Jason Fitz & Ryan Hollins talk NBA Draft, Should LeBron Leave the Lakers, & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. People are gonna
tell you this is a huge time in the NBA
because we got Lebron out here. Opting out might take
less money, might help with roster construction. We got Paul
George saying, I'm gonna look at my options.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
But the real question is who cares.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
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I'm Jason fitz hanging out with my guy Ryan Hollins.
I'm telling you y'all, like I've worked with some tall
people in my life. I'm gonna be honest. I've been
around a lot of athletes in my life. I will
never forget the first time I ever walked in the
halls and I saw Ryan Hollins at esp We're both
at the ESPN at the time. I saw Hollins walking

(01:02):
up and down the halls, and I just said, you're tall, man,
because I realized that. I was like, I'm used, I'm
five to nine. I'm used to being a little guy. Hollins.
I think I was facing your belly button. Brother. It
is good to hang out with you today, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
How you doing, man, it's been too long, brother, it
is is life good? Everything good? They're everything good, man,
No complaints over here.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
See. I am excited because if for anyone that doesn't know,
we've worked together for a long time. We did First
Take together, We've done all of that stuff together. And
I was excited today to talk to you, specifically for
the next three hours because I'm sitting in my car
yesterday going to the gym because I'm getting all yoked,
and I listened to everybody talking about, you know, oh,
Lebron's opting out, Paul George is opting out, and there's

(01:45):
logic behind all of it. But I just sat here
and thought, man, it feels a lot like when people say, oh,
Tiger's and the Masters, it's not the same Lebron, it's
not the same Paul George, Like these are sure they
could be impactful moves. But these aren't champion ship moments anymore.
What am I missing?

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Here's the thing with Lebron opting out and why it
doesn't feel the same, because you're getting to that moment
that Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan never got to. And
the moment I'm talking about is where Lebron has played
long enough at a high enough level where he's saying,

(02:26):
I'm willing to get my Tim duncan on. I want
to go ahead and take less money so that I
can come in and get a star and build it
the right way, because you know what, as constructed as is,
with me making the money that I make, I have
to leave something on the table for somebody else. If
I really want to win, and I've got another thought

(02:48):
behind that, I can bring it up now, or do
you want to wait till we get to me give
me your thoughts. I want to know how you feel
about this. And this is not coming from any information
or any soul. This is this is my This is
partly my opinion, and I could be wrong, but I
am throwing it out there just as me and Lebron
are around the same age both fathers. We get it

(03:10):
and I think there's a level too. Well. Lebron is
looking to the Lakers, and I don't know if there
was a handshake deal before or whatever, but he's extremely
grateful and he's saying, hey, you drafted my son. It
made sense, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna assume it.
I'm very grateful. And because I'm grateful, you know what,

(03:32):
I'm gonna make a move. Because you have made a
move that's in the best interest of me and my family,
I'm gonna make a move that's the best interest of yours.
I'm gonna take less money and i'm gonna sign back.
You gave me the opportunity of a lifetime to draft
my son, So what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take
less money so that we can get the winning and
I'm gonna show you that this move about bringing my

(03:55):
son in wasn't just about me. I'm gonna make the
team play now and I'm gonna for less and we're
gonna get a third guy in here. I don't know
who that third guy is, but I'm on the same
page with the team because you just showed me a
commitment that I didn't think I had.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I love where you're coming from from this, And I
think it's why we have to parse this conversation about
Bronni and Lebron together into two separate categories. Like there's
the human side of me that says, the team goes
out and you know, the draft, his kid, they get
to play together. I think that's a beautiful thing. I
don't think there's any way we can be complaining about
the fifty fifth pick in the second round. I don't

(04:32):
care about that, right, But I do think that there's
a separate conversation from Hollins, and that separate conversation is
really about championships.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
And this is what I've been screaming since all of
this went down.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Like JJ Reddick and a draft in Bronni, this roster
as constructed. The Lakers have always taken care of their stars.
I understand that, but they've always been about winning championships.
This roster doesn't feel like there's there isn't in my mind,
a third player they're going to bring in that's suddenly
gonna make the Lakers the best team in the West
and better than Boston. So what's weird about all of

(05:04):
this is that this is a beautiful moment and I
can appreciate that as a human being, but I also
am looking at it and saying, this ain't putting you in
the land of championships, And isn't that what the Lakers
are supposed to be? Where's the balance in that?

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Listen, I'm not gonna say that Lebron taking less money
because we don't know how less right puts them into
championship conversation right right now if that move somehow, And
I haven't heard anything Paul George. We've heard with Philadelphia,
we've heard with Houston even a little bit, you know,

(05:43):
a couple other teams we haven't heard LA. But Paul
George will be a guy. I'm not gonna say championship
that will put the Lakers in some conversations. That'd be
a very decent Big three. Keep it mind, Paul George
may not want to move. Paul George is an LA guy.
I don't know what the money, how the money he
would work and what it would look like. He's got
his podcast. Guys don't want to leave La.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
LA.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Guys don't like me and Paul George. We play every
summer in LA, you know, pick up all and everything.
So it's just like, I get it, you don't. Like
the first time I played for the for the Clippers,
and you know, just a little context if it's so,
you go and I play in Charlotte, that I moved
all my stuff back home, right, and then the very
next year I get all my stuff that I move

(06:25):
it out somewhere else that I'm And I did this
dude for like six, like five six years, right, And
when I signed with the Clippers, I want to say
year six, and I didn't have to move. It was like,
oh oh, I'd say that. They say, look at Russell
Westbrook Remember how the reports were like Russell Westbrooks leaving
the Clippers, and two days later it was like cygn
Russell Westbrook sides with the Clippers. Right. I don't know

(06:47):
Paul George wants to leave, you know, so hey, maybe
there's there's a play there. Hey, Klay Thompson uh in
with the Lakers. That's a name swirling around too. You know,
they got to find a way to make money work
for one of these guys. I don't think Klay Thompson
wants to get up and move these days in LA.
You know, in the off season his dad was at
Laker he was there. But I will say that all

(07:10):
the steam fits is what you're saying. Correct, Like you
draft Brownie, you bringing JJ Reddick. You guys aren't serious
about winning. But if Lebron takes less money, I'm not
gonna say it absolves all fitsy to answer what you said,
but I think it's a push in the right direction
and say, all right, Lebron serious about winning. If you
putting he fits right when we have a little wager

(07:31):
when we had the hot dog eating context contest, remember that,
and it was like Hollins, you can't do this. It
was like, no, let's say you do it. Put your
money up. Lebron is putting his money up and saying
I'm gonna take less. He's serious about winning.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
He's Ryan holland Tim Jason Fitzer hanging out on Fox Sports, right,
And you're right about that, Like you're right about and
can we just acknowledge moving is the one thing that
no matter how many times you do it, it doesn't
get easier. Like I've moved so much in my life.
I moved a lot as a kid, I've moved a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
As in what's the most you moved? If you moved
like three times, two, three times. Have you've been to
three different cities in one year.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
I haven't been to three cities in one year. But
as a kid, we went from like before I was
out of high school, I went from Vegas to Maine,
to Maryland to Virginia. Then I went to Chicago for
a second, then Nashville and then uh. And that doesn't
include the number of houses like in elementary school I
went to. I went to three elementary schools. I went
to three high schools. And not no military. Everyone always

(08:28):
his whole parents' military. No, there's just eccentric and weird.
So like no, we just moved around like so that's
why I always think about that. And for me, you know,
when when my ESPN time came to an end last summer,
the first thing everybody was saying is, oh, you got
bet you can't wait to get out of Connecticut. First
thing I said is, man, I'm not moving just to move,
Like I need to know why I'm moving where I'm moving,
because it doesn't even matter. I was lucky enough one

(08:50):
time in my life to be able to have other
people pack my stuff up, and it was like they
all moved everything for me. And that was still a
pain in the ass, like there is just no, there
is never The adjustment of moving is the worst.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
I can't imagine for athletes what it's like.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And I always said when I was living on a
tour bus making music, I can't imagine walking on the
bus one day and somebody's like, hey, man, heads up,
we traded. You are now instead of playing for this band,
you are now playing for a punk rock band. We
got a Kissnesota in return. Don't really care if you
like the music or the tour schedule. You just need
to move. Like, I cannot imagine that element from an

(09:25):
athlete standpoint.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
No, it's it's it's different. I was privileged. I was privileged, okay,
because whenever I was traded, I was I asked for
a trade, like I didn't get any of those like
hey you just got trade. Oh no, you know. It
was like, well you're going you know. There were always
good trades for me. The only trade for me that

(09:48):
was a little wasn't the best. In my opinion. It
was kind of like ayes, I went to Cleveland without Lebron,
But it was great because I had opportunity and I
just wanted to play ball and I honestly just wanted
to get an opportunity and I ended up, you know,

(10:09):
getting it, so I was I was thankful for that.
In Minnesota, I signed and I you know, played and
ended up leaving, and I think the minutes were great,
but it was man, it was tough losing, you know.
But I will just say just from a city aspect,
not from a no disrespect to Cleveland. Sorry guys, I'm
from LA. It's hard to compete in that realm. But

(10:31):
that was the only one that was like ah, but
you know, every other trade I had was was magnificent.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I went from Charlotte to Dallas. Dallas was amazing.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
The LA thing, too, is real, and I think we
don't factor that sometimes in athletes decisions when we talk
about Paul George you mentioned Russ, like when you talk
about Lebron and all of these things, like there are
people that just flat out low of LA and there
are people that don't right and so you know, and
I've noticed it going out to LA a bunch of
the last few years. And every time, you know, we
have a common and Michael Junior, every time I see

(11:01):
Gojo and he like he is living his best life.
In La. My guy is just happy as could be
out huntington Be's like he's he's doing the thing right.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Like for him, it works, I think, like it either
works for you or it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
But once you find a spot, especially once you have
kids too, Like, if you find a spot that works
for you and it works for your family, man, it
takes a lot for you to want to go away
from that. And for everyone that's like, well, you know,
the money's so big, you'll go play anywhere. Man, For
a lot of people, there is an amount of money
that makes you want to be away from your family
for nine straight months because you're playing ball.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
You know, No, no, it's not. You know some some
family dynamics work like that. They do. Then let me
ask you this, Okay, Fitz, if you are a pro
ball player right in your youth and you're you're you know,
you're in a city for work, right, Yeah, I know
you're on tour. It's different. But I'm flipping the scenarios.

(11:55):
If there was like your summer home, Like where would
you like if your summer home of choice? Because that's
that is the cool thing that NBA players get to
do in the summer. They get especially when they're young.
They get to go, where do I want to live
in the off season? Go get an apartment? They go
in Miami, La, New York, you know, a different place.
Where would your NBA summer home be a lot of

(12:16):
people don't talk about that.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Oh this is a great question. Like Okay, so I'm
a Vegas get through it through and I love Vegas.
But if you make me young and rich, I don't
need to be in Vegas. Like that's just that's I'm
gonna end up blowing everything and in rehab like I
you know, every time an athlete goes the wrong way
when they're rich, I just remind people that if I
was twenty and suddenly worth, you know, twenty million dollars,
it wouldn't have done me well either. So like mate,

(12:39):
but I like some of that concept. I think I
go New York. I'm not a big Miami guy like
Miami's I'm not. I don't need beach like I'm a
pasty white dude, like the beach burns come on, man,
Like you know, I think where was where was your
summer home when you got into that?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, La La, I don't go La La, just come
back home.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, I mean, that's just that's what happens. What I said, Okay,
we're just getting rolling. We got a lot to break down,
and I want to get the thoughts from Ryan Hollins
on Paul George because it is not insignificant that Paul
George has opted out. It could mean or could it
mean championship for one particular spot. We'll break it all
down when we come back for you. You're hanging out.
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Speaker 1 (14:15):
Paul George is opting out. The question isn't what that
means when you think about the name Paul George. The
question is what does that mean when you think about
the actual basketball impact of Paul George?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Does it actually lead to championships.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
We're breaking it down for you on Fox Sports Radio Sunday,
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I'm so excited, I forgot how to talk. He's Ryan Hollins.
I'm Jason Fitz hanging out with you for the next
few hours. And Hollins I said as we started the
show that there are certain athletes in my mind that
have become Tiger, the name, the reputation, what we hear,

(14:51):
what we think isn't necessarily the same way as what
we see from that athlete. So now when you hear
Tiger is going to be in a tournament, everybody flocks
to it, and then you end up slightly disappointed. And
I mentioned that with Paul George because I remember how
we all covered it when Kawhi and Paul George were
going together to the clip and it was this is it.
The Clippers have a chance to actually outdo the Lakers

(15:14):
in the market. They're gonna win an NBA championship. None
of that came together. There's a lot of reasons why
none of that came together. And I'm not taking anything
away from the fact that Paul George had a better
year last year. He had a good year last year.
My question to you is, I look at this is
when I say Paul George opt out, Does it make you?

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Does he get you tingly? Does he give you the feels?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Or you're like, oh, yes, this is the missing piece
that leads to a champions because right now everything is
Boston or bust.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
In my mind, no, it doesn't. Now if I hear,
if I hear we just had a Lebron discussion last segment,
Paul George, George opts out and is willing to take
less to win. You know, like Jay James Harden got

(16:00):
to that point in his career when James left Houston.
He never wants to leave Houston. He just got to
a point where he said, I don't think I can
do this by myself. The organization has helped me, but
I got a chance to like almost everyone thought it
was like a guaranteed ring. And the reason I bring
him James Harden is that was James Harden saying, I
gotta go get a chance. When I hear that from

(16:21):
Paul George, like, hey, I just want to connect with
two other players that are good. If I hear that,
and I'm not saying that, he's not saying that, but
if I hear that, then I'll go Championship, then I'll
go they got a shot, then I'll go. As you said,
the Celtics, they can match up with the Celtics, because
right now the Celtics are so deep. It's like it's

(16:42):
like when you're playing NBA two K and you're the franchise.
You just kind of slowly get everybody on your team
and everybody turns into ninety nine's and all your guys
to develop that. That's what we're seeing over there. Like
Sam House was coming off and I'm not saying out
a baller, but all their guys are playing. Peyton Pritchard

(17:03):
were like playing to their max. So they had culture.
That's one thing we'll talk about later. FITZI, when you
talk about a championship, you got to show me culture,
and then you got to show me players. They got
players and they got culture. Okay, so we're before it
was like, oh, you just get the player. You get
the Michael Jordan, you get the Kawhi Leonard. You know,
and even before Kawhi you can call me Brian the

(17:24):
best player on the planet win a championship. No, the
best player with the best culture wins a championship. Now,
Golden State culture with the players. You can't just put
the players without the culture. Forgive me James Harden and
Kevin Durant and Kyrie Everyek. That's what happened with the Nets.
They didn't have the culture. Dallas was much better. They
created what culture along with those two studs over there.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I love the way you said that because he's Ryan
Hollins of Jason Fitz. It's interesting to me when we
talk about what makes a champion in the NBA right now,
because I think the NBA has sort of turned into
Voltron in a good way. Didn't like Voltron a lot
as a kid, but you all follow me that I
was a Transformers guy, right, but Voltron they were all
the individual robots, and then they stacked into one massive,

(18:08):
huge robot that was killer, Like nobody could stop the
big robot. And there's this moment for me where I'm
looking at what's worked. The Celtics didn't listen to any
of the noise when people were yelling split up Brown
and Tatum. They didn't listen to any of that. They
stayed the course. And when you think about what we've
seen most of the time from our champions over the
last few years, most of it has been closer to

(18:29):
the side of homegrown, closer to the side of we
drafted our guys and we're just sort of building this thing.
That's the way the Nuggets did it for a long
time for their run that they're still in the middle of. That's,
you know, frankly, the way the Bucks did it. And
then when the Bucks started getting away with it and
tinkering too much, that's when things got a little bit weird.
Like there is a moment to me where I think
your point is the strong one here that this isn't

(18:50):
the NBA of ten years ago, where it was just
going to be Lebron and a decision, and the best
players go over here. I think the rest of the
league sort of figured out, if we can't compete or
won't compete in that world, then we better draft right,
develop right, get the right people together, get some experience together,
get the right coaching that knows how to get the most.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Out of the players. Like there is a formula.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
The formula is not a quick fix, though, and Paul
George feels to me like we'll fall in love with
wherever he signs as a quick fix. But that quick
fix doesn't necessarily lead to a title if you're taking
on something that's been built low and slow.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, now you're right, you're right, and and you
know the trend also is you bring up the Nuggets. Man,
I think a lot of people are missing this. You know.
So Golden State, Golden State just I don't want to
say they ruined the NBA, but what they did is
it's a monkey see monkey do league where they say, oh,

(19:46):
you went with three point shooting with Steph Curry, we'll
create our own Steph Curry three point. You cannot create
what they did. So everybody tried to get these three
and D wings and everybody was just shooting threes. They
couldn't shoot. And now what we've seen with Jokich and
the Nuggets that you just mentioned in the homegrown talent.
And also they took a risk with Michael Porter junior.

(20:07):
He slipped in the draft because of his back. Okay,
so that guy was slated to be the number one
pick for a long time. So they took a chance
with some talent. But where I'm coming back full circle
is the NBA is training back to the NBA that
we know where the big man was dominant, and not
just was the big man dominant. We talked about Nicola
Yokich winning the NBA Championship. The skill level means something.

(20:30):
So everybody like kind of got rid of their point
guards and was like, we'll just put our best player
at point guard and he'll take a bunch of shots
and we'll figure it out. Now the NBA is going back.
We need a Fred van Vliet. We need a traditional
point guard. And not just do we need a traditional
point guard, we need our guys to have some IQ
and hold on, how my heck is you junior? The

(20:50):
guys who are playing well have IQ. Hey, they've stayed
in college Hey, they've earned their stripes. So there's just
it's a different NBA, and essentially you got to look
for that. So as teams are going into the draft
and their roster that we're either putting their rosters together.
Hey man, can you guys play basketball? Not just can

(21:11):
you're tall shoot at three and play some defense. You
gotta have some IQ.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
That's what you're saying for everybody listening. That's an NFL nut.
We see this in the National Football League all the time.
Offense is spread out, and then defenses figure out how
to stop a spread offense. So then one team will
come in and say, oh, we're going to run the
ball more, and then immediately, all of a sudden, everybody
starts running the ball more, and then that starts to work.
So then offenses spread out. Like there's this cycle of

(21:37):
is if this is what's working and we can't do
it that way, then let's do it our way. That
eventually becomes copied. It's one of the most interesting thing
in all of sports. We're gonna keep breaking it down
because I want to get Holland sat He said something
about culture and championships. We're going to talk about that next.
But first let's get caught up on all of the
news from the day with Isaac.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
So, what's this about you and Holland's having a hot
dog eating contest back in the day.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Oh yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
I love don't embarrass me. Fifty doesn't know how you've
attacked me.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
Oh yeah, let me catch you up on the inherent
tension between me and Ryan. It all started when I
ripped Houston's what a burger, which is literally what you
say when they serve you in in contrast to the
most superior local burger in the world in and out

(22:30):
here in southern California. And the tension escalated from there.
So I'm sorry we have to catch you in the
middle of this fits. But wait a minute, it's so
cool because when I hear hot dog eating contest, I
think the pros Klledbayashi Joey chestnuts. So you guys actually
got to compete in a hot dog eating contest? Was
it enjoyable?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Would you call it enjoyable?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's why I was losing. I tried to enjoy my
hot dog. I was like, hey, hey, I didn't know, like,
I'm like putting Allie, Sean and Mustard It's like I'm
taking a time with it.

Speaker 7 (23:06):
No, I was watching those things, just just stuffing these
things down like Kobe Yashi Joey Chestnut. Now you know
I'm out there, Give me some lemonade.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
See see.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
In my opinion, that's the way to approach a hot
dog eating contest. If you're going to get free hot dogs,
you've got to enjoy the experience. Just forget about winning.
Just enjoy getting free hot dogs. It'd be kind of
like Ryan, if you were competing in the Tour de France.
Everyone else will be sprinting through the Pyrenees and the Alps,
and you just be enjoying the countryside.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Right, yeah, pretty much, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
That's the way to do it. Ryan was much better,
of course, competitively in the NBA. And that's where we
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(24:25):
a description of what happened from a person who is
on the escalator, Greg Braggs Junior. He tweeted, and I quote,
it completely gave way with over one hundred people on it,
Probably the scariest thing that's ever happened to me. The
whole thing gave way and just turned into a roller

(24:45):
coaster off the tracks, piling people on top of each
other as it charged us all to the bottom. Some
elderly people were injured very badly and trampled over. An
older lady was right in front of me, so I
tried to hold her up as we hit the bottom,
and we both got completely taken out by the people
behind us. There was no one working there that monitors

(25:09):
the escalator and only allowing a proper amount of people
on it at one time, way too much weight. It
just gave way. It's not a mall escalator that is
one floor. It's longer and steeper than that. Unquote. Next time,
I think I'll just take the stairs back to you guys.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh well, now that you've ruined escalators for everybody, I mean,
that's just I hope everybody turns out to be okay.
That's a that's a terrible story. In an absolute night
mes scenario, it's Fox Sports Radio Sunday, Ryan Hollands, Jason
Fits hanging out with you. We're coming up. We're with you,
I should say, on the tirak dot com studios. Yes,
we competed in a hot dog eating contest. Also, you know,

(25:47):
not for nothing. I was a sideline reporter for the
hot Dog Eating Contest on the ESPN for three years,
so I very familiar with this. Isaac and Hollands. I
will make you both very mad now though, when I
will remind you that both what a Burger and in
our In and Out would be at the top of
my list for the two most overrated chains in all
the world. That is just fact.

Speaker 6 (26:09):
I don't reach thure that microphone and grab you in
my anger and rage to be fair, to be fair.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
Even here in Los Angeles, I've heard people around this
building saying that Tommy's is better than In and.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Out, Wendy's is better than In and Out.

Speaker 8 (26:23):
What do we do now that's too far?

Speaker 1 (26:26):
In and Out is I'm sorry, unless In and Out
as a sponsor of the show, in which case, In
and Out is the best burger I've ever had, because,
let's face it, I'm a company man. I'll bet every
time we were like, so, you know, when things are
going well and you're in a band, you get to
do some things in La.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
You get a lot of TV in La. Every time
we would.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Land in La, immediately the guys on the tour, which
just oh my god, we gotta go to In and Out,
gotta go to in and Out, And I just I
had it, and I was like, y'all, it's just a burger.
Like you can tell me all day that they grow
their own stuff and this is all super fresh.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
It just tastes like a burger. It's fine, like animal
style is fine.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
The Frieser the Frieser could but like, there is no
reason that I would sit in line for in and
Out and in and out is wildly overrated, but so
is whatburger because what burger is essentially trash.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
Mister Burger elitist. Therefore, what would you consider to be
a good burger then, mister burger burger hipster.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
No, no, I'm a burger hipster. That's that's a fantastic title.
I'm all in on five guys being better than any
of those. Uh five guys. Better fries, my god, it's
better burger, betterfries. But again, I like, if you give
me the choice between any of those and Wendy's, I
don't think there's a discernible difference. I honestly believe that

(27:42):
if you took so. I was at a party a
couple of years ago with a bunch of beer drinkers
and they were all convinced that they knew the exact
difference between their favorite bud light, corps like Miller Lite,
all of those things. So, because I'm a troll, while
everybody else was, you know, playing beer pong, I just
sat there and I filled the cups randomly across the
board and I gave it everybody like whatever it was
four or five beers and red solo cups in front

(28:03):
of them, and I asked everybody to identify could they
identify each of the beers or could they identify their
favorite beer? And we're talking about guys that have spent
their life drinking these beers. Only one guy even got
his favorite beer out of all of it, right, you
can't tell the difference. I think if you honestly took
the meat and you crumbled it up, and you put
it on a plate and said here, eat this, and
tried to get people to figure out which one was

(28:24):
in and out, which one was five guys, and which
one was Wendy's, nobody would know the difference. It's the
shape that people care about.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
I think I know.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
For me, it's the thousand taking you up on this offer?

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I know. But I'm
it's a thousand island. I think.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I mean thousand island dressing is a reason to wait
for an hour for something.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
No means different? Oh the thousand dollars different.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
Wendy's ain't putting thousand island on their burgers.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
You want to hear you want to hear a real
fat boy thing. I hope I don't offend anyway. We
would fit real fat boy thing. Uh. We talked about
our hot dog eating contests. I when you go to
In and Out, ask for extra packets a thousand Island
and then throw it on your burger.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
Damn right, y'all.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Just like, get a jar a thousand Island, put it
in the car, go to Wendy's. You go through the
drive through, pour some thousand Island on A.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
And eight thousand Island in and out. It's special sauce.
And by the way, the other difference you can get
the same meal at all the other places. The five
guys for a burger and fries will set you back
like twenty eight bucks, is all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Okay, we weren't talking about a cost analysis on this,
like I mean talking about cost analysis. That's a totally
different thing. Like you know, but look, I just don't
think people that are super passionate and I'll say, you
asked which one I think is better? I think it's
five guys. Would I wait in line for five guys?

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Now?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
I just I don't think there's a big difference between
any of them. Shake Shack, you can put all of
your burgers in here. They're all basically the same.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Hey, hey, FITZI, you want to merge our hot dog
eating our hot dog contest. Then with with the with
with ILO's degeneracy. When it comes to the picking his place.
In college, you guys were like this. I would go
to In and Out, I'd get fries, I'd get a drink,
and then I'd order two four by fours.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
Nice, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
You go.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Let that. Let it sink in the amount that is.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm I respect that, I respect like I'm not even
mad at that.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I respect. And you eat all that in one sitting, right.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, one citty, I finished it. That's it. That's that out. Ay,
Ilo remembers I was boned, skinny boned, skinny, right, two
hundred and fifteen pounds.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
Gotta make weight, Hollands.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
Now, I've got a very important question for Ryan, for Isaac,
and for Jason.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Here.

Speaker 8 (30:50):
Have any of you experienced what is called cookout?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, cookouts are all over the South, like for twenty years,
cookouts are everywhere there there. You know, it's like basically cookouts.
This is I'm just gonna make people mad, that's all
I'm doing today. Cookouts like a glorified burger king. Everything
is like, right off, it's got that. I knew you
would say that, but it's got that.

Speaker 8 (31:09):
Like doesn't allow you to get a corn dog as
a side item.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Oh, which is which is okay? Corn dogs are not
a side like. I win, I win to gojo about this.
Corn dogs are not a side item.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Like.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
There is no world where a hot dog dipped in
a massive batter is a side I don't care if
cookout has it on the menu as a side item.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
That's that is just that is wrong.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
And and by the way, if you're gonna have a
corn dog, let's go West Coast here, go to a
hot dog on a stick and get a cheese dog
where it's just a massive block of either uh, pepper
jack or American and and they dip it in this
really sweet corn dog batter, so it comes out just
like a corn dog, but when you bite into it,
it is simply filled with massive amounts of melted cheese.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
It's not a it's not cheese stick. It's better than that.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
I'm telling you. Go with the hot dog on a stick.
But that's not that's not a side item. That's that
corn dogs its own meal.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Wow wow, I mean this is we're getting thick hair, dude.
Look I'm with it. You got to understand though, I
am the guy that I'll go out to eat somewhere
and then like, instead of dessert, I'll just order another meal.
I don't know if that makes sense, Like Okay, well
this person got dessert. I'm like, no, no, bring me

(32:22):
another meal.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
That's why we shouldn't. We should just thenk go get
dinner together. Because if you told me that I had
the choice between I could just eat an entire cake
today or I could sit down at a steakhouse, I'd
rather have the cake, Like, give me, give me an
entire cake. So like I'll eat dessert for both of us,
you eat dinner for both of us. You'll be, you know,
the adult in the room, and I'll be the petulant child.
Like that's just I think that I think we've really

(32:44):
come up with something here.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
You did you have ice cream for breakfast?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Man? So I'm on a journey right now, Breeze heard
too much about this lately, But I'm on a journey.
I started in mid May. I decided I was going
to get I'm gonna get shredded. I have I've always had,
like not always, but I've had like one little lab.
I decided I wanted to get like a whole rack ABS.
I want ABS to move into the neighborhood. So I
hired a trainer and he put this whole like plan
together that's in an app that I do these workouts

(33:10):
in the app and I eat exactly. I've had the
same five meals at the same time every day since
May fifteenth. I have not had a single thing that
wasn't the same exact meal since May. I'm very good
at doing this super disciplined thing, but I'm trying to
get apps. So right now, no, there's no cake and
ice cream. But if you told me that I could
break the diet as we stand today, I could have

(33:32):
any one thing. There's this daven Busters right now has
this fruit loop cake that I had like right before
the diet started, where it's like the cake is like
this sponge cake that has fruit loops in it, and
it has this marshmallow frosting on it, and it's like
this sweet cream that tastes like cereal milk that it
sits in that's cold. Oh my god, I'd rather have
that than a steak any day.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Guys. I don't know if it's lasted another forty eight
hours on this diet the way out here at him talk.
I don't give them another forty eight hours. I think
this diet is baked.

Speaker 8 (34:03):
Burger king in the next twenty four.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Oh my god, I'm a man.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
We might make him fall off the wagon. I'm afraid
it's it's impressive and we're proud of him for sticking
with it this far though.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
That's good. By the way, Culver's menu and just read
it to him, Oh my.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
God, Culver's like the fact that they just soak that
stuff in butter before they serve it is what makes
it sound that it tastes so good. Like just look
at the nutrition information on even like the chicken there,
and you'll figure, okay, well you shouldn't. By the way, also,
you said on the wagon, I've only had water to
drink too since May fifty, so I'll tell you I'm
on one. I'm on one. Okay, we've obviously gone way

(34:39):
off the rails. We'll get back to everything that you
really care about, which is, of course culture in championships.
I want to get Holland's thought. He said something earlier
about what it actually takes to win an NBA championship,
and I think it applies to the names you're hearing
right now that are opting out of their contracts. We'll
explain why when we come back. Fox Sports Sunday, Ryan
Holland's Jason Fitz.

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We're coming at you live from the tire Rack dot
com studios. All right, Hollands, you said earlier the championships
are about culture, and I think we hear that all
the time, but I don't think people really stop to
think about what that means. And you know, it hits

(35:58):
me every time we talk about even on the football side,
when they say, well, this group of guys just had
something special in the locker room. How often do we
hear that afterwards? Right like after a championship you look
back and it's like, well, there was this special bond
between everybody. I think we forget sometimes, especially in a
world where we're watching you know, Paul George opted out
today and immediately there's going to be some thought of

(36:19):
where can he go and win a championship.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I don't think it's as easy as just plug.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
And play with a great player. There has to be
that element of how do you get the right bond together?
And I just think to your point, people seem to
forget that all the time.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Man, Yeah, they do so. Earlier. I heard me mention,
you know Kawhi Leonard briefly in Toronto when he went
to Toronto. You know, they had a winning culture. They
just didn't have enough to get over the hump. They
didn't have a you know, no disrespect to my guy, Damar,
but they didn't have a super superstar there, you know,

(36:54):
on a roster a guy who you know, who just
has unstoppable moves against any defense. So they had the
culture though, so that's why everybody was like, well, Kawhi,
it is so great, Kawhi is so great. No, it's
a plug and play because they put in a lot
of work to build that organization. Hats off to the
Houston Rockets. My Rockets are creating culture. So now you know,

(37:15):
and one of the young guys develops and so that's
next superstar or uh you know, you you end up
getting it in a free agency or in a move.
You have culture built of hard work and defense and
all that. That that good stuff, and then you can go.
So in terms of Paul George, Paul George is gonna

(37:36):
go have to go to a place where there's culture,
and you may at homego culture. What the heck? Collins,
what the heck are you talking about? Right? For the
blind Eye random in the NBA, Fanny you wanta culture
is whenever you mention a team, whenever we talk about
in an organization, you immediately know what they do. So FITZI, right,
So let's say we said Golden State, right, what's their culture? Right? Hi?

(38:00):
Hugh team play in three point shooting right when they
were really really good. What did Toronto do? They played hard?
They played really really hard. So when we're talking culture,
you should be able to identify what that team's culture is.
So if you mentioned, like the Lakers from last year,
like what was there? Culture? Was their identity? And you're like,
I don't really know. Now, Darvin Ham did a good

(38:21):
job trying to get the guys to work hard, but
I don't think he had enough time to necessarily implement that.
So when you think culture, you know what that team does.
If you think about Orlando, what they're building, they're really big,
they're huge, and they defend you know, so building culture
is key in getting your guys and talent that buys
into it. So then you insert a Paul George into

(38:44):
the equation, you're like, wow, this could be a championship
because he's adding a piece that works with what we
already have. Rolling.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
When you say that way, it also makes me think
about motivation of the person that's coming in, right, because
you got an know what your end goal is and
why you're going there. Are you going there to be
the face of something and try and help change the culture.
That's a much different conversation than are you going there
to be part of the culture, which is a much
different conversation than are you going there to be the

(39:15):
last piece of the puzzle in a culture that already exists?
And I think that's such a different Each of those
things are so different. You know, if you're a player
opting out and you're picking where you want to go,
it's fine and it is fair as a player. If
you just want to go somewhere you can play, that's
a fair thing to say. If you want to go
somewhere you can get paid, like, that's fair too, Like
you want to get the bag. If you want to

(39:35):
go somewhere and win, then I think it really does
speak to what you just talked about that you have
to be able as a player to accept what your
role in that entire process is supposed to be. Because
if it's a team on the precipice of winning everything,
you shouldn't be the person coming in an establishing culture.
You should be able to fit into the culture that
already exists. And that's asking a lot from a type

(39:56):
a personality. Yeah, you know, you know what, and it's.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Rare that you have guys, you know that can do that,
and that's why, you know, we look at you know,
kind of the moves that Lebron had made immediately kind
of taken teams to you know, championship standings. I think
I think just you know, just his championship in Cleveland
was so underrated because he learned, you know, everything from
pat Riley, went to Miami, figured those things out. But

(40:24):
you know, when he came to Cleveland, he kind of
put everybody in the right places and he created the culture.
You know, he was a big he was a big
part of that. They had some good things going on there,
but you know, Lebron kind of knew how to mastermind
it and he knew that he was still playing at
a high enough level where you know, he could make
things happen.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Speaking of Lebron, all this conversation about the Lakers, what
if I told you maybe it would be best if
Lebron and the Lakers parted ways. Right now, I'm explain
Coming up next, Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
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listen live from a very basic human level. The concept
of the Lakers putting Bronny and Lebron together is an

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amazing thing.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
It's a beautiful thing, and maybe it's a favor.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Maybe it has great opportunity for the team and the player.
But if you ask me from a basketball standpoint, if
Lebron and the Lakers really wanted to do each other
a favor, they should have split up. Right now. It's
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Speaker 1 (41:54):
Look, I'm five nine and a half, maybe five to
nine in a quarter. I'm shrinking at my old age,
roughly one hundred and seventy pounds. What the hell do
I know about standing on an NBA court? Nothing but
I have. I'm good at listening and good and learning
from the people I get to work with, like Ryan Hollins,
who has played in the league and had tremendous success.
So Hollins hear me out because it sounds absurd to

(42:16):
many people for me to say that the Lakers and
Lebron should part ways, and that would be the real favor.
But the Lakers, above and beyond the celebrity aspect and
the brand aspect and the superstar aspect, all the things
we associate with the Lakers, the Lakers are supposed to
be about championships. They're supposed to be like Boston right
where we only care about one thing, can we win

(42:36):
at all? And I would argue that taking more time
in this experiment of the current version of Lebron isn't
getting them actually closer to that championship they want to win.
If they wanted to do Lebron a favor because he
wants to win at this point in his career, they'd
part ways. If Lebron wanted to do the Lakers a
favor because they really want to win championships, they'd stop

(42:58):
delaying the inevitable he would leave the team, because it
would at least then force them to start doing what
they need to do, which is look at their.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Long term future.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
In my mind, these two together right now today, moving forward,
are not gonna win a championship.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
So why are we doing this?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Wow? Hold on, let me sewed down. You said Lebron's
not gonna win a championship, so he should leave LA with.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
The Lakers, he ain't winning one. The Lakers ain't winning it, so.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
He should leave. Why so he would go? So you're
saying he needs to go to another team. Is this
because Lebron can't win with what the Lakers have so
he should go to another team? Or this is more, Hey,
Lakers need to get rid of Lebron. Is that what
you're saying.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
No, I'm saying Lebron can still win a chip, but
not with this Lakers roster. So if like you're talking about,
Lebron is cemented, he's like. And look, I've said for
years people are so dug in on Lebron they won't
change their mind. Right. I personally look at it and say,
the one thing we know about is he cares the
most about winning. He's a mercenary for championships in a

(44:04):
great way. I have no problem with Lebron looking around
the landscape. I have no problem with Kad looking around
the landscape. I have no problem with players that want
to win championships saying, all right, where am I going
to go if I'm gonna do a one year, two year,
three year, where can I win a championship in that
amount of time? Knowing that that's not going to be
the Lakers, why stick around if he leaves? Yeah, it's hard,
but at least it forces the Lakers to start a

(44:26):
reset to actually build for future and then he can
figure out where he wants to play that he thinks
by adding him makes them immediately a championship contender. Wouldn't
he find a better shot at a chip if he
was on a different roster next year?

Speaker 3 (44:43):
If this or NBA two K, Yeah, that will work. Also,
there is a human element to that. Yeah, if you
just correct, if you just plugged him into the Celtics
right like, he could probably go win a championship with
the Celtics. But there's a human aspect. Guess what, when
you're younger, you just go where you go. You're glad

(45:04):
to be in the NBA, you play ball. It is
what it is. But at this stage in Lebron's career,
you know what Lebron is doing. He ain't trying to
move from LA. You don't want to move, and especially
when your family's there, so Lebron will be at Laker
and that's not gonna change. That's why when Russell Westbrook

(45:27):
left the Lakers, he took less money and said, you
know why I'm going. I'm going to the Clippers. And
that's when they were like, well, Russell Westbrook is so
underappreciated with the Clippers, this and that, and you know
he may be getting he's signing back with the Clippers.
That's what Paul George is probably like, you know what,
let me hear what the Lakers have to say. They
don't have money, but I'm going to hear them out
because I don't want to leave LA. When you get

(45:49):
to a certain stage in life and you have your family,
you have your your friend, you have all these things again,
you don't want to leave. So this idea of just
going but for a young player, yeah, go get your
championship when your kids are little. So let me say this.
So when your kids are you know they're small, guess

(46:12):
what you can do when they're in preschool, they're even
in first grade, when it's time to leave. When the
season ends, you pull him out of preschool. You pull
him out of first grade. And as soon as the
season's over, you just go home, You travel back to
wherever home is for you, and you're there. But when
you get older, when they get in middle school, when
they get in high school, you're either you're leaving your

(46:35):
family or you're going to be stuck where you are.
So as far as Lebron just going somewhere to ring Chase,
I think the mindset for him, I'm pretty sure, and
I don't speak for him, is to get it done
with the Lakers or hey, you know it, even if
there's not a roster that can win a championship, he

(46:55):
ain't going nowhere else, you know, had no interest anything else,
if that makes it.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
But he can't have his cake and eat it too
at this point, like we keep every time that's a
move with the Lakers, we all say, well, Lebron's really
the GM, Like that's the narrative around everything. They're only
doing what Lebron does, no matter what the entire organization does.
There's nothing at this point that Polinka or Geniabus can
do that people will actually pie. They all say, well,
they're just doing what Lebron wants. Well, if Lebron is

(47:27):
sitting here making as the way we cover it, I'm
not saying this is true, but we cover it as
Lebron is making these demands to get the roster to
where it can be to win a championship. Well he
can't in this situation by nobody's fault, but the Lakers
and Lebron's own.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
The roster isn't good enough to do that.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
So at what point do you then have to prioritize
which things matter the most to you?

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Okay, so let me give you perspective. Also in Los Angeles,
when you go into a rebuild, it don't look well, retool,
but you can't rebuild and analytically by the numbers correct.
And it's also you know, Rob Polinka has been there
for a while, so Rob Polinka doesn't want to get

(48:11):
the smoke of tearing things down and building them back up.
He wants to build onto the legacy that he's kind
of building. When a new GM comes in. Look, Mike
Dunleavy went to the Golden State. What did Mike Dunlavey
look to do the first Mega movie? He brought in
Chris Paul and he traded away Jordan pull Mega move.
He put his stamp on what he believed was right.

(48:33):
And that's something that new gms do. The reason I
bring that up is you say, well, you you, maybe
you're absolutely right. Tear it down, start over from scratch. Analytically,
that is the best choice. Lakers don't want a three
four year restart. I don't know if you remember how
things were going in LA when it was a young Koolsman,
young D'Angelo Russell, young Julius Rant and these were good players.

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Dude wanted no parts of it. He wanted absolutely no
parts of it. The people of La'll tell you why
anything to do with it.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
You're a thousand percent right. I think that. So this
is where my mind works. I think that rebuild is inevitable.
I don't think that they're going to win a championship
in this process. I think that Lebron's gonna give him
a couple of more years in this and then in
the end of a couple of more years, when he's
had his you know, Kobe like retirement run, everybody will say,
you know, goodbye, thank you so much, we love you,

(49:28):
and then the Lakers going to look around the cupboard
and realize, oh man, the cupboard's pair and they're going
to have to start to rebuild that. So I am
at this spot, and maybe this just makes me jaded
with the Lakers, but I'm at the spot where I
think the three or four year rebuild period is inevitable.
So if I know it's inevitable, why not just rip
the band aid off started now instead of waiting longer

(49:49):
and longer to do that when in my mind there
isn't a way that there is nothing that the Lakers
are going to do in the next month that's suddenly
going to make me comfortable betting my house the Lakers
to represent the West in the next NBA Finals. It
just it feels like there's always a problem with this.
And I'm not putting an asterisk with the championship. I

(50:09):
think a championship is a championship. But other than that moment,
it hasn't been able to gel the way anybody thought
it would. And just like at some point, if you're
the Clippers, you look around and say, man, we thought
we'd get something out of this, and it hasn't really
worked out that way. I think the Lakers are in
the same situation.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Let me give you some context where because I hear
what you're saying, where would Lebron go other than Boston
that you feel would ensure a championship for him. That's right.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
I mean, look, I still believe that Lebron in this
moment is such a huge He's a huge asset on
the court. I'm not even talking about the brand of
Lebron where. But that's a tough question because you're right,
there aren't necessarily natural spots where I suddenly look at
I'm not looking at it and saying, you know what
Milwaukee really needs, they need Lebron right like, And there's
so much complication in the NBA salary cap.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
So I don't really know the answer to that. So
I know that it can't be the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
So right, right, right, if we're saying there's no plug
in play scenario, right, so let's say you make a
monumental move, you leave your family, you travel somewhere else, right,
you got a new this this whole new beginnings, right,
and you don't win a championship? Why did you move?

(51:30):
And another thing you brought up, you said, the Lakers
do everything Lebron James want. Right, They've been drafted and
said why would you leave that? It fits? Here's the
thing you were a lot of people don't know. Wait, well, amazing,
one of the best in the field. Violent is correct,

(51:51):
yeah right, And when you chose to leave that and said,
you know what, I love sports, I love to talk.
I know this is something new. Let me put it
my ten thousand hours into broadcasting because it is passion. Right. Yeah,
Lebron James ain't leaving to me for the basketball game.

(52:14):
For him, he's won the championships. It's I'm the all
time leading scorer in the NBA. On top of being
the all time leading scorer in the NBA, I get
a chance to do it with my son. It's bigger
than basketball at this point. He's gotten the championships, you know.
And again, there are no scenarios that he can go

(52:34):
to even let's hypothetically right. Let's say hypothetically right, because
you're saying it would be the best for both sides.
He's got a lot to add, we get some exciting basketball,
like all these factors will come to play. It's almost
from a number standpoint, no brainer, right, no, no, no, no, no,
don't work that way, because again, Lebron has everything that

(52:56):
you can ask for when it comes to the game
of basketball. So there's no reason that he will be leaving.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Okay, you had broken that down beautifully. When we come back,
I will give you the one response. There's one reason
that I think you've missed about why I think Lebron
and the Lakers are part ways. We'll do that when
we come back to the ti rack dot Com studios.
It's Fox Sports Radio Sunday. He's Ryan Hollins. I'm Jason Fitz.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
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Speaker 1 (53:31):
It's Fox Sports Radio Sunday. He's Ryan Hollins. I'm Jason Fitz.
We're coming at you live from the ti Raq dot
Com studios. All right, we were discussing before the break
a my controversial take the Lakers and Lebron should just
amicably partways at this point be best for everybody, and
Ryan Hollins, my co host, who played many years in

(53:52):
the NBA, successfully points out that you know, there are
certain things that matter in this conversation, and being around
your family and getting to play with your kid, and
also knowing that frankly, at this point, you just don't
want to move. You don't want to go through all
these things. You're in a great spot with the Lakers,
makes really smart points on all of it. But Ryan,

(54:12):
there's one thing that I think, then, if this is
the case, there's one thing that we all have to
change as a collective society. And that's what we talk
to talk about when it comes to Lebron because we
make everything, and by we I mean everybody with the
microphone and a show. Ninety percent of the time when
we're talking about Lebron, it's, Oh, he wants to win
a championship and he's not happy with this, and he's

(54:33):
not happy with this. If his goal is simply I
want to be somewhere and have a good time playing
some ball and play with my kid. I want to
have fun with the great organization and just enjoy like
I've done my thing. I don't really care about any
of the rest of it. If that's what we're accepting
is the new reality, do we not then have to
change the way we all talk about Lebron because you know,

(54:53):
every debate show this year is going to go back
into yet again the legacy of Lebron versus Michael and
all of these diferent things they're gonna use this current
chapter against him if they choose to in these conversations.
But if his real goal is just to love the
sport and play with his kid, then we should change
the tone of our conversations.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Let me also give this element in if Lebron went
to Boston per se right, and he went to championship,
they would say, yeah, Lebron, you went to Boston and
you won with the Celtics. That's why you won the championship.
So it wouldn't be like, oh, Lebron won, he got

(55:35):
another He doesn't need to ring. Like. There are guys,
you know, hey, James Harden right now has done everything
in his career by the championship. So James Harden, you know,
can can do some ring chasing. You know, there's a
number of guys, you know, they're that point, that point
in their career. They're great, they've done everything expected, you know,
MVPs whatever, but they don't have a championship, so they

(55:56):
can go ring chase. K Everybody was so mad at
Kevin Durant, you go kick rocks. Kevin Durant was like, man,
let me get it. Let me let me make sure
that I get a championship, and he did, and everybody
was mad. And he did, but everybody if he didn't
do that will look back. Ah, he got everything but
a championship. No. Kevin Durant said, I'm gonna go get
my chip and then I'm gonna move forward. And it

(56:18):
has not. It's so easy. It hasn't. Ooh, Le'm gonna
say it again. Fitzy, You're like, it's so easy. It
hasn't been duplicated. Again, it is so easy, it hadn't
been duplicated. So to answer about Lebron, why not go
that's what he's playing for you. For a guy like Lebron,
you gotta win your own championship. He can't win Jason

(56:39):
Tatum's championship. You get what I'm saying. And then they'd
be like, wow, he just went there Jason Tatum and
that was it, right. So Lebron is so great, he
has to win his championship. He can't win, you know,
Jason Tatum's championship, can't win anybody else's. He has to
win his championship. So I hope that that brings some
more light of why he can't leave. There's there's no

(56:59):
minds and lean leaving and you're like, well, he just
wants to lose that. No, it doesn't mean that he
just wants to lose. It just means that, hey, you know,
he knows what's going on and it's not as easy
as what you're saying, and he's got to get his own,
you know, his own championship.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Well, and it's fair to say that I'm not really
I hadn't put in the variable of the fact that
people have made up their minds, like, look, I think
Lebron versus MJ is the equivalent, the grown up equivalent
of my dad can beat up your dad, Like nobody
really knows, nobody can prove it one way or the other.
We're just like it's that that we're yelling into the
abyss with that. And to be very clear, I want

(57:40):
to preface all of this. I am not going to
have a political conversation here. I simply after the debate
the other night, I tweeted out a question. I said,
is there anything that you saw in the debate tonight
that would change the way that you voted? And ninety
percent of the people that responded to that poll said no.
And I think that's just I wasn't saying that to
get involved in politics, simply saying that to remind everybody

(58:01):
that y'all already made mind up, So like, why are
we talking about it like it's a big deal when
you've already made your mind up. To your point, people
have made their mind up one way or the other
about Lebron. People are so dug in on either Lebron
is the best or Lebron isn't the best that nobody's
allowing reevaluation of any of that, or or like, hey,
I've got new information, let me look at it, or
let me listen to your side of it. No, like

(58:23):
this is just two sides like politics screaming at each other.
And you're right, if Lebron goes somewhere and wins five
more championships, it'll be well, he had to ring Chase
at the end of his career. If he stays with
the Lakers and does an incredible thing of playing with
this kid, it just has this moment.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
For five more years.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
It'll be like, yeah, but look, he didn't even win
a championship and the Lakers couldn't get it done. They
only got the bubble one. Like nobody's actually listening. Everybody's
just yelling.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Well again too, and I want to see and maybe
this can sway you the only way that it. I mean,
a championship would add to his legacy, undoubtedly, but it
would have to be a championship in LA. So let's
say fit obviously as great as Lebron is and we're
both saying you shouldn't. There should be no one that
can question what he's done. And this whole thing would

(59:11):
be having a chance to probably throw a lobb Lebronni
or Brownie throw a lob to him. To me, that
just adds to his legacy. It's unbelievable. Okay, it's a
father's dream, right right. If Lebron, let's say they signed
Paul George, right, James hard and Paul George, one of
those guys signs with Lebron and for some weird reason

(59:31):
they win a championship this year. Would that be different
than if he went and joined the Celtics.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
No, no, not to me, but to a lot of people,
it would be just steven A.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
It would be we know that well, it would be
it would be his, You get what I'm saying. It
would be his and it wouldn't be anybody else's and
that's the same reason when Kevin Durant, as we noted earlier,
when his championship, right, uh, they said, oh, that was
Steph Curry's look at the team that he had look

(01:00:04):
at this Kevin Durant still hasn't been credited for his championship,
credited givin Durrant. And he was the best player arguably
right at that moment, the best player on the entire planet.
So right, yeah, go ahead. So when I bring that up,
that's what I'm saying, Hey, give him some credit, give

(01:00:27):
him credit for you know, for for what is due
and understand that. And do you agree he's gonna he
would have to do in LA to get the I
guess to to shut the people up. But at this point,
Lebron shouldn't have to shut anybody up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
To me, what's wild is that we have become such
a troll society that with the NBA particularly, it's all, yeah,
but it doesn't matter if you didn't win championships, which
to me is kind of asinine, like you can be
a tremendous player and never win a championship because the
stars didn't align. Like the amount of breakup Brown Tatum,
which I was never a part of my record speaks

(01:01:03):
on that was because Okay, so they played one hundred
and seven games together and didn't win a championship. All right,
well there's a reason for that. It's not like one
consistent thing got in the way of all of that.
I thought it was a false narrative. And then when
you do win a championship, it's yeah, but look at
the way he won that championship. Like this is the
stupidest thing in the world that we're sitting here saying,

(01:01:24):
you can't have value as an athlete unless you're winning championships.
But the championships got to be the kind of championships
we like them to be, and then you gotta win.
You win one, and it'll be like, yeah, but you
gotta win a couple of them. Like the fact that
people sit down with Aaron Rodgers and say, but my
guy's only won one Super Bowl. You know how hard
it is to win a Super Bowl? And then we
sit around saying, yeah, but he's only got one of them.

(01:01:44):
And am I supposed to believe that Trent Dilfer is
better than Dan Marino because Trent Dilford won a Super
Bowl and Dan Marino didn't. This is the ignorance with
which we cover the NBA so often, and it just
it drives me crazy, like because it devalues what we
see in a night out, It devalues the regular season,
it de values the playoffs like the NBA didn't do that.

(01:02:05):
The way we cover the NBA did that because we
have become so obsessed with anything you do in the
regular season does not matter unless you win a championship
the way we want you to win a championship. When
we want you to win a championship, and then we
will talk about your legacy, even if you're only two
years into your damn career, it's stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Well, you know the problem with Aaron Rodgers is Tom Brady.
You got a guy who set the bar so extremely
high that you know, it's almost impossible anybody, even in
any other sport, to catch up to because you know, football,
especially in football, football is supposed to be the team sport, right,

(01:02:43):
the team. You have to have a great team, you
have to have timing, and Tom Brady just kind of
literates all of that. So you're right, But what lebron Hey,
there's no reason for him to leave LA. He's got
a deal too sweet. You know, family really comes before everything,
and you know, just doubling down that a championship, it

(01:03:08):
would not mean the same anywhere else. And again keep
in mind, he's already delivered a championship to LA, so
you can say it's a bubble championship or not. But
a lot of that pressure has subsided. Where if he
came here and didn't get that, you know, there'd be
a lot more questions. But hey, bubble or not, he

(01:03:29):
won one. And you know it's funny, like you said, dude,
you do anybody know how hard it is to win
a championship. If it was just so easy, somebody else
would have won that championship that year. But they didn't.
Lebron did. They had a good team, they worked, and
it was it was his team. He played at a
high level and he brought a championship to LA.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
I can solve all of this. I can solve the
way that we should be ranking players. I can solve
the way we should be contextualizing contextualizing players.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I'm gonna solve all of it. I'm gonna do that
for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
But first we got to get you caught up on
the biggest news and notes What's trending across the world
of sports.

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
And this report Jason and Ryan presented by five guys.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yaha. This is Murgers.

Speaker 6 (01:04:12):
We started in the NBA, where multiple outlets reported overnight
the Chicago Bulls forward Patrick Williams has agreed to a
five year, ninety million dollar extension in Major League Baseball.
On Saturday night, the Los Angeles Dodgers scored seven runs
and the top half of the eleventh thty for a
fourteen to seven victory at San Francisco Angels over the Tigers,

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intending six to five. Angels on a six game winning streak.
The Twins with a five to one victory at Seattle,
thanks in part to Byron Buxton's three run home run
in the six sitting. Minnesota is now homered in eighteen
consecutive games. The Baltimore Orioles with a six to five
win over the Texas Rangers. Baltimore's Heston Kerstad the go
ahead Grand Slam home run at the bottom of the

(01:04:54):
fifth for the Orioles, who have won four consecutive games.
In soccer, the Round of sixteen con tinues at Euro
twenty twenty four today as kicking off at noon Eastern
it'll be England against Slovakia now, Jason and Ryan, I'm
gonna put you to the test. London's Daily Male newspaper

(01:05:14):
has been speaking to England fans outside the stadium today.
So on a scale of one to ten, I want
you guys to rate just how drunk these fans of
England are that you're about to hear.

Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
Listen the top of the goop, just enjoy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Look how good they look, how good we are? Everyone
comes a manager when yours all gariffiz gits one, two, three, four,
four of the best summers ever. Just get behind Gus.
The price a battered we are the manager's bad and
all the public land through ways doing this coming on
bumping top of the goo. Let's go oky to the

(01:05:57):
snyduging things up.

Speaker 8 (01:06:04):
And again.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
That was a couple of hours before the match even began.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Back to you, you know, man, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
I love it. I love people going out having a
good time. I don't want to I love people tailgating Hollins.
This never made that much sense to me. I used
to say when I was on the road in country music,
like if you're just gonna get so tanked at the
tailgate that you don't remember the concert, save yourself the money,
drink the beer at home, and put the CD on.
Like there's a level. Those guys were on one. I
think there's a level, Like you gotta have every group

(01:06:34):
that tailgate should have one person that just sits back
is like, nope, we're done, We're good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
We want to remember today. This should be the cutoff point.
I think they missed that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Yeah, I think you listen. I am not a drinker,
so I wouldn't know. But you know what, you probably
got some people yell and you know at the radio
right now, go whoa, whoa, whoa, Fitzy that you're missing
the whole It's never been about the game. It's never
been about the game.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Look, I'm too cheap. I am too cheap to spend
stadium prices and stadium prices on concessions and not remember
the damn thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Like that's just a rule for me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
I like, I like to have a couple, you know
the stadium, Like to have a couple at an arena and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Then just be done. I gotta make sure that I'm
cognizant for the whole thing. Is Fox Sports Radio Sunday,
He's Ryan Hollins. I'm Jason Fitz. We're coming at your
live from the tiraq dot com studios. I'm gonna stick
with alcohol for a second, okay, because alcohol is the
way that we end every debate about who's the goat.
This is the easy thing, because Hollin's, if you've ever
walked into a bar, or if you've walked into a

(01:07:37):
bar with a friend, if you're not a drinker, you
walk into a bar and you walk up to the
bartender and you say, you know what, give me your
best tequila. Now that's very subjective, so you know every
bartender might give you a different tequila. But what you
do know when you're standing back in the bar and
you're looking, is you know that there is what they
call top shelf, right, so give me top shelf tequila.
That's the stuff that's on the high shelf. That's the

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stuff they call.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
More per shot, more per drink, more per bottle.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
That's the really nice stuff. We can differ on what
the best bottle of wine is, we can differ on
what a best bottle of champagne is, best vodka.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Whatever these things are, but we all know where the
group is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
If we simply started putting people in tears instead of
trying to make one obviously always better than the other.
If we simply said, all right, these are our top shelf,
Like you know what, I'm gonna be honest, y'all, I
don't care who's better than Michael or Lebron. Ain't gonna
change my sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Here's what I know. They're two of the best of
all time. Pop them up on the same shelf.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Like put the action figure of Lebron next to the
action figure of Michael, and when we walk into the bar,
we can look up at the top shelf and we
can be like, man, those those are the goats, Like
those are two of the best of all time. And
then you end this unnecessary and unsolvable debate. And by
doing so, once you're Lebron and you're on the top shelf,
people can just relax about whether or not you're going

(01:08:56):
to accomplish enough to get past Michael. Like those stupid
debates can end if we simply tear people by shelf.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
I don't think we do. Like everyone's good. And here's
the thing, A lot of the former basketball players don't
like to do it because they have so much respect
for the game that it's like if I have to
The problem is and FITZI, you know, we've both been
guilty of this. This is part of it, me more

(01:09:29):
so than you. Is there's a level where if I'm
gonna prove that my guy is better, I gotta do
some tearing down of the other guy. And when the
problem with the basketball peers and the hoop heads is
that if you think I've got to tear down Lebron
James to talk how good that Michael is, or I

(01:09:51):
gotta tear down Michael to say how good Lebron is,
or I gotta tear down Kobe to say how much
better he is than Lebron, to do it, because there's
no way you can take anything away from all those
amazing people. And keep in mind, every time that those
debates are being had, it's an honor that someone's mentioned
in those breaths, you know. But to what you're saying,

(01:10:13):
why you want to tear somebody has to end up
on top, you know, And that's part of the fun,
that's part of the debate, that's part of the passion
when it's done all in sports and in the right context.
But you know, I get your tears, but it's a
safe way out. You know, you want to end with somebody,
somebody on top. And again, you're right, it is subjective.

(01:10:34):
It is my dad's pread your dad. A lot of
times they're like, you know, I had the debate with
Shaq and it was like, hey, Shaq, well you know
Lebron's better than Mike, and he's like, you're crazy. Well,
why am I crazy? You're crazy? You know it's my dad,
Because it's my dad, that's why, you know. Then Shaq,

(01:10:57):
for context, comes back later on and goes, when Lebron
break the score record, goes, well, Lebron, you're the best
player to ever do it. You know, So again it's
my dad versus your dad. There's a lot of things
that are subjective. I think there are, and I think
the fun part about watching le Bron's career that you're right,
if somehow he won a championship in LA it would
sway some minds, not all minds, but it's it would
sway some minds. And there was a moment where, because

(01:11:18):
Michael was definitely always my goat, where Lebron swayed me.
And it was when he was in Cleveland and he
had that run and I was like, I don't think
we've ever seen anything like this. I don't think Michael
can do this. And that was my personal opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
I hear all of that only the difficulty I have
with it is sometimes it feels like the opinion becomes
the overriding narrative around everything, and you know, I just
I think about this. In the music business, there are
huge songs that have lived on forever that didn't come
anywhere close to number one, and like Sweet Home Alabama.

(01:11:54):
I think Sweet Home Alabama peaked at number thirteen on
the charts if I remember correctly. Aerosmith, who had a huge,
huge career, huge massive career full of songs everybody knows
and listens to all the time, don't want to miss
the thing. The song from the Armageddon soundtrack was the
first song Aerosmith ever recorded that went to number one.
Everything else didn't get anywhere near that. Like you can

(01:12:15):
even a gangam style like songs like that that are
still played and we all roll our eyes to never
went to number one. And the thing of it is,
in the music world, that's okay because you remember the song,
and you remember the song for what it means to
you in the moments and everybody allows that. In sports,
it feels like if you don't go to number one,
if you weren't absolutely Like we had a song when
I was with the Van Perry. We had a song

(01:12:36):
that called Don't Let Me Be Lonely that went to
number two, and I remember how disappointed we were on
the bus the day that it was number two. It
was like we had failed epically because we really thought
that song was going to go to number one. It
meant something to be number one. We finished number two.
People got fired because that song went to number two.
And I think about that and I'm like, now I
look back on it, I'm like, that's the stupidest damn

(01:12:57):
thing I've ever been a part of, because you gotta
look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Well, as I say this, we have breaking news, all right,
I hear we have breaking news. Isa gets caught up.
What do we got.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Breaking news from Fox Sports?

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
It's from the NBA where he ESPN has just reported
that the Detroit Pistons are hiring JB. Bickerstaff as their
new head.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yes, yes, why yes, tell me what you think? Man?

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
I was with JB. What two three stops in the
NBA JB does claim that he's the one who drafted
me to Charlotte. Loved JB. Bickerstaff Man. He's a basketball mind.
He deserves his accolades. He has a way of speaking
to players. Unfortunately, there's a coaching carousel where you kind

(01:13:51):
of it's not your fault, but you will be fired
because it's a players league h at the end of
the day. And I thought he did an amazing job
with the Cavaliers, so I'm gonna have to shoot him
a congratulation text and I'm ecstatic, man. And ain't nothing
easy there with the Pistons, and wasn't anything easy with
the Bobcats when we were there, but we all ended
up being long tenured pros and JB was a big

(01:14:14):
part of that. So again, again happy for JB. Bickerstaff Man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
That is the breaking news we just got from Isaac. JB.
Bickerstaff hired as the head coach of the Detroit Pistons
when we come back. Hollins just said something about coaching
in the NBA that has me wondering if we're if
we're headed down the right or wrong path for the
future of the league. We'll break it down next Fox
Sports Sunday, Ryan Hollands, Jason Fits on Fox Sports Radio.

(01:14:42):
So Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio coming at your
Live from the tyrack dot Com studios, Ryan Hollins, Jason Fitz.
The breaking news we just got.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
JB.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Bickerstaff has been hired as the new head coach of
the Detroit Pistons. And it's funny because I'm interested to
talk to you Hollins about co coaching for a second,
because the minute he's hired, all I can think about
is how much the Pistons are paying coaches to not
be in the building. At this point, the coaching turnover
in the NBA feels astounding to me, and I'm trying
to figure out how that plays into the culture you

(01:15:13):
talked about earlier. We say a lot about the players
and understanding the culture that they're either creating that they're
coming into or they're augmenting, depending on what states they
are in their career. But that's got to be established
by somebody, right So in your mind, if you're looking
at JB. Bickerstaff coming in to the Pistons, how comfortable
can he even be establishing a culture when the organization

(01:15:36):
has been let's say, at least impatient with the last hire.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Well, I'm sure that you know those statements were addressed.
I think all can be forgiven with how patient they
are because they paid money, they took care of them.
My assumption also, maybe there's something that we just don't
know that happened there with money. He's had a lot
going on personally, and I don't I don't know anything.
I don't am not guessing. I'm just saying, hey, I

(01:16:04):
don't think he's upset. I think he's just fine, and
he has options. I think we saw this with with
Mike Brown. Mike Brown had similar you know, done to
him and got to kind of watch his son play
ball over and I want to say he was over
at modern day and kind of got to relax. And

(01:16:26):
he's back coaching in the NBA right now. So Manti's
gonna be okay. And I think for JB, he's seeing
this situation with the Pistons and saying, you know, are
you gonna let me develop? Are you gonna be patient?
And the problem that JB ran into over over and

(01:16:47):
over with the Gosh with the Cavaliers is the Cavaliers
got too good, too quick, and they had to win
and when you brought in a star like Donovan Mitchell,
they go from cultable kids to kind of like, hey,
I like to do it like this. I like to
play my plays run like this. I like my plays

(01:17:09):
run like that. So, you know, all the work that
he put in to get the organization to a certain spot,
there was a whole lot of you know, being inpatient.
And it couldn't be Garland's fault. It couldn't be you know,
Young Bull's fault. It ended up having to be you know,
JB's fault, and that's a part of it. So, you know,
a job like the Piston should give you time. I

(01:17:30):
think Monty being fired, I don't know, it's not our business.
Whatever happened, but it didn't didn't seem it just seemed
like there was more going on there because that's not
much that he could do, you know, with that roster.
But he got his money, and again I don't, I don't.
I don't think there's any complaints.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Yeah, I mean, getting paid a boatload of money to
not work is something that college football coaches have gotten
used to also, like it's it's a beautiful thing. Certainly
it'd rather work, but it changes the perspective of the
day that you're fired. There's no doubt about that. I
look back at the Bucks as an example of you know,
it felt like when coach Bud finally got him to

(01:18:06):
a championship. And I say finally because leading up into
that playoff run, there was a real conversation loudly about
whether or not Modenholzer could make the appropriate to adjustments
blah blah blah blah blah. And then things don't go
well the year after he gets let go, and all
of a sudden, it feels like things in Milwaukee lost
some of their footing. And I think that's the hardest
part is that there's a fine line for organizations in

(01:18:29):
the NBA, particularly between stability and somebody that can sort
of anchor everything versus somebody that can raise the level
of play versus somebody that can come in and sort
of just man the ship. It's underrated to me how
great you have to be as a high top level
basketball coach at managing egos more so than I think

(01:18:49):
any other sport. You're genuinely managing how many touches somebody
can get, how to keep everybody happy. It's why I
think we sort of sleep on. The personality management of
Phil Jackson and Steve Kirk is being huge accomplishments. But
it feels like when you look at a team like Milwaukee,
they chose the revolving door, and I don't know that
now that looks like that was the right decision. So
change for the sake of change. It makes me nervous.

(01:19:11):
But you got to get these hires right when you
have a young team. You got to get these highers
tight when you're trying to establish the culture of who
you are, And that kind of feels like where the
pistons are. The pistons are trying to find an identity
that isn't just you know, the identity of suck.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Yeah, no, no, of course they are. And you know,
I'm pretty sure that JB probably had questions back for them.
You're right, Hey, what's the direction, what are we building towards,
what are we drafting, what's the culture that's being built there?
And that's one thing that JB did build with with
Cleveland is they were extremely good defensively, and that Cavaliers

(01:19:49):
team they couldn't quite get over the edge. But you
know that's something that JB built Old school boxes and elbows,
protect the paint, you know, guard inside out, which is
kind of rare for today's NBA. And again, they had
a lot of success, and that was JB.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
That's such again a good example of having success and
then that success not quite being enough. It's a wild world,
and you know there's better than anybody, but the expectations
in the NBA shift so quickly, whether we're talking about
coaches or stars, the expectations shift so quickly that you

(01:20:27):
step back and you wonder how patient anybody can be,
because once you get into that window, man, the worst
thing you can be in the NBA is not just
to be bad, it's to become irrelevant. And you've got
to find somebody that can help bring everything together to
avoid that process for you. So the Pistons hope they
took that step. With the breaking news this morning, JB.
Bickerstaff has been hired as their new head coach. We

(01:20:48):
will see how that moves forward. In the meantime, we'll
continue to break down everything happening across the world of sports,
not the least of which is I cannot believe I'm
actually saying this. I cannot believe it's true. But we
might have controversy and the hot dog eating Contest before
we've even gotten to the fourth of July. I'll tell
you why next coming up on Fox Sports Radio, Ryan Hollins,

(01:21:08):
Jason Fitz.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
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Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Controversy is nothing new in the world of sports, but
we're not used to controversy around the Fourth of July
and the hot dog eating Contest. Yet we are here
right now now with the same old you already heard
about the fact that Joey Chestnut isn't going to be
eating at the Nathan's Famous Hot Dog Eating Contest this year.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
But now things just got a litle more interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
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We've gotten you covered all morning across the landscape of
lebron and the NBA and everything else that's happening right now.
Bahalin's got to get into some hot dog drama because
you mentioned it earlier. You and I actually did a
hot dog eating contest together back when we were on ESPN.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
We ate some hot dogs against each other. Should be noted.
One time in my life I can say I kicked
to professional athletes.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
But but I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Mean, and I'm a little guy, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Like I'm a little guy, but I can house some food.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
So I'm proud of that. And like I said earlier,
three years I was the hot dog eating contest sideline reporter.
I'm very familiar with it. So there was some big
news a couple of weeks ago when we found out
that Joey Chess not not going to be competing in
this year's fourth of July hot dog Gating contest because
he has a deal with impossible foods and the hot
dog eating contest is sponsored by Nathan so they couldn't

(01:22:54):
find a way to do it together. So then we
find out at the time that you know, in a
few months, Netflix, there's gonna be a big Kobe Yashi
versus Joey Chestnut hot dog eating contest from the two
greatest of all time to ever do it. Fine, but
yesterday we got another piece of breaking news, another piece
of drama, another slice of Oh my god, what's happening pie,

(01:23:15):
as we find out that on the fourth of July,
directly against Nathan's hot dog eating contest, Joey Chestnut is
going to go and he's going to eat hot dogs
on his own, in his own event, that he's gonna
be eating hot dogs with soldiers. I mean, what gets
more American turned around and being like, you know what,
I'm gonna eat some hot dogs with some soldiers on

(01:23:37):
the fourth of July. This is a This is all
I'm saying. I don't need you major league eating. I
got my own thing. This is wild.

Speaker 7 (01:23:44):
He because he is hot dog eating, right, he is
hot dog eating right, you gott Hey, I'm not mad
at this right now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
He's the biggest name. They banned the guy. They didn't
want to make it work. I love it. I love
to move. Okay, he's a legend, he's the he's the
goat of the sport. Literally, so you know what, Yeah, yeah,
I'm taking my hot dog and I'm going home.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
The funny thing is, look like Nick Weary is one
of the competitors on the fourth. I think he has
a real chance at winning. I've spent a lot of
time with Nick for a few years. It's gonna mean
a lot to him. But I actually feel get bad
for the people that are eating at the Nathan's Hotel
getting contest because two things. One they're not they're gonna win,
but they're not gonna win against Joey Chestnow we talked

(01:24:31):
earlier about qualifying championships in the NBA. You want to
tell me that everybody's gonna be like, I mean, it
didn't bet Joey. And Joey's number is usually just twenty
above everybody else, so you know, realistically, whatever winning number
is is going to be far lower than what we're
used to. So it's a lower number. And he didn't
take on Joey. You're not gonna get a lot of

(01:24:52):
street credit for that, whether you should or not. And
it's not just Joey, it's a motivated Joey. Joey.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Joey's about to go off. I mean, this is gonna
be this like like he may go over there with
these soldiers and just just go berserk. And I think
he is. I think he is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
I mean, he tweeted out yesterday, I'm headed down to
Fort blissenel Passo on the fourth to do it. I
do best military style while I'm crushing hot dogs. You
want to come with me and help feed the hungry crowd?

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
You win?

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
I mean this just the other part of it, because
you're right, he's gonna be motivated, He's gonna put up
a massive number, and maybe nobody's gonna watch it compare
because I'll be honest, you'all might roll your eyes at it.
For everything I ever did at ESPN, I'm not sure
my phone blew up more or I got asked more
about anything other than the hot dog eating contest. The

(01:25:45):
number of concentrated eyeballs on that on the fourth of
July is real. But now what you're gonna see is,
you know, so and so wins a hot dog eating
contest with fifty dogs, and over here, you know you've
got Joey Chestnut put down seventy four with the soldiers
at four Bliss. That just feels like America is taking
America on that one. Like there's just a lot of
America now there's a lot of like this is just

(01:26:06):
America through and through, and Joey Chestnut is going to
be the victor.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
For all of it. Hey, I'm a big Joey fan personally,
I would like a rematch. Okay. I felt like, you know,
I was cheated in the hot dog contest. I felt
like I had so much more to offer, and you
know what, like I won a second chance, you know.
But I'm team Joey in this. I ride with him.

(01:26:33):
I support him. I don't know where you are FITSI
and I think they should have they they knew this
Chestnut thing was coming up, and I think that they
should have found a way to work around it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Oh yeah, I mean, look, you can't right now when
you've still got peak Joey chestnutt if this is years
from now and Joey's not as good. And Joey really
genuinely trains for this stuff all year round, like last year,
he had heard his for two years ago. He'd hurt
his foot right before the event and he was in
a walking boot and I remember talking to him and
he said, you know, it's gonna slow down my number

(01:27:05):
because I use my feet to bounce while I eat,
Like he's got a methodical approach, like he trains for this.
And that's why I think it's it's if you're major
league eating, you know, did you cut off your nose
despite your face? Because this isn't the end. I keep
using Tiger today as an analogy, but this isn't like
past his prime Tiger that you're painfully watching try and
swing a club. This is still this is like the

(01:27:26):
master's mid Tiger mid Tiger's dominance saying you know what,
we're good without him. We don't need it. We got
a brand conflict. We're not gonna do it. It just
it absolutely puts major league eating in a terrible situation.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Who do you blame? Though?

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Like, who's who's fault?

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Is this right here? Uh? That's what dropped the ball?
And I'm and I'm not just saying point generally like
how does it? Because we know in corporate America things
are different? Is it the marketing?

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Hey, we lose sponsorship?

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Is it? Like?

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Like? How does this thing work?

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
I think what happens here is Joey realizes he can
make a bunch of money on a deal, and he
takes the deal.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
No talk about Nathan's how did Nathan's how do they
drop the ball?

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Well, but Nathan's is sitting around saying, I mean, if
you're Nathan's and you spend all this money on the
hot dog eating contest every year, you don't want somebody
coming out that represents another brand, it feels like. And
if you're Joey Chestnut, you know if you're getting more
money this is This is a little bit like the
w NBA portion of it, where we've talked for years
about players making so much money on the side doing

(01:28:31):
other things. If you're if you're Joey, you make far
more off of your deal with impossible foods then you're
gonna make with major league eatings. So this is just
everybody looking out for themselves. Now here's the question, do
you think most people are going to turn the channel
on this? This is what the real heart of the

(01:28:51):
matter here is when people tune in and they find
out Joey's not on, are they going to tune out
or are they gonna flock to Joey's live stream or
whatever you doing wherever it's being broadcast, Like, are people
going to watch somewhere else rather than that? Because we
are a habitual society, you know that, right, Like, so
it doesn't matter what football games are on on Sunday,
We're gonna watch those football games. It feels like the

(01:29:13):
hot dog eating contest. What you're banking on is you
know what people are gonna sit at. We're a tradition,
and once we're a tradition, people will stick with us
no matter what. I just don't know it won't get
the same level of conversation. But are you gonna watch
less with no Joey?

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Yeah? I think you have to watch less with no Joey.
But even Bigger and FITZI, you know what it's like
working these things? Do you think there would be a
very and this is what happens behind the scenes real
strict like do not say chestnuts name, don't acknowledge it,
or like do you lean into the deal?

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
So here, that's a really good question, right. The brothers
that run this take it very very seriously, and the
guy that does the intro speech at the beginning takes
it very practices for months to get ready for this.
They take it very seriously. I could see where there's
two ways to go. Way Number one is you don't
even acknowledge Joey. Wait, Number two is you come right

(01:30:14):
in and immediately start with it's a new era for
a new champion, you know, But I don't know. Man,
this feels like the Rockets win in the title while
Michael was taking his break.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
That's what we're gonna have.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
It's this is always gonna be the illaj one champions, Like,
It's just that's what it's gonna be. It's the it's
the ultimate asterisk of Yeah, but there was no Michael
those two years, so do we really count that?

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
No, No, you're right, you're right. That was that's a
that's a that's a thing. Don't shoot at my rockets.
I caught what you said. But you know that that
Ed can't in it very much. Is gonna end up
being a thing, and whoever wins it, they're gonna be
looking like, you know, yeah, you didn't beat Joey. You
didn't beat Joey. Listen, if I'm Nathan's I lean into

(01:31:04):
this all the way. I lean into this thing so hard.
I mean, it would it would it would be It'd
be disgusting and I'd be showing old footage of Joey.
I just I just run it through the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Oh my god, I love this. Abandoned by the superstar
after we made him who he is, Like take a
total wwe angle on this where it's like we made
Joey Chestnut and he abandoned us, but we will rise
from the ashes and give you the next to Joey
like that. Oh man, that's like now you're now you're
You're swimming in sauce right there, Like this is this

(01:31:37):
is a good, good thing. You got to lean into
this now, like the the you've got, like the yelling
and the crowd going nuts. Yeah, I feel like you're right.
You lean into the evil evil empire sort of angle
on this. You make Joey the bad guy, make major
league eating the good guys. Oh, I'm put you on
retainer for this, brother. You've got to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Yeah. Yeah, we're throwing some shade his way, Like we're
throwing some beef. We're throwing some you know, we're throwing
a not some. We're throwing a lot of shots his way.
How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Oh well, what I know is on the fourth of July,
obviously the hot dog eating contest happens, and then we
hit the month of July coming up. I'm gonna be
honest with you, I'm just gonna spill it out here.
July is the worst month of the year, especially if
you're a sports fan. We'll see if Holland's agrees with me,
I'll break down. I'll tell you why. Coming up next
Fox Sports Sunday, Ryan Holland's Chason Fits Fox Sports Radio Sunday,

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Sports Radio wherever gets you podcast. You'll see this show
posted right after we get off the air. He's Ryan Hollins,
I'm Jason Fitz. All right, Holland's hear me out. Everybody
talks about the best sports months. We hear that in
a moment of joy, I'm here to troll the world
today and tell you that we are about to enter
the worst of the sports months, maybe the worst month
in general in the calendar for the entire year, no

(01:33:19):
matter whether you're a sports fan or not, has to
be July, but particularly if you're a sports fan, Like
we are so starved for something competitive that we care
about hot talkeeating, Like that's real in the month of July,
as opposed to like, I don't know, October, where you've
got the World Series and you've got you know, the
NHL in high gear at the same time the NBA

(01:33:42):
is kicking off, at the same time that college football
and the NFL are feeding us like the drug that
we need, Like we understand all these things, like July, okay, baseball,
Like baseball guys yelling at his radio right now, all right,
cool baseball? What else? And like even if you love baseball,
this isn't a good month to go sit and watch
a baseball game. Like the amount of buck crack sweat
right now is real. You just you say the word

(01:34:03):
outside and all of a sudden, bam, you got a
shower right now, Like everything is gross, it's too hot,
Like unless you're sitting on the water. You're not really
living like the life. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Manly July takes the cake is the worst for me.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
No, hey, you're right about that, But you know what
would you say earlier? You don't like tail caters either.
A lot of people with these baseball gads right, they
ain't watching the game. It's too long, it's too hot.
They're going to drink, they're going to unwind. They're going
to live their best life. So no, no, I get it.
You wouldn't get it. See you you are because FITZI

(01:34:41):
I get it from you. You are an entertainer, you
are a performer. You are an our teast in our teeth.
So you're like, if I'm going I'm gonna get my
money's worth. That's not how we all think. The rest
of us are like, I'm going to, you know, have
a good time. You're like, no, I'm going to get
whatever I paid for. Oh man, you know how gross

(01:35:03):
it is? Like in country music, you spend the whole
summer touring, which is why summer doesn't hit from me
the same night. Like so many people love summer because
it's about vacations. But for fifteen plus years of my life,
I made the majority of my.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Living during summer, and you get out in July when
you're playing like the hardest part of the country. Is
like one night you're playing this beautiful arena and you're like,
we have made it. And the next day you're playing
the Paduca County Fair in Kentucky and you're like, what
am I doing with my life? And you're standing outside
on this stage and like and then like you're you're
sweating through everything. So you're gonna wear three or four
just different sets of clothes because there's really nowhere you

(01:35:36):
can go that saves you from the heat and the humidity.
And then when you start playing the show, because it's night,
especially when you're in the South and the Midwest, it's
night in the middle of summer. You got lights everywhere.
What delights attract weird bugs. So the amount of bugs
you swallow during a show while you're trying to sing, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Oh man, you swallow bugs.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
You can't help it. Like you got a microphone in
front you and you're singing a big old vocal and
all of a sudden, like this weird thing you don't
even know what it is, comes just flapping down your throat.
You can't do anything about it. There was a there
was a guy that helped me set up all all
of my instruments and everything that my tech is what
they call it. And during the summer, when they pull
the keyboard out of the case, the first thing they

(01:36:19):
have to do with the keyboard is wipe the bug
cuts off because the night before the keys are so
white in the light that the bugs just flock to
the keys. So while you're playing, you're you're just going
to be killing things, like there's no two ways about it.
You can't not Like, so if you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Are in the middle of hitting a note and a
bug decides to you know, hey, looks like a nice
place to rest, do you like you know, like I've
never heard that. No, no, man, you can't talk to it,
Like you just gotta go like there's no way about it,

(01:36:55):
Like it's just there's because there's no way you're doing that.
You're not breaking Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Yeah, you get like that's like it's the most disgusting
sound on anyone's heard on the radio today. But like,
I'm not talking about one or two bugs, and they
usually don't fly around you there. I'm talking about especially
if you're playing in Florida or Pam or places like
that in the middle of the night, or if you're
playing near a lake, like in Michigan, if you're playing

(01:37:22):
like a night show, nine thirty at night, middle of
the summer, and you have all the lights, the stage lights,
and then the lights that are on you, like, think
about that light is coming right in your face. If
you're not in the light, then nobody can see you.
So like you're standing in the light, you could have hundreds,
if not thousands of bugs that are swarming everywhere, little ones,
big ones, like and they're just die bombing everything while
you're playing like it is so yeah, Like, have you

(01:37:44):
had a.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Bad moment where a bug flies into your mouth during
a show and just caught you in a note?

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, several. I've had several where in the
middle of a yeah, in the middle of a song
catches you and then you got a bunch of people
on stay singing. So you just get used to the
fact that people will drop out for a second here
or there everywhere, and you can't really like, again, I'm
playing Like when I was touring, I was playing four
or five instruments on some songs, right, So it's not
like I can just stop reach down gravel water. No,

(01:38:15):
you just gotta you just gotta hunk it through, like
you just got to find a way to go through it.
You know. It's just and people wonder why I don't
like summer, like this is I'm living on right now. Yeah, yeah,
I get it, I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
It's like you want to go to Miami, You're like, no, no, no, yeah,
like you've got it made in La though, at least
because in La there's not a lot of humidity, right
like everything when it gets nighttime in La, God, it's beautiful,
like there's a little breeze coming through. Nobody hates playing
a night show in LA. It's playing night shows in
you know, Louisiana. That'll just it'll put some hair on

(01:38:51):
your chest and some sweat in your back. Like there's
just no, there's no two ways about it, is there.
So you're such a basketball guy, is there a month
that you you just feel like it's for football? For
NFL junkies, this this month gets really hard because training
camp is at the end of the month, and so
for so many NFL junkies, we just sit there waiting
for our fix all month. You know, is there a

(01:39:12):
month for you where you just feel like you get
the NBA itch and you need it to come.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Back right before training camp, right right right right before
a training camp, because all you're doing is hearing about
all the free agent signings and how's this guy gonna
play with this guy and this guy gonna win a

(01:39:37):
championship and they're supposed to win it. They're supposed to.
There's nothing worse for an athlete or like a fan
than the preseason rankings. They are supposed to be good,
they're supposed to win it. No one can stop them.
They're unstoppable, like all that that wears on you. Yeah,
so I would say right before, right with all the

(01:39:59):
pre season stuff heats up, you know, right before training camp.
You know that's that's the that's the time where you're like,
come on, man, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
I think that's interesting too, because those rankings people get
so fired up, so fired like power rankings are gonna
come out in July for the NFL, and NFL fans
are going to just freak out about the blatant disrespect.
You know what what fixes that? Winning? Like who cares
if somebody had your team ranked twenty second twenty sixth

(01:40:30):
who cares like you know when they'll rank them appropriately.
If the team is as good as you think, you'll
be right in the end. So like, why does it
matter what anybody sitting down making a power rankings list
thinks when you know at the end you have the
chance to prove that person wrong. I've never understood it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Yeah, no, I get it. No, one hundred percent, hundred percent. No, listen,
nothing you said is wrong. But it's just uh, I
think it's motivating. You want to find motivation. They didn't
believe in me before. Now they believe in me now.
Like everything is motivation. That's That's pretty much ninety percent

(01:41:09):
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
I'll buy that from an athlete, like I can understand
why you playing turn around and you're like, man, they
think I stink. I can understand why you care about that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
For me, you know, I'm a lifelong diehard Raiders fan.
Everybody knows that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
For me, when the Raiders are poorly ranked this season
coming into the season, I'm just gonna look at it
and laugh, like cause it ain't gonna change anything that
actually happens on the field. And if the team is
actually as good as fans want them to be well,
then you can keep an eye on it, and what
do you know, by week four or five, six, seven, eight,
you'll start getting appropriately ranked. Like the concept that you

(01:41:44):
need somebody else's approval. I understand that even for legacy conversations.
I understand why people get fired up about that. But
for actual hey, here's my power rankings of the teams.
That's going to prove itself to me. That's the one variable. Like,
there is no room on power rankings because in the end,
the teams will end up where they've played themselves into

(01:42:06):
ending up. Like if the Lakers are going to suck,
the Lakers are going to suck because they sucked on
the court, not because somebody making a power ranking said
they suck.

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
Okay, what is what is fan short for.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Very well thought out person. That's super logical.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Short for a fanatic.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
We know that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
That's part of it. Come on, you're right, you're right,
it's off. It's fair. If you're a fan of the sport,
you're a fanatic crazy and that's that's a day's a sport.
That's what makes it fun. That's a part of it.
So no, it's a reason to be unreasonable. Is the
reason that guys like me and you've been paid to
go on in say things and formulate opinions. That's a
part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Actually, I changed my mind on all of this because
I do so many videos for Yahoo Sports as my
as my main gig. Like, never mind, react to the
power rankings because it gives me something to reactive. Never Mind,
Hollins is right, I like getting paid. All right. We
got plenty coming up, including not the at least of
which controversy in soccer that actually ties into what every
single sports fan absolutely hates officiating.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
We'll talk about it next.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
That's coming up next live from tyrack dot com Studios.
But first we got to get an update on the
latest greatest news and notes in information from across the land.

Speaker 6 (01:43:16):
Thank you, Jason. We start with the big news today
in the NBA, as esp had reported this morning that
the Detroit Pistons are hiring JB. Bickerstaff as their new
head coach. He'll get a five year contract. Vickerstaff the
head coach previously of the Cleveland Cavaliers for the past
four plus seasons, including playoff appearances the past two seasons. Overnight,

(01:43:37):
multiple outlets reported Chicago Bulls forward Patrick Williams has agreed
to a five year, ninety million dollar extension in Major
League Baseball. On Saturday night, the Los Angeles Dodgers and
San Francisco Giants were tied at seven going into the
eleventh inning. Dodgers scored seven runs in the top half
of the eleventh for a fourteen to seven victory. The

(01:43:57):
Angels over the Tigers in ten innings, six to five.
The Angels on a six game winning streak. Today's Major
League Baseball action gets underway four minutes from now as
the Atlanta Braves host the Pittsburgh Pirates. Soccer at Euro
twenty twenty four. The Round of sixteen kicks off at
the top of the hour with a matchup between England
and Slovakia. Now earlier, Jason and Ryan, we heard what

(01:44:21):
several England fans outside the stadium had to say about
this matchup. Let's hear from another group of England supporters,
and the blood alcohol level of these fans might be
lower than the ones we heard from earlier, but the
confidence level remains the same.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
We all pull the handbreak off, it's going to be
a two new win and I think today we're going
to smash him, I think the real for today, I
think I'm going for three nil. I're very very excited
for today.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Gareth has got exhorted, he's.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
Going to make some changes, going to be positive, We're going.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
To smash it. And finally, as it relates to American foot,
just want to mention that we are exactly ten Sundays
away from the first Sunday of the twenty twenty four
regular season.

Speaker 8 (01:45:07):
And with that in mind, this is for you, Ryan.

Speaker 6 (01:45:10):
I'm going to play you a tune that any NFL
fan out there will recognize, but the instrument is somewhat different.
It's an NFL related song played on a fiddle.

Speaker 8 (01:45:25):
So this is for you Ryan.

Speaker 6 (01:45:26):
Listen, and then I'm gonna give you a fact about
this song. Now, as you could tell, that song was
the famous Raider anthem, the Autumn Wind. And the fact
about that song the fiddler that you just heard the
guy at the other end of the microphone from you,
our own Jason Fitz like, seriously, I didn't know you

(01:45:47):
could you could do that. That was really really good,
Jason Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
The Raiders asked me to play that a couple of
years ago, so I did it in a studio at
ESPN and then have done it for them a couple
of times. And yeah, I'm lucky to have a great
relationship with the team that I love being able to
play the national anthem for them a few times also
before games. So yeah, it's crazy what you can do
on a fiddle if you just you know, if you
think about it as a different instrument, it's a but Yeah,

(01:46:13):
certainly Autumn win Raiders fans have been really gracious to
that video.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
You're like calling you the fiddler.

Speaker 6 (01:46:19):
Yeah, you know, your your your talent and musical ability
almost makes up for your lack of judgment in selecting
burger places.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Well, look, I am humbly. I think I might be
the only person in the country that's had a Grammy
vote and a Bolitant caff Award vote for the best
wide receiver in college. I've worked really.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
Distinguishments in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
But also I don't have a vote for best burger.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
I'm not no Food TV and calling me for any
best burger votes, So you know, maybe that's a hole
on my my resume. All right, it's Fox Sports Radio Sunday,
Ryan Hollins, Jason Fitz Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
Why.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
I just figured, you know, I'm standing here looking at
my Grammary Stitch to get I thought I'd just just
humble Bragg to the world. Terrible, terrible, terrible. He's Ryan Hollinds.
I'm Jason fitz. Hollins and I have known each other
for a long time, so it's always a blast to
get to work. I've also got a bunch of my
Golden Platinum records on the wall around me too. You know,
I'm just throwing all this out, Hollins, because you played

(01:47:23):
in the NBA, So I feel like, you know, imposter
syndrome right now hanging out with somebody that played successfully
in the NBA for a long time. You know, you
might have played for every team in the league, but
you played in the NBA. That's all I'm saying, Hollins.
I think played for maybe what like eighty eighty eight
percent of the league. It feels like you played for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
Wow, oh wow, you some somebody, you know, we show
you some props and somebody comes out with somebody comes
up firing, and somebody smelling themselves. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
No see, I'm jealous to you though, because I haven't
watched it yet, but I found out recently that you know,
obviously everybody's talked about Clipped, the show about the La Clippers,
and I just never really thought about it. And I'm
wildly jealous because you were in the show, right, Like,
so Ryan Hollins is not not you, but but Ryan
Hollins is in the show, right Yeah, yeah, No, it's

(01:48:16):
a real thing. It's it's a real, actual thing, dude. Like,
so two things in life that I can't imagine how
cool they are. Number one is actually being, you know,
represented in a TV show. Number two would be to
ever pull up a video game and be able to
play as a version of yourself. Like that is just
the fact that you've been in video games is just man,

(01:48:37):
My jealousy is real, like and you're still so nice, Like,
I don't know, man, it's so were you happy with
how you were cast in in Clipped?

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Yes? And no? Okay, So here's the thing. My college
teammate is playing me in Clipped, and I am Mike Faye.
Shout out, Mike Faye. We came in at the same
time the UCLA, so I couldn't be more privileged for
Mike to play me. Although I do have a major problem.

(01:49:08):
Here's my major problem as Mike plays me, he's not
playing me, He's just being Michael Fay and he's stepping
in as Ryan Hullins. And the reason is is because
Michael is wearing his earrings. Mike wears earrings. I don't
wear earrings I practice. Mike is wearing this long sleeve

(01:49:30):
shirt that's Mike's thing. Mike knows darn well I've never
worn a shirt at practice. So Michael, come on, man,
he's doing this imposter thing. Come on, Mike, We're better
than that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
Well, can I ask, like, and maybe this is a
stupid question, but did you get the chance to play
as you? Because like you, you're such an engaging, easy
to hang out with dude. I would think that like
doing a little work in front of the camera, something
you're used to doing anyway, So like, why not have
Ryan Hollins play Ryan Hollins?

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Yeah? But I mean I think in clip everyone was
so oddly cast it that it would it would be
you know, wouldn't be fair. I think you got to stay,
you know, consistent. I can't be the shining star and
actually be mean. Then everybody else is somewhe different, so
you know, they kind of they had to write it out.

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
I don't know, man, I feel like seeing Ryan Hollins
play Ryan Hollins would be pretty if you were playing
as yourself. Would you play it straight like by the
book or would you would you embellish it a little bit?

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
Would you?

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
Would you like, would you play it up a little bit?

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
I might make myself a little bit cooler, you know,
I might. I might. It might have been like, you know,
like Blake c pre and you know Holland's you know,
in the script, you know, like like hey, Hollinds is
supposed to set a screen and you know, I end
up popping back to the ball, you know, kind of

(01:50:54):
throwing some speaking lines.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
You know, well, I think you're just we're speaking lines.
Good lord.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
So obviously I don't want to gloss over the fact
that that show is based on a lot of controversy around,
you know, obviously that era of the Clippers and ownership.
When you when you watch it, does it does it
stand up? Does it make you uncomfortable? Like? How do
you feel?

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Well? I hadn't watched it. I'm waiting. I'm waiting to
binge it. But I was disappointed in one thing. So
the one clip that went viral if you hadn't seen it.
For clip from clip right is Doc Rivers is in
practice his Lawrence Fishburn and he's and he's throwing all
these shots at the guys and he's you know, you know, Matt,

(01:51:41):
that's why your wife left you. And Blake, that's why
you can't do this, and Chris, you're chasing the brall.
The man Doc would never talk to us like that.
Man Doc is a classy individual, so that that in
itself was it was a bit wrong. They didn't they
didn't have to do that, but I guess it's a
part of the show. It creates the uh so called excitement,

(01:52:01):
so you know, it gets you got to roll with it.
But know that that part right there wasn't accurate. That
did not happen.

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
Well, I think it's it's interesting because there was so
much conversation around the Lakers show that you know whether
or not that was respectful on the way they told
some of those stories. And I understand embellishment for the
sake of embellishment. I also think that you know, sports
of the original reality TV show, if you've got a
great story, it shouldn't need that level. Like there's other
ways you can tell it, so I can only imagine,

(01:52:30):
you know, you guys are thicker skinned as athletes than
many people. But it would really bother me if I
was Doc and I was looking at that portrayal, you know, saying, hey,
that doesn't represent who I am or how I represent
things at all. And especially considering that the crux of
the show is certainly not to trash Doc, it seems
like that's sort of an unnecessary collateral damage moment. So

(01:52:52):
I feel you on that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
It's got to be tough to watch something you lived.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
And I can't speak to that, but I do know
that even the years that like the Nashville TV show
was popular, I would sort of roll my eyes at
that because if you ever lived out in reality, you
understood why that was just a stupid soap opera. But
this is so you know, based on true events that
people take it more seriously. So I think that the

(01:53:16):
makers have to be a little more careful when they
make it to make sure it does represent things the
right way. If they are going to say it's based
on something that's true, you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Know, Yeah, And I get it. It's tough because they
got to make their money, and I think with clips
so far, no harm done, you know, no harm, no foul,
but no, it is tough. You know, I can imagine
somebody may have been upset over some of those things.
Somebody's gonna be upset and it's not not too too crazy,
but I get it. That's it, I guess the spiciest

(01:53:44):
thing that's happened on the show. But yeah, it brought
a little drama home. So we'll see how it ends
up playing out. But you know, I think with the
Lakers one, it was I think Jerry Wes, Yeah, Jerry Man,
the late great Jerry West. He was frustrated because they
just made him this, this this wild thingiac and it's like, okay, fine,

(01:54:05):
make me a little wild, but can you show some
good sides of me too? You know, it's like a
I can't remember. He was like a drunk on the floor.
It was something just wild and he's like, you know, like, hey,
you're going a little far, guys, come on, come on,
make it make me somewhat positive here.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
Yeah, and everybody else say, well, it's just TV, but
it's not because it informs opinions when people see us,
so certainly has to be difficult. Okay, you mentioned everybody
being upset when we come back, the soccer world is
upset about something that frankly, we've all heard every single
sports fan complain about it. We'll tell you about it
next and why it's a it's a problem the sports

(01:54:43):
can't seem to fix. That's coming up next. Fox Sports
Radio Sunday. Welcome back in and we're live from the
tire rack dot Com Studios. Fox Sports Radio Sunday. Ryan Hollands,
Jason fitz all Right, Holland's soccer. I know, maybe I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna claim you and I you

(01:55:04):
and I either one or soccer experts.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
But there was controversy in the world of soccer.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
As Denmark upset Germany gets a to nothing win and
var decisions in about two minutes help make that happen
in the Euros. It's created this controversy everybody yelling about var, which,
in case you don't know, is review in soccer, and Hollins,
I just yet again, it doesn't matter what the sport is.
What hit me when I saw this is we are

(01:55:33):
in a lose lose situation because if you go back
to one of the calls, particularly, it came down to
just right. It was like a hare. It was a
hare that it felt like a pinky toe sort of
moment was off sides and a goal gets called back,
and all of a sudden it changes the outcome of
the game. And realistically, look at those things they get
did they get it right?

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
But it creates controversy and I feel like that's where
we are in every single sport.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
If you get instant replay in an NBA game, then
all of a sudden we're talking about, well they ran
it back and replay an I don't know, is that
really the spirit of it? Should they even be calling
that foul in that moment? In the NFL, they start
slowing these things down, they look at it frame by
frame by frame. It's an impossible job for anybody to do.
And then they complain about it, well, how can you
call that right?

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Officials and replay and all of this has just gotten
so broken that if you don't do the replay, then
people think the officials are idiots. If the officials do
do the replaces and then they stick to the letter
of the law, then people say that's the wrong thing, Like,
what are we supposed to do at this point as fans,
as media when we cover this because I want accuracy,
but at what costs because it feels like nobody trusts

(01:56:38):
anything in the process anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:56:40):
Well, you got to keep working until you get it right.
And I don't think anybody expects it to be perfect,
but when it's right in front of your face, you
got to figure it out. So one of the big
dilemmas you're seeing in the NBA right is when there's
a challenge, right and you're saying, did the ball? Who

(01:57:02):
did the ball go out on? Right as you're seeing
who the ball went out on, you see a blatant foul,
You see a guy getting shoved into the sidelines or
getting pushed. You're going, yeah, it went out off of him,
but it went out because he got pushed. You know, obviously,
you know, how could you you know, how could you

(01:57:23):
not see that? And that's something that you know has
really you know, frustrated, you know, the fans. So that's
the part. And I have faith in the NBA that
they're gonna get it right. It's just you know, when
you evaluate and you change the rules and you make
these big adjustments, you know you can't come back and

(01:57:44):
just change it mid season, so it takes a little
time and be able to get it right. But you knows,
as the advancements move forward, you know, the game will
get better and better. And I fit's you got to
think that when we grew up watching sports, if a
ball went out of bounds or something happened, man, you
couldn't even tell that that it went out of bounds.
You couldn't. You didn't notice these things. You had no

(01:58:06):
idea that it not in standard definition, not in you know,
however we were you know, we were watching the game,
you couldn't see it. But now because things are viral,
you know, slow motion, all these things, you know, change
the way that we watch our sports.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
Well, it makes the job of an official virtually impossible,
right like, because if you are going to go to review,
then you get into this really, really difficult spot where
all of a sudden, it's the call versus the spirit
of the call, you know, and even the coach. And
here's the quote from the Denmark coaches. He said, I

(01:58:43):
have the photo of the off side here. It was
one centimeter. It doesn't make sense. That's not how we're
supposed to be using var Well, there's two ways you
could take that. Okay, it was one centimeter, My god,
are we really going to do that? Or it's one
centimeter and the call is the call. Like, you have
the information in front of you, you have to get
it right. And I think what's hard is that fans
pick and choose when they actually.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Care about a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
You see this in the NBA all the time, college
basketball too. The first thing somebody screams is well, you
can't call that there, and it's like, by god, yes
you can, because if all of a sudden an official
starts getting you know, interpretive, well I don't want to
make I didn't want to make that call because it was,
you know, not really a big situation. Or I did
want to make that call because it was the middle
of the game. Well it's the last three minutes. We're

(01:59:26):
not gonna call it. If you start letting an official
start thinking before he blows his whistle, I think that's
a terribly slippery slope. You have no idea where that ends.
But then if you've got the replay in front of
you and you're like, man, I don't know, that's so close,
it is not really offside. A centimeter is a centimeter.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
Now I'm looking at the picture.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
It's like, okay, you have a picture and it's a
centimeter off sides.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Well, that means these off sides, it's lose lose for officials.

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
And I don't want to get into a world where
officials start thinking they hesitate before they blow the whistle
because they're looking at it and saying, well, is this
really the spirit of it?

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
Just how you have professional athletes, those referees are professionals too,
so they're graded. There's a difference. Why you see the
veterans work in the NBA finals and again the great referees.
They know that their job is to get out of

(02:00:23):
the way, make the call, and make sure that the
athletes decide the games. So that's the difference. I think
what you're asking for an explaining of why some of
these referees are great and why some are not so good,
and that's what they get paid for. They are professionals too,
They are not robots. They have to use discretion in
different matters, which is.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
Why I want to see every sport start releasing those
grades and percentages so we can as a society learn
what a good percentage is and a bad percentage and
give referees benefit of the doubt. Thanks for hanging out
with us, We appreciate it. Stick with Fox Sports Radio
all day. He's Ryan Allins, I'm Jason Fitz. We appreciate
you giving us your time.

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