Seahawks, home

(01:44:04):
against the Titans.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
At the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Now, if you're not four and one after those five games,
if Aaron Rodgers is healthy and playing, I mean that's
that's a four and one start, right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
Wait a second, go through that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Jags at home, Bills at home at the Seahawks. No,
night's at home at the Patriots. They think that Jets can't. No, No,
they open.

Speaker 4 (01:44:30):
At the forty nine ers. They open at the forty
nine ers September ninth, and then they.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
What what what am I looking at? I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
I don't think you're looking at the right season, am I? Yeah,
I think you're looking at the wrong season. They open
on h I think.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Oh, I know why, because I'm looking at the Dolphins schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
I clicked the wrong team. All right, That's that's on me.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
I know there Monday Night Football, can they can they
get Miami scheduled? Then yeah, it's a lot more sets. Yeah,
Monday Night Football. They open on the road in San Francisco.
Then they go to Tennessee. Oh, I see what happened there?
And they was like like.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Well they did the Jets of favor, they did Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Oh now I see, yeah at San Francisco at Tennessee,
New England home, Denver at home, Minnesota home.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
All right, well still that should be.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
A four to one start, right yeah, I mean if
you lose to San Francisco, fight at Tennessee, Titans are good.
And then three straight home games against the dreadful Patriots,
dreadful Denver in Minnesota without Kurt Jackson.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
Well they do have to go on the road to Minnesota.
But but what yeah, yeah, yeah they got to play.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
That on No, that game set a neutral site, no
way where that's a London game.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
Yes, that's a London in London. That's a London game.
See now I might on that one. I knew that one.
So that one, and then they have a home game
against Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
But listen, it's early and I mean, does Aaron Rodgers
like to wake up at six thirty Pacific time.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
That's quite But now he meets San Francisco on that
opening game. See this is it's a game change.

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
Okay, so sat going to but say they lurch out
of the gates though somehow they drop the first two.
I'm telling you right now, the roster, the coaching staff,
the front office, the New York media has all they
need to bring this up and make it a problem
for Ann Rodgers. And by the way, this will not

(01:46:22):
be a story if they start off four and one,
if they're coming home from a London trip and they've
won four games, and if.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
They're hosting the Bills in their next game, they're gonna
be fine.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
Nobody's gonna be talking about the OTAs or the mini camps.

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
Nobody's gonna care.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
But if they come, if they lurch out of the gate,
if this team is struggling early, even if they look
a little wonky offensively, even if it's one of those
things where hey, you know they're three and two, but
Rogers doesn't look comfortable with this offense, people are going
to be referencing the fact, well, maybe that mini camp
was everything.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
The truth is it probably isn't. But the mess sent
to his roster.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
Is I care about whatever it was I was doing
rather than being here with you guys. That is the
problem with missing that mini camp, and that's the problem
with missing it with it with without an excuse. Now,
I don't know if this was a situation where everybody
was expecting Rogers to show up and he didn't and
that's the reason why it was regarded unexcused. I don't
know if this was a situation where he had told them, hey,

(01:47:25):
this is the reason why I want to miss mini
camp and they said, well, that's not a reason we
permit anybody to miss mini camp. Whatever the disagreement was,
the fact that it was handled the way it was
handled is a bad look for Aaron Rodgers and frankly
a bad look for the Jets because now this becomes
a story.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
I knew that they had six primetime games, the most
in the league, but after that opening game, Monday night
game at San Francisco, their next five primetime games are
all at home.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
Yeah, that's before their bye week. Well, and you talk
about doing a favor to so by the.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
Way, and then also that Vikings game in London is
a standalone game. They have seven games, Yeah, seven games
slated this season where they are the only thing on
TV during their time slot.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Amazing. All right, let's find out what's trending right now.
Nick's been standing by.

Speaker 10 (01:48:15):
Yes I have Yeah, Rich, you just made the point there.

Speaker 9 (01:48:17):
The NFL totally hedging on a the Jets stinking or
b Rogers getting hurt with all those standalone games coming
before November.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
Yeah, exactly before their bye week, guy Ron, I mean,
in the first eleven week.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
It's a serious bet.

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
But you know, look, it's very interesting how the NFL
discussed this also when the schedule came out, basically basically
the the whatever, the lead programmer with the NFL said, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
The Jets always won.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
You know, I have to And it was kind of
a joke because Rogers got hurt the year before.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Everybody's expecting New York to be good.

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
But that's the reason why they they kind of scheduled
this gauntlet of prime time because they want the Jets
to be good and showcase the Jets.

Speaker 9 (01:49:00):
So we got a lot of stuff going on in
the sports world, guys, College World Series, Texas A and
m inching closer one to nothing. They continued to lead
Tennessee a first inning home run has stood up to
this point. They're in the seventh inning. A win today
for the Aggies, they win the national title. If Tennessee
can come back, that would force a decisive game three
tomorrow night. How did some drama at the Travelers Championship

(01:49:23):
guys protesters on the eighteenth green with the final group
that includes Scotti, Scheffler, and Tom Kim coming to assess
their approach shots or their shots around the green. Five
protesters from all corners surrounding the green come down the hill.
They have some sort of not tear gas, but some

(01:49:43):
sort of white and red gas that comes on and
made a mess of the grind they had to start.
They all got arrested, They had to stop play for
a little bit, and they are now in a sudden
death playoff. Tom Kim able to settle down Birdie eighteen
to draw even with Scheffler.

Speaker 10 (01:50:00):
Now they're in a sudden death playoff.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
Nick, I'm showing Steve the visual.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
You can see this guy running in through the bunker
by the way, which he never grabbed the rake, so
no golf out a.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
Kid there and then well they're throwing throwing smoke bombs.
Smoke bombs onto the green.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
And it looks like the golfers are nervous but also
kind of humored by watching the security.

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
I thing would be like, where security, Hello, I'm sorry.
I was talking with with Bo and Martin here. What
are they protesting exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
We don't know. We don't know, Okay, so I was
actually kind of listening. Yeah, yeah, but is it animal rights?
Is it climate change? We don't know what we got here.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
They're gonna glue themselves to They're not Scottie Scheffler fans.

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
Oh, okay, it's multiple Just stop oil protesters storming the food.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Now, this is a better way to protest than at
the eighteenth green of a golf tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Okay. Yeah. Also, there was recent to finish his stonehenge.
I saw that there was.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
Oh and somebody I think spray painted Taylor Swift's playing.
I think it was the same group. So they're doing this.
They're trying to make themselves seen.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
They're definitely they're doing the scene.

Speaker 10 (01:51:09):
So we'll see how this ends up. Guys.

Speaker 9 (01:51:11):
But if Scotti Shuffler wins, it would be a sixth
win already this year. That'd be the most in a
single season since Tiger Woods in two thousand and nine.

Speaker 10 (01:51:20):
So we'll see.

Speaker 9 (01:51:21):
They're about to hit their approach shots in their sudden
death playoff Baseball Blue Jays infielder Urelvis Martinez suspended eighty
games for violating the league's performance enhancing drug policy. Yankees
acquired infielder JD. Davis from the Athletics in exchange for
a minor league process prospect. Excuse me, let's go to
Fever and Sky the matchup between Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese.

(01:51:43):
It's a thirty nine to thirty five lead for Indiana.
Kaitlin Clark has eight points, five assists, three boards, Angel
Reese six points and five rebounds. US men's national team
will make its debut in Copa America coming up at
six Eastern. They're gonna get group play going facing Bolivia.
That is on on at FUNX. He also have Erguay
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(01:52:05):
You've got Switzerland on top of Germany and Scotland and Hungary.
Our score list late in the second half of those one.
Switzerland and Germany will advance to the knockout stage.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Back to you, Ahi, Nick, Thank you very very very
very much, by the way, speaking of golf, Rich, Yeah,
if you were playing in the Super Bowl, yeah yeah, yeah.
Tom Brady is leading the Patriots down for the game
winning drive and got a big play coming up, and

(01:52:38):
you miss a block and Brady gets hit, fumbles the
ball and you lose the game. Go Now, everyone wants
to talk to you after the game. Would you pull
to Rory McElroy as he left the grounds after choking
those two putts on sixteen to eighteen and jetted out
of town and did not face them, How would you

(01:53:00):
have handled that?

Speaker 4 (01:53:01):
I don't think I would have done that. Now, I
can't speak for I've never been in that situation, so
I can't say for certain, but I like to trust
myself that I would have handled it with a little
bit more dignity and composure than Rory did. If I
was in a situation where, you know, sometimes sports don't

(01:53:22):
work out, and sometimes you're the reason why it doesn't
work out. Your mistakes cost your team or yourself a
chance to experience real glory.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Well, this is an individual sports. There's certainly no one
else to blame.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
I mean, and and that's the facts, Like you know,
and he knows what's expected of him. This is in
a situation where he's some you know, amateur, just got
his pro card, and you know, he didn't realize that
there was going to be a big problem with him
leaving the course. Rory, I'm curious if this one didn't
hurt him more than some of the other hit he

(01:53:56):
had had to because he had it won.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
He had a one shot lead to play. He misses
two three footers. If he hits them both, he wins
the US Open.

Speaker 4 (01:54:06):
He's he's an interesting character, like this guy was when
he was first coming into golf. He was he was
supposed to be the next Tiger Woods, and he looked
like he was going to be pretty close. He got
the the billion dollar contractor hundreds of million dollar contract
with Nike Golf.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
Boom thrattled up for majors like that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:25):
I mean, and he was on pace to scorch the
PJA for years to come. And then it just it
just settled, and it settled into this weird space where
he's still.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
An extremely talented golfer.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
He's always at the top of the leaderboard, but where
he settles is like he's always the bridesmaid. Like he
makes these incredible runs through Thursday and Friday and sometimes
even Saturday, but then.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
He cools off. Yeah, and this was the worst example
of that. Here's one. This was a choke job.

Speaker 4 (01:54:55):
Here's one thing I do know is there was a
documentary crew apparently with him, who had cameras on him.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
I assume who left with him. So I can't wait
to see that documentary. I think it was. I think
it was student Netflix. All right, Well, that I would
like to see.

Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
Because we may have some insight into exactly how hard
this went for him.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
All right, what's gonna come up this week? We got
a lot at the draft, we got a Game seven
of the Stanley Cup Final.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
We'll break it all down.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin, Rich Ornberger, Fox
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I love this song, all right, So I gonna thank
our crew today. Nick Cope came in today for Monsey.

(01:55:46):
I will not tell you where Monsey is today. She
wants to tell you. She'll tell you next week. That's right, Yeah, listen,
it's up to her. Up to her, of course, our
brilliant producer, bo I want your last prediction here when
will JJ Reddick be introduced as the new head coach

(01:56:06):
of your beloved Lakers.

Speaker 3 (01:56:08):
That's our beloved Lakers, Steve. It is tomorrow to tomorrow tomorrow.
They haven't announced anything. I don't think they're gonna wait
till the draft. The Lakers are just always slow with news,
So yeah, maybe the day of the draft. That would
be quite a spin. I mean yeah, they could do
that too. Yeah. If we're up to me and I
were JJ, I would just be like, listen, guy's no rush, Like, uh,
here's what I would do, Rush.

Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
I would do it like you announced with a fifty
fifth pick in the NBA Draft that the Lakers select
Bronnie James University of Southern California and then immediately announced
JJ Reddick's press conference or just cut.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
To the war room and if they're signing his contract exactly,
and I don't know, waiting with Lebron standing next year
Polinka Magic Johnson.

Speaker 4 (01:56:52):
I don't think people realize how interesting that introductory press
conference is going to be because rap Polinka has not
said anything to the media about firing dark either, so
there's gonna be questions about that during.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
That I I feel like I need to feel like
I need to be there and really ask the questions
you should, but they'll avoid me.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
Oh you dude there, I mean Steve, I would. We
have been working together for almost a decade. Nothing would
make me happier that if they give you a press credential.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
I'll put it this way, I would. I would favor
my dear friend, the late great T. J. Simers, and
the way he would ask questions on that press cot
How would he ask?

Speaker 1 (01:57:30):
How?

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
What question would you ask first?

Speaker 4 (01:57:32):
How?

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
What would you lead with? If you will?

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
I mean he would, he would just just right off
with the back he said. So, how does it feel
to be the second choice to a guy who would
never coach in the NBA, Dan Hurley?

Speaker 3 (01:57:43):
That would be his first question. That'd be the first question.
How does it feel to be the second choice? You
were just lighting a cherry bomb and flushing?

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
How difficult is it to coach a team when you
everyone in the room knows you were the second choice?

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
And then of course I was Sam coming in today. Sam,
And it's great to see you again this weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:58:02):
Been great to see you guys, Rich Thank you for
that delicious pizza pie. I ate a burrito before that,
and then had two slices of your New York style pizza.

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
Well that's because you were so good. You're about to
adamize some tons thing. We had that conversation earlier. You
got to close the well.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
Now, of course, Sam is prime time here on Fox
Books Radio Monday through from.

Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
Not really, I mean in primetime in the evening. Wow,
close enough.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
Primetime is from six am. I mean this is radio speaking,
because sure then here Prime tom on Fox Sports Radio
is twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
We're all primetime. But yeah, you're you're in a in
a slot of the day that is it's a nice slot.
Not gonna lie. Yeah, it's good to be with you guys.
Thank you very much. You catch up a little bit.
I'll be over at your house soon. Steve, anytime, you
always have an open ination. You know that we show
up for your birthday. You know my birthday is coming
up very shortly.

Speaker 7 (01:58:55):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
It's unbelieable.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
All right, what is everyone's guest here? What's gonna happen tomorrow?
Game seven between the Oilers and Panthers. Who's gonna walk
away with cup?

Speaker 3 (01:59:06):
Momentum goes to the oilers.

Speaker 7 (01:59:08):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
Plus they had one of the strongest showings in the
in the in the stands during this Cup series. I'm
going oilers. I'm going oilers all again. Her name's Kate,
Kate all right girl. But yeah, by the way, oilers
girl is now. She's she's she's promoting something with.

Speaker 5 (01:59:27):
Playboy and she's like working with the team in an
official like with Edmonton. They're saying like she's there like
cheer girl now or yeah, some official capacity.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
I mean, when you.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
Root against Edmonton, you root against America exactly what. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:59:45):
It doesn't make sense, but trust me, I know this.
Anybody going with the Panthers here, I think I'm gonna
go with the Panthers. You're gonna go Panthers home ice,
home ice? Doesn't feel right?

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
I knowd I'm with you, Sam, I I no bow,
You're going with.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
The Oilers here, right? Yeah? Best player, that's player, no
question about that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
I got to Okay, And does anyone believe that Brownie
Jeans will not.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
Be a Laker after the draft? Really? Anybody? No, He'll
be a Laker. Keep it up. Fox Sports Radio